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Gualimole wrote:No, I am talking about the No campaign part.

Well they made that promise. "Vote to stay in the UK to keep EU membership." So they lied and broke their promise.

Mercunova wrote:They didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Electoral campaigns in the UK usually don't last for over a year, so people in 2014 weren't aware of a possible Brexit referendum.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Well they made that promise. "Vote to stay in the UK to keep EU membership." So they lied and broke their promise.

Just like Salmond promised that the Scottish independence referendum was the referendum of a generation.

Gualimole wrote:Better, because all of the people from the Commonwealth days are coming back.

Myself included!

Mercunova

Gualimole wrote:Just like Salmond promised that the Scottish independence referendum was the referendum of a generation.

No he didn't. He said, in his resignation speech and in his personal opinion, that the referendum was once in a generation.

You sound like one of those annoying unionists who hates Salmond but cherry picks that one line as if it's gospel.

Mercunova

Gualimole wrote:Just like Salmond promised that the Scottish independence referendum was the referendum of a generation.

No politician or government can bind future governments to obey certain laws or stop referendums/elections.

Everestopia wrote:Myself included!

I came back to the COFN before it was cool.

Everestopia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:No he didn't. He said, in his resignation speech and in his personal opinion, that the referendum was once in a generation.

You sound like one of those annoying unionists who hates Salmond but cherry picks that one line as if it's gospel.

Just like the No campaign's promise isn't gospel either.

Gualimole wrote:Just like the No campaign's promise isn't gospel either.

True. Regardless, the SNP have an indyref in their manifesto. We will have our say again. Unionists should welcome another referendum since they believe the case for the UK is so strong, and Scots will vote for it again.

If we Yessers lose again, the issue will have been settled for a long time. But losing does not mean we need to become silent. We will continue to believe in and argue for independence. That's democracy.

Nuremgard wrote:I guess people voting Nazi in 1930s Germany was also the will of the people and should never have been questioned because the majority is ALWAYS right.

The majority can be misled, and quite easily. If you (David Cameron) compromise your principles (that you've already been elected on) for fear of losing to extremism, then you're not a fvcking leader. If you (Theresa May) won't tell the public that this idea they've had (Leave) is going to literally destroy the country because "hurr durr will of the people," then you're not a fvcking leader. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Cameron and May were weathercocks and because of that not only is everyone worse off, no one is even happy about it!

Nuremgard, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:No he didn't. He said, in his resignation speech and in his personal opinion, that the referendum was once in a generation.

You sound like one of those annoying unionists who hates Salmond but cherry picks that one line as if it's gospel.

Out with Sturgeon! In with Davidson!

Bearlong wrote:The majority can be misled, and quite easily. If you (David Cameron) compromise your principles (that you've already been elected on) for fear of losing to extremism, then you're not a fvcking leader. If you (Theresa May) won't tell the public that this idea they've had (Leave) is going to literally destroy the country because "hurr durr will of the people," then you're not a fvcking leader. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Cameron and May were weathercocks and because of that not only is everyone worse off, no one is even happy about it!

Ooooh but calling the electorate is stupid and elitist. You wont win people over to your side by insulting them etc. etc. Even if what they have voted for is objectively stupid, you're not allowed to say it because "waah ma feelings!"

And they call us lefties snowflakes.

Everestopia wrote:Out with Sturgeon! In with Davidson!

Davidson has more chance of sprouting wings and flying to England for a safe Tory seat than becoming First Minister. Although her f*cking off to England for a safe Tory seat would be great.

Nuremgard wrote:True. Regardless, the SNP have an indyref in their manifesto. We will have our say again. Unionists should welcome another referendum since they believe the case for the UK is so strong, and Scots will vote for it again.

If we Yessers lose again, the issue will have been settled for a long time. But losing does not mean we need to become silent. We will continue to believe in and argue for independence. That's democracy.

The SNP only won a third of the vote in Scotland in the most recent UK general election. They aren't exactly representative of what the Scottish people want.

Everestopia

Gualimole wrote:I came back to the COFN before it was cool.

Yes, but I'm one of the originals sweetie.

I was running the region as Chancellor over 3 and half terms... I don't recall you for any, sorry. So welcome!

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:Out with Sturgeon! In with Davidson!

I'm actually pretty okay with Davidson.

Everestopia

Gualimole wrote:The SNP only won a third of the vote in Scotland in the most recent UK general election. They aren't exactly representative of what the Scottish people want.

Yes they are. They still won the majority of seats.

Nuremgard wrote:Davidson has more chance of sprouting wings and flying to England for a safe Tory seat than becoming First Minister. Although her f*cking off to England for a safe Tory seat would be great.

Nah, she'll pick up!

Bearlong wrote:I'm actually pretty okay with Davidson.

That's because you don't know her. She's vile.

Everestopia wrote:Nah, she'll pick up!

Nah, she wont. Scotland's reached peak Tory. The unionist and Orange vote has coalesced around her.

Everestopia wrote:Yes, but I'm one of the originals sweetie.

I was running the region as Chancellor over 3 and half terms... I don't recall you for any, sorry. So welcome!

I came back in 2017. Also, your Chancellorship was marred with corruption.

Gualimole wrote:The SNP only won a third of the vote in Scotland in the most recent UK general election. They aren't exactly representative of what the Scottish people want.

Preach!

Gualimole

Gualimole wrote:I came back in 2017. Also, your Chancellorship was marred with corruption.

Not really.

Nuremgard wrote:Yes they are. They still won the majority of seats.

Under a sh!tty and undemocratic first past the post voting system, that is.

Gualimole wrote:Under a sh!tty and undemocratic first past the post voting system, that is.

Tough sh!t. Them's the rules the unionists love so much. SNP still has a majority.

What are your thoughts on Margaret Thatcher?

Gualimole wrote:Under a sh!tty and undemocratic first past the post voting system, that is.

I don't have an issue with First past the post.

Everestopia wrote:Preach!

Yeah. Tories hold 13 seats out of 59. Clearly Scotland has turned true blue. *eye roll*

Everestopia wrote:Preach!

Down with Sturgeon, up with Leonard!

Nuremgard wrote:Ooooh but calling the electorate is stupid and elitist. You wont win people over to your side by insulting them etc. etc. Even if what they have voted for is objectively stupid, you're not allowed to say it because "waah ma feelings!"

And they call us lefties snowflakes.

At the risk of sounding like a first-year Model United Nations delegate, "It starts with education."

Nuremgard wrote:That's because you don't know her. She's vile.

I mean, on social issues she's pretty okay. She even gets Liberal Diversity Points (LDPs) for being gay! I know nothing about her economics, but assuming it's in line with the typical Conservative nonsense, I'd never vote for her. (Ignoring the fact that I'll never get the chance) I mean, speaking practically, if she happened to get in for a term, it wouldn't be the end of the world. (Which is my general benchmark for political candidates nowadays)

Gualimole wrote:Down with Sturgeon, up with Leonard!

Out with sturgeon, in with cod!

Everestopia, Gualimole, Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. Tories hold 13 seats out of 59. Clearly Scotland has turned true blue. *eye roll*

Umm.. work in progress, obviously ;P

Midasia wrote:How has everyone's summer been?

It's been pretty good, Britain's made some absurd claim about what they'll do, so that's given me some fun.

Midasia

Everestopia wrote:I don't have an issue with First past the post.

It's easy to say that when the Tories benefit most from it.

Bearlong

Mercunova wrote:Out with sturgeon, in with cod!

Could do a better job...

Gualimole wrote:Down with Sturgeon, up with Leonard!

Oh, my God, naw lol. You seriously don't know anything about Scottish politics if you think Leonard is a serious contender for First Minister. He's even worse than Dugdale and that's saying something.

Mercunova wrote:Out with sturgeon, in with cod!

Out with cod, in with Tuna!

Mercunova, Midasia

Midasia wrote:What are your thoughts on Margaret Thatcher?

I don't think of her. And the more I see, the less I think of her.

Gualimole wrote:It's easy to say that when the Tories benefit most from it.

Preach!

Nuremgard, Gualimole

Bearlong wrote:At the risk of sounding like a first-year Model United Nations delegate, "It starts with education."

I mean, on social issues she's pretty okay. She even gets Liberal Diversity Points (LDPs) for being gay! I know nothing about her economics, but assuming it's in line with the typical Conservative nonsense, I'd never vote for her. (Ignoring the fact that I'll never get the chance) I mean, speaking practically, if she happened to get in for a term, it wouldn't be the end of the world. (Which is my general benchmark for political candidates nowadays)

Her party is full of racists and bigots and she openly courted the Orange Order vote in Scotland at the last election. She's an arsehole.

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, my God, naw lol. You seriously don't know anything about Scottish politics if you think Leonard is a serious contender for First Minister. He's even worse than Dugdale and that's saying something.

How?

Everestopia wrote:Could do a better job...

Sturgeon's the best leader in the UK right now. Not my fault your strong and stable leader is a spineless jellyfish.

Gualimole wrote:It's easy to say that when the Tories benefit most from it.

That's not why.

I don't want my vote being recast to another, like it does in the AV system. Which is a load of horse sh*t.

Gualimole wrote:How?

He doesn't know what powers are devolved and which are retained. He wouldn't make a very good FM if he doesn't even know what he'd be in charge of.

Everestopia wrote:That's not why.

I don't want my vote being recast to another, like it does in the AV system. Which is a load of horse sh*t.

You get to choose who it is recast to under AV. You have more choice under a ranked system or a score system.

Nuremgard

Everestopia wrote:That's not why.

I don't want my vote being recast to another, like it does in the AV system. Which is a load of horse sh*t.

So you'd rather the votes of your fellow countrymen become meaningless with FPTP?

Nuremgard wrote:He doesn't know what powers are devolved and which are retained. He wouldn't make a very good FM if he doesn't even know what he'd be in charge of.

Elaborate.

Nuremgard wrote:Sturgeon's the best leader in the UK right now. Not my fault your strong and stable leader is a spineless jellyfish.

I never wanted May... I hoped Phillip Hammond would run for leadership.

Gualimole wrote:Elaborate.

He complains to the Scottish Government about reserved matters, whining that they should do something about it because he believes they have the power when they don't. The irony is he wouldn't want those reserved powers to go to the Scottish Parliament because he's a unionist.

Gualimole wrote:You get to choose who it is recast to under AV. You have more choice under a ranked system or a score system.

Also, opposing proportional representation just because you don't like AV is dumb. There are many different forms of proportional representation. For example, under MMP, you get a proportional legislature and your vote doesn't get recast.

Bearlong

Everestopia wrote:I never wanted May... I hoped Phillip Hammond would run for leadership.

Wow. Such talent lol

Nuremgard wrote:He complains to the Scottish Government about reserved matters, whining that they should do something about it because he believes they have the power when they don't. The irony is he wouldn't want those reserved powers to go to the Scottish Parliament because he's a unionist.

Examples?

Gualimole wrote:You get to choose who it is recast to under AV. You have more choice under a ranked system or a score system.

I'd rather have another election than see my vote go to some socialist party like labour or the Dems.

Gualimole wrote:Examples?

http://www.thenational.scot/news/16110652.Leonard_gets_confused_over_reserved_powers_____again/

Everestopia wrote:I'd rather have another election than see my vote go to some socialist party like labour or the Dems.

LOL. You think Labour is socialist. Bless. It's full of Blairite Tory w*nkers.

Nuremgard wrote:Wow. Such talent lol

He'll be PM one day, I'll put money on it.

Nuremgard wrote:Wow. Such talent lol

He'll be PM one day, I'll put money on it.

Everestopia wrote:He'll be PM one day, I'll put money on it.

I don't care. They're all Tories, they're all bastards.

Everestopia wrote:He'll be PM one day, I'll put money on it.

I'm surprised to see you support Hammond when he opposed same-sex marriage.

Nuremgard wrote:http://www.thenational.scot/news/16110652.Leonard_gets_confused_over_reserved_powers_____again/

Huh. I was not aware of that.

Gualimole wrote:I'm surprised to see you support Hammond when he opposed same-sex marriage.

Tories will do anything to secure their own pockets, even vote for people who would see them have less rights. That's why I cant wrap my head around why gay people vote Tory.

But I suppose every demographic has selfish people.

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:Tories will do anything to secure their own pockets, even vote for people who would see them have less rights. That's why I cant wrap my head around why gay people vote Tory.

But I suppose every demographic has selfish people.

If you were in my shoes for a week, you'd see I'm not selfish. At all.

I just like to keep my hard earned for me.

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:If you were in my shoes for a week, you'd see I'm not selfish. At all.

I just like to keep my hard earned for me.

Which is why you're willing to overlook the fact that Hammond thinks you should have less rights by virtue of being gay. All so you can have a tax cut.

I think that's sad but hey ho.

gu ifrinn le na toraidhean

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Everestopia wrote:If you were in my shoes for a week, you'd see I'm not selfish. At all.

I just like to keep my hard earned for me.

We've already established that your wealth is stolen, so don't give me the crap about keeping the wealth of others in your pockets.

Lex Caledonia wrote:gu ifrinn le na toraidhean

We speak English here

Midasia

Vista Major wrote:We speak English here

Correction: Most of us speak English here.

Vista Major wrote:We speak English here

math dhut

Midasia wrote:Correction: Most of us speak English here.

Puedo decir palabras sucias en español.

Mear

Mierda

Coño

Hijo de puta

Tetas

Gualimole wrote:Puedo decir palabras sucias en español.

Mear

Mierda

Coño

Hijo de puta

Tetas

Wow, you do have a dirty mouth. Also #4 is rude.

Gualimole wrote:Puedo decir palabras sucias en español.

Mear

Mierda

Coño

Hijo de puta

Tetas

Those words also have a name, groserías.

Midasia wrote:Wow, you do have a dirty mouth. Also #4 is rude.

Kiuj moderantoj nun faros?

Gualimole wrote:Kiuj moderantoj nun faros?

Your Esperanto makes little sense.

Midasia wrote:Your Esperanto makes little sense.

.لا أهتم

Gualimole wrote:.لا أهتم

Now you know Arabic apparently. Me haces morir a veces :p

Vista Major wrote:We speak English here

https://pics.me.me/do-you-agree-you-should-never-have-to-press-1-13030952.png

Bearlong wrote:https://pics.me.me/do-you-agree-you-should-never-have-to-press-1-13030952.png

Is that one of those posters from the "us poor American whites are so oppressed" types?

Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:Is that one of those posters from the "us poor American whites are so oppressed" types?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/6e/52/746e5252353ebcd198c424badae30638.jpg

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Gualimole

Bearlong wrote:https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/6e/52/746e5252353ebcd198c424badae30638.jpg

Beautiful. That's the alt-right and conservatives' problem. They want so desperately to be seen as strong and not politically correct but at the same time, they want to be poor victims who are being oppressed/genocided in their own countries.

When I hear people talk about "white genocide" and "oppression" it actually makes me sick. They have no idea what true genocide and oppression is. Like Christians who whinge about Christmas being wiped out of American culture or something.

There are Christians in the Middle East who are killed for their faith. That's f*cking oppression. Hearing Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas does not mean you understand how a Jew felt under Nazi Germany, you f*cking piece of sh!t.

Jaslandia, Gualimole

Is it just me, or have other people also noticed that the regional RMBs tend to be more left-wing than NationStates's forum?

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona

Guten Abend/ Good evening/ Bon soir :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Abend/ Good evening/ Bon soir :D

Good morning!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Abend/ Good evening/ Bon soir :D

Evening Peng

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Midasia wrote:What are your thoughts on Margaret Thatcher?

Well, suffice to say her cuts to defense spending would have lead to a situation like today, wherein the British military is in dire straits (hehe) had it not been stopped. So, I view her roughly as negatively as I view the events that lead to the Revolt of the Admirals in America, really.

I haven't really studied her so that's the extent of my knowledge. On the bright side, she wouldn't have ended up trying to shuttle light fighting vehicles into the rolls of tanks, though :p

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Guten Abend/ Good evening/ Bon soir :D

Heyo Pengo.

Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:Good morning!

Anglia Imperium wrote:Evening Peng

Kalaron wrote:Heyo Pengo.

How are you all? :)

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all? :)

I'm mostly fine. Also, the amount of people who believe the right-wing lies about Sweden is concerning.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=446244

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:I'm mostly fine. Also, the amount of people who believe the right-wing lies about Sweden is concerning.

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=446244

Oh?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh?

Yes. For example, I'm pretty sure no-go zones don't exist. Not only that, but this idea that accepting refugees increases crime is a myth.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-crime/516471/

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:Yes. For example, I'm pretty sure no-go zones don't exist. Not only that, but this idea that accepting refugees increases crime is a myth.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/02/refugee-resettlement-v-crime/516471/

I actually live near El Cajon, one of the communities in the US that have accepted a large number of immigrants and refugees from Iraq.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:We've already established that your wealth is stolen, so don't give me the crap about keeping the wealth of others in your pockets.

Wo wo wo, how is it stole?

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all? :)

Quite fine

Penguania And Antarctica

Everestopia wrote:Wo wo wo, how is it stole?

The surplus value of the labor of the workers is stolen by unnecessary middlemen like you and the capitalists as capital gain. Under the capitalist system, for a business to be successful, they have to pay their workers less than the value of their work is worth.

Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all? :)

I'm good. Just writing and using CMANO.

Everestopia wrote:Wo wo wo, how is it stole?

As a piece of advice I wanted to drop back when he said your time in office was corrupt, but, if he wants to start an argument, it tends to be for the best to just ignore it.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:As a piece of advice I wanted to drop back when he said your time in office was corrupt, but, if he wants to start an argument, it tends to be for the best to just ignore it.

Wew.

Yukona

Anglia Imperium wrote:Quite fine

Just filled leader's name and customised pretitle...

Russkov Soviet

Anglia Imperium wrote:Just filled leader's name and customised pretitle...

What does "reformed kingdom" mean?

Gualimole wrote:What does "reformed kingdom" mean?

Nothing I guess. I accidentaly back-spaced all over United Kingdom and when typing it again I thought Reformed would sound nice

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Gualimole

Kalaron wrote:

As a piece of advice I wanted to drop back when he said your time in office was corrupt, but, if he wants to start an argument, it tends to be for the best to just ignore it.

Valid point.

Everestopia wrote:Valid point.

He treats everyone who slightly angers him this way. I wouldn't trust him, especially when he tries to stir public opinion against people for the silliest of reasons.

Everestopia wrote:Valid point.

Anyhow, how are you, Ev? I know we weren't exactly the best of friends, before :P

Penguania And Antarctica

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