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FMHPH: Comrades we have 3 different plans to deal with the heretical bolsheviks in Russkov Soviet

Great Overseer of War please tell the others of the plans.

Great Overseer of War: We have as mentioned 3 different invasion plans to dissolve the bolshevik regime and establish the influence of the cult of chaos within the heartland of the communist revolution, first plan called ´´Reverse Hell´´ is a combined operation between us and the fascists, while they will advance from the east to Crimea with a small force of around 400 insurgents in the north to spread out the Russkov forces, during this 3 hours later our navy will begin bombardment of Sevastopol, supporting a massive invasion of 40K of our men who will be landing near the city on 5 different positions, in south, near west, close to north to regroup with the fascists and of course in the city itself in 2 locations as can be seen on this map, the goal is to encircle the enemy forces and split them at the same time, then with overwhelming numbers crush them from all sides and then to use Crimea as a staging point for further assaults this time focusing through north Caucasus and advancing to Volga, while taking the famous city once known as Stalingrad, we will avenge the white army who failed to capture it when it was still called Tsaritsyn. After that we will form a common ´´White Front´´ with the Siberian army and push with all we have north and west, towards Moscow.

Alternative plan was made by my friend who is currently organising preparations for a potential invasion of our land. Near Barcelona and south Spain few defence preparations are being made just in case. Anyway the other plan called ´´Finnish Sea´´ will be a landing similar to Crimea, with the difference that this would take place first on the Estonian islands from which with new bases of operation we will land directly in Lithuania and in Riga too. For this another move would be to break trough the lines and rush from Northern Lithuania towards Riga and from Riga south to close off the Russkovians in Baltic and starve them to death, alternatively we could offer those forces to surrender while promising them to make them into POW with rights rather then we usually do. With a stable front we would push from Riga towards Talinn and also make a separate naval invasion there to further weaken the defences, after that march onto Leningrad and help its forces to beat the commies out. Ironic considering we would be actively helping other bolsheviks but life doesn't exactly give us much options in this matter, following this a breaking point would be if we could pull off capturing Vilnus and from there advance into Belarus, and liberate Minsk. Considering Baltics it might be easier to control them as we could easily form their nations with the promise of full independence for help from the people, as in food, sabotages to Ruskov, recruits etc. Same in case of Belarus but we doubt that we would as successful there. If all of these goals are met with success last attack would be a massive offensive to recapture rest of Baltics and Belarus, then we would focus on advancing to Murmansk and clearing the North, uniting with Siberian Army through North rather then south, with this we could potentially encircle the entire ´´Central Moscow Area´´ as we call it, storming the Ruskovian positions from everywhere at the same time, however if we did this south would suffer being weaker and landing in Baltic seems harder, while the first plan may be easier to pull off however we won't have a single front for a longer time and will rely on uniting through a push towards Moscow from 3 sides.

The last plan is called ´´United Assault for Chaos´´ combining both plans into one and also landing in Murmansk at the same time, it would require a lot more men and we would be move open to attack if it failed, however we would put pressure everywhere on Ruskov while also dealing with the issue of deciding whether to focus on south or north, however our navy could be much easier to beat as we would need to split it into 3 separate parts so we would rely on luck for the most part, and supplying such an invasion would be a logistical nightmare for many, i doubt that this would be a good option for us, unless we can catch the Red Navy by surprise and deal them a large blow to have stable supply lines while also having a fleet to contest the seas.

For all plans we have already mobilised our forces as follows:

Reverse Hell: 40K (1K Elite, 9K Radical Militia, 30K Regulars)

Finnish Sea: 50K (10K Regulars for Islands 5K for each) (3K Militia for small islands) (7K Regulars for Riga) (5K Elite for Lithuania) 10K Soviets, 2K Cavalry, 8K Regulars for push to Riga after a successful landing in Lithuania.

United Assault for Chaos: 100K (same numbers for all but additional 10K Regulars for Murmansk) [/spoiler]

IC is in all of that.

Decision in 2 days and 10 hours or a bit later (up to 4 days if needed)

Russkov Soviet

Nuremgard wrote:Making pro-business, privatising, tax-cutting measures hurts me. Especially because my poor's income is being drastically slashed (and my taxes have barely shifted.)

But Nuremgard has a Conservative government. And the country must live within its means, tighten its belt, all in it together *insert meaningless BS Con line here*

It must tighten its belt until it suffocates!

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:It must tighten its belt until it suffocates!

It does. The tax rate in Nurem is crushing.

Spanelsko wrote:[spoiler]´´Meanwhile in Spanelsko Fortress of Chaos Iberia´´

FMHPH: Comrades we have 3 different plans to deal with the heretical bolsheviks in Russkov Soviet

Great Overseer of War please tell the others of the plans.

Great Overseer of War: We have as mentioned 3 different invasion plans to dissolve the bolshevik regime and establish the influence of the cult of chaos within the heartland of the communist revolution, first plan called ´´Reverse Hell´´ is a combined operation between us and the fascists, while they will advance from the east to Crimea with a small force of around 400 insurgents in the north to spread out the Russkov forces, during this 3 hours later our navy will begin bombardment of Sevastopol, supporting a massive invasion of 40K of our men who will be landing near the city on 5 different positions, in south, near west, close to north to regroup with the fascists and of course in the city itself in 2 locations as can be seen on this map, the goal is to encircle the enemy forces and split them at the same time, then with overwhelming numbers crush them from all sides and then to use Crimea as a staging point for further assaults this time focusing through north Caucasus and advancing to Volga, while taking the famous city once known as Stalingrad, we will avenge the white army who failed to capture it when it was still called Tsaritsyn. After that we will form a common ´´White Front´´ with the Siberian army and push with all we have north and west, towards Moscow.

Alternative plan was made by my friend who is currently organising preparations for a potential invasion of our land. Near Barcelona and south Spain few defence preparations are being made just in case. Anyway the other plan called ´´Finnish Sea´´ will be a landing similar to Crimea, with the difference that this would take place first on the Estonian islands from which with new bases of operation we will land directly in Lithuania and in Riga too. For this another move would be to break trough the lines and rush from Northern Lithuania towards Riga and from Riga south to close off the Russkovians in Baltic and starve them to death, alternatively we could offer those forces to surrender while promising them to make them into POW with rights rather then we usually do. With a stable front we would push from Riga towards Talinn and also make a separate naval invasion there to further weaken the defences, after that march onto Leningrad and help its forces to beat the commies out. Ironic considering we would be actively helping other bolsheviks but life doesn't exactly give us much options in this matter, following this a breaking point would be if we could pull off capturing Vilnus and from there advance into Belarus, and liberate Minsk. Considering Baltics it might be easier to control them as we could easily form their nations with the promise of full independence for help from the people, as in food, sabotages to Ruskov, recruits etc. Same in case of Belarus but we doubt that we would as successful there. If all of these goals are met with success last attack would be a massive offensive to recapture rest of Baltics and Belarus, then we would focus on advancing to Murmansk and clearing the North, uniting with Siberian Army through North rather then south, with this we could potentially encircle the entire ´´Central Moscow Area´´ as we call it, storming the Ruskovian positions from everywhere at the same time, however if we did this south would suffer being weaker and landing in Baltic seems harder, while the first plan may be easier to pull off however we won't have a single front for a longer time and will rely on uniting through a push towards Moscow from 3 sides.

The last plan is called ´´United Assault for Chaos´´ combining both plans into one and also landing in Murmansk at the same time, it would require a lot more men and we would be move open to attack if it failed, however we would put pressure everywhere on Ruskov while also dealing with the issue of deciding whether to focus on south or north, however our navy could be much easier to beat as we would need to split it into 3 separate parts so we would rely on luck for the most part, and supplying such an invasion would be a logistical nightmare for many, i doubt that this would be a good option for us, unless we can catch the Red Navy by surprise and deal them a large blow to have stable supply lines while also having a fleet to contest the seas.

For all plans we have already mobilised our forces as follows:

Reverse Hell: 40K (1K Elite, 9K Radical Militia, 30K Regulars)

Finnish Sea: 50K (10K Regulars for Islands 5K for each) (3K Militia for small islands) (7K Regulars for Riga) (5K Elite for Lithuania) 10K Soviets, 2K Cavalry, 8K Regulars for push to Riga after a successful landing in Lithuania.

United Assault for Chaos: 100K (same numbers for all but additional 10K Regulars for Murmansk) [/spoiler]

IC is in all of that.

Decision in 2 days and 10 hours or a bit later (up to 4 days if needed)

There is a bit of a flaw... Sevastopol, Volgograd, and the Caucasus Region aren't EQU territory. They fall under Chernarus State.

Could a Forum admin please reactivate my account.... I don't remember my password lol

Russkov Soviet

Russkov Soviet wrote:There is a bit of a flaw... Sevastopol, Volgograd, and the Caucasus Region aren't EQU territory. They fall under Chernarus State.

well..... fail on my part once again.

Russians, they never give you the right information when you invade their nation, wonder why.

Baltic it is then.

sorry for bothering you all, however could i ask for a small help? Can anyone of you give me ideas to expand upon my small idea?

(the new factbook section relating to the gods of chaos, as it will likely remain main theme with Spanelsko)

ALSO have a nice day everyone :)

Russkov Soviet

I am so happy tonight. I finally recovered from the February Collapse of 2017, which saw my Defense Forces spending drop from 10,400 to 2,100 over the course of the month. The Red Army still has some work to do to get back to the 15,800 we had on May 8th in 2016. But for now, I'll take being 14th (as of this post) in the region and one of the most positively rated militaries.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:I am so happy tonight. I finally recovered from the February Collapse of 2017, which saw my Defense Forces spending drop from 10,400 to 2,100 over the course of the month. The Red Army still has some work to do to get back to the 15,800 we had on May 8th in 2016. But for now, I'll take being 14th (as of this post) in the region and one of the most positively rated militaries.

If we weren't at war we would have certainly helped you comrade Stali..... ahem Coltsov.

*Meanwhile back home*

how have we not noticed the collapse of the red army?! Are our spies too drunk to report anything or what?

Russkov Soviet

Russkov Soviet

1 thing i remembered, our tanks are T-64s so quite outdated (remembered it because of the iron pact or whatever was its name)

If i remember anything else i will mention it in the section of EDITED.

Also how was your day been?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:Russkov Soviet

1 thing i remembered, our tanks are T-64s so quite outdated (remembered it because of the iron pact or whatever was its name)

If i remember anything else i will mention it in the section of EDITED.

Also how was your day been?

No worries. And my day has been pretty good at this point. I got off work early due to slow business, so I'll crunch the numbers regarding your offensive operations when I get home.

Jaslandia

Russkov Soviet wrote:I am so happy tonight. I finally recovered from the February Collapse of 2017, which saw my Defense Forces spending drop from 10,400 to 2,100 over the course of the month. The Red Army still has some work to do to get back to the 15,800 we had on May 8th in 2016. But for now, I'll take being 14th (as of this post) in the region and one of the most positively rated militaries.

The 27,000 strong Combined Armies of Unfallious scoffs at these babbie numbers

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Unfallious wrote:The 27,000 strong Combined Armies of Unfallious scoffs at these babbie numbers

So... your spending 27,000?

In random info Spanelsko declares Lake Baikal a holy land/lake

Unfallious wrote:The 27,000 strong Combined Armies of Unfallious scoffs at these babbie numbers

Even with my most advanced nation i barely am before you comrade Unfal, only 28K as HOJHU, good job.

Russkov Soviet

Edited factbooks. Please read and comment. Thanks. :)

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=1061777

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=265927

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=189361

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:[spoiler]Edited factbooks. Please read and comment. Thanks. :)

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=1061777

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=265927

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nuremgard/detail=factbook/id=189361 [/spoiler]

Looks amazing :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Mercunova

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Looks amazing :D

Thank you very much!

Penguania And Antarctica

Now that cracks me up! 12th in Pacifism, but holds 13th in Defense Forces? Oh my....

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Now that cracks me up! 12th in Pacifism, but holds 13th in Defense Forces? Oh my....

peace through overwhelming force

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Spanelsko wrote:peace through overwhelming force

That's right!

So, I pulled some numbers. Your "Finnish Sea" assault looks promising. I have yet to finish, but I can give you two pros and two cons.

So....

Pros: (1)The Baltics do offer some good terrain for small pockets of resistance. Make sure you have enough supplies. (2) Attacking Leningrad is a risk, but a well-coordinated army can pull it off. While the city may or may not fall, cause I have yet to run combat stats, you can cause massive casualties in the Red Army's attempts to reclaim the area.

Cons: (1) Your navy is strong, but you must allocate your resources carefully. Between helping the war effort, you must make sure your own waters are safe. The stats are positive on this for now. (2) Your friend helped you draft a plan to attack me, but is also planning on attacking you. I see you are prepared, but don't get caught in a two front fight. The numbers always favor the attacker in that.

Speaking of the numbers... I'll be hitting my calculator, paper, books and what have ya tomorrow. Best of luck, enemy.

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:That's right!

So, I pulled some numbers. Your "Finnish Sea" assault looks promising. I have yet to finish, but I can give you two pros and two cons.

So....

Pros: (1)The Baltics do offer some good terrain for small pockets of resistance. Make sure you have enough supplies. (2) Attacking Leningrad is a risk, but a well-coordinated army can pull it off. While the city may or may not fall, cause I have yet to run combat stats, you can cause massive casualties in the Red Army's attempts to reclaim the area.

Cons: (1) Your navy is strong, but you must allocate your resources carefully. Between helping the war effort, you must make sure your own waters are safe. The stats are positive on this for now. (2) Your friend helped you draft a plan to attack me, but is also planning on attacking you. I see you are prepared, but don't get caught in a two front fight. The numbers always favor the attacker in that.

Speaking of the numbers... I'll be hitting my calculator, paper, books and what have ya tomorrow. Best of luck, enemy.

makes sense, however i was confused about the ´´friend is preparing to attack me´´ and when i realised that you probably meant the friend of Great Overseer of War, it was meant that he is organising defence against possible RUSKOV attack, which i believed was easy to see from how i have written it, otherwise i can only think of another nation entering the war.

As for the Navy itself, i was thinking of having 60%-70% of it in Baltic and supply routes as we can leave the rest to blockade Gibraltar Area (the small space between Iberia and Morocco) and use it as a choke point, while also utilising naval guns from land on our islands and coast if your navy came close enough, thus why we are preparing for an enemy naval landing.

ALSO good luck Coltsov, may the Chaos Gods be on your side.

Russkov Soviet

Nuremgard's new Conservative government has been successfully fulfilling one of its core election promises which was to lower unemployment. Through privatisation, it has gradually raised employment away from crisis levels. It will do it all can to maintain this upward trajectory. Its next goal is to shrink the public sector and lower those crushing taxes.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Hmm... The WA is going over a "Ban on Capital Punishment". I think I'll support it, but will uphold the death penalty for the most extreme cases.

Also Spanelsko,

I've ran everything, double and triple checked the numbers, and..

5 Things to note from [I]Operation: Finnish Sea[/I]

1) Massive Naval Battle in English Channel - Thanks to our base on Sodor, we were able to detect a portion of your fleet heading north. (One of your battleships decided to break radio silence a bit too close to the Mainland.) Our interception of the convoy sparked a 6 hour battle that saw multiple ships on both sides going down, along with a staggering 1/4 of your force either being captured or destroyed. While you still have a strong force, reinforcement is going to be logistically problematic. The English Channel will be swarming with EQU Navy ships, making large convoy's impossible to sneak through and small ones easier to sneak but harder to defend.

2) Leningrad Center of Attention! - Despite losing 1/4 of your force, you managed to get some bases set up in the Baltics. You then drove onto Leningrad, just like the Nazi's in the Great Patriotic War. The city was still under preparations for defense, so you were able to get into the suburbs before resistance proved too great. The city is mostly in ruins as both of our armies fight a brutal Stalingrad-esque battle. (I wish I had Volgograd under my hoof, but it is in great hands with Chernarus State.) While I am able to bring large sets of reinforcements to the battle, and you only what makes it past the Channel, neither side is looking like their going to budge.

3) A Phony Ally? - As you know, I misinterpreted your post. I thought another nation was allied with you and had potential plans to strike when your back is turned. So, to plug that into the mix, I shifted a portion of the EQU Navy to a secret mooring in anticipation of getting a strike on your soil. Had they stayed in the Channel, or near my ports, then you could have suffered heavier casualties in your attempt to shift the Finnish Sea Assault Force (FSAF). There is no word on if the fleet is still there, or if it moved back. Still searching through the data.

4) Rivers of Blood - While I may hold an advantage in equipment and forces, you have managed to strike swiftly and fiercely enough to deal a bloody blow. Not only are our casualties higher than expected, but our morale has dropped some. There are a few rumors among some of the EQRAC (Equestrian Red Army Command) that a defensive stance is needed. Not since the 1950's has this been considered inside Moscow.

And 5) Tooth, Claw, and... Bomb? - Your force is one to be reckoned with, that much is sure. I don't know if the numbers aren't clicking right, or if I'm forgetting something... But there are only three ways this operation will end. [One, your forces will have to dig in and fight to the last. Reinforcements aren't coming in and supplies are slim. Given your stats, it may take me around eight months to fully clean up.] [Two, you manage to get some reinforcements in. Command decides to launch an attack towards a strategic target. Whether you succeed or fail will be up to the calculations.] [Three, you have to pull back. We've managed to strike your own soil.]

Alrighty people! Lemme just say... I love you all! Even if your trying to overthrow my nation...

Spanelsko

I hope this current WA vote on capital punishment passes. If nothing else, it'll cause an absolute meltdown on the forums. A bunch of people are going to resign and I even heard some grumblings of an alternative WA organisation.

Bearlong, Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia

Unfallious wrote:I hope this current WA vote on capital punishment passes. If nothing else, it'll cause an absolute meltdown on the forums. A bunch of people are going to resign and I even heard some grumblings of an alternative WA organisation.

It's times like these that make the WA worth it.

Also today is the last day to vote on B024.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/104/b024-border-security-act

Russkov Soviet

[spoiler]*Emergency meeting of the High Lords and military staff*

Field Marshall High Priest of Death (FHHPD): Comrades, we have gained interesting news from the front, it seems that Commander Dragov Ulvariovich, managed to push back the bolshevik horses back through the suburbs of Leningrad quite well, if he lasts out the battle for a month or 2 or manages to win i will personally promote him to General, also as he proven his loyalty to our cause, and our Gods he will receive the medal of high order of war. Sending member of the Hell Guard (former Ruskovians) was a genius idea, he also requested some heavy support, Great Khan of Famine what's your stance on this?

GKF: It is indeed surprising, however his achievements do deserve a reward, we will send him few tanks and vehicles to help his task. However i am sure as you all know... well Plague Master Admiral?

PMA: My fleet has encountered the Red Navy in the English channel, and even through the battle was quite even it did sabotage our attempts a bit... i propose a direct plan to shatter the Red Navy in one decisive strike! 80% of all our naval forces will fight the Red Navy, we will also use our air force in this, by using our Carriers we can gain a significant advantage in the air with 60 fighters, however this would be too easy... we will send out fake signals about our location mentioning 3 chemical missiles that would be launched at Moscow, from the Islands in Baltic, together with additional support of armor and air forces arriving in Baltic to support battle of Leningrad, once the Red Navy is stuck in English channel battling our ships the main fleet will engage them from north and west, and if they decide to retreat, well i prepared for that even if we lose few submarines will go to their base in Sodor and wait for them, if they try to hide there we will surprise them, but before that one of our carries will sail there with tiny defence support of few ships, and use its 10 bombers and 5 fighters to attack the port, joining the main battle later after somewhere near france the bombers will leave and be replaced by fighters. This should in Theory damage them enough that we can gain control over the seas. ALSO just to be sure, we will send 2 different routes of convoys, 1 through English channel without anything and a second one around Ireland and Scotland going trough north. This convoy will have some reinforcements and mainly the armored support. Do you support my plan? *there is silence for 10 minutes in the room* *suddenly all representatives 666 of them raise their arms and say* FOR CHAOS! GOD OF WAR WILLS THEIR DEATH! In that case we can launch the Operation Sea Wolf (OSW) without anyone arguing against it, perfect. Logistics commander may you speak now?

Juan Alfanzer: Indeed, this should help us with the naval problem, however we will also send a small convoy near the coast of France separate from the battle to use its chaos for our advantage, men and few tanks. Anyway the exact numbers of all that will be transported is: 20000 men, half of Patriots of the Black Flag (one of the 6 guards) and also 150 T-64s with additional 500 vehicles, also we will send a small portion of engineers to build us an air field on the largest Estonian island, since it will allow better supply for us and also air presence, maybe we should even contact the other groups fighting the Bolsheviks? We haven't heard much about their battles in Moscow and other areas, from what i also know Ural and the borders of Chernarus State were crossed so these 2 groups can finally hit their targets and partially surprise the Red army, i also propose to do an attack on Murmansk, Great Overseer of War explain.

GOW: We have managed to confuse the Red Navy already, since we have let the info about our preparations for an invasion be leaked out to their nation their attack on our navy was weaker, we want to use this once again, as can be seen by the Admirals plan, however we ourselves want to do something a bit tricky, we want to attack Murmansk during the large naval battle, however with a surprise, 3 of our submarines will go around UK and continue near Svalbard, from there our small task force of 500 elite will during night land near the city and launch offensive from 3 sides, this is where it all comes down to how well they do.... if they manage to capture certain important areas, or destroy defences they will send out a signal that we plan to have the Reds listen to, it will mention that in 5 days large assault on the City will begin with a landing of 10000 men, which is of course fake info, 50% of the elite will remain in the city while the other half (those who survive) will scout out and set up small camps through out the wilderness to destroy supply routes, sabotage infrastructure etc. to make it more believable that we will indeed attack there, after the time passes they will continue with their action trying to kill officers and other important members of the Red Army, also we will send out an order to the Lenigrad force now to build some trenches and tunnels to make it hell for the Red army, we want to make sure that they will be fortified in the city for a long time, however for now only few will be upon that task as we still want that city to fall. How goes the reeducation program btw?

Minister of the Cult: We have gained some supporters to our religion in the Baltic, even few Estonians and Latvians joined us marking their bodies with the ancient symbols and making some temples even, however this process is quite slow and mainly focus for now on villages rather then main cities.

Field Marshall High Priest of Death: OK this is it, for the most part, now we will talk about our defences and their progress, but that is something for the main Lords to do so i will leave too, this meeting is over for most of us. [/spoiler] OOC

Russkov Soviet some stuff like last time.

I also edited it into paragraphs so its easier to read.

BTW the convoy with ´´nothing´´ is the fake convoy, mentioning it just in case since it would likely confuse even me :p

Russkov Soviet

Penguania And Antarctica pls vote for the resolution as delegate

Bearlong

New Poll! We're back baby!

Yukona, Unfallious, Lex Caledonia

What do you all make of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/10/uk-parliamentary-boundary-changes-final-plans-unveiled

Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Yukona, Unfallious, Lex Caledonia

What do you all make of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/10/uk-parliamentary-boundary-changes-final-plans-unveiled

It really isn't the right time to go slashing seats in Parliament when we need it more than ever during Brexit negotiations.

Bearlong, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Yukona, Unfallious, Lex Caledonia

What do you all make of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/10/uk-parliamentary-boundary-changes-final-plans-unveiled

Unfallious wrote:It really isn't the right time to go slashing seats in Parliament when we need it more than ever during Brexit negotiations.

I agree with Unf tbh. Their aim when they introduced this was to allow for constituencies with equal voters, down south in England I imagine it would work with some places due to the population density but for a majority of areas it would do nothing but smash completely opposing communities together in less populated areas like the north of England, the borders, Western and highlands of Scotland, a large chunk of Wales and the west part of Northern Ireland. I actually feel really bad for Welsh voters, they're meant to change their number of seats from 40 to 29!!

Unfallious wrote:It really isn't the right time to go slashing seats in Parliament when we need it more than ever during Brexit negotiations.

What bearing does it have on negotiations?

Lex Caledonia wrote:I agree with Unf tbh. Their aim when they introduced this was to allow for constituencies with equal voters, down south in England I imagine it would work with some places due to the population density but for a majority of areas it would do nothing but smash completely opposing communities together in less populated areas like the north of England, the borders, Western and highlands of Scotland, a large chunk of Wales and the west part of Northern Ireland. I actually feel really bad for Welsh voters, they're meant to change their number of seats from 40 to 29!!

My jaw hit the floor when I read your last sentence. 40 to 29?! How is that even legal? The Tories are gerrymandering with this.

Lex Caledonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:I agree with Unf tbh. Their aim when they introduced this was to allow for constituencies with equal voters, down south in England I imagine it would work with some places due to the population density but for a majority of areas it would do nothing but smash completely opposing communities together in less populated areas like the north of England, the borders, Western and highlands of Scotland, a large chunk of Wales and the west part of Northern Ireland. I actually feel really bad for Welsh voters, they're meant to change their number of seats from 40 to 29!!

Simply a thinly-veiled power grab.

Nuremgard, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:Simply a thinly-veiled power grab.

Nuremgard wrote:What bearing does it have on negotiations?

My jaw hit the floor when I read your last sentence. 40 to 29?! How is that even legal? The Tories are gerrymandering with this.

Yeah I think the Tories are just bringing this up so they can take the heat away from them and Brexit tbh. I agree Yuk.

Nuremgard, Yukona

I'm actually really curious about this, I'm gonna go read up on the reports and get back to you on who loses seats/who gains.

(Spoiler: The Tories will probably come out on top for SOME REASON.)

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:What bearing does it have on negotiations?

My jaw hit the floor when I read your last sentence. 40 to 29?! How is that even legal? The Tories are gerrymandering with this.

Because Parliament should be getting a vote on the final deal, and that vote is going to hardly be very representative with all the seats slashed to hell and back.

Nuremgard

Lex Caledonia wrote:I'm actually really curious about this, I'm gonna go read up on the reports and get back to you on who loses seats/who gains.

(Spoiler: The Tories will probably come out on top for SOME REASON.)

I am interested because I want to see how the Scottish boundaries are being changed.

Unfallious wrote:Because Parliament should be getting a vote on the final deal, and that vote is going to hardly be very representative with all the seats slashed to hell and back.

I highly doubt Parliament will be getting a vote on it. May is a little Fuhrer.

Bearlong

Nuremgard wrote:I am interested because I want to see how the Scottish boundaries are being changed.

I highly doubt Parliament will be getting a vote on it. May is a little Fuhrer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4WrmkNvbQ&t=

Yukona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4WrmkNvbQ&t=

I haven't had beans on toast in a long time.

since i am not sure if you would have seen it:

I just checked the map again and realised that Murmansk is technically a ´´wasteland´´ or also ´´no-mans land´´

So Russkov Soviet will it be ok if we pretended that we meant Arkhangelsk? Alternatively we can do something like in your case but this time us accidentally invading the wrong land, its up to you.

EDIT: alternatively, anything you can think of.

Russkov Soviet

Spanelsko wrote:since i am not sure if you would have seen it:

I just checked the map again and realised that Murmansk is technically a ´´wasteland´´ or also ´´no-mans land´´

So Russkov Soviet will it be ok if we pretended that we meant Arkhangelsk? Alternatively we can do something like in your case but this time us accidentally invading the wrong land, its up to you.

EDIT: alternatively, anything you can think of.

I can work with that. I'll run some stuff tonight.

Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:I can work with that. I'll run some stuff tonight.

k, i hope that i don't put you under much pressure with this, i know that IRL it must be quite stressful, either way good luck both IRL and in game, i will leave again for few hours, have a nice rest of the day Russkov and others. :)

-Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet

Just joined the organ donor registry. Been meaning to for ages.

Jaslandia, Mercunova

Apparently Scotland will lose 6 seats if these boundary changes go through. Wales will lose a chunk too.

Why don't we just abolish all the MPs for the devolved nations and have Westminster decide everything for us without the numerically insignificant MPs?

Union of equals my hairy bawsack.

Penguania And Antarctica, Vladivostokava

Nuremgard wrote:Apparently Scotland will lose 6 seats if these boundary changes go through. Wales will lose a chunk too.

Why don't we just abolish all the MPs for the devolved nations and have Westminster decide everything for us without the numerically insignificant MPs?

Union of equals my hairy bawsack.

And England loses 32, go figure lol

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Vladivostokava

Yukona wrote:And England loses 32, go figure lol

Control freaks, the lot of them.

Lex Caledonia, Vladivostokava

Post self-deleted by Penguania And Antarctica.

Ahhh fvck you NS! I chose a pro-military option that was supposed to increase spending on the Defense Forces, but you drop them big time? AAAHHHHGGGHHHHH!!!!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Vladivostokava, Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Ahhh fvck you NS! I chose a pro-military option that was supposed to increase spending on the Defense Forces, but you drop them big time? AAAHHHHGGGHHHHH!!!!

Life isn't a rose garden.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vladivostokava, Spanelsko

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Life isn't a rose garden.

What's odd is that despite going down, I moved up a place from 13th to 12th. That works! 12th Most Pacifist and 12th Largest Defense Force. So many flowers in my garden... xP

Jaslandia, Vladivostokava, Spanelsko

Just realised something:

Pacifism

World Top 99% World Rank 157,487th of 159,705 Region Rank 99th of 99 Region Top 100%

Spanelsko 3.44 Cheeks Turned Per Day

Nations ranked highly pursue diplomatic solutions rather than military ones in the international arena, have small or nonexistent militaries, and peace-loving citizens.

No wonder we fight ourselves half the (something F) time, we have less then 4% people who actually believe in peace :p

edit: i made some basic thoughts and memories for the commander in Leningrad, have fun reading it (not sure why anyone would or how could they have fun with my terrible writing skills) added this info here so i don't have to make separate post about something so small

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

These new EU internet copyright laws make me wonder if Brexit was a good idea after all

Russkov Soviet, Mercunova

Spanelsko wrote: i made some basic thoughts and memories for the commander in Leningrad, have fun reading it (not sure why anyone would or how could they have fun with my terrible writing skills) added this info here so i don't have to make separate post about something so small

Just read it. Looks great! I'm still sorting through some papers, so I'll have to post a few small 'updates' instead of a big one. And to answer the question in his writings: "Despite being one of the most well trained and fiercest forces, the Red Army has fallen into a lull after defeating the Scandinavian privateers last year. The sudden attack on Moscow, and the subsequent invasion, came as a shock. It is only a matter of time before the full might of the Red Army will be brought to bear."

Spanelsko

Post self-deleted by Nuremgard.

Russkov Soviet wrote:Just read it. Looks great! I'm still sorting through some papers, so I'll have to post a few small 'updates' instead of a big one. And to answer the question in his writings: "Despite being one of the most well trained and fiercest forces, the Red Army has fallen into a lull after defeating the Scandinavian privateers last year. The sudden attack on Moscow, and the subsequent invasion, came as a shock. It is only a matter of time before the full might of the Red Army will be brought to bear."

No problem, i expected something like this, it may also make it easier for me to think of ´´our´´ moves. And as can be seen by my post before i am surprised that you called it great, thanks.

Russkov Soviet

Spanelsko! Got the first update calculated.

Leningrad

12th of September, 2018

Commander Ulvariovich and his men have succeeded in taking the Winter Palace, but at greater cost than anticipated. A few other small gains had been made by the 77th and their supporting battalions, but these soon ran out of momentum. While the Hell Guard was enjoying some more success in the meat-grinder that was Leningrad, the commanders of the army failed to notice signs of the growing Red Army strength. For example, a nearby village was reported to only be defended by 200 infantry and a single tank, but when the Hell Guard arrived they found 800 soldiers backed by 20 tanks and light artillery. The village remains untaken.

Time is running out.

Spanelsko

can i just point out that the date of his memory was 26th of september and the attack on Winter Palace was supposed to take place 4 days later? I didn't know that we invented time machine :p

Russkov Soviet

Few mistakes i noticed Russkov Soviet

1: He is the only member of the Hell Guard in Leningrad thus why it was mentioned that sending a member of Hell Guard was a good idea

2: 77th refers to his number in the guard itself as its 77th member.

i am writing it here since i am not sure when you reply and maybe you would have missed it on the other ones.

the name of the army that is leading is the 17th Army Group Baltic his personal command group (his guards and officers) are part of the ´´91st regiment Ulrich´´ due to losses and battles numbering around 700 from the usual 1200 so you can use these names as reference.

Russkov Soviet

Spanelsko wrote:Few mistakes i noticed Russkov Soviet

1: He is the only member of the Hell Guard in Leningrad thus why it was mentioned that sending a member of Hell Guard was a good idea

2: 77th refers to his number in the guard itself as its 77th member.

i am writing it here since i am not sure when you reply and maybe you would have missed it on the other ones.

the name of the army that is leading is the 17th Army Group Baltic his personal command group (his guards and officers) are part of the ´´91st regiment Ulrich´´ due to losses and battles numbering around 700 from the usual 1200 so you can use these names as reference.

Ahh... I see now. Alright. I'll put those down on my data sheet.

Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Ahh... I see now. Alright. I'll put those down on my data sheet.

Good, if you need any additional data just text me here or by telegram, same for names and other stuff.

I had to do something so that's why i am replying a bit later, one thing i want to ask since you mentioned in the last post that time is running out does that mean that i should RP his decision? Or was is to build up tension?

I am fine with both but would prefer to know so you wouldn't have to wait for me or i wouldn't have to write something for basically no reason as its outcome would already be known to you.

EDIT: as soon as i clicked edit i saw the red 1 next to notices appear so i have no clue what you are saying if anything as i am writing this, ANYWAY i also wanted to say that the time issue i can see as how Russia has a different calendar we can call it that so that's why the 12th of september and 26th of september seems to not make sense, as for the name fails i think that RP reason for that would be some misinformation during the transmissions that were caught by the Red Army (i have no clue what you call your guys who try to break though secret codes so that's why i say red army)

Russkov Soviet

Spanelsko wrote:Good, if you need any additional data just text me here or by telegram, same for names and other stuff.

I had to do something so that's why i am replying a bit later, one thing i want to ask since you mentioned in the last post that time is running out does that mean that i should RP his decision? Or was is to build up tension?

I am fine with both but would prefer to know so you wouldn't have to wait for me or i wouldn't have to write something for basically no reason as its outcome would already be known to you.

Time is running out for your troops xD. Not irl time.

Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Time is running out for your troops xD. Not irl time.

so no need for me to do anything ok, small edit above.

My troops have always been prepared for the worst :P

Russkov Soviet

To clarify the previous,

1) I didn't know what the date was, so I went with the current. I have it marked as the 26th/27th now.

2) While most of the individual divisions are unknown, I have four armies deployed. The 2nd Army, 54th Army, 55th Army, and the 4th Byelorussian Army.

3) I try to keep most of the units unknown, due to the chaos of combat.

4) Communications are weakened for us. This can cause misinterpretation of units, just like how we thought that Commander Ulvariovich had his own unit, not being a specialist attached to a unit.

Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:To clarify the previous,

1) I didn't know what the date was, so I went with the current. I have it marked as the 26th/27th now.

2) While most of the individual divisions are unknown, I have four armies deployed. The 2nd Army, 54th Army, 55th Army, and the 4th Byelorussian Army.

3) I try to keep most of the units unknown, due to the chaos of combat.

4) Communications are weakened for us. This can cause misinterpretation of units, just like how we thought that Commander Ulvariovich had his own unit, not being a specialist attached to a unit.

works for me, also whenever i write something to his notes i always put the date above the new paragraphs (left corner)

i will also rarely mention separate units and divisions etc. unless they are worth mentioning.

Russkov Soviet

one thing i forgot to ask about, as you have mention in a post like 13 days ago i think it was that the war lasts already 3 weeks i made some dates in the notes of the commander somewhat accordingly, so that's why there is some time skipping in it, shall we decide on official way to measure time? like for example 1 IRL day 4 RP days etc. or shall we keep it chaotic as it is now?

I am fine with both, if you want a specific time write it and tomorrow i have a look at it, as i am going to sleep.

SO good night everyone :)

Russkov Soviet

Spanelsko wrote:one thing i forgot to ask about, as you have mention in a post like 13 days ago i think it was that the war lasts already 3 weeks i made some dates in the notes of the commander somewhat accordingly, so that's why there is some time skipping in it, shall we decide on official way to measure time? like for example 1 IRL day 4 RP days etc. or shall we keep it chaotic as it is now?

I am fine with both, if you want a specific time write it and tomorrow i have a look at it, as i am going to sleep.

SO good night everyone :)

Well... According to the stat sheet, it should be October 2nd. I guess from then on.. I can do 1 IRL = 2 RP days.

Spanelsko

What do you Brits think of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/12/tory-brexiter-group-publishes-plan-for-checks-away-from-irish-border

Russkov Soviet

Gualimole wrote:What do you Brits think of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/12/tory-brexiter-group-publishes-plan-for-checks-away-from-irish-border

Idiotic cherry-picking.

I have thought for a while now that May's government wants to deliberately crash out the EU without a deal so it can blame all the hardships thereafter on Brussels.

Axeldonia

Russkov Soviet wrote:Well... According to the stat sheet, it should be October 2nd. I guess from then on.. I can do 1 IRL = 2 RP days.

works for me.

Russkov Soviet

Nuremgard wrote:Idiotic cherry-picking.

I have thought for a while now that May's government wants to deliberately crash out the EU without a deal so it can blame all the hardships thereafter on Brussels.

That’s more JRM’s plan

Yukona wrote:That’s more JRM’s plan

JRM belongs in another century.

Nuremgard wrote:JRM belongs in another century.

I like how he stays true to who he is, he doesn't hide himself behind a facade like Boris or others. By all means, I don't agree with his views whatsoever, but he's a capable politician. I didn't like how those people protested outside of his house, an elected member of parliament and their family (and any politician for that matter) should not be accosted by the public simply because of their opinions, we do live in a democracy after all.

Yukona wrote:I like how he stays true to who he is, he doesn't hide himself behind a facade like Boris or others. By all means, I don't agree with his views whatsoever, but he's a capable politician. I didn't like how those people protested outside of his house, an elected member of parliament and their family (and any politician for that matter) should not be accosted by the public simply because of their opinions, we do live in a democracy after all.

You mean how when he saw the protesters outside, saw an opportunity for a bit of publicity and decided to bring his family out to face them, knowing something might happen?

What a stellar guy he is.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:You mean how when he saw the protesters outside, saw an opportunity for a bit of publicity and decided to bring his family out to face them, knowing something might happen?

What a stellar guy he is.

He made a point that it was in public, which it was, but they were still outside his house. If a bunch of Tories were propped up outside of Nicola Sturgeon's house I'm sure you'd be bouncing off of the f*cking ceiling lol. Have a bit of empathy, bro.

Yukona wrote:He made a point that it was in public, which it was, but they were still outside his house. If a bunch of Tories were propped up outside of Nicola Sturgeon's house I'm sure you'd be bouncing off of the f*cking ceiling lol. Have a bit of empathy, bro.

Why should I have empathy for such a horrid man? Where is your deep and touching concern for those who have been horribly affected by the benefits cuts JRM has voted for? The protesters shouted "your daddy is a horrible man." That's accurate. He is.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Why should I have empathy for such a horrid man? Where is your deep and touching concern for those who have been horribly affected by the benefits cuts JRM has voted for? The protesters shouted "your daddy is a horrible man." That's accurate. He is.

"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend".

Kids have no choice over who their pap pap is for a start, nor do they condone his political views by being part of his family. Furthermore, I doubt he is genuinely evil, using that word too much diminishes its meaning, in my humble opinion. I can show concern for his family and the harassment of MP's (regardless of their stance) and at the same time not support him.

Yukona wrote:"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend".

Kids have no choice over who their pap pap is for a start, nor do they condone his political views by being part of his family. Furthermore, I doubt he is genuinely evil, using that word too much diminishes its meaning, in my humble opinion. I can show concern for his family and the harassment of MP's (regardless of their stance) and at the same time not support him.

Let's take that little quote of yours up there.

Are you saying that if your friend told you, "Yuk, I am your friend and I love you but honestly, these benefits scroungers are out of control. I am going to vote Tory because I think people like your mum should jump through hoops to prove to the government she is worthy of her benefit money. Now I know this is going to cause your mum and your family a lot of distress but please don't call me evil. It's just my political opinion that your mum deserves less money from the state to live on. Now what pizza should we get?"

Are you saying you'd maintain a friendship with someone like that? Because that's the position my mum is in. So forgive me if I don't want to be best buds with a Tory or think JRM is just a nice man with different opinions to me. He's not. He's actively voted to make my mum's life worse while he sits pretty with his millions.

But you expect me to feel sorry for him and to respect him because he "remains true to who he is" or whatever it was you said?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Let's take that little quote of yours up there.

Are you saying that if your friend told you, "Yuk, I am your friend and I love you but honestly, these benefits scroungers are out of control. I am going to vote Tory because I think people like your mum should jump through hoops to prove to the government she is worthy of her benefit money. Now I know this is going to cause your mum and your family a lot of distress but please don't call me evil. It's just my political opinion that your mum deserves less money from the state to live on. Now what pizza should we get?"

Are you saying you'd maintain a friendship with someone like that? Because that's the position my mum is in. So forgive me if I don't want to be best buds with a Tory or think JRM is just a nice man with different opinions to me. He's not. He's actively voted to make my mum's life worse while he sits pretty with his millions.

But you expect me to feel sorry for him and to respect him because he "remains true to who he is" or whatever it was you said?

Nah I'm not saying that at all to be quite frank. You don't have to do anything, and you certainly don't have to respect him.

Nuremgard wrote:Let's take that little quote of yours up there.

Are you saying that if your friend told you, "Yuk, I am your friend and I love you but honestly, these benefits scroungers are out of control. I am going to vote Tory because I think people like your mum should jump through hoops to prove to the government she is worthy of her benefit money. Now I know this is going to cause your mum and your family a lot of distress but please don't call me evil. It's just my political opinion that your mum deserves less money from the state to live on. Now what pizza should we get?"

Are you saying you'd maintain a friendship with someone like that? Because that's the position my mum is in. So forgive me if I don't want to be best buds with a Tory or think JRM is just a nice man with different opinions to me. He's not. He's actively voted to make my mum's life worse while he sits pretty with his millions.

But you expect me to feel sorry for him and to respect him because he "remains true to who he is" or whatever it was you said?

Just gonna say it, you ever considered visiting a therapist because there's a lot of hatred boiling inside you.

Yukona

Yukona wrote:Nah I'm not saying that at all to be quite frank. You don't have to do anything, and you certainly don't have to respect him.

I'm sure JRM appreciates you white knighting him.

Axeldonia, Mercunova, Yukona

Chernarus State wrote:Just gonna say it, you ever considered visiting a therapist because there's a lot of hatred boiling inside you.

Damn right I hate Tories, given the policies they vote for and implement, which have directly affected me and my family.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sure JRM appreciates you white knighting him.

To be fair, I think it's less me white knighting him, and more you misrepresenting my views in an analogy lol.

Yukona wrote:To be fair, I think it's less me white knighting him, and more you misrepresenting my views in an analogy lol.

Lol indeed.

Nuremgard wrote:Damn right I hate Tories, given the policies they vote for and implement, which have directly affected me and my family.

That's not just for the Conservatives, I mean a lot of things you tend to have this undiluted hate for and it honestly disturbs me.

Yukona

Chernarus State wrote:That's not just for the Conservatives, I mean a lot of things you tend to have this undiluted hate for and it honestly disturbs me.

I don't give a f*ck if it disturbs you.

Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:I don't give a f*ck if it disturbs you.

oh the irony

Yukona wrote:oh the irony

You actually do think you're so superior don't you?

Axeldonia, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:You actually do think you're so superior don't you?

What? Not at all mate? I was actually having a good chuckle at the irony, have a look for yourself = "you have a lot of hate, you should get that sorted" to which a response was given "go f*ck yourself".

Yukona wrote:What? Not at all mate? I was actually having a good chuckle at the irony, have a look for yourself = "you have a lot of hate, you should get that sorted" to which a response was given "go f*ck yourself".

You're right. I should have said, "you know what? You're so right. Thank you for helping me see the light."

Nuremgard wrote:I don't give a f*ck if it disturbs you.

Just saying, you might want to put that hate into something productive or talk to a therapist to de-stress

Nuremgard wrote:You're right. I should have said, "you know what? You're so right. Thank you for helping me see the light."

I just found it quite ironic and funny mate

Chernarus State wrote:Just saying, you might want to put that hate into something productive or talk to a therapist to de-stress

Thanks for your sage advice.

Yukona wrote:I just found it quite ironic and funny mate

By the way, I never said "go f*ck yourself." I said "I don't give a f*ck if it disturbs you."

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Thanks for your sage advice.

By the way, I never said "go f*ck yourself." I said "I don't give a f*ck if it disturbs you."

Just gonna level with ya, this is part of the reason I bailed.

Chernarus State wrote:Just gonna level with ya, this is part of the reason I bailed.

I'm one of the reasons why you bailed what?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:You actually do think you're so superior don't you?

Be chill my duder. Mogg is a c*nt, no doubt about it, there's no need to thrash out at others. Doesn't do you any favours.

Chernarus State wrote:Just gonna say it, you ever considered visiting a therapist because there's a lot of hatred boiling inside you.

I'd honestly thought I'd never see the day of you giving anger advice Tex :L

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:Be chill my duder. Mogg is a c*nt, no doubt about it, there's no need to thrash out at others. Doesn't do you any favours.I'd honestly thought I'd never see the day of you giving anger advice Tex :L

My inner William Wallace got the better of me.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:I'm one of the reasons why you bailed what?

Left the region (somewhat, given I'm still here), but I just got tired of constantly seeing this anger that seems to only increase over time.

Chernarus State wrote:Left the region (somewhat, given I'm still here), but I just got tired of constantly seeing this anger that seems to only increase over time.

If comments by random strangers online makes you want to bail, maybe you should see the therapist, not me.

Axeldonia, Gualimole

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