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http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/88/medieval-rp-chapter-2?page=2&scrollTo=932

this fantasy RP just became an insect dating sim

take that liberals

Jaslandia, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/88/medieval-rp-chapter-2?page=2&scrollTo=932

this fantasy RP just became an insect dating sim

take that liberals

That's most of our region.

Jaslandia

Every ideology someone in the COFN who follows it:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/452618617952010241/3ff.png

Sulania wrote:For the purposes of the poll, bisexuality is best defined as attraction within the two sexes of male and female.

Alright

The West Country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUUfG4QalC8

The West Country

Gualimole wrote:The West Country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUUfG4QalC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOBFj8jhS8

The West Country

Nuremgard wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOBFj8jhS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAPFDAfxBts

Nuremgard

Hello!

Percyton, The West Country

Gualimole wrote:The West Country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUUfG4QalC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714 - im not crying i just have water in my eyes

The West Country wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714 - im not crying i just have water in my eyes

I'm crying too. Out of horror. :P

The West Country

Kalaron wrote:My hope for the new game seriously is at rock bottom and I refuse to raise it until I see Bethesda abandon 90% of what they did in F-4. It doesn't help that it's supposedly being made by a new department, the act of which being mostly negative for games cough Andromeda cough

Fallout: NV was made by an entirely different studio and is arguably the best one of the modern series. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that new department = Andromeda-level disaster.

Unfallious wrote:Fallout: NV was made by an entirely different studio and is arguably the best one of the modern series. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that new department = Andromeda-level disaster.

F:NV was made by a continuation of Black Isle after a protracted legal battle, IIRC. They had experience with the material (Though not the gameplay, admittedly, they preformed admirably there) and were pretty heavily invested in not messing it up. F-76 has been handed to a new studio with the same fanfare as Andromeda. I'm quick to judge because I see a pattern here in game companies losing interest in quality IP and towards churning machines instead, sending their crews to different, "more important" games.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm crying too. Out of horror. :P

What time is it in post-WWI Britain? Time to force Iraqi MPs to support the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty, which would've given the British a significant amount of economic and military control over what would become a supposedly independent Iraq. British soldiers literally dragged out Iraqi MPs at night to vote in favor of the treaty, and many still voted against it regardless. Those people are true Iraqi heroes.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:What time is it in post-WWI Britain? Time to force Iraqi MPs to support the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty, which would've given the British a significant amount of economic and military control over what would become a supposedly independent Iraq. British soldiers literally dragged out Iraqi MPs at night to vote in favor of the treaty, and many still voted against it regardless. Those people are true Iraqi heroes.

Yeah but...rule Britannia? Britain is best? The empire did more good than bad? Etc. etc.

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah but...rule Britannia? Britain is best? The empire did more good than bad? Etc. etc.

"All those who are berating the British Empire need only look at what has happened in Africa now the British have left. A quick descent back into barbarism. It has once more become the dark continent."

Someone actually commented this.

Gualimole wrote:"All those who are berating the British Empire need only look at what has happened in Africa now the British have left. A quick descent back into barbarism. It has once more become the dark continent."

Someone actually commented this.

I can believe it. The British are particularly deluded about their empire and the role it played in human history. Many cannot bear the thought of the British being the "bad guys" and cannot stomach the fact that the British empire did awful things in its global conquest. They prefer to console themselves with "we gave Indians the railways" and "we brought civilisation to backward countries." There is this attitude of "they should be grateful we conquered them really, and things were better when we were in charge of them."

To offer a dissenting view on this rose=tinted viewpoint is to be accused of being anti-British, Britain-hating or a self-loathing Brit. It really is the worst kind of nationalism. And I say that as a nationalist.

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:I can believe it. The British are particularly deluded about their empire and the role it played in human history. Many cannot bear the thought of the British being the "bad guys" and cannot stomach the fact that the British empire did awful things in its global conquest. They prefer to console themselves with "we gave Indians the railways" and "we brought civilisation to backward countries." There is this attitude of "they should be grateful we conquered them really, and things were better when we were in charge of them."

To offer a dissenting view on this rose=tinted viewpoint is to be accused of being anti-British, Britain-hating or a self-loathing Brit. It really is the worst kind of nationalism. And I say that as a nationalist.

We have that same kind of nationalism in the US of A.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:We have that same kind of nationalism in the US of A.

Every country has its own nationalist idiots. Even on my own side in the Yes movement. I'm not very keen on the "the English oppress us" narrative. I absolutely believe that Scotland gets treated like a colony by Westminster but the idea that the English oppress us is laughable. It was idiot Scots (and a significant minority of other UK residents) that voted to remain in the UK the last time. That's not oppression, that's freely choosing to be ruled by your neighbour.

Ireland had its own cringe merchants and still does in fact. Just look at the sectarian little statelet in the north of the island to see that.

Nuremgard wrote:I can believe it. The British are particularly deluded about their empire and the role it played in human history. Many cannot bear the thought of the British being the "bad guys" and cannot stomach the fact that the British empire did awful things in its global conquest. They prefer to console themselves with "we gave Indians the railways" and "we brought civilisation to backward countries." There is this attitude of "they should be grateful we conquered them really, and things were better when we were in charge of them."

To offer a dissenting view on this rose=tinted viewpoint is to be accused of being anti-British, Britain-hating or a self-loathing Brit. It really is the worst kind of nationalism. And I say that as a nationalist.

You suggest this is a view that many people in Britain hold, especially British (civic) nationalists. I've never seen this view propagated at any level in the UK. Where have you seen this view expressed, bar the internet?

Lex Caledonia

The West Country wrote:You suggest this is a view that many people in Britain hold, especially British (civic) nationalists. I've never seen this view propagated at any level in the UK. Where have you seen this view expressed, bar the internet?

I've seen this imperialist mindset among May's government. This attitude that the EU should bend over backwards for the UK. How "they need us more than we need them" et al.

Nuremgard wrote:I've seen this imperialist mindset among May's government. This attitude that the EU should bend over backwards for the UK. How "they need us more than we need them" et al.

Well an imperialist mindset isn't really endorsing the Empire or what it did, nor do Tory backbenchers represent Britain that much mate. The only reason I point it out is I think it's unfair to make these generalisations in order to support your political position when there's little to no evidence for it, from my point of view. Regardless, anyone who thinks the Empire was 'good' is a moron, and their opinion remains the opinion of morons - not wider Britain.

Nuremgard

Things sure have changed while I was away from the region. So the DIPs have stopped? Shame, I really enjoyed them, and I learned a lot of things I didn't know before. I would ask Peng if the DIPs are coming back soon, but I haven't seen him here recently. I wonder what happened to him?

Would you be willing to carry on the DIPs, Mercunova? Even just occasionally would be nice.

Hoyva wrote:Hello!

Welcome to the region, Hoyva! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!

Nuremgard wrote:I can believe it. The British are particularly deluded about their empire and the role it played in human history. Many cannot bear the thought of the British being the "bad guys" and cannot stomach the fact that the British empire did awful things in its global conquest. They prefer to console themselves with "we gave Indians the railways" and "we brought civilisation to backward countries." There is this attitude of "they should be grateful we conquered them really, and things were better when we were in charge of them."

To offer a dissenting view on this rose=tinted viewpoint is to be accused of being anti-British, Britain-hating or a self-loathing Brit. It really is the worst kind of nationalism. And I say that as a nationalist.

I mean, I like railways, so I'm glad Britain brought railways to India. In fact, me and other engines even know a couple Indian engines (Rajiv and Ashima) from the Great Railway Show a few years back. It doesn't justify all the other terrible stuff Britain did to India, but it's still nice that India got railways.

Gualimole wrote:https://www.strawpoll.me/15817396

Have to answer 'asexual' on that one. We engines don't really have any sexual orientation. Some of us feel romantic orientation, but that's not what the question is about.

Also, the poll question has one of those 'I'm not a robot' questions, and I always feel conflicted answering those. Edward told me robots are very smart machines humans build that can do things humans tell them to do, and isn't that what us talking engines are? We're machines, we have 'in-tell-eh-gence', humans build us in a workshop, and we do things humans tell us to do. But I can answer questions like "Select all pictures with street signs" just fine, so does that make me not a robot? And to make things even more confusing, Thomas said robots don't have 'free will'. I'm not completely sure what 'free will' is, but it sounds like something I should want to have, so does this mean I have no 'free will'? On the other hand, Henry told me not even humans have 'free will', so how can us engines have it? It's all so confusing!

Thomas: What's the matter, Percy? Are you short-circuiting? Typical robot behavior.

Percy: Typical robot behavior? So I am a robot? Oh no!

Thomas: *laughs* Don't worry, Percy! I was only teasing you.

Percy: Oh, that's a relief. I was really worried for a second.

*Toby puffs into view*

Thomas: Besides, if anyone's a robot, it's Toby. I mean, how else could a wooden shed move on the rails? Especially at his age. *laughs*

Toby: You know, I'm technically younger than Percy, and I'm about the same age as you Thomas, so your crack doesn't really work.

Thomas: Bother!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

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https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=867432

updated the factbook

Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia, The West Country

Gualimole wrote:Every ideology someone in the COFN who follows it:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/452618617952010241/3ff.png

I approve

Jaslandia, Percyton, Cesorion, Midasia

Currently the biggest Retail industry in this region as of this post!

Jaslandia, Percyton

Well Confederacy, I made it, despite your predilections.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/453032606414405652/fdd1148764423fe9.jpg

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Cesorion, Midasia, The West Country

Gualimole wrote:Well Confederacy, I made it, despite your predilections.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/453032606414405652/fdd1148764423fe9.jpg

I thought Nuremgard would be more left than that.

Nuremgard wrote:I thought Nuremgard would be more left than that.

The compass was for the views of the people controlling the nations, not the nations themselves.

Gualimole wrote:Well Confederacy, I made it, despite your predilections.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/453032606414405652/fdd1148764423fe9.jpg

And what is... IT .. precisely?

Also, I got your TG Unfallious. I'm considering on joining, but am studying the medieval times just to make sure I don't... well.. bust things. I'll be making a rough draft factbook of what I'm thinking of..

Jaslandia, Unfallious, Axeldonia, Percyton

Gualimole wrote:The compass was for the views of the people controlling the nations, not the nations themselves.

Ah, I see. I'm surprisingly centrist according to you.

The West Country

Russkov Soviet wrote:And what is... IT .. precisely?

Also, I got your TG Unfallious. I'm considering on joining, but am studying the medieval times just to make sure I don't... well.. bust things. I'll be making a rough draft factbook of what I'm thinking of..

Softcore furry porn.

Nuremgard wrote:Ah, I see. I'm surprisingly centrist according to you.

You are a social democrat, so you are center to center-left.

Russkov Soviet

Gualimole wrote:Softcore furry porn.

Wouldn't be surprised... given my species...

Gualimole

So, Unf… What does the application require? This way I can plan my kingdom.

Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:So, Unf… What does the application require? This way I can plan my kingdom.

I'm not Unf, but the application is on the offsite forum.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/post/148/thread

And welcome aboard the Medieval RP, Russ!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:I'm not Unf, but the application is on the offsite forum.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/post/148/thread

And welcome aboard the Medieval RP, Russ!

Thank you Percy! Any help is appreciated and you've proven Really Useful once again!

Jaslandia, Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:Thank you Percy! Any help is appreciated and you've proven Really Useful once again!

Thank you, Russ! Always happy to help!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Alright! Time to get to work on the... … …..I still need to think of something... >_<

Jaslandia

Russkov Soviet wrote:Alright! Time to get to work on the... … …..I still need to think of something... >_<

You don't neccesarily have to confine yourself to a medeival society. Mine's more in the renaissance era and Andy's got something similar to anicent egypt. As long as you don't use trains/firearms, you're good.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, The West Country

Gualimole wrote:Softcore furry porn.

You are a social democrat, so you are center to center-left.

I thought I’d be further down, but cool graphic nonetheless

Axeldonia wrote:You don't neccesarily have to confine yourself to a medeival society. Mine's more in the renaissance era and Andy's got something similar to anicent egypt. As long as you don't use trains/firearms, you're good.

I think I've got something, but I need to do a bit of testing to see if it will work.

Axeldonia

Gualimole wrote:Well Confederacy, I made it, despite your predilections.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430256739473162240/453032606414405652/fdd1148764423fe9.jpg

That 4th most Libertarian and pretty left wing, interesting.

And here I thought I was a false leftist.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Good day everyone!

Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscIgtDJFXg

The Chancellor's Public Schedule [I]4 June 2018[/I]

(All times Eastern. Subject to change.)

16:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly meeting with the Vice Chancellor

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Seems I have highest Rudeness and second highest Agriculture sector as well.

I am collecting information about your preferred drinking water temperature so that I can then sell it to Cambridge Analytica.

https://www.strawpoll.me/15833992

Nuremgard

The three pillars of the nationalism ofSagrada Iberia: party, church and monarchy.

Nuremgard wrote:The three pillars of the nationalism ofSagrada Iberia: party, church and monarchy.

I would like to visit Sagrada Iberia'S one day.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:I would like to visit Sagrada Iberia'S one day.

I don't think you'd like it very much.

The West Country

Nuremgard wrote:I don't think you'd like it very much.

I know. It's nowhere.

If the government had the will and spine to do it, should it stop Brexit? Why/why not?

Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:If the government had the will and spine to do it, should it stop Brexit? Why/why not?

Yes, Brexit would be terrible for British business and could lead to the break up of the UK. No, Brexit could lead to an independent Scotland, if the Scottish government and people desire it.

Nuremgard

Midasia wrote:Yes, Brexit would be terrible for British business and could lead to the break up of the UK. No, Brexit could lead to an independent Scotland, if the Scottish government and people desire it.

What about protests by those crying it's the "will of the people" and "what about the referendum?"

Midasia

Nuremgard wrote:What about protests by those crying it's the "will of the people" and "what about the referendum?"

The referendum was non-binding, so the "will of the people" doesn't really matter in this situation. It's Parliament's final vote on the matter that really matters.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:What about protests by those crying it's the "will of the people" and "what about the referendum?"

If it went the other way, people voted to remain, yet nobody wanted it - people would cry about will of the people. Regardless of whether it really was legally binding, they didn't explain it and everyone including the politicians who made the referendum themselves approached it as if it was. To go against it would be political suicide. The will of people doesn't apply just when people want it to, and it works vice-versa.

Nuremgard, Mercunova

The West Country wrote:If it went the other way, people voted to remain, yet nobody wanted it - people would cry about the will of the people. Regardless of whether it really was legally binding, they didn't explain it and everyone including the politicians who made the referendum themselves approached it as if it was. To go against it would be political suicide. The will of people doesn't apply just when people want it to, and it works vice-versa.

If people are seemingly regretting the decision made in regards to Brexit, then why not organize a second referendum on the final deal made or after the deadline for the final deal?

Nuremgard

The West Country wrote:If it went the other way, people voted to remain, yet nobody wanted it - people would cry about will of the people. Regardless of whether it really was legally binding, they didn't explain it and everyone including the politicians who made the referendum themselves approached it as if it was. To go against it would be political suicide. The will of people doesn't apply just when people want it to, and it works vice-versa.

It would be political suicide but is stopping Brexit the right thing to do? The referendum was indeed non-binding.

Gualimole wrote:If people are seemingly regretting the decision made in regards to Brexit, then why not organize a second referendum on the final deal made or after the deadline for the final deal?

That's a decent idea but the UK government is so incompetent and idiotic that some think walking away with no deal is a good idea. And there is also intransigence on the UK side with the Irish border.

Nuremgard wrote:It would be political suicide but is stopping Brexit the right thing to do? The referendum was indeed non-binding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)

Nuremgard wrote:That's a decent idea but the UK government is so incompetent and idiotic that some think walking away with no deal is a good idea. And there is also intransigence on the UK side with the Irish border.

But are the Tories really willing to go out with no deal? I thought May and British business were pro-Remain. Why did this shift occur?

Gualimole wrote:If people are seemingly regretting the decision made in regards to Brexit, then why not organize a second referendum on the final deal made or after the deadline for the final deal?

People are, but not everyone. You don't understand how stoic Brits can be, a lot of people think they have made the right decision regardless of the bad effects, and that we should just strap on the helmet and keep going. Some are just happy they got what they wanted, enjoying the control of our own borders over the success of our economy. The Liberal Democrats have said they would do a second, legally binding referendum - but they won't get enough votes for many reasons (including they're the only pro-Europe party), and no major party including Labour support a second one. Assuming that the whole country is regretting it is narrowing it down a bit more.

Continental Commonwealths

Gualimole wrote:But are the Tories really willing to go out with no deal? I thought May and British business were pro-Remain. Why did this shift occur?

May is being held to ransom by a small cabal of hardcore Brexiteers led by Jacob Rees-Mogg who are demanding the UK crash out with no deal. She is too much of a spineless coward to oppose them.

Gualimole

The West Country wrote:People are, but not everyone. You don't understand how stoic Brits can be, a lot of people think they have made the right decision regardless of the bad effects, and that we should just strap on the helmet and keep going. Some are just happy they got what they wanted, enjoying the control of our own borders over the success of our economy. The Liberal Democrats have said they would do a second, legally binding referendum - but they won't get enough votes for many reasons (including they're the only pro-Europe party), and no major party including Labour support a second one. Assuming that the whole country is regretting it is narrowing it down a bit more.

They have so much control over their own borders they don't want to put a border up in Northern Ireland, thus allowing anyone and their dog into Britain.

#BrexitLogic

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:It would be political suicide but is stopping Brexit the right thing to do? The referendum was indeed non-binding.

It is my opinion that stopping it is the right thing to do, but that is completely arbitrary man - what is considered "right" depends on the person, and ironically, there is no right definition of 'right in this context.

Gualimole wrote:But are the Tories really willing to go out with no deal? I thought May and British business were pro-Remain. Why did this shift occur?

They're the party of Brexit, it's their sh*t job, it's their's to clean up, May knows this and knows the integrity of her party relies on her keeping going. If she backs out, the backbenchers get angry, the voters get angry, the Tories lose ground and they become another Liberal Democrats.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:They have so much control over their own borders they don't want to put a border up in Northern Ireland, thus allowing anyone and their dog into Britain.

#BrexitLogic

The issue is a bit more complicated than that, and there are more solutions offered than simply 'no border'.

The West Country wrote:People are, but not everyone. You don't understand how stoic Brits can be, a lot of people think they have made the right decision regardless of the bad effects, and that we should just strap on the helmet and keep going. Some are just happy they got what they wanted, enjoying the control of our own borders over the success of our economy. The Liberal Democrats have said they would do a second, legally binding referendum - but they won't get enough votes for many reasons (including they're the only pro-Europe party), and no major party including Labour support a second one. Assuming that the whole country is regretting it is narrowing it down a bit more.

I don't think that Labour is anti-Europe. I think they've just adapted to the political reality of Brexit, and they sure as hell are better on the issue when compared to the Tories.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:They have so much control over their own borders they don't want to put a border up in Northern Ireland, thus allowing anyone and their dog into Britain.

#BrexitLogic

House party in Ireland- bring your dogs!

The West Country wrote:The issue is a bit more complicated than that, and there are more solutions offered than simply 'no border'.

I know the EU has a backup clause in place just in case the UK government has no practical solutions. Thank God there are some adults in the room.

The West Country wrote:It is my opinion that stopping it is the right thing to do, but that is completely arbitrary man - what is considered "right" depends on the person, and ironically, there is no right definition of 'right in this context.

They're the party of Brexit, it's their sh*t job, it's their's to clean up, May knows this and knows the integrity of her party relies on her keeping going. If she backs out, the backbenchers get angry, the voters get angry, the Tories lose ground and they become another Liberal Democrats.

Love how the media is trying to distribute the blame to Labour and Corbyn as well, as if Brexit is a failure of the Opposition. Nah. The Tories own Brexit. They just want to be able to blame Labour the next time they are out of power. Just like how they blame Labour for the 2008 crash.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:House party in Ireland- bring your dogs!

More like bring your Orange sashes, drums and flutes.

The West Country wrote:The issue is a bit more complicated than that, and there are more solutions offered than simply 'no border'.

I've heard of the Tories proposing things like a "smart border" or a "frictionless border". What is the difference between a "smart border" and "no border"?

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:I've heard of the Tories proposing things like a "smart border" or a "frictionless border". What is the difference between a "smart border" and "no border"?

They don't know. They think technology exists which can man a border with no human presence whatsoever. They're living in Lala Land.

Nuremgard wrote:I know the EU has a backup clause in place just in case the UK government has no practical solutions. Thank God there are some adults in the room.

Love how the media is trying to distribute the blame to Labour and Corbyn as well, as if Brexit is a failure of the Opposition. Nah. The Tories own Brexit. They just want to be able to blame Labour the next time they are out of power. Just like how they blame Labour for the 2008 crash.

I haven't really seen the media attribute Corbyn and Labour the blame for the entirety of Brexit or the 2008 Financial Crisis. In fact, regarding the latter, I have absolutely never in my life seen that suggested and it's not even hearsay to be able to accurately say what actually caused it. Where do you get these ideas from man?

The West Country wrote:I haven't really seen the media attribute Corbyn and Labour the blame for the entirety of Brexit or the 2008 Financial Crisis. In fact, regarding the latter, I have absolutely never in my life seen that suggested and it's not even hearsay to be able to accurately say what actually caused it. Where do you get these ideas from man?

I guess I spend too much time on comment forums. But trust me, there are people who legitimately blame Corbyn and Labour for Brexit. It's just yet another excuse to smear the guy.

Nuremgard wrote:I guess I spend too much time on comment forums. But trust me, there are people who legitimately blame Corbyn and Labour for Brexit. It's just yet another excuse to smear the guy.

And it doesn't help that the media constantly smear him, which isn't surprising when you consider that British media is owned by a handful of large corporations whose interests are not in a genuinely left-wing government. Imagine how different things would be if the workers owned the media.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Gualimole wrote:And it doesn't help that the media constantly smear him, which isn't surprising when you consider that British media is owned by a handful of large corporations whose interests are not in a genuinely left-wing government. Imagine how different things would be if the workers owned the media.

Not all media does. I think we have a nice selection so you can view ones that aren't anti-Labour. Also, I think the BBC is close enough to a neutral media source, it does fantastic work and regardless of their faults is on the whole a great institution.

Gualimole wrote:And it doesn't help that the media constantly smear him, which isn't surprising when you consider that British media is owned by a handful of large corporations whose interests are not in a genuinely left-wing government. Imagine how different things would be if the workers owned the media.

Or even if we just had a balanced or unbiased media. But apparently having most news outlets skewed to the right is a "free press" and if you criticise that, you clearly want to live in Venezuela.

This is a new talking point for Cons in the UK now. They accuse Corbyn, a mildly left of centre social democrat, that he is an evil communist hellbent on turning Britain into Venezuela.

Axeldonia

The West Country wrote:Not all media does. I think we have a nice selection so you can view ones that aren't anti-Labour. Also, I think the BBC is close enough to a neutral media source, it does fantastic work and regardless of their faults is on the whole a great institution.

Yeah I'm not gonna' touch that one lol. You know my feelings on Auntie.

Nuremgard wrote:Or even if we just had a balanced or unbiased media. But apparently having most news outlets skewed to the right is a "free press" and if you criticise that, you clearly want to live in Venezuela.

This is a new talking point for Cons in the UK now. They accuse Corbyn, a mildly left of centre social democrat, that he is an evil communist hellbent on turning Britain into Venezuela.

Around 70 percent of Venezuela's economy is privately owned and 80 percent of Venezuelans work in the private sector, which isn't that extreme when you consider how 83 percent of Brits work in the private sector.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah I'm not gonna' touch that one lol. You know my feelings on Auntie.

We've had the discussion before, regardless - and we managed to conclude that it's the best we've got, but not the best it can be overall. I'd much rather our situation than America's or any other country for that matter. I'd love to work for the BBC.

Gualimole wrote:Around 70 percent of Venezuela's economy is privately owned and 80 percent of Venezuelans work in the private sector, which isn't that extreme when you consider how 83 percent of Brits work in the private sector.

Yeah but....socialism? Communism? Bueller?

The West Country wrote:We've had the discussion before, regardless - and we managed to conclude that it's the best we've got, but not the best it can be overall. I'd much rather our situation than America's or any other country for that matter. I'd love to work for the BBC.

I still say the BBC should be paid through voluntary subscription.

Nuremgard wrote:Or even if we just had a balanced or unbiased media. But apparently having most news outlets skewed to the right is a "free press" and if you criticise that, you clearly want to live in Venezuela.

This is a new talking point for Cons in the UK now. They accuse Corbyn, a mildly left of centre social democrat, that he is an evil communist hellbent on turning Britain into Venezuela.

He may describe himself as a social democrat but he isn't really a mild centre-leftist lol

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah but....socialism? Communism? Bueller?

Ferris Bueller's Day Off has a score of 81 percent on Rotton Tomatoes, which is one percentage point greater than the number of Venezuelans who work in the private sector.

Nuremgard

The West Country wrote:He may describe himself as a social democrat but he isn't really a mild centre-leftist lol

Supporting the nationalization of basic utilities, opposing austerity, and supporting cooperatives don't seem too extremist to me. Those were all things that social democrats in the 70s supported. But who knows, maybe I am so far to the left that everyone else on the left look my moderates to me.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

The West Country wrote:He may describe himself as a social democrat but he isn't really a mild centre-leftist lol

Leftist then. And that's what scares the establishment so much.

Gualimole wrote:Supporting the nationalization of basic utilities, opposing austerity, and supporting cooperatives don't seem too extremist to me. Those were all things that social democrats in the 70s supported. But who knows, maybe I am so far to the left that everyone else on the left look my moderates to me.

Anything vaguely left-wing is considered Stalinist these days in god ole Blighty.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Anything vaguely left-wing is considered Stalinist these days in god ole Blighty.

Blame Blair and New Labour.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:Blame Blair and New Labour.

God, I hate that man.

Axeldonia, The West Country

Nuremgard wrote:Leftist then. And that's what scares the establishment so much.

Yeah I mean he's a political outsider, that's why.

Nuremgard wrote:God, I hate that man.

But Labour's shift to the right was inspired by the political success of Thatcher, so she's even worse.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

The West Country wrote:Yeah I mean he's a political outsider, that's why.

He's not my cup of tea but I'd pick him over the old witch any day.

Gualimole wrote:But Labour's shift to the right was inspired by the political success of Thatcher, so she's even worse.

I heard that Thatcher apparently said her greatest achievement was New Labour. Like any good working class boy, I inherited my hatred of Thatcher and the Conservatives from my parents and grandparents.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:He's not my cup of tea but I'd pick him over the old witch any day.

Same man, I'm certainly voting for him.

Nuremgard

The West Country wrote:Same man, I'm certainly voting for him.

He's all you've got unfortunately.

Nuremgard wrote:He's all you've got unfortunately.

I think Vince Cable is a good choice, but people won't go for Lib Dems.

Nuremgard wrote:I heard that Thatcher apparently said her greatest achievement was New Labour. Like any good working class boy, I inherited my hatred of Thatcher and the Conservatives from my parents and grandparents.

BTW, didn't you say that your parents were Liberal Democrats?

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The West Country wrote:I think Vince Cable is a good choice, but people won't go for Lib Dems.

If the Liberal Party and the Social Democratic Party didn't merge, which party would you support?

The West Country wrote:I think Vince Cable is a good choice, but people won't go for Lib Dems.

I know I wouldn't. Not after they jumped into bed with the Tories for the coalition. Shame. The Lib Dems were a respectable third choice before that.

Gualimole wrote:BTW, didn't you say that your parents were Liberal Democrats?

No. My dad doesn't like politics and never voted. My mum voted Labour all her life until she switched to the SNP after the independence referendum.

Nuremgard wrote:No. My dad doesn't like politics and never voted. My mum voted Labour all her life until she switched to the SNP after the independence referendum.

Neither of my parents have ever voted. BTW, I was able to vote in my first election yesterday. However, the polls are not opening until June 6th. I was able to vote early due to the ballot being sent in the mail.

Nuremgard

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