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I have to say, Percyton has the best lore fackbooks in the region.

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Same here, though I did get back some results from experiments on Sodor.

I might remember your scientists from when they visited us. They better not have been the ones that scratched my paintwork! Or were they the ones that nearly got run over by Elizabeth the Vintage Quarry Truck after they tried to poke and prod her?

See, this is why we don't like scientists conducting research on us: They always bother and annoy us! If they want to talk with us and watch us work, we're more than happy to let them. But when they start poking and prodding us, or sticking things inside us, that's when we get mad!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Percyton wrote:Welcome to the region, Burning Tree! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. Hope you like it here!

Thank you. Tell me, what type of fuel do you run on? Because I've been brewing moonshine for quite a while and I've been dying to try it out as a form of fuel.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Burning Tree wrote:Helloooooo

Hello and welcome!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Burning Tree

The First Minister of the Democracy

I'm so proud of this, worked a whole hour on it. So many more dispatches to go.

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Burning Tree

Vista Major wrote:Hello and welcome!

Thank you for the welcome.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:I have to say, Percyton has the best lore fackbooks in the region.

I wouldn't say I have best in the region, but thanks, Vid! You can thank the people at the Bureau of Historical Information for that; they wrote most of it. And depending on what you guys want to see, I have more planned, such as: more news articles, the history of Sodor before arrival of Thomas and the Engine Revolution, spotlight articles on certain engines or places, Q&As/interviews, etc. So stay tuned, and feel free to give me feedback on what you want to see next!

James The Red Engine wrote:I might remember your scientists from when they visited us. They better not have been the ones that scratched my paintwork! Or were they the ones that nearly got run over by Elizabeth the Vintage Quarry Truck after they tried to poke and prod her?

See, this is why we don't like scientists conducting research on us: They always bother and annoy us! If they want to talk with us and watch us work, we're more than happy to let them. But when they start poking and prodding us, or sticking things inside us, that's when we get mad!

Yeah, that's another reason we don't let a lot of outside scientists into Percyton: We engines and vehicles don't like it. Not only do we have too much work to do to stand around while scientists study us, but we hate the scanners and other equipment the scientists use to study us. We'd much rather they just talk to us and watch us in action; that's what people like the Reverend W. Awdry and Britt Allcroft did, though they decided to turn their observations into a children's media franchise instead of scientific research.

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, James The Red Engine

Burning Tree wrote:Thank you. Tell me, what type of fuel do you run on? Because I've been brewing moonshine for quite a while and I've been dying to try it out as a form of fuel.

Moonshine? I don't think that would be a good fuel, and I'm not sure it would sit well with our systems. Anyway, steam engines like me run on either coal or oil (though most run on coal), diesel engines run on diesel fuel, and electric engines run on batteries and electricity.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, James The Red Engine, Burning Tree

Percyton wrote:Moonshine? I don't think that would be a good fuel, and I'm not sure it would sit well with our systems. Anyway, steam engines like me run on either coal or oil (though most run on coal), diesel engines run on diesel fuel, and electric engines run on batteries and electricity.

Ah, I see. Sorry for the confusion, I should've asked you what type of engine you were first. My apologies.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:I have to say, Percyton has the best lore fackbooks in the region.

I might have to agree with that.

Percyton wrote:We'd much rather they just talk to us and watch us in action; that's what people like the Reverend W. Awdry and Britt Allcroft did, though they decided to turn their observations into a children's media franchise instead of scientific research.

That's another thing I've been meaning to ask you, actually: Out of all the possibilities Percyton has, why a children's franchise? Why not turn Sodor into a scientific haven where you could be studied? Or if you don't like being poked and prodded, perhaps you could do the train equivalent of an animal safari: Watch and tour, but don't touch. You could even do a series of documentaries on the unexplained phenomenon of sentient engines: I imagine Discovery Channel would gobble that up.

Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Percyton wrote:Moonshine? I don't think that would be a good fuel, and I'm not sure it would sit well with our systems. Anyway, steam engines like me run on either coal or oil (though most run on coal), diesel engines run on diesel fuel, and electric engines run on batteries and electricity.

i also have a question if you dont mind?

are trains on sodor racist against high speed bullet trains and new tech trains in japan?

also

what do trains eat?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:i also have a question if you dont mind?

are trains on sodor racist against high speed bullet trains and new tech trains in japan?

also

what do trains eat?

I don't know about bullet trains- I suspect not- but we know what he "eats". He tells us every Tea Time: coal and water!

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Burning Tree

James The Red Engine wrote:I might remember your scientists from when they visited us. They better not have been the ones that scratched my paintwork! Or were they the ones that nearly got run over by Elizabeth the Vintage Quarry Truck after they tried to poke and prod her?

See, this is why we don't like scientists conducting research on us: They always bother and annoy us! If they want to talk with us and watch us work, we're more than happy to let them. But when they start poking and prodding us, or sticking things inside us, that's when we get mad!

Neither, actually. No poking or prodding was used, let alone necessary for conducting our experiments. Rather, we observed the actions of your fellow engines as well as able to see the inner workings from a few engines who allowed us to do so. Also we have more evidence to our theory. As we expected due the very low human population count, even for an island, we found many human remains in specific areas, giving the idea that multiple small scale extinction events occurred before any other sentient life was created.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I don't know about bullet trains- I suspect not- but we know what he "eats". He tells us every Tea Time: coal and water!

At what temperature does he like his water, boiling or room temperature?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Burning Tree wrote:Ah, I see. Sorry for the confusion, I should've asked you what type of engine you were first. My apologies.

It's alright. No worries!

Jaslandia wrote:That's another thing I've been meaning to ask you, actually: Out of all the possibilities Percyton has, why a children's franchise? Why not turn Sodor into a scientific haven where you could be studied? Or if you don't like being poked and prodded, perhaps you could do the train equivalent of an animal safari: Watch and tour, but don't touch. You could even do a series of documentaries on the unexplained phenomenon of sentient engines: I imagine Discovery Channel would gobble that up.

We didn't really plan to become a children's staple: It just sorta happened. Edward can explain it better than I can.

Edward: You see, it all started around 1936, when the Reverend Wilbert Vere Awdry first visited Sodor. As he had been a train enthusiast since he was a child, he was fascinated by the talking engines on the island, and began recording some of the stories that he had heard from or about us. Years later, in 1943, Wilbert told a few of these Sodor stories to his son Christopher when Christopher was sick with measles. Reverend Awdry's wife Margaret, who had visited Sodor with her husband once or twice, realized these stories might make a good children's book, and the first book (The Three Railway Engines) of these stories was published in 1945. Awdry of course asked us if he could publish the book, and we said yes; we didn't expect the series to become as popular as it did, and we just thought it would be nice if our stories could help entertain children. The series was eventually dubbed the Railway Series, and it grew to a little over 40 books.

Edward: Once our books were starting to become popular, Awdry received requests for adaptions of his works, and he approved a few of them after we also gave our approval. After a few false starts (including a 1953 BBC live show that ended after one episode when a train accidentally derailed and human hand was seen on-camera picking it up; or an attempt by none other than musical theatre master Andrew Lloyd Webber in the 1970s to adapt the books that was rejected by Awdry due to fears of Americanization), Britt Allcroft approached us and Awdry about a TV adaption in 1979, with her TV show adaption first airing in the UK in 1984. Just like with the books, we didn't expect the TV series to become as big as it did, and once it become super popular, we decided to just roll with it: The franchise was making too much money for both Percyton and the studios to turn back now.

Merlinton, Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, James The Red Engine

Burning Tree wrote:Helloooooo

Heyoo, I'm Andy and welcome to the Region!

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Burning Tree

Andromitus wrote:Heyoo, I'm Andy and welcome to the Region!

Thanks Andy. How long have you been here?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:i also have a question if you dont mind?

1. are trains on sodor racist against high speed bullet trains and new tech trains in japan?

also

2. what do trains eat?

1. We haven't seen bullet trains on Sodor, but yes, we can be kinda racist against new technology in trains. First it was against diesel engines after they were first introduced, and most recently it was against a rail zeppelin named Hugo. However, we all eventually warmed up to them once we realized that they weren't all bad, and that they would help us rather than replace us.

2. We eat coal, but we don't actually 'eat' it like humans do: We burn it in our fireboxes, which gives us energy and power.

Burning Tree wrote:At what temperature does he like his water, boiling or room temperature?

Room temperature water is fine; our boilers heat up the water to boiling anyway.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Neither, actually. No poking or prodding was used, let alone necessary for conducting our experiments. Rather, we observed the actions of your fellow engines as well as able to see the inner workings from a few engines who allowed us to do so. Also we have more evidence to our theory. As we expected due the very low human population count, even for an island, we found many human remains in specific areas, giving the idea that multiple small scale extinction events occurred before any other sentient life was created.

You really think so? 16,000 people is not THAT few people for an island of our size, and even if is low, we're simply a rural island with not a lot of big cities. And I'm not sure what these extinction events have to do with why the vehicles talk, since these events must have happened long long before steam engines were even invented.

Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, James The Red Engine, Burning Tree

Burning Tree wrote:Thanks Andy. How long have you been here?

Hmm, I think about a year now? Or was it maybe two thirds of a year? I don't actually know, but it feels like more than a year, what are you looking for here? As in, are you RP oriented, more for Regional life, just wanna screww around :P

Percyton wrote:1. We haven't seen bullet trains on Sodor, but yes, we can be kinda racist against new technology in trains. First it was against diesel engines after they were first introduced, and most recently it was against a rail zeppelin named Hugo. However, we all eventually warmed up to them once we realized that they weren't all bad, and that they would help us rather than replace us.

2. We eat coal, but we don't actually 'eat' it like humans do: We burn it in our fireboxes, which gives us energy and power.

I wonder what would happen if a diesel (Sentient) engine with an electric battery adopted solar power....would they lose their sentience because their not taking in the magic fuel? Or is it not the fuel, but the actual intake of energy that causes your sentience reaction...

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Burning Tree

Percyton wrote:1. We haven't seen bullet trains on Sodor, but yes, we can be kinda racist against new technology in trains. First it was against diesel engines after they were first introduced, and most recently it was against a rail zeppelin named Hugo. However, we all eventually warmed up to them once we realized that they weren't all bad, and that they would help us rather than replace us.

2. We eat coal, but we don't actually 'eat' it like humans do: We burn it in our fireboxes, which gives us energy and power.

Room temperature water is fine; our boilers heat up the water to boiling anyway.

You really think so? 16,000 people is not THAT few people for an island of our size, and even if is low, we're simply a rural island with not a lot of big cities. And I'm not sure what these extinction events have to do with why the vehicles talk, since these events must have happened long long before steam engines were even invented.

I'm not even sure he's an actual scientist.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, James The Red Engine

Burning Tree wrote:Thanks Andy. How long have you been here?

Seemingly forever...

Jk Andy!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Burning Tree

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Neither, actually. No poking or prodding was used, let alone necessary for conducting our experiments. Rather, we observed the actions of your fellow engines as well as able to see the inner workings from a few engines who allowed us to do so. Also we have more evidence to our theory. As we expected due the very low human population count, even for an island, we found many human remains in specific areas, giving the idea that multiple small scale extinction events occurred before any other sentient life was created.

Well that's good; at least some people have some respect. And now I think I know who you're talking about: Molly and Neville said they let a few researchers examine them and ride in their cab.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:Hmm, I think about a year now? Or was it maybe two thirds of a year? I don't actually know, but it feels like more than a year, what are you looking for here? As in, are you RP oriented, more for Regional life, just wanna screww around :P

I wonder what would happen if a diesel (Sentient) engine with an electric battery adopted solar power....would they lose their sentience because their not taking in the magic fuel? Or is it not the fuel, but the actual intake of energy that causes your sentience reaction...

Kalaron wrote:I've just realized something.

Sodor Coal could -potentially- have some kind of chemical reaction, or otherwise destabilize the actual chemical structure of the metal around it in order for it to work in the way of Radiation.

If the cars can also speak and think, then it simply can't just be the coal that possesses such miraculous properties; rather, the Metal used in the construction of the automotive must have some kind of event that begins to change it into a much more energetic particle. Perhaps the coal is a one time reactant that simply activates this change while the metal's reaction takes a number of years to operate. A third working metal (Trace amounts of Iron / Accumulations of Iron?) somehow converting the old reacted metal back into a form usable by the ongoing reaction. This would explain both the rusting of locomotives and the actual sentience of said locomotive to a degree.

VL;DR:

Sodor is where Thomas the Tank engine comes from, we're talking about the sentience of trains.

Percyton wrote:Certainly possible. My Science Ministry has been testing a similar theory, though they're still in the early stages.

Gosh come on Andy we already covered this in Sodor Science #1

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

:/ I've invaded Croatia, Au Minbo and taken land from a few other nations, modernized and made Hungary a Regional Power, gave landlocked Hungary a massive coastline and we're still less interesting than Percyton.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Gosh come on Andy we already covered this in Sodor Science #1

He did reply that it was possible, but that they were unsure, now we have to ideas weighing in on the topic; mwahahahaha

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote::/ I've invaded Croatia, Au Minbo and taken land from a few other nations, modernized and made Hungary a Regional Power, gave landlocked Hungary a massive coastline and we're still less interesting than Percyton.

Are you made up of sentient trains? Exactly :)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:I wonder what would happen if a diesel (Sentient) engine with an electric battery adopted solar power....would they lose their sentience because their not taking in the magic fuel? Or is it not the fuel, but the actual intake of energy that causes your sentience reaction...

I don't think they would lose their sentience.

A: Most engines and vehicles don't need a continuous supply of magic energy to stay alive; even in extreme cases, a few times will allow the engine to stay alive until they're scrapped or seriously damaged.

B: For engines other than steam engines, it's likely that the magic comes from the metal they're made of, or from contact with coal before they were built, rather than from their fuel.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

oh my..

oh mein....

I've just had the best RP idea I've ever had.

It involves aliens, Hungarian Fascist Indiana Jones and the talking trains of Sodor...

Jaslandia, The Union Of Yuktobanian Republics, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:oh my..

oh mein....

I've just had the best RP idea I've ever had.

It involves aliens, Hungarian Fascist Indiana Jones and the talking trains of Sodor...

Oh? How do those things even go together?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote::/ I've invaded Croatia, Au Minbo and taken land from a few other nations, modernized and made Hungary a Regional Power, gave landlocked Hungary a massive coastline and we're still less interesting than Percyton.

Gotta build up that economy and beef up that military!

The Union Of Yuktobanian Republics, Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote::/ I've invaded Croatia, Au Minbo and taken land from a few other nations, modernized and made Hungary a Regional Power, gave landlocked Hungary a massive coastline and we're still less interesting than Percyton.

Don't feel bad, Vid! Just keep doing what you're doing, and I'm sure you'll be fine! You don't need others to be watching to do great things! *listens to whispers from my Driver* Oh, hold on, my Driver just told me that Percyton's official foreign policy generally disapproves of invasions and taking land. Maybe you should try something different?

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Who is the best person to talk to regarding diplomatic relations with another region? I assume it would be the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but I just want to be sure.

The Union Of Yuktobanian Republics, Penguania And Antarctica

Most pro-market nation once again! Boo-yah!

Also, I see a lot of talk about talking engines and experimenting on them. I want to remind you all that I also have a railway of sentient engines, and Percy helps out there sometimes. If you need some place to do some research, you're free to try my railway.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=781606

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Varrick The Rich Guy wrote:Most pro-market nation once again! Boo-yah!

Also, I see a lot of talk about talking engines and experimenting on them. I want to remind you all that I also have a railway of sentient engines, and Percy helps out there sometimes. If you need some place to do some research, you're free to try my railway.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=781606

Varrick! It's been a while since we've seen you around here! How are you?

Varrick The Rich Guy, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Varrick The Rich Guy wrote:Most pro-market nation once again! Boo-yah!

Also, I see a lot of talk about talking engines and experimenting on them. I want to remind you all that I also have a railway of sentient engines, and Percy helps out there sometimes. If you need some place to do some research, you're free to try my railway.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=781606

Hello Varrick! How are you?

Jaslandia, Varrick The Rich Guy, Yukona

Jaslandia wrote:Varrick! It's been a while since we've seen you around here! How are you?

Percyton wrote:Hello Varrick! How are you?

Hey Jas! Hey Percy! I'm doing good. Been busy running Varrick Rail and other business ventures.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

So I just woke up from a sleep that was so long and sleep filled. I don't even.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Burning Tree wrote:Who is the best person to talk to regarding diplomatic relations with another region? I assume it would be the Minister of Foreign Affairs, but I just want to be sure.

You've been assured you!

Burning Tree

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Important News

At age 47, President Dan Wells of Perland has died of a heart attack. He was found in his office, finishing the signing of a letter to his mother. He will be buried at Perlin Federal Cemetery, per his own wishes, on Sunday with a 21 gun salute. He was a great Admiral, President, and human being despite his pessimism and distaste for the world. Vice President Connie Trunt has been sworn is as Interim President and will take over his duties for the rest of the term. President Wells, you will be missed.

https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/867275379500879872

The United Providences Of Perland

IMPORTANT NEWS:

The United Kingdom invites every foreign nations to it's International Conference which will be held in Anthetal, the capital of Latrovia.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10209062/1/

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Tserra wrote:So I just woke up from a sleep that was so long and sleep filled. I don't even.

You lucky Baestard

Latrovia wrote:IMPORTANT NEWS:

The United Kingdom invites every foreign nations to it's International Conference which will be held in Anthetal, the capital of Latrovia.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10209062/1/

Perks of being more or less leaderless, we can go to all the conferences...mwahahahhahaha!

Jaslandia, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:IMPORTANT NEWS:

The United Kingdom invites every foreign nations to it's International Conference which will be held in Anthetal, the capital of Latrovia.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10209062/1/

As long as this time this conference doesn't take a month for the world leaders to even leave the airport, ill probably consider coming

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:As long as this time this conference doesn't take a month for the world leaders to even leave the airport, ill probably consider coming

It's up to each world leader. The meetings will happen firstly with the UK and then with the rest of the nations.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:As long as this time this conference doesn't take a month for the world leaders to even leave the airport, ill probably consider coming

This, this right here

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:I don't think they would lose their sentience.

A: Most engines and vehicles don't need a continuous supply of magic energy to stay alive; even in extreme cases, a few times will allow the engine to stay alive until they're scrapped or seriously damaged.

B: For engines other than steam engines, it's likely that the magic comes from the metal they're made of, or from contact with coal before they were built, rather than from their fuel.

I

Told

You

Andy

But

You

Didn't

Believe.

Tserra wrote:So I just woke up from a sleep that was so long and sleep filled. I don't even.

God I wish I was asleep.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:IMPORTANT NEWS:

The United Kingdom invites every foreign nations to it's International Conference which will be held in Anthetal, the capital of Latrovia.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10209062/1/

Looks good, i think my economic forum was super fun so good idea!

The United Providences Of Perland

How is everyone?

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton, United Continental States

Minnesota Dakota wrote:How is everyone?

I'm doing well. Hbu ? :)

Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Minnesota Dakota wrote:How is everyone?

I think I've got a bit of a cold and I feel kinda sh!ty.

Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Minnesota Dakota wrote:How is everyone?

Lat day of school, so that's cool.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Minnesota Dakota wrote:How is everyone?

Pretty sure I just failed my film and literature class but hbu?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Military patrolling the streets of the UK. What is this, North Korea? How is having troops on the streets going to deter another terrorist attack? If anything, it's going to encourage them. I'm sure any IS terrorist will relish the idea of blowing up some soldiers along with himself.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm doing well. Hbu ? :)

Kalaron wrote:Pretty sure I just failed my film and literature class but hbu?

I doing fine, just annoyed with my science teacher.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I think I've got a bit of a cold and I feel kinda sh!ty.

Hope your day gets better!

Baxten wrote:Lat day of school, so that's cool.

Mine isn't till June 8th.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Military patrolling the streets of the UK. What is this, North Korea? How is having troops on the streets going to deter another terrorist attack? If anything, it's going to encourage them. I'm sure any IS terrorist will relish the idea of blowing up some soldiers along with himself.

It makes the people feel safe. It might seem odd to someone on the outside but these people (some of them at least) are in shock and don't exactly know how to process what happened. You always here about these kinda attacks on the news but it's hard to ever imagine it happening to you or a loved one. Having military and police patrolling the streets gives these people a sense of security. Plus on top of that if another attack occurs, people are already deployed so response times will be much quicker which could definitely be the difference between life and death

The Southern States Of New America wrote:It makes the people feel safe. It might seem odd to someone on the outside but these people (some of them at least) are in shock and don't exactly know how to process what happened. You always here about these kinda attacks on the news but it's hard to ever imagine it happening to you or a loved one. Having military and police patrolling the streets gives these people a sense of security. Plus on top of that if another attack occurs, people are already deployed so response times will be much quicker which could definitely be the difference between life and death

Having the military on the streets doesn't make me feel "safe." It makes me feel like I live in a police state. What happens if there's another attack when the soldiers are the streets? Clearly didn't help much then did it?

If idiots feel "safer" because soldiers are patrolling the streets then that's their business. If it makes us all so safe, why not just declare martial law and have soldiers on the streets 24/7? Oh, and instill a national curfew too. Where is the line drawn?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Minnesota Dakota wrote:How is everyone?

Well, my finals are over and summer break is here, so I'm doing pretty well.

Jaslandia, Minnesota Dakota

Nuremgard wrote:Having the military on the streets doesn't make me feel "safe." It makes me feel like I live in a police state. What happens if there's another attack when the soldiers are the streets? Clearly didn't help much then did it?

If idiots feel "safer" because soldiers are patrolling the streets then that's their business. If it makes us all so safe, why not just declare martial law and have soldiers on the streets 24/7? Oh, and instill a national curfew too. Where is the line drawn?

What up man?

Theyre just trying to help, the only thing they want to do is protect. Jeez. Why do you think we need we have them?

United Continental States, The Southern States Of New America

The Vidnoye wrote:What up man?

Theyre just trying to help, the only thing they want to do is protect. Jeez. Why do you think we need we have them?

But there doing it in the actual worst way possible

The Vidnoye wrote:What up man?

Theyre just trying to help, the only thing they want to do is protect. Jeez. Why do you think we need we have them?

Well if Theresa May had not cut police numbers we wouldn't need the f*cking military on the streets.

Are you saying you'd be happy having the military out 24/7?

Nuremgard wrote:Military patrolling the streets of the UK. What is this, North Korea? How is having troops on the streets going to deter another terrorist attack? If anything, it's going to encourage them. I'm sure any IS terrorist will relish the idea of blowing up some soldiers along with himself.

Well, not from where they are looking at it.

There is a trend among terror attacks to attack "soft" targets, like Stadiums, Malls, Air-Terminals...places that typically have only a cop or two with one maybe being armed, their hope is that by deploying troops they'll shore up the "hardness" rating of said places and deter gunmen and at least a few bombers due to the chance that their plan will fizzle when the chance of shot and killed is increased radically.

It's not totally unsound as a plan.

Nuremgard wrote:Having the military on the streets doesn't make me feel "safe." It makes me feel like I live in a police state. What happens if there's another attack when the soldiers are the streets? Clearly didn't help much then did it?

If idiots feel "safer" because soldiers are patrolling the streets then that's their business. If it makes us all so safe, why not just declare martial law and have soldiers on the streets 24/7? Oh, and instill a national curfew too. Where is the line drawn?

If there is another attack, the implication is that the attack would be ended much faster -or at least stalled- due to the presence of armed military personnel. The effectiveness of this plan depends on deployment areas, however, and thus can't be effectively judged without a plan...we won't get that for obvious reasons.

Kalaron wrote:Well, not from where they are looking at it.

There is a trend among terror attacks to attack "soft" targets, like Stadiums, Malls, Air-Terminals...places that typically have only a cop or two with one maybe being armed, their hope is that by deploying troops they'll shore up the "hardness" rating of said places and deter gunmen and at least a few bombers due to the chance that their plan will fizzle when the chance of shot and killed is increased radically.

It's not totally unsound as a plan.

If there is another attack, the implication is that the attack would be ended much faster -or at least stalled- due to the presence of armed military personnel. The effectiveness of this plan depends on deployment areas, however, and thus can't be effectively judged without a plan...we won't get that for obvious reasons.

Well since terrorism will never go away, shall we always have the soldiers out on the street? Just in case?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Nuremgard wrote:Well since terrorism will never go away, shall we always have the soldiers out on the street? Just in case?

I mean, that happens to be a question I was never addressing.

This depends, truth be told, on what your view on Terrorism is, as well as what nation you're using as a reference.

Terrorism -like we've seen in these last last- can be curbed and put down to close to pre--9/11 levels with a proper campaign in the middle east, from there, a more well-funded and less restrained Intelligence agency tasked with Search and Destroy could function very well and eliminate the majority of these attacks with haste.

The downside of this plan is that, depending on Specific Efficiency, the government may need to go around specific privacy rights and would need far more funding for CT efforts.

Unfortunately, the British Government doesn't have the funds for military campaigns with HAM objectives, and much like the Romans are attempting to institute homeguard style defenses that are infinitely worse.

I'm not going to comment on which your gov should take, but the deployment of troops loyal to the people isn't necessarily going to lead to a police state at all.

Nuremgard wrote:Having the military on the streets doesn't make me feel "safe." It makes me feel like I live in a police state. What happens if there's another attack when the soldiers are the streets? Clearly didn't help much then did it?

If idiots feel "safer" because soldiers are patrolling the streets then that's their business. If it makes us all so safe, why not just declare martial law and have soldiers on the streets 24/7? Oh, and instill a national curfew too. Where is the line drawn?

It doesn't make you feel safer because you weren't just caught in an explosion after leaving a place that was supposed to be a fun, enjoyable place.

The United Providences Of Perland, United Continental States

The Southern States Of New America wrote:It doesn't make you feel safer because you weren't just caught in an explosion after leaving a place that was supposed to be a fun, enjoyable place.

I'm sure the parents who lost kids in the arena will feel very safe and secure seeing soldiers in the streets.

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sure the parents who lost kids in the arena will feel very safe and secure seeing soldiers in the streets.

Yeah. Some of them actually do. And don't insult the survivors of that attack or any terrorist attack by saying you know exactly how'd you'd feel about beefed up security after having almost been blown up. The fact of the matter is no one truly knows until they're in that situation.

The Vidnoye, The United Providences Of Perland

The Southern States Of New America wrote:Yeah. Some of them actually do. And don't insult the survivors of that attack or any terrorist attack by saying you know exactly how'd you'd feel about beefed up security after having almost been blown up. The fact of the matter is no one truly knows until they're in that situation.

I wasn't insulting anybody so don't put words in my mouth.

The United Providences Of Perland

The Southern States Of New America wrote:Yeah. Some of them actually do. And don't insult the survivors of that attack or any terrorist attack by saying you know exactly how'd you'd feel about beefed up security after having almost been blown up. The fact of the matter is no one truly knows until they're in that situation.

This is a bit of an overreaction. And just because you aren't directly in the suituation doesn't mean you can't comprehend what it would be like.

Nuremgard wrote:Well if Theresa May had not cut police numbers we wouldn't need the f*cking military on the streets.

Are you saying you'd be happy having the military out 24/7?

Look, if it were up to me, i would. The Police are out for law enforcement, youre not supposed to like them. If you commit a crime, then theyre there to go enforce the law.

The Military, theyre there to protect. Abroad and at home. They arent shooting black people or anyone, they arent trying to start trouble. Theyre being vigilant and keeping their eyes out to make sure nothing dangerous comes up and if something happens theyre there to help.

How is it that people have the dumb idea that theyre there to oppress you or something? Walk in the streets with them, id be surprised if they said anything to you other than "good morning".

This amazes me

The Union Of Yuktobanian Republics, Magnatronia

The Vidnoye wrote:Look, if it were up to me, i would. The Police are out for law enforcement, youre not supposed to like them. If you commit a crime, then theyre there to go enforce the law.

The Military, theyre there to protect. Abroad and at home. They arent shooting black people or anyone, they arent trying to start trouble. Theyre being vigilant and keeping their eyes out to make sure nothing dangerous comes up and if something happens theyre there to help.

How is it that people have the dumb idea that theyre there to oppress you or something? Walk in the streets with them, id be surprised if they said anything to you other than "good morning".

This amazes me

I'm sorry for not liking the fact that in a supposedly liberal, democratic country, the military is out on the streets.

Nuremgard wrote:If idiots feel "safer" because soldiers are patrolling the streets then that's their business. If it makes us all so safe, why not just declare martial law and have soldiers on the streets 24/7?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the word "idiot" is meant as an insult, is it not?

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sorry for not liking the fact that in a supposedly liberal, democratic country, the military is out on the streets.

No chance of a rampage, public feels safer, plus IIRC they're military police anyway. It's not marshal law, you know that, and that's an overreaction.

The Southern States Of New America wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the word "idiot" is meant as an insult, is it not?

Sure. Because they are.

Yukona wrote:No chance of a rampage, public feels safer, plus IIRC they're military police anyway. It's not marshal law, you know that, and that's an overreaction.

So what if there is an attack and more people get blew up? How did having the military out stop it?

Nuremgard wrote:Sure. Because they are.

So survivors of terrorists attacks are idiots for wanting beefed up security? I don't need to put words in your mouth. You did that yourself

The Southern States Of New America wrote:So survivors of terrorists attacks are idiots for wanting beefed up security? I don't need to put words in your mouth. You did that yourself

No, I'm not calling the survivors idiots. I'm calling those who had nothing to do with it feeling "safe" because men with guns are on the streets.

Nuremgard wrote:Sure. Because they are.

So what if there is an attack and more people get blew up? How did having the military out stop it?

Somebody goes on a rampage with a weapon, is taken down easily

Yukona wrote:Somebody goes on a rampage with a weapon, is taken down easily

So military on the streets 24/7 then since anyone could go on a rampage anytime? And what if there's another suicide bomber? How will soldiers stop them?

Nuremgard wrote:No, I'm not calling the survivors idiots. I'm calling those who had nothing to do with it feeling "safe" because men with guns are on the streets.

Ah. My apologies, I misunderstood. But Yukona is right

Nuremgard wrote:So military on the streets 24/7 then since anyone could go on a rampage anytime? And what if there's another suicide bomber? How will soldiers stop them?

How will anything stop them? May as well prevent what you can at an imminent threat level.

Yukona wrote:How will anything stop them? May as well prevent what you can at an imminent threat level.

The Southern States Of New America wrote:Ah. My apologies, I misunderstood. But Yukona is right

If you say so. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Nuremgard wrote:So military on the streets 24/7 then since anyone could go on a rampage anytime? And what if there's another suicide bomber? How will soldiers stop them?

And it's not always about absolute prevention. Sometimes it's just about being able to have people respond quickly

Nuremgard wrote:If you say so. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I do, and it will :)

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sorry for not liking the fact that in a supposedly liberal, democratic country, the military is out on the streets.

How does having the military (during peacetime) HELPING people, make the country less liberal or democratic?

The Southern States Of New America

The Vidnoye wrote:How does having the military (during peacetime) HELPING people, make the country less liberal or democratic?

Since soldiers on the streets are typically associated with autocratic regimes.

Never mind. As I said, whatever makes people feel safe.

Yukona wrote:I do, and it will :)

Bully for you.

This entire debate was pretentious and unnecessary^

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

Magnatronia wrote:This entire debate was pretentious and unnecessary^

Those are my favorite kind of debates :)

Jaslandia, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Since soldiers on the streets are typically associated with autocratic regimes.

Never mind. As I said, whatever makes people feel safe.

okay so black people are typically associated with crime. if i let black people on the street does that mean theres gonna be crime?

Its amazing to see how some people are so reactionary, whats the motto bud? "scream first, think never?"

The Vidnoye wrote:okay so black people are typically associated with crime. if i let black people on the street does that mean theres gonna be crime?

Its amazing to see how some people are so reactionary, whats the motto bud? "scream first, think never?"

And putting soldiers on the streets isn't reactionary? Why didn't May do that after the Westminster attack?

Nuremgard wrote:Bully for you.

Why yes :)

Yukona wrote:Why yes :)

How are you anyway?

Nuremgard wrote:And putting soldiers on the streets isn't reactionary? Why didn't May do that after the Westminster attack?

I'm pretty sure they knew he acted alone and that he wasn't part of a cell and they're certain in this instance that a second attack isn't out of the question and they wouldn't put the money or logistics into doing it if they weren't concerned - France done the same after the terror attacks

Yukona wrote:I'm pretty sure they knew he acted alone and that he wasn't part of a cell and they're certain in this instance that a second attack isn't out of the question and they wouldn't put the money or logistics into doing it if they weren't concerned - France done the same after the terror attacks

2 attacks within 2 months. Very strong and stable.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Since soldiers on the streets are typically associated with autocratic regimes.

Never mind. As I said, whatever makes people feel safe.

It's only associated with autocratic regimes when the soldiers are put there to oppress the population as a whole, not provide a sense of security. And hey, at the end of the day it's not your call to make. It's May's decision. It's Trump's descion. It's Macron's decision. It's Merkel's descision. If you don't like how they're running the show, run for public office. Work your way up. Change the system.

Nuremgard wrote:How are you anyway?

Fantastic now that I've spoke to you my purple thistle, o' how thy eyes twinkle like stars up the Glenn, how thy words are like the whispers of the wind on the highlands. O', fatle thistle - why art thou so captivating with beauty yet so overwhelming in speech? The loch may hold such perfection, but it does not hurt like ye.

Nuremgard

The Southern States Of New America wrote:Those are my favorite kind of debates :)

Oh your going to love it here

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, United Continental States, The Southern States Of New America

The Southern States Of New America wrote:It's only associated with autocratic regimes when the soldiers are put there to oppress the population as a whole, not provide a sense of security. And hey, at the end of the day it's not your call to make. It's May's decision. It's Trump's descion. It's Macron's decision. It's Merkel's descision. If you don't like how they're running the show, run for public office. Work your way up. Change the system.

Already trying to change the system by voting, babe.

Yukona wrote:Fantastic now that I've spoke to you my purple thistle, o' how thy eyes twinkle like stars up the Glenn, how thy words are like the whispers of the wind on the highlands. O', fatle thistle - why art thou so captivating with beauty yet so overwhelming in speech? The loch may hold such perfection, but it does not hurt like ye.

Are you blind? You're saying this to me. You've seen me, right? Actually no you haven't. Let's not change that. I'd turn you to stone.

Yukona, United Continental States

Nuremgard wrote:And putting soldiers on the streets isn't reactionary? Why didn't May do that after the Westminster attack?

If its not part of a planned and well formulated plan in case of a terrorist attack, made by people way more educated than us, whose only job is to make that plan, Ill be wrong.

Yukona

Jesus Christ guys, I'm gone for 30 minutes and boom, 30 posts.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Already trying to change the system by voting, babe.

That's a good start.

The United Providences Of Perland

The Vidnoye wrote:okay so black people are typically associated with crime. if i let black people on the street does that mean theres gonna be crime?

Its amazing to see how some people are so reactionary, whats the motto bud? "scream first, think never?"

Yo, that was wholly unnecessary.

I don't agree with Nur here, but we can keep civil my dudes.

Nuremgard wrote:And putting soldiers on the streets isn't reactionary? Why didn't May do that after the Westminster attack?

Because of this exact reaction.

After the NSA debacle, most nations are frightful of being seen as a police state (with, perhaps, good reason) due to their CT activities.

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