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[I]nickers What's all this now regarding a nation terrorizing a region, and said nation (our President no less) being a threat? I haven't even met them or their leader. I know I'm a anthro-equine, but I'm friendly ffs. [I]snorts

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:We are sister regions in diplomacy, not in judiciary. We have separate legal systems and separate laws, so it makes sense that we won't automatically condemn a nation that was condemned in Libertatem. You are free to 'warn' us about Hyderbourg and share any information you have about him potentially posing a threat to the CoFN, but when it comes to a legal and policy judgement, we'd rather make our own decisions.

I was in favor of renewing a sister relationship between Libertatem and the CoFN, but if you're going to be this intransigent on this Hyderbourg thing, then perhaps a split might be best for the time being. But, I'll leave that to our Chancellor and Foreign Affairs Minister in the end.

A few things. Regional elections and politics, role-playing (both casual and formal), and just casual discussion and chatter.

Cool, is it ok if I have citizenship in another region and apply for citizenship in this one?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Hapocrid wrote:Cool, is it ok if I have citizenship in another region and apply for citizenship in this one?

I'm not aware of any laws or statutes against dual citizenship, so go ahead! Just as long as you can document which nation is your WA nation.

Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Hapocrid

Chalanka wrote:I told you voter fraud should be dealt seriously. I knew something bad would happen.

There is no voter fraud here. You send your ballot to two different people.

Lavan Tiri

Pevvania wrote:[B]TERMINATION NOTICE[/B]

It's come to the attention of my administration that The Confederacy of Free Nations, a long-standing friend of Libertatem, has come under the control of an individual on Libertatem's Terror Watch List. Throughout the summer, [nation=short]Hyderbourg[/nation] led a campaign of sabotage, coercion and intimidation against the government and people of Libertatem. He used a range of illicit tactics in order to attempt a coup d'état and unlawfully propel himself to power, including faking election poll results, creating puppets to rig elections in his favor, circumventing court orders, sabotaging our foreign policy to score political points and, unfortunately, bullying and harassing members of the community, which created a hostile and unwelcome atmosphere. He was convicted on multiple charges and banned from the region. This is all a matter of law on public record, and can be accessed on our Discord in the #court channel.

The full extent of his disturbing actions only came to light after he was banned, and so he was placed on the Terror Watch List on July 27th of this year. The fact that he's now in a position to lead this region means that the Confederacy, in the eyes of Libertatem, is now a state sponsor of terror. Continuing to maintain a relationship would be in effect endorsing the current regime, which would be totally antithetical to our values and disrespectful to the victims of Hyder's attacks.

This may not matter to you. But look at how quickly he's climbed the rungs of power in this region after just a few months of residency. Your region has fallen into the hands of a strongman who I doubt will consider giving up power any time soon.

Therefore, effective immediately, the Republic of Libertatem is terminating diplomatic relations with the Confederacy of Free Nations. I will also be asking the Senate to withdraw from the Libertatem-CFN sister region treaty.

But let me make something clear: our issue is with the Hyderbourg regime, not the people of the CFN. Our two regions have a long history of cooperation, and there are many good people here, like [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation] and [nation=short]Baxten[/nation], that have made contributions to both Libertatem and the Confederacy. The people of this great region should not be punished for the actions of one man. Therefore, I am going to propose legislation to the Senate creating a refugee program for peoples under the subjugation of rogue states and authoritarian regimes. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, Libertatem is still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness, toward home.

Anyone looking to apply for refugee status may personally telegram me, and I will do my best to take care of you and make you welcome.

Yours, in liberty,

[nation=short]Pevvania[/nation]

President of Libertatem

Its seems to me like Libertatem is the true tyranny. If this is how you act because of who is our current leader, then we are better off without you. Good riddance to bad eggs.

Lavan Tiri, Hyderbourg, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Application has been filled out

Lavan Tiri, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:Well... I was gonna form the Greater Siberian Federation, but I'm not sure

Sounds interesting, yet i dont really see who would join that since Siberia is all under your control great premier......

Russkov Soviet, Lavan Tiri

Minnesota Dakota wrote:Who else doesn't have prisons?

No prisons in Percyton, at least in NS. Not so much for the actual Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Got my wisdom teeth pulled today. My mouth is still swollen, and I have a bunch of dietary restrictions to follow and pills to take, but it went well overall. Hopefully I can rest and recover over the next few days.

Oh dear! Makes me lucky us engines rarely, if ever, have teeth problems. We have teething problems, though.

https://youtu.be/epH9c0nCHus

I hope you feel better soon, Jas! I've spoken to some kids/teens and their parents not long after they had their (the kids and teens, not the parents) wisdom teeth removed, and they said things usually get better after the first few days. Just hang in there!

Hapocrid wrote:Application has been filled out

Welcome to the CoFN, Hapocrid! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Hapocrid

Percyton wrote:Oh dear! Makes me lucky us engines rarely, if ever, have teeth problems. We have teething problems, though.

https://youtu.be/epH9c0nCHus

I hope you feel better soon, Jas! I've spoken to some kids/teens and their parents not long after they had their (the kids and teens, not the parents) wisdom teeth removed, and they said things usually get better after the first few days. Just hang in there!

Thanks for the encouragement, Percy! Thankfully I'm feeling a little bit better.

And I remember that episode. How is Derek doing by the way? He's not in the TV show anymore (in fact, the TV show never even named him), and we never really found out what happened to him.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Oh also welcome Hapocrid. I see you have only 1 policy which is conscription.

So BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:Thanks for the encouragement, Percy! Thankfully I'm feeling a little bit better.

And I remember that episode. How is Derek doing by the way? He's not in the TV show anymore (in fact, the TV show never even named him), and we never really found out what happened to him.

Derek is doing good, I'm pleased to say. After the events of the episode, Derek went to the Crovan's Gate Works (which is where the Sodor Steamworks is now), where they fixed some of his problems. Derek then worked with Bill and Ben at the China Clay Pits for many years, until Timothy arrived to help at the Clay Pits in 2012. With Derek no longer being needed at the Clay Pits, he was transferred to Edward's Branch Line as a mixed-traffic engine (the route to the Clay Pits is just past Edward's Branch Line). Derek still works on Edward's Branch Line, and after a few trips to the Sodor Steamworks, they managed to fix most of Derek's remaining defects so he breaks down much less often.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Spanelsko

Spanelsko wrote:Sounds interesting, yet i dont really see who would join that since Siberia is all under your control great premier......

Well...while Siberia is a part of our Motherland.... the Greater Siberian Federation is only called such cause I started it, not due to Siberia.

Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Tserra wrote:Its seems to me like Libertatem is the true tyranny. If this is how you act because of who is our current leader, then we are better off without you. Good riddance to bad eggs.

Libertatem literally spent their whole golden age rampaging around raiding commie regions and yet no one believed me when I said they were bad dudes. Some cool people have come out of that region (Humph I'm looking at you buddy) but the region as a whole stinks and now that it's golden age has well and truly passed I think we can part ways knowing we didn't lose anything of real value.

Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Hyderbourg, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:Libertatem literally spent their whole golden age rampaging around raiding commie regions and yet no one believed me when I said they were bad dudes. Some cool people have come out of that region (Humph I'm looking at you buddy) but the region as a whole stinks and now that it's golden age has well and truly passed I think we can part ways knowing we didn't lose anything of real value.

Personally I agree. I do not like their attitudes, and the way they treat people. I mean this speaks volumes. They are really so petty, as to break ties over who we decided to elect? Come on dude. *Shakes head*

Russkov Soviet, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Hyderbourg, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Personally I agree. I do not like their attitudes, and the way they treat people. I mean this speaks volumes. They are really so petty, as to break ties over who we decided to elect? Come on dude. *Shakes head*

Obviously, I haven't been around THAT long, but uh... they sound pretty bad.

Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia

Tserra wrote:Personally I agree. I do not like their attitudes, and the way they treat people. I mean this speaks volumes. They are really so petty, as to break ties over who we decided to elect? Come on dude. *Shakes head*

Maybe it's just me, but Libertatem wasn't always this petty, and there used to be a time when both regions trusted and supported each other. I'm quite disappointed it reached this level, but unless Libertatem is willing to yield or compromise on this, this many be the end of the line for us and Libertatem.

Russkov Soviet, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Hey guys!

If anyone's planning a coup here...well, watching the development of world events tonight, it's just possible that now is the time to strike, :D

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Hey guys!

If anyone's planning a coup here...well, watching the development of world events tonight, it's just possible that now is the time to strike, :D

Is here referring to NationStates, your home country of South Africa, or some other place? What's happening?

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Is here referring to NationStates, your home country of South Africa, or some other place? What's happening?

Zimbabwe

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:Hey guys!

If anyone's planning a coup here...well, watching the development of world events tonight, it's just possible that now is the time to strike, :D

Gimme a kiss and you can be lead commander of the Anti-Libertatem League

10 pesos a year, it's a sweet gig

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Haven't you heard? Zimbabwes ticking like a time bomb...there's a lot of confusion and overexaggration at this point, and it's nearly 3am, so it seems unlikely that we'll get the whole truth tonight...

But if rumours are to be believed, then a coup is taking place there.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Unfallious wrote:

Zimbabwe

Nevermind then

Lavan Tiri

However, don't pop the champagne yet. Even the latest news is pretty confused/unreliable.

The latest credible stuff from Reuters/AP/BBC is that the State Broadcaster is under military control and that explosions have occured in the northern suburbs of Harare.

Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Also; hey guys, long time no see, ;)

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Haven't you heard? Zimbabwes ticking like a time bomb...there's a lot of confusion and overexaggration at this point, and it's nearly 3am, so it seems unlikely that we'll get the whole truth tonight...

But if rumours are to be believed, then a coup is taking place there.

Killdash wrote:However, don't pop the champagne yet. Even the latest news is pretty confused/unreliable.

The latest credible stuff from Reuters/AP/BBC is that the State Broadcaster is under military control and that explosions have occured in the northern suburbs of Harare.

Oh. Last I heard about Zimbabwe, Mugabe's party had kicked him out of the party, which was assumed to be a empty gesture. I also heard about questions over succession, but I didn't know it was a crisis. How did things escalate?

Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Also; hey guys, long time no see, ;)
You started on a rather salty note, but okay

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:You started on a rather salty note, but okay

Salty? Not my intention, I was just trying to make a tie-in joke to the possible coup...didn't intend offense, I'm genuinely pleased to be back.

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Salty? Not my intention, I was just trying to make a tie-in joke to the possible coup...didn't intend offense, I'm genuinely pleased to be back.

don't worry that's just vista

he's still vista

Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:Haven't you heard? Zimbabwes ticking like a time bomb...there's a lot of confusion and overexaggration at this point, and it's nearly 3am, so it seems unlikely that we'll get the whole truth tonight...

But if rumours are to be believed, then a coup is taking place there.

Oh dear! I hope you and everyone else are safe! Here's Thomas' statement:

"The State of Percyton is concerned about recent developments in Zimbabwe. Though we do not have an official stance on President Robert Mugabe's government, we value stability, and are always disappointed to see violence and war. We hope the situation in Zimbabwe is resolved as soon as possible, and we will be monitoring the situation as it develops."

Killdash wrote:Salty? Not my intention, I was just trying to make a tie-in joke to the possible coup...didn't intend offense, I'm genuinely pleased to be back.

Vista Major wrote:You started on a rather salty note, but okay

Salty's a Really Useful Dockside Diesel!

https://youtu.be/WZbqDkC2wtU

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Andromitus

Jaslandia wrote:Oh. Last I heard about Zimbabwe, Mugabe's party had kicked him out of the party, which was assumed to be a empty gesture. I also heard about questions over succession, but I didn't know it was a crisis. How did things escalate?

Well, after he got rid of the vice-president, the chief of the armed forces delivered a speech about how he felt betrayed by all this ousting of old war comrades and how he could see Grace Mugabes politicking behind the scenes. Then he added that he thought that there were counter-revolutionary forces within ZANU-PF and then said that the army would be there to preserve the ethos of the struggle...

And then today, the country has just been simmering away under this tension. There's a bit of credibility to these reports, but I think everyone's far from sure at this point.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:don't worry that's just vista

he's still vista

Some things don't change...it's a comfort to see stability in these crazy times of ours, haha.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

What the heck happened while I wasn't looking

Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Andromitus

Killdash wrote:Well, after he got rid of the vice-president, the chief of the armed forces delivered a speech about how he felt betrayed by all this ousting of old war comrades and how he could see Grace Mugabes politicking behind the scenes. Then he added that he thought that there were counter-revolutionary forces within ZANU-PF and then said that the army would be there to preserve the ethos of the struggle...

And then today, the country has just been simmering away under this tension. There's a bit of credibility to these reports, but I think everyone's far from sure at this point.

I see. Sounds like a tense situation, and I hope it doesn't boil over into outright violence. Stay safe, Killash!

Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:What the heck happened while I wasn't looking

In a nutshell: We had a brief conversation about voter fraud in the CoFN, Libertatem cut their ties with the CoFN over Hyderbourg being elected Chancellor, I got my wisdom teeth pulled, and now Zimbabwe might have a coup.

https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs?t=18s

Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Percyton

Percyton wrote:Salty's a Really Useful Dockside Diesel!

https://youtu.be/WZbqDkC2wtU

Yes, very much so

Unfallious wrote:don't worry that's just vista

he's still vista

You wound me, Medieval RP Moderator

Killdash wrote:Salty? Not my intention, I was just trying to make a tie-in joke to the possible coup...didn't intend offense, I'm genuinely pleased to be back.

I share your sentiment. You've been missed

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I see. Sounds like a tense situation, and I hope it doesn't boil over into outright violence. Stay safe, Killash!

I mean, I doubt this will spill over to SA...for all our faults, we at least are pretty stable, and the government, though friendly with Robert and co, are hardly raring to deploy the military to fight in the bush again.

And public opinion on Mugabe is so divided that any attempt to do so would just create more problems for the government, and they're juggling them as is...

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Axeldonia wrote:What the heck happened while I wasn't looking

Sex

It's always sex

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:In a nutshell: We had a brief conversation about voter fraud in the CoFN, Libertatem cut their ties with the CoFN over Hyderbourg being elected Chancellor, I got my wisdom teeth pulled, and now Zimbabwe might have a coup.

https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs?t=18s

Libertatem cut ties? We've been allies for years!

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:In a nutshell: We had a brief conversation about voter fraud in the CoFN, Libertatem cut their ties with the CoFN over Hyderbourg being elected Chancellor, I got my wisdom teeth pulled, and now Zimbabwe might have a coup.

https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs?t=18s

Geez. Well, I'm willing to be a temporary chancellor should things derail further. Just throwing that out there.

Vista Major wrote:Sex

It's always sex

Get your mind outta the gutter

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

And the US Embassy just issued its warning status to staff and citizens in the country...

Could the end really be nigh?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia

Killdash wrote:And the US Embassy just issued its warning status to staff and citizens in the country...

Could the end really be nigh?

Coup! Coup! Coup! Coup!

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Killdash wrote:Also; hey guys, long time no see, ;)

Nice to see you around again Kill.

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you around again Kill.

Hey Al...how goes the GR, :)?

Alruniea, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:I mean, I doubt this will spill over to SA...for all our faults, we at least are pretty stable, and the government, though friendly with Robert and co, are hardly raring to deploy the military to fight in the bush again.

And public opinion on Mugabe is so divided that any attempt to do so would just create more problems for the government, and they're juggling them as is...

I see. The way you talked about it, I was worried you were actually in Zimbabwe. It probably won't spill into South Africa, like you said, but if this situation escalates, I wouldn't be surprised if South Africa intervenes militarily in Zimbabwe.

Killdash wrote:Libertatem cut ties? We've been allies for years!

I was surprised too, but Hyderbourg and Libertatem had a big falling out a while ago while Hyde was in Libertatem, as Libertatem brought a whole bunch of legal charges against Hyderbourg regarding electoral fraud and usurpation of power and whatnot. Some people here have been skeptical of those charges from the start, and even if they were true, I and others have been explaining to Libertatem that the CoFN is its own region and will make its own decisions regardless of Hyde's actions in another region. Still, according to Libertatem, the CoFN is now a 'state sponsor of terror', and they're offering 'refugee' status to any CoFNers who want to leave because of Hyderbourg's election.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you around again Kill.

Hey, Runiea! Good to see you again!

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you around again Kill.

#Killruniea

Killdash wrote:And the US Embassy just issued its warning status to staff and citizens in the country...

Could the end really be nigh?

*skims through African history*

Eh.

Axeldonia wrote:Get your mind outta the gutter

It's not a gutter

Killdash wrote:Libertatem cut ties? We've been allies for years!

THINGS CHANGE, BRAD--er, Kill

Alruniea, Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Hey Al...how goes the GR, :)?

It's practically dead, sadly.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Hey, Runiea! Good to see you again!

Nice to see you too, Jas. How're things with you?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Alruniea wrote:It's practically dead, sadly.

Would you like to *sniff* sign the papers?

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I see. The way you talked about it, I was worried you were actually in Zimbabwe. It probably won't spill into South Africa, like you said, but if this situation escalates, I wouldn't be surprised if South Africa intervenes militarily in Zimbabwe.

I was surprised too, but Hyderbourg and Libertatem had a big falling out a while ago while Hyde was in Libertatem, as Libertatem brought a whole bunch of legal charges against Hyderbourg regarding electoral fraud and usurpation of power and whatnot. Some people here have been skeptical of those charges from the start, and even if they were true, I and others have been explaining to Libertatem that the CoFN is its own region and will make its own decisions regardless of Hyde's actions in another region. Still, according to Libertatem, the CoFN is now a 'state sponsor of terror', and they're offering 'refugee' status to any CoFNers who want to leave because of Hyderbourg's election.

I take your point...but I think the hard reality is that the government doesn't have the power to do it. They're engulfed in scandal, the director of the State Security Agency just got indicted, the Student Fees Commisions report hasn't been well received, (although it's not inaccurate) and the President himself barely survived a motion of no confidence...

Funding and deploying the military will just deepen the hole, especially after the government has recently claimed it doesn't have the money for educational funding...if it suddenly appears available for an intervention, they'll lose the youth support, and without that, they've got nothing.

Lavan Tiri

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you around again Kill.

Hey Al :D

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:#Killruniea

*skims through African history*

Eh.

It's not a gutter

THINGS CHANGE, BRAD--er, Kill

"But you promised..."

"Hitler promised not to invade Poland. Welcome to the real world, Daniel"

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major

Alruniea wrote:It's practically dead, sadly.

Aww, a great pity to see the proud old place so small. At least it's holding on.

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:I take your point...but I think the hard reality is that the government doesn't have the power to do it. They're engulfed in scandal, the director of the State Security Agency just got indicted, the Student Fees Commisions report hasn't been well received, (although it's not inaccurate) and the President himself barely survived a motion of no confidence...

Funding and deploying the military will just deepen the hole, especially after the government has recently claimed it doesn't have the money for educational funding...if it suddenly appears available for an intervention, they'll lose the youth support, and without that, they've got nothing.

Fair point. I know the South African government has been mired in one scandal or another for years now. It seems like S.A. hasn't had even a decent president since Thabo Mbeki, and even he did a lot of damage with his anti-science AIDS/HIV policies. And that Jacob Zuma seems extremely corrupt and borderline autocratic. I hope you all can vote him out soon.

Killdash, Lavan Tiri

Killdash wrote:"But you promised..."

"Hitler promised not to invade Poland. Welcome to the real world, Daniel"

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/gsp.gif

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you too, Jas. How're things with you?

Good, for the most part. Had my wisdom teeth removed today, and that was a big pain, but I'm recovering nicely now.

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Fair point. I know the South African government has been mired in one scandal or another for years now. It seems like S.A. hasn't had even a decent president since Thabo Mbeki, and even he did a lot of damage with his anti-science AIDS/HIV policies. And that Jacob Zuma seems extremely corrupt and borderline autocratic. I hope you all can vote him out soon.

I can vote in the next election in 2019! I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Certainly, it will be interesting to see the ANCs next move. They're boxed in by the EFF on the left and the DA on the centre left...the right wing is functionally non-existent here, so where do they go? Jacob Zuma hasn't been good for their grip on power, so 2019's candidate will have to be someone special to get voters back into the kraal, so to speak.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Would you like to *sniff* sign the papers?

Nah, not yet.

Kalaron wrote:Hey Al :D

Hey Kal. How's it going?

And how're things with you and Tim?

Jaslandia wrote:Good, for the most part. Had my wisdom teeth removed today, and that was a big pain, but I'm recovering nicely now.

Ah, sounds fun.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:I can vote in the next election in 2019! I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Certainly, it will be interesting to see the ANCs next move. They're boxed in by the EFF on the left and the DA on the centre left...the right wing is functionally non-existent here, so where do they go? Jacob Zuma hasn't been good for their grip on power, so 2019's candidate will have to be someone special to get voters back into the kraal, so to speak.

Interesting. Do either the EFF or DA have a chance of winning? Surely there must be enough disaffected ANC voters who are wiling to vote for either EFF or DA (assuming ANC doesn't nominate a true reformist who can win those voters back).

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Good, for the most part. Had my wisdom teeth removed today, and that was a big pain, but I'm recovering nicely now.

http://poster.keepcalmandposters.com/default/5868717_keep_calm_because_jas_is_okay.png

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Alruniea wrote:Nah, not yet.

*tucks them away in overflowing U-Haul boxes*

Another day then

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Interesting. Do either the EFF or DA have a chance of winning? Surely there must be enough disaffected ANC voters who are wiling to vote for either EFF or DA (assuming ANC doesn't nominate a true reformist who can win those voters back).

I'd say the DA is probably their most formidable opponent in the upcoming elections.

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:Interesting. Do either the EFF or DA have a chance of winning? Surely there must be enough disaffected ANC voters who are wiling to vote for either EFF or DA (assuming ANC doesn't nominate a true reformist who can win those voters back).

Winning might be a bridge too far, unless they form a coalition, perhaps...but certainly they should and probably will eat into the ANC's share, and that's important...the fewer seats in parliament they have, the more difficult it is to impose their will. And for the governorship of provinces, it's important too. There's a real possibility that the DA will scoop Gauteng in the 2019 elections, and that would weaken the ANC tremendously.

EDIT: Certainly the EFF won't be winning alone...they had about 3% of the vote, last election. Their power is as a swing party or powerbroker.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Vista Major wrote:http://poster.keepcalmandposters.com/default/5868717_keep_calm_because_jas_is_okay.png

Nice poster.

Alruniea wrote:I'd say the DA is probably their most formidable opponent in the upcoming elections.

My basic reading of them indicates they're a pretty centrist, middle-of-the-road party. Seem like a strong opposition, but I'm not sure if a centrist party can attract much enthusiasm, and I'm not sure if voter enthusiasm is as important in South Africa as it often is in the U.S.

Killdash wrote:Winning might be a bridge too far, unless they form a coalition, perhaps...but certainly they should and probably will eat into the ANC's share, and that's important...the fewer seats in parliament they have, the more difficult it is to impose their will. And for the governorship of provinces, it's important too. There's a real possibility that the DA will scoop Gauteng in the 2019 elections, and that would weaken the ANC tremendously.

I see. If DA or EFF can't go win completely, is there the possibility of some sort of minority government?

Lavan Tiri

Killdash wrote:Winning might be a bridge too far, unless they form a coalition, perhaps...but certainly they should and probably will eat into the ANC's share, and that's important...the fewer seats in parliament they have, the more difficult it is to impose their will. And for the governorship of provinces, it's important too. There's a real possibility that the DA will scoop Gauteng in the 2019 elections, and that would weaken the ANC tremendously.

EDIT: Certainly the EFF won't be winning alone...they had about 3% of the vote, last election. Their power is as a swing party or powerbroker.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41992351 dont know if you've seen this mate

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Alruniea wrote:Nah, not yet.

Hey Kal. How's it going?

And how're things with you and Tim?

Ah, sounds fun.

Very, very good :D

Recently sold Lex some 81Bil in military hardware, and me and Tim are still engaged :P

Tim is coming up in December, and he'll even have an engagement ring when he does.

Alruniea, Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Nice poster.

Bitte sehr

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I see. If DA or EFF can't go win completely, is there the possibility of some sort of minority government?

I'm pretty sure the EFF said they wouldn't enter into coalition with any party and I don't see a far-left and centrist party in coalition being likely no matter the situation.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Alruniea wrote:I'm pretty sure the EFF said they wouldn't enter into coalition with any party and I don't see a far-left and centrist party in coalition being likely no matter the situation.

Ok. What about a coalition with ANC?

Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:Ok. What about a coalition with ANC?

I don't see that likely with either the EFF or DA.

Jaslandia

Alruniea wrote:I don't see that likely with either the EFF or DA.

I see. So no party gets a majority, the winner either has to ally with one or two minor parties, or they're screwed politically?

Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:I see. So no party gets a majority, the winner either has to ally with one or two minor parties, or they're screwed politically?

I'd say most likely situation is ANC retaining a majority but being significantly weakened in seats. However, you never really know.

Jaslandia, Killdash, Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:Nice poster.

My basic reading of them indicates they're a pretty centrist, middle-of-the-road party. Seem like a strong opposition, but I'm not sure if a centrist party can attract much enthusiasm, and I'm not sure if voter enthusiasm is as important in South Africa as it often is in the U.S.

I see. If DA or EFF can't go win completely, is there the possibility of some sort of minority government?

Uhm, the DA gets decent voter turnout on the basis of their campaigns to encourage voters and also because a lot of people are incensed by the ANC and so turn out as a sort of protest vote...they had the highest turn out by party in almost all of their wards in the municipal elections.

As for a coalition, a full coalition is unlikely. They're simply too different...but a parliamentary alliance to keep the ANC in check is not out of the question. They can work together, and do so in Pretoria, Johannesburg and Nelson Mandela Bay, the three municipalities where the DA and the EFF rule together.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Jaslandia wrote:I see. So no party gets a majority, the winner either has to ally with one or two minor parties, or they're screwed politically?

ANC already has a full coalition, (albeit growing shaky) with COSATU and the SACP...other than that, the three or four other minor parties vote with whatever serves their doctrines, but they have almost no influence.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Killdash wrote:Uhm, the DA gets decent voter turnout on the basis of their campaigns to encourage voters and also because a lot of people are incensed by the ANC and so turn out as a sort of protest vote...they had the highest turn out by party in almost all of their wards in the municipal elections.

As for a coalition, a full coalition is unlikely. They're simply too different...but a parliamentary alliance to keep the ANC in check is not out of the question. They can work together, and do so in Pretoria, Johannesburg and Nelson Mandela Bay, the three municipalities where the DA and the EFF rule together.

Killdash wrote:ANC already has a full coalition, (albeit growing shaky) with COSATU and the SACP...other than that, the three or four other minor parties vote with whatever serves their doctrines, but they have almost no influence.

I see. Didn't know that. Sounds like the ANC has fairly solid grip on power in the short-term, at least on the national level. However, if they lose their coalition and can't get a majority, it sounds like all bets are off in regards to who forms a coalition and who allies with who.

Killdash, Lavan Tiri

Percyton wrote:No prisons in Percyton, at least in NS. Not so much for the actual Percyton

Oh dear! Makes me lucky us engines rarely, if ever, have teeth problems. We have teething problems, though.

https://youtu.be/epH9c0nCHus

I hope you feel better soon, Jas! I've spoken to some kids/teens and their parents not long after they had their (the kids and teens, not the parents) wisdom teeth removed, and they said things usually get better after the first few days. Just hang in there!

Welcome to the CoFN, Hapocrid! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!

Thanks, I think I'm gonna have a great time here.

Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Whoa. Al and Killy are back, there are 113 messages, and we quite possibly have an insane terrorist as our leader?

NOW THIS IS THE CFN I KNOW!

Alruniea, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

What is the most popular political ideology here?

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major

Hapocrid wrote:What is the most popular political ideology here?

I know before it was generally center-left and left-libertarian before, though we do have some new people so that could have easily changed.

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Hapocrid

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you around again Kill.

Hey, Runiea! Great to see you again!

Alruniea wrote:It's practically dead, sadly.

Sorry to hear that. GR seemed like a very nice region.

Alruniea, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Hapocrid wrote:What is the most popular political ideology here?

In RL I am a Center Conservative.

As for my nation? I have no clue. I honestly am not sure how to classify it. We are complicated.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Hapocrid

I have seen so many people seriously suggesting that Ireland should leave the EU and/or re-join the UK just to solve the border issue.

Some people on this island are actually retarded.

Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Spanelsko

Tserra wrote:In RL I am a Center Conservative.

As for my nation? I have no clue. I honestly am not sure how to classify it. We are complicated.

Cool, I'm center Conservative as well but I sometimes think like a true centrist

Lavan Tiri

That's it now...Radio Zimbabwe and other state organs is playing a speech from the military leader Constantine Chewenga...I think Robert Mugabe is out of time.

Now the question is...is he still alive?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Percyton, Hapocrid

State TV is going to broadcast soon...the radio speech by the general claimed that they were "removing poisonous elements from those around the president" and are "safeguarding the protection of veterans".

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Hello all,

I just logged in to witness what seems to be among an overwhelming wave of posts against myself by the President of Libertatem, [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation] and his trusty companion, [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation].

Before I even dignify their brash actions and statements with a response, I feel compelled to graciously thank all of those who stood up for me, and quite honestly stood up for simple justice and logic; [nation=short]Tserra[/nation], [nation=short]Jaslandia[/nation], [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation], [nation=short]Unfallious[/nation], [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation], [nation=short]Penguania and Antarctica[/nation], and others I know that I am missing.

It is heartwarming to see unity among our government and citizenry alike at a time in which our ideals and what we stand for are at stake.

When I joined the CoFN, I had previously been accused of two crimes in Libertatem, both of which I will elaborate upon for the sole purpose of clarity.

the first of which was warning the Central Pacific Empire of the fact that Libertatem threatened to invade their region if they did not merge with Libertatem. I sent them photographic proof that the Libertatem military had this intent, and they cut off ties with Libertatem. I was then attacked by leaders in Libertatem for both spreading military secrets and ruining a merger opportunity, but I do not regret my decision. The Central Pacific Empire was so pleased with my actions I was given an award and commendation in their region as well as temporarily served on their government. I believe I did what was just, but again, that is up to your own interpretation.

The second crime I was accused of, more recently earning me the glorious title of "terrorist" was creating puppets to set the elections of Libertatem; something I was accused of while a citizen of the CoFN. I was to emphasize the fact that although I do believe this election was rigged by someone in my former party; I played no role in it and Libertatem has no proof indicating otherwise. This accusation is solely a guess and nothing more.

For the duration of all accusations in Libertatem, aforementioned or not, [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation], your previous Chancellor and a now trusted individual in this community, was present in Libertatem and witnessed these things as they truly occurred, he can stand to advocate the truth.

Libertatem has become in itself a terroristic regime, with among the lowest population they have ever had and highest frequency of military operations, they are not an alliance worth keeping; especially considering their recent behavior.

When I joined the CoFN, a disgraced and abused former president from Libertatem, [nation=short]Oelesa[/nation] told me that I was entering a new family which would forgive past crimes and would welcome me with open arms, this region has proven to be that and more; you are truly my family.

Since my arrival I have hoped to pay back the debt I know I owe to this region through serving two terms as Vice Chancellor in which I dramatically increased the population and re-introduced the mentorship program; I was elected Chancellor recently with a promise to give back even more and if you'll have me, I would like to keep that promise.

Yours in truth,

Hyder

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

That's it. The military is broadcasting from the ZBC...Zimbabwe is now in a state of official coup.

Alruniea, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Percyton wrote:Hey, Runiea! Great to see you again!

Nice to see you too Percy. How are you?

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Killdash wrote:That's it. The military is broadcasting from the ZBC...Zimbabwe is now in a state of official coup.

Oh my! I hope things don't get any worse; the last thing I or Percyton wants is a civil war.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Alruniea wrote:Nice to see you too Percy. How are you?

I'm doing pretty good. I've been busy with work, but I don't mind; I'm just glad to be Really Useful. I'm pulling the Mail Train right now.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Hyderbourg wrote:Hello all,

I just logged in to witness what seems to be among an overwhelming wave of posts against myself by the President of Libertatem, [nation=short]Pevvania[/nation] and his trusty companion, [nation=short]Miencraft[/nation].

Before I even dignify their brash actions and statements with a response, I feel compelled to graciously thank all of those who stood up for me, and quite honestly stood up for simple justice and logic; [nation=short]Tserra[/nation], [nation=short]Jaslandia[/nation], [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation], [nation=short]Unfallious[/nation], [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation], [nation=short]Penguania and Antarctica[/nation], and others I know that I am missing.

It is heartwarming to see unity among our government and citizenry alike at a time in which our ideals and what we stand for are at stake.

When I joined the CoFN, I had previously been accused of two crimes in Libertatem, both of which I will elaborate upon for the sole purpose of clarity.

the first of which was warning the Central Pacific Empire of the fact that Libertatem threatened to invade their region if they did not merge with Libertatem. I sent them photographic proof that the Libertatem military had this intent, and they cut off ties with Libertatem. I was then attacked by leaders in Libertatem for both spreading military secrets and ruining a merger opportunity, but I do not regret my decision. The Central Pacific Empire was so pleased with my actions I was given an award and commendation in their region as well as temporarily served on their government. I believe I did what was just, but again, that is up to your own interpretation.

The second crime I was accused of, more recently earning me the glorious title of "terrorist" was creating puppets to set the elections of Libertatem; something I was accused of while a citizen of the CoFN. I was to emphasize the fact that although I do believe this election was rigged by someone in my former party; I played no role in it and Libertatem has no proof indicating otherwise. This accusation is solely a guess and nothing more.

For the duration of all accusations in Libertatem, aforementioned or not, [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation], your previous Chancellor and a now trusted individual in this community, was present in Libertatem and witnessed these things as they truly occurred, he can stand to advocate the truth.

Libertatem has become in itself a terroristic regime, with among the lowest population they have ever had and highest frequency of military operations, they are not an alliance worth keeping; especially considering their recent behavior.

When I joined the CoFN, a disgraced and abused former president from Libertatem, [nation=short]Oelesa[/nation] told me that I was entering a new family which would forgive past crimes and would welcome me with open arms, this region has proven to be that and more; you are truly my family.

Since my arrival I have hoped to pay back the debt I know I owe to this region through serving two terms as Vice Chancellor in which I dramatically increased the population and re-introduced the mentorship program; I was elected Chancellor recently with a promise to give back even more and if you'll have me, I would like to keep that promise.

Yours in truth,

Hyder

Couldn't snip for some reason... oh well. Anywho...

I am terribly sorry to hear that such acts of injustice have been committed against you in the past. I am glad to have you here in the CoFN, as are the rest of us. You are not just another nation, but one of our brothers/sisters. Oh... where are my manners? Allow me to quickly introduce myself. My name is Aleksander D. Coltsov. I am the Premier of the Equestrian Empire of Russkov Soviet. Please don't let the fact that I am an anthro-equine scare you off, for I am quite the nice stallion.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Hyderbourg, Oelesa, Percyton

Minnesota Dakota wrote:Is there a Comintern here? I would join if so.

There needs to be

Chalanka wrote:I told you voter fraud should be dealt seriously. I knew something bad would happen.

Chalanka, don't believe we've met, hello! But in all seriousness Transparency is as far as I know enshrined in Law here, Hyderbourg ran unopposed in our most recent General Election, there quite literally could not have been less fraud involved.

Hapocrid wrote:Ha, you're against it but you have done it yourself. Please don't be hipocritical.

Hallo! I take it you and Chalanka are from a similar region?

Russkov Soviet wrote:[I]nickers What's all this now regarding a nation terrorizing a region, and said nation (our President no less) being a threat? I haven't even met them or their leader. I know I'm a anthro-equine, but I'm friendly ffs. [I]snorts

Chancellor

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Percyton, Hapocrid

Killdash wrote:That's it. The military is broadcasting from the ZBC...Zimbabwe is now in a state of official coup.

Oh dear. While I didn't like Mugabe at all, this coup has me worried. There's no way to tell if a military-run post-Mugabe Zimbabwe will be any better than a Mugabe Zimbabwe, and it may even be worse. That's assuming the military is both capable and willing to maintain power; if not, who knows what could happen?

Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:There needs to be

Chalanka, don't believe we've met, hello! But in all seriousness Transparency is as far as I know enshrined in Law here, Hyderbourg ran unopposed in our most recent General Election, there quite literally could not have been less fraud involved.

Hallo! I take it you and Chalanka are from a similar region?

Chancellor

I'm in many regions currently, including The League of Conservative Nations which he was in as well. He ran for Speaker of the Senate and was caught using voter fraud. I was just calling him out since he was being a hypocrite.

Lavan Tiri

Hapocrid wrote:I'm in many regions currently, including The League of Conservative Nations which he was in as well. He ran for Speaker of the Senate and was caught using voter fraud. I was just calling him out since he was being a hipocrit.

A Hapocridic Hypocrite :P

Lavan Tiri, Hapocrid

Andromitus wrote:A Hapocridic Hypocrite :P

👏👏👏 well played

Lavan Tiri

Hapocrid wrote:What is the most popular political ideology here?

[I]V I S T O N I A N I S M[/I]

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Hapocrid

I'm thinking about reducing my claim to just California. After looking at IRL GDPs, Pop., etc., literally every other IRL state in my nation is tiny in comparison.

#CalifornianRepublic

Lavan Tiri, Percyton

A wise man once said "I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds like fruity whining to me!"

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

20 united republics

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233369021632872448/380203417534070800/California_Vista_Map.png?width=531&height=597

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton

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