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Vetriutan 2 wrote:Hey! Mesopotamian King would disagree with you on that. He is a classical liberal.

/s

He can disagree all he wants.

Oh, no. Suppressing the views of Nazis. How horrible and illiberal. It's a slippery slope. Those poor oppressed Nazis. Who will speak up for them and their right to be vile bastards?

Nuremgard wrote:He can disagree all he wants.

Oh, no. Suppressing the views of Nazis. How horrible and illiberal. It's a slippery slope. Those poor oppressed Nazis. Who will speak up for them and their right to be vile bastards?

If you did not know this, Mesopotamian King is a puppet of mine who is obviously a parody of Sargon of Akkad. The joke nation did not work out well, so I will just let it die.

https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100

Vetriutan 2 wrote:If you did not know this, Mesopotamian King is a puppet of mine who is obviously a parody of Sargon of Akkad. The joke nation did not work out well, so I will just let it die.

https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100

I used to listen to him but I don't any more. He is an obnoxious twat obsessed with feminists and Marxists and the "regressive" left.

Nuremgard wrote:I used to listen to him but I don't any more. He is an obnoxious twat obsessed with feminists and Marxists and the "regressive" left.

They are obviously the largest threat the West faces. No, it's not neoliberals on the center and right who has exasperated economic equality, stunning growth in favor of the rich. It's obviously a small minority of feminists and leftists who are obnoxious.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2014/12/09/income-inequality-hurts-economic-growth/#1dacdf51591a

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:They are obviously the largest threat the West faces. No, it's not neoliberals on the center and right who has exasperated economic equality, stunning growth in favor of the rich. It's obviously a small minority of feminists and leftists who are obnoxious.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2014/12/09/income-inequality-hurts-economic-growth/#1dacdf51591a

Ssshhh, that ruins his narrative about the fascist left.

Axeldonia, Czeko Russika

Nuremgard wrote:Ssshhh, that ruins his narrative about the fascist left.

Fascist left? Are you talking about the Strasserists?

Vetriutan 2 wrote:Fascist left? Are you talking about the Strasserists?

The what now?

Post self-deleted by Vetriutan 2.

Nuremgard wrote:The what now?

Nazis who actually believed in the Socialist part of the National Socialist ideology and felt that Hitler was too focused on racial politics: they called for an overthrow of capitalism to achieve the national rebirth aspect played up by Hitler, and believed that Nazism had to be mass-actioned and worker-based for the rebirth to occur. The Strasser brothers believed that an alliance with the Soviet Union was the best bet and attacked Hitler's notion of Führerprinzip. While the palingenetic ultranationalism (right-wing views that advocate a rebirth of the nation by fascist means) and anti-Semitism of Nazism proper were never discarded, the Strasserist Black Front still advocated for revolution.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia

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Vetriutan 2 wrote:The Strasserists. Strasserists, unlike most fascists, support class conflict, not class cooperation. In action, they oppose mainstream fascist economics and want to focus more on worker ownership. The movement was founded in Germany but does not have the racialist and anti-Semitic views of Hitler's National Socialist ideology. In fact, many Strasserists opposed Hitler's policies, which makes sense because his economic policies led to the coining of the term "privatization".

Oh, very interesting. I've never heard of them before. What's your view on class conflict?

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Nazis who actually believed in the Socialist part of the National Socialist ideology and felt that Hitler was too focused on racial politics: they called for an overthrow of capitalism to achieve the national rebirth aspect played up by Hitler, and believed that Nazism had to be mass-actioned and worker-based for the rebirth to occur. The Strasser brothers believed that an alliance with the Soviet Union was the best bet and attacked Hitler's notion of Führerprinzip. While the palingenetic ultranationalism (right-wing views that advocate a rebirth of the nation by fascist means) and anti-Semitism of Nazism proper were never discarded, the Strasserist Black Front still advocated for revolution.

Again, very interesting.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, very interesting. I've never heard of them before. What's your view on class conflict?

The Strasserists are interesting, but my information about the Strasserists not being anti-Semitic was incorrect. They were hostile to Jews from an economic, not racial, standpoint.

Anyway, my view on class conflict is that it is a necessary means of bringing forth workers' ownership of the means of production, which has been proven to improve conditions and increase productivity. Now, how this will be achieved will depend on context, but the core idea of class conflict is universal.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:The Strasserists are interesting, but my information about the Strasserists not being anti-Semitic was incorrect. They were hostile to Jews from an economic, not racial, standpoint.

Anyway, my view on class conflict is that it is a necessary means of bringing forth workers' ownership of the means of production, which has been proven to improve conditions and increase productivity. Now, how this will be achieved will depend on context, but the core idea of class conflict is universal.

Hostility to Jews was nothing new back then. It was practically de rigueur.

Are you generally on the left when it comes to politics then?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Are you generally on the left when it comes to politics then?

I don't like labels much. But if I had to choose from one ideology that most closely represented my views, it would probably be synthesist anarchism.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:I don't like labels much. But if I had to choose from one ideology that most closely represented my views, it would probably be synthesist anarchism.

Whatever that means lol

Nuremgard wrote:Whatever that means lol

Synthesist anarchism is an anarchist ideology that supports the joining together of different types of anarchism, especially anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, and individualist anarchism.

Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:Synthesist anarchism is an anarchist ideology that supports the joining together of different types of anarchism, especially anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, and individualist anarchism.

I'm not one for anarchism but whatever floats your boat.

Jaslandia, Vetriutan 2

Happy birthday to Sulania and Lex Caledonia! I hope you both have a great one!

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1955 - Bill Nye, American engineer, educator, and television host

https://youtu.be/UtVJdPfm0F8

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, The Scottish Twins

Jaslandia wrote:Happy birthday to Sulania and Lex Caledonia! I hope you both have a great one!

https://youtu.be/UtVJdPfm0F8

Bill Nye the Ice Cream Rape Guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46h-LfNWPn8

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/247/925/ce1.jpg

Need to revise this week. Exam on Thursday. Ugh.

Jaslandia

Donald: Did Ah hear it reit? Is a fellaw Scot havin' a birthday the-day? Weel 'en canty birthday tae th' proud nation of Lex Caledonia! Ah hope ye hae a wonderful an' Scottish birthday!

https://youtu.be/to1xT93IlUI

https://youtu.be/PSH0eRKq1lE

https://youtu.be/lEOOZDbMrgE

Douglas: Och, an' canty birthday tae Sulania too. Hope it's a stoatin one an' whatnot.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Need to revise this week. Exam on Thursday. Ugh.

Good luck!

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Good luck!

Thank you, Jas.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

It is difficult to determine whether my regime in New Salvatore is fascist or simply authoritarian.

Russkov Soviet wrote:Now we're thinking alike. Also... your flag looks really familiar...

It's the Flag of Denver City.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Chalanka wrote:It's the Flag of Denver City.

I knew it. I'm from Colorado. (Lincoln County)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32983602#p32983602

New lore shizzle mah nizzles

Jaslandia, The Empire Of Handland

Nuremgard wrote:He can disagree all he wants.

Oh, no. Suppressing the views of Nazis. How horrible and illiberal. It's a slippery slope. Those poor oppressed Nazis. Who will speak up for them and their right to be vile bastards?

While i agree that they are indeed retarded, suppressing the right to speech of one group will not make the problem die out. Not to mention that its better to have them say what they want and crush them with facts in debates proving that they are indeed idiots.

My question for my left wing friends would anyone of you consider suppressing the right to speech of far left groups that are extremist or would that be considered as something only a retarded/racist right winger would say?

Also remember, dictatorship doenst come immediately it takes time, suppress this ban that and in a few years/decades you have no rights to speak of. What i am trying to say that stopping a group to spread their message even if its retarded or hateful as long as its NOT about killing or telling people to attack others every group have and should have its right to speech. But if you start to censor what others want to say well we have seen what that leads to.

Second my personal question what do you think of guns and people being able to have them?

Signed by Angry Right Wing Libetarian.

Nuremgard, Avernian Republic

Why do i think i just possibly started a political war with what i have written?

Well i will see the result in a lot of hours, see you later guys.

Nuremgard

Spanelsko wrote:Why do i think i just possibly started a political war with what i have written?

Well i will see the result in a lot of hours, see you later guys.

you should see the argument I'm having over in AEGIS over the Constitution, private prisons, and education--among other things. It's a mess now.

Spanelsko

Vetriutan 2 wrote:Synthesist anarchism is an anarchist ideology that supports the joining together of different types of anarchism, especially anarcho-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, and individualist anarchism.

Comerade!

L E F T U N I T Y

Vetriutan 2

Russkov Soviet wrote:I knew it. I'm from Colorado. (Lincoln County)

Nice. It's a cool flag. I'm from Louisiana..

Hey y'all. I'm kinda unhappy with some of my design on the F-35/86 and how it's sales were sometimes unrealistic due to it's age, so I'm going to roll it back. I'll write up some new stuff soon enough to improve it and it can roll out like that.

Russkov Soviet

Executive Order: Hats are illegal

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Minnesota Dakota, Spanelsko

Hyderbourg wrote:Executive Order: Hats are illegal

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/211/814/a1c.jpg

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Hyderbourg, Penguania And Antarctica

Spanelsko wrote:While i agree that they are indeed retarded, suppressing the right to speech of one group will not make the problem die out. Not to mention that its better to have them say what they want and crush them with facts in debates proving that they are indeed idiots.

My question for my left wing friends would anyone of you consider suppressing the right to speech of far left groups that are extremist or would that be considered as something only a retarded/racist right winger would say?

Also remember, dictatorship doenst come immediately it takes time, suppress this ban that and in a few years/decades you have no rights to speak of. What i am trying to say that stopping a group to spread their message even if its retarded or hateful as long as its NOT about killing or telling people to attack others every group have and should have its right to speech. But if you start to censor what others want to say well we have seen what that leads to.

Second my personal question what do you think of guns and people being able to have them?

Signed by Angry Right Wing Libetarian.

If any ideology, whether left or right, calls for the extermination or active oppression of people in society, those espousing such an ideology should be prosecuted for hate speech.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Spanelsko, Czeko Russika, Vetriutan 2

[spoiler=Today is November 28 and today are:]

Today is November 28 and today are:

- Albanian Flag Day (Albania)

- Bedfordshire Day (Bedfordshire, England, United Kingdom)

- Day of Albanians (Kosovo)

- Feast of the Holy Sovereigns (Episcopal Church in Hawaii)

- Heroes' Day (Sri Lanka)

- Hōonkō (Japan)

- Independence Day (Mauritania)

- Independence Day (Panama)

- Make Your Own Head Day

- National Day of Giving / #GivingTuesday (United States)

- National French Toast Day (United States)

- Navy Day (Iran)

- Proclamation of Independence Day (East Timor)

- Red Planet Day

- Republic Day (Burundi)

- Republic Day (Chad)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0587 – Treaty of Andelot: King Guntram of Burgundy recognizes Childebert II as his heir.

- 0936 – Shi Jingtang is enthroned as the first emperor of the Later Jin by Emperor Taizong of Liao, following a revolt against Emperor Fei of Later Tang.

- 1443 – Skanderbeg and his forces liberate Kruja in central Albania and raise the Albanian flag.

- 1470 – Champa–Đại Việt War: Emperor Lê Thánh Tông of Đại Việt formally launches his attack against Champa.

- 1520 – An expedition under the command of Ferdinand Magellan passes through the Strait of Magellan.

- 1582 – In Stratford-upon-Avon, William Shakespeare and Anne Hathaway pay a £40 bond for their marriage licence.

- 1627 – The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth Navy has its greatest and last victory in the Battle of Oliwa.

- 1660 – At Gresham College, twelve men, including Christopher Wren, Robert Boyle, John Wilkins, and Sir Robert Moray decide to found what is later known as the Royal Society.

- 1666 – At least 3,000 men of the Royal Scots Army led by Tam Dalyell of the Binns defeat about 900 Covenanter rebels in the Battle of Rullion Green.

- 1785 – The first Treaty of Hopewell is signed, by which the United States acknowedges Cherokee lands in what is now East Tennessee.

- 1811 – Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat major, Op. 73, premieres at the Gewandhaus in Leipzig.

- 1814 – The Times of London becomes the first newspaper to be produced on a steam-powered printing press, built by the German team of Koenig & Bauer.

- 1821 – Panama Independence Day: Panama separates from Spain and joins Gran Colombia.

- 1843 – Ka Lā Hui (Hawaiian Independence Day): The Kingdom of Hawaii is officially recognized by the United Kingdom and France as an independent nation.

- 1862 – American Civil War: In the Battle of Cane Hill, Union troops under General James G. Blunt defeat General John Marmaduke's Confederates.

- 1885 – Bulgarian victory in the Serbo-Bulgarian War preserves the Unification of Bulgaria.

- 1893 – Women's suffrage in New Zealand concludes with the New Zealand general election, 1893.

- 1895 – The first American automobile race takes place over the 54 miles from Chicago's Jackson Park to Evanston, Illinois. Frank Duryea wins in approximately 10 hours.

- 1899 – The Second Boer War: a British column is engaged by Boer forces at the Battle of Modder River; although the Boers withdraw, the British suffer heavy casualties.

- 1905 – Irish nationalist Arthur Griffith founds Sinn Féin as a political party with the main aim of establishing a dual monarchy in Ireland.

- 1908 – A mine explosion in Marianna, Pennsylvania, kills 154 men, leaving only one survivor.

- 1912 – Albania declares its independence from the Ottoman Empire.

- 1914 – World War I: Following a war-induced closure in July, the New York Stock Exchange re-opens for bond trading.

- 1917 – The Estonian Provincial Assembly declares itself the sovereign power of Estonia.

- 1919 – Lady Astor is elected as a Member of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. She is the first woman to sit in the House of Commons. (Countess Markievicz, the first to be elected, refused to sit.)

- 1920 – Irish War of Independence: Kilmichael Ambush: The Irish Republican Army ambush a convoy of British Auxiliaries and kill seventeen.

- 1925 – The Grand Ole Opry begins broadcasting in Nashville, Tennessee, as the WSM Barn Dance.

- 1942 – In Boston, Massachusetts, a fire in the Cocoanut Grove nightclub kills 492 people.

- 1943 – World War II: Tehran Conference: U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin meet in Tehran, Iran, to discuss war strategy.

- 1958 – Chad, the Republic of the Congo, and Gabon become autonomous republics within the French Community.

- 1960 – Mauritania becomes independent of France.

- 1964 – Mariner program: NASA launches the Mariner 4 probe toward Mars.

- 1964 – Vietnam War: National Security Council members agree to recommend that U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson adopt a plan for a two-stage escalation of bombing in North Vietnam.

- 1965 – Vietnam War: In response to U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson's call for "more flags" in Vietnam, Philippine President-elect Ferdinand Marcos announces he will send troops to help fight in South Vietnam.

- 1966 – Michel Micombero overthrows the monarchy of Burundi and makes himself the first president.

- 1967 – The first pulsar (PSR B1919+21, in the constellation of Vulpecula) was discovered by two astronomers Jocelyn Bell Burnell and Antony Hewish.

- 1971 – Fred Quilt, a leader of the Tsilhqot'in First Nation suffers severe abdominal injuries allegedly caused by Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers; he dies two days later.

- 1971 – Wasfi al-Tal, Prime Minister of Jordan, is assassinated by the Black September unit of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

- 1972 – Last executions in Paris: Claude Buffet and Roger Bontems are guillotined at La Santé Prison.

- 1975 – East Timor declares its independence from Portugal.

- 1979 – Air New Zealand Flight 901, a DC-10 sightseeing flight over Antarctica, crashes into Mount Erebus, killing all 257 people on board.

- 1980 – Iran–Iraq War: Operation Morvarid: The bulk of the Iraqi Navy is destroyed by the Iranian Navy in the Persian Gulf. (Commemorated in Iran as Navy Day.)

- 1987 – South African Airways Flight 295 crashes into the Indian Ocean, killing all 159 people on board.

- 1989 – Cold War: Velvet Revolution: In the face of protests, the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia announces it will give up its monopoly on political power.

- 1990 – British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher resigns as leader of the Conservative Party and, therefore, as Prime Minister. She is succeeded in both positions by John Major.

- 1991 – South Ossetia declares independence from Georgia.

- 2002 – Suicide bombers blow up an Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya; their colleagues fail in their attempt to bring down Arkia Israel Airlines Flight 582 with surface-to-air missiles.

- 2014 – Gunmen set off three bombs at the central mosque in the northern Nigerian city of Kano killing at least 120 people.

- 2016 – A chartered Avro RJ85 plane carrying at least 81 people, including the Chapecoense football team, crashes near Medellín, Colombia.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1118 - Manuel I Komnenos, Byzantine emperor

- 1489 - Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scots

- 1628 - John Bunyan, English preacher, theologian, and author

- 1757 - William Blake, English poet and painter

- 1772 - Luke Howard, English chemist and meteorologist

- 1820 - Friedrich Engels, German-English philosopher, economist, and journalist

- 1829 - Anton Rubinstein, Russian pianist, composer, and conductor

- 1837 - John Wesley Hyatt, American engineer

- 1881 - Stefan Zweig, Austrian author, playwright, and journalist

- 1931 - Tomi Ungerer, French author and illustrator

- 1943 - Randy Newman, American singer-songwriter and pianist

- 1950 - Ed Harris, American actor and producer

- 1961 - Alfonso Cuarón, Mexican director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1962 - Jon Stewart, American comedian, actor, and television host

- 1974 - apl.de.ap, Filipino-American singer and rapper

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Quote of the day

As far as I'm concerned, 'whom' is a word that was invented to make everyone sound like a butler.

- Calvin Trillin -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Kalaron

Goodnight friends. Have a nice remaining day and extra sweet dreams the coming night. :D

Love you all. <3

Jaslandia, Hyderbourg, Kalaron, Czeko Russika

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight friends. Have a nice remaining day and extra sweet dreams the coming night. :D

Love you all. <3

Goodnight, Peng!

<<< Is reading an article about free speech. Thinks about one of the free speech issues in NS. Gets that issue.

*Twilight Zone music*

Jaslandia, Yukona

Hey. Update (Cesorion)

All of the Factbooks in this Nation have a new header. What do you think?

Vista Major, Lex Caledonia

The Confederate Papers wrote:Hey. Update (Cesorion)

All of the Factbooks in this Nation have a new header. What do you think?

I like.

Cesorion

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Office of the Vice-Chancellor

Cesorion

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Auxorii is now Deputy Vice-Chancellor

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Czeko Russika

Yes I have no pizza

Jaslandia, Vista Major

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=866042

Updated map and flags!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia, Czeko Russika

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Yes I have no pizza

so its hell then eh?

Jaslandia

When NS says you have sh*tty pizza...

OWN IT!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=926966

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=866042

Updated map and flags!

You have a perfect budget balance on your government page.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:You have a perfect budget balance on your government page.

E Q U I L I B R I U M

Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:E Q U I L I B R I U M

After a while I am beginning to get balance in Saor Scotland again. But it's still an autocracy and monarchy. Grr.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:After a while I am beginning to get balance in Saor Scotland again. But it's still an autocracy and monarchy. Grr.

Heh, I'M a monarchy and I desperately wanna get rid of it.

Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:Heh, I'M a monarchy and I desperately wanna get rid of it.

I'm quite a liberal autocracy it seems. I allow public protest, there is a free press and political freedoms are "very good."

Axeldonia

When you're the one dictatorship who isn't a benevolent dictatorship and are more like Gregoryisgodistan

Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:You have a perfect budget balance on your government page.

He can do it through the power of syndicalism, where the means of production is owned by horizontally-organized unions on behalf of the proletariat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8kGzHH00I

Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:He can do it through the power of syndicalism, where the means of production is owned by horizontally-organized unions on behalf of the proletariat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8kGzHH00I

What the hell is a horizontally organised union?

Nuremgard wrote:What the hell is a horizontally organised union?

A horizontally-organized union is a union that is organized in such a way that are few, if any, levels between members and leaders.

Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:A horizontally-organized union is a union that is organized in such a way that are few, if any, levels between members and leaders.

All I knew was that these unions are a hallmark of syndicalist economics which is an element of fascism.

The Wyoming Peoples Front

I just remembered that my birthday is December 1

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:All I knew was that these unions are a hallmark of syndicalist economics which is an element of fascism.

Some forms of fascism, such as Falangism, support a form of syndicalism called National Syndicalism. On the other hand, most syndicalists support a form of Revolutionary Syndicalism, which is far more leftist than National Syndicalism.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Vetriutan 2 wrote:Some forms of fascism, such as Falangism, support a form of syndicalism called National Syndicalism. On the other hand, most syndicalists support a form of Revolutionary Syndicalism, which is far more leftist than National Syndicalism.

I was originally going to make New Salvatore Falangist but having looked at the core tenets of the ideology, the way the regime is being run, it's not Falangist.

Vetriutan 2

Nuremgard wrote:I was originally going to make New Salvatore Falangist but having looked at the core tenets of the ideology, the way the regime is being run, it's not Falangist.

When I was working with Nuova Constidor, I was actually working on making it a De Leonist state. FYI, De Leonism is a form of syndicalism that has a special emphasis on Marxism. It was founded in the 1890s by Daniel De Leon.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

My country is officially a autocracy

Nuremgard

Vetriutan 2 wrote:When I was working with Nuova Constidor, I was actually working on making it a De Leonist state. FYI, De Leonism is a form of syndicalism that has a special emphasis on Marxism. It was founded in the 1890s by Daniel De Leon.

What is the primary objective of syndicalist economics?

Fuhrmania wrote:My country is officially a autocracy

Autocracy is efficient.

How the hell i am in the top ten percent for world endorsement but only have 1

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Autocracy is efficient.

Indeed my friend indeed

Nuremgard

I will destroy north korea

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:I will destroy north korea

Mr Trump, it's late. Go to bed.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Yukona wrote:I will destroy north korea

north korea i will destroy

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Fuhrmania wrote:I just remembered that my birthday is December 1

Happy early birthday, Fuhr!

The dictatorial party in charge of New Salvatore is the Salvatorian Nationalist Party. SNP. Lol.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:I will destroy north korea

Now this I can get behind.

Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:Now this I can get behind.

Let's stick with destroying the crappy leaders. Leave the poor innocent millions out of the destruction.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Let's stick with destroying the crappy leaders. Leave the poor innocent millions out of the destruction.

Honestly, either way SK is gonna be pissed.

Kalaron wrote:Honestly, either way SK is gonna be pissed.

Why would SK be pissed at the NK regime being taken down?

Kalaron

Nuremgard wrote:Why would SK be pissed at the NK regime being taken down?

Refugees, China pressuring them over control of the northern territories, and any attempt at integrating the former DPRK relies on dismantling decades of blind devotion to Juche and the Kim dynasty

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron

Nuremgard wrote:Why would SK be pissed at the NK regime being taken down?

For the same reason that the West German Gov wasn't too pleased after the EG got subsumed. It costs a lot of money to bring them up to snuff with the country that they're living in afterwards. The Sorks have plans for it, but no one really thinks that their economy won't be stressed to the breaking point by the sheer influx of people.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Refugees, China pressuring them over control of the northern territories, and any attempt at integrating the former DPRK relies on dismantling decades of blind devotion to Juche and the Kim dynasty

Well if Germany could be denazified and unified, I think/hope Korea can be unified and cleansed of the Kim cult.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Confederal States

Nuremgard wrote:Well if Germany could be denazified and unified, I think/hope Korea can be unified and cleansed of the Kim cult.

Honestly, I hope. The only answer I can really think of is to have the Norks set up a internationally monitored Gov, the Sorks would drop from first world status otherwise.

The big problem is that the cost of reunifying Germany is something like 1.7 trillion dollars, but at least the East Germans had a nominally sophisticated society. The Norks have 25M people who are starving, half of which is without power and most of which are actually infested with parasites from their farming practices. I would not be surprised if the cost for a Kork-Reun would something like 5-10 trillion dollars.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Honestly, I hope. The only answer I can really think of is to have the Norks set up a internationally monitored Gov, the Sorks would drop from first world status otherwise.

The big problem is that the cost of reunifying Germany is something like 1.7 trillion dollars, but at least the East Germans had a nominally sophisticated society. The Norks have 25M people who are starving, half of which is without power and most of which are actually infested with parasites from their farming practices. I would not be surprised if the cost for a Kork-Reun would something like 5-10 trillion dollars.

I think the only time the Kim regime will fall is when/if China renounces communism and officially declares itself a capitalist, democratic country. Without its mighty protector, the NK regime wouldn't last long.

Nuremgard wrote:Let's stick with destroying the crappy leaders. Leave the poor innocent millions out of the destruction.

Oh yeah totally but North Korea the state needs to be destroyed, that’s what I mean.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:I think the only time the Kim regime will fall is when/if China renounces communism and officially declares itself a capitalist, democratic country. Without its mighty protector, the NK regime wouldn't last long.

Aye, though such an event would require a total about face in China. We're sooner to see an independent Honk Kong join a Independent Scotland in singing Auld Lang Syne while an Independent Ireland looks on happily.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia

Kalaron wrote:Aye, though such an event would require a total about face in China. We're sooner to see an independent Honk Kong join a Independent Scotland in singing Auld Lang Syne while an Independent Ireland looks on happily.

China is capitalist in all but name. Baby steps.

Kalaron

Nuremgard wrote:I think the only time the Kim regime will fall is when/if China renounces communism and officially declares itself a capitalist, democratic country. Without its mighty protector, the NK regime wouldn't last long.

Even then, I think China would continue to back North Korea.

A: China and NK are already pretty dissimilar in terms of ideology, so China declaring itself capitalist and democratic wouldn't really change the ideological relationship between the two by much. Heck, North Korea isn't even communist technically: they renounced that term a few decades ago, and now Juche is their only official ideology.

B: Even if we put aside ideology, China has strategic interests in North Korea. China and the U.S. are geopolitical rivals, and South Korea is a U.S. ally. Thus, unless some sort of new buffer state is installed, North Korea falling and being reunited with the South would put a U.S. ally and potentially U.S. forces on China's doorsteps, and that would not do at all.

C: North Korea collapsing would likely result in a refugee crisis, and China would have to deal with a significant chunk of that. People say the Syrian refugee situation in Europe in a crisis, but I've heard some say that a North Korean refugee crisis would make the Syrian refugee crisis look like a walk in the park.

Overall, no matter how insane North Korea can be China, China has nothing to gain and everything to lose by letting North Korea collapse.

Nuremgard

Kalaron wrote:Aye, though such an event would require a total about face in China. We're sooner to see an independent Honk Kong join a Independent Scotland in singing Auld Lang Syne while an Independent Ireland looks on happily.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif

I mean, we’re already a 1/3 of the way there as Ireland’s been Independent for quite some time ;)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:Even then, I think China would continue to back North Korea.

Overall, no matter how insane North Korea can be China, China has nothing to gain and everything to lose by letting North Korea collapse.

Damn geopolitics. Always getting in the way of my utopia.

Lex Caledonia wrote:https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif

I mean, we’re already a 1/3 of the way there as Ireland’s been Independent for quite some time ;)

I feel like we'd get on in real life lol

Also, with the way many British ministers and Brexiteers are talking, you'd think Ireland was still a colony of the UK!

Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif

I mean, we’re already a 1/3 of the way there as Ireland’s been Independent for quite some time ;)

But the key word was happily though :P

1/6

Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:

China is capitalist in all but name. Baby steps.

#CapitalismWithVistonianCharacteristics

Mercunova

Lex Caledonia wrote:https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif

I mean, we’re already a 1/3 of the way there as Ireland’s been Independent for quite some time ;)

Hey, Lex. I just had a random thought. You know how fascism took various forms in Europe depending on the country and its culture? Germany had the Nazism, Italy had Fascism, Spain had Francoism. What do you think Scottish fascism would be like?

Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Hey, Lex. I just had a random thought. You know how fascism took various forms in Europe depending on the country and its culture? Germany had the Nazism, Italy had Fascism, Spain had Francoism. What do you think Scottish fascism would be like?

A cult of personality surrounding haggis, every child must be taught to play 'Scotland the Brave' on the bagpipes, everyone must wear a kilt during the day, and the dictator is Groundskeeper Willie. Or so I would guess.

jk

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:A cult of personality surrounding haggis, every child must be taught to play 'Scotland the Brave' on the bagpipes, everyone must wear a kilt during the day, and the dictator is Groundskeeper Willie. Or so I would guess.

jk

I actually did discover a Scottish ultranationalist group called Siol nan Gaidheal (Seed of the Gaels.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siol_nan_Gaidheal

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:A cult of personality surrounding haggis, every child must be taught to play 'Scotland the Brave' on the bagpipes, everyone must wear a kilt during the day, and the dictator is Groundskeeper Willie. Or so I would guess.

jk

And there was also the Scottish Democratic Fascist Party (lol), a short lived party that was founded by an Irish-hating, anti-Catholic paedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Democratic_Fascist_Party

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:And there was also the Scottish Democratic Fascist Party (lol), a short lived party that was founded by an Irish-hating, anti-Catholic paedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Democratic_Fascist_Party

Isn't 'Democratic Fascist' a contradiction?

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:I actually did discover a Scottish ultranationalist group called Siol nan Gaidheal (Seed of the Gaels.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siol_nan_Gaidheal

Also, from the link, Siol nan Gaidheal mentions 'English people resident in Scotland will integrate into and make a full contribution to the community of Scotland'. How exactly would an English person 'integrate' into Scotland? Would they demand that immigrants from London start wearing kilts and punching people (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ViolentGlaswegian)? Would Geordies need to eat a dinner of haggis in order to get citizenship? I'm not saying Scotland has no culture, I just wasn't aware that Scotland and England are so dissimilar as to require 'integration' into one another.

Nuremgard

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f-35-cost-drops-to-below-100-million-per-plane-for-first-time/article/2613855

Wooot

Kalaron wrote:But the key word was happily though :P

1/6

Nuremgard wrote:Hey, Lex. I just had a random thought. You know how fascism took various forms in Europe depending on the country and its culture? Germany had the Nazism, Italy had Fascism, Spain had Francoism. What do you think Scottish fascism would be like?

Interesting...

[spoiler=Lex's Terrible History Lesson]Well Scottish Fascism was inherently linked with British Fascism during the 1930s and 40s, yer man Alexander Thomson (Raven) was a figure head for it back then. However he was a member of the BUF (British Union of Fascists) and would've been very pro-unionist (like many people and political parties at the time).

Another example is the Scottish Democratic Fascist Party run by William Gilmour, they were anti-catholic and anti-irish, at odds with the BUF a bunch as well. It didn't work out too well though, Will got trumped by everyone he went up against and his party failed to attract a large following. He jumped parties a bunch; Independent Labour, New Party, SDFP, Labour and finally Liberal. Oh he was also a pedo and got jailed for child sexual abuse.[/spoiler]

To conclude, Scottish Fascism never took off because we're no utter fannies.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:Interesting...

[spoiler=Lex's Terrible History Lesson]Well Scottish Fascism was inherently linked with British Fascism during the 1930s and 40s, yer man Alexander Thomson (Raven) was a figure head for it back then. However he was a member of the BUF (British Union of Fascists) and would've been very pro-unionist (like many people and political parties at the time).

Another example is the Scottish Democratic Fascist Party run by William Gilmour, they were anti-catholic and anti-irish, at odds with the BUF a bunch as well. It didn't work out too well though, Will got trumped by everyone he went up against and his party failed to attract a large following. He jumped parties a bunch; Independent Labour, New Party, SDFP, Labour and finally Liberal. Oh he was also a pedo and got jailed for child sexual abuse.[/spoiler]

To conclude, Scottish Fascism never took off because we're no utter fannies.

[spoiler=Bonus Rubbish Lesson]Another interesting case of Fascism in Scotland is Lord Brocket and the Seven Men of Knoydart. Brocket was a big fascist who was part of the Conservative party and a Nazi sympathiser. Basically 7 Scottish veterans from WW2 claimed his neglected land in Knoydart through invoking the Land Settlement Act, which allowed servicemen to takeover under-used and abandoned land for farming as their own. Its considered the Last Land Raid of Scotland, where Highlanders protesting the highland clearances of their forebears would occupy the land stolen from them. They won a court case against them and the land was theirs. Although some sources claim otherwise, however they are very vague.

They're celebrated with a cairn that reads:

Justice!

In 1948 near this cairn the Seven Men of Knoydart staked claims to secure a place to live and work.

For over a century Highlanders had been forced to use land raids to gain a foothold where their forebears lived. Their struggle should inspire each new generation of Scots to gain such rights by just laws.

History will judge harshly the oppressive laws that have led to the virtual extinction of a unique culture from this beautiful place.[/spoiler]

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:And there was also the Scottish Democratic Fascist Party (lol), a short lived party that was founded by an Irish-hating, anti-Catholic paedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Democratic_Fascist_Party

It's weird how nationalist groups always have wannabes leading them, IIRC there was one in Greece that was led by a invalid Turk who didn't even speak Greek.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia

http://www.ponarseurasia.org/memo/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027

Hey look

No SU-57 until 2027 it looks like.

Jaslandia wrote:Even then, I think China would continue to back North Korea.

A: China and NK are already pretty dissimilar in terms of ideology, so China declaring itself capitalist and democratic wouldn't really change the ideological relationship between the two by much. Heck, North Korea isn't even communist technically: they renounced that term a few decades ago, and now Juche is their only official ideology.

B: Even if we put aside ideology, China has strategic interests in North Korea. China and the U.S. are geopolitical rivals, and South Korea is a U.S. ally. Thus, unless some sort of new buffer state is installed, North Korea falling and being reunited with the South would put a U.S. ally and potentially U.S. forces on China's doorsteps, and that would not do at all.

C: North Korea collapsing would likely result in a refugee crisis, and China would have to deal with a significant chunk of that. People say the Syrian refugee situation in Europe in a crisis, but I've heard some say that a North Korean refugee crisis would make the Syrian refugee crisis look like a walk in the park.

Overall, no matter how insane North Korea can be China, China has nothing to gain and everything to lose by letting North Korea collapse.

Fun fact, or rather, unfortunate fact, we recently sold our last Rare Earth Mine to China.

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