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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2U8yfKM9nY
:P
Jaslandia, Percyton
Long story short: Silver was pretty inactive, let the Founder CTE once or twice. The people voted to have Unf become the new founder. Silver didn't like that so he refused and dissolved the Gov. We migrated to the old NGA.
In the NGA Valt started to get abusive with members and the problem got ingrained when Unf started listening to him. Most of the more politically active members left as Gov turned toxic.
The NGA became locked-up as a two house system was adopted but the loss of members made it impossible to pass legislation in either house due to minimum member numbers. Then Ru showed up and started to clash with Valt, actively criticising him. This was exasperated by Valt asking his cabinet to block my ascension to Supreme Court after Ru nominated me. Legal issues with whether Ru could do that only further inflamed it as Valt took every chance to insult Ru.
Eventually we left for Montaris, where Ru -dumbly- took the position of Monarch rather than putting a puppet account there. Ru started to get belligerent with members after a scandal or two happened, and eventually kicked Merc after being egged on. Some accounts stayed there, but they all worked with his lackies too so it's unclear if they were actually just puppets or not.
Now we're here, and while some of Ru's puppets have started fights here as trolls, we're pretty stable since Me, Tse, and Tim are co-founders.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Percyton
So, we all started in this region called the Next Generation Alliance (NGA) in the summer of 2013. That went well for a while, but then a guy named Controlled Interests (CI) formulated a plot to convince everyone we needed a new region, so he could be partial founder of this new region (the other one being the NGA's founder Silver Bloods), then change the password to take control away from Silver and become sole founder. Unfallious was part of this plot as well, along with a few others, so he might have some more insight.
Anyway, Silver found out about this plot and foiled it, leaving Silver as sole founder of this new region (Commonwealth of Free Nations). By that time we had already migrated to the CFN, so we enjoyed that region for a long time, until Silver started becoming inactive. Eventually, we started negotiations with Silver to elect a new founder who would also have access to the founder account, and it looked like we had finally convinced Silver to agree to this. But then Silver started acting like a tyrant, rejecting our deal by saying it was 'bureaucratic' and undemocratic, and suppressing those who disagreed with his actions. Thus, we abandoned Silver and migrated back to the NGA, which Unf had preserved.
Again, we were happy in the NGA for a while, but then the region got wracked in a political dispute between members like Kal and Sul, and a member named Valturus (who is now in the Versutian Federation). I won't go into the details of that dispute, as it's still kinda a partisan issue and I don't want to re-open old wounds, but not long after Valturus was elected Chancellor (the first Chancellor under a new system called 'Presidium', which tried to make the region's government more resemble a parliamentary system), there was another split, and led by a guy named Ruclax, we left the second NGA and founded a region called the Most Serene Republic of Montaris, with Ruclax as founder. Ruclax was the architect of our judicial systems, but he became unpopular when he was elected Chancellor and declared the institution of a draft and a military-based empire in the region, and then tried to escape blame by saying his fraternity brothers had hijacked his account (which we weren't buying). Ru left the region for a little while, then came back and regained everyone's trust around the time of the Valt scandal.
Montaris quickly became different from our other regions because it had a more monarchical theme, with Ru as King, and him appointing several prominent members and allies of his to nobility. However, we didn't think much of it, as we thought it was all just ceremonial while the real democracy went on as normal. However, Ru soon let his status go to his head, and he began to have tyrannical urges. At first, we were able to privately talk him down from his tyrannical urges, but one day, he banned Mercunova without any criminal charges or even a public announcement that he had done so. I asked on the RMB what had happened for Merc to be abruptly banned and kicked out of the region, and after at first Ru claimed that Merc had harassed him (which we weren't accepting; even if it was true, we needed to do a trial with a judge before anyone could be banned), Ru acted dismissive saying it was 'just a game'. Again, we were having none of it, so we left Ru in Montaris and migrated to the Confederacy of Free Nations, where we are now.
Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Percyton
I think you and I can still argue over the details of the Valt situation, but other than that, pretty much an accurate assessment.
Sorry to spam, but is it just me, or does our history resemble the history of ancient Greece? Feuding factions, alternating periods of democracy and tyranny, great heroes/villains who we remember for all of our days, powerful gods and goddess (Shirley/NS mods, Argentism, and so on), etc. All we're missing is a foreign invasion that temporarily brings us all together, and a conqueror from up north who is somewhat-related to us that takes over everyone.
Axeldonia, Percyton, Spanelsko
Just to simplify our history, we move around too f*cking much :p
Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Aye, we could. However, there are two details that to me at least raise validity towards my words, that two of the cabinet members (Interstellar and one who shall not be named) later admitted to having been requested by Valt to vote no, and that Peng was the "face" of Valt's party (So much so that he was considered a shoe-in for Chancellor) until right before the election when Valt removed him from the party and cruised to the top as Chancellor with the members who had joined.
I'll let the issue rest as it'll raise my hackles otherwise, but we cqn surely agree that the NGA was a sh!tshow :p
Jaslandia
And just like that, my anger level went from 'none' to 'soaring' in a second.
Calm down, dude. Let bygones be bygones, aye?
Yukona, Percyton
Triumph over bygone sorrow,
Can in unity be won.
Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton
Awesome
https://i.redd.it/1snqqhqck2ey.png
https://orig00.deviantart.net/3d94/f/2016/209/c/1/anarcho_communist_flag_by_unclestalin1945-dabs1cs.png
i have question which flag do you guys think would be better? (this is in case spain or whatever left of it if not annexed would use as a flag for the order of 50)
Percyton
Already had the Foreign Invasion, actually. Red Riders and Uncle Fawkes tried to lead one with RL friends before the Gov mounted a defense back in Montaris, I helped boost our Endorse Count by some fifteen members or so.
Jaslandia
You've come a long way then, if its any consolation I think you guys are sound.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Percyton
My new flag thanks to Penguania And Antarctica.
(Love you Peng)
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Egyptian commie?!
otherwise a nice flag good job peng.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota
What branch are you in?
just a small funny detail, on my formally main nation i passed the law that gun ownership is compulsory, so yes EVERYONE HAS A GUN and it resulted in my authority rising by 10% wtf?
Hmmmm.... does this ask for our long term political/philosophical beliefs, or our right here, right now beliefs?
Id be a communist if you ask long term, but in the short term- here and now- Im pretty much a Center right libertarian like Rand Paul.
I just saw the voting thing, HOW IS Antifa considered libertarian? they are authoritarian left at best!
Talkative Friedensriech
Holy mother of God how many times are you going to edit your RP posts? They are so confusing to read.
are they really that confusing? they all focus on certain part, and are simple in my eyes.
not to mention i dont change the bits already made i only add stuff.
http://i.magaimg.net/img/1dd.jpg
why i hate antifa.
Cesorion
Check out!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg/1280px-Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg.png
Jaslandia
What do the colors mean?
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg
That one has an index
PS: Nice flag!
Penguania And Antarctica
Social Democratic, centre left
Penguania And Antarctica
They need more seats.
Penguania And Antarctica
Wait till next election, possibly. For now, Liberal and Progress
Penguania And Antarctica
I cant figure out whos talking ever because theres no quotations or names. Its all just random this and that
What IRL party is liberal in your mind?
Unsure. Think of an economicaly and socialy liberal party, somewhere centre-right.
A bit more liberal than that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democracy_(Greece)
if it wasnt obvious its the leader, the main general is also the leader, thats why its only him speaking, in case someone would have speech longer then = ´´yes sir´´ i would put names.
To put it simply, there is a reason the leader is called ´´General Dictator´´ and its not for the reason that the leader is egomaniac. Which is surprising to say at least, also since i see that somehow the obvious isnt as obvious as i was thinking, did anyone else had the same problem as hand?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/213/969/6e6.gif
Why I love antifa
Yeah, remember when the allies and soviets defeated nazi germany with a peaceful rally?
Spanelsko
yeah totally ´´peaceful´´
also do you guys remember the day Gandhi nuked the world?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/896/c32.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hHD3Dxr.png
http://i.imgur.com/OsI4HJO.png
(possibly memes)
Jaslandia
I don't think you undertand what he meant by Peaceful; He was mocking you by claiming that somehow Fascists and Dictatorial oppressors can be peacefully reasoned with
Axeldonia
Well now that makes no sense to me, what do you base this on?
I was mocking you.
how?
...
I think he doesn't get sarcasm.
Antifa members punch Fascists
You say how dare they
Axel says remember when Soviets & Friends peacefully protested against the Fascists to end WWII?
>Point is, we didn't you cannot speak with those that silence you
Axeldonia
oh now i understand so you didnt understand my point, my point was that they ´´fight´´ for freedom and anarchy by being lovers of violence and acting like fascists, while also believing that stalinist USSR (CCCP) was a good thing.
[spoiler=Today is October 20 and today are:]
Today is October 20 and today are:
- Arbor Day (Czech Republic)
- Bhai Tika (Nepal)
- Govardhan Puja (India)
- Heroes' Day (Kenya)
- Information Overload Day
- International Sloth Day
- National Brandied Fruit Day (United States)
- National Mammography Day (United States)
- Revolution Day (Guatemala)
- Suspender's Day
- Vietnamese Women's Day (Vietnam)
- World Osteoporosis Day
- World Statistics Day
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 1548 The city of Nuestra Señora de La Paz (Our Lady of Peace) is founded by Alonso de Mendoza by appointment of the king of Spain and Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V.
- 1568 Battle of Jodoigne: the Spanish Duke of Alba defeats a Dutch rebel force under William the Silent.
- 1572 Relief of Goes: Cristóbal de Mondragón, with 3000 soldiers of the Spanish Tercios, relieves the siege of the city.
- 1720 Caribbean pirate Calico Jack is captured by the Royal Navy.
- 1740 Maria Theresa takes the throne of Austria. France, Prussia, Bavaria and Saxony refuse to honour the Pragmatic Sanction and the War of the Austrian Succession begins.
- 1781 The Patent of Toleration, providing limited freedom of worship, is approved in Habsburg Monarchy.
- 1803 The United States Senate ratifies the Louisiana Purchase.
- 1818 The Convention of 1818 is signed between the United States and the United Kingdom, which settles the CanadaUnited States border on the 49th parallel for most of its length.
- 1827 In the Battle of Navarino, a combined Turkish and Egyptian fleet is defeated by British, French, and Russian naval forces in the last significant battle fought with wooden sailing ships.
- 1873 Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and Rutgers universities draft the first code of American football rules.
- 1883 Peru and Chile sign the Treaty of Ancón, by which the Tarapacá province is ceded to the latter, bringing an end to Peru's involvement in the War of the Pacific.
- 1904 Chile and Bolivia sign the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, delimiting the border between the two countries.
- 1910 The hull of the RMS Olympic, sister-ship to the ill-fated RMS Titanic, is launched from the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast, Northern Ireland.
- 1935 The Long March, a mammoth retreat undertaken by the armed forces of the Chinese Communist Party a year prior, ends.
- 1941 World War II: Thousands of civilians in Kragujevac in German-occupied Serbia are murdered in the Kragujevac massacre.
- 1944 The Soviet Army and Yugoslav Partisans liberate Belgrade, the capital of Yugoslavia
- 1944 Liquefied natural gas leaks from storage tanks in Cleveland and then explodes; the explosion and resulting fire level 30 blocks and kill 130.
- 1944 American general Douglas MacArthur fulfills his promise to return to the Philippines when he commands an Allied assault on the islands, reclaiming them from the Japanese during the Second World War.
- 1946 Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam decides that October 20 is Vietnam Women's Day.
- 1947 The House Un-American Activities Committee begins its investigation into Communist infiltration of the cinema of the United States, resulting in a blacklist that prevents some from working in the industry for years.
- 1947 The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan establish diplomatic relations for the first time.
- 1951 The "Johnny Bright incident" occurs in Stillwater, Oklahoma
- 1952 Governor Evelyn Baring declares a state of emergency in Kenya and begins arresting hundreds of suspected leaders of the Mau Mau Uprising, including Jomo Kenyatta, the future first President of Kenya.
- 1961 The Soviet Union performs the first armed test of a submarine-launched ballistic missile, launching an R-13 from a Golf-class submarine.
- 1962 People's Republic of China launches simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line, igniting the Sino-Indian War.
- 1968 Former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy marries Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis.
- 1973 "Saturday Night Massacre": United States President Richard Nixon fires U.S. Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus after they refuse to fire Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who is finally fired by Robert Bork.
- 1973 The Sydney Opera House is opened by Elizabeth II after 14 years of construction.
- 1976 The ferry George Prince is struck by a ship while crossing the Mississippi River between Destrehan and Luling, Louisiana. Seventy-eight passengers and crew die, and only 18 people aboard the ferry survive.
- 1977 Rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crashes.
- 1981 Two police officers and an armored car guard are killed during an armed robbery in Rockland County, New York, carried out by members of the Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground.
- 1982 During the UEFA Cup match between FC Spartak Moscow and HFC Haarlem, 66 people are crushed to death in the Luzhniki disaster.
- 1991 A 6.8 Mw earthquake strikes the Uttarkashi region of India, killing more than 1,000 people.
- 2011 Libyan Civil War: National Transitional Council rebel forces capture ousted Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi in his hometown of Sirte and kill him shortly thereafter.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1632 - Christopher Wren, English physicist, mathematician, and architect, designed St Paul's Cathedral
- 1859 - John Dewey, American psychologist and philosopher
- 1882 - Bela Lugosi, Hungarian-American actor
- 1891 - James Chadwick, English physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1923 - Otfried Preußler, German children's books author
- 1931 - Mickey Mantle, American baseball player and sportscaster
- 1942 - Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard, German biologist and geneticist, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1946 - Elfriede Jelinek, Austrian author and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1950 - Tom Petty, American singer-songwriter, guitarist, and producer
- 1956 - Danny Boyle, English director, producer, and screenwriter
- 1958 - Viggo Mortensen, American actor and producer
- 1966 - Stefan Raab, German comedian, singer-songwriter, producer, and television host
- 1971 - Snoop Dogg, American rapper, producer, and actor
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Quote of the day
Writing, to me, is simply thinking through my fingers.
- Isaac Asimov -
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Jaslandia, Minnesota Dakota, Yukona, Percyton
>Point is, we didn't you cannot speak with those that silence you
???
I almost forgot about that. At least we were able to fight that one off with little problems, and there were internal disputes among our enemies which limited their effectiveness. A couple of them even joined us for a bit, IIRC.
"There is no shame in deterrence. Having a weapon is very different from actually using it. Well, unless you're me. And that weapon is nuclear missiles. In that case, I'm gonna use my weapon and you're all screwed." - Gandhi, 2017
https://youtu.be/jiSPquq0RfI?t=27s
Axeldonia, Spanelsko
Just be it recorded that in my country (IRL) Anarchists have put into fire hundreds of peoples' cars, bombed hundreds of peoples' homes and businesses and stuff like that.(all those people had nothing to do with Fascsim. They just happened to live there, or have their car parked there). No bias from me, just food for thought
Spanelsko
hmmm that sounds for some odd reason similar, did these anarchists have masks and were in black?
for example this retards= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ9gOfmY_k
Well, pardon me for questioning you, but what proof do you have of that? Anarchist rioters aren't really the sort of people who have access to explosives.
Ah, it reminds you of the black-clad riot police shooting teargas and beating protesters, no?
http://www.protagon.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ex2.jpg
From a Greek news site. Photograph from Exarcheia, Athens.
Buses have stopped all rides in that area because of stuff like that occuring every day
Spanelsko
I am bringing back the Roman Salute
did you really just compared civilians throwing molotovs on police members with teargas and beating that are in most cases used on protesters like the ones i showed in the video? Not to mention the video i showed was famous for being known as a peaceful protest, yeah burning others property and throwing bottles set on fire is peaceful.
I know you are left BUT how left is your brain infected?
GG
i hope you will be ok.
what?
Hm, I see. Well, I certainly condone attacks on civillians/bystanders, but anarchism is also a diverse movement with many different group just in Greece. I will admit I am somewhat extreme in that I endorse lotting which I see as delegitimizing private ownership (though looting small independent stores is both a dick move and bad for PR) and some measure of violence against police, which I see as maintaining the illegitimate monopoly of violence by the state.
I hope you don't take this as a personal attqck and don't really expect you to change your mind, but I hope you can at least get a grasp of my view of the situation.
i did a small mistake, but what i meant was GJ=good job, since this salute is unknown to a lot of people from what i know.
...Yes? I feel your argument came out a bit muddled. Classy to resort to personal attacks, btw.
Depends on what you mean. I for one personally doubt that there was a true danger at all. Looking back, I can't help but note certain facts that bear reconsideration in light of Puerto (One of the members that had joined us and then cried out against us before ultimately admitting to treason) rejoining Montaris briefly after our exodus, indeed, he even went along with Ru's own attempts to decry us.
Besides, their region has followed us for a pretty long while, it's pretty firmly set in my mind that they constituted at least a few of the trolls from last year.
Jaslandia
I see. Well, either way, Montaris is basically dead now, and as far as I know, Ru hasn't had contact with any of us in ages, so that's one less thing we have to worry about that.
well what about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71bKr8nM0Qg
while the title isnt 100% accurate if anyone has any respect for groups like antifa after this then they are left beyond saving, i didnt meant to resort to a personal attack but defending these FUC-KERS is stupidity at best. Until i saw that i was still like this= yeah antifa does stupid things again, and then i saw this video, while i dont like war this was more then disrespectful, not to mention i hate the left after what it has done my country.
But debating about politics leads to nowhere most of the time, so i say give me your argument and then we will forget about this otherwise we will be here forever.
I do have grasp of your way of thinking only from the pretitle. There is no chance that I will change my mind, but I do think that they can very well express themselves in a sitting protest, without burning people's property.
Also, I do not expect you to change your mind, either. Just explaining my point of view
Axeldonia
Well, according to the protesters in the video he was telling protesters he was gonna shoot them in the face, so he wasn't without blame and it doesn't surprise me that he got a violent response. As for things "the left" have done to your country, it has given you these horrid things:
[spoiler]Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States[/spoiler]
Equal pay? Lunch breaks? No more child labour? Truly the US is a left-wing dystopia.
Oh no, that was my poor grasp of english stepping in. I CONDEMN attacks on bystanders, I do absolutely not condone them.
Cesorion
SPOILERS YOU MONSTER, USE SPOILERS
Penguania And Antarctica
except when i was talking about communist dictatorship of Československá socialistická republika (CSR) puppet of USSR. NOT USA
Are you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism? Because I think you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism
Axeldonia
Did you just violate my NAP you dang statist
Ah. Well, since the video you showed me was from the US, I assumed you where from there. As for the USSR, that was authoritarian socialism bordering on national bolshevism, which I do not support.
Penguania And Antarctica
Oh! OK. Makes much more sense now!
Axeldonia
Thanks.
Cesorion
*cough*Anarchists Cookbook*cough*
Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion
The Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (Czech and Slovak: Komunistická strana Československa, KSČ) was a Communist and MarxistLeninist political party in Czechoslovakia that existed between 1921 and 1992. It was a member of the Comintern. Between 1929 and 1953 it was led by Klement Gottwald. After its election victory in 1946 it seized power in the 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état and established a one-party state allied with the Soviet Union. Nationalization of virtually all private enterprises followed.
being called socialist doenst mean that the nation was socialist, they were communists, your argument is like saying that North Korea is democracy because they have it in their name. While there later was the socialism with human face thing it quickly got crushed when Warsaw Pact came in.
While not all left wing ideas are bad most of them are not worth it. until the left wing commies took over we were a great democratic nation, then we become a dictatorship and puppet of russia.
I do agree with some left wing ideas but certainly all extremes have to be regulated mainly the left.
Russkov Soviet, Andromitus
good to know, also i understand that everyone have a different view and i am probably a dick at this point. So sorry.
Technicaly North Korea is a democracy. The people can vote in elections.
Peoples Liberation Republic
oh and since we had the argument/debate i might as well say a random fact, before when i was younger i actually was a leftist loving russia, as of today i am right wing libertarian supporter of NATO and USA with strong belief that communist and socialists parties should be banned. While believing in cooperation with both russia and china. (which does sound ironic/hypocritical considering i want freedom yet i also want to ban political parties)
I see. But uh... "then we become a dictatorship and a puppet of Russia?" I control the Motherland according to the map, and I have no puppet. I may be misunderstanding this, but my attention has been grabbed.
cant argue with that.
Minnesota Dakota
That was real life history not RP. (just making sure you know that)
IC dont mind that, just some old reports and news about CCCP and its puppet base.
Russkov Soviet
oh also sorry to everyone that had to read my little angry speech, i normally try not to cause problems or debates over nothing.
IC
everything ok soviet?
It only gets better: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722587#p32722587
Ok. So I did slightly misunderstand the post. xD
Spanelsko
no problem, it happens all the time to me. :)
Russkov Soviet
It looks like a lot happened while I was gone. Sorry about that, guys! Things got really busy at work.
Welcome back, Audiastan!
Jaslandia, Audiastan, Penguania And Antarctica
On an entirely unrelated topic:
https://youtu.be/XmDtvKD236U
the comment section here is glorious.
Lex Caledonia
Hey, Percy! How are you?
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
What should my democratic name be?
ya wee dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
Me? Dirty? I give your comment a -8/10, Sir.
Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia
Dipping my toes into the RP: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722724#p32722724
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia
( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
Ja
Si
Oui
Lex Caledonia
good luck!
´´reads the thing´´ Recent weeks have called for increased Lex Caledonian involvement in world affairs, especially CONCORD's invasion of the Iberian Peninsula oh for f.................
Lex Caledonia, Minnesota Dakota
What? It's a bouncy tune.
Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia
Well alrighty then, let me check, you don't know what these ideologies mean considering your use of the term "Communist" and "Socialist". Despite you saying otherwise, both the USSR and all of its satellites were socialist, as socialism is defined as a "When the production, distribution, and exchange is owned or regulated by the community/state." None of them were Communist however, as Communism is loosely defined as "A society where property is publicly owned, and the abolition of both the Money and State have concluded."
In fact, I grow increasingly more confused with the points you made as I read on, as I never once argued for the USSR's recognition as a Socialist state, and instead I made the argument that it should be considered a Hijacked dictatorship. You also then tie in Marxism-Leninism as a sole argument against the entire left as which is just a fundamentally idiotic argument to make.
Here I can do the same, All of Rightism is a violent and dangerous ideological position, and while I agree with it too an extent, it's extremes have to be heavily regulated or simply censored. Look at Fascism, National Socialism, and Integralism for proof of concept, ideologies that led to the systematic eradication of millions; or perhaps the formation of major Corporate Oligarchies (and especially in 1860's America, "Political Machines") in the US on numerous occasions to the point that one company (the New York Custom House) collected tariffs on virtually every port in the nation, and was then able to lobby political candidates so it effectively controlled the democratic process.
You then further my own point against using the 1900's Socialist nations as an excuse to disparage the Left, by literally pointing out to me how the USSR maintained its influence, not through Ideology, but by quite literally puppeting everything close to it.
In the most blatent terms, my entire argument against you was not one of Ideology, but was that you not only used one Ideology to disparage an entire Ideological Wing, but how you equally used an ideology developed as a propaganda tool by a paranoid, border-line schizophrenic Totalitarian Dictator who came to power through political subversion and later, political purges.
Axeldonia
https://i.imgur.com/0VgpGVM.gif
Axeldonia
I didnt put the marxist-Lenin ideology as an argument i simply used the wikipedia to make it quicker with the definition of the party, i only always meant the stalinist communism, ironically i do actually think that marx wasnt bad and did have some good ideas but as we all know that failed extremely due to someone, i know that true communism never existed and that stalinism (USSR communism) wasnt real communism at all, also i do agree that some of my points are idiotic (thinking about a bit more) but well i already made my arguments and my stupid arguments already.
Andromitus
B-But lefties are all baby-eating maniacs! Fox news says so!
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