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Unfallious wrote:The justification for taxes is that if you don't pay them you don't get to live in the land owned by the state because the state is an organisation of people who take money from you and in return build sh!t and maintain institutions. If you don't like it feel free to run away from the state's jurisdiction, revolt, or be placed into a confined space for increasingly long lengths of time.

The justification for rape doesn't exist because it's a heinous act of physical and mental torture.

Thank you for putting it bluntly yet still eloquently.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Jesus Christ you have Stockholm Syndrome. It's strong in your case

And you're a selfish man who cares more about his money than the good of his nation and countrymen.

Nuremgard

Unfallious wrote:They both say either the same thing or post a thing agreeing with another thing the other one wrote so they're pretty much the same entity it's fine.

Very true. We're too late. *sheds tear*

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Sulania wrote:And you're a selfish man who cares more about his money than the good of his nation and countrymen.

That is the root of all conservatism. Selfishness. They just find flowery ways to justify it.

Sulania wrote:And you're a selfish man who cares more about his money than the good of his nation and countrymen.

Especially considering American money has no actual value besides what we think it does. I mean, I get ya gotta have money to exist at this point, but people who go this far are illogical.

Tserra wrote:Kal wins.

TY

I tried to go further and find the physical cost to build an M60A3 but it's a ghost tank by this point in terms of cost.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Jesus Christ you have Stockholm Syndrome. It's strong in your case

Hi can you please not say my boyfriend has Stockholm Syndrome when he's being caring about his fellow man?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Unfallious wrote:The justification for taxes is that if you don't pay them you don't get to live in the land owned by the state because the state is an organisation of people who take money from you and in return build sh!t and maintain institutions. If you don't like it feel free to run away from the state's jurisdiction, revolt, or be placed into a confined space for increasingly long lengths of time.

The justification for rape doesn't exist because it's a heinous act of physical and mental torture.

Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?

Glad this conversation hasn't taken a nosedive like every other "debate" you people have here.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Unfallious wrote:They both say either the same thing or post a thing agreeing with another thing the other one wrote so they're pretty much the same entity it's fine.

WE ARE BORG.

SUBMIT AND LOWER YOUR SHIELDS.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:TY

I tried to go further and find the physical cost to build an M60A3 but it's a ghost tank by this point in terms of cost.

Hi can you please not say my boyfriend has Stockholm Syndrome when he's being caring about his fellow man?

That's a new one.

"I like paying tax to help cancer patients."

"Bloody hell, are you mad? You love your statist captors!"

Kalaron wrote:TY

I tried to go further and find the physical cost to build an M60A3 but it's a ghost tank by this point in terms of cost.

Hi can you please not say my boyfriend has Stockholm Syndrome when he's being caring about his fellow man?

Who's the girl in your relationship

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?

Is in on your government's soil; if the answer is yes, they do own it and are nice enough to let you use the land for a house. You take for granted democracy.

Sulania wrote:And you're a selfish man who cares more about his money than the good of his nation and countrymen.

Did you just assume my gender? In all seriousness though, you don't know me and what I do. I am committed to helping other people but that doesn't mean that it is okay to force other people to do it

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Kalaron wrote:TY

I tried to go further and find the physical cost to build an M60A3 but it's a ghost tank by this point in terms of cost.

Hi can you please not say my boyfriend has Stockholm Syndrome when he's being caring about his fellow man?

I am sorry but it's true

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?

You live in Iceland. The Icelandic government has legal jurisdiction over Iceland, ergo you are subject to its laws.

Deal with it.

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Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?

Nah dude, the state owns you and your land. If it didn't why can't you make your house part of, say, France? Because the state won't allow you. You're owned by the state until the day you can resist it. Which'll never come.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Did you just assume my gender? In all seriousness though, you don't know me and what I do. I am committed to helping other people but that doesn't mean that it is okay to force other people to do it

Well jee, if we had a choice of paying taxes what's the point e.e

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Hahahahaha the state doesn't own the land that I live on, I do! And it doesn't matter if they give me something instead, I wasn't asking for anything. If you go and rob a person and take a watch that is worth 1000$ and give the person a watch that is worth 1500$ doesn't justify the robbing does it?

Well actually. In Iceland, yes the state does own the land you live on.

Where I live the land I live on is owned by the tribe, and the state. The Federal government can get rekt. As far as the tribe and state are concerned my property is mine. I pay taxes on it.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Magnatronia wrote:Glad this conversation hasn't taken a nosedive like every other "debate" you people have here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h-BhtK85aYY

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

What the f$&# is going on that there are more than 150 RMB post within an hour ??

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:What the f$&# is going on that there are more than 150 RMB post within an hour ??

dude doesn't like paying taxes. Everyone else thinks he shouldn't worry about it because he obviously isn't old enough to pay them yet.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Is in on your government's soil; if the answer is yes, they do own it and are nice enough to let you use the land for a house. You take for granted democracy.

So you are basically declaring that there are no property rights without government (i) and that the government can decide who owns what(ii)? Imagine that you travel to a remote region outside any government’s jurisdiction, where you find a hermit living off the land. The hermit hunts with a spear of his own making, which you find interesting. You decide (without the hermit’s consent) to take the spear with you when you leave. It would seem correct to say that you “stole” the spear. This shows the implausibility of (i). Next, imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your master’s consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your master’s rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your master’s moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:So you are basically declaring that there are no property rights without government (i) and that the government can decide who owns what(ii)? Imagine that you travel to a remote region outside any government’s jurisdiction, where you find a hermit living off the land. The hermit hunts with a spear of his own making, which you find interesting. You decide (without the hermit’s consent) to take the spear with you when you leave. It would seem correct to say that you “stole” the spear. This shows the implausibility of (i). Next, imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your master’s consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your master’s rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your master’s moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).

Nuremgard Tserra

lol reading the posts on the RMB here are priceless.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:So you are basically declaring that there are no property rights without government (i) and that the government can decide who owns what(ii)? Imagine that you travel to a remote region outside any government’s jurisdiction, where you find a hermit living off the land. The hermit hunts with a spear of his own making, which you find interesting. You decide (without the hermit’s consent) to take the spear with you when you leave. It would seem correct to say that you “stole” the spear. This shows the implausibility of (i). Next, imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your master’s consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your master’s rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your master’s moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).

You are literally making scenarios up at this point. The government does not come and take you spear. It charges you a little bit of your money to be used for services that you have admitted to using. Anyone who tries to say they do not use public services at all is a liar. I will say it to their faces.

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I like in one of those "developed countries" that you are talking about and let me tell you: it would be best if we all just sat down and enjoyed some Tim Horton's coffee and beavertails while listening to the Wilkinsons.

Neil Young man, c'mon

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Nuremgard Tserra

First taxes were like rape, racism and assault. Now it's slavery.

Calm down, dear.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Magnatronia wrote:Who's the girl in your relationship

This is a personal question and I will not answer it.

Nah but really, it's a little too personal to answer so I'll instead say that he's the sweetest guy ever and even brought up the promise ring to give to me. < 3

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I am sorry but it's true

I see. In that case then I don't think I have grounds to really debate with you anymore tbh.

Can everyone just end this argument since clearly this guy is deadset on his beliefs like a dead doornail?

Like Tse said:

Tserra wrote:We win though. So we win.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:So you are basically declaring that there are no property rights without government (i) and that the government can decide who owns what(ii)? Imagine that you travel to a remote region outside any government’s jurisdiction, where you find a hermit living off the land. The hermit hunts with a spear of his own making, which you find interesting. You decide (without the hermit’s consent) to take the spear with you when you leave. It would seem correct to say that you “stole” the spear. This shows the implausibility of (i). Next, imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your master’s consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your master’s rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your master’s moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).

Taxes are the way of paying for use of the nations land. You don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be able to use the land. While a nation is just a collective group of people, those people each own a sliver of each other, you don't pay dues, you don't get land.

Nuremgard

Tserra wrote:You are literally making scenarios up at this point. The government does not come and take you spear. It charges you a little bit of your money to be used for services that you have admitted to using. Anyone who tries to say they do not use public services at all is a liar. I will say it to their faces.

It doesn't matter if they use public services or not, especially not if they are forced to do so. The use of government services might imply agreement to pay for those services,if people who didn't use the services were not required to pay. But in fact, the government forces citizens to pay taxes regardless of whether they use government services or not, and how much they use them. Therefore, the fact that you use government services does not indicate anything about whether you agree to pay taxes.

Kalaron wrote:This is a personal question and I will not answer it.

Nah but really, it's a little too personal to answer so I'll instead say that he's the sweetest guy ever and even brought up the promise ring to give to me. < 3

I see. In that case then I don't think I have grounds to really debate with you anymore tbh.

Can everyone just end this argument since clearly this guy is deadset on his beliefs like a dead doornail?

Like Tse said:

We win. :D

Magnatronia wrote:Who's the girl in your relationship

There is no girl in their relationship as they are two men. But I know what you're getting at and it's a dick move. Their sex life is none of your business.

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Nuremgard wrote:First taxes were like rape, racism and assault. Now it's slavery.

Calm down, dear.

It's true though

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It doesn't matter if they use public services or not, especially not if they are forced to do so. The use of government services might imply agreement to pay for those services,if people who didn't use the services were not required to pay. But in fact, the government forces citizens to pay taxes regardless of whether they use government services or not, and how much they use them. Therefore, the fact that you use government services does not indicate anything about whether you agree to pay taxes.

We win.

The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It's true though

Only in your fevered, rightist imagination.

The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Taxes are the way of paying for use of the nations land. You don't pay taxes, you shouldn't be able to use the land. While a nation is just a collective group of people, those people each own a sliver of each other, you don't pay dues, you don't get land.

Again, the government can't decide who owns what (ii). Imagine that you are a slave in the nineteenth-century American South. Suppose you decide to escape from your master without your master’s consent. If (ii) is true, then you would be violating your master’s rights by stealing yourself. Note that you would not merely be violating a legal right; if (ii) is true, the government creates moral rights and obligations through its laws, so you would be violating your master’s moral rights. This shows the implausibility of (ii).

Nuremgard wrote:There is no girl in their relationship as they are two men. But I know what you're getting at and it's a dick move. Their sex life is none of your business.

Woah woah chill it home-skillet.

Ain't no offense was taken here, I deflected it with some of my casual tomfoolery with Tim.

Tserra wrote:We win. :D

Kalaron wrote:WE ARE BORG.

SUBMIT AND LOWER YOUR SHIELDS.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

WE WIN

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:The language, the food, the cities, republicanism, secularism, liberty etc. Plus I'm Scottish. I have a sentimental attachment to the Auld Alliance.

I can't believe you like the cheese eating surrender monkeys. As a German, I find it offensive that a Germanic individual has any sort of admiration for the Franks!

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:To be fair, the NHS is probably the best healthcare system on Earth. My father lived in the UK for years and the NHS has done extraordinary work, better than the US or Ireland. My cousin just moved from Dublin to London for the healthcare services the NHS provides.

It has its inefficiencies and problems, but we try our best to deliver universal healthcare. A lot of people take the mick and abuse the system, which infuriates me, but with an ageing population and large growth rate, we do best with what we have.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Woah woah chill it home-skillet.

Ain't no offense was taken here, I deflected it with some of my casual tomfoolery with Tim.

WE WIN

I still found it to be a stupid and invasive question.

Kalaron wrote:Woah woah chill it home-skillet.

Ain't no offense was taken here, I deflected it with some of my casual tomfoolery with Tim.

WE WIN

Whiskey-Echo Whiskey-India-November

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My end for this, sad, debate is that I kinda enjoy free education up to the end of high school, police to make sure I don't get murdered, fire fighters so I don't die or lose anything, a military to defend my nation, and cool sh!t like NASA.

Friedensreich wrote:I can't believe you like the cheese eating surrender monkeys. As a German, I find it offensive that a Germanic individual has any sort of admiration for the Franks!

How am I Germanic? lol

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:My end for this, sad, debate is that I kinda enjoy free education up to the end of high school, police to make sure I don't get murdered, fire fighters so I don't die or lose anything, a military to defend my nation, and cool sh!t like NASA.

I enjoy free education up to university level since, you know, I'm going in September. :P

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Nuremgard wrote:How am I Germanic? lol

You're Scottish, yeah?

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:My end for this, sad, debate is that I kinda enjoy free education up to the end of high school, police to make sure I don't get murdered, fire fighters so I don't die or lose anything, a military to defend my nation, and cool sh!t like NASA.

Then go with the other commies, build your own little commune and stop forcing us to pay the government our money

Friedensreich wrote:You're Scottish, yeah?

Yes lol

Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:I enjoy free education up to university level since, you know, I'm going in September. :P

Well trading in 20 g for MURICA, F*CK YEAH, is worth it to me LOL

Nuremgard wrote:I still found it to be a stupid and invasive question.

That's alright, I just don't really mind the questions since I get to choose my response :P

'Sides, if I didn't find it at least kinda fun to talk about myself, I wouldn't have been one of the founding members of DaD

Tserra wrote:Whiskey-Echo Whiskey-India-November

Prove The Military Should Be Kalaronian In Nature :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Then go with the other commies, build your own little commune and stop forcing us to pay the government our money

This is the best part.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Then go with the other commies, build your own little commune and stop forcing us to pay the government our money

Then go with the other selfish scrooges, build your own little commune and stop leeching off of the taxes the rest of us pay.

Nuremgard, Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland

I think you're all nice people.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Peoples Liberation Republic, Andromitus, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Then go with the other selfish scrooges, build your own little commune and stop leeching off of the taxes the rest of us pay.

You can still pay the government your money, unlike in the scenario that you just posted. Idiot

Nuremgard wrote:I enjoy free education up to university level since, you know, I'm going in September. :P

I may be going in October or September depending on my results come August 17th

either way it's still 9 grand

Nuremgard, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Yes lol

I dunno if it's the correct term, but are you a Lowland Scot?

Nuremgard

Lex Caledonia wrote:I think you're all nice people.

TY.

You're pretty OK youself, buster.

Are my social skills showing yet? :P

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Yes lol

Christ, learn something new everyday

Nuremgard

Tserra wrote:Then go with the other selfish scrooges, build your own little commune and stop leeching off of the taxes the rest of us pay.

Woah! That was savage for you, Rev!

Lex Caledonia wrote:I think you're all nice people.

We love you too, Lex. Alba gu bràth!

The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You can still pay the government your money, unlike in the scenario that you just posted. Idiot

Tse is no idiot my good sir.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You can still pay the government your money, unlike in the scenario that you just posted. Idiot

You can still not pay the government your money in the scenario I just posted. Friend.

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Unfallious wrote:I may be going in October or September depending on my results come August 17th

either way it's still 9 grand

What uni, I'll drop on in, you can stay at mine and we can have slumber parties

Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Idiot

That's not a thing you should say.

Personal insults are a step too far.

Jaslandia, Auxorii, The United Providences Of Perland

The libertarian and conservative stance isn't that taxes are immoral. Taxes are necessary and beneficial to the nation (when used the right way). The answer to the dilemma of taxes according to Penn Jillette is, don't use taxes for things you wouldn't use violence for.

I would use violence to stop a rape, to stop a murder, to save a life, etcetera

I wouldn't use violence to build a library, to pay for someone's college tuition, etcetera.

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:There is no girl in their relationship as they are two men. But I know what you're getting at and it's a dick move. Their sex life is none of your business.

Kalaron wrote:This is a personal question and I will not answer it.

Nah but really, it's a little too personal to answer so I'll instead say that he's the sweetest guy ever and even brought up the promise ring to give to me. < 3

I see. In that case then I don't think I have grounds to really debate with you anymore tbh.

Can everyone just end this argument since clearly this guy is deadset on his beliefs like a dead doornail?

Like Tse said:

XD

Unfallious wrote:I may be going in October or September depending on my results come August 17th

either way it's still 9 grand

England should abolish tuition fees. You are the only part of the UK that has them. I find that scandalous.

Friedensreich wrote:I dunno if it's the correct term, but are you a Lowland Scot?

That is correct. Glasgow born and bred.

Yukona wrote:Christ, learn something new everyday

I'm proud to come from my wee country, what can I say?

The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You can still pay the government your money, unlike in the scenario that you just posted. Idiot

Hey, cut it out with the insults.

Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Kalaron

Tserra wrote:You can still not pay the government your money in the scenario I just posted. Friend.

No? In a libertarian society nobody is forced to pay any income tax to the government but those that want to still can. In your little commie socialist whatever society that's not the case

Magnatronia wrote:Hey, cut it out with the insults.

TY Mag.

Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Magnatronia

Lex Caledonia wrote:I think you're all nice people.

I think your nice too, its always good to remember that we're all people under our blatant ideological differences

Magnatronia wrote:XD

Did they take you seriously, thats not smart, don't take this dood seriously

Magnatronia

Nuremgard wrote:England should abolish tuition fees. You are the only part of the UK that has them. I find that scandalous.

That is correct. Glasgow born and bred.

I'm proud to come from my wee country, what can I say?

Aha! You're Germanic. You just proved it yourself.

Modern Germanic peoples include the Afrikaners, Austrians, Danes, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisians, Germans, Icelanders, Lowland Scots, Norwegians, and Swedes.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Andromitus

Yukona wrote:What uni, I'll drop on in, you can stay at mine and we can have slumber parties

I'm not going to know that until August too but hopefully Durham

Magnatronia wrote:Hey, cut it out with the insults.

*Waves magic calming wand furiously*

Jaslandia, Republic City Police, The United Providences Of Perland, Magnatronia

Auxorii wrote:The libertarian and conservative stance isn't that taxes are immoral. Taxes are necessary and beneficial to the nation (when used the right way). The answer to the dilemma of taxes according to Penn Jillette is, don't use taxes for things you wouldn't use violence for.

I would use violence to stop a rape, to stop a murder, to save a life, etcetera

I wouldn't use violence to build a library, to pay for someone's college tuition, etcetera.

I wouldn't, so you can go and pay your voluntary taxes. I don't really give a sh!t about what an obese magician is telling us to do

Friedensreich wrote:Aha! You're Germanic. You just proved it yourself.

Modern Germanic peoples include the Afrikaners, Austrians, Danes, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisians, Germans, Icelanders, Lowland Scots, Norwegians, and Swedes.

Fair enough lol

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No? In a libertarian society nobody is forced to pay any income tax to the government but those that want to still can. In your little commie socialist whatever society that's not the case

That's a little utopic, no?

Jaslandia, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Friedensreich wrote:Aha! You're Germanic. You just proved it yourself.

Modern Germanic peoples include the Afrikaners, Austrians, Danes, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisians, Germans, Icelanders, Lowland Scots, Norwegians, and Swedes.

Wrong. Most of the women in Iceland are celtic

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No? In a libertarian society nobody is forced to pay any income tax to the government but those that want to still can. In your little commie socialist whatever society that's not the case

How is paying a tax communism wtf

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I wouldn't, so you can go and pay your voluntary taxes. I don't really give a sh!t about what an obese magician is telling us to do

If taxes become voluntary then they cease to be taxes. ;)

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Nuremgard wrote:Fair enough lol

And by the Law of Erbfeindschaft, you are compelled to have an irrational dislike for Franks!

Nuremgard

Auxorii wrote:That's a little utopic, no?

No I don't think it is. There are already countries with no income tax and the US didn't always have it

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I wouldn't, so you can go and pay your voluntary taxes. I don't really give a sh!t about what an obese magician is telling us to do

Penn actually lost a ton of weight, you should check him out lately instead of being rude and hurling i sults. Voluntary taxes? If it was voluntary nobody would pay them..

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:If taxes become voluntary then they cease to be taxes. ;)

Good

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No I don't think it is. There are already countries with no income tax and the US didn't always have it

Yes, but they have other kinds of taxes. Sales, property, etcetera

Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland

Andromitus wrote:I think your nice too, its always good to remember that we're all people under our blatant ideological differences

Did they take you seriously, thats not smart, don't take this dood seriously

See?? This guy gets it!

Kalaron wrote:TY Mag.

You're welcome, babe.

Jaslandia, Republic City Police, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No? In a libertarian society nobody is forced to pay any income tax to the government but those that want to still can. In your little commie socialist whatever society that's not the case

Yes? Because you use those services funded by taxes as you admitted earlier. Everyone does. Everyone. Anyone who says they do not is a liar plain and simple. I can do silly analogies too.

If you want a cheeseburger do you walk into the store and just take it? Isn't it theft that they expect you to pay for this service? I guess you should only have to pay if you want to then, despite having partaken even if only minimally in the cheeseburger.

Nuremgard

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No I don't think it is. There are already countries with no income tax and the US didn't always have it

We still HAD taxes before that lol

Nuremgard

Auxorii wrote:Penn actually lost a ton of weight, you should check him out lately instead of being rude and hurling i sults. Voluntary taxes? If it was voluntary nobody would pay them..

Then why the hell should we have them if nobody wants them? I though you were in favour of democracy

Friedensreich wrote:And by the Law of Erbfeindschaft, you are compelled to have an irrational dislike for Franks!

France and Scotland are old buddies. I am simply feeling the love my ancestors did for their European brothers. :)

Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:Yes, but they have other kinds of taxes. Sales, property, etcetera

Already explained this to him but he says they're all "wrong."

Tserra wrote:Yes? Because you use those services funded by taxes as you admitted earlier. Everyone does. Everyone. Anyone who says they do not is a liar plain and simple. I can do silly analogies too.

If you want a cheeseburger do you walk into the store and just take it? Isn't it theft that they expect you to pay for this service? I guess you should only have to pay if you want to then, despite having partaken even if only minimally in the cheeseburger.

Actually, not everyone does. Like, no one in countries where utilities have been privatized

Nuremgard wrote:France and Scotland are old buddies. I am simply feeling the love my ancestors did for their European brothers. :)

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Nuremgard wrote:France and Scotland are old buddies. I am simply feeling the love my ancestors did for their European brothers. :)

Sits and watches from across the ocean on my red, white, and blue high horse*

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Then why the hell should we have them if nobody wants them? I though you were in favour of democracy

I want emergency services available, I want a national military, etcetera. Therefore, we tax so we can have those things. You're giving a small percentage of your paycheck in order to keep up thoser services that are provided to everyone. Including you.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Actually, not everyone does. Like, no one in countries where utilities have been privatized

So we win.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Sits and watches from across the ocean on my red, white, and blue high horse*

Be careful not to get too high. The air is thinner and goes to your head.

The United Providences Of Perland

Tserra wrote:

If you want a cheeseburger do you walk into the store and just take it? Isn't it theft that they expect you to pay for this service? I guess you should only have to pay if you want to then, despite having partaken even if only minimally in the cheeseburger.

Oi, if that's what this guy is saying, he's more communist than he thinks he is.

Auxorii, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:I want emergency services available, I want a national military, etcetera. Therefore, we tax so we can have those things. You're giving a small percentage of your paycheck in order to keep up thoser services that are provided to everyone. Including you.

We've tried explaining this to him, he just wants no taxes, period. No matter the detriment it would cause.

Tserra

Auxorii wrote:I want emergency services available, I want a national military, etcetera. Therefore, we tax so we can have those things. You're giving a small percentage of your paycheck in order to keep up thoser services that are provided to everyone. Including you.

Well, I think we should privatize emergency services and Iceland doesn't even have a military

Auxorii wrote:I want emergency services available, I want a national military, etcetera. Therefore, we tax so we can have those things. You're giving a small percentage of your paycheck in order to keep up thoser services that are provided to everyone. Including you.

He forgets other people pay tax too. But it's all about MEEEEEE with him.

Tserra

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:We've tried explaining this to him, he just wants no taxes, period. No matter the detriment it would cause.

Because it doesn't matter how beneficial they are, taxes are still wrong. period.

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