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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
I wonder if you're related to Nuremgard's Prime Minister, Katja Krupin.
My last name is Hart in case anyone is interested.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
There is nothing wrong with it. The origin for your name is Breton, you should be proud of your heritage.
Baxten
Last name is Palomo, a modification of "Paloma," or pigeon in Spanish (also, hey Nurem, Tex or Pirate Kingdoms here with a planned autocratic mega-empire)
Nuremgard
Nice.
My full name literally means "crown stag" which is pretty awesome.
I was looking at this nation as you responded. Nice flag. Although I am confused by your motto and pre-title. A sultanate with a senate? Who needs a legislature? The Sultan shall be God's scion on earth. No need for pesky senates.
Jaslandia
It really caps off around what is expected to be possible around 5 years into the future; so things like effective VTOL jets, soldier HUD's, and Fusion power are way past the bounds of acceptability, while technologies such as major use Molten-salt reactors are acceptable, as long as it has realistic limits, such as heavy expense and hard maintenence.
I've recently hit a grey area as I voice my wanting to use Synthetic organics to mass produce artificial meat from lab-grown cells; In this instance, I'm working on making it non-gamebreaking and realistic, but even with anything I add to it, I'm still going to personally wait for everyone to more or less give me the go ahead before making it character canon. (HINT HINT GUYS)
The Sultanate part is only because of that thing with new nations having to choose from the titles list: El-Aaiún is supposed to be "The Eternal Caliphate of El-Aaiún, a weird combination of various empires (British Empire in terms of size, Ottoman Empire in terms of bureaucracy, Roman Empire with the Caliph having the Senate as a political institution serving as both a legislature, advisory council, and check against the Caliph if they decide to take control from the various holdings of the Caliphate, which I plan to explain with a factbook on El-Aaiún)
Nuremgard
Almost forgot, the flag is a modified version of Kazakhstan's, with red instead of blue for the field
Nuremgard, Andromitus
Jonathan Hart ?
Do you have a wife named Jennifer, a dog named Freeway and a butler named Max ? :P
Nuremgard, Andromitus
That is a very nice mix of empires and their structures. Sounds like a great power not to be messed with! I also knew the flag was Kazakhstan's. The red looks good and red was the primary colour of the Ottoman Empire (plus green which is seen as an Islamic colour.)
You know what would be interesting? Since you have a Sultan/Caliphate, I assume the Empire will be Sunni? I have my own Muslim empire which is Shia. Will be cool to see how they'd interact. :)
My name isn't Jonathan! :D
Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Mayyyybe :P
Time to build my dynasty!
But in reality, my family has an old story that says we're related to Georg von Kopps, whom was a Bishopric of Breslau (now named Wrocław) and a nobleman of Prussia. Later became a Cardinal, and was adamant about Germanizing his Polish parishioners.
Nuremgard
I know. But it could have been your second given name. Then you could be a TV star. :D
Nuremgard
Post self-deleted by Jaslandia.
This guy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_von_Kopp
I cant claim any famous or semi-famous ancestors.
Jaslandia
Ye. Bishop and later Cardinal of Breslau, Germany.
Jaslandia
I'd probably be lynched if I walked around Wrocław with the surname von Kopp. He seriously wanted to make his people German.
Nuremgard
Nor can I, as far as I'm aware.
Nuremgard
You'd be fine. Just walk around backwards.
There's an old joke that goes: how did the Nazis conquer Poland? They marched in backwards so the Poles thought they were leaving.
With El-Aaiún, the religious conflicts are, of course, still a source of conflict between the citizens. To try and prevent this, the Caliphate, after a period of expansion, allowed for the creation of autonomous subdivisions (similar to the Romans appealing to the provinces) that can decide on subdivisions. This leads to peculiarities with the Christian and Jewish provinces, which are at odds with the subdivision system (a province can appeal to become autonomous if they can prove an ability to maintain self-sustainability, as well as still swear fealty to the Caliph and do not go against rulings decreed in the Senate and other councils), though for the most part the religious conflicts are at local level, the Caliph and ruling members subscribing to nondenominational Islam.
Nuremgard
Farahan is a Shia-dominated Empire. The Sunni population is a minority and are allowed to practice their brand of Islam but the state keeps an eye on them. I was also planning on democratising the Empire but I think I'll have the Crown reassert itself instead.
I'll admit, the Caliphate is awkward given the extent of democracy in the state: similar to the Rashidun Caliphate, the system intends for local rulers to be voted upon by the people (in the case of a kingdom in the Caliphate, the King or Queen, dependent on the ruler, can be elected directly): in contrast, the Caliph and upper institutions are hereditary offices or, in the case of the lack of a successor, selected by the other parts of the central government, such as the Senate
There should be a resurgence of royalism and royal power within the Empire. The Sultan should embark on a bunch of public works and goods to instill support among the masses for the Crown. Then you can erode those local rulers and decrease democratic power.
While that is appealing, the Caliph would be seen as a dictator rather than a benevolent autocrat: the definition of it being that recognition of power exists with the local rulers in fealty to the Caliph and appeal to his word in exchange for the Caliph not ruling everything at the microcosm - the Caliph, while technically owner of all lands, is convinced by the Senate (being composed of the local rulers advisers and chosen representatives) to rent the land out)
Jaslandia
Politics is always complicated. Sounds like the Sultan needs to walk a fine line to keep a lot of different people happy.
Jaslandia
That reminds me of my Imperial age; An empire headed by the Imperator, walking a fine line of control between six Counts ruling over their 6 respective provinces. Only issue is that each of the provinces have separate militaries, economies, and in 2 instances, entirely different cultures than the rest of the Empire, this political system is the entire reason for our invasion of IC Colombia (OOC South America)
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
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A Margoe submarine
Andromitus
This is why empires always fall. People eventually get sick of being ruled by foreigners.
Jaslandia
So I take it you're going to be reletively active in our RP's, if so, how do you plan to play? I.e, government type and location
Oh baby, our falls 'gon be bicontinental ;)
Nuremgard
Goodnight.
Jaslandia
Goodnight, Peng. Sweet dreams.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Night Peng <3
Penguania And Antarctica
Bulgaria looks tempting, damn this map is fuzzy.
Actually, I will be California. Map Space 94
Andromitus
Do you have an idea as to which economic system you want yet?
Exactly what the Caliphate must deal with: the Russian province, divided between the Duchy of Moscow and the United Russian Republic (all sorts of structures from duchies, kingdoms, and republics are part of the Caliphate), is one of the most combative parts in the empire and the main source of military expenditure by the Caliph, usually relying on the Ukrainian Kingdom to send soldiers to prevent conflicts in Russia from extending to the Heartland (the area where the Caliph resides in)
Nuremgard, Andromitus
Oh dāmn, your's is way more hectic than my own, at least my provinces had the same political structure and wanted to stay in the Empire
Why not just expel the troublesome provinces from the Empire?
Yukona
My economic system will be fairly capitalistic.
*Hiss*
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
What that one said ^
Sorry, im fairly liberal but socialist systems dont work.
Magnatronia
Oh, they do. Command systems don't work, is what you mean.
Nuremgard
No, I mean socialist systems dont work.
I mean, as long as you aint friends with the Magnatronians, the rest of the world will generally be friendly to your nation.
Abd why do you say they don't work?
Im getting a lot of bad vibes, and I dont know if I should just not bother getting placed.
what?
Goodnight, Peng!
Penguania And Antarctica
Because the end result is the misery and poverty of all with the government heads being exceptionally wealthy.
I dont know if I should go ahead and get a map spot. I feel like im just going to get dog piled by communists.
Give me some examples of this supposed misery happening.
There are 0 communists in this region and a grand total of 3-4 pure socialists
but yunno you do you
Sorry to interject but it doesn't matter what economic system a country uses. All government heads will always be rich.
Friedensreich
You've got other Cappies in the world, just don't expect socialist nations like myself to be fond at first.
North Korea
Hungary
Ukraine
Albania
Somalia
Romania
Belarus
Venezuela
Cambodia
United Continental States
And you also have a hypercapitalist corporate state on the other side of the continent soooo
Yeah...I dont know. Ill have to think about it first and see if I actually want to do this.
NK- Protectionism and Economic Isolationism is the cause of Juche being a stupid ideology. Not the system itself. Also dictatorship that hordes money for itself.
Hungary, Ukraine, Romania, Albania, Belarus- all were USSR satellites, and USSR wasn't socialist. All dictatorships that hordes money for themselves.
Somalia- Military dictatorship that horded money for itself.
Cambodia- See above ^
Now, lemme show one where Socialism worked like a charm; Norway. Also known as one of the safest, wealthiest, and cleanest countries in the world.
Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania
None of those were socialist economies though, Venezuela was for like, a month, before reverting to a totalitarian economic system like the rest; Totalitarian dictators and just general men seeking control took to power during those nations socialist transitions, and used that point to shift to a control-based economy, with all the wealth at the top
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich
No matter which economic system you have, a dictatorship will keep money for itself and refuse to give it to the people. It has to, in order to survive.
Nuremgard
The Scandinavian model is the one I want Scotland to aspire too if/when it becomes independent.
"Its not real socialism if it completely fails!"
The American state of Florida has a GDP twice that of Norway.
United Continental States
It's not wen the Nordic model. Norway was socialist for years, and it made the country immensely wealthy (also its oil reserves, but I digress).
Nuremgard
Yeah...I dont think its a good idea for me to get a map spot. Not off to a good start.
And "it's not a real example of socialism failing if you call any tinpot dictatorship communist!"
So, because you're not surrounded by liberals and are getting challenged, you're wimping out?
Whatever you have to tell yourself to protect your failed ideology mate.
If my presence here is just going to be one argument after another, I am not having fun, thus defeating the purpose of a game.
Small countries have an advantage. They can use their resources to care for their populations and free services are cheaper to pay for. Well kind of. Countries like Norway have difficult geography and population disparities between areas but you get the idea.
I mean, it's legit what you did though.
Why don't I talk about capitalism being a failure and reminding you of:
Fascist Italy
Nazi Germany
Imperialist Japan
They were all dictatorships, too.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
Andy: so very much on differences
Nurem: Tried to, but they end up forming alliances and try to attack the Caliphate after a period of time
It's politics. That's what it is. Even in RPs you'll deal with having to argue your point on things.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
But...thats completely the point, none of those nations were socialist, and as such, do not tie an accurate example of a socialist failure. You tying a state of a nation, that nation being the one with the highest global economy by the way, is an unfair example. Short answer, is that the state of Florida can depend on national economic safety lines in place, and can rely on the Federal government for certain issues, it also shares its currency with other, more industrial and agrarian states, and doesn't have nearly the same issues as a national economy would have.
Theres a difference between state and national economies, and trying to compare the two in the way you did is just ridiculous.
I don't see why though, you having a disagreement with a small percentage of our playerbase OOC is reason to ignore IC prospects and actions; especially with new nations such as the CSA joining the same continent as you, and also having a capitalist economic type.
Lol he talks as if capitalism is not a failed ideology. Even though it was responsible for one of the worst recessions in global history.
Crush them then.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich
Those are all examples of socialism failing.
And for your nordic states, if single American states outperform them GDP wise then...?
We do, but the question of what to do with the land always comes up and leads to conflict on the Senate floor
Nuremgard
Ehhhh, I dont like it. I would prefer the arguments to stop. I'll leave it alone for now but if another one starts ill just go. Im not interested in being a politician.
How in the Christ were any of those nations socialist? You do realise that the Nazis were not actually socialist right? They only put that in their name to appeal to the working classes. Saying the Nazis were socialist is like saying North Korea is democratic because it calls itself the People's Democratic Republic.
Friedensreich
They aren't socialist though.
Nazis, Fascists, and the imperial Japanese hated socialism, remember?
And they also ran capitalist economies.
Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania
See? Pesky legislatures getting in the way.
Not the legislatures, but independence movements or other groups in conflict: they get banned, but they always pop up in the shadows
Nuremgard
The business class strongly supported Hitler because he promised to resist the rise of communism which was seen as a greater threat.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich
Being leader is hard, eh?
And, being a former Fascist (seriously, I had an unexplainable boner for Mussolini 3 years ago), I thought capitalism was the best system possible. "It made sure the strong prospered and the weak perished", or some other such Darwinist garbage.
Nuremgard
That state thing again? And I'm going to stop responding as I agree with your response to my previous post, I just don't want this getting out of hand and you thinking that we don't like you or something, (I just want to point out I'm not angry, and if you want to stop (which you obviously do) then I wont continue to post, as it will result in just general harassment at that point :D)
Again, Florida can rely on the US Federal Government for economic aid, and doesn't have to worry about national issues like, Oh I don't know, a military. She also shares a currency and federal economy with other states such as Texas and New York, a fuel based and industrial economy. If Florida existsted on its own in the way it does as a state, it'd be in worse shape than Cuba.
My nation is Libertarian, and the others are extremely diverse. We had an anti-socialist alliance and it had a good amount of people. This is 2020; it's not about your neighbors, it's about the entire world
You could also just pick another place if it bothers you.
1) Secure the treasure
2) Earn Key Supporters
3) Dispose of useless Keys
4) Keep Key Supporters
5) ?????
6) Profit
Nuremgard
Im politely refusing to respond to any further debates about politics.
Andromitus
Also, I'm sure the fact that some American states have greater GDPs than Norway is irrelevant to Norwegians because they live in of the wealthiest, best governed and happiest nations on the globe.
California has a bigger GDP than Russia. Doesn't stop Russia from being one of the world's great powers. I doubt Putin is fretting at night about California's GDP.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich
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Andromitus
So very much :p
Nuremgard
Dictator's Handbook, baby.
But so much fun.
El-Aaiun Al-Khalifa
Love that book. It's what made me want to get into politics. Plus, CGP Grey's video about it is amazing. I'm going to be disappoint in my university if they don't play it in one of my Poli-Sci classes.
Nuremgard
And that's your choice, we won't hold it against you. Just don't think we don't like you OoC because of a debate we have. That's just a way of showing how welcome you are here; we're a tight-knit community of friends. We are close together.
Jaslandia, United Continental States
I like this one already
I don't care about GDP if I'm breathing clean air, living in a luxury penthouse, and can go outside and not worry about drivebys.
Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania
I am hoping to go to uni after the summer to study politics and international relations.
Exactly. Dunno why so many people care about GDP or "punching above our weight on the world stage." Who gives a sh!t? I just want my country to keep itself to itself and look after its people.
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