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Nuremgard wrote:Yukona

You know this stuff better. Why did Blair have to wait until he was out of office to convert to Catholicism? Could a Catholic become PM of the UK?

I'm not Yukona, but I'll have a go.

The PM is technically allowed to be of any denomination. However the PM advices the Sovereign an all appointments, including those of ecclesiasticall offices (e.g. Archbishop of Canterburry). There is provision barring any Catholic (or non-Anglican in general I think) from providing such advise. And no Secretary could do that on the PM's (informal) behalf, because no matter denomination, they are considered to be influenced by the Carholic PM

There is however the office of Lord Chancellor, that is forbidden to be held by Catholics, so one could argue it would take that role in the event of a Catholic at Nº 10.

There is of course a lot of uncertainty, and that's why I think Blair waited

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion wrote:I'm not Yukona, but I'll have a go.

The PM is technically allowed to be of any denomination. However the PM advices the Sovereign an all appointments, including those of ecclesiasticall offices (e.g. Archbishop of Canterburry). There is provision barring any Catholic (or non-Anglican in general I think) from providing such advise. And no Secretary could do that on the PM's (informal) behalf, because no matter denomination, they are considered to be influenced by the Carholic PM

There is however the office of Lord Chancellor, that is forbidden to be held by Catholics, so one could argue it would take that role in the event of a Catholic at Nº 10.

There is of course a lot of uncertainty, and that's why I think Blair waited

Thank you for that. I didn't know Catholics weren't allowed to be Lord Chancellor. I'm not even sure what role that office serves lol

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

Cesorion wrote:I'm not Yukona, but I'll have a go.

The PM is technically allowed to be of any denomination. However the PM advices the Sovereign an all appointments, including those of ecclesiasticall offices (e.g. Archbishop of Canterburry). There is provision barring any Catholic (or non-Anglican in general I think) from providing such advise. And no Secretary could do that on the PM's (informal) behalf, because no matter denomination, they are considered to be influenced by the Carholic PM

There is however the office of Lord Chancellor, that is forbidden to be held by Catholics, so one could argue it would take that role in the event of a Catholic at Nº 10.

There is of course a lot of uncertainty, and that's why I think Blair waited

Fun fact: one of my politics lecturers is Greek.

Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

Nuremgard wrote:Fun fact: one of my politics lecturers is Greek.

Really?

Nuremgard

Cesorion wrote:Really?

Yeah. She is good.

[spoiler=Today is February 6 and today are:]

Today is February 6 and today are:

- African American Coaches Day

- Canadian Maple Syrup Day

- Constitution Day (Mexico)

- International Day of Zero Tolerance to Female Genital Mutilation (United Nations)

- National Chopsticks Day (United States)

- National Frozen Yogurt Day (United States)

- National Lame Duck Day (United States)

- Ronald Reagan Day (California, United States)

- Sami National Day (Sami People)

- Translators' Day (Armenia)

- Waitangi Day (New Zealand)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- AD60 – The earliest date for which the day of the week is known. A graffito in Pompeii identifies this day as a dies Solis (Sunday). In modern reckoning, this date would have been a Wednesday.

- 1579 – The Archdiocese of Manila was made a diocese by a papal bull with Domingo de Salazar being its first bishop.

- 1649 – The claimant King Charles II of England and Scotland is declared King of Great Britain, by the Parliament of Scotland. This move was not followed by the Parliament of England nor the Parliament of Ireland.

- 1685 – James II of England and VII of Scotland becomes King upon the death of his brother Charles II.

- 1778 – American Revolutionary War: In Paris the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Amity and Commerce are signed by the United States and France signaling official recognition of the new republic.

- 1788 – Massachusetts becomes the sixth state to ratify the United States Constitution.

- 1806 – Battle of San Domingo: British naval victory against the French in the Caribbean.

- 1815 – New Jersey grants the first American railroad charter to John Stevens.

- 1819 – Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles founds Singapore.

- 1820 – The first 86 African American immigrants sponsored by the American Colonization Society depart New York to start a settlement in present-day Liberia.

- 1833 – Otto becomes the first modern King of Greece.

- 1840 – Signing of the Treaty of Waitangi, establishing New Zealand as a British colony.

- 1843 – The first minstrel show in the United States, The Virginia Minstrels, opens (Bowery Amphitheatre in New York City).

- 1851 – The largest Australian bushfires in a populous region in recorded history take place in the state of Victoria.

- 1862 – American Civil War: Forces under the command of Ulysses S. Grant and Andrew H. Foote give the Union its first victory of the war, capturing Fort Henry, Tennessee in the Battle of Fort Henry.

- 1895 – George Herman "Babe" Ruth Jr.: Legendary professional baseball player, Babe Ruth, is born in Baltimore, Maryland. Ruth, whose career spanned 22 seasons, played sequentially for the Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees and Boston Braves.

- 1899 – Spanish–American War: The Treaty of Paris, a peace treaty between the United States and Spain, is ratified by the United States Senate.

- 1900 – The Permanent Court of Arbitration, an international arbitration court at The Hague, is created when the Senate of the Netherlands ratifies an 1899 peace conference decree.

- 1918 – British women over the age of 30 who meet minimum property qualifications, get the right to vote when Representation of the People Act 1918 is passed by Parliament.

- 1919 – The American Legion is founded.

- 1922 – The Washington Naval Treaty is signed in Washington, D.C., limiting the naval armaments of United States, Britain, Japan, France, and Italy.

- 1934 – Far-right leagues rally in front of the Palais Bourbon in an attempted coup against the French Third Republic, creating a political crisis in France.

- 1951 – The Canadian Army enters combat in the Korean War.

- 1951 – The Broker, a Pennsylvania Railroad passenger train derails near Woodbridge Township, New Jersey. The accident kills 85 people and injures over 500 more. The wreck is one of the worst rail disasters in American history.

- 1952 – Elizabeth II becomes queen regnant of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms upon the death of her father, George VI. At the exact moment of succession, she was in a tree house at the Treetops Hotel in Kenya.

- 1958 – Eight Manchester United F.C. players and 15 other passengers are killed in the Munich air disaster.

- 1959 – Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments files the first patent for an integrated circuit.

- 1959 – At Cape Canaveral, Florida, the first successful test firing of a Titan intercontinental ballistic missile is accomplished.

- 1976 – In testimony before a United States Senate subcommittee, Lockheed Corporation president Carl Kotchian admits that the company had paid out approximately $3 million in bribes to the office of Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka.

- 1978 – The Blizzard of 1978, one of the worst Nor'easters in New England history, hit the region, with sustained winds of 65 mph and snowfall of four inches an hour.

- 1981 – The National Resistance Army of Uganda launches an attack on a Ugandan Army installation in the central Mubende District to begin the Ugandan Bush War.

- 1987 – Justice Mary Gaudron becomes the first woman to be appointed to the High Court of Australia.

- 1988 – Michael Jordan makes his signature slam dunk from the free throw line inspiring Air Jordan and the Jumpman logo.

- 1989 – The Round Table Talks start in Poland, thus marking the beginning of the overthrow of communism in Eastern Europe.

- 1996 – Willamette Valley Flood: Floods in the Willamette Valley of Oregon, United States, causes over US$500 million in property damage throughout the Pacific Northwest.

- 1996 – Birgenair Flight 301 crashed off the coast of the Dominican Republic, and all 189 people inside the airplane are killed. This is the worst accident/incident involving a Boeing 757.

- 1998 – Washington National Airport is renamed Ronald Reagan National Airport.

- 2000 – Second Chechen War: Russia captures Grozny, Chechnya, forcing the separatist Chechen Republic of Ichkeria government into exile.

- 2016 – An earthquake of magnitude 6.6 strikes southern Taiwan, killing 117 people.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1665 – Anne, Queen of Great Britain

- 1748 – Adam Weishaupt, German philosopher and academic, founded the Illuminati

- 1895 – Babe Ruth, American baseball player and coach

- 1911 – Ronald Reagan, American actor and politician, 40th President of the United States

- 1913 – Mary Leakey, English-Kenyan archaeologist and anthropologist

- 1917 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, Hungarian-American actress and socialite

- 1922 – Patrick Macnee, English-American actor and costume designer

- 1929 – Colin Murdoch, New Zealand pharmacist and veterinarian, invented the tranquilliser gun

- 1929 – Pierre Brice, French actor

- 1932 – François Truffaut, French actor, director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1945 – Bob Marley, Jamaican singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1950 – Natalie Cole, American singer-songwriter and actress

- 1962 – Axl Rose, American singer-songwriter and producer

- 1966 – Rick Astley, English singer-songwriter

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Quote of the day

To be or not to be. That's not really a question.

- Jean-Luc Godard (French Director, *1930) -

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Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Minnesota Dakota, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Thank you for that. I didn't know Catholics weren't allowed to be Lord Chancellor. I'm not even sure what role that office serves lol

I must say that the UK has some offices and positions that are kinda useless. To stick with the topic: the Lord Keeper of the Great Seal has the exact same privileges and duties as the Lord Chancellor. Tho there were no more Lord Keepers since the 1700s. But the office technically still exists. Seems kinda pointless to me.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Minnesota Dakota

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I must say that the UK has some offices and positions that are kinda useless. To stick with the topic: the Lord Keeper of the Great Seal has the exact same privileges and duties as the Lord Chancellor. Tho there were no more Lord Keepers since the 1700s. But the office technically still exists. Seems kinda pointless to me.

The British (the English really) are good at being useless and pretentious like that.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Nuremgard wrote:The British (the English really) are good at being useless and pretentious like that.

An office (even if it is just ceremonial) for everyone who wants one?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Minnesota Dakota

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:An office (even if it is just ceremonial) for everyone who wants one?

I shall be Lord Duke Most High Snootiness Keeper of the Pretentious and Utterly Useless Because it's Ceremonial Purse. :P

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Nuremgard wrote:I shall be Lord Duke Most High Snootiness Keeper of the Pretentious and Utterly Useless Because it's Ceremonial Purse. :P

Well then I want to be Supreme Utmost Honourable Lord Protector of the Extraordinary and Most Noble Royal Candy and Liquor Cellars :P

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Minnesota Dakota

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Well then I want to be Supreme Utmost Honourable Lord Protector of the Extraordinary and Most Noble Royal Candy and Liquor Cellars :P

Granted!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Nuremgard wrote:Granted!

YAY!!! :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Minnesota Dakota

In the spirit of solidarity with women everywhere in Britain as we all celebrate the hundredth anniversary of female suffrage, I am going to share this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Thank you for that. I didn't know Catholics weren't allowed to be Lord Chancellor. I'm not even sure what role that office serves lol
I struggle to believe that’s true, it would be against UK discrimination laws

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:I struggle to believe that’s true, it would be against UK discrimination laws

I decided to keep my own UK but have Scotland be the dominant country.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Oh hey, I finally made another update to my scifi worldbuilding thingy

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=928302

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1649 – The claimant King Charles II of England and Scotland is declared King of Great Britain, by the Parliament of Scotland. This move was not followed by the Parliament of England nor the Parliament of Ireland.

Ah, Scotland; even back then, you just had to be the different one. No offense, Nurem. *insert smiley emoticon with tongue sticking out here*

Nuremgard wrote:I shall be Lord Duke Most High Snootiness Keeper of the Pretentious and Utterly Useless Because it's Ceremonial Purse. :P

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Well then I want to be Supreme Utmost Honourable Lord Protector of the Extraordinary and Most Noble Royal Candy and Liquor Cellars :P

Permission to declare myself 'Lord Royal High Ducal Minister for the King and Queen's Superior and Blessed Treasury of Popped Kernels and Crispy Potato Products'?

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Ah, Scotland; even back then, you just had to be the different one. No offense, Nurem. *insert smiley emoticon with tongue sticking out here*

Permission to declare myself 'Lord Royal High Ducal Minister for the King and Queen's Superior and Blessed Treasury of Popped Kernels and Crispy Potato Products'?

Aye

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Aye

Thank you, My Lord.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:The British (the English really) are good at being useless and pretentious like that.

It is alsways held by the First Minister of Scotland, to ensure they have a good place in the order of precedence

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I must say that the UK has some offices and positions that are kinda useless. To stick with the topic: the Lord Keeper of the Great Seal has the exact same privileges and duties as the Lord Chancellor. Tho there were no more Lord Keepers since the 1700s. But the office technically still exists. Seems kinda pointless to me.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion wrote:It is alsways held by the First Minister of Scotland, to ensure they have a good place in the order of precedence

Oh, well, there you go then. :P

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

Well I missed the start of Medieval RP. But I hope to get my first post in by tonight or tomorrow.

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova

Got myself a large Easter egg today when I did the online shopping. You have to be good to yourself sometimes.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Yukona

You know this stuff better. Why did Blair have to wait until he was out of office to convert to Catholicism? Could a Catholic become PM of the UK?

I dunno if anyone answered this sufficiently for you, but I read an analysis on this a long time ago and it was mostly out of personal preference and a little of public opinion maximisation. He didn't want his religion to become something newsworthy (Blair was quite a private individual) and it was recognised that the public were rather averse to openly religious public officials and he believed it would hurt his public opinion. It had nothing to do with his connection to the sovereign, Catholics are free to advise the sovereign and be in government, it is in fact only the sovereign and their heirs who cannot be Catholic.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Flynnvakia wrote:Well I missed the start of Medieval RP. But I hope to get my first post in by tonight or tomorrow.

yaaas

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion wrote:I'm not Yukona, but I'll have a go.

The PM is technically allowed to be of any denomination. However the PM advices the Sovereign an all appointments, including those of ecclesiasticall offices (e.g. Archbishop of Canterburry). There is provision barring any Catholic (or non-Anglican in general I think) from providing such advise. And no Secretary could do that on the PM's (informal) behalf, because no matter denomination, they are considered to be influenced by the Carholic PM

There is however the office of Lord Chancellor, that is forbidden to be held by Catholics, so one could argue it would take that role in the event of a Catholic at Nº 10.

There is of course a lot of uncertainty, and that's why I think Blair waited

Catholics have been able to be appointed to the office of Lord Chancellor since 1829. This was something reaffirmed in 1974 just incase anyone was confused.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:I dunno if anyone answered this sufficiently for you, but I read an analysis on this a long time ago and it was mostly out of personal preference and a little of public opinion maximisation. He didn't want his religion to become something newsworthy (Blair was quite a private individual) and it was recognised that the public were rather averse to openly religious public officials and he believed it would hurt his public opinion. It had nothing to do with his connection to the sovereign, Catholics are free to advise the sovereign and be in government, it is in fact only the sovereign and their heirs who cannot be Catholic.

I was just about to ask if you think the law should be changed to allow Catholics to succeed to the throne but as I was typing out the question, I realised how stupid it was. The monarch is head of the Church of England. Of course they cant be a Catholic. Duh. Had a blond moment there.

Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

[spoiler=Today is February 7 and today are:]

Today is February 7 and today are:

- Ballet Day

- Dump Your Significant Jerk Day

- E Day

- Independence Day (Grenada)

- National Black HIV/AIDS Awareness Day (United States)

- National Fettuccine Alfredo Day (United States)

- National Girls & Women in Sports Day (United States)

- National Periodic Table Day (United States)

- National Send a Card to a Friend Day (United States)

- National Signing Day (United States)

- Wave All Your Fingers at Your Neighbor Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0457 – Leo I the Thracian becomes emperor of the Byzantine Empire.

- 0987 – Bardas Phokas the Younger and Bardas Skleros, Byzantine generals of the military elite, begin a wide-scale rebellion against Emperor Basil II.

- 1074 – Pandulf IV of Benevento is killed battling the invading Normans at the Battle of Montesarchio.

- 1301 – Edward of Caernarvon (later king Edward II of England) becomes the first English Prince of Wales.

- 1497 – The Bonfire of the Vanities occurs, during which supporters of Girolamo Savonarola burn cosmetics, art, and books in Florence, Italy.

- 1783 – American Revolutionary War: French and Spanish forces lift the Great Siege of Gibraltar.

- 1795 – The 11th Amendment to the United States Constitution is ratified.

- 1807 – Napoleonic Wars: Napoleon finds Bennigsen's Russian forces taking a stand at Eylau. After bitter fighting, the French take the town, but the Russians resume the battle the next day.

- 1812 – The strongest in a series of earthquakes strikes New Madrid, Missouri.

- 1813 – In the action of 7 February 1813 near the Îles de Los, the frigates Aréthuse and Amelia batter each other, but neither can gain the upper hand.

- 1819 – Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles leaves Singapore after just taking it over, leaving it in the hands of William Farquhar.

- 1842 – Battle of Debre Tabor: Ras Ali Alula, Regent of the Emperor of Ethiopia defeats warlord Wube Haile Maryam of Semien.

- 1854 – A law is approved to found the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Lectures started October 16, 1855.

- 1863 – HMS Orpheus sinks off the coast of Auckland, New Zealand, killing 189.

- 1894 – The Cripple Creek miner's strike, led by the Western Federation of Miners, begins in Cripple Creek, Colorado.

- 1898 – Dreyfus affair: Émile Zola is brought to trial for libel for publishing J'accuse.

- 1900 – Second Boer War: British troops fail in their third attempt to lift the Siege of Ladysmith.

- 1904 – A fire in Baltimore, Maryland destroys over 1,500 buildings in 30 hours.

- 1907 – The Mud March is the first large procession organized by the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies (NUWSS).

- 1940 – The second full-length animated Walt Disney film, Pinocchio, premieres.

- 1943 – World War II: Imperial Japanese Navy forces complete the evacuation of Imperial Japanese Army troops from Guadalcanal during Operation Ke, ending Japanese attempts to retake the island from Allied forces in the Guadalcanal Campaign.

- 1944 – World War II: In Anzio, Italy, German forces launch a counteroffensive during the Allied Operation Shingle.

- 1951 – Korean War: More than 700 suspected communist sympathizers are massacred by South Korean forces.

- 1962 – The United States bans all Cuban imports and exports.

- 1974 – Grenada gains independence from the United Kingdom.

- 1979 – Pluto moves inside Neptune's orbit for the first time since either was discovered.

- 1984 – Space Shuttle program: STS-41-B Mission: Astronauts Bruce McCandless II and Robert L. Stewart make the first untethered space walk using the Manned Maneuvering Unit (MMU).

- 1986 – Twenty-eight years of one-family rule end in Haiti, when President Jean-Claude Duvalier flees the Caribbean nation.

- 1990 – Dissolution of the Soviet Union: The Central Committee of the Soviet Communist Party agrees to give up its monopoly on power.

- 1991 – Haiti's first democratically elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, is sworn in.

- 1991 – The Troubles: The Provisional IRA launched a mortar attack on 10 Downing Street in London, the headquarters of the British government.

- 1992 – The Maastricht Treaty is signed, leading to the creation of the European Union.

- 1995 – Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, is arrested in Islamabad, Pakistan.

- 1997 – NeXT merges with Apple Computer, starting the path to Mac OS X.

- 1999 – Crown Prince Abdullah becomes the King of Jordan on the death of his father, King Hussein.

- 2009 – Bushfires in Victoria leave 173 dead in the worst natural disaster in Australia's history.

- 2012 – President Mohamed Nasheed of the Republic of Maldives resigns, after 23 days of anti-governmental protests calling for the release of Chief Judge unlawfully arrested by the military.

- 2013 – The U.S. state of Mississippi officially certifies the Thirteenth Amendment, becoming the last state to approve the abolition of slavery. The Thirteenth Amendment was formally ratified by Mississippi in 1995.

- 2016 – North Korea launches Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 into outer space violating multiple UN treaties and prompting condemnation from around the world.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1102 – Empress Matilda, daughter of Henry I of England

- 1804 – John Deere, American blacksmith and businessman, founded Deere & Company

- 1812 – Charles Dickens, English Novelist and critic

- 1867 – Laura Ingalls Wilder, American author

- 1870 – Alfred Adler, Austrian-Scottish psychologist and therapist

- 1873 – Thomas Andrews, Irish shipbuilder and businessman, designed the RMS Titanic

- 1885 – Sinclair Lewis, American novelist, short-story writer, and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1905 – Ulf von Euler, Swedish physiologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1906 – Puyi, Chinese emperor

- 1906 – Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov, Russian engineer, founded the Antonov Aircraft Company

- 1927 – Juliette Gréco, French singer and actress

- 1954 – Dieter Bohlen German singer-songwriter and producer

- 1955 – Miguel Ferrer, American actor and director

- 1962 – Garth Brooks, American singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1962 – David Bryan, American keyboard player and songwriter

- 1966 – Kristin Otto, German swimmer

- 1978 – Ashton Kutcher, American model, actor, producer, and entrepreneur

- 1979 – Tawakkol Karman, Yemeni journalist and activist, Nobel Prize laureate

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Quote of the day

The Constitution does not just protect those whose views we share; it also protects those with whose views we disagree.

- Edward Kennedy (American Politician, 1932-2009) -

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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Mercunova, Percyton

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#Chemicalsinthewater

Lex Caledonia

A new news article has been posted, covering the rest of the visits by Prime Minister George Kirkman of Jaslandia and Premier Aleksander Coltsov of Russkov Soviet. Read all about it here!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=968733

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=33429213#p33429213

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:A new news article has been posted, covering the rest of the visits by Prime Minister George Kirkman of Jaslandia and Premier Aleksander Coltsov of Russkov Soviet. Read all about it here!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=968733

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=33429213#p33429213

George Kirkman: Thank you again for your hospitality, Percy. I really, REALLY enjoyed my visit to Percyton; I had dreamed of going to Sodor since I was a kid, and it was everything I imagined it to be. I hope this visit can lead to closer diplomatic relations between our two nations, and with any luck, I'll come back for another visit someday.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:George Kirkman: Thank you again for your hospitality, Percy. I really, REALLY enjoyed my visit to Percyton; I had dreamed of going to Sodor since I was a kid, and it was everything I imagined it to be. I hope this visit can lead to closer diplomatic relations between our two nations, and with any luck, I'll come back for another visit someday.

The pleasure was ours, Mr. Kirkman. We think this visit went really well, and we'd love for you to come back at some point!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Possible debate topic: does corporatism and/or fascism (the latter strictly referring to the isolated ideology, not to synonymous organisations such as the Nazi Party and their deplorable activities) have a place in modern and post modern politics?

Nuremgard, Cesorion

Yukona wrote:Possible debate topic: does corporatism and/or fascism (the latter strictly referring to the isolated ideology, not to synonymous organisations such as the Nazi Party and their deplorable activities) have a place in modern and post modern politics?

Noooooooooooo

No

Axeldonia wrote:Noooooooooooo

No

Utle mulle miks?

Jaslandia wrote:George Kirkman: Thank you again for your hospitality, Percy. I really, REALLY enjoyed my visit to Percyton; I had dreamed of going to Sodor since I was a kid, and it was everything I imagined it to be. I hope this visit can lead to closer diplomatic relations between our two nations, and with any luck, I'll come back for another visit someday.

I agree Comrade Kirkman. This visit was one of the best I've seen in a long time. I dare say that our diplomatic ties between all three of our nations has grown stronger than ever before! And I do make trips over there monthly, sometimes in disguise to avoid the press, so you are more than welcome to join me. I will fly over to your capital and pick you up, for I've outfitted Mare Force One with enough accommodations for two leaders.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Yukona wrote:Possible debate topic: does corporatism and/or fascism (the latter strictly referring to the isolated ideology, not to synonymous organisations such as the Nazi Party and their deplorable activities) have a place in modern and post modern politics?

As much as fascism has a bad rep, it actually has a lot of pretty good ideas. Such as fostering class co-operation rather than class conflict. It extols fostering national unity and acting in the interests of the nation, rather than rabid individualism or mindless collectivism. Fascism, in its purest form, is supposed to be a middle ground between the excesses of capitalism and communism. If it was implemented properly and in a democratic fashion, I think it could achieve some good.

But naturally, humans f*ck things up so with fascism comes the accompanying corruption and authoritarianism.

Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:As much as fascism has a bad rep, it actually has a lot of pretty good ideas. Such as fostering class co-operation rather than class conflict. It extols fostering national unity and acting in the interests of the nation, rather than rabid individualism or mindless collectivism. Fascism, in its purest form, is supposed to be a middle ground between the excesses of capitalism and communism. If it was implemented properly and in a democratic fashion, I think it could achieve some good.

But naturally, humans f*ck things up so with fascism comes the accompanying corruption and authoritarianism.

oh gee Nurem's advocating fascism guess it's time to CTE

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:oh gee Nurem's advocating fascism guess it's time to CTE

I'm not advocating it. I'm just saying it's not bereft of decent ideas.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Spanelsko.

Yukona wrote:Possible debate topic: does corporatism (i) and/or fascism (ii) (the latter strictly referring to the isolated ideology, not to synonymous organisations such as the Nazi Party and their deplorable activities) have a place in modern and post modern politics?

(i) Well, it already does. According to Vetriutan 2, the average (european) Social Democrat, is corporatist. More moderate than the average fascist corporatist, but still. I have not studied the system well enough to say if it works

(ii) As Nurem said, obviously pure fascism is not by nature conmected with totalitarianism. But in the way humans do everyting, I would say no

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:As much as fascism has a bad rep, it actually has a lot of pretty good ideas. Such as fostering class co-operation rather than class conflict. It extols fostering national unity and acting in the interests of the nation, rather than rabid individualism or mindless collectivism. Fascism, in its purest form, is supposed to be a middle ground between the excesses of capitalism and communism. If it was implemented properly and in a democratic fashion, I think it could achieve some good.

But naturally, humans f*ck things up so with fascism comes the accompanying corruption and authoritarianism.

I dunno... Fascism is by it's nature VERY authoritarian, what with the need of a dictatorial strongman and paramiltiary units patrolling the streets, so I'm not very fond of it. As a gay space hippie, I think any form of left or right authoritarianism is very likely to descend into opressive dictatorships and I'm not very fond of the whole "acting in the interest of the nation" thing either. It's not that I think it's wrong to apprechiate your particular culture (especially so with regard to minorites like the Breton or Gaugaz), but it veeery often turns into racism, discrimination or even outright war (See imperialism, forced anglofication of ireland, crimea and virtually all of the 19th century.)

Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:I dunno... Fascism is by it's nature VERY authoritarian, what with the need of a dictatorial strongman and paramiltiary units patrolling the streets, so I'm not very fond of it. As a gay space hippie, I think any form of left or right authoritarianism is very likely to descend into opressive dictatorships and I'm not very fond of the whole "acting in the interest of the nation" thing either. It's not that I think it's wrong to apprechiate your particular culture (especially so with regard to minorites like the Breton or Gaugaz), but it veeery often turns into racism, discrimination or even outright war (See imperialism, forced anglofication of ireland, crimea and virtually all of the 19th century.)

That's what scares me about fascism. As a minority, I'd most likely be persecuted for not fitting into the hypermasculine fascist ideal man. I find the ideology fascinating but as a gay leftist, I have a natural repugnance for it. Then again, I would hope anyone who considers themselves reasonable, whether left or right, would be repulsed by fascism.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Cesorion wrote:(i) Well, it already does. According to Vetriutan 2, the average (european) Social Democrat, is corporatist. More moderate than the average fascist corporatist, but still. I have not studied the system well enough to say if it works

(ii) As Nurem said, obviously pure fascism is not by nature conmected with totalitarianism. But in the way humans do everyting, I would say no

What should the EU do, if anything, if a fully fledged fascist party took power in one of its member states?

Post self-deleted by Spanelsko.

Yukona wrote:Possible debate topic: does corporatism and/or fascism (the latter strictly referring to the isolated ideology, not to synonymous organisations such as the Nazi Party and their deplorable activities) have a place in modern and post modern politics?

Perhaps in a modified and/or disguised form yes, but directly in their original forms, I'd say no. The lessons of World War II, plus democracy's fairly entrenched status in most of the Western world, means that any would-be fascists or corporatists would need to change their rhetoric and/or tactics in order to gain any mainstream appeal. The end result could still be very similar to original fascism/corporatism, but the methods to get there would have to change.

Of course, that's just what I think would happen, not something that I believe should happen.

Nuremgard wrote:As much as fascism has a bad rep, it actually has a lot of pretty good ideas. Such as fostering class co-operation rather than class conflict. It extols fostering national unity and acting in the interests of the nation, rather than rabid individualism or mindless collectivism. Fascism, in its purest form, is supposed to be a middle ground between the excesses of capitalism and communism. If it was implemented properly and in a democratic fashion, I think it could achieve some good.

Aren't 'fascist' and 'democratic' essentially opposites?

Russkov Soviet wrote:I agree Comrade Kirkman. This visit was one of the best I've seen in a long time. I dare say that our diplomatic ties between all three of our nations has grown stronger than ever before! And I do make trips over there monthly, sometimes in disguise to avoid the press, so you are more than welcome to join me. I will fly over to your capital and pick you up, for I've outfitted Mare Force One with enough accommodations for two leaders.

George Kirkman: Your offer is very much appreciated, Premier, and I would love to do that. Perhaps not next time, as I'm currently planning a state visit with Cesorion, but the time after that I would like to join you on a Percytonian trip. We make a good team, I'd say.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:What should the EU do, if anything, if a fully fledged fascist party took power in one of its member states?

if we think about it the logical way, EU would: embargo them, send them warnings of kicking them from EU, once the EU army is made invade them and take control.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:That's what scares me about fascism. As a minority, I'd most likely be persecuted for not fitting into the hypermasculine fascist ideal man. I find the ideology fascinating but as a gay leftist, I have a natural repugnance for it. Then again, I would hope anyone who considers themselves reasonable, whether left or right, would be repulsed by fascism.

Yeah, I share your sentiments. It's hard enought to be LGBT and leftist in as is.

Nuremgard wrote:What should the EU do, if anything, if a fully fledged fascist party took power in one of its member states?

If all else fails (sanctions, article 7 etc.), I'd guess military action would be taken. Most probably by it's neighbours, but the whole EU may very well pitch in. Hopefully Europe has learned from the last two world wars to never trust fascists.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:What should the EU do, if anything, if a fully fledged fascist party took power in one of its member states?

Not sure. Just because it's fascist, nothing. (If it is democratically elected). But most probably it would give many reasons for sanctions, military actions, etc

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Kalaron

Spanelsko wrote:if we think about it the logical way, EU would: embargo them, send them warnings of kicking them from EU, once the EU army is made invade them and take control.

An EU Army wouldn't be made.

Axeldonia wrote:Yeah, I share your sentiments. It's hard enought to be LGBT and leftist in as is.

If all else fails (sanctions, article 7 etc.), I'd guess military action would be taken. Most probably by it's neighbours, but the whole EU may very well pitch in. Hopefully Europe has learned from the last two world wars to never trust fascists.

It really depends. One could honestly say that very same about appeasement in general but it hasn't stopped anyone yet.

If the fascists refrained from doing overtly hostile things, they have a good chance to not be invaded, IMO.

Why does nobody do a state visit to Penguania? :(

Jaslandia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Why does nobody do a state visit to Penguania? :(

Are you interested?

PM Howard is interested

Jaslandia, Percyton

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- Dry Bean Day

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- Feast of Saint Vartan (Armenia)

- Laugh and Get Rich Day

- Molasses Bar Day

- National Boy Scouts Day (United States)

- National Iowa Day (United States)

- National Kite Flying Day (United States)

- Opera Day

- Prešeren Day (Slovenia)

- Propose Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0421 – Constantius III becomes co-Emperor of the Western Roman Empire.

- 1238 – The Mongols burn the Russian city of Vladimir.

- 1250 – Seventh Crusade: Crusaders engage Ayyubid forces in the Battle of Al Mansurah.

- 1347 – The Byzantine civil war of 1341–47 ends with a power-sharing agreement between John VI Kantakouzenos and John V Palaiologos.

- 1575 – Leiden University is founded, and given the motto Praesidium Libertatis.

- 1587 – Mary, Queen of Scots, is executed on suspicion of having been involved in the Babington Plot to murder her cousin, Queen Elizabeth I.

- 1590 – Luis de Carabajal the younger is tortured by the Inquisition in Mexico City.

- 1601 – Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, rebels against Queen Elizabeth I and the revolt is quickly crushed.

- 1693 – The College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, is granted a charter by King William III and Queen Mary II.

- 1807 – After two days of bitter fighting, the Russians under Bennigsen and the Prussians under L'Estocq concede the Battle of Eylau to Napoleon.

- 1817 – Las Heras crosses the Andes with an army to join San Martín and liberate Chile from Spain.

- 1837 – Richard Johnson becomes the first Vice President of the United States chosen by the United States Senate.

- 1865 – Delaware refuses to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Slavery was outlawed in the United States, including Delaware, when the Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on December 6, 1865. Delaware ratified the Thirteenth Amendment on February 12, 1901, which was the ninety-second anniversary of the birth of Abraham Lincoln.

- 1879 – Sandford Fleming first proposes adoption of Universal Standard Time at a meeting of the Royal Canadian Institute.

- 1879 – The England cricket team led by Lord Harris is attacked during a riot during a match in Sydney.

- 1885 – The first government-approved Japanese immigrants arrived in Hawaii.

- 1887 – The Dawes Act authorizes the President of the United States to survey Native American tribal land and divide it into individual allotments.

- 1904 – Battle of Port Arthur: A surprise torpedo attack by the Japanese at Port Arthur, China starts the Russo-Japanese War.

- 1904 – Aceh War: Dutch Colonial Army's Marechaussee regiment led by General G.C.E. van Daalen launch military campaign to capture Gayo Highland, Alas Highland, and Batak Highland in Dutch East Indies' Northern Sumatra region, which ends with genocide to Acehnese and Bataks people.

- 1910 – The Boy Scouts of America is incorporated by William D. Boyce.

- 1915 – D. W. Griffith's controversial film The Birth of a Nation premieres in Los Angeles.

- 1922 – United States President Warren G. Harding introduces the first radio set in the White House.

- 1924 – Capital punishment: The first state execution in the United States by gas chamber takes place in Nevada.

- 1942 – World War II: Japan invades Singapore.

- 1942 – World War II: Dutch Colonial Army General Destruction Unit (AVC, Algemene Vernielings Corps) burns Banjarmasin, South Borneo to avoid Japanese capture.

- 1945 – World War II: The United Kingdom and Canada commence Operation Veritable to occupy the west bank of the Rhine.

- 1945 – World War II: Mikhail Devyataev escapes with nine other Soviet inmates from a Nazi concentration camp in Peenemünde on the island of Usedom by hijacking the camp commandant's Heinkel He 111.

- 1946 – The first portion of the Revised Standard Version of the Bible, the first serious challenge to the popularity of the Authorized King James Version, is published.

- 1950 – The Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, is established.

- 1952 – Elizabeth II is proclaimed Queen of the United Kingdom.

- 1955 – The Government of Sindh, Pakistan, abolishes the Jagirdari system in the province. One million acres (4000 km2) of land thus acquired is to be distributed among the landless peasants.

- 1960 – Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom issues an Order-in-Council, stating that she and her family would be known as the House of Windsor, and that her descendants will take the name Mountbatten-Windsor.

- 1962 – Charonne massacre. Nine trade unionists are killed by French police at the instigation of Nazi collaborator Maurice Papon, then chief of the Paris Prefecture of Police.

- 1963 – Travel, financial and commercial transactions by United States citizens to Cuba are made illegal by the John F. Kennedy administration.

- 1963 – The regime of Prime Minister of Iraq, Brigadier General Abd al-Karim Qasim is overthrown by the Ba'ath Party.

- 1965 – Eastern Air Lines Flight 663 crashes into the Atlantic Ocean and explodes, killing everyone aboard.

- 1968 – American civil rights movement: The Orangeburg massacre: An attack on black students from South Carolina State University who are protesting racial segregation at the town's only bowling alley, leaves three or four dead in Orangeburg, South Carolina.

- 1971 – The NASDAQ stock market index opens for the first time.

- 1971 – South Vietnamese ground troops launch an incursion into Laos to try to cut off the Ho Chi Minh trail and stop communist infiltration.

- 1974 – After 84 days in space, the crew of Skylab 4, the last crew to visit American space station Skylab, returns to Earth.

- 1978 – Proceedings of the United States Senate are broadcast on radio for the first time.

- 1981 – Twenty-one association football spectators are trampled to death at Karaiskakis Stadium in Neo Faliro, Greece, after a football match between Olympiacos F.C. and AEK Athens F.C.

- 1983 – The Melbourne dust storm hits Australia's second largest city. The result of the worst drought on record and a day of severe weather conditions, a 320 metres (1,050 ft) deep dust cloud envelops the city, turning day to night.

- 1986 – Hinton train collision: Twenty-three people are killed when a VIA Rail passenger train collides with a 118-car Canadian National freight train near the town of Hinton, Alberta, west of Edmonton. It is the worst rail accident in Canada until the Lac-Mégantic, Quebec derailment in 2013 which killed forty-seven people.

- 1989 – Independent Air Flight 1851 strikes Pico Alto mountain while on approach to Santa Maria Airport (Azores) killing all 144 passengers on board.

- 1993 – General Motors sues NBC after Dateline NBC allegedly rigs two crashes intended to demonstrate that some GM pickups can easily catch fire if hit in certain places. NBC settles the lawsuit the next day.

- 1996 – The U.S. Congress passes the Communications Decency Act.

- 2005 – Sri Lankan Civil War: Sri Lankan Tamil politician and former MP A. Chandranehru dies of injuries sustained in an ambush the previous day.

- 2010 – A freak storm in the Hindu Kush mountains of Afghanistan triggers a series of at least 36 avalanches, burying over two miles of road, killing at least 172 people and trapping over 2,000 travelers.

- 2013 – A blizzard disrupts transportation and leaves hundreds of thousands of people without electricity in the Northeastern United States and parts of Canada.

- 2014 – A hotel fire in Medina, Saudi Arabia kills 15 Egyptian pilgrims with 130 others injured.

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Famous Birthdays:

- 1700 – Daniel Bernoulli, Dutch-Swiss mathematician and physicist

- 1828 – Jules Verne, French author, poet, and playwright

- 1834 – Dmitri Mendeleev, Russian chemist and academic, invented the periodic table

- 1843 – Eduard Sacher, Austrian restaurateur and hotelier

- 1878 – Martin Buber, Austrian-Israeli philosopher and academic

- 1880 – Franz Marc, German soldier and painter

- 1906 – Chester Carlson, American physicist and lawyer, invented Xerography

- 1925 – Jack Lemmon, American actor

- 1931 – James Dean, American actor

- 1932 – John Williams, American pianist, composer, and conductor

- 1937 – Manfred Krug, German actor, singer and author

- 1941 – Nick Nolte, American actor and producer

- 1955 – John Grisham, American lawyer and author

- 1966 – Hristo Stoichkov, Bulgarian footballer and manager

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Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Mercunova, Percyton

Cesorion wrote:Are you interested?

PM Howard is interested

Well, I would be interested. Tho I do not want to force any action if you do not want.

Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Why does nobody do a state visit to Penguania? :(

Jaslandia and Prince Regent Jason would be interested in that at some point. It wold be very cold, but it'd be worth it for an important and friendly nation like Penguania.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Well, I would be interested. Tho I do not want to force any action if you do not want.

What good is it going out of the country for only one state visit. I'll mention it tomorrow alongside pland to visit Jaslandia

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Why does nobody do a state visit to Penguania? :(

I would love to visit myself, but I'm not sure if there are any railway tracks in Penguania. If not, I can send Sir Topham Hatt and Lord Callan instead, and I can visit electronically (set up a webcam in my shed, the live video will go to a laptop, and that laptop would go to Penguania with Sir Topham Hatt and Lord Callan).

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion

Axeldonia

Spanelsko

Jaslandia

Thanks for your responses. Sorry for taking ages to reply. I was having dinner and then got wrapped up in a call on WattsApp with my sister and mum.

I am for the EU and for integration but I dunno how I feel about a common EU foreign policy and army. I can see the pros and cons of both.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:An EU Army wouldn't be made.

It really depends. One could honestly say that very same about appeasement in general but it hasn't stopped anyone yet.

If the fascists refrained from doing overtly hostile things, they have a good chance to not be invaded, IMO.

Remembers reading article of how some german general says that European Army is ´´inevitable´´ gets told that it will never happen, what should i trust?

Nuremgard wrote:Cesorion

Axeldonia

Spanelsko

Jaslandia

Thanks for your responses. Sorry for taking ages to reply. I was having dinner and then got wrapped up in a call on WattsApp with my sister and mum.

I am for the EU and for integration but I dunno how I feel about a common EU foreign policy and army. I can see the pros and cons of both.

didnt EU recently declare that it plans to stop trading with America if they dont continue with the Paris agreement? Also EU must die.

Spanelsko wrote:didnt EU recently declare that it plans to stop trading with America if they dont continue with the Paris agreement? Also EU must die.

Haven't heard anything like that.

In response to EU must die:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Haven't heard anything like that.

In response to EU must die:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0

Response to your video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etNRoqqHFMY

Nuremgard wrote:Cesorion

Axeldonia

Spanelsko

Jaslandia

Thanks for your responses. Sorry for taking ages to reply. I was having dinner and then got wrapped up in a call on WattsApp with my sister and mum.

I am for the EU and for integration but I dunno how I feel about a common EU foreign policy and army. I can see the pros and cons of both.

I dunno, I hope an EU would actually make the situation for different nationalities better in the long run tbh if individual sovereignty was abolished. I'd imagine Scotland would get to be their own administrative thing (provided it stays inside the EU) along with the Basque counties, Catalonia, Brittany etc. and maybe even get elevated to the same status as the former nations eventually. But that's just me speculating out loud. Of course, this would also require a much more transparent EU government and whatnot. Idk if I've said this, but I'm what you'd call a light Eurosceptic; not opposed to the EU as an institution, but believeing it needs more work.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:Remembers reading article of how some german general says that European Army is ´´inevitable´´ gets told that it will never happen, what should i trust?

...

Me probably, since you're talking about Hans-Peter Bartels, a defense official but not a general by any respect. Of course, I would love to see the cost estimate of a true army that isn't actually just NATO-but-the-EU but I digress, it won't happen simply on the basis of cost. A combined army of Europe sure does look cheap and marketable, but good luck getting the major powers to actually agree on a single vehicle since the French and Germans both have their own MIC :>

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Kalaron wrote:...

Me probably, since you're talking about Hans-Peter Bartels, a defense official but not a general by any respect. Of course, I would love to see the cost estimate of a true army that isn't actually just NATO-but-the-EU but I digress, it won't happen simply on the basis of cost. A combined army of Europe sure does look cheap and marketable, but good luck getting the major powers to actually agree on a single vehicle since the French and Germans both have their own MIC :>

It was long time ago since i read it so i didnt exactly remember :p As for major powers i think that Germany and France could easily agree now that Britain is out and the opinion of V4 doesnt matter.

i am the only one here that actually supports fall of EU aren´t i?

Spanelsko wrote:Response to your video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etNRoqqHFMY

The EU must be doing something right. To leftists it's a corporate wanksock and to rightists it's the EUSSR.

Axeldonia wrote:I dunno, I hope an EU would actually make the situation for different nationalities better in the long run tbh if individual sovereignty was abolished. I'd imagine Scotland would get to be their own administrative thing (provided it stays inside the EU) along with the Basque counties, Catalonia, Brittany etc. and maybe even get elevated to the same status as the former nations eventually. But that's just me speculating out loud. Of course, this would also require a much more transparent EU government and whatnot. Idk if I've said this, but I'm what you'd call a light Eurosceptic; not opposed to the EU as an institution, but believeing it needs more work.

I don't think the EU will ever become one state. Nationalism in Europe is too strong for that to happen. Unless humanity has some kind of Damascene conversion and begins believing that nation-states are an outdated idea, then there will be no superstate.

Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:It was long time ago since i read it so i didnt exactly remember :p As for major powers i think that Germany and France could easily agree now that Britain is out and the opinion of V4 doesnt matter.

Nope, that would utterly destroy the MIC of one and neither France (Notice how it uses domestic vehicles?) or Germany (Notice how they make domestic vehicles and sell them all over the world?) would agree to that. Maybe if that tank design agreement doesn't get politically undercut they could be a touch closer, but for a true army (With standardized equipment) you're off the money.

Funny enough, that's the other aspect. This would cost ridiculous amounts of money tbh. Good luck getting politicians to agree to that.

Kalaron wrote:Nope, that would utterly destroy the MIC of one and neither France (Notice how it uses domestic vehicles?) or Germany (Notice how they make domestic vehicles and sell them all over the world?) would agree to that. Maybe if that tank design agreement doesn't get politically undercut they could be a touch closer, but for a true army (With standardized equipment) you're off the money.

Funny enough, that's the other aspect. This would cost ridiculous amounts of money tbh. Good luck getting politicians to agree to that.

While i agree with what you say i also believe in the stupidity of EU politicans, i used to like EU, now i want it to die as soon as possible, while the cost of all the equipment would be great i am sure that the politicians are stupid enough for that to happen. But i should stop posting right? no one wants another pointless debate where both sides wont back down.

Nuremgard wrote:The EU must be doing something right. To leftists it's a corporate wanksock and to rightists it's the EUSSR.

I don't think the EU will ever become one state. Nationalism in Europe is too strong for that to happen. Unless humanity has some kind of Damascene conversion and begins believing that nation-states are an outdated idea, then there will be no superstate.

Plz gimme the EUSSR

Anyhow, you're probably right unfortunately. Oh well, you can dream. I do hope a federal Scandinavia becomes a thing within my lifetime though.

Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:Plz gimme the EUSSR

Anyhow, you're probably right unfortunately. Oh well, you can dream. I do hope a federal Scandinavia becomes a thing within my lifetime though.

Why Scandinavia specifically?

Spanelsko wrote:While i agree with what you say i also believe in the stupidity of EU politicans, i used to like EU, now i want it to die as soon as possible, while the cost of all the equipment would be great i am sure that the politicians are stupid enough for that to happen. But i should stop posting right? no one wants another pointless debate where both sides wont back down.

Except it's not a stupid thing. The European Army would be intrinsically more effective than any disparate army, it would be more effective at absorbing losses, providing higher quality gear, and would serve to be, in a word, better.

The part where politicians are stupid is cost, not capability. They squander the future in favor of the short-term and political favor, and in doing so would never support a true picture of the cost of an EU-Army formed from the armies of Europe except as a glorified coalition. That's the simple fact of the matter, really. No one wants to raise taxes for defense, but even this would require the levying of additional taxes.

Peace-Dividends had honestly had a negative effect upon the west.

Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Why Scandinavia specifically?

Cuz I'm a Scandinavist, duh

Kalaron wrote:Except it's not a stupid thing. The European Army would be intrinsically more effective than any disparate army, it would be more effective at absorbing losses, providing higher quality gear, and would serve to be, in a word, better.

The part where politicians are stupid is cost, not capability. They squander the future in favor of the short-term and political favor, and in doing so would never support a true picture of the cost of an EU-Army formed from the armies of Europe except as a glorified coalition. That's the simple fact of the matter, really. No one wants to raise taxes for defense, but even this would require the levying of additional taxes.

Peace-Dividends had honestly had a negative effect upon the west.

Not to mention the vassal unrest modifiers and negative prestige hit.

Spanelsko

Axeldonia wrote:Cuz I'm a Scandinavist, duh

Not to mention the vassal unrest modifiers and negative prestige hit.

500% over extension hit. with 30% religious Unity, it will fall to so many rebels, not to mention all the culture minuses. i dont think that even humanists ideas can save us....

Axeldonia

Axeldonia wrote:Cuz I'm a Scandinavist, duh

Not to mention the vassal unrest modifiers and negative prestige hit.

I didn't know that was a thing lol

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:I didn't know that was a thing lol

Our flags look alike for a reason :P

Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:Our flags look alike for a reason :P

You mean Nuremgard's and Axeldonia's flags?

Axeldonia

Axeldonia wrote:Cuz I'm a Scandinavist, duh

Finally, a decent political ideology coming out of your digital mouth

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:You mean Nuremgard's and Axeldonia's flags?

Think about where Axel's from

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Think about where Axel's from

I have a memory like a goldfish. You'll need to remind me.

Nuremgard wrote:I have a memory like a goldfish. You'll need to remind me.

Sweden, which is part of what region?

Axeldonia

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Sweden, which is part of what region?

Ah, right, right. Apologies, Axel.

Axeldonia

Yee

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=33433798#p33433798

Jaslandia, Percyton

Its been a long time since I was on the RMB, time to get back into the swing of things.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Its been a long time since I was on the RMB, time to get back into the swing of things.

Your NS brethren welcome you back.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Cesorion wrote:(ii) As Nurem said, obviously pure fascism is not by nature connected with totalitarianism. But in the way humans do everything, I would say no

I would disagree with you. By nature, fascism is inherently totalitarian, and this is because of the fascist idea of the organic state. The organic theory states that the state is essentially a living organism with the same needs of a living organism. With that in mind, fascists tend to pursue totalitarianism to protect the living organism that is the state for the sake of its function, health, and development.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Yukona

Vista Major wrote:Finally, a decent political ideology coming out of your digital mouth

>Implying that workers owning the means of production through representation in horizontally-organized trade unions is somehow a bad thing

Don't be sectarian, Vista.

Nuremgard, Vista Major, Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:I would disagree with you. By nature, fascism is inherently totalitarian, and this is because of the fascist idea of the organic state. The organic theory states that the state is essentially a living organism with the same needs of a living organism. With that in mind, fascists tend to pursue totalitarianism to protect the living organism that is the state for the sake of its function, health, and development.

What's interesting is that fascism takes on different forms depending on its host country. So if Britain had fascists, they'd be fiercely monarchist, fiercely Protestant and probably want to centralise all power at Westminster. They'd probably also want to re-establish the empire.

Jaslandia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:>Implying that workers owning the means of production through representation in horizontally-organized trade unions is somehow a bad thing

Don't be sectarian, Vista.

I didn't mean to imply.

It's just that 99% of what I see him talk about revolves around syndicalism or revolution against the monosexual class

Nuremgard wrote:What's interesting is that fascism takes on different forms depending on its host country. So if Britain had fascists, they'd be fiercely monarchist, fiercely Protestant and probably want to centralise all power at Westminster. They'd probably also want to re-establish the empire.

Ask any scholar what fascism is and each one of them will give you a different answer. That's the hardest part about studying fascism. Nobody really knows what it is. It is either an ideology with diverse different interpretations for it or is simply a way for demagogues to gain power.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:I didn't mean to imply.

It's just that 99% of what I see him talk about revolves around syndicalism or revolution against the monosexual class

The latter is likely just him being silly, but I don't see any problem with the former. What's your problem with syndicalism? It's especially strange for a socialist like you to oppose an economic system in which the workers own the means of production through representation in horizontally-organized trade unions.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:Ask any scholar what fascism is and each one of them will give you a different answer. That's the hardest part about studying fascism. Nobody really knows what it is. It is either an ideology with diverse different interpretations for it or is simply a way for demagogues to gain power.

It does share common characteristics regardless of country though. Ultranationalism, one-party dictatorship, strongman dictator, focus on military power, the desire to regain lost glory or a glorious past, aggressive foreign policy, discrimination of minorities that don't fit the organic state.

Jaslandia, Vetriutan 2

Vetriutan 2 wrote:The latter is likely just him being silly, but I don't see any problem with the former. What's your problem with syndicalism? It's especially strange for a socialist like you to oppose an economic system in which the workers own the means of production through representation in horizontally-organized trade unions.

I'd rather not have unions act as middle men when, really, the workers could just own the businesses directly. I don't oppose unions, but, in all honesty, we could use that final push.

Nuremgard wrote:It does share common characteristics regardless of country though. Ultranationalism, one-party dictatorship, strongman dictator, focus on military power, the desire to regain lost glory or a glorious past, aggressive foreign policy, discrimination of minorities that don't fit the organic state.

But what that means in practice largely differs country by country.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona

Vetriutan 2 wrote:But what that means in practice largely differs country by country.

True. Mussolini wanted to remake the Roman Empire, Franco wanted to reclaim Spain's glorious imperial past. Hitler...was just a nutter.

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:I'd rather not have unions act as middle men when, really, the workers could just own the businesses directly. I don't oppose unions, but, in all honesty, we could use that final push.

There is no reason for the left to become divided on such small issues. If monarchists, neoreactionaries, and fascists on the right can come together through the alt-right, then there is no reason for the same thing to not happen among different contingencies among the left. That doesn't mean that debate shouldn't be allowed, but we should really tone down on the sectarianism.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Your NS brethren welcome you back.

Good to know, now that I can restart with a hopefully clean slate after my terrorist spree.

Nuremgard

Vetriutan 2 wrote:There is no reason for the left to become divided on such small issues. If monarchists, neoreactionaries, and fascists on the right can come together through the alt-right, then there is no reason for the same thing to not happen among different contingencies among the left. That doesn't mean that debate shouldn't be allowed, but we should really tone down on the sectarianism.

This is why the right is winning. They despise each other but they unify to stay in power. The left is too busy splintering into smaller and smaller sects over stupid issues.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Good to know, now that I can restart with a hopefully clean slate after my terrorist spree.

Let bygones be bygones.

Nuremgard wrote:True. Mussolini wanted to remake the Roman Empire, Franco wanted to reclaim Spain's glorious imperial past. Hitler...was just a nutter.

I wouldn't consider Spain under Franco to have been fascist. While the Falangists were an influential political force in Spain under him, Franco only worked with Fascists during and after the civil war to create a political coalition with clericalists in Spain to fight Spanish republicans and the Spanish left. Under him, the most fascist thing that he did was some credit reforms that went under the name "National Syndicalism". Franco is more of your average dictator than an actual fascist. If you want to know more about Spanish fascism, then reading some of the works of José Antonio Primo de Rivera would be pretty good.

Nuremgard

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