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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Ok. There's your consent.
The use of government services in any way is giving consent to be taxed.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Also, I think this discussion is at risk of growing out of hand.
Like, a summer cold? Hopefully you're feeling better!
Oi, Nurem! Why do we always get to here? Flared tempers often come with political discourse, and I admit the rape equating is crass (and should probably stop as I imagine it doesn't make the mods too happy) but let's not name call. Please.
Penguania And Antarctica
Paying taxes is like rape, yes. I try to be as good as I can and that includes helping others, but I don't think people that want to spend their money on something else shouldn't be allowed to. How is it selfish to want to keep your money but not selfish to control what other people do with their money?
>Tfw you suddenly realize you have the highest tax rates in the region
TAX THE TOOTHBRUSHES
Oh, you poor thing. Being forced to pay for others to get treatment for their illnesses. Your life must be so hard. My heart bleeds.
Okay, Con. I'll put it a nicer way.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
Axeldonia
Nah, not a summer cold. Just collywobbles (?)
No. I need electricity and water, and government is the only option. There are barely any private roads, because the government doesn't allow it. There is almost no private healthcare in Iceland, except for 2 clinics and dental healthcare. In Iceland you don't have any options, you have no idea how lucky you are
Definitely better. Attack the argument and ideology, not the person specifically.
It's the same thing. Open your eyes. And I just have one question. If I would live in a desert, and not use any public services, would I still have to pay taxes?
Huh, that's actually a term. I've never heard it before. Drink some ginger tea!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
What about a poor person in America who cannot afford dental care even though they have a choice of private dentists to go to, all of which are very expensive. Should their teeth just rot or should they get themselves into debt just to receive a basic human right, i.e. healthcare.
Axeldonia
>Dismissing the Scandinavian utopia
Vad i Olof Palmes namn pågår här
Bruh, I was rooting for you until you compared taxes to sexual assault. One's gonna traumatize you, the other'll take some of your income. It's not even close to the same.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Even though the person is morally questionable?
Yes. As a citizen of your nation, your are obliged to pay taxes as a civic duty, just as you are obliged to obey your country's laws. It's called being a civilised human being.
Axeldonia
Conservatives give a lot more to charities than liberals
Healthcare is not a human right. It's a service that another person provides
Penguania And Antarctica
To be honest, it's the Icelandic dude and Nurem's fault. Nurem's being snarky af, and Icelandic dude can't let it go.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
I am not obliged to do anything, and are you going to force me to be civilized?
I looked that term up in my online dictionary. It said it's an idiom. So I thought people will know it.
And I don't have ginger tea. I'm doing okay tho. No tea needed.
Jaslandia
Yup. Always. If morals were objective truths, we wouldn't have arguments over things such as the death penalty
Just because you say it does not make it true. Also, if services were properly funded, there would be no need for charities.
Also, giving to a charity does not make you some kind of saint or superman. Gotta love people like you. "I'm such a good person because I give to charity, but I'll be damned if I need to pay taxes to help people less fortunate than myself!"
The only ones deserving of the death penalty are toothbrush privatizers
Ho guus Im new here
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
And this is where we differ ideologically so there is no point in debating it further. You think it's a commodity, I think it's a human right.
Jaslandia
Get out now, while you still can.
Magnatronia
I find it okay that I pay to taxes, don't you get it? I just don't think that the government should force people that don't want to do it
I aint no ho
Axeldonia
Services are funded, and it has never worked in the long run. And by the way, if giving to charity doesn't make you a good person what does?
If that option was given, society would collapse since nobody or very few people would pay taxes, and then public services would cease to exist. Then it would be open to private companies which would turn the country into a free market hell hole in which the rich prosper and the poor suffer.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia
Depends on the context tbh
Hey, that sounds pretty cool though
Art. 25 Section 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
"Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Friedensreich
I'm sure it does.
Magnatronia
Hello and welcome. I am Peng.
Make yourself at home and enjoy your stay. :)
Jaslandia, Autists Republic Of Nababana
This is just an arbitrary sentence, unlike the right to life and property
The only good anarchism is Anarcho-Hoxhaism
I wanna build my bunkers wherever I damn well please
Magnatronia
You mean a free market where everything would be super cheap and the poor could finally dig themselves out of the hole that they are stuck in?
But according to you, the right to life does not extend to helping someone survive their cancer so....
Axeldonia
Arbitrary?
Axeldonia
Well you all make a nice crowd. If any of you are outcasts of this world, someone socially inept, fat, maybe someone who cant get the old poontang, ditch your dreams and join the Geek Revolution!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Negative action
That's your idealised version. In reality, that isn't what would happen. Since corporations would rule the roost, there'd be no need to make things cheap since those with money can afford whatever the price of goods and services would be. The poor, like myself, would be unable to access such commodities.
Jaslandia
Arbitrary
Ah yes, a market where everythinhg would be super cheap because companies would outsource the work to chinese factory workers kept in perpetual property. If they're not in my country, they're not my problem!
Nuremgard
*Poverty. God, I can't spell today.
And the products would not be subject to regulation or standards. Woo! Sounds awesome! Where do I sign up?
Axeldonia
Why is this an 'arbitrary right' ?
Axeldonia
It isn't, which is exactly my point
Something a right winger doesn't like.
Axeldonia
But why did you say it's arbitrary ?
Axeldonia
"Lucky"? I'm actually very unlucky.
I have to pay out of pocket for my healthcare despite being a student with no taxable income and private water and electricity that has unstable prices that have in the past and always will jump up unexpectedly.
You don't know how lucky you are to have such simplicity.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia
But it's so simple, mate. Just get a better job. Or two or three or four. Work harder, you lazy peasant! You only deserve things like healthcare if you can afford it!
Axeldonia
With just a simple phone call (9.99$ per second) you too can get your Shoddily made and probably dangerous foregin product(TM) for just the low low price of 99.9$ dollars*
*Hazards may include decapitated fingers, mysterious sores, breathing difficulty, the developing of several chronic diseases, rashes or death. If you experience one of more of these, feel free to call one of the hundreds of clinics avaliable nearby, all equally expensive due to no government competiton. And seeing as you're probably gonna die or sustain serious injuries, you literally can't afford to refuse! No refunds.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
>Dislikes abortions
>Doesn't think that proper healthcare is a right
>"I'm pro-life"
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
This is only a right because someone says it's a right
Socialgasm!!!
Penguania And Antarctica
Yeah, right wingers are pro-life except when it comes to:
Killing brown people in foreign countries.
Killing criminals.
Killing people by making sure they don't get proper healthcare.
Axeldonia
Lol. The right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness is literally just a right some guy said one day.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
So is every rule and right.
Axeldonia
I like you already. :)
Autists Republic Of Nababana
We should go back to the days when nobody had rights and you could only get ahead in life by being rich.
Ah, those were the days. The lord in his castle, the peasant at his gate. God made them high and low, and ordered their estate.
Axeldonia
I mean, what right did they have to revolt anyways? Those farming implements where made under feudalism!
Nuremgard
It's a natural right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights
They should have just counted their blessings and let their betters rule over them with impunity.
Axeldonia
Will you join me in my geek revolution, to over throw the normies and big headed jocks, and establish a society where all nerds and geeks are treated equally?
What do i need to do to get started in the rp here. Whats the tech?
Penguania And Antarctica
If I had police powers, I would've suppressed the last 4 pages of the RMB
Axeldonia
Illiberal fiend.
Axeldonia
There is no such thing as a natural right.
Axeldonia
You know it, pal
Axeldonia
>Normies
I'm probably to SJW for you tastes M8
This is probably the last RP post I make before my two week long vacation to Italy. RIP I guess
I personally believe we do have natural rights. We have them by virtue of being human. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, property, healthcare, education, security in old age, a fair trial etc. etc.
SJW? Ew.
I mean the right to life is just a natural law because we said and agreed it's a natural law. The whole concept or rules and laws is man made and therefore there are technically no natural laws.
I agree that there are rules like the right to life which are very very important rules and a natural law of any human being.
But without the concept of natural laws or laws in general there won't be a right to life because the actions of 'mother nature' (I know it sounds mystic but I don't know how to say it without writing a whole novel. So I used this metaphor.) decide who will survive and who will not. Eat or be eaten.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
On that note, I'd like to announce that I'm almost certain that I've gone the last two and a half months in office without an accidental suppression. There's a feat for you!
Nuremgard
Good point. All laws and rights are man made. Without them, nature reigns supreme. And nature is a bitch.
Penguania And Antarctica
My mum is absolutely useless when it comes to buttons. I often say to her, "thank God you're not in the Oval Office, otherwise we'd have been incinerated by now."
I noticed some things got really heated recently, and a few things came a bit too close to the line. Let's try to be more civil in the future, eh?
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Ha! Or Mr. Burns' office.
I don't watch The Simpsons so I don't get that reference lol
What Peng just said.
Natural laws are only given their status because a philosopher one day said "you know, since we're human, we should have special rights just for being human! Let's call them natural rights!"
And people agreed to it. All laws and rights are arbitrary, and it's dishonest to claim one not to be arbitrary when its conception is the same as any other.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
He "releases the hounds" with a button attached to his desk to ravage underperforming employees, or just to be a terrorizing old man.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
Indeed. I for one am glad said philosopher came up with that arbitrary idea.
Penguania And Antarctica
Yes, that's right. That's why most people usually prefer physically well equipped mating partners. There is the right of reproduction granted to every human but unfortunately the natural instinct overrides those man-made rights.
I know a few people I'd love to release the hounds on.
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
Stealing from anyone for a purported just cause only hardens the conscience of the person being plundered and creates self-righteous indignation in the person plundering. Eventually there is enough animosity built up that the have-nots (those being plundered) rise up and remove the haves (the self-righteous), or the haves increase their tyranny over those being oppressed until there is no hope of civility by either party--whether that is in stealing from one's labor or stealing from one's virtue.
I ain't got a natural instinct to reproduce (thankfully!) but I would very much like to have a physically well equipped mating partner!
Penguania And Antarctica
Cheers for that, John Locke.
It's actually Hegel. That's his Master Slave Dialectic in a nut shell.
And the meaning of it is...?
"Love is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed."
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
When ever [nation=short]baxten[/nation] says lol.
Jaslandia
Science, bitches!
Penguania And Antarctica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pocNl2YhZdM
Nuremgard
Ugh. "Love"
Penguania And Antarctica
Locke was one of the first philosophers I read in grammar school. :) (along with Blaise Pascal, de Montesquieu, Malcolm Muggeridge, D Elton Trueblood, and Jacques Ellul)
Oelesa
When two groups, individuals, etc. meet, one will rise above the other, creating a master-slave relationship.
The slave will be grateful towards its master in the beginning. It will thank the master for providing what it requires, and be thankful that the master is so merciful.
But, as time goes on, the slave will grow disenfranchised with the master. It will yearn for an identity that is more than just "I'm a servant for X". It'll want to be its own person. This will frighten the master, whose identity is based on being a master.
During the end of the Dialectic, the slave and master will collide once again. The master will always have a material advantage, but the slave will have a Geist advantage.
Hegel says that when the slave no longer sees his enemy as a master, is when the master has truly lost. The slave is this free.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
No mattter how one tries to evade Hegel, he always lectics back like a boomerang.
Friedensreich, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
He was one of the philosophers I studied in college.
Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
Penguania And Antarctica
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