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Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It's called 8values

Here is mine:

https://gyazo.com/fc9597d3e030c16ea622f912b6b49990

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:Here is mine:

https://gyazo.com/fc9597d3e030c16ea622f912b6b49990

Autocracy lol.

Peoples Liberation Republic, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Autocracy lol.

It coincides with how I operate the PLR :). IRL though, I do plan to run for either the House of Representatives or the Senate once I and my friends set up our corporation

Nuremgard

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:It coincides with how I operate the PLR :). IRL though, I do plan to run for either the House of Representatives or the Senate once I and my friends set up our corporation

Good for you.

Autocrats get sh!t done.

Peoples Liberation Republic

Nuremgard wrote:In my opinion, since drug-users will be paying taxes too, they have every right to their universal healthcare. So I don't see the problem with legalising drugs.

Plus if they're controlled and used responsibly chances are taking it out of the hands of criminals and into authorities such as commercial chains or actual government branches will lead to a cleaner supply and easier regulation for the benefit of users. Also, many drugs are not as bad as DARE sensationalises them to be - for example psychedelics will, for the most part, not make you jump off a building unless it's a deleriant.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Good for you.

Autocrats get sh!t done.

that we do. that we do. We already have a name for our coalition of some sorts along with a secret society along with an insignia and a "salute"

Nuremgard

Yukona wrote:Plus if they're controlled and used responsibly chances are taking it out of the hands of criminals and into authorities such as commercial chains or actual government branches will lead to a cleaner supply and easier regulation for the benefit of users. Also, many drugs are not as bad as DARE sensationalises them to be - for example psychedelics will, for the most part, not make you jump off a building unless it's a deleriant.

Exactly. You take drugs out the hands of criminals and the government can make a fortune taxing them. Above all I believe in liberty. If someone wants to smoke cigarettes or take drugs, that's fine with me. And any health problems they have because of it, I'm happy for them to be treated on our NHS because we're all humans and we're all citizens deserving of respect and dignity.

I do not begrudge a smoker their treatment on the NHS. On the contrary, it makes me proud to live in a nation that has such a thing as a universal healthcare system. I may not be a fan of the UK but the NHS is its crowning achievement. Now that is something that makes me proud to be British for a change.

Nuremgard wrote:Exactly. You take drugs out the hands of criminals and the government can make a fortune taxing them. Above all I believe in liberty. If someone wants to smoke cigarettes or take drugs, that's fine with me. And any health problems they have because of it, I'm happy for them to be treated on our NHS because we're all humans and we're all citizens deserving of respect and dignity.

I do not begrudge a smoker their treatment on the NHS. On the contrary, it makes me proud to live in a nation that has such a thing as a universal healthcare system. I may not be a fan of the UK but the NHS is its crowning achievement. Now that is something that makes me proud to be British for a change.

To be honest, for me the most dangerous part of drugs is actually getting them. Dealers are not nice people for the best part or you put yourself at risk of getting arrested or caught up in more dangerous criminal things - when in reality all you want to do is go back to your house by yourself or with a handful of friends and be alone.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:In my opinion, since drug-users will be paying taxes too, they have every right to their universal healthcare. So I don't see the problem with legalising drugs.

Good point, but if I may counter.

Black market drug dealers don't pay taxes on their profits and their buyers don't pay taxes on their purchases. Jurisdictions that have legalized drugs such as marijuana have shown that black markets for these drugs still very much exist because of government regulation and taxation on licit supply. Many buyers want more choice and lower prices, so the black market thrives and taxation is avoided.

Also, a number of people who access welfare services such as income compensation, disability, housing programs, and homeless shelters have issues with drugs. Certainly not all and I don't mean to generalize, but my previous profession was in human services and I found there was a large proportion of those who accessed these programs who also used drugs. As people who do not have incomes or homes cannot be taxed by most methods of taxation, how does this jive with legalizing drugs being okay because drug users pay taxes?

Yukona wrote:To be honest, for me the most dangerous part of drugs is actually getting them. Dealers are not nice people for the best part or you put yourself at risk of getting arrested or caught up in more dangerous criminal things - when in reality all you want to do is go back to your house by yourself or with a handful of friends and be alone.

I take the same attitude to prostitution. If someone wants to pay for sex or sell their body - and all parties are consenting adults, it's nobody's business but theirs.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good point, but if I may counter.

Black market drug dealers don't pay taxes on their profits and their buyers don't pay taxes on their purchases. Jurisdictions that have legalized drugs such as marijuana have shown that black markets for these drugs still very much exist because of government regulation and taxation on licit supply. Many buyers want more choice and lower prices, so the black market thrives and taxation is avoided.

Also, a number of people who access welfare services such as income compensation, disability, housing programs, and homeless shelters have issues with drugs. Certainly not all and I don't mean to generalize, but my previous profession was in human services and I found there was a large proportion of those who accessed these programs who also used drugs. As people who do not have incomes or homes cannot be taxed by most methods of taxation, how does this jive with legalizing drugs being okay because drug users pay taxes?

I take your points but there are black markets for everything, even mundane, legal products.

Drugs are definitely an issue in social depriviation and I think people do need help to get off them. But people get addicted to all kinds of things that are legal. Like alcohol or caffeine. But these drugs are just more socially acceptable so nobody cares as much.

Yukona

I have no idea if this will paste correctly, but if it does: the only thing I've learned is that i would be screwed if I was in the UK.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015?name=You&ec=6.88&soc=-4.92

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:

Drugs are definitely an issue in social depriviation and I think people do need help to get off them. But people get addicted to all kinds of things that are legal. Like alcohol or caffeine. But these drugs are just more socially acceptable so nobody cares as much.

I hear you. And, for the record, I am also socially libertarian and support drug legalization. I'm just more economically roght and this aligns well in my head, so I justs like to hear from the other side.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I have no idea if this will paste correctly, but if it does: the only thing I've learned is that i would be screwed if I was in the UK.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015?name=You&ec=6.88&soc=-4.92

It's just a page showing where the British parties are on the compass.

Nuremgard wrote:It's just a page showing where the British parties are on the compass.

Didn't you see the "you" thing?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I hear you. And, for the record, I am also socially libertarian and support drug legalization. I'm just more economically roght and this aligns well in my head, so I justs like to hear from the other side.

I am all for drug legalisation but you raise a good point in how the poor can be disproportionately affected by drug abuse, and I know that helping them get off the drugs would improve their situation economically. So it's hard for me to square that circle sometimes. I want to help the poor but I'm also a believer in liberty, know what I mean?

Nuremgard wrote:It's just a page showing where the British parties are on the compass.

It doesn't show a lonesome red dot in the bottom right corner like the weird kid in the cafeteria that no one wants to sit with?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Didn't you see the "you" thing?

No, I'm partially sighted. It's hard for me to see stuff sometimes.

Yukona

If I were to run for President, here are the states that I would win and most likely lose.

Red means majority of the voting population would vote for me

Purple means majority of the voting population would not vote for me

https://gyazo.com/f3da8b89348249f78f1fc41df69d517b

Nuremgard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:It doesn't show a lonesome red dot in the bottom right corner like the weird kid in the cafeteria that no one wants to sit with?

Oh I see it now. Sorry. As I said, partially sighted.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I have no idea if this will paste correctly, but if it does: the only thing I've learned is that i would be screwed if I was in the UK.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015?name=You&ec=6.88&soc=-4.92

Yep, I'm the same - there are no libertarian parties in the UK apart from an incredibly small one which has really relaxed gun laws, which I don't like, and has no chances of getting big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)

Yukona wrote:Yep, I'm the same - there are no libertarian parties in the UK apart from an incredibly small one which has really relaxed gun laws, which I don't like, and has no chances of getting big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)

I put the Libertarians as one of my high up choices during the council elections because they support Scottish independence.

Nuremgard wrote:I put the Libertarians as one of my high up choices during the council elections because they support Scottish independence.

In hindsight, that diagram is highly inaccurate

Yukona wrote:In hindsight, that diagram is highly inaccurate

How so?

Yukona wrote:Yep, I'm the same - there are no libertarian parties in the UK apart from an incredibly small one which has really relaxed gun laws, which I don't like, and has no chances of getting big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)

We used to have one in Iceland but it merged with a nationalist party that supports the welfare system

Yukona

Yukona wrote:Yep, I'm the same - there are no libertarian parties in the UK apart from an incredibly small one which has really relaxed gun laws, which I don't like, and has no chances of getting big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)

Its confirmed what I already suspected; that I am closest to the Lib Dems, but "close" is still pretty damn far.

It's the same in Canada, but fewer parties. I'm closest to the Conservatives because they are kind of an umbrella party for all things right. We have a Libertarian Party, but it's entirely unrepresented.

Which is why I was hoping the Liberals would go theough with their campaign promise of having some form of proportionalism incorporated into our electoral system. One or two Libertarian seats would be better than a Conservative Party, either in Government or in Opposition, that purports to advocate on behalf of libertarians and social conservatives concurrently. Somehow.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:How so?

I wouldn't put most of the parties where they are - simple as.

Yukona wrote:I wouldn't put most of the parties where they are - simple as.

I never took you for a libertarian. More a generally leftist. Or are you like me in that you're socially libertarian but economically leftist?

Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Its confirmed what I already suspected; that I am closest to the Lib Dems, but "close" is still pretty damn far.

It's the same in Canada, but fewer parties. I'm closest to the Conservatives because they are kind of an umbrella party for all things right. We have a Libertarian Party, but it's entirely unrepresented.

Which is why I was hoping the Liberals would go theough with their campaign promise of having some form of proportionalism incorporated into our electoral system. One or two Libertarian seats would be better than a Conservative Party, either in Government or in Opposition, that purports to advocate on behalf of libertarians and social conservatives concurrently. Somehow.

If you lived here, I think you'd be too moderate to vote for the British Conservatives.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:If you lived here, I think you'd be too moderate to vote for the British Conservatives.

Oh, you're absolutely right. I also wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican in the States.

Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oh, you're absolutely right. I also wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican in the States.

See, that's the thing. Generally, British and American conservatism is so extreme. But European conservatism is a totally different kettle of fish.

Nuremgard wrote:See, that's the thing. Generally, British and American conservatism is so extreme. But European conservatism is a totally different kettle of fish.

You guys are so lucky though, you've got Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You guys are so lucky though, you've got Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson

Both of them are vile, arrogant, elitist, over-privileged tossers.

Nuremgard wrote:Both of them are vile, arrogant, elitist, over-privileged tossers.

You do you. You just think they are arrogant because they are right

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You do you. You just think they are arrogant because they are right

They are arrogant because they behave that way. You just love them because they're right.

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I never took you for a libertarian. More a generally leftist. Or are you like me in that you're socially libertarian but economically leftist?

Socially, I'm a subscriber to "I don't give a f*ck"ism. As long as it doesn't effect me, I honestly don't care or want people to stop you from doing it. Things like abortion I think are the right of the woman, as she is the adult and she has teh capability to decide what is best for herself with proper medical consultation. I also subscribe to that belief with a degree of responsibility, as things like guns - I believe - are completely unnecessary to have in the United Kingdom outside of either crime or hobbies/sport - in that sense, they should be banned or held at the place where you go to shoot if it was a long-ranged firearm. Personally, I just think that although freedom is important, the whole thing of "we can defend our liberties" is bullshit, if the government was scared of you and your merry band of militia men you'd just get droned lol.

Regardless of that, I'm torn myself between economically left and right. Although I'm a strong believer in the free market, I'm also a staunch supporter of free healthcare. Why? Because just like freedom is a right everybody should have no matter what their background, so is good health - and people having to suffer and potentially die just because they couldn't afford to make themselves healthier is absolutely deplorable. Beforehand I didn't support nationalisation, however I'm more on the fence now, although I'd rather it only be in certain public good/service areas. I'm very anti-protectionism and believe it is one of the biggest c*ck-ups in economics, having been funded by multi-million dollar corporations that can't get efficient or competitive. Personally, I think tax is a genius thing, but it should be used responsibly and that the government should have a law limiting the total amount of income it can half. For example, 3/4's of a person's income, regardless of the actual level, will always be theirs (ball park figure).

I support the union but also self-determination, I do not support nuclear weapons as I believe they are largely pointless, I do however support the expansion of our military but a reduction to a purely non-aggressive or peace-keeping role. Although I'm against subsidies and encroachment on private proerty, I think that green energy should be heavily subsidised and constructed everywhere it can do because it's in the best issue of not just the country but our children and their children, so on. If anything, my most strong view is on green energy - when I see people put up "wind farms ruin our countryside" signs it really f*cks me off, would you rather have no countryside at all or a few big towers, who cares? I myself believe that we are in urgent danger of climate change, therefore it's not just something to invest in, but it's a matter of national security.

Nuremgard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oh, you're absolutely right. I also wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican in the States.

I'd imagine you'd be a Liberal Democrat like me.

Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You guys are so lucky though, you've got Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson

The first time "lucky" and "Boris Johnson" were used in the same sentence since someone uttered, "You're lucky you arrived when you did; Boris Johnson just left."

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Continental Commonwealths wrote:The first time "lucky" and "Boris Johnson" were used in the same sentence since someone uttered, "You're lucky you arrived when you did; Boris Johnson just left."

Is the the Donald Trump looking UKIP guy?

Yukona wrote:Socially, I'm a subscriber to "I don't give a f*ck"ism. As long as it doesn't effect me, I honestly don't care or want people to stop you from doing it. Things like abortion I think are the right of the woman, as she is the adult and she has teh capability to decide what is best for herself with proper medical consultation. I also subscribe to that belief with a degree of responsibility, as things like guns - I believe - are completely unnecessary to have in the United Kingdom outside of either crime or hobbies/sport - in that sense, they should be banned or held at the place where you go to shoot if it was a long-ranged firearm. Personally, I just think that although freedom is important, the whole thing of "we can defend our liberties" is bullshit, if the government was scared of you and your merry band of militia men you'd just get droned lol.

Regardless of that, I'm torn myself between economically left and right. Although I'm a strong believer in the free market, I'm also a staunch supporter of free healthcare. Why? Because just like freedom is a right everybody should have no matter what their background, so is good health - and people having to suffer and potentially die just because they couldn't afford to make themselves healthier is absolutely deplorable. Beforehand I didn't support nationalisation, however I'm more on the fence now, although I'd rather it only be in certain public good/service areas. I'm very anti-protectionism and believe it is one of the biggest c*ck-ups in economics, having been funded by multi-million dollar corporations that can't get efficient or competitive. Personally, I think tax is a genius thing, but it should be used responsibly and that the government should have a law limiting the total amount of income it can half. For example, 3/4's of a person's income, regardless of the actual level, will always be theirs (ball park figure).

I support the union but also self-determination, I do not support nuclear weapons as I believe they are largely pointless, I do however support the expansion of our military but a reduction to a purely non-aggressive or peace-keeping role. Although I'm against subsidies and encroachment on private proerty, I think that green energy should be heavily subsidised and constructed everywhere it can do because it's in the best issue of not just the country but our children and their children, so on. If anything, my most strong view is on green energy - when I see people put up "wind farms ruin our countryside" signs it really f*cks me off, would you rather have no countryside at all or a few big towers, who cares? I myself believe that we are in urgent danger of climate change, therefore it's not just something to invest in, but it's a matter of national security.

Thanks for such a detailed response. I also subscribe to "I don't give a f*ckism" except I am in favour of banning guns entirely, even for sport and hobbies.

I am in favour of nationalising key industries like water, energy, transport etc. but I am fine with private enterprise for most other things. I used to be sympathetic to tariffs and subsidies but what changed my mind was that I once heard about a Welsh steel works being supported by public money because it couldn't turn a profit. I feel bad for the workers but I don't see why an industry should be kept on life support through public money just to artificially boost the employment figures for the government. If you cant survive commercially without help well...that's capitalism.

I feel bad for some of the farmers who may lose their EU subsidies but in general, I don't care as most of them are Tory wankers. :P But I'm bitter that way.

I am all for progressive taxation, against nukes, all for green energy and I also support boosting conventional military spending for peacekeeping efforts and self-defence.

Yukona

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Is the the Donald Trump looking UKIP guy?

He's a Conservative

Yukona

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:He's a Conservative

I figured that out, I'm asking is he fat, with blond hair?

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Is the the Donald Trump looking UKIP guy?

Easy to get confused but Johnson is like the British Trump. He was even born in America!

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/824968706258305024/5QODwULN.jpg

The guy below is the UKIP guy you're thinking of.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg/220px-Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg

The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I figured that out, I'm asking is he fat, with blond hair?

https://gyazo.com/afbe5940841f75e9d28383b9a98f148f

I think he is quite handsome hehe

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Easy to get confused but Johnson is like the British Trump. He was even born in America!

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/824968706258305024/5QODwULN.jpg

The guy below is the UKIP guy you're thinking of.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg/220px-Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg

Sh*t I forgot you also have Farage! You guys have so many awesome politicans

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I figured that out, I'm asking is he fat, with blond hair?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson - I wouldn't say he's anything like Donald Trump. Also, despite what people think, he is a very, very smart man. I'd wager to say that although he's probably a nice bloke, he's also as cunning as a fox.

The United Providences Of Perland, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Sh*t I forgot you also have Farage! You guys have so many awesome politicans

I wish you were trolling.

And by the way, Johnson, handsome? You must be blind or desperate. Perhaps both.

Jaslandia, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Yukona wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson - I wouldn't say he's anything like Donald Trump. Also, despite what people think, he is a very, very smart man. I'd wager to say that although he's probably a nice bloke, he's also as cunning as a fox.

He, like most other Tories, need to take a long walk off a short pier.

Post self-deleted by Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth.

Nuremgard wrote:I wish you were trolling.

And by the way, Johnson, handsome? You must be blind or desperate. Perhaps both.

I love these guys that fight for their countries. You can just hear how much they love the UK and I respect that

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I love these guys that fight for their countries. You can just hear how much they love the UK and I respect that

LOL. Oh, man. You're duped. If you think they care about anything beyond their own self-interest and advancement, you're living in lala land.

I can see why politicians like Trump get elected now. With people like you thinking they "love and fight for their countries." :P

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I love these guys that fight for their countries. You can just hear how much they love the UK and I respect that

As much as I disagree with the politicians you like, the admiration of their love for the UK is going to fly over the head of a Scottish nationalist such as Nurem.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:As much as I disagree with the politicians you like, the admiration of their love for the UK is going to fly over the head of a Scottish nationalist such as Nurem.

Again, they don't love anything except their own survival and advancement.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I love these guys that fight for their countries. You can just hear how much they love the UK and I respect that

Nationalism is dangerous, very dangerous.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Nationalism is dangerous, very dangerous.

I disagree. Without nationalism there would be no nations. And if you live in a former colony or somewhere that was once part of an empire, your country would not be where it is today.

Stop confusing all nationalism with Nazism. I know people love to think about Hitler gassing the Jews when they think nationalism but that isn't what it's about.

Lex Caledonia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Nationalism is dangerous, very dangerous.

It's called being patriotic and I am not going to apologize for it

Nuremgard wrote:I disagree. Without nationalism there would be no nations. And if you live in a former colony or somewhere that was once part of an empire, your country would not be where it is today.

Stop confusing all nationalism with Nazism. I know people love to think about Hitler gassing the Jews when they think nationalism but that isn't what it's about.

I never made a comment about Nazi Germany. My main example would be Soviet Russia frankly. And some nationalism is good. But it becomes bad when you blindly support your country no matter what, which most of the U.K. Politicians may not do.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It's called being patriotic and I am not going to apologize for it

Did I say to say to repent? And patratism is nationalism by definition. If you use just the right amount, then you are good.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I never made a comment about Nazi Germany. My main example would be Soviet Russia frankly. And some nationalism is good. But it becomes bad when you blindly support your country no matter what, which most of the U.K. Politicians may not do.

I agree that nationalism becomes pernicious when it turns into "my country wrong or right" and "we should dominate other countries because we're awesome."

Nationalism, in the sense of having control over one's destiny through self-determination, having an identity tied to your country of birth and some pride in that country are all perfectly healthy expressions.

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I agree that nationalism becomes pernicious when it turns into "my country wrong or right" and "we should dominate other countries because we're awesome."

Nationalism, in the sense of having control over one's destiny through self-determination, having an identity tied to your country of birth and some pride in that country are all perfectly healthy expressions.

Ehhhh. "loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups"

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Did I say to say to repent? And patratism is nationalism by definition. If you use just the right amount, then you are good.

Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing. However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs.

When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’. According to him, nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.

Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace. Most nationalists assume that their country is better than any other, whereas patriots believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots tend to believe in friendly relations with other countries while some nationalists don’t.

Peoples Liberation Republic

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Ehhhh. "loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups"

Well I'm a civic nationalist.

Lex Caledonia

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing. However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs.

When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’. According to him, nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.

Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace. Most nationalists assume that their country is better than any other, whereas patriots believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots tend to believe in friendly relations with other countries while some nationalists don’t.

By the way you just described patratism, when looking at the definition of nationalism, they are the same.

Yukona wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson - I wouldn't say he's anything like Donald Trump. Also, despite what people think, he is a very, very smart man. I'd wager to say that although he's probably a nice bloke, he's also as cunning as a fox.

A song for a fellow Jacobite.

https://youtu.be/-zQoQ1ckFxI?t=49

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Well, I think it may also be situational. For instance, I consider myself right of centre withon my Canadian environment, but I'd

Probably be positively centrist and accused of being a Democrat if someone dropped me into [shudders] the United States.

And by US political standards, where it's only recently that many Democrats won't take offence if called "liberals", I think Sanders may be perceived as socialist by comparison. In Canada, I think he'd fall more into our centrist party than our social democratic party.

For what it's worth, I'm American, and I've always seen you as more libertarian-leaning. I think you would fit in quite well with American libertarian parties.

The United Providences Of Perland

Jaslandia wrote:For what it's worth, I'm American, and I've always seen you as more libertarian-leaning. I think you would fit in quite well with American libertarian parties.

I'm a leftist but my heart leaped out of my chest when I saw my council tax bill. I'll be claiming it back as I'm not liable to pay it being a student.

See? I'm not all pure. I do have some conservative instincts. Such as, "keep your hands off my money you scrounging, corrupt, councilor bastards!"

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I'm a leftist but my heart leaped out of my chest when I saw my council tax bill. I'll be claiming it back as I'm not liable to pay it being a student.

See? I'm not all pure. I do have some conservative instincts. Such as, "keep your hands off my money you scrounging, corrupt, councilor bastards!"

No, give them all ur Euros for the betterment of the collective.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:No, give them all ur Euros for the betterment of the collective.

Pounds. And no. I have a special loathing for local government.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Pounds. And no. I have a special loathing for local government.

I don't like local governments but they serve a purpose I suppose, at least in the US.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:No, give them all ur Euros for the betterment of the collective.

I think they use pounds in the UK

The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I don't like local governments but they serve a purpose I suppose, at least in the US.

Their purpose here is to give their bosses massive salaries.

The United Providences Of Perland

Stasi was quite a scary organisation.

Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Stasi was quite a scary organisation.

Any secret service is.

I call the BBC TV license people here the Stasi or sometimes the Gestapo. Because they chase down license avoiders with such zeal. "You must pay for ze excellent propaganda we show!"

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:I'm a leftist but my heart leaped out of my chest when I saw my council tax bill. I'll be claiming it back as I'm not liable to pay it being a student.

See? I'm not all pure. I do have some conservative instincts. Such as, "keep your hands off my money you scrounging, corrupt, councilor bastards!"

You citedy tramp stamp tattoo exactly :P

Jaslandia wrote:For what it's worth, I'm American, and I've always seen you as more libertarian-leaning. I think you would fit in quite well with American libertarian parties.

That's the goal!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Any secret service is.

I call the BBC TV license people here the Stasi or sometimes the Gestapo. Because they chase down license avoiders with such zeal. "You must pay for ze excellent propaganda we show!"

Have you ever seen the movie 'The life of others' ?

Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Have you ever seen the movie 'The life of others' ?

I have not.

Penguania And Antarctica

>Tries to go in depth and flush out nations linguistics

>Rewrites basic historical structure

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Tserra, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I have not.

It's a movie about the Stasi and how they spy on people. A drama. A fictional story tho. Won an Oscar.

I find the scene scary when the Stasi officers enter the flat of the person they want to observe an equip it with microphones and cameras.

When they leave the flat the captain of the group notices that there is no light coming through the fish eye of the door of the flat opposite to the one they equipped. He rings the door bell. A woman opens the door and the captain says: "No word about this to anyone, Mrs. Meier. Otherwise your daughter can say good-bye to her studies of medicine." The woman nods with scare. While leaving the house the captain says to one of his officers "Send Mrs. Meier a small present for her co-operation. "

He was aware of the woman and her daughter and what she does. Really scary.

Nuremgard, Yukona

Man, whatever happened to the Boy Scouts?

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:It's a movie about the Stasi and how they spy on people. A drama. A fictional story tho. Won an Oscar.

I find the scene scary when the Stasi officers enter the flat of the person they want to observe an equip it with microphones and cameras.

When they leave the flat the captain of the group notices that there is no light coming through the fish eye of the door of the flat opposite to the one they equipped. He rings the door bell. A woman opens the door and the captain says: "No word about this to anyone, Mrs. Meier. Otherwise your daughter can say good-bye to her studies of medicine." The woman nods with scare. While leaving the house the captain says to one of his officers "Send Mrs. Meier a small present for her co-operation. "

He was aware of the woman and her daughter and what she does. Really scary.

It's a really good movie. We watched it as part of our German Political Thought class in fourth year poli-sci.

Funny- when you posted about the Stasi being scary, this is immediately what I thought of.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Magnatronia wrote:Man, whatever happened to the Boy Scouts?

They scout boys

Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:It's a movie about the Stasi and how they spy on people. A drama. A fictional story tho. Won an Oscar.

I find the scene scary when the Stasi officers enter the flat of the person they want to observe an equip it with microphones and cameras.

When they leave the flat the captain of the group notices that there is no light coming through the fish eye of the door of the flat opposite to the one they equipped. He rings the door bell. A woman opens the door and the captain says: "No word about this to anyone, Mrs. Meier. Otherwise your daughter can say good-bye to her studies of medicine." The woman nods with scare. While leaving the house the captain says to one of his officers "Send Mrs. Meier a small present for her co-operation. "

He was aware of the woman and her daughter and what she does. Really scary.

Shows the kind of dark power the state can wield if it's not held in check.

Penguania And Antarctica

Magnatronia wrote:Man, whatever happened to the Boy Scouts?

They succumbed to the SJW's, and no longer deserve to be called Boy Scouts.

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:They scout boys

Nah, I was talking about them simultaneously booing Hillary Clinton and then having Trump make a disgraceful speech to a room full of children. I understand that not everyone's a fan of Hillary, but Jesus have some respect for the former Secretary of State.

Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica

Magnatronia wrote:Man, whatever happened to the Boy Scouts?

They expected too much. They expected Trump to be reasonable and apolitical.

He encouraged the kids to boo Obama and Clinton. Reminded me of the Hitler Youth.

Penguania And Antarctica

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:They succumbed to the SJW's, and no longer deserve to be called Boy Scouts.

Literally the opposite of what I was gonna say. And what does that even mean?

Jaslandia

Magnatronia wrote:Literally the opposite of what I was gonna say. And what does that even mean?

Reds under the bed.

SJWs are out to get you. :P

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:It's a movie about the Stasi and how they spy on people. A drama. A fictional story tho. Won an Oscar.

I find the scene scary when the Stasi officers enter the flat of the person they want to observe an equip it with microphones and cameras.

When they leave the flat the captain of the group notices that there is no light coming through the fish eye of the door of the flat opposite to the one they equipped. He rings the door bell. A woman opens the door and the captain says: "No word about this to anyone, Mrs. Meier. Otherwise your daughter can say good-bye to her studies of medicine." The woman nods with scare. While leaving the house the captain says to one of his officers "Send Mrs. Meier a small present for her co-operation. "

He was aware of the woman and her daughter and what she does. Really scary.

OAFT that is such a good film.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:They scout boys

I watched Goodbye, Lenin in my German class at high school which I liked. I had a crush on Daniel Bruhl.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I watched Goodbye, Lenin in my German class at high school which I liked. I had a crush on Daniel Bruhl.

Oh okay.

Never saw this movie. Just know the general plot and genre.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh okay.

Never saw this movie. Just know the general plot and genre.

It's a good movie. Bruhl speaks 5 languages and can understand Portuguese. He's so hot.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:It's a good movie. Bruhl speaks 5 languages and can understand Portuguese. He's so hot.

I can speak 2 languages. And can understand a bit Latin. I am not hot. :P

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I can speak 2 languages. And can understand a bit Latin. I am not hot. :P

That's more than me! I was gonna' do Latin at school but not enough people picked it so I had to settle for my second choice: graphic design.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:That's more than me! I was gonna' do Latin at school but not enough people picked it so I had to settle for my second choice: graphic design.

Did you learn a foreign language?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I can speak 2 languages. And can understand a bit Latin. I am not hot. :P

Lies. I have seen your appearance in multiple pictures over Discord. If I was into guys I would totally crush on you. Maybe even take you to a Denny's.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Did you learn a foreign language?

I learned German for six years at school. Don't remember most of it though, like most of the stuff I learned at school.

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Lies. I have seen your appearance in multiple pictures over Discord. If I was into guys I would totally crush on you. Maybe even take you to a Denny's.

Taking him to Denny's? That's practically a proposal.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Nuremgard wrote:Taking him to Denny's? That's practically a proposal.

Right?

Tserra wrote:Right?

Kinda like with McDonald's over here. Buy me some chicken nuggets and I'm yours. Although over here the big obsession is Nando's.

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Lies. I have seen your appearance in multiple pictures over Discord. If I was into guys I would totally crush on you. Maybe even take you to a Denny's.

Now you are exaggerating.

Nuremgard wrote:I learned German for six years at school. Don't remember most of it though, like most of the stuff I learned at school.

Oh ok.

I had to learn English and had it for 10 years in school.

And I had to do a secondary language for 4 years. I picked Latin. My school offered French and Russian as second foreign language too tho.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Now you are exaggerating.

Oh ok.

I had to learn English and had it for 10 years in school.

And I had to do a secondary language for 4 years. I picked Latin. My school offered French and Russian as second foreign language too tho.

Any reason why you chose Latin rather than French or Russian?

Penguania And Antarctica

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