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Penguania And Antarctica wrote:You and your friends always brighten up my day. :D

Thank you, Peng! I'm glad you enjoy us!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

You installed a new national policy: Term Limits.

7 minutes ago

You installed a new national policy: Proportional Representation.

7 minutes ago

You installed a new national policy: Devolution.

7 minutes ago

You canceled a national policy: Autocracy.

7 minutes ago

And thus Our Insurgency has become an official democracy, now we can vote on who to bomb next, what war crimes to commit etc. it will a fun ride for everyone involved! except our enemies and civilians but you can't please everyone.

Also hello Percyton how are you? been some time since i last saw you.

Signed by: United Insurgent Mercenary Drug Cartel of Free Iberian Terrorist Trading Mercenaries. (UIMDCOFITTM)

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

i still wonder how the influence thing works.... because for some reason we are the 19th nation with the most influence in our region, and certainly we aren't doing bad even on the world scale.... yet we aren't endorsed by anyone and aren't part of the WA :p

Also i find it funny how large our political freedom is with our civil rights being below average but we have:

Slavery, Serfdom, Child Labour, Capital punishment, Corporal punishment and human sacrifice.... not sure how that is ONLY below average civil rights :p

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Percyton wrote:On the bright side, at least you're the fourth-nicest nation! I'm a bit lower on the list at seventh, but I'm still pretty happy with that.

Toad: Oh dear, I hope they don't mean me, Mr. Oliver. I don't like holes, and a brakevan like me isn't very useful in a hole.

Oliver: *laughs* I think you'll be fine, Toad. It's a food, and it has nothing to do with you or any other toad brakevans. And besides, I would never let anything happen to you.

Toad: I appreciate that, Mr. Oliver. United we stand, together we fall!

Oliver: Quite right.

Duck: Indeed. It's the Great Western Way.

Oliver: *groans* Ugh! I'm Great Western too, and even I'm tired of hearing you prattle on about the 'Great Western Way'.

Duck: Alright, alright, I'll shut up about it for the time being. But even a fellow Great Western could still learn a thing or two from the Great Western way. *puffs away*

Oh my... You guys always bring a smile to my lips. And if you guys ever get exasperated with the "Great Western Way", then come over to our lands... and listen to the "Glorious Eastern Way"!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Eh. She's just another mad Christian like the rest of them.

I'll never understand your hostility to religion

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Chernarus State wrote:I'll never understand your hostility to religion

I had a very bad personal experience with it.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Spanelsko

Spanelsko wrote:You installed a new national policy: Term Limits.

7 minutes ago

You installed a new national policy: Proportional Representation.

7 minutes ago

You installed a new national policy: Devolution.

7 minutes ago

You canceled a national policy: Autocracy.

7 minutes ago

And thus Our Insurgency has become an official democracy, now we can vote on who to bomb next, what war crimes to commit etc. it will a fun ride for everyone involved! except our enemies and civilians but you can't please everyone.

Also hello Percyton how are you? been some time since i last saw you.

Signed by: United Insurgent Mercenary Drug Cartel of Free Iberian Terrorist Trading Mercenaries. (UIMDCOFITTM)

Hello, Span! I'm good. Glad that with the summer holiday season coming to an end, our work has started to slow down a bit. How are you?

Russkov Soviet wrote:Oh my... You guys always bring a smile to my lips. And if you guys ever get exasperated with the "Great Western Way", then come over to our lands... and listen to the "Glorious Eastern Way"!

'Glorious Eastern Way'? What does that mean?

Molly: I mean, for what it's worth, I tried to make the 'Great Eastern Way' a thing a while back, since me and my siblings used to work on the Great Eastern Railway. It never caught on, possibly because I had the self-control not to prattle on about it. Unlike a certain pannier tank engine here...

Duck: Hey! What is this, 'Insulting Duck Day'?

Gordon: At least 'Educating Gordon Day' now has a good counterpart. *chuckles*

Duck: Shut up, Gordon!

https://youtu.be/zil65PE5yl8

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Percyton wrote:Hello, Span! I'm good. Glad that with the summer holiday season coming to an end, our work has started to slow down a bit. How are you?

'Glorious Eastern Way'? What does that mean?

Molly: I mean, for what it's worth, I tried to make the 'Great Eastern Way' a thing a while back, since me and my siblings used to work on the Great Eastern Railway. It never caught on, possibly because I had the self-control not to prattle on about it. Unlike a certain pannier tank engine here...

Duck: Hey! What is this, 'Insulting Duck Day'?

Gordon: At least 'Educating Gordon Day' now has a good counterpart. *chuckles*

Duck: Shut up, Gordon!

https://youtu.be/zil65PE5yl8

The "Glorious Eastern Way" is mostly just the locals talking about how things are so much better under the Soviet system we have now. After hearing Duck prattle on about the "Great Western Way", some of our citizens decided to create their own version just for the hell of it.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Mercunova wrote:Sinead O'Connor should be invited back to SNL, given a formal, public apology by Lorne Michaels, and allowed to rip up a photo of the current pope as well.
Nuremgard wrote:Eh. She's just another mad Christian like the rest of them.

I feel sorry for her tbh.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Lex Caledonia wrote:I feel sorry for her tbh.

She was abused as a kid so I can understand why she is the way she is.

Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Hello, Span! I'm good. Glad that with the summer holiday season coming to an end, our work has started to slow down a bit. How are you?

Great, our nation is prospering more then ever before, not only because we actually changed what all the regimes destroyed but also because we embraced two things we are best at, insanity and violence, thus we decided to become a criminal paradise of the world, we have people in Colombia, Mexico, African nations, Middle-East, South East Asia, and even in some European nations.... if you hear anything about multiple suicide bombings in Moscow you have never seen me k? Now i be on my way to Sicily.... don't ask why again and we totally aren't involved in stuff with the Italian Mafia.

Signed by: President of Confederate States of Criminal Iberia.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Guten Tag.

How are you all? :)

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Tag.

How are you all? :)

Hello, Peng! I'm doing good. Just got back from class, and now I'm resting for a bit before going to lunch. How are you?

Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Jaslandia wrote:Hello, Peng! I'm doing good. Just got back from class, and now I'm resting for a bit before going to lunch. How are you?

I'm doing alright for the most part.

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm doing alright for the most part.

That's good to hear.

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Tag.

How are you all? :)

I'm pretty good, and I can see you and Jas are as well.

Spanelsko wrote:multiple suicide bombings in Moscow

Excuse you? What do you think your doing?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

I wish you all a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight.

Goodnight. <3

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:I'm pretty good, and I can see you and Jas are as well.

Excuse you? What do you think your doing?

Nothing ahah... i have no clue what you are talking about comrade...... (meanwhile on the radio) *all units begin the attack... kill the wife of the president and try to get him too.... otherwise focus on killing civilians and causing chaos, you can use assault rifles too and don't let them capture you.... if they do use the suicide pills, long live the revolution and money! Revenge for Madrid has now begun! Down with the bolshevik horses!*

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I wish you all a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight.

Goodnight. <3

Good night Peng :)

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

I’m glad at the least May is promising heavy investment in Africa post-brexit. I know it pales in comparison to the sham of her government, but it’s important we develop close ties with our former commonwealth colonies and repay our debt and give back.

Penguania And Antarctica, Anglia Imperium

RMB has been rather quiet lately...

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Jaslandia wrote:RMB has been rather quiet lately...

Yeah it has. Maybe people are just busy. Schools and colleges are starting back now.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:RMB has been rather quiet lately...

Well... OOC, I've been busy with work and family as usual.... And IC, I'm mobilizing the entire Red Army to combat Spanelsko's sudden insurgency upon my nation. So far the war is in our favor, but I remain cautious.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Well... OOC, I've been busy with work and family as usual.... And IC, I'm mobilizing the entire Red Army to combat Spanelsko's sudden insurgency upon my nation. So far the war is in our favor, but I remain cautious.

Nice. In my UK, I've just declared myself absolute monarch and outlawed elections.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah it has. Maybe people are just busy. Schools and colleges are starting back now.

True. I recently started university myself, so I've also been more busy than usual.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:True. I recently started university myself, so I've also been more busy than usual.

I'm starting my third year in a couple of weeks.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I'm starting my third year in a couple of weeks.

Good luck!

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Good luck!

You too!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russkov Soviet wrote:Well... OOC, I've been busy with work and family as usual.... And IC, I'm mobilizing the entire Red Army to combat Spanelsko's sudden insurgency upon my nation. So far the war is in our favor, but I remain cautious.

OOC i hope your doing ok with both, managing family matters and work can be rather stressful.

IC

(meanwhile in Barcelona)

Field Marshall President: It seems that we were actually found out... then it is time, activate all insurgency groups in Ruskov,

Siberian White Army, Fascist Front of Greater Russia and the Euroasian National Bolshevik Brotherhood. Same for all our own groups in Ruskov, we will show them what war of genocide looks like in full scale, for chaos!

Official Declaration by the FMPC: We officially declare Crusade against the Bolsheviks of Ruskov, all our brothers and sisters that fought for our freedom will be avenged! May blood and screams of our enemies be all they have left! No mercy! FOR CHAOS!

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

On a completely unrelated note, i hope you all have a great day :)

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Spanelsko wrote:On a completely unrelated note, i hope you all have a great day :)

Thanks. Same to you. :)

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia

British and French fishermen were fighting over scallops in the English Channel lol.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:British and French fishermen were fighting over scallops in the English Channel lol.

The ancient rivalry continues. XD

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Last year of college/uni. Then to decide if I really hate myself and go for three more...

Bearlong, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Au Minbo wrote:Last year of college/uni. Then to decide if I really hate myself and go for three more...

What are you studying if I may ask?

Bearlong

Au Minbo wrote:Last year of college/uni. Then to decide if I really hate myself and go for three more...

Only started on my third semester, still got another 3-4 to go, plus moving from community college to university.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:What are you studying if I may ask?

I am a filthy liberal arts student. I study political science.

Bearlong, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Au Minbo wrote:I am a filthy liberal arts student. I study political science.

Looks like we're on the same boat :p

Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Penguania And Antarctica

Corbyn: protested against apartheid when Tories were calling for the execution of Mandela.

May: skewered in an interview in South Africa for not speaking out against apartheid or the demonisation of Mandela.

Media: Corbyn is clearly the racist one. You should support lovely May instead.

Axeldonia

Au Minbo wrote:I am a filthy liberal arts student. I study political science.

haha me too it's horrible

Bearlong, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:haha me too it's horrible

I did International Relations. I hated it.

Nuremgard wrote:I did International Relations. I hated it.

One of my favourite subjects bar history of warfare

Yukona wrote:One of my favourite subjects bar history of warfare

I enjoy learning about foreign policy and how different states interact with each other but I hated learning the supposedly scientific theories and jargon behind it.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/30/kenya-president-rebukes-theresa-may-last-day-africa-trip

Kenya's president throwing shade. I love it. You go, Glenn Coco.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I enjoy learning about foreign policy and how different states interact with each other but I hated learning the supposedly scientific theories and jargon behind it.

That’s very Gramscian of you

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:That’s very Gramscian of you

https://youtu.be/NbfZJyGChEk?t=7

Continental Commonwealths wrote:That’s very Gramscian of you

This guy international relations theories

Bearlong, Penguania And Antarctica

Saw Kim Woodburn on Loose Women. Could not believe the way they were all ganging up on her. Even the audience got in on it. I cant stand those Nolan sisters and that bitch Janet Street Porter.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Saw Kim Woodburn on Loose Women. Could not believe the way they were all ganging up on her. Even the audience got in on it. I cant stand those Nolan sisters and that bitch Janet Street Porter.

We now know that you watch Loose Women.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Anglia Imperium

Mercunova wrote:We now know that you watch Loose Women.

I actually don't lol

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:I actually don't lol

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/354/591/17c.png

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:RMB has been rather quiet lately...

My exuse is that I've been struck with the kind of flu that can only come from weeks of incubation in a kindergarten.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Saw Kim Woodburn on Loose Women. Could not believe the way they were all ganging up on her. Even the audience got in on it. I cant stand those Nolan sisters and that bitch Janet Street Porter.

Loose Women? Can you pop candy from them? I imagine that would make someone tired.

https://dai.ly/x3avfv6

Nuremgard wrote:I actually don't lol

https://youtu.be/ciG0FvIUxKM

Axeldonia wrote:My exuse is that I've been struck with the kind of flu that can only come from weeks of incubation in a kindergarten.

Sorry to hear that. My condolences. What brought you to a kindergarten?

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/354/591/17c.png

I swear on my mum's life I don't watch it. Me and her only skipped through it today to see what the drama with Kim Woodburn.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Jaslandia wrote:

Sorry to hear that. My condolences. What brought you to a kindergarten?

My mom infected me, she's working in one at the moment :P

Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:My mom infected me, she's working in one at the moment :P

Ah. That makes sense.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Loose Women? Can you pop candy from them? I imagine that would make someone tired.

6 out of 10. Satisfactory word salad.

Mercunova

Guten Abend :)

Wie geht's?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Abend :)

Wie geht's?

I'm good. How are you? I found a new BBC drama about a handsome Scottish bodyguard who enters into a relationship with the Home Secretary of the UK. It's really good.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I'm good. How are you? I found a new BBC drama about a handsome Scottish bodyguard who enters into a relationship with the Home Secretary of the UK. It's really good.

I'm doing okay. Quite tired to be honest. I'll go on a day trip to Poland with some mates tomorrow. :)

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm doing okay. Quite tired to be honest. I'll go on a day trip to Poland with some mates tomorrow. :)

Oh, very nice. I had some relatives who went there recently. They said it's a beautiful country.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, very nice. I had some relatives who went there recently. They said it's a beautiful country.

And cheap moneywise. :)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:And cheap moneywise. :)

I remember them saying that too.

Penguania And Antarctica

I'm glad the RMB is not going crazy, I hate when there's 100-300 in a day and it's hard to keep up.

Bearlong, Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Mercunova

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Abend :)

Wie geht's?

Guten Tag!

Es geht mir ziemlich gut, was die Dinge geht. Aus Charakter, ich bin einfach nur froh, dass wir ein volles Personal haben. Das Deli war in diesen Tagen ungewöhnlich beschäftigt. Im Charakter bin ich nicht so gut. Es scheint, dass spanelsko beschlossen hat, mir totalen Krieg zu erklären. Sieht aus wie ein anderer "großer Vaterländischen Krieg " wird geschehen.

(ich spreche kein Deutsch. Ich habe einen Übersetzer benutzt. Ich dachte, es würde Spaß machen, ein paar andere Sprachen zu werfen!)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russkov Soviet wrote:Guten Tag!

Es geht mir ziemlich gut, was die Dinge geht. Aus Charakter, ich bin einfach nur froh, dass wir ein volles Personal haben. Das Deli war in diesen Tagen ungewöhnlich beschäftigt. Im Charakter bin ich nicht so gut. Es scheint, dass spanelsko beschlossen hat, mir totalen Krieg zu erklären. Sieht aus wie ein anderer "großer Vaterländischen Krieg " wird geschehen.

(ich spreche kein Deutsch. Ich habe einen Übersetzer benutzt. Ich dachte, es würde Spaß machen, ein paar andere Sprachen zu werfen!)

Not perfect but I get you. :)

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Deimosan wrote:I'm glad the RMB is not going crazy, I hate when there's 100-300 in a day and it's hard to keep up.

Cool flag.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Deimosan wrote:I'm glad the RMB is not going crazy, I hate when there's 100-300 in a day and it's hard to keep up.

Nuremgard wrote:Cool flag.

Ditto

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Cool flag.

Thanks, it used to be something else but I found another nation with the very same flag so I changed it.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Deimosan wrote:Thanks, it used to be something else but I found another nation with the very same flag so I changed it.

I like that you're a Secular State too.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Deimosan

Yeah, religion isn't exactly high on my priority list. Same goes for outside NationStates.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Deimosan wrote:Yeah, religion isn't exactly high on my priority list. Same goes for outside NationStates.

You and me both.

Penguania And Antarctica

Trump supporters are like Corbyn supporters in that both become more supportive of their dear leader leader the more the media criticizes Trump or Corbyn.

Mercunova

Gualimole wrote:Trump supporters are like Corbyn supporters in that both become more supportive of their dear leader leader the more the media criticizes Trump or Corbyn.
Horseshoe theory proven again.

Mercunova

Gualimole wrote:Trump supporters are like Corbyn supporters in that both become more supportive of their dear leader leader the more the media criticizes Trump or Corbyn.

The difference being Corbyn doesn't deserve the media hate-fest thrown his way.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

The difference being Corbyn doesn't deserve the media hate-fest thrown his way.

The fact that he is ignoring anti-Semitism in his party is pretty bad. So is him barely doing any campaigning for Remain in the Brexit referendum. Despite their ideological differences, one of the few things that Trump and Corbyn have in common is that both are anti-internationalist.

Gualimole wrote:The fact that he is ignoring anti-Semitism in his party is pretty bad. So is him barely doing any campaigning for Remain in the Brexit referendum. Despite their ideological differences, one of the few things that Trump and Corbyn have in common is that both are anti-internationalist.

Antisemitism within Labour is overblown and exaggerated. It's a coordinated effort by the rightists in the party to remove a leader they dislike. Corbyn wants to bring Labour back to its leftists roots and the Blairites hate him for it. Antisemitism is a smokescreen.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

Antisemitism within Labour is overblown and exaggerated. It's a coordinated effort by the rightists in the party to remove a leader they dislike. Corbyn wants to bring Labour back to its leftists roots and the Blairites hate him for it. Antisemitism is a smokescreen.

You're proving what I am saying. Every criticism of Corbyn prompts his supporters to make it seem as though the world is against them because they know too much. Same with Trump.

Yukona

Gualimole wrote:You're proving what I am saying. Every criticism of Corbyn prompts his supporters to make it seem as though the world is against them because they know too much. Same with Trump.

But practically the entire media and establishment is against Corbyn and for the wrong reasons. Also, I'm no supporter of Corbyn. I'm pretty lukewarm towards him but I find this antisemitism and "hard left" nonsense utterly hysterical.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

But practically the entire media and establishment is against Corbyn and for the wrong reasons. Also, I'm no supporter of Corbyn. I'm pretty lukewarm towards him but I find this antisemitism and "hard left" nonsense utterly hysterical.

And guess what? Supporters of Trump say that the media and the establishment are all against him for the wrong reasons. Personally, I would rather trust actual journalists and politicians who interact with the figures in question over rabid supporters with conspiratorial mindsets.

In an ideal world, the three major British parties would be New Labour, One Nation Conservatives, and the Lib Dems.

Gualimole wrote:And guess what? Supporters of Trump say that the media and the establishment are all against him for the wrong reasons. Personally, I would rather trust actual journalists and politicians who interact with the figures in question over rabid supporters with conspiratorial mindsets.

In an ideal world, the three major British parties would be New Labour, One Nation Conservatives, and the Lib Dems.

New Labour as in Blairite, Tory-lite Labour? And one-nation Tories don't exist. As for the Lib Dems, they're irrelevant.

Axeldonia

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Nuremgard wrote:

New Labour as in Blairite, Tory-lite Labour? And one-nation Tories don't exist. As for the Lib Dems, they're irrelevant.

Yes, the "Tory-lite" New Labour that introduced the minimum wage and presided over the Good Friday Agreement.

Gualimole wrote:Yes, the "Tory-lite" New Labour that introduced the minimum wage and presided over the Good Friday Agreement.

And started a war in Iraq on false pretences which has led to death, suffering, misery and chaos.

Axeldonia, Yukona

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Nuremgard wrote:

And started a war in Iraq on false pretences which has led to death, suffering, misery and chaos.

False pretenses?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Gualimole wrote:False pretenses?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

Iraq was not invaded because Hussein used chemical weapons. The West was quite happy for him to use chemical weapons on the Iranians. Iraq was invaded because it was supposed to have WMD. That turned out to be BS.

Nuremgard wrote:

Iraq was not invaded because Hussein used chemical weapons. The West was quite happy for him to use chemical weapons on the Iranians. Iraq was invaded because it was supposed to have WMD. That turned out to be BS.

The article I linked shows that Iraq had WMDs.

Gualimole wrote:The article I linked shows that Iraq had WMDs.

Iraq (and the ME in general) is so much better off now isn't it?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

Iraq (and the ME in general) is so much better off now isn't it?

Iraq is actually starting to stabilize now. We had a recent round of elections in 2018 and we'll be having governorate elections in 2019. That would've never happened under Saddam or his hell spawn.

Gualimole wrote:Iraq is actually starting to stabilize now. We had a recent round of elections in 2018 and we'll be having governorate elections in 2019. That would've never happened under Saddam or his hell spawn.

Your country is still tearing itself to pieces over sectarianism. Then again, the ME has been doing that since forever.

Nuremgard wrote:

Your country is still tearing itself to pieces over sectarianism. Then again, the ME has been doing that since forever.

Actually, the recent round of elections was more about actual policy than sectarian divides. The war against ISIS has been over since December of last year.

Gualimole wrote:Actually, the recent round of elections was more about actual policy than sectarian divides. The war against ISIS has been over since December of last year.

Great. Then the West should pull all of its forces out of the ME and leave them to it (in an deal world.)

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

Great. Then the West should pull all of its forces out of the ME and leave them to it (in an deal world.)

The US has left Iraq. The Iraq War ended in 2011 and US bombing in Iraq against ISIS ended a few years back.

Gualimole wrote:The US has left Iraq. The Iraq War ended in 2011 and US bombing in Iraq against ISIS ended a few years back.

Yet we're still deploying more troops to the ME and now journos here are advocating intervention in Syria.

Axeldonia

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Yet we're still deploying more troops to the ME and now journos here are advocating intervention in Syria.

Troops to where in the ME? The region is not a monolith os sectarian violence, which is what many, including you, think of it. Also, considering how Syria is ruled by a dictator who murders his own people, intervention is not the worst option. In matters of foreign policy, we should pursue whatever prevents the most suffering, whether it be intervention or non-intervention.

Yukona

Gualimole wrote:Troops to where in the ME? The region is not a monolith os sectarian violence, which is what many, including you, think of it. Also, considering how Syria is ruled by a dictator who murders his own people, intervention is not the worst option. In matters of foreign policy, we should pursue whatever prevents the most sufferings, whether it be intervention or non-intervention.

More troops are being sent to Afghanistan. And if you're so keen on getting rid of Asaad, go join the army and do it then. I'm sure the Jihadis waiting in the wings to take over with western help will be most grateful.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

More troops are being sent to Afghanistan. And if you're so keen on getting rid of Asaad, go join the army and do it then. I'm sure the Jihadis waiting in the wings to take over with western help will be most grateful.

And they're there to deal with the Taliban insurgency. The Taliban aren't exactly great. In fact, you could call them Jihadists, who you are against in Syria as opposed to the dictator who murders women and children. Fortunately, the peace process is slowly beginning in the country, which is good. Those troops won't be staying for long.

Also, why should I join the army just to prove a point? I can have opinions without necessarily acting on them in the most extreme way possible.

Yukona

Gualimole wrote:And they're there to deal with the Taliban insurgency. The Taliban aren't exactly great. In fact, you could call them Jihadists, who you are against in Syria as opposed to the dictator who murders women and children. Fortunately, the peace process is slowly beginning in the country, which is good. Those troops won't be staying for long.

Also, why should I join the army just to prove a point? I can have opinions without necessarily acting on them in the most extreme way possible.

I am not for or against any dictators. I am all for letting the ME solve its own issues without shedding my own countrymen's blood.

Ah, so you're like the pro-war politicians. All for intervention as long as you're not the one personally intervening.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:

I am not for or against any dictators. I am all for letting the ME solve its own issues without shedding my own countrymen's blood.

Ah, so you're like the pro-war politicians. All for intervention as long as you're not the one personally intervening.

You seem to only apply that logic on intervention to intervention. Using your logic, I could argue that anyone who does not act on their opinions is a hypocrite.

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