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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Dictatorship disguised as democracy is cool and interesting. My dictatorships are a little more obvious than that though.
Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic
lol as is majority of dictatorships
Nuremgard
Tangshan and Caledonia are not pretending to be democracies though so....:P
Jaslandia
this is true
Valyria is sort of like PLR. An aristocratic oligarchy rules the roost with a powerful Archon at the top, elected by Freeholders (who are like Roman senators.)
Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic
Then Valyria and PLR would get along just fine
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Only landowners can vote, there's slavery, serfdom, no welfare state to speak of, no public healthcare or education...Not the nicest of places lol.
Peoples Liberation Republic
well we have a massive welfare state with education but there is some sort of serfdom involved
Nuremgard
Valyria's version of welfare is the poorhouse.
Peoples Liberation Republic
We like our free market capitalism and direct democracy.
Peoples Liberation Republic, United Continental States
that makes me nauseous. Direct democracy? Well if that makes you happy then by all means good luck. The PLR is a Social Mixed Economy with some State Capitalism and governed with my own ideology named Unitary Republicanism
I like your banner.
United Continental States
Jeesus if only you were socialist, we'd be such good IC friends XD
Well, tbf it can only really work on small scales such as Kohalo's at this point, for example I have a lot of Direct Democratic elements but its all local level; we elect Diligents and Councilors (Decentralized Ministers and what amount to Senators) from a small, well culled pool of Meritocrats to deal with hefty national governing.
Peoples Liberation Republic
Awakening the Beast of the PLR:
https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-07-2015/AVBsii.gif
Russkov Soviet, Andromitus
Such a shame
Peoples Liberation Republic
The UK's EU referendum shows how direct democracy can be bad.
Friedensreich
^ direct democracy can be great in theory
But, more often than not, unless a democracy is well maintained, mob rule will take over.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic
If a direct democracy is to work properly, the people need to be educated and engaged. The British public are, in general, f*king morons. That's why the ref didn't work here.
The economic situation in the Federation is... strange, to say the least.
Jaslandia, Percyton
hell yeah boi
>I didn't like the result
>Democracy doesn't work, people are stupid
>I voted BNP
>BNP did not get in
democracydoesntwork.jpg
Kohalo
Brexit will be an economic disaster and leaving is a stupid decision. I say that as a leave voter.
good to be in CoFN full time now. Time to get to work and AWAKE THE BEAST!
Jaslandia, Percyton
>I didn't like the result
>Democracy doesn't work, people are stupid
The point still stands, lit up like a Christmas tree with a loud klaxon sounding above it with a large yet not ungainly neon sign saying "look, over here!"
Kohalo
I will begin to export opium in the near future to neighboring countries and potentially nations in other areas of the world who are willing to put up the right price. Of course it will be a lot more expensive than street heroin because it's raw poppy opium and not processed heroin or anything.
Russkov Soviet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNVywbj7vto
Percyton
The Teapot Bulletin updated.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Percyton
I went on an unexpected magical journey to a local island over this weekend so I couldn't update all of you fine neighbors on my flag thing.
Vote for my next flag right here!
http://www.strawpoll.me/13453911
Since I unexpectadly vanished, I shall extend this poll by maybe a few more days to get a few more votes.
Cheers!
Vista Major, Andromitus
Well democracy can be wrong. The Nazis were elected you know. And don't call Godwin's law. I haven't lost the argument. Godwin's law simply means the longer a debate goes on for, the more likely it is that the Nazis will be mentioned.
Peoples Liberation Republic
Why would you vote Leave, first of all.
Second, why would then complain about how bad your country's voters f*cked up. Of course democracy works. It's just that you don't happen to like the result of your vote.
I made a mistake. I accept that. And no, I don't like the result because it will:
A) F*ck up the country economically.
B) It's against the wishes of Scots, the majority of whom voted to stay in the EU.
Thank you!
It's not all bad. Plenty of good things happened too!
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
I didn't plan on calling Godwin's Law and I already know what it is? You say democracy doesn't work, well it worked - the people of Germany got convinced and through a little swindling Hitler was elected. Democracy is rule of the people, tough sh*t. Does it mean those people were stupid? Well the Nazis themselves contained a lot of very smart people, perhaps everyone is susceptible to a level of manipulation, no matter what their intellect. So rather than high roading others and suggesting that there is some conceivable alternative like "hur dur only those with high IQs can vote", which is borderline thought police and does not necessarily mean a competent government as - let's face it, even Margaret Thatcher would have probably had a high IQ and so would many of her supporters - let's just accept the fact that Brexit wasn't what you wanted and that doesn't mean democracy has failed nor were the people stupid. You don't have to focus on pure economic facts to vote, just like you don't vote for Scottish Independence out of pure economic facts, do you?
Fair enough. I still think Brexit is wrong and disagree with it. I think the government should stop it.
Yeah so do I but I f*cking love democracy and I'll bomb the sh*t out of you until you agree with me.
Well it was an advisory referendum. The government can ignore the outcome. This will of the people BS is just that. BS. Leavers are obsessed with sovereignty. Well parliamentary sovereignty is how the UK works and Westminster can ignore the referendum result. If they don't like it, tough sh!t, that's democracy, that's sovereignty British style.
So if they ignore it, bare they basically pretended it was binding, legally it wasn't, let people vote, it wasn't what David Cameron liked, so they ignore it, get called a dictatorship. How ironic, and what's even more ironic is that people like you - the eternally salty Scottish political commentator - would decry Westminster as the last bastion of fascism on the globe because of it. Make up your mind, Nurem.
For those of you wondering why my baseball RP in my Factbook hasn't gone anywhere...
"On Sunday, July 16th, a terrorist attack was carried out in Brytensk at Riyava Memorial Stadium. The bomb, a 10kg plastic-explosive charge, was detonated during the 4th Inning of the Colts-Raiders game. Upon detonation, a pillar buckled, sending an entire section collapsing to the ground. 75 people are injured with 4 dead so far. Police and National Guard are still searching for clues."
Hey, so long as I'm in this Union, I'll take any advantage I can get. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not my fault Britain's constitution sucks balls.
What you're really saying is that either way you'd be unhappy, whether Westminster ignored the referendum or whether they went ahead with it because "people are stupid". Hey, that's a pretty good argument.
I'm a salty Scots nationalist. I'll never be happy until I have ma freedooooom!
Sorry you're too stupid and if you vote to leave I don't like the result, therefore I think we'll pass on that one.
See my point now? It's alright when it's not your side of the vote.
No, your process actually has a flaw in it whereas providing voters three votes per office does not. Technically, if each voter gets only one vote to fill three office vacancies, then every voter could vote for a single candidate and therefore the Supreme Court would have two vacancies. By allowing each voter having a vote per available office, this issue is entirely rectified. Besides, electors have the right to choose the composure of their Supreme Court by voting for each individual they'd like to fill a vacant democratic office; by providing them a single vote for three vacant offices deprives the voter of this democratic right.
Also, it doesn't matter if it was "decided" that the term would expire at the end of this month. This is explicitly- explicitly- denied by the Constitution. The Chief Justice can help interpret the Constitution, but cannot make a decision that explicitly contradicts the Constitution.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Friedensreich
I know, babe. I'm just bitter because I've been on the losing side of two referendums. Technically my side "won" the EU one but it wasn't until after the fact I realised how much of an idiot I was.
Then again, Scottish votes weren't worth sh!t as the English decided the result due to sheer population so I suppose I shouldn't feel as guilty.
Ya dirty Unionist, gimme my Irish reunification!
Nuremgard
Onocarcan Provinces on a scale
http://i.imgur.com/4WENMb4.png
Jaslandia
Éirinn go Brách.
I think my next Factbook will be a comprehensive description of each province.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, United Continental States
Now all we need is one of those guys that want Welsh independence. Kinda rare methinks
Nuremgard
It wasn't my decision, only a suggestion that was decided upon by Unf and Vista. That we have government for the rest of July and the re start on August. Unf's Constitution didn't expect that a re vote would happen and the election procedure wasn't updated to accommodate the recent changes. Rather than have a constitution without a government it was suggested that this occur in place as a caretaker. The reason it is to fill for July and the reason it has to be a caretaker is because the real election must take place on the 1-4 of the end of an office term. So rather it would go against the constitution to have a caretaker longer than the actual decided election date. OR the term would have to extend past July and August until September or even later.
I believe their independence party is the third biggest in the Welsh Assembly. I don't think Wales will ever become independent. They're too British.
Implying that if Scotland voted unanimously one way or another, or even by majority, they couldn't swing the vote.
I'm a unionist, but I also whole-heartedly support self-determination. Northern Ireland is a complicated situation due to the makeup of its population and the way in which they arrived there, and unfortunately as per the UN's mandate on these things, the population - no matter how or why - decides, just the same goes for the Falklands. If some situation could be orchestrated in some utopian idealistic situation, where the protestants and other such loyalist groups could leave, I would see no problem - although this is simply piss in the wind when it comes to reality, they would also have to be a hundred percent willing to do it - Irish unionists aren't exactly the most accommodating bunch. In-fact, as I've said before, I'm half Irish and I fully support the Irish state notwithstanding their connections to Irish Republican terrorists who have done little but slow the peace process and keep old wounds open in a century where nobody in the rest of the United Kingdom bar Glasgow (I would imagine/have heard) give a flying f*ck if you're a Catholic or Protestant, it's entirely irrelevant to our modern and progressive society. However, to reiterate, the population is there and unfortunately short of forced removal or genocide they're not going to move any time soon or get any more republican with the amount of hate directed towards them or that they omit.
Furthermore, if Scotland voted to leave, I would also support that. It's a beautiful country, and although I personally believe it would struggle economically and certainly wouldn't die but certainly wouldn't be as well off as it could be (high opportunity cost), if they do indeed vote for it, then that's how democracy works and how it should work, since it is a pillar of modern British society and governance. In fact, if the latter were to happen, I would support a complete dissolution of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, as it would only contain Wales and Northern Ireland. I'd support a further indyref in both the left-over countries and the forming of a simple "Kingdom of England (and if they stay), Wales and Ireland" and simply put the United Kingdom to rest as one of the greatest nations to ever rise, and let it die with a bit of grace. If the others did leave, I would go ahead and support a renaissance in English civic nationalism and an independent England, which can fully benefit from its position without having to pander to the needs or the moaning of the rest of the UK (just as they have to put up with ours, it's a labour of love).
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Friedensreich
They're probably like these guys:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WDPgWhSaMlc
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Hear, hear. The UK should dissolve so Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland can become true equals as sovereign states. But I take a little umbrage with your statement about republicans. The unionists have terrorist pasts and connections too, and seeing how they behaved recently in Northern Ireland with their bonfires and such, they're not the only ones holding back a moder, progressive society.
I also agree with you about sectarianism in Scotland. It's a scourge and one of this country's great shames.
Not quite there, Oel. We had a motion in the legislature that initiated the constitutional referendum which was a democratic decision open to all citizens and not just two people. This dictated that a constitution would ne selected and that the first term of the new regime would take power after an election beginning on July 1. This election was invalidated and delayed due to a challenge to the referendum process.
This motion, the fact that the election was delayed due to electoral mismanagement, and the fact that the current constitution that exists and is enforceable in every aspect of the law means that we are in the midst of our July/August electoral term and the government that is elected will serve throughout this term. This was a decision decided upon by a motion in the legislature and a plurality of voters who chose tp be governed by Unf's proposed constitution.
Agreements between two parties are irrelevant in the face of these democratic institutions and processes. They had no such jurisdiction to make this decision.
Post by Magnatronia suppressed by Yukona.
We should just nuke British
Oelesa
Oi, nuke their "cuisine", and I'm right there with you.
Jaslandia
So what are we supposed to do then? Is the government supposed to just magically pop into existence already running? We have a constitution, but we still have to implement it properly, and it seems like you are raging against the setup that we need to go through. Its not like anyone is standing around, "We are going to impose our will on the people. Mwa ha ha ha ha."
Growing pains bro.
I'm let Unf take over on this, but I think the best thing to do here is let this government serve till the end of August.
I'm literally proposing that we set up the Government the exact way it is mandated by constitutional law, which is to say for a two month period except when there are delays in voting. This remedy is prescribed in the constitution, and the beginning of the term is prescribed in a motion. Both democratic methods and both no harder to implement than what Vista is doing. The only difference is that what I'm suggesting has a legal basis.
There's no such democratic method for a caretaker government, and our current situation doesn't dictate the need for one. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
*Hiss*
What cuisine?
Hey-oooo
I absolutely agree, if you mean the government that is currently being elected. The end of August is the legally mandated end of this administration's term.
Jaslandia, Oelesa
https://youtu.be/hHsFvw3wVJw
Yes, i'm agreeing.
*SMACK* One does not simply hiss at me without getting smacked.
But seriously....
How are you? And are you new to the region?
*Cries profusely*
Russkov Soviet
Irish history is fascinating. Reading up on it at the moment.
But...but... I didn't hit THAT hard.... >_<
YOUR A MONSTER! *Cries in a corner*
Russkov Soviet
Oi, but you're supposed to be a Soviet. You're expected to be hammered on Vodka and have no idea how strong you are!
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
You have point. But I am now Russian monster. He no talk to me. Now you are with talking.
Yo. I remember the first [nation=short]Baxten[/nation] and [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation] showdown. That was a close one, one vote decided i believe.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Solla Ultima
To be fair, fish and chips is pretty good.
Penguania And Antarctica
I remember it fondly
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Solla Ultima
We vote for three Justices in this election, correct?
Oelesa
I voted for one. Were we supposed to vote for three?
Oelesa
no, the ballot said to vote once for each office.
I dunno¯\_(ツ)_/¯
http://www.strawpoll.me/13453911
http://www.strawpoll.me/13453911
http://www.strawpoll.me/13453911
VOTE AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
This is a messy election. But if it was up to me id vote three, i already tired to but Vista didnt let me. Honeslty i coudnt tell ya. [nation=short]Unfallious[/nation] can clear things up soon.
Jaslandia, Solla Ultima
You should vote for three. In democracies, you vote for people to fill vacancies to democratic offices. Just because these three offices have the same title doesn't mean that the electorate should be deprived of their right to vote.
Three government vacanies. Three votes from the electorate. This doesn't have the be prescribed by the constitution, because it's basic democratic principle.
I endorsed Vista in the last (invalidated) election, so I don't say this to be mean, but demanding one vote for three vacant offices and shortening this administration's term by a month are just more examples of how Vista has kind of fumbled these last few weeks.
Friedensreich, Oelesa
Isn't the pound doing way better than it was? Besides, now they won't be dragged down as much as the rest of the EU
Direct democracy with a devolved Republic my dude.
Ayee
United Continental States
The pound is in the sh!tter, inflation is up and the EU is seeing economic growth. This is only the top of the iceberg. This is why I want Scotland to be independent and in the EU. Scotland will suffer economically and politically from Brexit.
Not to mention the Euro is still worth more than the dollar, and the EU is literally a- to quote Johnathan Pie here- a wool sock for business owners to wank in.
Nuremgard
A weak pound may be temporarily good for UK exporters but it's not sustainable in the long run. If Scotland joins the EU, I want us to have our own currency, preferably the Scottish pound. I used to be in favour of adopting the euro but further research has convinced me that is a bad idea.
The idea itself is a great one, but the current implementation of it- unifying the monetary policy of nations but not the fiscal policy- has lead it to be so prone to problems. This is going to sound bad, but... if every Eurozone member were like Germany, the European would not have problems.
Nuremgard
That's the problem with the euro. A single interest rate will not benefit all nations, and tax harmonisation will need to happen if the European Central Bank is to implement monetary policy. I dislike this greatly as the idea of losing control over taxation would indeed be a legitimate loss to national sovereignty. And if the euro crashes, then the whole continent's economy comes down with it.
Germany does well out of the euro because it's the best performing economy and runs a surplus. Not all nations are so lucky. That's why I think the euro is quite dangerous despite its advantages.
Germany is also one of the only countries (Alongside France, America and Japan) to produce Domestic Tanks.
Also: Me and Tim are cuddling on the couch right now.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Good for you guys. It's 6:20am here and I'm reading the paper and on NS.
My life is so exciting.
Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, United Continental States
Wait, like in real life?! You guys made it out to see one another?!?
If so, very happy for you two!
Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
The EU should return to being strictly an economic union. Imposing social regulations on other nations is wrong.
I'm fine with the economics and harmonised regulations, standards etc. As for the political aspects, I''m more unsure. I inherently distrust that. I would hate for Scotland to get out of one union where it was dominated by a parliament in another country only for the same thing to happen to it in the EU. But all member states in the EU are equal.
It seems like certain members are more equal than others when the big guys are heavily threatening the smaller ones with heavy sanctions and punishments for not taking in hoards of economic migrants as "suggested" by them.
*Iraq and Iran intensify*
What are you implying by this?
>imposing social regulations is wrong
The US and UN has done this literally so much that they are the very embodiment of imposing social regulations on other nations.
For example, Iraq. We didn't like Saddam Hussein because he was a brutal dictator. So, we invaded Iraq- imposing our democratic and liberal beliefs on Iraq.
I don't see a reason why you are telling this to me, I have never voiced my support for the foreign intervention of the UN or the US, and save for a very select few examples, I personally do not support most of their impacts on the globe.
I think that Iraq and overall the entire middle east would be much more stable if people like Saddam or Gaddafi weren't illegally and illegitimately removed by the west.
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