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Nuremgard wrote:I want your tax rate.

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Yukona wrote:?

Yours is 4.2% Mine is 90%. Every time I decrease taxes my poor's income falls. I want my tax rate to be as low as yours so I can keep up my government spending and keep increasing the poor's income.

Pretty soon my gov will be taking 100% of my people's income.

Nuremgard wrote:Yours is 4.2% Mine is 90%. Every time I decrease taxes my poor's income falls. I want my tax rate to be as low as yours so I can keep up my government spending and keep increasing the poor's income.

Pretty soon my gov will be taking 100% of my people's income.

Oh, you mean Yukona. Yeah, I managed to keep it very low from my old libertarian days (which I still am) and my economy kinda wavered around good for a little while, then the tourism and science started picking up and made sure to keep it below 25% optimistically and below 15% realistically. That way, I ensured my government was never taking more than a quarter of its people's income, it also meant that the government and the people didn't rely on one another too much to the point where huge drops in consumer confidence and wages could have drastic effects on the economy - so as my country grew and so did the money it was generating, I was then able to implement environment, transport and healthcare schemes that still kept the government in the green.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:Oh, you mean Yukona. Yeah, I managed to keep it very low from my old libertarian days (which I still am) and my economy kinda wavered around good for a little while, then the tourism and science started picking up and made sure to keep it below 25% optimistically and below 15% realistically. That way, I ensured my government was never taking more than a quarter of its people's income, it also meant that the government and the people didn't rely on one another too much to the point where huge drops in consumer confidence and wages could have drastic effects on the economy - so as my country grew and so did the money it was generating, I was then able to implement environment, transport and healthcare schemes that still kept the government in the green.

I kept implementing free services so my taxes just kept going up and up. Plus, I saw how rich it was making my poor citizens so I didn't want to stop. I hate how high my taxes are now.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:He said all taxation was theft and rape. He said tax should be voluntary. He said nobody deserves any services from the government. You must pay for everything yourself. If you cant afford it, tough sh!t. That was his position.

I will make an FB about my ideas in the future. We could discuss it..

Nuremgard wrote:I admit I can be a c*nt. I do insult people and lose my rag a lot. One of my many flaws. I try to do better in debates but I just get so worked up all the time!

:D

It's all about reminding yourself, to me...well...that and the fact that I can curse with all the colours of the rainbow thereafter.

You gotta remember that

1) This ChuckleFvck isn't worth expressing true energy

2) He'll spew crap, so just say what you gotta and GTFO

3) Stupidity is like radioactivity, it's got a half-life you can hopefully out-endure, so don't expose yourself to it ;p

4) Remember, some people are just ignorant about the subject matter and have a faith they gotta defend. Forgive 'em it.

Nuremgard

Cesorion wrote:I will make an FB about my ideas in the future. We could discuss it..

Sure. Here or telegrams is fine. I'd suggest the latter since debates clog up the RMB.

Kalaron wrote::D

It's all about reminding yourself, to me...well...that and the fact that I can curse with all the colours of the rainbow thereafter.

You gotta remember that

1) This ChuckleFvck isn't worth expressing true energy

2) He'll spew crap, so just say what you gotta and GTFO

3) Stupidity is like radioactivity, it's got a half-life you can hopefully out-endure, so don't expose yourself to it ;p

4) Remember, some people are just ignorant about the subject matter and have a faith they gotta defend. Forgive 'em it.

And then you have people like Yukono who are infuriatingly reasonable and calm when they debate. Wish that was me. Think I need some of the ganja you smoke, Yukona

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:I kept implementing free services so my taxes just kept going up and up. Plus, I saw how rich it was making my poor citizens so I didn't want to stop. I hate how high my taxes are now.

Ain't it a good thing to have it so that everybody has all their needs fulfilled and then some, but at the cost of avoiding the corruption that comes with money?

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Sure. Here or telegrams is fine. I'd suggest the latter since debates clog up the RMB.

Very well..

Oh, and for what you said earlier, I believe in low taxes and flat taxes..

Nuremgard wrote:I kept implementing free services so my taxes just kept going up and up. Plus, I saw how rich it was making my poor citizens so I didn't want to stop. I hate how high my taxes are now.

Yeah, you see I went privatise everything first - which I would imagine you'd balk at right away :^)

Nuremgard wrote:And then you have people like Yukono who are infuriatingly reasonable and calm when they debate. Wish that was me. Think I need some of the ganja you smoke, Yukona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqTnuNsruCA

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Ain't it a good thing to have it so that everybody has all their needs fulfilled and then some, but at the cost of avoiding the corruption that comes with money?

My country is one of the least corrupt. I'm very proud of it.

Cesorion wrote:Very well..

Oh, and for what you said earlier, I believe in low taxes and flat taxes..

I believe in low or no taxes for the poor but a progressive tax system. The more you earn, the more you pay. And I also believe in taxing wealth like massive inheritances, land tax, corporation tax etc.

Nuremgard wrote:My country is one of the least corrupt. I'm very proud of it.

I believe in low or no taxes for the poor but a progressive tax system. The more you earn, the more you pay. And I also believe in taxing wealth like massive inheritances, land tax, corporation tax etc.

I feel like you should look into the Laffer Curve and marginal propensity to pay tax.

Yukona wrote:Yeah, you see I went privatise everything first - which I would imagine you'd balk at right away :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqTnuNsruCA

Sometimes you need to rip off the plaster in order for the wound to get better. My economy was always a mix of private and state owned companies.

Kalaron wrote::D

It's all about reminding yourself, to me...well...that and the fact that I can curse with all the colours of the rainbow thereafter.

You gotta remember that

1) This ChuckleFvck isn't worth expressing true energy

2) He'll spew crap, so just say what you gotta and GTFO

3) Stupidity is like radioactivity, it's got a half-life you can hopefully out-endure, so don't expose yourself to it ;p

4) Remember, some people are just ignorant about the subject matter and have a faith they gotta defend. Forgive 'em it.

And which one am I?

Nuremgard wrote:My country is one of the least corrupt. I'm very proud of it.

I believe in low or no taxes for the poor but a progressive tax system. The more you earn, the more you pay. And I also believe in taxing wealth like massive inheritances, land tax, corporation tax etc.

https://youtu.be/dGnFcmHH7t4

Check out. It sums me up

Yukona wrote:I feel like you should look into the Laffer Curve and marginal propensity to pay tax.

I am sure I read somewhere that the Laffer Curve is bollocks. If high taxes drove away the rich and business, the Scandi countries would be skint.

Current tax rates are fine. It's not even a case of increasing taxes on the rich, it's collecting what is owed right now.

Cesorion wrote:https://youtu.be/dGnFcmHH7t4

Check out. It sums me up

I don't like the idea of a flat tax. The idea of a cleaner and a CEO paying the same rate of tax is anathema to me.

Nuremgard wrote:I am sure I read somewhere that the Laffer Curve is bollocks. If high taxes drove away the rich and business, the Scandi countries would be skint.

Current tax rates are fine. It's not even a case of increasing taxes on the rich, it's collecting what is owed right now.

It's a theory, but it certainly is relevant in some cases - look at the Gaelic Tiger in Ireland.

Nuremgard wrote:I don't like the idea of a flat tax. The idea of a cleaner and a CEO paying the same rate of tax is anathema to me.

If the cleaner earns less than 50,000, they pay no tax....

And the thing is that the state provides the same for both. So they pay the same

Sulania wrote:And which one am I?

5) Love thy perfect boyfriend :D

Yukona wrote:It's a theory, but it certainly is relevant in some cases - look at the Gaelic Tiger in Ireland.

Speaking of Ireland, their government is in the bizarre position of defending Amazon and Starbucks evasion of tax because the EU is demanding they pay up. A government that doesn't want money? Never heard of such a thing.

Cesorion wrote:If the cleaner earns less than 50,000, they pay no tax....

And the thing is that the state provides the same for both. So they pay the same

As a leftist, I simply believe that the more you earn, the more you should contribute.

Nuremgard wrote:Speaking of Ireland, their government is in the bizarre position of defending Amazon and Starbucks evasion of tax because the EU is demanding they pay up. A government that doesn't want money? Never heard of such a thing.

As a leftist, I simply believe that the more you earn, the more you should contribute.

Exactly. Because the reason they had an economic boom when everyone else failed is that they slashed corporate tax rates and became basically a colder Bahamas. By that, I mean, is why they won't try and claim that tax and why they let Google and Facebook have their European headquarters in their country - they speak English, are near France and the UK and more importantly they have a low rate for expenses. That way, they get to cream off what little percentage they do claim (which is still a huge amount of money in real terms). If they raised the tax rate, they wouldn't gain more money, corporations would leave.

Cesorion

Yukona wrote:Exactly. Because the reason they had an economic boom when everyone else failed is that they slashed corporate tax rates and became basically a colder Bahamas. By that, I mean, is why they won't try and claim that tax and why they let Google and Facebook have their European headquarters in their country - they speak English, are near France and the UK and more importantly they have a low rate for expenses. That way, they get to cream off what little percentage they do claim (which is still a huge amount of money in real terms). If they raised the tax rate, they wouldn't gain more money, corporations would leave.

Sounds kinda like my philosophy....

Yukona wrote:Exactly. Because the reason they had an economic boom when everyone else failed is that they slashed corporate tax rates and became basically a colder Bahamas. By that, I mean, is why they won't try and claim that tax and why they let Google and Facebook have their European headquarters in their country - they speak English, are near France and the UK and more importantly they have a low rate for expenses. That way, they get to cream off what little percentage they do claim (which is still a huge amount of money in real terms). If they raised the tax rate, they wouldn't gain more money, corporations would leave.

They also had low wages but when wages began to increase, Ireland became less competitive and thus less attractive to foreign investment.

Basically, if a country wants a lot of foreign investment and companies to come and provide jobs, it needs to prostitute itself on the cheap and skimp over on things like workers' wages, rights etc.

That is a harsh trade off.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I did not run him out. He chose to leave. That's his prerogative. He clearly didn't feel very secure in his position since he left. If he did, he'd have stayed and defended his opinions.

Wasn't he the one that indicated yesterday that he was thinking of leaving for a bit, anyways? I don't think you ran him out, either.

Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Wasn't he the one that indicated yesterday that he was thinking of leaving for a bit, anyways? I don't think you ran him out, either.

That's the one.

Yukona wrote:Oh, you mean Yukona. Yeah, I managed to keep it very low from my old libertarian days (which I still am) and my economy kinda wavered around good for a little while, then the tourism and science started picking up and made sure to keep it below 25% optimistically and below 15% realistically. That way, I ensured my government was never taking more than a quarter of its people's income, it also meant that the government and the people didn't rely on one another too much to the point where huge drops in consumer confidence and wages could have drastic effects on the economy - so as my country grew and so did the money it was generating, I was then able to implement environment, transport and healthcare schemes that still kept the government in the green.

Cesorion wrote:Sounds kinda like my philosophy....

I just read this and found it really interesting. It seems I always fundamentally misunderstood the Nordic model.

https://taxfoundation.org/how-scandinavian-countries-pay-their-government-spending/

The income and payroll taxes in these nations are high but flat. Their corporate taxes are relatively low (with the exception of Norway due to its oil) and they have high VAT rates.

The excellent public services obviously require a lot of tax to pay for them. I did not know their corporate taxes were as competitive as they are though. The high income tax (across the board for everyone) and high VAT does put me off slightly. But I suppose they are necessary to pay for the public spending.

It made me think. Since Norway has a high corporate tax due to the oil, I wonder if an independent Scotland could also have a high corporate tax with a state-owned oil company like Norway.

Yukona

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hey :)

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Yukona, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:hey :)

Well oh Hey Derr my friend! How are you?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Guys, is this that issue that destroys your economy? Help! Which do I choose?

[spoiler]Over the years, the government’s tax code has become a headache-inducing tangle. Recently a prominent tax official was crushed to death under the weight of a complete copy of the tax code falling on his head. With taxes more complex than ever, an unlikely alliance of taxpayers, businesses, and government officials are demanding something be done to fix the situation.

The Debate

“We’ve got to put a stop to this before more lives are lost, like mine!” says Björk Urquhart, the new head of the Norsk Revenue Agency, indicating the search and rescue crew armed with paper shredders. “We need to abandon the current tax code and start anew. It’s drastic, I know, and will mean chaos in the bureaucracy, while spending may briefly need to be curtailed as revenues dip, but there’s no other way to fix this shambles!”

Accept

“It’s true that something has got to be done about the tax code, but it doesn’t need to be anything so drastic,” proclaims Gary Claus, spokesperson of the Alliance of Norsk Businesses and Industry. “The real problem lies with the tangled mess that is the corporate tax regime. Allow us to write a competitive tax system for Norsk industry, and you’ll stem the job losses from businesses flocking offshore to escape this bureaucratic nightmare.”

Accept

“If anything is bloated about the taxes, it’s that corporate welfare!” rages Lucy Jordan, a concerned and rather irate citizen. “If you ask me, the government needs to eliminate all those generous tax breaks for businesses! Then we can cut some of those ridiculous taxes that hit the average guy, for once benefiting the people, not industry bigwigs!”

Accept

“Our tax code is complicated?” queries your personal tax accountant Tabitha Reagan, popping in from her office just next door. “If you’re struggling to fill in your FX505s, and can’t tell your NOQ112b from your NOQ112c, then that’s what we’re here for! In fact, if your government could just give a generous tax break to those of my profession - and made that cumulative with our unremitted personal G6 allowance, of course - then we’d be able to offer our services to even more people!”

Accept

“Er, hi there, sir,” pipes up Alexander Wynne, clad in a high-vis jacket and clutching a clipboard. “None of these fine people have got to the root of your problem. If civil servants were just to wear hard hats while working, then falling paperwork wouldn’t be an issue. And perhaps a course on manual handling wouldn’t go amiss too?”

Accept[/spoiler]

Nuremgard wrote:snop[/spoiler]

As with many things in life, if you ignore it - it never happened

United Continental States

Yukona wrote:As with many things in life, if you ignore it - it never happened

But I am so tempted to abolish the tax code. Does it destroy your industries, employment, government spending? Etc.

I go shopping for one afternoon and 127 RMBs are posted here. This region is alive! Love it

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Cesorion, United Continental States

Nuremgard wrote:But I am so tempted to abolish the tax code. Does it destroy your industries, employment, government spending? Etc.

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Moldegaard wrote:I go shopping for one afternoon and 127 RMBs are posted here. This region is alive! Love it

The newsfeed has 589+ views!! It's alive!!!!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Moldegaard

Nuremgard wrote:Guys, is this that issue that destroys your economy? Help! Which do I choose?

[spoiler]Over the years, the government’s tax code has become a headache-inducing tangle. Recently a prominent tax official was crushed to death under the weight of a complete copy of the tax code falling on his head. With taxes more complex than ever, an unlikely alliance of taxpayers, businesses, and government officials are demanding something be done to fix the situation.

The Debate

“We’ve got to put a stop to this before more lives are lost, like mine!” says Björk Urquhart, the new head of the Norsk Revenue Agency, indicating the search and rescue crew armed with paper shredders. “We need to abandon the current tax code and start anew. It’s drastic, I know, and will mean chaos in the bureaucracy, while spending may briefly need to be curtailed as revenues dip, but there’s no other way to fix this shambles!”

Accept

“It’s true that something has got to be done about the tax code, but it doesn’t need to be anything so drastic,” proclaims Gary Claus, spokesperson of the Alliance of Norsk Businesses and Industry. “The real problem lies with the tangled mess that is the corporate tax regime. Allow us to write a competitive tax system for Norsk industry, and you’ll stem the job losses from businesses flocking offshore to escape this bureaucratic nightmare.”

Accept

“If anything is bloated about the taxes, it’s that corporate welfare!” rages Lucy Jordan, a concerned and rather irate citizen. “If you ask me, the government needs to eliminate all those generous tax breaks for businesses! Then we can cut some of those ridiculous taxes that hit the average guy, for once benefiting the people, not industry bigwigs!”

Accept

“Our tax code is complicated?” queries your personal tax accountant Tabitha Reagan, popping in from her office just next door. “If you’re struggling to fill in your FX505s, and can’t tell your NOQ112b from your NOQ112c, then that’s what we’re here for! In fact, if your government could just give a generous tax break to those of my profession - and made that cumulative with our unremitted personal G6 allowance, of course - then we’d be able to offer our services to even more people!”

Accept

“Er, hi there, sir,” pipes up Alexander Wynne, clad in a high-vis jacket and clutching a clipboard. “None of these fine people have got to the root of your problem. If civil servants were just to wear hard hats while working, then falling paperwork wouldn’t be an issue. And perhaps a course on manual handling wouldn’t go amiss too?”

Accept[/spoiler]

Nuremgard wrote:But I am so tempted to abolish the tax code. Does it destroy your industries, employment, government spending? Etc.

https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues

We are blessed to have a site dedicated to making sure we do not accidentally f**k up our nations by choosing the wrong solution to issues. Go here my friend if you are willing and don't let your nation become a dump! <3

Jaslandia, Percyton

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues

We are blessed to have a site dedicated to making sure we do not accidentally f**k up our nations by choosing the wrong solution to issues. Go here my friend if you are willing and don't let your nation become a dump! <3

I want to select the choice which gives tax breaks to corporations but doesn't abolish the tax code. I don't know!

Jaslandia

I dismissed the issue. I was too scared to pick a choice lol

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Cesorion, Moldegaard

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues

We are blessed to have a site dedicated to making sure we do not accidentally f**k up our nations by choosing the wrong solution to issues. Go here my friend if you are willing and don't let your nation become a dump! <3

But don't trust is completely. The stated outcomes are sometimes nation-specific. Even though it says a certain option will increase, say, civil rights, if your civil rights are already very high sometimes the option will even lower your civil rights.

But most often, it'll just not effect those stats. It's mostly reliable, but I've been surprised a handful of times when I get the stats feedback from an option I chose because of what nsindex told me the outcomes would be.

Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:But don't trust is completely. The stated outcomes are sometimes nation-specific. Even though it says a certain option will increase, say, civil rights, if your civil rights are already very high sometimes the option will even lower your civil rights.

But most often, it'll just not effect those stats. It's mostly reliable, but I've been surprised a handful of times when I get the stats feedback from an option I chose because of what nsindex told me the outcomes would be.

I might try out different outcomes in my puppet nations.

Jaslandia, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:hey :)

Missed you!

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Yukona, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:hey :)

Hello Vid! It's been a while. How are you?

Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Uh, depends. You would have to make it first so that I could see what it's like. If you're going to basically make a sock for corporations to wank in like Clinton wanted, then I will get shítty because I'm sick of people like her claiming to be for the people when they're so far up the ass of anti-democratic institutions that they are tasting the tears of children in sweatshops.

Otherwise, you must have me confused with yourself. The notion, as I'm sure you know by now as I've explained about it at length, that Marxists and Revisionists (+everyone else) should not get along is frankly alien and ridiculous to me. In fact, I'm a Marxist in every way except for advocating for an intermediate dictatorship between liberalism and communism.

I'm only against supporting ideologies that aren't socially leftist, even if they're economically leftist. As for corporations, f*** em.

Andromitus wrote:Well oh Hey Derr my friend! How are you?

Tserra wrote:Missed you!

Jaslandia wrote:Hello Vid! It's been a while. How are you?

Ive been good!

I spent two weeks in Canada.

Three weeks in Europe (hungary included ;)

now i think ive done enough for my creative writing do last a long time :)

How are you all?!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:Ive been good!

I spent two weeks in Canada.

Three weeks in Europe (hungary included ;)

now i think ive done enough for my creative writing do last a long time :)

How are you all?!

Glad to hear you had a good time, I've written a few more vehicles into being and I plan to do some more. I'm finishing up a stealth helicopter and will begin making a UCAV and a Hyper-Sonic ICBM.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote:hey :)

Vid! Welcome back! Great to see you again!

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Toot toot :)

*whistles* Peep peep!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote:Ive been good!

I spent two weeks in Canada.

Three weeks in Europe (hungary included ;)

now i think ive done enough for my creative writing do last a long time :)

How are you all?!

I've been pretty good; Spent three weeks studying abroad in Bonaire (Diving and Marine Ecology) and thereafter specified my Ideology, Economic system, form of government, etc. etc. Although I must say that things have been fairly quiet in Europe ever since the Hungarian government collapsed ;)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Percyton

Proportional Representation within the DPLRK is hereby eradicated and abolished:

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32383208#p32383208

Kalaron wrote:Glad to hear you had a good time, I've written a few more vehicles into being and I plan to do some more. I'm finishing up a stealth helicopter and will begin making a UCAV and a Hyper-Sonic ICBM.

Im always envious! Thats something Im awful at and youre by far the best ive seen in all my experience on ns. thats awesome!

Percyton wrote:Vid! Welcome back! Great to see you again!

*whistles* Peep peep!

Its the best to see you! We have to do the RP we planned soon!

Andromitus wrote:I've been pretty good; Spent three weeks studying abroad in Bonaire (Diving and Marine Ecology) and thereafter specified my Ideology, Economic system, form of government, etc. etc. Although I must say that things have been fairly quiet in Europe ever since the Hungarian government collapsed ;)

well.. if ya need someone to wake it up... :) :) :)

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:Im always envious! Thats something Im awful at and youre by far the best ive seen in all my experience on ns. thats awesome!

Its the best to see you! We have to do the RP we planned soon!

well.. if ya need someone to wake it up... :) :) :)

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Thank you for the kind words, I try :P

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

I regulate and tax drugs, as well as provide information on what they could do to your body if you take them, and drug uses drops by 41%. And I also got a nice boost of funding to my public services. :P

Want to say sorry again. i'm still here! But this Month has been crazy. I'll try to get around to things when I can actually set down and do stuff, rather than check in. STICK WITH ME, i'm trying to juggle a lot right now.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:I regulate and tax drugs, as well as provide information on what they could do to your body if you take them, and drug uses drops by 41%. And I also got a nice boost of funding to my public services. :P

Nothing makes something uncool faster then Nanny telling us it's cool to do it.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, United Continental States

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Nothing makes something uncool faster then Nanny telling us it's cool to do it.

Nuremgard has a liberal nature. If people want to take drugs, that's up to them. But it gets taxed and regulated the same as alcohol.

The Vidnoye wrote:well.. if ya need someone to wake it up... :) :) :)

Hon hon hon hon hon

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, United Continental States

The Vidnoye wrote:Its the best to see you! We have to do the RP we planned soon!

I remember that! We should definitely try to set that up!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Nuremgard has a liberal nature. If people want to take drugs, that's up to them. But it gets taxed and regulated the same as alcohol.

✊️💦

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton, United Continental States

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313398512492609548/349755243262771240/Untitled.jpg

Kal has made polan bail for Andu.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Nuremgard has a liberal nature. If people want to take drugs, that's up to them. But it gets taxed and regulated the same as alcohol.

Gross. Tax is rape!

Here, the only way to get drugs is through government owned storefronts. No private company and no personal sellers allowed.

Which means zero taxes (I mean, we're already making a profit by selling it in the first place instead of dispensing it or allowing private companies to exist, sooooo) and more of that sweet juicy government revenue.

Nuremgard

Kalaron wrote:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313398512492609548/349755243262771240/Untitled.jpg

Kal has made polan bail for Andu.

Not sure what a BNSF Railway diesel numbered 8947 has to do with Andy and/or Kal. Still, at least he looks like a Really Useful Engine, even if he is a diesel --

Paxton: Hey!

Percy: And an American one at that.

Hank: Hey!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Not sure what a BNSF Railway diesel numbered 8947 has to do with Andy and/or Kal. Still, at least he looks like a Really Useful Engine, even if he is a diesel --

Paxton: Hey!

Percy: And an American one at that.

Hank: Hey!

I can understand the diesel comment, but what do you have against Americans? Probably about half the audience of your TV show is American!

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I can understand the diesel comment, but what do you have against Americans? Probably about half the audience of your TV show is American!

I have nothing against Americans per se, and Percyton has quite a few American engines (like Hank and Porter) who are Really Useful. However, not only are us Brits practically born with a skepticism of Americans, but a lot of the engines on Sodor complain that the TV show has become too 'Americanized'.

Gordon: Too right! For an example, look no further than that godawful Thomas and the Magic Railroad movie. Besides the fact that the plot was weird and confusing, the movie took screen time away from us engines to give it to the people from the American show Shining Time Station (which was the vehicle used to present our TV show to American audiences in the 80s and 90s). They also gave the American narrator Alec Baldwin a starring role, while completely cutting his British counterpart Michael Angelis (who was originally cast to voice James and Percy in the movie). It's even in the title, for Awdry's sake: They used the American term 'railroad' instead of the British term 'railway'!

Percy: Personally, I kinda liked Magic Railroad. Yes, I wish we had more of a role in it, but I find its weirdness to be kinda fun and charming. Besides, I never really liked Angelis' voice for me: I think he made me sound too shouty.

Gordon: Fair point, but it's the principle of the thing! You can't leave out the narrator of the original version of Thomas! It's a slap in the face to the show's British origins!

Henry: Don't get your undercarriage in a twist, Gordon. The show's gone global, and it's been global ever since it first aired in the U.S. in '89. If it weren't for expansion to America, we wouldn't have expanded to the rest of the world, and we wouldn't be raking it the kind of royalty and licensing money that pays for your gold figurine of yourself!

Gordon: Well excuse me for wanting to commemorate my unique A0 design and construction!

Henry: You can bask in your A0 pride as much as you want, just remember who pays for that basking!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/KAH-223

Oh thank god the helicopter is done-ish.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Yukona, United Continental States

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Gross. Tax is rape!

Here, the only way to get drugs is through government owned storefronts. No private company and no personal sellers allowed.

Which means zero taxes (I mean, we're already making a profit by selling it in the first place instead of dispensing it or allowing private companies to exist, sooooo) and more of that sweet juicy government revenue.

Much of our revenue from drugs goes to healthcare.

Nuremgard wrote:Much of our revenue from drugs goes to healthcare.

Healthcare and Rehab centers my friend :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:http://iiwiki.com/wiki/KAH-223

Oh thank god the helicopter is done-ish.

very noice

Andromitus

[B]A small update from the Internal Affairs Ministry regarding citizenship and population[/B]

In terms of population, the Confederacy has been in decline for sometime. I will attach a graph from NSHistory, a third party website that monitors NS activity for nations and regions. With a peak of 170 nations back in March early this year, we have decreased in population to today of 118. The current administration beginning with a regional population of around 132 at the time of the beginning days.

Referenced Graph: http://nsdossier.texasregion.net//history.aspx?region=The+Confederacy+of+Free+Nations&type=Exact&group=region&start=&end=

In terms of citizenship, the recent citizenship roster update has seen our citizenship decrease by 6 members, primarily to CTEing, while a small number are nations that no longer reside in the Confederacy. As well, two nations have their citizenship suspended, bringing the number of active citizens down to 52, and even smaller for those who no longer reside within the region.

Anyone who wishes to see the citizenship roster may do so here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=841414

I will be working with the rest of the government to rectify this population crisis, as well will ask the Chancellor to issue a state of emergency in regards to population decline to hasten our recruitment efforts.

Thank you,

[nation=short]Sulania[/nation], Minister of Internal Affairs

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Cesorion

While I know that all of ^^^^ that is really dire and a bad situation overall, I'm finding it hard to be afraid because I'm too excited over that awesome factbook URL

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Cesorion, United Continental States

That isn't a population crisis, it's a recruitment crisis. All regions have a turnover, and in order to survive they need to have enough nations coming in to replace those of us who CTE. Obviously that's not happening and I'd like to petition the government to reveal what exactly they're doing to aid in our recruitment.

Jaslandia, Talkative Friedensriech, Yukona, Cesorion, United Continental States, South Hyder

I like the new factbook link feature thingy :)

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Cesorion, United Continental States

Sulania wrote:[spoiler=[B]A small update from the Internal Affairs Ministry regarding citizenship and population[/B]]

In terms of population, the Confederacy has been in decline for sometime. I will attach a graph from NSHistory, a third party website that monitors NS activity for nations and regions. With a peak of 170 nations back in March early this year, we have decreased in population to today of 118. The current administration beginning with a regional population of around 132 at the time of the beginning days.

Referenced Graph: http://nsdossier.texasregion.net//history.aspx?region=The+Confederacy+of+Free+Nations&type=Exact&group=region&start=&end=

In terms of citizenship, the recent citizenship roster update has seen our citizenship decrease by 6 members, primarily to CTEing, while a small number are nations that no longer reside in the Confederacy. As well, two nations have their citizenship suspended, bringing the number of active citizens down to 52, and even smaller for those who no longer reside within the region.

Anyone who wishes to see the citizenship roster may do so here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=841414

I will be working with the rest of the government to rectify this population crisis, as well will ask the Chancellor to issue a state of emergency in regards to population decline to hasten our recruitment efforts.

Thank you,

[nation=short]Sulania[/nation], Minister of Internal Affairs[/spoiler]

You might want to take another gander at the roster because Fantrum left the region a while ago and is still on it as a citizen.

Yukona

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:You might want to take another gander at the roster because Fantrum left the region a while ago and is still on it as a citizen.

As it stands, I have not removed citizenship of nations who have left the region. There are a number of nations on the roster who still have citizenship, but no longer reside. I have done this so that they can come back at their leisure, and, as in real life, citizenship is not typically revoked due to a lack of residence.

That is why I specified here "and even smaller for those who no longer reside within the region" as if you adjust for non-residential citizens, the citizenship population that actively participates is lower than 54.

Jaslandia, Cesorion

[spoiler=Today is August 23 and today are:]

Today is August 23 and today are:

- Battle of Kursk Day (Russia)

- Day of the National Flag (Ukraine)

- European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism or Black Ribbon Day (European Union)

- General Election Day (Angola)

- International Day for the Remembrance of the Slave Trade and its Abolition

- Liberation from Fascist Occupation Day (Romania)

- National Day for Physicians (Iran)

- National Ride The Wind Day (United States)

- National Sponge Cake Day (United States)

- Umhlanga Day (Swaziland)

- Valentino Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 30 BC – After the successful invasion of Egypt, Octavian executes Marcus Antonius Antyllus, eldest son of Mark Antony, and Caesarion, the last king of the Ptolemaic dynasty of Egypt and only child of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra.

- 20 BC – Ludi Volcanalici are held within the temple precinct of Vulcan, and used by Augustus to mark the treaty with Parthia and the return of the legionary standards that had been lost at the Battle of Carrhae in 53 BC.

- AD 79 – Mount Vesuvius begins stirring, on the feast day of Vulcan, the Roman god of fire.

- 406 – Gothic king Radagaisus is executed after he is defeated by Roman general Stilicho and 12,000 "barbarians" are incorporated into the Roman army or sold as slaves.

- 476 – Odoacer, chieftain of the Germanic tribes (Herulic - Scirian foederati), is proclaimed rex Italiae ("King of Italy") by his troops.

- 634 – Abu Bakr dies at Medina and is succeeded by Umar I who becomes the second caliph of the Rashidun Caliphate.

- 1244 – Siege of Jerusalem: The city's citadel, the Tower of David, surrenders to Khwarezmian Empire.

- 1268 – Battle of Tagliacozzo: The army of Charles of Anjou defeats the Ghibellines supporters of Conradin of Hohenstaufen marking the fall of the Hohenstaufen family from the Imperial and Sicilian thrones, and leading to the new chapter of Angevin domination in Southern Italy.

- 1305 – Sir William Wallace is executed for high treason at Smithfield, London.

- 1328 – Battle of Cassel: French troops stop an uprising of Flemish farmers.

- 1382 – Siege of Moscow: The Golden Horde led by Tokhtamysh lays siege to the capital of the Grand Duchy of Moscow.

- 1514 – The Battle of Chaldiran ends with a decisive victory for the Sultan Selim I, Ottoman Empire, over the Shah Ismail I, founder of the Safavid dynasty.

- 1521 – Christian II of Denmark is deposed as king of Sweden and Gustav Vasa is elected regent.

- 1541 – French explorer Jacques Cartier lands near Quebec City in his third voyage to Canada.

- 1566 - Beeldenstorm reaches Amsterdam.

- 1572 – French Wars of Religion: Mob violence against thousands of Huguenots in Paris results in the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre.

- 1595 – Long Turkish War: Wallachian prince Michael the Brave confronts the Ottoman army in the Battle of Călugăreni and achieves a tactical victory.

- 1600 – Battle of Gifu Castle: The eastern forces of Tokugawa Ieyasu defeat the western Japanese clans loyal to Toyotomi Hideyori, leading to the destruction of Gifu Castle and serving as a prelude to the Battle of Sekigahara.

- 1614 – Fettmilch Uprising: Jews are expelled from Frankfurt, Holy Roman Empire, following the plundering of the Judengasse.

- 1628 – George Villiers, the first Duke of Buckingham, is assassinated by John Felton.

- 1650 – Colonel George Monck of the English Army forms Monck's Regiment of Foot, which will later become the Coldstream Guards.

- 1655 – Battle of Sobota: The Swedish Empire led by Charles X Gustav defeats the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

- 1703 – Edirne event: Sultan Mustafa II of the Ottoman Empire is dethroned.

- 1775 – American Revolutionary War: King George III delivers his Proclamation of Rebellion to the Court of St James's stating that the American colonies have proceeded to a state of open and avowed rebellion.

- 1784 – Western North Carolina (now eastern Tennessee) declares itself an independent state under the name of Franklin; it is not accepted into the United States, and only lasts for four years.

- 1799 – Napoleon I of France leaves Egypt for France en route to seizing power.

- 1813 – At the Battle of Großbeeren, the Prussians under Von Bülow repulse the French army.

- 1831 – Nat Turner's slave rebellion is suppressed.

- 1839 – The United Kingdom captures Hong Kong as a base as it prepares for war with Qing China. The ensuing three-year conflict will later be known as the First Opium War.

- 1864 – The Union Navy captures Fort Morgan, Alabama, thus breaking Confederate dominance of all ports on the Gulf of Mexico except Galveston, Texas.

- 1866 – Austro-Prussian War ends with the Treaty of Prague.

- 1873 – Albert Bridge in Chelsea, London opens.

- 1898 – The Southern Cross Expedition, the first British venture of the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration, departs from London.

- 1904 – The automobile tire chain is patented.

- 1914 – World War I: Battle of Mons: The British Army begins withdrawal.

- 1921 – British airship R-38 experiences structural failure over Hull in England and crashes in the Humber estuary. Of her 49 British and American training crew, only four survive.

- 1923 – Captain Lowell Smith and Lieutenant John P. Richter performed the first mid-air refueling on De Havilland DH-4B, setting an endurance flight record of 37 hours.

- 1927 – Italian anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti are executed after a lengthy, controversial trial.

- 1929 – Hebron Massacre during the 1929 Palestine riots: Arab attack on the Jewish community in Hebron in the British Mandate of Palestine, continuing until the next day, resulted in the death of 65–68 Jews and the remaining Jews being forced to leave the city.

- 1939 – World War II: Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sign a non-aggression treaty, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. In a secret addition to the pact, the Baltic states, Finland, Romania, and Poland are divided between the two nations.

- 1942 – World War II: Beginning of the Battle of Stalingrad.

- 1943 – World War II: Kharkiv is liberated after the Battle of Kursk.

- 1944 – World War II: Marseille is liberated by the Allies.

- 1944 – World War II: King Michael of Romania dismisses the pro-Nazi government of Marshal Antonescu, who is arrested. Romania switches sides from the Axis to the Allies.

- 1944 – Freckleton Air Disaster: A United States Army Air Forces B-24 Liberator bomber crashes into a school in Freckleton, England, killing 61 people.

- 1945 – Soviet–Japanese War: The USSR State Defense Committee issues Decree no. 9898cc "About Receiving, Accommodation, and Labor Utilization of the Japanese Army Prisoners of War".

- 1946 – Ordinance No. 46 of the British Military Government constitutes the German Länder (states) of Hanover and Schleswig-Holstein.

- 1947 - 8th Venice Film Festival opens (first since the start of World War II).

- 1948 – World Council of Churches is formed by 147 churches from 44 countries.

- 1954 – First flight of the Lockheed C-130 multi-role aircraft.

- 1958 – Chinese Civil War: The Second Taiwan Strait Crisis begins with the People's Liberation Army's bombardment of Quemoy.

- 1962 - First Europe-US live TV program is broadcast via Telstar.

- 1966 – Lunar Orbiter 1 takes the first photograph of Earth from orbit around the Moon.

- 1970 – Organized by Mexican American labor union leader César Chávez, the Salad Bowl strike, the largest farm worker strike in U.S. history, begins.

- 1973 – A bank robbery gone wrong in Stockholm, Sweden, turns into a hostage crisis; over the next five days the hostages begin to sympathise with their captors, leading to the term "Stockholm syndrome".

- 1982 – Lebanese falangist leader Bechir Gemayel is elected as president.

- 1985 – Hans Tiedge, top counter-spy of West Germany, defects to East Germany.

- 1987 – The American male basketball team lost the gold medal to Brazilian team at the Pan American Games in Indianapolis, 120–115.

- 1989 – Singing Revolution: Two million people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania stand on the Vilnius–Tallinn road, holding hands.

- 1990 – Saddam Hussein appears on Iraqi state television with a number of Western "guests" (actually hostages) to try to prevent the Gulf War.

- 1990 – Armenia declares its independence from the Soviet Union.

- 1990 – West and East Germany announce that they will reunite on October 3.

- 1991 – The World Wide Web is opened to the public.

- 1994 – Eugene Bullard, the only black pilot in World War I, is posthumously commissioned as Second Lieutenant in the United States Air Force.

- 2000 – Gulf Air Flight 072 crashes into the Persian Gulf near Manama, Bahrain, killing 143.

- 2006 – Natascha Kampusch, who had been abducted at the age of ten, escapes from her captor Wolfgang Přiklopil, after eight years of captivity.

- 2007 – The skeletal remains of Russia's last royal family members Alexei Nikolaevich, Tsarevich of Russia, and his sister Grand Duchess Anastasia are discovered near Yekaterinburg, Russia.

- 2011 – A magnitude 5.8 (class: moderate) earthquake occurs in Virginia. Damage occurs to monuments and structures in Washington D.C. and the resulted damage is estimated at $200 million–$300 million USD.

- 2011 – Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is overthrown after the National Transitional Council forces take control of Bab al-Azizia compound during the Libyan Civil War.

- 2012 – A hot-air balloon crashes near the Slovenian capital of Ljubljana, killing six people and injuring 28 others.

- 2013 – A riot at the Palmasola prison complex in Santa Cruz, Bolivia kills 31 people.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1754 – Louis XVI of France

- 1769 – Georges Cuvier, French biologist and academic

- 1785 – Oliver Hazard Perry, American commander

- 1864 – Eleftherios Venizelos, Greek lawyer, jurist, and politician, 93rd Prime Minister of Greece

- 1912 – Gene Kelly, American actor, singer, and dancer

- 1924 – Ephraim Kishon, Israeli author, screenwriter, and director

- 1926 – Clifford Geertz, American anthropologist and academic

- 1946 – Keith Moon, English drummer, songwriter, and producer

- 1952 – Vicky Leandros, Greek singer

- 1961 – Alexandre Desplat, French composer and conductor

- 1970 – River Phoenix, American actor

- 1974 – Konstantin Novoselov, Russian-English physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1978 – Kobe Bryant, American basketball player and businessman

- 1988 – Jeremy Lin, American basketball player

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

I'd rather have roses on my table than diamonds on my neck.

- Emma Goldman -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Percyton, United Continental States

Unfallious wrote:That isn't a population crisis, it's a recruitment crisis. All regions have a turnover, and in order to survive they need to have enough nations coming in to replace those of us who CTE. Obviously that's not happening and I'd like to petition the government to reveal what exactly they're doing to aid in our recruitment.

^^^^^^^^^^

This seems to be a reoccuring issue because I'm not sure what efforts past (or the current) Vice Chancellor/President has made in terms of sending recruitment telegrams, etc. I would also be interested in a report from the incumbent with regards to this term's initiatives.

Jaslandia, Yukona, Cesorion, South Hyder

Continental Commonwealths wrote:^^^^^^^^^^

This seems to be a reoccuring issue because I'm not sure what efforts past (or the current) Vice Chancellor/President has made in terms of sending recruitment telegrams, etc. I would also be interested in a report from the incumbent with regards to this term's initiatives.

That would be good. By all officeholders actually

Jaslandia, Yukona, South Hyder

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Snip

So we do have an open recruitment telegram, the one drafted and used by Vista. Of which I've sent roughly 2000 TGs, it just doesn't seem as effective which is why I am going to reword it to see if we can make it, more, elusive. I even did some research regarding recruiting and it seems like a huge problem is that, in all honesty, fewer people are joining NS than ever before. It's not as if I am a bad recruiter, I got the population of Libertatem up to 150 from a low point of 50. In fact, my speciality is actually recruiting and it what I am known for. Yet the fact is, even Libertatem which had roughly 200 nations less than a year ago now has roughly 80 nations, and I know for a fact that they are also sending recruitment telegrams.

I agree with you on the point that the cabinet needs to meet to figure out what we're going to do because old recruitment tactics aren't working and we need to figure out a new way to get more people into our region. A tried method that got Libertatem 20 new active citizens while I was president was mergers that I organized, getting experienced NS users from other regions facing the same problem of population decrease into your region. The problem is that a merger program is not something that I can pursue myself, we need the MoFA and Chancellor in on it, as well as the MoI to figure out a citizenship program for mergers. I have tried to reach out to Baxten, but I'm kind of lost on the issue as I cannot proceed without his oversight.

The next problem that I see is a lack of active language in the recruitment telegram. The recruitment telegram in Libertatem I recall utilized more active language than passive language, which is why it always had a higher success rate. As someone who has managed recruitment for both regions, there was always a higher success rate with the template we used over there. It touched upon the region's dedication to ending communism which is very provocative and elusive to the right audience. The recruitment telegram for this region is more oriented around community and friendship, and while that is nice, it's not very exciting and it's easy for it to get lost among others telegrams. I wanted to take steps to see how we could make our telegram move elusive, but that was also pending the approval of the Chancellor.

My Deputy Vista and I have done the best we could, but we faced roadblocks as we couldn't independently pursue mergers (even though we found a region that showed interest in merging) without the proper approval and we didn't want to tamper with the telegram without the proper approval.

Jaslandia, Cesorion

Kalaron wrote:< 3

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Thank you for the kind words, I try :P

?? of course but its general knowledge soo, haha.

Percyton wrote:I remember that! We should definitely try to set that up!

Awesome I cant wait!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

South Hyder wrote:[spoiler=Huder's essay]So we do have an open recruitment telegram, the one drafted and used by Vista. Of which I've sent roughly 2000 TGs, it just doesn't seem as effective which is why I am going to reword it to see if we can make it, more, elusive. I even did some research regarding recruiting and it seems like a huge problem is that, in all honesty, fewer people are joining NS than ever before. It's not as if I am a bad recruiter, I got the population of Libertatem up to 150 from a low point of 50. In fact, my speciality is actually recruiting and it what I am known for. Yet the fact is, even Libertatem which had roughly 200 nations less than a year ago now has roughly 80 nations, and I know for a fact that they are also sending recruitment telegrams.

I agree with you on the point that the cabinet needs to meet to figure out what we're going to do because old recruitment tactics aren't working and we need to figure out a new way to get more people into our region. A tried method that got Libertatem 20 new active citizens while I was president was mergers that I organized, getting experienced NS users from other regions facing the same problem of population decrease into your region. The problem is that a merger program is not something that I can pursue myself, we need the MoFA and Chancellor in on it, as well as the MoI to figure out a citizenship program for mergers. I have tried to reach out to Baxten, but I'm kind of lost on the issue as I cannot proceed without his oversight.

The next problem that I see is a lack of active language in the recruitment telegram. The recruitment telegram in Libertatem I recall utilized more active language than passive language, which is why it always had a higher success rate. As someone who has managed recruitment for both regions, there was always a higher success rate with the template we used over there. It touched upon the region's dedication to ending communism which is very provocative and elusive to the right audience. The recruitment telegram for this region is more oriented around community and friendship, and while that is nice, it's not very exciting and it's easy for it to get lost among others telegrams. I wanted to take steps to see how we could make our telegram move elusive, but that was also pending the approval of the Chancellor.

My Deputy Vista and I have done the best we could, but we faced roadblocks as we couldn't independently pursue mergers (even though we found a region that showed interest in merging) without the proper approval and we didn't want to tamper with the telegram without the proper approval.[/spoiler]

What region??

Perhaps I can help.

South Hyder

Cesorion wrote:What region??

Perhaps I can help.

Central Pacific Empire

Cesorion, South Hyder

Cesorion wrote:What region??

Perhaps I can help.

Vista Major wrote:Central Pacific Empire

I have already had a puppet in that region with full citizenship and am quite well known among them, so once we figure out how to resolve our internal problems, I would be more than willing to work with both of you on the issue.

Vista Major

South Hyder wrote:I have already had a puppet in that region with full citizenship and am quite well known among them, so once we figure out how to resolve our internal problems, I would be more than willing to work with both of you on the issue.

Vista Major wrote:Central Pacific Empire

I will pay them a visit, as well

I do not mean leaving to relocate. I will just check the region and see who should we contact in the happy event.

Vista Major, Andromitus, South Hyder

Office of the Vice Chancellor

South Hyder

Baxten logged in to his nation roughly a day ago, but hasn't made an RMB post in 8 days or taken government activity since he made a post about his inactivity about two weeks ago. The Constitution of the Second Republic states that, "In the event that the Chancellor is absent for a period of more than 7 days" the VC will take over until his return. I believe this is saying in this instance that if he is absent from his role in government, which he has been, then this would occur. Upon his return he would get his position back, but I know a lot of people are concerned about the genuine crisis that we are facing and I think this is a step we can take to start working on it. We need an executive who can make decisions and help us now rather than later. Andromitus as the MoJ, Sulania as the MoIA, and Cesorion as the MoFA agree with this assessment and we are now making a formal plea to the Supreme Court to determine if this is a correct assessment of the situation. Baxten is a busy individual and we understand that, but this government needs to function and this is the way that will happen. His position will be waiting for him upon his permanent return.

Thank you all,

Hyder

UPDATE: A Supreme Court Justice has agreed with our assessment

Vista Major, Yukona, Cesorion

South Hyder wrote:Office of the Vice Chancellor

South Hyder

Baxten logged in to his nation roughly a day ago, but hasn't made an RMB post in 8 days or taken government activity since he made a post about his inactivity about two weeks ago. The Constitution of the Second Republic states that, "In the event that the Chancellor is absent for a period of more than 7 days" the VC will take over until his return. I believe this is saying in this instance that if he is absent from his role in government, which he has been, then this would occur. Upon his return he would get his position back, but I know a lot of people are concerned about the genuine crisis that we are facing and I think this is a step we can take to start working on it. We need an executive who can make decisions and help us now rather than later. Andromitus as the MoJ, Sulania as the MoIA, and Cesorion as the MoFA agree with this assessment and we are now making a formal plea to the Supreme Court to determine if this is a correct assessment of the situation. Baxten is a busy individual and we understand that, but this government needs to function and this is the way that will happen. His position will be waiting for him upon his permanent return.

Thank you all,

Hyder

UPDATE: A Supreme Court Justice has agreed with our assessment

Just one thing.

You should write, above "Office of the Vice Chancellor" the phrase "Demeter House", where the Vice-Chancellery is headquartered.

Vista Major

Cesorion wrote:Just one thing.

You should write, above "Office of the Vice Chancellor" the phrase "Demeter House", where the Vice-Chancellery is headquartered.

Ah, you're right, totally forgot about that.

Vista Major, Cesorion

South Hyder wrote:[spoiler=/snip]So we do have an open recruitment telegram, the one drafted and used by Vista. Of which I've sent roughly 2000 TGs, it just doesn't seem as effective which is why I am going to reword it to see if we can make it, more, elusive. I even did some research regarding recruiting and it seems like a huge problem is that, in all honesty, fewer people are joining NS than ever before. It's not as if I am a bad recruiter, I got the population of Libertatem up to 150 from a low point of 50. In fact, my speciality is actually recruiting and it what I am known for. Yet the fact is, even Libertatem which had roughly 200 nations less than a year ago now has roughly 80 nations, and I know for a fact that they are also sending recruitment telegrams.

I agree with you on the point that the cabinet needs to meet to figure out what we're going to do because old recruitment tactics aren't working and we need to figure out a new way to get more people into our region. A tried method that got Libertatem 20 new active citizens while I was president was mergers that I organized, getting experienced NS users from other regions facing the same problem of population decrease into your region. The problem is that a merger program is not something that I can pursue myself, we need the MoFA and Chancellor in on it, as well as the MoI to figure out a citizenship program for mergers. I have tried to reach out to Baxten, but I'm kind of lost on the issue as I cannot proceed without his oversight.

The next problem that I see is a lack of active language in the recruitment telegram. The recruitment telegram in Libertatem I recall utilized more active language than passive language, which is why it always had a higher success rate. As someone who has managed recruitment for both regions, there was always a higher success rate with the template we used over there. It touched upon the region's dedication to ending communism which is very provocative and elusive to the right audience. The recruitment telegram for this region is more oriented around community and friendship, and while that is nice, it's not very exciting and it's easy for it to get lost among others telegrams. I wanted to take steps to see how we could make our telegram move elusive, but that was also pending the approval of the Chancellor.

My Deputy Vista and I have done the best we could, but we faced roadblocks as we couldn't independently pursue mergers (even though we found a region that showed interest in merging) without the proper approval and we didn't want to tamper with the telegram without the proper approval.[/spoiler]

The one thing I'll say is that there isn't an overwhelming need to defer to the direction or approval of the Chancellor on items related to recruitment because the Vice Chancellor is, as per the Constitution, the office that retains authority over recruitment. The Chancellor can provide direction and unity to Cabinet, but this isn't necessary for Ministers to carryout the wide majority of their duties.

If it's something like wording changes that you think could significantly impact the success of the recruitment telegram, go for it. I would steer clear of verbiage such as "defeating communism in the world" because that's a) arguably discriminatory, and b) not what offer as a region. But you're absolutely right that the use of active language will likely have a greater impact and you don't require input from the Chancellor to make these changes. I myself served (briefly) as a Vice Chancellor back in the original CFN and I think I was able to get two or three recruits from a recruitment blast of 250 recipients. I can't speak to if they stayed for the short or the long-term as this was two years ago, but this could be owing to manageable wording changes as my recruitment telegram certainly didn't promise the conquering of any ideologies or such.

South Hyder wrote:Office of the Vice Chancellor

South Hyder

Baxten logged in to his nation roughly a day ago, but hasn't made an RMB post in 8 days or taken government activity since he made a post about his inactivity about two weeks ago. The Constitution of the Second Republic states that, "In the event that the Chancellor is absent for a period of more than 7 days" the VC will take over until his return. I believe this is saying in this instance that if he is absent from his role in government, which he has been, then this would occur. Upon his return he would get his position back, but I know a lot of people are concerned about the genuine crisis that we are facing and I think this is a step we can take to start working on it. We need an executive who can make decisions and help us now rather than later. Andromitus as the MoJ, Sulania as the MoIA, and Cesorion as the MoFA agree with this assessment and we are now making a formal plea to the Supreme Court to determine if this is a correct assessment of the situation. Baxten is a busy individual and we understand that, but this government needs to function and this is the way that will happen. His position will be waiting for him upon his permanent return.

Thank you all,

Hyder

UPDATE: A Supreme Court Justice has agreed with our assessment

This asks for ruling of the Supreme Court. Rulings of the Supreme Court must be ascertained by way of a post on the Judicial Forums (http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/board/8/superior-court) for the strict purpose of judicial transparency. That way person X doesn't say Supreme Justice Y agrees; there is a written post by said Supreme Justice that fellow Justices and the public writ large can see for themselves.

Vista Major, Talkative Friedensriech, Yukona, South Hyder

Post self-deleted by South Hyder.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:snip.

I made a prompt post, wasn't too sure about the formatting so I just posted what I posted here.

What are people talking aboot ?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler]The one thing I'll say is that there isn't an overwhelming need to defer to the direction or approval of the Chancellor on items related to recruitment because the Vice Chancellor is, as per the Constitution, the office that retains authority over recruitment. The Chancellor can provide direction and unity to Cabinet, but this isn't necessary for Ministers to carryout the wide majority of their duties.

If it's something like wording changes that you think could significantly impact the success of the recruitment telegram, go for it. I would steer clear of verbiage such as "defeating communism in the world" because that's a) arguably discriminatory, and b) not what offer as a region. But you're absolutely right that the use of active language will likely have a greater impact and you don't require input from the Chancellor to make these changes. I myself served (briefly) as a Vice Chancellor back in the original CFN and I think I was able to get two or three recruits from a recruitment blast of 250 recipients. I can't speak to if they stayed for the short or the long-term as this was two years ago, but this could be owing to manageable wording changes as my recruitment telegram certainly didn't promise the conquering of any ideologies or such. This asks for ruling of the Supreme Court. Rulings of the Supreme Court must be ascertained by way of a post on the Judicial Forums (http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/board/8/superior-court) for the strict purpose of judicial transparency. That way person X doesn't say Supreme Justice Y agrees; there is a written post by said Supreme Justice that fellow Justices and the public writ large can see for themselves.[/spoiler]

Ye. "I'm now Pontifex Maximus because Justice X said so" doesn't really cut it, y'know?

[nation=short]Jaslandia[/nation]

We require your ruling on the below linked topic as soon as you are able.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/40/constitutional-interpretation

Jaslandia

[B]Hall of the Internationale

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Office of the Minister

A few moments ago, Neo-Icelandic Commomwealh telegrammed me about the possibility of merging with Central Pacific Empire. He then launched some insults against South Hyder, and advised me against merging with them. He said that "we do not deserve them". I want to say that what South Hyder did in other Regions, for me, is of NO IMPORTANCE.

Second, no-inexperienced- outsider shall have to do with our Diplomatic Relations. No. This is my field, and I shall deicde as I consider best for the Confederacy.

Thank you,

Cesorion, MoFA

Vista Major, South Hyder

Cesorion wrote:SNIP

Well proceed as you wish, I just wanted you to know immediate talks of merging or threats will scare the CPE away, Libertatem knows that to be true.

I would recommend you first try to build a relationship with the region and become their friend, this will help us in the long run.

South Hyder wrote:Well proceed as you wish, I just wanted you to know immediate talks of merging or threats will scare the CPE away, Libertatem knows that to be true.

I would recommend you first try to build a relationship with the region and become their friend, this will help us in the long run.

I know that. I meant that no outsider will tell me what to do in the realm of Foreign Affairs. I will request embassies today or tomorow.

South Hyder

Also I want to point out, if the fact that Bax has logged in a day ago is used as the evidence to prove that he has not been absent in his position for over a week even though the citizens, his entire cabinet, the RMB, and Discord say otherwise, this creates a loophole that states that if a Chancellor logs in every few days while neglecting his duties, he's safe.

United Continental States

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[nation=short]Jaslandia[/nation]

We require your ruling on the below linked topic as soon as you are able.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/40/constitutional-interpretation

Noted. I am currently thinking about the situation, and I will post when I have come to a conclusion.

South Hyder

I would ask that citizens do not attempt to influence the decision of the Supreme Court by way of private telegrams. I spoke to judicial transparency in my earlier post just a short while ago, and initiating a discussion with Supreme Court Justices on an active case through a private telegram to "hope help convince [us] of this issue" is wholly inappropriate.

For the purpose of continued transparency, this was telegram received by both Jas and I:

[spoiler=Hyder's Telegram]I made a post on the Forums but realized it was probably out of order, so I'll just telegram it to you guys so you can assess these points that I hope help convince you of this issue.

I would just like to point out in response to Continental Commonwealths, this does not "consider an elected official to be absent if he or she has not posted on the RMB in the past seven days" I have cited every single member of the Cabinet, all which have agreed that they have not been in contact with Baxten for over the period of seven days mandated. I believe that if every cabinet member agrees that he has been inactive for seven days, paired with the fact that he has not posted in eight days, paired with the fact that he has not been on Discord, it is fair to assume that Article V Section II be invoked.

Absent means not present, and he has not been present to the public or his own cabinet for at least eight days.

I really do ask you to reassess your position, as many people have pointed out, we are in a crisis that needs to be dealt with now, not after the next election.

This is not even a huge request as he will be given his position upon his return and the election is coming up, as you pointed out.

Please think about the content of it and the true implications of this decision.[/spoiler]

My response, which is posted here (and on the forums) publicly and not sent by telegram, is as follows:

a) To say "every cabinet member agrees" is an incorrect statement because, as far as the Supreme Court is aware, only you (Hyder) have said that every cabinet member agrees. This is the same issue as you saying a Supreme Justice already agrees. Unless your provide documentation (such as through screenshots) of these agreements, it has to be considered as hearsay by the Courts.

b) The position of Chancellor is, according to the Constitution, also involved in diplomatic relations. Even if every Cabinet member states the Chancellor has not been in contact with them, the Chancellor could have still been assuming some of his duties by way of interacting with foreign governments and therefore still be said to be active. This is a possible scenario for as long as he has been logged into NationStates at sometime in the past seven days. I can't determine definitively that it is not without evidence to the contrary.

Vista Major, Talkative Friedensriech

Continental Commonwealths wrote:SNIP

Again, there was no intent to be secretive, as I even said in the telegram, I posted on the forums first, but was informed it may be out of order. I also posted the exact content of this on Discord.

In regard to requested screenshots-

Supreme Court Justice-http://imgur.com/a/ghJ6b

Cabinet -

MoFA - http://imgur.com/a/2Ajbt

MoJ - http://imgur.com/a/AqewA

MoIA - http://imgur.com/a/zUtWH

VC - Just take my word for it ;)

I'm sorry if my posting syntax was off or I did not act in an anticipated manner regarding certain aspects of my proposal as I am not yet a veteran of the region.

If there is any other way I can help, I'd be happy to.

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