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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
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Have a nice day sir
Excuse me
Now that's pretty goddamn omnious
Don't get me wrong, your regime totally needs overthrown, violently and quickly, without question...
I just believe it can be done with a softer touch... More precise, direct and clandestine...
Just my thoughts.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko
Watch out, Span. WPF might be sending in spies to topple your regime.
Jaslandia
Lol, not really what we do, overseas intervention is out of our scope of influence...
But if someone else wanted to say hire an arms dealer to ship explosives to his nation concealed in rubber shipments bound for shoe factories and then put those explosives in the hands of black operatives who would car bomb the families of high ranking military officials, seeding chaos and mistrust and causing panic among the ruling class...
Well... Who would I be to stop them?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko
Update on PLRK Government:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32681627#p32681627
You are now on Tangshan and New Salvatore's watch lists.
Jaslandia, The Wyoming Peoples Front
NP, we are prepared, we even execute our own spies or government officials if they do a single thing that isnt seen as trustworthy.
Our own palace we have is a huge fortress with 5000 guards in all tunnels, buildings and a small area around it. Execution for passing into the area is also normal, fence, watchtowers and walls are normal all around this area which my guards protect. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE MY LIFE YOU TERRORISTS OF CONCORD OR WPF!
Nuremgard
Also congratulation Tangshan on becoming monarchy again.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Thanks. The Emperor in Tangshan also stays in a large, heavily guarded fortress called the Forbidden City.
Jaslandia
May he live for a long time, and may his reign last forever in the minds of your people, unless of course he would be immortal, in that case may his reign last forever and may his enemies die in a painful way.
Also i know that Tangshan probably knows better ways to defend its leader then us but i would advice to increase the defences.
I know that for sure i will increase my guards by another 10.000 with how many nations and people are out there looking for a way to end my life.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Defence is one of the biggest expenditures for the Tang government. Don't worry.
Jaslandia
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT
I, Confederal States, Minnesota Dakota, and Vista Major have established a North American Alliance
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32674819#p32674819
I would like to invite South Hyder and The Royal Republic Of Kumania to join as well!
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, Confederal States
sure
Vista Major
Ya ignorin' Boise X and The Wyoming Peoples Front YOU MONSTERS
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota
I suppose I did not notice them on the map. Surely they can join!
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota
Just saying, I hope you realize that its going to cost billions and a return on investment wont come until youve already sunk in a lot of it. Personally, its always best to leave them be. You have no obligation to help those in other nations rebuild or democratize, and as weve seen by recent history, occupations tend to.... backfire, to put it nicely.
Nuremgard, Peoples Liberation Republic
Some Socialist you are :P
Nuremgard
Its called being a nationalist and an isolationist you mong :PP
So much for the supposed internationalism of socialism! :P
Talkative Friedensriech
That went the way of the dodo once Lenin and Mao came to existence!
Nuremgard
Well you're a nationalist and isolationist. You're already half way to becoming fascist. New Salvatore urges you to take that final step!
Axeldonia, Andromitus, Talkative Friedensriech, Spanelsko
Now, tell me a little about CANAAN; is it just a military alliance, or does it include Economic elements?
Thanks but no thanks I will gladly trade with other nation's in North America but my people stopped any union with a fed more than a decade ago.
Nah, fascists are the exact opposite of isolationists. Im just a.... nationalist socialist.
Nuremgard
Fascism is all about putting your country first (supposedly) so isolationism actually makes sense.
Axeldonia
It depends on which context youre taking that from.
The citizens are expected to put the needs of the nation above their own (collectivism), but the same doesnt apply to the government itself.
Nuremgard
Both.
Nice
Well the role of the government is supposed to be advancing the interests of the nation. In New Salvatore, the government is isolationist because it sees its priority to its citizens as being paramount, instead of projecting its own power in the world.
Gross.
Axeldonia
Thats what differs it from most fascists. A fascist sees the people as incapable of doing things on their own, so it falls to a well educated elite (government) to tell them what to do.
Youre dumb and dont know what you want, so i will tell you what you want, which is actually what i want, basically.
The elite dont actually have any interest in the welfare of the citizenry as long as it doesnt threaten their grip on power. Until they are forced to help the citizens, they wont.
Which is why most fascists tend to be more imperialistic, but that dabbles in government manipulation of its citizens emotions, which gets Orwellian really quick.
Nuremgard
Well Salvatorian fascists are definitely elitist. They have a one-party state and work with corporations. But they do implement some leftist policies (like universal healthcare and a welfare state) to bolster support from the working class.
The WPF and the Government of the Republic of Wyoming in no way advocate any sort of terrorist action in your nation, we were merely proposing a hypothetical situation which could occur in the absence of a more structured war scenario.
It is a very nice psychotic oligarchy you have and we would feel it a direct shame if someone were to carbomb your ruling class while they were visiting their country homes...
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Tserra, Spanelsko
From the standpoint of a dictator, that is incredibly risky.
Your biggest enemy is literacy, health, and education. You want your people to be as dumb and unhealthy as possible.
Its generally better to be hyper imperialist. You can have an easy target and tap into basic human emotions like fear and anger, while playing yourself off as a protector.
Actually, keeping the population healthy ensures they can work longer and be more productive for the state. Furthermore, the state and church have monopolies over the education system so the ideology is drilled into kids from a young age to stifle critical thinking.
Spanelsko
lol I love this guy. Can we be friends? Actually it does not matter, I hereby unilaterally declare we are friends.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, The Wyoming Peoples Front
Health is a two edged sword. Longer lifespans mean that you have more elderly, whose productivity to the state are marginal, if any at all. In some cases, they become a leech on your productivity because of their increased need for healthcare and attention.
True but the elderly are big supports of the fascist regime because it takes such good care of them.
Spanelsko
´´Propaganda intensifies´´
Nuremgard
Actually, the source of support you want is youth, because the elderly dont matter anymore. Theyre the ones that are going to be working and fighting, not the elderly.
Plus, their impressionable minds means that they are also easily malleable. If you catch them at a young age, they can be lifelong supporters of the regime, which becomes much more useful in the long run.
Long story short, elderly are expendable leeches. The youth are more important and theyre more easy to control.
Nuremgard, Spanelsko
That's why the youth get free education right up to uni level so they become heavily indoctrinated. They also do compulsory military service, are made to join the national scouts and are given incentives to marry and have kids.
Talkative Friedensriech, Spanelsko
Oh then its fine........ (prepare terrorist attack on their leadership and family just in case ok my special forces? yes sir)
Would you like to with your family or alone come to our nation on a visit? we will gladly welcome you here and treat you as a special case. (if they agree poison food and water he gets, or shot him in the head and blame insurgents)
Nuremgard
So, why bother with the elderly if the youth are indoctrinated? You already have a huge amount of support.
You have to remember that you also have people within government that you have to keep happy with financial rewards. If youre giving a lot of money to the people (which at this point having a good healthcare system is frivolous at best), youre taking away money that could be given to your policemen, the military, the church, etc..
That is something you do NOT want, because ambitious rivals could capitalize on that and sway them to their favor instead of yours.
You may call it naive but the reason why the elderly are cared for is ideological. They are seen as good citizens who have worked all their lives for the good of the state. So in return, the state serves them by looking after them in their dotage.
I know it's not very realistic. You make valid points in your post above. But it's because I wanted a kind of social contract fascism.
Spanelsko
Its gucci, I just used to be a hardcore fascist (had an unexplainable boner for Mussolini despite him hating people like me) and like to show off my cycnicism :P
If you want a sort of humane dictatorship, I used to really like the idea of enlightened despotism. It came from the Enlightenment, and allowed for freedom of speech and private property.
Nuremgard
True. I like enlightened despotism too. But I have two monarchies already. And I like the idea of having a fascist republic. I did consider having a monarchy in New Salvatore but decided against it.
now that i think about it, what is anarcho-commune? i mean i get the idea BUT how could that even work? anarchism= no government and extreme freedom commune= communist= oppression, no freedom, ban on religion etc.
Possibly its just me that is confused and the weird thing actually makes sense so correct me if i am wrong.
Nuremgard
Thank you but no. President Crawford rarely visits foriegn nations and certainly never half way around the globe.
As to the matter of family, sadly, Mrs. Crawford took her own life and the lives of their daughters a number of years ago, during the early years of madness which followed the collapse of the government and before the formation of the WPF.
Those were troubled times indeed.
However if you would like to send an ambassador, President Crawford (he prefers Bill) would gladly take him or her on a Sunday Buffalo hunt, escorted by WPF Rangers of course, where they could discuss privately matters such as coal and copper sales, and perhaps even get in some shooting sports on his private range.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton, Spanelsko
Youre mistaken.
Anarchy = lack of state (different from government)
Communism = everyone controls the means of producing goods (workshops, factories, etc)
Nuremgard
Then if its ok with your government we will send one of our guys tomorrow, unless his plane gets shot down by the peace keeping force (because shooting down civilian plane makes sense) should he take his own rifle for the hunt or will he be given one?
Also i am sorry i didnt know about that.
(meanwhile in a secret room..... so his wife took her life and killed her own children? hmmm.... and i wanted to torture them myself.....)
Nuremgard
Thats what i meant with the extreme freedom.
Communism are you sure? (i know marx ideology is used here but this part is meant as a joke) because comrades Mao, Stalin etc. would probably not agree with that.
Also if i am not mistaken i am the only ´´empire´´ that commits genocide in our RP world, am i also the only one that does that in the whole confederacy?
The WPF Rangers will gladly provide your man with a hunting rifle, sadly, there are no international airports in Wyoming, so you will have to make arrangements with one of our neighboring nation's to fly there, we will gladly send a bush pilot to pick your man up and fly him to either Jackson Hole or Sweet Water where a WPF troop transport can pick him up for the drive to F.E. Warren to meet the President.
Percyton
Also, you may want to inform your man that he ought to pack some hiking boots and plenty of socks...
Spanelsko
Ok that wont be a problem, also i had a crazy idea, why would we need to bother nations around your nation? i mean what we could do is fly to the border of Wyoming and do a crash landing while the pilot/ambassador would jump out before he would die with a parachute.
He will possibly die if he fails.....
But in case that the whole suicide plane crash would not be possible we can ask others.
Well what can i say? it this doesnt say insane i dont know what.
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general/page=display_region_rmb?postid=27619271#p27619271
Spoopy! Keep your eyes peeled for a news update in a few minutes!
Jaslandia, Percyton
It is me,Carpaya!
Percyton
Stalin hijacked the Soviet movement in the Russian SFSR, I actually have done no research on Mao so I won't comment; But the entire point of Communism is to empower the working class and ergo the majority of the population. Stalin preached for something called "Socialism in one country", essentially, everyone hates us, so why try to expand? We should maintain what we already have; and what did they have? Stalin. (I.e, keep me in power)
Anarcho-Communism is supposed to function as such; Instead of simply a federal revolution, it would also be a sociocultural one; the federal government is steadily dissolved and or transferred into a Social-Democratic Economy, a decentralized socialist economic system where the workers have complete control of the economy, and societal implementations are put in place, such as communal living. The End goal is to form a money-less Industrio-Agrarian society where however hard you work is equatable to how much you receive.
Axeldonia
Spook 2: Your sister is a werewolf
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32683034#p32683034
Percyton
I am afraid that this plan would draw unwanted attention to the visit.
Please get back with me once you have made... More conventional travel arrangements.
I learned in a recent lecture that Lenin put into his will that Stalin should not succeed him. Apparently Stalin suppressed that part of the will.
Jaslandia
I knew that part, and I sorta figured the second; What I don't understand is why Trotsky didn't use that to completely destroy Stalin...
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Hey Carpaya, how about this for a flag?
https://i.imgur.com/9PaDl7S.png
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton
Because Stalin was a more robust figure in a nation which was distrustful of intellectuals.
Trotsky wouldn't have survived a year and everyone in the party knew that.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Ironically, in order to position himself as a possible leader, Stalin commissioned propaganda photos/portraits of himself pouring over papers and texts, studying Marxist ideology etc.
Jaslandia
That's Trotsky's failure as a leader; But he himself was the expected replacement for Lenin. Hell the whole world was practically in shock when Stalin came to power and booted Trotsky out of the country.
Jaslandia, The Wyoming Peoples Front
^^^
Stalin spent quite a bit of time forming political ties within the Party, and by the time Lenin ate it, he had a stronger foundation than Trotsky accounted for
Nuremgard
My friend told me he ended up dead in Paris with a sickle in his skull.
I wonder who was responsible for that rather symbolic death.
I thought he was assassinated in Mexico? With an Ice Pick...
The Wyoming Peoples Front
Apparently the reason why Stalin got picked was because Lenin had compromised with the capitalists. Stalin reversed the NEP (New Economic Policy) when he came to power.
I'm pretty sure he was assassinated in France.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+did+Trotsky+die&oq=Where+did+Trotsky+die&aqs=chrome..69i57.2874j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Nuremgard
And uh... One more thing before I switch over to my phone: A flag propsal for Cesorion
https://i.imgur.com/9zHNChq.png
Jaslandia, Percyton, Cesorion
I remember watching a documentary about Stalin. What a bastard. The Russian Hitler.
Jaslandia
I honestly despise him, he quite literally destroyed the entire idea of the Revolution; Then again, Trotsky would have gone Nuclear, he was a fanatic.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
How dare you
papa stalin is best boi
Nuremgard, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko
And you call yourself an Anarchist? Stalin destroyed any hope of Socialism going global.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
He reversed the liberalism of the initial revolution.
https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/138/246/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg
Axeldonia, Percyton
He was assassinated in Mexico: Stalin had a Spanish socialist who was Stalinist in ideology to kill Trotsky with an ice pick: reports state that Trotsky only got pissed and tried to fight the assassin despite the grievous head wound until his bodyguards intervened.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Stalin is my favourite anime character how dare you
Aww, thanks!
Validation only fuels my flag addiction
Jaslandia, Percyton
Wait says here WW2 wasn't a hentai
oops
Woah. That's pretty badass lol
Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms
Trotsky: The socialist Rasputin
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms
pretty sure it was: the fan-preferred couple (Germany and the Soviet Union) fell apart, some major netorare (Italy breaking off from the Axis), a good bit of rape, an orgy near the end (Germany being divided by the French, British, Americans, and Soviets) and the last of the Axis getting into a threeway (Japan realizing the U.S. is "endowed" with nukes and the Soviets taking the back route in a surprise assault)
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
I loved that Berlin Bukkake episode
Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms, Spanelsko
That sounds pretty interesting. Maybe you could do that with the Percytonian ambassador sometime?
"What's next, an island full of sentient trains in the irish sea?"
I see what you're doing, Axel! I appreciate the recognition!
Edward: Although, I find it odd that Percyton is the symbol of weirdness in the region. I mean, we have a nation of horse people, a nation of assorted furry creatures, a nation so evil that it's like Kim Jong-un and Dick Dastardly founded a state, and an independent U.S. state of Wyoming, and somehow a quaint island that just happens to have talking vehicles is considered the most unusual thing that could exist? At least our population is still majority human, and they're pretty well taken care of. Can't say the same for every nation here.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, The Wyoming Peoples Front
it was pretty lit
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
I was considering including the horses, but I feel sentient trains are a little more "absurd" by human standards.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
You're not entirely wrong there, Edward. I assume it's because of those nations you alluded too, you've been here the longest, and you've talked a lot about the fact that you're a sentient vehicle.
That too. I think in general people are more comfortable and familiar with anthropomorphising of animals than machines, since the former is more common in media and kinda makes more sense.
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Watching a series of vids about the events leading up to WW1. Sigh. What a deeply tragic time in human history. Hard to overstate the importance of WW1.
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Is it perhaps a series called Extra history?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
https://youtu.be/S-wSL4WqUws
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
I always tear up when I hear that version of In Flanders Fields at the end.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
https://youtu.be/WukYrrTH3ms?t=9m44s
Nuremgard, Percyton
Vysta/Wysta major are you here? we need you to allow us to send a plane with an important person to Wyoming. But we need to use your air port since they dont have any.
WW2 is famous anime here mainly between the generals Axel, Stalin best.
'Makes more sense'? What do you mean?
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
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