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I'm just hoping the SNP win another landslide at this snap election, as well as sweeping up many of the local councils. I will certainly be voting SNP at both elections.
Penguania And Antarctica
Am I supposed to see the moral value in people supporting cuts to the poor and disabled? Or the moral value behind the rape clause? Or the moral value behind selling arms to Saudi head choppers?
I am intrigued, Yukona. Present the moral case for Conservative rule.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm not a Conservative so why do you propose I do that?
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Well you were the one who said I was sh!tting on others' moral and political values. I'm of the opinion that if you support the Tories you have no moral values other than "what's in it for me?" And voting to maintain the Union might as well just be a vote for the Tories since the unionist is basically saying, perpetual Tory government that Scotland did not vote for is preferable to Scotland being independent.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica
I don't think he means "support". I think he just means to at least hear out the other side and not totally bash their opinion, regardless of what you or they believe
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
They bash our side so I fight fire with fire. Nationalists are accused of hating Scotland, destroying Scotland, being Scotland's enemies, being divisive, being racist, being Nazis.
But when you say something against unionists or the Union, Lord have mercy will you hear about it. You can practically hear the lip trembling behind the computer screen. They can dish it out but cant take it.
Penguania And Antarctica
I got you. I've been dying to have this rant for quite some time. As an American, we don't get very many options to critique foreign powers these days without getting labeled as fake news because we don't have an unexplainable boner for Putin.
Just to start with the political issues, the EU is an undemocratic, unelected, untransparent body whose shoddy PR record is topped only by the Trump administration. Johnathan Pie, a satirist operating out of London, sums up the EU perfectly:
"Imagine the EU as a collective sock for transnational corporation to have a wank in.".
But it's all moot because I agree with him when he said this right after that: "But no matter what we do the little person is getting fùcked hard by someone somewhere."
The EU is far more democratic than the EU. It's a union of truly equal nations working together for their betterment. I hope Scotland will join it if it becomes independent. Leftists accuse the EU of being a neoliberal conspiracy while rightists accuse it of being a socialist superstate so it must be doing something right.
I meant to say the EU is far more democratic than the UK*
Yeah screw religious people. They should all not be allowed to form political opinions, its a known fact they are all hateful and bigoted, so they should just be silenced from the word go. I mean how dare they have an opinion that is different from mine? Ought to send them to a gulag, where they cannot infect the populace with views that are not mine.
Aghrabia, Yukona
Stop being dramatic, sweetheart. I never said he couldn't express his opinion. I was merely advising him to stick to what he is good at - scaring people with the prospect of burning in hell and praying to their imaginary pal.
Friedensreich
Or it's so centrist or so """"Third Way"""" that neither wing likes it :P
Question: Can a Scot start a vote to impeach a sitting member of the European Commission?
Russian Fedration
Isnt he part of the people?
Doesnt he deserve a say?
Russian Fedration
Nope. Don't see why we'd need to.
Sure. And I'm allowed to tell him to stick to his bells and whistles.
Friedensreich
Well, don't you want to have the power to influence EU policymaking- especially given that as a citizen of the EU, you are subject to its laws?
I never said you sh*t on other peoples' views, give me a break, dude - I said you disregard and don't see their side of things. Besides, you justify that as to why I have to explain someone else's actions to you? I'm not fighting for Conservatives, nor for the union, I just think you undeservedly disregard any and all points that disagree with your own. You seem to do to the English, Conservatives and Unionists - and more so seem to group them together when in reality these are all varying and separate factors.
This is what I mean, you say you fight fire with fire - since when have I been bashing your view? All I've ever tried to do is be friendly and try to understand your subject - something which it seems you want me to do, and then you criticise me for lip trembling behind the computer screen? What do you want me to do, start yelling names across the border, hating on you for something you didn't have any part in? I haven't seen one person here do that to you, if I can speak for myself. You seem to speak for the above factors as one cohesive unit of people "nationalists are accused", "but when you saying something against unionists". So if the unionists you have come into contact with act like, well you're the only independence supporter I've come across so I can just say "they're toxic, etc. etc." even though clearly I've tried to understand you. Just like I said, you appear to be demonising the opposition without actually acknowledging they have just as much of conscience as you. What do you mean we can dish it out? I'm not accusing you of anything, but as far as I can see it seems like you're the one that goes to length to dish it out against the English, Unionists and Conservatives - not all of which I represent. That's not saying it's not sometimes funny, or uncalled for, or right.
You don't have to be a Conservative Unionist wannabe Englishman, you don't have to be anything. But as I said before, it's tiring to just get your opinions constantly bashed not on a purely political level but on a moral and rational level. Of course Unionists have hearts and believe they're voting for what is right - otherwise I'd doubt they'd vote for it. I'm sure many Conservatives also think they're voting the right way. Just because they're leaning one way or the other doesn't mean they're void of empathy. It's like when I say this, you ask "is your dad a Tory councilor or something" (far from it) but what kind of thing is that to say to me when all I've tried to do is be pleasant. It's belittling and just rude. Not to say I didn't take it in good stride either, as it's not exactly if I hold a grudge - but it just goes to show that neither side is golden in any situation and you can't just brush over the entirety of a view, country or opinion with the same brush itself.
I've made it more than apparent that I'm trying not to be an asshole and as understanding as possible, but all I ever get back is a dehumanising and often ignorant (in the literal sense of the word as in you're ignorant of how people can actually be nice if they don't agree with you) and so on. I've seen Scots say they should form their own 'RA and start bombing London and so on, of course they're just a vocal minority. I can also see why they want independence and why they should and shouldn't, but I have my own reasons just as you do yours. It doesn't make me any less of a good person?
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Nuremgard, Aghrabia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica
Well that spoiler just didn't work did it
Russian Fedration, Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica
I put them out side the quotes
Anyways
Sorry everyone I just got up from a horrible night haha so that's why I've been slow
Penguania And Antarctica
I do have influence. The MEPs I elect to the European Parliament influence policymaking.
To be fair, when I talked about lip-trembling unionists, I wasn't talking about you personally. Only the ones I've encountered. So apologies if you felt hard done by.
So it's A-ok for the executive powers of the EU to be exercised by appointed (therefore unelected) Commissioners?
Russian Fedration
Why does any of this matter? Every country has an unelected civil service running things behind the scenes but I never hear people bitching about that. I favour the EU union over the UK one because Scotland would have more power in the former.
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Besides, the Commissioner candidates are nominated by member state governments - governments which are elected by the people.
What is this obsession with electing people anyway? Democracy doesn't always equal good you know. America elected Donald Trump. That doesn't automatically make him fantastic just because people voted him in.
I'm not criticizing Scottish independence (in fact I would approve of an independent Scotland because it's obvious that the Scots are disconnected with London through their overwhelming support for the SNP), I'm just criticizing the EU's structure as a whole.
I would approve of the EU if it made some reforms; like making executive positions like the Commission elected and not appointed and reforming the Eurozone by enforcing a common fiscal policy in addition to a monetary policy.
Plus, believe you me, upper level cabinet positions in the US should definitely be elected. Otherwise we wouldn't have a guy nicknamed "Mad Dog" as SecDef and a former Exxon-Mobil CEO as SecState. That's just a recipe for disaster.
Russian Fedration
What even is a 'Europe'. America is the only continent that matters.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia
Well, just to drop my two cents:
The members of the EU Commission are appointed by the governments of the members states and need to be confirmed by the EU parliament. It's like the US president appointing a minister who is then confirmed by Congress.
Two cents dropped.
Russian Fedration, Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Baxten, Aghrabia, Yukona
They should call America Americanada so people don't get it confused with the country. :^)
Andromitus, Pirate Kingdoms
Oh I am too slow at typing.
Please ignore my previous post.
I'm not saying the EU is perfect. Of course it needs reform. I personally think, however, that if Scotland does join, we should go for full integration, including joining the euro.
Or just The United States
Russian Fedration
We're not saying that, well, at least what I'm saying is that a religious leader should stay out of political affairs; their two different worlds that are separate, and have to stay that way.
Nuremgard
Plus, him saying there's a "moral" case for voting No implies voting Yes is immoral. The last person I will be lectured by on morality is a religious person, especially a churchman, given the scandals and abuse that infest their precious institutions.
Andromitus
Your example is flawed; Donald Trump did not win through his popularity nationwide. The approximately 3 million more votes for Clinton over him and his abysmal approval ratings speak for themselves.
Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania
Well you guys have the Electoral College so I sympathise. Your system sucks.
Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Friedensreich
Reverend [nation=short]Tserra[/nation], forgive my friends their harshness. They seem not to know about thy true profession.
Jaslandia, Tserra
That too
Oh, I knew his profession. Him being offended by my harshness is his choice.
Russian Fedration
Is he actually a reverend? BTW that wont change my opinion about him IDGAF 'bout your guys's personal lives ;)
Russian Fedration, Penguania And Antarctica
Yes, he's some kind of churchman.
Russian Fedration
It's going to be a long 4 years... well, that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't start a war with Russia, meaning I get drafted because of nationalism put into law, and likely die far away from home.
Russian Fedration, Nuremgard
Screw that I'm moving to Canada
Russian Fedration
Oh, we have a reverend here?
Nah its cool. I love them, it need not be reciprocated. I spoke up today, against my better judgement. I should have ignored it like I usually do.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Yeah. He also voted for Trump. I'm sure God would approve.
Russian Fedration, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
Commie :p
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Andreallic News Network Week 2 is out and about; may be subject to change as new details arise
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=810881
Do you mean love in the Christian sense? As in, "I will treat you nicely but I believe in my heart you will burn for all eternity in a pit of fire because you're a rotten sinner but I will go to heaven because I accepted a zombie carpenter as my Lord and Saviour."
That kind of love, Rev?
Penguania And Antarctica
Wouldnt it be really funny if theres a world war between the USA and Russia and Russ and I end up meeting some of you guys on the battlefield or in a POW camp? xD
Russian Fedration
Okay okay nurem lets not swing towards harassment
Penguania And Antarctica
As a Democrat, I wold have voted for Mattis
Yukona
Oh. Oh no. I find it distasteful when people tie their religion into their political stances and say "[Enter Deity Here] would like this candidate".
I'm not harassing him. I used to be religious. This is the ind of mentality they have. They act like paragons of virtue and compassion but they cant escape the fact their faith tells them that most of us will go to hell.
Maybe that's how God got Mary. He grabbed her by the pussy and she was so taken with him she had a night of passion and then gave birth to the Saviour.
Friedensreich
Better love story set in a war than the one about the German and British soldiers celebrating Christmas together during WW1.
Russian Fedration
But you can't simply ignore the fact that, while they are definitely not the majority, there is still a lot of religious people, even within the church, that view Christianity as a form of love, and or simply react towards non-christians with a general kindness.
Unless they're forcing their ideas down your throat I personally wouldn't advice pulling your hatred, however justified, on them. In essense, you'd be attacking the wrong person, and enforcing the "Angry Atheist" stereotype.
Jaslandia
It's like attacking men, all men, for misogyny
Jaslandia
You both get a amen you can say that again!
I think it would be !
You're damn right I'm an angry atheist. Angry at religion because it's poisonous.
Plus God must have an unexplainable boner for Putin and really dislike Mexican immigrants.
Nuremgard, Aghrabia, The Vidnoye, Andromitus
All I can say is that when you drag yourself down to their level, you drag us with you.
God is perfectly placed to build the wall. He was a carpenter after all.
Aghrabia, Modern Tech Helghan
He is rock hard for Russia
Russian Fedration, Friedensreich
Apologies. I had a particularly negative personal experience with religion so it accounts for my deep antipathy towards it.
I mean that I love you Nurem. I care about whether you live or die. I want nothing but good things for you. I wish for you to be wealthy, healthy, and successful. I hope that you find love, have a family, make good friends. I hope that none of your days are sad ones, and when they inevitable are, I am sorry even though I had nothing to do with it.
No amount of disparaging my religion. No amount of your hatred. No amount of your bigotry is going to change that.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Yea I really hope something happens and he's not the president anymore
Andromitus
Example A
Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
But..Mike Pence...Eww
Well, at least he could, you know, NOT run the nation into the ground
Russian Fedration, Jaslandia
Nice sentiments. Just like no amount of faith or prayer will change the fact that thousands starve in Africa, or disease runs rampant, or terrorists slaughter people in the streets.
Hope your Trump vote works out well for you, Rev. Keep the faith.
My stance on religion is less angry, but against it nonetheless XD
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." is a great quote to stand by.
Russian Fedration
Eh I wouldent blame him. But whys he make the world all aginst us ?
Indeed. The world will be a better place when we're rid of it entirely but that will never happen.
That's the thing tho
As sucky as pence is he understands there's a entire nation of people and not just his supporters
And he knows how the government works and won't be ab1tch and cry about somthing on Twitter when it dosent go his way
Andromitus
I just view it as something we as a species have to move beyond; I view it as a childish and blinding way to see the real beauty in, not just our world, but our universe as a whole. But yea, I don't think it should be something that should be hated, because in the end, it was a way for our younger selves to explain the world around them, that, just like everything else they touched, was corrupted by immorality, hatred, and thievery.
Russian Fedration, Aghrabia, Friedensreich
You have no choice when it comes to Jesus "James 'Mad Dog' Mattis" Christ
Modern Tech Helghan
Given the abhorrent views of the believers and the stuff in their holy books, I'd say it should be hated.
It will become outdated at some point. The best thing to do now is to just let the evolution of human society run its course.
Hatred leads to Hatred; Power leads to power. I hate saying the terms Only My View, but in this case, Only My View targets the cycle itself. Targeting specific portions of it, Ie religion, will radicalize and empower the Religious.
Yes my view is slower, but at the same time, its far more stable.
Friedensreich
We've had around 200,000 years on this planet and we're still blighted by religion. I believe it will never truly go away. There will always be one true believer to pass on the poison.
My opinions of the concept of a Christian God and the role the Church has had in society are embodied in two Bo Burnham songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc20saM8DA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hCQLEIWadk
"You shouldn't abstain from pork just cause you think that I want you to
You can eat pork, because why the f*ck would I give a sh*t?
(I created the universe you think I'm drawing the line at the f*cking deli aisle?)"
In all honesty though, I think Christianity has also done a lot of good for the world - along with other religions, and that Christians can be good and kind people. I envy their faith.
True. Criticising them and telling them they're wrong only vindicates them because their holy books tell them they will be hated and mocked. That's the problem with faith. Anything and everything can be used to justify it.
Something good happens - it's God's will.
Something bad happens - He moves in mysterious ways/He has a plan/it's His will.
Don't envy their faith. It blinds them to reality.
Look at the trends my friend; Every year the amount of secular, agnostic, and athiest world citizens grows, and nowadays, its growing faster than ever.
Friedensreich
Nope. Remember that empiricism is a relatively new concept. The idea that all that exists is what we can expereince through our senses is very, very new when speaking relatively.
*Cough* Islam *Cough*
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
I think Religion isn't simply the belief in one Abrahamic God and once "God"-god goes away, we'll just get another form of worship. The idea of religion, more-so faith as a way to understand what we don't is a very human and often natural thing. It allows us to easily comprehend the world before us which is... un-comprehensible. Even if it ends up being science, I could see it closely mirroring our current religious circumstance. The only reason that our traditional view of God is currently withdrawing from our society is that it relies on an inherent truth that is unchanging. You can only interpret it so many times before the word becomes bent and ultimately it's not what the book says - therefore you're not following God and here we are. As a result of this, the Abrahamic religions', specifically, not so much unwillingness but more-so inability to dynamically flex to our current society's beliefs, which trends show will just get more liberal, means that they may leave us. On the other hand, the concept of God - in it itself a rudimentary idea - may not, as it is open to interpretation, does not contain rules - the one truth, a holy book, dates, events that must happen, etc. The idea is intrinsically adaptable to our advances in technology and culture, as we reach for the stars more will be revealed yet that reveals more questions in itself. Something, rather than "we don't know" will always fill the void, even if it's in the back of our mind. And once there is a void, I believe that there is something, and that something is God - whether in a literal or a figurative sense.
Welp I just blew my own mind.
Aghrabia
*Internal Spiritual/Religious Conflict Intensifies
Andromitus
It's good to keep things civil, especially when disagreements arise. Because in reality a debate is not something you do to convince your partner to switch to your side, but is really just a way to affirm and test what you believe.
Russian Fedration, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFNEgdwjEhs
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I accept your apology my friend. :D
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
It's alright, I appreciate you to come out in public and say it too but just in case no one knows me and Nurem always make up in TGs. On the other hand, I accept your apology, it's rare to get one nowadays.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Cheers. I will try harder to be nicer. Promise. It's my dour Scottish blood.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Polls indicate that Tories are miles ahead in England, ahead in Wales, second place in Scotland.
I think they're putting something in the water. Britain is going mad for the Blues.
*sigh*
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Yukona
If only Britain's right wing party was more like yours, Peng.
Jaslandia
It's because of Corbyn
I used to like Corbyn but he's irrelevant to me now. The thing is, he has good policies but is never going to get elected. However, if Labour gets elected with a Blairite leader then they will just offer more of the same of what the Tories are giving us.
British politics is so f*cked. Tories will rule forever at this rate.
Aghrabia
More Nazi like ?
I don't know if that's meant as a compliment or an insult.
Ed Miliband is the hope for Britain.
When someone tells me Miliband wont rebuild Britain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0wKv5CPtA
Jaslandia
Labour truly is in crisis. I feel kinda' bad for leftists in England who have no real choice.
I mean I wish the British Conservatives were more like the CDU.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia
It seems there are different views of left and right.
The CDU is centre-right and considered liberal-conservative. So right wing might not be the best terms. At least I wouldn't describe them as right.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
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