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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
What the f*ck was I supposed to do? Say "sorry, I don't have anything" when I had two bags of groceries in my hands? And by the way, your dream of a worker's revolution is unrealistic and frankly, cringey. Who knows why that dude's homeless?? Definitely not either of us, but at least I bothered to help out however I could at the moment.
mmmmm, baiting me. I got you.Merlinton, Jaslandia
You become more appreciative of an ideology when you spend a lot of time learning about it, in some cases. That is why I have kept my communist leanings despite the class being long done, but haven't jumped on the lib train despite double majoring in liberal market economics.
Hey, you did good mate.
You might think those almonds wont do anything for him but at least you raised his spirits for a time, no?
If you see him again, give what you can if you wish, but don't regret giving something just because you made a mistake in [B]what[/B] to give :D
Merlinton
Counter-example: AnCap
Private capitalists own the means of production, not the employees.
Yukona
'yeah..well...uh...your politics are CRINGEY'
Come back when you leave middle school
Yukona
I was gonna say
And yet when I call Unf a gay lord for being a communist he takes it on board as constructive criticism - see what bridges can be built with friendship? Right Unf?
Jaslandia
ancaps are weird and divergent from other anarchist ideologies in a bunch of ways tho so that's ok, in general it's a decent way to describe it.
yuk I feign friendship with you until I can get close enough to give you polonium
Jaslandia, Yukona
Let's break this down:
1) Not true, there are a number of ideologies that are put under the socialist umbrella that don't want communism. For example, Social Democracy and Market Socialism.
2) In this vein, no ideology can be achieved in its purest form, which is true. However, your conclusion that communism will end in nothing but totalitarianism is not true. For examples, look no further than the Spanish Anarcho-Communists during the Spanish Civil War.
3) Agreed, Scandinavia is an example of Social Democracy working.
That is why many people say the communists from the 1800's and early 1900's achieved what they wanted, and that the ideology serves no purpose now that the issues they brought up were solved.
4) Exactly everything I hold dear. People that value liberty would see the need in anarchy, as it keeps people free from a big government that crushes them.
Yes Peng, please come back after your glorious venture into the *shudders* real world; As I am most likely now emotionally dependent on you after a full year of exposure to your radiating kindness, I fear not maintaining steady exposure could have disastrous consequences ;)
I'm a Junior in HS
[spoiler=Pacific Rant]
I'm going to leave that to the moderators, seems a bit out there for you to maintain such a huge level of dominion; Even though I am allied with you and it doesn't effect me, it does seem a little unfair to growing asian powers seeking economic abilities across the seas (I.e New members). I think a more plausible event would be you maintaining military dominance in the Bay of Bengal, Andaman sea, gulf of Thailand, Indonesian Archipelago (I meant Philippine Arch in my last post soz) and the Celebes Sea. That way, its logistically possible and your not a hilariously overpowered and ever so slightly godlike character in world affairs.
Also, for scale, It'd be hard, nay impossible, to maintain authority in the South Pacific, especially with Andrea-Calofasian dominance in said region near Southern America, alongside what seems to be California States in the America-North Pacific zone, although their not that RP active so IDK. And I don't know why, but I have a tiny hunch that the Russo powers aren't going to be simply rolling over to Aldauri influence in their portion of the Pacific. From my perspective, and unless you have some secret super weapon, controlling the Pacific is simply not all that possible. And wouldn't it be more economically viable to just straight up not waste military resources protecting such a hilariously large zone of control? Your apart of an Alliance that actually holds domain over every world trade route accept Kumania's Waterway and the zones underneath Africa and Southern America.
However, I could see you maintaining Imperial Dominance in the South China Sea, which would give you influence over our friend Friedensreich until he builds himself (herself?) up economically. I do now see a potential economic niche for little old me. And after reading that and looking at the map, I just realized the shear economic scope of the ITF, maintaining dominant authority with transport from the Atlantic to Pacific (me), Pacific to Indian (you), and Indian to Mediterranean (Tse). Sheesh. [/spoiler]
Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Well, I like to say anarchism divides up into a cappy wing and a commie wing. AnCaps are on one side, and AnComs on the other, with Syndicalists and extreme libertarians on opposing ends too.
This makes more sense because it follows the horseshoe theory, which says that extremists (in this case, AnCom and AnCap) agree more with each other than they do the center.
The Russo powers have an official statement to Aldauri 'dominion' of the pacific:
'lol ok totally'
Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Friedensreich
Wasent there some rumor that a Part of Russia was gonna be Opened?
Y'all want some rice in exchange for guns? :3
Bearlong was gonna CTE and some part of Siberia was gonna open up because I was gonna take his claim, but he came back so that's not happening anymore
wait where are you on the map
Oh no.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Andromitus
Hong Kong, Macau, Guangdong, Guangxi, and Hainan. Southeast China, pretty much.
Aldaur
"I'm gonna start a revolution in my country and everyone's gonna absolutely LOVE working on a collectivised farm!"
Come back to me when you've gotten a grasp on reality.
Merlinton
Ha! Farms are for farmers! You'll be working in the salt mines.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania
oh boy you got me there I'll sure have to go out and get some reality-checking going on, maybe just socialise myself into the dominant ideology whilst I'm at it so I can go around calling everyone with slightly different opinions to me cringey.
Do you have self-awareness? Honest question.
Friedensreich
*cough* sulfur mines *cough* ;P
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich
I guess you could say I'm a bit salty.
I'll be here all week folks.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia
He gets it
I think I'll hit the pillow.
Goodnight pals. Sweet dreams.<3
Einsiev, Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Magnatronia
I feel for the homeless too, I've just become jaded to the ones here, because they aren't normal homeless people. I occasionally still give them food or money though, as the way I see it, even if they are trying to con me, they are in greater need of it than I am. Otherwise they wouldn't need to swindle you. Here, I feel that giving them money does not really help their situation, which is why I would push hard for opening up rehabilitation centers to get them off the streets so they can stop harming people. We already take care of those who fall on hard times, so perhaps that is something you should do there first. That way it is easier to differentiate between the legitimate poor and those who are just lazy, on drugs or crazy.
Magnatronia
Oh, I'm definitely self aware. I'm also aware that it's pointless to waste my time hoping for a revolution, when instead I could do something a little decent for a guy in need. By the way, I don't say other people's ideologies are cringey. I criticize them when I disagree with them. But I also look for practicality. What Ald said is practical . A little hard, but practical. You know what's not practical? Hoping to take everyone's belongings and divy them up. Now that is cringey.
Jaslandia, Aldaur
Rubber plantations for my prophylactics :P
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Night Peng!
My thoughts exactly. You LITERALLY took my thoughts and wrote them out on paper.
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Oh gosh XD
can I just point out you said something and then immediately did the thing you just said you didn't do.
personal property v. private property.
Please understand the ideology you try to criticise, nobody wants your toothbrush or your TV or your car. It's not only practical to seize private property, it's already been done historically.
Aldaur, Friedensreich
That's the problem, revolutions are not universal.
Marx himself said numerous times that democratic nations like the US can skip revolutions by voting in socialist politicians in participatory democracy.
Marx is just following the Social Contract, which says that the people of a nation can destroy their government and replace it with a new one when they feel as though they are being oppressed. He said that capitalistic oppression and government ineptitude (or flat out corruption) to fix it will cause for the Social Contract to be null.
Aldaur
Speak for yourself bruh. His toothbrush is mine!
Jaslandia
Darnit
Penguania And Antarctica
Because you totally didn't take that outta context
I understand that, but I was *still* referring to the practice of seizing and distributing private property. I don't think many people would agree that seizing factories, businesses, etc and distributing it to the masses would be a practical way of solving homelessness. Why do that when we can take the better path and invest in programs to help the homeless. I'd much rather take the taxes we collect and funnel it into those kinds of programs than destroy the established economic system.
Jaslandia, Aldaur
Rather than turning private property into public property, we should do the reverse. Transfer the massive amounts of unused public land and turn it into private allodial land for each citizen. Everyone can get less than an acre of good land with a house built on top (I've done the math, it wouldn't cost that much and it would actually save a lot of money). This solves homelessness, as people get shelter and land to grow food on if they need be (though they should have an automated hydroponics system instead imo). This would make people self sustainable and independent from the future problems of automation. Not to mention that when things are held in common, no one takes care of it. One only has to walk down their nearest street to see all the garbage. Give everyone property and they will be able to take care of themselves. That's what welfare should be like. Don't sustain poverty, give people the tools to get out of poverty themselves. Nothing is more driving than one's own accomplishments. I also believe owning property is a necessity for freedom, so there is that too. Not to mention all the money we would save on maintaining land we don't use for anything, we would save on social programs as well because less people would need it, and more people would have disposable income to spend into the market. The Socialist view of economics, while admirable, is old thinking and won't actually help people. The people should never be dependent on the government, but the government should be dependant on the people.
Good point Ald. My only concern would be the environment impact of taking all that unused land (I'm picturing acres of grassland or forest being cut down for housing). But hey, if we could incorporate sustainable farming practices, I'd be all for it. But the problem I was addressing is when you *force* people to either give up what they own, or to give other people land they don't want to farm on (because they don't wanna work on a farm in the first place). I just like the idea of investing in programs to help the homeless because, let's be honest, Republicans in the US would say that's communism, and Democrats would say that would be inefficient. So things like shelters, job training programs, affordable housing, mental health programs, etc would be good enough for the time being.
Aldaur
Oh Andromitus, you'll have no idea of what comes next.
Magnatronia
You might remember my visit here last week. My account, [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], had been hacked and brought here. Even though the password had been changed, it was hacked again. The offender once again brought my nation here. He has apparently started endorsing certain figures within this region, and a few have endorsed him back. Please, ban this nation.
Russian Fedration
Oh of course, the little things is what will actually get through and even though I believe we should give everyone allodial land, there is no way that would pass. Being the pragmatist though, I believe we should start giving veterans allodial land as a reward for their service. This solves many problems with veteran homelessness and bloated inefficient social programs that are supposed to help them but don't. Also, it has a pretty high chance of success because as a politician, you can't say no to helping veterans, as it will make you look like an arsehole and you won't get reelected lol
Magnatronia
That sounds an awful lot like feudalism, tbh.
Post self-deleted by Magnatronia.
Dude, that's a really good idea?? Honestly, it'd save a lotta vets the struggle of starting their life over as a civilian when they return from duty. I mean, they'd literally have an acre to start with.
Aldaur
Listen, buddy, tell us who hacked you, and we'll ask them to explain themselves and/or leave. But don't just come into our RMB and throw accusations without any proof.
Russian Fedration, Jaslandia
Well, and more to the point, determining if you were hacked is more of an issue for the mods. Get them involved, because we have no way of determining who is control of that account and whether they are the rightful owner. And we won't go banning people on request.
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Magnatronia
I have no clue who hacked me. If I did, he would be banned already. Just look at the profile for [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], okay? 3 hours ago, it randomly left U R N in which it has been a member for over 2 years. It changed its title to "Dictatorship of" from "Technocracy of." If you look at its activity 5 days ago, you can see my posts in this region when it was hacked the first time.
How? Lol They aren't ruling over people and rewarding veterans for service is a pretty noble idea that has been tested long before feudalism. So again, how?
I don't doubt you, dude. I just can't take your word as gospel. Even if what you say is true, banning that nation from our region doesn't rectify your situation. Report it to the site mods.
Jaslandia
That fixes the symptom, but not the cause. To solve any problem, you need to solve the cause, not just the symptoms. Conversely, if you solve the cause, the symptoms will solve themselves.
You have to ask why veterans have issues merging back into normal life once they come back before you can try solving it. Most of the problem stems from PTSD, war-related injuries, and other deformities or disorders.
And how do you fix that? Fix the VA or give veterans access to healthcare at inexpensive prices, and provide more funding for mental illness treatment. Veterans already have the tools they need to succeed on their own- be it through free college tuition or other benefits- they just need to recover from the fighting before they can rejoin society.
Aldaur
They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.
Merlinton, Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aldaur, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Magnatronia
You're talking about the government granting land to those that serve the leader :P
Aldaur
🎉🎉🎉
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Noice
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Very good.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Dude came, claimed his main account had been hacked and moved to our region, told us to ban him, we suggested he contact the mods, mods got involved and ruled dude was telling the truth.
Mods deleted the offending nation (USA Minor, it would seem?) and returned dude's account to him.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
It is just a little bit distressing as USA Minor ran for President and received a few votes.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
And I totally agree with that! I never said we should neglect those programs, you know. You can't expect anyone to start all over again when they're jumping at shadows, half-expecting a terrorist to be around the corner. But good point Fried!
Aldaur, Vista Major, Andromitus
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I want to be just like you when I grow up
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
He's the General Flynn to your Donald Trump.
Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm still hwounded
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Otherwise known as 'The Least-Celebrated Holiday of All-Time'.
https://youtu.be/w9QLn7gM-hY
At first, I misread that as 'rabbi'. I thought "I didn't know ContComm was Jewish, but I don't think religious officials and pets are comparable."
Goodnight, Peng!
I don't think I would compare Vista to Donald Trump. At worst, Vista is Jimmy Carter.
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
Is there a timeframe for when the map will get updated, because, as far as I could tell, being on the map is necessary for roleplaying.
Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
You can do that too, but that still makes people reliant on the state when they should only need to be reliant on themselves. So that actually isn't solving the problem I am trying to address. It is also a gateway to future expansion.
Not to mention, the VA is crap and illustrates why single payer would never work in America. We should give them HSAs instead and allow them to choose their provider.
Lol. While humorous, is not true. The military do not serve the leader, we serve the Constitution of the United States. We may obey the orders of the officers appointed over us, which includes the President, but we do not serve the President. We don't even serve the people (though we do in practicality). We serve our founding document. It also would be Congress that would be transferring allodial titleship to us, so that is not granting land either. It is different. The word allodial is important.
Honestly no. Bax is on enough that his presence is absolutely known, but he does not always have time to update the map as timely as we all might wish, but as they say real life comes first. However I think if you can get a spot confirmed as yours, that should be enough to participate until Baxten can update the map.
I am not one of our RP mods though, so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
ContComm is Jewish, just not go-to-synagogue and have-a-rabbi Jewish.
Einsiev, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Talk about efficiency!
Good work, thanks!
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Got it, thanks.
Jaslandia
So, my misreading was kinda right? Well whaddya know. I must be psychic!
jk
Penguania And Antarctica
It solves the problem very well, actually. "Reliance on the government makes people lazy and unable to succeed" is a myth from what I have experienced- and I actually am reliant on the government to survive. I am on my own Medicare plan because my mother is poor, I received free lunch during HS and Primary school, and my state (Bless you, Mitch Daniels, for creating this program) pays for all of my college tuition. If it weren't for reliance on the government, I'd likely be out on the street and not in college- which is patently not success.
And I'd say we aren't lazy. My mom works odd jobs despite being on Disability, I am a full time student earning an Economics and Political Science degree from Indiana University, and my stepfather does all the work he can to earn money for us.
Russian Fedration, Aldaur
Juuuuuuuudennnnnn
Einsiev
I never said anything about being lazy. It is just cost ineffective as a program and I believe relying on the government is a barrier to freedom. The government should have programs that help people help themselves. The goal should be to get people put of poverty, not sustaim poverty. I believe that the private ownership of land to be the primary instrument for that end.
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Aldaur, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Has anyone else watched the first episode of the new BBC drama King Charles III? I'm actually really enjoying it. He dissolved Parliament! My jaw hit the floor when he did that!
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
Is it on Netflix or Hulu?
https://youtu.be/A_MjCqQoLLA
Is there a problem?
Are you from Indiana? Because I know there are already quite a few Indianans here.
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm not sure. It's only one episode. I really liked it. I felt really bad for Charles. I think perhaps the most poignant line in the whole thing is, "My son. God save you." You'll see why if you watch it.
Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica
You called?
Jaslandia
https://media.giphy.com/media/26gs6vEzlpaxuYgso/giphy.gif
Jaslandia
Serves him right imo. I, your Vice President, am your bottom bitch and NOBODY else. :D :D :D
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
https://youtu.be/Yo5aL6EqzlE
https://ifunny.co/fun/DYLs5ywq2
Penguania And Antarctica
Well then...
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
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Penguania And Antarctica
Can you tell him to respond to my TG. Also, what does that mean for the Aldaur thing?
Aldaur
Please don't say solution :p
The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica
Yep. Mitch Daniels and Evan Bayh are the reasons why I can afford to go to college at all.
Jaslandia
Well, I've got a solution :P
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur
I'll allow it, but only if you let Sean Spicer call them Holocaust Centers :p
Jaslandia
Nah, they'll just be labs for weapons testing and bioweapon development using cheap Aldaurian slaves as the guinea pigs >:P
Aldaur
Aldaur, The Vidnoye
Aldauri*
And please, Aldauri are sexy. We ain't cheap. Our nicely toned light tanned bodes are great for other forms of slavery ;) However, if you really want a bunch of crazed Aldauri to experiment on, I'd expect them to turn violent, steal your weapons and kill your scientists before bringing the weapons to Aldaur to study :p
Lel, Vistonian Empire :p
Einsiev, Vista Major
Greatest thing I've seen all week.
Aldaur, Vista Major, The Vidnoye
How do you pronounce your nation and demonym? I always thought it was spelt Alduar and pronounced Al Du arr but after reading it and seeing the truth..now I'm confuzzled (;3
Aldaur
Aldaur = Al-dar (Al as in the name, and dar sounds like star)
Aldauri = Al-dar-ee (Say it like Israeli)
Andromitus
Alright, I'm all posted up for all my RP lines!
Feels good to have a break :)
Hows it going fellow regionmen?
Jaslandia, Aldaur, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
You lucky dog.
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