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Good gravy, is the inauguration ever non-secular.

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms, Solla Ultima

It's official

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:'Happy' wouldn't be the word I would use, but thanks! Likewise!

Oh right, this is a Christian nation! Merry Inauguration Day :p

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good gravy, is the inauguration ever non-secular.

Where is the fun in that? "I wish goodluck to America" doesn't sound as good as "God Bless America" :p

Kalaron wrote:Happy inauguration day, buddy.

I can h e l p

I can do it. I know what pictures I want to use. I may need some help on what to say about my military. I usually just upload pictures :p Maybe figure out some of the military stats. Telegram me!

Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:Oh right, this is a Christian nation! Merry Inauguration Day :p

Where is the fun in that? "I wish goodluck to America" doesn't sound as good as "God Bless America" :p

I can do it. I know what pictures I want to use. I may need some help on what to say about my military. I usually just upload pictures :p Maybe figure out some of the military stats. Telegram me!

Seems America is a theocracy.

Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good gravy, is the inauguration ever non-secular.

Already got guys in my programming class mocking the Rabbi

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems America is a theocracy.

Pfft, I wish :p (I don't actually). It is all just pretend. It is not like those people are really all that religious. The general public is, but the politicians themselves are most likely not. Well....Paul Ryan and Mike Pence may be pretty religious, but the majority is just for show.

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Jotunheim Collective wrote:*The ambassador shows red half closed eyes and a sincere smile that cannot seem to be repressed.* Who... who is this Sollrana, he or she sounds like trouble man. What happened man ?

Long enemy of mine, got moddeleted, best time in ns for me, now he's back as Solla Ultima.

Aldaur wrote:Where is the fun in that? "I wish goodluck to America" doesn't sound as good as "God Bless America" :p

It's not so much the "God Bless America". It's more the "...our God, our one God, and only God, and his only son Jesus who he sent to Earth..."

We get it. You have one God. Two gods would be one god too many. No gods would be one god too few. A demigod is simply not god enough.

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

I was watching the inauguration at my school and there was so much cat calling. When he said "And of course, I will make America Great Again!" someone pointed out that his hand movements made it look like he was about to fly away.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems America is a theocracy.

Guuuuuuuuhhhh

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Long enemy of mine, got moddeleted, best time in ns for me, now he's back as Solla Ultima.

He is not your enemy because I am your friend.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:It's not so much the "God Bless America". It's more the "...our God, our one God, and only God, and his only son Jesus who he sent to Earth..."

We get it. You have one God. Two gods would be one god too many. No gods would be one god too few. A demigod is simply not god enough.

It is funny when you put it that way. Idk, the majority of Americans seem fine with it, so who cares :p I would like to see more diversity of religion up there, like Muslims or maybe Buddhists (though honestly, what would they even say? Lol), and I say that as a Christian. Although, I'd be equally fine with scrapping all that crap. Music? Gone. All other speeches but the Presidential address? Gone. Let's just get down to business. Too much sh!t to do for all thos pomp and circumstance. :p

Continental Commonwealths

Aldaur wrote:He is not your enemy because I am your friend.

He was, and might if he follows through with his threats.

Aldaur wrote:It is funny when you put it that way. Idk, the majority of Americans seem fine with it, so who cares :p I would like to see more diversity of religion up there, like Muslims or maybe Buddhists (though honestly, what would they even say? Lol), and I say that as a Christian. Although, I'd be equally fine with scrapping all that crap. Music? Gone. All other speeches but the Presidential address? Gone. Let's just get down to business. Too much sh!t to do for all thos pomp and circumstance. :p

January 20, 2017. The first day of Donald Trump's presidency, Unf's eighteenth birthday, and the day that Aldaur and ContComm agree on something.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:January 20, 2017. The first day of Donald Trump's presidency, Unf's eighteenth birthday, and the day that Aldaur and ContComm agree on something.

I'm sharing one of the milestones of my life with one of the most pivotal moments in world history: The Continental-Aldauri agreemtn.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:I'm sharing one of the milestones of my life with one of the most pivotal moments in world history: The Continental-Aldauri agreemtn.

Little by little, we'll bring some auspiciousness to this day!

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

[nation=short]magnatronia[/nation]

You haven't signed up for the RP in the OOC thread, your posts won't count until you do so.

I'll postpone my post starting the conference to give him time to do so.

Magnatronia

Andromitus wrote:I was watching the inauguration at my school and there was so much cat calling. When he said "And of course, I will make America Great Again!" someone pointed out that his hand movements made it look like he was about to fly away.

I also watched the inauguration with my class, and they enjoyed mocking Trump's speech. They took particular notice of Trump's hand gestures, and his line about how American schools are 'depriving our children of all knowledge' or something like that.

Aldaur, The United Providences Of Perland

Jaslandia wrote:I also watched the inauguration with my class, and they enjoyed mocking Trump's speech. They took particular notice of Trump's hand gestures, and his line about how American schools are 'depriving our children of all knowledge' or something like that.

This was literally my school,

"I will make America safe again"

"Nope!"

"And as God blesses our great nation"

"Im an athiest!"

Trump mocks were at an all time high too lol,

"And I will transform the white house into the gold house, and it will be so, so wonderful."

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:He is not your enemy because I am your friend.

It is funny when you put it that way. Idk, the majority of Americans seem fine with it, so who cares :p I would like to see more diversity of religion up there, like Muslims or maybe Buddhists (though honestly, what would they even say? Lol), and I say that as a Christian. Although, I'd be equally fine with scrapping all that crap. Music? Gone. All other speeches but the Presidential address? Gone. Let's just get down to business. Too much sh!t to do for all thos pomp and circumstance. :p

It's ironic that America as a republic has more pomp and circumstance when swearing in their leader. Over here the PM just has a quiet chat with the Queen and then gets on with it.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:This was literally my school,

"I will make America safe again"

"Nope!"

"And as God blesses our great nation"

"Im an athiest!"

Trump mocks were at an all time high too lol,

"And I will transform the white house into the gold house, and it will be so, so wonderful."

Same:

*talks about ending the issues right then and there*

"EMPTY. BLOODY. FÜCKING. PROMISES."

*vows that it will no longer be all talk and no bite*

"So just like your campaign promises?"

*says God Bless America multiple times*

-creepy voice- "You cannot cleanse us: your screams shall become our lullabies."

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:It's ironic that America as a republic has more pomp and circumstance when swearing in their leader. Over here the PM just has a quiet chat with the Queen and then gets on with it.

In Canada that chat takes place between the incoming PM and the Queen's Viceroy, who was oft times nominated by the previous PM. Minimal pomp.

Eight months or more will go by before the Queen is like "wait, didn't one of Our Commonwealths have an election a while back? Should I be penning a note to them?"

Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:In Canada that chat takes place between the incoming PM and the Queen's Viceroy, who was oft times nominated by the previous PM. Minimal pomp.

Eight months or more will go by before the Queen is like "wait, didn't one of Our Commonwealths have an election a while back? Should I be penning a note to them?"

"Dear Canada,

Sorry about the late response. Forgot you existed. Congrats to the new PM.

With love and kisses,

Lizzie."

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Jotunheim Collective wrote:Greetings noble leader !

I have been appointed as ambassador by a majority vote referendum for the task of introducing Jotunheim Collective to our new region.

The various worker unions, research conclave and student associations of Jotunheim Collective, ever seeking the thrill of challenge and evolution, have decided to let go of the tradition of their previous (booooring) region.

Although this culture of technophilliac ingenuity has lead us from a broken economy to a powerhouse, this improvement has been made at the cost of individual civil rights, and that goes against the original mandate the Collective is about : A cyber and physical space where people can exerce their right to direct democracy. This can be felt in the very fabric of our culture, which has led us also to different degrees of addictions towards recreational drugs, social media and videogames, and those addictions can sometimes infringe on people's liberties.

We come here in order to move forward and evolve to a state where our collectivity can find balance with its environnement while assuring every individual opportunities to devellop their fullest potential and we seek all the guidance we can get to improve our civil rights.

Please accept this traditionnal marijuana joint. This type is called Jean-Guy, it makes you... creative !

Welcome, Jotunheim Collective! My name is Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 tank engine on the Island of Sodor. Welcome to the region!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:It's official

Least it's over.

How are y'all?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms

Kalaron wrote:Least it's over.

How are y'all?

I'm good, Kal. How are you?

Kalaron wrote:Least it's over.

How are y'all?

I'm okay. You ?

Jaslandia wrote:I'm good, Kal. How are you?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm okay. You ?

Not bad, tired and trying to think of a nice list of requirements for the new MBT.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Not bad, tired and trying to think of a nice list of requirements for the new MBT.

It needs a cat dispenser.

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:It needs a cat dispenser.

Or a cat launcher with the cats having little parachutes

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Solla Ultima

Jotunheim Collective wrote:Greetings noble leader !

I have been appointed as ambassador by a majority vote referendum for the task of introducing Jotunheim Collective to our new region.

The various worker unions, research conclave and student associations of Jotunheim Collective, ever seeking the thrill of challenge and evolution, have decided to let go of the tradition of their previous (booooring) region.

Although this culture of technophilliac ingenuity has lead us from a broken economy to a powerhouse, this improvement has been made at the cost of individual civil rights, and that goes against the original mandate the Collective is about : A cyber and physical space where people can exerce their right to direct democracy. This can be felt in the very fabric of our culture, which has led us also to different degrees of addictions towards recreational drugs, social media and videogames, and those addictions can sometimes infringe on people's liberties.

We come here in order to move forward and evolve to a state where our collectivity can find balance with its environnement while assuring every individual opportunities to devellop their fullest potential and we seek all the guidance we can get to improve our civil rights.

Please accept this traditionnal marijuana joint. This type is called Jean-Guy, it makes you... creative !

A fellow Democratic Collective state? Fascinating...

Donald: So, th' orange cheil is officially th' american president.

Douglas: It seems so, Donnie.

Donald: An' 'at means i'll hae tae deal with 'Donald' jokes fur at leest fuir mair years.

Douglas: Aye.

https://twitter.com/NaughtyTTTE/status/796266187357376512

https://twitter.com/EBNLive/status/796307287321300992

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Not bad, tired and trying to think of a nice list of requirements for the new MBT.

Interesting. I can imagine creating a new version of Manitoba Telecom Services isn't easy, so I wish you the best of luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:It needs a cat dispenser.

As someone who has seen how cute your car is...

Please do not put cats inside of the main battle tank.

Jaslandia wrote:Interesting. I can imagine creating a new version of Manitoba Telecom Services isn't easy, so I wish you the best of luck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBT

And I am still denied my list.

God forsakes me daily.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

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Kalaron wrote:As someone who has seen how cute your car is...

Please do not put cats inside of the main battle tank.

I hope you mean cat there. :P

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I hope you mean cat there. :P

Hey, no kink shaming! If Kal like likes cars, we should all be supportive :P

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:[nation=short]magnatronia[/nation]

You haven't signed up for the RP in the OOC thread, your posts won't count until you do so.

I'll postpone my post starting the conference to give him time to do so.

Thanks! Do I have to have a military factbook already set up?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Hey, no kink shaming! If Kal like likes cars, we should all be supportive :P

It's a purrdy car.

Nah but really, dont put either of those inside of main battle tanks, pls.

Magnatronia wrote:Thanks! Do I have to have a military factbook already set up?

Yep

Oelesa

Fire and Blood! I love the Targaryens, man.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:It's ironic that America as a republic has more pomp and circumstance when swearing in their leader. Over here the PM just has a quiet chat with the Queen and then gets on with it.

I'd prefer if it was this way. Stop all the nonsense and let's get sh!t done. No time to waste! You only got 4 years! 8 if you're lucky! :p

Nuremgard

Aldaur wrote:I'd prefer if it was this way. Stop all the nonsense and let's get sh!t done. No time to waste! You only got 4 years! 8 if you're lucky! :p

Whereas PMs here serve unlimited terms.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Whereas PMs here serve unlimited terms.

So does the Chancellor over here.

Nuremgard, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Whereas PMs here serve unlimited terms.

I sort of don't like that the PMs are so tied to the legislature. I like an independent exeuctive branch. While I also understand that you shouldn't have to leave office if people really like you, I think that opens it up to more corruption and I believe term limits are ultimately better.

Also, the Presidency needs it's powers limited by a lot. The US President is way too power and the office has grown much larger than it was intended to be.

Nuremgard

Aldaur wrote:Also, the Presidency needs it's powers limited by a lot. The US President is way too power and the office has grown much larger than it was intended to be.

I'm curious, how much do you think is a lot? Because the powers of presidents like Obama and Trump is a lot more than that of presidents like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, who were both criticized at the time for increasing the power of the presidency too much; and those two had much more power than Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson, who also greatly expanded the powers of the president and received criticism from their peers for it. Do you think we should return to a strict, literal constitutional definition of the President's power, or do you think there was a point in our history when the president had just the right amount of power?

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:I sort of don't like that the PMs are so tied to the legislature. I like an independent exeuctive branch. While I also understand that you shouldn't have to leave office if people really like you, I think that opens it up to more corruption and I believe term limits are ultimately better.

Also, the Presidency needs it's powers limited by a lot. The US President is way too power and the office has grown much larger than it was intended to be.

Is the executive really independent in the US though? The President and his heads of departments are all drawn from Congress.

Aldaur, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Is the executive really independent in the US though? The President and his heads of departments are all drawn from Congress.

They are many times, but they don't have to be. While people like Tom Price (Trump's Health and Human Services Secretary nominee) and Mike Pompeo (Trump's CIA Director nominee) are current Congress members, other Trump mominees (Ben Carson, Rex Tillerson, Betsy DeVos, James Mattis, etc.) have never served in any civilian public office.

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:They are many times, but they don't have to be. While people like Tom Price (Trump's Health and Human Services Secretary nominee) and Mike Pompeo (Trump's CIA Director nominee) are current Congress members, other Trump mominees (Ben Carson, Rex Tillerson, Betsy DeVos, James Mattis, etc.) have never served in any civilian public office.

So basically he can appoint any arsehole to public office?

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Is the executive really independent in the US though? The President and his heads of departments are all drawn from Congress.

Do you mean customarily, like Secretaries and President often being former Senators and Representatives? Or do you mean like how Secretaries need to be confirmed by the Senate?

Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Do you mean customarily, like Secretaries and President often being former Senators and Representatives? Or do you mean like how Secretaries need to be confirmed by the Senate?

I mean that presidents and secretaries are typically congressmen. Just like how it's always MPs that are prime ministers and ministers.

Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Do you mean customarily, like Secretaries and President often being former Senators and Representatives? Or do you mean like how Secretaries need to be confirmed by the Senate?

Nvm, Jas has it covered.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:I mean that presidents and secretaries are typically congressmen. Just like how it's always MPs that are prime ministers and ministers.

Like Jas said, they're not always from Congress. Obama's Treasury Secretary was a political staffer, not a politician himself, and his Defense Secretary was a professor.

And I think the PM selection Ministers from their MPs is custom but not a necessity. In Canada, at least. Senators have served at times in the Prime Minister's Cabinet and, until very recently, the Government Leader in the Senate used to be a Minister without a portfolio. Also, people who have yet to win a seat in the House but intend to have been appointed to Cabinet before, indicating that you don't even really have to be an politician- MP or Senator- to be a Minister.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Like Jas said, they're not always from Congress. Obama's Treasury Secretary was a political staffer, not a politician himself, and his Defense Secretary was a professor.

And I think the PM selection Ministers from their MPs is custom but not a necessity. In Canada, at least. Senators have served at times in the Prime Minister's Cabinet and, until very recently, the Government Leader in the Senate used to be a Minister without a portfolio. Also, people who have yet to win a seat in the House but intend to have been appointed to Cabinet before, indicating that you don't even really have to be an politician- MP or Senator- to be a Minister.

I'm half and half about this. On the one hand I think it's bad to just be able to appoint any idiot to public office who has not worked through the years as a politician. But at the same time it could be good to have real experience. E.g. having a teacher as minister of education, a doctor as minister of health etc.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:I'm half and half about this. On the one hand I think it's bad to just be able to appoint any idiot to public office who has not worked through the years as a politician. But at the same time it could be good to have real experience. E.g. having a teacher as minister of education, a doctor as minister of health etc.

Canada's financing laws and three party system make it so we don't have the high incumbency rate that other countries do, so people can have a career and enter politics later in life after having gained such experience. Our federal Attorney General is a former crown prosecutor and human rights lawyer, our Minister of Health is a former family physician, our Minister of Transport is a former astronaut, etc.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Canada's financing laws and three party system make it so we don't have the high incumbency rate that other countries do, so people can have a career and enter politics later in life after having gained such experience. Our federal Attorney General is a former crown prosecutor and human rights lawyer, our Minister of Health is a former family physician, our Minister of Transport is a former astronaut, etc.

That is pretty cool admittedly.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:That is pretty cool admittedly.

I think so, even if I dislike the federal party currently in power (and I wanted the astronaut, Marc Garneau, to have won the Liberal leadership, but they gave it to the guy with nice hair and famous parents rather than the guy with a distinguished career and parliamentary experience).

It's even a debate in politics and public administration. One camp agrees that Ministers should be experts in their fields so as to be knowledgeable and effective advocates for their portfolio, while the other camp feels Ministers should not be so that they rely on a professional, "non-partisan" bureaucracy to provide expertise to their portfolio.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I think so, even if I dislike the federal party currently in power (and I wanted the astronaut, Marc Garneau, to have won the Liberal leadership, but they gave it to the guy with nice hair and famous parents rather than the guy with a distinguished career and parliamentary experience).

It's even a debate in politics and public administration. One camp agrees that Ministers should be experts in their fields so as to be knowledgeable and effective advocates for their portfolio, while the other camp feels Ministers should not be so that they rely on a professional, "non-partisan" bureaucracy to provide expertise to their portfolio.

Lol, a non-partisan bureaucracy. No such thing exists in any country.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths

Nuremgard wrote:Lol, a non-partisan bureaucracy. No such thing exists in any country.

Truer words were never written.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:So basically he can appoint any arsehole to public office?

Yes, though Cabinet nominees do still need to be confirmed by the Senate (the upper house of Congress) before that nominee can take office. Though, considering today's high partisanship and party loyalty, Trump could nominate a fire hydrant as his Secretary of Energy and he'd probably get confirmed.

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:Yes, though Cabinet nominees do still need to be confirmed by the Senate (the upper house of Congress) before that nominee can take office. Though, considering today's high partisanship and party loyalty, Trump could nominate a fire hydrant as his Secretary of Energy and he'd probably get confirmed.

And on top of all that, riots in DC. Good luck, America. (Except for you Trump voters. F*ck you guys.)

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:And on top of all that, riots in DC. Good luck, America. (Except for you Trump voters. F*ck you guys.)

Hey now, everybody's got a reason to vote, even if some reasons are rather...faulty... and there's been hardly a person I've met without some explanation :P

We'll be fine, the rioters might be there but our nation will endure and thrive once people realize that losing an election is simply the pitfall of democracy.

Aldaur, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Hey now, everybody's got a reason to vote, even if some reasons are rather...faulty... and there's been hardly a person I've met without some explanation :P

We'll be fine, the rioters might be there but our nation will endure and thrive once people realize that losing an election is simply the pitfall of democracy.

Uh huh...thrive with the Orange Emperor in charge. Okay lol

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Uh huh...thrive with the Orange Emperor in charge. Okay lol

*blink*

Nuremgard wrote:And on top of all that, riots in DC. Good luck, America. (Except for you Trump voters. F*ck you guys.)

Indeed &^%$ me for having the wrong opinion, and voting my conscience, I am a real POS. :D

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Tserra wrote:Indeed &^%$ me for having the wrong opinion, and voting my conscience, I am a real POS. :D

I've loooong been saying that Rev is the reason we can't have nice things.

Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Nuremgard wrote:Uh huh...thrive with the Orange Emperor in charge. Okay lol

Well, for that I'll admit that I think it'll take a miracle, but much of recent western history is made of such miracles (and they tend to be relative).

I mean, hell, how does the b*stard colony of Britain rise to be a political superpower? And how does an army on the rout suddenly get built all the way back to strength, heaving itself up to rise against a foe that before seemed completely insurmountable, not on one occasion mind you, but twice.

The simple fact is that there have always been people in this nation who refuse to quit or give up, that the men and boys in those armies saw the need and believed in the cause enough to put forth a real effort to bettering things. I guess what I'm trying to say is, a miracle is nothing more than people doing their damndest to do what's right and the fact that Trump was elected doesn't change that...the change I think we need -the push that has to come through- is that everyone from the President to the people need to cast off their politicized attitudes and come together to seek a better understanding rather than a fight.

Getting rid of snide remarks and last laughs will do a lot, and approaching a debate with a cool head and based arguments will do more :D

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I've loooong been saying that Rev is the reason we can't have nice things.

Its true. lol So true. I just could not help myself. I am deliciously evil.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:I'm curious, how much do you think is a lot? Because the powers of presidents like Obama and Trump is a lot more than that of presidents like Theodore and Franklin Roosevelt, who were both criticized at the time for increasing the power of the presidency too much; and those two had much more power than Andrew Jackson and Thomas Jefferson, who also greatly expanded the powers of the president and received criticism from their peers for it. Do you think we should return to a strict, literal constitutional definition of the President's power, or do you think there was a point in our history when the president had just the right amount of power?

I actually think the executive branch should be split up into two parts. One part to deal with foreign policy and the other to deal with domestic policy. Ideally, the Presidency would absorb the DoD and State Department and give them the power to focus on foreign policy (much of what almost every President does anyways). Then, have the Secretariat elected rather than appointed to produce quality leaders for our Federal Departments. They would each run their respective department and then come together to collectively decide on domestic policy issues. I believe this would be better because since the President has so many responsibilities and are generally given a free rein in foreign affairs, it leaves domestic policy largely neglected. Having an elected Secretariat not only stubs personal favors and corruption through Presidential appointments, it allows the people to decide who they actually want to be running these departments that effect everything in their lives. When these positions are elected, people are more likely to take a closer look at their credentials so people like Ben Carson or Rick Perry don't assume the office. In addition, these elected Secretaries could do what they think is best based on their expertise, rather than being at the behest of the President, who does not always have the expertise for the finer details in those departments. It also is more likely to create more stability in the departments for mid to low level civil servants, as they have a choice in who the leadership of their department is through voting, rather than electing a broad candidate for President who will appoint whomever they want. I would like the Secretariat to be elected by the people and confirmed by the Senate, and stay in office until the Senate has a vote of no confidence, which would prompt a new election for that specific person. This continues the trend of stability. Lastly, having the executive branch balanced in this way ensures that domestic policy is no longer ignored and that are problems in America are actually dealt with. The reason the Presidency should be left to deal with foreign policy is because it often requires immediate action, which is more easily done with one person, whereas domestic policy requires careful analysis and patient expertise.

Nuremgard wrote:Is the executive really independent in the US though? The President and his heads of departments are all drawn from Congress.

What I mean by independent is that the Executive branch, once in power, operates on it's own. It doesn't need permission from Congress to enforce preexisting laws, determine administrative policies or create administrative rules. I prefer this because it makes things more flexible and often less politicized. It would be subjected to far more politics if they were not independent.

Tserra wrote:Indeed &^%$ me for having the wrong opinion, and voting my conscience, I am a real POS. :D

Lol if you voted for Trump then yeah you had the wrong opinion.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Getting rid of snide remarks and last laughs will do a lot, and approaching a debate with a cool head and based arguments will do more :D

I respect your right to have an opinion. That doesn't mean I have to respect that opinion :P

Why does everyone get so worked up about having their opinions mocked anyway? It's not fact. It's just what you think. Since when was that held so sacred that I need to respect every idiot with an opinion? lol

Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Nuremgard wrote:Lol if you voted for Trump then yeah you had the wrong opinion.

I sure did. :D

Tserra wrote:I sure did. :D

But hey! That's democracy. It's why the quality of political leadership has declined. Everyone's allowed to vote :P

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Nuremgard wrote:But hey! That's democracy. It's why the quality of political leadership has declined. Everyone's allowed to vote :P

So I feel like if we lived in the same city that it would be crazy fun to go for pizza. Preferably fried. I hear Scotland makes the best fried pizza.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:So I feel like if we lived in the same city that it would be crazy fun to go for pizza. Preferably fried. I hear Scotland makes the best fried pizza.

Scotland makes the best fried everything. Come over here. I'll "rip the piss right out you" as we would say for your political opinions. Right of passage.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Nuremgard wrote:Scotland makes the best fried everything. Come over here. I'll "rip the piss right out you" as we would say for your political opinions. Right of passage.

That sounds delightful. If I ever make it to Scotland, I will look you up. :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:That sounds delightful. If I ever make it to Scotland, I will look you up. :D

If you're a Catholic, avoid coming during the summer. The Orange Order will skin you alive. :P

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:If you're a Catholic, avoid coming during the summer. The Orange Order will skin you alive. :P

I assume they are not called orange for delicious fruits? Do they even smell like oranges? Or is that a lie too?

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:I assume they are not called orange for delicious fruits? Do they even smell like oranges? Or is that a lie too?

Nooo. The fruit orange is pleasant. They are anything but. Named after William of Orange, they are a "religious organisation" which promotes Protestantism and loyalty to the British Crown. It is an Irish institution but many idiot Scots partake in it too. They are a bunch of Catholic-hating unionist scum.

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Nooo. The fruit orange is pleasant. They are anything but. Named after William of Orange, they are a "religious organisation" which promotes Protestantism and loyalty to the British Crown. It is an Irish institution but many idiot Scots partake in it too. They are a bunch of Catholic-hating unionist scum.

Oh. Well I love everyone. Is there a love everyone, and eat oranges organization?

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Oh. Well I love everyone. Is there a love everyone, and eat oranges organization?

Afraid not. Don't see how you can claim to be a Christian who loves everyone and vote for Trump but that's for you to square that circle.

Tserra wrote:So I feel like if we lived in the same city that it would be crazy fun to go for pizza. Preferably fried. I hear Scotland makes the best fried pizza.

Donald: Scotland has th' best of everythin', if ye ask me. Th' best scenery, th' best culture, th' best bagpipe toons. An', of coorse, th' best railways.

Douglas: What about Sodor's railways?

Donald: I suppose so. Scotland has th' second-best railways, 'en.

Tserra wrote:That sounds delightful. If I ever make it to Scotland, I will look you up. :D

Donald: If yoo're ever in Scotland, I suggest ye look up th' West Coast Main Line railway roote. We used tae wark oan th' Scottish portion of th' line, back when it was controlled by th' Caledonian Railway an' th' LMS.

Douglas: Aye, an' we woods loove tae hear about how th' line is doin' now.

Douglas: Probably all diesel an' electric engines now. They dornt use steam anymair.

Donald: I'm afraid so, Dougie. Auld steam is past its prime.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

The Scottish Twins wrote:Donald: Scotland has th' best of everythin', if ye ask me. Th' best scenery, th' best culture, th' best bagpipe toons. An', of coorse, th' best railways.

Douglas: What about Sodor's railways?

Donald: I suppose so. Scotland has th' second-best railways, 'en.

Donald: If yoo're ever in Scotland, I suggest ye look up th' West Coast Main Line railway roote. We used tae wark oan th' Scottish portion of th' line, back when it was controlled by th' Caledonian Railway an' th' LMS.

Douglas: Aye, an' we woods loove tae hear about how th' line is doin' now.

Douglas: Probably all diesel an' electric engines now. They dornt use steam anymair.

Donald: I'm afraid so, Dougie. Auld steam is past its prime.

A steam train still runs along the Glenfinnan Viaduct (train bridge from the Harry Potter films.)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Afraid not. Don't see how you can claim to be a Christian who loves everyone and vote for Trump but that's for you to square that circle.

Because not everything is so black and white. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I voted for him because I felt out of the three candidates on the ballot in my state that he was the best choice. Because I see Clinton as untrustworthy, and Trump as the lesser evil. As well, and take this however you feel like, but there is nothing hateful in it, I kinda like Trump, I think he is funny, he makes me smile.

So there you go.

Nuremgard wrote:A steam train still runs along the Glenfinnan Viaduct (train bridge from the Harry Potter films.)

It seems its formal name is 'The Jacobite'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jacobite_(steam_train)

Nuremgard, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Tserra wrote:Because not everything is so black and white. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I voted for him because I felt out of the three candidates on the ballot in my state that he was the best choice. Because I see Clinton as untrustworthy, and Trump as the lesser evil. As well, and take this however you feel like, but there is nothing hateful in it, I kinda like Trump, I think he is funny, he makes me smile.

So there you go.

You voted for a guy because he makes you smile. Scary but okay.

Jaslandia wrote:It seems its formal name is 'The Jacobite'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jacobite_(steam_train)

Nice. 'Moan the Jacobites.

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Because not everything is so black and white. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I voted for him because I felt out of the three candidates on the ballot in my state that he was the best choice. Because I see Clinton as untrustworthy, and Trump as the lesser evil. As well, and take this however you feel like, but there is nothing hateful in it, I kinda like Trump, I think he is funny, [B]he makes me smile[/B].

So there you go.

'Trump' and 'makes me smile' aren't two words I would expect to see in a sentence, but I suppose everyone is different.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:'Trump' and 'makes me smile' aren't two words I would expect to see in a sentence, but I suppose everyone is different.

*in the same sentence, I should say.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:You voted for a guy because he makes you smile. Scary but okay.

Nice. 'Moan the Jacobites.

No. Did you gloss over the rest of what I wrote my friend? The smile bit was an addition.

Nuremgard wrote:But hey! That's democracy. It's why the quality of political leadership has declined. Everyone's allowed to vote :P

This ^^

We need to get rid of birthright citizenship and make everyone earn the right to vote. Or at least increase the age back to 21 and make them take civic exams first. You should have to know basic knowledge about the Constitution, who your District Representatives, Senators, Governor, President, Vice, and Cabinet are and what they do. Also basic US history and political knowledge (like what the parties believe in, etc.).

This is why I often like immigrants more. They know their stuff and are generally more patriotic and appreciative than the whiner born here.

Nuremgard

Tserra wrote:No. Did you gloss over the rest of what I wrote my friend? The smile bit was an addition.

No, I didn't gloss over it. You really didn't need to explain yourself but you did anyway. Doesn't mean I have to like or respect your vote or your reasoning behind it.

Nuremgard wrote:A steam train still runs along the Glenfinnan Viaduct (train bridge from the Harry Potter films.)

Jaslandia wrote:It seems its formal name is 'The Jacobite'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jacobite_(steam_train)

Donald: We've heard rumors of 'at train. it's nice tae know 'at th' Other Railway hasnae completely given up oan steam.

Douglas: We woods prefer if steam was used fur mair than jist a token toorist service, but I suppose beggars cannae be choosers.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Aldaur wrote:This ^^

We need to get rid of birthright citizenship and make everyone earn the right to vote. Or at least increase the age back to 21 and make them take civic exams first. You should have to know basic knowledge about the Constitution, who your District Representatives, Senators, Governor, President, Vice, and Cabinet are and what they do. Also basic US history and political knowledge (like what the parties believe in, etc.).

This is why I often like immigrants more. They know their stuff and are generally more patriotic and appreciative than the whiner born here.

I definitely agree with teaching civics in school. I was horribly ignorant of the British political system in high school. I didn't even know Scotland had its own parliament! And I was confused by the fact that Scotland "won" its freedom in 1314 yet we were ruled by London (that much I knew.) All of the political stuff I know now is due to my own research,

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:No, I didn't gloss over it. You really didn't need to explain yourself but you did anyway. Doesn't mean I have to like or respect your vote or your reasoning behind it.

I apologize. I assumed you would want to hear my reasoning.

The Scottish Twins wrote:Donald: We've heard rumors of 'at train. it's nice tae know 'at th' Other Railway hasnae completely given up oan steam.

Douglas: We woods prefer if steam was used fur mair than jist a token toorist service, but I suppose beggars cannae be choosers.

*totally reading and hearing this in a Scottish accent*

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:I apologize. I assumed you would want to hear my reasoning.

I did. I was just acknowledging that your vote and the reasoning behind it was your prerogative.

Nuremgard wrote:I definitely agree with teaching civics in school. I was horribly ignorant of the British political system in high school. I didn't even know Scotland had its own parliament! And I was confused by the fact that Scotland "won" its freedom in 1314 yet we were ruled by London (that much I knew.) All of the political stuff I know now is due to my own research,

Civics needs to be it's own permanent class imo.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:Civics needs to be it's own permanent class imo.

Didn't Reagan scrap them? Didn't want the public too informed. An informed, educated populace is dangerous and harder to control.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:*totally reading and hearing this in a Scottish accent*

As you should. They are 'the Scottish Twins' after all.

Aldaur wrote:This ^^

We need to get rid of birthright citizenship and make everyone earn the right to vote. Or at least increase the age back to 21 and make them take civic exams first. You should have to know basic knowledge about the Constitution, who your District Representatives, Senators, Governor, President, Vice, and Cabinet are and what they do. Also basic US history and political knowledge (like what the parties believe in, etc.).

This is why I often like immigrants more. They know their stuff and are generally more patriotic and appreciative than the whiner born here.

I get why people would advocate stuff like that, but considering how such tests have been used in America's past to discriminate against minority voters like African-Americans (since African-American schools were underfunded and thus of inferior quality), many Americans (myself included) are leery of such proposals due to the potential that they could be used as tools of discrimination.

Nuremgard, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

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