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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
If a person weighs 99lbs, and proceeds to eat 1lbs of nachos. That person is 1 percent nachos.
Merlinton, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms
As someone who has OCD and schizophrenia, fvck you, Al. Normally I like you, but fück you, asshat.
My OCD makes me fantasize about killing my loved ones, causes me severe depression, makes me constantly anxious that either me or my boyfriend is cheating/going to cheat, gives me uncontrollable and obsessive harmful thoughts, and makes it hard for me to even talk to people without wanting to harm them--even the ones I love the most.
My schizophrenia makes me have severe hallucinations and uncontrollable violent spells--not so much anymore, actually, given that I'm no longer overmedicating myself--and has caused me 18 broken bones due to these spells.
So you can take your "overly peculiar" bullshït and shove it up your ass, because what you dismiss as bullshît makes living my life 10 times harder, and you saying that shïte only makes me and all the people like me more likely to not receive treatment, because assmonkeys like you stigmatize something we can't control.
Are you racist, Al? Homophobic? Sexist? Transphobic? Because if you're this callous towards the mentally ill, then you're a hypocrite if you're not just as biased against people for other things they can't control.
Nuremgard
You make a valid points but we have moved from locking people away in lunatic asylums for being different to actually helping them understand and treat their conditions. We've made huge progress. People act the way they do because their disorders wire their brain or body chemistry differently. And it's these quirks in biology that cause them to behave in certain ways. They need our help and support, not condemnation and dismissal.
I know it's an example from a movie but bear with me here. I saw the film Split today. It's about a man with Disassociate Personality Disorder. This is a controversial, poorly understand disorder and one of the most stigmatised. Some people, including professionals, believe it does not exist. But in my humble opinion, having seen documentaries of people who suffer from it, I believe it is real. And it is bloody heartbreaking to witness.
Like I said. Help and support.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Anyways bedtime for Tse. Whether I sleep the whole night or not I dunno, but all of that is beside the point.
Good night, and I love you all! :D
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
We can settle on that. Though again when it comes to personality disorders, it is a matter of personality, however it is in a realm of personality that can be negative to the person who people around them. We can settle on that though.
We cannot settle on that though. Science is built on peer reviewed study and ever changing nature. Science is built on the idea that the objective world is viewed by subjective viewpoints, and it is through consensus of the scientific community (it's where we hear 'peer reviewed') we come to the most logical conclusion for our time. You're right, in a hundred, two hundred or however many, years we can have entirely new evidence that shows the complete opposite. However, from what we know now, these things do exist, and we also know that such archaic and racist forms of science are no longer valid and so on and so forth.
To say that we could be wrong is correct, we may be, but to base your opinion on the chance that we are, against all evidence that people who are experts on the subject have come found, is relatively asinine. I'm okay with you being skeptical, again the scientific process is based on skepticism and questioning modern viewpoints on scientific matters, but we can't just go applying that for everything without applying it in a scientific setting.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur
Apologies. I meant to say Disassociate Identity Disorder.
Lavan Tiri
I feel like that is a little more than the OCD I was speaking of. I was mainly talking about when people need to be super clean or for everything to be straight. Ik that isn't all OCD is, but that is what I meant. I should have been more specific. I also see anxiety as a perfectly normal personality trait rather than a disorder. Also, I wouldn't include schizophrenia in my list of normal personality traits. You have to keep in mind that I am not demonizing people for having these traits, I am saying it is perfectly normal to have them, so I don't know why you would be mad. Perhaps I didn't articulate myself well enough.
Am I racist? Aren't we all? Am I a homophobe? I certainly am not afraid of gays. Am I a sexist? No, but the sexes are different and are not equal in everything. Am I a transphobe? I'm not afraid of trans people either.
I'm not callous (well, I am, but not in this case). Clearly there is miscommunication, as I am saying that it is normal to have these traits and that we shouldn't classify everyone who has these traits as having a disorder. What you have sounds like it is beyond what I mentioned.
Lavan Tiri
Homophobic/transphobic does not mean being afraid of gays or trans people. Don't be obtuse.
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur
Did you just insult my angle? I will have you know there is nothing wrong with being obtuse.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
I never said we should condemn people for these traits, merely that they are normal to have them. Also, that is beyond what I am talking about. I am, in no way, speaking of all mental disorders. Disorders are real, but some of the things classified as disorders are really just personality traits.
I'm not proposing policymakers make a decision on my opinion. I am just saying that I am not convinced by it and saying things like Trump is a clinical narcissist is stupid. To say he is a narcissist because of a disorder is excusing him entirely of his own personality trait. Trump is just an arsehole, he doesn't have a disorder.
Lavan Tiri
I was being cheeky
Lavan Tiri
#Acute4Life
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
When are you not?
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
What about anxiety so bad that it impacts your ability to function in society? What about those OCD people who keep things obsessively clean or obsessively follow certain rituals because their brains are more or less forcing them to, and they'll break down if they don't?
You weren't demonizing people--you were saying that, if people didn't meet your personal criteria, they weren't mentally ill and should get over it. You had a good point with the ADD/ADHD thing, I'll grant you that, but everything else was essentially what it sounds like when Mike Pence farts into a bucket onstage at a Pride Fest.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Fair Enough.
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur
It's far more fun to act imprudently.
Lavan Tiri
My cousin has severe OCD. It affects her relationship with her husband as he becomes frustrated by her constant nagging of him not to mess anything up. What's worse though, is that she harms herself. She scrubs herself so hard her skin becomes red and sore and she has bathed herself in bleach before.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Now there was something I did not need pictured in my head.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm also only talking about people who can function but are still diagnosed. For example, an ex girlfriend of mine had anxiety and she would get so nervous that she couldn't do certain things. I never thought of it as a disorder, I just helped her through it because I realized some people just have those personalities. She wasn't a super confident person, so I helped her gain her confidence. I believe that as soon as you classify these small things, people will start to think they can't be helped without medication. People can help themselves or get help from others by simply developing traits to counter that. For a clean freak, having them get a little dirty, little by little, until they are comfortable with it over time could help them a lot. This idea is far more effective than saying "there is something wrong with you. Take these pills to correct you". People should be telling them that there is nothing wrong, that it is normal to feel that way and that they can overcome these traits.
Maybe I like Pence farts. They smell like liberty lol
Lavan Tiri
I was going to find a barfing gif, but I think it would be just as valid to let you know that you made me physically convulse.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
I bet Pence is a raging flamer. Probably wants to deepthroat Donald.
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Lol don't knock Mike "Like cocks? Get eletric shocks" Pence's farts until you try them. Every time I sniff, I feel freer lol
Lavan Tiri
He probably already has. I've seen the smirk on his face when the two of them go off camera. Maybe fly down to Russia and get some golden showers together.
Speaking of which, Putin bragged about how great Russian prostitutes are lol Except her called them women of liberal social values lol
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Putin would know how good the prostitutes are because God knows any woman who'd f*ck him without paying or crying.
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Donald: WHAT!?! THAT'S DISGUTIN'! I WOODS NE'ER AGREE TAE SUCH A HIN', AN' NOW I'LL BE SPENDIN' AGES TRYIN' TAE GET 'AT MENTAL IMAGE OUT OF MAH MIN'!
Douglas: Calm doon, Donnie. He was talkin' about Donald Trump, nae ye. Besides, I woods imagine 'at nae human woods be stupid enaw tae dae... 'at tae an engine. I'm na e'en sure how 'at woods wark.
Donald: Yeah, yoo're reit Dougie. Sorry about 'at. Carry oan.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Pirate Kingdoms
[nation=short]Sulania[/nation], as a fellow criminal justice major, do you think the criminal justice system needs to be reformed? If so, how and why? Also, how does the fact that crime in the US is at an all time low affect your opinion?
Lavan Tiri
So this must be the downside of sharing a first name with Donald Trump. My condolences.
Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
The name is so toxic now that when I wrote a factbook for a country, I originally named a prince of the country's royal family Donald (as it was a Scottish themed nation and Donald is a Scottish name.) But when I realised he shared a name with the Oompa Loompa, I changed it.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm a criminology major, to start off.
I believe that there can be reforms in certain areas, but only in the realm of accountability and managing of flaws in the system. By flaws, I mean aiding people who have been wrongly imprisoned, subject of police brutality, ect. I'm also not that keen on private prisons, at all, and would rather see funds expanded for public prisons. Beyond that, I'm not really a major person in favor of criminal justice reform.
It makes me more confident in the system, at least in the realm of enforcement and prevention. I believe most issues with it can be found when an officer makes a mistake, or when there's a mistake made in the system, and there we can I believe turn attention. However, like I said, I'm not all that keen on jumping into the Criminal Justice Reform crowd because often times the reforms that are proposed are either unreasonable, immeasurable, or poorly conceived.
Aldaur
No no, the [B]system[/B] is one percent :P
I'll help if needed.
Bernie Sanders: The top 1% of the body holds 100% of the nachos. This cannot be allowed to continue. The nachos must be spread more evenly throughout the body, so there is less of a disparity between the have-nachos and the have-not-nachos.
Merlinton, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
Ah I see. I thought you were criminal justice, but upon scrolling up, I have that I was wrong :p
Very well, I agree. I used to be more into privatization, but now I believe we should instead just work on making the government more modern and efficient rather than delegating our responsibilities. I find it irresponsible to just give up.
Crime rates have gone down, yet fear of crime has gone up. I suppose that is good. If people are scared, they remain vigilant and keep pumping money into the system, which in turn makes them decrease actual crime. If people weren't afraid, they tend to get lazy on funding the criminal justice system and it would only increase when crime spikes. The best way to keep crime down is to keep lying to people lol
Thanks for that sage political advice there, Tywin.
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Bruh, I make Tywin, Machiavelli, Scar, Shang Yang, Frank Underwood, Hillary Clinton, Chancellor Pike, Ludwig von Rochau, and Emperor Palpatine all look like softies :p Seriously though, these are some of my favorite real and fictional people :p
The Democrats should push much harder for a Path to Citizenship. If they do, the growing illegal hispanic population will become legal and massively vote Democrat. Places like Texas and other conservative southern States actually have a lot of hispanics, but are just disenfranchised in one way or another. If the Democrats can legalize the hispanics and turn Texas and some soither states Blue, the US will effectively become a single party state ruled by Dems. Then, we can merge with Canada so that liberals vastly outnumber conservatives. Then we can stop this silly nonsense in democracies where completely different policies are inacted every few years. I'd be okay living in a Liberal Single-Party State. I'd rather live in a Liberal one than a Conservative one tbh. The only thing I find irritating about liberals is their lack of social responsibility.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
Tywin is awesome. Charles Dance played him beautifully.
Aldaur, The United Providences Of Perland
>Has a job that requires me to work the polls at all elections and votes in my town
>Just had the general election in November
>Has another election coming up in March
smh. Lots of work comin up for me in the new few months getting this next thing all set up.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
What election is it?
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Donald: Aye, I can sympathize.
Douglas: Well, at leest 'at hasnae happened tae mah name. It's still a pure an' noble Scottish name.
Donald: Dornt be too sure about 'at. What if Michael Douglas decides tae rin fur president, an' he turns it tae be a jackass to?
Douglas: The actor? True, I suppose 'at coods happen, but I cannae see 'at happenin' onytime suin, an' I cannae hink of onie other particularly famous Douglases reit now.
Donald: Best be careful what ye say, Dougie. I wooldnae tempt fate if I waur ye.
Douglas: Och, bugger aff Donnie!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I imagine it is their State Primary for executive offices such as Governor, Vice Governor/Lieutenant Governor (sometimes Secretary of State), Secretary of State, Attorny General, etc.
Nuremgard
Been looking into American Civil Religion. I like it.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
It's more of a sociological theory than an actual religion, but okay. It (arguably) exists, I doubt you'll find someone who outright says "I'm a proud believer in American civil religion!"; nor are you likely to encounter people who go on pilgrimages to Valley Force, or who pray to pictures of George Washington.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_civil_religion
Aldaur
Ik that Jas. I still like it though. It is a way of inducing nationalism, which is why I like it.
*Busy playing The Division*
*Internet connection's slightly spotty: no attentiin paid*
*Waves of enemies show up and drain resources*
*Last guy comes : turret and pulse abilities don't deploy*
*Last boss almost dead: hits don't register*
*Guy teleports behind a pillar while firing: hits register and kill me*
I think I'm developing an ulcer from my unbroiled rage
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
I don't think that a vote is necessary for us to attend the Fifth NS Fair. Our representation there is something that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be working on. It's another attept to draw attention and create possibly new partnerships.
Also I had already applied for our regional booth before I even made it public.
Nevertheless if you guys would like to have a poll about this, we can certainly make one.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aldaur, The United Providences Of Perland
Correction: I've applied after I made my thoughts public
Penguania And Antarctica
I've never actually heard of the NS Fair before now so I'm curious as to what it is so I'm glad we're gunna participate!
Penguania And Antarctica
At first I thought it was a bioshock esque worshiping the Founding Fathers kind of thing, and it seems that's just an exaggerated commentary on that anyway - so I was half right. It's pretty cool actually
Jaslandia, Aldaur
Hello, dudes. Wish you all a nice and relaxing Sunday. :)
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- 1506 The first contingent of 150 Swiss Guards arrives at the Vatican.
- 1555 The Ava Kingdom falls to the Taungoo Dynasty in what is now present-day Burma.
- 1689 The Convention Parliament convenes to determine whether James II and VII, the last Roman Catholic monarch of England, Ireland and Scotland, had vacated the thrones of England and Ireland when he fled to France in 1688.
- 1808 The Portuguese royal family arrives in Brazil after fleeing the French army's invasion of Portugal two months earlier.
- 1824 The Ashantis defeat British forces in the Gold Coast.
- 1863 The January Uprising breaks out in Poland, Lithuania and Belarus. The aim of the national movement is to regain PolishLithuanianRuthenian Commonwealth from occupation by Russia.
- 1889 Columbia Phonograph is formed in Washington, D.C.
- 1890 The United Mine Workers of America is founded in Columbus, Ohio.
- 1901 Edward VII is proclaimed King after the death of his mother, Queen Victoria.
- 1905 Bloody Sunday in Saint Petersburg, beginning of the 1905 revolution.
- 1906 SS Valencia runs aground on rocks on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, killing more than 130.
- 1915 Over 600 people are killed in Guadalajara, Mexico, when a train plunges off the tracks into a deep canyon.
- 1917 World War I: President Woodrow Wilson of the still-neutral United States calls for "peace without victory" in Europe.
- 1919 Act Zluky is signed, unifying the Ukrainian People's Republic and the West Ukrainian National Republic.
- 1924 Ramsay MacDonald becomes the first Labour Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
- 1927 Teddy Wakelam gives the first live radio commentary of a football match anywhere in the world, between Arsenal F.C. and Sheffield United at Highbury.
- 1941 World War II: British and Commonwealth troops capture Tobruk from Italian forces during Operation Compass.
- 1944 World War II: The Allies commence Operation Shingle, an assault on Anzio and Nettuno, Italy.
- 1946 In Iran, Qazi Muhammad declares the independent people's Republic of Mahabad at Chahar Cheragh Square in the Kurdish city of Mahabad; he becomes the new president and Haji Baba Sheikh becomes the prime minister.
- 1946 Creation of the Central Intelligence Group, forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency.
- 1947 KTLA, the first commercial television station west of the Mississippi River, begins operation in Hollywood.
- 1957 Israel withdraws from the Sinai Peninsula.
- 1957 The New York City "Mad Bomber", George P. Metesky, is arrested in Waterbury, Connecticut and charged with planting more than 30 bombs.
- 1963 The Élysée Treaty of cooperation between France and Germany is signed by Charles de Gaulle and Konrad Adenauer.
- 1968 Apollo 5 lifts off carrying the first Lunar module into space.
- 1968 Operation Igloo White, a US electronic surveillance system to stop communist infiltration into South Vietnam begins installation.
- 1970 The Boeing 747, the world's first "jumbo jet", enters commercial service for launch customer Pan American Airways with its maiden voyage from John F. Kennedy International Airport to London Heathrow Airport.
- 1971 The Singapore Declaration, one of the two most important documents to the uncodified constitution of the Commonwealth of Nations, is issued.
- 1973 The Supreme Court of the United States delivers its decisions in Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton, legalizing elective abortion in all fifty states.
- 1973 The crew of Apollo 17 addresses a joint session of Congress after the completion of the final Apollo moon landing mission.
- 1973 A chartered Boeing 707 explodes in flames upon landing at Kano Airport, Nigeria, killing 176.
- 1984 The Apple Macintosh, the first consumer computer to popularize the computer mouse and the graphical user interface, is introduced during a Super Bowl XVIII television commercial.
- 1987 Philippine security forces open fire on a crowd of 10,00015,000 demonstrators at Malacañang Palace, Manila, killing 13.
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- 1992 Space Shuttle program: Dr. Roberta Bondar becomes the first Canadian woman and the first neurologist in space.
- 1995 IsraeliPalestinian conflict: Beit Lid massacre: In central Israel, near Netanya, two Gazans blow themselves up at a military transit point, killing 19 Israelis.
- 1999 Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons are burned alive by radical Hindus while sleeping in their car in Eastern India.
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Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
If there wont be any request by more than 5 citizens for a poll, the government will be proceeding with the participation requirements.
The fair ends in January the 26th and it is already January the 22nd. We are already wasting time with these unecessary regional procedures.
I hope everyone understands our possition and the pressure of time we're facing.
It is my pleasure to inform the citizens that the organisators of the Fifth NS Fair, have accepted us and have created our regional booth in this festival.
Aldaur
Well, considering that democracy is always better with regards to FA, and we already made the precident that the public can overturn certain FA policy, I fully support having a vote regardless.
Count me as one.
There is nothing to consider here since this is a fair and not a policy itself. But, nevertheless you are counted as "one".
Well, there is, whether we attend or not would count as a policy.
We set the precedent that we can overturn FA policy through the House of Delegates. We did not set the precedent that we can demand votes on FA policy.
Jaslandia
Aye, and we aren't.
Is part of why I said that "Citizens can overturn certainFA policies" and not "I demand a vote right now"
I don't really care for this, but why do we need a vote? It's basically people reading about our region.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur
Close, but alas no. We elect those positions every even numbered year. Coming up in March however is Town Meeting day where members of the Schoolboard, Selectboard, and the Listers are elected. As well as Town Meeting.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Gentlemen, it's still a festival and not a policy itself. We can't wait for any House of Delegates gathering on this one, so you can only hope for a possible referendum. Yet again, even a referendum will be a problem, because we are already under time pressure.
I suggest being reasonable and practical on subjects like this. If you are against us attending on this inter regional festival then make it known. Or gather enough signatures for us to have a public vote.
As I recall, the original CFN was actually somewhat isolationist, so people could be feeling for that.
I'll be frank, I just think democracy should be exercised whenever possible and safe.
But it's so...meh. it's a festival we aren't going to war. Why in the hell do some people want a vote, someone explain please.
Jaslandia
So good to know I can feed off the discourse in this region too, but I'm not touching politics with a ten foot pole right now. The cheeto won by what counts as fair in our system and now that he's president, I'm really hoping for the best. We're counting on him now as our leader and if he fails, we all fail.
The only person I will still openly criticize without any caveats is Betsy Devos.
Jaslandia
^
Whether or not we attend something like this is a policy, so a referendum would be nice.
Besides, we can just make it a day long to lose the least.
It wasn't. At least when I took over FA and no one wanted votes when we created treaties with the ESU or Asylum. Those treaties are far bigger of an issue than a small festival that only helps us. No one yelled for a vote when we create embassies for our selves. I have hard time believing that not going to a festival that's basically us showing off makes us unsafe.
Jaslandia
Can we please not do this?
I don't exactly understand the fair. What will our booth consist of?
Well if you quoted me for an answer, I can only say that this is something ordinary. Progress is been made really slowly around here. In the other hand a region that is flexible and makes quick decisions is a strong standing region.
In my opinion there is no need to have a vote a HoD gathering or a referendum. It's the governments business to try its best for the citizens and this is what we're doing.
Every other talk is just baseless and useless arguments to prove nothing more but our beureocratic political system.
Nevertheless as I said, if there wont be more than 5 signatures via the RMB or Tg, we're heading for the festival and that's the end of these talks. I got no time to waste for nothing.
Was that unsafe bit in response to me? I meant safe there with regards to democracy, and I see about what you mean with the Old CFN's ministry, all I remember from then were the words being thrown around. Regardless, I would like to note that the issue still stands on whether or not we should go, and I'll always support a vote.
Latrovia
Merlinton, I can't quote everyone over and over again. I have made my cabinets position clear on this, thats why I said "gentlemen".
Our booth will be consisted on general information about the region. Such our political system, the administrations, the HoD gatherings, our culture, and then our FA in order to create some positive interactions with foreign regions.
*sigh* What have we said about double negatives?
Anyways, I really don't see the problem with the festival. If you don't wanna participate, then don't; people that do can help make the booth. Attending it does no harm to us whatsoever. I understand it's a "muh freedoms" case here, but do we really need bureaucracy to intervene in something so trivial?
Jaslandia
The words where thrown around about a NATO type deal with three other region, if it wasn't for Silver it most likely would have happened. And Lat is living proof of the treaty with his region. Point is we wasn't isolationist, If we was I would have been the worst FA minister.
If that is your logic, why not call for a vote on every decision? Instead of cherry picking.
I remember that NATO type thing. I remember trying to make a similar treaty, but it only got minimal traction.
Yeah they are very hard to do because of multiple regions being involved. I'd make another attempt, but I don't intend on staying in government any longer than I need to. I love rping now lol.
Same. I wish the conference would start, but we're waiting on Magnatronia to start.
Jaslandia
Bax <3
It's not me trying to be negative or whatsoever, it's me making myself clear over and over again about not wasting time on pointless bureaucratic procedures and making our name known to global levels.
I was saying, please don't address the region as "gentlemen". If you were only addressing a few specific people who actually are male, then okay. It's just one of those things that really irritates me on this site. It's basic public speaking skills, you shouldn't automatically dismiss part of your audience or set a standard of exclusion.
Thanks for the info though!
Magnatronia
First and foremost, because that would be annoying for people, and only important/FA votes should be routinely called for (AKA: no CFN-era Vista government)
Furthermore...I kinda have?
Like, Sul Unf and Vista were really helpful when we made the bill allowing everyone to vote on Cabinet Officials, so I kinda excersied my political rights before saying "I'm an admin, I should try to stay seperate from the system".
Hell, list an issue you want a vote for, I'll probably support it.
My target group were a couple of guys and not the entire region. I apologize if I didnt make that known at the time.
Well no, Kal. You absolutely are. You're calling for a vote which is, frankly, not really required. If people didn't like the current decision then, much like with GR, they'd go through the avenues of the HoD.
Latrovia, Continental Commonwealths
Hurrrrrry uppp [nation=short]Magnatronia[/nation] I'm going through withdraw!!! Lol
Magnatronia
Idk, I can't deal with all this "vote on everything" I belive the fathers of the US had it right when they chose to not have a direct democracy.
Merlinton, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia
First of all, we absolutely do not need a referendum here. Its a fair. Just do it.
However saying progress has been made slowly around here, kinda irks me. You say things like this, and they come of, intentionally or not as insults to this region, and our way of doing things. Its like you take pleasure in lording over us how awful our systems our. For the record, our system works just fine. If it doesn't, we fix it through laws, and amendments.
On a differnt subject. What is the new MoJ doing? Where is the constabulary? Has there been a new law code submitted to the forums? I sent the new MoJ a message two weeks ago, offering to help where I could, without breaking my vow of Judicial neutrality, for all intents and purposes I received nothing back.
Jaslandia, Oelesa
While you're right about that, I wish we could've had popular. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton would be our Presidents rather than Cowboy and Oompa Loompa
Merlinton
I never liked the electoral college. At the very least we could get rid of the winner takes all part, so millions of votes in other states don't get thrown down the drain.
Jaslandia
Well I dont think that it is necessary for your or anyone to be insulted about politics around here. If we comparr our systems with other regions which are much more effective, that is not an insult but a fact.
The reasons why I am speaking about these issues is because we need to fix them up through the proper democratic channels and tools.
As for the MoJ, I have TG him a few times myself. He has gone inactive.
A true democracy is just too damn involved, it becomes highly inconvenient and ineffective.
Elected officials should have enough common sense and understanding of regional values to make good judgments on decisions like this. For something reasonably insignificant they don't need the approval of the entire population.
Jaslandia
Thats probably better than totally eliminating it.
This is why true democracy died since the moment it was born.
Yeah, it would be just like the primaries. Where delegate get split based on how many votes you got from the citizens. Minus the Superdelegates on the Democrats side.
Oel our regional booth is already created in the faire forums.
Make sure that you register and upload some information about CFN. I will help with other articles as soon as I get myself into a pc. Mine was burned.
Except, in this context, setting one up on that avenue would require five votes "nay" to not conflict with the President.
So really, unless you've used magic to gleam that I don't even want the house of delegates involved, I said exactly what I just posited that I did.
It's still democracy. Just the representative kind, not the direct kind they had in ancient Greece.
Jaslandia
Direct democracy wasnt really used either in ancient Greece as it was hard and inneficient.
Greek guy over here. xp
Still direct democracy as the actual people voted on issues lol
So Yukona reaches 666 million people today, if any of you want to leave a goat's head on the steps of my legislature building I'll make sure Satan gets the message
Merlinton, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
The leader who made a Faustian pact all those years ago to grow Yukona's population and economy is now trembling in their boots as the Devil is coming to collect his due.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
These holidays keep getting weirder and weirder.
"Meow meow."
"George Washington."
"Meow."
"Fargo, North Dakota."
"Meow?"
"4,152."
"Meow meow meow meow meow."
"Oh, that's a tough one... I'll have to get back to you on that one."
While I know I called for a vote earlier, I even said back then that it was more of a 'just in case' kind of thing. The fact that we don't have a lot of time left, combined with the inconsequential nature of this decision, means I don't think a vote is absolutely necessary. The Foreign Affairs Department has done things without a popular vote plenty of time before, and at the end of the day, I highly doubt anyone's lives will be changed by the CFN participating in the World Fair.
That's just my five-cents.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Why is there even talk of a vote? It's not a policy decision, it's not dragging us into unholy alliances, and it's not really negatively associating us with anything completely negative. So I mean, just have at it. There's no reason to really have a vote beyond that. Like, let's just do it. There's really no consequences whatsoever for participating. So, like, let's just do it.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
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I'd like to vote to reply to this, and in turn vote on saying can we vote - I would like a 100% majority before we all proceed and anyone that would like to sleep or use the bathroom to contact the National Office of Things.
Jaslandia
200 messages later... If this was all about the World Fair and a discussion of direct democracy, I feel Unf had it right when he said:
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
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