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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Here you are:
http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/index/
:)
You're a gentleman and a scholar, my dear Peng
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Yeah.
Penguania And Antarctica
What do you mean by scholar ?
It was more asking like: "what do you mean?"
Oh. I mean like what are ya gonna do?
Penguania And Antarctica
Well, I was doing okay as MoI until I fücked it up with that referendum. ---> Reputation: -100
I don't know. I don't plan to run for office for now (or forever). I don't think there is much for me to do here. So I guess, I'll just sit down in my rocking chair and wait till someone remembers me and says 'hey! you were that penguin guy, right?'. :)
Why the new forums?
Penguania And Antarctica
Lmao. You don't give your self enough credit, but i'll remember you,
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
The owner is Lat and Lat has left us
Yukona
I've entered a request to the Supreme Court to invalidate the previous referendum and order a new one as I believe the issue at hand is one well within their jurisdiction.
I don't think it's proper to have a referendum to decide whether we'll have a referendum. Hopefully the Supreme Court can come to a decision more expediently than the regional poll (and with more validity, in my opinion).
I ask that the Chief Justice assemble the Court and consider the request
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/6/request-constitutional-referendum-invalidated
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona
Well, I'm a humble person.
(You must explain to me at some point what this 'lmao' people use so often means.)
Laughing My A$s Off.
It's a way for people to say that something is funny
Penguania And Antarctica
It's a short version of saying "laughing my aß off".
There are also variants like lmfao which means "laughing my fûcking ass off". Finally, there's a gag variant that showed up on family guy: "lmpfao", which is more making fun of the German language than having any real meaning.
Penguania And Antarctica
Don't you dare forget my beloved ROFLMAO. >:(
Penguania And Antarctica
Aha.
*cracks knuckles*
So, [nation=short]Oelesa[/nation], you laughing about what I just wrote, yeah ?
jk
Comedy +2
Reputation +1
Cringe +3 (Knuckle Crack. Sorry, Peng.)
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Why are you sorry ?
For giving the cringe points
Penguania And Antarctica
Oh okay.
Good night friends. Love you all. <3
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Aldwood
Nighty night
Jaslandia, Oelesa
I think we should have done a check of the roster to ensure compliance before we hit the ground running, but I'm liking the expediency.
By my analysis, South Hyder and Carjuanga no longer reside nor have a registered puppet in the region at the time the referendum opened, and therefore should not be deemed citizens.
Those are the only infractions I'm aware of.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland
Yeah, another boring week for the region.
I'll be watching Netflix and walking my dog. If any needs me message on discord for fast reply.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Welp, I encourage everyone to support Vist'a constitution. That's my one liner on the issue.
Conversely, I encourage everyone to support Unf's constitution.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona
#Triggered
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
#Equality4TheJudiciary
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
#NoOPexecutiebranch
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Executive*
Oelesa
#JudiciaryCanStopOPExecutive
#SupremeCourtMostRespectedDecision
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
#Imightactuallywanttogetcommunityfeedbackandeditmybillwithoutreproposingit
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
#MaybeYouCanAskTheSpeakerToLetYouEditItDuh
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
#NotinUnf'sifyouactuallyreadit
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
"Bills proposed to Parliament are considered to be static at the moment of their proposal. No changes beyond grammatical, spelling or minor structural edits can be made to a bill once it has been proposed. These edits can only be made at the discretion of the Speaker"
So If I make a misspelling, I have to waste time TGing the speaker. But if I want to even make the slightest non-grammatical change in a section, I gotta re-propose.
Oelesa
Not gonna lie, if Unf's const. passes I will immediately draft an amendment t change the section I just quoted.
Oelesa
Oh wow, it must be so tiring to have to re-propose a bill!
Oelesa
Yeah, because it's actually undemocratic to change a proposed bill after voting has opened because people who have previously voted for it may not be aware of the change before voting closes, therefore usurping their vote.
#Lawyered
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Welp, if I'm on the last day on voting an a big issue is suddenly discovered, fvck me, gotta waste more days. Not to mention, I don't know of any modern country that actually has important sway, that uses this system.
Oelesa
#StopRiders2017
Oelesa
Don't make a mistake then. Read your bills before you propose them. That is a needed section to stop proposers from acquiring votes and then changing the scope of their bill before it passes.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona
Legally speaking, as long as you inform the people who already voted of the change and allow them to e-vote, it's fine. #Lawyeredx2
Oelesa
Right? I guess every known democracy has been doing it wrong all along...
Friedensreich, Oelesa
Or, ya know, just make them inform everyone of the change like common sense would dictate..?
Oelesa
I forgot I'm god himself, thanks for reminding me btw.
Oelesa
No because in modern countries you don't propose bills with bloody spelling mistakes in them, it's unheard of. In fact this system is used in all countries because you can't edit any bill once it's been proposed except through amendments.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona
The discussion has already been had.... so what if irl governments don't use what our fictional government has?
You can repropose a bill any time, there's no limit to the number of bills on the floor
#IfYouActuallyReadItYouWouldHaveSeenThat
Oelesa
ACTUALLY, several congressional bills have made it even past the committee stage and onto voting with errors numerous times.
Oelesa
That's ridiculous. a) People are not on NationStates 24/7. b) Your constitution doesn't provide the exact safeguard you suggested.
In the simplest terms possible: Under Unf's constitution, votes can't be usurped. Under yours, they can.
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Oelesa, Yukona
Yeah let's just rest on the good will of members to not abuse systems when we could easily just codify a procedure.
Yeah I forgot you have to be a deity to write 3 sections without a typo and to proofread.
Oelesa
Still, it will discourage people who aren't experts in the region from proposing legislation.
Oelesa
????
No it won't. If you bill has errors in it that come from lack of knowledge of the region then you literally shouldn't be proposing bills you should read the Constitution. If your bill has a spelling errors in it then just edit it and then tell the speaker you did so, like it's a tiny bit of extra effort to stop people literally defrauding members of their votes.
Oelesa
I would understand that sentiment if there was no way a bill could be replaced or even reproposed. But, there is.
There is no limit on the number of bills on the floor at any time: "V. There is to be no limit on the number of MPs or pieces of legislature on the floor at one time."
In all forms of technicality, this also covers repropoals, amendments of existing laws, etc.
Oelesa
At the risk of safeguarding against citizens' original votes being used to support legislation they didn't intend to vote for post-edit.
Yeah, we're the boobs. 🙄
Oelesa
Then maybe the citizens can be literate and read the bill once or twice after voting, ensuring they aren't being cheated :O
Oelesa
Or maybe proposers can be literate and not make spelling errors in the wording of their bills that are supposedly so cumbersome that they don't have any energy left over to propose them twice.
Friedensreich, Oelesa
I'm fairly certain by your post that you have no comprehension of what we're discussing.
Hey guys, remember that time that Vista's appointed Judiciary proposal almost led to someone serving on the highest court in the land who didn't believe that mismanagement of our voter roster should warrant a re-vote? I remember.
Oelesa
Everybody makes a mistake. And next time your propose a bill, or one of your heavy supports does, and has an error I'm rubbing this post in your face.
Oelesa
You* <Point proven
Oelesa
If you have enough energy in ya to write the bill in the first place, is it really too much work to copy and paste the existing bill, edit it, and repropose it?
Oelesa
*Despite voting aye to fix that said issue*
Oelesa, Kalaron
Yeah go ahead, rub my nose in it and I'll ignore it as I edit the spelling and shoot a telegram to the speaker in the time it takes you to make a smug post >.>
Oelesa, Yukona
Or even have some of your fellow citizens do a once over, given that you're trying to get buy in for it to pass anyways?
I can't believe that we're arguing over the importance of editing.
Oelesa
Still, it proves my point. People can make errors, despite numerous grammatical checks, especially with larger documents.
Oelesa
It proves your point but somehow it doesn't make your argument of 'lets sacrifice this safeguard because I can't be bothered' any more convincing
Oelesa
Not sure if you're talking about me or not, because I was going to take up the offer to be on the court before this all started again :P
Oelesa
By the time you switched your vote, you were one of two people still voting against a re-vote. Forgive me if I don't consider that a glowing recommendation of your legal acumen.
Oelesa
I don't even think it should be sacrificed. Some of its good. I just think it gives a better learning curve, especially with how up front and frank the community can be.
Oelesa
Yeah.... let's talk about how Unf's constitution allows for a democratically elected cabinet and an equal Judiciary instead! :P
Oelesa
Pardon me for looking at both sides *shrug*.
Oelesa
No, I was referring to Per. If you got back to the RMB around 4pm EDT, I believe.
Oelesa
Hey I can change the wording of my bill to include things my supporters don't know about but thank god I don't have to proofread
Oelesa
Uh, Vista's has a a elected cabinet as well?
Vista Major, Friedensreich, Oelesa
The operative word is and, babe ;P
Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland
I've looked at both sides of the American Civil War.
I didn't get a tattoo of the Confederate battle standard before I decided to even glance at the Union's position. 😂
Oelesa
I'd also like to request we remove Vista's constitution from the WFE because it grants the implication that it is the current constitution.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
lowkey been seriously considering adding Vista to the extremely tiny list of people that i block receiving telegrams from bc I'm really annoyed with all the telegrams over the past several days
Vista Major, Friedensreich, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Why must you be such a d!ck. I'm getting really god damn pissed at this now. I looked at the evidence for the other side, decided they had the better view, and changed my mind on a decision that didn't require a split second decision.
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Oi, if you guys want a real confederate government.................................
I can propose a third constitution option ;)
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Second.
Friedensreich, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Please don't get that inflamed, it's really not worth it over something like this, and rude language -or frankly, snarky comments from anyone- don't really help debates.
That said, I personally just think that the Speaker should hold the power to edit bills and have a separate Gmail account for it, I'm honestly sick of clicking to read a bill and seeing that it's in the trashbin.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Ok so I'd also like to point out that in Vista's constitution in the last section it grants the 'RP council' official Constitutional recognition as the sole authority on roleplay and it's guidelines. Under that constitution I would not be able to fully produce an independent Medieval RP like I'm planning because it would still be under the jurisdiction of that council (not that I have anything against Bax and Kal, it's just the medieval thing is my own thing). I think that's really quite bad, to be honest.
Vista Major, Oelesa, Yukona
I just don't want the government itself involved, because people seem not to like that.
Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland
Truth be told, if Vista's const is voted for, then I'm going to write a an amendment to kill it.
"Ain't no daggum govment gon get in RP"
Unfallious, Oelesa
I do apologize if my attempt at comic relief has upset you. I just very much disagreed with your position yesterday, and I worry that you would come to similar decisions if you were in a position of power over the region's legal administration. I see this as a merit of the electoral system versus an appointment system, of which the former is in Unf's proposal and the latter is in Vista's proposal.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Or you could just not regulate it at all
Vista Major, Oelesa, Yukona
Ain't you gubment doe if you be a Mod?
Oelesa, Yukona
I am sorry that I've harbored resentment towards you and others. This entire situation has turned me into Bobomb Vista; I'll blow at any moment.
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Oelesa
Grab your bayonets, boyos- we found ourselves a Kingsman!
But seriously, I discussed this with Kal over the RMB a few days ago and it seems that if your RP does not influence the structure of the map managed by Bax, Bax and Kal are not automatically mods of the RP unless specifically asked by both parties.
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona
Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
The United Providences Of Perland
I've had me fill of legal debating, time for me to finish that damned factbook about the IWA for the RP that i've been putting off forever
Vista Major
#UnfsConstitution
Yukona
^
While Mods are generally accepted as being respectable and knowledgeable people, so long as the RP doesn't affect the map we don't really get involved unless asked. That said, it is generally accepted that if one of us says something, it probably has some reasoning behind it. Like how I gave a running commentary on the Andy RP.
Yeah, I've given up on writing more about it. Not much more info is necessary until it actually starts operating in the RP.
.................... I've been gone WAY too long.
In preparation for my Q&A this week, I've put together of Factbook of some the more obvious questions, and questions which I've already been asked. All future Q&As will also go into the Factbook, and you're still free to ask for more information about a given question at any time.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=percyton/detail=factbook/id=849882
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I've been away boys don't panic I'll get everything sorted tonight
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
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