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Clemodecralia wrote:What are some of your other reasons why we are backwards?

Why do you sport a Russian tri-color as your flag if you despise its culture so much?

I never said I despise your culture. I was simply stating my opinion that your country is backward in terms of gay rights.

And I sport the Russian tri-colour because my country is based on Russia. Duh.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I never said I despise your culture. I was simply stating my opinion that your country is backward in terms of gay rights.

And I sport the Russian tri-colour because my country is based on Russia. Duh.

Nothing compared to some Muslim countries.

Lavan Tiri

Auxorii wrote:Nothing compared to some Muslim countries.

I know. That's why I said other countries are far more backwards than Russia, and I count many Muslims countries on that list. Saudi Arabia being the prime example.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I never said I despise your culture. I was simply stating my opinion that your country is backward in terms of gay rights.

And I sport the Russian tri-colour because my country is based on Russia. Duh.

Validity of the statement aside, at least we can all agree that the land with no gays, Chechnya, is perfect :P

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Validity of the statement aside, at least we can all agree that the land with no gays, Chechnya, is perfect :P

Lol aye. I bet the leader is a raging, repressed homosexual.

Lavan Tiri, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Lol aye. I bet the leader is a raging, repressed homosexual.

Bruh, with all that "manly" propaganda, Putin's probably packing with him :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Bruh, with all that "manly" propaganda, Putin's probably packing with him :D

Yeah, thought about Putin being one too. Wouldn't surprise me.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Lol aye. I bet the leader is a raging, repressed homosexual.

Kalaron wrote:Bruh, with all that "manly" propaganda, Putin's probably packing with him :D

>pro gay rights

>makes fun of people they don't like by calling them gay

Lavan Tiri, Auxorii, Magnatronia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Clemodecralia wrote:>pro gay rights

>makes fun of people they don't like by calling them gay

No, we're just mocking an idiot leader. Or is that not allowed now?

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:>pro gay rights

>makes fun of people they don't like by calling them gay

More poking fun at the tendancy for homophobic people to be homosexual themselves, and poking fun at Putin's ridiculous near homoerotic propaganda to show his "Manliness".

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:More poking fun at the tendancy for homophobic people to be homosexual themselves, and poking fun at Putin's ridiculous near homoerotic propaganda to show his "Manliness".

He's such a wannabe tsar. Somebody should tell him the monarchy fell a long time ago.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:No, we're just mocking an idiot leader. Or is that not allowed now?

Whether you disagree with Putin or not you have to admit that he is an absolute genius

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Whether you disagree with Putin or not you have to admit that he is an absolute genius

He's a political Machiavellian that's for sure. One man who has held an entire nation enraptured for years has to be credited on his masterful propaganda.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:He's a political Machiavellian that's for sure. One man who has held an entire nation enraptured for years has to be credited on his masterful propaganda.

Well, he's done good things for his country (and himself of course)

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:No, we're just mocking an idiot leader. Or is that not allowed now?

This idiot leader has dug the country out of the economic free fall that was post-collapse Russia, has increased the standard of living throughout the whole country, and has reversed the demographic rate decline, among many other vast improvements in the country.

Kalaron wrote:More poking fun at the tendancy for homophobic people to be homosexual themselves, and poking fun at Putin's ridiculous near homoerotic propaganda to show his "Manliness".

Maybe you aren't used to masculinity, or rather, you are jealous of his.

Nuremgard wrote:He's such a wannabe tsar. Somebody should tell him the monarchy fell a long time ago.

Low-effort ad hominem sure proves your point

Lavan Tiri, Auxorii, Magnatronia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Clemodecralia wrote:This idiot leader has dug the country out of the economic free fall that was post-collapse Russia, has increased the standard of living throughout the whole country, and has reversed the demographic rate decline, among many other vast improvements in the country.

Maybe you aren't used to masculinity, or rather, you are jealous of his.

Low-effort ad hominem sure proves your point

Woah, you mean the leader of Chechnya did all that? I'm impressed.

Next time, read my post properly before going on a self-righteous rant about how awesome your pal Putin is, eh? And if he's so marvelous, why haven't you moved back to the motherland yet? Didn't you say you live in the land of the Orange Emperor? (USA in case I need to be specific for you.)

Lavan Tiri

All those bears, though.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Andromitus

Nuremgard wrote:He's such a wannabe tsar. Somebody should tell him the monarchy fell a long time ago.

Now that's a bit closer to what Clem said we said.

Personally, I think one of his worst traits is his corruption and policy of killing political opponents.

There's naturally other things too though.

Clemodecralia wrote:This idiot leader has dug the country out of the economic free fall that was post-collapse Russia, has increased the standard of living throughout the whole country, and has reversed the demographic rate decline, among many other vast improvements in the country.

Maybe you aren't used to masculinity, or rather, you are jealous of his.

Low-effort ad hominem sure proves your point

Right, because hunting on horse back isn't trying too hard to be manly.

Because hunters, the manly people, don't hunt with their shirts on and on foot.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well, he's done good things for his country (and himself of course)

Like most other world leaders, Putin's just another twat on the world stage trying to show everyone how big his dick is.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Woah, you mean the leader of Chechnya did all that? I'm impressed.

Next time, read my post properly before going on a self-righteous rant about how awesome your pal Putin is, eh? And if he's so marvelous, why haven't you moved back to the motherland yet? Didn't you say you live in the land of the Orange Emperor? (USA in case I need to be specific for you.)

You mean this Orange Emperor that waselected by the people and has to be elected again in 4 years?

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Like most other world leaders, Putin's just another twat on the world stage trying to show everyone how big his dick is.

Except for the fact that his dick is big? (Not literally)

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Now that's a bit closer to what Clem said we said.

Personally, I think one of his worst traits is his corruption and policy of killing political opponents.

There's naturally other things too though.

Right, because hunting on horse back isn't trying too hard to be manly.

Because hunters, the manly people, don't hunt with their shirts on and on foot.

Lol, love how you got accused of being jealous of Putin. I think if anybody is jealous of Putin, they need their heads looked at. Or at the very least, just a reassessment of their values and goals in life.

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You mean this Orange Emperor that waselected by the people and has to be elected again in 4 years?

Trump wasn't elected by the people. In case you didn't notice, Clinton won the popular vote.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Next time, read my post properly before going on a self-righteous rant about how awesome your pal Putin is, eh? And if he's so marvelous, why haven't you moved back to the motherland yet?

Hey hey, keep it cool dude.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Hey hey, keep it cool dude.

It's a legit question. The way he's talking, you'd think Putin was the Messiah and Russia was the New Jerusalem. So was only asking why he hasn't moved back there yet.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Trump wasn't elected by the people. In case you didn't notice, Clinton won the popular vote.

Republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:It's a legit question. The way he's talking, you'd think Putin was the Messiah and Russia was the New Jerusalem. So was only asking why he hasn't moved back there yet.

He's told us before that he's studying in the US I think

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

Thanks. I had no idea what a republic was until now. Got any more pearls of wisdom for the swine?

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:He's told us before that he's studying in the US I think

Why not Russia? If it's so amaze balls.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Thanks. I had no idea what a republic was until now. Got any more pearls of wisdom for the swine?

Jesus Christ it's so hard to have a conversation with you, it's incredible

Lavan Tiri, Auxorii

Nuremgard wrote:Lol, love how you got accused of being jealous of Putin. I think if anybody is jealous of Putin, they need their heads looked at. Or at the very least, just a reassessment of their values and goals in life.

Eh, he's one of the richest men on the world due to his vast undeclared finances so I wouldn't mind it.

I might not be able to live with myself if I had a political opponent executed but I wouldn't mind that money :p

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Why not Russia? If it's so amaze balls.

Doesn't mean that other countries can't be amazing too

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Right, because hunting on horse back isn't trying too hard to be manly.

Because hunters, the manly people, don't hunt with their shirts on and on foot.

Is there anything wrong with this? What's wrong with a man doing what he wants to do? I suppose that anyone who dresses better than you is also "trying too hard" eh?

On a hot day, my friends and I strip down to boots and pants (and bras) when we are hiking or hunting. If you've ever spent a day outside you may know how hot it gets.

Nuremgard wrote:if he's so marvelous, why haven't you moved back to the motherland yet?

I am busy with business in another country right now. I'd love to move back however.

Nuremgard wrote:Didn't you say you live in the land of the Orange Emperor? (USA in case I need to be specific for you.)

I don't live in the US (I wish), and I have never said that.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Jesus Christ it's so hard to have a conversation with you, it's incredible

Mate, a little while ago I tried to have a normal conversation with you by posting to you a link to a series of articles about small, successful independent countries and how it related to Scottish independence. You totally blanked me. The only times you've ever replied to me on this forum is so we can somehow have a disagreement or argument.

Kalaron wrote:Eh, he's one of the richest men on the world due to his vast undeclared finances so I wouldn't mind it.

I might not be able to live with myself if I had a political opponent executed but I wouldn't mind that money :p

All that money which will mean sweet FA when he's dead.

Lavan Tiri, Kalaron

Clemodecralia wrote:Is there anything wrong with this? What's wrong with a man doing what he wants to do? I suppose that anyone who dresses better than you is also "trying too hard" eh?

On a hot day, my friends and I strip down to boots and pants (and bras) when we are hiking or hunting. If you've ever spent a day outside you may know how hot it gets.

I am busy with business in another country right now. I'd love to move back however.

I don't live in the US (I wish), and I have never said that.

A wee song for your return home.

https://youtu.be/ZW20yUl6kPg?t=27

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:He's told us before that he's studying in the US I think

I am studying abroad, however not in the US.

Nuremgard wrote:Why not Russia? If it's so amaze balls.

Because I am a free individual and have the desire to do so, I don't have to justify my life to a stranger online.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Doesn't mean that other countries can't be amazing too

Exactly, there are many countries which are amazing!

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Lol aye. I bet the leader is a raging, repressed homosexual.

Bet he's just a top though

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:A wee song for your return home.

https://youtu.be/ZW20yUl6kPg?t=27

I would very much rather not return to the USSR, I prefer the modern RF.

Thanks for the thought though

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Friedensreich wrote:Bet he's just a top though

Being a top totally makes it less gay. :P

Lavan Tiri, Friedensreich

Clemodecralia wrote:I would very much rather not return to the USSR, I prefer the modern RF.

Thanks for the thought though

Just a light-hearted joke. Don't want the RMB descending into yet another argument.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Being a top totally makes it less gay. :P

Oh definitely. If I wanted to say my opinion on the matter, you can't really say you're gay until you've bottomed.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Friedensreich wrote:Oh definitely. If I wanted to say my opinion on the matter, you can't really say you're gay until you've bottomed.

If you don't bottom, you're just missing out on one of life's many pleasures. But to each their own.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Just a light-hearted joke. Don't want the RMB descending into yet another argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZjlyWOB6E

I prefer this cover though

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Don't want the RMB descending into yet another argument.

Yet you somehow don't mind slinging snarky comments at everyone that disagrees with you.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Clemodecralia wrote:Is there anything wrong with this? What's wrong with a man doing what he wants to do? I suppose that anyone who dresses better than you is also "trying too hard" eh?

On a hot day, my friends and I strip down to boots and pants (and bras) when we are hiking or hunting. If you've ever spent a day outside you may know how hot it gets.

I am busy with business in another country right now. I'd love to move back however.

I don't live in the US (I wish), and I have never said that.

Just that it seems ridiculous?

Like, I get that maybe you and your friends did that, but he did it for a photoshoot and did it on a horse while hunting?

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5134d70a69bedd2d1f00003b-1200/vladimir-putin.jpg

If you can't see why Putin riding shirtless on horse-back in Siberia is a silly attempt to seem utterly masculine, then there really isn't a need for us to talk about it because you'll just keep saying that I haven't been exposed to masculinity like his, which you already have said.

If someone dresses up in a 13th century apparel to go to Burger King because they want to look like old world nobility, I'm gonna laugh at them, yeah, because it's just as unneeded as taking a photoshoot while shirtless on horseback.

*shrug*

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDZjlyWOB6E

I prefer this cover though

Had a feeling it would be the Beatles. Not a fan.

Magnatronia wrote:Yet you somehow don't mind slinging snarky comments at everyone that disagrees with you.

Slinging snarky comments is what I do.

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Yet you somehow don't mind slinging snarky comments at everyone that disagrees with you.

That's like 90% of the region doe

Lavan Tiri

Friedensreich wrote:That's like 90% of the region doe

I thought us leftists were meant to be the snowflakes!

Lavan Tiri, Friedensreich

Post self-deleted by Clemodecralia.

Nuremgard wrote:I thought us leftists were meant to be the snowflakes!

Oh totally, I guess we're the only ones that can't take snark and criticism!

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Had a feeling it would be the Beatles. Not a fan.

Slinging snarky comments is what I do.

So if you wanna keep the RMB from "descending into another argument", keep them to a minimum.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Had a feeling it would be the Beatles. Not a fan.

I'm a limited fan of The Beatles, save for a few songs, they don't much appeal to me.

Kalaron wrote:Just that it seems ridiculous?

I think it's pretty kicka.ss

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:I'm a limited fan of The Beatles, save for a few songs, they don't much appeal to me.

I think it's pretty kicka.ss

Kk

Let's agree to disagree.

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:So if you wanna keep the RMB from "descending into another argument", keep them to a minimum.

Ja, mein Fuhrer.

Clemodecralia wrote:I'm a limited fan of The Beatles, save for a few songs, they don't much appeal to me.

I think it's pretty kicka.ss

I think they're over-rated.

*hides under the table from any hardcore Beatles fans present*

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Kk

Let's agree to disagree.

Ever the way of it.

Lavan Tiri, Kalaron

Nuremgard wrote:I think they're over-rated.

same

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:same

Bloody hell. Looks like we found something we agree on. Wonders never cease.

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:Anybody watch Rick and Morty?

What did you think of S3E2? I think they are doing a great job with keeping the series up to par with the last season, maybe even better judging by the last episode!

Fµck me I forgot that was out!

Clemodecralia wrote:What are some of your other reasons why we are backwards?

Why do you sport a Russian tri-color as your flag if you despise its culture so much?

*Snaps fingers*

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:Fµck me I forgot that was out!

*Snaps fingers*

Kitty can scratch.

Lavan Tiri

Friedensreich wrote:Bet he's just a top though

Just a top?!

Nuremgard wrote:Being a top totally makes it less gay. :P

Hey!

Friedensreich wrote:Oh definitely. If I wanted to say my opinion on the matter, you can't really say you're gay until you've bottomed.

HEY

Lavan Tiri, Friedensreich

Andromitus wrote: *snip*

I don't know if you noticed or not but Mag's new RP was posted.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Kitty can scratch.

HEY! I'm okay with you mocking other cultures and religions, but don't you DARE mock our lord and savior the Rainbow Space Cat Founder by comparing a mere mortal to is unearthly feline authority

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:I don't know if you noticed or not but Mag's new RP was posted.

I noticed alright

Lavan Tiri

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Just a top?!Hey!HEY

No need to "hey" us, Con. We love tops.

Lavan Tiri

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Just a top?!Hey!HEY

Oh, don't you tell me..... dirty exclusive-r, become vers!

Lavan Tiri

Friedensreich wrote:Oh, don't you tell me..... dirty exclusive-r, become vers!

Hey, I'm exclusive too.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:No need to "hey" us, Con. We love tops.

Awk, shucks <3

Friedensreich wrote:Oh, don't you tell me..... dirty exclusive-r, become vers!

Nah

Lavan Tiri

An issue that I couldn't ignore had the first choice daring me to be honest about my intentions of veto power. They instantly regretted it.

Lavan Tiri

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Awk, shucks <3Nah

At least tell me you're one of those tops that care about the bottom, please

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Mate, a little while ago I tried to have a normal conversation with you by posting to you a link to a series of articles about small, successful independent countries and how it related to Scottish independence. You totally blanked me. The only times you've ever replied to me on this forum is so we can somehow have a disagreement or argument.

All that money which will mean sweet FA when he's dead.

What link? Because I might have missed it

Lavan Tiri

Lotsa posting about Russia. I actually have vacation plans to the RF in 2018.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:What link? Because I might have missed it

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-too-wee-club-2/

I sent it to you because your country is in the series.

Lavan Tiri

Russkov Soviet wrote:Lotsa posting about Russia. I actually have vacation plans to the RF in 2018.

How long did it take to get your visa?

What are your plans?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:How long did it take to get your visa?

What are your plans?

I've had a visa for a few years. Been on cruises to Jamaica, Mexico, Belize, Rotan, and Cuba. And my plans are to stay in Moscow with a pal. Maybe check out Volgograd, St. Petersburg, and possibly a couple other areas.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:HEY! I'm okay with you mocking other cultures and religions, but don't you DARE mock our lord and savior the Rainbow Space Cat Founder by comparing a mere mortal to is unearthly feline authority

*Pounces on a schoolbus from Andromitus, and proceeds to use it like a snack bag, eating the contents.* Rainbow Space Cat Founder has taken his token sacrifice from the willing, and obedient people of Andromitus. Fear not. I will not need another sacrifice for at least four days. Perhaps if Rainbow Space Cat Founder had not felt mocked the sacrifice this time would not have been so heavy. Next time could be worse. Meow. DO YOU HEAR ME! MEOW!

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-too-wee-club-2/

I sent it to you because your country is in the series.

Wait do people actually make the argument that Scotland shouldn't be given independence because the can't survive on their own? That's stupid

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Wait do people actually make the argument that Scotland shouldn't be given independence because the can't survive on their own? That's stupid

That's the primary argument of unionists. They say Scotland is too small, too poor and its people are too stupid to be independent. They believe Scotland survives only by the grace of English money sent north of the border to keep us all in the lap of luxury like a trophy wife.

Lavan Tiri

Confederacy Of Free Nations wrote:*Pounces on a schoolbus from Andromitus, and proceeds to use it like a snack bag, eating the contents.* Rainbow Space Cat Founder has taken his token sacrifice from the willing, and obedient people of Andromitus. Fear not. I will not need another sacrifice for at least four days. Perhaps if Rainbow Space Cat Founder had not felt mocked the sacrifice this time would not have been so heavy. Next time could be worse. Meow. DO YOU HEAR ME! MEOW!

Wha What! I wasn't the one that compared you to a mortal! I was sticking up for you!

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:That's the primary argument of unionists. They say Scotland is too small, too poor and its people are too stupid to be independent. They believe Scotland survives only by the grace of English money sent north of the border to keep us all in the lap of luxury like a trophy wife.

They must know that there are much smaller countries that are doing awesome right now? You guys are really unlucky, having to fight for independence. It's something that I've taken for granted. I can't possibly imagine my nation being ruked by another one, the thought itself makes me want to cry

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:They must know that there are much smaller countries that are doing awesome right now? You guys are really unlucky, having to fight for independence. It's something that I've taken for granted. I can't possibly imagine my nation being ruked by another one, the thought itself makes me want to cry

I envy those who live in self-ruling countries and who are able to take independence for granted. Over here, independence is something to be feared and those who advocate it people to be hated. What's worse is that many Scots agree with this mentality, and believe their nation is best governed by the one next door.

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I envy those who live in self-ruling countries and who are able to take independence for granted. Over here, independence is something to be feared and those who advocate it people to be hated. What's worse is that many Scots agree with this mentality, and believe their nation is best governed by the one next door.

Maybe you guys just need a real leader. I don't know abou this Sturgeon lady tbh

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Maybe you guys just need a real leader. I don't know abou this Sturgeon lady tbh

I like and respect Sturgeon a lot but she is playing too nice with the British establishment. She needs to nail her colours to the mast and state unequivocally that independence is the goal and a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence.

The SNP's weakness is that they have tried to be all things to all men. They have tried to please everyone. The Conservatives, on the other hand, do not pretend to be for everyone. They are hardcore unionist through and through. The SNP needs to adopt the same kind of approach but for Scottish nationalism.

The best analogy I can give you is this: imagine a large segment of Iceland's population believed that Denmark was best placed to govern your country. and actively campaigned to live under Danish rule.

Lavan Tiri

As a gift to everyone here who would care about listening to radio frequencies but don't have the capacity:

http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/

Me, Tse and Andy all listened across the spectrum for a few minutes. Tse was able to find an unmarked channel with a guy periodically listing a time (He tentatively noted that it was 2100 Universal Time) while Andy found what he thought was an ice creme truck theme.

Radios are cool.

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus

Russkov Soviet wrote:I've had a visa for a few years. Been on cruises to Jamaica, Mexico, Belize, Rotan, and Cuba. And my plans are to stay in Moscow with a pal. Maybe check out Volgograd, St. Petersburg, and possibly a couple other areas.

Are you in one of the countries that Russia doesn't require a specific visa from in advance?

Btw you should check out the east coast and Sevastopol if you have a blank schedule

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I like and respect Sturgeon a lot but she is playing too nice with the British establishment. She needs to nail her colours to the mast and state unequivocally that independence is the goal and a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence.

The SNP's weakness is that they have tried to be all things to all men. They have tried to please everyone. The Conservatives, on the other hand, do not pretend to be for everyone. They are hardcore unionist through and through. The SNP needs to adopt the same kind of approach but for Scottish nationalism.

The best analogy I can give you is this: imagine a large segment of Iceland's population believed that Denmark was best placed to govern your country. and actively campaigned to live under Danish rule.

Two words. National. Consciousness. What happened in Iceland is that in the 19th century some guys were influenced by the French revolution and started publishing a journal, in the hopes of reviving national consciousness. It worked out really well. I don't really know what the SNP is doing to fight for independence but I do know that it's not just about Westminster politics, they should be fighting to revive the national consciousness of the Scottish people. Because why would the people support independence if they don't know how special Scotland is?

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:Are you in one of the countries that Russia doesn't require a specific visa from in advance?

Btw you should check out the east coast and Sevastopol if you have a blank schedule

I live in the United States, so this trip is a big stress test. (I'll visit Sevastopol for sure!)

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Two words. National. Consciousness. What happened in Iceland is that in the 19th century some guys were influenced by the French revolution and started publishing a journal, in the hopes of reviving national consciousness. It worked out really well. I don't really know what the SNP is doing to fight for independence but I do know that it's not just about Westminster politics, they should be fighting to revive the national consciousness of the Scottish people. Because why would the people support independence if they don't know how special Scotland is?

It's not about Scotland being special tough. It's the opposite. Scotland is just a country like any other, with positives and negatives. Nationalists like me argue a simple premise: that people living in Scotland should rule Scotland.

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:Wha What! I wasn't the one that compared you to a mortal! I was sticking up for you!

Rainbow Space Cat Founder knows. Rainbow Space Cat Founder chose you for your obedience. Is a gift. Is how show appreciation. Was it not appreciated?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:It's not about Scotland being special tough. It's the opposite. Scotland is just a country like any other, with positives and negatives. Nationalists like me argue a simple premise: that people living in Scotland should rule Scotland.

Well, why should you have independence if you are no different than the English people that you want independence from?

Lavan Tiri

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well, why should you have independence if you are no different than the English people that you want independence from?

We are different but we are not special.

Lavan Tiri

Russkov Soviet wrote:I live in the United States, so this trip is a big stress test. (I'll visit Sevastopol for sure!)

I don't know what it's like to get a Russian visa for a foreigner, isn't a foreigner tourist visa fairly specific on when you are arriving, and when you are leaving?

Just don't be obnoxious in that you are foreign and you should be okay!

If you are into military history, you might want to drop by Kubinka tank museum and Monino airfield! Also walking around Volgograd on the banks of the Volga, you will probably find a few heavily damaged buildings preserved from the battle.

Make sure for the cities you get reloadable transit card, makes it easy to go anywhere

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:

*hides under the table from any hardcore Beatles fans present*

Your heads made of Norwegian Wood mate

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Your heads made of Norwegian Wood mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeykJbzbBSQ

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:I envy those who live in self-ruling countries and who are able to take independence for granted. Over here, independence is something to be feared and those who advocate it people to be hated. What's worse is that many Scots agree with this mentality, and believe their nation is best governed by the one next door.

Or they believe their nation is Britain as well as Scotland? I've said this before, all these people like oh I can't believe it - can you believe a CatalI ain't, Basque or Galician person in Spain? A Savoyard, Venetian or Sicilian person in Italy? A Breton in France or a Bavaria in Germany? For a topical one, a Karelian in Russia? It all depends on perspective - I'm not arguing one way or another but the constant straw manning and unreasonable portrayal of these kinds of people kind of makes many nation fall to this incidence to where up to the most homogenic nation must split.

Lavan Tiri

Clemodecralia wrote:I don't know what it's like to get a Russian visa for a foreigner, isn't a foreigner tourist visa fairly specific on when you are arriving, and when you are leaving?

Just don't be obnoxious in that you are foreign and you should be okay!

If you are into military history, you might want to drop by Kubinka tank museum and Monino airfield! Also walking around Volgograd on the banks of the Volga, you will probably find a few heavily damaged buildings preserved from the battle.

Make sure for the cities you get reloadable transit card, makes it easy to go anywhere

Fairly awkward for the UK, had to go to the consulate in London and get all the paper work done and apply for a special visa quite a bit in advance with numerous basically identical forms

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Or they believe their nation is Britain as well as Scotland? I've said this before, all these people like oh I can't believe it - can you believe a CatalI ain't, Basque or Galician person in Spain? A Savoyard, Venetian or Sicilian person in Italy? A Breton in France or a Bavaria in Germany? For a topical one, a Karelian in Russia? It all depends on perspective - I'm not arguing one way or another but the constant straw manning and unreasonable portrayal of these kinds of people kind of makes many nation fall to this incidence to where up to the most homogenic nation must split.

Of course there are many who see Britain as their nation. That's the main obstacle to independence. They think they are valued, equal partners in this union when they are not. Others know Scotland is subservient and support it being that way. That is the problem.

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Great, more arguments on public perception

Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Of course there are many who see Britain as their nation. That's the main obstacle to independence. They think they are valued, equal partners in this union when they are not. Others know Scotland is subservient and support it being that way. That is the problem.

Well you could say any minority group which is shifted per the lens you look at a set of people or data at is therefore subject to their own control so as much as Scotland should leave because they don't rule themselves if you class them as British and argue they lived and vote for Britain they have just as much influence as any others. Because certain areas of Scotland are Conservative should they have their own rule because they're a minority and obviously the SNP doesn't serve them - bad example but do you get what I mean?

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Well you could say any minority group which is shifted per the lens you look at a set of people or data at is therefore subject to their own control so as much as Scotland should leave because they don't rule themselves if you class them as British and argue they lived and vote for Britain they have just as much influence as any others. Because certain areas of Scotland are Conservative should they have their own rule because they're a minority and obviously the SNP doesn't serve them - bad example but do you get what I mean?

I get what you mean but it's a bad argument because Scotland is not merely just a "region." Scottish unionists use this argument all the time. Yorkshire is usually their place of choice. The difference is Yorkshire is a county of England, a nation. Scotland is a nation in its own right.

If an independent Scotland voted for a Conservative government, I'd grit my teeth and bear it but I could accept the fact that it was a government voted in by Scots. What grates my cheese is that every single UK government is decided by England. Scotland's input in terms of votes is worthless. We might as well just not bother voting. Hell, we might as well just remove our MPs from Parliament because that's how much impact Scottish votes and voices has on the UK.

Do you get what I mean?

Lavan Tiri, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Nuremgard wrote:I get what you mean but it's a bad argument because Scotland is not merely just a "region." Scottish unionists use this argument all the time. Yorkshire is usually their place of choice. The difference is Yorkshire is a county of England, a nation. Scotland is a nation in its own right.

If an independent Scotland voted for a Conservative government, I'd grit my teeth and bear it but I could accept the fact that it was a government voted in by Scots. What grates my cheese is that every single UK government is decided by England. Scotland's input in terms of votes is worthless. We might as well just not bother voting. Hell, we might as well just remove our MPs from Parliament because that's how much impact Scottish votes and voices has on the UK.

Do you get what I mean?

But loads of countries I've already listen have former countries within them, look at the Breton in France and the Flemish in Belgium. My point is the whole perspective of it isn't my country is wholly subjective and not as factual as has been made out. Furthermore on the rationale that Alba should be independent for that reason purely then literally every nation would fracture. And let us not forget Yorkshires history as a part of Danelaw and how even that place was indeed a separate culture and people of the British Isles just like many others.

Lavan Tiri

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