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Nuremgard wrote:As George Carlin said, once they're out the womb, they're on their own!

https://youtu.be/2Iwvu-j7BuY

https://youtu.be/FRZje7Le-H4

Percyton wrote:In preparation for my Q&A this week, I've put together of Factbook of some the more obvious questions, and questions which I've already been asked. All future Q&As will also go into the Factbook, and you're still free to ask for more information about a given question at any time.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=percyton/detail=factbook/id=849882

Very intriguing...

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Yukona wrote:I've been away boys don't panic I'll get everything sorted tonight

*Puts away panic bag*

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:*Puts away panic bag*

I had my handy towel and hitchhiker's guide, so no worries here.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Merlinton, Russkov Soviet, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Indeed. Welcome to the region, Clemodecralia!

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

HEY! Glad to see you again!! WELCOME!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Welcome to the CFN, Clemodecralia! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Hello and Welcome! I'm Andromitus, but you can call me Andy. I believe I recognize you from the ESU? Regardless, feel free to contact me if you have any questions or are in need of mentorship :D

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Clem!!! Welcome to the CoFN!

Yes, there are too many ESUers here to name them all! We've slowly infiltrated and now we make up a good portion of the region :)

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Russkov Soviet, Axeldonia, Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica

"Well I kept on agitatin', because what else can you do?

Are you gonna let the sonsabitches walk all over you?

My neighbor said "You'll get fired, hangin' with that commie mob!"

I should be so lucky buddy, I ain't got a job!

Oh, you ain't done nothin' if you ain't been called a Red,

If you're organizing your workplace, then you're bound to hear it said,

So you might as well ignore it, or love the words instead,

Cuz you ain't been doin' nothin' if you ain't been called a Red!"

^Musical gold right here

Vista Major wrote:*eye twitch*

Love ya too boo!

Penguania And Antarctica

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

Indeed so. You've come just in time for a new era.

Friedensreich wrote:Love ya too boo!

Die <3

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Die <3

Meseeks can't die until they fulfill what they're told to do :P

Andromitus wrote:*Puts away panic bag*

Now you're putting too much faith in me, everybody panic!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

[nation=short]Vista_Major[/nation]

I'll reply to that later today :P

Hi guys, I just responded to the Right to Life emissary and just thought I'd give you all the low down since my major election policy is complete transparency and honesty with the residents. As you all know, I feel very strongly that this region must be inclusive to a myriad and range of ideologies and people, therefore we cannot prioritise - for example - a wholly communist alliance when many (a majority or not) are not even socialists. The same goes for this situation, I feel like whilst some residents may like the idea of pro-life and conservatism, it does not suit our nation as a whole. If the region was not as militaristic as it was, i.e. spreading its beliefs to unwanted places and trying to gain influence and leverage in foreign lands, then I wouldn't have a problem with that as we could peacefully co-exist; however, this all spells a big no on my note book.

Regardless, to simply inform you all, I have bounced a telegram their way asking them why they want formal relations. I am still getting used to the post and have little idea what I'm doing in terms of literal things, however I feel confident that the outcome will be one that is both satisfying and fair for us all. I will not be taking this decision wholly alone and will ensure that you are all appropriately involved as much as I can. (I have also looked at the concerns that were mentioned in the RMB earlier today - or yesterday, for that matter - and they have been duely noted).

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Clemodecralia wrote:Hello I heard that plenty of former ESU citizens resided here

AH YES Clem good to see you mate!

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Hi guys, I just responded to the Right to Life emissary and just thought I'd give you all the low down since my major election policy is complete transparency and honesty with the residents. As you all know, I feel very strongly that this region must be inclusive to a myriad and range of ideologies and people, therefore we cannot prioritise - for example - a wholly communist alliance when many (a majority or not) are not even socialists. The same goes for this situation, I feel like whilst some residents may like the idea of pro-life and conservatism, it does not suit our nation as a whole. If the region was not as militaristic as it was, i.e. spreading its beliefs to unwanted places and trying to gain influence and leverage in foreign lands, then I wouldn't have a problem with that as we could peacefully co-exist; however, this all spells a big no on my note book.

Regardless, to simply inform you all, I have bounced a telegram their way asking them why they want formal relations. I am still getting used to the post and have little idea what I'm doing in terms of literal things, however I feel confident that the outcome will be one that is both satisfying and fair for us all. I will not be taking this decision wholly alone and will ensure that you are all appropriately involved as much as I can. (I have also looked at the concerns that were mentioned in the RMB earlier today - or yesterday, for that matter - and they have been duely noted).

Honestly, all regions centered solely on one conservative or liberal topic tend to be nothing but extremists.

Friedensreich

Lol just had a glance at the Right to Life RMB and a nation there, with a lot of likes, is moaning about the "bad press" the Vatican is getting because of their offer to keep Charlie Gard on life support, as well as a priest who had a drug-fueled gay orgy. According to the poster, he must be made a very public example of!

Lol, they are all such nutters. Love how he's worried about the bad press of an orgy and not the bad press from all the kidde fiddling going on in the Catholic Church.

Friedensreich, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

[spoiler=Today is July 6 and today are:]

Today is July 6 and today are:

- San Fermín (Pamplona, Spain)

- Day of the Capital (Kazakhstan)

- Independence Day (Comoros)

- Independence Day (Malawi)

- International Kissing Day

- Jan Hus Day (Czech Republic)

- Kupala Night (Belarus, Poland, Russia,Ukraine)

- National Fried Chicken Day (United States)

- Statehood Day (Lithuania)

- Take Your Webmaster To Lunch Day

- Teachers' Day (Peru)

- Umbrella Cover Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 371 BC – The Battle of Leuctra, where Epaminondas defeated Cleombrotus I, takes place

- 640 – Battle of Heliopolis: The Muslim Arab army under 'Amr ibn al-'As defeat the Byzantine forces near Heliopolis (Egypt).

- 1044 – The Battle of Ménfő between troops led by Emperor Henry III and Magyar forces led by Samuel Aba, King of Hungary, takes place.

- 1189 – Richard I "the Lionheart" accedes to the English throne.

- 1253 – Mindaugas is crowned King of Lithuania.

- 1348 – Pope Clement VI issues a papal bull protecting the Jews accused of having caused the Black Death.

- 1411 – Ming China's Admiral Zheng He returns to Nanjing after the third treasure voyage and presents the Sinhalese king, captured during the Ming–Kotte War, to the Yongle Emperor.

- 1415 – Jan Hus is condemned as a heretic and then burned at the stake.

- 1483 – Richard III is crowned King of England.

- 1484 – Portuguese sea captain Diogo Cão finds the mouth of the Congo River.

- 1495 – First Italian War: Battle of Fornovo: Charles VIII defeats the Holy League.

- 1535 – Sir Thomas More is executed for treason against King Henry VIII of England.

- 1557 – King Philip II of Spain, consort of Queen Mary I of England, sets out from Dover to war with France, which eventually resulted in the loss of the City of Calais, the last English possession on the continent, and Mary I never seeing her husband again.

- 1560 – The Treaty of Edinburgh is signed by Scotland and England.

- 1573 – Córdoba, Argentina, is founded by Jerónimo Luis de Cabrera.

- 1573 – French Wars of Religion: Siege of La Rochelle ends.

- 1614 – Żejtun and the surrounding villages suffer a raid from Ottoman forces. This was the last unsuccessful attempt by the Ottomans to conquer the island of Malta.

- 1630 – Thirty Years' War: Four thousand Swedish troops under Gustavus Adolphus land in Pomerania, Germany.

- 1685 – Battle of Sedgemoor: Last battle of the Monmouth Rebellion. troops of King James II defeat troops of James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth.

- 1751 – Pope Benedict XIV suppresses the Patriarchate of Aquileia and establishes from its territory the Archdiocese of Udine and Gorizia.

- 1777 – American Revolutionary War: Siege of Fort Ticonderoga: After a bombardment by British artillery under General John Burgoyne, American forces retreat from Fort Ticonderoga, New York.

- 1779 – Battle of Grenada: The French defeat British naval forces during the American Revolutionary War.

- 1801 – First Battle of Algeciras: Outnumbered French Navy ships defeat the Royal Navy in the fortified Spanish port of Algeciras.

- 1809 – The second day of the Battle of Wagram; France defeats the Austrian army in the largest battle to date of the Napoleonic Wars.

- 1854 – In Jackson, Michigan, the first convention of the United States Republican Party is held.

- 1865 – The first issue of The Nation magazine is published.

- 1885 – Louis Pasteur successfully tests his vaccine against rabies on Joseph Meister, a boy who was bitten by a rabid dog.

- 1887 – David Kalākaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced to sign the Bayonet Constitution, which transfers much of the king's authority to the Legislature of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

- 1892 – Dadabhai Naoroji is elected as the first Indian Member of Parliament in Britain.

- 1892 – Three thousand eight hundred striking steelworkers engage in a day-long battle with Pinkerton agents during the Homestead Strike, leaving ten dead and dozens wounded.

- 1917 – World War I: Arabian troops led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Auda ibu Tayi capture Aqaba from the Ottoman Empire during the Arab Revolt.

- 1919 – The British dirigible R34 lands in New York, completing the first crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by an airship.

- 1933 – The first Major League Baseball All-Star Game is played in Chicago's Comiskey Park. The American League defeated the National League 4–2.

- 1936 – A major breach of the Manchester Bolton & Bury Canal in England sends millions of gallons of water cascading 200 feet (61 m) into the River Irwell.

- 1937 – Spanish Civil War: Battle of Brunete: The battle begins with Spanish Republican troops going on the offensive against the Nationalists to relieve pressure on Madrid.

- 1939 – Holocaust: The last remaining Jewish enterprises in Germany are closed.

- 1940 – Story Bridge, a major landmark in Brisbane, as well as Australia's longest cantilever bridge is formally opened.

- 1941 – Nazi Germany launches its offensive to encircle several Soviet armies near Smolensk.

- 1942 – Anne Frank and her family go into hiding in the "Secret Annexe" above her father's office in an Amsterdam warehouse.

- 1944 – Jackie Robinson refuses to move to the back of a bus, leading to a court-martial.

- 1944 – The Hartford circus fire, one of America's worst fire disasters, kills approximately 168 people and injures over 700 in Hartford, Connecticut.

- 1947 – The AK-47 goes into production in the Soviet Union.

- 1957 – Althea Gibson wins the Wimbledon championships, becoming the first black athlete to do so.

- 1957 – John Lennon and Paul McCartney meet for the first time, as teenagers at Woolton Fete, three years before forming the Beatles.

- 1962 – As a part of Operation Plowshare, the Sedan nuclear test takes place.

- 1962 – The Late Late Show, the world's longest-running chat show by the same broadcaster, airs on RTÉ One for the first time.

- 1964 – Malawi declares its independence from the United Kingdom.

- 1966 – Malawi becomes a republic, with Hastings Banda as its first President.

- 1967 – Nigerian Civil War: Nigerian forces invade Biafra, beginning the war.

- 1975 – The Comoros declares independence from France.

- 1986 – Davis Phinney becomes the first American cyclist to win a road stage of the Tour de France.

- 1988 – The Piper Alpha drilling platform in the North Sea is destroyed by explosions and fires. One hundred sixty-seven oil workers are killed, making it the world's worst offshore oil disaster in terms of direct loss of life.

- 1989 – The Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack: Fourteen bus passengers are killed when an Arab assaulted the bus driver as the bus was driving by the edge of a cliff.

- 1990 – The Electronic Frontier Foundation is founded.

- 1995 – In the Bosnian War, under the command of General Ratko Mladić, Serbia begins its attack on the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.

- 1997 – The Troubles: In response to the Drumcree dispute, five days of mass protests, riots and gun battles begin in Irish nationalist districts of Northern Ireland.

- 1998 – Hong Kong International Airport opens in Chek Lap Kok, Hong Kong, replacing Kai Tak Airport as the city's international airport.

- 1999 – U.S. Army private Barry Winchell dies from baseball-bat injuries inflicted on him in his sleep the previous day by a fellow soldier, Calvin Glover, for his relationship with transgender showgirl and former Navy Corpsman Calpernia Addams.

- 2003 – The 70-metre Yevpatoria Planetary Radar sends a METI message (Cosmic Call 2) to five stars: Hip 4872, HD 245409, 55 Cancri (HD 75732), HD 10307 and 47 Ursae Majoris (HD 95128). The messages will arrive to these stars in 2036, 2040, 2044, and 2049, respectively.

- 2006 – The Nathu La pass between India and China, sealed during the Sino-Indian War, re-opens for trade after 44 years.

- 2013 – At least 42 people are killed in a shooting at a school in Yobe State, Nigeria.

- 2013 – A Boeing 777 operating as Asiana Airlines Flight 214 crashes at San Francisco International Airport, killing three and injuring 181 of the 307 people on board.

- 2013 – A 73-car oil train derails in the town of Lac-Mégantic, Quebec and explodes into flames, killing at least 47 people and destroying more than 30 buildings in the town's central area.

- 2016 – The Iraq Inquiry is published after seven years by Sir John Chilcot; it publicises the critique of Tony Blair and his decision to go ahead with the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1781 – Stamford Raffles, English politician, founded Singapore

- 1818 – Adolf Anderssen, German chess player

- 1859 – Verner von Heidenstam, Swedish poet and author, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1887 – Annette Kellerman, Australian swimmer and actress

- 1887 – Marc Chagall, Belarusian-French painter and poet

- 1898 – Hanns Eisler, German-Austrian soldier and composer

- 1907 – Frida Kahlo, Mexican painter and educator

- 1907 – George Stanley, Canadian soldier, historian, and author, designed the flag of Canada

- 1912 – Heinrich Harrer, Austrian geographer and mountaineer

- 1917 – Arthur Lydiard, New Zealand runner and coach

- 1921 – Nancy Reagan, American actress and activist, 42nd First Lady of the United States

- 1925 – Bill Haley, American singer-songwriter and guitarist (Bill Haley & His Comets)

- 1935 – Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama

- 1946 – Sylvester Stallone, American actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1946 – George W. Bush, American businessman and politician, 43rd President of the United States

- 1951 – Geoffrey Rush, Australian actor and producer

- 1967 – Heather Nova, Bermudian singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1975 – 50 Cent, American rapper, producer, and actor (G-Unit)

- 1980 – Eva Green, French actress and model

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

One thing you can’t recycle is wasted time.

- Harold V. Melchert -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:[spoiler=Today is July 6 and today are:]

Today is July 6 and today are:

- San Fermín (Pamplona, Spain)

- Day of the Capital (Kazakhstan)

- Independence Day (Comoros)

- Independence Day (Malawi)

- International Kissing Day

- Jan Hus Day (Czech Republic)

- Kupala Night (Belarus, Poland, Russia,Ukraine)

- National Fried Chicken Day (United States)

- Statehood Day (Lithuania)

- Take Your Webmaster To Lunch Day

- Teachers' Day (Peru)

- Umbrella Cover Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 371 BC – The Battle of Leuctra, where Epaminondas defeated Cleombrotus I, takes place

- 640 – Battle of Heliopolis: The Muslim Arab army under 'Amr ibn al-'As defeat the Byzantine forces near Heliopolis (Egypt).

- 1044 – The Battle of Ménfő between troops led by Emperor Henry III and Magyar forces led by Samuel Aba, King of Hungary, takes place.

- 1189 – Richard I "the Lionheart" accedes to the English throne.

- 1253 – Mindaugas is crowned King of Lithuania.

- 1348 – Pope Clement VI issues a papal bull protecting the Jews accused of having caused the Black Death.

- 1411 – Ming China's Admiral Zheng He returns to Nanjing after the third treasure voyage and presents the Sinhalese king, captured during the Ming–Kotte War, to the Yongle Emperor.

- 1415 – Jan Hus is condemned as a heretic and then burned at the stake.

- 1483 – Richard III is crowned King of England.

- 1484 – Portuguese sea captain Diogo Cão finds the mouth of the Congo River.

- 1495 – First Italian War: Battle of Fornovo: Charles VIII defeats the Holy League.

- 1535 – Sir Thomas More is executed for treason against King Henry VIII of England.

- 1557 – King Philip II of Spain, consort of Queen Mary I of England, sets out from Dover to war with France, which eventually resulted in the loss of the City of Calais, the last English possession on the continent, and Mary I never seeing her husband again.

- 1560 – The Treaty of Edinburgh is signed by Scotland and England.

- 1573 – Córdoba, Argentina, is founded by Jerónimo Luis de Cabrera.

- 1573 – French Wars of Religion: Siege of La Rochelle ends.

- 1614 – Żejtun and the surrounding villages suffer a raid from Ottoman forces. This was the last unsuccessful attempt by the Ottomans to conquer the island of Malta.

- 1630 – Thirty Years' War: Four thousand Swedish troops under Gustavus Adolphus land in Pomerania, Germany.

- 1685 – Battle of Sedgemoor: Last battle of the Monmouth Rebellion. troops of King James II defeat troops of James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth.

- 1751 – Pope Benedict XIV suppresses the Patriarchate of Aquileia and establishes from its territory the Archdiocese of Udine and Gorizia.

- 1777 – American Revolutionary War: Siege of Fort Ticonderoga: After a bombardment by British artillery under General John Burgoyne, American forces retreat from Fort Ticonderoga, New York.

- 1779 – Battle of Grenada: The French defeat British naval forces during the American Revolutionary War.

- 1801 – First Battle of Algeciras: Outnumbered French Navy ships defeat the Royal Navy in the fortified Spanish port of Algeciras.

- 1809 – The second day of the Battle of Wagram; France defeats the Austrian army in the largest battle to date of the Napoleonic Wars.

- 1854 – In Jackson, Michigan, the first convention of the United States Republican Party is held.

- 1865 – The first issue of The Nation magazine is published.

- 1885 – Louis Pasteur successfully tests his vaccine against rabies on Joseph Meister, a boy who was bitten by a rabid dog.

- 1887 – David Kalākaua, monarch of the Kingdom of Hawaii, is forced to sign the Bayonet Constitution, which transfers much of the king's authority to the Legislature of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

- 1892 – Dadabhai Naoroji is elected as the first Indian Member of Parliament in Britain.

- 1892 – Three thousand eight hundred striking steelworkers engage in a day-long battle with Pinkerton agents during the Homestead Strike, leaving ten dead and dozens wounded.

- 1917 – World War I: Arabian troops led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Auda ibu Tayi capture Aqaba from the Ottoman Empire during the Arab Revolt.

- 1919 – The British dirigible R34 lands in New York, completing the first crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by an airship.

- 1933 – The first Major League Baseball All-Star Game is played in Chicago's Comiskey Park. The American League defeated the National League 4–2.

- 1936 – A major breach of the Manchester Bolton & Bury Canal in England sends millions of gallons of water cascading 200 feet (61 m) into the River Irwell.

- 1937 – Spanish Civil War: Battle of Brunete: The battle begins with Spanish Republican troops going on the offensive against the Nationalists to relieve pressure on Madrid.

- 1939 – Holocaust: The last remaining Jewish enterprises in Germany are closed.

- 1940 – Story Bridge, a major landmark in Brisbane, as well as Australia's longest cantilever bridge is formally opened.

- 1941 – Nazi Germany launches its offensive to encircle several Soviet armies near Smolensk.

- 1942 – Anne Frank and her family go into hiding in the "Secret Annexe" above her father's office in an Amsterdam warehouse.

- 1944 – Jackie Robinson refuses to move to the back of a bus, leading to a court-martial.

- 1944 – The Hartford circus fire, one of America's worst fire disasters, kills approximately 168 people and injures over 700 in Hartford, Connecticut.

- 1947 – The AK-47 goes into production in the Soviet Union.

- 1957 – Althea Gibson wins the Wimbledon championships, becoming the first black athlete to do so.

- 1957 – John Lennon and Paul McCartney meet for the first time, as teenagers at Woolton Fete, three years before forming the Beatles.

- 1962 – As a part of Operation Plowshare, the Sedan nuclear test takes place.

- 1962 – The Late Late Show, the world's longest-running chat show by the same broadcaster, airs on RTÉ One for the first time.

- 1964 – Malawi declares its independence from the United Kingdom.

- 1966 – Malawi becomes a republic, with Hastings Banda as its first President.

- 1967 – Nigerian Civil War: Nigerian forces invade Biafra, beginning the war.

- 1975 – The Comoros declares independence from France.

- 1986 – Davis Phinney becomes the first American cyclist to win a road stage of the Tour de France.

- 1988 – The Piper Alpha drilling platform in the North Sea is destroyed by explosions and fires. One hundred sixty-seven oil workers are killed, making it the world's worst offshore oil disaster in terms of direct loss of life.

- 1989 – The Tel Aviv–Jerusalem bus 405 suicide attack: Fourteen bus passengers are killed when an Arab assaulted the bus driver as the bus was driving by the edge of a cliff.

- 1990 – The Electronic Frontier Foundation is founded.

- 1995 – In the Bosnian War, under the command of General Ratko Mladić, Serbia begins its attack on the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.

- 1997 – The Troubles: In response to the Drumcree dispute, five days of mass protests, riots and gun battles begin in Irish nationalist districts of Northern Ireland.

- 1998 – Hong Kong International Airport opens in Chek Lap Kok, Hong Kong, replacing Kai Tak Airport as the city's international airport.

- 1999 – U.S. Army private Barry Winchell dies from baseball-bat injuries inflicted on him in his sleep the previous day by a fellow soldier, Calvin Glover, for his relationship with transgender showgirl and former Navy Corpsman Calpernia Addams.

- 2003 – The 70-metre Yevpatoria Planetary Radar sends a METI message (Cosmic Call 2) to five stars: Hip 4872, HD 245409, 55 Cancri (HD 75732), HD 10307 and 47 Ursae Majoris (HD 95128). The messages will arrive to these stars in 2036, 2040, 2044, and 2049, respectively.

- 2006 – The Nathu La pass between India and China, sealed during the Sino-Indian War, re-opens for trade after 44 years.

- 2013 – At least 42 people are killed in a shooting at a school in Yobe State, Nigeria.

- 2013 – A Boeing 777 operating as Asiana Airlines Flight 214 crashes at San Francisco International Airport, killing three and injuring 181 of the 307 people on board.

- 2013 – A 73-car oil train derails in the town of Lac-Mégantic, Quebec and explodes into flames, killing at least 47 people and destroying more than 30 buildings in the town's central area.

- 2016 – The Iraq Inquiry is published after seven years by Sir John Chilcot; it publicises the critique of Tony Blair and his decision to go ahead with the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1781 – Stamford Raffles, English politician, founded Singapore

- 1818 – Adolf Anderssen, German chess player

- 1859 – Verner von Heidenstam, Swedish poet and author, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1887 – Annette Kellerman, Australian swimmer and actress

- 1887 – Marc Chagall, Belarusian-French painter and poet

- 1898 – Hanns Eisler, German-Austrian soldier and composer

- 1907 – Frida Kahlo, Mexican painter and educator

- 1907 – George Stanley, Canadian soldier, historian, and author, designed the flag of Canada

- 1912 – Heinrich Harrer, Austrian geographer and mountaineer

- 1917 – Arthur Lydiard, New Zealand runner and coach

- 1921 – Nancy Reagan, American actress and activist, 42nd First Lady of the United States

- 1925 – Bill Haley, American singer-songwriter and guitarist (Bill Haley & His Comets)

- 1935 – Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama

- 1946 – Sylvester Stallone, American actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1946 – George W. Bush, American businessman and politician, 43rd President of the United States

- 1951 – Geoffrey Rush, Australian actor and producer

- 1967 – Heather Nova, Bermudian singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1975 – 50 Cent, American rapper, producer, and actor (G-Unit)

- 1980 – Eva Green, French actress and model

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

One thing you can’t recycle is wasted time.

- Harold V. Melchert -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Fried Chicken eh? Looks like I'm going to KFC today.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista.

Following up on Unf's request from yesterday that your constitution proposal be removed from The New Constitution link on the WFE so as not to bias, mislead, or confuse voters during this second referendum, I do not believe putting it behind a spoiler is sufficient. People can click those, dude, and "N/A" doesn't sufficiently explain the situation.

Further, you proposal is still declared the winner on the Elections and Referendum link on the WFE.

Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

Perland has reached three billion people!

Nuremgard, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Perland has reached three billion people!

And your government taxes each one at 90%. It must be raking it in!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:And your government taxes each one at 90%. It must be raking it in!

Oh yes. I did the math, I spend close to 15 trillion on defense lol

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Oh yes. I did the math, I spend close to 15 trillion on defense lol

Education not defense* And after checking NSeconomy it puts my education budget over 19 trillion

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Oh yes. I did the math, I spend close to 15 trillion on defense lol

I dunno how much I spend. Not much lol but I don't need to.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I dunno how much I spend. Not much lol but I don't need to.

Perland likes nukes

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Perland likes nukes

Nuremgard does not.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The Federal Democracy of Vista Major

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Seems appropriate

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Education not defense* And after checking NSeconomy it puts my education budget over 19 trillion

Good man. Education is key.

Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Good man. Education is key.

>has 64 tril edu budget

Get wrecked.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:>has 64 tril edu budget

Get wrecked.

Fight me

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Fight me

https://twitter.com/VistaMajorGov/status/876964335947567106

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Vista Major wrote:The Federal Democracy of Vista Major

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Seems appropriate

Left-wing Utopia

Bîtch

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Left-wing Utopia

Bîtch

Scandinavian Liberal Paradise Normal

Hmph

Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Left-wing Utopia

Bîtch

Same

Andromitus

I encourage everyone to vote for Unf's constitutional proposal.

A good mix of tried and true methods, and sensible reforms.

Vote for an equal, elected judiciary. Vote for role play independence. Vote for constitutionally defined executive roles. Vote for a judiciary that is not also police officer, investigator, and prosecutor.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Perland likes nukes

Nuremgard wrote:Nuremgard does not.

I only carry Nuclear WMD's purely as a last resort. I've only fired 2 in actual warfare, and tested maybe 8.

(Our development program has revived the Tsar Bomba...in both the 50 MT and 100 MT sizes....as well as plans for an 200 MT.)

I'm peaceful....more or less.

Nuremgard, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Nuremgard does not.

ChinaReich likes bioweapons.

Nuremgard

Russkov Soviet wrote:I only carry Nuclear WMD's purely as a last resort. I've only fired 2 in actual warfare, and tested maybe 8.

(Our development program has revived the Tsar Bomba...in both the 50 MT and 100 MT sizes....as well as plans for an 200 MT.)

I'm peaceful....more or less.

I will pay you many billions of Kounds Sullings to get some of those. And we've tested hundreds of nukes, maybe used six in combat?

Russkov Soviet

Russkov Soviet wrote:I only carry Nuclear WMD's purely as a last resort. I've only fired 2 in actual warfare, and tested maybe 8.

(Our development program has revived the Tsar Bomba...in both the 50 MT and 100 MT sizes....as well as plans for an 200 MT.)

I'm peaceful....more or less.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I will pay you many billions of Kounds Sullings to get some of those. And we've tested hundreds of nukes, maybe used six in combat?

Just know that WMDs are [I]not usable in RP.

Russkov Soviet, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I will pay you many billions of Kounds Sullings to get some of those. And we've tested hundreds of nukes, maybe used six in combat?

Hmmmm....... Instead of taking billions of your peoples hard-earned money.. I'll simply move a sizable military force into your territory. Once the armada arrives, a port or airfield will be constructed. This will serve as a trade depot between our nations. Once said depot is fully active, I'll see about transporting the nukes.

If the public and government protest to an "occupation force"....I'll think of a decent price.

Kalaron wrote:Just know that WMDs are [I]not usable in RP.

I wouldn't DREAM of it

Russkov Soviet wrote:I wouldn't DREAM of it

Yeah, this region has a pretty bad past with nukes.

It's pretty much impossible to have a war RP because the end result was typically nukes, and one point there was even just a random launch [Looks at Perland] that I actually calculated the nuclear content of when they got disarmed over the ocean. 96,000 pounds.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=23275403

Russkov Soviet, The United Providences Of Perland

Russkov Soviet wrote:Hmmmm....... Instead of taking billions of your peoples hard-earned money.. I'll simply move a sizable military force into your territory. Once the armada arrives, a port or airfield will be constructed. This will serve as a trade depot between our nations. Once said depot is fully active, I'll see about transporting the nukes.

If the public and government protest to an "occupation force"....I'll think of a decent price.

I'm sure the majority of the European continent would oppose that sort of thing....

Russkov Soviet

Kalaron wrote:Just know that WMDs are [I]not usable in RP.

I don't do any of our RPs because they blow. I do RPs with friends and we inevitably use them.

Friedensreich wrote:I'm sure the majority of the European continent would oppose that sort of thing....

Probably. Although powerful, my warhead design is very complex and expensive to make. I only have about 30 WMD's active. And 25 of those are set to be decommissioned/dismantled. I'm basically trading parts for nukes, but also occupying buyer nations in case I need to shut the trade down. In about a week or two.. I will have nearly ZERO nukes. (1 or 2 for emergencies)

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I don't do any of our RPs because they blow. I do RPs with friends and we inevitably use them.

Blow as in suck or blow as in "The Nukes blow"?

Quite honestly I really don't care which, though, since MT is pretty much predicated on the idea that random joeshmo doesn't fire his whole arsenal of nukes because Memeistan sneezed.

In a world of suspended disbelief, life thereafter would suck.

Beyond that, I personally disagree. Our RPs occasionally die down, but that's more because people RP outside the RP and wear themselves out doing it. Or an important member of it leaves it.

Kalaron wrote:Blow as in suck or blow as in "The Nukes blow"?

Quite honestly I really don't care which, though, since MT is pretty much predicated on the idea that random joeshmo doesn't fire his whole arsenal of nukes because Memeistan sneezed.

In a world of suspended disbelief, life thereafter would suck.

Beyond that, I personally disagree. Our RPs occasionally die down, but that's more because people RP outside the RP and wear themselves out doing it. Or an important member of it leaves it.

Blow as in low quality. It's annoying to get everything set up to get involved, they never last long, and there's always the two or three genocidal maniacs ruining it.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Blow as in low quality. It's annoying to get everything set up to get involved, they never last long, and there's always the two or three genocidal maniacs ruining it.

Sooooo......

A) State in the rules "no genocidal maniacs allowed", or.....

B) Learn to get used to it because politics and RPs especially will not always go the way you want them to go

The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Blow as in low quality. It's annoying to get everything set up to get involved, they never last long, and there's always the two or three genocidal maniacs ruining it.

Compared to two or three people firing bombs meant to be genocidal weapons?

But yeah, set up an OOC and vet who joins.

The United Providences Of Perland

Welp, I re-read Unf's constitution and I hate it a lot less. Still prefer Vista's but yeah. I won't be upset if it passes.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Welp, I re-read Unf's constitution and I hate it a lot less. Still prefer Vista's but yeah. I won't be upset if it passes.

Why do you prefer Vista's constitution proposal?

Friedensreich wrote:Why do you prefer Vista's constitution proposal?

I like the ability to edit legislation already proposed, I like how in it's bill of rights it defines and protects against harassment, I support keeping a SJ position, and I don't really like the constabulary as a bunch of individual people with powers in the region. So having the constabulary just being in the court.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I like the ability to edit legislation already proposed, I like how in it's bill of rights it defines and protects against harassment, I support keeping a SJ position, and I don't really like the constabulary as a bunch of individual people with powers in the region. So having the constabulary just being in the court.

Vista's most recent edits to his proposal (completed yesterday after voting had already opened) allows for appointed constables by the Minister of Justice and effectively makes the Judiciary equal, essentially abolishing the SJ position.

Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I like the ability to edit legislation already proposed, I like how in it's bill of rights it defines and protects against harassment, I support keeping a SJ position, and I don't really like the constabulary as a bunch of individual people with powers in the region. So having the constabulary just being in the court.

1) That dog's already been beaten enough, so I'm not going to bring that back up.

2) Unf's protects against harassment, as seen with:

"V. There shall be no emotionally cruel and unusual punishments inflicted by the region on any person in any circumstance."

3) The Constabulary is a de facto part of the government and the Ministry of Justice, not just a bunch of individual guys with power. You can see this being proven true via the following:

"The Constabulary is established as the law enforcement agency of the Confederacy. It reports chiefly to the Cabinet."

In addition to:

"....The Minister of Justice shall serve as the Chief Constable."

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Vista's most recent edits to his proposal (completed yesterday after voting had already opened) allows for appointed constables by the Minister of Justice and effectively makes the Judiciary equal, essentially abolishing the SJ position.

Edits after polling has started? Sounds illegal, mane.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Vista's most recent edits to his proposal (completed yesterday after voting had already opened) allows for appointed constables by the Minister of Justice and effectively makes the Judiciary equal, essentially abolishing the SJ position.

Well then, maybe that static thing is a good thing *face palms* uhhhh my life is a joke. I do like the harassment clause at the very least. Also, I dislike the cabinet having any power in stopping legislation in Unf's

Friedensreich wrote:Edits after polling has started? Sounds illegal, mane.

Unethical, not illegal. It'll be illegal if Unf's proposal wins. That way people know what they're voting for and won't be duped into supporting something in legislation that has since been edited out. As has been demonstrated this very moment.

Also, after claiming that Unf's proposal dictating the jurisdiction and authorities for members of the Executive made them too powerful as compared to the House, Vista added those two exact things to his own proposal.

Friedensreich

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Unethical, not illegal. It'll be illegal if Unf's proposal wins. That way people know what they're voting for and won't be duped into supporting something in legislation that has since been edited out. As has been demonstrated this very moment.

Also, after claiming that Unf's proposal dictating the jurisdiction and authorities for members of the Executive made them too powerful as compared to the House, Vista added those two exact things to his own proposal.

Technically, it won't. Unf's thing applies to legislation by definition, a referendum is not a legislation.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Technically, it won't. Unf's thing applies to legislation by definition, a referendum is not a legislation.

Plus, it isn't technically a "bill" which Unf's classifies as static upon proposal, not a non-bill document.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Well then, maybe that static thing is a good thing *face palms* uhhhh my life is a joke. I do like the harassment clause at the very least. Also, I dislike the cabinet having any power in stopping legislation in Unf's

Again, Cabinet doesn't have that power. It actually has the complete opposite. It can overrule the Chancellor's veto and allow legislation to continue its process into becoming law.

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The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Technically, it won't. Unf's thing applies to legislation by definition, a referendum is not a legislation.

A constitution is. It is constitutional law, as opposed to statute law.

So this is a referendum on a piece of legislation, and would most certainly apply.

Djo

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Again, Cabinet doesn't have that power. It actually has the complete opposite. It can overrule the Chancellor's veto and allow legislation to continue its process into becoming law.

I did indeed misread. But nonetheless, it isn't a cabinets job to have any position in a veto. Parliament should just be able to override it.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Unethical, not illegal. It'll be illegal if Unf's proposal wins. That way people know what they're voting for and won't be duped into supporting something in legislation that has since been edited out. As has been demonstrated this very moment.

Also, after claiming that Unf's proposal dictating the jurisdiction and authorities for members of the Executive made them too powerful as compared to the House, Vista added those two exact things to his own proposal.

I have my own gripes with Unf's constitution, but the fact under Vista's there is the possibility for riders to be put into a law as a sort of petty concession makes me prefer Unf's over his.

Plus, the elected judiciary and lack of a "supreme judge".

Continental Commonwealths wrote:A constitution is. It is constitutional law, as opposed to statute law.

So this is a referendum on a piece of legislation, and would most certainly apply.

Maybe so, but the constitution's possible aren't in bill format, nor in the capacity of one. Mind you, I still think it's unethical, but if Unf's passes, that won't apply to these situations unless you amend it as so.

Friedensreich wrote:I have my own gripes with Unf's constitution, but the fact under Vista's there is the possibility for riders to be put into a law as a sort of petty concession makes me prefer Unf's over his.

Plus, the elected judiciary and lack of a "supreme judge".

What do you mean by riders?

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I did indeed misread. But nonetheless, it isn't a cabinets job to have any position in a veto. Parliament should just be able to override it.

Cabinet, a group of 5 elected individuals, may overrule the decision of a single elected individual. This is a positive safeguard.

So too can the people overrule the Chancellor's veto by having the legislation brought to a referendum, which merely requires 5 citizens to ask for it. This is the same threshold of citizens needed to vote on legislation in Vista's proposal for any piece of legislation to pass, and is clearly a low, manageable threshold for the citizenry to reach so as to overrule a Chancellor's veto.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:What do you mean by riders?

Riders are edits to a bill during the debating and voting process that have little to do with the original document. Usually made as a concession to win over voters to the original document or to pass laws that would not pass on their own due to unpopularity.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Maybe so, but the constitution's possible aren't in bill format, nor in the capacity of one. Mind you, I still think it's unethical, but if Unf's passes, that won't apply to these situations unless you amend it as so.

That would be up for the determination of the Supreme Court to make. And I don't think your "it isn't structured like a bill" holds water against the time honoured understanding that constitutions are constitutional law and are therefore legislation.

Friedensreich wrote:Riders are edits to a bill during the debating and voting process that have little to do with the original document. Usually made as a concession to win over voters to the original document or to pass laws that would not pass on their own due to unpopularity.

Oh, so what the US congress does?

Jaslandia, Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Oh, so what the US congress does?

Yep. Any legislature on the planet can do it, but the biggest example is the US Congress.

With Unf's constitution, I see an effort to stop riders, which I believe are deceitful, and a tool that will enable unpopular laws to be passed.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:That would be up for the determination of the Supreme Court to make. And I don't think your "it isn't structured like a bill" holds water against the time honoured understanding that constitutions are constitutional law and are therefore legislation.

You realize for official legal documents like this, that wording makes it 100%? A court will rule as so, because that is what is written, and intended. If Unf wanted it to apply to all matters of this type, he should have been specific as so.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You realize for official legal documents like this, that wording makes it 100%? A court will rule as so, because that is what is written, and intended. If Unf wanted it to apply to all matters of this type, he should have been specific as so.

And you realize that for anything to alter this constitution once it is passed, an amendment will have to be introduced to Parliament which will make it a Bill of Parliament, and it will therefore 100% comply with Unf's proposal and the wording therein.

Right?

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You realize for official legal documents like this, that wording makes it 100%? A court will rule as so, because that is what is written, and intended. If Unf wanted it to apply to all matters of this type, he should have been specific as so.

Actually......... Constitutions are worded vaguely and ambiguously for the sole purpose of being interpreted.

You can see the US Constitution (of which Unf's constitution is extremely similar) being interpreted a bunch of different times in history. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 that ended segregation used a loose interpretation of the section of the US Constitution that discussed interstate commerce. And, of course, the 14th Amendment which also led to legalized gay marriage.

[quote=continental_commonwealths;26222262]And you realize that for anything to alter this constitution once it is passed, an amendment will have to be introduced to Parliament which will make it a Bill of Parliament, and it will therefore 100% comply with Unf's proposal and the wording therein.

An amendment is needed, but this isn't amending, it's entirely remaking, so that wouldn't apply here. I would however fully support and amendment to make that caluse apply to all proposals of which voting happens.

Friedensreich wrote:Actually......... Constitutions are worded vaguely and ambiguously for the sole purpose of being interpreted.

You can see the US Constitution (of which Unf's constitution is extremely similar) being interpreted a bunch of different times in history. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 that ended segregation used a loose interpretation of the section of the US Constitution that discussed interstate commerce. And, of course, the 14th Amendment which also led to legalized gay marriage.

And plus, I plan on running as a Justice if Unf's constitution wins. I'll accept appointment offers if Vista's wins though.

And this above philosophy about interpreting the Constitution as to just looking at it face value will be a huge part of my career as one.

Friedensreich wrote:Actually......... Constitutions are worded vaguely and ambiguously for the sole purpose of being interpreted.

You can see the US Constitution (of which Unf's constitution is extremely similar) being interpreted a bunch of different times in history. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 that ended segregation used a loose interpretation of the section of the US Constitution that discussed interstate commerce. And, of course, the 14th Amendment which also led to legalized gay marriage.

This, isn't really that loose. It's VERY straightforward, especially with procedures like bill proposal. You can't interpret it to what you please here because you want to *shrug* Like, that section is as straight as it goes, especially without even defining what a bill is.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:

An amendment is needed, but this isn't amending, it's entirely remaking, so that wouldn't apply here. I would however fully support and amendment to make that caluse apply to all proposals of which voting happens.

Are you entirely unaware of how we got to this point? By way of a motion in Parliament. Also, even if we are to take your interpretation, it would only apply if we once again were tearing down our constitution and trying to develop an entirely new one. The entire purpose of this process is that it won't be necessary to repeat it again.

And how can you say you would suppprt an amendment to make it applicable in all cases if you not a few minutes ago said that Vista's lack of any measure such as this is key reason why you're voting for his proposal?!

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:This, isn't really that loose. It's VERY straightforward, especially with procedures like bill proposal. You can't interpret it to what you please here because you want to *shrug* Like, that section is as straight as it goes, especially without even defining what a bill is.

Actually, I've shown you numerous times already where interpretation is necessary.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Are you entirely unaware of how we got to this point? By way of a motion in Parliament. Also, even if we are to take your interpretation, it would only apply if we once again were tearing down our constitution and trying to develop an entirely new one. The entire purpose of this process is that it won't be necessary to repeat it again.

And how can you say you would suppprt an amendment to make it applicable in all cases if you not a few minutes ago said that Vista's lack of any measure such as this is key reason why you're voting for his proposal?!

Because if it passes, I'm stuck with it. Might as well make it the best I can right?

Friedensreich wrote:Actually, I've shown you numerous times already where interpretation is necessary.

Honestly, I think constitutions should be taken at face value, and in RARE cases, what the founders intended via history. I don't believe courts should be able to bend it any damn way based on the time of the judge's views.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Because if it passes, I'm stuck with it. Might as well make it the best I can right?

By amending it in such a way as to be the polar opposite of what you are specifically voting for in Vista's proposal.

We can only pray that by the time your head stops spinning, it will be facing in the proper direction.

Constitution talk again ?

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Constitution talk again ?

Constitution rock!

*wicked air guitar solo*

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Honestly, I think constitutions should be taken at face value, and in RARE cases, what the founders intended via history. I don't believe courts should be able to bend it any damn way based on the time of the judge's views.

It's not "bending the constitution however the judge pleases" when you leave a constitution to interpretation, and that's a common misconception about loose constructionism.

I mean, you tell me; how should the Second Amendment of the US' constitution be read? It's a perfect example of why Constitutions are vague, and why interpretation of the document is necessary as opposed to just reading it face value.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:By amending it in such a way as to be the polar opposite of what you are specifically voting for in Vista's proposal.

We can only pray that by the time your head stops spinning, it will be facing in the proper direction.

I was given an example of how it is bad, therefore, ya know, not agreeing with it anymore AS I STATED, that in Vista's, especially after he decided to be a d!ck about it. And who defines what's proper, you? I find that when people say things like this, they believe they can do no wrong.

Friedensreich wrote:It's not "bending the constitution however the judge pleases" when you leave a constitution to interpretation, and that's a common misconception about loose constructionism.

I mean, you tell me; how should the Second Amendment of the US' constitution be read? It's a perfect example of why Constitutions are vague, and why interpretation of the document is necessary as opposed to just reading it face value.

It's read as the people have the right to own firearms in the event the government becomes tyrannical.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Constitution rock!

*wicked air guitar solo*

Why not blues ?

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I was given an example of how it is bad, therefore, ya know, not agreeing with it anymore AS I STATED, that in Vista's, especially after he decided to be a d!ck about it. And who defines what's proper, you? I find that when people say things like this, they believe they can do no wrong.

Proper, to me at the very least, would be that you stare down the front of your body once your head stops spinning.

That's what I mean by proper.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:It's read as the people have the right to own firearms in the event the government becomes tyrannical.

Nope. That's not what it says, mane.

The first few words of it say nothing about private ownership in the sense we see it today:

"A well regulated Militia....."

See: *Well regulated Militia*, not *Personal Owner*

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Why not blues ?

Have you ever heard blues? Because that's why not blues!

Apologies if you enjoy blues. It's just not my cup of tea.

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Nope. That's not what it says, mane.

The first few words of it say nothing about private ownership in the sense we see it today:

"A well regulated Militia....."

See: *Well regulated Militia*, not *Personal Owner*

I never said person, and this may surprise you, but it's people that own the guns of which the militia is formed:O

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I never said person, and this may surprise you, but it's people that own the guns of which the militia is formed:O

:O

But militia = group of people, not individual people!

What a concept, right?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Proper, to me at the very least, would be that you stare down the front of your body once your head stops spinning.

That's what I mean by proper.

Everyone should flip flop on and issue when evidence supports it as the opposite of what you thought it was. One shouldn't just stick to their position because they want to. Because that's ignorant and small minded.

Friedensreich wrote::O

But militia = group of people, not individual people!

What a concept, right?

Do you know what a militia is? It's when the government calls out citizens for defense of which they bring their firearms or the government provides them with so if needed.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Do you know what a militia is? It's when the government calls out citizens for defense of which they bring their firearms or the government provides them with so if needed.

Do you know what the difference is between a militia and a single guy?

Because your adamancy to try being snarky proves you don't.

Here's the definition of militia: "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."

Here's the definition of individual:

"1.

a single human being as distinct from a group, class, or family.

"boat trips for parties and individuals""

See: *as distinct from a group, class, or family*

See: *a single human being*

Second Amendment text: "A well regulated Militia....."

Militia shows up! Not individual! Omagosh! :OO

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