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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Pff
we'll just get the norwegians and danes in on this
about time we reestablish the danelaw while we're at it
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
I'll give you Denmark as well.
Hey, I wouldn't mind being ruled by the Scandinavians. They're doing pretty well for themselves.
Axeldonia
I will give you Iceland. I don't know much about Switzerland or Estonia though so cant comment on them.
Ayyyy
Scandinavian protectorate of britain when
Nuremgard
Nah, just Scotland. England likes the Tories too much. I mean, they think Corbyn is a Marxist. They probably think the Scandi countries are full blown commie hellholes. All that equality and fairness. The horror!
It's always the same. "I like Germany but ...."
Mercunova
Not me. If I had to move to Europe I'd go to Germany. Or Switzerland. But probably germany.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard
Considering my families ancestors were British... I'd move to Scotland/Ireland or perhaps Germany. Maybe Russia.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
If you move to Scotland before our next ref, make sure you vote Yes!
Russkov Soviet
I wouldn't move to Great Britain.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard
If I was an outsider, neither would I.
Mercunova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNHamTwxJ6Q
Not ever going to. Met too many c*nts and t*at s from England.
Nuremgard
Scotland has c*nts and twats too but not as many as England. And I don't say that just because I think Scots are less c*nty than the English, it's a fact because England has a bigger population. Therefore, it will numerically have more c*nts and twats in it than Scotland. One only needs to look at the Tory vote down there to see what I mean.
Russkov Soviet
Were not America thank you
Many English have become Americanised via politics. There are people down there who actually believe Corbyn is a raving Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Socialist-Communist madman who will put them into gulags when he gets into power.
They do do they?
Aye. It's why, even after a disastrous campaign at the snap election, that old cow May is still in office.
if only
Less Tories, the better.
Axeldonia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sxAnejb9bs
And the less Blairites, the better.
Nuremgard
England will need a genuine left-wing Labour Party once/if Scotland leaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Labour_Publications
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)
But would the English vote for such a party in great enough numbers? I suspect not.
Why?
Tory policies are too popular down there. And Blair had to effectively Toryfy the Labour Party in order to make it electable down south.
I think the younger generation is going to change that. By your logic, Corbyn would've been unelectable.
If he was so electable, he'd have kicked May out on her arse at the snap election. Especially since her campaign was hopelessly and ridiculously incompetent. If Corbyn cant win against perhaps the worst government in living memory, what will it take for the English to finally boot the Tories out?
He was still able to make it so that the Tories lost their majority. That's a miracle when you consider how the UK has been under the Tories for close a decade now.
This is simply not true. A lot of the people who vote Conservatives are not Tories. My parents have been mainly Labour, but have occasionally voted Conservative if the previous Labour one was terrible as well as a protest against certain things - and this worked vice versa. There are many of people in varying socioeconomic groups that operate like this. Please remember that England, as well as the rest of the UK, has had very left wing governments in the not at all too distant past.
Fair point. It forced May to crawl to the DUP. Not even John Major did that.
I would never under any circumstances vote Conservative so I don't understand the mindset that convinces people to do that. I do not see a left-wing government in Britain or England's future any time soon. That's what scares me about being shackled to the UK.
Gualimole
You keep ignoring the effect that the younger generation is going to have on British politics. Around 20 percent of the UK's population is made up of people between the ages of 18 to 29. Those votes matter and they're going to Labour, especially to the left-wing of the party.
Well let's hope so. I'm a pessimist by nature, hence my postings.
I tend to be an optimist. Within our lifetimes, I think we're going to see unfathomable innovations that are going to bring forth utopia if managed correctly.
The West Country
That's extremely optimistic. Too optimistic. But that's your prerogative to think that.
We're already beginning to enter the Fourth Industrial Revolution, with AI and automation playing a large part in this revolution. In just a few decades, most likely by the 2040s, it has been predicted that superintelligent AI will come into existence in what is known as the Singularity. If we manage to overcome the challenges of ensuring that a superintelligent AI will be safe, then this superintelligent AI will be able to solve all of our problems in an instant because it will be billions of times more intelligent than we are.
Or destroy/enslave us all lol
We either all die instantly or gain immortality. I'm willing to take that risk.
What is a Demarchy?
A form of government without elections in which our leaders are chosen randomly from the wider adult population.
So like ancient Greece?
Having seen the wealth of problems that exist with current AI and their incapability to do very much legitimate thought, I'd say it'll probably be further than 22 years away. Neural networks aren't particularly advanced, and they have distinct issues understanding things ranging from simple letters to complex concepts.
Yes.
As technology advances forward, technological progress happens at a faster and faster rate. I don't think that's going to change any time soon.
Sure, but this is a component of neural networks that hasn't really been changed at any point and is hardly predicted to, honestly. They have issues recognizing letters and numbers, for instance. And the difference between "Semantics" and "Syntax" for an AI is primarily software based, and it's going to only get harder and harder when you attempt to integrate it into wider and wider roles. AI are complex neural networks, and any meant to tackle true sentience will invariably be computationally massive, past the wildest nightmares of programmers the world 'round. I simply don't see the software catching up to that degree while still using conventional NNs honestly.
Then you will forever hold your ignorance. If you cant empathise with the other side then you just subject yourself to an echo chamber and get stuck in your preconceptions. I would say less partisanship is actually better.
I always believe that its the institutions, not the people who are to blame for this sort of stuff. Don't hate the people, try to convince them and have them come to an understanding against the institution that pulls the wool over their eyes and gets them voting conservative.
Axeldonia, The British Islands Confederacy, The West Country
Congratulations to Prince Harry and now Princess Meghan :D
Bearlong, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country
Meghan and Kate are both looking good today tbf
Bearlong, Audiastan, Penguania And Antarctica
Right. So I've to hate the "institutions" and not the people who vote to take away my mum's benefit money? I've to "empathise" with people who voted for a government that forces her to endure humiliating assessment interviews for money she is entitled to and has worked all her life paying taxes to? I am "ignorant" because I don't "understand" why someone voted for policies which resulted in me having my disability money reduced, and made me break down in tears in front of a welfare rights officer who told me I'd need to get a lawyer and face down a tribunal but risk losing the lot if I did?
Well forgive me for not being so understanding to the so called other side. Me and my family have had very bitter experiences of the policies they endorsed.
Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia
I know what its like to be on benefits, I was on benefits/job seekers allowance for about half a year due to my ex breaking up with me and my London stuff breaking down, I'm lucky that I managed to pull through it and land myself a job recently. The institutions are the ones who make the laws like the rape clause and make benefits a living hell for poeple, the people don't vote for that, as previously stated the institutions turn them away and disguise it; instead getting them to vote for them for more money/less taxes and the usual guff. I used to hate people who voted in a certain way but after a while it brings you down and exhausts you, filling you with venom. Hating people won't change their opinion and only embolden them, this isn't to say you can't criticise them, its just that hate begets hate. Be better than that.
Jaslandia, Anglia Imperium
Here they go again...
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country
I'm sorry but I don't buy this at all. People vote Tory but you're seriously trying to persuade me the people voting for them don't know they're going to come up with these nasty policies? Well riddle me this. If people wouldn't vote for them with these policies stated openly, why do they continue to vote for them when the government puts them into practice and it's out in the open for all to see? There are people who actively support the rape clause, actively support assessments and cutting/sanctioning people's benefits because they "deserve it" and "are scroungers" in their eyes. And you want me to stop hating people like that? You want me to just shrug it off and go, "meh, that's their political opinion."
What really gets me is these Tories then have the absolute f*cking brass neck to clutch their pearls and have their lips tremble when we call them mean names. "Oh, this is why the left always loses. I vote for policies that actively harm and kill people but you called me a mean name! That's WORSE!"
Yet Tories whine that the left say they're evil. Er, how about you stop voting for these vile policies and we'll stop calling you evil?
Axeldonia
You know what I mean, not every single one of them votes for them because they approve these policies and want to see people suffer, I'd argue a large amount are swayed into voting for the Tories because they're lied to and buy into the crap about improving their taxes etc. Gammon and their hateful minority are terrible people yes but you can't cast them all under the same umbrella with misled people and hate all of them.
I hate the Tories as an institution and would gladly like to see it crumble into the dirt. To do that though and to combat them, you have to win people over. Chap on doors, get involved with parties and student groups. Be politically constructive. Its all well and good to vent on the people who deserve it, especially the gammon imo but saying everyone who votes Tory deserves hate only puts you down on their level. You need to be better than them.
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I wanted to write something. But after reading all the previous posts I refrain from speaking.
Bearlong, Mercunova
It's pretty damn hard to sympathise with them when they vote for the f*ckers in the millions.
I'm not telling you what you can and can't do my duder and I understand if you believe that. Sympathy can be hard to give when the person you're trying to do so with goes against what you believe in. The best thing to do is confront them with compassion and move on from those who don't want it, do this with enough people and you'll find that one person who'll change their ways.
I think I'll do the same.
Bearlong, Penguania And Antarctica
You're way more optimistic about people than I am. I'll show them compassion when they show people like my mum compassion.
My apologies for using the Regional Message Board to post messages to other posters.
Gualimole
Understandable. I just like to believe that most people are inherently good and that they're all worth a shot.
Whereas I take the Hobbesian view that people are inherently sh!tty and self-interested.
That's not what I meant.
Nothing was stopping you posting.
The West Country
Someone's defensive.
Yeah I am. So what?
Just making an observation. My apologies for using the Regional Message Board to post messages to other posters.
Axeldonia, Mercunova, The West Country
Touche.
Bearlong, Mercunova, The West Country
Regional message board messages post to other posters, apologies my.
Bearlong, Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Is this a new meme?
Bearlong, Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Yes, there is always. There are so many times I want to post my opinion/stance but I refrain from doing so because of the reaction of the others. I silence and censor myself to make people's lifes here as pleasant as possible.
Bearlong
Nuremgard's gay imperial wedding will be better than today's straight royal wedding.
Mercunova
Well don't censor yourself.
Bearlong
You would hate me. So no.
Bearlong
I highly doubt that.
Penguania And Antarctica
I already hate you for not having the vague self-respect required to make yourself heard.
Penguania And Antarctica
Thanks. /s
Bearlong
Oh and I tried to make myself heard but it always fell on deaf ears. So I gave up.
Bearlong
Momentum works within the Labour party, it's not an independent organisation.
The West Country
and the ILP smells
"England will need a genuine left-wing Labour Party once/if Scotland leaves."
This is the post that I responded to. I was responding with organizations that operate within the left-wing of the Labour Party.
Why?
To be honest, I don't care what happens to Labour. I don't vote for them and never will. So their fate doesn't concern me.
Even if you don't vote for them, their fate matters because it will change the fundamentals of Scottish politics and British politics in general.
It's just the mouldy remnants of the 1890s edition of the labour party. They don't really do too much, and have been fairly irrelevant since the LRC was formed in 1900. But they still persisted in actually existing until the '70s when they folded into Labour.
Gualimole
And to think that we had managed to derail this conversation.
True. The Tories are ripping up the devolution settlement with no effective opposition.
Gualimole
How dare we discuss politics on a political simulation game!
The West Country
Shazria has finally developed its own WMDs.
Russkov Soviet
How dare we derail and disrupt conversations on a political simulation game!
So, any idea what I could talk about?
What's going on in Germany politically?
Penguania And Antarctica
Anything, as long as it isn't trains.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Preussen-Brandenburg
Jas is offended.
Bearlong, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Preussen-Brandenburg
Good.
Penguania And Antarctica, Preussen-Brandenburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQ_mp9TzZY
post Regional apologies other messages to posters, my.message board
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country
Grammar is dead. Long live grammar!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I would say not much. At least that's how I see it.
Nuremgard
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