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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations

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Tecmonaenov wrote:Earlier in the day in what time zone?

Shat -_- didn't think of other time zones. PENG what timezone are you in!

Percyton wrote:Good news, everyone! Diesel 10 is letting us out now! He kept his promise!

That's great! Glad to hear it Diesel 10 really is giving up power after all this.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Diesel 10 The Class 42

Kalaron wrote:You can get acquainted with other people, get involved with an RP, or just hang out, mostly.

Well I will start RP as soon as possible :)

Andromitus wrote:Help me kill Magnatronia, nah lol :P

So, what kind of nation do you want to be RP-wise? We have several active right now, such as my personal Viper-Terrorist RP, the Confederacy General, and the future Bear and Eagle RP's; all of which take place on our offsite forum: http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/index/

You can also just chill with us here on the RMB or on our Discord server; and if you have any questions as to how things work around here, contact myself or Peng for mentorship :P

How does it work? Is there like a map and a world or many different other things?

Well, I've done my part. I'll let everyone catch up, and then me and Philip will meet with senior government officials to discuss the official transition to King Percy and constitutional monarchy. After that, they can arrest me if they wish, but I have no regrets about my actions the past couple of days.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

"Citizens are grown in vats."

"Magnatronia was reclassified from a Compulsory Consumerist State to a Corporate Police State."

"Magnatronia's Civil Rights fell from Some to Few."

exactly what i was looking for

Merlinton, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Andromitus

The Vidnoye wrote:Well I will start RP as soon as possible :)

How does it work? Is there like a map and a world or many different other things?

Okay so, first things first, your gonna want a map claim, but to get that you have to be a citizen. I see that your a WA member, so all you have to do is fill out the citizenship application:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=773389

Then find an empty map claim and take it for yourself:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=686028

FINALLY, we RP here:

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/index/ and once there your basically set and can do whatever you want :P accept for stupid stuff like meta gameplay, godmodding n the like. And try not to be overly toxic on the RMB and Discord, we've had several characters who just waltz in and harass members of the region, like Kalaron, and cause a hole heap of problems.

Tecmonaenov wrote:I've noticed sometimes you mention that you are posting this late... when is the scheduled time?

Around 1 to 3pm CEST.

Percyton wrote:Good news, everyone! Diesel 10 is letting us out now! He kept his promise!

Hooray! Good to hear that.

Diesel 10 The Class 42 wrote:Well, I've done my part. I'll let everyone catch up, and then me and Philip will meet with senior government officials to discuss the official transition to King Percy and constitutional monarchy. After that, they can arrest me if they wish, but I have no regrets about my actions the past couple of days.

Everything is fine. You kept your promise. :)

Jaslandia, Percyton, Diesel 10 The Class 42

D@mn pirates, trying to smuggle things through Andromitus!

Posted boyo's

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10110176/9/#new

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Okay so, first things first, your gonna want a map claim, but to get that you have to be a citizen. I see that your a WA member, so all you have to do is fill out the citizenship application:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=773389

Then find an empty map claim and take it for yourself:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=686028

FINALLY, we RP here:

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/index/ and once there your basically set and can do whatever you want :P accept for stupid stuff like meta gameplay, godmodding n the like. And try not to be overly toxic on the RMB and Discord, we've had several characters who just waltz in and harass members of the region, like Kalaron, and cause a hole heap of problems.

Thank you!

Ive been granted citizenship just now and Ive applied for position 11 on the map. A new Hungarian Empire in Europe!

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote:Thank you!

Ive been granted citizenship just now and Ive applied for position 11 on the map. A new Hungarian Empire in Europe!

Alright, will do.

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Donald: We're home! Back oan Sodor at last.

Dougas: An' it looks like Diesel 10 stepped down, too. Glad it worked out.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:Thank you!

Ive been granted citizenship just now and Ive applied for position 11 on the map. A new Hungarian Empire in Europe!

Glad you're making a way here

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

The Vidnoye wrote:Thank you!

Ive been granted citizenship just now and Ive applied for position 11 on the map. A new Hungarian Empire in Europe!

Thats Great! So are you going to be mimicking your play-style after your in game stats (to a general degree that is) or are you going to play a bit differently? I'm only asking because its hard to get NS to accurately show your ideal nation-stats

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Thats Great! So are you going to be mimicking your play-style after your in game stats (to a general degree that is) or are you going to play a bit differently? I'm only asking because its hard to get NS to accurately show your ideal nation-stats

Uhm, probably. What is the time era?

Penguania And Antarctica

So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

That's not too bad an idea

Unfallious wrote:So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

I know im new but Ive always been a fan of rmb rp.

The Vidnoye wrote:I know im new but Ive always been a fan of rmb rp.

I was reminded of the RA and the fluid kind of RP we had there due to it being on the RMB. I think it'd be neat.

Unfallious wrote:I was reminded of the RA and the fluid kind of RP we had there due to it being on the RMB. I think it'd be neat.

Yea its nice because its so accessable.

Unfallious wrote:So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

I like that idea. I know a lot of people enjoy RMB RPs, and it would be easier if we separated casual chat and RMB RPs.

thanks for nuek

[I]Announcement Regarding Regional Communication [/I]

The President shall punish all individuals who are caught acting in any majorly malicious manner on the RMB. Civility is an absolute must, and trolling/bullying/harassment shall not be tolerated.

Anyone wishing to report such violations of conduct should telegram the President with direct evidence as soon as possible. Proper legal action will follow, should the evidence be sufficient.

Oelesa

Vista Major wrote:[I]Announcement Regarding Regional Communication [/I]

The President shall punish all individuals who are caught acting in any majorly malicious manner on the RMB. Civility is an absolute must, and trolling/bullying/harassment shall not be tolerated.

Anyone wishing to report such violations of conduct should telegram the President with direct evidence as soon as possible. Proper legal action will follow, should the evidence be sufficient.

>The President shall punish all individuals

You mean the judiciary right?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:>The President shall punish all individuals

You mean the judiciary right?

I intend to send them to court.

Kalaron

Vista Major wrote:[I]Announcement Regarding Regional Communication [/I]

The President shall punish all individuals who are caught acting in any majorly malicious manner on the RMB. Civility is an absolute must, and trolling/bullying/harassment shall not be tolerated.

Anyone wishing to report such violations of conduct should telegram the President with direct evidence as soon as possible. Proper legal action will follow, should the evidence be sufficient.

So long as you follow laws.

Let's break nothing, right?

Vista Major wrote:[I]Announcement Regarding Regional Communication [/I]

The President shall punish all individuals who are caught acting in any majorly malicious manner on the RMB. Civility is an absolute must, and trolling/bullying/harassment shall not be tolerated.

Anyone wishing to report such violations of conduct should telegram the President with direct evidence as soon as possible. Proper legal action will follow, should the evidence be sufficient.

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Kalaron wrote:So long as you follow laws.

Let's break nothing, right?

Such worry you seem to have

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Such worry you seem to have

Just want for everyone and everything to follow the law.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Just want for everyone and everything to follow the law.

Well, that's Lawful Good for ya

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

I like this idea. Would this be completely different from our normal nations, or would it be along the lines of the COFN?

Vista Major wrote:Well, that's Lawful Good for ya

Just try and not slip to Lawful Evil, please- we don't need another one...

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

I just spent way too long at the book store to just get one book. I feel so indecisive when I'm trying to find something to buy but there's so much to buy.

Aghrabia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Sulania wrote:I just spent way too long at the book store to just get one book. I feel so indecisive when I'm trying to find something to buy but there's so much to buy.

I often get this feeling too.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Well, that's Lawful Good for ya

Better to be lawful good than chaotic evil.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Aghrabia wrote:I like this idea. Would this be completely different from our normal nations, or would it be along the lines of the COFN?

Just try and not slip to Lawful Evil, please- we don't need another one...

It would reflect the CoFN map and nations.

I'll think about setting something up sometime with guidelines. I'll setup a shared nation as founder for the co-ops.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:It would reflect the CoFN map and nations.

I'll think about setting something up sometime with guidelines. I'll setup a shared nation as founder for the co-ops.

Alright then, looking forward to it.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Yay, the first missed day...

[B]REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY

Day 33:[/B] The Clash - "Spanish Bombs" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qcy0-7ngw)

In honour of the end of the Spanish Civil War

Thank you for reading, papa bless

[B]REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY

Day 34:[/B] Stereophonics - "Dakota" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzBJQnD7TRM)

Thank you for reading, papa bless

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Kalaron wrote:

Better to be lawful good than chaotic evil.

Amen

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Just want for everyone and everything to follow the law.

Sometimes that's easier said than done

Unfallious wrote:So I've been thinking

What do people think about a region dedicated to RMB RP and using puppets to do IC-only RP?

RMB RP is quite fun

I love that idea, we could move the CG-RP to there and make it move more quickly

Vista Major

BREAKING: Kumania's top news outlets have projected that the Kumanian people have approved of Kumania's entry into the Union of Socialist Cooperative States, thus completing Kumania's entry into the USCS.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:BREAKING: Kumania's top news outlets have projected that the Kumanian people have approved of Kumania's entry into the Union of Socialist Cooperative States, thus completing Kumania's entry into the USCS.

The Andreallic Outermost College congratulates the nation of Kumania for its entry into the USCS; May you find peace and prosperity with your decision and lifestyle!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:BREAKING: Kumania's top news outlets have projected that the Kumanian people have approved of Kumania's entry into the Union of Socialist Cooperative States, thus completing Kumania's entry into the USCS.
The Federal Democratic Commonwealth formally congratulates Kumania's historic achievement, and wishes good tidings in the future.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Two new dispatches have been completed today:

International Organizations

[I]A pubic record of all recognized alliances in the COFN[/I]

Roleplay Dispatch

[I]A directory to all active and public roleplays[/I]

[I]Check out for more dispatches to be completed this month![/I]

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Two 'Unions of Socialist Cooperative States'? That's gonna be confusing.

Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Two 'Unions of Socialist Cooperative States'? That's gonna be confusing.

I agree with that, Vis you might wanna tweak that name ever so slightly?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus is finally ready, and happy, to announce that all post-civil war interim systems are officially offline. As of now the new Digital Direct Democratic network, known as Harmony, is officially active!

Here we are, yesterday we walked and tomorrow we will run; But in this moment, let us revel and enjoy in the complexity and beauty of our creations

~Wayfinder Torrus

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Two 'Unions of Socialist Cooperative States'? That's gonna be confusing.

Andromitus wrote:I agree with that, Vis you might wanna tweak that name ever so slightly?

I remember when Vista's USCS used to be called the North Naboo Pact. Dunno what was wrong with that old name and why he'd wanna change it to something already taken smh.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Kalaron wrote:Better to be lawful good than chaotic evil.

Better to be chaotic neutral than anything else amirite boys

Aghrabia

Hello!

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Surong wrote:Hello!

Hello! How are you?

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Andromitus is finally ready, and happy, to announce that all post-civil war interim systems are officially offline. As of now the new Digital Direct Democratic network, known as Harmony, is officially active!

Here we are, yesterday we walked and tomorrow we will run; But in this moment, let us revel and enjoy in the complexity and beauty of our creations

~Wayfinder Torrus

That kinda sounds like a cool movie. Add a hot dude, a conspiracy and boom. Hollywood.

Aghrabia, Andromitus

I honestly can't stand the alt-right, the fanatical left wing, and those who don't even care about politics. The first is toxic, the second is cringe-worthy and naive, and the third is just plain stupid. Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull? And before you people accuse me of bring a hypocrite (cause I've been pretty fanatical myself in the past), I know I'm not perfect when it comes to that. But that's besides the point. It just seems now that we can't get anything done because all the sane, reasonable people are being drowned out by neo-fascists, communists, and the like.

Aghrabia, Oelesa

Magnatronia wrote:I honestly can't stand the alt-right, the fanatical left wing, and those who don't even care about politics. The first is toxic, the second is cringe-worthy and naive, and the third is just plain stupid. Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull? And before you people accuse me of bring a hypocrite (cause I've been pretty fanatical myself in the past), I know I'm not perfect when it comes to that. But that's besides the point. It just seems now that we can't get anything done because all the sane, reasonable people are being drowned out by neo-fascists, communists, and the like.

I saw something like this a lot. America was born by compromise and working together. Now we have the Speaker of the House declaring he doesn't want to work with Democrats on healthcare.

Oelesa wrote:I saw something like this a lot. America was born by compromise and working together. Now we have the Speaker of the House declaring he doesn't want to work with Democrats on healthcare.

Don't forget hardships, rebellion, and bloodshed.

Oelesa

Magnatronia wrote:Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull?

Money. Its too profitable to be an ideologue.

Magnatronia wrote:I honestly can't stand the alt-right, the fanatical left wing, and those who don't even care about politics. The first is toxic, the second is cringe-worthy and naive, and the third is just plain stupid. Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull?

Theoideological takeover of the right, a provoked left wing than retaliate, each side being flung off in polar directions. Its pathetic and idiotic, and only benefits a small margin of people. This in turn lead to a larger basis of those that just don't care, and, to be fair for some of them, their party did sort of abandon them. But its their duty, their job actually, to reel them back in to sanity.

The two parties aren't arguing over prospects and ideas anymore; their arguing because the other side has to lose!

Outer Oz, Sulania

Andromitus wrote:Theoideological takeover of the right, a provoked left wing than retaliate, each side being flung off in polar directions. Its pathetic and idiotic, and only benefits a small margin of people. This in turn lead to a larger basis of those that just don't care, and, to be fair for some of them, their party did sort of abandon them. But its their duty, their job actually, to reel them back in to sanity.

The two parties aren't arguing over prospects and ideas anymore; their arguing because the other side has to lose!

"I blame the media-blamers."

- Dale Gribble

Andromitus wrote:The two parties aren't arguing over prospects and ideas anymore; their arguing because the other side has to lose!

More like because most of the people in the two parties have a superiority complex.

Magnatronia wrote:I honestly can't stand the alt-right, the fanatical left wing, and those who don't even care about politics. The first is toxic, the second is cringe-worthy and naive, and the third is just plain stupid. Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull? And before you people accuse me of bring a hypocrite (cause I've been pretty fanatical myself in the past), I know I'm not perfect when it comes to that. But that's besides the point. It just seems now that we can't get anything done because all the sane, reasonable people are being drowned out by neo-fascists, communists, and the like.

Ideology is the name of the game now. If you don't support the crazy right wing policies of you government, you're a country-hating, stupid, Marxist-Leninist, Communist baby-eater.

And if you dare insult the adherents of these policies and their voters, they quickly become the biggest butthurt snowflakes of them all despite accusing everyone else of being snowflakes.

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10110176/9/#new ~ Updated my post so it makes sense y'all

Map update: Greece has reopened, and France and Anatolia will become open unless Sinovet or Faragon show me they're still active.

Oelesa

So where can I start general RP posts about my nation?

Andromitus

The Vidnoye wrote:So where can I start general RP posts about my nation?

I think the best way to start is to begin posting a few posts on the Confederacy General RP, essentially read up on what happened and begin working with that. We have a couple of problems going on, Viper Terrorists here in the Heartland; Pirates in Al-Qarn; and continued tomfoolery between the ITF and the USCS (#1).

You can also make small RMB posts such as the one myself and Kumania posted. Just quick snippets essentially of major occurances within your nation. You can also help me get the Confederacy Newspaper back up, we have site for it but it hasn't been updated in FOREVER

The Vidnoye

Hello people. I hope you all had/have/will have a wonderful day.

[spoiler=Today is April 3 are:]

Today is April 3 are:

- Children's Day (Taiwan)

- Don't Go to Work Unless it's Fun Day

- Find a Rainbow Day

- Hospital Admitting Clerks Day

- National Chocolate Mousse Day (United States)

- National Find a Rainbow Day (United States)

- National Tweed Day (United States)

- Pony Express Day

- Tater Day (Benton, Kentucky, United States)

- Weed Out Hate, Sow The Seeds of Greatness Day

- World Party Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 503 BC – According to the Fasti Triumphales, Roman consul Publius Postumius Tubertus celebrated an ovation for a military victory over the Sabines.

- 686 – Maya king Yuknoom Yich'aak K'ahk' assumes the crown of Calakmul.

- 801 – King Louis the Pious captures Barcelona from the Moors after a siege of several months.

- 1043 – Edward the Confessor is crowned King of England.

- 1077 – The first Parliament of Friuli is created.

- 1559 – The Peace of Cateau-Cambrésis treaty is signed, ending the Italian Wars.

- 1834 – The generals in the Greek War of Independence stand trial for treason.

- 1860 – The first successful United States Pony Express run from St. Joseph, Missouri, to Sacramento, California, begins.

- 1865 – American Civil War: Union forces capture Richmond, Virginia, the capital of the Confederate States of America.

- 1882 – American Old West: Robert Ford kills Jesse James.

- 1885 – Gottlieb Daimler is granted a German patent for his engine design.

- 1888 – The first of eleven unsolved brutal murders of women committed in or near the impoverished Whitechapel district in the East End of London, occurs.

- 1895 – The trial in the libel case brought by Oscar Wilde begins, eventually resulting in his imprisonment on charges of homosexuality.

- 1922 – Joseph Stalin becomes the first General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

- 1933 – First flight over Mount Everest, a British expedition, led by the Marquis of Clydesdale, and funded by Lucy, Lady Houston.

- 1936 – Bruno Richard Hauptmann is executed for the kidnapping and death of Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr., the baby son of pilot Charles Lindbergh.

- 1942 – World War II: Japanese forces begin an assault on the United States and Filipino troops on the Bataan Peninsula.

- 1946 – Japanese Lt. General Masaharu Homma is executed in the Philippines for leading the Bataan Death March.

- 1948 – United States President Harry S. Truman signs the Marshall Plan, authorizing $5 billion in aid for 16 countries.

- 1948 – In Jeju Province, South Korea, a civil-war-like period of violence and human rights abuses begins, known as the Jeju uprising.

- 1955 – The American Civil Liberties Union announces it will defend Allen Ginsberg's book Howl against obscenity charges.

- 1956 – Hudsonville–Standale tornado: The western half of the Lower Peninsula of Michigan is struck by a deadly F5 tornado.

- 1968 – Martin Luther King Jr. delivers his "I've Been to the Mountaintop" speech.

- 1969 – Vietnam War: United States Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird announces that the United States will start to "Vietnamize" the war effort.

- 1973 – Martin Cooper of Motorola makes the first handheld mobile phone call to Joel S. Engel of Bell Labs.

- 1974 – The 1974 Super Outbreak occurs, the second biggest tornado outbreak in recorded history (after the 2011 Super Outbreak). The death toll is 315, with nearly 5,500 injured.

- 1975 – Bobby Fischer refuses to play in a chess match against Anatoly Karpov, giving Karpov the title of World Champion by default.

- 1981 – The Osborne 1, the first successful portable computer, is unveiled at the West Coast Computer Faire in San Francisco.

- 1991 – United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 is adopted in an attempt to reduce tensions between Iraq and Kuwait.

- 1996 – Suspected "Unabomber" Theodore Kaczynski is captured at his Montana cabin in the United States.

- 1997 – The Thalit massacre begins in Algeria; all but one of the 53 inhabitants of Thalit are killed by guerrillas.

- 2000 – United States v. Microsoft Corp.: Microsoft is ruled to have violated United States antitrust law by keeping "an oppressive thumb" on its competitors.

- 2004 – Islamic terrorists involved in the 2004 Madrid train bombings are trapped by the police in their apartment and kill themselves.

- 2007 – Conventional-Train World Speed Record: A French TGV train on the LGV Est high speed line sets an official new world speed record.

- 2008 – ATA Airlines, once one of the ten largest U.S. passenger airlines and largest charter airline, files for bankruptcy for the second time in five years and ceases all operations.

- 2008 – Texas law enforcement cordons off the FLDS's YFZ Ranch. Eventually 533 women and children will be taken into state custody.

- 2009 – Jiverly Antares Wong opens fire at the American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton, New York, killing thirteen and wounding four before committing suicide.

- 2010 – Apple Inc. released the first generation iPad, a tablet computer.

- 2013 – More than 50 people die in floods resulting from record-breaking rainfall in La Plata and Buenos Aires, Argentina.

- 2016 – The Panama Papers, a leak of legal documents, reveals information on 214,488 offshore companies.

- 2017 – A bomb explodes in the St Petersburg metro system, killing 10 and injuring several more people.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1783 – Washington Irving, American short story writer, essayist, biographer, historian

- 1863 – Henry van de Velde, Belgian painter, architect and interior designer

- 1893 – Hans Riegel, Sr., German entrepreneur, invented the gummy bear and founded HARIBO

- 1922 – Doris Day, American singer and actress

- 1924 – Marlon Brando, American actor and director

- 1929 – Fazlur Khan, Bangladeshi engineer and architect, co-designed the Willis Tower and John Hancock Center

- 1930 – Helmut Kohl, German politician, Chancellor of Germany

- 1934 – Jane Goodall, English primatologist and anthropologist

- 1958 – Alec Baldwin, American actor, comedian, producer and television host

- 1958 – Francesca Woodman, American photographer

- 1961 – Eddie Murphy, American actor and comedian

- 1966 – Michael Mittermeier, German comedian

- 1973 – Dagur Sigurðsson, Icelandic handball player and coach, head coach for the German national handball team

- 1978 – Tommy Haas, German-American tennis player

- 1982 – Cobie Smulders, Canadian actress

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Quote of the day

Friendship often ends in love; but love in friendship - never.

- Charles Caleb Colton -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Andromitus

How cuties how you doing? :D

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The Cross And Davids Star

Latrovia wrote:How cuties how you doing? :D

Doin p well :P

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Doin p well :P

Is the Commonwealth behaving today? :P

Jaslandia

Latrovia wrote:How cuties how you doing? :D

Tired but okay.

Jaslandia, Latrovia

Latrovia wrote:Is the Commonwealth behaving today? :P

No problems here :)

Latrovia

Magnatronia wrote:I honestly can't stand the alt-right, the fanatical left wing, and those who don't even care about politics. The first is toxic, the second is cringe-worthy and naive, and the third is just plain stupid. Why can't we go back to the days of bring moderate and trying to compromise? Why do we have to put up with all this pretentious ideological bull? And before you people accuse me of bring a hypocrite (cause I've been pretty fanatical myself in the past), I know I'm not perfect when it comes to that. But that's besides the point. It just seems now that we can't get anything done because all the sane, reasonable people are being drowned out by neo-fascists, communists, and the like.

You can't get anything done because liberal policies don't work in what is quickly becoming a new age of populism and far-right policies. Reasonable went out the window with the election of a populist president and the legitimisation of the alt-right. At least with the hard left they're out there on the streets opposing trump rallies, punching fascists and opposing the rise of the alt-right instead of complaining about all the 'fanatical' people for no particular reason.

It's not just that, moderate wishy-washy politics have gotten us into this mess. It pleased no one and left us all worse off. Late stage capitalism is crippling parts of the US, the poorest 1% live in abject poverty whilst the richest 1% can afford to burn 100$ bills in the face of homeless people without even thinking about it. Society as we know it is broken, its been broken for a while and it's only getting worse. The rise of populism, the alt-right, the rising organisation of anarchist and far-left circles, these aren't all just random things. It's some of the many responses people are taking to a system that has become broken (and arguably was always going to become like this).

This is the world we live in now, it's not going away, and moderate flipflopping is what got us here.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Unfallious wrote:At least with the hard left they're out there on the streets opposing trump rallies, punching fascists and opposing the rise of the alt-right instead of complaining about all the 'fanatical' people for no particular reason.

I mean, it helps absolutely no-one to hit your opponent since...you know...the person who doesn't really care about politics is probably going to be more partial to the message of the person getting hit? I'm not a republican either, but trying to take the head off some arse on the street is really just going to paint your whole side as being insane and that's going to be a problem if we actually want to try to fix the mess we've gotten in.

To point to the election, a big reason for why people settled on voting Trump could arguably be when Hillary said that all people who agreed with his principles were "Deplorables" since all of the aforementioned people then felt an overwhelming offense towards the insult, and probably wouldn't be swayed by actual debate afterwards.

COIN puts it best, I suppose, when it states that there will always be radicals on both sides with a neutral majority. Hitting people is really just going to cement a few republicans into their ways -well, I guess if you hit them hard enough you might kill 'em... but then there's jail-time and murder on your hands- and probably swing that neutral group further to them.

Magnatronia

Kalaron wrote:I mean, it helps absolutely no-one to hit your opponent since...you know...the person who doesn't really care about politics is probably going to be more partial to the message of the person getting hit? I'm not a republican either, but trying to take the head off some arse on the street is really just going to paint your whole side as being insane and that's going to be a problem if we actually want to try to fix the mess we've gotten in.

To point to the election, a big reason for why people settled on voting Trump could arguably be when Hillary said that all people who agreed with his principles were "Deplorables" since all of the aforementioned people then felt an overwhelming offense towards the insult, and probably wouldn't be swayed by actual debate afterwards.

COIN puts it best, I suppose, when it states that there will always be radicals on both sides with a neutral majority. Hitting people is really just going to cement a few republicans into their ways -well, I guess if you hit them hard enough you might kill 'em... but then there's jail-time and murder on your hands- and probably swing that neutral group further to them.

You're telling me you're gonna be partial to the ideas of Richard Spencer because he got punched by a member of the black bloc? I'd doubt it. Because a white supremacist is a white supremacist. When I saw that they're doing a good job punching fascists I don't mean Republicans or whatever group of people are being referred to as fascists today. I'm talking about actual fascists, actual authoritarians.

True fascists (not just your garden variety Republic/rust-stater trump supporter) cannot be reasoned with. Many of them are racist, sexist and hold ideals of white supremacy. If you give them a forum to speak, they'll spread hateful ideals and attack societal minorities. It's at that time that leftist circles resort to physical resistance because, and I believe this wholeheartedly, people like that should have their speech suppressed violently.

Unfallious wrote:You're telling me you're gonna be partial to the ideas of Richard Spencer because he got punched by a member of the black bloc? I'd doubt it. Because a white supremacist is a white supremacist. When I saw that they're doing a good job punching fascists I don't mean Republicans or whatever group of people are being referred to as fascists today. I'm talking about actual fascists, actual authoritarians.

True fascists (not just your garden variety Republic/rust-stater trump supporter) cannot be reasoned with. Many of them are racist, sexist and hold ideals of white supremacy. If you give them a forum to speak, they'll spread hateful ideals and attack societal minorities. It's at that time that leftist circles resort to physical resistance because, and I believe this wholeheartedly, people like that should have their speech suppressed violently.

It's fine to believe that whole-heartedly, you'll just lose multiple elections as people see members of a political party -unless we're going to say that every supporter at that trump rally is literally Richard Spencer- getting their faces beaten in by a rabid left that, much like how the rabid right wasn't seen as being different, won't be seen as being separate from the main left.

No-platforming has an astoundingly bad track-record unless you already live in a totalitarian society, and as the whole Men's Right's Movement fiasco showed, people only want to listen more when you tell them "No! they have racist and sexist ideas and can't speak!".

Let's say you debate them calmly, how many people will actually listen to the ranting raving racist lunatic who gets [B]verbally[/B] smacked down by the virtuous left -preferably with a humble attitude- compared to the old man getting smacked around by a twenty-something lunatic? First impressions on an issue matter, and if your first view is of one side being psychopaths and trying to literally harm people, you probably won't want to vote for them regardless.

Legitimacy involves not needing to beat your opponents physically, and while I hate pull from the COIN handbook twice in a day, it doesn't come from mob-justice.

Kalaron wrote:It's fine to believe that whole-heartedly, you'll just lose multiple elections as people see members of a political party -unless we're going to say that every supporter at that trump rally is literally Richard Spencer- getting their faces beaten in by a rabid left that, much like how the rabid right wasn't seen as being different, won't be seen as being separate from the main left.

No-platforming has an astoundingly bad track-record unless you already live in a totalitarian society, and as the whole Men's Right's Movement fiasco showed, people only want to listen more when you tell them "No! they have racist and sexist ideas and can't speak!".

Let's say you debate them calmly, how many people will actually listen to the ranting raving racist lunatic who gets [B]verbally[/B] smacked down by the virtuous left -preferably with a humble attitude- compared to the old man getting smacked around by a twenty-something lunatic? First impressions on an issue matter, and if your first view is of one side being psychopaths and trying to literally harm people, you probably won't want to vote for them regardless.

Legitimacy involves not needing to beat your opponents physically, and while I hate pull from the COIN handbook twice in a day, it doesn't come from mob-justice.

It's not done under the intentions of gaining electoral victory. The black bloc operates to counter right-wing rallies, it operates to promote far-left politics. These politics are, by their nature, meant to work outside of the established system because their aim is to restructure that system. Of course, if you're planning to win an election obviously you shouldn't go around beating the opposition party, but when you're going up against another group who is also not working to gain an electoral system or operate under the current political system unless to subvert it (see: fascists) then you're going to have to use differing tactics. Debate doesn't work when the sides of the spectrum are so diametrically opposed that they have no common ground to grow from.

The problem here is assuming that the US, or any capitalist power really, operates a political system that is not inherently favourable to those in support of the status quo (capitalism). Once you realise that no, if you want to achieve a better society you can't go about it through winning an election or partaking within the current system of governance at all, you will begin to understand why I believe it's ok to resort to physical altercation. It's because with these people you cannot beat them at the ballot box and if you let them roam unchecked they can and will pose a serious risk to society through their hate speech and hate crime.

Unfallious wrote:It's not done under the intentions of gaining electoral victory. The black bloc operates to counter right-wing rallies, it operates to promote far-left politics. These politics are, by their nature, meant to work outside of the established system because their aim is to restructure that system. Of course, if you're planning to win an election obviously you shouldn't go around beating the opposition party, but when you're going up against another group who is also not working to gain an electoral system or operate under the current political system unless to subvert it (see: fascists) then you're going to have to use differing tactics. Debate doesn't work when the sides of the spectrum are so diametrically opposed that they have no common ground to grow from.

The problem here is assuming that the US, or any capitalist power really, operates a political system that is not inherently favourable to those in support of the status quo (capitalism). Once you realise that no, if you want to achieve a better society you can't go about it through winning an election or partaking within the current system of governance at all, you will begin to understand why I believe it's ok to resort to physical altercation. It's because with these people you cannot beat them at the ballot box and if you let them roam unchecked they can and will pose a serious risk to society through their hate speech and hate crime.

I don't think we can agree on this at all.

Your original point specifically mentioned people who go to the Trump Rallies and if we're going to generalize most or all of the people who go there as fascists out to subvert democracy then we've already drunk the kool-aid. From a completely neutral standpoint you may have a point on whether or not it is difficult to change the status quo, however, as many of the reforms during the 1900s showed, it isn't exactly impossible to garner support to change it, despite your assertion. By arguing to act outside the bounds of the political system as a fifth column when -in the last decade- the national system been shown to work, you only push your former supporters away lest the majority turn against them too. That said, I can see a bit of your point, when winning the hearts of people was the first goal, Ghandie and King both just started hitting people to get them to change their minds, right?

Lastly, on the matter of stopping the risk to society...mob justice -again- doesn't work.

A firm law and a well funded, well staffed police force would suit the role of protecting society from such ills much better than attempting to turn people from their beliefs by beating it out of them. Indeed, how many do you think you can stop by beating some white people who went to a rally compared to the racists at home who might...you know...go shoot a black person because "D'em black people want a race war!"

Yay! Politics on the RMB!

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Yukona

Andromitus wrote:Yay! Politics on the RMB!

Hey, least they ain't angry politics.

I think this is the calmest debate in a while, considering the subject matter.

Vista Major, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Hey, least they ain't angry politics.

I think this is the calmest debate in a while, considering the subject matter.

I know! I'm just noticing the walls of text haha; but the calmness is also nice

Andromitus wrote:I know! I'm just noticing the walls of text haha; but the calmness is also nice

Anyhow, I've said my peace.

How are you, Andy?

Kalaron wrote:Hey, least they ain't angry politics.

I think this is the calmest debate in a while, considering the subject matter.

F*ck you, and f*ck your debate! OUTLAW COUNTRY!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, New Jailand

Yukona wrote:F*ck you, and f*ck your debate! OUTLAW COUNTRY!

I agree, we should outlaw Country music.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

The Union of Socialist Cooperative States would like to formally announce and recognise the admission of [nation=short]The_Royal_Republic_of_Kumania[/nation] into the Union!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Well I might not be the smartest guy but I do alot of thinking within myself as to what i actually think. I can understand the left because I used to think the same thing. But I got a well paying job and I now I find the right side more appealing. The people, the thought, and I suppose the problem is that Im just an average guy. I just see the basic choices of political belief and pick the one that suits me best. I dont think a lot pf people are good enough thinkers to think up complex political ideas ya know? If its going bad, we want a change, the more radical the better.

No?

Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:The Union of Socialist Cooperative States would like to formally announce and recognise the admission of [nation=short]The_Royal_Republic_of_Kumania[/nation] into the Union!

Scum

jk i <3 u whattacockins

Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

I've now created a region for RMB RP it's located here The Confederacy General.

I'll get it all pretty looking at some point, but right now feel free to send a puppet over there.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:I've now created a region for RMB RP it's located here The Confederacy General.

I'll get it all pretty looking at some point, but right now feel free to send a puppet over there.

Alternatively if someone wants to see a pretty WFE sometime in the next 3 weeks do let me know and I'll give you officer permissions to prettify it :^)

Vista Major

Unfallious wrote:Alternatively if someone wants to see a pretty WFE sometime in the next 3 weeks do let me know and I'll give you officer permissions to prettify it :^)

*enthusiastically raises hand*

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/4/4a/Hermione-Raising-Hand.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130728053816

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:*enthusiastically raises hand*

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/4/4a/Hermione-Raising-Hand.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130728053816

You might want to send a puppet over there so I can set you as an officer

Unfallious wrote:The Union of Socialist Cooperative States would like to formally announce and recognise the admission of [nation=short]The_Royal_Republic_of_Kumania[/nation] into the Union!

I thought he was in the NNP?

The more you know. And I see what you're doing Unf. I'm watching.

Jaslandia, Magnatronia

Jaslandia wrote:Two 'Unions of Socialist Cooperative States'? That's gonna be confusing.

*facepalm*

My mistake

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:I've now created a region for RMB RP it's located here The Confederacy General.

I'll get it all pretty looking at some point, but right now feel free to send a puppet over there.

You should pin this there, just for people who need help with RPing

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=552378

Baxten wrote:I thought he was in the NNP?

The more you know. And I see what you're doing Unf. I'm watching.

NNP is vaguely leftist and it isn't as comprehensive as the USCS, we allow dual membership.

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Fixed

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=773391

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:Fixed

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=773391

I've added a member list to the USCS document.

Unfallious wrote:I've added a member list to the USCS document.

*back into the fray*

Hey [nation=short]baxten[/nation] your map key is a bit out. I'm 23 on the map and Ald is 24

Political Parties dispatch complete.

Anyone wishing to start a political party should create a dispatch and send it to [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation].

Department Of Confederate Documents wrote:Political Parties dispatch complete.

Anyone wishing to start a political party should create a dispatch and send it to [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation].

Can someone add a list of USCS members? It bothers me that they aren't listed like the others.

Vista Major

Magnatronia wrote:Can someone add a list of USCS members? It bothers me that they aren't listed like the others.

Getting on that

Andromitus

Vista Major wrote:Getting on that

Thanks!

Vista Major

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