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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Eh, I've said multiple time's that I don't like fantasy.
Oelesa
Wow, he get's a nice warm burn and I'm left out here to die...
Have you heard of the high elves?
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, South Hyder
Have you heard of low elves?
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Yukona
Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Andromitus
Perhaps I should explain my political beliefs a bit-
I'm mostly a libertarian. I think every legislation should be answered with a solution that would provide more choice to the individual. I believe that the government should limit itself in the economy as much as possible and only intervene when it's absolutely necessary. Basically a classic conservative Republican, or a classical liberal. Let the free market run it's course, cut taxes and end subsidies.
I side with right wing populists on immigration and the refugee crisis, we should be protecting our border and these 11 million undocumented immigrants are driving down the wages for American workers.
I believe in free trade and support both NAFTA and TPP. I think the corporate tax rate should be cut to 0% and I think Trump's tarrifs ideas are ridiculous.
I'm against abortion in every scenario (besides threatening the mother's life) and I'm a very devout Roman Catholic.
I agree with Progressives that we should overturn Citizens United, and that we need money out of politics. I also agree with single-payer healthcare as long as citizens can opt out and go for private insurance if they so choose with no penalty by the government. I also believe that we should take action against climate change, I would be in favor of a Paris Agreement like treaty if it was more beneficial to the United States.
That's basically it. I'm a cross between a progressive, right wing populist and libertarian. I campaigned for Bernie Sanders during the 2016 election and after he lost the primaries (due to the DNC) I supported Gary Johnson in the general election. I'm currently planning to vote for Pres. Donald Trump in 2020, but would change my mind if someone like Austin Peterson got the libertarian nomination. I can't see myself voting for a democrat, and will probably vote Republican and libertarian.
Vista Major, Oelesa, Libiceland
You're a libertarian but against abortion? Interesting to say the least
Nuremgard, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Oelesa
The hounds are running out of the woods, brace yourself, your regional initiation begins now
Oelesa
Oelesa, Yukona
Ever heard of down low elves *smokes blunt*
Jaslandia, Oelesa
yea thats not true anymore Vista, look at our new population :P
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Yukona
So, if I may ask, since you're in favor of free market economics, do you agree with protectionism? Do you agree with Donny and Hillary when they said "bring jerbs back to the states"?
Oelesa
So was Austin Peterson, who came in second in the libertarian primaries in 2016. Ron Paul is also pro-life, and I don't know anyone who wouldn't call him a libertarian.
I'm ready.
Someone explain the regional inside joke.
Jaslandia, Yukona
Auxorii
I genuinely meant it was interesting, I wasn't challenging whether you were a libertarian or not man chill - and I know Ron Paul's pro-life I've read two of his books.
Auxorii
Nope, I completely disagree with protectionism and I said I support NAFTA and TPP, as well as any free trade agreement. The government shouldn't be involving themselves with private financial agreements at all, and Trump's idea of a 35% tariff on any company that outsources is ridiculous, although I concede that it is effective. Companies wouldn't need to leave if we cut the corporate tax rate to 0% and abolished federal wage standards. Millions of jobs would be created and loads of companies would move to the United States if we did those two things.
Yukona
I wasn't trying to come off as aggressive. I was just naming some other pro-life libertarians.
Also, what books? I'm assuming you've read "Liberty Defined" if you know he's pro-life?
Post self-deleted by Friedensreich.
Hm. Do you agree with the economic theory of human capital?
Yep, Liberty Defined and The Revolution
Auxorii
Well, yes. I think it would be extremely beneficial if we issued out more work visas to high skilled workers.
Yukona
Ok. So lemme explain why I think lowering the corporate tax rate to 0% would not do shít to bring back or create new jobs, and why the act of bringing in more jobs in the private sector is a waste of time.
So, staying in line with the theory of human capital.... American manufacturing workers simply cannot compete with cheaper Mexican and Chinese workers. Companies want to cut their costs, and humans account for the majority of their expenses. While American workers may be more efficient, Chinese workers are a dime a dozen, literally.
So, manufacturing will not be returning to the US no what. Our economy is simply evolving past industry.
It's indicative of a much larger trend; the Third and Second World is rapidly industrializing, while the Forst World is transitioning to an economy based on service. Africa, India, and China are quickly building up their economies based on industry, just like we in the West had during the Industrial Revolution.
Until Indian or Chinese workers suddenly become better educated and more skilled than US workers overnight, you can forget about manufacturing ever coming back.
As for why a 0% tax rate would not help, do you remember the lesson we all learned from the huge failure that is Reaganomics? Concentrating money in the hands of the few based on the idea that they will invest it into the economy and create more jobs for the many?
Lowering tax rates to 0% for corporations would effectively do the exact same thing. Companies will hold 100% of their profits.
We can see how successful that was in generating wealth for the many; since the introduction of Reagan's "miraculous" economic policy based on lowering corporate taxes and encouraging private sector development from the top, the concentration of wealth has polarized greatly.
In 1968, the top 10%- your bankers, investors, CEOs, executives, etc.- had an average income growth of about 75%, which is almost the same as the bottom 90%.
However, by 1986, heading towards the end of Ronald Reagan's administration, the top 10% had an average income growth of nearly 150%, as opposed to the bottom 90%'s growth of just 75%. (Source: https://b-i.forbesimg.com/louiswoodhill/files/2013/03/Income-Inequality-Chart-032713.jpg)
So, when Reagan's economic policy had its effects on the economy, we can see that the top 10%'s wealth grew double what it did 18 years before. But, the little guys, the 90%, stayed the same.
We should take a lesson from this; the top 10% have no care for the bottom 90%, and when given the money and trust to help the bottom 90%, they keep it for themselves.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia
Firstly, the idea of cutting the corporate tax rate helps all businesses, small or large. The concept it, if companies don't have to pay tax, they'll move here for tax reasons. Which is why companies move out of the U.S to begin with.
Also- Reagan had the third highest economic growth of any other president in history and the highest post-war recovery. He cut taxes for everyone-not just the "1%".
The idea of trickle down economics was never a thing. It is never mentioned by Reagan or any economics book. The left just came up with it.
Vista Major
Speaking on the Senate floor in 1992, Sen. Hank Brown (R-Colorado) said, "Mr. President, the trickle-down theory attributed to the Republican Party has never been articulated by President Reagan and has never been articulated by President Bush and has never been advocated by either one of them. One might argue whether trickle down makes any sense or not. To attribute to people who have advocated the opposite in policies is not only inaccurate but poisons the debate on public issues."
Vista Major
First, I just explained to you why abolishing the corporate tax rate won't do shít. Cheaper workers are more preferable to a company than a highly skilled one. Hence; outsourcing to places like China, India, and Mexico exists.
And I didn't say just the 1%, I said top 10%, k thx.
Second, economic growth doesn't mean a dàmn if the people- everybody- don't enjoy it. Obviously that is not the case since the 80's, booboo. It's simple and easy to see GDP numbers inflate and pass it off as a sign that an economy is doing great, but that is not reality. An economy is reliant on people buying things to keep it going and keep the machine oiled up so to speak, and if the people do not have money in their pockets, they'll either put themselves in debt by buying on credit and being unable to pay it off later, or simply go without. So wealth inequality and the decline of the middle class is not exactly a good thing, ya see?
Thirdly, lol. Partisan "the [enter side of economic spectrum] did X" stuff. "It's all [enter side of economic spectrum]'s fault".
The term "trickle down economics" originates long before Reagan, but we're not about to argue about the origin of a fricking phrase.
Vista Major, Axeldonia
That's fine. I believe in free trade. It's up to the business to decide whether they want a cheaper worker or a higher skilled worker.
Vista Major, Friedensreich
And that's perfectly fine. I'm for free trade too.
But the idea that bringing jobs back any which way is not gonna happen.
The best way to foster stable job growth is in the public sector. #BringBackTheWPA
Vista Major
The issue with using the public sector is that it doesn't always work, most evident in the energy sector right now, that means not only did we lose those jobs and such, but it also means we lost all the tax dollars, other people's money, to do it.
Besides, having the private sector do it fuels competition, which is why innovation happens. There's no incentive in the public sector besides taking more money from citizens.
Vista Major, Yukona
That is not exactly true. The Works Progress Administration during FDR's New Deal was extremely effective in creating jobs. It created 8.5 million jobs in only 8 years, from 1935 to 1943. Wealth began to flow again, and people were able to buy things again, fueling the economy.
I don't doubt that innovation is important, but competition is not always the only way to achieve it. But that's discussing more about human nature, and we're talking about economics.
Further, the Civil Service is much, much more preferable to work in than the private sector. The pay is much more stable, and promotions are annually. For example, my family has a history of working with the DoD and IRS (with members ranking as GS-13 and GS-9, respectively), and they have enjoyed annual pay raises and stable growth in their 30 years of service. The General Schedule which the Civil Service relies on is much more successful than people give it credit for.
I ask, why can't the expansion of the General Schedule be a good thing like how employment in the private sector is apparently better?
Vista Major, Axeldonia
mostly care about regional politics, but if we are all coming out if the closest I'd say I'm a center left kinda person.
I'm not economic expert so I won't pretend I have the answers, I'm left because of social issues.
So i support gay rights, in support of legalizing marijuana, support transgender and taking a 1 or 2 where they want, basically anything that has to do with personal choices and freedom, with the exception of abortion. If it isn't hurting someone I dont care.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Yukona
That's an insanely misleading statistic, FDR's New Deal isn't what created the jobs, it was, sadly, WWII. There was actually almost another recession when FDR slightly cut government spending because the economy became so dependent on government programs. That being said, FDR is actually one of my favorite presidents.
In the marketplace, competition is the most effective. Greed can be utilized so that people wanting to make more money, will create better quality products and servives at less cost, forcing other companies to do the same. This is economics 101, and it's the kind of materialism that free market capitalism generates that gives us better and cheaper things.
I come from a family in civil service. I was born to a family of Irish immigrants, my mother is a teacher, her mother a janitor, my father is a janitor, and his father was a trucker in Ireland. Both of my parents work for the school district, and my uncles and aunts are either lawyers, police officers, and one of them is a graphic arts designer for the city of Henderson.
While yes, pay in theory is more guaranteed in a stable way in the public sector, in practice this a lot of the times isn't the case. We see government meddling in things like social security (Govenor Schwarzeneggerand in California is a great example of this) and medicaid. As well as recessions, where the government has to cut back spending or in shutdowns, when they can't pay workers. Even that, guaranteed pay isn't the best argument for a certain ecomomic stance, seeing how things like the minimum wage (guaranteed pay at it's finest, the government forcing the private sector to do something) actually hurts workers and the economy, as businesses tend to cut back workers and usually mechanize instead, as well as the rising inflation that happens which leads to the minimum wage (guaranteed pay) needing to be raised again, and then again, and again, etcetera.
Vista Major
I do as well, the Vatican has actually endorsed decriminalizing same-sex sexual activity since 2008 and the Catechism of the Catholic Church forbids discrimination against homosexuals. As long as they don't force Christian bakers to cater their weddings or a church to officiate their wedding, then I won't force them to do anything.
I don't. I don't feel comfortable in the slightest about men confused about their sexuality going to the same bathrooms as little girls. I think that transgenderism is actually a mental illness, and the medical and scientific community agree with me. Gender dysphoria shouldn't be encouraged at all (or outlawed), and instead we should be supporting more research and funding mental health clinics.
Here's how I see it, with inspiration from Penn Jilette. Taxes are violent; in order to impose a tax, you have to have men with guns be ready to arrest someone for not paying that tax. If I don't pay taxes, men with guns will come to take me away. I don't think taxes are unnecessary, I just look at it like this:
I wouldn't support putting taxes on something I wouldn't use violence for. I would use violence to stop a rape, to stop a murder, to save a life, to defend the country, etcetera.
I wouldn't use violence to farm, to build a library, to bail out a bank, etcetera.
I will work for a farm or a library, I'll raise funds for a library (private donations/charities), but I wouldn't use violence for it.
No victim, no crime. As long as what you do doesn't affect me, it shouldn't be illegal. As long as it doesn't violate someone's rights or property, there shouldn't be a law against it.
Vista Major, Oelesa
https://youtu.be/1CFOuGqBSEE
https://youtu.be/246YpNGCi3g
Have you ever head of the 'how low can you go' elves?
Vista Major
Vista Major, Oelesa
I'm calling the Mcpolice(TM)
"The toothbrushes...Are a vital resource to any nation. To seize the toothbrushes of a nation is to ensure it's dental health long into the future. Was it not the glorious red army with their collective toothbrushes that defeated the fascist hordes? Was it not the farmers in Vietnam who threw off the US imperial beast with their clean gums and shining smiles? In essence, to seize sould of a nation, to drive it forward, you must first seize their toothbrushes."
-Josef Lenin Tito, Chairman of Commulist Borduria
OH, HAH, BROOH HMFH
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Assault, assault!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, The United Providences Of Perland
[spoiler=Today is July 13 and today are:]
Today is July 13 and today are:
- Barbershop Music Appreciation Day
- Embrace Your Geekness Day
- Feast of Kalimát (Bahá'í Faith)
- Fool's Paradise Day
- International Rock Day
- Kashmir Martyrs' Day (Pakistan)
- Statehood Day (Montenegro)
- Naadam (Mongolia)
- National Beans N Franks Day (United States)
- National Delaware Day (United States)
- National French Fry Day (United States)
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 587 BC Babylon's siege of Jerusalem ends following the destruction of Solomon's Temple.
- 1174 William I of Scotland, a key rebel in the Revolt of 117374, is captured at Alnwick by forces loyal to Henry II of England.
- 1249 Coronation of Alexander III as King of Scots.
- 1260 The Livonian Order suffers its greatest defeat in the 13th century in the Battle of Durbe against the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
- 1558 Battle of Gravelines: In France, Spanish forces led by Count Lamoral of Egmont defeat the French forces of Marshal Paul de Thermes at Gravelines.
- 1573 Eighty Years' War: The Siege of Haarlem ends after seven months.
- 1643 English Civil War: Battle of Roundway Down: In England, Henry Wilmot, 1st Earl of Rochester, commanding the Royalist forces, heavily defeats the Parliamentarian forces led by Sir William Waller.
- 1787 The Continental Congress enacts the Northwest Ordinance establishing governing rules for the Northwest Territory. It also establishes procedures for the admission of new states and limits the expansion of slavery.
- 1793 Journalist and French revolutionary Jean- Paul Marat is assassinated in his bathtub by Charlotte Corday, a member of the opposing political faction.
- 1794 The Battle of the Vosges is fought between French forces and those of Prussia and Austria.
- 1814 The Carabinieri, the national gendarmerie of Italy, is established.
- 1830 The General Assembly's Institution, now the Scottish Church College, one of the pioneering institutions that ushered the Bengali renaissance, is founded by Alexander Duff and Raja Ram Mohan Roy, in Calcutta, India.
- 1854 In the Battle of Guaymas, Mexico, General José María Yáñez stops the French invasion led by Count Gaston de Raousset- Boulbon.
- 1863 New York City draft riots: In New York City, opponents of conscription begin three days of rioting which will be later regarded as the worst in United States history.
- 1878 Treaty of Berlin: The European powers redraw the map of the Balkans. Serbia, Montenegro and Romania become completely independent of the Ottoman Empire.
- 1919 The British airship R34 lands in Norfolk, England, completing the first airship return journey across the Atlantic in 182 hours of flight.
- 1923 The Hollywood Sign is dedicated in the Hollywood Hills, Los Angeles. It originally reads "Hollywoodland," but the four last letters are dropped after renovation in 1949.
- 1941 World War II: Montenegrins begin a popular uprising against the Axis powers (Trinaestojulski ustanak).
- 1962 In an unprecedented action, British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan dismisses seven members of his Cabinet, marking the effective end of the National Liberals as a distinct force within British politics.
- 1973 Alexander Butterfield reveals the existence of the "Nixon tapes" to the special Senate committee investigating the Watergate break- in.
- 1977 Somalia declares war on Ethiopia, starting the Ogaden War.
- 1977 New York City: Amidst a period of financial and social turmoil experiences an electrical blackout lasting nearly 24 hours that leads to widespread fires and looting.
- 1985 The Live Aid benefit concert takes place in London and Philadelphia, as well as other venues such as Moscow and Sydney.
- 1985 Vice President George H. W. Bush becomes the Acting President for the day when President Ronald Reagan undergoes surgery to remove polyps from his colon.
- 2003 French DGSE personnel abort an operation to rescue Íngrid Betancourt from FARC rebels in Colombia, causing a political scandal when details are leaked to the press.
- 2008 Battle of Wanat begins when Taliban and al- Qaeda guerrillas attack US Army and Afghan National Army troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. deaths were, at that time, the most in a single battle since the beginning of operations in 2001.
- 2011 Mumbai is rocked by three bomb blasts during the evening rush hour, killing 26 and injuring 130.
- 2013 Typhoon Soulik kills at least nine people and affects more than 160 million in East China and Taiwan.
- 2016 Prime Minister of the United Kingdom David Cameron resigns, and is succeeded by Theresa May.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 100 BC Julius Caesar, Roman general and statesman
- 1527 John Dee, English-Welsh mathematician, astronomer, and astrologer
- 1821 Nathan Bedford Forrest, American general and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan
- 1841 Otto Wagner, Austrian architect, designed the Austrian Postal Savings Bank and Karlsplatz Stadtbahn Station
- 1918 Alberto Ascari, Italian race car driver
- 1934 Wole Soyinka, Nigerian author, poet, and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1940 Patrick Stewart, English actor, director, and producer
- 1942 Harrison Ford, American actor and producer
- 1944 Erno Rubik, Hungarian game designer, architect, and educator, invented the Rubik's Cube
- 1950 Ma Ying-jeou, Hong Kong-Taiwanese commander and politician, 12th President of the Republic of China
- 1956 Günther Jauch, German television host
- 1979 Craig Bellamy, Welsh footballer
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Quote of the day
The road to success is lined with many tempting parking spaces.
- Unkown Author -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Jaslandia, Auxorii, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Cesorion
Whether you believe its a mental illness or not, we should still leave it up to the person to decide that for them self. Private institutions can create their own health clinics for what you say is an illness. I suppose the bathroom issue is more complex, but I think that in the large scheme of it the private sector can do as they want. Its public schools and government facilities that can't really.
Again though, that comes down to more feeling. I'm comfortable using the restroom next to a girl, and I'd be comfortable using it take to a men if I were a woman.
Gender means nothing to me. Not in my relationships, not in the bathroom. We are human and I love you for your personality, not your sexual parts, I dont get those uncomfortable feelings. And with 8 billion people on its way, re population isn't an issue.
As for tge tax part of your argument, was that for the weeed I was talking about?
And I agree with the Christian Baker thing. For one I wouldnt have cake anyway and probably won't have a Christian wedding, but its a personal belief and they should have that personal right. But only for people dealing in the wedding business. If it were a birthday, that doesn't go against your religion. If a LGB are shopping at a regular store, Christians or otherwise should not be allowed to deny service. Only when it can directly infringe upon your religion should that choice to deny service be allowed.
(Damn suppress button, fkin hate that thing)
How are we all today ?
Oelesa
Yo [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation],
Again, just wondering who of the 12 voters for Unf's proposal wasn't a qualified citizen. Everyone seems to check out when I look, and given that this was our second referendum on the subject I think accurate reporting of the voter tallies is important.
Vista Major, Oelesa
I'm glad you tagged me, else I wouldn't have noticed.
I made a mistake.
Oelesa
The figure comes from a NYT article that actually criticized it heavily the year it was disbanded on July 1st, 1943. "WPA Pays Up and Quits" is the article name in case you wanted to know.
Neo-Classical Liberal Economics 101, you mean. There are more forms to economics than simply capitalist market economics. Like I said before, that is delving into a whole other can of worms that I already know we're going to disagree about. I'm a humanist, so I do not believe human nature is conpetitive, and rather believe that humans can be extremely creative and innovative all on their own, without societal pressures and economic competition.
My grandmother and mother work in the civil service right now, and their pay is extremely stable. The only direction is up for their salaries.
Funny enough, governments don't have to cut back spending during recessions, and Keynesianism (government stimulation of the economy via increased spending) has proven to work time and time again. This also had little to no effect on my grandmother's wages as a worker in DoD, so that huge recession in 2008 did not effect my family at all, due to us being in the public sector. Even the shutdown had no effect on her pay.
Automation of the workforce is inevitable. Liberal economics demand businesses cut their costs and ditch the human workers. It's already happened in numerous portions of the retail/service industry. Self checkout and automated checkout in grocery stores, drone delivery, you name it.
Now, that's a serious problem with your lovely infallible economic system where the government has no power in the economy. What's going to happen when the former retail and transportation workforce has no money to spend (remember, we already discussed how the people need money)?
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Post self-deleted by Nuremgard.
Being your daughter would be fun.
"Dad, I've just been raped. I am pregnant."
"I don't care, you slut. Do as I say and have that rape baby because as a man, I own your body."
Devout Catholic though so that it explains it all.
Has Keynesianism worked? Give me one example
As we're getting to crunch time before the opening of the first Parliament of the Second Confederacy, I'm once again posting my proposed Criminal Code for feedback from the region.
Checking spelling and grammar as well as ensuring the list of charges and their definitions are comprehensive would be particularly appreciated.
Highlights:
- Harassment covers most forms of communications violations, such as offensive and discriminatory comments or any other posts that bring the wrath of the mods down upon us. It emphasizes that the statements have to be repetitious.
- Obstruction of justice includes non-compliance with lawful instructions by Constables and sentences by the Judiciary. Potential sentences are listed in the last section. This should be of interest to our newest arrivals from Libertatem as it restricts what constitutes a sentence from the judicial branch.
- Abuse of office for public officerholders includig influencing the democratic process negatively, which covers violations relating to misrepresenting valid votes and not respecting the democratic transfer of power.
- Sentences, save for treason, can range from mild to severe depending om severity of the crime and judicial discretion. The use of "up to" when time durations are stipulated allows for slaps on the wrist for minor offences, like a 1 day ban from RMB postings.
Jaslandia, Oelesa
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/five-positive-results-keynesian-economics-3901.html
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Keynesian economics also helped after the great recession of 29.
No, the recession was longer than it had to be
Yukona
The idea that stimulating and stabilizing the economy during recessions helped end the economic crises of 1929 and 2008, but they probably won't believe that.
Muh "fiscal responsibility" and other such drivel.
Nuremgard, Yukona
Lemme guess, you're one of those "let the magic market" sort it types, aren't you?
Nah, just leave it all to the markets. They never ever fail. Ever.
*cough* 2008 financial crisis due to unregulated banks *cough*
Friedensreich
The market knows what's best for everyone! Don't you know that?
Don't make me call the McPolice.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
That's why the market model works so well in America when it comes to healthcare! :P
Oh yeah, companies have the best interest of the people in mind!
Now lemme just sit back and wonder why I have to deal with a 24% interest rate on student loans when the bank knows fully well I have no money.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
You mean Obamacare?
Why did you take a loan then?
Social market economy anyone?
No, I mean the fact that Americans need to have insurance to get healthcare or pay for their treatment. It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen. Having a universal healthcare system is the hallmark of a civilised society.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Because
A) I'm not a spoilt trust fund brat that can pay their way through with no issues
B) I'm not rich enough to afford tuition
C) I can't afford it
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Yukona
I live in a country were there is universal healthcare and let me tell you, you do NOT want to live in a place where there are no options
According to right wingers, you should just not go to uni and try to better your life. You cant afford it? Tough sh!t. Get a crap minimum wage job, let the rich boys and girls to to uni and know your place, pleb.
yay i am a citizen now
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Wow, it's good that someone was so generous and provided you with a loan!
Germany - statutory health insurance since 1883 :)
Jaslandia
Ha! I also live in a country with a universal healthcare system and it's bloody fantastic. The NHS is the greatest achievement Britain ever accomplished.
If you really hate your state heathcae system, go private. It's not rocket science.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Yukona
You do realise he probably pays taxes too right? So he is in effect funding himself. You right wingers are obsessed with your taxes, you seem to forget others pay taxes too. Stop whinging that you need to contribute to society.
Except for the fact that the governments and municipalities block it?
Tough sh!t. Move somewhere else then where you have the option. Simple right? I mean the world is always black and white with you right wingers, no? Get a better job and move if you're so oppressed by universal healthcare.
Maybe Somalia would be more to your liking.
I will gladly pay taxes, but the government has no power to take my income without my consent
At eye gouging interest rates that are borderline predatory, sure. But the banks ain't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts; they want to milk every cent out of my pocket for the next 10 years.
Too bad free college is too "socialist" of an idea here in the States, or else I wouldn't have to put myself in debt for the next decade to earn a degree!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Lol yes it does. That's what taxes are.
Jaslandia
Look, I am trying to have a discussion with you, stop being so rude and use real arguments
Thank God my country has free tuition fees. You should move here! :P
Axeldonia
No, you wanna know what taxes are? Theft, plain and simple
I am using real arguments. Why do you hate the fact that everyone can get treated equally by the health service? What is so wrong about you helping to pay for the cancer treatment of the child next door?
Axeldonia
In your opinion.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
What is wrong with it is that it is without my consent. It's like rape
whens the next map update?
Russkov Soviet, Oelesa
For fûck's sake, we need to either join the rest of the developed world and develop universal healthcare, or go back to private. Nobody likes this limboland we're in.
Axeldonia
Mate, you're equating your taxes helping to save a child's life with rape? You are the one not using real arguments here. You fail. You fail fantastically.
Axeldonia
It's not in "my opinion" it's a fact. They are taking my money without my consent and giving me things instead that I didn't ask for
The US should adopt a universal system. But that will never happen. Cause you know, helping to cure someone's cancer with your taxes is like rape. :P
Axeldonia
Yes? If you had to rape someone to save a life it would still be rape right?
Deal with it. My taxes help fund a nuclear weapon just outside my city and my taxes help fund bombs that blow up children in Yemen. Governments collect taxes and spend them. If you don't like how they spend them, vote for the party you think will best spend your taxes (or not spend them, considering your politics.)
Axeldonia
Stop with this "argument." You are making yourself look like a moron.
Axeldonia
Hello ?
Vista Major, Axeldonia
Penguania And Antarctica
Hey, I trademarked that!
Oelesa
Hey Peng! How're you?
Penguania And Antarctica
Wow that's a good response. Do you have a real argument or are you going to stop arguing because it makes me look like a moron?
So if someone would steal your money you wouldn't call the police?
Oi, do you use any government services?
I'm doing okay. Was a bit queasy earlier.
Ah right. Okay. I'll play along. Yes. Paying taxes to help cancer patients is -exactly- the same as someone forcing themselves sexually upon an unwilling victim...somehow.
Look, just admit you don't want your taxes to help other people because you're a selfish, spiteful arsehole.
Axeldonia
I use government monopolies yes
Property theft is a burgeoise lie
The only theft that's real is the capitalist systems theft of the common mans labour
Friedensreich
Of course I would because that's theft. Taxation, however, is not theft. It is a mechanism which governments use to redistribute wealth and help pay for public services which everyone makes use of such as roads, the education system, healthcare et al.
I know you right wingers seem to think you can coast through life all on your own but it's impossible. No man is an island. Even the multi-billionaire must drive his fancy car on the roads built using taxpayer money.
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Written by Refuge Isle.