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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
What kind of constitution forbids self-determination? A broken one.
Axeldonia, Mercunova, Spanelsko
Hello, i am the Leader of the failure of Iberia currently ruling the Iberian nation in the Modern RP.
Does your nation follow the great path of falangism?
Nuremgard, Mercunova
This somehow reminded me of the joke about Spain.
Spain= Democracy with no freedom.
Nuremgard, Mercunova
They only became a democracy in the 70s. The proclivity for Francoism is still there.
Axeldonia, Mercunova, Spanelsko
"Self-government" that does not allow the right to secede is no "self-government" at all.
Nuremgard, Spanelsko
Rajoy is a control freak.
Mercunova
I'd contact Tserra our defacto-cartographer for a spot on our map:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=876783
yep.
(in case this was my RP character) = BUT THAT IS A GOOD THING! Franco did nothing wrong!
Nuremgard, Mercunova
New Salvatore agrees.
Spanelsko
I like new Salvatore, i always knew that they would be great falangists, make father Franco proud my friends!
Also
There is another way, you know... whispers Sandra Vargas, the Chief of Secret Projects and Shiny Things in Spanelskos military research department. What if we started taking children and raising them from birth to fight? Wed be able to make them completely immune to propaganda, psychological warfare, and demoralisation. Not only would that stop the crying new recruits, itd also give us a powerful military edge. People may not like giving up their kids, but thats why we run the country. We know better.
So we will make our child soldiers immune to propaganda by influencing them with propaganda. Genius!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Salvatore does not take infants to train them but it does enforce compulsory military service. However, citizens do not need to engage in combat. They can do clinical or clerical work. If they refuse outright, they go to jail.
As i said, Salvatore is a great falangist nation, father would be proud.
Nuremgard
New Salvatore and Spanelsko should have a state visit sometime.
Jaslandia
Yeah i think so too, but that will have to take some time, i doubt that ministers/ambassadors of Salvatore would like to meet us in middle of a war where we are being bombed each day.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Salvatore will aid its Falangist brothers!
Spanelsko
Thank you, also does Salvatore support Tangshan?
Nuremgard
Nah I don't think they do. Tangshan is too imperialistic and belligerent. They would threaten Salvatore's borders.
Good to know, that will make it hard for us in future in the case Salvatore and Tangshan would go to war with each other, what to do?
Follow Falangist brother or help the extremist imperialists?
Nuremgard
Wow@my primitiveness
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Andromitus
[spoiler=My two cents]Then every constitution is broken. Every constitution and legal system regardless in which Kulturkreis or political system restricts self-determination in one way or another.
Article 1 Section 1 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights says:
"All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."
Article 1 Section 1 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights says:
"All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."
Article 1 Section2 of the Charta of the United Nations says:
"To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace."
Now here comes the problem: What's a people?
Those international laws/treaties doesn't specifiy what a people is. And there can't be an exact definition of people. What we call a people is a construct made by us based on historical, political or cultural settings. A small group within a nation can be refered to as a people if a certain amount of set criterias is fulfilled (eg. homogeneity, shared history, self-identification as a distinct group). Identity-establishing characteristics have including and excluding functions, some humans get included others excluded.
So I could say that Germans are people, and I would be right. I could say that Bavarians are a people and I would be right. I could say that inhabitants of Munich are a people and I would be right. Why you may ask? Well, because based on the definiton of people every group with shared characteristics could be refered to as a people.
If we would give in to every group that says they are a people and have their own territorial claims and self-determintation, the world would return to Kleinstaaterei (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kleinstaaterei, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleinstaaterei).
As much as I wish every people their self-determination as much I want to live in a united and not a scattered world. [/spoiler]
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Flam
After reading this, its got me thinking....
Oi, youre on to something, Waifu!
Wouldnt self determination mean that power lies solely in the individual?
And if that is the case, then wouldnt the concept of government and a constitution contradict self-determination, since the power of choice for the individual is taken from them and handed to an organization that will give them legal rights?
Yeah, but that would kill us all.
Jaslandia
That will be your choice, my friend.
Spanelsko
Easy for you to say you want to live in a united world. You are comfortable with the state you live in. Many Catalans are not.
Alright. Well, 1. Those are two very different things. I dont know why you are taking this all so personal and attacking me, but youre being rather ridiculous. 2. They illegally voted and seceded. Since you support this, I imagine you support the Confederacy then. Which means you also support slavery. Glad to know we have a slavery supporter in the region. See how ridiculous that sounds? Thats exactly how youre acting. I realize you dont support slavery, the same as I would never tell a woman who is being beaten by their husband to stay with them and call them a stupid bitch. Have a civil conversation, or dont have one at all.
Confederal States
Do you at the very least condemn the violent actions of the police?
Spanelsko
Nice to see handland is in this region too
Honestly, Im not going to continue this conversation with you after the previous statement. Have a wonderful evening though.
Well apologies for the statement.
All is good. You have a wonderful evening.
You too.
The Empire Of Handland
Just because Penguania And Antarctica may have the opposite views or live in the opposite scenario does not mean he cannot empathize to the full extent, or at all for that matter, with the people and form an opinion off of that. If that was the case, many things in history would not be possible - or lead to extremely ridiculous conclusions.
Penguania And Antarctica
Did I say he could not empathise or form an opinion? He was giving his opinion, I was answering back.
If Im remembering correctly, you left the region and burnt a lot of bridges before that.
Sorry, that I stated my opinion and not yours. I'll be more careful next time and just speak with you about things I personally experienced.
I'm not saying you shouldn't state your opinion.
Yo Peng, are you an Ossie or Wessie?
Why are you so irritable?
Something wrong?
I wasn't being irritable. Jeez. Apologies if you thought that.
Neither because I was born after German reunification. Tho I was born and live in the Eastern part of Germany. So Ossi, if you insist.
I mean you ealier personally attacked handland. That's why I thought you are irritable.
Fuhrmania! I don't know if you remember me, but I remember you! Welcome back!
Jaslandia, Fuhrmania
I realize that. My ex is from Germany and a lot of Germans Ive been stationed with still refers to the differences and use Össi and Wessi
Penguania And Antarctica
I called him arrogant. I'd hardly consider that an "attack."
You said he has an 'arsehole attitude'. But whatever. Not my business.
I felt it came across that way. But doesn't matter. It's done with now.
Oh man, Catalonian independence, what a messy issue. Best thing about being a Commie is that I can say it doesnt matter whether its independent or not in the long run.
How are you?
Yeah. There are still differences.
Jaslandia, The Empire Of Handland, Au Minbo
I'm fine, how are you?
Penguania And Antarctica
Can the Kaiserreich ever come back?
Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica, Confederal States
I'm doing okay. Have a 4 day weekend. :D
Nuremgard
Nope.
Jaslandia
That's cool. Got any plans?
Penguania And Antarctica
Just relax and play games and do other stuff. I don't have much free time lately or at least I'm not in the mood to do anything after working.
Jaslandia
Pretty please? All I want for Christmas is the Kaiserreich.
Jaslandia, The Empire Of Handland, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Fair enough.
Penguania And Antarctica
Why? You're a commie lol
Hmmmm...... what do you people think would be worse world? World where all nations would be part of a nation like for example lets call it United Human Federation/United Earth
or
All different regions (based on ethnicity) independent?
Russkov Soviet
NOPE
How about you?
Relaxing is nice. And certainly a valid use of your time off :)
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Probably the latter. More likely there'd be a lot of racist wars.
I've just been relaxing. I'm in uni everyday next week.
Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica
Yes. I slept over 10 hours last night. Felt really good. :D
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Au Minbo
I would say it all depends on the formation of the United Earth. If all nations came together and decided to band into one nation with large popular support then I would go with that being the better one. If it is anything other than that then I would say the other world would be "better"
Russkov Soviet
I think I got like 7 hours last night. I would get more but my cat is really loud and likes to annoy me :P
Penguania And Antarctica
https://youtu.be/tGbGVvMEapY
Im just going to leave this here.
Anyways, I think the Kaiserreich should come back and we can make 8mm great again. Just my opinion.
Spanelsko
THANK YOU!
They are annoying but we love them regardless. :)
Au Minbo
Exactly!
Penguania And Antarctica
Salvatore's leader will be passing power onto his son soon.
(me now)
Listens to anthem of the Falangist Party.
Suddenly! a report from Salvatore arrives, hmmm???
Oh, should i go to Salvatore to meet the current leader and his son? This certainly sounds like an important event for your nation and people.
Nuremgard
You can come if you like. We could host a state dinner.
Then i shall arrive in 1 day and 15 hours. If thats ok with Salvatore, it would be sooner but war with both NB and N.C.R.P. isnt the easiest.
Nuremgard
Should the war go badly, you can send the top officials of your regime to Salvatore for safety.
Thank you, for now the war is somewhat of a stalemate between us 3 and our allies.
We control southern Iberia up to Madrid, while NB (National Bolsheviks) control Portugal and northern parts. And the rest is controlled by the Inquisitorial N.C.R.P. (allies) Falangist movement of Basque for us, Workers front of Central Spain (former capital Madrid) ally of the NB. and the Catholic alliance of Barcelona supporting N.C.
Glory to Salvatore!
Glory to F.P.N.F.C.I.!
Nuremgard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apbnAHshuIM
You seemed to imply that because he didn't believe in it or live in the situation that his opinion was somehow less relevant.
But you see, the SPD was actually a pretty large party in the Kaiserreich. In 1912 it had the most votes of any other party, and wasnt even effected much by the Anti-Socialist Laws that lasted until 1890.
We had.... a better chance at change long before all the nasty Lenin and Stalin business came about.
The Empire Of Handland
Oh, also small question, who is the Leader of Salvatore? Is he a former soldier? Just asking because i was serving for 40 years in the National army of Spain before the civil war began. My current age is 70 years old. In those 40 years i became one of the leading generals of the army.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Percyton
I do remember you
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Percyton
Burnt alot of bridges?
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=867432
Squid Lore update! I've written an anthem, updated a flag and finally gotten started on some proper history!
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Percyton
Interesting what other stuff is in development.
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Just wait until I get into Squidspawn particle physics.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
70 year old General with 40+ years of military experience? Now why does that sound familiar? (*casually taps medals on chest*)
Jaslandia
Fair enough.
He is a former soldier. Caudillo Salazar Salvatore, aged 71. He climbed the ranks of the army as a young man but he was always destined for power. The nation is a one-party state but the leadership is hereditary to the Salvatore family, founders of the country.
Russkov Soviet, Percyton, Spanelsko
Goodnight friends. Have a nice remaining day and sweet dreams tonight. <3
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Kalaron, Percyton
Goodnight, Peng!
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Goodnight, Peng!
Jaslandia
By the way Percyton, are you planning on participating in the fantasy RP?
Jaslandia, Percyton
I'm still thinking about it, but probably not. I can't incorporate the element of my nation that people find most interesting (sentient vehicles), so if I were to join, I'd just be a boring human-based medieval version of Sodor. Unless people here are really interested in medieval Sudrian history, I'm not sure how much I could add to the RP.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Well, maybe you could do something like Golems? Or just do what I did and invent a new species altogeter if you find humans too boring :P
Jaslandia, Percyton
If you were asking in general, the old Kalaronian Design office always has some crap in development.
Right now I'm finishing an information sharing network, an Aircraft Carrier, and a new set of body armour. I'll also be making a submarine soon.
Also, it astounds me that "Bitch" is allowed, but not "Sh!t" on the RMB.
Jaslandia
Bitch can refer to a female dog so technically isn't a swear word.
Jaslandia
True, though I've seen increasingly few people ever say "She's my bitch" and refer to a dog :p
IDK, I expect that level of pedantic shennagins from NS in general.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
I didnt know the premier also was 70 years old, and even the Salvatore leader. All of us with army experience, ruling like dictators. This is an interesting coincidence to say at least.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard
There's been a few times I've written a swear word and forgotten to put in an asterisk and then I've had to write out the message again. Pain in the arse.
Serving in the military is a prerequisite for power in Salvatore. If you haven't served, you don't get to be a party official or representative.
Spanelsko
I think I'll still do a human-majority nation, since that's what I'm familiar with, but you have given me an idea. I may make a sort of minority species, and then the humans have to live in harmony with the different species.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Interesting, so all of the members of the royal family of Salvatore have to be experienced soldiers/officers of the army. True discipline.
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