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Everestopia wrote:Haha, same. How old are you?

Twenty-five since June.

Everestopia, Nuremgard

Sulania wrote:Are you assuming that a) different Native Americans had the same religion and b) that they all have the same creation story?

Because neither are true. In fact, Native Americans, had various beliefs across the Americas, and there are various different creation accounts between them. You could say they were just as diverse as Asia in terms of their religious beliefs.

Didn't mean to cause offence. I was referring to Europeans and their religion. Not the different religions of Native Americans. Believing there is a single creater like Christianity and then Earth Diver storys, where an animal dives into the ocean and brings up mud which then creates land. I thought it was an interesting view of how earth became.

Not assuming all Natives have the same religion though, just saying its interesting.

Russkov Soviet, Continental Commonwealths, Yukona

Theresa May is to tell the European Union it is time to drop what she feels is their inflexible view on an Irish border solution and “evolve” their position to break the impasse in Brexit talks.

Shut the f*ck up, you stupid, arrogant old crone. You're leaving the EU, so you sort the problem. It's the WTO that demands a hard border, not the EU. God, I cant stand this f*cking wretched woman.

Russkov Soviet, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:ATTENTION

As per my resignation letter submitted, I hereby resign today, July 20th, at 1:28PM.

Thank you,

Sulania

Thank you for your service to this community. :D

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:It's good to know only politicians who help their country are considered shrewd, now. :p

Have a safe flight Texu.

Just woke up, ready to play some games :>

Just landed

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Theresa May is to tell the European Union it is time to drop what she feels is their inflexible view on an Irish border solution and “evolve” their position to break the impasse in Brexit talks.

Shut the f*ck up, you stupid, arrogant old crone. You're leaving the EU, so you sort the problem. It's the WTO that demands a hard border, not the EU. God, I cant stand this f*cking wretched woman.

As it looks now she wants a Britain with all benefits of the EU without being a part of it. Free trade agreement, economic zone and a bunch of other stuff.

I found it funny when they said on the news the other that May wants to still follow EU guidelines and regulations to ensure 'compatibility' of British economy with EU economy. And now comes the fun part: Britain won't have a say on regulations and guidelines of the EU if it leaves the EU. And isn't that what they complaint about? Oh the irony.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Oelesa, Gualimole

Sulania wrote:ATTENTION

As per my resignation letter submitted, I hereby resign today, July 20th, at 1:28PM.

Thank you,

Sulania

Your service to this region and others has been a wonderful thing. Thank you for all you have done.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Chernarus State wrote:Just landed

The eagle has landed. :)

Chernarus State

On behalf of the Equestrian Union, I want to thank President Slaine Hess on their service to the community and the greater Confederacy. It has been an honor to work with you.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:Got a wee thing for older men have we? You're not the only one.

How old is he? ;P

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:As it looks now she wants a Britain with all benefits of the EU without being a part of it. Free trade agreement, economic zone and a bunch of other stuff.

I found it funny when they said on the news the other that May wants to still follow EU guidelines and regulations to ensure 'compatibility' of British economy with EU economy. And now comes the fun part: Britain won't have a say on regulations and guidelines of the EU if it leaves the EU. And isn't that what they complaint about? Oh the irony.

A pretty big part of this, IIRC, is Britain's consummate wish to not suddenly be robbed of Airbus. It also makes it more likely for Britain to hop on EU related defense projects in the future when Tempest gets cancelled.

Penguania And Antarctica

Though I still wait to be officially confirmed, I will not wait to get to work.

So.

To get us started on the right foot, I want to open my telegram box to open feedback. Anything and everything that you do or don't like about any aspect of the CoFN (barring complaints centered around specific individuals) may be expressed to me, and I will make a note of it so that issues can be fixed and successes can be expanded upon in the future.

Dual Consuls or not, change must start now.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Midasia

Sometimes the Discord is just horrible.

Everestopia, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Mercunova

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Sometimes the Discord is just horrible.

More like most of the time.

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Sometimes the Discord is just horrible.

What's happening now?

Kalaron wrote:What's happening now?

The usual. People writing crazy stuff.

Kalaron

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=le_bobs_and_vvjj

Yukona

Gualimole wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=le_bobs_and_vvjj

Kill it with fire. (Did I say fire? I meant nuke it. With a Hydrogen bomb.. or 100 of them.)

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:As it looks now she wants a Britain with all benefits of the EU without being a part of it. Free trade agreement, economic zone and a bunch of other stuff.

I found it funny when they said on the news the other that May wants to still follow EU guidelines and regulations to ensure 'compatibility' of British economy with EU economy. And now comes the fun part: Britain won't have a say on regulations and guidelines of the EU if it leaves the EU. And isn't that what they complaint about? Oh the irony.

They want to leave the club and not pay any membership fees but still use the club's facilities and reap its benefits.

Penguania And Antarctica

Everestopia wrote:How old is he? ;P

37.

Gualimole wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=le_bobs_and_vvjj

It no longer exists. What was it?

Nuremgard wrote:It no longer exists. What was it?

A nation some random person made.

Gualimole wrote:A nation some random person made.

It was clearly offensive because it got removed so what was offensive about it?

Russkov Soviet

Nuremgard wrote:It was clearly offensive because it got removed so what was offensive about it?

Le bobs and vvjj... It's a play on a meme of some sort. It's supposed to be Le *boobs and vag*.

Nuremgard

Russkov Soviet wrote:Le bobs and vvjj... It's a play on a meme of some sort. It's supposed to be Le *boobs and vag*.

Ah, right. I remember I once reported a nation to the mods because it was called "Gazalldejews"

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:A pretty big part of this, IIRC, is Britain's consummate wish to not suddenly be robbed of Airbus. It also makes it more likely for Britain to hop on EU related defense projects in the future when Tempest gets cancelled.

You speak so certainly

Gualimole

Yukona wrote:You speak so certainly

Any country that does not spend $700 billion on defense each year has a semi-real military, so, of course, he can certain.

Nuremgard, Yukona

Goodnight friends.

Everestopia, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Yukona wrote:You speak so certainly

I do, for much the same reason I spoke so certainly about the SU-57 not being mass produced. Making a fifth gen is something only the US, Russia and China have done, and China and Russia are both massively dubious because they still don't even have fifth gen engines despite Russia trying for forty years and China having no shortage of chances to steal information from the US. There's a reason the AL-41 Saturn was such a big thing, and a reason it's continued absence is a bad thing for Russia's aircraft.

These factors are part of what makes it so difficult for countries to make a proper fifth gen aircraft. Both the Chinese and the Russians are in the middle of massive renovations and have come to the conclusion that even with their massive inflow of cash, it simply wouldn't be feasible to develop either their own engine (China) or continue pouring money into it at the cost of other systems (Russia).

Suffice to say, making a F-22 alike cost an estimated 10 billion using Russia's naturally lowered costs (This is the land of claiming things to be better than they are, after all) without a proper engine, or electronics like the side-facing radars they wanted. This is much closer to Britain jumping into the deep end of the F-35's computational complexities. When you consider that it becomes obvious that this will cost significantly more than Britain's expecting, and is most certainly going to face cancellation in favor of F-35s.

Russkov Soviet

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight friends.

Night, Peng.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:I do, for much the same reason I spoke so certainly about the SU-57 not being mass produced. Making a fifth gen is something only the US, Russia and China have done, and China and Russia are both massively dubious because they still don't even have fifth gen engines despite Russia trying for forty years and China having no shortage of chances to steal information from the US. There's a reason the AL-41 Saturn was such a big thing, and a reason it's continued absence is a bad thing for Russia's aircraft.

These factors are part of what makes it so difficult for countries to make a proper fifth gen aircraft. Both the Chinese and the Russians are in the middle of massive renovations and have come to the conclusion that even with their massive inflow of cash, it simply wouldn't be feasible to develop either their own engine (China) or continue pouring money into it at the cost of other systems (Russia).

Suffice to say, making a F-22 alike cost an estimated 10 billion using Russia's naturally lowered costs (This is the land of claiming things to be better than they are, after all) without a proper engine, or electronics like the side-facing radars they wanted. This is much closer to Britain jumping into the deep end of the F-35's computational complexities. When you consider that it becomes obvious that this will cost significantly more than Britain's expecting, and is most certainly going to face cancellation in favor of F-35s.

Would it make more sense to just upgrade the existing Su-35's? And I'll also have that picture at some point. I work 13 hour shifts, so time isn't what I want.

Evening all!

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:Not bad.

Aye he's nice. I like Aleksandr, Xavier and Nikolai though.

Russkov Soviet wrote:Would it make more sense to just upgrade the existing Su-35's? And I'll also have that picture at some point. I work 13 hour shifts, so time isn't what I want.

Sorta, but it really depends on what you want. You'll never get a stealthy aircraft out of an already existing airframe because of the vast divide between "Low observable" and "Stealthy" but you can certainly get half way there with said Low Observable status. There's also limits to what the engines of a fourth gen can do, as well. There's a reason the Japanese F-16 (F-2) is larger and has heavier engines, and it's mostly because they're hitting the limit on what the current ones can do.

Russkov Soviet

Nuremgard wrote:Aye he's nice. I like Aleksandr, Xavier and Nikolai though.

Haha, greedy much! :P

Everestopia wrote:Haha, greedy much! :P

I've always been a greedy boy.

Everestopia

Should I write a new national anthem? Currently the "Ode to the Motherland" is based off of the English translation of the Soviet National Anthem. If I should, what should the tune be?

Russkov Soviet, Oelesa

Kalaron wrote:I do, for much the same reason I spoke so certainly about the SU-57 not being mass produced. Making a fifth gen is something only the US, Russia and China have done, and China and Russia are both massively dubious because they still don't even have fifth gen engines despite Russia trying for forty years and China having no shortage of chances to steal information from the US. There's a reason the AL-41 Saturn was such a big thing, and a reason it's continued absence is a bad thing for Russia's aircraft.

These factors are part of what makes it so difficult for countries to make a proper fifth gen aircraft. Both the Chinese and the Russians are in the middle of massive renovations and have come to the conclusion that even with their massive inflow of cash, it simply wouldn't be feasible to develop either their own engine (China) or continue pouring money into it at the cost of other systems (Russia).

Suffice to say, making a F-22 alike cost an estimated 10 billion using Russia's naturally lowered costs (This is the land of claiming things to be better than they are, after all) without a proper engine, or electronics like the side-facing radars they wanted. This is much closer to Britain jumping into the deep end of the F-35's computational complexities. When you consider that it becomes obvious that this will cost significantly more than Britain's expecting, and is most certainly going to face cancellation in favor of F-35s.

It’s still not a certainty though, that’s just opinion as fact

Gualimole

Yukona wrote:It’s still not a certainty though, that’s just opinion as fact

Oy vey...

Yukona

Sulania wrote:Oy vey...

Shabbat shalom

Yukona wrote:It’s still not a certainty though, that’s just opinion as fact

Sure, and Iran's Qahar-313 can't be verified as a "fake" stealth jet without people on-site analyzing it. We can, of course, still point out the various problems with it that make it clear that it won't be made. The reality of this situation is that Britain would do very well to get to the point where they can get the skin to be radar-flush without micro-fissures without coopting the F-35s industry.

I've already pointed out the numerous problems with Britain's idea that it can skip a generation of aircraft without incurring further costs on itself, and towards Britain's idea that it can do so with less advanced industry than is behind the F-35.

To make this more clear, if Britain can get a fifth generation aircraft, then there's no reason that the only people who've actually shown results would be the US, the Russians and China. If it's as difficult as I've shown multiple times, then there's plenty of reason for these countries to struggle.

If you still feel compelled to believe that Britain will somehow defy statistics and historical trend (and their current spending habits), then I can only suggest reading about the topic and exploring how expensive a fifth generation aircraft really is. You'll quickly find that Britain has bitten off more in a single bite than the F-35 even did.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22190/the-u-k-s-new-tempest-stealth-fighter-project-already-faces-serious-challenges

As a final bit, the F-35 relied on massive scales of economy to drop the price. Britain will be one of the few buyers of this aircraft since Germany and France are working on their own.

Midasia wrote:Should I write a new national anthem? Currently the "Ode to the Motherland" is based off of the English translation of the Soviet National Anthem. If I should, what should the tune be?

Hmm... I made my own. It's not based on anything, I don't think. I do imagine a more... Hispanic one for you. Your nation seems a bit too Imperial for a Communist based anthem.

Midasia

Kalaron wrote:Sure, and Iran's Qahar-313 can't be verified as a "fake" stealth jet without people on-site analyzing it. We can, of course, still point out the various problems with it that make it clear that it won't be made. The reality of this situation is that Britain would do very well to get to the point where they can get the skin to be radar-flush without micro-fissures without coopting the F-35s industry.

I've already pointed out the numerous problems with Britain's idea that it can skip a generation of aircraft without incurring further costs on itself, and towards Britain's idea that it can do so with less advanced industry than is behind the F-35.

To make this more clear, if Britain can get a fifth generation aircraft, then there's no reason that the only people who've actually shown results would be the US, the Russians and China. If it's as difficult as I've shown multiple times, then there's plenty of reason for these countries to struggle.

If you still feel compelled to believe that Britain will somehow defy statistics and historical trend (and their current spending habits), then I can only suggest reading about the topic and exploring how expensive a fifth generation aircraft really is. You'll quickly find that Britain has bitten off more in a single bite than the F-35 even did.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22190/the-u-k-s-new-tempest-stealth-fighter-project-already-faces-serious-challenges

As a final bit, the F-35 relied on massive scales of economy to drop the price. Britain will be one of the few buyers of this aircraft since Germany and France are working on their own.

No, don’t know why you felt compelled to write all that, I was just saying your speaking with certainty and no if ands or buts, but really none of us know, it’s just your opinion, there are experts who disagree with you as much as there are that agree with you and that we’ll just have to see what the future holds as we simply can’t foresee it, and because of that can’t be certain in our opinions accuracy

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Gualimole

Christ

holds head

Too.. much.. boring.. bullsh!t....

Faints

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Midasia

Mercunova wrote:Christ

holds head

Too.. much.. boring.. bullsh!t....

Faints

Some of us here are broken records, really.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Yukona wrote:No, don’t know why you felt compelled to write all that, I was just saying your speaking with certainty and no if ands or buts, but really none of us know, it’s just your opinion, there are experts who disagree with you as much as there are that agree with you and that we’ll just have to see what the future holds as we simply can’t foresee it, and because of that can’t be certain in our opinions accuracy

Which ones do? Please link it? I stand certain that I can disprove their remarks.

I can certainly predict the future with increasing degrees of accuracy when I have distinguished reference points like the F-35, PAK-FA, J-31 and J-20. Except, of course, you don't even get why those reference points are relevant clearly if you "don't know why you felt compelled to write all that".

The argument of "you can't know that" is all well and good when someone predicts a major change to physics. It's even all well and good when someone says "FTL might be possible because of a law we've yet to discover" because science is always changing. Unfortunately, this isn't a matter of unknowns, it's a matter of known variables influencing an ultimate product. We can know that it takes a large amount of MIC base to produce a fifth gen engine. We know this because two large countries that have been increasing said base steadily still can't do it yet despite trying for years (Since 1995, for Russia). We can know that it takes a large industrial base to seal aircraft skins without the micro-fissures that would make radar spotting easier. We can know that it's incredibly hard to hammer out the programming of an F-35 alike because there are still conflicts within the F-35 despite billions having been spent and years under it's belt. So Britain's ridiculous claims are, indeed, ridiculous when taken together.

The data is there if you'd only care to read rather than hiding behind slim and decreasing chances that Britain will somehow show that billions in defense spending actually mean nothing and that they can totally accomplish their plan in less time with less cost than the closest analogue. Any reading that could be done by you would show the trend of these planes to be exorbitantly expensive. Here's some reading if you want to see the results of actually spending significant amounts of funding on your MIC's program. This is the same set of facts that made the Eurofighter need to be the Eurofighter, are you really so certain Britain is in such a better place economically that they can afford to stake out on a F-35-esque fighter? You're wrong if you are.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL30563.pdf

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a25678/the-cost-of-new-fighters-keeps-going-up-up-up/

http://www.janes.com/article/43616/analysis-expectations-for-deployment-of-fifth-generation-fighters

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20347/its-no-surprise-india-finally-ditched-its-stealth-fighter-program-with-russia

I was just followed by Senator Klobuchar!

Midasia wrote:I was just followed by Senator Klobuchar!

Are you now in on all of those far-left Democratic conspiracies?

Gualimole wrote:Are you now in on all of those far-left Democratic conspiracies?

Amy Klobuchar isn't a far-left Democrat. I don't believe many conspiracies.

Can I issue a decree to ban discussions of military technology on our RMB before I'm out of office?

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Yukona, Midasia

Mercunova wrote:Can I issue a decree to ban discussions of military technology on our RMB before I'm out of office?

You might as well set up a new region just for that while you're at it.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Can I issue a decree to ban discussions of military technology on our RMB before I'm out of office?

You can certainly try :V

Jaslandia, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Can I issue a decree to ban discussions of military technology on our RMB before I'm out of office?

Make this an opportunity to take power as Minister of General Affairs!

Oelesa

Kalaron wrote:You can certainly try :V

Oh, I'd like to try. It's getting to be fvcking annoying.

Jaslandia, Unfallious, Yukona, Gualimole, Midasia

Midasia wrote:You might as well set up a new region just for that while you're at it.

Not a bad idea, actually.

Mercunova

Midasia wrote:Amy Klobuchar isn't a far-left Democrat. I don't believe many conspiracies.

She's a liberal socialist communist Marxist anarchist Antifa supporter.

Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Oh, I'd like to try. It's getting to be fvcking annoying.

How about we do a coup and install you as Emperor?

Jaslandia, Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:How about we do a coup and install you as Emperor?

No, I like Minister of General Affairs better. It sounds more professional.

Nuremgard, Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:How about we do a coup and install you as Emperor?

Your going to set up a coup against him then install him as Emperor?!

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Oh, I'd like to try. It's getting to be fvcking annoying.

Different strokes for different folks :P

Gualimole wrote:No, I like Minister of General Affairs better. It sounds more professional.

There's already a split in the revolutionaries between dirty republican commies like Gual and noble-blooded monarchists like me.

All hail His Imperial Majesty Mercunova!

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Midasia

Midasia wrote:Your going to set up a coup against him then install him as Emperor?!

Oh yeah. Good point.

What I mean is, let's install him as Emperor.

Penguania And Antarctica, Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:Oh yeah. Good point.

What I mean is, let's install him as Emperor.

It seems I am the voice of reason now.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Midasia wrote:Your going to set up a coup against him then install him as Emperor?!

Nuremgard

Make up my mind! Do you want me in office or no?!?!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Midasia wrote:You might as well set up a new region just for that while you're at it.

Moving to the Consulate of Free Nations would be somewhat exciting but also inexcusably tedious

Nuremgard wrote:There's already a split in the revolutionaries between dirty republican commies like Gual and noble-blooded monarchists like me.

All hail His Imperial Majesty Mercunova!

Remember what happened the last time we had a monarch?

Glory to the Minister of General Affairs, the Protector of our Liberties, Mercunova!

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Nuremgard

Make up my mind! Do you want me in office or no?!?!

I do. I want you as a monarch so you can reign for life!

Nuremgard wrote:There's already a split in the revolutionaries between dirty republican commies like Gual and noble-blooded monarchists like me.

All hail His Imperial Majesty Mercunova!

Abolish all of it!

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Moving to the Consulate of Free Nations would be somewhat exciting but also inexcusably tedious

Would it be as tedious as Kal's military technology posts?

Jaslandia, Yukona, Gualimole, Midasia

Vista Major wrote:Moving to the Consulate of Free Nations would be somewhat exciting but also inexcusably tedious

What would the acronym for that be... CooFN?

Vista Major

Midasia wrote:What would the acronym for that be... CooFN?

ConFN

Mercunova wrote:Would it be as tedious as Kal's military technology posts?

*ponders*

Good question

Mercunova, Midasia

Sulania wrote:Abolish all of it!

We're just a government, not a territorial entity, also known as a state. We have a government without a state.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:Remember what happened the last time we had a monarch?

Glory to the Minister of General Affairs, the Protector of our Liberties, Mercunova!

Communist traitor!

https://youtu.be/emNUP3EMu98?t=13

Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Communist traitor!

https://youtu.be/emNUP3EMu98?t=13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8AJds1CzI

Monarchist scum!

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:We're just a government, not a territorial entity, also known as a state. We have a government without a state.

No, just abolish all of it. Give me a commune. No Cross, No Crown.

*Grumbles angrily to get off my commune*

Kalaron

Sulania wrote:No, just abolish all of it. Give me a commune. No Cross, No Crown.

*Grumbles angrily to get off my commune*

You call yourself an anarcho-syndicalist yet you sound more like an anarcho-communist.

Gualimole wrote:You call yourself an anarcho-syndicalist yet you sound more like an anarcho-communist.

*Grumbling Intensifies*

Kalaron

Sulania wrote:*Grumbling Intensifies*

We need no state but a government for and by trade unions.

Gualimole wrote:You call yourself an anarcho-syndicalist yet you sound more like an anarcho-communist.

So. Many. Labels.

Jaslandia, Mercunova, Gualimole

Gualimole wrote:We need no state but a government for and by trade unions.

Can I have my Christian Commune now?

Kalaron

Nuremgard wrote:So. Many. Labels.

Yes!

Nuremgard

Sulania wrote:Can I have my Christian Commune now?

Sure, local communities can be run largely like communes.

Gualimole wrote:Sure, local communities can be run largely like communes.

Alright then.

*Quaking Intensifies*

Sulania wrote:Alright then.

*Quaking Intensifies*

The Quakers are only nominally Christian without a priesthood.

Gualimole wrote:The Quakers are only nominally Christian without a priesthood.

And that's not a bad thing. The more liberal religion is, the more I can largely approve of it as a means for social cohesion.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:And that's not a bad thing. The more liberal religion is, the more I can largely approve of it as a means for social cohesion.

Alt-right/Conservatives: We must preserve western culture like Christianity (doesn't seem to be aware this religion is not western but Middle Eastern in origin.)

Nuremgard wrote:Alt-right/Conservatives: We must preserve western culture like Christianity (doesn't seem to be aware this religion is not western but Middle Eastern in origin.)

Many neo-Nazis actually reject Christianity because they see it as a means by the Jews to control and weaken Europeans.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Alt-right/Conservatives: We must preserve western culture like Christianity (doesn't seem to be aware this religion is not western but Middle Eastern in origin.)

When Conservatives talk about Christianity, they're not talking about Coptic Christianity, or Eastern Orthodoxy, or any of the Oriental Churches.

They're talking about the heavily Europeanized Catholicism and its authoritarian Protestant offshoots.

Nuremgard, Gualimole

Sulania wrote:When Conservatives talk about Christianity, they're not talking about Coptic Christianity, or Eastern Orthodoxy, or any of the Oriental Churches.

They're talking about the heavily Europeanized Catholicism and its authoritarian Protestant offshoots.

It's not about religion or culture. It's about establishing a vague European identity that never existed. Pan-African and Pan-Arab movements also have similar problems.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Gualimole wrote:Many neo-Nazis actually reject Christianity because they see it as a means by the Jews to control and weaken Europeans.

Some of them (like Hitler's Nazis) were actually pagans.

Sulania wrote:When Conservatives talk about Christianity, they're not talking about Coptic Christianity, or Eastern Orthodoxy, or any of the Oriental Churches.

They're talking about the heavily Europeanized Catholicism and its authoritarian Protestant offshoots.

They're not really Christians but Christianists. It's an excuse to control people.

Gualimole wrote:It's not about religion or culture. It's about establishing a vague European identity that never existed. Pan-African and Pan-Arab movements also have similar problems.

I love how they talk about the white race as if it's one homologous blob. The motto of the EU is "United in Diversity." Also, they use the term black race in the same way. Even though Africa is the most ethnically, religiously, linguistically and culturally diverse continent on the planet.

Nuremgard wrote:Some of them (like Hitler's Nazis) were actually pagans.

No, Hitler's Nazis were "positive Christians". Not really Christians when you consider how they didn't accept the divinity of Christ.

Nuremgard wrote:I love how they talk about the white race as if it's one homologous blob. The motto of the EU is "United in Diversity." Also, they use the term black race in the same way. Even though Africa is the most ethnically, religiously, linguistically and culturally diverse continent on the planet.

It's just a tactic to get Slavs and Mediterraneans, who were viewed as being racially inferior decades ago, on their side.

Gualimole wrote:No, Hitler's Nazis were "positive Christians". Not really Christians when you consider how they didn't accept the divinity of Christ.

It's just a tactic to get Slavs and Mediterraneans, who were viewed as being racially inferior decades ago, on their side.

There were a lot of Nazis who were into the Germanic neopagan sh!t though. And eventually, they'd have phased out religion. This is why they particularly hated Catholics. They saw the Pope/Vatican as competition for devotion to the state.

There was even a time when the "whiteness" of Italians was questioned.

Nuremgard wrote:There were a lot of Nazis who were into the Germanic neopagan sh!t though. And eventually, they'd have phased out religion. This is why they particularly hated Catholics. They saw the Pope/Vatican as competition for devotion to the state.

Fair first point. But where is the evidence for the second point?

Nuremgard wrote:There was even a time when the "whiteness" of Italians was questioned.

And the whiteness of the Irish was questioned too.

Let’s establish the Theocratic Council of Free Nations!!!

What in the name of the Royal Sisters did I log into upon arriving home? On second thought... -walks away from computer-

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:Fair first point. But where is the evidence for the second point?

And the whiteness of the Irish was questioned too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

Gualimole

The Valleian Orders wrote:Let’s establish the Theocratic Council of Free Nations!!!

No Theocracy. Theocracy implies rule by some priestly class.

I reject such notion.

Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:No Theocracy. Theocracy implies rule by some priestly class.

I reject such notion.

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. - Denis Diderot.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Gualimole

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=midasia/detail=factbook/id=1063830

This is just the National Anthem of Spain, with some very small changes. I couldn't find a national anthem that would fit better or that I could change easier. Should this be the new National anthem of Midasia?

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

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