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United Yugoslav States wrote:Nowhere does it state in the constitution, declaration of Independence, bill of rights, or any law documents have said that secession is illegal. It has only been the presidents word that said it was illegal. Plus, what if the government became corrupt and authoritarian, should a state not be allowed to leave then?

Again, people could secede, but the US won't just let them do that, regardless if it's in the Constitution or not.

Kalaron wrote:Right, consequences that are being seen as punishments.

The difference between stating that you will "disincentive" leaving and punish a nation for making the choice is entirely in perception, it doesn't make people in Britain want to stay, it just makes them scared to leave and angry (A nationalist being told not to do something by a threat hasn't really worked in the past) which eventually just cements itself as solid anger.

TL;DR:

Threats are to making people cooperate, as pouring copious amounts of venom into a wound is to healing.

Also, the actual case that matters here is Sulanian Independence, which is literally a matter that could be punished as Bax just said.

The dude has work and school, you know. It could also have been that he had to go?

I again point to the two ideas that I gave that could pretty easily satisfy most of the SNP -if given right- and wouldn't really steal too much from the Reich in the long term.

I hope that last comment was to the US question, and not the Sulanian one.

I don't think Sul would have a whole election, based on chance, then leave because he had stuff to do. I respect his choice, whatever it may be, but I don't think that's the reasoning. He did say when he joined that he'd "be the Scotland of the Reich". But hey, you're his BF. If you know those two things would satisfy the SNP, then it's worth looking into.

That last one was US, not Sul

United Yugoslav States

Calofas wrote:What?! I'm not the only Scottish person here?

Donald: Aye! A fellaw Scotsman! Welcome, mah mukker! Aam Donald, an' this is mah twin Douglas.

Douglas: We used tae wark oan th' Caledonian Railway near Glasgee, an' 'en oan its successor th' LMS, until we came tae Sodor in 1959.

https://youtu.be/75wgIvsKzJM

Jaslandia, Percyton

Baxten wrote:Again, people could secede, but the US won't just let them do that, regardless if it's in the Constitution or not.

I don't think Sul would have a whole election, based on chance, then leave because he had stuff to do. I respect his choice, whatever it may be, but I don't think that's the reasoning. He did say when he joined that he'd "be the Scotland of the Reich". But hey, you're his BF. If you know those two things would satisfy the SNP, then it's worth looking into.

That last one was US, not Sul

Well...ok you win. Ill say this. California deserves independence, they were FORCED to join the United States.

United Yugoslav States wrote:Well...ok you win. Ill say this. California deserves independence, they were FORCED to join the United States.

I sometimes wonder what the US and, consequently, the world be like if the US and Canada was fractured into different countries (California, Cascadia, Quebec, Texas, etc). Interesting scenario, really

United Yugoslav States

Baxten wrote:I sometimes wonder what the US and, consequently, the world be like if the US and Canada was fractured into different countries (California, Cascadia, Quebec, Texas, etc). Interesting scenario, really

California, Texas, CSA, Alaska, Cascadia, Quebec, Vermont, New England all have independence movements. The highest is Alaska with 10% support.

Nuremgard wrote:Who cares if the EU punishes Britain anyway? They made their bed so need to lie in it. The EU owes them jack sh!t.

I support any self-determination movement if there is sufficient desire for one.

Mostly because it serves absolutely no one to punish it?

Like, if you want to win any nation into staying, going full on "I'll stab you for leaving" isn't the way to go because that just makes otherwise neutral citizens angry at you.

Baxten wrote:Again, people could secede, but the US won't just let them do that, regardless if it's in the Constitution or not.

I don't think Sul would have a whole election, based on chance, then leave because he had stuff to do. I respect his choice, whatever it may be, but I don't think that's the reasoning. He did say when he joined that he'd "be the Scotland of the Reich". But hey, you're his BF. If you know those two things would satisfy the SNP, then it's worth looking into.

That last one was US, not Sul

Why in the name of god wouldn't he?

The election took place over multiple days, he naturally had to go to work and stuff during that period -I would know, most of my day is sitting around waiting for him to get back TBH- and I can't find the reason that today would be any different just because he had a debate?

I'm just offering possibilities that should satisfy both groups since it let's the Nationalists run around with a victory and costs pretty much null for y'all.

United Yugoslav States wrote:Well...ok you win. Ill say this. California deserves independence, they were FORCED to join the United States.

I mean, they don't want it and would really be trounced by it.

Like, the only people who want it would make a much larger problem for themselves if they honestly do, considering that their Aquifer is on the brink of collapse.

Kalaron wrote:Mostly because it serves absolutely no one to punish it?

Like, if you want to win any nation into staying, going full on "I'll stab you for leaving" isn't the way to go because that just makes otherwise neutral citizens angry at you.

Why in the name of god wouldn't he?

The election took place over multiple days, he naturally had to go to work and stuff during that period -I would know, most of my day is sitting around waiting for him to get back TBH- and I can't find the reason that today would be any different just because he had a debate?

I'm just offering possibilities that should satisfy both groups since it let's the Nationalists run around with a victory and costs pretty much null for y'all.

I mean, they don't want it and would really be trounced by it.

Like, the only people who want it would make a much larger problem for themselves if they honestly do, considering that their Aquifer is on the brink of collapse.

But the EU is not trying to convince the UK to stay. It's leaving. I hope the EU makes it as difficult as possible for the UK.

United Yugoslav States wrote:The highest is Alaska with 10% support.

Well, if that means Sarah Palin wouldn't be a US citizen anymore, then I think I could support that. Otherwise, Calexit is stupid tbh? And the dude leading the 'movement' had ties to the Russians. He wasn't even a true American? He left for Russia right after Calexit fizzled. Nothing more than another Russian trying to stir up trouble here.

Aghrabia

Kalaron wrote:Mostly because it serves absolutely no one to punish it?

Like, if you want to win any nation into staying, going full on "I'll stab you for leaving" isn't the way to go because that just makes otherwise neutral citizens angry at you.

Why in the name of god wouldn't he?

The election took place over multiple days, he naturally had to go to work and stuff during that period -I would know, most of my day is sitting around waiting for him to get back TBH- and I can't find the reason that today would be any different just because he had a debate?

I'm just offering possibilities that should satisfy both groups since it let's the Nationalists run around with a victory and costs pretty much null for y'all.

I mean, they don't want it and would really be trounced by it.

Like, the only people who want it would make a much larger problem for themselves if they honestly do, considering that their Aquifer is on the brink of collapse.

I proposed your stuff to Sul. Pray to god it works

And it's more that Sul wouldn't leave if, say, Catherine or Angela got elected. At least I don't think he would.

United Yugoslav States wrote:California, Texas, CSA, Alaska, Cascadia, Quebec, Vermont, New England all have independence movements. The highest is Alaska with 10% support.

That's actually my main nation's universe: fractured American states fighting over North America

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:But the EU is not trying to convince the UK to stay. It's leaving. I hope the EU makes it as difficult as possible for the UK.

I also like to imagine a scenario with the UK divided and Ulster going to Ireland.

Nuremgard

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:That's actually my main nation's universe: fractured American states fighting over North America

If I would be allowed to change the North American map, I would. However, lots of people have moved in, so...

Jaslandia

Baxten wrote:I also like to imagine a scenario with the UK divided and Ulster going to Ireland.

My ideal scenario is: Scotland independent and in the EU, Ireland unified and England and Wales f*cking off into the Brexit Tory sunset together, leaving us to run our affairs in peace.

Calofas

Nuremgard wrote:But the EU is not trying to convince the UK to stay. It's leaving. I hope the EU makes it as difficult as possible for the UK.

Right, which makes it look how to nations that might be on the brink or feel similar in the future?

I get it Nur, you genuinely disdain Westminster, but surely you can see how nations might feel insulted if the only means of coercing others to stay would be to threaten punishment.

This isn't an argument of one side being right and the other wrong, it's a case of "Vote "X" or I'll hit you" seeming thugish to most nation's people and naturally...you know...flaming that good old European Nationalism?

Nuremgard wrote:My ideal scenario is: Scotland independent and in the EU, Ireland unified and England and Wales f*cking off into the Brexit Tory sunset together, leaving us to run our affairs in peace.

That'd be cool. A disaster for Westminster, but still cool

Nuremgard

Kalaron wrote:Right, which makes it look how to nations that might be on the brink or feel similar in the future?

I get it Nur, you genuinely disdain Westminster, but surely you can see how nations might feel insulted if the only means of coercing others to stay would be to threaten punishment.

This isn't an argument of one side being right and the other wrong, it's a case of "Vote "X" or I'll hit you" seeming thugish to most nation's people and naturally...you know...flaming that good old European Nationalism?

Mhm...European nationalism. So much bad for no reason.

United Yugoslav States wrote:Well...ok you win. Ill say this. California deserves independence, they were FORCED to join the United States.

If you count the Native Americans, basically every state was 'forced' to join the United States. And besides, if California thinks they were forced into the U.S., they should look at what happened to Hawaii:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hawaii

Astrostatzkia, United Yugoslav States

Kalaron wrote:Right, which makes it look how to nations that might be on the brink or feel similar in the future?

I get it Nur, you genuinely disdain Westminster, but surely you can see how nations might feel insulted if the only means of coercing others to stay would be to threaten punishment.

This isn't an argument of one side being right and the other wrong, it's a case of "Vote "X" or I'll hit you" seeming thugish to most nation's people and naturally...you know...flaming that good old European Nationalism?

I get it. I just don't care if England or Leave voters feel insulted, threatened or punished. If other nations want to leave the EU, let them have it.

Baxten wrote:That'd be cool. A disaster for Westminster, but still cool

A disaster for Westminster can only ever be a good thing for the rest of us.

Jaslandia wrote:If you count the Native Americans, basically every state was 'forced' to join the United States. And besides, if California thinks they were forced into the U.S., they should look at what happened to Hawaii:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hawaii

The US has always been riddled with death, weakness, corruption, lives ruined, and destruction.

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United Yugoslav States wrote:The US has always been riddled with death, weakness, corruption, lives ruined, and destruction.

What nation hasn't? Doesn't make the U.S.'s actions any better, but it's par for the course historically.

United Yugoslav States

Jaslandia wrote:What nation hasn't? Doesn't make the U.S.'s actions any better, but it's par for the course historically.

The least corrupt country I think is the Nordic countries.

Jaslandia wrote:What nation hasn't? Doesn't make the U.S.'s actions any better, but it's par for the course historically.

Yea but we have a normalized habit of forgetting the literal genocide of the native's in the west

Jaslandia

One day we're gonna have an England Day and celebrate all the nice things about my country... one day

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa

Yukona wrote:One day we're gonna have an England Day and celebrate all the nice things about my country... one day

I look forward to that day. When Scotland and England can be true equals once more as sovereign states.

United Yugoslav States wrote:Well...ok you win. Ill say this. California deserves independence, they were FORCED to join the United States.

As a Californian resident I think I have a say in this.

California was born from the "Bear-Flag Rebellion" which by the time they begun rebelling the US declared war on Mexico.

Much of the independence movement had sympathies towards the US so when California was ceded to the US the rebellion movement welcomed them with open arms.

Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States

Astrostatzkia wrote:As a Californian resident I think I have a say in this.

California was born from the "Bear-Flag Rebellion" which by the time they begun rebelling the US declared war on Mexico.

Much of the independence movement had sympathies towards the US so when California was ceded to the US the rebellion movement welcomed them with open arms.

Early July 7, the frigate USS Savannah and the two sloops, USS Cyane and USS Levant of the United States Navy, captured Monterey, California, and raised the flag of the United States. Sloat had his proclamation read in and posted in English and Spanish: "...henceforth California will be a portion of the United States."

They saw that California was weak, no navy small army and basically forced the hand of the rebel/president to be annexed into the U.S. Also, let me remind you, the U.S. was very imperialistic and expansionist during this time.

Astrostatzkia, Andromitus

United Yugoslav States wrote:Also, let me remind you, the U.S. has always been very imperialistic and expansionist

LFTFY

United Yugoslav States wrote:The least corrupt country I think is the Nordic countries.

Until relatively recently, things were just as tumultuous and violent there as in the rest of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War

Andromitus wrote:Yea but we have a normalized habit of forgetting the literal genocide of the native's in the west

Yeah, I get what you mean. To say the least, America's treatment of its Native Americans was exceptionally bad in the grand scheme of things.

Jaslandia wrote:Until relatively recently, things were just as tumultuous and violent there as in the rest of the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War

Yeah, I get what you mean. To say the least, America's treatment of its Native Americans was exceptionally bad in the grand scheme of things.

Whaaaaat? Noooooo, they're.....they're just all at a farm upstate! They're happy, they're really happy

Aghrabia, The Vidnoye, United Yugoslav States

United Yugoslav States wrote:Early July 7, the frigate USS Savannah and the two sloops, USS Cyane and USS Levant of the United States Navy, captured Monterey, California, and raised the flag of the United States. Sloat had his proclamation read in and posted in English and Spanish: "...henceforth California will be a portion of the United States."

They saw that California was weak, no navy small army and basically forced the hand of the rebel/president to be annexed into the U.S. Also, let me remind you, the U.S. was very imperialistic and expansionist during this time.

Well yes the US was lol

Thing was the rebellion and its leadership where mainly made up of Americans.

Not only that but in SoCal, specifically San Deigo, the "Mormon Battalion" a US Army Battalion walked into San Deigo unapposed and where welcomed to the city with open arms.

The overall sentiment of California was to join the US

United Yugoslav States

Yay! Economy went up a lot! Yugoslavia is beginning to be great again! I guess Yugoslavia was HUNGARY to! HAHAHAH!!! No? No? ok....

Aghrabia, Astrostatzkia, The Vidnoye, Andromitus

Yay! Hungary likes me! so happy! [;.D....

Astrostatzkia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

I find it hilarious how, out of the only other three nations in my general facility, [nation=short]merlinton[/nation], [nation=short]Jotunheim_collective[/nation], and [nation=short]Calofas[/nation], both [nation=short]Calofas[/nation] and [nation=short]Jotunheim_collective[/nation] are Direct Democracies with, with Cal and I sharing similar communal aspects and JC joining Ædenism and adopting its communal ways. We're all so similar, I mean, what are the freakin' odds? Well, all except [nation=short]merlinton[/nation] ... bad egg that one :P

Merlinton, Calofas, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:I find it hilarious how, out of the only other three nations in my general facility, [nation=short]merlinton[/nation], [nation=short]Jotunheim_collective[/nation], and [nation=short]Calofas[/nation], both [nation=short]Calofas[/nation] and [nation=short]Jotunheim_collective[/nation] are Direct Democracies with, with Cal and I sharing similar communal aspects and JC joining Ædenism and adopting its communal ways. We're all so similar, I mean, what are the freakin' odds? Well, all except [nation=short]merlinton[/nation] ... bad egg that one :P

Well, everyone follows their own ideology ya know! I am a socialist Democratic Monarchy. I believe is caring for the people first and making sure everyone is cared for.

United Yugoslav States wrote:California, Texas, CSA, Alaska, Cascadia, Quebec, Vermont, New England all have independence movements. The highest is Alaska with 10% support.

I'd personally actually support independence for the western US. In Arizona, I always feel ignored in national politics. Society and politics is so biased towards the East Coast. Those of us out here in the West are frequently forgotten. You cannot have a great nation spanning from sea to shining sea when you only care about the people living on only one of the seas.

United Yugoslav States

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I'd personally actually support independence for the western US. In Arizona, I always feel ignored in national politics. Society and politics is so biased towards the East Coast. Those of us out here in the West are frequently forgotten. You cannot have a great nation spanning from sea to shining sea when you only care about the people living on only one of the seas.

I live in Wisconsin and I feel that our economy is completely ignored. Milk farms are going out, crime and riots are frequent, and our lakes are being turned into a garbage dump. so sad. I feel you.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I'd personally actually support independence for the western US. In Arizona, I always feel ignored in national politics. Society and politics is so biased towards the East Coast. Those of us out here in the West are frequently forgotten. You cannot have a great nation spanning from sea to shining sea when you only care about the people living on only one of the seas.

Well, both the U.S. capital and the U.S.'s largest city are on the East Coast, so I can see how that could occur. Do you think the Western U.S. would get more attention if the U.S. capital was located closer to the geographic center of the U.S.? Not counting Alaska and Hawaii, St. Louis, Missouri is pretty close to the center of the U.S., so perhaps St. Louis or someplace nearby would make a good capital?

United Yugoslav States wrote:Well, everyone follows their own ideology ya know! I am a socialist Democratic Monarchy. I believe is caring for the people first and making sure everyone is cared for.

Filthy primitive, sounds to me like your a monarch clinging to every last bit of power he can get, showering his citizens with gifts to keep them quiet roman-style. But soon you'll see, once your citizens learn of an alternative where they're really in control, I think caring for them will be the least of your worries

United Yugoslav States

Jaslandia wrote:Well, both the U.S. capital and the U.S.'s largest city are on the East Coast, so I can see how that could occur. Do you think the Western U.S. would get more attention if the U.S. capital was located closer to the geographic center of the U.S.? Not counting Alaska and Hawaii, St. Louis, Missouri is pretty close to the center of the U.S., so perhaps St. Louis or someplace nearby would make a good capital?

Scratch that; apparently the geographic center of the U.S. is near the Kansas-Nebraska border. So, what about Omaha? Or Lincoln?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_center_of_the_contiguous_United_States

Andromitus wrote:Filthy primitive, sounds to me like your a monarch clinging to every last bit of power he can get, showering his citizens with gifts to keep them quiet roman-style. But soon you'll see, once your citizens learn of an alternative where they're really in control, I think caring for them will be the least of your worries

The only power I have is to propose bills and have a cool name. I am basically just a figure head and I am a constitutional Monarch? What do you want me to do? Loose stability and put my people at jeopardy?

Andromitus

Unfallious wrote:Yes I'm planting my big red boot all over it

I'm witcha buddy!

United Yugoslav States wrote:I live in Wisconsin and I feel that our economy is completely ignored. Milk farms are going out, crime and riots are frequent, and our lakes are being turned into a garbage dump. so sad. I feel you.

Your economy is ignored but it also isn't. Everyone in the US knows how trashy the economy is in the Rust Belt. I sympathize with you, but I also resent the millions of other people who live in the Rust Belt, especially the plurality who gave us a President Donald J Trump. I blame the Rust Belt for such a horrendous event. Each day it becomes more and more difficult to sympathize with "dey turk er jerbz!" when in reality those manufacturing jobs honestly are becoming less important economically whereas STEM careers are the real game changers these days. Like sure I'd like to have a factory job myself, but that's not how the world is anymore, at least in the US. STEM is where things are happening now, and it's sh!tty how millions of people in the Midwest chose trying to "save" jobs their ancestors had that were lost decades ago instead of breaking out of the status quo and pursuing something else. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota were at least kind enough during the primaries to support Bernie, but the rest of the Rust Belt let this nation down by supporting Hillary as the Democratic nominee and then choosing Trump as their President. You didn't necessarily cause this horror. You're an innocent bystander. But a lot of your neighbors caused this, and they need to hear about their sins my friend.

Jaslandia wrote:Well, both the U.S. capital and the U.S.'s largest city are on the East Coast, so I can see how that could occur. Do you think the Western U.S. would get more attention if the U.S. capital was located closer to the geographic center of the U.S.? Not counting Alaska and Hawaii, St. Louis, Missouri is pretty close to the center of the U.S., so perhaps St. Louis or someplace nearby would make a good capital?

Jaslandia wrote:Scratch that; apparently the geographic center of the U.S. is near the Kansas-Nebraska border. So, what about Omaha? Or Lincoln?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_center_of_the_contiguous_United_States

I don't think moving the US capital would really do much to help the West feel included tbh. As long as people on the East Coast continue to basically be elitist and think they're the only Americans who matter, I support the West Coast leaving the US more and more everyday.

United Yugoslav States

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I'd personally actually support independence for the western US. In Arizona, I always feel ignored in national politics. Society and politics is so biased towards the East Coast. Those of us out here in the West are frequently forgotten. You cannot have a great nation spanning from sea to shining sea when you only care about the people living on only one of the seas.

I live in Oklahoma, and most of the time to me, it feels like Oklahoma does not even get a say. To me its not the United States of America, its almost the United States of Whatever California, and New York Want. I honestly feel like, only Oklahoma's closest neighbor states actually care what happens in Oklahoma.

Keep in mind the almost part. I realize if you look at the most recent election that was not the case.

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The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Your economy is ignored but it also isn't. Everyone in the US knows how trashy the economy is in the Rust Belt. I sympathize with you, but I also resent the millions of other people who live in the Rust Belt, especially the plurality who gave us a President Donald J Trump. I blame the Rust Belt for such a horrendous event. Each day it becomes more and more difficult to sympathize with "dey turk er jerbz!" when in reality those manufacturing jobs honestly are becoming less important economically whereas STEM careers are the real game changers these days. Like sure I'd like to have a factory job myself, but that's not how the world is anymore, at least in the US. STEM is where things are happening now, and it's sh!tty how millions of people in the Midwest chose trying to "save" jobs their ancestors had that were lost decades ago instead of breaking out of the status quo and pursuing something else. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota were at least kind enough during the primaries to support Bernie, but the rest of the Rust Belt let this nation down by supporting Hillary as the Democratic nominee and then choosing Trump as their President. You didn't necessarily cause this horror. You're an innocent bystander. But a lot of your neighbors caused this, and they need to hear about their sins my friend.

I don't think moving the US capital would really do much to help the West feel included tbh. As long as people on the East Coast continue to basically be elitist and think they're the only Americans who matter, I support the West Coast leaving the US more and more everyday.

Tserra wrote:I live in Oklahoma, and most of the time to me, it feels like Oklahoma does not even get a say. To me its not the United States of America, its almost the United States of Whatever California, and New York Want. I honestly feel like, only Oklahoma's closest neighbor states actually care what happens in Oklahoma.

Keep in mind the almost part. I realize if you look at the most recent election that was not the case.

I don't mean to downplay your legitimate concerns, but at least if you're ignored you can't be made fun of. I live in Florida, the official punch line of the United States. Hard to be taken seriously when everyone is laughing at you.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Tserra

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Your economy is ignored but it also isn't. Everyone in the US knows how trashy the economy is in the Rust Belt. I sympathize with you, but I also resent the millions of other people who live in the Rust Belt, especially the plurality who gave us a President Donald J Trump. I blame the Rust Belt for such a horrendous event. Each day it becomes more and more difficult to sympathize with "dey turk er jerbz!" when in reality those manufacturing jobs honestly are becoming less important economically whereas STEM careers are the real game changers these days. Like sure I'd like to have a factory job myself, but that's not how the world is anymore, at least in the US. STEM is where things are happening now, and it's sh!tty how millions of people in the Midwest chose trying to "save" jobs their ancestors had that were lost decades ago instead of breaking out of the status quo and pursuing something else. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota were at least kind enough during the primaries to support Bernie, but the rest of the Rust Belt let this nation down by supporting Hillary as the Democratic nominee and then choosing Trump as their President. You didn't necessarily cause this horror. You're an innocent bystander. But a lot of your neighbors caused this, and they need to hear about their sins my friend.

I don't think moving the US capital would really do much to help the West feel included tbh. As long as people on the East Coast continue to basically be elitist and think they're the only Americans who matter, I support the West Coast leaving the US more and more everyday.

I cant vote yet but in the end, its the peoples choice and that's that.

United Yugoslav States wrote:The only power I have is to propose bills and have a cool name. I am basically just a figure head and I am a constitutional Monarch? What do you want me to do? Loose stability and put my people at jeopardy?

We have no leader, and were a world power, seems to have worked wonders for us :P

United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:We have no leader, and were a world power, seems to have worked wonders for us :P

No Leader? How do you function?

Jaslandia wrote:I don't mean to downplay your legitimate concerns, but at least if you're ignored you can't be made fun of. I live in Florida, the official punch line of the United States. Hard to be taken seriously when everyone is laughing at you.

Sure Florida is Florida, but at least there's lots of different types of crazy whack sh!t that goes down there. Meanwhile, Arizona only really makes the news when there's some racist bullsh!t going on.

Jaslandia

United Yugoslav States wrote:No Leader? How do you function?

Digital Direct Democracy; From individual communities, to provinces, to the nation, each is "governed" by a Consensus through the Harmony Multiplicity, the best way to describe Harmony is an online voting platform. Everyone efficiently votes on any decision, with the decisions that affect more people being voted on by a larger sphere of influence. Without getting TO specific, the beauty of Harmony is that they have neutral information at their fingertips, workers of Harmony, called "Diligents" collect all information regarding a subject, and collaborate to provide a neutral compository of everything a citizen needs to know to vote to the best of their intentions.

Consensus's can compound based on necessity to the maximum point of a "General Consensus" that encompasses the nation or "Ædenist Consensus" that encompasses all Ædenists in any nation.

The few elected officials we have reside within a branch called the "Twin Colleges" made up of the "Outermost College", our Ministry of Foreign affairs, and the "Innermost College" that maintains our police force (again, without getting to specific)

Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:Digital Direct Democracy; From individual communities, to provinces, to the nation, each is "governed" by a Consensus through the Harmony Multiplicity, the best way to describe Harmony is an online voting platform. Everyone efficiently votes on any decision, with the decisions that affect more people being voted on by a larger sphere of influence. Without getting TO specific, the beauty of Harmony is that they have neutral information at their fingertips, workers of Harmony, called "Diligents" collect all information regarding a subject, and collaborate to provide a neutral compository of everything a citizen needs to know to vote to the best of their intentions.

Consensus's can compound based on necessity to the maximum point of a "General Consensus" that encompasses the nation or "Ædenist Consensus" that encompasses all Ædenists in any nation.

The few elected officials we have reside within a branch called the "Twin Colleges" made up of the "Outermost College", our Ministry of Foreign affairs, and the "Innermost College" that maintains our police force (again, without getting to specific)

hmmmm...I guess...Should I try it? It might be weird...and nationalism...hmmm. ILL TRY IT!

Penguania And Antarctica

United Yugoslav States wrote:hmmmm...I guess...Should I try it? It might be weird...and nationalism...hmmm. ILL TRY IT!

Read my factbook here to understand it in more detail: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=andromitus/detail=factbook/id=626327

And still maintain or original leader as a safety protocol if everything falls to sh!t, it took us approximetly 3 decades to get everything right and dandy. Well, to be fair we were recovering from a civil war and our idiot imperialist ancestors accidentally byproducted us to have, what could be considered exaggeratedly, an entire different culture and society every few FEET.

But still, ya never know :P

Harmony wishes you luck.

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:

And still maintain or original leader as a safety protocol if everything falls to sh!t.

Your leader, your leader not or. Idiot fingers -_-

And if it does work out, we can begin discussing our new similarity :D

Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Sure Florida is Florida, but at least there's lots of different types of crazy whack sh!t that goes down there. Meanwhile, Arizona only really makes the news when there's some racist bullsh!t going on.

Yeah, fair enough. Although I personally think some of the wacky stuff in Florida is bit exaggerated.

[B]Attention Nations of the Confederecy[/B]

With 52% of the votes, Joshua Varen of the Sulanian National Party has been elected governor. With the rise of nationalism in the seat of the governorship, it is likely that the push for Sulanian independence will grow.

Though in Sulania's provincial 50 member Senate, Senate election concluded domestically (OOC: Did dice rolls), with the below results.

Sulanian National Party - 15

People's Democratic Party - 10

Pirate Party - 9

Republican Party - 9

United Front - 2

Communist Party - 3

Authority Party - 2

The SNP led Sulanian National Coalition is made up of the Sulanian National Party, the United Front, and the Communist Party, giving it a grand total of 20 seats in the Senate. The opposing coalition is led by the People's Democratic Party, working in partnership with the Pirate Party, giving it a total of 19 seats. The Republican and Authority Party remain swing votes between them. The Senate named Frederick Breck as Chancellor of the Sulanian Senate, a member of the Sulanian National Party.

Thank you all for participating in the election, and long live Sulania!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:Your leader, your leader not or. Idiot fingers -_-

And if it does work out, we can begin discussing our new similarity :D

OK! Here goes nothi-

ohhh sht......

Sulania wrote:[B]Attention Nations of the Confederecy[/B]

With 52% of the votes, Joshua Varen of the Sulanian National Party has been elected governor. With the rise of nationalism in the seat of the governorship, it is likely that the push for Sulanian independence will grow.

Though in Sulania's provincial 50 member Senate, Senate election concluded domestically (OOC: Did dice rolls), with the below results.

Sulanian National Party - 15

People's Democratic Party - 10

Pirate Party - 9

Republican Party - 9

United Front - 2

Communist Party - 3

Authority Party - 2

The SNP led Sulanian National Coalition is made up of the Sulanian National Party, the United Front, and the Communist Party, giving it a grand total of 20 seats in the Senate. The opposing coalition is led by the People's Democratic Party, working in partnership with the Pirate Party, giving it a total of 19 seats. The Republican and Authority Party remain swing votes between them. The Senate named Frederick Breck as Chancellor of the Sulanian Senate, a member of the Sulanian National Party.

Thank you all for participating in the election, and long live Sulania!

You should go with anarchy man....like...its radical man.....so much freedom....

Penguania And Antarctica

United Yugoslav States wrote:OK! Here goes nothi-

ohhh sht......

Everything exploded! All fruits banned and bananas are now a form of hate speech as a reactionary forum troll transformed Yugoslav into a mobocracy!

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, United Yugoslav States

United Yugoslav States wrote:You should go with anarchy man....like...its radical man.....so much freedom....

WHAT DID YOU DO! (I'm honestly laughing my asse off right now!)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:Everything exploded! All fruits banned and bananas are now a form of hate speech as a reactionary forum troll transformed Yugoslav into a mobocracy!

Yugoslavia is no more...Freedom of the people is first...no law...no anything...all freedom....

Jaslandia

Andromitus wrote:WHAT DID YOU DO! (I'm honestly laughing my asse off right now!)

Im on some Anarcho-Communism man....its totally....red....yea man.....

United Yugoslav States wrote:Yugoslavia is no more...Freedom of the people is first...no law...no anything...all freedom....

YOU IDIOT! I WARNED YOU! It takes decades of slow, steady reformation, the gearing of a population towards scientific and cultural progress as to form a near-perfect harmony (hence the name Harmony Multiplicity) between industry, science, culture, psychology, and society. This was all a plan to build a place that is almost completely free, yet still upholds the social contract, and it upholds that contract for a reason! Your citizens aren't expressing themselves THEY'RE KILLING EACH OTHER!

Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States

>yugoslav is hungarian puppet

>hungary observes yugoslav

>decides, "he'll probably be fine"

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, United Yugoslav States

The Vidnoye wrote:>yugoslav is hungarian puppet

>hungary observes yugoslav

>decides, "he'll probably be fine"

Yugoslavia is not anyone puppet!!! We belong to no one! YUGOSLAVIA IS FREE! DOWN WITH OPPRESSION!!! HUNGARY IS HUNGRY FOR SLAVIC PEOPLE! WE MUST FIGHT BACK THE MONSTER!!!

Jaslandia

United Yugoslav States wrote:Yugoslavia is not anyone puppet!!! We belong to no one! YUGOSLAVIA IS FREE! DOWN WITH OPPRESSION!!! HUNGARY IS HUNGRY FOR SLAVIC PEOPLE! WE MUST FIGHT BACK THE MONSTER!!!

Are you being serious?

Are you declaring in dependency?

Or war?

Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States

Andromitus wrote:We have no leader, and were a world power, seems to have worked wonders for us :P

No. World powers know what kinda "we're" you have to use :P

Jaslandia

The Vidnoye wrote:Are you being serious?

Are you declaring in dependency?

Or war?

War if he wants freedom.

Alright, we need a moderator

The Vidnoye wrote:"he'll probably be fine"

Procrastinating, the next generation

Jaslandia, Aghrabia

Post self-deleted by Andromitus.

Baxten wrote:No. World powers know what kinda "we're" you have to use :P

Well, enough about andy and his crimes against language...

Jaslandia, Baxten

The Vidnoye wrote:Are you being serious?

Are you declaring in dependency?

Or war?

We will protest Hungary not being a socialist stat! BE THE HUNGARY YOU WERE!!! BE COMRADE HUNGARY!!! COME BACK!!!! Also...this ideological war! *Protesters throw bricks, Molotov, and stones at riot police*

Jaslandia

United Yugoslav States wrote:We will protest Hungary not being a socialist stat! BE THE HUNGARY YOU WERE!!! BE COMRADE HUNGARY!!! COME BACK!!!! Also...this ideological war! *Protesters throw bricks, Molotov, and stones at riot police*

Actually, the Hungary he was was a vassal state of yours truly

Jaslandia, Astrostatzkia, United Yugoslav States

United Yugoslav States wrote:We will protest Hungary not being a socialist stat! BE THE HUNGARY YOU WERE!!! BE COMRADE HUNGARY!!! COME BACK!!!! Also...this ideological war! *Protesters throw bricks, Molotov, and stones at riot police*

Alright, if you want independence you can have it. But I'm keeping the land I took.

But if you want a war, I can RP a war :)

United Yugoslav States

Baxten wrote:Actually, the Hungary he was was a vassal state of yours truly

Make him a vassal again! Why not? He would be useful to you!

The Vidnoye wrote:Alright, if you want independence you can have it. But I'm keeping the land I took.

But if you want a war, I can RP a war :)

Be more socialist! Also Me and the Germans might vassal you...ohhh well....you should be comrade Hungary again but...what can a simple worker like me do?

United Yugoslav States wrote:Make him a vassal again! Why not? He would be useful to you!

Be more socialist! Also Me and the Germans might vassal you...ohhh well....you should be comrade Hungary again but...what can a simple worker like me do?

Errr, that'd be harder, anarchies can't mobilize and Baxten forcefully expanding, heck Baxten expanding in any capacity, would provoke the Unfallious and the USCS; most probably leading to a full war between the two largest Mega-Alliances on our planet...

I think Hungary is safe, for now at least

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Astrostatzkia, United Yugoslav States

Houdy ho new neighbors! :)

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye

Russian Fedration wrote:Houdy ho new neighbors! :)

Hello! Welcome to the CoFN :D

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia

Andromitus wrote:Errr, that'd be harder, anarchies can't mobilize and Baxten forcefully expanding, heck Baxten expanding in any capacity, would provoke the Unfallious and the USCS; most probably leading to a full war between the two largest Mega-Alliances on our planet...

I think Hungary is safe, for now at least

Why would the communists get involved? Hungary is fascist and Germany is a monarchy!

Andromitus wrote:Hello! Welcome to the CoFN :D

Thanks , Just looking for something new , and 2 Friends of mine couldent stop tugging at my shoulder to come join, so i thought what the heck

Jaslandia

United Yugoslav States wrote:Why would the communists get involved? Hungary is fascist and Germany is a monarchy!

The USCS denounces Baxtonian expansion, they see it as a (rather valid) threat. They would see it as an expansionist attempt by not just Baxten, but the ITF as a whole and probably trigger a world war

Russian Fedration wrote:Thanks , Just looking for something new , and 2 Friends of mine couldent stop tugging at my shoulder to come join, so i thought what the heck

Cool! Glad to have you here! I'd stay and talk more but its getting late on my end, so we'll get more in touch tomorrow (EST)

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States

The Vidnoye wrote:Alright, if you want independence you can have it. But I'm keeping the land I took.

But if you want a war, I can RP a war :)

We will stop and rejoin Hungary as a vassal if Hungary makes conditions better for Yugoslav workers and other minorities and introduces more democracy.

Russian Fedration wrote:Houdy ho new neighbors! :)

Welcome to the CoFN! We hope you enjoy it here!

Russian Fedration

Andromitus wrote:The USCS denounces Baxtonian expansion, they see it as a (rather valid) threat. They would see it as an expansionist attempt by not just Baxten, but the ITF as a whole and probably trigger a world war

Cool! Glad to have you here! I'd stay and talk more but its getting late on my end, so we'll get more in touch tomorrow (EST)

Im in EST to so i feel yea hah. But yea for sure

Also , Anyone about this , Oath in the citizenship App....

Andromitus wrote:The USCS denounces Baxtonian expansion, they see it as a (rather valid) threat. They would see it as an expansionist attempt by not just Baxten, but the ITF as a whole and probably trigger a world war

Cool! Glad to have you here! I'd stay and talk more but its getting late on my end, so we'll get more in touch tomorrow (EST)

But Hungary is fairly huge as well. They have north Yugoslavia, Romania, Slovakia, and some other provinces under their control! Plus, dont you hate fascism?

Jaslandia wrote:Welcome to the CoFN! We hope you enjoy it here!

Thank you !

I Hope i will as well.

Jaslandia, Astrostatzkia

Andromitus wrote:Errr, that'd be harder, anarchies can't mobilize and Baxten forcefully expanding, heck Baxten expanding in any capacity, would provoke the Unfallious and the USCS; most probably leading to a full war between the two largest Mega-Alliances on our planet...

I think Hungary is safe, for now at least

Yay war bout now would be a good time to RP introduce myself!

United Yugoslav States wrote:We will stop and rejoin Hungary as a vassal if Hungary makes conditions better for Yugoslav workers and other minorities and introduces more democracy.

Honestly im fine either way

United Yugoslav States

The Vidnoye wrote:Honestly im fine either way

*A Hungarian Fascist seizes the Government in Zagreb*

*Yugoslavia demands to be integrated into Hungary as an equal partner in a union*

The Vidnoye

So...id like to join the RP. We RP on the Forums yes ?

Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:So...id like to join the RP. We RP on the Forums yes ?

We RP here: The Confederacy General, also it might be wise to seek an open spot on our map. Otherwise, you will not have any physical territory anywhere.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:We RP here: The Confederacy General, also it might be wise to seek an open spot on our map. Otherwise, you will not have any physical territory anywhere.

Ok thanks !

ive already put down for turkey With Bax ! :)

Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:Ok thanks !

ive already put down for turkey With Bax ! :)

If you get that spot we will be neighbors.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:If you get that spot we will be neighbors.

Neato!

i was under the Impression that RP was on the Forums and there were a few there

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Hello! Felt lonely already and nice people sent me a telegram and now I am here. woo.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:Neato!

i was under the Impression that RP was on the Forums and there were a few there

Well your not entirely wrong. I think we do specialized RP's on the forums still. Like if someone wanted to RP a zombie apocalypse or something. But the "canon" actions for RP in general happen in the roleplay region.

If I am wrong or mistaken though, someone correct me.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Well your not entirely wrong. I think we do specialized RP's on the forums still. Like if someone wanted to RP a zombie apocalypse or something. But the "canon" actions for RP in general happen in the roleplay region.

If I am wrong or mistaken though, someone correct me.

OH ok i like that set up TBH .

So like i told Bax when i joined im a BIG space person , so SPace RP would be on the Forums while the MT canon RP is in the RP region Right ?

If thats the case i totally like this

Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:So...id like to join the RP. We RP on the Forums yes ?

We RP on the forums as well. The rest of us. That do not wish to spread like butter on bread.

Russian Fedration, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:We RP on the forums as well. The rest of us. That do not wish to spread like butter on bread.

Im slightly confused . The rest do ? and Spread like butter on bread ?

Oh Yay! Greece is avaliable for #15 on Map! YES PLEASE!!!!! I WILL MAKE BYZANTIUM STRONK AGAIN!!! first though...I need to work towards democracy...

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

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