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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
It will not be a war as such. Rather a mutual annihilation.
Yeah I'd rather NATO go in and sort North Korea out then have a tin pot dictatorship wield nuclear weapons over its people as they starve and as political 'dissidents' get put into concentration camps. They are a threat to world stability and we either act now or the future generations of North Koreans will suffer the same threat. The Kim family is essentially keeping an entire nation has hostage as they have a little power trip, now they've had their fun and games. We should also try and cooperate with China, maybe compromise, I don't know how - but something has to be done. And before comparisons to Trump are made, it's irrelevant. This problem pre-dates and will continue to arise well after his presidency. If you think he's a fascist, check out Juche.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM8ix0siRVQ
The North Korean Strategic Rocket force is definitely not advanced enough to hit United States mainland. Perhaps they could hit Japan at an absolute stretch, but I highly doubt they will be accurate enough and they will definitely not get past the joint Japanese-US-ROK air defence. I say we put boots on the ground and show the Kims a bit of the cold steel.
And how do you plan to co-operate with China while overthrowing the North Korean regime when NK is allies with China?
Give them Russia.
You say you want boots on the ground in NK.
Okay then. You first.
Not mutual, I think. North Korea still doesn't have the capacity to strike the U.S. homeland; at best, their missiles could hit Guam or some other far-off place, which I wouldn't call 'annihilation'. However, North Korea could still put up a good fight out of sheer desperation, so who knows how many casualties there will be? And that's just the war itself; rebuilding North Korea and re-integrating it into South Korea will be a tremendous problem that both South Korea and the U.S. will have to deal with for quite some time. I'm no expert, but I think it'd be safe to say the rebuilding of North Korea would be much longer than our rebuilding efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJNQZ_fot0A
People need to liberate themselves because they often take outside liberators for conquerors. And they're usually right.
Even China is distancing themselves from North Korea at this point, although the two countries are still formally allied. I don't expect China to help the U.S. in a North Korean war, but at the same time, I don't expect China to come to North Korea's aid either. China might want some sort of new buffer state in North Korea's place, or it might want to be involved in the occupation of North Korea so it can spread Chinese influence, but that won't come until after the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LonKGuS9uuQ
Or Korea could be unified once more and ruled from Seoul.
Yeah, because the North Koreans have been extensively brainwashed and live under the fear of the regime. You have South Korea, a fully democratic and sovereign state of ethnic Koreans ready to welcome them with open arms. Obviously there will be a huge level of resistance because of said brainwashing but alas, it's an entirely different situation.
Jaslandia
It's hard to liberate yourself when you and all your neighbors are starving. A more well-off middle class person could turn the starving rabble of North Korea into a revolution, but I'm not sure if North Korea has much of a middle class outside the government bureaucracy.
Aghrabia, Yukona
Aye, it's a sh!tty situation.
Jaslandia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkTmnJkAN8
"Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it." - Pericles
Nuremgard
True.
Jaslandia
I'm not an expert in international politics. I just don't want our soldiers away fighting yet another f*cking war.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
That would be best, but China wouldn't like that, especially since it would mean a strategic and ideological rival on their border. Plus, Seoul would have the very difficult task of re-integrating North Korea, so they'd probably need U.S. help in some way.
I feel ya, and I'm not eager for war either. I say we either wait for North Korea to implode on itself (due to China completely abandoning it, popular unrest, government instability, etc) and then we clean up the wreckage, or we just keep the status quo until North Korea becomes a true threat to the rest of the world (i.e. they get ICBMs or other powerful nukes).
China is only nominally communist. In terms of their economic policy, they're capitalist.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Yukona
That's what they're there for. Unfortunately, war is sometimes necessary. Some people I wouldn't say can't understand that, they don't want to. It's horrible, but it's absolutely true. Just wars do exist.
I'd like to think that other countries would disband their nukes after all the "dangerous" ones have. But then again, probably not, since it's only okay for the "good guys" like the US, UK etc. to have nukes.
I know that's what they are there for but I don't see them as cannon fodder that we can just toss away in a great game. Politicians seem to think the army is their personal plaything. Easy for them and others to talk big when they'll be the ones sitting at home like big sh!tebags while the soldiers go out and do the real fighting.
They're better than Iran and North Korea. Ultimately, there is no "good", but in a world where there is and there will be nukes, I'd rather us than them.
Well, more like state capitalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
But by 'ideological', I'm not just referring to 'capitalism vs. communism', but also disputes over strategic influence (China vs. United States and her allies), forms of governments (authoritarianism vs. democracy), and general worldview.
I'd rather nobody have them. But if you want them, you take them. Put them in the Thames.
No nukes would be great, and I think a lot of people would agree to that, but for it to work, every country that currently has nukes would have to get rid of them, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
Aghrabia
China is the great power in the east the same way the US is the great power in the west. They counterbalance each other.
Although they're not cannon fodder in a great game. So you'd rather all our politicians go out and fight the war? Yeah, that'd be great. It's like complaining a good manager doesn't do all your work for you - I don't get it. Of course, they should be reluctant for war (and they haven't been in the past) but it's like saying "I like space", "OH YOU DO, WHY DONT YOU GO TO SPACE THEN?". It just doesn't make sense. This isn't a political game (obviously that's a dimension of it, as is everything most people do), it's dealing with the quality of life of these people. If Northern Scotland cut itself off from the South and started a famine, then putting complainants in concentration camps - I think it'd be a good idea that they stop that ASAP. Don't you?
Aghrabia
And, Nuremgard, what if that nation were to be supported financially and militarily by the British. How does it feel now, pal?
Aghrabia
I'm not saying politicians should go out and fight wars. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of many war-hungry people who themselves have never experienced war. I'm sorry for not wanting to send our servicemen and women off to die in some foreign land. Jesus.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia
Atrocities go on all over the world every day. Do you want the army to intervene in every single one of them?
I want someone to help out, yeah. Does Boko Haram have ballistic missiles and threaten to launch them at a Gambian city every day?
Aghrabia
People can argue for military intervention without having been to war. It's called having a valid opinion. You might argue for communism yet never have lived in a communist country, doesn't mean your opinion is invalid.
Both sides want the balance to be more in their favor, hence the struggle.
Well lobby your MP then and build up popular support for an NK intervention.
And you can argue for not intervening and not be an unpatriotic, cowardly piece of sh!t as pacifists are often accused of being.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
I don't really think it will make a difference, sadly - although that's an entirely different argument.
That's because the majority of MPs don't give a flying f*ck what their constituents think. Just as long as they keep voting them in like good wee plebs.
I wouldn't say it's the MPs fault, mine is quite responsive to issues.
Not all of them are twats obviously but I'd say a good chunk of them are.
The Speaker Elections have begun.
Aghrabia, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
As it is, they'd find it extremely hard to do so.
It's extremely doubtful.
Frankly, I can't see why we'd actually [B]declare[/B] that we'd take preemptive action before doing so. It's another political "We aren't doing nothing!" move.
I think you overestimate the South Korean's empathy towards the North. I believe that there'll be quite a bit of mistrust on both sides regardless.
NK won't ever fire their missiles though, just like how they wont actually declare war on SK.
You ever notice how the Kims live in luxury while people starve around them? Guess what'll change the moment the Norks decide to invade SK. A nice hint is that they'll die.
The Kim family would rather stay in their damned spot than bomb SK.
The answer is waiting. Eventually, the Kim family will lose their stranglehold on power due to a military junta, and we will win without ever firing a shot.
By intervening we risk Saddam syndrome and gain absolutely nothing.
Jaslandia, Yukona
I agree that the Kims know what side their bread's buttered on. They would not risk their cushy positions for a war with the west.
Jaslandia, Kalaron
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=405580&p=31339267#p31323167
Applied to your RP. Better be more active than the Confederacy General and the Viper RPs
I hope so. We had an old RP, called the Super RP in iur first region. The writing and actual RPing was horrid, but it was extremely active. Same happened in a couple of our other RPs.
Those were the days
Yeah, well, I'm posting a reply to the Confederacy General to keep it from dying. Hopefully I can start a ruckus and engage a few nations in an argument.
It also gave me an idea
What would y'all say if we allowed our much smaller sister region, Genuan Rebirth, to be allowed on the map and participate in our RPs. They are small, and have been with us forever. Even if somehow they do get bigger, it'd only give us more people to RP with and allow us to have extremely active and fun RPs.
I know that we did this with the Supermap, but that was also with the extremely large Libertatem. If it's just us two [CoFN and GR], I think our one map will do well.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Magnatronia
I read in many places that in all actuality, due to the famine and the absolute 99% certainty NATO/the UN will have air superiority, North Korea's supply lines will be extensively bombed and since you're actually trying to move the army out of the country they will lose their food, which is already scarce.
We could even get the AEGIS Alliance in on this.
Magnatronia
Try "Because the Norks are incompetent and have nothing to work with"
It's highly unlikely that they'd make it very far out of the country even without NATO/US -The UN won't do anything, man- Air Superiority simply because they would lack the fuel and ammunition to deal with the distance.
The "big threat" here isn't a matter of an invasion, it's a matter of the South losing large amounts of people since half the Nork's Artillery is pointed at the capital.
Yukona
Speaking of RPs
http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10110176/8/?x=0#post10009781
Posted
Under the direction of the President I am assigned to take lead of the flag contest. It won't start until after the Speaker Election.
So start creating your flags, but do not submit them to me until the 21st
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Do it
How are you all today ?
Jaslandia, Andromitus
Bene
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Hey Peng! I'm good; busy, but good. How are you?
Penguania And Antarctica
Just to Clarify I am a woman of.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm okay. A bit tired. :)
Welcome. We are always happy to have women join our community. Since there are so few of them around here we are treating them with utmost respect and dignity. :)
Jaslandia
Thank you very much The United Kingdom Of Penguania and Antarctica
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia
Vista Major Do we get the results in numbers for Speaker or is it entirely confidential?
Penguania And Antarctica
He's right. Women are highly valued in the community. I hope you spend the rest of your NS days with us.
I'll put it up to a vote
http://www.strawpoll.me/12557886
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia, Garnica
Also, application placed on The Bear and the Eagle
Penguania And Antarctica
Alright guys, signups for the CoFN's first annual Cup of the Confederacy are now closed
For OOC questions, please post in the sign-up/converted OOC thread
Kebec [ [nation=short]Kep[/nation] ] will host the inaugural tournament and results will be posted on every other day starting Monday.
More info coming soon once the IC thread is up by Kebec
Fuc* Chose the wrong option on a issue and fuc**d up my nations economy, education and human development index progress.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Anyone see Get Out yet?
Vista Major
http://www.strawpoll.me/12557886/r
I'll keep this open until Monday.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm guessing you're trying to see it: I heard that the twist is very strange, but effective for the most part
Aldaur
Through our defeats we gain our greatest victories
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Solla Ultima
Very funny. :[
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
We have all felt the unpredictable wrath of NS. We share in your pain.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Solla Ultima
I already saw it :p I liked it haha Although I feel like it encourages minorities to be irrationally affraid of white people. Most of what people call color blind racism is just awkwardness between people who haven't had enough contact with one another.
Can confirm, Everything Thread will be ready soon
Jaslandia
https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues
Never again shall y'all suffer
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Welcome to the CFN! Glad to have you here!
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Garnica
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
A woman of what?
Yukona
Our saviour!
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Ikr I used it before.
Penguania And Antarctica
I swear to fumuckle, if you don't get my demonym right I will find you, and I will slap you!
Magnatronia
I mean a woman of great knowledge and a great heart
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
So a superior human being? Also hello and welcome!
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Garnica
Aldaur
XD I DID THAT ON PURPOSE
The Cross And Davids Star
*slap*
Are you a biological female or are you a member of the LBGTQ..... (lists off the rest of the alphabet :p)?
How do you feel watching it as a black man?
Penguania And Antarctica, Maurician
Lets make a Eugenics government program! Thoughts?
How would you bring something like that to NS?
I used to be pro-eugenics, abortion, death penalty and assisted suicide, but I have since then become pro-life. Therefore I am against all of those. It is merely a moral repulsion for me, but from a ruthlessly scientific perspective, eugenics would be logical.
Your both quacks, CRISPR (or similar genering system) augmentation is the way to go; and it's cheaper/less timely too!
Aldaur, Magnatronia
But I like the perspective ya got there Maurician; Very Ædenist
I am not opposed to genetic engineering, but I am very wary of it.
You know what's cheaper and less timely too?
Posting on literally any RP.
Post.
Now.
Chuck Berry's now dead
Penguania And Antarctica
I want this year to end now before more celebrities and great figures die.
Special thanks to Deputy VP [nation=short]The Royal Republic of Kumania[/nation] for donating with me.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
I saw. Another sad death. But at least he lived a good life; he was 90 years old
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Biological
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Good to see this region will have another feminine perspective.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
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