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Thank you for putting it bluntly yet still eloquently.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
And you're a selfish man who cares more about his money than the good of his nation and countrymen.
Nuremgard
Very true. We're too late. *sheds tear*
The United Providences Of Perland
That is the root of all conservatism. Selfishness. They just find flowery ways to justify it.
Especially considering American money has no actual value besides what we think it does. I mean, I get ya gotta have money to exist at this point, but people who go this far are illogical.
TY
I tried to go further and find the physical cost to build an M60A3 but it's a ghost tank by this point in terms of cost.
Hi can you please not say my boyfriend has Stockholm Syndrome when he's being caring about his fellow man?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?
Glad this conversation hasn't taken a nosedive like every other "debate" you people have here.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
WE ARE BORG.
SUBMIT AND LOWER YOUR SHIELDS.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
That's a new one.
"I like paying tax to help cancer patients."
"Bloody hell, are you mad? You love your statist captors!"
Who's the girl in your relationship
Is in on your government's soil; if the answer is yes, they do own it and are nice enough to let you use the land for a house. You take for granted democracy.
Did you just assume my gender? In all seriousness though, you don't know me and what I do. I am committed to helping other people but that doesn't mean that it is okay to force other people to do it
The United Providences Of Perland
I am sorry but it's true
You live in Iceland. The Icelandic government has legal jurisdiction over Iceland, ergo you are subject to its laws.
Deal with it.
The United Providences Of Perland
Nah dude, the state owns you and your land. If it didn't why can't you make your house part of, say, France? Because the state won't allow you. You're owned by the state until the day you can resist it. Which'll never come.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Well jee, if we had a choice of paying taxes what's the point e.e
Well actually. In Iceland, yes the state does own the land you live on.
Where I live the land I live on is owned by the tribe, and the state. The Federal government can get rekt. As far as the tribe and state are concerned my property is mine. I pay taxes on it.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h-BhtK85aYY
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
What the f$ is going on that there are more than 150 RMB post within an hour ??
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
dude doesn't like paying taxes. Everyone else thinks he shouldn't worry about it because he obviously isn't old enough to pay them yet.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
So you are basically declaring that there are no property rights without government (i) and that the government can decide who owns what(ii)? Imagine that you travel to a remote region outside any governments jurisdiction, where you find a hermit living off the land. The hermit hunts with a spear of his own making, which you find interesting. You decide (without the hermits consent) to take the spear with you when you leave. It would seem correct to say that you stole the spear. This shows the implausibility of (i). Next, imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your masters consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your masters rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your masters moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).
lol reading the posts on the RMB here are priceless.
Jaslandia, Yukona
You are literally making scenarios up at this point. The government does not come and take you spear. It charges you a little bit of your money to be used for services that you have admitted to using. Anyone who tries to say they do not use public services at all is a liar. I will say it to their faces.
Jaslandia
Neil Young man, c'mon
First taxes were like rape, racism and assault. Now it's slavery.
Calm down, dear.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
This is a personal question and I will not answer it.
Nah but really, it's a little too personal to answer so I'll instead say that he's the sweetest guy ever and even brought up the promise ring to give to me. < 3
I see. In that case then I don't think I have grounds to really debate with you anymore tbh.
Can everyone just end this argument since clearly this guy is deadset on his beliefs like a dead doornail?
Like Tse said:
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
Taxes are the way of paying for use of the nations land. You don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be able to use the land. While a nation is just a collective group of people, those people each own a sliver of each other, you don't pay dues, you don't get land.
Nuremgard
It doesn't matter if they use public services or not, especially not if they are forced to do so. The use of government services might imply agreement to pay for those services,if people who didn't use the services were not required to pay. But in fact, the government forces citizens to pay taxes regardless of whether they use government services or not, and how much they use them. Therefore, the fact that you use government services does not indicate anything about whether you agree to pay taxes.
We win. :D
There is no girl in their relationship as they are two men. But I know what you're getting at and it's a dick move. Their sex life is none of your business.
The United Providences Of Perland
It's true though
We win.
The United Providences Of Perland
Only in your fevered, rightist imagination.
The United Providences Of Perland
Again, the government can't decide who owns what (ii). Imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your masters consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your masters rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your masters moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).
Woah woah chill it home-skillet.
Ain't no offense was taken here, I deflected it with some of my casual tomfoolery with Tim.
WE WIN
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
I can't believe you like the cheese eating surrender monkeys. As a German, I find it offensive that a Germanic individual has any sort of admiration for the Franks!
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
It has its inefficiencies and problems, but we try our best to deliver universal healthcare. A lot of people take the mick and abuse the system, which infuriates me, but with an ageing population and large growth rate, we do best with what we have.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
I still found it to be a stupid and invasive question.
Whiskey-Echo Whiskey-India-November
The United Providences Of Perland
My end for this, sad, debate is that I kinda enjoy free education up to the end of high school, police to make sure I don't get murdered, fire fighters so I don't die or lose anything, a military to defend my nation, and cool sh!t like NASA.
How am I Germanic? lol
I enjoy free education up to university level since, you know, I'm going in September. :P
The United Providences Of Perland
You're Scottish, yeah?
Then go with the other commies, build your own little commune and stop forcing us to pay the government our money
Yes lol
Lex Caledonia
Well trading in 20 g for MURICA, F*CK YEAH, is worth it to me LOL
That's alright, I just don't really mind the questions since I get to choose my response :P
'Sides, if I didn't find it at least kinda fun to talk about myself, I wouldn't have been one of the founding members of DaD
Prove The Military Should Be Kalaronian In Nature :D
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
This is the best part.
Then go with the other selfish scrooges, build your own little commune and stop leeching off of the taxes the rest of us pay.
Nuremgard, Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland
I think you're all nice people.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Peoples Liberation Republic, Andromitus, Yukona
You can still pay the government your money, unlike in the scenario that you just posted. Idiot
I may be going in October or September depending on my results come August 17th
either way it's still 9 grand
Nuremgard, Yukona
I dunno if it's the correct term, but are you a Lowland Scot?
Nuremgard
TY.
You're pretty OK youself, buster.
Are my social skills showing yet? :P
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
Christ, learn something new everyday
Nuremgard
Woah! That was savage for you, Rev!
We love you too, Lex. Alba gu bràth!
The United Providences Of Perland
Tse is no idiot my good sir.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
You can still not pay the government your money in the scenario I just posted. Friend.
The United Providences Of Perland
What uni, I'll drop on in, you can stay at mine and we can have slumber parties
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland
That's not a thing you should say.
Personal insults are a step too far.
Jaslandia, Auxorii, The United Providences Of Perland
The libertarian and conservative stance isn't that taxes are immoral. Taxes are necessary and beneficial to the nation (when used the right way). The answer to the dilemma of taxes according to Penn Jillette is, don't use taxes for things you wouldn't use violence for.
I would use violence to stop a rape, to stop a murder, to save a life, etcetera
I wouldn't use violence to build a library, to pay for someone's college tuition, etcetera.
The United Providences Of Perland
XD
England should abolish tuition fees. You are the only part of the UK that has them. I find that scandalous.
That is correct. Glasgow born and bred.
I'm proud to come from my wee country, what can I say?
The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Hey, cut it out with the insults.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Kalaron
No? In a libertarian society nobody is forced to pay any income tax to the government but those that want to still can. In your little commie socialist whatever society that's not the case
TY Mag.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Magnatronia
I think your nice too, its always good to remember that we're all people under our blatant ideological differences
Did they take you seriously, thats not smart, don't take this dood seriously
Magnatronia
Aha! You're Germanic. You just proved it yourself.
Modern Germanic peoples include the Afrikaners, Austrians, Danes, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisians, Germans, Icelanders, Lowland Scots, Norwegians, and Swedes.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Andromitus
I'm not going to know that until August too but hopefully Durham
*Waves magic calming wand furiously*
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, The United Providences Of Perland, Magnatronia
I wouldn't, so you can go and pay your voluntary taxes. I don't really give a sh!t about what an obese magician is telling us to do
Fair enough lol
That's a little utopic, no?
Jaslandia, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland
Wrong. Most of the women in Iceland are celtic
How is paying a tax communism wtf
If taxes become voluntary then they cease to be taxes. ;)
The United Providences Of Perland
And by the Law of Erbfeindschaft, you are compelled to have an irrational dislike for Franks!
Nuremgard
No I don't think it is. There are already countries with no income tax and the US didn't always have it
Penn actually lost a ton of weight, you should check him out lately instead of being rude and hurling i sults. Voluntary taxes? If it was voluntary nobody would pay them..
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland
Good
Yes, but they have other kinds of taxes. Sales, property, etcetera
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland
See?? This guy gets it!
You're welcome, babe.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton
Yes? Because you use those services funded by taxes as you admitted earlier. Everyone does. Everyone. Anyone who says they do not is a liar plain and simple. I can do silly analogies too.
If you want a cheeseburger do you walk into the store and just take it? Isn't it theft that they expect you to pay for this service? I guess you should only have to pay if you want to then, despite having partaken even if only minimally in the cheeseburger.
Nuremgard
We still HAD taxes before that lol
Nuremgard
Then why the hell should we have them if nobody wants them? I though you were in favour of democracy
France and Scotland are old buddies. I am simply feeling the love my ancestors did for their European brothers. :)
Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland
Already explained this to him but he says they're all "wrong."
Actually, not everyone does. Like, no one in countries where utilities have been privatized
^^^[I]False Germanic Tribesman^^^
*Obligatory /s*
Sits and watches from across the ocean on my red, white, and blue high horse*
I want emergency services available, I want a national military, etcetera. Therefore, we tax so we can have those things. You're giving a small percentage of your paycheck in order to keep up thoser services that are provided to everyone. Including you.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
So we win.
Be careful not to get too high. The air is thinner and goes to your head.
The United Providences Of Perland
Oi, if that's what this guy is saying, he's more communist than he thinks he is.
Auxorii, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland
We've tried explaining this to him, he just wants no taxes, period. No matter the detriment it would cause.
Tserra
Well, I think we should privatize emergency services and Iceland doesn't even have a military
He forgets other people pay tax too. But it's all about MEEEEEE with him.
Tserra
Because it doesn't matter how beneficial they are, taxes are still wrong. period.
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