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Continental Commonwealths wrote:There's one more episode left in the season, boyo. Unless the last episode was leaked and that's what you're referring to.

Also, I had qualms with episode 5 and 6. Qualms.

Sulania wrote:Finale? What finale?

Eh? The last episode came on at 2am last night for us in the UK. Jon and co went north to capture a wight.

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Make an actual leftist party and I'd join in a heartbeat :P

Just let it go already.

Nuremgard wrote:Eh? The last episode came on at 2am last night for us in the UK. Jon and co went north to capture a wight.

... That's not the finale... That already happened....

Sulania wrote:... That's not the finale... That already happened....

The finale is this coming sunday....

Sulania wrote:... That's not the finale... That already happened....

Yup. Just checked. One more episode. I thought last night's was the finale.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:There's one more episode left in the season, boyo. Unless the last episode was leaked and that's what you're referring to.

Also, I had qualms with episode 5 and 6. Qualms.

What qualms did you have with 5 and 6?

i'm like that 1% of the population that has never seen an episode of Game of Thrones

Jaslandia, Percyton, Cesorion

United Continental States wrote:i'm like that 1% of the population that has never seen an episode of Game of Thrones

I'm right there with you, dude. I don't like GoT.

Cesorion, United Continental States

United Continental States wrote:i'm like that 1% of the population that has never seen an episode of Game of Thrones

Kalaron wrote:I'm right there with you, dude. I don't like GoT.

Bloody heathens. Off with your heads!

Djo

United Continental States wrote:i'm like that 1% of the population that has never seen an episode of Game of Thrones

Kalaron wrote:I'm right there with you, dude. I don't like GoT.

Guess who else is with you......

Cesorion wrote:Guess who else is with you......

*gasps*

Axeldonia wrote:Just let it go already.

No, I was being serious......

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:No, I was being serious......

Yeah, but if I started a party following my ideology you'd decry me for not being socialist enough.

Nuremgard wrote:*gasps*

*Raises hand* I once saw a few minutes of an episode and switched to something else instead.

Moldegaard wrote:*Raises hand* I once saw a few minutes of an episode and switched to something else instead.

*shakes head in disappointment*

Nuremgard wrote:What qualms did you have with 5 and 6?

[spoiler=Game of Thrones EPisode 5 and 6 Spoilers]

I only had one major issue with episode 5: just how long can one hold their breath for, because Jamie and Bronn can do it for HOURS. We're supposed to believe that Dany et al. finish destroying the Lannister forces, take a bunch of prisoners, march them off all during a time in which Jamie and Bronn are holding their breath under water?! Also, Tyrion saw Jamie lance towards Dany, but he had no concern or mention of this when Jamie wasn't found amongst the prisoners they took?

But episode 6:

GoT used to pride itself on the notion that no one was safe. But, as we all know by now, nothing will happen to Jon. So, the final battle when he's completely encircled, and when he eventually gets left behind, was entirely anticlimactic- we knew he was going to survive. At worst, we would have lost Tormund. Knowing this going in, that standoff and eventual battle was kind of lacklustre.

When you thought Tormund was going to die, he was getting dragged into the water by two undead who popped up out of it when he got near. I guess there was no undercurrent in this body of water? Knowing this, why did the original breaking of the ice stop the undead when they encircled the party? They don't get cold- they could have just jumped in the water on one end and got out on the other, continuing their fight.

Seeing Dany take off with her dragons to save Jon. They shouldn't have shown this scene, because it contributed to a lack of vested interest in the Jon et al. fight scene- you knew who was going to save them, you knew how they were going to do it, and, because you know Jon won't die, you knew she would arrive just in time to do so.

Death of a dragon. Okay, this was kind of silly because the only reason the dragons were even still present to be killed was because instead of getting on Drogon to fly away, Jon decides to keep fighting. There's a giant firebreathing beast right there that could fight off the few undead still advancing on the party, but Jon has to go separate from the party getting on Drogon to fly away and be a hero. This was a forced excuse to keep the dragons there longer than they needed to be, and felt a bit silly to watch because you knew they were buying time in a cheap way for something bad to happen.

Also, when Dany showed up with three dragons, not one of them thought or was directed to attack the congregation of undead commanders sitting up on a hill in perfect view? No, just fly around and kill the less important undead while giving the Night King the perfect opportunity to play with his javelin.

Lastly, why the eff did he not throw the first one at Drogon? He's the biggest, and the one that was helping everyone escape. Also seemed forced as an opportunity to give them an undead dragon.

A bit nitpicky, but it's these types of scenes that I don't expect from Game of Thrones calibre of entertainment.[/spoiler]

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=Game of Thrones EPisode 5 and 6 Spoilers]

I only had one major issue with episode 5: just how long can one hold their breath for, because Jamie and Bronn can do it for HOURS. We're supposed to believe that Dany et al. finish destroying the Lannister forces, take a bunch of prisoners, march them off all during a time in which Jamie and Bronn are holding their breath under water?! Also, Tyrion saw Jamie lance towards Dany, but he had no concern or mention of this when Jamie wasn't found amongst the prisoners they took?

But episode 6:

GoT used to pride itself on the notion that no one was safe. But, as we all know by now, nothing will happen to Jon. So, the final battle when he's completely encircled, and when he eventually gets left behind, was entirely anticlimactic- we knew he was going to survive. At worst, we would have lost Tormund. Knowing this going in, that standoff and eventual battle was kind of lacklustre.

When you thought Tormund was going to die, he was getting dragged into the water by two undead who popped up out of it when he got near. I guess there was no undercurrent in this body of water? Knowing this, why did the original breaking of the ice stop the undead when they encircled the party? They don't get cold- they could have just jumped in the water on one end and got out on the other, continuing their fight.

Seeing Dany take off with her dragons to save Jon. They shouldn't have shown this scene, because it contributed to a lack of vested interest in the Jon et al. fight scene- you knew who was going to save them, you knew how they were going to do it, and, because you know Jon won't die, you knew she would arrive just in time to do so.

Death of a dragon. Okay, this was kind of silly because the only reason the dragons were even still present to be killed was because instead of getting on Drogon to fly away, Jon decides to keep fighting. There's a giant firebreathing beast right there that could fight off the few undead still advancing on the party, but Jon has to go separate from the party getting on Drogon to fly away and be a hero. This was a forced excuse to keep the dragons there longer than they needed to be, and felt a bit silly to watch because you knew they were buying time in a cheap way for something bad to happen.

Also, when Dany showed up with three dragons, not one of them thought or was directed to attack the congregation of undead commanders sitting up on a hill in perfect view? No, just fly around and kill the less important undead while giving the Night King the perfect opportunity to play with his javelin.

Lastly, why the eff did he not throw the first one at Drogon? He's the biggest, and the one that was helping everyone escape. Also seemed forced as an opportunity to give them an undead dragon.

A bit nitpicky, but it's these types of scenes that I don't expect from Game of Thrones calibre of entertainment.[/spoiler]

Your criticisms are fair enough. I was also annoyed by Jon trying to be the hero. I knew nothing would happen to him. We all did. Although I was scared Tormound would die. And obviously Dany could not kill the Walkers, we need them for the next season. :P

I still enjoyed the episode immensely and still love the show and story/world.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=Game of Thrones EPisode 5 and 6 Spoilers]

I only had one major issue with episode 5: just how long can one hold their breath for, because Jamie and Bronn can do it for HOURS. We're supposed to believe that Dany et al. finish destroying the Lannister forces, take a bunch of prisoners, march them off all during a time in which Jamie and Bronn are holding their breath under water?! Also, Tyrion saw Jamie lance towards Dany, but he had no concern or mention of this when Jamie wasn't found amongst the prisoners they took?

But episode 6:

GoT used to pride itself on the notion that no one was safe. But, as we all know by now, nothing will happen to Jon. So, the final battle when he's completely encircled, and when he eventually gets left behind, was entirely anticlimactic- we knew he was going to survive. At worst, we would have lost Tormund. Knowing this going in, that standoff and eventual battle was kind of lacklustre.

When you thought Tormund was going to die, he was getting dragged into the water by two undead who popped up out of it when he got near. I guess there was no undercurrent in this body of water? Knowing this, why did the original breaking of the ice stop the undead when they encircled the party? They don't get cold- they could have just jumped in the water on one end and got out on the other, continuing their fight.

Seeing Dany take off with her dragons to save Jon. They shouldn't have shown this scene, because it contributed to a lack of vested interest in the Jon et al. fight scene- you knew who was going to save them, you knew how they were going to do it, and, because you know Jon won't die, you knew she would arrive just in time to do so.

Death of a dragon. Okay, this was kind of silly because the only reason the dragons were even still present to be killed was because instead of getting on Drogon to fly away, Jon decides to keep fighting. There's a giant firebreathing beast right there that could fight off the few undead still advancing on the party, but Jon has to go separate from the party getting on Drogon to fly away and be a hero. This was a forced excuse to keep the dragons there longer than they needed to be, and felt a bit silly to watch because you knew they were buying time in a cheap way for something bad to happen.

Also, when Dany showed up with three dragons, not one of them thought or was directed to attack the congregation of undead commanders sitting up on a hill in perfect view? No, just fly around and kill the less important undead while giving the Night King the perfect opportunity to play with his javelin.

Lastly, why the eff did he not throw the first one at Drogon? He's the biggest, and the one that was helping everyone escape. Also seemed forced as an opportunity to give them an undead dragon.

A bit nitpicky, but it's these types of scenes that I don't expect from Game of Thrones calibre of entertainment.[/spoiler]

Plus, dragon fire has no effect on the Walkers, so trying to burn them would be useless.

Nuremgard wrote:Your criticisms are fair enough. I was also annoyed by Jon trying to be the hero. I knew nothing would happen to him. We all did. Although I was scared Tormound would die. And obviously Dany could not kill the Walkers, we need them for the next season. :P

I still enjoyed the episode immensely and still love the show and story/world.

Nuremgard wrote:Plus, dragon fire has no effect on the Walkers, so trying to burn them would be useless.

Damn those are nice spoilers

Percyton, United Continental States

Yukona wrote:Damn those are nice spoilers

They're not massive spoilers. We knew back from the previous season that fire did not affect the Walkers.

Nuremgard wrote:Plus, dragon fire has no effect on the Walkers, so trying to burn them would be useless.

[spoiler=Still Spoilers]Yeah, I never assumed Drogon or any other dragon could kill the Walkers- then all that would have been needed to fight them would be the dragons and all this quest for dragonglass and assistance from Cersei would be unnecessary. But, blowing fire at them to knock them down/incapacitate them while saving the party wouldn't have been a half bad strategy. Fire can't kill Walkers, but it can melt the snow/ice they're standing on and temporarily make it so they don't have premium javelin throwing opportunity.

Basically, we're to believe that Jon and Dany are in this moment terrible strategists and essentially just bumkins in order to accommodate the happenstance of this particular scene. I think some better writing could have brought about the same end effect in a more believable way. This wasn't sudden execution of Ned/counterseige of the Blackwater/Red Wedding/etc. calibre content.[/spoiler]

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=Still Spoilers]Yeah, I never assumed Drogon or any other dragon could kill the Walkers- then all that would have been needed to fight them would be the dragons and all this quest for dragonglass and assistance from Cersei would be unnecessary. But, blowing fire at them to knock them down/incapacitate them while saving the party wouldn't have been a half bad strategy. Fire can't kill Walkers, but it can melt the snow/ice they're standing on and temporarily make it so they don't have premium javelin throwing opportunity.

Basically, we're to believe that Jon and Dany are in this moment terrible strategists and essentially just bumkins in order to accommodate the happenstance of this particular scene. I think some better writing could have brought about the same end effect in a more believable way. This wasn't sudden execution of Ned/counterseige of the Blackwater/Red Wedding/etc. calibre content.[/spoiler]

Eh. Still love it and still love Dany. Kinda shipping her and Jon now.

Just a spoiler free comment passing bye

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Percyton, United Continental States, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:They're not massive spoilers. We knew back from the previous season that fire did not affect the Walkers.

A season....I haven't watched....

Yukona wrote:A season....I haven't watched....

Well too bad lol. The season has been airing on the telly so it's in the public domain now.

Nuremgard wrote:Well too bad lol. The season has been airing on the telly so it's in the public domain now.

Thanks man

Nuremgard, United Continental States

Yukona wrote:Thanks man

Why have you not been watching it on a weekly basis?

Nuremgard wrote:Eh. Still love it and still love Dany. Kinda shipping her and Jon now.

Eeeeewwwwwww... they're closely related...

Kalaron

Why is my economic output decreasing downhill when my economy rating is 100?

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Sulania wrote:Eeeeewwwwwww... they're closely related...

Correction: aunt and nephew. Carrying on the Targaryen tradition lol

Clemodecralia wrote:Why is my economic output decreasing downhill when my economy rating is 100?

Because NS ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Cesorion, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:Correction: aunt and nephew. Carrying on the Targaryen tradition lol

How is that any better?!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Sulania wrote:How is that any better?!

Not saying it is lol. But related or not, they are both hot.

Sulania wrote:How is that any better?!

incest is wincest sul: the internet basically revolves a good portion of its resources to this category

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Correction: aunt and nephew. Carrying on the Targaryen tradition lol

Sulania wrote:How is that any better?!

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:incest is wincest sul: the internet basically revolves a good portion of its resources to this category

Different stroke for different folks... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Pirate Kingdoms, United Continental States, Moldegaard

Lex Caledonia wrote:Different stroke for different folks... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

This boytjie knows what's up

Nuremgard

Lex Caledonia wrote:Different stroke for different folks... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Besides, Dany is the one true queen so she can shag whoever she likes. :P

Goodnight people. Have a wonderful remaining day and sweet dreams tonight. Love you all. <3

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Percyton, Moldegaard

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1911 – The Mona Lisa is stolen by, Vincenzo Perugia, a Louvre employee.

https://youtu.be/EQr4FhbcPMg

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight people. Have a wonderful remaining day and sweet dreams tonight. Love you all. <3

Goodnight, Peng!

United Continental States wrote:i'm like that 1% of the population that has never seen an episode of Game of Thrones

Same. Nothing against GoT, I'm sure it's a great show. But I don't have HBO or Netflix, I'm not interested in Torrenting it (On the rare occasion I watch pirated content, I prefer to watch it on more accessible places like YouTube), and I'm not sure if I have the time to catch up on 7 seasons now.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, United Continental States

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/EQr4FhbcPMg

Goodnight, Peng!

Same. Nothing against GoT, I'm sure it's a great show. But I don't have HBO or Netflix, I'm not interested in Torrenting it (On the rare occasion I watch pirated content, I prefer to watch it on more accessible places like YouTube), and I'm not sure if I have the time to catch up on 7 seasons now.

To the Wall with you, Jas.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:To the Wall with you, Jas.

As long as Donald Trump didn't build it, I can accept that.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

Lex Caledonia wrote:Different stroke for different folks... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Oh my Nature

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:As long as Donald Trump didn't build it, I can accept that.

Oh, snap.

Btw, I am positive Trump is just copying Game of Thrones now. He wants to build a wall and he promised to give North Korea "fire and fury."

He thinks he's a Targaryen. He's certainly crazy enough for it.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Moldegaard

Jaslandia wrote:As long as Donald Trump didn't build it, I can accept that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTzeWR57znE

Jaslandia

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTzeWR57znE

https://youtu.be/ehle4fpymxA

Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight people. Have a wonderful remaining day and sweet dreams tonight. Love you all. <3

Goodnight, Peng!

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/ehle4fpymxA

Wilbert Awdry's Ghost: https://youtu.be/cao3MKPKCP0

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Crap. Had a chance to lower crime in my new nation by putting graffiti artists in jail but I legalised it because the country is liberal. Should not have done that as it increased crime.

Woops.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Crap. Had a chance to lower crime in my new nation by putting graffiti artists in jail but I legalised it because the country is liberal. Should not have done that as it increased crime.

Woops.

Eh, I'd rather have an increase in crime (which I don't really understand- you LEGALIZE it) than put people behind bars for doing stupid but harmless things with paint

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Not saying it is lol. But related or not, they are both hot.

Ugh. I can't stand Jon's broody demeanour. I just want to slap the angst out of him every time he's in a scene.

Jaslandia wrote:As long as Donald Trump didn't build it, I can accept that.

That's the funniest quip I've seen on this B in a long time. Touché, Jas

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Moldegaard wrote:Eh, I'd rather have an increase in crime (which I don't really understand- you LEGALIZE it) than put people behind bars for doing stupid but harmless things with paint

Some of the graffiti can look great. But I need to reduce my crime rate. 18% of my population die are murdered.

Penguania And Antarctica, Moldegaard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:That's the funniest quip I've seen on this B in a long time. Touché, Jas

I actually thought that was one of my weaker quips, but thank you.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Ugh. I can't stand Jon's broody demeanour. I just want to slap the angst out of him every time he's in a scene. That's the funniest quip I've seen on this B in a long time. Touché, Jas

He broods, yes but he is handsome.

Penguania And Antarctica

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/21/secret-service-costs-protecting-trump-unpaid-agents-randolph-alles

Surely only the President and his immediate family who live in the White House should get protection? The rest of the family should hire their own protection.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/21/secret-service-costs-protecting-trump-unpaid-agents-randolph-alles

Surely only the President and his immediate family who live in the White House should get protection? The rest of the family should hire their own protection.

You would think, but the law states the President and his immediate family are protected, whether said family is in the White House or not. To be fair, some of the stuff is out of Trump's control: Trump's sons still run his business empire (even though that's a conflict of interest and not a blind trust, but that's another story), and since the sons make business trips, the Secret Service has to come with them; plus, Trump has a bigger family, and you can't really blame Trump now for having a bigger family. Still, Trump's frequent trips to his properties and golf excursions (one source I saw said the Secret Service has spent about $60,000 just for renting golf carts) aren't helping, and a more considerate President would take fewer trips in light of the fact that he's already burdening the Secret Service with his large and globe-trotting family.

https://youtu.be/RJ27ERXyv3o?t=8m34s

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, United Continental States, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Jaslandia wrote:You would think, but the law states the President and his immediate family are protected, whether said family is in the White House or not. To be fair, some of the stuff is out of Trump's control: Trump's sons still run his business empire (even though that's a conflict of interest and not a blind trust, but that's another story), and since the sons make business trips, the Secret Service has to come with them; plus, Trump has a bigger family, and you can't really blame Trump now for having a bigger family. Still, Trump's frequent trips to his properties and golf excursions (one source I saw said the Secret Service has spent about $60,000 just for renting golf carts) aren't helping, and a more considerate President would take fewer trips in light of the fact that he's already burdening the Secret Service with his large and globe-trotting family.

https://youtu.be/RJ27ERXyv3o?t=8m34s

They're worse than a royal dynasty. If you ask me, the whole Trump presidency is just a way for him and his rotten family to have a free ride at taxpayer expense. They're trying to squeeze as much out of it as possible, to see how much they can get away with.

But America voted for it so I have little sympathy.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:They're worse than a royal dynasty. If you ask me, the whole Trump presidency is just a way for him and his rotten family to have a free ride at taxpayer expense. They're trying to squeeze as much out of it as possible, to see how much they can get away with.

But America voted for it so I have little sympathy.

Technically we didn't vote for it, since Trump lost the popular vote.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Hi all I just wanted to know how many of you started school recently because we started on August 10 and I fell robbed of my summer

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, United Continental States

Jaslandia wrote:Technically we didn't vote for it, since Trump lost the popular vote.

Yeah, your system sucks balls. I also think it's ridiculous that the President can basically appoint anybody to the cabinet, including high up corporate peeps.

Your country is literally ran by corporations. At least in Britain, ministers must be drawn from Parliament and are democratically accountable (in theory anyway.)

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Solla Ultima

Solla Ultima wrote:Hi all I just wanted to know how many of you started school recently because we started on August 10 and I fell robbed of my summer

I don't go to uni until September but Scottish pupils go back to school in August.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Solla Ultima

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, your system sucks balls. I also think it's ridiculous that the President can basically appoint anybody to the cabinet, including high up corporate peeps.

Your country is literally ran by corporations. At least in Britain, ministers must be drawn from Parliament and are democratically accountable (in theory anyway.)

I mean, I could see some advantages to America's Cabinet system: For certain departments like Commerce and Treasury, a person hired from the private sector might have more experience in their field than someone who is required to already be a member of Parliament (a politician). In practice, however, these private sector folks often aren't the model of a loyal public servant, and their position may have more to do with their donations and campaigning for the winner rather than their experience (ex: Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education, Andy Puzder of Hardee's/Carl Jr. almost becoming Secretary of Labor, etc.).

Nuremgard, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Jaslandia wrote:I mean, I could see some advantages to America's Cabinet system: For certain departments like Commerce and Treasury, a person hired from the private sector might have more experience in their field than someone who is required to already be a member of Parliament (a politician). In practice, however, these private sector folks often aren't the model of a loyal public servant, and their position may have more to do with their donations and campaigning for the winner rather than their experience (ex: Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education, Andy Puzder of Hardee's/Carl Jr. almost becoming Secretary of Labor, etc.).

Are the Presidents cabinet members accountable to Congress?

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Are the Presidents cabinet members accountable to Congress?

They can be impeached by Congress, and they have to be confirmed by the Senate before they can take office; but besides that, Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President.

Nuremgard, United Continental States

Jaslandia wrote:They can be impeached by Congress, and they have to be confirmed by the Senate before they can take office; but besides that, Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President.

Considering the reasons the US wanted independence, that is ironically monarchical.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Considering the reasons the US wanted independence, that is ironically monarchical.

You're not the first one to point that out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Presidency

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:You're not the first one to point that out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Presidency

We learned about that in college. The Founding Fathers would be spinning in their graves.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, your system sucks balls. I also think it's ridiculous that the President can basically appoint anybody to the cabinet, including high up corporate peeps.

Your country is literally ran by corporations. At least in Britain, ministers must be drawn from Parliament and are democratically accountable (in theory anyway.)

Very much in theory. Ministerial responsibility is pretty much just something they teach in Poli Sci 100 courses, now. And that's pretty much the case across Westminister governments.

But, that's partially the voters' fault for not being more ready to punish at the ballot box those Governments that allow their Ministers to dodge accountability. Like in Canada, the Trudeau Liberals will almost certainly be returned to government despite huge broken campaign promises. Including implementing proportional voting, which would likely increase accountability as almost all governments would then have to rely on coalitions to remain in power.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Very much in theory. Ministerial responsibility is pretty much just something they teach in Poli Sci 100 courses, now. And that's pretty much the case across Westminister governments.

But, that's partially the voters' fault for not being more ready to punish at the ballot box those Governments that allow their Ministers to dodge accountability. Like in Canada, the Trudeau Liberals will almost certainly be returned to government despite huge broken campaign promises. Including implementing proportional voting, which would likely increase accountability as almost all governments would then have to rely on coalitions to remain in power.

It's far more difficult, almost impossible, to punish politicians when your voting system is first past the post and you only have 2 choices. Plus, the people in Britain are totally bewitched by the media and would rather see savage cuts to welfare and education than elect a "communist" like Corbyn.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:It's far more difficult, almost impossible, to punish politicians when your voting system is first past the post and you only have 2 choices. Plus, the people in Britain are totally bewitched by the media and would rather see savage cuts to welfare and education than elect a "communist" like Corbyn.

Precisely. Which is why Trudeau, once he won an election with FPTP voting, flip-flopped. He wouldn't get another majority if he changed the voting system, and he found a majority government to be downright enjoyable.

Yet, he blames the Conservatives for wanting the issue to be brought before a citizen referendum. And people somehow ate that up? Because somehow this is the only policy issue where the majority Government couldn't proceed because of that dastardly Official Opposition.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Why have you not been watching it on a weekly basis?

No

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Precisely. Which is why Trudeau, once he won an election with FPTP voting, flip-flopped. He wouldn't get another majority if he changed the voting system, and he found a majority government to be downright enjoyable.

Yet, he blames the Conservatives for wanting the issue to be brought before a citizen referendum. And people somehow ate that up? Because somehow this is the only policy issue where the majority Government couldn't proceed because of that dastardly Official Opposition.

Yeah, they promise you the moon but once they get in and have a majority they can use to steamroll their agenda through Parliament, different story then.

The Cons wanting a ref on making voting fairer? Now that surprises me.

Yukona wrote:No

Why not?

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, they promise you the moon but once they get in and have a majority they can use to steamroll their agenda through Parliament, different story then.

The Cons wanting a ref on making voting fairer? Now that surprises me.

Why not?

Our Conservatives are actually a merged party between the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party. Reformers are intensely populist; they used to advocate for a policy where petitions that, if they reached a certain threshold of signature, could force a parliamentary vote on an issue or the recall of your constituency's Member of Parliament.

So, there's a significant branch of the Conservative Party that is very pro referendum. Prime Minister Harper was an old Reformer.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Our Conservatives are actually a merged party between the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party. Reformers are intensely populist; they used to advocate for a policy where petitions that, if they reached a certain threshold of signature, could force a parliamentary vote on an issue or the recall of your constituency's Member of Parliament.

So, there's a significant branch of the Conservative Party that is very pro referendum. Prime Minister Harper was an old Reformer.

A Tory MP over here proposed a law that would allow voters to recall their MP if they were dissatisfied with their performance. The bill was naturally defeated by a thumping majority.

Self-interested, corrupt, snout-in-the-trough wankers.

Nuremgard wrote:A Tory MP over here proposed a law that would allow voters to recall their MP if they were dissatisfied with their performance. The bill was naturally defeated by a thumping majority.

Self-interested, corrupt, snout-in-the-trough wankers.

Recall legislation would be a Godsend. Imagine politicians who represented their constituents' desired policies rather than their parties?

Having the gauge their constituents' opinions so as to stay in office rather than towing the party line for a better opportunity at a ministerial appointment?

Having to actually be present in Parliament to represent their constituents' demands and be back in your riding to hear from your constituents on your off days rather than living in the capital and missing sessions so that lobbyists can buy you expensive meals?

But, who is going to vote in favour of having to put in so much more effort?

Nuremgard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Recall legislation would be a Godsend. Imagine politicians who represented their constituents' desired policies rather than their parties?

Having the gauge their constituents' opinions so as to stay in office rather than towing the party line for a better opportunity at a ministerial appointment?

Having to actually be present in Parliament to represent their constituents' demands and be back in your riding to hear from your constituents on your off days rather than living in the capital and missing sessions so that lobbyists can buy you expensive meals?

But, who is going to vote in favour of having to put in so much more effort?

Exactly. They get fat salaries, expenses and perks for doing sweet FA. They barely show up to Parliament or hold surgeries. And many have second and third jobs. If you ask me, once you get elected, you should be barred from having any other job. If you can be an MP and have other jobs, you're not doing it properly. Representing your constituents is a full time job.

For every session of Parliament missed, they should dock their wages. That would get their arses in the seats. And remove the whip system and allow all politicians to vote with their conscience.

Hey do I lose my citizenship if I leave the region for a few days?

Percyton

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hey do I lose my citizenship if I leave the region for a few days?

Nope. Where you off to?

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, they promise you the moon but once they get in and have a majority they can use to steamroll their agenda through Parliament, different story then.

The Cons wanting a ref on making voting fairer? Now that surprises me.

Why not?

Not everyone watches it at the same time or starts at the same point?

Yukona wrote:Not everyone watches it at the same time or starts at the same point?

Well sorry. Who sh!t in your porridge today?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hey do I lose my citizenship if I leave the region for a few days?

Nuremgard wrote:Nope. Where you off to?

I'm not sure if this is true- you'd have to check with Sul. To be safe, I'd say move a puppet here and declare it to the MoIA (if you haven't already).

Nuremgard, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Well sorry. Who sh!t in your porridge today?

They didn't? I'm just saying it quite literally that not everyone starts to watch it at the same time or watches it at the same intervals (i.e per week)

United Continental States

Yukona wrote:They didn't? I'm just saying it quite literally that not everyone starts to watch it at the same time or watches it at the same intervals (i.e per week)

Well apologies for the spoilers.

Now announcing the Spoilers Belong in Spoilers Labelled as Spoilers Party.

Because screw your left-right dichotomy.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Yukona, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Now announcing the Spoilers Belong in Spoilers Labelled as Spoilers Party.

Because screw your left-right dichotomy.

P.s. That links to my Constitution because I needed a NationStates url. And because that isn't a real party, obvi.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:P.s. That links to my Constitution because I needed a NationStates url. And because that isn't a real party, obvi.

So many Cs in that factbook title.

Jaslandia, Percyton, United Continental States

Nuremgard wrote:So many Cs in that factbook title.

We call it the CotCoCC for short. Because appartently this is a region that uses minor words in its abbreviations.

*glares at CoFN*

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton

Another speech but this time from the Vice-President: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32378282#p32378282

Percyton, Cesorion

Hello, I apologize for my prolonged absence.

I need help decide what my next golden gun will be in overwatch. https://strawpoll.com/54x5r7fe

This is just the first round the bottom choices will be removed after you guys vote.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

Minnesota Dakota wrote:Hello, I apologize for my prolonged absence.

I need help decide what my next golden gun will be in overwatch. https://strawpoll.com/54x5r7fe

This is just the first round the bottom choices will be removed after you guys vote.

More of this content, please.

Penguania And Antarctica

Large fish house for lunch with the o

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

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Axeldonia wrote:Yeah, but if I started a party following my ideology you'd decry me for not being socialist enough.

Uh, depends. You would have to make it first so that I could see what it's like. If you're going to basically make a sock for corporations to wank in like Clinton wanted, then I will get shítty because I'm sick of people like her claiming to be for the people when they're so far up the ass of anti-democratic institutions that they are tasting the tears of children in sweatshops.

Otherwise, you must have me confused with yourself. The notion, as I'm sure you know by now as I've explained about it at length, that Marxists and Revisionists (+everyone else) should not get along is frankly alien and ridiculous to me. In fact, I'm a Marxist in every way except for advocating for an intermediate dictatorship between liberalism and communism.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Uh, depends. You would have to make it first so that I could see what it's like. If you're going to basically make a sock for corporations to wank in like Clinton wanted, then I will get shítty because I'm sick of people like her claiming to be for the people when they're so far up the ass of anti-democratic institutions that they are tasting the tears of children in sweatshops.

Otherwise, you must have me confused with yourself. The notion, as I'm sure you know by now as I've explained about it at length, that Marxists and Revisionists (+everyone else) should not get along is frankly alien and ridiculous to me. In fact, I'm a Marxist in every way except for advocating for an intermediate dictatorship between liberalism and communism.

I'd feel so frustrated if I lived in the US. Two right wing parties that take turns doing the bidding of corporations. Britain is the same mind you. My only recourse is I am able to vote SNP.

Nuremgard wrote:I'd feel so frustrated if I lived in the US. Two right wing parties that take turns doing the bidding of corporations. Britain is the same mind you. My only recourse is I am able to vote SNP.

You consider Jeremy Corbin and Caroline Lucas as right wing?

Yukona wrote:You consider Jeremy Corbin and Caroline Lucas as right wing?

No but most of the Labour party is Blairite. Plus, even Corbyn said he was going to keep some of the welfare cuts the Tories have been making. The choice is between austerity and austerity-lite.

Nuremgard wrote:No but most of the Labour party is Blairite. Plus, even Corbyn said he was going to keep some of the welfare cuts the Tories have been making. The choice is between austerity and austerity-lite.

Well you can't have welfare here to the sun

Yukona wrote:Well you can't have welfare here to the sun

Did I say that? I'm saying what's the point in voting for either party when one says, "we're going to cut welfare a lot" and another who says "we'll only cut some welfare."

Funny how we cant have "welfare here to the sun" but there's plenty of cash for Trident, foreign wars, tax breaks for the rich and money for the royal family and their various palaces.

Toot toot :)

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Yukona, Percyton, United Continental States

Nuremgard wrote:Did I say that? I'm saying what's the point in voting for either party when one says, "we're going to cut welfare a lot" and another who says "we'll only cut some welfare."

Funny how we cant have "welfare here to the sun" but there's plenty of cash for Trident, foreign wars, tax breaks for the rich and money for the royal family and their various palaces.

I already explained to you the difference between the massive amount of money welfare already occupies in the budget in comparison to Trident funding and the royal family - which in the past you admitted you ignored the reality of?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Yukona wrote:I already explained to you the difference between the massive amount of money welfare already occupies in the budget in comparison to Trident funding and the royal family - which in the past you admitted you ignored the reality of?

You mean Trident that costs billions to maintain? Ah that's just a drop in the ocean compared to welfare spending. I suppose welfare cuts are necessary to preserve our "security" right?

And of course, funding for the royal family is also insignificant. There is nothing morally wrong with funding one of the richest families in the country with public money while Grenfell victims remain in limbo.

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