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Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh. Why do you do that?

Because it's fun.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

sobs in belgian

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Croatia is our only hope now in a new world cup champion

Russkov Soviet, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:Because it's fun.

Is it?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Mercunova

Croatia (Damn you) or England all the way!

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Russkov Soviet wrote:Audiastan, In recognition of your upcoming citizenship and indoctrination onto the map... I have created a banner to welcome you to the creation of the Motherland's Finest Armed Forces!

Nuremgard, You have been cordially invited to the Alliance as well.

Chernarus State, I had wished to invite you as well, but in accordance with our agreement, I will leave that up to you. The Soviet Union and the Russian Federation have done enough to hurt your people, and I do not wish the Equestrian Federation to become the third.

Good on you, Russ! I'm always glad to see nations that want to establish good relations with their neighbors.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

Bonus (Technology): Steam engines. They are cool to look at and are fascinating objects created by human mind. Stirling engines are also fascinating creations.

Emily: As a Stirling engine myself, thank you Peng! We may look old-fashioned now, but we were state-of-the-art back in our day, and many people and even other engines think we're quite lovely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNR_Stirling_4-2-2

Percy: Indeed. And I'm also happy to report that steam engines never really went away. They may not be in main line use in most places, but you can still find plenty of working steam engines on Sodor, and on heritage railways all over the world! There are even heritage railways in Germany if you're interested!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Heritage_railways_in_Germany

Jaslandia wrote:

Bonus: The Germans once developed a rail zeppelin, which ran on petrol and had propellers. It was impractical and unsafe, but part of me would like something like that back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schienenzeppelin

Having actual (air) zeppelins back would also be nice.

Hugo: As a rail zeppelin, I appreciate your appreciation. I'm well-aware of how dangerous my propeller can be, especially when in a station, but on the upside, I am very fast! And I have heard of the air zeppelins as well. In fact, when I first arrived on Sodor, I wanted to fly like a zeppelin! Sir Topham Hatt and Thomas eventually convinced me that I'm meant to ride on rails on the ground, not up in the sky. And I'm starting to prefer the ground anyway.

https://youtu.be/-1cieFSYwI8

Mercunova wrote:Tonight's the night I give myself a physical.

I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds uncomfortable.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Didn't know I am Minister of Justice since November 5th, 2017.

That is a very long time! Congrats, Peng! You deserve it!

Au Minbo wrote:sobs in belgian

Oh yeah, I heard Belgium lost to France in the World Cup. I met a Belgian engine named Axel at the Great Railway Show a few years back, and I imagine he isn't happy right now. On the other hand, Millie over at Ulfstead Castle is French, and I imagine she is very happy. I'm going to be taking some supplies to Ulfstead Castle tomorrow, so I'll get to see just how happy Millie is.

Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Emily: As a Stirling engine myself, thank you Peng! We may look old-fashioned now, but we were state-of-the-art back in our day, and many people and even other engines think we're quite lovely.

I originally meant this type of Stirling engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine.

But as I said steam engines (stationary and mobile) are always a pleasure to watch.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh. Why do you do that?

Gotta make sure you're in tip-top shape, of course!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Percyton wrote:Good on you, Russ! I'm always glad to see nations that want to establish good relations with their neighbors.

Emily: As a Stirling engine myself, thank you Peng! We may look old-fashioned now, but we were state-of-the-art back in our day, and many people and even other engines think we're quite lovely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNR_Stirling_4-2-2

Percy: Indeed. And I'm also happy to report that steam engines never really went away. They may not be in main line use in most places, but you can still find plenty of working steam engines on Sodor, and on heritage railways all over the world! There are even heritage railways in Germany if you're interested!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Heritage_railways_in_Germany

Hugo: As a rail zeppelin, I appreciate your appreciation. I'm well-aware of how dangerous my propeller can be, especially when in a station, but on the upside, I am very fast! And I have heard of the air zeppelins as well. In fact, when I first arrived on Sodor, I wanted to fly like a zeppelin! Sir Topham Hatt and Thomas eventually convinced me that I'm meant to ride on rails on the ground, not up in the sky. And I'm starting to prefer the ground anyway.

https://youtu.be/-1cieFSYwI8

I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds uncomfortable.

That is a very long time! Congrats, Peng! You deserve it!

Oh yeah, I heard Belgium lost to France in the World Cup. I met a Belgian engine named Axel at the Great Railway Show a few years back, and I imagine he isn't happy right now. On the other hand, Millie over at Ulfstead Castle is French, and I imagine she is very happy. I'm going to be taking some supplies to Ulfstead Castle tomorrow, so I'll get to see just how happy Millie is.

You might be dangerous, but at least you aren't the hyperloop :p

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I originally meant this type of Stirling engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine.

But as I said steam engines (stationary and mobile) are always a pleasure to watch.

Emily: Oh. My mistake.

Sir Topham Hatt: Although, I'd say stationary steam engines aren't completely gone either. A lot of modern technologies are either a modified or further developed form of a steam engine. Well done, Mr. Watt!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt

Kalaron wrote:You might be dangerous, but at least you aren't the hyperloop :p

Hugo: I'm not sure what a 'hyperloop' is, so I shall take your word for it.

Hugo's driver: It's a type of train. It's supposed to move through tubes like a subway, only a hyperloop would move much faster and efficiently because it wouldn't have any air resistance or friction. That Elon Musk is working on something like that.

Hugo: Oh. What is so dangerous about that? It sounds like an excellent idea.

Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:Emily: Oh. My mistake.

Sir Topham Hatt: Although, I'd say stationary steam engines aren't completely gone either. A lot of modern technologies are either a modified or further developed form of a steam engine. Well done, Mr. Watt!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt

Hugo: I'm not sure what a 'hyperloop' is, so I shall take your word for it.

Hugo's driver: It's a type of train. It's supposed to move through tubes like a subway, only a hyperloop would move much faster and efficiently because it wouldn't have any air resistance or friction. That Elon Musk is working on something like that.

Hugo: Oh. What is so dangerous about that? It sounds like an excellent idea.

Well sure, except you'd need ridiculously thick steel to do it for the tube around it (Air abhors a vacuum on earth) or the tube would shatter and two tons of air would rocket down the tubes in both directions at the speed of sound.

When it hits the terminals, of course, it will explode into an overpressure of about 10-15psi, that's enough to tear hollow sacks like an organ up.

Any number of things, however, will make it even worse including heat (the expansion of metal means that there will be "high" and "low" zones in the vacuum that would derail the tube and make it explode out the side with the situation from before happening, it also hasn't ever worked because friction is still a massive problem.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Nuremgard, your national colors have been added to the banner!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Russkov Soviet wrote:Nuremgard, your national colors have been added to the banner!

Protect the Motherland!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

One of my favorite artists is from Singapore, so I have to vote Singapore on the poll. Lol

Russkov Soviet

Kalaron wrote:Well sure, except you'd need ridiculously thick steel to do it for the tube around it (Air abhors a vacuum on earth) or the tube would shatter and two tons of air would rocket down the tubes in both directions at the speed of sound.

When it hits the terminals, of course, it will explode into an overpressure of about 10-15psi, that's enough to tear hollow sacks like an organ up.

Any number of things, however, will make it even worse including heat (the expansion of metal means that there will be "high" and "low" zones in the vacuum that would derail the tube and make it explode out the side with the situation from before happening, it also hasn't ever worked because friction is still a massive problem.

Also, I feel compelled to mention that the Hyperloop is just the Vac-Train with a new name after Elon claimed he made the idea...nearly a century after the real inventor did.

Percyton

Notice

A statement from the Chancellery will be made later today.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

Just a friendly reminder.

You guys are all the best and I love this region.

That is all.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona, Percyton, The British Islands Confederacy

Joint Statement of the Chancellor and Minister of Justice

Fellow Citizens,

Over the past few days, statements of an overtly sexual nature have been posted in the region’s recognized Discord, linked in our WFE.

The Chancellery and Ministry of Justice would like to make it clear that this is frowned upon. We consider a Discord linked in a NationStates WFE to be an extension of NationStates, and that it falls under our own criminal code. Taking this belief, we consider these statements to be wholly inappropriate by the manner in which and the place where they were given.

Statements such as those may be construed as harassment, and any citizen who feels harassed is perfectly at liberty to take action with the Supreme Court, in accordance with the Constitution and regional law. If you don’t know, we do have minors operating nations in this region.

As long as the Confederacy of Free Nations Discord is officially recognized by law it is the view of this Government that the messages posted within it should remain in line with the vulgarity guidelines of NationStates.

Formal complaints of harassment under the Criminal Code, Law #002, are required to be actioned on by a Justice to the fullest extent regional law allows. If you have been harassed, in any situation whatsoever, please be sure to tell a public official named in the WFE.

Statements made in personal Discord servers, on the other hand, which more than a few of us in this region have, are not under the purview of regional law and therefore not actionable. Vulgar posts and comments would more appropriately be made in these private, unlinked servers.

We remain in support of the Discord Administration Organization and Unfallious, its Director, as they issue and enforce strict policy regarding content of this nature. The policy of the Director can be viewed as the policy of this Government.

The Cabinet does not wish in any way to imply limits on the freedom of speech of our Citizens. We merely want to ensure our region remains in line with the rules we’ve given ourselves and that a proper level of decency is maintained within our official institutions, as it would be on NationStates proper and in our Forums.

Thank you.

Mercunova

Chancellor

Penguania And Antarctica

Minister of Justice

Continental Commonwealths

Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Valleian Orders

Minister of Internal Affairs

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton, The British Islands Confederacy

What is up with that Croatian player just sitting on the field. It looked like he was telling people to go away

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

Yessssssssssss

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Croatia beat England.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

Hope France win. Supporting them out of respect for the Auld Alliance. ;)

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Mercunova wrote:-snip-

ghey but understandable, though I'll admit to being a little uncomfortable about this

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Mercunova wrote:-Snip-

NS Moderation Ruling on the Matter: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=446475

Russkov Soviet, Kalaron

Russkov Soviet wrote:Audiastan, In recognition of your upcoming citizenship and indoctrination onto the map... I have created a banner to welcome you to the creation of the Motherland's Finest Armed Forces!

Nuremgard, You have been cordially invited to the Alliance as well.

Chernarus State, I had wished to invite you as well, but in accordance with our agreement, I will leave that up to you. The Soviet Union and the Russian Federation have done enough to hurt your people, and I do not wish the Equestrian Federation to become the third.

Just gonna put this out there since I've had this on my mind for a while: you are aware we were never part of the Soviet Union nor the Russian Federation - the former was a political union a la Union State, our name does not mean we were a Republic of the Soviet Union (besides, we had our revolution more than a decade ahead of the Russian one: the name's purely coincidence), and the latter it should be made explicitly clear that while we hold Russian territory in real life (and I mean the map), we were never under threat of the Russians (on the contrary, I feel that Chernarus did far worse to the Russians what with all the unconfirmed government-led massacres of the Cherno-Russian populace). All that aside, RP-wise I politely decline this offer and will remain neutral to the Federation's decisions with other countries.

Russkov Soviet, Percyton

Chernarus State wrote:Just gonna put this out there since I've had this on my mind for a while: you are aware we were never part of the Soviet Union nor the Russian Federation - the former was a political union a la Union State, our name does not mean we were a Republic of the Soviet Union (besides, we had our revolution more than a decade ahead of the Russian one: the name's purely coincidence), and the latter it should be made explicitly clear that while we hold Russian territory in real life (and I mean the map), we were never under threat of the Russians (on the contrary, I feel that Chernarus did far worse to the Russians what with all the unconfirmed government-led massacres of the Cherno-Russian populace). All that aside, RP-wise I politely decline this offer and will remain neutral to the Federation's decisions with other countries.

I see. I understand. And I also think I was mistaking you with another nation I was talking to under one of my puppets, for your national standards look similar. Sorry about the confusion.

Percyton

In what country is the middle finger a frequently used hand gesture?

Russkov Soviet

Gualimole wrote:In what country is the middle finger a frequently used hand gesture?

The USA

Russkov Soviet wrote:The USA

That's exactly what a Russian sympathizer would say.

Russkov Soviet

Gualimole wrote:That's exactly what a Russian sympathizer would say.

That's exactly what a person with a child fetish would say

Bearlong, Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Chernarus State wrote:That's exactly what a person with a child fetish would say

Y o u

A r e

M y

F a v o u r i t e

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Chernarus State, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Chernarus State wrote:That's exactly what a person with a child fetish would say

https://youtu.be/IjfwNwyhzXQ?t=3m20s

Chernarus State, Percyton

So it seems like England lost to Croatia. What a shame. There are a lot of disappointed engines on Sodor, let me tell you. On the bright side, Millie is quite happy over France's victory, and some of the Axeldonian engines are celebrating Croatia's victory (since both Croatia and Axeldonia are Balkan nations). And at the end of the day, everyone played hard, so they should all be proud!

Russkov Soviet wrote:Just a friendly reminder.

You guys are all the best and I love this region.

That is all.

Thank you, Russ! We love you too!

Kalaron wrote:Well sure, except you'd need ridiculously thick steel to do it for the tube around it (Air abhors a vacuum on earth) or the tube would shatter and two tons of air would rocket down the tubes in both directions at the speed of sound.

When it hits the terminals, of course, it will explode into an overpressure of about 10-15psi, that's enough to tear hollow sacks like an organ up.

Any number of things, however, will make it even worse including heat (the expansion of metal means that there will be "high" and "low" zones in the vacuum that would derail the tube and make it explode out the side with the situation from before happening, it also hasn't ever worked because friction is still a massive problem.

Hugo: That is interesting. My driver explained to me the stuff about pressure and vacuums, and you do bring up some valid points. It is a shame this 'hyperloop' has so many problems; it seemed like such a good idea in theory.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Minister of Justice Announcement

Based on the latest event, the governments reaction to it, the rising discontent with the current government and its policies I hereby declare:

From today on:

1. I'll officially hold my office in abeyance.

2. The Constable Yukona stays in office but is no longer obliged to intervene.

3. Due to 1. and 2. no or just limited prosecution is possible. Any complaints shall be forwarded to the SC.

Furthermore I announce that I will make my office available at the next election. May this region find a better Minister of Justice because I have failed my mission.

Yours faithfully,

-Peng-

Minister of Justice

Vista Major, Yukona

Percyton wrote:So it seems like England lost to Croatia. What a shame. There are a lot of disappointed engines on Sodor, let me tell you. On the bright side, Millie is quite happy over France's victory, and some of the Axeldonian engines are celebrating Croatia's victory (since both Croatia and Axeldonia are Balkan nations). And at the end of the day, everyone played hard, so they should all be proud!

Thank you, Russ! We love you too!

Hugo: That is interesting. My driver explained to me the stuff about pressure and vacuums, and you do bring up some valid points. It is a shame this 'hyperloop' has so many problems; it seemed like such a good idea in theory.

That's the sad thing, yeah. It's been a good idea in theory for over 114 years now with much, much less development than rocketry. If you ever have spare time, Percy, and the driver is free, ask him to show you some of Thunderfoot's videos on scientific matters. He does a good job of disabusing people of rosy lies.

The other sad thing is that this is a staple of Elon. You can expect him to lie about quite a lot and people just eat it up anyway. There's more if you want to hear it.

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfortunately Plebian Trump has landed in the UK

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Unfortunately Plebian Trump has landed in the UK

It seems that today in the UK is Orange Day. Trump has landed and the Orange Order are marching in Ireland.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:It seems that today in the UK is Orange Day. Trump has landed and the Orange Order are marching in Ireland.

Did you know the orange order was founded by Trump to protect the rights of orange cretins who lack a basic understanding of any aspects of governance

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Did you know the orange order was founded by Trump to protect the rights of orange cretins who lack a basic understanding of any aspects of governance

Have you heard all the wee Trump snowflakes in Britain whining about the balloon? Saying it's "childish" and how "it says more about the protesters than about Trump" and how he is "more than welcome here as the President of the US."

The cringe and subservience is strong. I thought these people were supposed to love freedom of expression?

Nuremgard wrote:Have you heard all the wee Trump snowflakes in Britain whining about the balloon? Saying it's "childish" and how "it says more about the protesters than about Trump" and how he is "more than welcome here as the President of the US."

The cringe and subservience is strong. I thought these people were supposed to love freedom of expression?

I haven’t, no. In fact, I’ve heard quite the opposite. I really do question where you get this information from half the time mate

Yukona wrote:I haven’t, no. In fact, I’ve heard quite the opposite. I really do question where you get this information from half the time mate

Comments on various newspapers, people phoning in on radio shows to complain that the balloon is pathetic.

Nuremgard wrote:Comments on various newspapers, people phoning in on radio shows to complain that the balloon is pathetic.

You really shouldn’t let that form your opinion it’s all bots anyway, and the people that do comment are either controversial or have an exterior motive, normal people don’t just normally comment sh*te on news articles you know what I’m saying

Yukona wrote:You really shouldn’t let that form your opinion it’s all bots anyway, and the people that do comment are either controversial or have an exterior motive, normal people don’t just normally comment sh*te on news articles you know what I’m saying

I would like to hope that it's only a minority in Britain who like/support Trump.

Nuremgard wrote:I would like to hope that it's only a minority in Britain who like/support Trump.

I wouldn’t hope mate, I’d be certain lol.

Mercunova

Yukona wrote:I wouldn’t hope mate, I’d be certain lol.

I wish he wasn't coming to Scotland. Prick.

Everestopia

Nuremgard wrote:I wish he wasn't coming to Scotland. Prick.

Well he is part Scottish

Yukona wrote:Well he is part Scottish

He's American. He was born in America. He might have a Scottish mother but he is American.

Everestopia, Mercunova

This question is mainly posed to my fellow Brits here but anyone else is free to put their opinion forward too. Should there be a referendum on Britain's final deal with the EU, with an option to Remain on the ballot? Perhaps Parliament should vote on the final deal? Or should it be left to the executive?

If there was a second referendum, I wouldn't vote in it. While I want to be part of the EU, I see the Brexit fiasco as another opportunity for Scotland to leave the UK. I would not want to vote to stay in the EU as this would help increase the majority for Remain across the UK, thus removing the justification for another indyref. But I would also not vote to accept or reject the deal because I could not in good conscience vote for a decision that would inflict economic damage on the UK, as I foolishly did when I voted Leave in the first referendum.

Those would be my reasons for abstaining. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Chernarus State wrote:That's exactly what a person with a child fetish would say

Kalaron wrote:Y o u

A r e

M y

F a v o u r i t e

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/IjfwNwyhzXQ?t=3m20s

You people talk about it more than I do. Also, I wouldn't call it a fetish.

Mercunova, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:He's American. He was born in America. He might have a Scottish mother but he is American.

Yeah but part of him is Scottish right

Fun fact, although the presence of Helium-3 in Lunar regolith is often touted as being a reason for the economic commercialization of space, it's abundence is laughably small. So small, in fact, that you would need to process 150 million tons of regolith to get a single ton of Helium-3.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Yukona wrote:Yeah but part of him is Scottish right

Unfortunately.

Mercunova

Kalaron wrote:Fun fact, although the presence of Helium-3 in Lunar regolith is often touted as being a reason for the economic commercialization of space, it's abundence is laughably small. So small, in fact, that you would need to process 150 million tons of regolith to get a single ton of Helium-3.

Fun "fact:" A regolith is a hunk of calcified blood from Regis Philbin.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Gualimole

https://amp.businessinsider.com/russia-admits-defeat-su-57-not-going-into-mass-production-2018-7?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral

*laughs in US*

So, it looks like the AL-41s might never come now, what with the SU-57 not actually being mass produced. Turns out that Russia is less great than thought.

Nuremgard wrote:This question is mainly posed to my fellow Brits here but anyone else is free to put their opinion forward too. Should there be a referendum on Britain's final deal with the EU, with an option to Remain on the ballot? Perhaps Parliament should vote on the final deal? Or should it be left to the executive?

If there was a second referendum, I wouldn't vote in it. While I want to be part of the EU, I see the Brexit fiasco as another opportunity for Scotland to leave the UK. I would not want to vote to stay in the EU as this would help increase the majority for Remain across the UK, thus removing the justification for another indyref. But I would also not vote to accept or reject the deal because I could not in good conscience vote for a decision that would inflict economic damage on the UK, as I foolishly did when I voted Leave in the first referendum.

Those would be my reasons for abstaining. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Not a Brit, but I would say no to a referendum. A Brexit deal would be complicated and messy, and not only would many voters probably not understand it, but those who do understand would likely have one gripe or another against the deal (a deal so big would likely mean everyone has at least one complaint against it). I think a better idea would be to approve a Brexit deal, have it in place for a year, and then once the year has passed, have a referendum with three options: Continue with the current deal, negotiate a new deal, or re-join the EU as a full member.

Gualimole

Jaslandia wrote:Not a Brit, but I would say no to a referendum. A Brexit deal would be complicated and messy, and not only would many voters probably not understand it, but those who do understand would likely have one gripe or another against the deal (a deal so big would likely mean everyone has at least one complaint against it). I think a better idea would be to approve a Brexit deal, have it in place for a year, and then once the year has passed, have a referendum with three options: Continue with the current deal, negotiate a new deal, or re-join the EU as a full member.

We could never rejoin the EU. Our currency is too valuable to lose in favour of the Euro and the EU no longer allows new members who refuse to convert.

Unfallious wrote:We could never rejoin the EU. Our currency is too valuable to lose in favour of the Euro and the EU no longer allows new members who refuse to convert.

So the EU won't accept new members that refuse to adopt the Euro as their national currency? I did not know that. Seems a bit too strict of them, but such is life. Mayve Britain could get an exception since it's technically not a 'new' member?

Jaslandia wrote:So the EU won't accept new members that refuse to adopt the Euro as their national currency? I did not know that. Seems a bit too strict of them, but such is life. Mayve Britain could get an exception since it's technically not a 'new' member?

Britain always got exceptions.

And regardless if they have been a member before they will be handled like every other new member.

Bearlong, Nuremgard

Hello, old friends.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:Hello, old friends.

Ah, for fvck's sake!

Bearlong wrote:Ah, for fvck's sake!

Why such outburst?

Are you not pleased to see me?

Bearlong, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Mercunova

Jaslandia wrote:So the EU won't accept new members that refuse to adopt the Euro as their national currency? I did not know that. Seems a bit too strict of them, but such is life. Mayve Britain could get an exception since it's technically not a 'new' member?

On the bright side, on the defense analyst perspective, this freedom keeps Britain free of a potential over-reliance on German arms should the EU really standardize their arms.

On the downside it practically guaranteed that US equipment is now much for likely for the next generations of Britain's military. M1A4 for the UK? I guess it might be cheaper to get dummy model M1A1s and place your own, old, special armour on.

Unfallious wrote:We could never rejoin the EU. Our currency is too valuable to lose in favour of the Euro and the EU no longer allows new members who refuse to convert.

Every member joined the EU with the promise to eventually adopt the Euro. So technically, no member was refusing, merely postponing.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Britain always got exceptions.

And regardless if they have been a member before they will be handled like every other new member.

You are right. Britain got treated with kid gloves in the EU. Now they want to cherry pick and tell the EU to change to suit them. That isn't how it works. Brexit will be good for the UK in a way. It'll put a lot of arrogant people in their place and show them Britain is just another European nation, not some global superpower that can boss other countries around any more.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:On the bright side, on the defense analyst perspective, this freedom keeps Britain free of a potential over-reliance on German arms should the EU really standardize their arms.

On the downside it practically guaranteed that US equipment is now much for likely for the next generations of Britain's military. M1A4 for the UK? I guess it might be cheaper to get dummy model M1A1s and place your own, old, special armour on.

On the bright side of the US steel tariffs, your tanks may become too expensive and you may end up getting over-reliant on German Leopard 2's and British Challenger 2's, in fact it's practically guaranteed.

Nuremgard wrote:Every member joined the EU with the promise to eventually adopt the Euro. So technically, no member was refusing, merely postponing.

Correct. However having a shared currency across that many individual states, whose economies are not at the same level (Some in decline, so doing okay and others prospering) is bound for failure.

So realistically, those who have not adopted it will be better off when the EU eventually falls apart.

Which I believe to be inevitable with all such institutions.

Mercunova, Yukona

Everestopia wrote:Correct. However having a shared currency across that many individual states, whose economies are not at the same level (Some in decline, so doing okay and others prospering) is bound for failure.

So realistically, those who have not adopted it will be better off when the EU eventually falls apart.

Which I believe to be inevitable with all such institutions.

I don't believe it will fall any time soon. I think the UK is more likely to fall apart first (here's hoping.)

Nuremgard wrote:I don't believe it will fall any time soon. I think the UK is more likely to fall apart first (here's hoping.)

I give 10 years max.

It'll go the same way as the USSR.

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:I give 10 years max.

It'll go the same way as the USSR.

I hope not. The EU has been crucial for maintaining peace on the continent. We don't want to go back to the bad old days of various squabbling nation-states.

Everestopia wrote:I give 10 years max.

It'll go the same way as the USSR.

I certainly do not think the United Kingdom will devolve into the mess and disarray that the post-Soviet republics did, you're having an absolute laugh.

Yukona wrote:On the bright side of the US steel tariffs, your tanks may become too expensive and you may end up getting over-reliant on German Leopard 2's and British Challenger 2's, in fact it's practically guaranteed.

Nah, unlike Britain the US still has a largely functional MIC that only gets tripped up pretty often by Congress or the GAO, so we have a number of options like "M1B3" and "Those tanks in the desert".

In fact, M1B3 may well be the real bright side of it all, if it did happen.

The real victim is B-52H :V

Yukona wrote:I certainly do not think the United Kingdom will devolve into the mess and disarray that the post-Soviet republics did, you're having an absolute laugh.

I think he meant the EU, not the UK.

Everestopia

Nuremgard wrote:I think he meant the EU, not the UK.

Ah that's fair enough, I would still ever-so strongly disagree with that as well.

Kalaron wrote:Nah, unlike Britain the US still has a largely functional MIC that only gets tripped up pretty often by Congress or the GAO, so we have a number of options like "M1B3" and "Those tanks in the desert".

In fact, M1B3 may well be the real bright side of it all, if it did happen.

The real victim is B-52H :V

maybe this could help u with my reply x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Yukona wrote:Ah that's fair enough, I would still ever-so strongly disagree with that as well.

maybe this could help u with my reply x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

I disagree with him too. Brexit will unify the EU more.

Nuremgard wrote:I hope not. The EU has been crucial for maintaining peace on the continent. We don't want to go back to the bad old days of various squabbling nation-states.

Really? In some instances maybe.

I wouldn't count completely destroying Greece and rejecting legal and democratic referendum results as it dosen't fit the EU's Agenda (Ireland and Italy) as peace keeping.

That's just two examples.

A third would be helping to destabilise Ukraine when President Yanukovich was in power.

Yukona wrote:I certainly do not think the United Kingdom will devolve into the mess and disarray that the post-Soviet republics did, you're having an absolute laugh.

I meant the EU?

I'm British, I certainly do not think the UK will end up like the USSR. Aha.

Yukona

Everestopia wrote:Really? In some instances maybe.

I wouldn't count completely destroying Greece and rejecting legal and democratic referendum results as it dosen't fit the EU's Agenda (Ireland and Italy) as peace keeping.

That's just two examples.

A third would be helping to destabilise Ukraine when President Yanukovich was in power.

You're misrepresenting what happened.

Greece's economy was destroyed by its own folly. It had chronic tax avoidance and faked its finances when going into the EU. That's why they got punished by the European Central Bank. They only have themselves to blame. And if they were so devastated by the EU, then they'd have left by now. Newsflash: they haven't.

The Irish referendum is often used as a stick to beat the EU with. It didn't reject the result. It was a vote on an EU treaty. Irish voters rejected the treaty in its original format so the EU revised the treaty more to their liking and put it to another vote in Ireland. The people then voted yes to it.

I know some people in the UK love to paint the EU as a tyrannical superstate hell-bent on destroying its members' democracy and culture but it's really not.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:Ah that's fair enough, I would still ever-so strongly disagree with that as well.

maybe this could help u with my reply x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

maybe this could help u with my reply x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm :P

Everestopia wrote:I meant the EU?

I'm British, I certainly do not think the UK will end up like the USSR. Aha.

Why is the British union good but the EU one bad? You said the EU overrules its member states. Let's say for argument sake that was true. Westminster does this at home too.

Kalaron wrote:Nah, unlike Britain the US still has a largely functional MIC that only gets tripped up pretty often by Congress or the GAO, so we have a number of options like "M1B3" and "Those tanks in the desert".

In fact, M1B3 may well be the real bright side of it all, if it did happen.

The real victim is B-52H :V

I mean really the M1B3 isn't as good as the T52-C and the CEN-AS

Nuremgard wrote:You're misrepresenting what happened.

Greece's economy was destroyed by its own folly. It had chronic tax avoidance and faked its finances when going into the EU. That's why they got punished by the European Central Bank. They only have themselves to blame. And if they were so devastated by the EU, then they'd have left by now. Newsflash: they haven't.

The Irish referendum is often used as a stick to beat the EU with. It didn't reject the result. It was a vote on an EU treaty. Irish voters rejected the treaty in its original format so the EU revised the treaty more to their liking and put it to another vote in Ireland. The people then voted yes to it.

I know some people in the UK love to paint the EU as a tyrannical superstate hell-bent on destroying its members' democracy and culture but it's really not.

Greece: I'm aware of this. However the EU has no right to stop them from having elections to form a government. Which they did for some time. They havn't left, but they'd be better off out and start a fresh.

Ireland: They outright rejected it initially. It took them a year to find a compromise.

I didn't mention culture. Only democracy... Why are the majority of Commissioners and Presidents (of which there are a awful amount) not elected. They're more or less appointed by each other.

Where is the democracy in that?

And other decisions like appointing Tony Blair as the EU Peace Envoy to the Middle East... after he and Bush illegally invaded?

Yukona wrote:I mean really the M1B3 isn't as good as the T52-C and the CEN-AS

Where's Jas to post about teleprinters when you need him?

But yee, M1 Block 3 would have been pretty cool, could still be as well if they got the funding for it and actually wanted to. Things to keep in mind for when the next generation of tanks becomes needed and Britain starts pawing around for projects to jump into from France and Germany (which itself is a bit silly RN because they've made two tanks that were exactly the same but for the years apart) :P

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Where's Jas to post about teleprinters when you need him?

But yee, M1 Block 3 would have been pretty cool, could still be as well if they got the funding for it and actually wanted to. Things to keep in mind for when the next generation of tanks becomes needed and Britain starts pawing around for projects to jump into from France and Germany (which itself is a bit silly RN because they've made two tanks that were exactly the same but for the years apart) :P

Or we could just make our own

Everestopia wrote:Greece: I'm aware of this. However the EU has no right to stop them from having elections to form a government. Which they did for some time. They havn't left, but they'd be better off out and start a fresh.

Ireland: They outright rejected it initially. It took them a year to find a compromise.

I didn't mention culture. Only democracy... Why are the majority of Commissioners and Presidents (of which there are a awful amount) not elected. They're more or less appointed by each other.

Where is the democracy in that?

And other decisions like appointing Tony Blair as the EU Peace Envoy to the Middle East... after he and Bush illegally invaded?

Well I think the Greek people know what's best for their country, not you.

Exactly. They compromised. That's what happens in the EU. States talk and compromise. They iron out their differences over the diplomatic table. It's not some dictatorship.

Plenty of positions in the UK are unelected too. The head of state, the upper chamber of Parliament, the civil service, the courts. Yet I don't hear you arguing that the UK is undemocratic.

The EU isn't perfect. I despise Bush and Blair too.

Nuremgard wrote:Why is the British union good but the EU one bad? You said the EU overrules its member states. Let's say for argument sake that was true. Westminster does this at home too.

We're not trying to build a superstate?

All members of the UK get to vote for the Prime Minister (expect prisoners, they lose their right) .

Nuremgard wrote:Well I think the Greek people know what's best for their country, not you.

Exactly. They compromised. That's what happens in the EU. States talk and compromise. They iron out their differences over the diplomatic table. It's not some dictatorship.

Plenty of positions in the UK are unelected too. The head of state, the upper chamber of Parliament, the civil service, the courts. Yet I don't hear you arguing that the UK is undemocratic.

The EU isn't perfect. I despise Bush and Blair too.

Well wouldn't you think the Scottish people know what's best for their country, but they didn't vote for what you consider best, the same going for the British people and Brexit?

Yukona wrote:Or we could just make our own

Without the industry? Or rather, with the highly depreciated and currently neglected industry? Without falling behind as a standard due to a loss of progress?

Russia from 1995 called, they want their notions back and r suing u for stealing their mantra

Anyhow, it's more likely that Britain would view it as too expensive to go it alone since countries in sorta similar positions also view it that way? France and Germany are pretty good indicators on the next generation of military decisions RN, and it looks like they're going the "Working together" route to cut costs in the now.

Everestopia wrote:We're not trying to build a superstate?

All members of the UK get to vote for the Prime Minister (expect prisoners, they lose their right) .

The British union was already a superstate. The countries of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland all got together and build the world's greatest empire. People in the UK don't vote for the Prime Minister. This isn't the USA. People vote for an MP to represent their constituency. The party that holds the majority forms the government and the person who leads the party becomes PM by default. The only people who directly vote for the PM are their constituents.

Yukona wrote:Well wouldn't you think the Scottish people know what's best for their country, but they didn't vote for what you consider best, the same going for the British people and Brexit?

People can change their minds. If the Greeks eventually vote to leave the EU, that'll be their decision. And if Scots vote to eventually leave or stay in the UK, that'll be our collective decision. I may not like it but democracy's a bitch sometimes.

Everestopia wrote:

All members of the UK get to vote for the Prime Minister (expect prisoners, they lose their right) .

Germany is ahead of Britain there. Prisoners here have the right to vote in federal elections.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Well I think the Greek people know what's best for their country, not you.

Exactly. They compromised. That's what happens in the EU. States talk and compromise. They iron out their differences over the diplomatic table. It's not some dictatorship.

Plenty of positions in the UK are unelected too. The head of state, the upper chamber of Parliament, the civil service, the courts. Yet I don't hear you arguing that the UK is undemocratic.

The EU isn't perfect. I despise Bush and Blair too.

I'm Pro-Monarchy... so I'm not arguing on that. It's pointless.

I didn't say the UK was perfect? And I never said it was a dictatorship?

I just don't see why states cant be left as states... rather inching them closer and closer to form a superstate.

Everestopia wrote:I'm Pro-Monarchy... so I'm not arguing on that. It's pointless.

I didn't say the UK was perfect? And I never said it was a dictatorship?

I just don't see why states cant be left as states... rather inching them closer and closer to form a superstate.

Yeah. You're pro-monarchy but you're bitching about the EU being undemocratic? You want your head of state decided by genetic lottery. Isn't that a bit absurd?

Again, you don't seem to have a problem with the British superstate. Why couldn't England have left Scotland alone in 1707 instead of pressuring it into closer and closer union?

Nuremgard wrote:The British union was already a superstate. The countries of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland all got together and build the world's greatest empire. People in the UK don't vote for the Prime Minister. This isn't the USA. People vote for an MP to represent their constituency. The party that holds the majority forms the government and the person who leads the party becomes PM by default. The only people who directly vote for the PM are their constituents.

People can change their minds. If the Greeks eventually vote to leave the EU, that'll be their decision. And if Scots vote to eventually leave or stay in the UK, that'll be our collective decision. I may not like it but democracy's a bitch sometimes.

I'm well aware of how our system works, I meant that everyone gets a vote.

However I would have our system change so that you vote for the MP and you also get a separate vote on the PM.

Everestopia wrote:I'm well aware of how our system works, I meant that everyone gets a vote.

However I would have our system change so that you vote for the MP and you also get a separate vote on the PM.

Well good luck with that. It took almost three centuries for any meaningful political reform to take place in the UK.

Kalaron wrote:Without the industry? Or rather, with the highly depreciated and currently neglected industry? Without falling behind as a standard due to a loss of progress?

Russia from 1995 called, they want their notions back and r suing u for stealing their mantra

Anyhow, it's more likely that Britain would view it as too expensive to go it alone since countries in sorta similar positions also view it that way? France and Germany are pretty good indicators on the next generation of military decisions RN, and it looks like they're going the "Working together" route to cut costs in the now.

Britain has the 5th biggest defence industry in the world, with security export sales at £4.3 billion in 2016. It's the 3rd biggest exporter. BAE system is the 3rd biggest arms company in the world. If you're seriously suggesting any time a country that used to have a big military, goes to a small one or makes cuts to its military then it can't ever go back to having good equipment, or - rather - any country that isn't America can't make good equipment, I'd be having second thoughts. You have no idea what the future holds, let alone what could/will happen.

It's not more likely, as we don't know where Britain's going to be at that point and where austerity, defence cuts, or the government is going to be at in the future. Many countries still manage to produce their own domestic equipment, and we can safely assume that American equipment is superior to a lot, but equally ranked Western nations that cooperate on certain aspects aren't going let their allies screw up so hard that they'd produce an effectively Chinese knock-off of a Chinese knock-off, nor do we know the entire statistics, testing, technology, systems and weapons that go into current MBTs as I'm sure that's quite protected. And by all means, you can go on here-say and that one picture of the armour cut in half, but let's be honest - we just don't know and saying that it's "practically impossible" is piss in the wind at this point in time, right?

Nuremgard wrote:Well good luck with that. It took almost three centuries for any meaningful political reform to take place in the UK.

cough bullsh*t cough

[spoiler]do u even A-Level history[/spoiler]

Everestopia

Yukona wrote:cough bullsh*t cough

[spoiler]do u even A-Level history[/spoiler]

I meant in terms of legislative power. Westminster has ruled the roost for most of the UK's history.

Nuremgard wrote:I meant in terms of legislative power. Westminster has ruled the roost for most of the UK's history.

The seat of government has ruled the nation for as long as said nation's been around? I'll be dammned.

Everestopia

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. You're pro-monarchy but you're bitching about the EU being undemocratic? You want your head of state decided by genetic lottery. Isn't that a bit absurd?

Again, you don't seem to have a problem with the British superstate. Why couldn't England have left Scotland alone in 1707 instead of pressuring it into closer and closer union?

Not at all. I'm Pro-Monarchy due to the amount of money it brings in and the rich heritage behind it. It's great for tourists??

It's a different era? I can't protest something that happened before my time? I'm not keen on the idea that the Imperial Russia occupied the whole of what is now largely Eastern Europe in the 1500's... but I can't really change that.

By the way, Scotland joining was through Marriage. The Scottish King, James VI become King of England after Elizabeth I died.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:The seat of government has ruled the nation for as long as said nation's been around? I'll be dammned.

Yes. The UK is one of the most centralised states in Europe. And when we finally did get a Scottish Parliament up and running again, old Queenie did a speech saying "I cannot forget that I was crowned the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Essentially, "know your place, Jocks. You might have your own parliament now but don't be getting too uppity."

Nuremgard wrote:I meant in terms of legislative power. Westminster has ruled the roost for most of the UK's history.

Yukona wrote:The seat of government has ruled the nation for as long as said nation's been around? I'll be dammned.

I was trying to work out your point here Nuremgard.... I'll be honest.

Nuremgard wrote:Yes. The UK is one of the most centralised states in Europe. And when we finally did get a Scottish Parliament up and running again, old Queenie did a speech saying "I cannot forget that I was crowned the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Essentially, "know your place, Jocks. You might have your own parliament now but don't be getting too uppity."

Essentially you made that mean what you wanted it to mean, not what she said.

Everestopia wrote:Not at all. I'm Pro-Monarchy due to the amount of money it brings in and the rich heritage behind it. It's great for tourists??

It's a different era? I can't protest something that happened before my time? I'm not keen on the idea that the Imperial Russia occupied the whole of what is now largely Eastern Europe in the 1500's... but I can't really change that.

By the way, Scotland joining was through Marriage. The Scottish King, James VI become King of England after Elizabeth I died.

Yeah because Britain would get no tourists if we had no monarchy. Are you serious right now? My God, have a bit more pride in your nation. We aren't reliant on inbred bloodsuckers for our tourism.

You're wrong. When James VI succeeded to the English throne, Scotland was still a separate state with its own parliament. England and Scotland were in a personal union with the same monarch but they did not become the same state until 1707. So it was through bribery and threats that the UK was formed, not marriage.

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