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Pirate Kingdoms wrote:The Versutian Federation: used to be my home region from 2013 to 2014 (when I moved UCT to the Commonwealth). It's the same region I returned to after Ru went full nutjob and where both UCT and the other puppets still reside. Commonwealth military forces actually assisted the members of the VF military against a raider region previously (that actually coincided with my own military service to the Federation), and I recall Lavan helping out when some raider tried to open up the original region as a trophy one.

I did that?

Penguania And Antarctica

I am sad

Discord keeps crashing for me whenever I try to open it

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Lavan Tiri wrote:I did that?

The forum page for Liberate Versutian Federation: I remember telling you thanks at some point in one of the other regions.

Also, holy shït, Lavan's alive

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

I think the right to privacy has come to be held so highly in Yukona that a new kid automatically put on your class register could have you sued for millions.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

I could solve a number of issues in my new country. Such as the crime problem or maybe the bad environment. Or improve public services. What does NS give me? An issue about skate boarding.

This is what great empires are reduced to, folks. *sighs*

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I could solve a number of issues in my new country. Such as the crime problem or maybe the bad environment. Or improve public services. What does NS give me? An issue about skate boarding.

This is what great empires are reduced to, folks. *sighs*

Solve? You mean ignore. As I have always said - if you dismiss it, it never happened. :^) Terrorism? I don't know what you're talking about reclines in chair and puts hands behind head I'm such a great leader

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Solve? You mean ignore. As I have always said - if you dismiss it, it never happened. :^) Terrorism? I don't know what you're talking about reclines in chair and puts hands behind head I'm such a great leader

Yeah, that's what happened this time.

"Skateboard? What skateboard?" *plays with hair*

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

To any Brits here:

Spend your round pounds or deposit them into banks before 15th October as they will cease being legal tender then. The new 12-sided pound is being launched next month. Furthermore, a new plastic tenner is being launched in the summer and the old fiver is being withdrawn on 5th May.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Herro

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:To any Brits here:

Spend your round pounds or deposit them into banks before 15th October as they will cease being legal tender then. The new 12-sided pound is being launched next month. Furthermore, a new plastic tenner is being launched in the summer and the old fiver is being withdrawn on 5th May.

That's some sound advice there, Nurem. I had no idea they were going to stop being legal tender.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:That's some sound advice there, Nurem. I had no idea they were going to stop being legal tender.

Reading the news everyday has some advantages at least.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

I am really considering kicking off the First Confederacy Song Contest :P

Lavan Tiri, Greater Banitia, Oelesa

[Nation]Nuremgard[/nation] your issue is stupid and you oughtta feel bad.

Nuremgard

Kep wrote::/

Something wrong lol

Lavan Tiri wrote:[Nation]Nuremgard[/nation] your issue is stupid and you oughtta feel bad.

Aww, tut mir leid, Kumania

Hello

Don't be mean, Lavan

Lavan Tiri

Hello people. Wish you all a nice day.

[spoiler=Today is February 18 and today are:]

Today is February 18 and today are:

- Cow Milked While Flying in an Airplane Day

- Daisy Gatson Bates Day

- Dialect Day (Amami Islands, Japan)

- Drink Wine Day

- Eat Ice Cream for Breakfast Day

- Independence Day (Gambia)

- Kurdish Students Union Day (Iraqi Kurdistan)

- National Battery Day (United States)

- National Crab Stuffed Flounder Day (United States)

- National Democracy Day (Nepal)

- National Drink Wine Day (United States)

- National Hate Florida Day (United States)

- Pluto Day

- World Pangolin Day

- World Whale Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1229 – The Sixth Crusade: Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor signs a ten-year truce with al-Kamil, regaining Jerusalem, Nazareth, and Bethlehem with neither military engagements nor support from the papacy.

- 1268 – The Livonian Order is defeated by Dovmont of Pskov in the Battle of Rakvere.

- 1332 – Amda Seyon I, Emperor of Ethiopia begins his campaigns in the southern Muslim provinces.

- 1478 – George, Duke of Clarence, convicted of treason against his older brother Edward IV of England, is executed in private at the Tower of London.

- 1637 – Eighty Years' War: Off the coast of Cornwall, England, a Spanish fleet intercepts an important Anglo-Dutch merchant convoy of 44 vessels escorted by six warships, destroying or capturing 20 of them.

- 1745 – The city of Surakarta, Central Java is founded on the banks of Bengawan Solo River, and becomes the capital of the Sunanate of Surakarta Hadiningrat.

- 1766 – A mutiny by captive Malagasy begins at sea on the slave ship Meermin, leading to the ship's destruction on Cape Agulhas in present-day South Africa and the recapture of the instigators.

- 1781 – Fourth Anglo-Dutch War: Captain Thomas Shirley opens his expedition against Dutch colonial outposts on the Gold Coast of Africa (present-day Ghana).

- 1791 – Congress passes a law admitting the state of Vermont to the Union, effective 4 March 1791, after that state had existed for 14 years as a de facto independent largely unrecognized state.

- 1797 – French Revolutionary Wars: Sir Ralph Abercromby and a fleet of 18 British warships invade Trinidad.

- 1814 – Napoleonic Wars: The Battle of Montereau.

- 1861 – In Montgomery, Alabama, Jefferson Davis is inaugurated as the provisional President of the Confederate States of America.

- 1861 – With Italian unification almost complete, Victor Emmanuel II of Piedmont, Savoy and Sardinia assumes the title of King of Italy.

- 1865 – American Civil War: Union forces under Major General William T. Sherman set the South Carolina State House on fire during the burning of Columbia.

- 1873 – Bulgarian revolutionary leader Vasil Levski is executed by hanging in Sofia by the Ottoman authorities.

- 1878 – John Tunstall is murdered by outlaw Jesse Evans, sparking the Lincoln County War in Lincoln County, New Mexico.

- 1885 – Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain is published in the United States.

- 1900 – Second Boer War: Imperial forces suffer their worst single-day loss of life on Bloody Sunday, the first day of the Battle of Paardeberg.

- 1906 – Édouard de Laveleye forms the Belgian Olympic Committee in Brussels.

- 1911 – The first official flight with airmail takes place from Allahabad, United Provinces, British India (now India), when Henri Pequet, a 23-year-old pilot, delivers 6,500 letters to Naini, about 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) away.

- 1930 – While studying photographs taken in January, Clyde Tombaugh discovers Pluto.

- 1930 – Elm Farm Ollie becomes the first cow to fly in a fixed-wing aircraft and also the first cow to be milked in an aircraft.

- 1932 – The Empire of Japan declares a puppet state of Manzhouguo (the obsolete Chinese name for Manchuria) independent from the Republic of China and installed former Chinese Emperor Aisin Gioro Puyi as Chief Executive of the State.

- 1938 – Second Sino-Japanese War: During the Nanking Massacre the Nanking Safety Zone International Committee is renamed "Nanking International Rescue Committee" and the safety zone in place for refugees falls apart.

- 1942 – World War II: The Imperial Japanese Army begins the systematic extermination of perceived hostile elements among the Chinese in Singapore.

- 1943 – World War II: The Nazis arrest the members of the White Rose movement.

- 1943 – World War II: Joseph Goebbels delivers his Sportpalast speech.

- 1946 – Sailors of the Royal Indian Navy mutiny in Bombay harbour, from where the action spreads throughout the Provinces of British India, involving 78 ships, twenty shore establishments and 20,000 sailors

- 1947 – First Indochina War: The French gain complete control of Hanoi after forcing the Viet Minh to withdraw to mountains.

- 1954 – The first Church of Scientology is established in Los Angeles.

- 1955 – Operation Teapot: Teapot test shot "Wasp" is successfully detonated at the Nevada Test Site with a yield of 1.2 kilotons. Wasp is the first of fourteen shots in the Teapot series.

- 1957 – Kenyan rebel leader Dedan Kimathi is executed by the British colonial government.

- 1957 – Walter James Bolton becomes the last person legally executed in New Zealand.

- 1965 – The Gambia becomes independent from the United Kingdom.

- 1970 – The Chicago Seven are found not guilty of conspiring to incite riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

- 1972 – The California Supreme Court in the case of People v. Anderson, (6 Cal.3d 628) invalidates the state's death penalty and commutes the sentences of all death row inmates to life imprisonment.

- 1977 – The Space Shuttle Enterprise test vehicle is carried on its maiden "flight" on top of a Boeing 747.

- 1983 – Thirteen people die and one is seriously injured in the Wah Mee massacre in Seattle. It is said to be the largest robbery-motivated mass-murder in U.S. history.

- 1991 – The IRA explodes bombs in the early morning at Paddington station and Victoria station in London.

- 2001 – FBI agent Robert Hanssen is arrested for spying for the Soviet Union. He is ultimately convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

- 2001 – Seven-time NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion Dale Earnhardt dies in an accident during the Daytona 500.

- 2001 – Sampit conflict: Inter-ethnic violence between Dayaks and Madurese breaks out in Sampit, Central Kalimantan, Indonesia, ultimately resulting in more than 500 deaths and 100,000 Madurese displaced from their homes.

- 2003 – Nearly 200 people die in the Daegu subway fire in South Korea.

- 2004 – Up to 295 people, including nearly 200 rescue workers, die near Nishapur in Iran when a runaway freight train carrying sulfur, petrol and fertilizer catches fire and explodes.

- 2007 – Terrorist bombs explode on the Samjhauta Express in Panipat, Haryana, India, killing 68 people.

- 2013 – Armed robbers steal a haul of diamonds worth $50 million during a raid at Brussels Airport in Belgium.

- 2014 – At least 76 people are killed and hundreds are injured in clashes between riot police and demonstrators in Kiev, Ukraine.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1516 – Mary I of England

- 1745 – Alessandro Volta, Italian physicist, invented the battery

- 1838 – Ernst Mach, Austrian physicist and philosopher

- 1848 – Louis Comfort Tiffany, American stained glass artist

- 1883 – Nikos Kazantzakis, Greek philosopher, author, and playwright

- 1898 – Enzo Ferrari, Italian race car driver and businessman, founded Ferrari

- 1925 – George Kennedy, American actor

- 1931 – Toni Morrison, American novelist and editor, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1932 – Miloš Forman, Czech-American actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1933 – Yoko Ono, Japanese-American singer-songwriter

- 1954 – John Travolta, American actor and producer

- 1964 – Matt Dillon, American actor and director

- 1967 – Roberto Baggio, Italian footballer

- 1974 – Julia Butterfly Hill, American environmentalist and author

- 1974 – Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Russian tennis player

- 1978 – Oliver Pocher, German comedian and actor

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

Pick a flower on Earth and you move the farthest star.

- Paul Dirac -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Hello people. Wish you all a nice day.

[spoiler=Today is February 18 and today are:]

Today is February 18 and today are:

- Cow Milked While Flying in an Airplane Day

- Daisy Gatson Bates Day

- Dialect Day (Amami Islands, Japan)

- Drink Wine Day

- Eat Ice Cream for Breakfast Day

- Independence Day (Gambia)

- Kurdish Students Union Day (Iraqi Kurdistan)

- National Battery Day (United States)

- National Crab Stuffed Flounder Day (United States)

- National Democracy Day (Nepal)

- National Drink Wine Day (United States)

- National Hate Florida Day (United States)

- Pluto Day

- World Pangolin Day

- World Whale Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1229 – The Sixth Crusade: Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor signs a ten-year truce with al-Kamil, regaining Jerusalem, Nazareth, and Bethlehem with neither military engagements nor support from the papacy.

- 1268 – The Livonian Order is defeated by Dovmont of Pskov in the Battle of Rakvere.

- 1332 – Amda Seyon I, Emperor of Ethiopia begins his campaigns in the southern Muslim provinces.

- 1478 – George, Duke of Clarence, convicted of treason against his older brother Edward IV of England, is executed in private at the Tower of London.

- 1637 – Eighty Years' War: Off the coast of Cornwall, England, a Spanish fleet intercepts an important Anglo-Dutch merchant convoy of 44 vessels escorted by six warships, destroying or capturing 20 of them.

- 1745 – The city of Surakarta, Central Java is founded on the banks of Bengawan Solo River, and becomes the capital of the Sunanate of Surakarta Hadiningrat.

- 1766 – A mutiny by captive Malagasy begins at sea on the slave ship Meermin, leading to the ship's destruction on Cape Agulhas in present-day South Africa and the recapture of the instigators.

- 1781 – Fourth Anglo-Dutch War: Captain Thomas Shirley opens his expedition against Dutch colonial outposts on the Gold Coast of Africa (present-day Ghana).

- 1791 – Congress passes a law admitting the state of Vermont to the Union, effective 4 March 1791, after that state had existed for 14 years as a de facto independent largely unrecognized state.

- 1797 – French Revolutionary Wars: Sir Ralph Abercromby and a fleet of 18 British warships invade Trinidad.

- 1814 – Napoleonic Wars: The Battle of Montereau.

- 1861 – In Montgomery, Alabama, Jefferson Davis is inaugurated as the provisional President of the Confederate States of America.

- 1861 – With Italian unification almost complete, Victor Emmanuel II of Piedmont, Savoy and Sardinia assumes the title of King of Italy.

- 1865 – American Civil War: Union forces under Major General William T. Sherman set the South Carolina State House on fire during the burning of Columbia.

- 1873 – Bulgarian revolutionary leader Vasil Levski is executed by hanging in Sofia by the Ottoman authorities.

- 1878 – John Tunstall is murdered by outlaw Jesse Evans, sparking the Lincoln County War in Lincoln County, New Mexico.

- 1885 – Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain is published in the United States.

- 1900 – Second Boer War: Imperial forces suffer their worst single-day loss of life on Bloody Sunday, the first day of the Battle of Paardeberg.

- 1906 – Édouard de Laveleye forms the Belgian Olympic Committee in Brussels.

- 1911 – The first official flight with airmail takes place from Allahabad, United Provinces, British India (now India), when Henri Pequet, a 23-year-old pilot, delivers 6,500 letters to Naini, about 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) away.

- 1930 – While studying photographs taken in January, Clyde Tombaugh discovers Pluto.

- 1930 – Elm Farm Ollie becomes the first cow to fly in a fixed-wing aircraft and also the first cow to be milked in an aircraft.

- 1932 – The Empire of Japan declares a puppet state of Manzhouguo (the obsolete Chinese name for Manchuria) independent from the Republic of China and installed former Chinese Emperor Aisin Gioro Puyi as Chief Executive of the State.

- 1938 – Second Sino-Japanese War: During the Nanking Massacre the Nanking Safety Zone International Committee is renamed "Nanking International Rescue Committee" and the safety zone in place for refugees falls apart.

- 1942 – World War II: The Imperial Japanese Army begins the systematic extermination of perceived hostile elements among the Chinese in Singapore.

- 1943 – World War II: The Nazis arrest the members of the White Rose movement.

- 1943 – World War II: Joseph Goebbels delivers his Sportpalast speech.

- 1946 – Sailors of the Royal Indian Navy mutiny in Bombay harbour, from where the action spreads throughout the Provinces of British India, involving 78 ships, twenty shore establishments and 20,000 sailors

- 1947 – First Indochina War: The French gain complete control of Hanoi after forcing the Viet Minh to withdraw to mountains.

- 1954 – The first Church of Scientology is established in Los Angeles.

- 1955 – Operation Teapot: Teapot test shot "Wasp" is successfully detonated at the Nevada Test Site with a yield of 1.2 kilotons. Wasp is the first of fourteen shots in the Teapot series.

- 1957 – Kenyan rebel leader Dedan Kimathi is executed by the British colonial government.

- 1957 – Walter James Bolton becomes the last person legally executed in New Zealand.

- 1965 – The Gambia becomes independent from the United Kingdom.

- 1970 – The Chicago Seven are found not guilty of conspiring to incite riots at the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

- 1972 – The California Supreme Court in the case of People v. Anderson, (6 Cal.3d 628) invalidates the state's death penalty and commutes the sentences of all death row inmates to life imprisonment.

- 1977 – The Space Shuttle Enterprise test vehicle is carried on its maiden "flight" on top of a Boeing 747.

- 1983 – Thirteen people die and one is seriously injured in the Wah Mee massacre in Seattle. It is said to be the largest robbery-motivated mass-murder in U.S. history.

- 1991 – The IRA explodes bombs in the early morning at Paddington station and Victoria station in London.

- 2001 – FBI agent Robert Hanssen is arrested for spying for the Soviet Union. He is ultimately convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment.

- 2001 – Seven-time NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion Dale Earnhardt dies in an accident during the Daytona 500.

- 2001 – Sampit conflict: Inter-ethnic violence between Dayaks and Madurese breaks out in Sampit, Central Kalimantan, Indonesia, ultimately resulting in more than 500 deaths and 100,000 Madurese displaced from their homes.

- 2003 – Nearly 200 people die in the Daegu subway fire in South Korea.

- 2004 – Up to 295 people, including nearly 200 rescue workers, die near Nishapur in Iran when a runaway freight train carrying sulfur, petrol and fertilizer catches fire and explodes.

- 2007 – Terrorist bombs explode on the Samjhauta Express in Panipat, Haryana, India, killing 68 people.

- 2013 – Armed robbers steal a haul of diamonds worth $50 million during a raid at Brussels Airport in Belgium.

- 2014 – At least 76 people are killed and hundreds are injured in clashes between riot police and demonstrators in Kiev, Ukraine.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1516 – Mary I of England

- 1745 – Alessandro Volta, Italian physicist, invented the battery

- 1838 – Ernst Mach, Austrian physicist and philosopher

- 1848 – Louis Comfort Tiffany, American stained glass artist

- 1883 – Nikos Kazantzakis, Greek philosopher, author, and playwright

- 1898 – Enzo Ferrari, Italian race car driver and businessman, founded Ferrari

- 1925 – George Kennedy, American actor

- 1931 – Toni Morrison, American novelist and editor, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1932 – Miloš Forman, Czech-American actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1933 – Yoko Ono, Japanese-American singer-songwriter

- 1954 – John Travolta, American actor and producer

- 1964 – Matt Dillon, American actor and director

- 1967 – Roberto Baggio, Italian footballer

- 1974 – Julia Butterfly Hill, American environmentalist and author

- 1974 – Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Russian tennis player

- 1978 – Oliver Pocher, German comedian and actor

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

Pick a flower on Earth and you move the farthest star.

- Paul Dirac -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Beautiful

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- Cow Milked While Flying in an Airplane Day

- 1930 – Elm Farm Ollie becomes the first cow to fly in a fixed-wing aircraft and also the first cow to be milked in an aircraft.

I was about to say 'Wait, why would you milk on cow on an airplane in flight?', but then I saw that someone actually did it. I'm not if I should be impressed or baffled.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- National Hate Florida Day (United States)

As a Floridian myself, I disapprove of this holiday. As protest, I declare today to be 'National Hate Kansas Day' (no offense to anyone here who actually lives in Kansas; I'm sure you're all lovely people).

https://youtu.be/OGtb1YfJ2vo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_evolution_hearings

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Damn, I was too late to apply for president. Rip in orcaronis

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Orcala wrote:Damn, I was too late to apply for president. Rip in orcaronis

There's always next two months!

Jaslandia, Oelesa

Lavan Tiri wrote:[Nation]Nuremgard[/nation] your issue is stupid and you oughtta feel bad.

Which one?

Vista Major wrote:There's always next two months!

Two months is way too long on the internet lmao I just started this game

Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Orcala wrote:Two months is way too long on the internet lmao I just started this game

I am so sorry for that. You can still work for the government, if you must

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Orcala wrote:Damn, I was too late to apply for president. Rip in orcaronis

There's always next time, and there are other positions in government for you to apply to!

Mentorship for example!

Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:There's always next time, and there are other positions in government for you to apply to!

Mentorship for example!

I'll look into it

Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Orcala wrote:I'll look into it

Welcome to the Confederacy, by the way. Don't mind our renovations too much :P

Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

UM, NS? I wouldn't call a 2% tax cut "reining in public spending."

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:UM, NS? I wouldn't call a 2% tax cut "reining in public spending."

Come on. You know the standards of NS. :p

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Come on. You know the standards of NS. :p

^

What are the some quick ways to lower primitiveness quickly besides issues, because issues take too long to come in

Orcala wrote:What are the some quick ways to lower primitiveness quickly besides issues, because issues take too long to come in

if there are none then ok

Orcala wrote:I'll look into it

I've looked all over the region page, Idk where to apply tbh

Orcala wrote:if there are none then ok

I believe the only way to lower anything in your nation is by issues. If you want more issues aster you might be able to get more in the settings section. Issues do get boring after a while though. Oh, and 2 months Is nothing, most people play for years.

Jaslandia

Oelesa wrote:I believe the only way to lower anything in your nation is by issues. If you want more issues aster you might be able to get more in the settings section. Issues do get boring after a while though. Oh, and 2 months Is nothing, most people play for years.

I can see that

I've looked in the settings, I have issues set to 'No Throttle' which I believe is the fastest setting, fact check me on that if you will

Also, I've invited The Protectorate of Emura to our region, we're acquaintences on a discord server

Orcala wrote:I can see that

I've looked in the settings, I have issues set to 'No Throttle' which I believe is the fastest setting, fact check me on that if you will

Yeah that's as fast as it gets. Once you get your nation how you want it, stop answering issues. It won't hurt you, only do them when you want change. Thats my two cents. Others probably disagree.

For example when I went to full Monarchy I had to lower poltical freedoms for it to make sense, however I didn't have to do it too much since the Monarch is still basically the US. President but for life, and the family takes the throne.

Another is when your nation switches parties or leaders.

That's how I use issues.

Oelesa wrote:Yeah that's as fast as it gets. Once you get your nation how you want it, stop answering issues. It won't hurt you, only do them when you want change. Thats my two cents. Others probably disagree.

For example when I went to full Monarchy I had to lower poltical freedoms for it to make sense, however I didn't have to do it too much since the Monarch is still basically the US. President but for life, and the family takes the throne.

Another is when your nation switches parties or leaders.

That's how I use issues.

okay

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=vermangale_1487358593

This proposal seems lit

Can we get it approved in time?

Orcala wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=vermangale_1487358593

This proposal seems lit

Can we get it approved in time?

No thanks.

10% is quite a bit, and forcing nations into it is ludicrous.

Kalaron wrote:No thanks.

10% is quite a bit, and forcing nations into it is ludicrous.

what would you do to make it more plausible?

Orcala wrote:what would you do to make it more plausible?

Well, more detail is a must. Also, I don't think they actually can do that, at least not the effects that they want.

Oelesa

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I am sad

Discord keeps crashing for me whenever I try to open it

guise

help

pl0x

Every hour that goes by that I can't connect to Discord, my soul continues to wither away

Every time I try to open Discord, my browser (Google Chrome) freezes. Unfortunately it appears the only way for me to connect to Discord is to do it in a different browser and the only other browser I have is Internet Explorer/Microsoft Edge so the only way for me to connect to Discord is that garbage unless someone could maybe help me out bc ion wanna use internet explorer for literally one thing ;-;

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:guise

help

pl0x

Every hour that goes by that I can't connect to Discord, my soul continues to wither away

Every time I try to open Discord, my browser (Google Chrome) freezes. Unfortunately it appears the only way for me to connect to Discord is to do it in a different browser and the only other browser I have is Internet Explorer/Microsoft Edge so the only way for me to connect to Discord is that garbage unless someone could maybe help me out bc ion wanna use internet explorer for literally one thing ;-;

If you have a phone, download the app: it's how I go on at school

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:If you have a phone, download the app: it's how I go on at school

thank ya kind sir you are fantastic

Oelesa

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:thank ya kind sir you are fantastic

Discord also has it's own app on computers

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Oelesa

Orcala wrote:Discord also has it's own app on computers

you are dank too

>stop newspapers from lying

>civil rights go down

I'm tryna help you yo

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:>stop newspapers from lying

>civil rights go down

I'm tryna help you yo

Journalists: You're stopping us from telling lies and sensationalism! You're oppressing us!

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

God, school is killing me this week.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Anyone know how this Dubtrack thing works?

Killdash wrote:God, school is killing me this week.

Got mocks the coming week, good job I have a bit of study leave inbetween

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Killdash wrote:God, school is killing me this week.

I read that as

Killdash wrote:school, God is killing me this week.

Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Anyone know how this Dubtrack thing works?

Got mocks the coming week, good job I have a bit of study leave inbetween

Good luck.

Yukona wrote:Anyone know how this Dubtrack thing works?

Showed u

I have lost my faith in all humanity.

https://www.timeout.com/melbourne/blog/ermahgerd-a-meme-festival-is-coming-to-melbourne-021417

By far the cringiest thing I've ever seen.

Vista Major, Oelesa

Baxten wrote:I have lost my faith in all humanity.

https://www.timeout.com/melbourne/blog/ermahgerd-a-meme-festival-is-coming-to-melbourne-021417

By far the cringiest thing I've ever seen.

The Lord sakd he'd never destroy the Earth again

He lied

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/meme-fest-tickets-32079413389

Oelesa

Now fully documented and updated to (as far as I know) the most recent version, the CoFN Constitution,

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=773390

I'll be working on the official law code during the week and the rest of this weekend, but jeez, my fingers are friggen tired from all that XD

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:guise

help

pl0x

Every hour that goes by that I can't connect to Discord, my soul continues to wither away

Every time I try to open Discord, my browser (Google Chrome) freezes. Unfortunately it appears the only way for me to connect to Discord is to do it in a different browser and the only other browser I have is Internet Explorer/Microsoft Edge so the only way for me to connect to Discord is that garbage unless someone could maybe help me out bc ion wanna use internet explorer for literally one thing ;-;

Firefox is also an option

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Firefox is also an option

what are you implying

Nuremgard https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10154413507452217/

Nuremgard

Yukona wrote:Nuremgard https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10154413507452217/

Creepy but cool!

Yukona

Orcala wrote:what are you implying

Uhm .... nothing? I just means he could use Firefox instead of chrome or Internet Explorer.

Yukona

Ik I asked this before, but why do liberals hate Pence so much besides the conversion therapy? Like, how is he worse than any other Republican?

Aldaur wrote:Ik I asked this before, but why do liberals hate Pence so much besides the conversion therapy? Like, how is he worse than any other Republican?

He is the antithesis of liberal ideals. That's why.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aldaur

Baxten wrote:He is the antithesis of liberal ideals. That's why.

In what way and how is that different to any Republican?

I'd much rather prefer Pence over Trump. However, when someone says "impeach Trump", liberals respond with "yea, but remember who the VP is" as if he is some how worse....

Aldaur wrote:In what way and how is that different to any Republican?

I'd much rather prefer Pence over Trump. However, when someone says "impeach Trump", liberals respond with "yea, but remember who the VP is" as if he is some how worse....

I don't consider myself fully liberal, so I may not be the best source, but I'll do my best to explain.

Most others Republicans (even Trump) has at least one idea that isn't totally conservative in nature. Trump supports gay rights, John McCain is against torture, and so many others aren't 100% conservative. Not Pence. Pence is totally conservative and takes some of his conservative ideas to the total extremes. He's been called a fascist in the bad way by not just liberals, but more moderate people too.

As for why one's worse than the other is something I'll explain here: Trump is loud. We all know that. Now, I do trust Pence over that blonde Oompa Loompa with our nuclear codes and all that, I'll give him that. However, Pence's ideas are much more radical than those of Trump. What most people understand is that Pence would make America much more conservative in more than just the economic sense like Trump is. However, Pence is not waging crusades against the media and sure as hell not yelling "Kill the Gays" like those loud idiots of the Alt-Right. Pence is, I hate to say it, ingenious when it comes to these things. He understands that he'd get ousted if he was like Trump.

With Trump's recent actions, Pence may look better, though. We'll just have to wait and see. However, he looks better mainly because of what I just mentioned.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Oelesa

Baxten wrote:I don't consider myself fully liberal, so I may not be the best source, but I'll do my best to explain.

Most others Republicans (even Trump) has at least one idea that isn't totally conservative in nature. Trump supports gay rights, John McCain is against torture, and so many others aren't 100% conservative. Not Pence. Pence is totally conservative and takes some of his conservative ideas to the total extremes. He's been called a fascist in the bad way by not just liberals, but more moderate people too.

As for why one's worse than the other is something I'll explain here: Trump is loud. We all know that. Now, I do trust Pence over that blonde Oompa Loompa with our nuclear codes and all that, I'll give him that. However, Pence's ideas are much more radical than those of Trump. What most people understand is that Pence would make America much more conservative in more than just the economic sense like Trump is. However, Pence is not waging crusades against the media and sure as hell not yelling "Kill the Gays" like those loud idiots of the Alt-Right. Pence is, I hate to say it, ingenious when it comes to these things. He understands that he'd get ousted if he was like Trump.

With Trump's recent actions, Pence may look better, though. We'll just have to wait and see. However, he looks better mainly because of what I just mentioned.

I may not agree with everything Pence does, but there is nothing wrong with being 100% Conservative and he is most certainly not a Fascist. People like to do stupid name calling, but for anyone who actually knows what Fascism is, that is just plain stupid. I feel like having Pence be President would be like the conservative version of having Warren be President. Nothing wrong with that imo. Again, I may not agree with Pence on everything, but I could at least be proud to say he is my President.

#ImpeachTrump

Aldaur wrote:I may not agree with everything Pence does, but there is nothing wrong with being 100% Conservative and he is most certainly not a Fascist. People like to do stupid name calling, but for anyone who actually knows what Fascism is, that is just plain stupid. I feel like having Pence be President would be like the conservative version of having Warren be President. Nothing wrong with that imo. Again, I may not agree with Pence on everything, but I could at least be proud to say he is my President.

#ImpeachTrump

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being 100% Conservative, but both you and I know it wouldn't go to well with people that have anything close to liberal leanings

You've gotta excuse the American public. The only exposure we've had to fascism is Nazism and the core tenets of fascism (by which I mean rejection of liberal democracy) are pretty un-American. I know you may disagree, but we were made to be a bastion of liberal democracy

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aldaur, Oelesa

Baxten wrote:I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being 100% Conservative, but both you and I know it wouldn't go to well with people that have anything close to liberal leanings

You've gotta excuse the American public. The only exposure we've had to fascism is Nazism and the core tenets of fascism (by which I mean rejection of liberal democracy) are pretty un-American. I know you may disagree, but we were made to be a bastion of liberal democracy

So essentially, liberals hate Trump's personality and a lot of his policies, but they hate all of Pence's proposed policies despite his personality. Got it.

The American public is stupid, so.... :p

Also, you may have missed it, but I renounced my Fascist beliefs earlier :p

Oelesa

Aldaur wrote:So essentially, liberals hate Trump's personality and a lot of his policies, but they hate all of Pence's proposed policies despite his personality. Got it.

The American public is stupid, so.... :p

Also, you may have missed it, but I renounced my Fascist beliefs earlier :p

Yes, exactly

Eh, I have no rebuttal for that one.

Wait, what! That's new to me. Is your nation still fascist?

Aldaur, Oelesa

Aldaur wrote:Ik I asked this before, but why do liberals hate Pence so much besides the conversion therapy? Like, how is he worse than any other Republican?

As a liberal, I can find modest respect for some other Republicans. Rand Paul matches up with my more libertarian side. McCain opposed torture. Romney compromised and had a lot of liberal ideas, can't really be governor of Massachusetts and not have at least a few. Kasich actually knew what he was talking about. And Rubio was at least an attractive shade of orange compared to Trump.

Pence really has nothing redeemable in the eyes of many democrats. He's a fundamentalist that opposes gay rights and wants intelligent design taught in schools. He defended tobacco companies and pushed that tobacco products weren't actually that bad for your health. Then take those two, then add that if you looked up Republican in the dictionary you'd probably have a picture of Mike Pence riding an elephant with a copy of the PATRIOT Act tattooed on his chest.

While people don't like Trump, Trump has done things that has placated liberals a little bit. The more sensible non-SJW ones, anyway. For instance, he's not really against Gay Rights, not even against Trans Rights all that much either. He is against TPP, which liberals and conservatives alike were against. He's actually sitting there and willing to point out that Israel is doing some unsavory things such as illegal settlements, and that they should stop if a peace deal is to be reached between Palestine and Israel. Trump, despite his uncouth antics and his irrational behavior sometimes does have some redemption in a lot of liberal eyes. That is when you compare him to Pence, who from a liberal perspective is a textbook career Republican Fundamentalist.

Naturally, a few of us are okay with Trump being in power as opposed to Pence.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Oelesa, Kalaron, Magnatronia

Trump is okay

but

Orca should be god emperor of this region

Baxten wrote:Yes, exactly

Eh, I have no rebuttal for that one.

Wait, what! That's new to me. Is your nation still fascist?

Lol yea I have decided to use my years of studying how to destroy, errode and subvert democracy and work to defend Our Republic instead. I am embracing constitutionalism, directorialism, ordoliberalism (with a hint of dirigisme), free trade, interventionism, personal conservativism and social tolerance. I am no longer a Fascist because I do not believe in the violent, reactionary, illiberal (as in against constitutionalism) and tyrannical tendencies of Fascism. I still hold some sympathies such as nationalism, cultural palingenesis, third positionism, and action, but I'd like to differentiate between violent action (don't support) and legitimate action (do support). I've also railed against populism in the past, but I've decided that while I still prefer an elite to make decisions, there needs to be a greater outlit for popular demand. With that in mind, I narrowed by definition of what I dislike, and that is reactionaryism (both on the right and left). The passions of men are dangerous. I will also still defend Fascism as it is very misunderstood, even though I am no longer a Fascist.

My nation is the same :p

Baxten

Sulania wrote:As a liberal, I can find modest respect for some other Republicans. Rand Paul matches up with my more libertarian side. McCain opposed torture. Romney compromised and had a lot of liberal ideas, can't really be governor of Massachusetts and not have at least a few. Kasich actually knew what he was talking about. And Rubio was at least an attractive shade of orange compared to Trump.

Pence really has nothing redeemable in the eyes of many democrats. He's a fundamentalist that opposes gay rights and wants intelligent design taught in schools. He defended tobacco companies and pushed that tobacco products weren't actually that bad for your health. Then take those two, then add that if you looked up Republican in the dictionary you'd probably have a picture of Mike Pence riding an elephant with a copy of the PATRIOT Act tattooed on his chest.

While people don't like Trump, Trump has done things that has placated liberals a little bit. The more sensible non-SJW ones, anyway. For instance, he's not really against Gay Rights, not even against Trans Rights all that much either. He is against TPP, which liberals and conservatives alike were against. He's actually sitting there and willing to point out that Israel is doing some unsavory things such as illegal settlements, and that they should stop if a peace deal is to be reached between Palestine and Israel. Trump, despite his uncouth antics and his irrational behavior sometimes does have some redemption in a lot of liberal eyes. That is when you compare him to Pence, who from a liberal perspective is a textbook career Republican Fundamentalist.

Naturally, a few of us are okay with Trump being in power as opposed to Pence.

I'd still prefer Pence. I'd be okay with having a textbook fundamentalist Republican. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I still like him better. The only things I don't agree with about him that you mentioned is on gay rights and tobacco. Everything else is fine for the most part. I don't love it, but it is fine.

Sulania wrote:As a liberal, I can find modest respect for some other Republicans. Rand Paul matches up with my more libertarian side. McCain opposed torture. Romney compromised and had a lot of liberal ideas, can't really be governor of Massachusetts and not have at least a few. Kasich actually knew what he was talking about. And Rubio was at least an attractive shade of orange compared to Trump.

Pence really has nothing redeemable in the eyes of many democrats. He's a fundamentalist that opposes gay rights and wants intelligent design taught in schools. He defended tobacco companies and pushed that tobacco products weren't actually that bad for your health. Then take those two, then add that if you looked up Republican in the dictionary you'd probably have a picture of Mike Pence riding an elephant with a copy of the PATRIOT Act tattooed on his chest.

While people don't like Trump, Trump has done things that has placated liberals a little bit. The more sensible non-SJW ones, anyway. For instance, [B]1. he's not really against Gay Rights, not even against Trans Rights all that much either[/B]. He is against TPP, which liberals and conservatives alike were against. [B]2. He's actually sitting there and willing to point out that Israel is doing some unsavory things such as illegal settlements, and that they should stop if a peace deal is to be reached between Palestine and Israel.[/B] Trump, despite his uncouth antics and his irrational behavior sometimes does have some redemption in a lot of liberal eyes. That is when you compare him to Pence, who from a liberal perspective is a textbook career Republican Fundamentalist.

Naturally, a few of us are okay with Trump being in power as opposed to Pence.

I agree with most of that, except for a couple things:

1. Even before he ran for President, he was inconsistent on gay and trans rights. He's given statements both for and against gay marriage, he's taking both an opposed and 'leave it to the states to decide' position on North Carolina's bathroom bill, and he said he would sign the First Amendment Defense Act (which would essentially legalize discrimination if people's religious beliefs tell them to discriminate). He's certainely better on LGBT issues than most Republicans, but I think his stances so far are too contradictory to pin him down as pro-LGBT or anti-LGBT; I personally think he just wants to use LGBT people as a prop to show how tolerant and accepting he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration#LGBT_issues

2. Perhaps, but a lot of Trump's rhetoric has been pretty pro-Israel (for instance, claiming the Obama administration mistreated Israel when Obama called Israel out for their shady sh*t), he's said stuff like "We love Israel, we will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1000 percent, it will be there forever," he's supported further settlements by Israel, and he seems to be ambivalent about supporting a two-state solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Israel_and_Israeli.E2.80.93Palestinian_conflict

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4799194,00.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/world/middleeast/trump-israel-two-state-solution.html?_r=0

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:I'd still prefer Pence. I'd be okay with having a textbook fundamentalist Republican. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I still like him better. The only things I don't agree with about him that you mentioned is on gay rights and tobacco. Everything else is fine for the most part. I don't love it, but it is fine.

Would rather have a Rubio. Now that is a man that I'd have no problem calling "Daddy."

And yes, that was a spin on what Milo calls the Trumpster.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Oelesa, Kalaron, Magnatronia

Sulania wrote:Would rather have a Rubio. Now that is a man that I'd have no problem calling "Daddy."

And yes, that was a spin on what Milo calls the Trumpster.

Meh, Rubio is okay. I think he is definitely the future of the Republican Party, but he needs to actually do his job in the Senate and then run for Governor or something. He just needs moe experience. We don't need another 1 term Senator (ik he has more experience, but still not a lot). Though anything is better than no experience. Cough* Cough* Looks at Trump*

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:I agree with most of that, except for a couple things:

1. Even before he ran for President, he was inconsistent on gay and trans rights. He's given statements both for and against gay marriage, he's taking both an opposed and 'leave it to the states to decide' position on North Carolina's bathroom bill, and he said he would sign the First Amendment Defense Act (which would essentially legalize discrimination if people's religious beliefs tell them to discriminate). He's certainely better on LGBT issues than most Republicans, but I think his stances so far are too contradictory to pin him down as pro-LGBT or anti-LGBT; I personally think he just wants to use LGBT people as a prop to show how tolerant and accepting he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration#LGBT_issues

2. Perhaps, but a lot of Trump's rhetoric has been pretty pro-Israel (for instance, claiming the Obama administration mistreated Israel when Obama called Israel out for their shady sh*t), he's said stuff like "We love Israel, we will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1000 percent, it will be there forever," he's supported further settlements by Israel, and he seems to be ambivalent about supporting a two-state solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration#Israel_and_Israeli.E2.80.93Palestinian_conflict

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4799194,00.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/world/middleeast/trump-israel-two-state-solution.html?_r=0

1) Note how I said "he's not really against Gay Rights." Naturally there is conflicting statements, but when you take a lot of what his established policies are and take into consideration all of what he said, he's much better than Pence and the Conservative Mainstream when it comes to LGBT Rights.

2) Rhetoric is rhetoric. You're not going to go far without at least saying you support Israel, which in actuality is still one of the most liberal places in the Middle East despite their treatment of the Palestinians. Trump, while pushing support Israel, has criticized the policy of illegal settlements as not helping efforts for peace.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-settler-group-brushes-trump-settlement-warning-n716456

http://thehill.com/policy/international/318945-trump-new-israeli-settlements-wont-help-peace-process

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Kalaron

Sulania wrote:1) Note how I said "he's not really against Gay Rights." Naturally there is conflicting statements, but when you take a lot of what his established policies are and take into consideration all of what he said, he's much better than Pence and the Conservative Mainstream when it comes to LGBT Rights.

2) Rhetoric is rhetoric. You're not going to go far without at least saying you support Israel, which in actuality is still one of the most liberal places in the Middle East despite their treatment of the Palestinians. Trump, while pushing support Israel, has criticized the policy of illegal settlements as not helping efforts for peace.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-settler-group-brushes-trump-settlement-warning-n716456

http://thehill.com/policy/international/318945-trump-new-israeli-settlements-wont-help-peace-process

Ik I am going to get flack for this, but I could care less about the Palestinians. If they wanted to be cooperative, maybe I'd care about what Israel does to them, but I just don't. The Palestinians are a bunch of stubborn pricks. At least Israel is willing to cooperate. Israel isn't perfect and should be criticized, but from a strategic standpoint and unless things really change, we should always support Israel.

How about instead of being pro-Israel, or pro-Palestine, or a two-state solution, we have a zero-state solution. Just block off that land from anyone. Let no one lay claim to that piece of land.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:How about instead of being pro-Israel, or pro-Palestine, or a two-state solution, we have a zero-state solution. Just block off that land from anyone. Let no one lay claim to that piece of land.

Because I am pro-Israel lol Honestly, I don't even like a two state solution that much. I don't care what is fair, but what is good for America. An Israeli State is much more stable and prosperous than a Palestinian State could ever be. They'd be poor, terrorist ridden and anti-US. No thank you.

Einsiev

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:How about instead of being pro-Israel, or pro-Palestine, or a two-state solution, we have a zero-state solution. Just block off that land from anyone. Let no one lay claim to that piece of land.

It won't work. Someone wants that land. There are reasons it's so hotly contested.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

I must take the opportunity to say that Palestine is run by Hamas. On public television, Mahmoud Abbas stated that "A Palestinian who takes a vehicle and runs into Jews is a hero." The settlements which are being built are completely legal and pose no threat to Palestinians. The residents of Palestine are the ones who have been consistently terrorizing Israel and might I add that the Palestinians are not an ethnic group. They are a conglomerate of Arabs (mostly Jordanians) who have taken up violent action against a peaceful state. Israeli civilians are living under constant threats from Palestinian rocket attacks, car ramming attacks, stabbings and shootings. The Israelis have treated the civilians so well yet Hamas skews the minds of the children to believe that Jihad against Israelis will pave their way to "Paradise". Now tell me, what had Israel done to harm the Palestinians even when droves of them have moved into Israel in recent years?

Aldaur

Sulania wrote:1) Note how I said "he's not really against Gay Rights." Naturally there is conflicting statements, but when you take a lot of what his established policies are and take into consideration all of what he said, he's much better than Pence and the Conservative Mainstream when it comes to LGBT Rights.

2) Rhetoric is rhetoric. You're not going to go far without at least saying you support Israel, which in actuality is still one of the most liberal places in the Middle East despite their treatment of the Palestinians. Trump, while pushing support Israel, has criticized the policy of illegal settlements as not helping efforts for peace.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israeli-settler-group-brushes-trump-settlement-warning-n716456

http://thehill.com/policy/international/318945-trump-new-israeli-settlements-wont-help-peace-process

1. Fair enough, but 'being better than Pence and the mainstream GOP' is a fairly low bar to clear.

2. I see your point, but like with LGBT rights and many other things, it seems Trump's stance on Israel is too contradictory to solidly pin down: while his comments about always supporting Israel and supporting settlements are from the campaign, his ambivalence towards a two-state solution comes from about the same time that Trump criticized the Israeli settlements.

Aldaur

Oh lord another Israel debate. Im gonna go make plans with Oel of uniting the German people under our glorious Reich.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Oelesa

Baxten wrote:Oh lord another Israel debate. Im gonna go make plans with Oel of uniting the German people under our glorious Reich.

Not if I form a supreme Czech Reich.

Aldaur

Baxten wrote:Oh lord another Israel debate. Im gonna go make plans with Oel of uniting the German people under our glorious Reich.

oh yea, how's that going? On another note, how are you two going to RP post-unification, if you noticed, the Jotunheim Collective claimed a spot pretty close to me ;)

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:1. Fair enough, but 'being better than Pence and the mainstream GOP' is a fairly low bar to clear.

2. I see your point, but like with LGBT rights and many other things, it seems Trump's stance on Israel is too contradictory to solidly pin down: while his comments about always supporting Israel and supporting settlements are from the campaign, his ambivalence towards a two-state solution comes from about the same time that Trump criticized the Israeli settlements.

1) Fair Enough

2) This is also very true, and it is disheartening to see his idea of a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict boil down to "I like the one that both parties (Israel and Palestine) like."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExYCFgnFwtY

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Kalaron

Einsiev wrote:Not if I form a supreme Czech Reich.

Ein, hate to crush your dreams, but you're a fascist surrounded by communist and the ITF. I can gurentee that the ITF won't hurt you, but we won't help you if you're invaded.

Unless you join...

Aldaur, Magnatronia

Andromitus wrote:oh yea, how's that going? On another note, how are you two going to RP post-unification, if you noticed, the Jotunheim Collective claimed a spot pretty close to me ;)

It's going really good. We just designed our capital city to be a futuristic coastal city with the government having and imperial complex outside of it

Aldaur

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Baxten wrote:Ein, hate to crush your dreams, but you're a fascist surrounded by communist and the ITF. I can gurentee that the ITF won't hurt you, but we won't help you if you're invaded.

Unless you join...

*glares* Watchin' you Baxxy ol' pal

Baxten wrote:It's going really good. We just designed our capital city to be a futuristic coastal city with the government having and imperial complex outside of it

I'm guessing you two are going to act sort of like a duel diplomat kinda thing so you can both RP in the same game?

Baxten wrote:Ein, hate to crush your dreams, but you're a fascist surrounded by communist and the ITF. I can gurentee that the ITF won't hurt you, but we won't help you if you're invaded.

Unless you join...

Surrounded by Communists and the ITF, basically a capitalist alliance. Wow, throw Aldaur's Pacific Empire and Lat in with him, and we got the makings of a near-carbon copy of World War II. :P

Aldaur, Kalaron, Magnatronia

Sulania wrote:Surrounded by Communists and the ITF, basically a capitalist alliance. Wow, throw Aldaur's Pacific Empire and Lat in with him, and we got the makings of a near-carbon copy of World War II. :P

Except I am in the ITF :p

Baxten wrote:Ein, hate to crush your dreams, but you're a fascist surrounded by communist and the ITF. I can gurentee that the ITF won't hurt you, but we won't help you if you're invaded.

Unless you join...

I refuse to hand my people over without knowledge of the regime. I stand alone until I am given more information on your Reich.

Aldaur

Andromitus wrote:*glares* Watchin' you Baxxy ol' pal

I'm guessing you two are going to act sort of like a duel diplomat kinda thing so you can both RP in the same game?

lol

Pretty much. I think I'll create a singular account for the Reich

Sulania wrote:Surrounded by Communists and the ITF, basically a capitalist alliance. Wow, throw Aldaur's Pacific Empire and Lat in with him, and we got the makings of a near-carbon copy of World War II. :P

Exactly. Scary times we live in.

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Except I am in the ITF :p

Aww, too bad.

To be fair, I don't know where my nation would match up in that. The Socialist State under a capitalist federation would be kind of a unique thing back then.

Aldaur, Kalaron

Einsiev wrote:I refuse to hand my people over without knowledge of the regime. I stand alone until I am given more information on your Reich.

Oh, you don't have to join or anything. Basically, we're uniting the German and Dutch (which I may make more German) into one nation.

Einsiev, Aldaur

Sulania wrote:Aww, too bad.

To be fair, I don't know where my nation would match up in that. The Socialist State under a capitalist federation would be kind of a unique thing back then.

If certain things happen and you join the Reich, you could easily lead a democratic socialist bloc in our legislatiee.

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Ik I am going to get flack for this, but I could care less about the Palestinians. If they wanted to be cooperative, maybe I'd care about what Israel does to them, but I just don't. The Palestinians are a bunch of stubborn pricks. At least Israel is willing to cooperate. Israel isn't perfect and should be criticized, but from a strategic standpoint and unless things really change, we should always support Israel.

No.

I'm sorry, but you legit just went completely counter to the COIN field manual, and that was written with years of experience with what worked and what didn't.

First, force needs to be scaled to inspire people into understanding that you mean no harm.

We don't send troops dressed as death squads with Abrams behind 'em, we don't buzz villages to intimidate the villagers and we don't use WP or carpet bomb. We refuse to do these things -yes because they cost money too- because they are horrible for establishing any sort of peace.

Israel used White phosphorus over dense areas of Gaza, they used flechette Canister shells, they use Artillery whenever a rocket is launched by Hamas. Their people are willing to support soldiers who fire upon already wounded boys in cold blood, and their efforts to "negotiate" have never been fair to the Palestinians.

There will never be peace while this persists. You simply cannot say "Throw out Hamas!" while bombing the heavily populated areas they operate out of, you simply cannot offer a man a peanut after stealing his fortune and you simply cannot reconcile with a state while taking its land.

Israel by this point is as much an obstacle to peace as Palestine is, and a true two state solution can not be made by the current leadership.

Sulania

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