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Tserra wrote:Dude....that is the biggest buzzkill I have had all week. I was having so much fun RPing around your actions. Like I have been sitting here waiting like a barely contained kid in a candy store for your reply. I am so soft right now.

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Vista Major, Tserra, Yukona, Percyton

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Tserra, Yukona, Percyton

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Tserra, Yukona, Percyton

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Jaslandia, Tserra, Yukona, Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:Whelp. My 1st post on the RP has been made. Its not great or anything, but I tried darnit.

Speaking of which, I have some news for you. After some initial difficulty, we managed to bring all three engines you sent us to life. Henry is currently taking the electric engine to the Peel Godred Branch Line to work with the other electric engines, while the two diesels will be double-heading a goods train from Tidmouth to Barrow. All three are eager to work, and I think they'll be Really Useful while they're here.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

What the hell? I allow more political freedom and my poor's income decreases by 3,000? F*ck you, NS!

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Solla Ultima

Percyton wrote:Speaking of which, I have some news for you. After some initial difficulty, we managed to bring all three engines you sent us to life. Henry is currently taking the electric engine to the Peel Godred Branch Line to work with the other electric engines, while the two diesels will be double-heading a goods train from Tidmouth to Barrow. All three are eager to work, and I think they'll be Really Useful while they're here.

Wonderful news. I haven't received word on your lads yet, but I'm sure their enjoying themselves.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:What the hell? I allow more political freedom and my poor's income decreases by 3,000? F*ck you, NS!

The other day I allowed more political freedom, and political freedom went down.

The description completely contradicted the results.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

That moment when the Associate Officer of Intelligence idiotically releases in depth detail on the government's domestic surveillance Perland will now pay a very cold nation 5,000,000 Kounds Sulling to take him off our hands.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Solla Ultima

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:That moment when the Associate Officer of Intelligence idiotically releases in depth detail on the government's domestic surveillance Perland will now pay a very cold nation 5,000,000 Kounds Sulling to take him off our hands.

Done.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:What the hell? I allow more political freedom and my poor's income decreases by 3,000? F*ck you, NS!

#PoisonedBerry

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Kounds Sulling

We're switching over to the Sularon now. At least that's what Kal says.

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:We're switching over to the Sularon now. At least that's what Kal says.

*Office of Finance begins to change things*

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Tserra wrote:Done.

Telegram us your government's account number (RP) and we will wire the cash, then send a ship to drop him off, do what you please with him.

I'd like, if it ever becomes possible, to visit every national capital on Earth.

Nuremgard, Vista Major, Andromitus

Russkov Soviet wrote:3,681? I think that was a mistype on my part. I should only have around 30. (22 in dock/ 8 active)

Lemme go fix that

Oh, by the way.

[Spoiler] I don't know if you know about this all, so I'm just gonna lay everything out on the table here and you'll have to forgive me if I seem out of my gourd because I got some four hours of sleep next to the best man in my life, last night and am sick like a dog RN.

Battleships, bar nothing, add no new capabilities to a navy at extraordinary cost and there is legitimately nothing that can be done to counteract this due to the fact that the armaments added to them are the same as those on-board other ships and the larger cannons that typecast a BB are frequently useless and nearly always worse than lower-caliber guided shells.

Their armaments are dated, too. The Iowa Class [16'', 50Cal] guns were only capable of reaching out to about 38 kilometers while the newest RIM-174A has a maximum range of 496 kilometers. This shows that the gun has a range thirteen times shorter than the missile and is also incapable of firing a guided munition unless one is specially made and that kind of project would likely exceed the cost of the missile as well. Such a limitation of the main guns would restrict them to shore bombardment alone, but if the purpose of the ship is solely to bombard the shore than a much cheaper ship could be constructed to serve as a gun platform before being dry-docked until it's next needed. Furthermore, smaller shells equipped with guidance systems would be both cheaper and more efficient due to the fact that you can pin-point each round with the guidance system and can simply pound any compound into dust unless it's so hardened as to fall into Bunker-Buster territory.

Battleships are very expensive but add very little compared to a Destroyer, then, and would be rather useless in any war unless they too were equipped with missiles and at that point they've added nothing new while being even more expensive.

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The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Telegram us your government's account number (RP) and we will wire the cash, then send a ship to drop him off, do what you please with him.

You might want to read this too.

Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland

Watching a show called Salem. It's really good. Witches are awesome.

The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Oh, by the way.

[Spoiler] I don't know if you know about this all, so I'm just gonna lay everything out on the table here and you'll have to forgive me if I seem out of my gourd because I got some four hours of sleep next to the best man in my life, last night and am sick like a dog RN.

Battleships, bar nothing, add no new capabilities to a navy at extraordinary cost and there is legitimately nothing that can be done to counteract this due to the fact that the armaments added to them are the same as those on-board other ships and the larger cannons that typecast a BB are frequently useless and nearly always worse than lower-caliber guided shells.

Their armaments are dated, too. The Iowa Class [16'', 50Cal] guns were only capable of reaching out to about 38 kilometers while the newest RIM-174A has a maximum range of 496 kilometers. This shows that the gun has a range thirteen times shorter than the missile and is also incapable of firing a guided munition unless one is specially made and that kind of project would likely exceed the cost of the missile as well. Such a limitation of the main guns would restrict them to shore bombardment alone, but if the purpose of the ship is solely to bombard the shore than a much cheaper ship could be constructed to serve as a gun platform before being dry-docked until it's next needed. Furthermore, smaller shells equipped with guidance systems would be both cheaper and more efficient due to the fact that you can pin-point each round with the guidance system and can simply pound any compound into dust unless it's so hardened as to fall into Bunker-Buster territory.

Battleships are very expensive but add very little compared to a Destroyer, then, and would be rather useless in any war unless they too were equipped with missiles and at that point they've added nothing new while being even more expensive.

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You might want to read this too.

With modern armaments, and technology, they could be a very useful tool in our navies.

Official release regarding Perland's leaked information:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=856976

Vista Major

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:With modern armaments, and technology, they could be a very useful tool in our navies.

How so?

Again, the gun is completely outdated in everything but shore-bombardment, and as the US navy has shown even then a smaller and more nimble ship that can just use guided shells of the 155mm caliber is preferable to a bulky target who needs to be duel equipped with both guns and missiles to not have a 13th the range of a destroyer in a fight.

Beyond that, what can the BB do that a Destroyer or Cruiser cant do with much more speed? There was a reason the Iowa's were retired after Regan tried to bring them back because "Muh 600 ship navy".

The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:shore-bombardment

Oh and it's only better because it's kinda cheaper than just peppering the area with missiles, but bombs are even better at it and come from a much more useful expense in the form of an Aircraft Carrier.

Kalaron wrote:How so?

Again, the gun is completely outdated in everything but shore-bombardment, and as the US navy has shown even then a smaller and more nimble ship that can just use guided shells of the 155mm caliber is preferable to a bulky target who needs to be duel equipped with both guns and missiles to not have a 13th the range of a destroyer in a fight.

Beyond that, what can the BB do that a Destroyer or Cruiser cant do with much more speed? There was a reason the Iowa's were retired after Regan tried to bring them back because "Muh 600 ship navy".

Essentially, you could lower the size of the BS's guns while replacing them with systems we have now, add in the modern computer systems of destroyers and cruisers, throw in a nuclear engine, and it could be fun. Granted, the US would never have use for them, but for this game it could be in the realm of possibility.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:With modern armaments, and technology, they could be a very useful tool in our navies.

Listen friend. Just last night I was playing Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific. I sunk a King George V class Battleship with three torpedos, with absolutely no risk to myself. Battleships sound really cool, but with missiles, and torpedos, and the whole panoply of modern war, sadly all a Battlehship is, is a big slow target. The only way I see Battleships becoming relevant outside of a Space type category again is if you literally built a battleship around a railgun, and I mean you would still have to solve the heating and power issues.

Trust me, I am in love with the Navy. I actually wish we never would have developed missiles, and carriers and the like, because I want to see all those good ol girls make a comeback.

Kalaron, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Telegram us your government's account number (RP) and we will wire the cash, then send a ship to drop him off, do what you please with him.

Will do, am eating pizza and watching youtube at current. Get back to you in a min or seven.

The United Providences Of Perland

Onocarcass wrote:I'd like, if it ever becomes possible, to visit every national capital on Earth.

Thats a cool ambition, I don't think I'd have a hope in hell of completing a task like that

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Tserra wrote:Listen friend. Just last night I was playing Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific. I sunk a King George V class Battleship with three torpedos, with absolutely no risk to myself. Battleships sound really cool, but with missiles, and torpedos, and the whole panoply of modern war, sadly all a Battlehship is, is a big slow target. The only way I see Battleships becoming relevant outside of a Space type category again is if you literally built a battleship around a railgun, and I mean you would still have to solve the heating and power issues.

Trust me, I am in love with the Navy. I actually wish we never would have developed missiles, and carriers and the like, because I want to see all those good ol girls make a comeback.

Yeah sub's kill battleships, always will sigh. Sub's re they key to a modern navy.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Yeah sub's kill battleships, always will sigh. Sub's re they key to a modern navy.

Are*

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Essentially, you could lower the size of the BS's guns while replacing them with systems we have now, add in the modern computer systems of destroyers and cruisers, throw in a nuclear engine, and it could be fun. Granted, the US would never have use for them, but for this game it could be in the realm of possibility.

So...you want to have minuscule guns on a massive hull (Anything over 155mm is an honest to god waste and requires the development of more guidance hardware)...use computer systems intended to provide guidance and information to missiles...and put a nuclear reactor into said massive hull to try to give it more sustainability?

Perl, you can do what you want with you're country since it isn't literally impossible, but at that point you have something literally worse than a BB or a Destroyer or a Cruiser that will die to either of the latter when spotted or pinged because it has an enormous hull-form and is unlikely to do the job of shore-bombardment any better than the latter two.

The United Providences Of Perland

Vista Major wrote:We're switching over to the Sularon now. At least that's what Kal says.

Maybe we can have a normal name? I guess that's what RP councils are for.

Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland

Baxten wrote:Maybe we can have a normal name? I guess that's what RP councils are for.

REEEE

Jaslandia, Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland, United Continental States

Baxten wrote:Maybe we can have a normal name? I guess that's what RP councils are for.

Why not the... Connar (Confederate Dollar)? Conmark? Comark? Kalamark? Kalar? Sulamark? Sullar?

Tserra wrote:REEEE

I never did like you "States Rights" people's fervor with opposing centralization. Federalism and Unitarism work.

Vista Major wrote:I never did like you "States Rights" people's fervor with opposing centralization. Federalism and Unitarism work.

Lol what? Where did that even come from?

Vista Major, United Continental States

Tserra wrote:Lol what? Where did that even come from?

>mentions rp council, which would centralize canon rp rules and administration

>REEEE

Kalaron wrote:Oh, by the way.

[Spoiler] I don't know if you know about this all, so I'm just gonna lay everything out on the table here and you'll have to forgive me if I seem out of my gourd because I got some four hours of sleep next to the best man in my life, last night and am sick like a dog RN.

Battleships, bar nothing, add no new capabilities to a navy at extraordinary cost and there is legitimately nothing that can be done to counteract this due to the fact that the armaments added to them are the same as those on-board other ships and the larger cannons that typecast a BB are frequently useless and nearly always worse than lower-caliber guided shells.

Their armaments are dated, too. The Iowa Class [16'', 50Cal] guns were only capable of reaching out to about 38 kilometers while the newest RIM-174A has a maximum range of 496 kilometers. This shows that the gun has a range thirteen times shorter than the missile and is also incapable of firing a guided munition unless one is specially made and that kind of project would likely exceed the cost of the missile as well. Such a limitation of the main guns would restrict them to shore bombardment alone, but if the purpose of the ship is solely to bombard the shore than a much cheaper ship could be constructed to serve as a gun platform before being dry-docked until it's next needed. Furthermore, smaller shells equipped with guidance systems would be both cheaper and more efficient due to the fact that you can pin-point each round with the guidance system and can simply pound any compound into dust unless it's so hardened as to fall into Bunker-Buster territory.

Battleships are very expensive but add very little compared to a Destroyer, then, and would be rather useless in any war unless they too were equipped with missiles and at that point they've added nothing new while being even more expensive.

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A very good point comrade. The BB's I have are in service, but will not actually fight in any conflict. They are relegated to patrolling the home waters and for use in reenactments. The citizens petitioned the Armed Forces Bureau and won. (They mostly sit in docks). I have already drafted a bill to either turn them into museums or store them for reenactments only. Voting is still going on. (And no... You are NOT out of your gourd.)

Vista Major wrote:>mentions rp council, which would centralize canon rp rules and administration

>REEEE

I just REEEE'd at Baxten. There was nothing behind it. Would you have preferred I *SCREECHES* instead?

Vista Major

Tserra wrote:I just REEEE'd at Baxten. There was nothing behind it. Would you have preferred I *SCREECHES* instead?

I'd prefer that you, well, I don't know, *PRAY*

Creating a consistent currency between our roleplays would be a literal Godsend.

That would allow us to assign GDPs to certain nations and truly determine how realistic their projections are.

Vista Major, Oelesa

South Hyder wrote:Creating a consistent currency between our roleplays would be a literal Godsend.

That would allow us to assign GDPs to certain nations and truly determine how realistic their projections are.

This is why we should set up a Roleplay Council, so topics like this can be discussed in a forum that is more formal than just placing random ideas on the public RMB

Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, Oelesa

Andromitus wrote:This is why we should set up a Roleplay Council, so topics like this can be discussed in a forum that is more formal than just placing random ideas on the public RMB

dibs on king of the council

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa

Andromitus wrote:This is why we should set up a Roleplay Council, so topics like this can be discussed in a forum that is more formal than just placing random ideas on the public RMB

But honestly, countries making trades and selling each other goods just don't make sense without some kind of conversion chart or standardized currency.

Vista Major, Oelesa

Andromitus wrote:This is why we should set up a Roleplay Council, so topics like this can be discussed in a forum that is more formal than just placing random ideas on the public RMB

>grumbles about how my constitution included a roleplay council but shuts up because don't wanna sound petty

I hereby proclaim myself as the king of burritos

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, United Continental States

South Hyder wrote:Creating a consistent currency between our roleplays would be a literal Godsend.

That would allow us to assign GDPs to certain nations and truly determine how realistic their projections are.

Problem with that, though:

NS stats are literally the worst thing to use ever, and that leaves the RL stats of each nation which is also rather terrible since RL events haven't transpired inside of the RPs. PLR is looking at being massively poor if we use RL stats even though he does have a wealth of natural resources, for example. Barring that, we could either rely on people to set their own GDP -a little too much work- or set it for them -Good luck with factionalism and forcing it on them- and neither of which is really a good idea.

Personally, so long as no one does anything really dumb -and they'll be called out if they do *Cough* Latrovian Autarky *Cough* then it should be chill enough...though maybe a military formula could work in some way.

Economies aren't bad and the idea of including a standardization chart is nice, but I'd wager that we shouldn't place too much weight in something we cant objectively measure like RP nation wealth.

Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:snip

Well, what I envisioned is every nation makes a presentation to the Council that includes their resources, how they plan to get those resources, how they allocate them, market structure, population, as well as proposing what they think their GDP should be.

Then the Council agrees with their GDP (this is what will happen in most cases) or assigns a more realistic GDP.

I know it seems tedious, but might be worth it?

Vista Major

South Hyder wrote:Well, what I envisioned is every nation makes a presentation to the Council that includes their resources, how they plan to get those resources, how they allocate them, market structure, population, as well as proposing what they think their GDP should be.

Then the Council agrees with their GDP (this is what will happen in most cases) or assigns a more realistic GDP.

I know it seems tedious, but might be worth it?

Eerily reminds me of a Congressional hearing

South Hyder wrote:Well, what I envisioned is every nation makes a presentation to the Council that includes their resources, how they plan to get those resources, how they allocate them, market structure, population, as well as proposing what they think their GDP should be.

Then the Council agrees with their GDP (this is what will happen in most cases) or assigns a more realistic GDP.

I know it seems tedious, but might be worth it?

Non. That just allows for the opinions of a select few to have a massive impact on the RP.

We could however base ourselves off of actual nations and then go from there. So powers like PLR won't be locked in Third World status if they work with other powers (which he already does).

That ties in with having a unified timeline, and it seems more and more like we all have rl nation roots but veered off into alternative history at some point or another.

This would require a hard reset of the RP overall, because if, for example, Oel is the successor state to the German Empire, my nation will fiercely hate them for not apologizing for their forefather's utter destruction of Chinese society through the introduction of racially biased stratification of their expanded colony at Shandong.

This would also allow for players to address the issues that their plot of land has irl. Say, for example, that PLR solves the internal factionalism in the DRC by installing a brutal dictatorship, and fixes their economic woes by allying with foreign powers that send aid, develop infrastructure, etc.. PLR will most undoubtedly have some mild if not fervent dislike for Bax if Bax is supposed to be the successor to Belgium.

Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, United Continental States

Onocarcass wrote:I hereby proclaim myself as the king of burritos

Hombre burrite

Oelesa, United Continental States

Friedensreich wrote:Non. That just allows for the opinions of a select few to have a massive impact on the RP.

We could however base ourselves off of actual nations and then go from there. So powers like PLR won't be locked in Third World status if they work with other powers (which he already does).

That ties in with having a unified timeline, and it seems more and more like we all have rl nation roots but veered off into alternative history at some point or another.

This would require a hard reset of the RP overall, because if, for example, Oel is the successor state to the German Empire, my nation will fiercely hate them for not apologizing for their forefather's utter destruction of Chinese society through the introduction of racially biased stratification of their expanded colony at Shandong.

This would also allow for players to address the issues that their plot of land has irl. Say, for example, that PLR solves the internal factionalism in the DRC by installing a brutal dictatorship, and fixes their economic woes by allying with foreign powers that send aid, develop infrastructure, etc.. PLR will most undoubtedly have some mild if not fervent dislike for Bax if Bax is supposed to be the successor to Belgium.

This would be a good time to reinstate that regional history timeline, [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]

Jaslandia, Oelesa

Vista Major wrote:This would be a good time to reinstate that regional history timeline, [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]

Did that make sense at all? I just woke up from a nap so my brain probably moved faster than my thumbs.

Vista Major, Oelesa

Friedensreich wrote:Did that make sense at all? I just woke up from a nap so my brain probably moved faster than my thumbs.

It made a fair bit of sense

Oelesa

Friedensreich wrote:Non. That just allows for the opinions of a select few to have a massive impact on the RP.

We could however base ourselves off of actual nations and then go from there. So powers like PLR won't be locked in Third World status if they work with other powers (which he already does).

That ties in with having a unified timeline, and it seems more and more like we all have rl nation roots but veered off into alternative history at some point or another.

This would require a hard reset of the RP overall, because if, for example, Oel is the successor state to the German Empire, my nation will fiercely hate them for not apologizing for their forefather's utter destruction of Chinese society through the introduction of racially biased stratification of their expanded colony at Shandong.

This would also allow for players to address the issues that their plot of land has irl. Say, for example, that PLR solves the internal factionalism in the DRC by installing a brutal dictatorship, and fixes their economic woes by allying with foreign powers that send aid, develop infrastructure, etc.. PLR will most undoubtedly have some mild if not fervent dislike for Bax if Bax is supposed to be the successor to Belgium.

Interesting idea, although we might have to work out what to do if our NS nation isn't tied to any particular RL nation. For example, Jaslandia is based out of Arabia (although outside of regional RP, Jaslandia also includes much of the Mediterranean and Europe as well), but we hardly have any relationship to Saudi Arabia or any other nation on the Arabian Peninsula RL: Jaslandia is mostly White in terms of race, our culture is a mixture of English and German (with a few others mixed in), and Lutheranism is the dominant religion instead of Islam. Andromitus would be another example: How his nation is structured doesn't resemble any kind of RL nation in this day and age.

Vista Major, Oelesa

Jaslandia wrote:Interesting idea, although we might have to work out what to do if our NS nation isn't tied to any particular RL nation. For example, Jaslandia is based out of Arabia (although outside of regional RP, Jaslandia also includes much of the Mediterranean and Europe as well), but we hardly have any relationship to Saudi Arabia or any other nation on the Arabian Peninsula RL: Jaslandia is mostly White in terms of race, our culture is a mixture of English and German (with a few others mixed in), and Lutheranism is the dominant religion instead of Islam. Andromitus would be another example: How his nation is structured doesn't resemble any kind of RL nation in this day and age.

Just wait for that new map, y'all

Wait, eat, pray, love

Oelesa, Percyton, Solla Ultima, United Continental States

Friedensreich wrote:Non. That just allows for the opinions of a select few to have a massive impact on the RP.

We could however base ourselves off of actual nations and then go from there. So powers like PLR won't be locked in Third World status if they work with other powers (which he already does).

That ties in with having a unified timeline, and it seems more and more like we all have rl nation roots but veered off into alternative history at some point or another.

This would require a hard reset of the RP overall, because if, for example, Oel is the successor state to the German Empire, my nation will fiercely hate them for not apologizing for their forefather's utter destruction of Chinese society through the introduction of racially biased stratification of their expanded colony at Shandong.

This would also allow for players to address the issues that their plot of land has irl. Say, for example, that PLR solves the internal factionalism in the DRC by installing a brutal dictatorship, and fixes their economic woes by allying with foreign powers that send aid, develop infrastructure, etc.. PLR will most undoubtedly have some mild if not fervent dislike for Bax if Bax is supposed to be the successor to Belgium.

I'm really not sure all that many people would go for African nations at all if that were the case. An example is how most of Africa is already depopulated in terms of RPers despite there being no restrictions placed on them in terms of economy and as a result of the stigma following the RL nations. That number is guaranteed to suffer from stagnation if not depletion if they're to be made to be a Third World Nation until they become reasonably developed by outside help.

Besides that, we've tried RP timelines before that include the history of all nations and it hasn't worked well in the past.

I've returned from my drunken slumber and I see I'm the topic of an interesting conversation

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

[spoiler=Today is July 21 and today are:]

Today is July 21 and today are:

- Lamington Day

- Liberation Day (Guam)

- National Day (Belgium)

- National Junk Food Day (United States)

- Racial Harmony Day (Singapore)

- Summer Kazanskaya (Russia)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 356 BC – The Temple of Artemis in Ephesus, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, is destroyed by arson.

- 230 – Pope Pontian succeeds Urban I as the eighteenth pope.

- 285 – Diocletian appoints Maximian as Caesar and co-ruler.

- 365 – The 365 Crete earthquake affects the Greek island of Crete with a maximum Mercalli intensity of XI (Extreme), causing a destructive tsunami that affects the coasts of Libya and Egypt, especially Alexandria. Many thousands were killed.

- 905 – King Berengar I of Italy and a hired Hungarian army defeats the Frankish forces at Verona. King Louis III is captured and blinded for breaking his oath (see 902).[1]

- 1242 – Battle of Taillebourg: Louis IX of France puts an end to the revolt of his vassals Henry III of England and Hugh X of Lusignan.

- 1403 – Battle of Shrewsbury: King Henry IV of England defeats rebels to the north of the county town of Shropshire, England.

- 1545 – The first landing of French troops on the coast of the Isle of Wight during the French invasion of the Isle of Wight.

- 1568 – Eighty Years' War: Battle of Jemmingen: Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, Duke of Alva defeats Louis of Nassau.

- 1645 – Qing dynasty regent Dorgon issues an edict ordering all Han Chinese men to shave their forehead and braid the rest of their hair into a queue identical to those of the Manchus.

- 1656 – The Raid on Málaga takes place during the Anglo-Spanish War.

- 1718 – The Treaty of Passarowitz between the Ottoman Empire, Austria and the Republic of Venice is signed.

- 1774 – Russo-Turkish War (1768–74): Russia and the Ottoman Empire sign the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca ending the war.

- 1831 – Inauguration of Leopold I of Belgium, first king of the Belgians.

- 1861 – American Civil War: First Battle of Bull Run: At Manassas Junction, Virginia, the first major battle of the war begins and ends in a victory for the Confederate army.

- 1865 – In the market square of Springfield, Missouri, Wild Bill Hickok shoots and kills Davis Tutt in what is regarded as the first western showdown.

- 1873 – At Adair, Iowa, Jesse James and the James–Younger Gang pull off the first successful train robbery in the American Old West.

- 1877 – After rioting by Baltimore and Ohio Railroad workers and the deaths of nine rail workers at the hands of the Maryland militia, workers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, stage a sympathy strike that is met with an assault by the state militia.

- 1904 – Louis Rigolly, a Frenchman, becomes the first man to break the 100 mph (161 km/h) barrier on land. He drove a 15-liter Gobron-Brillié in Ostend, Belgium.

- 1907 – The passenger steamer SS Columbia sinks after colliding with the steam schooner San Pedro off Shelter Cove, California, killing 88 people.

- 1919 – The dirigible Wingfoot Air Express crashes into the Illinois Trust and Savings Building in Chicago, killing 12 people.

- 1925 – Scopes Trial: In Dayton, Tennessee, high school biology teacher John T. Scopes is found guilty of teaching evolution in class and fined $100.

- 1925 – Malcolm Campbell becomes the first man to exceed 150 mph (241 km/h) on land. At Pendine Sands in Wales, he drives a Sunbeam at a two-way average speed of 150.33 mph (242 km/h).

- 1944 – World War II: Battle of Guam: American troops land on Guam, starting a battle that will end on August 10.

- 1944 – World War II: Claus von Stauffenberg and fellow conspirators are tortured and executed in Berlin, Germany, for the July 20 plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler.

- 1949 – The United States Senate ratifies the North Atlantic Treaty.

- 1952 – The 7.3-Mw Kern County earthquake strikes Southern California with a maximum Mercalli intensity of XI (Extreme), killing 12 and injuring hundreds.

- 1954 – First Indochina War: The Geneva Conference partitions Vietnam into North Vietnam and South Vietnam.

- 1959 – NS Savannah, the first nuclear-powered cargo-passenger ship, is launched as a showcase for Dwight D. Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace" initiative.

- 1959 – Elijah Jerry "Pumpsie" Green becomes the first African-American to play for the Boston Red Sox, the last team to integrate. He came in as a pinch runner for Vic Wertz and stayed in as shortstop in a 2–1 loss to the Chicago White Sox.

- 1960 – Sirimavo Bandaranaike is elected Prime Minister of Sri Lanka, becoming the world's first female head of government

- 1961 – Mercury program: Mercury-Redstone 4 Mission: Gus Grissom piloting Liberty Bell 7 becomes the second American to go into space (in a suborbital mission).

- 1969 – At 02:56 UTC, astronaut Neil Armstrong becomes the first person to walk on the Moon.

- 1970 – After 11 years of construction, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt is completed.

- 1972 – The Troubles: Bloody Friday: The Provisional IRA detonate 22 bombs in central Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom in the space of 80 minutes, killing nine and injuring 130.

- 1973 – In Lillehammer, Norway, Mossad agents kill a waiter whom they mistakenly thought was involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics Massacre.

- 1976 – Christopher Ewart-Biggs, the British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, is assassinated by the Provisional IRA.

- 1977 – The start of the four-day-long Libyan–Egyptian War.

- 1983 – The world's lowest temperature in an inhabited location is recorded at Vostok Station, Antarctica at −89.2 °C (−128.6 °F).

- 1995 – Third Taiwan Strait Crisis: The People's Liberation Army begins firing missiles into the waters north of Taiwan.

- 2001 – At the conclusion of a fireworks display on Okura Beach in Akashi, Hyōgo, Japan, 11 people are killed and more than 120 are injured when a pedestrian footbridge connecting the beach to JR Asagiri Station becomes overcrowded and people leaving the event fall down in a domino effect.

- 2005 – July 2005 London bombings occur.

- 2008 – Ram Baran Yadav is declared the first president of Nepal.

- 2011 – NASA's Space Shuttle program ends with the landing of Space Shuttle Atlantis on mission STS-135 at NASA's Kennedy Space Center.

- 2012 – Erden Eruç completes the first solo human-powered circumnavigation of the world.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 541 – Emperor Wen of Sui, emperor of the Sui Dynasty

- 1414 – Pope Sixtus IV

- 1693 – Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle, English politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

- 1816 – Paul Reuter, German-English journalist, founded Reuters

- 1893 – Hans Fallada, German author

- 1899 – Ernest Hemingway, American novelist, short story writer, and journalist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1911 – Marshall McLuhan, Canadian author and theorist

- 1920 – Isaac Stern, Polish violinist and conductor

- 1946 – Ken Starr, American lawyer and judge, 39th Solicitor General of the United States

- 1948 – Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), English singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1951 – Robin Williams, American actor, singer, and producer

- 1964 – Jens Weißflog, German ski jumper and journalist

- 1971 – Charlotte Gainsbourg, English-French actress and singer

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

Metaphors have a way of holding the most truth in the least space.

- Orson Scott Card -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Auxorii, Vista Major, Oelesa, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:[spoiler=Today is July 21 and today are:]

Today is July 21 and today are:

- Lamington Day

- Liberation Day (Guam)

- National Day (Belgium)

- National Junk Food Day (United States)

- Racial Harmony Day (Singapore)

- Summer Kazanskaya (Russia)

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 356 BC – The Temple of Artemis in Ephesus, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, is destroyed by arson.

- 230 – Pope Pontian succeeds Urban I as the eighteenth pope.

- 285 – Diocletian appoints Maximian as Caesar and co-ruler.

- 365 – The 365 Crete earthquake affects the Greek island of Crete with a maximum Mercalli intensity of XI (Extreme), causing a destructive tsunami that affects the coasts of Libya and Egypt, especially Alexandria. Many thousands were killed.

- 905 – King Berengar I of Italy and a hired Hungarian army defeats the Frankish forces at Verona. King Louis III is captured and blinded for breaking his oath (see 902).[1]

- 1242 – Battle of Taillebourg: Louis IX of France puts an end to the revolt of his vassals Henry III of England and Hugh X of Lusignan.

- 1403 – Battle of Shrewsbury: King Henry IV of England defeats rebels to the north of the county town of Shropshire, England.

- 1545 – The first landing of French troops on the coast of the Isle of Wight during the French invasion of the Isle of Wight.

- 1568 – Eighty Years' War: Battle of Jemmingen: Fernando Álvarez de Toledo, Duke of Alva defeats Louis of Nassau.

- 1645 – Qing dynasty regent Dorgon issues an edict ordering all Han Chinese men to shave their forehead and braid the rest of their hair into a queue identical to those of the Manchus.

- 1656 – The Raid on Málaga takes place during the Anglo-Spanish War.

- 1718 – The Treaty of Passarowitz between the Ottoman Empire, Austria and the Republic of Venice is signed.

- 1774 – Russo-Turkish War (1768–74): Russia and the Ottoman Empire sign the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca ending the war.

- 1831 – Inauguration of Leopold I of Belgium, first king of the Belgians.

- 1861 – American Civil War: First Battle of Bull Run: At Manassas Junction, Virginia, the first major battle of the war begins and ends in a victory for the Confederate army.

- 1865 – In the market square of Springfield, Missouri, Wild Bill Hickok shoots and kills Davis Tutt in what is regarded as the first western showdown.

- 1873 – At Adair, Iowa, Jesse James and the James–Younger Gang pull off the first successful train robbery in the American Old West.

- 1877 – After rioting by Baltimore and Ohio Railroad workers and the deaths of nine rail workers at the hands of the Maryland militia, workers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, stage a sympathy strike that is met with an assault by the state militia.

- 1904 – Louis Rigolly, a Frenchman, becomes the first man to break the 100 mph (161 km/h) barrier on land. He drove a 15-liter Gobron-Brillié in Ostend, Belgium.

- 1907 – The passenger steamer SS Columbia sinks after colliding with the steam schooner San Pedro off Shelter Cove, California, killing 88 people.

- 1919 – The dirigible Wingfoot Air Express crashes into the Illinois Trust and Savings Building in Chicago, killing 12 people.

- 1925 – Scopes Trial: In Dayton, Tennessee, high school biology teacher John T. Scopes is found guilty of teaching evolution in class and fined $100.

- 1925 – Malcolm Campbell becomes the first man to exceed 150 mph (241 km/h) on land. At Pendine Sands in Wales, he drives a Sunbeam at a two-way average speed of 150.33 mph (242 km/h).

- 1944 – World War II: Battle of Guam: American troops land on Guam, starting a battle that will end on August 10.

- 1944 – World War II: Claus von Stauffenberg and fellow conspirators are tortured and executed in Berlin, Germany, for the July 20 plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler.

- 1949 – The United States Senate ratifies the North Atlantic Treaty.

- 1952 – The 7.3-Mw Kern County earthquake strikes Southern California with a maximum Mercalli intensity of XI (Extreme), killing 12 and injuring hundreds.

- 1954 – First Indochina War: The Geneva Conference partitions Vietnam into North Vietnam and South Vietnam.

- 1959 – NS Savannah, the first nuclear-powered cargo-passenger ship, is launched as a showcase for Dwight D. Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace" initiative.

- 1959 – Elijah Jerry "Pumpsie" Green becomes the first African-American to play for the Boston Red Sox, the last team to integrate. He came in as a pinch runner for Vic Wertz and stayed in as shortstop in a 2–1 loss to the Chicago White Sox.

- 1960 – Sirimavo Bandaranaike is elected Prime Minister of Sri Lanka, becoming the world's first female head of government

- 1961 – Mercury program: Mercury-Redstone 4 Mission: Gus Grissom piloting Liberty Bell 7 becomes the second American to go into space (in a suborbital mission).

- 1969 – At 02:56 UTC, astronaut Neil Armstrong becomes the first person to walk on the Moon.

- 1970 – After 11 years of construction, the Aswan High Dam in Egypt is completed.

- 1972 – The Troubles: Bloody Friday: The Provisional IRA detonate 22 bombs in central Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom in the space of 80 minutes, killing nine and injuring 130.

- 1973 – In Lillehammer, Norway, Mossad agents kill a waiter whom they mistakenly thought was involved in the 1972 Munich Olympics Massacre.

- 1976 – Christopher Ewart-Biggs, the British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, is assassinated by the Provisional IRA.

- 1977 – The start of the four-day-long Libyan–Egyptian War.

- 1983 – The world's lowest temperature in an inhabited location is recorded at Vostok Station, Antarctica at −89.2 °C (−128.6 °F).

- 1995 – Third Taiwan Strait Crisis: The People's Liberation Army begins firing missiles into the waters north of Taiwan.

- 2001 – At the conclusion of a fireworks display on Okura Beach in Akashi, Hyōgo, Japan, 11 people are killed and more than 120 are injured when a pedestrian footbridge connecting the beach to JR Asagiri Station becomes overcrowded and people leaving the event fall down in a domino effect.

- 2005 – July 2005 London bombings occur.

- 2008 – Ram Baran Yadav is declared the first president of Nepal.

- 2011 – NASA's Space Shuttle program ends with the landing of Space Shuttle Atlantis on mission STS-135 at NASA's Kennedy Space Center.

- 2012 – Erden Eruç completes the first solo human-powered circumnavigation of the world.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 541 – Emperor Wen of Sui, emperor of the Sui Dynasty

- 1414 – Pope Sixtus IV

- 1693 – Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle, English politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

- 1816 – Paul Reuter, German-English journalist, founded Reuters

- 1893 – Hans Fallada, German author

- 1899 – Ernest Hemingway, American novelist, short story writer, and journalist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1911 – Marshall McLuhan, Canadian author and theorist

- 1920 – Isaac Stern, Polish violinist and conductor

- 1946 – Ken Starr, American lawyer and judge, 39th Solicitor General of the United States

- 1948 – Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), English singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1951 – Robin Williams, American actor, singer, and producer

- 1964 – Jens Weißflog, German ski jumper and journalist

- 1971 – Charlotte Gainsbourg, English-French actress and singer

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

Metaphors have a way of holding the most truth in the least space.

- Orson Scott Card -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Everyday is national junk food day for me, send help

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton, United Continental States

Sean Spicer just resigned.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Everyday is national junk food day for me, send help

I've got rainbow twizzlers, sour wine gums, and gummy bears. Your care package is on its way!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton, Solla Ultima

United Continental States wrote:Sean Spicer just resigned.

WOOOOOOOOOO.

Solla Ultima

United Continental States wrote:Sean Spicer just resigned.

I know. Too bad.

Welp, by my count it looks as though [nation=short]Baxten[/nation] will serve as the first Chancellor of the CFN 2.0.

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you, Bax!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Baxten, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Percyton, Solla Ultima, United Continental States

United Continental States wrote:Sean Spicer just resigned.

Surprised it didn't happen sooner. I guess even Sean Spicer has his limits.

South Hyder

Auxorii wrote:I know. Too bad.

"Too bad." This is the greatest thing to happen to the Trump administration.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Hey Flynn !! Long time no talk. How are you, buddy ? :)

Doing good! Got my Driver's Permit on the 14th so that is hype!

Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Auxorii wrote:I know. Too bad.

Had a feeling you were a Trump supporter.

Yukona

People of the Confederacy:

Even though I will not be releasing the official election tally until tonight, [I]I need to make it known that the elections for Supreme Court Justice need to be redone[/I].

Due to controversy, I have recorded the SCJ ballots two ways: one version is reserved for those who voted for only one candidate; the other version is for all ballots, whether you voted for one, two, or three candidates.

In both versions, there are ties that make choosing a first, second and/or third place winner impossible.

I will consult the temporary Chief Justice ([nation=short+noflag]Oelesa[/nation]) and the author of the Constitution ([nation=short+noflag]Unfallious[/nation]) on this matter to determine which version will be accepted so that we can start those runoff elections as soon as possible.

Stay tuned.

~VM

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:"Too bad." This is the greatest thing to happen to the Trump administration.

To be fair his job was probably one of the hardest jobs on the planet, I mean, he did work for Trump, who says whatever he wants whenever he wants

Jaslandia, Auxorii, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Solla Ultima, United Continental States, South Hyder

The US CMP has officially acquired the US stock of phased-out military issue 1911's, if you sign up and buy one (or more!), then you could potentially get a WW1 issue colt!

The United Providences Of Perland

Clemodecralia wrote:The US CMP has officially acquired the US stock of phased-out military issue 1911's, if you sign up and buy one (or more!), then you could potentially get a WW1 issue colt!

Ew, .45s.

Get yourself a real 10mm to take care of you.

The United Providences Of Perland

Flynnvakia wrote:Doing good! Got my Driver's Permit on the 14th so that is hype!

Yay. Drive safe. :)

Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Ew, .45s.

Get yourself a real 10mm to take care of you.

>falling for the 10mm meme

Thanks, but anything short of a 7.62x54r obrez is simply insufficient for a daily carry

United Continental States wrote:Sean Spicer just resigned.

Good shít, he was dumber than a box of hammers.

Sarah Huckabee, you're next, you mindless parrot!

United Continental States

Nuremgard wrote:Had a feeling you were a Trump supporter.

He's a deplorable!

Auxorii wrote:I know. Too bad.

So how am I being an asshole?

The new Kycci flag

http://i.imgur.com/CMh8Hvg.png

Replaces

http://i.imgur.com/SyO2qf5.png

Andromitus, Percyton

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:"Too bad." This is the greatest thing to happen to the Trump administration.

Eh. I liked Spicer. I thought Conway was better suited for the job anyways.

Nuremgard wrote:Had a feeling you were a Trump supporter.

Not really. I supported Johnson in 2016 after working on the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:So how am I being an asshole?

Uh, what?

The United Providences Of Perland

Sigh. You try your best to improve the lives of your citizens by investing in public services and infrastructure, but every time you do, your employment rate goes down.

Why do you do this to me, NS?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Sigh. You try your best to improve the lives of your citizens by investing in public services and infrastructure, but every time you do, your employment rate goes down.

Why do you do this to me, NS?

That's inflation.

Auxorii wrote:That's inflation.

Better watch in case the King gets overthrown.

Nuremgard wrote:Better watch in case the King gets overthrown.

Tip: The less government you use, the better your economy will be. More jobs and more innovation.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Auxorii wrote:Tip: The less government you use, the better your economy will be. More jobs and more innovation.

*ahem*

>Big government, huge economy right here

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:*ahem*

>Big government, huge economy right here

How about innovation and employment?

Auxorii wrote:Tip: The less government you use, the better your economy will be. More jobs and more innovation.

Well Nuremgard has a big government and big state-owned enterprises and our economy is brilliant.

My other nation is young so that's probably why.

Congregations to Baxten on his Chancellor win.

Jaslandia, Baxten, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Well Nuremgard has a big government and big state-owned enterprises and our economy is brilliant.

My other nation is young so that's probably why.

Fair enough. Reality is a lot different though.

Auxorii wrote:Eh. I liked Spicer. I thought Conway was better suited for the job anyways.

Not really. I supported Johnson in 2016 after working on the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Uh, what?

You said earlier that I was being an asshole when you were discussing RPs and why you're hesitant to participate

Auxorii wrote:How about innovation and employment?

1st in the region for scientific advancement, top 1% for infotech industry, and was in the top 1% of the world for employment until I stopped answering issues about a month ago.

Oh, and funny enough, my employment jumped up so high only when I allowed an AI to centrally plan my economy.

Jaslandia

Auxorii wrote:Fair enough. Reality is a lot different though.

The Scandinavians seem to do fine with big governments.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:You said earlier that I was being an asshole when you were discussing RPs and why you're hesitant to participate

Oh. Yeah. You literally wouldn't respond to me or my telegrams and then when I tried opening relations you said that we provide nothing for you and then went to block my trade routes.

Auxorii wrote:Eh. I liked Spicer. I thought Conway was better suited for the job anyways.

Not really. I supported Johnson in 2016 after working on the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Uh, what?

You said and I quote "Yeah Imma just stop roleplaying. This region has so many rules they put on it and PLR is just being an asshole so it's all good."

Nuremgard wrote:The Scandinavians seem to do fine with big governments.

Germany's got a pretty big government too, and they're the titular powerhouse of Europe.

Nuremgard

Auxorii wrote:Oh. Yeah. You literally wouldn't respond to me or my telegrams and then when I tried opening relations you said that we provide nothing for you and then went to block my trade routes.

....because you dont. As Lower Antilles, there's no strategic value or importance for me. Thats not being an asshole. That's just being very honest

Nuremgard wrote:The Scandinavians seem to do fine with big governments.

Sweden's government has had their budget fail twice since the 90s

Friedensreich wrote:Germany's got a pretty big government too, and they're the titular powerhouse of Europe.

Not to mention the major partner of the ruling coalition is a Conservative one. And I'm sure a couple of the Scandi nations have right-wing governments right now.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:You said and I quote "Yeah Imma just stop roleplaying. This region has so many rules they put on it and PLR is just being an asshole so it's all good."

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:....because you dont. As Lower Antilles, there's no strategic value or importance for me. Thats not being an asshole. That's just being very honest

It's being an asshole to start blocking trade routes for a nation that has "no strategic values or importance". It was pretty obvious you were just trying to irk me.

Auxorii wrote:Sweden's government has had their budget fail twice since the 90s

Cant argue with their standard of living or happiness levels. Especially Norway.

Kind of funny how a lot of people assumed I was a Trump supporter when I literally worked for Bernie Sander's presidential campaign in Nevada

Vista Major, Oelesa, United Continental States, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Auxorii wrote:It's being an asshole to start blocking trade routes for a nation that has "no strategic values or importance". It was pretty obvious you were just trying to irk me.

It's more about sending a message. You spat on his nation by refusing to allow them to help in Hawaii.

He's simply doing what any nation would do when they're insulted like that. Shít, Vista can tell you all about how my leader is taking their disrespect towards her rn.

Peoples Liberation Republic

Nuremgard wrote:Cant argue with their standard of living or happiness levels. Especially Norway.

Most Scandinavian countries are actually pretty capitalist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mercury.postlight.com/amp%3Furl%3Dhttps://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

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