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Traahed the climate treaty as i hoped for a big jobs boost like last time. Got a 1% employment increase and a big decrease in poors income and state industry for my trouble.

I hate this game

Ludania, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Fuhrmania wrote:Guys i am taking a long time off i have to go to Germany on an emergency basis as my Mother has passed away.

I am so sorry Fuhr. Might I ask hold old she was?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

I'm sorry for your loss, Fuhr. That's awful.

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On another note, is anyone here willing to make a map for me?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton

Percyton wrote:

Toby: Peng, is this the type of tram you were having problems with before?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/2010-06-23-magdeburg-by-RalfR-01.jpg

Yes, it's an NGT8D tram.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ANGT8D-MD.jpg?wprov=sfla1

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

I finally have The Largest Trout Fishing Sector in The Confederacy of Free Nations, which actually makes sense because fishing is a bit random, at least to my knowledge.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

45 minutes and I achieve a vacation my dooooooooooooodes.

God damn I can't wait >:D

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Yes, it's an NGT8D tram.

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ANGT8D-MD.jpg?wprov=sfla1

Toby: I see. I think I'll have a word with the manager of that tramway. From the looks of it, it's one of those electric trams (and no, not all trams are electric!). I've never trusted those electric tram types; I've always preferred steam trams like myself.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:I've never trusted those electric tram types; I've always preferred steam trams like myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Toby: I see. I think I'll have a word with the manager of that tramway. From the looks of it, it's one of those electric trams (and no, not all trams are electric!). I've never trusted those electric tram types; I've always preferred steam trams like myself.

That's tram-ist.

https://youtu.be/4_nlcuKpXbc

Penguania And Antarctica, Vetriutan

Jaslandia wrote:That's tram-ist.

https://youtu.be/4_nlcuKpXbc

Vetriutan wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyu2jAD6sdo

Toby: Maybe so. I'm just proud of being a rare breed like steam tram, and I'm tired of people equating trams and electric. Us steam trams exist too!

https://youtu.be/xRnZjn8KnLI?t=1m55s

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Toby: I see. I think I'll have a word with the manager of that tramway. From the looks of it, it's one of those electric trams (and no, not all trams are electric!). I've never trusted those electric tram types; I've always preferred steam trams like myself.

There are older trams still in operation too. I like them. They have a unique charm.

http://www.railfocus.eu/public-transport/magdeburg/photos/Strassenbahn-Magdeburg-Tram-1276-2008-07-07-Universitaetspl.jpg

And of course they offer rides on the museum trams on special occasions:

https://www.volksstimme.de/galleryimage/MA/20160831/GALLERY/829009997/PH/0/13/PH-829009997.jpg&MaxW=620&NCS_modified=3111424402002016&filename.jpg

Jaslandia, Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:First your brother, and now your mother? Jeez. I'm sorry for such misfortune. I send prayers and wish you the best!

I know, right? Reminds me a lot of all the stuff that happened in ESU, and we all remember how that turned out.

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:There are older trams still in operation too. I like them. They have a unique charm.

http://www.railfocus.eu/public-transport/magdeburg/photos/Strassenbahn-Magdeburg-Tram-1276-2008-07-07-Universitaetspl.jpg

And of course they offer rides on the museum trams on special occasions:

https://www.volksstimme.de/galleryimage/MA/20160831/GALLERY/829009997/PH/0/13/PH-829009997.jpg&MaxW=620&NCS_modified=3111424402002016&filename.jpg

Toby: That's good to hear. They're still the electric type (which I guess isn't surprising; outside of Sodor, there are only a handful of steam trams left), but at least your hometown takes pride in its railway history. And I suppose these new engines are carrying on the legacy of the tramways, even if they are electric.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Toby: That's good to hear. They're still the electric type (which I guess isn't surprising; outside of Sodor, there are only a handful of steam trams left), but at least your hometown takes pride in its railway history. And I suppose these new engines are carrying on the legacy of the tramways, even if they are electric.

Trams exist in Magdeburg since 1877, so 140 years. :)

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Percyton

Percyton wrote:Toby: Maybe so. I'm just proud of being a rare breed like steam tram, and I'm tired of people equating trams and electric. Us steam trams exist too!

https://youtu.be/xRnZjn8KnLI?t=1m55s

I'm starting to think that Sodor is an authoritarian rogue state that is ruled with an iron fist by Sir Topham Hatt, a man who misinforms his citizens about the outside world and forces them to work under harsh conditions.

Sodor = DPRK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTTO74Gtdkw

"Our new government is founded exactly upon the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that electric is not equal to steam; that subordination to the superior transporter is his natural and normal condition."

-Sir Topham Hatt

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Vetriutan wrote:"Our new government is founded exactly upon the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that electric is not equal to steam; that subordination to the superior transporter is his natural and normal condition."

-Sir Topham Hatt

Ew

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:45 minutes and I achieve a vacation my dooooooooooooodes.

God damn I can't wait >:D

Little f*ck: I still have classes tomorrow

Anywho, looks like Mugabe resigned as President: god knows who will take over.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Vetriutan

Vista Major wrote:Ew

It is disgusting, but it is what Hatt genuinely believes.

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Anywho, looks like Mugabe resigned as President: god knows who will take over.

I think it'll most likely be his former vice-president.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Trams exist in Magdeburg since 1877, so 140 years. :)

Toby: A long and proud history of trams. Good for Magdeburg! Sodor has two tramways of its own: an urban tram system (like the one Madgeburg has) in Vicarstown, and a heritage/rural tramway around Great Waterton.

Vetriutan wrote:I'm starting to think that Sodor is an authoritarian rogue state that is ruled with an iron fist by Sir Topham Hatt, a man who misinforms his citizens about the outside world and forces them to work under harsh conditions.

Sodor = DPRK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTTO74Gtdkw

Edward: So people keep telling us. That aspect of Sodor is very much exaggerated. For one thing, Sodor is democracy, with Percy as our constitutional monarch, and Sir Topham Hatt as our Prime Minister. Sir Topham Hatt (or 'the Fat Controller' as we sometimes call him) also runs the railway, but in terms of political power, his authority is limited.

Edward: And while Sodor is somewhat isolationist, we are not at the level of North Korea. Citizens still have full access to the outside world, and all the information within it. Besides the fact that we have sentient vehicles, Sodor is a very ordinary place. And no, we are not 'forced to work under harsh conditions'. We're quite literally built to do work, and most engines enjoy being useful and getting their work done. And our conditions aren't particularly harsh, since we work under the same conditions as any other railway locomotive, and we're always treated fairly. And we are given a small salary, if you must know, but that's mainly a holdover from the Engine Revolution: we engines don't really need money for the most part.

Henry: And people always misunderstand the time I was bricked up in the tunnel! I was refusing to come out of the tunnel because I was vain, and I thought the rain would spoil my paintwork. So, Sir Topham Hatt and the Supreme Council bricked me up in the tunnel as punishment for my vanity. It wasn't like they did it for no reason; it was to teach me a lesson! And considering I'm a less vain engine who doesn't mind rain now, I'd say it worked!

Thomas: And besides, it's not like Henry is the darkest story to come out of Sodor. What about Smudger, who was turned into a generator after he was naughty and frequently derailed, and then was abandoned when his railway closed (though Smudger has since been rescued and he is set to work on the Ooyre Valley Railway)? Or Godred, who was essentially cannibalized for his parts after he had a devastating crash?

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Smudger

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Godred

Vetriutan wrote:"Our new government is founded exactly upon the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that electric is not equal to steam; that subordination to the superior transporter is his natural and normal condition."

-Sir Topham Hatt

Sir Topham Hatt: I think you misunderstand my affinity for steam engines. For one thing, I have plenty of diesel engines on my line, and there's even a whole branch line of electric engines (the Peel Godred Branch Line). Technically speaking, diesel and electric engines are superior in almost every way to steam (pulling power, maximum speed, maintenance, efficiency, ease of use, etc.); you'd have to be a fool to deny that. But steam engines are a tradition on Sodor, and one we'd like to hold on to for both sentimental and tourist reasons. Plus, my engines (whether they're steam, diesel, and electric) are my family, and you don't get rid of family simply because they're inefficient or not as modern.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Vetriutan wrote:I think it'll most likely be his former vice-president.

Possibly: he does have the backing of the military as a war vet and as a former security minister can pressure the populace into supporting him if the whole civil champion of the people act falls through

Jaslandia, Vetriutan

Kalaron wrote:45 minutes and I achieve a vacation my dooooooooooooodes.

God damn I can't wait >:D

Meanwhile, I got frisked at the airport

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Edward: So people keep telling us. That aspect of Sodor is very much exaggerated. For one thing, Sodor is democracy, with Percy as our constitutional monarch, and Sir Topham Hatt as our Prime Minister. Sir Topham Hatt (or 'the Fat Controller' as we sometimes call him) also runs the railway, but in terms of political power, his authority is limited.

That is not canon in the show at all, so why should I believe you regarding that?

Percyton wrote:Edward: And while Sodor is somewhat isolationist, we are not at the level of North Korea. Citizens still have full access to the outside world, and all the information within it.

That could very well be true, but it does not change the fact that you and your fellow trains and trams are being misinformed about the outside world, especially regarding British Rail.

"Engines on the Other Railway aren’t safe now. Their controllers are cruel. They don’t like engines anymore. They put them on cold damp sidings, and then,’ Percy nearly sobbed, ‘they . . . they c-c-cut them up.’ ”

Percyton wrote:Besides the fact that we have sentient vehicles, Sodor is a very ordinary place. And no, we are not 'forced to work under harsh conditions'. We're quite literally built to do work, and most engines engine being useful and getting their work done. And our conditions aren't particularly harsh, since we work under the same conditions as any other railway locomotive, and we're always treated fairly. And we are given a small salary, if you must know, but that's mainly a holdover from the Engine Revolution: we engines don't really need money for the most part.

Henry: And people always misunderstand the time I was bricked up in the tunnel! I was refusing to come out of the tunnel because I was vain, and I thought the rain would spoil my paintwork. So, Sir Topham Hatt and the Supreme Council bricked me up in the tunnel as punishment for my vanity. It wasn't like they did it for no reason; it was to teach me a lesson! And considering I'm a less vain engine who doesn't mind rain now, I'd say it worked!

Yes, you are made for work, but that doesn't change the fact that Henry almost died when he was bricked up for refusing to work. If that isn't harsh, then I don't know what is. You are designed for work, but you being forced to do it no matter what, which is an unacceptable way to treat sentient beings with human-level intelligence. Would it be acceptable if a human worker was punished that harshly for not wanting to work because of certain conditions? No it wouldn't, and anyone who would do that would immediately face consequences for their inhumane treatment of their workers.

Percyton wrote:Thomas: And besides, it's not like Henry is the darkest story to come out of Sodor. What about Smudger, who was turned into a generator after he was naughty and frequently derailed, and then was abandoned when his railway closed (though Smudger has since been rescued and he is set to work on the Ooyre Valley Railway)? Or Godred, who was essentially cannibalized for his parts after he had a devastating crash?

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Smudger

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Godred

Exactly! What sentient trains and trams face in Sodor is horrifying. It would be okay if we were talking about normal, non-sentient trains, but the trains in Sodor are clearly different and deserve certain rights for being sentient and intelligent beings.

Percyton wrote:Sir Topham Hatt: I think you misunderstand my affinity for steam engines. For one thing, I have plenty of diesel engines on my line, and there's even a whole branch line of electric engines (the Peel Godred Branch Line). Technically speaking, diesel and electric engines are superior in almost every way to steam (pulling power, maximum speed, maintenance, efficiency, ease of use, etc.); you'd have to be a fool to deny that. But steam engines are a tradition on Sodor, and one we'd like to hold on to for both sentimental and tourist reasons. Plus, my engines (whether they're steam, diesel, and electric) are my family, and you don't get rid of family simply because they're inefficient or not as modern.

If you cared about your family, then why would you let certain members of that family, such as Toby, to treat electric and diesel trams as inferior beings?

Sulania wrote:Meanwhile, I got frisked at the airport

I already offered to throw them off a helicopter though

Jaslandia, Vista Major

I decided to follow Jaslandia's example, and rename my governing party to Conservative, for clarity

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:I already offered to throw them off a helicopter though

*Chilean national anthem plays*

Yukona

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:*Chilean national anthem plays*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o

>TMW you mess up and accidentally upload an incorrect and unedited picture to IIwiki but it gives you an idea for your nations culture

TY germany

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233369021632872448/382559286812737537/1412382543217-1.jpg

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

https://imgur.com/3P9KJdb

Vetriutan wrote:That is not canon in the show at all, so why should I believe you regarding that?

Edward: You're right, it's not canon to the show; it's the real world. The TV series and the Railway Series do their best, but neither is fully accurate to what Percyton and Sodor is really like. If you just want to discuss the TV show, just say so and we can do that.

Vetriutan wrote:

That could very well be true, but it does not change the fact that you and your fellow trains and trams are being misinformed about the outside world, especially regarding British Rail.

"Engines on the Other Railway aren’t safe now. Their controllers are cruel. They don’t like engines anymore. They put them on cold damp sidings, and then,’ Percy nearly sobbed, ‘they . . . they c-c-cut them up.’ ”

Edward: Yes, Percy was slightly inaccurate in describing the situation of steam engines on the Other Railway in the 50s and 60s, but a: his mistake was due to being misinformed, not deliberate misinformation or propaganda. Just like humans, sometimes we don't have all the information on hand at the moment, and without resources like the Internet (which didn't exist back then), we have to go by what we have. And b: the Reverend Awdry did correctly point out in the foreword to Stepney the 'Bluebell' Engine that some Mainland controllers were supportive of the preservation of steam locomotives, but the gist of Percy's sentiment was right: British Railways was massively cutting up and scraping steam engines and replacing them with diesels. And it's also true that Sodor was one of the few safe havens for steam engines, at least until the rise and maturity of heritage railways like the Bluebell Railway and Talyllyn Railway. I hardly see any evidence of Sir Topham Hatt purposely misleading us.

Vetriutan wrote:

Yes, you are made for work, but that doesn't change the fact that Henry almost died when he was bricked up for refusing to work. If that isn't harsh, then I don't know what is. You are designed for work, but you being forced to do it no matter what, which is an unacceptable way to treat sentient beings with human-level intelligence. Would it be acceptable if a human worker was punished that harshly for not wanting to work because of certain conditions? No it wouldn't, and anyone who would do that would immediately face consequences for their inhumane treatment of their workers.

Edward: Yes, we're sentient, but we're still just machines. If we weren't working in some capacity, we'd either be a museum piece, or we wouldn't exist. And besides, human psychology is not the same as sentient vehicle psychology: what you see as being forced to work, we see as being Really Useful and fulfilling our purpose in life. Most of us aren't bothered by it, so you don't need to be outraged by it on our behalf.

Edward: As for the nature of Henry's punishment, there are different ways to punish an engine, just like there are different ways to publish a child (even I can admit that us engines can be very child-like sometimes). Personally, I think it was fair, and so does Henry: he didn't want to move out of the tunnel, so Hatt granted his wish and let him stay there. We let Henry out about a month later when we needed his help to pull the express, and Henry learned his lesson from the tunnel incident. Henry's punishment worked, and you can't argue against that.

Vetriutan wrote:Exactly! What sentient trains and trams face in Sodor is horrifying. It would be okay if we were talking about normal, non-sentient trains, but the trains in Sodor are clearly different and deserve certain rights for being sentient and intelligent beings.

Edward: And we do have certain rights, at least today. Back then we had many fewer rights, hence why our kind were scrapped in massive numbers during dieselisation in Britain. But now, we engines cannot be scrapped without being euthanized first, and we have many alternatives to scrap (such as transfer to another railway, joining a heritage railway, or becoming a museum piece). And while I still think what happened to Smudger and Godred was fair (Smudger was a naughty engine who needed to be taught a lesson if he wouldn't learn; and Godred was never going to be repaired by his railway anyway: his damage was too extensive, and the railway didn't have enough money), I doubt either of those punishments would be doled out today.

Edward: I should also point out that neither of those punishments were doled out by Sir Topham Hatt, whom you seem to hate so much. Smudger was punished by the manager of the Mid-Sodor Railway (which has since closed), while Godred was punished by the manager of the Culdee Fell Railway (which is still operating). I would say take your anger out on them, but they're either dead or retired by now.

Vetriutan wrote:

If you cared about your family, then why would you let certain members of that family, such as Toby, to treat electric and diesel trams as inferior beings?

Sir Topham Hatt: I think you're being much too hard on dear Toby! Toby already explained why he's biased against electric trams, but he doesn't treat anyone harshly or rudely because of their type. Toby is a very kind engine who always helps out others, and he has always treated his fellow engines (including diesel and electric trams when he sees them) with respect. Toby can be a little skeptical of electric trams when he meets them, but he is not the raging racist you make him out to be! Not by a long shot! And if he ever did do such a thing, I would reprimand him and tell him to do better, just as I would with any engine.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion wrote:I decided to follow Jaslandia's example, and rename my governing party to Conservative, for clarity

Good choice. Keep it simple.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Cesorion

[spoiler=Today is November 21 and today are:]

Today is November 21 and today are:

- Armed Forces Day (Bangladesh)

- Armed Forces Day (Greece)

- Dayton Peace Agreement Day (Bosnia and Herzegovina)

- Dignity and Freedom Day (Ukraine)

- False Confession Day

- General Framework Agreement Day (Republika Srpska)

- National Gingerbread Cookie Day (United States)

- National Red Mitten Day (United States)

- National Stuffing Day (United States)

- World Hello Day

- World Television Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 164 BC – Judas Maccabeus, son of Mattathias of the Hasmonean family, restores the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is commemorated each year by the festival of Hanukkah.

- 235 – Pope Anterus succeeds Pontian as the nineteenth pope. During the persecutions of emperor Maximinus Thrax he is martyred.

- 1009 – Lý Công Uẩn is enthroned as emperor of Đại Cồ Việt, founding the Lý dynasty.

- 1386 – Timur of Samarkand captures and sacks the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, taking King Bagrat V of Georgia captive.

- 1620 – Plymouth Colony settlers sign the Mayflower Compact (November 11, O.S.)

- 1676 – The Danish astronomer Ole Rømer presents the first quantitative measurements of the speed of light.

- 1783 – In Paris, Jean-François Pilâtre de Rozier and François Laurent d'Arlandes, make the first untethered hot air balloon flight.

- 1789 – North Carolina ratifies the United States Constitution and is admitted as the 12th U.S. state.

- 1832 – Wabash College is founded in Crawfordsville, Indiana.

- 1861 – American Civil War: Confederate President Jefferson Davis appoints Judah Benjamin Secretary of War.

- 1877 – Thomas Edison announces his invention of the phonograph, a machine that can record and play sound.

- 1894 – Port Arthur, China falls to the Japanese, a decisive victory of the First Sino-Japanese War; Japanese troops are accused of massacring the remaining inhabitants.

- 1902 – The Philadelphia Football Athletics defeated the Kanaweola Athletic Club of Elmira, New York, 39–0, in the first ever professional American football night game.

- 1905 – Albert Einstein's paper that leads to the mass–energy equivalence formula, E = mc², is published in the journal Annalen der Physik.

- 1910 – Sailors on board Brazil's warships including the Minas Geraes, São Paulo, and Bahia, violently rebel in what is now known as the Revolta da Chibata (Revolt of the Lash).

- 1916 – Mines from SM U-73 sink the HMHS Britannic, the largest ship lost in the First World War.

- 1918 – The Flag of Estonia, previously used by pro-independence activists, is formally adopted as the national flag of the Republic of Estonia.

- 1918 – A pogrom takes place in Lwów (now Lviv); over three days, at least 50 Jews and 270 Ukrainian Christians are killed by Poles.

- 1920 – Irish War of Independence: In Dublin, 31 people are killed in what became known as "Bloody Sunday".

- 1922 – Rebecca Latimer Felton of Georgia takes the oath of office, becoming the first female United States Senator.

- 1927 – Columbine Mine massacre: Striking coal miners are allegedly attacked with machine guns by a detachment of state police dressed in civilian clothes.

- 1942 – The completion of the Alaska Highway (also known as the Alcan Highway) is celebrated (however, the highway is not usable by standard road vehicles until 1943).

- 1945 – The United Auto Workers strike 92 General Motors plants in 50 cities to back up worker demands for a 30-percent raise.

- 1950 – Two Canadian National Railway trains collide in northeastern British Columbia in the Canoe River train crash; the death toll is 21, with 17 of them Canadian troops bound for Korea.

- 1953 – The Natural History Museum, London announces that the "Piltdown Man" skull, initially believed to be one of the most important fossilized hominid skulls ever found, is a hoax.

- 1959 – American disc jockey Alan Freed, who had popularized the term "rock and roll" and music of that style, is fired from WABC-AM radio over allegations he had participated in the payola scandal.

- 1961 – The "La Ronde" opens in Honolulu, first revolving restaurant in the United States.

- 1962 – The Chinese People's Liberation Army declares a unilateral ceasefire in the Sino-Indian War.

- 1964 – The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge opens to traffic. At the time it is the world's longest bridge span.

- 1964 – Second Vatican Council: The third session of the Roman Catholic Church's ecumenical council closes.

- 1967 – Vietnam War: American General William Westmoreland tells news reporters: "I am absolutely certain that whereas in 1965 the enemy was winning, today he is certainly losing."

- 1969 – U.S. President Richard Nixon and Japanese Premier Eisaku Satō agree on the return of Okinawa to Japanese control in 1972. The U.S. retains rights to bases on the island, but these are to be nuclear-free.

- 1969 – The first permanent ARPANET link is established between UCLA and SRI.

- 1970 – Vietnam War: Operation Ivory Coast: A joint United States Air Force and Army team raids the Sơn Tây prisoner-of-war camp in an attempt to free American prisoners of war thought to be held there.

- 1971 – Indian troops, partly aided by Mukti Bahini (Bengali guerrillas), defeat the Pakistan army in the Battle of Garibpur.

- 1972 – Voters in South Korea overwhelmingly approve a new constitution, giving legitimacy to Park Chung-hee and the Fourth Republic.

- 1974 – The Birmingham pub bombings kill 21 people. The Birmingham Six are sentenced to life in prison for the crime but subsequently acquitted.

- 1977 – Minister of Internal Affairs Allan Highet announces that the national anthems of New Zealand shall be the traditional anthem "God Save the Queen" and "God Defend New Zealand".

- 1979 – The United States Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, is attacked by a mob and set on fire, killing four.

- 1980 – A deadly fire breaks out at the MGM Grand Hotel in Paradise, Nevada (now Bally's Las Vegas). Eighty-seven people are killed and more than 650 are injured in the worst disaster in Nevada history.

- 1985 – United States Navy intelligence analyst Jonathan Pollard is arrested for spying after being caught giving Israel classified information on Arab nations. He is subsequently sentenced to life in prison.

- 1986 – National Security Council member Oliver North and his secretary start to shred documents allegedly implicating them in the Iran–Contra affair.

- 1992 – A major tornado strikes the Houston, Texas area during the afternoon. Over the next two days the largest tornado outbreak ever to occur in the US during November spawns over 100 tornadoes.

- 1995 – The Dayton Agreement is initialed at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, near Dayton, Ohio, ending three and a half years of war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

- 1996 – Humberto Vidal explosion: Thirty-three people die when a Humberto Vidal shoe shop explodes.

- 2002 – NATO invites Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia to become members.

- 2004 – The second round of the Ukrainian presidential election is held, giving rise to massive protests and controversy over the election's integrity.

- 2004 – Dominica is hit by the most destructive earthquake in its history. The northern half of the island sustains the most damage, especially the town of Portsmouth. In neighboring Guadeloupe, one person is killed.

- 2004 – The Paris Club agrees to write off 80% (up to $100 billion) of Iraq's external debt.

- 2006 – Anti-Syrian Lebanese politician and government minister Pierre Gemayel is assassinated in suburban Beirut.

- 2009 – A mine explosion in Heilongjiang, China kills 108.

- 2012 – At least 28 are wounded after a bomb is thrown onto a bus in Tel Aviv.

- 2013 – Fifty-four people are killed when the roof of a shopping center collapses in Riga, Latvia.

- 2013 – Massive protests start in Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych suspended signing the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement.

- 2014 – A stampede in Kwekwe, Zimbabwe caused by the police firing tear gas kills at least eleven people and injures 40 others.

- 2015 – The government of Belgium imposed a security lockdown on Brussels, including the closure of shops, schools, public transportation, due to potential terrorist attacks.

- 2017 – Robert Mugabe formally resign as President of Zimbabwe

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1694 – Voltaire, French historian, playwright, and philosopher

- 1787 – Samuel Cunard, Canadian businessman, founded the Cunard Line

- 1854 – Pope Benedict XV

- 1878 – Gustav Radbruch, German lawyer and politician, German Minister of Justice

- 1898 – René Magritte, Belgian painter

- 1902 – Isaac Bashevis Singer, Polish-American novelist and short story writer, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1944 – Harold Ramis, American actor, director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1945 – Goldie Hawn, American actress, singer, and producer

- 1965 – Björk, Icelandic singer-songwriter

- 1969 – Ken Griffey Jr., American baseball player and actor

- 1984 – Jena Malone, American actress and singer

- 1985 – Carly Rae Jepsen, Canadian singer-songwriter and actress

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Quote of the day

The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.

- Eleanor Roosevelt -

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Jaslandia, Kalaron, Minnesota Dakota, Mercunova, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Good choice. Keep it simple.

Right

Jaslandia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1927 – Columbine Mine massacre: Striking coal miners are allegedly attacked with machine guns by a detachment of state police dressed in civilian clothes.

It wouldn't be the last Columbine massacre, unfortunately.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Goodnight my friends. Wish you a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight. :)

Jaslandia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight my friends. Wish you a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight. :)

Goodnight, Peng!

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight my friends. Wish you a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight. :)

Jaslandia wrote:Goodnight, Peng!

Night people

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1950 – Two Canadian National Railway trains collide in northeastern British Columbia in the Canoe River train crash; the death toll is 21, with 17 of them Canadian troops bound for Korea.

How awful! It's always so sad when crashes like that happen.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Goodnight my friends. Wish you a nice remaining day and pleasant dreams tonight. :)

Goodnight, Peng!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Hey, what should I call my line of WWII tanks, and what should I call my cold war tanks?

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Hey kids

Wanna seize some means of production?

Penguania And Antarctica

Top 10 for most avoided and I may be the only one on that list that is not a psychotic dictatorship

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Hey, what should I call my line of WWII tanks, and what should I call my cold war tanks?

Thats a good question.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Hey, what should I call my line of WWII tanks, and what should I call my cold war tanks?

Still thinking about that. Maybe either 'Lion' or 'Bulldog' for WWII tanks, and 'Cheetah' or 'Cobra'. And, for sh*ts and giggles, why not call one group of tanks 'Aardvark'.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Top 10 for most avoided and I may be the only one on that list that is not a psychotic dictatorship

ContComm and 'the Free and Prosperous' are anarchies. It would be more accurate to say you're the only one in the Top 10 with an actually sensible form of government.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, The Wyoming Peoples Front

Jaslandia wrote:ContComm and 'the Free and Prosperous' are anarchies. It would be more accurate to say you're the only one in the Top 10 with an actually sensible form of government.

#SensibilityIsRelative

Percyton

Vista Major wrote:#SensibilityIsRelative

It depends. I think we can all agree that Switzerland's form of government is more sensible government than North Korea's, for example.

Vista Major

Jaslandia wrote:It depends. I think we can all agree that Switzerland's form of government is more sensible government than North Korea's, for example.

One would assume incorrectly

You know how NS people are

Jaslandia

Greetings everyone :D

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Latinamericana wrote:Greetings everyone :D

Hello! Welcome, welcome

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Latinamericana

Vista Major wrote:One would assume incorrectly

You know how NS people are

Indeed. However, those who argue that NK > Switzerland are either brainwashed, idiots, or both.

Vista Major

Vista Major wrote:One would assume incorrectly

You know how NS people are

I think you meant to refer to Jason Unruhe.

Vista Major, Latinamericana

Axeldonia wrote:Hey kids

Wanna seize some means of production?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jvn36OVdKs

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Latinamericana

Jaslandia wrote:Still thinking about that. Maybe either 'Lion' or 'Bulldog' for WWII tanks, and 'Cheetah' or 'Cobra'. And, for sh*ts and giggles, why not call one group of tanks 'Aardvark'.

Hmm...I might keep Aardvark, though my question was more of a designation one.

I'm thinking of keeping it pitifully simple and naming it "KT-(insert number here)" with the number being the year it was adopted.

As it stands though, it's really W/E since I still need to make my Lol-AMBT-886(?) with a 140mm thumper and dumb stuff like that. And the S/RFTS of course.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Vetriutan wrote:I think you meant to refer to Jason Unruhe.

His last name literally means disorder/uncalm

Lit

#LehrnenDeutsch

Penguania And Antarctica, Latinamericana

Kalaron wrote:Hmm...I might keep Aardvark, though my question was more of a designation one.

I'm thinking of keeping it pitifully simple and naming it "KT-(insert number here)" with the number being the year it was adopted.

As it stands though, it's really W/E since I still need to make my Lol-AMBT-886(?) with a 140mm thumper and dumb stuff like that. And the S/RFTS of course.

Ah. Seems like kinda a boring and bland naming system, but it's probably more realistic, so you do you and whatnot.

Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Indeed. However, those who argue that NK > Switzerland are either brainwashed, idiots, or both.

Or just new to the political scene

Rip net neutrality

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Vetriutan, Latinamericana

Vista Major wrote:His last name literally means disorder/uncalm

Lit

#LehrnenDeutsch

He is also a Maoist who supports the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Vista Major, Latinamericana

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Top 10 for most avoided and I may be the only one on that list that is not a psychotic dictatorship

I'm still surprised you barely beat out the corporate slave state I control

Axeldonia, Percyton

Latinamericana wrote:Greetings everyone :D

Hey there...

Need a flag?

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Latinamericana

Auxorii wrote:Rip net neutrality

FIGHT

Vetriutan wrote:He is also a Maoist who supports the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

woahwoahwoah

Axeldonia wrote:Hey there...

Need a flag?

Subtle.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Or just new to the political scene

You don't need to be a weatherman to know it's raining, and you don't need to be a political scientist to know NK is awful.

Vista Major wrote:His last name literally means disorder/uncalm

Lit

#LehrnenDeutsch

And apparently that's not his real name.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Maoist_Rebel_News

Auxorii wrote:Rip net neutrality

Not looking good for net neutrality, I'm afraid. So much for not being screwed over by ISPs.

Vista Major

Vista Major wrote:FIGHTwoahwoahwoahSubtle.

If you want to be subtle, slip in the offer while sucking them off :p

Vista Major, Axeldonia

Jaslandia wrote:You don't need to be a weatherman to know it's raining, and you don't need to be a political scientist to know NK is awful.

Yet here NK is now

Jaslandia wrote:And apparently that's not his real name.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Maoist_Rebel_News

FAKE NEWS

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:woahwoahwoah

He is also a Third Worldist and opposes any efforts by those in the first world to establish communism. Sounds like a great idea for spreading communism to me.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MaoistRebelNews2

Vista Major

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:If you want to be subtle, slip in the offer while sucking them off :p

https://media1.tenor.com/images/619a29f168c474833c05aca3424e5998/tenor.gif?itemid=4297945

Vetriutan wrote:He is also a Third Worldist and opposes any efforts by those in the first world to establish communism. Sounds like a great idea for spreading communism to me.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MaoistRebelNews2

less lit

Jaslandia, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Ah. Seems like kinda a boring and bland naming system, but it's probably more realistic, so you do you and whatnot.

Trust me, I agree honestly. I guess the problem is finding one that isn't a copy, a political thing, or something the just makes sense.

For example, we could choose to name it instead by the caliber, so KT-80 for a 80mm tank, but what happens if Kalaron doubles down on the 80mm cannon? The IS-series of naming is out too. It being shorthand for Iosif Stalin not withstanding, it's wholly political which I would much rather not do.

I could try to make the name more creative though, and go with something "KAV-45" but then it gets confusing if two armoured vehicles are adopted in the same year.

Maybe I'll have Kalaron just never use the word "Tank" in historical context and instead just refer to it as the KHAV (Kalaronian Heavy Armoured Vehicle)?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:less lit

I thought that a Pan-Africanist like you would like that stance, but I was wrong.

http://www.tombstonebuilder.com/generate.php?top1=CONSTIDOR&top2=1918-1921&top3=HE+WAS+WRONG&top4=&sp=

Vista Major

Axeldonia wrote:Hey there...

Need a flag?

I do

Vista Major wrote:less lit

Unruhe is an idiot. He says those in the twin towers deserved it.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

420 posts since I was last on

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Auxorii wrote:Unruhe is an idiot. He says those in the twin towers deserved it.

He could very well be joking, especially since he is as mature as a thirteen-year-old boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W2s4xktS1M

Vetriutan wrote:He could very well be joking, especially since he is as mature as a thirteen-year-old boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W2s4xktS1M

Disgusting to joke about tht

Percyton

Auxorii wrote:Disgusting to joke about tht

Not to a thirteen-year-old.

Auxorii wrote:I do

OwO

Do you have anything specific in mind?

Penguania And Antarctica

Onocarcass wrote:420 posts since I was last on

Time to get reading, sonny-boy

Auxorii wrote:Unruhe is an idiot. He says those in the twin towers deserved it.

Ew

Vetriutan wrote:I thought that a Pan-Africanist like you would like that stance, but I was wrong.

http://www.tombstonebuilder.com/generate.php?top1=CONSTIDOR&top2=1918-1921&top3=HE+WAS+WRONG&top4=&sp=

If communism is to be achieved, all people must be involved, not just those in the third world

I dislike the use of "third world" due to its perversion from the original meaning

Axeldonia, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:Time to get reading, sonny-boy

I never read old posts.

Vista Major wrote:If communism is to be achieved, all people must be involved, not just those in the third world

I dislike the use of "third world" due to its perversion from the original meaning

You're now a commie? I thought you were a d e m o c r a t i c s o c i a l i s t.

Vista Major

communism doesn’t and will never work

Oelesa

Vetriutan wrote:I never read old posts.

You're now a commie? I thought you were a d e m o c r a t i c s o c i a l i s t.

You should

And I am. I'm simply stating my opinion on the Communist Question

Vista Major wrote:If communism is to be achieved, all people must be involved, not just those in the third world

I dislike the use of "third world" due to its perversion from the original meaning

I N T E R S E C T I O N A L I T Y

Vetriutan wrote:I never read old posts.

You're now a commie? I thought you were a d e m o c r a t i c s o c i a l i s t.

Suck it ya milquetoast liberal

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Auxorii wrote:communism doesn’t and will never work

[Insert Debate About the Merits of Communism That Will Not Change Anyone's Opinions on the Ideology]

Jaslandia, Auxorii, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Trust me, I agree honestly. I guess the problem is finding one that isn't a copy, a political thing, or something the just makes sense.

For example, we could choose to name it instead by the caliber, so KT-80 for a 80mm tank, but what happens if Kalaron doubles down on the 80mm cannon? The IS-series of naming is out too. It being shorthand for Iosif Stalin not withstanding, it's wholly political which I would much rather not do.

I could try to make the name more creative though, and go with something "KAV-45" but then it gets confusing if two armoured vehicles are adopted in the same year.

Maybe I'll have Kalaron just never use the word "Tank" in historical context and instead just refer to it as the KHAV (Kalaronian Heavy Armoured Vehicle)?

I was more taking about why you couldn't just names (i.e. 'Sherman', 'King Tiger', 'Patton', etc.), and then maybe put a number or abbreviation in front of that name.

Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:Suck it ya milquetoast liberal

Anarcho-communism = liberalism

Auxorii

Vetriutan wrote:Anarcho-communism = liberalism

*failure

Spanelsko

Axeldonia wrote:I N T E R S E C T I O N A L I T Y

Not quite, but you're close

Axeldonia

Kalaron wrote:Trust me, I agree honestly. I guess the problem is finding one that isn't a copy, a political thing, or something the just makes sense.

For example, we could choose to name it instead by the caliber, so KT-80 for a 80mm tank, but what happens if Kalaron doubles down on the 80mm cannon? The IS-series of naming is out too. It being shorthand for Iosif Stalin not withstanding, it's wholly political which I would much rather not do.

I could try to make the name more creative though, and go with something "KAV-45" but then it gets confusing if two armoured vehicles are adopted in the same year.

Maybe I'll have Kalaron just never use the word "Tank" in historical context and instead just refer to it as the KHAV (Kalaronian Heavy Armoured Vehicle)?

Thats a good point your making. I've been attached to the "T" line. (T-34, T-90, ect) I've been thinking of designating them something like EQT-34/85, but it's still the T-34/85.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Auxorii wrote:*failure

[Insert Debate About the Merits of Anarcho-Communism That Will Not Change Anyone's Opinions on the Ideology]

Jaslandia, Auxorii, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Vetriutan wrote:Anarcho-communism = liberalism

That's why I said "Milquetoast"

Auxorii wrote:communism doesn’t and will never work

Don't insult Granpa Marx

Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:That's why I said "Milquetoast"

Anyone who isn't a tankie = milquetoast liberal

Vetriutan wrote:Anyone who isn't a tankie = milquetoast liberal

I'm not a tankie, I just have a fetish for daddy Stalin. Don't kinkshame.

Spanelsko

Axeldonia wrote:I'm not a tankie, I just have a fetish for daddy Stalin. Don't kinkshame.

An anarcho communist that likes Stalin..?

Axeldonia wrote:I'm not a tankie, I just have a fetish for daddy Stalin. Don't kinkshame.

But what about the Holodomor? And don't use weather conditions as an excuse.

Auxorii

Russkov Soviet wrote:Thats a good point your making. I've been attached to the "T" line. (T-34, T-90, ect) I've been thinking of designating them something like EQT-34/85, but it's still the T-34/85.

*Nods*

The T-34/85 is interesting since it's really just a mod of the T-34 with a bigger turret ring. I'm also against simple designations using "T" though because it's almost too simplistic IMO. Same reason I made my MBT-90 the...well...MBT-90 :P

For my part, I was actually considering the use of the T-44 and the T-54 as the basis of mine own tanks from the period. It could change depending on if I find other tanks I like though. TBH I could just use a Post War French tank though, they really look like they belonged in it.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I was more taking about why you couldn't just names (i.e. 'Sherman', 'King Tiger', 'Patton', etc.), and then maybe put a number or abbreviation in front of that name.

True, I could. An interesting proposition, even. Normally I keep the names separate because IIwiki is basically glue that locks you into the name you choose when you first make the page. That's my biggest regret with the Ninox, I really wanted to give it a cliche name after a Valkyrie but included Ninox in the title.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Auxorii wrote:An anarcho communist that likes Stalin..?

Vetriutan wrote:But what about the Holodomor? And don't use weather conditions as an excuse.

D O N ' T K I N K S H A M E

No, but in all seriousness I do not approve of Stalin. It's just that to almost everyone outside leftist circles, "Communism" is seen as uniformed men in the kremlin plotting the downfall of the US, so I think it's a little fun to just embrace the stereotype.

Jaslandia, Vetriutan

Axeldonia wrote:D O N ' T K I N K S H A M E

No, but in all seriousness I do not approve of Stalin. It's just that to almost everyone outside leftist circles, "Communism" is seen as uniformed men in the kremlin plotting the downfall of the US, so I think it's a little fun to just embrace the stereotype.

Embracing the stereotype will make people even more unaccepting of the ideology.

Auxorii

Vetriutan wrote:Embracing the stereotype will make people even more unaccepting of the ideology.

I obviously don't do it in real life, just on the internoots.

Jaslandia, Vetriutan

Axeldonia wrote:I obviously don't do it in real life, just on the internoots.

Good.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Percyton

Vetriutan wrote:Good.

Now comerade, let us plot the demise of the burgeoise world order

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

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