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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
The point is equality. Everyone would be equal. In my system there would be no tyranny by majority. Each individual state would be equal, and have an equal say.
As it is, only the votes from a small handful of states really matter, and the rest of us could honestly just stay home.
Nuremgard
You still have a tyranny of the majority. The majority of states are Republicans but the majority of the population are Democrats. Having one vote per state is hardly fair to the majority of people and have it based on just the population is hardly fair to people who live in rural areas. The electoral set up is necessary. Just make it so all states are faithful electors based on the popular vote, in which the electors are assigned to whatever proportion that people vote (i.e. 40% people vote Republican, then 40% of state's electors go to the Republican candidate). That would make it fair and make your vote matter even if you're not in a swing state.
Um, no thanks. Abolish parties instead.
Aldaur, Vista Major
Yes. YES! YEEEEEEEEEES!
#BringBackWashington
Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
That's not a bad idea
#BlokesForBlocs
Aldaur
#Abloishme
#Shootmeintheskull
FiveThirtyEight is now giving Trump a 55% chance of winning the Presidency. Dear God, what grave sin have we committed in order to deserve this?
Aldaur, Vista Major, New Estaris
Hello g-guys, I'm n-new here so please be g-gentle with me. It's m-my first time.
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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, New Estaris
EGHJ
I still think Clinton will win, although Trump winning Michigan is pretty big. If he wins Ohio and every Republican state, he will only need 18 more electors from either Battleground or Dem States. I am curious what a Trump presidency will look like though.
Jaslandia, Vista Major
No promises ;)
You're in the COFN. "Gentle" isn't in our vocab.
But we jump at the opportunity to welcome in the nee guy.
Jaslandia, The Land Of Golden Blobfish, Penguania And Antarctica
Okay, now Clinton is back up to 52% chance of winning. Heart attack averted for now.
Welcome, Golden Blobfish!
EGHJ?
The Land Of Golden Blobfish, Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
Presidential system over Parliamentary Democracy
Jaslandia, Aldaur
I would use 'worried' or 'scared' over 'terrified'.
Aldaur
I thought this looked like a good place to resettle. Followed Latrovia here from our old region.
Vista Major
Without any rhetoric, I just want to know what it will look like in an economic, social and foreign policy sense.
Abandoning the constitution and the principles behind it
Chatawa, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths
You all seem tense. Would some music help?
https://youtu.be/_INQfmg06AY
Jaslandia, The Land Of Golden Blobfish, Penguania And Antarctica
Wait a minute.... Hold on a second... Time out... Hold your horses... Zoinks... Jenkies... Roobie doobie doo...
Hello.
I would have used "Bed-wetting petrified"
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Don't mind me. I'm just hanging out with my popcorn watching the fecal matter hit the oscillating rotator.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
And so God punishes us by giving us one of the most constitutionally-ignorant presidents in modern U.S. history? Doesn't our own Constitution have a part outlawing cruel and unusual punishment? If divine retribution is governed by the U.S. Constitution, I think the Eight Amendment would apply here.
I don't feel that much better, but I appreciate you trying.
Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
ruh oh
I think this better suits us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYnvDL0Qcw&feature=youtu.be&t=29s
Jaslandia
Do I sense the coming fall of the republic anyone? Not now....but this is the beginning lol
Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
Speaking as a libertarian? We kinda deserve it.
Chatawa, Aldaur
Speaking as a Fascist? I agree....though probably for different reasons lol
https://youtu.be/i8ju_10NkGY
If what I am watching is right, I don't know anything about the electoral college anymore. It doesn't match at all what I've read. I'm very confused now, and I think Trump may win since it looks like he will win Wisconsin too.
FiveThirtyEight gives Trump a 61% chance of winning the Presidency. Dear God. Someone pass me the alcohol. And possibly the gun.
Aldaur
*Passes the gun....keeps the alcohol*
Jaslandia
Are you alright, Jas?
Jaslandia, Aldaur
I'm fine, Percy. Just watching the vindication of one of the most bigoted, sexist, ignorant, unqualified candidates in modern U.S. history, and all of his like-minded supporters, but I'm just peachy besides that. I mean, how else can I react when all of our foreign alliances and trade deals hang in the balance? And I know there's nothing I love more than seeing the well-being of immigrants, Muslims, and LGBT people being put at risk. I could never be better, Percy! NEVER! BETTER! /heavy sarcasm
I'm sorry I snapped at you, Percy. I just did not want this election result to happen in the slightest.
Aldaur, Percyton
I feel rather vindicated right now, because for all of yesterday and today I defended my prediction Trump would win Florida and North Carolina against people who said it was "Up in the air" and predicted it to be Clinton. My prediction was right.
...
Now please god let the rest of it be right and have Clinton win. Please.
Jaslandia, Aldaur
I support Trump's ideas, but I don't support him. I don't support Clinton or her ideas. So I guess I'd refer Trump, but I still think Clinton will win.
Wisconsin went for Trump I've heard, and FiveThirtyEight gives Trump a 77% chance of winning. I'm crossing my fingers, but I think it's over. I was hoping the far-right wave from Europe wouldn't cross the Atlantic, but I'm afraid it has. FDR is rolling in his grave.
Aldaur
Wisconsin is only at 73.1% Reporting, with the major cities still yet to produce their full results. It'll be narrow victory, but Clinton still has a chance.
God, why did the Democrats have to elect such a turd sandwich...
Jaslandia
Is it bad that I'm hoping (serious) allegations of voter fraud, suppression, and/or intimidation are revealed? That seems like Clinton's best chance to win, and I wouldn't put it past Trump's supporters to do some vigilante 'poll monitoring'.
This is not the far right candidate I wanted, but who knows, maybe this is something we need. Clearly the American people want this.
Actually all of the voter fraud that the mainstream media isn't showing, has come from the democratic side of the house...
Aldaur
Lat is a cool dude. That makes you a cool dude. Make yourself at home, while you still can.
This election is gonna have this region up in flames in a few hours.
Better question: How did the Republicans nominate someone as unstable and ridiculous as Trump? Why did Trump get so much momentum during the primaries? Why is Trump even running? Everything about Trump's candidacy is like a giant question mark.
[Citation needed]
Yeah, because we all need nuclear wars, right?
Aldaur
I'm really sorry to hear that, Jas. Is there anything I can do to help?
Popular vote is separate from the electoral vote though, so it wouldn't matter regardless.
We're not going to have a nuclear war, don't be ridiculous.
Jaslandia
Depends. How easy is it to immigrate to Percyton?
Trump has basically zero capacity criticism, so sometimes I wonder...
Aldaur
Jesus, my parents are going on a tirade about 3rd party candidates. I guess they forget that we have a Congress with establishment Republicans.
Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
There has been video published from Louisiana showing voting machines not allowing voters to choose anyone but Hillary, then there were the folks outside of a polling place in Ohio that were handing out flyers telling democrats how they should be voting. I'm not all that great with computers and I found it in just a few minutes.
Louisiana! That's my state!
Chatawa
Trump has to converse with the Joint Chiefs before ordering a nuclear strike, have the Secretary of Defense confirm the strike, and then the military itself has to think it is not an unethical order. Trust me, the military is not trained to just do whatever. We're trained to think critically and ethically. Also, while Trump is certainly quite obscene in character, he is not insane. In addition, who are we going to go to war with? He wants to be friendly to Russia, and he knows the economic circumstance we have with China, so that won't happen. The only instance where he might nuke people is if North Korea threatens us, but I still doubt that and he would still have to deal with the political repercussions of an unpopular choice. He would still have to be able to win reelection you know.
Chatawa, Kalaron
Let's not forget that part about the oath we took to defend the Constitution and the people. Just because the military is ordered to do something, doesn't mean it is set in stone. We are of the people of the nation, not against them.
Aldaur
Utah just handed 6 more votes to Trump
We're pretty much f*cked, in complete sincerity with no sarcasm
Once again, f*cked
Jaslandia
Canada's immigration website has crashed. Get your visas and passports ready folks.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Assuming those videos are reliable, those could just be technical errors. And they must be isolated incidents, considering Trump wouldn't be winning if it was an effective systematic campaign.
Trump is still Commander-in-Chief, and he's also very stubborn, so if he orders a nuclear strike and the generals refuse to launch, I'm fearful of what kind of standoff would happen next.
I'll give you that those could have been technical areas but why did they happen in multiple other states with the same result if that's the case? And that also doesn't address the flyers.
"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr
Though the night is dark, and the path is dark, we must look to the sky for one day the dawn will come. Though we may suffer this blow today, we as progressives and liberals must stand together, learn from this defeat, and continue to fight for a better tomorrow.
Though there may be Trump in the White House, we must stand together and stand up for progressive values together. Individually, we are weak, ignorable. Together, we can continue the fight and keep Trump on his heels the entire time. That path is dark, but that dawn is only 4 years away. While it's 4 years of Trump, it's also 4 years to prepare for this war again, and we'll be ready next time.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Our whole system is bullsh!t though. I used to like a republican form of government because I was an elitist and thought people were stupid, which they are, but they are that way because they feel that their voice cannot be heard. If you don't think you can be heard, you might as well be apathetic. Why learn what you need to know when people in Congress or these establishment elites will just do what they want. It's not just our system either, the UK is guilty of this. The rebuking of Brexit by their court because of Parliamentary sovereignty is bull. What is the point of having a referenda if the legislature will just say no to the people? There have been so many times where the people in my State passed a ballot measure, only to have our state legislature reverse the decision because that's not what they want. People call us stupid and that we can't learn, but that is not an excuse. If you want any good government, you need to educate people, but more importantly, give people the power to decide things for themselves and create an environment that enables people. If you do that, people will learn and be engaged on their own. If the people want something, then give it to them.
I'm proud to say I am a populist now and believe in majoritarianism. Liberalism is anti-democratic and it's time that the people's voice is heard.
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but if that's who the people want, then I am proud to call him my President and Commander in Chief.
Also, I have evolved over the course of this election and I am more inclined to be favorable towards Bernie Sanders as well. This is due to me rereading a lot of Fascist literature, which has made me believe that true democracy can only come about through mass mobilization. I am no longer a Burke Conservative. Change will always come, and we can either deal with it or let it deal with you.
Isolated incidents happen; I've also heard reports of technical errors switching votes to Trump. These errors (assuming they're legitimate errors, and not user errors) are usually quickly fixed and not widespread enough to turn the election.
http://www.snopes.com/machine-voting-pens-switching-votes/
As for flyers, yes they shouldn't have been passing out flyers, but again, I've seen no evidence that's anything other than an isolated incident.
It doesn't matter how stubborn Trump is. Reread this comment:
Trump can fire his generals, can he not? He can keep cycling through the generals until he gets one who will launch, even if he has to appoint a private as Joint Chairman. Hyperbole? Probably, but with a candidate like Trump, I'm going through all the worst-case scenarios.
Sorry, Bax. You guys made your bed of scorpions, and now you have to sleep in the boo box we call the United States.
Aldaur
Hope we can get a miracle
Not going to happen but okay.
I am sorry guys but I realized that the book I studied was printed before a few electoral reforms, and I understand the process a little better. Essentially, it is a popular election in each state which is different from the national popular vote. If you live in a party dominate state and you're in the opposition, in normal circumstances, your vote still does not matter unless there is huge voter turnout like in this election. Normally, not many people vote and if they do, it is along party lines. So if you want your vote to matter and you're in the opposition, make sure that the opposition has the numbers to overcome the normal "majority" and mobilize those people to vote for the opposition. Essentially, the silent majority is a real thing, and unless under unique circumstances, they don't vote. Very interesting stuff.
It is cowardly to flee your country because you didn't win. Not to mention being an incredibly sore loser.
I can understand the disappointment of liberals though. You want Sanders. Lost. You choose Clinton. Probably lost. Sucks. If Sanders won the nomination, he'd probably win by a landslide. Looks like she fvcked it up for everyone.
Oh, I'm not planning to leave. But the immigration website is actually down.
Jaslandia, Aldaur
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I have a great amount of sympathy for Hillary Clinton, just about as much as she would have for us Trump supporters.
She. Deserves. This.
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Clinton concedes.
Good job America. /s
Hope you will be great again.
Aldaur
Whether we like him or not, it's time to get on board and make this happen.
But at which cost ? At the cost of other nations or certain people?
Jaslandia, Aldaur
America First means America first. It's time that we take care of our own problems and help our own people. I love you Germany, but we shouldn't be there defending you. You used to be an empire, defend yourself. We shouldn't still be spending billions on German infrastructure through a still active marshal plan when Germany has one of the strongest economies in Europe. We will still help you as allies, but that's just it. We haven't been allies, we have been caretakers and that's not fair to us. We can't sustain a relationship where the US provides the bulk of the military protection, financial aid, infrastructure supply and the lion's share of the cost. We need to have an equal relationship and it is time that you have self determination without our say. This is true for all nations. Let's get nation's to stop bring reliant on us and to build them up to walk on their own feet. America has tried this imperialist endeavor and we're not good at it. Let's go back to non-interventionism.
I just used Germany as an example brcause you're German, so I thought it'd be fitting. Not to single you out :p
Aetosia
Oh my goodness, this is literally so funny!
Never asked America to deploy troops here not have I asked America to uphold the marshal plan till today.
Aldaur
But I know what you mean. Isolationism and each to their own. First we then the others. If someone needs help they should help themselves or go down.
Aldaur
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him
Au Minbo, Penguania And Antarctica
That's....not how militaries work, Jas.
Like, not even close.
Anywho, everyone can calm down now, seriously fellas, no need to run.
Your all over reacting, he could be of each of the best presidents you've ever had, at the very least he will make a change to the wet wuss fest Obama has been creating.
Aldaur
America, you're a f*cking disgrace. Everyone talked about you being stupid. Well your people have just officially declared it. You've made your bed, now lie in it. Anything that happens next, I have no sympathy. Just a shame the rest of the world will be affected by your bullsh!t decision.
Time for IQ tests for voters methinks.
Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms
Well, that's a little extreme.
Let's wait and watch before making any serious condemnations.
I wouldn't go that far, at all.
He might not be totally sh!t, though.
Aldaur
Oh yes, I forgot.
Let's congratulate Banitia for defeating our Penguanian overlord.
Thar makes him...something?
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Remember what happened the last time a country voted for a populist who promised to solve the nation's problems? Yeah. Didn't end well. But whatever. The true believers will not be swayed.
I have just awoken to this, and my own despair has come. We just elected a person completely unqualified and my own shame at this is beyond words.
Jaslandia
Well, I'm not a true believer by any extent, and I should note that two events with similar beginnings may not end the same way.
You don't have to worry, OK?
We won't invade and kill children, I trust the military to refuse such barbaric orders, and I expect the General's to hate Trump just as much as we do.
Like I said, mate, lets wait and watch before calling him Hitler, yeah?
Aldaur
Ah, well. His voters will learn their lesson when he ruins the country. Schadenfreude will never have been so sweet.
I just don't care any more. At least it gives me hope in a sense. If Trump can become President then anything can happen, including Scottish independence.
Aldaur, Minnesota Dakota, Pirate Kingdoms
Hello dudes.
[spoiler=Today are:]
Today are:
- Birthday of Muhammad Iqbal (Pakistan)
- Chaos Never Dies Day
- Day of the Skulls or Dia de los natitas (Bolivia)
- Independence Day (Cambodia)
- Inventors' Day (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)
- Microtia Awareness Day
- National Flag Day (Azerbaijan)
- National Scrapple Day (United States)
- Schicksalstag (Germany)
- World Freedom Day (United States)
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 694 - At the Seventeenth Council of Toledo, Egica, a king of the Visigoths of Hispania, accuses Jews of aiding Muslims, sentencing all Jews to slavery.
- 1313 - Louis the Bavarian defeats his cousin Frederick I of Austria at the Battle of Gammelsdorf.
- 1520 - More than 50 people are sentenced and executed in the Stockholm Bloodbath
- 1620 - Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower sight land at Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
- 1688 - Glorious Revolution: William of Orange captures Exeter.
- 1720 - The synagogue of Judah HeHasid is burned down by Arab creditors, leading to the expulsion of the Ashkenazim from Jerusalem.
- 1780 - American Revolutionary War: In the Battle of Fishdam Ford a force of British and Loyalist troops fail in a surprise attack against the South Carolina Patriot militia under Brigadier General Thomas Sumter.
- 1799 - Napoleon Bonaparte leads the Coup of 18 Brumaire ending the Directory government, and becoming one of its three Consuls (Consulate Government).
- 1857 - The Atlantic is founded in Boston, Massachusetts.
- 1861 - The first documented football match in Canada is played at University College, Toronto.
- 1867 - Tokugawa shogunate hands power back to the Emperor of Japan, starting the Meiji Restoration.
- 1872 - The Great Boston Fire of 1872.
- 1883 - The Royal Winnipeg Rifles of the Canadian Armed Forces (known then as the "90th Winnipeg Battalion of Rifles") is founded.
- 1906 - Theodore Roosevelt is the first sitting President of the United States to make an official trip outside the country. He did so to inspect progress on the Panama Canal.
- 1907 - The Cullinan Diamond is presented to King Edward VII on his birthday.
- 1918 - Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany abdicates after the German Revolution, and Germany is proclaimed a Republic.
- 1921 - The Italian National Fascist Party comes into existence.
- 1923 - In Munich, Germany, police and government troops crush the Beer Hall Putsch in Bavaria. The failed coup is the work of the Nazis.
- 1938 - The Nazi German diplomat Ernst vom Rath dies from gunshot wounds by Herschel Grynszpan, an act which the Nazis used as an excuse to instigate the 1938 national pogrom, also known as Kristallnacht.
- 1940 - Warsaw is awarded the Virtuti Militari.
- 1960 - Robert McNamara is named president of Ford Motor Company, the first non-Ford to serve in that post. A month later, he resigned to join the administration of newly elected John F. Kennedy.
- 1965 - Several U.S. states and parts of Canada are hit by a series of blackouts lasting up to 13 hours in the Northeast blackout of 1965.
- 1967 - Apollo program: NASA launches the unmanned Apollo 4 test spacecraft atop the first Saturn V rocket from Cape Kennedy, Florida.
- 1967 - The first issue of Rolling Stone magazine is published.
- 1979 - Nuclear false alarm: The NORAD computers and the Alternate National Military Command Center in Fort Ritchie, Maryland detected purported massive Soviet nuclear strike. After reviewing the raw data from satellites and checking the early-warning radars, the alert is cancelled.
- 1985 - Garry Kasparov, 22, of the Soviet Union becomes the youngest World Chess Champion by beating fellow Soviet Anatoly Karpov.
- 1989 - Fall of the Berlin Wall. East Germany opens checkpoints in the Berlin Wall, allowing its citizens to travel to West Berlin.
- 1994 - The chemical element darmstadtium is discovered.
- 1998 - A US federal judge, in the largest civil settlement in United States history, orders 37 US brokerage houses to pay 1.03 billion United States dollars to cheated NASDAQ investors to compensate for price fixing.
- 1998 - Capital punishment in the United Kingdom, already abolished for murder, is completely abolished for all remaining capital offences.
- 2005 - The Venus Express mission of the European Space Agency is launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.
- 2005 - Suicide bombers attacked three hotels in Amman, Jordan, killing at least 60 people.
- 2007 - The German Bundestag passes the controversial data retention bill mandating storage of citizens' telecommunications traffic data for six months without probable cause.
- 2012 - At least 27 people are killed and dozens are wounded in conflicts between inmates and guards at Welikada prison in Colombo.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1389 - Isabella of Valois
- 1683 - George II of Great Britain
- 1818 - Ivan Turgenev, Russian author and playwright
- 1841 - Edward VII of the United Kingdom
- 1885 - Hermann Weyl, German mathematician, physicist, and philosopher
- 1888 - Jean Monnet, French economist and diplomat
- 1905 - Erika Mann, German-Swiss actress and author
- 1914 - Hedy Lamarr, Austrian-American actress and inventor
- 1918 - Spiro Agnew, American soldier, lawyer, and politician, 39th Vice President of the United States
- 1928 - Anne Sexton, American poet and academic
- 1929 - Imre Kertesz, Hungarian author, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1934 - Carl Sagan, American astronomer, astrophysicist, and cosmologist
- 1936 - Mikhail Tal, Latvian-Russian chess player and author
- 1943 - Michael Kunze, German musical theater lyricist and librettist
- 1948 - Bille August, Danish director, cinematographer, and screenwriter
- 1974 - Sven Hannawald, German ski jumper
- 1974 - Alessandro Del Piero, Italian footballer
- 1984 - Delta Goodrem, Australian singer-songwriter, pianist, and actress
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Quote of the day
Bad officials are the ones elected by good citizens who do not vote.
- George Jean Nathan -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Jaslandia, Tserra, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
You too, Brutus?
Hey now, I'm a good old Republican, waiting to reinstate the republic after the others go and die, alright :P
Never thought that you would betray your friend. I'm very disappointed.
Kalaron
My poor's income is 6,000 rubles down and I lost some state-owned industry. Bugger.
Jaslandia
In light of Trump's election, that seems oddly appropriate.
Nuremgard, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Shotguns anyone? Buy one shotgun, get one ticket out of here for free! Brought to you by the Estarian board of death/suicide
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms
Perhaps now civil disorder prompted by a Trump Presidency will translate to general instability and we'll get real change.
Nah. He'll help out the 1% and things will carry on as usual.
New Estaris
Nah, he'll follow through and help everyone.
Everyone has to support and trust him to do his job. Don't let the media divide you all like they did with Brexit, we should have been relying together to make the process as good as possible but instead we had political instabilities and protests , the decision has been made, Unite not fight.
Aldaur
... This has to be a joke.
Bright side: TPP is fvcked. That is something I worried about in a Clinton administration, so that'll go the other way.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, New Estaris
Well he's got you well trained.
Aldaur
So what you're saying is, "we won, shut up now, do as you're told and don't have a different opinion because that would be divisive." Yes. Everyone should just go along with the BS to make your life easier.
New Estaris
No but we livery in a democracy nx the people have spoken, your on the losing side boohoo. You don't have to like it but everyone should pull together and work as a nation or it won't work and they system will fall apart.
Aldaur
Ah, yes, let me nip down my distaste for the one percent. Mmm. Yes that's nice. Ahhh. Yes. Let us join together! He will follow through with ALL his promises.
Trump won :)
Aetosia
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