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Modern Tech Helghan wrote:I was yanking ya chain. I am to..... Sorta plus my battery is fried so it dies like a bloody fly.

I don't die like a bloody fly. I take offense to this statement.

I just came to have a good time but I'm honestly feeling very attacked right now!

Fantrum wrote:Also the cost of the APCs would only cost as much as an MBT initially. Since they do not carry the same armourment or use as much fuel or have as much crew complement. The operating costs would be higher on the MBT due to having to keep it supplyed with more fuel, larger caliber ammunition, and the extra mouth fed. Plus the fact that tracks require more maintainince than tires... that's assuming the APC uses tires that is...

It doesn't use tires, and that doesn't negate the fact that the APC is now more expensive than alternatives that handle the same job with less weight. An engine built to handle the weight would also likely break down more often due to the much smaller space allocated to it.

The fact that it costs as much as an MBT is itself a massive limiter on it you can typically get two IFVs for the same cost.

Friedensreich wrote:Standing militaries are outdated.... just fling a plague or two at the nation that does you wrong and go on your merry way.

Or hire me.

Friedensreich wrote:I don't die like a bloody fly. I take offense to this statement.

I just came to have a good time but I'm honestly feeling very attacked right now!

Not Fried fried (as in fried chicken).........

Kalaron wrote: the APC

Note: I was referring Helg's APC, not the whole category of vehicle.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Or hire me.

Nah, PMCs are unpredictable and easily corruptible... things can end badly if my only source of protection and vengeance is a foreign company.

Russian Fedration, Modern Tech Helghan

Kalaron wrote:Note: I was referring Helg's APC, not the whole category of vehicle.

Again I plan on doing a tungsten alloy for the Pirahna I just want to know if I can.

Given original statement dy/dx Time (for my calc final), where (for my calc final) = to die, find what Fried is about to do.

Russian Fedration

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Again I plan on doing a tungsten alloy for the Pirahna I just want to know if I can.

You could, though it'll weigh quite a bit more than what might be good for it.

Modern Tech Helghan

[spoiler=Today is April 30 and today are:]

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- Children's Day (Mexico)

- Consumer Protection Day (Thailand)

- Education Day (Democratic Republic of the Congo)

- International Jazz Day (UNESCO)

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- Spank Out Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 311 – The Diocletianic Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire ends.

- 313 – Battle of Tzirallum: Emperor Licinius defeats Maximinus II and unifies the Eastern Roman Empire.

- 642 – Chindasuinth is proclaimed king by the Visigothic nobility and bishops.

- 1315 – Enguerrand de Marigny is hanged at the instigation of Charles, Count of Valois.

- 1492 – Spain gives Christopher Columbus his commission of exploration.

- 1513 – Edmund de la Pole, Yorkist pretender to the English throne, is executed on the orders of Henry VIII.

- 1557 – Mapuche leader Lautaro is killed by Spanish forces at the Battle of Mataquito in Chile.

- 1598 – Juan de Oñate makes a formal declaration of his Conquest of New Mexico.

- 1598 – Henry IV of France issues the Edict of Nantes, allowing freedom of religion to the Huguenots.

- 1636 – Eighty Years' War: Dutch Republic forces recapture a strategically important fort from Spain after a nine-month siege.

- 1671 – Petar Zrinski, the Croatian Ban from the Zrinski family, is executed.

- 1789 – On the balcony of Federal Hall on Wall Street in New York City, George Washington takes the oath of office to become the first elected President of the United States.

- 1803 – Louisiana Purchase: The United States purchases the Louisiana Territory from France for $15 million, more than doubling the size of the young nation.

- 1812 – The Territory of Orleans becomes the 18th U.S. state under the name Louisiana.

- 1838 – Nicaragua declares independence from the Central American Federation.

- 1863 – A 65-man French Foreign Legion infantry patrol fights a force of nearly 2,000 Mexican soldiers to nearly the last man in Hacienda Camarón, Mexico.

- 1871 – The Camp Grant massacre takes place in Arizona Territory.

- 1885 – Governor of New York David B. Hill signs legislation creating the Niagara Reservation, New York's first state park, ensuring that Niagara Falls will not be devoted solely to industrial and commercial use.

- 1897 – J. J. Thomson of the Cavendish Laboratory announces his discovery of the electron as a subatomic particle, over 1,800 times smaller than a proton (in the atomic nucleus), at a lecture at the Royal Institution in London.[1]

- 1900 – Hawaii becomes a territory of the United States, with Sanford B. Dole as governor.

- 1904 – The Louisiana Purchase Exposition World's Fair opens in St. Louis, Missouri.

- 1907 – Honolulu, Hawaii becomes an independent city.

- 1925 – Automaker Dodge Brothers, Inc is sold to Dillon, Read & Co. for US$146 million plus $50 million for charity.

- 1927 – The Federal Industrial Institute for Women opens in Alderson, West Virginia, as the first women's federal prison in the United States.

- 1927 – Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford become the first celebrities to leave their footprints in concrete at Grauman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood.

- 1937 – The Commonwealth of the Philippines holds a plebiscite for Filipino women on whether they should be extended the right to suffrage; over 90% would vote in the affirmative.

- 1938 – The animated cartoon short Porky's Hare Hunt debuts in movie theaters, introducing Happy Rabbit (a prototype of Bugs Bunny).

- 1939 – The 1939-40 New York World's Fair opens.

- 1939 – NBC inaugurates its regularly scheduled television service in New York City, broadcasting President Franklin D. Roosevelt's N.Y. World's Fair opening day ceremonial address.

- 1943 – World War II: The British submarine HMS Seraph surfaces near Huelva to cast adrift a dead man dressed as a courier and carrying false invasion plans.

- 1945 – World War II: Führerbunker: Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun commit suicide after being married for less than 40 hours. Soviet soldiers raise the Victory Banner over the Reichstag building.

- 1945 – World War II: Stalag Luft I prisoner-of-war camp near Barth, Germany is liberated by Soviet soldiers, freeing nearly 9000 American and British airmen.

- 1947 – In Nevada, Boulder Dam is renamed Hoover Dam for the second time.

- 1948 – In Bogotá, Colombia, the Organization of American States is established.

- 1956 – Former Vice President and Democratic Senator Alben Barkley dies during a speech in Virginia.

- 1957 – Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery entered into force.

- 1961 – K-19, the first Soviet nuclear submarine equipped with nuclear missiles, is commissioned.

- 1963 – The Bristol Bus Boycott is held in Bristol to protest the Bristol Omnibus Company's refusal to employ Black or Asian bus crews, drawing national attention to racial discrimination in the United Kingdom.

- 1973 – Watergate scandal: U.S. President Richard Nixon announces that White House Counsel John Dean has been fired and that other top aides, most notably H. R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, have resigned.

- 1975 – Fall of Saigon: Communist forces gain control of Saigon. The Vietnam War formally ends with the unconditional surrender of South Vietnamese president Dương Văn Minh.

- 1980 – The Iranian Embassy siege begins in London.

- 1982 – The Bijon Setu massacre occurs in Calcutta.

- 1993 – CERN announces World Wide Web protocols will be free.

- 1994 – Formula One racing driver Roland Ratzenberger is killed in a crash during the qualifying session of the San Marino Grand Prix run at Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari outside Imola, Italy.

- 2000 – Canonization of Faustina Kowalska in the presence of 200,000 people and the first Divine Mercy Sunday celebrated worldwide.

- 2004 – U.S. media release graphic photos of American soldiers abusing and sexually humiliating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.

- 2008 – Two skeletal remains found near Yekaterinburg, Russia are confirmed by Russian scientists to be the remains of Alexei and Anastasia, two of the children of the last Tsar of Russia, whose entire family was executed at Yekaterinburg by the Bolsheviks.

- 2009 – Chrysler files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

- 2009 – Seven civilians and the perpetrator are killed and another ten injured at a Queen's Day parade in Apeldoorn, Netherlands in an attempted assassination on Queen Beatrix.

- 2012 – An overloaded ferry capsizes on the Brahmaputra River in India killing at least 103 people.

- 2013 – Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicates and Willem-Alexander becomes King of the Netherlands.

- 2014 – A bomb blast in Ürümqi kills three people and injures 79 others.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1777 – Carl Friedrich Gauss, German mathematician and physicist

- 1829 – Ferdinand von Hochstetter, Austrian geologist and academic

- 1857 – Eugen Bleuler, Swiss psychiatrist and eugenicist

- 1870 – Franz Lehár, Slovak-Austrian composer

- 1883 – Jaroslav Hašek, Czech soldier and author

- 1893 – Joachim von Ribbentrop, German soldier and politician, 14th German Reich Minister for Foreign Affairs

- 1901 – Simon Kuznets, Belarusian-American economist, statistician, and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1902 – Theodore Schultz, American economist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1909 – Juliana of the Netherlands

- 1916 – Claude Shannon, American mathematician and engineer

- 1933 – Willie Nelson, American singer-songwriter, guitarist, producer, actor

- 1946 – King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden

- 1949 – António Guterres, Portuguese academic and politician, Secretary-General of the United Nations

- 1956 – Lars von Trier, Danish director and screenwriter

- 1959 – Stephen Harper, Canadian economist and politician, 22nd Prime Minister of Canada

- 1975 – Johnny Galecki, American actor

- 1981 – Kunal Nayyar, British-Indian actor

- 1982 – Kirsten Dunst, American actress

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Quote of the day

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- Ernest Hemmingway -

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Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton

Friedensreich wrote:Nah, PMCs are unpredictable and easily corruptible... things can end badly if my only source of protection and vengeance is a foreign company.

You do realize that since I have a history RP'ing with you so in my mind I would have more loyalty to you.

Fantrum, Russ, and Fried.

I have more experience with them so I wouldn't betray one. Yet the other nations here I have no experience or opinion of. Therefore I could care less if someone wants me to attack them.

In lay mans terms I will not accept a contract against Fantrum, Russ, or Fried on the sole purpose because I would rather have my hands..... I mean an ally.

Fantrum, Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:You could, though it'll weigh quite a bit more than what might be good for it.

True which is why it would've been on the more vital areas with a lighter alloy on the rest.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:True which is why it would've been on the more vital areas with a lighter alloy on the rest.

That could work, then, yes.

In that event though, why not just make an internal armoured box for the combatants?

Modern Tech Helghan

Kalaron wrote:That could work, then, yes.

In that event though, why not just make an internal armoured box for the combatants?

If I'm correct the Piranha already has one. I was talking about throwing it over the engine and possibly the fire control systems.

[nation=short]The_vidnoye[/nation], Sup, Just want you too know that I'm updating my first post on our Hungarian Adventure RP so you have something to work with. Because its an update it wont show on the activities bar. Thank you for your patience :)

Russian Fedration, The Vidnoye

Kalaron wrote:Two small things of note on your vehicles.

If your "Heavy Transport" has Depleted Uranium to any useful amount, it will weigh like an MBT and cost as much as one.

That stuff is exorbitantly expensive, my dude.

If your tank has it, then it will not be invisible -or very hard to see- on thermal due to the engine output needed to move a full MBT, much less one equipped with Depleted Uranium armor.

The PL-01 is stupid, by the way, because it keeps the machinegun top. That increases it's visibility to radar and in the same way so too is your tank visible (Well, much more because it's an MBT and the PL-01 is a Light Tank, but still)

Just so you know:

1) Graphene is disallowed

2) Lasers are disallowed

3) Mechs and or mechanized suits are disallowed

4) this Region is MT and very slight PMT.

If you have any questions, refer them to me, Bax, Sul or Jas.

I still dont see why walkers are not kool but what ever

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1963 – The Bristol Bus Boycott is held in Bristol to protest the Bristol Omnibus Company's refusal to employ Black or Asian bus crews, drawing national attention to racial discrimination in the United Kingdom.

That's actually pretty interesting to me. The story of the American Civil Rights Movement is pretty well-known (Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King Jr., the Montgomery Bus Boycott, etc.), but I hadn't even thought of the civil rights movement in countries like the UK. To any Brits here, is the Bristol Bus Boycott and other parts of the British Civil Rights Movement well-known and frequently taught in your schools, or is it an obscure and little-known part of your history?

Penguania And Antarctica, Modern Tech Helghan

Around 18 to 20 people have voted, make sure that you vote if you haven't already.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:I still dont see why walkers are not kool but what ever

At the current RP point it would be more like the DARPA project where it would be like a radio controlled supply robot that carries all the gear. As for AT-ST's they would fall over due to them being top heavy. At the most one like the D-Walker from MSG would possibly beable to exist but they would be kinda difficult to produce.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:At the current RP point it would be more like the DARPA project where it would be like a radio controlled supply robot that carries all the gear. As for AT-ST's they would fall over due to them being top heavy. At the most one like the D-Walker from MSG would possibly beable to exist but they would be kinda difficult to produce.

and in a PMT RP none of that would matter AS for new Materials and Manufacturing Methods and Technology

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Again I plan on doing a tungsten alloy for the Pirahna I just want to know if I can.

Why would you though? Tungsten is brittle.

Russian Fedration wrote:I still dont see why walkers are not kool but what ever

Well once again, I may be giving you bad info, as I am not an RP moderator. But I think that if you wanted to make a walker, using modern tech, and modern materials no one is going to stop you. But it is going to be squishy as fudge, and impractical as all get out. You will not use it successfully in any war scenarios.

Russian Fedration

#Flynn4MOI

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Why would you though? Tungsten is brittle.Well once again, I may be giving you bad info, as I am not an RP moderator. But I think that if you wanted to make a walker, using modern tech, and modern materials no one is going to stop you. But it is going to be squishy as fudge, and impractical as all get out. You will not use it successfully in any war scenarios.

Tungsten is actually one of the hardest materials known to man. It has an extremely high (actually the highest) melting point of all metals and when turned into an alloy with say Titanium it's basically the perfect tank armor. Of course tungsten on its own wouldn't be practical which is why I said alloy.

Russian Fedration wrote:I still dont see why walkers are not kool but what ever

Legged Tanks

This topic coveres many of what most consider to be the more sane mecha designs. The specific image you should have in your mind may vary, but you're looking at everything from modified RL logging machines to the AT-PT. The basic concept is simple: humanoid mecha are unspeakably bad, so we can't even begin to justify them, but what if we just took a tank and jacked it up on legs? Designs from two or four legs to numerous have been suggested, all suffer the same issues as standard mecha to varying degrees.

The weight of the tank must be kept to an absolute minimum, as you continue to have to support the weight of the vehicle on the hydraulic system. The alternative is to support the weight on the metal structure of the leg, but this limits you to mostly 4 legged systems at a "walking" pace. Not good. Low weight means low armor means vulnerability to .50 caliber and 20 millimeter anti-tank rifles.

Ground pressure remains a massive issue. While you might be able to claim that you can use "large footpads," your vehicle must be able to actually lift these pads and put them back down at a respectable speed. Large pads mean more leg strength requried, means more hydraulic power/engine volume, which means more weight and a disadvantageous propulsion mass fraction. Good luck with that.

Balance also remains an issue. You basically need a flight computer to keep a dynamic leg system upright, and let's not even begin to talk about recoil management. By Darwin, you're adding a Mega Newton to the side of the tank at an odd angle, what do you expect? Forget about fire-on-the-move, you're going to find yourself bracing yet again, and not as well or as effectively as the S-tank. (in b4 BUT STANK DOEZ IT1111)

Finally, remember shiloette. This is important for tanks, recall the S-tank my friends. And since you're low mass due to above considerations, your armor is hilariously low. It's so low that small arms fire can chew the hell out of your massive hydraulic system, which is the only thing that propels you.

ALL OF THESE ISSUES EXIST SO LONG AS YOU HAVE LEGS. YOU CAN NOT ERASE ANY OF THESE SO LONG AS YOU HAVE LEGS. THE ANSWER IS TO ERASE LEGS IN ALL FORMS. BURN THEM WITH FIRE. Basically, legged tanks don't actually get rid of /any/ problems. They reducea few (namely armored shape and the elimination of arms provides slightly saner recoil management), but no single problem listed in the above discussions of humanoid mecha is reduced remotely enough to be useful.

[Sauce: http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=5347]

Basically, if you try it, you need super-space magic to make it work.

Russian Fedration wrote:and in a PMT RP none of that would matter AS for new Materials and Manufacturing Methods and Technology

That isn't how manufacturing works...and his point was on physics.

Tserra wrote:Why would you though? Tungsten is brittle.Well once again, I may be giving you bad info, as I am not an RP moderator. But I think that if you wanted to make a walker, using modern tech, and modern materials no one is going to stop you. But it is going to be squishy as fudge, and impractical as all get out. You will not use it successfully in any war scenarios.

This time, you kinda did a little.

They'd be full of space magic, tbh.

Friedensreich

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Tungsten is actually one of the hardest materials known to man. It has an extremely high (actually the highest) melting point of all metals and when turned into an alloy with say Titanium it's basically the perfect tank armor. Of course tungsten on its own wouldn't be practical which is why I said alloy.

See basically that is where the mistake came in, for some reason when you said tungsten my brain went to tungsten carbide, and ignored the tungsten alloy part.

Modern Tech Helghan

Kalaron wrote:

This time, you kinda did a little.

They'd be full of space magic, tbh.

My bad.

Tserra wrote:My bad.

Nah mate, you did fine.

*Thumbs up*

Tserra

Tserra wrote:Why would you though? Tungsten is brittle.Well once again, I may be giving you bad info, as I am not an RP moderator. But I think that if you wanted to make a walker, using modern tech, and modern materials no one is going to stop you. But it is going to be squishy as fudge, and impractical as all get out. You will not use it successfully in any war scenarios.

Witch is why im kinda bummed because i love them

[nation=short]Kalaron[/nation].

What ever .

Ill just keep them for that PMT-FT RP .

Cant have any sence of Uniqueness or Individuality can we ?

What ever

Kalaron wrote:Legged Tanks

This topic coveres many of what most consider to be the more sane mecha designs. The specific image you should have in your mind may vary, but you're looking at everything from modified RL logging machines to the AT-PT. The basic concept is simple: humanoid mecha are unspeakably bad, so we can't even begin to justify them, but what if we just took a tank and jacked it up on legs? Designs from two or four legs to numerous have been suggested, all suffer the same issues as standard mecha to varying degrees.

The weight of the tank must be kept to an absolute minimum, as you continue to have to support the weight of the vehicle on the hydraulic system. The alternative is to support the weight on the metal structure of the leg, but this limits you to mostly 4 legged systems at a "walking" pace. Not good. Low weight means low armor means vulnerability to .50 caliber and 20 millimeter anti-tank rifles.

Ground pressure remains a massive issue. While you might be able to claim that you can use "large footpads," your vehicle must be able to actually lift these pads and put them back down at a respectable speed. Large pads mean more leg strength requried, means more hydraulic power/engine volume, which means more weight and a disadvantageous propulsion mass fraction. Good luck with that.

Balance also remains an issue. You basically need a flight computer to keep a dynamic leg system upright, and let's not even begin to talk about recoil management. By Darwin, you're adding a Mega Newton to the side of the tank at an odd angle, what do you expect? Forget about fire-on-the-move, you're going to find yourself bracing yet again, and not as well or as effectively as the S-tank. (in b4 BUT STANK DOEZ IT1111)

Finally, remember shiloette. This is important for tanks, recall the S-tank my friends. And since you're low mass due to above considerations, your armor is hilariously low. It's so low that small arms fire can chew the hell out of your massive hydraulic system, which is the only thing that propels you.

ALL OF THESE ISSUES EXIST SO LONG AS YOU HAVE LEGS. YOU CAN NOT ERASE ANY OF THESE SO LONG AS YOU HAVE LEGS. THE ANSWER IS TO ERASE LEGS IN ALL FORMS. BURN THEM WITH FIRE. Basically, legged tanks don't actually get rid of /any/ problems. They reducea few (namely armored shape and the elimination of arms provides slightly saner recoil management), but no single problem listed in the above discussions of humanoid mecha is reduced remotely enough to be useful.

[Sauce: http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=5347]

Basically, if you try it, you need super-space magic to make it work.

That isn't how manufacturing works...and his point was on physics.

This time, you kinda did a little.

They'd be full of space magic, tbh.

Walkers are a hilariously bad idea in a military conflict. The legs themselves might as well be giant "shoot me"targets.

Kalaron wrote:Nah mate, you did fine.

*Thumbs up*

*Squeals with glee!*

Russian Fedration wrote:Witch is why im kinda bummed because i love them

[nation=short]Kalaron[/nation].

What ever .

Ill just keep them for that PMT-FT RP .

Cant have any sence of Uniqueness or Individuality can we ?

What ever

We totally can though. I mean...my soldiers wear armor. Actual ducking armor. Which is impractical compared to modern body armor, but I have proven its still valid, if a bit outdated. Thus I am unique.

Tserra wrote:See basically that is where the mistake came in, for some reason when you said tungsten my brain went to tungsten carbide, and ignored the tungsten alloy part.

Why would I use a carbide for anything but polymer reinforcement.

Russian Fedration wrote:Witch is why im kinda bummed because i love them

[nation=short]Kalaron[/nation].

What ever .

Ill just keep them for that PMT-FT RP .

Cant have any sence of Uniqueness or Individuality can we ?

What ever

Tse uses metal armour and no one complains.

I'd say that's pretty unique.

The point of "But it's unique" falls apart when you consider how intense the technology would have to be in order for said vehicle to function. I ain't gonna reiterate the points that person said, but you'd need space-magic to do it, and here comes the "If he can have walkers, why can't I have "X"? I want to be unique!"

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Why would I use a carbide for anything but polymer reinforcement.

Yeah, I dunno. lol Its totally my bad.

Modern Tech Helghan

Tserra wrote:We totally can though. I mean...my soldiers wear armor. Actual ducking armor. Which is impractical compared to modern body armor, but I have proven its still valid, if a bit outdated. Thus I am unique.

So my stormtrooper armor would be Ok?

Kalaron wrote:Tse uses metal armour and no one complains.

I'd say that's pretty unique.

The point of "But it's unique" falls apart when you consider how intense the technology would have to be in order for said vehicle to function. I ain't gonna reiterate the points that person said, but you'd need space-magic to do it, and here comes the "If he can have walkers, why can't I have "X"? I want to be unique!"

Ok from what im getting its midevil Knight armor.

Ok sure thats how that Equation works .ok

Tserra wrote:We totally can though. I mean...my soldiers wear armor. Actual ducking armor. Which is impractical compared to modern body armor, but I have proven its still valid, if a bit outdated. Thus I am unique.

And our Contractors use armor armor that seems really PMTish but still falls withen the MT timeframe allocated. It makes us look like we are covered in bloody Carbonfiber and sh!t I love our camo and armor.

Tserra wrote:Yeah, I dunno. lol Its totally my bad.

It's fine I forgive you. :-p

Tserra wrote:We totally can though. I mean...my soldiers wear armor. Actual ducking armor. Which is impractical compared to modern body armor, but I have proven its still valid, if a bit outdated. Thus I am unique.

>inb4 modernized Roman armor becomes a thing

Jaslandia

Woah woah woah, what seems to be the issue here? Something about walkers?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Modern Tech Helghan

Sulania wrote:Woah woah woah, what seems to be the issue here? Something about walkers?

Walkers among other things. Just wait till they eat through my infantry and whatnot :-p

Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:So my stormtrooper armor would be Ok?

Um...maybe? What is it made out of? Is it actual like Star Wars stormtrooper armor? There are lots of maybes in there.

Russian Fedration wrote:Ok from what im getting its midevil Knight armor.

Not precisely, it is more along the lines of a stripped down, bare bones, Renaissance Plate Armor. However for simplicity's sake. Yes its is basically medieval knight armor.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:So my stormtrooper armor would be Ok?

Ok from what im getting its midevil Knight armor.

Ok sure thats how that Equation works .ok

I mean, power armour isn't really equivalent to a plate of metal on someone's chest, but OK.

Tse uses a slightly more modernized metal chest-plate that requires no late-PMT materials or construction and confers little to no advantage. It isn't Graphene, or some super armour, so it falls inside the "Unique but not OP" category.

Tserra wrote:Um...maybe? What is it made out of? Is it actual like Star Wars stormtrooper armor? There are lots of maybes in there.

Not precisely, it is more along the lines of a stripped down, bare bones, Renaissance Plate Armor. However for simplicity's sake. Yes its is basically medieval knight armor.

Ferrouranium Armor.

What do you mean like Actual Stormtrooper Armor?

huh intresting

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Walkers among other things. Just wait till they eat through my infantry and whatnot :-p

When you say "Walker"

Please tell me you don't mean like... star wars walker..

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-canon/images/5/5b/ATDP-Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20160717235114

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:I mean, power armour isn't really equivalent to a plate of metal on someone's chest, but OK.

Tse uses a slightly more modernized metal chest-plate that requires no late-PMT materials or construction and confers little to no advantage. It isn't Graphene, or some super armour, so it falls inside the "Unique but not OP" category.

Ok just forget the Power armor part ive been meaning to deleat that part for ages i just keep forgetting

...alright?

Sulania wrote:When you say "Walker"

Please tell me you don't mean like... star wars walker..

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-canon/images/5/5b/ATDP-Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20160717235114

I dont use those , i think its to dumb, the ATAT on the other hand ...love em ...but here we go lecture #333201

Russian Fedration wrote:I dont use those , i think its to dumb, the ATAT on the other hand ...love em ...but here we go lecture #333201

#foranactualoneitwouldbe200milapiece

Sulania wrote:When you say "Walker"

Please tell me you don't mean like... star wars walker..

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-canon/images/5/5b/ATDP-Fathead.png/revision/latest?cb=20160717235114

Nah I'm thinking more of MSG and *shivers* CoD walkers. God those things on CoD are horrid impossible contraptions.

Russian Fedration wrote:Ferrouranium Armor.

What do you mean like Actual Stormtrooper Armor?

huh intresting

I mean like this http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/03/Stormarmor_negwt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060808183229

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:I mean like this http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/03/Stormarmor_negwt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060808183229

Yeppers , Modifed tho to my likings tho.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:#foranactualoneitwouldbe200milapiece

Maybe in todays standards ...

Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:Ok just forget the Power armor part ive been meaning to deleat that part for ages i just keep forgetting

...alright?

Russian Fedration wrote:Ferrouranium Armor.

What do you mean like Actual Stormtrooper Armor?

huh intresting

If it's made out of Uranium and has the details it has, then no.

If you just mean armour that looks generically like it, then sure.

The problem with armour like that is that it will be much worse than even the BDUs we have today, your soldiers get cancer from it, it would weigh a massive amount, it would kill them with heat, the helmet is deadweight and god forbid a bullet did get in, welcome to cancer-ville. Furthermore, it wouldn't have a thickness of 22mm, ignoring the impact -that would kill you- the armour would have an even more massive weight in that case.

Modern Tech Helghan

Kalaron wrote:If it's made out of Uranium and has the details it has, then no.

If you just mean armour that looks generically like it, then sure.

The problem with armour like that is that it will be much worse than even the BDUs we have today, your soldiers get cancer from it, it would weigh a massive amount, it would kill them with heat, the helmet is deadweight and god forbid a bullet did get in, welcome to cancer-ville. Furthermore, it wouldn't have a thickness of 22mm, ignoring the impact -that would kill you- the armour would have an even more massive weight in that case.

I would probably opt in and use rebel armor mate. It fits in more with the MT aspect unless well Lead lining is heavy as all living hell.

Russian Fedration wrote:Yeppers , Modifed tho to my likings tho.

Maybe in todays standards ...

Huh. You know that armor is unusable right? I mean not because of the materials, that is whole different ballgame, but because of the way it is constructed. I mean, if you would be interested in listening, I did have schooling on the subject of arms and armor.

Kalaron wrote:If it's made out of Uranium and has the details it has, then no.

If you just mean armour that looks generically like it, then sure.

The problem with armour like that is that it will be much worse than even the BDUs we have today, your soldiers get cancer from it, it would weigh a massive amount, it would kill them with heat, the helmet is deadweight and god forbid a bullet did get in, welcome to cancer-ville. Furthermore, it wouldn't have a thickness of 22mm, ignoring the impact -that would kill you- the armour would have an even more massive weight in that case.

W h a t E v e r .

Its FerroUranium armor . Depleated Uranium and Iron Mixed together .

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:I would probably opt in and use rebel armor mate. It fits in more with the MT aspect unless well Lead lining is heavy as all living hell.

who would want to look like them ?

Tserra wrote:Huh. You know that armor is unusable right? I mean not because of the materials, that is whole different ballgame, but because of the way it is constructed. I mean, if you would be interested in listening, I did have schooling on the subject of arms and armor.

Right what ever i have no idea how but if you insist .

Welcome to the Afghan army , we Use Police Issiued Bullet "Proof" Vests , Have fun in your one and only Deployment

Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:I dont use those , i think its to dumb, the ATAT on the other hand ...love em ...but here we go lecture #333201

I'm going to say the same thing I tell every other star wars/scifi fan.

Walkers look cool and futuristiky, but when you actually look at the logistics of it, walkers like those are one of the most counterproductive and asinine designs a military could ever make use of.

Jaslandia

Russian Fedration wrote:who would want to look like them ?

Right what ever i have no idea how but if you insist .

Welcome to the Afghan army , we Use Police Issiued Bullet "Proof" Vests , Have fun in your one and only Deployment

Can I invest in your nations infrastructure and build some weapons factories in your lands so we can start modernizing your army?

Russian Fedration, Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:W h a t E v e r .

Its FerroUranium armor . Depleated Uranium and Iron Mixed together .

That fixes nothing inside of it?

Depleated uranium is still toxic and mildly radioactive. DU used in US munitions has 60% of the radioactivity of natural uranium, so living in a suit of that sh!t is bad for your health regardless.

Sulania wrote:I'm going to say the same thing I tell every other star wars/scifi fan.

Walkers look cool and futuristiky, but when you actually look at the logistics of it, walkers like those are one of the most counterproductive and asinine designs a military could ever make use of.

But really though.

Sulania wrote:I'm going to say the same thing I tell every other star wars/scifi fan.

Walkers look cool and futuristiky, but when you actually look at the logistics of it, walkers like those are one of the most counterproductive and asinine designs a military could ever make use of.

maybe in this RP is all ill have to say on that matter .

Fantrum wrote:Can I invest in your nations infrastructure and build some weapons factories in your lands so we can start modernizing your army?

I would love that . PLEASE come on over .

Modern Tech Helghan

Kalaron wrote:That fixes nothing inside of it?

Depleated uranium is still toxic and mildly radioactive. DU used in US munitions has 60% of the radioactivity of natural uranium, so living in a suit of that sh!t is bad for your health regardless.

But really though.

do a lead sheet inside of it , what ever lol

but clearly anything ill suggest will be shot to shreds so im not gonna worry to much about it

Russian Fedration wrote:do a lead sheet inside of it , what ever lol

but clearly anything ill suggest will be shot to shreds so im not gonna worry to much about it

So you're living in lead?

Still toxic to all hell.

If a bullet gets through, now you have lead and DU in the blood.

As for that second bit, that's some defensive posturing in response to shots against Sci-Fi.

It isn't that "anything" you suggest will get shot down, just that what you have suggested has been routinely beyond the envelope of MT/(S)PMT.

Russian Fedration wrote:maybe in this RP is all ill have to say on that matter .

I would love that . PLEASE come on over .

Absolutely nothing wrong can come of arming the very angery towel heads in the desert.

Let's get started, this *holds up rocket launcher* is a stinger anti air missile launcher, carefull, the trigger is a bit sensitive.

Russian Fedration, Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:who would want to look like them ?

Right what ever i have no idea how but if you insist .

Welcome to the Afghan army , we Use Police Issiued Bullet "Proof" Vests , Have fun in your one and only Deployment

http://i.imgur.com/g8Rt4Z3.png

Ok the parts I have marked with red. Would have to be removed otherwise the poor fella wearing it would not be able to move effectively, and could even injure himself.

The primary breastplate is fine, it stops just short of the navel as it should, but it is also bent outwards, and does not wrap. It should wrap, and hug the body a bit better, and ideally this would sit upon a subarmalis or aketon of some kind.

The belt which I said to remove would be fine if it were made of something soft, like cloth or leather, but as it is, it would have the same effect as the underplate that I said to remove.

The helmet would have to be ditched entirely. It is incredibly impractical as actual armor. The vision would be too narrow. It is too heavy, and clunky. And it would not deflect bullets or shrapnel very well. In fact it looks to have a few shot traps in places.

Anyways, that is my semi-expert opinion.

Kalaron wrote:So you're living in lead?

Still toxic to all hell.

If a bullet gets through, now you have lead and DU in the blood.

As for that second bit, that's some defensive posturing in response to shots against Sci-Fi.

It isn't that "anything" you suggest will get shot down, just that what you have suggested has been routinely beyond the envelope of MT/(S)PMT.

Thats the Key tho , is its not gonna get thro with 30mm of Armour on you, Perhaps that armor be best suited to the Clone troops .

Depends on your Definition of Beyond than i suppose .

idk. just its frustrating .

Fantrum wrote:Absolutely nothing wrong can come of arming the very angery towel heads in the desert.

Let's get started, this *holds up rocket launcher* is a stinger anti air missile launcher, carefull, the trigger is a bit sensitive.

I have one Called the KZ-777 MANPADS . Small arms im ok with. Its ....everything else that needs Jesus's...Excuse me . Allah's Help in fixing.

Tserra wrote:http://i.imgur.com/g8Rt4Z3.png

Ok the parts I have marked with red. Would have to be removed otherwise the poor fella wearing it would not be able to move effectively, and could even injure himself.

The primary breastplate is fine, it stops just short of the navel as it should, but it is also bent outwards, and does not wrap. It should wrap, and hug the body a bit better, and ideally this would sit upon a subarmalis or aketon of some kind.

The belt which I said to remove would be fine if it were made of something soft, like cloth or leather, but as it is, it would have the same effect as the underplate that I said to remove.

The helmet would have to be ditched entirely. It is incredibly impractical as actual armor. The vision would be too narrow. It is too heavy, and clunky. And it would not deflect bullets or shrapnel very well. In fact it looks to have a few shot traps in places.

Anyways, that is my semi-expert opinion.

Noted .

Russian Fedration wrote:Thats the Key tho , is its not gonna get thro with 30mm of Armour on you, Perhaps that armor be best suited to the Clone troops .

Depends on your Definition of Beyond than i suppose .

idk. just its frustrating .

I have one Called the KZ-777 MANPADS . Small arms im ok with. Its ....everything else that needs Jesus's...Excuse me . Allah's Help in fixing.

And the weight of that 30mm, alongside the helmet, will kill the man inside.

Again, adding armour so extensively leads to the previous problems mentioned.

Kalaron wrote:And the weight of that 30mm, alongside the helmet, will kill the man inside.

Again, adding armour so extensively leads to the previous problems mentioned.

and as ive said 30X before superhumans along with a light internal Exo Skelton will prevent those issiues .

why are we arguing this still ?

Russian Fedration wrote:and as ive said 30X before superhumans along with a light internal Exo Skelton will prevent those issiues .

why are we arguing this still ?

Because you tried to justify it's usage?

TBH, so long as it isn't used in general RP it's whatever.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:And the weight of that 30mm, alongside the helmet, will kill the man inside.

Again, adding armour so extensively leads to the previous problems mentioned.

The problem with man portable protection like vests isn't the bullet stopping capability. It's the fact that all that kinetic force being transferred to the wearer will wither kill the wearer or knock him on his ass/her ass.

Kalaron wrote:Because you tried to justify it's usage?

TBH, so long as it isn't used in general RP it's whatever.

ill justify the useage untill ive gotten something better

and i wasent going to use it .

Fantrum wrote:The problem with man portable protection like vests isn't the bullet stopping capability. It's the fact that all that kinetic force being transferred to the wearer will wither kill the wearer or knock him on his ass/her ass.

Armoured wrap-arounds like his?

Yeah, kinda.

I'd still be worried about the chance of the bullet penning though, and I think that if we're going far-Sci-Fi like what he has there than some kinda super-padding would get that backface signature down.

TBH, IRL the armour just wouldn't work.

Russian Fedration wrote:and as ive said 30X before superhumans along with a light internal Exo Skelton will prevent those issiues .

why are we arguing this still ?

... "Superhuman"... "Internal exoskeleton"...

Dude. Seriously. What part of Modern Tech is not all that understood? The walkers, impractical as all hell. The armor, also vehemently impractical. Both are literal death traps for anyone inside of them, and the walkers would be nothing but a liability for any military (Kinda why you don't see very many in any modern military). But now we're in the realm of having superhumans and literal internal exoskeletons? Yeah, no, sorry. Maybe in some FT RP where you can go and do whatever you want, sure. But in our MT/slight-PMT RPs, such as the Confederacy General, no. Those are either unrealistic or just woefully impractical, and as an RP mod would definitely rule against those being used there.

Kalaron

Kalaron wrote:Armoured wrap-arounds like his?

Yeah, kinda.

I'd still be worried about the chance of the bullet penning though, and I think that if we're going far-Sci-Fi like what he has there than some kinda super-padding would get that backface signature down.

TBH, IRL the armour just wouldn't work.

That or the armor is powered and able to absorb the shock. Also I agree that armor would be too heavy for the guy underneath to actually be combat effective without power assistance.

Russian Fedration wrote:ill justify the useage untill ive gotten something better

and i wasent going to use it .

....I WILL LITERALLY SELL YOU OUR ARMOR AND PAINT IT BLOODY WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's what you wish :-p

Sulania wrote:... "Superhuman"... "Internal exoskeleton"...

Dude. Seriously. What part of Modern Tech is not all that understood? The walkers, impractical as all hell. The armor, also vehemently impractical. Both are literal death traps for anyone inside of them, and the walkers would be nothing but a liability for any military (Kinda why you don't see very many in any modern military). But now we're in the realm of having superhumans and literal internal exoskeletons? Yeah, no, sorry. Maybe in some FT RP where you can go and do whatever you want, sure. But in our MT/slight-PMT RPs, such as the Confederacy General, no. Those are either unrealistic or just woefully impractical, and as an RP mod would definitely rule against those being used there.

Wow OK

what part of IM NOT USEING IT dont you get hm?

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:....I WILL LITERALLY SELL YOU OUR ARMOR AND PAINT IT BLOODY WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that's what you wish :-p

why ? oh ok. IDK i prefer more Internal demostic stuff militarly but at this time i dont think i really have anyother choice

Russian Fedration wrote:Wow OK

what part of IM NOT USEING IT dont you get hm?

why ? oh ok. IDK i prefer more Internal demostic stuff militarly but at this time i dont think i really have anyother choice

TBH, I think his assumption came from

Russian Fedration wrote:So my stormtrooper armor would be Ok?

Ok from what im getting its midevil Knight armor.

Ok sure thats how that Equation works .ok

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Wow OK

what part of IM NOT USEING IT dont you get hm?

why ? oh ok. IDK i prefer more Internal demostic stuff militarly but at this time i dont think i really have anyother choice

So our elite infantry armor and give it a white camo got it.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:TBH, I think his assumption came from

Also probably this:

Russian Fedration wrote:ill justify the useage untill ive gotten something better

and i wasent going to use it .

Kalaron wrote:TBH, I think his assumption came from

Tserra wrote:Also probably this:

Assumptions

and i ment in the cases i could use it.

Never did i say i was useing it .it was just a Question.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:So our elite infantry armor and give it a white camo got it.

um ok ig?

Russian Fedration wrote:Assumptions

and i ment in the cases i could use it.

Never did i say i was useing it .it was just a Question.

um ok ig?

Closest thing you'll get to stormtrooper armor.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Closest thing you'll get to stormtrooper armor.

I just need something . Preferable domestically made

So who owns Somalia. I was thinking of doing an RP where a nearby nation has hired us to kill the warlords there. Of course it'll probably start with a massive nighttime invasion from the coast and end in us meeting heavy resistance and eventually killing two of the three targets before we have to pull out due to casualties and a massive monsoon rolling in and canceling out our air support causing us to fall back.

Russian Fedration wrote:I just need something . Preferable domestically made

Ah. We don't have any of our manufacturers withen your territories but we'll give you a great price seeing as how you don't have much. It'll also be unloaded at our hanger. Just name the amount of crates you need.

Russian Fedration

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:So who owns Somalia. I was thinking of doing an RP where a nearby nation has hired us to kill the warlords there. Of course it'll probably start with a massive nighttime invasion from the coast and end in us meeting heavy resistance and eventually killing two of the three targets before we have to pull out due to casualties and a massive monsoon rolling in and canceling out our air support causing us to fall back.

[nation=Pirate Kingdoms]

Russian Fedration

Sh!t! I was hoping it was nuetral. I'll find another area. Maybe Grenada or even Taiwan.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:So who owns Somalia. I was thinking of doing an RP where a nearby nation has hired us to kill the warlords there. Of course it'll probably start with a massive nighttime invasion from the coast and end in us meeting heavy resistance and eventually killing two of the three targets before we have to pull out due to casualties and a massive monsoon rolling in and canceling out our air support causing us to fall back.

Replace 'warlords' with 'pirates', and I might be interested in hiring you. I formed a task force a while back to combat the pirates that are coming out of that region (which we call al-Qarn), but that's kinda stalled, so this would be a good way to get the ball rolling again.

Russian Fedration, Tserra, Pirate Kingdoms, Modern Tech Helghan

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Sh!t! I was hoping it was nuetral. I'll find another area. Maybe Grenada or even Taiwan.

Somalia is owned by someone, but ICly that nation is almost as chaotic and unstable as RL Somalia, so we could still do it with the player's permission.

Modern Tech Helghan

Jaslandia wrote:Replace 'warlords' with 'pirates', and I might be interested in hiring you. I formed a task force a while back to combat the pirates that are coming out of that region (which we call al-Qarn), but that's kinda stalled, so this would be a good way to get the ball rolling again.

Let's go for it!

Jaslandia

Russian Fedration wrote:I just need something . Preferable domestically made

If you need small arms, I can give you a great price on my EBR-01. I would be willing to give you a 50 percent discount. Say you needed 150,000 rifles, I could do that for you, and for the low price of $14,025,00 USD.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tserra/detail=factbook/id=805770

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:Somalia is owned by someone, but ICly that nation is almost as chaotic and unstable as RL Somalia, so we could still do it with the player's permission.

Ooooh hell yeah. I wanna blast some pirates.

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:Replace 'warlords' with 'pirates', and I might be interested in hiring you. I formed a task force a while back to combat the pirates that are coming out of that region (which we call al-Qarn), but that's kinda stalled, so this would be a good way to get the ball rolling again.

Oooh, this is interesting. I look forward to seeing more from this. :D

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms, Modern Tech Helghan

Tserra wrote:Oooh, this is interesting. I look forward to seeing more from this. :D

So a contract from Tserra and Jaslandia to go fvck up pirates and execute pirate warlords. Then maybe go take out a few of the cartels in South America and Mexico. But I might not do that.

Jaslandia

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Let's go for it!

You two place nice; If you do it well, low civilian casualties, all that nice humaneness you might find yourself with minimal Andreallic support. We don't support Mercenary groups, but those Pirates have been a nuisance turned issue

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Modern Tech Helghan

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:So a contract from Tserra and Jaslandia to go fvck up pirates and execute pirate warlords. Then maybe go take out a few of the cartels in South America and Mexico. But I might not do that.

Erm...The americas are way different here than in the real world. If you set foot anywhere below the northern panama border, we will gun you down without mercy...m'kay :)

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Modern Tech Helghan

No need to worry about the mass deployment of Fantrum troops to Afghanistan. Your spy satilites show about a division sized element moving from their base in northern Fantrum to Afghanistan via large transport aircrafts

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:If you need small arms, I can give you a great price on my EBR-01. I would be willing to give you a 50 percent discount. Say you needed 150,000 rifles, I could do that for you, and for the low price of $14,025,00 USD.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tserra/detail=factbook/id=805770

Hmmm i like that . i think im gonna have to Look into that .

Like i said i have a Good Verity of arms Already laied out but who knows never hurt to have extras

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:So a contract from Tserra and Jaslandia to go fvck up pirates and execute pirate warlords. Then maybe go take out a few of the cartels in South America and Mexico. But I might not do that.

What? No. I have nothing to do with this. I would support Jaslandia in this endeavor, but Tserra has no need to pay mercenaries to do anything.

Jaslandia, Modern Tech Helghan

Fantrum wrote:No need to worry about the mass deployment of Fantrum troops to Afghanistan. Your spy satilites show about a division sized element moving from their base in northern Fantrum to Afghanistan via large transport aircrafts

Fantasctico!

Modern Tech Helghan

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