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Vista Major wrote:In many respects

wut

Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:Hey, Humph wasn't a bad president on Discord either, really we've only had one guy who's had pervasive ssues with the medium and if you ask him it's because of nonsense like "true colours" and totally not about how people have legit issues with him over what he tried to do -to stop an issue from being created, I won't even mention the issues-

Honestly, me and Humph just didn't agree at first over some things -that was probably the fault of us having different strokes during the period just before when Ru went crazy with power- but he was actually a damn good President considering what he came from.

That's precious

Oelesa wrote:wut

It's a matter of whether or not we humans are *really* social creatures

Vista Major wrote:That's precious

It's a matter of whether or not we humans are *really* social creatures

Haven't you seen cast away, we need to be social lol. No, but really. Is it your opinion that we are not social?

Jaslandia, Vista Major

General notice: Ruclax joined the Discord.

In keeping with our Law, and with common sense and morality and right and one hundred million other things I want to scream right now, I've removed him.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:"2 hours ago: The Republic of Cofn burner arrived from The North Pacific."

Well, that's odd. And a bit ominous, too. Let's hope it's not another Prophecy clone.

I still get shudders, and I arrived in the aftermath

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Oelesa wrote:Haven't you seen cast away, we need to be social lol. No, but really. Is it your opinion that we are not social?

I've seen some of Castaway

I'm not of the opinion that we aren't social. But, from a rudimentary biological perspective, I doubt it's usefulness, considering that human impulse to be moderately selfish. Mostly out of curiosity; I'm no psuedoscientist

Oelesa

Kalaron wrote:General notice: Ruclax joined the Discord.

In keeping with our Law, and with common sense and morality and right and one hundred million other things I want to scream right now, I've removed him.

Can't say I blame you.

Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

New post!

Hope you guys join in!

Oelesa, Yukona, Magnatronia

Oelesa wrote:Haven't you seen cast away, we need to be social lol. No, but really. Is it your opinion that we are not social?

If your on, respond to my TG. It's important

Oelesa

Jaslandia wrote:Can't say I blame you.

I'm gonna be real honest with you.

You know how there's memes out there about "X or Riot" and it suddenly seems like everyone is about to riot you to death?

I'm the server owner and I wanted to riot all of a sudden.

But for real though, he doesn't get the right to pretend like he did nothing if he isn't even going to apologize for lying about our region, and I mean meaningfully apologize too.

Seriously, what an arse!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:I'm gonna be real honest with you.

You know how there's memes out there about "X or Riot" and it suddenly seems like everyone is about to riot you to death?

I'm the server owner and I wanted to riot all of a sudden.

But for real though, he doesn't get the right to pretend like he did nothing if he isn't even going to apologize for lying about our region, and I mean meaningfully apologize too.

Seriously, what an arse!

Not sure if there can be a riot with only one person, but I see your point. Ru is a tyrant who has no business being in this region.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Not sure if there can be a riot with only one person, but I see your point. Ru is a tyrant who has no business being in this region.

You just haven't rioted hard enough ;)

The Vidnoye wrote:New post!

Hope you guys join in!

hold yer horses ther' pardner; yuuza gunna wana await for us old geezers to catch up!

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:General notice: Ruclax joined the Discord.

In keeping with our Law, and with common sense and morality and right and one hundred million other things I want to scream right now, I've removed him.

As current minister of Justice however; I fµckin' step aside because these fµcks'll kill me if I dont

He was the power hungry [nation=short]ss[/nation] from you old region right?

Andromitus wrote:As current minister of Justice however; I fµckin' step aside because these fµcks'll kill me if I dont

He was the power hungry [nation=short]ss[/nation] from you old region right?

Well, I'd argue this falls into the Enemy of the State act that we passed -admittedly, I have no real proof that he was labelled as such, but it says retro-actively and I remember him being labelled as it, also can't see a reason he wouldn't be- but yeah, he was power-hungry.

He made us all pretty mad.

Evening all! Hope everyone is well in the Region.

Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Audiastan wrote:Evening all! Hope everyone is well in the Region.

Were fine on this end! How are you?

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Were fine on this end! How are you?

Good Good thank you, just about to do a run then work on some fact entries for the PRA.

Penguania And Antarctica

So do laws matter here or not? Because it seems like sometimes they do, and sometimes they dont.

Penguania And Antarctica

Posted Boyo's

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10110176/10/#new

Sorry Baxy you were taking to long and I need time to progress in the RP again :P

Audiastan wrote:Good Good thank you, just about to do a run then work on some fact entries for the PRA.

Eww, basic exercise

Fundingsland wrote:So do laws matter here or not? Because it seems like sometimes they do, and sometimes they dont.

I see how you mean, but in those exceptional cases, we were usually dealing with heavily toxic players that abuse the system in order to continue harassing some of our members; And while I've been pushing (as much as I can in these cases), for more constitutional proceedings, its hard to feel for them when they treat our members like dirt and pollute the RMB with solo-rants of pure hatred.

Penguania And Antarctica

Fundingsland wrote:So do laws matter here or not? Because it seems like sometimes they do, and sometimes they dont.

They do, interpretation is important though.

Ru was ejected from the Discord because I interpreted the Enemy of the State act to include him as it applies backwards before it's inception.

However, the problem is that the condemnation of him happened inside of the VC, leaving me in the position of remembering it, but not having evidence.

Furthermore, he had no legal rights as a non-resident.

Andromitus wrote:Posted Boyo's

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10110176/10/#new

Sorry Baxy you were taking to long and I need time to progress in the RP again :P

Eww, basic exercise

I see how you mean, but in those exceptional cases, we were usually dealing with heavily toxic players that abuse the system in order to continue harassing some of our members; And while I've been pushing (as much as I can in these cases), for more constitutional proceedings, its hard to feel for them when they treat our members like dirt and pollute the RMB with solo-rants of pure hatred.

Am I wrong, but this answer mean "laws matter when we feel like it"?

Fundingsland wrote:Am I wrong, but this answer mean "laws matter when we feel like it"?

To be fair, the laws were not adequately equipped to handle toxic activity, and as such, we were unable to act accordingly

Kalaron wrote:They do, interpretation is important though.

Ru was ejected from the Discord because I interpreted the Enemy of the State act to include him as it applies backwards before it's inception.

However, the problem is that the condemnation of him happened inside of the VC, leaving me in the position of remembering it, but not having evidence.

Furthermore, he had no legal rights as a non-resident.

Im not talking about anything in specific. What I am talking about is sometimes nations out of compliance with a law are grandfathered in, and sometimes they are not.

Andromitus wrote:To be fair, the laws were not adequately equipped to handle toxic activity, and as such, we were unable to act accordingly

Umm... so yes?

Fundingsland wrote:Im not talking about anything in specific. What I am talking about is sometimes nations out of compliance with a law are grandfathered in, and sometimes they are not.

Among other concerns. Like how laws dont seem to apply if the executive branch has a good enough reason

Fundingsland wrote:Im not talking about anything in specific. What I am talking about is sometimes nations out of compliance with a law are grandfathered in, and sometimes they are not.

Oh?

Fundingsland wrote:Among other concerns. Like how laws dont seem to apply if the executive branch has a good enough reason

Oh?

Fundingsland wrote:Im not talking about anything in specific. What I am talking about is sometimes nations out of compliance with a law are grandfathered in, and sometimes they are not.

Fundingsland wrote:Among other concerns. Like how laws dont seem to apply if the executive branch has a good enough reason

You are 100% correct. The variable you are missing is how popular a nation is and how long its been in the region. The longer a nation has been around, the more likely the community will turn a blind eye when they ignore a rule.

Magnatronia, Fundingsland

Outer Oz wrote:You are 100% correct. The variable you are missing is how popular a nation is and how long its been in the region. The longer a nation has been around, the more likely the community will turn a blind eye when they ignore a rule.

Thats disappointing

Outer Oz

Outer Oz wrote:You are 100% correct. The variable you are missing is how popular a nation is and how long its been in the region. The longer a nation has been around, the more likely the community will turn a blind eye when they ignore a rule.

Fundingsland wrote:Thats disappointing

I agree with both of you

Outer Oz

Fundingsland wrote:Thats disappointing

Yes, quite. The converse is that if a nation has made itself socially or politically unpopular, or even if it is just a relative newcomer, it is much more likely that the laws will be strictly enforced against them.

The real tragedy is that when an older nation mistakenly or incorrectly enforces a law against a newer nation. Sometimes, the older nation misinterprets a law to punish the newer one. Sometimes, it ignores the law completely, and invents its own. Regardless, the community tends to side with the older nation, even when the older nation is in the wrong.

Sadly, this kind of bullying isn't limited to the CFN. This is very common in most communities where the power is held by a small group.

Latrovia wrote:I agree with both of you

But what do we do?

Outer Oz wrote:Yes, quite. The converse is that if a nation has made itself socially or politically unpopular, or even if it is just a relative newcomer, it is much more likely that the laws will be strictly enforced against them.

The real tragedy is that when an older nation mistakenly or incorrectly enforces a law against a newer nation. Sometimes, the older nation misinterprets a law to punish the newer one. Sometimes, it ignores the law completely, and invents its own. Regardless, the community tends to side with the older nation, even when the older nation is in the wrong.

Sadly, this kind of bullying isn't limited to the CFN. This is very common in most communities where the power is held by a small group.

But what do we do?

Truth be told, I don't really know. Nobody seems to care about whats right anymore and we have formed some sort of an elite group were two people with no administrative powers can shape the region as they like.

It's the same people that blame me about my work as a President but yet again the success of the region has come under the reforms that my team and I made. Therefor idk and quite frankly if the region does not want to have justice and occasionally turn a blind eye towards it's eldest members then - enjoy hell.

Kalaron wrote:They do, interpretation is important though.

Ru was ejected from the Discord because I interpreted the Enemy of the State act to include him as it applies backwards before it's inception.

However, the problem is that the condemnation of him happened inside of the VC, leaving me in the position of remembering it, but not having evidence.

Furthermore, he had no legal rights as a non-resident.

I would like to see the citation and the administrative acts against Valt and Ru dictating them as "Enemies of the State".

Unwritten laws that only you get to remember, are NO laws.

Latrovia wrote:I would like to see the citation and the administrative acts against Valt and Ru dictating them as "Enemies of the State".

Administrative law is another topic here that is widely abused. There's no review process for the enactment or repeal of administrative regulations. The executive officers of the region basically have carte blanche.

Outer Oz wrote:Administrative law is another topic here that is widely abused. There's no review process for the enactment or repeal of administrative regulations. The executive officers of the region basically have carte blanche.

I don't quite agree. Even administrative laws should be written down, presented to the public and stored on our archives, until a new cabinet chooses to take down that act.

Latrovia wrote:I don't quite agree. Even administrative laws should be written down, presented to the public and stored on our archives, until a new cabinet chooses to take down that act.

Sorry if I was unclear. We are making the same point. Administrative laws DO need to be recorded, and the public needs to be able to offer input in a hearing before the executive branch can enact or repeal a policy.

For example, look at the Tecmonaenov affair. He/she returned, based on an administrative rule (the policy stated in the citizenship/residency application). He/she claimed that the executive branch violated its own rule by ejecting him.

This wasn't popular, so the Minister of the Interior just repealed the administrative rule sua sponte. There was no review process. That's simply not justice.

Latrovia

Outer Oz wrote:sua sponte
can you explain what this means?

Yukona wrote:can you explain what this means?

A legal action taken by an authority figure without being asked to or without review by the public. The residency application is an important legal document, and it shouldn't be changed simply at the will of whoever has editing rights at the time. There needs to be at least some kind of accountability. The government needs to keep a record of changes made to those policies, and the public needs to be able to offer its input before the government changes it.

Andromitus, Yukona

Outer Oz wrote:Sorry if I was unclear. We are making the same point. Administrative laws DO need to be recorded, and the public needs to be able to offer input in a hearing before the executive branch can enact or repeal a policy.

For example, look at the Tecmonaenov affair. He/she returned, based on an administrative rule (the policy stated in the citizenship/residency application). He/she claimed that the executive branch violated its own rule by ejecting him.

This wasn't popular, so the Minister of the Interior just repealed the administrative rule sua sponte. There was no review process. That's simply not justice.

Oz, what I am trying to say is that I don't agree on the way policies are ran in here. I agree with you that administrative laws need to be recorded, even though I am not sure towards on how much the public's opinion is needed on this, while taking in consideration that citizens do request that somebody gets to be called as "Enemy of the State".

Beyond that, my issue is that laws like these and decisions like these, should not just be "unspoken rules" ; or "unwritten laws". Even worse when the HoD is not informed and has not voted on these matters.

To elaborate, I am not saying that EVERY government action needs to be subject to review by the public before it is made. I am saying that the government needs to keep itself transparent and accountable when it is promulgating and deleting policies that widely affect the region.

The citizenship/residency application stated that everyone is automatically a resident as soon as they arrive in the region. If a legal document created by the government (even if it isn't approved by a legislative event) extends a right or privilege to the public, the public needs to be notified the government intends to remove that right. There needs to be a formal review process.

On the other hand, a specific decision made by the Minister to deny citizenship status does not extend a right or privilege to the public. It is purely an application of law or policy, so it does not need to be subject to review.

Latrovia wrote:Oz, what I am trying to say is that I don't agree on the way policies are ran in here. I agree with you that administrative laws need to be recorded, even though I am not sure towards on how much the public's opinion is needed on this, while taking in consideration that citizens do request that somebody gets to be called as "Enemy of the State".

Beyond that, my issue is that laws like these and decisions like these, should not just be "unspoken rules" ; or "unwritten laws". Even worse when the HoD is not informed and has not voted on these matters.

See my above post. I think we are on the same page?

Theres still lots of positions open for the 2020 Economic Forum in Budapest :)

Latrovia wrote:I would like to see the citation and the administrative acts against Valt and Ru dictating them as "Enemies of the State".

Unwritten laws that only you get to remember, are NO laws.

I'd love to show you the statement marking Valt an enemy of the state, unfortunately, Ru kinda banned everyone from the Region and Discord while he was trying to usurp power :D

Latrovia wrote:Truth be told, I don't really know. Nobody seems to care about whats right anymore and we have formed some sort of an elite group were two people with no administrative powers can shape the region as they like.

It's the same people that blame me about my work as a President but yet again the success of the region has come under the reforms that my team and I made. Therefor idk and quite frankly if the region does not want to have justice and occasionally turn a blind eye towards it's eldest members then - enjoy hell.

What are you even talking about?

Those two can convince people to vote with them? Because they have no power in your statement, and convincing people to vote with you is a basic principle of democracy.

People didn't like you during your presidency, this isn't even related to whether the region still works weeks into a different president's term, it's related to how you're a crybaby when people vote against you.

You legit tried to implement a failed law, you got stopped.

You legit insulted people.

You legit made such a big damn fuss about people "showing l their true colours" that President's needed permission to post on threads.

Outer Oz wrote:To elaborate, I am not saying that EVERY government action needs to be subject to review by the public before it is made. I am saying that the government needs to keep itself transparent and accountable when it is promulgating and deleting policies that widely affect the region.

The citizenship/residency application stated that everyone is automatically a resident as soon as they arrive in the region. If a legal document created by the government (even if it isn't approved by a legislative event) extends a right or privilege to the public, the public needs to be notified the government intends to remove that right. There needs to be a formal review process.

On the other hand, a specific decision made by the Minister to deny citizenship status does not extend a right or privilege to the public. It is purely an application of law or policy, so it does not need to be subject to review.

Fully agreed on this. I would also like to add that it's stupid on it's own sense to keep going back and forth on the current roster that we have. It's highly annoying for anyone that has been admitted once and has been a WA nation for quite some time, to lose his citizenship status just because some people feel safe in that way.

Many people that are in this region are members of other regions as well. And yes some of them are soldiers, some of them are spies and some of them simply want to keep their peace and their identity safe without having to face trouble wherever they go.

New laws and policies should apply only to new applicants, not old members and citizens of the community.

Is there a problem with my work here ?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Is there a problem with my work here ?

Yes, but don't take it personally. I think you are a wonderful and charming person. My concern is that the norm here is that the government fails to keep itself procedurally accountable.

Kalaron wrote:I'd love to show you the statement marking Valt an enemy of the state, unfortunately, Ru kinda banned everyone from the Region and Discord while he was trying to usurp power :D

What are you even talking about?

Those two can convince people to vote with them? Because they have no power in your statement, and convincing people to vote with you is a basic principle of democracy.

People didn't like you during your presidency, this isn't even related to whether the region still works weeks into a different president's term, it's related to how you're a crybaby when people vote against you.

You legit tried to implement a failed law, you got stopped.

You legit insulted people.

You legit made such a big damn fuss about people "showing l their true colours" that President's needed permission to post on threads.

Kalaron, there was no way that I could be stopped passing a policy in my own government and in my own Ministries on whether I should create more jobs or not.

The President is here to administrate the government and the region as well. The President administrates his government, not the HoD. These are principles that your head doesn't get.

Additionally the only reason why that bill that you "Always" mention was introduced in the HoD in the first place, it was to show my good spirit in having better cooperation with the HoD and the delegates themselves. I didn't need to go around private messaging people to why they should vote against that bill.

There were a lot of people that also liked my Presidency and I ran for the second time just for them. Just because you didn't like me, as you never liked me since the beginning of my campaign that does not make me a bad President.

I was a new member, with new ideas which I implemented so some people around here can take credit for.

As for the insult part. This is a really old joke. I am still insulting anyone who is insulting me. That's the funny part of democracy aye.

Outer Oz

Kalaron wrote:I'd love to show you the statement marking Valt an enemy of the state, unfortunately, Ru kinda banned everyone from the Region and Discord while he was trying to usurp power :D

Then its not really a law here. You can't enforce an unwritten law from a dead region. That's just ridiculous.

Kalaron wrote:

What are you even talking about?

Those two can convince people to vote with them? Because they have no power in your statement, and convincing people to vote with you is a basic principle of democracy.

People didn't like you during your presidency, this isn't even related to whether the region still works weeks into a different president's term, it's related to how you're a crybaby when people vote against you.

You legit tried to implement a failed law, you got stopped.

You legit insulted people.

You legit made such a big damn fuss about people "showing l their true colours" that President's needed permission to post on threads.

We are talking about how the way laws and policies are created and enforced is just as important as what the laws actually say.

Outer Oz wrote:Then its not really a law here. You can't enforce an unwritten law from a dead region. That's just ridiculous.

We are talking about how the way laws and policies are created and enforced is just as important as what the laws actually say.

Tadaaa...

Outer Oz wrote:Yes, but don't take it personally. I think you are a wonderful and charming person. My concern is that the norm here is that the government fails to keep itself procedurally accountable.

Okay.

Feel free to call a motion for my impeachment or a vote of confidence if you think I am not suiting the position.

I am also willing to resign if it's the will of the people. You just need to tell me.

If you are not okay with my procedures you should TG me and talk to me.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Okay.

Feel free to call a motion for my impeachment or a vote of confidence if you think I am not suiting the position.

I am also willing to resign if it's the will of the people. You just need to tell me.

If you are not okay with my procedures you should TG me and talk to me.

Peng he is simply saying that there were better ways that you could have managed that situation.

Outer Oz

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Okay.

Feel free to call a motion for my impeachment or a vote of confidence if you think I am not suiting the position.

I am also willing to resign if it's the will of the people. You just need to tell me.

Its not about you. Its about how the government as a whole, not any one person, needs to be more accountable.

If you are not okay with my procedures you should TG me and talk to me. [/quote]

I literally just said all of my thoughts on this on the RMB.

Latrovia wrote:snip

And Vista had nearly three times the votes you did.

Wow, real wonder why.

Congrats, you did submit the bill, then when it failed massively you threatened to intergrate it as a policy.

Glad we have a timeline of events.

You're right though, people just said that it was highly immoral after you threatened it :D

Nope, I didn't mind you becoming President, I care about you never admitting to having done anything wrong because you literally do just what you did right now, you try to rewrite history so everyone hated you from the start.

So I convince people in private message (as I recall, you actually literally said that if me and Unf wanted to debate your bill, it should be in private message with you) and gave them my arguments.

How exactly are you going to make that into a villainous thing? "They voted no on my bill because Kal!"? They voted as they wanted, I just gave them facts.

I'm happy you admit to insulting people.

None of this matters though because people don't even read this.

Latrovia wrote:Peng he is simply saying that there were better ways that you could have managed that situation.

But are people helping me with difficult questions? No.

I get answers like "act within the laws and the constitution". That isn't very helpful.

I know I am a minister but that doesn't mean I am always doing the right thing or know everything. People don't talk to me regarding those matters.

Jaslandia

Latrovia wrote:Peng he is simply saying that there were better ways that you could have managed that situation.

Yes, exactly. Because that document didn't just affect the rights of Tecmonaenov and the validity of his claim against President Vista. It affected the entire region. Changing it essentially turned every single unregistered resident into a non-resident.

That's a big change. Big changes like that need to be subject to the public's input. (Not approval, but input. Simply the ability to comment before the official change is made.) Furthermore, the government needs to keep a record of official policy changes like that.

As a matter of course, the government has not been doing these things. The attitude has been "as long as its not an Act of the HoD, we can change it as we please, and we don't have to keep a record of what we do." That's not acceptable.

Outer Oz wrote:I literally just said all of my thoughts on this on the RMB.

But I don't read every message on the RMB. Simply because I don't have the time to read 60 or so messages.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:But I don't read every message on the RMB. Simply because I don't have the time to read 60 or so messages.

Yea, I also am not gonna waste my time reading each and every comment of the daily flame war

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Yukona

Post self-deleted by Penguania And Antarctica.

Outer Oz wrote:Yes, exactly. Because that document didn't just affect the rights of Tecmonaenov and the validity of his claim against President Vista. It affected the entire region. Changing it essentially turned every single unregistered resident into a non-resident.

That's a big change. Big changes like that need to be subject to the public's input. (Not approval, but input. Simply the ability to comment before the official change is made.) Furthermore, the government needs to keep a record of official policy changes like that.

As a matter of course, the government has not been doing these things. The attitude has been "as long as its not an Act of the HoD, we can change it as we please, and we don't have to keep a record of what we do." That's not acceptable.

Okay. I will face the consequences. I think I gonna clean my office and pack my stuff then.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:But are people helping me with difficult questions? No.

I get answers like "act within the laws and the constitution". That isn't very helpful.

I know I am a minister but that doesn't mean I am always doing the right thing or know everything. People don't talk to me regarding those matters.

Please do not feel insulted or attacked. I am using your official actions as an example of how the standard practice is not acceptable. Its nothing against you personally.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Okay. I will face the consequences. I think I gonna clean my office and pack my stuff then.

Or you can stay in office and create positive change?

Outer Oz wrote:Or you can stay in office and create positive change?

Any suggestions?

Outer Oz, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Any suggestions?

For starters, create a record of ministry actions. Every time citizenship or residency is approved or granted, add it to the log. Every time you intend to change an official ministry policy, notify the public before hand and ask for input. The public's comments might change your mind. And, if you do decide to change policy, add it to the log.

Also, create an appeals process so that an applicant can petition for review of your office's decision to deny citizenship. An independent committee that can act as a check on any bias in your decisionmaking.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Baxten wrote:Yea, I also am not gonna waste my time reading each and every comment of the daily flame war

Yup, is pretty pointless.

Anyhow Bax how are you?

The Vidnoye wrote:Theres still lots of positions open for the 2020 Economic Forum in Budapest :)

Im surprised [nation=short]Baxten[/nation] hasn't capitalized on that yet; judging by the way your happy president for life seems to be running things is pretty economically sound

Oelesa

Kalaron wrote:And Vista had nearly three times the votes you did.

Wow, real wonder why.

Congrats, you did submit the bill, then when it failed massively you threatened to intergrate it as a policy.

Glad we have a timeline of events.

You're right though, people just said that it was highly immoral after you threatened it :D

Nope, I didn't mind you becoming President, I care about you never admitting to having done anything wrong because you literally do just what you did right now, you try to rewrite history so everyone hated you from the start.

So I convince people in private message (as I recall, you actually literally said that if me and Unf wanted to debate your bill, it should be in private message with you) and gave them my arguments.

How exactly are you going to make that into a villainous thing? "They voted no on my bill because Kal!"? They voted as they wanted, I just gave them facts.

I'm happy you admit to insulting people.

None of this matters though because people don't even read this.

Lol I expected better.

So we were 3 or 4 people running for President this time? Yeah I guess voting number go the same when 2 people run only and when 3-4 people run. Good maths.

Lol I threatened? Why would I need to do that? Do you even know what the heck you talking about. If I wanted I could simply do it. It was MY government, MY administration.

Haha yeah take the rest of your hating and back to your cave. ;)

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Any suggestions?

Peng, dear Peng.

You don't need to leave office so you can make a positive impact. Stay in office and make that impact yourself.

I would suggest making your office "more professional". Create logs of people's applications. Their responses, their oath of citizenship, the date that they applied, information that you reviewed during your citizenship overview etc.

In your case I would be creating a database of everyone's cit. application. And I would post information like, what did the applicant write on their cit. application, the date that they've sent the cit. application and perhaps what I reviewed before accepting or rejecting that specific application.

You don't have to be fast on accepting or rejecting an application. You can take your time so you can validate their WA membership, their nation etc.

Outer Oz

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:But are people helping me with difficult questions? No.

I get answers like "act within the laws and the constitution". That isn't very helpful.

I know I am a minister but that doesn't mean I am always doing the right thing or know everything. People don't talk to me regarding those matters.

Feel free if you need help on how to do something to ask me. I have been in government for manyyyyy years. :p

Outer Oz wrote:Yes, exactly. Because that document didn't just affect the rights of Tecmonaenov and the validity of his claim against President Vista. It affected the entire region. Changing it essentially turned every single unregistered resident into a non-resident.

That's a big change. Big changes like that need to be subject to the public's input. (Not approval, but input. Simply the ability to comment before the official change is made.) Furthermore, the government needs to keep a record of official policy changes like that.

As a matter of course, the government has not been doing these things. The attitude has been "as long as its not an Act of the HoD, we can change it as we please, and we don't have to keep a record of what we do." That's not acceptable.

Oz who the f*ck are you? You're amazing. You impressed me <3

Outer Oz

Latrovia wrote:Oz who the f*ck are you? You're amazing. You impressed me <3

Haha thanks. I'm just a policy wonk with too much time on his hands.

Andromitus wrote:Im surprised [nation=short]Baxten[/nation] hasn't capitalized on that yet; judging by the way your happy president for life seems to be running things is pretty economically sound

Well I'll take the investors and friends that I can get and Ill make the ones that didnt regret it :)

Outer Oz wrote:Haha thanks. I'm just a policy wonk with too much time on his hands.

Well I am a lot of stuff. Like a former member of EU's parliament, an AIESECer, a Coordinator of Healthcare in the Albanian Red Cross, a policy wonk as well and of course I've been in the game for too looooong. :P

Outer Oz

Latrovia wrote:Well I am a lot of stuff. Like a former member of EU's parliament, an AIESECer, a Coordinator of Healthcare in the Albanian Red Cross, a policy wonk as well and of course I've been in the game for too looooong. :P

You have a very impressive background :)

Outer Oz wrote:You have a very impressive background :)

Well I hope to do better for the people and all. This region deserves a lot, but has a lot of issues on itself.

Latrovia wrote:Well I hope to do better for the people and all. This region deserves a lot, but has a lot of issues on itself.

Are you describing the CFN or the EU?

Outer Oz wrote:Are you describing the CFN or the EU?

The COFN of course.

Andromitus wrote:Im surprised [nation=short]Baxten[/nation] hasn't capitalized on that yet; judging by the way your happy president for life seems to be running things is pretty economically sound

I just haven't gotten the opportunity to post an acceptance. I'm gonna do it

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INFORMAL: THE UK WILL BE KICKING OFF THE REGIONAL SONG CONTEST SOON.

PS: UK's Commonwealths will compete with separate songs.

Magnatronia, Percyton

([nation=short]Latrovia[/nation]) Dr. Harry Tsoukla; I believe we're ready to proceed

Andromitus wrote:([nation=short]Latrovia[/nation]) Dr. Harry Tsoukla; I believe we're ready to proceed

Alrighty imma check that later. GF is waiting for her Daddy! :P

Oh sh!t Tserra cte'd.

No. Hopefully he comes back. :(

Jaslandia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh sh!t Tserra cte'd.

No. Hopefully he comes back. :(

Humph has CTE as well

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:Humph has CTE as well

NOOO. :(

Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh sh!t Tserra cte'd.

No. Hopefully he comes back. :(

We have lost a great man in the community. He was kind, moderate, and wise, and I always had a great respect for Tse, as did many others. We can only hope that whatever he's doing now, he finds success in it.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:Alrighty imma check that later. GF is waiting for her Daddy! :P

I did not consent.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Magnatronia

Sulania wrote:I did not consent.

You better be finding a cool national entry for the regional song contest (Similar to Eurovision) . Except if the Reich will be competing with only one entry.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:INFORMAL: THE UK WILL BE KICKING OFF THE REGIONAL SONG CONTEST SOON.

PS: UK's Commonwealths will compete with separate songs.

I was wondering about the song contest, and I'm glad to hear it's still happening. Percyton has quite a few options when it comes to entries, so we'll be sure to enter once we decide which song will be our entry.

Jaslandia, Latrovia, Penguania And Antarctica

Hello people. Have a nice First Contact Day. :)

\\// Live long and prosper

[spoiler=Today is April 5 and today are:]

Today is April 5 and today are:

- Cheng Ming Festival (Macau)

- Childhelp National Day of Hope (United States)

- Children's Day (Palestinian territories)

- Cold Food Festival (China)

- First Contact Day (Star Trek community)

- Gold Star Wives Day

- National Caramel Day (United States)

- National Dandelion Day (United States)

- National Deep Dish Pizza Day (United States)

- National Go For Broke Day (United States)

- National Raisin and Spice Bar Day (United States)

- National Read a Road Map Day (United States)

- National Walking Day (United States)

- Paraprofessional Appreciation Day

- Sikmogil (South Korea)

- Tomb Sweeping Day (Taiwan)

- Whole Grain Sampling Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 823 – Lothair I is crowned King of Italy by Pope Paschal I.

- 1081 – Alexios I Komnenos is crowned Byzantine emperor at Constantinople, bringing the Komnenian dynasty to full power.

- 1242 – During the Battle on the Ice of Lake Peipus, Russian forces, led by Alexander Nevsky, rebuff an invasion attempt by the Teutonic Knights.

- 1536 – Royal Entry of Charles V into Rome: The last Roman triumph.

- 1566 – Two-hundred Dutch noblemen, led by Hendrick van Brederode, force themselves into the presence of Margaret of Parma and present the Petition of Compromise, denouncing the Spanish Inquisition in the Seventeen Provinces.

- 1609 – Daimyo (Lord) Shimazu Tadatsune of the Satsuma Domain in southern Kyūshū, Japan, completes his successful invasion of the Ryūkyū Kingdom in Okinawa.

- 1614 – In Virginia, Native American Pocahontas marries English colonist John Rolfe.

- 1621 – The Mayflower sets sail from Plymouth, Massachusetts on a return trip to England.

- 1710 – The Statute of Anne receives the Royal Assent establishing the Copyright law of the United Kingdom.

- 1722 – The Dutch explorer Jacob Roggeveen discovers Easter Island.

- 1792 – United States President George Washington exercises his authority to veto a bill, the first time this power is used in the United States.

- 1795 – Peace of Basel between France and Prussia is made.

- 1818 – In the Battle of Maipú, Chile's independence movement, led by Bernardo O'Higgins and José de San Martín, win a decisive victory over Spain, leaving 2,000 Spaniards and 1,000 Chilean patriots dead.

- 1862 – American Civil War: The Battle of Yorktown begins.

- 1879 – Chile declares war on Bolivia and Peru, starting the War of the Pacific.

- 1900 – Archaeologists in Knossos, Crete, discover a large cache of clay tablets with hieroglyphic writing in a script they call Linear B.

- 1904 – The first international rugby league match is played between England and an Other Nationalities team (Welsh & Scottish players) in Central Park, Wigan, England.

- 1915 – Boxing challenger Jess Willard knocks out Jack Johnson in Havana, Cuba to become the Heavyweight Champion of the World.

- 1922 – The American Birth Control League, forerunner of Planned Parenthood, is incorporated.

- 1932 – Dominion of Newfoundland: Ten thousand rioters seize the Colonial Building leading to the end of self-government.

- 1933 – U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs two executive orders: 6101 to establish the Civilian Conservation Corps, and 6102 "forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion, and Gold Certificates" by U.S. citizens.

- 1936 – Tupelo–Gainesville tornado outbreak: An F5 tornado kills 233 in Tupelo, Mississippi.

- 1942 – World War II: The Imperial Japanese Navy launches a carrier-based air attack on Colombo, Ceylon during the Indian Ocean raid. Port and civilian facilities are damaged and the Royal Navy cruisers HMS Cornwall and HMS Dorsetshire are sunk southwest of the island.

- 1943 – World War II: American bomber aircraft accidentally cause more than 900 civilian deaths, including 209 children, and 1,300 wounded among the civilian population of the Belgian town of Mortsel. Their target was the Erla factory one kilometer from the residential area hit.

- 1944 – World War II: Two hundred seventy inhabitants of the Greek town of Kleisoura are executed by the Germans.

- 1945 – Cold War: Yugoslav leader Josip Broz Tito signs an agreement with the Soviet Union to allow "temporary entry of Soviet troops into Yugoslav territory".

- 1949 – A fire in a hospital in Effingham, Illinois, kills 77 people and leads to nationwide fire code improvements in the United States.

- 1951 – Ethel and Julius Rosenberg are sentenced to death for spying for the Soviet Union.

- 1956 – Fidel Castro declares himself at war with Cuban President Fulgencio Batista.

- 1956 – In Sri Lanka, the Mahajana Eksath Peramuna win the general elections in a landslide and S. W. R. D. Bandaranaike is sworn in as the Prime Minister of Ceylon.

- 1957 – In India, Communists win the first elections in united Kerala and E. M. S. Namboodiripad is sworn in as the first Chief Minister.

- 1958 – Ripple Rock, an underwater threat to navigation in the Seymour Narrows in Canada is destroyed in one of the largest non-nuclear controlled explosions of the time.

- 1969 – Vietnam War: Massive antiwar demonstrations occur in many U.S. cities.

- 1971 – In Sri Lanka, Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna launches a revolt against the United Front government of Sirimavo Bandaranaike.

- 1976 – In the People's Republic of China, the April Fifth Movement leads to the Tiananmen Incident.

- 1986 – Three people are killed in the bombing of the La Belle discotheque in West Berlin, Germany.

- 1991 – An ASA EMB 120 crashes in Brunswick, Georgia, killing all 23 aboard including Sen. John Tower and astronaut Sonny Carter.

- 1992 – Alberto Fujimori, president of Peru, dissolves the Peruvian congress by military force.

- 1992 – Peace protesters Suada Dilberovic and Olga Sučić are killed on the Vrbanja Bridge in Sarajevo, becoming the first casualties of the Bosnian War.

- 1998 – In Japan, the Akashi Kaikyō Bridge opens to traffic, becoming the longest bridge span in the world.

- 1999 – Two Libyans suspected of bringing down Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988 are handed over for eventual trial in the Netherlands.

- 2009 – North Korea launches its controversial Kwangmyŏngsŏng-2 rocket. The satellite passed over mainland Japan, which prompted an immediate reaction from the United Nations Security Council, as well as participating states of Six-party talks.

- 2010 – Twenty-nine coal miners are killed in an explosion at the Upper Big Branch Mine in West Virginia.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1588 – Thomas Hobbes, English philosopher

- 1804 – Matthias Jakob Schleiden, German botanist and co-founder of cell theory

- 1856 – Booker T. Washington, African-American educator, essayist and historian

- 1900 – Spencer Tracy, American actor

- 1908 – Herbert von Karajan, Austrian conductor and manager

- 1908 – Bette Davis, American actress

- 1909 – Albert R. Broccoli, American film producer, co-founded Eon Productions

- 1912 – John Le Mesurier, English actor

- 1916 – Gregory Peck, American actor, political activist, and producer

- 1917 – Robert Bloch, American author

- 1934 – Roman Herzog, German lawyer and politician, 7th President of Germany

- 1937 – Colin Powell, American general and politician, 65th United States Secretary of State

- 1950 – Agnetha Fältskog, Swedish singer-songwriter and producer (ABBA)

- 1955 – Akira Toriyama, Japanese illustrator

- 1973 – Pharrell Williams, American rapper, producer, and fashion designer

- 1978 – Franziska van Almsick, German swimmer

- 1979 – Timo Hildebrand, German footballer

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Quote of the day

Happiness is not something you postpone for the future; it is something you design for the present.

- Jim Rohn -

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Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

UK's latest news:

https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/849662529244729344

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https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/848108995864866816

https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/848108367042281472

https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/847850674171891712

https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/847849565625700354

Percyton

Percyton wrote:I was wondering about the song contest, and I'm glad to hear it's still happening. Percyton has quite a few options when it comes to entries, so we'll be sure to enter once we decide which song will be our entry.

Exactly what he said. :)

Jaslandia, Percyton

Percyton wrote:I was wondering about the song contest, and I'm glad to hear it's still happening. Percyton has quite a few options when it comes to entries, so we'll be sure to enter once we decide which song will be our entry.

The NLBC (National Latrovian Broadcast Corporation) is at your service. Their teams just started the work to kick off the first song contest. I've been hearing that they wanna make it a huge thing.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Quick question; when is the next election period?

Andromitus wrote:Quick question; when is the next election period?

Well, we all got appointed 49 days ago, which means there will be an election soon because the interval is 2 months.

But now the question is: does 2 months mean 62 days, 60 days or 61 days ?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Well, we all got appointed 49 days ago, which means there will be an election soon because the interval is 2 months.

But now the question is: does 2 months mean 62 days, 60 days or 61 days ?

I am still fresh into this Confederacy but I think for pure simplicity and nothing more i would say 60 days. Nice and even.

Penguania And Antarctica

Y'all see, I want to open my borders, but the only other nation that's near me is Merlinton :P

Merlinton, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Andromitus wrote:Y'all see, I want to open my borders, but the only other nation that's near me is Merlinton :P

I have no neighbours at all. :(

Jaslandia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I have no neighbours at all. :(

Peng we are neighbors in spirit.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I have no neighbours at all. :(

The world is your neighbor pengy, your surrounded on all sides!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:We have lost a great man in the community. He was kind, moderate, and wise, and I always had a great respect for Tse, as did many others. We can only hope that whatever he's doing now, he finds success in it.

Oh no! Will we have to get a person to fill his role in the founder account. Now it's just Kal and Sul, and I don't know how politically smart that is.

Jaslandia

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