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Yukona wrote:But loads of countries I've already listen have former countries within them, look at the Breton in France and the Flemish in Belgium. My point is the whole perspective of it isn't my country is wholly subjective and not as factual as has been made out. Furthermore on the rationale that Alba should be independent for that reason purely then literally every nation would fracture. And let us not forget Yorkshires history as a part of Danelaw and how even that place was indeed a separate culture and people of the British Isles just like many others.

So Scotland should just accept it's a former country and just accept it will always be a minority in the UK? We should just lump it because hey, we're all British now and that's the way of it.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:I get what you mean but it's a bad argument because Scotland is not merely just a "region." Scottish unionists use this argument all the time. Yorkshire is usually their place of choice. The difference is Yorkshire is a county of England, a nation. Scotland is a nation in its own right.

If an independent Scotland voted for a Conservative government, I'd grit my teeth and bear it but I could accept the fact that it was a government voted in by Scots. What grates my cheese is that every single UK government is decided by England. Scotland's input in terms of votes is worthless. We might as well just not bother voting. Hell, we might as well just remove our MPs from Parliament because that's how much impact Scottish votes and voices has on the UK.

Do you get what I mean?

At this point, what separates an average Englishman from an average Scot? Both eat the same food, drink the same drink, and speak the same language, thanks to globalization both people have adopted the same culture and watch the same media. They are the same person save for personal pub preference.

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:At this point, what separates an average Englishman from an average Scot? Both eat the same food, drink the same drink, and speak the same language, thanks to globalization both people have adopted the same culture and watch the same media. They are the same person save for personal pub preference.

What separates us is our political outlooks. Scots do not want Brexit, the English do. Scots do not vote in Conservative governments, the English do. Scotland has as much right to control its own defence, its own social security system, its own borders etc. Why should these things be surrendered to England just because we live on the same island and speak the same language?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:So Scotland should just accept it's a former country and just accept it will always be a minority in the UK? We should just lump it because hey, we're all British now and that's the way of it.

That's not at all what I said and you know it lol. My point is its perspective, which I have made very clear. The way you've worded it is also wholly negative which suggests it's completely a one sided situation. My other point is the idea that every place with differing culture ruling itself would fracture the states of the world and this points out a flaw in automatically assuming this universally appropriate and more importantly necessary needed. It more importantly highlights that it simply is based upon perspective again.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:What separates us is our political outlooks. Scots do not want Brexit, the English do. Scots do not vote in Conservative governments, the English do. Scotland has as much right to control its own defence, its own social security system, its own borders etc. Why should these things be surrendered to England just because we live on the same island and speak the same language?

So at this point the only difference between the two people is voting habits?

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:That's not at all what I said and you know it lol. My point is its perspective, which I have made very clear. The way you've worded it is also wholly negative which suggests it's completely a one sided situation. My other point is the idea that every place with differing culture ruling itself would fracture the states of the world and this points out a flaw in automatically assuming this universally appropriate and more importantly necessary needed. It more importantly highlights that it simply is based upon perspective again.

Yeah, it's all about perspective. From my perspective, Westminster is a foreign parliament ruling over my country and using its resources. To you, Britain is one country and it's right and proper that Westminster rules it.

Swings and roundabouts. As I say, it's easy for you to think this way because you're from the union's most dominant country.

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:So at this point the only difference between the two people is voting habits?

Yes. I don't see why Scotland should suffer perpetual Conservative governments just because England has the bigger population.

Furthermore, I want Scotland to control all the policies I mentioned above, and everything else. I do not want an English-dominated parliament controlling these policies for my country.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, it's all about perspective. From my perspective, Westminster is a foreign parliament ruling over my country and using its resources. To you, Britain is one country and it's right and proper that Westminster rules it.

Swings and roundabouts. As I say, it's easy for you to think this way because you're from the union's most dominant country.

And it's easy for you to think that way because you're not? You say that as if you've got me by the tail when you've actually just reiterated my point. The very fact that exists and perspective changes things shows that your argument is not inherent and eternal and infallible, just as much as mine isn't.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:And it's easy for you to think that way because you're not? You say that as if you've got me by the tail when you've actually just reiterated my point. The very fact that exists and perspective changes things shows that your argument is not inherent and eternal and infallible, just as much as mine isn't.

I'm not saying my argument is infallible. What is so wrong with arguing that a country should rule itself?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I'm not saying my argument is infallible. What is so wrong with arguing that a country should rule itself?

Jesus Christ it's like trying to force and round peg into a square hole. The whole point with suggesting the argument that the Scots who like the U.K. like being ruled by Westminster and the whole tyranny by majority is entirely down to perspective on the situation. Now I know everything in the world is but the trouble with the argument is that you as much as you can justify your claims you can't prove your claims as it's entirely subject to a single side of the argument.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Jesus Christ it's like trying to force and round peg into a square hole. The whole point with suggesting the argument that the Scots who like the U.K. like being ruled by Westminster and the whole tyranny by majority is entirely down to perspective on the situation. Now I know everything in the world is but the trouble with the argument is that you as much as you can justify your claims you can't prove your claims as it's entirely subject to a single side of the argument.

Yes, that's true. Some Scots like the UK. And I believe most will always choose it. If that does happen in a second referendum, I'll just need to accept it. But I'll probably not bother with politics after that. If Scots decide to remain in the UK, those who voted for it deserve every bit of sh!t Westminster throws at them.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Yes. I don't see why Scotland should suffer perpetual Conservative governments just because England has the bigger population.

Furthermore, I want Scotland to control all the policies I mentioned above, and everything else. I do not want an English-dominated parliament controlling these policies for my country.

So if you are the same people at this point, what makes you special and unique from the rest of the union? For example, do you think that an American state should be independent if it votes different to the rest of the country?

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Jesus Christ it's like trying to force and round peg into a square hole. The whole point with suggesting the argument that the Scots who like the U.K. like being ruled by Westminster and the whole tyranny by majority is entirely down to perspective on the situation. Now I know everything in the world is but the trouble with the argument is that you as much as you can justify your claims you can't prove your claims as it's entirely subject to a single side of the argument.

Dude, why are you arguing with a nationalist. Of course it's gonna be difficult. Their arguments are inherently subjective.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Clemodecralia wrote:So if you are the same people at this point, what makes you special and unique from the rest of the union? For example, do you think that an American state should be independent if it votes different to the rest of the country?

If a majority in the state want independence then they should have it.

And Scots aren't special. I've already explained this. I want my country to govern itself. I don't want a parliament in England, stuffed with mostly English MPs, voting on laws which my 59 MPs can do sweet FA about because of sheer numbers. Plus, Scotland has control over only a few key policy areas and most of our taxes and resources are collected and spent by the London Treasury.

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Dude, why are you arguing with a nationalist. Of course it's gonna be difficult. Their arguments are inherently subjective.

Yeah, and a unionist/British nationalist's arguments are always objective and truthful. We Scots nationalists are just silly and emotional. We don't know what's best for us.

Lavan Tiri, Magnatronia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:If a majority in the state want independence then they should have it.

And Scots aren't special. I've already explained this. I want my country to govern itself. I don't want a parliament in England, stuffed with mostly English MPs, voting on laws which my 59 MPs can do sweet FA about because of sheer numbers. Plus, Scotland has control over only a few key policy areas and most of our taxes and resources are collected and spent by the London Treasury.

How does it make you feel that Scots and Englishmen are now essentially the same culturally, that there is virtually no difference, and that aside from a minority of people, true Scottish culture does not exist?

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:How does it make you feel that Scots and Englishmen are now essentially the same culturally, that there is virtually no difference, and that aside from a minority of people, true Scottish culture does not exist?

"True Scottish culture does not even exist."

Not even going to dignify that with a response.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:"True Scottish culture does not even exist."

Not even going to dignify that with a response.

I meant among the common person.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, and a unionist/British nationalist's arguments are always objective and truthful. We Scots nationalists are just silly and emotional. We don't know what's best for us.

See, now you're getting the hang of it.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Donald: Och, are ye lot havin' anither argument about Scottish independence? Ah huvnae seen this much arguin' ower Scottish independence since... well, since last nicht when me an' Gordon hud argument about it fur th' umpteenth time.

Douglas: Ah woods hae loved tae see ye chew out Gordon again, but Ah was at Vicarstown wi' th' midnecht goods train. Ah imagine it was quite a show, thocht!

Donald: It was, but th' others didne hink sae. Thomas said me an' Gordon waur keepin' a' fowk waukin', but Thomas doesnae understand 'at we Scots cannae just let an attack at oan our sovereignty slide.

Douglas: Tay true, Donnie.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:I meant among the common person.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Scotland has no culture of its own. I mean, it's not like it has its own education system, its own law, its own church, its own languages and music, its own parliament. These aren't aspects of Scottish culture, they are just figments of my imagination.

If there is virtually no difference between Scots and the English as you claim, why are you calling us Scots and English? Surely if there was no true difference and we were all just one big happy family and people, then why do the distinctions of Scot and English still exist? Why do the concepts of Scotland and England as countries still exist? Why are we not just all British and no other identifies? Why is it that many more people are identifying as Scottish/English only rather than British and Scottish/English or British only?

Could it be because there is still cultural differences between us?

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:"True Scottish culture does not even exist."

The Scottish Twins wrote:Donald: Och, are ye lot havin' anither argument about Scottish independence? Ah huvnae seen this much arguin' ower Scottish independence since... well, since last nicht when me an' Gordon hud argument about it fur th' umpteenth time.

Douglas: Ah woods hae loved tae see ye chew out Gordon again, but Ah was at Vicarstown wi' th' midnecht goods train. Ah imagine it was quite a show, thocht!

Donald: It was, but th' others didne hink sae. Thomas said me an' Gordon waur keepin' a' fowk waukin', but Thomas doesnae understand 'at we Scots cannae just let an attack at oan our sovereignty slide.

Douglas: Tay true, Donnie.

And here we have the counter-example to that statement.

Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Magnatronia wrote:See, now you're getting the hang of it.

Funny guy.

Lavan Tiri, Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:*snip*

Love the new RP story so far, I can't wait for more to join in.

Russkov Soviet, Lavan Tiri, Magnatronia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Love the new RP story so far, I can't wait for more to join in.

Oops, forgot to actually include the RP part

Lavan Tiri

Post self-deleted by Clemodecralia.

Jaslandia wrote:And here we have the counter-example to that statement.

Hey, Jas.

The King of Westeros urges Prince Jason to do away with this parliament nonsense and return the Crown to its rightful place as ruler of the land.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:So at this point the only difference between the two people is voting habits?

Nuremgard wrote:Yes.

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, yeah, that's right. Scotland has no culture of its own. I mean, it's not like it has its own education system, its own law, its own church, its own languages and music, its own parliament. These aren't aspects of Scottish culture, they are just figments of my imagination.

If there is virtually no difference between Scots and the English as you claim, why are you calling us Scots and English? Surely if there was no true difference and we were all just one big happy family and people, then why do the distinctions of Scot and English still exist? Why do the concepts of Scotland and England as countries still exist? Why are we not just all British and no other identifies? Why is it that many more people are identifying as Scottish/English only rather than British and Scottish/English or British only?

Could it be because there is still cultural differences between us?

I think you misunderstood my original question then?

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:I think you misunderstood my original question then?

Your question was how do I feel that Scots culture does not exist. I responded by pointing out aspects that showed a distinct Scottish culture.

Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Love the new RP story so far, I can't wait for more to join in.

Well... I can't find it for some bloody reason. Shoot me a link?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Your question was how do I feel that Scots culture does not exist. I responded by pointing out aspects that showed a distinct Scottish culture.

My mistake for not specifying *historic/traditional* Scottish culture.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Clemodecralia wrote:My mistake for not specifying *historic/traditional* Scottish culture.

By your logic, most of Europe is indistinguishable in terms of culture since most European states are secular, liberal and democratic. Should they become one country because of that?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Hey, Jas.

The King of Westeros urges Prince Jason to do away with this parliament nonsense and return the Crown to its rightful place as ruler of the land.

Prince Jason appreciates hearing from a fellow monarch, but he shall decline the King's request. Prince Jason has no interest in absolute power, and he's not going to undo hundreds of years of Jaslandian democracy so easily.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Prince Jason appreciates hearing from a fellow monarch, but he shall decline the King's request. Prince Jason has no interest in absolute power, and he's not going to undo hundreds of years of Jaslandian democracy so easily.

King Aegon finds it weird that Prince Jason doesn't want absolute power and finds the whole concept of democracy horrifying. But he has also said to Jason, "whatever cooks your pudding."

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

The Scottish Twins wrote:Donald: Och, are ye lot havin' anither argument about Scottish independence? Ah huvnae seen this much arguin' ower Scottish independence since... well, since last nicht when me an' Gordon hud argument about it fur th' umpteenth time.

Douglas: Ah woods hae loved tae see ye chew out Gordon again, but Ah was at Vicarstown wi' th' midnecht goods train. Ah imagine it was quite a show, thocht!

Donald: It was, but th' others didne hink sae. Thomas said me an' Gordon waur keepin' a' fowk waukin', but Thomas doesnae understand 'at we Scots cannae just let an attack at oan our sovereignty slide.

Douglas: Tay true, Donnie.

It's things like this that make me glad I pull the mail train, that way I don't have to listen to the arguing at the sheds all night. Tidmouth Sheds seems to have gotten much more argumentative over the past year. Still, at least I can still get some peace and quiet at Ffarquhar Sheds.

Murdoch: Peace and quiet, you say? I'm all for that! Mind if I join you at Ffarquhar Sheds one day?

Percy: You could try, but the sheds are designed for tank engines like me, Thomas, and Toby, not big tender engines like you. Plus, I'm not sure if the branch line rails could support your weight.

Murdoch: Are you implying I'm fat!?!

Percy: No, not at all, just--

Murdoch: Relax, I was just teasing you. No worries, Percy. Knapford Sheds is good enough for me.

Nuremgard wrote:Hey, Jas.

The King of Westeros urges Prince Jason to do away with this parliament nonsense and return the Crown to its rightful place as ruler of the land.

Gordon: I wish the same could happen to Percyton. I tried to make the monarchy more powerful back when I was King of Percyton, but it only made me unpopular; my supposed 'gruff' and 'arrogant' demeanor didn't help, they say. Still, I suppose democracy has its uses, and Prime Minister Sir Topham Hatt has been a valuable ally to me politically.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:Prince Jason appreciates hearing from a fellow monarch, but he shall decline the King's request. Prince Jason has no interest in absolute power, and he's not going to undo hundreds of years of Jaslandian democracy so easily.

I imagine if Westeros became a democracy, it would resemble the UK. Most power reserved in King's Landing but each realm has some devolution over certain areas, with their own elected assemblies and first ministers. The upper chamber of the King's Landing legislature would be reserved for the nobility of the country, the King would play a more active role in politics than the current ceremonial UK monarch and the Hand of the King would be the prime minister.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:By your logic, most of Europe is indistinguishable in terms of culture since most European states are secular, liberal and democratic. Should they become one country because of that?

Most of Western Europe is indeed, sadly indistinguishable (save for the languages and isolated towns), however I think not to the same degree of Scotland/England.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Clemodecralia wrote:Most of Western Europe is indeed, sadly indistinguishable (save for the languages and isolated towns), however I think not to the same degree of Scotland/England.

That's your prerogative to think that.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:That's your prerogative to think that.

Western Europe is pretty distinguishable, dunno where that's coming from tbh

Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Friedensreich wrote:Western Europe is pretty distinguishable, dunno where that's coming from tbh

Yeah. Try telling a Frenchman their culture is indistinguishable from a German. You'd get a punch in the mouth most likely. And you'd also probably get a punch in the mouth if you said to a Scotsman in a Glasgow bar, "your culture does not exist. You are the same as an Englishman."

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. Try telling a Frenchman their culture is indistinguishable from a German. You'd get a punch in the mouth most likely. And you'd also probably get a punch in the mouth if you said to a Scotsman in a Glasgow bar, "your culture does not exist. You are the same as an Englishman."

I imagine you'd be lynched for saying a German is identical to a Frank. Or telling a Spaniard that they're indistinguishable from a Greek.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Friedensreich wrote:I imagine you'd be lynched for saying a German is identical to a Frank. Or telling a Spaniard that they're indistinguishable from a Greek.

One place in Scotland where you'd get fervent agreement that Scots and English are the same is in an Orange Lodge.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. Try telling a Frenchman their culture is indistinguishable from a German. You'd get a punch in the mouth most likely. And you'd also probably get a punch in the mouth if you said to a Scotsman in a Glasgow bar, "your culture does not exist. You are the same as an Englishman."

I can relate to that. For us on Sodor, people will sometimes say that we're the same as the Manx, or that we're just a discount version of the Manx. I think it's safe to say Sodor's history and culture proves otherwise.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. Try telling a Frenchman their culture is indistinguishable from a German. You'd get a punch in the mouth most likely. And you'd also probably get a punch in the mouth if you said to a Scotsman in a Glasgow bar, "your culture does not exist. You are the same as an Englishman."

Punched in the mouth? By a Frenchman?! To protect his nation's dignity?!?

Bahahaha! Funniest joke I've heard all day!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Punched in the mouth? By a Frenchman?! To protect his nation's dignity?!?

Bahahaha! Funniest joke I've heard all day!

I expected someone to make the pussy Frenchman joke lol

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

You know how commercial airline pilots, once they've landed the plane, usually come out of the flight deck and stand near the front of the plane, thanking people and welcoming them to the destination city?

It seems like a real opportunity missed.

If I were a commercial airline pilot, I'd do it almost identical to that. I'd land the plane, exit the flight deck, stand next to the door where the passangers were disembarking from.

And when the passengers were walking by and saying stuff like "bye" and "thanks" and "have a good night", I'd look them dead in the eye with a stony face and respond, in my best a la Harrison Ford voice:

"Get off my plane".

I wouldn't be a commercial airline pilot for long, but dammit I'd be the very best like no one ever was.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Tserra

I feel bad for how oppressed people in Tangshan are. Workers were striking for a minimum wage and the President just made them into slaves.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Magnatronia

Nuremgard wrote:I feel bad for how oppressed people in Tangshan are. Workers were striking for a minimum wage and the President just made them into slaves.

"What is 'corporatism'?"

"I'll take 'Fact as Fiction' for $200, Alex."

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Continental Commonwealths wrote:You know how commercial airline pilots, once they've landed the plane, usually come out of the flight deck and stand near the front of the plane, thanking people and welcoming them to the destination city?

It seems like a real opportunity missed.

If I were a commercial airline pilot, I'd do it almost identical to that. I'd land the plane, exit the flight deck, stand next to the door where the passangers were disembarking from.

And when the passengers were walking by and saying stuff like "bye" and "thanks" and "have a good night", I'd look them dead in the eye with a stony face and respond, in my best a la Harrison Ford voice:

"Get off my plane".

I wouldn't be a commercial airline pilot for long, but dammit I'd be the very best like no one ever was.

I actually had a pilot do something like that. I can't remember his name, but it was Southwest Flight 1028 from DIA in Colorado to LAX in Cali. As we were leaving, the captain came out in a pirate costume and thanked us for "flyin' Bluebeard's airy-ship". No wonder our gate time was so long. I gave him $100 and got a pair of wings. Best day ever.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Clemodecralia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:"What is 'corporatism'?"

"I'll take 'Fact as Fiction' for $200, Alex."

Yup. Tangshan is a corporate hell-hole.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I feel bad for how oppressed people in Tangshan are. Workers were striking for a minimum wage and the President just made them into slaves.

God I love him already

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, South Hyder

Magnatronia wrote:God I love him already

You'll probably want to marry him when you find out he is at the centre of a violently jingoistic cult of personality which extols the President as a god and which treats Tang nationalism as a religion.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:You'll probably want to marry him when you find out he is at the centre of a violently jingoistic cult of personality which extols the President as a god and which treats Tang nationalism as a religion.

Marry him? He's my new god.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Marry him? He's my new god.

You'd do well in Tangshan. If you were an elite that is. If you're poor then you're f*cked.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:You'll probably want to marry him when you find out he is at the centre of a violently jingoistic cult of personality which extols the President as a god and which treats Tang nationalism as a religion.

Juche?

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Juche?

Hell no. That's communist. Tangshan is fanatically corporatist and free market.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yup. Tangshan is a corporate hell-hole.

*America peeks in* what are you talking about?

Lavan Tiri

Solla Ultima wrote:*America peeks in* what are you talking about?

Just check out its overview page. You'll see.

Lavan Tiri

Solla Ultima wrote:*America peeks in* what are you talking about?

https://goo.gl/DCY5LE

Lavan Tiri, Solla Ultima

Jaslandia wrote:https://goo.gl/DCY5LE

Sounds about right

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:https://goo.gl/DCY5LE

*America* what we've just invaded Iraq twice in the name of "freedom"

Lavan Tiri

Solla Ultima wrote:*America* what we've just invaded Iraq twice in the name of "freedom"

I mean, to be fair, we did find Chemical Weapons when we brought down Saddam.

Lavan Tiri

Also, remember everyone!

If you didn't give a dolphin LSD and a hand-job in the sixties, you weren't really living.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Howe_Lovatt

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Good morning everyone!

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Man, I always miss the ScotRef debates, how else am I to spread my nasty progressive nat opinions?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Lex Caledonia wrote:Man, I always miss the ScotRef debates, how else am I to spread my nasty progressive nat opinions?

I tried to make it as less of a debate as possible, hence why I tried to word it diplomatically and also say "I'm not trying to argue" - my sole point was that Nurem saying that Scots were 'ruled' by Britain and there is a tyranny by majority wholly depends on the outlook of which country you feel you come from - it's simply not an inherent truth that you can lambaste the opposite opinion holders on.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:I tried to make it as less of a debate as possible, hence why I tried to word it diplomatically and also say "I'm not trying to argue" - my sole point was that Nurem saying that Scots were 'ruled' by Britain and there is a tyranny by majority wholly depends on the outlook of which country you feel you come from - it's simply not an inherent truth that you can lambaste the opposite opinion holders on.

Yup. Scottish nationalists accuse British nationalists/unionists of being cringe-merchants in thrall to the bigger country next door. British nationalists/unionists accuse Scottish nationalists of nursing grievances and believe they are equal and British.

Their viewpoint makes me lol.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Yup. Scottish nationalists accuse British nationalists/unionists of being cringe-merchants in thrall to the bigger country next door. British nationalists/unionists accuse Scottish nationalists of nursing grievances and believe they are equal and British.

Their viewpoint makes me lol.

"cringe-merchants"

I have never heard this word and it's only now that I feel satisfied with the Internet. Thank you Nurem :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:"cringe-merchants"

I have never heard this word and it's only now that I feel satisfied with the Internet. Thank you Nurem :D

Happy to be of service. *bows*

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:I tried to make it as less of a debate as possible, hence why I tried to word it diplomatically and also say "I'm not trying to argue" - my sole point was that Nurem saying that Scots were 'ruled' by Britain and there is a tyranny by majority wholly depends on the outlook of which country you feel you come from - it's simply not an inherent truth that you can lambaste the opposite opinion holders on.

P.S: It's still tyranny by majority. Just because Scottish unionists are happy with it doesn't make it right.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Yup. Scottish nationalists accuse British nationalists/unionists of being cringe-merchants in thrall to the bigger country next door. British nationalists/unionists accuse Scottish nationalists of nursing grievances and believe they are equal and British.

Their viewpoint makes me lol.

My viewpoint booked and boarded a flight with Virgin Galactic's experimental space-tourism aircraft and decided to go on one of those zero gravity flights about 367,454 feet above your head.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:My viewpoint booked and boarded a flight with Virgin Galactic's experimental space-tourism aircraft and decided to go on one of those zero gravity flights about 367,454 feet above your head.

Sigh. Think we should make a rule between us: no more discussing this issue. I'm a Scottish nationalist, you're a British nationalist. Let's leave it at that.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Sigh. Think we should make a rule between us: no more discussing this issue. I'm a Scottish nationalist, you're a British patriot. Let's leave it at that.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:

You believe in Britain as a nation. You believe the countries of Britain should be ruled by Westminster. You are a British nationalist.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Here you go: statement made by my administration pertaining to the conflict in UCT: https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general/page=display_region_rmb?postid=26590620#p26590620

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, Pirate Kingdoms

Yukona wrote:I tried to make it as less of a debate as possible, hence why I tried to word it diplomatically and also say "I'm not trying to argue" - my sole point was that Nurem saying that Scots were 'ruled' by Britain and there is a tyranny by majority wholly depends on the outlook of which country you feel you come from - it's simply not an inherent truth that you can lambaste the opposite opinion holders on.

Nothing wrong with a good debate! Its always great to hear what both sides are thinking, helps us come towards an understanding with one another. Where about's in Scotland are you from Yukona?

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Lex Caledonia wrote:Nothing wrong with a good debate! Its always great to hear what both sides are thinking, helps us come towards an understanding with one another. Where about's in Scotland are you from Yukona?

I ain't, oh how you've mistaken me -_- kinda makes my side seem worse now

Lavan Tiri, Lex Caledonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:Nothing wrong with a good debate! Its always great to hear what both sides are thinking, helps us come towards an understanding with one another. Where about's in Scotland are you from Yukona?

He's a heathen. He's from......*whispers* down south.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:I ain't, oh how you've mistaken me -_- kinda makes my side seem worse now

Ahhh that's my bad! Nah your side isn't worse, don't worry about it. Even if you aren't from Scotland, your views are still valuable in my opinion. Helps us get a wider picture and frame a larger understanding of the situation here.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Lex Caledonia wrote:Ahhh that's my bad! Nah your side isn't worse, don't worry about it. Even if you aren't from Scotland, your views are still valuable in my opinion. Helps us get a wider picture and frame a larger understanding of the situation here.

Yukona wrote:I ain't, oh how you've mistaken me -_- kinda makes my side seem worse now

Despite my sometimes bitter and argumentative tone, I do enjoy debating with you, Yuk. Would be very boring if we were always in an echo chamber.

Lavan Tiri, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Despite my sometimes bitter and argumentative tone, I do enjoy debating with you, Yuk. Would be very boring if we were always in an echo chamber.

We try

Lex Caledonia wrote:Ahhh that's my bad! Nah your side isn't worse, don't worry about it. Even if you aren't from Scotland, your views are still valuable in my opinion. Helps us get a wider picture and frame a larger understanding of the situation here.

I'm from south-western England. Funny, Nurem, if I go to Uni this year I'll have to get used to saying I live in Surrey/London. How odd.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:We try

I'm from south-western England. Funny, Nurem, if I go to Uni this year I'll have to get used to saying I live in Surrey/London. How odd.

You're going to live in Tory country? Heaven help you! Luckily, my uni is in my home city. Literally across the street from my old college campus.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Yukona wrote:We try

I'm from south-western England. Funny, Nurem, if I go to Uni this year I'll have to get used to saying I live in Surrey/London. How odd.

Oh, and good luck for getting into uni! What you gonna' study? What uni do you want to go to?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Lex Caledonia wrote:Ahhh that's my bad! Nah your side isn't worse, don't worry about it. Even if you aren't from Scotland, your views are still valuable in my opinion. Helps us get a wider picture and frame a larger understanding of the situation here.

You're never here to back me up. You're a bad comrade. :P

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, and good luck for getting into uni! What you gonna' study? What uni do you want to go to?

Royal Holloway, University of London - Politics and International Studies.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:Royal Holloway, University of London - Politics and International Studies.

Same course as me! Good luck! Will be honest though, never heard of that uni. Though I doubt you've heard of Strathclyde.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Same course as me! Good luck! Will be honest though, never heard of that uni. Though I doubt you've heard of Strathclyde.

I know quite a few Scottish Unis. And I doubt you would have heard of it, but it's a decent enough university - only just getting big, prefer to say University of London tbh. It's similar to Queen Mary, UCL and King's.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:You're never here to back me up. You're a bad comrade. :P

Hey, you can handle yourself :L

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:I know quite a few Scottish Unis. And I doubt you would have heard of it, but it's a decent enough university - only just getting big, prefer to say University of London tbh. It's similar to Queen Mary, UCL and King's.

Well now I feel terribly provincial. When I think of English unis, I think of the elite ones. Eton, Oxford, Cambridge. Another that springs to mind is the London School of Economics.

Lex Caledonia wrote:Hey, you can handle yourself :L

Wouldn't mind a helping hand now and again!

Lavan Tiri, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:Royal Holloway, University of London - Politics and International Studies.

Ooooh! Its a great uni, my girlfriend is studying Media there and she loves it. Good luck my man!

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Well now I feel terribly provincial. When I think of English unis, I think of the elite ones. Eton, Oxford, Cambridge. Another that springs to mind is the London School of Economics.

Wouldn't mind a helping hand now and again!

I'll be sure to chip in a bit more then!

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Lex Caledonia wrote:Ooooh! Its a great uni, my girlfriend is studying Media there and she loves it. Good luck my man!

Is she English? Are you interbreeding?! Traitor!

Lavan Tiri

Lex Caledonia wrote:Ooooh! Its a great uni, my girlfriend is studying Media there and she loves it. Good luck my man!

Thanks, I was unsure at first because I wanted a bigger and well-known university that was in the city - but they have an excellent partnership with Yale, Concordia (Montreal), Toronto and Alberta (Edmonton) university(ies) and I'd really like to study in Canada or the US.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:Thanks, I was unsure at first because I wanted a bigger and well-known university that was in the city - but they have an excellent partnership with Yale, Concordia (Montreal), Toronto and Alberta (Edmonton) university(ies) and I'd really like to study in Canada or the US.

What's your plan for a career?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Is she English? Are you interbreeding?! Traitor!

I'm afraid so Nurem, I'm a dirty traitor who is conspiring with the enemy, please don't tell the SNP for they shall surely have my head! *faints*

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19204/health-rationing-england-obese-and-smokers-banned-hank-berrien

Lavan Tiri

Lex Caledonia wrote:I'm afraid so Nurem, I'm a dirty traitor who is conspiring with the enemy, please don't tell the SNP for they shall surely have my head! *faints*

Nah it's cool, man. I understand the temptation. I've got a thing for Englishmen.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:What's your plan for a career?

I don't know really - I'm waiting to see that when I get to doing the degree (I'll also have to see if I go due to my results). But if everything pans out, I plan on doing all the security and defence modules revolving around counter-terrorism and war, so I'd probably do something like that as it's right up my street. I could see myself working in the civil service, intelligence service or a defence-orientated job with the government or an NGO.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:http://www.dailywire.com/news/19204/health-rationing-england-obese-and-smokers-banned-hank-berrien

That's England, not Scotland. Our healthcare system is devolved.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Yukona wrote:I don't know really - I'm waiting to see that when I get to doing the degree (I'll also have to see if I go due to my results). But if everything pans out, I plan on doing all the security and defence modules revolving around counter-terrorism and war, so I'd probably do something like that as it's right up my street. I could see myself working in the civil service, intelligence service or a defence-orientated job with the government or an NGO.

That would be awesome. I'm aiming for the civil service myself. Defence and intelligence service are very important jobs.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

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