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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Having it in a factbook doesn't mean that it's IC information, though.
In RP -not sure if you know this stuff or not, just gonna break it down like you don't- information should only come from logical conclusions (Using a variety of IC information, I was able to prove PLR bombed a civilian village) or from actual In-Character messages themselves. This means that stuff like my own IIWiki articles about my weapons that I use to sell my RP weapons to people are still OOC, you see?
Russkov Soviet
Not to mention that this have 2 effects, no one can blackmail us with this information if everyone knows about it, and second, all people that dont like us have 2 choices, join the MDA or be slave. Which makes them quite happy. Not to mention that some join MDA so they can die rather then to live under us.
I know but for us it is.
Well...not to be all preachy, but if this is public IC knowledge...Tserra will not be giving you any of those Mark V's. We do not condone that at all. I mean if its worth mentioning, and turning an entire area into a no-go zone, then we are talking about some heavy stuff. So...yeah. As my Empress would say, "In Tserra, that is considered a d*ck move."
Kalaron
DEUS VULT DEUS VULT
Fun fact, due to the AP credits I took and my admission, I may end up with a minor in history by accident.
Auxillium
´´Says someone who have religion based on murder´´
Ah, then I would recommend just declaring all of the information inside the Factbook itself. However, here's hoping that DAWN is truly apathetic then, I don't think many members would really have much fun with you weighing them down in moral debates :P
Incorrect. Death does not equate to murder.
There, fixed it
Just in case i didnt confuse that information with someone else did i?
I have the moral high ground, as an Lord Inquisitor of the Catholic church, the god himself gave me the right to do that. (well to be exact my friend Pope or maybe he didnt really know what i was saying)
Can one really say they died honorably if they weren't murdered?
50/50. We absolutely have a religion based around death. Although its not like your gonna find dudes murdering dudes for worship. Its more like death itself is seen as not bad, and the God of this religion is the void incarnate. So...is nothing. Its complicated.
The point is, it does not equal murder at all.
Yes. Absolutely. If I understand you right.
Peoples Liberation Republic
well i cant argue with that.
I guess it depends on your definition of murder, specifically if you'd consider any form of homicide as murder.
Either way, really hoping we haven't gotten to the part of RP where it's so far off the wall that this stuff is endorsed by a larger alliance than, say, the NNP. (Sorry, Vis :P)
You dont need to worry, i am the only nation that is doing this :p well maybe Axels insurgents are similar to us but thats about it :)
Here we go again.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Magnatronia
https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general/page=display_region_rmb?postid=27171014#p27171014
Hmm? Oh no it's not about quantity of nations per-say, moreover it's about how silly nations are in reaction to you.
Like, most nations should generally either not talk to your gov or do it very quietly. If DAWN/Whatever nations don't react whatsoever about this then it actually just seems very poor of them, you know?
Not necessarily, tbh. Sorry dude but a good example of something is a good example. I don't see the need to argue tho.
Oh this is what you mean.
Actually, Tserra finds there to be a big difference between "Killing", and "Murder". With "Manslaughter" resting somewhere in between.'
Tserran Definition of Killing: The act of justifiably taking the life of another for myriad reasons. In nearly all cases both parties have entered into the exchange willingly. Almost always equates to an honorable death, and is not criminalized whatsoever.
Tserran Definition of Manslaughter: The accidental, or unintentional killing of another. It is usually associated with foolishness, and dishonor. However due to the unintentional nature, is usually granted mercy criminally, and penalized by simple imprisonment.
Tserran Definition of Murder: Murder in all cases the unjustifiable killing of innocents (EG: Those incapable of fighting back), killing via treachery, killing those of a protected class....etc. Basically there is absolutely nothing honorable about a murder. Such a thing as murder is penalized very harshly, it would not be uncommon for all of the murderers assets to be seized, titles to be revoked, stripped of rank, and honor, and for the person to be put to death in some manner.
Kalaron
Deeeeeeeeeus Vuuuuuuuuult! ⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪
Awesome! Hahah
Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko
So I am making a secret society that runs the Imperium, and therefore, the entirety of the Empire of the PLRK. Their name is going to be
XIII filii Dei, which means 13 Sons of God.
Auxillium, Spanelsko
Um...that guy who I was just talking to got deleted or something. That is the absolute weirdest thing when that happens.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Confederal States
Is it above the God emperor himself?
Er... You do know it's virtually impossible to reach the insurgents at this point, right? They'd have to try and sneak their way through Axeldonian airspace during an active war, because the insurgents have been completely surrounded by Axeldonian forces.
The God Emperor is the Head of the XIII Filii Dei. I am writing a factbook explaining everything about the XIII Filii Dei but the XIII Filii Dei leads the entirety of the Imperium, which pertains to the governmental, social, economic, cultural, and military institutions of the Empire of the PLRK. Each individual that is part of the XIII Filii Dei are the Heads of key industries and departments of the PLRK but also military officers and other things.
Axeldonia, have some of my vehicles survived your war? at least for now?
Oh, them! Well, besides from a few blown tires, some scratches and dirty windows, they're fine.
Spanelsko
Bro paint them with stick figures, and kittens. :D
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko
And pentagrams
Well, there is a nation right next to you that is in the same alliance as I, and with that being said, I'm sure it's not 100% impossible to find a break in the lines to get them the weapons, or to fly a civilian plane in and drop weapons. I'm not saying it won't take time either. The post was left rather open ended on that subject to be honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oohFGOmcxuo
https://youtu.be/5285GwUj8dw
If anyone needs human manpower, please let me know. I am fully equinizing my nation. All humans have 3 choices: Become a stallion/mare, leave to another nation, or die. Spanelsko already took a good chunk. Still have around 850,000 documented, with potentially 650,000 undocumented.
Percyton, Spanelsko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwX_zWjaFtE
I can take some off your hands if you will allow it (already have some Russian émigrés serving as a PMC, but I want to include some Russians as part of the European community in al-Qarn)
Russkov Soviet
https://youtu.be/26Rl096vMf0
Sure, but unless the rebels receive heavy weapons immediately, the war will be over in a couple of days.
Boiii, you know what's up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wru2aDvmpT0
All day bro, all day.
https://youtu.be/q3PIj8PkruY
While we are unhappy with your recent treatment of the human human population, we are willing to accept 5,000 to 10,000 humans from your nation.
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_lLV669mLQ
Sweet Christ on a crutch I didn't even see this.
There's...there is literally the equivalent of racial deportation going on in Russkov RN?
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Spanelsko
...
Did those Neo-Nazi's in that fort of yours take over?
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Spanelsko
Of course! How many?
I can take 10,000 people, mostly to bolster the regional governments in Eritrea and Djibouti
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
They ended up attempting a military coup, but it resulted in a bloodbath. Rest assured, the Equestrian Empire is STILL equine and is STILL Soviet. (But in reality, the furry-human tolerance went south after the Neo-Nazi Uprising, so I put the equinization into effect)
Jaslandia
Everything was fine, until the Neo-Nazi's convinced the humans that they were far superior to us equines. Following the blood-filled uprising that the Red Army crushed, we tried to diplomatically work out a solution. Another battle ensued, so we gave them the "Equine, Leave, or Die" choice. Those who chose "Die" aren't going to be killed, just forcefully exiled.
Jaslandia, Spanelsko
I'll get them rounded up, passports and identification resolved, then transported.
Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms
There is so much wrong with your nation my dude.
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Kalaron
Sadly. Times are getting turbulent, but the Golden Age is in sight.
Jaslandia
TMW the Soviet nation deports along racial lines :P
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
Jaslandia can take 100,000 of your human refugees.
Russkov Soviet
So it's really "Equine or Leave" then?
Kalaron
Every word you say digs your ditch deeper
"Oh don't worry, once all those filthy humans leave we'll be in our full Golden Age!d Oh and did you guys see those nazi's I killed; We stand against intolerance!"
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron
I'm watching everyone go to uni and my course doesn't start until October
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Just gonna put this out there:
A recorded message from Field Marshall Heinrich Klugel of the Human Reich Resistance after being interviewed in Stalag 2.
"The conditions we humans have lived in were exquisite, and far better than we had back a few years ago. Our separation was not premeditated, but rather the hope that the recent civil war had weakened our equine comrades to the point where we could gain independence. Unfortunately, instead of just working towards independence, we tried to take over the whole Empire...a very costly mistake. Despite our attempt, the Equestrians showed us mercy and allowed us to live in a "New Berlin". If only some of the Generals learned..but no. Instead of making the best of our future, the same Generals who failed the previous war decided to attack again. This time, the Soviet military was brutal. Since I was the last Field Marshall, they asked me to choose... Surrender and choose your future or be shot. I chose future. I have embraced my new equine form, but hope others will think on their future."
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
It's like he's stabbed himself and just keeps on stabbing himself to stop the bleeding because thats how knives work
As a fellow slavic people, we will be willing to accept as many regufugees as you'll send us. We'll even consider giving them their own self-governing republic.
Jaslandia
Sigh.. I'm done. {Deleting nation, then setting up a new one}
Penguania And Antarctica
Wait are you serious?
Penguania And Antarctica
wat
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Oh yeah, BTW, turning one species to another might be a step too far in terms of technology.
You have the timing of a watch :P
Sadly, yes. I've come to realize that my unique nation is one that cannot be tolerated any further. I have "dug my ditch deeper" as you said. I've seen worse things happen on the RMB & RP chats compared to my "equinization" and so-called "racial profiling and deportation of the human race". I mean.. Mag is practically a cruel, homicidal cyborg nation that's fine, but I decide to kick the humans out after a bloody coup and that's not fine? I shoulda known four years ago that "furry" nations are not ok after a certain point. Besides...If I create a "normal" nation.. I can be whatever is needed, not just Soviet. Part of this is the shellacking of a day I went through, so I may be overreacting....but another part of me feels like I just can't be me anymore. Who knows...I might keep the ESSR sidelined until I can handle things..but until then, I'm starting fresh.
The process takes a few years, but few to none chose this. Won't matter anyhow... Deleting this nation.
WAT
I literally played as a pony nation until about a year or two ago and no one had a problem.
Sooo... I don't know if that may be the problem... I don't know what's going on at this point.
https://orig13.deviantart.net/6334/f/2011/289/b/4/_canon_name___shrug_by_glitterypencils-d4d1sok.png
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
We don't have cyborgs anymore? The gestapo Our RP mods decide what tech is MT and is not MT. Cybernetics isn't MT, at least for the time being.
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Regardless of if Mag is a "Cyborg" nation in his lore (Note: he isn't this in the RP), that doesn't change what you're doing at all...which is deporting a segment of your nation's populace through a racial choice. You yourself just said that few to no people actually choose to change...so yeah.
You can be what you want to be in your lore, and have been allowed to be a furry nation. What's happening right now is that you're literally pulling a mass relocation of a people based on their genetic makeup which is literally 100% horrible IC and comparable to a few historical events that are massively uncomfortable for people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment#USSR
In short, you're fine for being a Soviet nation of horses, dude, it's just that mass relocation's are viewed pretty terribly by anyone with a knowledge of mass relocations. Hell, just re-write your lore or whatever if you don't want to face IC backlash for deporting people because of race.
Penguania And Antarctica
Russkov I get told to Kill myself, Die, and to just Leave on a bi-weekly basis (not jokingly) by a multitude of your friends OOC and they don't stop at me, and continue to harass and degrade my friends. Your bestie PLR originally created the first CoFN CROSS alliance with the express purpose of harassing [nation=short]kalaron[/nation] and we have picture proof of concept.
You said yourself that IC you were going to either A) Force all humans to leave, B) Turn them into Equines, or C) Kill them which is the dictionary definition of what the Nazi Party did to Jews in the early days of the 3rd Reich (It devolved from there as we all saw). So the simple idea that somehow us mocking your IC choice to practically commit genocide against an entire Species, and then you up and leaving is laughable. Oh, and what was that about magnatronia?
I literally mock Mag's nation on a monthly basis OOC (in a similar tone to what I was using up there ^^^); And if you want to go IC literally every one of his citizens wants me dead there is a swear word in my nations culture called "Clanker" which is what we call Magnatronians; Handerr means both Slave, Dog, Feral, and Handlandian; Cräçh is a term for literally insulting anyone who isn't Andreallic! My dude I have an entire military base full of weapons you can use to mock me, I openly admitted to slaughtering almost 85 million people during my Imperial age on racial bias alone for christ's sake!
The Empire Of Handland, Penguania And Antarctica
Oh, and here I stand waiting on baited breath for a Factbook update from [nation=short]Onocarcass[/nation]
Penguania And Antarctica
All I know is a few days ago, everything was fine... and now its #HumanLivesMatter! Never mind the fact that us equines were treating them EQUAL...never mind the fact that the HUMANS wanted to TAKE ADVANTAGE of a NATION SHATTERING CIVIL WAR that left THOUSANDS DEAD AND HOMELESS because some military general wanted more than INDEPENDENCE and wanted to try to GENOCIDICALLY MURDER US FOR A FREAKING EMPIRE...never mind that I wanted to GIVE THEM MERCY, but they STABBED ME IN THE BACK...never mind that I GAVE THEM A CHOICE.. No..no.. I'm racist..I'm coldhearted..I'm cruelHAT'S MY PROBLEM. I TRIED. The "furry" aspect does little for it....
WAIT WAIT WAIT
Before we contend with anything else, let's just address this quote above. He can turn one species into another. Now, y'know, MT-wise, that's not good since that's, like, full genetic rewrite and sh!te.
But let's just address for a moment. He can do that. Does that mean he can also turn people into trains, like from Percyton? Can he turn people into hobbits? Can he turn people into dragons? I wanna be a dragon, someone turn me into a ******* dragon m8.
With this technology, people can visit Penguania as literal penguins.
Penguania And Antarctica
Oh... And I also believe that I said in a lost post.. "THEY AREN'T REALLY KILLED, JUST FORCED TO LEAVE." And besides.. they had A CHOICE.
... Well, I mean, there is only two ways I see this. I'm assuming unless humans were a complete hive mind, not all of them were involved in this general's plans. So unless all humans, independently, decided to just throw behind this general in an egalitarian state, I can't say I'm surprised that it's being called racist since those that remained neutral or even supported you were now being punished.
Secondly, why would they revolt? I mean, if they were equal, they should have full political rights. So, I mean, there was probably humans in the government in some form anyhow. Unless, again, all humans literally sided with this coup. So... I mean... Unless I'm mistaken here....
Jaslandia
Mate, literally everything you just said ties directly into the concept of collective punishment.
---Brownsville case----
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownsville_Affair
Two white people injured, 167 black soldiers dishonorably discharged.
---This case---
A segment of the human population rose up against you, you deport literally every single one of them, or make them turn into a horse with the threat of death (a filled threat or not is a threat) as a third option.
Hey, but I thought we were cool? I mess around with you sometimes, but it's not like I hate you with a passion. I reserve that kind of hate for [I]other[/I] people here.
Dude, don't do that. Literally the only people actually giving you crap about this are the same ones that criticize everyone for not falling in line with their standard of realism or 'good' role playing. Ignore them, and you'll be fine dude. Hell, I was gonna offer to take those deportees off your hand. Millions of new corporate slaves ripe for the picking...
Penguania And Antarctica
The point I was making was that we are cool; That us mocking a literal Do this or Die "choice" impoesed on an entire species could not possibly been taken as if we actually hated him OOC.
Also, us asking for realism isn't bad considering literally all of us "critiquing" him are the ones that are also advocated for the allowance of Chimaera nations into the CoFN MT Storyline
Kalaron
Mag, I'm sorry, but there might be some kinda disconnect here because you seem to not be getting why people are saying "No dude, no".
No one is giving him crap for whatever reason about realism or quality RP, legit everyone is just pointing out that it's a "bad" action because it's literally mass deportation of a racial group in character. I've legit offered him an alternative route that wouldn't -sensibly- make people IC look at him like he's a madman.
Gonna quote myself again to reaffirm this.
I'm just going to say this, because I think a lot of people are thinking it here.
Why the fvck do so many people take RP so seriously in this region? I mean, seriously. We have the RP mods who are literally called the gestapo, RP arguments are toxic all the time, we have people that literally just say "cool" anytime someone even remotely criticizes them. Not only that, but why is everyone taking RP so damn seriously in this region? Why is RP literally the abortion debate in this region, when it's suppose to be, y'know, fun? Why does it always have to be a fight, every single damn time?
Like, I don't get it. I've been RPing for years, and I've never seen such a massive dysfunction. I'm not blaming anyone in particular, but there's obviously a problem somewhere, and it doesn't seem having a fight every single goddamn day is fixing it.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Kalaron
Sigh.... I knew I shouldn't have logged on today. I'll meditate on things for a bit, unless that's uncool as well...
Depending on how I feel at the end, I'll either still be here or I'll leave.
Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko
This sounds incredibly close to the Ponyism of TTA.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
MPs just voted to pass a bill that would allow government ministers to change laws without parliamentary scrutiny. They have effectively neutered Parliament and given unchecked power to the executive. And there are Brexit supporters who are championing this as a triumph of democracy and sovereignty.
This is a legitimately scary time to live in the UK.
Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32488538#p32488538
Finally posted on the CG's Newsfeed
Andromitus
Mate...OOC criticism of IC actions does not equal anyone hating you. Things get heated here sometimes, but that is because we are all a little bad at ending arguments. I mean dude, people are going to criticize you. People are going to criticize me. Everyone gets criticized. Your IC action was uncool in my opinion. In Tserra that is what would be considered a d*ck move, and I will comment to that fact. That is all it is, a comment. That does not mean I hate you. Or that you are uncool. Or that I want you to leave. No one wants you to leave mate. You are actually very well liked.
Jaslandia, Kalaron, Spanelsko
*natural disasters destroying southern half of the country*
*governed by a trigger-happy orange madman with access to nuclear codes*
*nazis marching on the streets*
*general societal and governmental dysfunction*
Oh yeah, I bet the UK's a real scary place right now.
Confederal States
F*ck off, mate. Am I meant to stop worrying about my own country just because another one is having a natural disaster? I didn't hear Americans crying about starving kids in Africa or the Muslims being massacred in Burma before the hurricane hit.
It might seem a tad hypocritical considering the exact last conversation to occur on this RMB, but I think everyone might benefit from a second to calm down. Mag's comment might have struck a sour tone with you buddy but cursing is bad for peace, after all :P
Anyhow, how was your day today, Nur?
Was alright. Got a haircut and barber shave for tomorrow.
Glad to hear it, mate. I always shave my own face :P
I'm trying to improve on a bullet I've been designing for a few months, it's been touch and go with the terms but I think I'm getting places :D
This was the first time I got a barber shave. I have dermatitis so my skin becomes inflamed, especially after I shave. I thought it might not be as bad if a professional did it. My face is still a bit red but it could be much worse.
Good luck on your bullet.
Penguania And Antarctica
Really Russ, you don't have to leave or get a new nation. In fact, I personally like the idea of your nation. We're just IC-ly criticizing your IC actions, which basically amount to ethnic cleansing, or at the very least unjust collective punishment. You're not obligated to change anything; you can still go through with your plan. Just know that the international community IC-ly won't be happy about it.
Penguania And Antarctica
Well, the good news is that I have it set up pretty well in terms of casing.
I have it as a stretched NATO round, as it has an unfortunate tendency to rapidly throw headaches as I increase the speed/range of the platform. It has a very good energy output (3K footpounds of force) though I can improve it further by increasing the bullet weight with different materials.
Basically progress has been slow and painful tonight.
God, I hate beards.
They scratch so much :///
What Jas said.
By the way, Jas, how's Florida?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Not done yet but here is what I have so far about the secret society that rules the Empire of the PLRK:
13 Sons of God
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=peoples_liberation_republic/detail=factbook/id=882843
Heretic
Could be better, but could be worse too. We got hit by Irma hard, although the folks down south around Naples and Miami probably got the worst of. Even so, my area is still without power, which really sucks.
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