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Lex Caledonia wrote:Go ahead, I'm interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2U8yfKM9nY

:P

Jaslandia, Percyton

Lex Caledonia wrote:Go ahead, I'm interested.

Long story short: Silver was pretty inactive, let the Founder CTE once or twice. The people voted to have Unf become the new founder. Silver didn't like that so he refused and dissolved the Gov. We migrated to the old NGA.

In the NGA Valt started to get abusive with members and the problem got ingrained when Unf started listening to him. Most of the more politically active members left as Gov turned toxic.

The NGA became locked-up as a two house system was adopted but the loss of members made it impossible to pass legislation in either house due to minimum member numbers. Then Ru showed up and started to clash with Valt, actively criticising him. This was exasperated by Valt asking his cabinet to block my ascension to Supreme Court after Ru nominated me. Legal issues with whether Ru could do that only further inflamed it as Valt took every chance to insult Ru.

Eventually we left for Montaris, where Ru -dumbly- took the position of Monarch rather than putting a puppet account there. Ru started to get belligerent with members after a scandal or two happened, and eventually kicked Merc after being egged on. Some accounts stayed there, but they all worked with his lackies too so it's unclear if they were actually just puppets or not.

Now we're here, and while some of Ru's puppets have started fights here as trolls, we're pretty stable since Me, Tse, and Tim are co-founders.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Lex Caledonia wrote:Go ahead, I'm interested.

So, we all started in this region called the Next Generation Alliance (NGA) in the summer of 2013. That went well for a while, but then a guy named Controlled Interests (CI) formulated a plot to convince everyone we needed a new region, so he could be partial founder of this new region (the other one being the NGA's founder Silver Bloods), then change the password to take control away from Silver and become sole founder. Unfallious was part of this plot as well, along with a few others, so he might have some more insight.

Anyway, Silver found out about this plot and foiled it, leaving Silver as sole founder of this new region (Commonwealth of Free Nations). By that time we had already migrated to the CFN, so we enjoyed that region for a long time, until Silver started becoming inactive. Eventually, we started negotiations with Silver to elect a new founder who would also have access to the founder account, and it looked like we had finally convinced Silver to agree to this. But then Silver started acting like a tyrant, rejecting our deal by saying it was 'bureaucratic' and undemocratic, and suppressing those who disagreed with his actions. Thus, we abandoned Silver and migrated back to the NGA, which Unf had preserved.

Again, we were happy in the NGA for a while, but then the region got wracked in a political dispute between members like Kal and Sul, and a member named Valturus (who is now in the Versutian Federation). I won't go into the details of that dispute, as it's still kinda a partisan issue and I don't want to re-open old wounds, but not long after Valturus was elected Chancellor (the first Chancellor under a new system called 'Presidium', which tried to make the region's government more resemble a parliamentary system), there was another split, and led by a guy named Ruclax, we left the second NGA and founded a region called the Most Serene Republic of Montaris, with Ruclax as founder. Ruclax was the architect of our judicial systems, but he became unpopular when he was elected Chancellor and declared the institution of a draft and a military-based empire in the region, and then tried to escape blame by saying his fraternity brothers had hijacked his account (which we weren't buying). Ru left the region for a little while, then came back and regained everyone's trust around the time of the Valt scandal.

Montaris quickly became different from our other regions because it had a more monarchical theme, with Ru as King, and him appointing several prominent members and allies of his to nobility. However, we didn't think much of it, as we thought it was all just ceremonial while the real democracy went on as normal. However, Ru soon let his status go to his head, and he began to have tyrannical urges. At first, we were able to privately talk him down from his tyrannical urges, but one day, he banned Mercunova without any criminal charges or even a public announcement that he had done so. I asked on the RMB what had happened for Merc to be abruptly banned and kicked out of the region, and after at first Ru claimed that Merc had harassed him (which we weren't accepting; even if it was true, we needed to do a trial with a judge before anyone could be banned), Ru acted dismissive saying it was 'just a game'. Again, we were having none of it, so we left Ru in Montaris and migrated to the Confederacy of Free Nations, where we are now.

Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:[spoiler]Long story short: Silver was pretty inactive, let the Founder CTE once or twice. The people voted to have Unf become the new founder. Silver didn't like that so he refused and dissolved the Gov. We migrated to the old NGA.

In the NGA Valt started to get abusive with members and the problem got ingrained when Unf started listening to him. Most of the more politically active members left as Gov turned toxic.

The NGA became locked-up as a two house system was adopted but the loss of members made it impossible to pass legislation in either house due to minimum member numbers. Then Ru showed up and started to clash with Valt, actively criticising him. This was exasperated by Valt asking his cabinet to block my ascension to Supreme Court after Ru nominated me. Legal issues with whether Ru could do that only further inflamed it as Valt took every chance to insult Ru.

Eventually we left for Montaris, where Ru -dumbly- took the position of Monarch rather than putting a puppet account there. Ru started to get belligerent with members after a scandal or two happened, and eventually kicked Merc after being egged on. Some accounts stayed there, but they all worked with his lackies too so it's unclear if they were actually just puppets or not.

Now we're here, and while some of Ru's puppets have started fights here as trolls, we're pretty stable since Me, Tse, and Tim are co-founders.[/spoiler]

I think you and I can still argue over the details of the Valt situation, but other than that, pretty much an accurate assessment.

Sorry to spam, but is it just me, or does our history resemble the history of ancient Greece? Feuding factions, alternating periods of democracy and tyranny, great heroes/villains who we remember for all of our days, powerful gods and goddess (Shirley/NS mods, Argentism, and so on), etc. All we're missing is a foreign invasion that temporarily brings us all together, and a conqueror from up north who is somewhat-related to us that takes over everyone.

Axeldonia, Percyton, Spanelsko

Just to simplify our history, we move around too f*cking much :p

Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:I think you and I can still argue over the details of the Valt situation, but other than that, pretty much an accurate assessment.

Aye, we could. However, there are two details that to me at least raise validity towards my words, that two of the cabinet members (Interstellar and one who shall not be named) later admitted to having been requested by Valt to vote no, and that Peng was the "face" of Valt's party (So much so that he was considered a shoe-in for Chancellor) until right before the election when Valt removed him from the party and cruised to the top as Chancellor with the members who had joined.

I'll let the issue rest as it'll raise my hackles otherwise, but we cqn surely agree that the NGA was a sh!tshow :p

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:I think you and I can still argue over the details of the Valt situation, but other than that, pretty much an accurate assessment.

And just like that, my anger level went from 'none' to 'soaring' in a second.

Sulania wrote:And just like that, my anger level went from 'none' to 'soaring' in a second.

Calm down, dude. Let bygones be bygones, aye?

Yukona, Percyton

Sulania wrote:And just like that, my anger level went from 'none' to 'soaring' in a second.

Jaslandia wrote:Calm down, dude. Let bygones be bygones, aye?

Triumph over bygone sorrow,

Can in unity be won.

Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:https://ibb.co/dkBD0m

how about this?

Awesome

https://i.redd.it/1snqqhqck2ey.png

https://orig00.deviantart.net/3d94/f/2016/209/c/1/anarcho_communist_flag_by_unclestalin1945-dabs1cs.png

i have question which flag do you guys think would be better? (this is in case spain or whatever left of it if not annexed would use as a flag for the order of 50)

Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Sorry to spam, but is it just me, or does our history resemble the history of ancient Greece? Feuding factions, alternating periods of democracy and tyranny, great heroes/villains who we remember for all of our days, powerful gods and goddess (Shirley/NS mods, Argentism, and so on), etc. All we're missing is a foreign invasion that temporarily brings us all together, and a conqueror from up north who is somewhat-related to us that takes over everyone.

Already had the Foreign Invasion, actually. Red Riders and Uncle Fawkes tried to lead one with RL friends before the Gov mounted a defense back in Montaris, I helped boost our Endorse Count by some fifteen members or so.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Long story short: Silver was pretty inactive, let the Founder CTE once or twice. The people voted to have Unf become the new founder. Silver didn't like that so he refused and dissolved the Gov. We migrated to the old NGA.

In the NGA Valt started to get abusive with members and the problem got ingrained when Unf started listening to him. Most of the more politically active members left as Gov turned toxic.

The NGA became locked-up as a two house system was adopted but the loss of members made it impossible to pass legislation in either house due to minimum member numbers. Then Ru showed up and started to clash with Valt, actively criticising him. This was exasperated by Valt asking his cabinet to block my ascension to Supreme Court after Ru nominated me. Legal issues with whether Ru could do that only further inflamed it as Valt took every chance to insult Ru.

Eventually we left for Montaris, where Ru -dumbly- took the position of Monarch rather than putting a puppet account there. Ru started to get belligerent with members after a scandal or two happened, and eventually kicked Merc after being egged on. Some accounts stayed there, but they all worked with his lackies too so it's unclear if they were actually just puppets or not.

Now we're here, and while some of Ru's puppets have started fights here as trolls, we're pretty stable since Me, Tse, and Tim are co-founders.

Jaslandia wrote:So, we all started in this region called the Next Generation Alliance (NGA) in the summer of 2013. That went well for a while, but then a guy named Controlled Interests (CI) formulated a plot to convince everyone we needed a new region, so he could be partial founder of this new region (the other one being the NGA's founder Silver Bloods), then change the password to take control away from Silver and become sole founder. Unfallious was part of this plot as well, along with a few others, so he might have some more insight.

Anyway, Silver found out about this plot and foiled it, leaving Silver as sole founder of this new region (Commonwealth of Free Nations). By that time we had already migrated to the CFN, so we enjoyed that region for a long time, until Silver started becoming inactive. Eventually, we started negotiations with Silver to elect a new founder who would also have access to the founder account, and it looked like we had finally convinced Silver to agree to this. But then Silver started acting like a tyrant, rejecting our deal by saying it was 'bureaucratic' and undemocratic, and suppressing those who disagreed with his actions. Thus, we abandoned Silver and migrated back to the NGA, which Unf had preserved.

Again, we were happy in the NGA for a while, but then the region got wracked in a political dispute between members like Kal and Sul, and a member named Valturus (who is now in the Versutian Federation). I won't go into the details of that dispute, as it's still kinda a partisan issue and I don't want to re-open old wounds, but not long after Valturus was elected Chancellor (the first Chancellor under a new system called 'Presidium', which tried to make the region's government more resemble a parliamentary system), there was another split, and led by a guy named Ruclax, we left the second NGA and founded a region called the Most Serene Republic of Montaris, with Ruclax as founder. Ruclax was the architect of our judicial systems, but he became unpopular when he was elected Chancellor and declared the institution of a draft and a military-based empire in the region, and then tried to escape blame by saying his fraternity brothers had hijacked his account (which we weren't buying). Ru left the region for a little while, then came back and regained everyone's trust around the time of the Valt scandal.

Montaris quickly became different from our other regions because it had a more monarchical theme, with Ru as King, and him appointing several prominent members and allies of his to nobility. However, we didn't think much of it, as we thought it was all just ceremonial while the real democracy went on as normal. However, Ru soon let his status go to his head, and he began to have tyrannical urges. At first, we were able to privately talk him down from his tyrannical urges, but one day, he banned Mercunova without any criminal charges or even a public announcement that he had done so. I asked on the RMB what had happened for Merc to be abruptly banned and kicked out of the region, and after at first Ru claimed that Merc had harassed him (which we weren't accepting; even if it was true, we needed to do a trial with a judge before anyone could be banned), Ru acted dismissive saying it was 'just a game'. Again, we were having none of it, so we left Ru in Montaris and migrated to the Confederacy of Free Nations, where we are now.

You've come a long way then, if its any consolation I think you guys are sound.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Percyton

My new flag thanks to Penguania And Antarctica.

(Love you Peng)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Minnesota Dakota wrote:My new flag thanks to Penguania And Antarctica.

(Love you Peng)

Egyptian commie?!

otherwise a nice flag good job peng.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

Audiastan wrote:Thanks to all you who welcomed me back with endorsements! Had a lot back in the day but lost them due to inactivity for me being in Iraq >.> willing to trade endorsement so hit me up

What branch are you in?

just a small funny detail, on my formally main nation i passed the law that gun ownership is compulsory, so yes EVERYONE HAS A GUN and it resulted in my authority rising by 10% wtf?

New New Zajtahn wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=103548

Hmmmm.... does this ask for our long term political/philosophical beliefs, or our right here, right now beliefs?

I’d be a communist if you ask long term, but in the short term- here and now- I’m pretty much a Center right libertarian like Rand Paul.

I just saw the voting thing, HOW IS Antifa considered libertarian? they are authoritarian left at best!

Talkative Friedensriech

Spanelsko wrote:the small mistake i made with the whole Barcelona thing solved (the reason it makes no logical sense is because i forgot that in the first part i mentioned that Barcelona had 40.000 soldiers defending it and then in edit 4 mentioned only 5500 militia so i tried to make it more sensible with the whole situation thing.)

Holy mother of God how many times are you going to edit your RP posts? They are so confusing to read.

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Holy mother of God how many times are you going to edit your RP posts? They are so confusing to read.

are they really that confusing? they all focus on certain part, and are simple in my eyes.

not to mention i dont change the bits already made i only add stuff.

http://i.magaimg.net/img/1dd.jpg

why i hate antifa.

Cesorion

Check out!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg/1280px-Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg.png

Jaslandia

Cesorion wrote:Check out!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg/1280px-Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg.png

What do the colors mean?

Minnesota Dakota wrote:What do the colors mean?

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg

That one has an index

PS: Nice flag!

Cesorion wrote:https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parliament_of_Cesorion.svg

That one has an index

PS: Nice flag!

Peng made the flag. Is the SDP the Socialist party?

Penguania And Antarctica

Minnesota Dakota wrote:Peng made the flag. Is the SDP the Socialist party?

Social Democratic, centre left

Penguania And Antarctica

Cesorion wrote:Social Democratic, centre left

They need more seats.

Penguania And Antarctica

Minnesota Dakota wrote:They need more seats.

Wait till next election, possibly. For now, Liberal and Progress

Penguania And Antarctica

Spanelsko wrote:are they really that confusing? they all focus on certain part, and are simple in my eyes.

not to mention i dont change the bits already made i only add stuff.

I can’t figure out who’s talking ever because there’s no quotations or names. It’s all just random this and that

Cesorion wrote:Wait till next election, possibly. For now, Liberal and Progress

What IRL party is liberal in your mind?

Minnesota Dakota wrote:What IRL party is liberal in your mind?

Unsure. Think of an economicaly and socialy liberal party, somewhere centre-right.

A bit more liberal than that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democracy_(Greece)

The Empire Of Handland wrote:I can’t figure out who’s talking ever because there’s no quotations or names. It’s all just random this and that

if it wasnt obvious its the leader, the main general is also the leader, thats why its only him speaking, in case someone would have speech longer then = ´´yes sir´´ i would put names.

To put it simply, there is a reason the leader is called ´´General Dictator´´ and its not for the reason that the leader is egomaniac. Which is surprising to say at least, also since i see that somehow the obvious isnt as obvious as i was thinking, did anyone else had the same problem as hand?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/213/969/6e6.gif

Why I love antifa

Spanelsko wrote:http://i.magaimg.net/img/1dd.jpg

why i hate antifa.

Yeah, remember when the allies and soviets defeated nazi germany with a peaceful rally?

Spanelsko

Axeldonia wrote:http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/213/969/6e6.gif

Why I love antifa

Yeah, remember when the allies and soviets defeated nazi germany with a peaceful rally?

yeah totally ´´peaceful´´

also do you guys remember the day Gandhi nuked the world?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/896/c32.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hHD3Dxr.png

http://i.imgur.com/OsI4HJO.png

(possibly memes)

Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:yeah totally ´´peaceful´´

I don't think you undertand what he meant by Peaceful; He was mocking you by claiming that somehow Fascists and Dictatorial oppressors can be peacefully reasoned with

Axeldonia

Andromitus wrote:I don't think you undertand what he meant by Peaceful; He was mocking you by claiming that somehow Fascists and Dictatorial oppressors can be peacefully reasoned with

Well now that makes no sense to me, what do you base this on?

Spanelsko wrote:Well now that makes no sense to me, what do you base this on?

I was mocking you.

Axeldonia wrote:I was mocking you.

how?

Spanelsko wrote:how?

...

Andromitus wrote:I don't think you undertand what he meant by Peaceful; He was mocking you by claiming that somehow Fascists and Dictatorial oppressors can be peacefully reasoned with

I think he doesn't get sarcasm.

Spanelsko wrote:Well now that makes no sense to me, what do you base this on?

Antifa members punch Fascists

You say how dare they

Axel says remember when Soviets & Friends peacefully protested against the Fascists to end WWII?

>Point is, we didn't you cannot speak with those that silence you

Axeldonia

Andromitus wrote:Antifa members punch Fascists

You say how dare they

Axel says remember when Soviets & Friends peacefully protested against the Fascists to end WWII?

oh now i understand so you didnt understand my point, my point was that they ´´fight´´ for freedom and anarchy by being lovers of violence and acting like fascists, while also believing that stalinist USSR (CCCP) was a good thing.

[spoiler=Today is October 20 and today are:]

Today is October 20 and today are:

- Arbor Day (Czech Republic)

- Bhai Tika (Nepal)

- Govardhan Puja (India)

- Heroes' Day (Kenya)

- Information Overload Day

- International Sloth Day

- National Brandied Fruit Day (United States)

- National Mammography Day (United States)

- Revolution Day (Guatemala)

- Suspender's Day

- Vietnamese Women's Day (Vietnam)

- World Osteoporosis Day

- World Statistics Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1548 – The city of Nuestra Señora de La Paz (Our Lady of Peace) is founded by Alonso de Mendoza by appointment of the king of Spain and Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V.

- 1568 – Battle of Jodoigne: the Spanish Duke of Alba defeats a Dutch rebel force under William the Silent.

- 1572 – Relief of Goes: Cristóbal de Mondragón, with 3000 soldiers of the Spanish Tercios, relieves the siege of the city.

- 1720 – Caribbean pirate Calico Jack is captured by the Royal Navy.

- 1740 – Maria Theresa takes the throne of Austria. France, Prussia, Bavaria and Saxony refuse to honour the Pragmatic Sanction and the War of the Austrian Succession begins.

- 1781 – The Patent of Toleration, providing limited freedom of worship, is approved in Habsburg Monarchy.

- 1803 – The United States Senate ratifies the Louisiana Purchase.

- 1818 – The Convention of 1818 is signed between the United States and the United Kingdom, which settles the Canada–United States border on the 49th parallel for most of its length.

- 1827 – In the Battle of Navarino, a combined Turkish and Egyptian fleet is defeated by British, French, and Russian naval forces in the last significant battle fought with wooden sailing ships.

- 1873 – Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and Rutgers universities draft the first code of American football rules.

- 1883 – Peru and Chile sign the Treaty of Ancón, by which the Tarapacá province is ceded to the latter, bringing an end to Peru's involvement in the War of the Pacific.

- 1904 – Chile and Bolivia sign the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, delimiting the border between the two countries.

- 1910 – The hull of the RMS Olympic, sister-ship to the ill-fated RMS Titanic, is launched from the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

- 1935 – The Long March, a mammoth retreat undertaken by the armed forces of the Chinese Communist Party a year prior, ends.

- 1941 – World War II: Thousands of civilians in Kragujevac in German-occupied Serbia are murdered in the Kragujevac massacre.

- 1944 – The Soviet Army and Yugoslav Partisans liberate Belgrade, the capital of Yugoslavia

- 1944 – Liquefied natural gas leaks from storage tanks in Cleveland and then explodes; the explosion and resulting fire level 30 blocks and kill 130.

- 1944 – American general Douglas MacArthur fulfills his promise to return to the Philippines when he commands an Allied assault on the islands, reclaiming them from the Japanese during the Second World War.

- 1946 – Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam decides that October 20 is Vietnam Women's Day.

- 1947 – The House Un-American Activities Committee begins its investigation into Communist infiltration of the cinema of the United States, resulting in a blacklist that prevents some from working in the industry for years.

- 1947 – The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan establish diplomatic relations for the first time.

- 1951 – The "Johnny Bright incident" occurs in Stillwater, Oklahoma

- 1952 – Governor Evelyn Baring declares a state of emergency in Kenya and begins arresting hundreds of suspected leaders of the Mau Mau Uprising, including Jomo Kenyatta, the future first President of Kenya.

- 1961 – The Soviet Union performs the first armed test of a submarine-launched ballistic missile, launching an R-13 from a Golf-class submarine.

- 1962 – People's Republic of China launches simultaneous offensives in Ladakh and across the McMahon Line, igniting the Sino-Indian War.

- 1968 – Former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy marries Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis.

- 1973 – "Saturday Night Massacre": United States President Richard Nixon fires U.S. Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus after they refuse to fire Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who is finally fired by Robert Bork.

- 1973 – The Sydney Opera House is opened by Elizabeth II after 14 years of construction.

- 1976 – The ferry George Prince is struck by a ship while crossing the Mississippi River between Destrehan and Luling, Louisiana. Seventy-eight passengers and crew die, and only 18 people aboard the ferry survive.

- 1977 – Rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crashes.

- 1981 – Two police officers and an armored car guard are killed during an armed robbery in Rockland County, New York, carried out by members of the Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground.

- 1982 – During the UEFA Cup match between FC Spartak Moscow and HFC Haarlem, 66 people are crushed to death in the Luzhniki disaster.

- 1991 – A 6.8 Mw earthquake strikes the Uttarkashi region of India, killing more than 1,000 people.

- 2011 – Libyan Civil War: National Transitional Council rebel forces capture ousted Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi in his hometown of Sirte and kill him shortly thereafter.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1632 - Christopher Wren, English physicist, mathematician, and architect, designed St Paul's Cathedral

- 1859 - John Dewey, American psychologist and philosopher

- 1882 - Bela Lugosi, Hungarian-American actor

- 1891 - James Chadwick, English physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1923 - Otfried Preußler, German children's books author

- 1931 - Mickey Mantle, American baseball player and sportscaster

- 1942 - Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard, German biologist and geneticist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1946 - Elfriede Jelinek, Austrian author and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1950 - Tom Petty, American singer-songwriter, guitarist, and producer

- 1956 - Danny Boyle, English director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1958 - Viggo Mortensen, American actor and producer

- 1966 - Stefan Raab, German comedian, singer-songwriter, producer, and television host

- 1971 - Snoop Dogg, American rapper, producer, and actor

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Quote of the day

Writing, to me, is simply thinking through my fingers.

- Isaac Asimov -

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Jaslandia, Minnesota Dakota, Yukona, Percyton

>Point is, we didn't you cannot speak with those that silence you

???

Kalaron wrote:Already had the Foreign Invasion, actually. Red Riders and Uncle Fawkes tried to lead one with RL friends before the Gov mounted a defense back in Montaris, I helped boost our Endorse Count by some fifteen members or so.

I almost forgot about that. At least we were able to fight that one off with little problems, and there were internal disputes among our enemies which limited their effectiveness. A couple of them even joined us for a bit, IIRC.

Spanelsko wrote:also do you guys remember the day Gandhi nuked the world?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/896/c32.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hHD3Dxr.png

http://i.imgur.com/OsI4HJO.png

(possibly memes)

"There is no shame in deterrence. Having a weapon is very different from actually using it. Well, unless you're me. And that weapon is nuclear missiles. In that case, I'm gonna use my weapon and you're all screwed." - Gandhi, 2017

https://youtu.be/jiSPquq0RfI?t=27s

Axeldonia, Spanelsko

Just be it recorded that in my country (IRL) Anarchists have put into fire hundreds of peoples' cars, bombed hundreds of peoples' homes and businesses and stuff like that.(all those people had nothing to do with Fascsim. They just happened to live there, or have their car parked there). No bias from me, just food for thought

Spanelsko

Cesorion wrote:Just be it recorded that in my country (IRL) Anarchists have put into fire hundreds of peoples' cars, bombed hundreds of peoples' homes and businesses and stuff like that.(all those people had nothing to do with Fascsim. They just happened to live there, or have their car parked there). No bias from me, just food for thought

hmmm that sounds for some odd reason similar, did these anarchists have masks and were in black?

for example this retards= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ9gOfmY_k

Cesorion wrote:Just be it recorded that in my country (IRL) Anarchists have put into fire hundreds of peoples' cars, bombed hundreds of peoples' homes and businesses and stuff like that.(all those people had nothing to do with Fascsim. They just happened to live there, or have their car parked there). No bias from me, just food for thought

Well, pardon me for questioning you, but what proof do you have of that? Anarchist rioters aren't really the sort of people who have access to explosives.

Spanelsko wrote:hmmm that sounds for some odd reason similar, did these anarchists have masks and were in black?

for example this retards= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHZ9gOfmY_k

Ah, it reminds you of the black-clad riot police shooting teargas and beating protesters, no?

Axeldonia wrote:Well, pardon me for questioning you, but what proof do you have of that? Anarchist rioters aren't really the sort of people who have access to explosives.

http://www.protagon.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ex2.jpg

From a Greek news site. Photograph from Exarcheia, Athens.

Buses have stopped all rides in that area because of stuff like that occuring every day

Spanelsko

I am bringing back the Roman Salute

Axeldonia wrote:Ah, it reminds you of the black-clad riot police shooting teargas and beating protesters, no?

did you really just compared civilians throwing molotovs on police members with teargas and beating that are in most cases used on protesters like the ones i showed in the video? Not to mention the video i showed was famous for being known as a peaceful protest, yeah burning others property and throwing bottles set on fire is peaceful.

I know you are left BUT how left is your brain infected?

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:I am bringing back the Roman Salute

GG

Cesorion wrote:http://www.protagon.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ex2.jpg

From a Greek news site. Photograph from Exarcheia, Athens.

Buses have stopped all rides in that area because of stuff like that occuring every day

i hope you will be ok.

Cesorion wrote:http://www.protagon.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ex2.jpg

From a Greek news site. Photograph from Exarcheia, Athens.

Buses have stopped all rides in that area because of stuff like that occuring every day

Hm, I see. Well, I certainly condone attacks on civillians/bystanders, but anarchism is also a diverse movement with many different group just in Greece. I will admit I am somewhat extreme in that I endorse lotting which I see as delegitimizing private ownership (though looting small independent stores is both a dick move and bad for PR) and some measure of violence against police, which I see as maintaining the illegitimate monopoly of violence by the state.

I hope you don't take this as a personal attqck and don't really expect you to change your mind, but I hope you can at least get a grasp of my view of the situation.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:what?

i did a small mistake, but what i meant was GJ=good job, since this salute is unknown to a lot of people from what i know.

Spanelsko wrote:did you really just compared civilians throwing molotovs on police members with teargas and beating that are in most cases used on protesters like the ones i showed in the video? Not to mention the video i showed was famous for being known as a peaceful protest, yeah burning others property and throwing bottles set on fire is peaceful.

I know you are left BUT how left is your brain infected?

...Yes? I feel your argument came out a bit muddled. Classy to resort to personal attacks, btw.

Jaslandia wrote:I almost forgot about that. At least we were able to fight that one off with little problems, and there were internal disputes among our enemies which limited their effectiveness. A couple of them even joined us for a bit, IIRC.

"There is no shame in deterrence. Having a weapon is very different from actually using it. Well, unless you're me. And that weapon is nuclear missiles. In that case, I'm gonna use my weapon and you're all screwed." - Gandhi, 2017

https://youtu.be/jiSPquq0RfI?t=27s

Depends on what you mean. I for one personally doubt that there was a true danger at all. Looking back, I can't help but note certain facts that bear reconsideration in light of Puerto (One of the members that had joined us and then cried out against us before ultimately admitting to treason) rejoining Montaris briefly after our exodus, indeed, he even went along with Ru's own attempts to decry us.

Besides, their region has followed us for a pretty long while, it's pretty firmly set in my mind that they constituted at least a few of the trolls from last year.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Depends on what you mean. I for one personally doubt that there was a true danger at all. Looking back, I can't help but note certain facts that bear reconsideration in light of Puerto (One of the members that had joined us and then cried out against us before ultimately admitting to treason) rejoining Montaris briefly after our exodus, indeed, he even went along with Ru's own attempts to decry us.

Besides, their region has followed us for a pretty long while, it's pretty firmly set in my mind that they constituted at least a few of the trolls from last year.

I see. Well, either way, Montaris is basically dead now, and as far as I know, Ru hasn't had contact with any of us in ages, so that's one less thing we have to worry about that.

Axeldonia wrote:...Yes? I feel your argument came out a bit muddled. Classy to resort to personal attacks, btw.

well what about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71bKr8nM0Qg

while the title isnt 100% accurate if anyone has any respect for groups like antifa after this then they are left beyond saving, i didnt meant to resort to a personal attack but defending these FUC-KERS is stupidity at best. Until i saw that i was still like this= yeah antifa does stupid things again, and then i saw this video, while i dont like war this was more then disrespectful, not to mention i hate the left after what it has done my country.

But debating about politics leads to nowhere most of the time, so i say give me your argument and then we will forget about this otherwise we will be here forever.

Axeldonia wrote:Hm, I see. Well, I certainly condone attacks on civillians/bystanders, but anarchism is also a diverse movement with many different group just in Greece. I will admit I am somewhat extreme in that I endorse lotting which I see as delegitimizing private ownership (though looting small independent stores is both a dick move and bad for PR) and some measure of violence against police, which I see as maintaining the illegitimate monopoly of violence by the state.

I hope you don't take this as a personal attqck and don't really expect you to change your mind, but I hope you can at least get a grasp of my view of the situation.

I do have grasp of your way of thinking only from the pretitle. There is no chance that I will change my mind, but I do think that they can very well express themselves in a sitting protest, without burning people's property.

Also, I do not expect you to change your mind, either. Just explaining my point of view

Axeldonia

Spanelsko wrote:well what about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71bKr8nM0Qg

while the title isnt 100% accurate if anyone has any respect for groups like antifa after this then they are left beyond saving, i didnt meant to resort to a personal attack but defending these FUC-KERS is stupidity at best. Until i saw that i was still like this= yeah antifa does stupid things again, and then i saw this video, while i dont like war this was more then disrespectful, not to mention i hate the left after what it has done my country.

But debating about politics leads to nowhere most of the time, so i say give me your argument and then we will forget about this otherwise we will be here forever.

Well, according to the protesters in the video he was telling protesters he was gonna shoot them in the face, so he wasn't without blame and it doesn't surprise me that he got a violent response. As for things "the left" have done to your country, it has given you these horrid things:

[spoiler]Weekends

All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks

Paid Vacation

FMLA

Sick Leave

Social Security

Minimum Wage

Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)

8-Hour Work Day

Overtime Pay

Child Labor Laws

Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)

40 Hour Work Week

Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)

Unemployment Insurance

Pensions

Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations

Employer Health Care Insurance

Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees

Wrongful Termination Laws

Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967

Whistleblower Protection Laws

Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)

Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)

Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)

Sexual Harassment Laws

Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)

Holiday Pay

Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance

Privacy Rights

Pregnancy and Parental Leave

Military Leave

The Right to Strike

Public Education for Children

Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)

Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States[/spoiler]

Equal pay? Lunch breaks? No more child labour? Truly the US is a left-wing dystopia.

Cesorion wrote:I do have grasp of your way of thinking only from the pretitle. There is no chance that I will change my mind, but I do think that they can very well express themselves in a sitting protest, without burning people's property.

Also, I do not expect you to change your mind, either. Just explaining my point of view

Oh no, that was my poor grasp of english stepping in. I CONDEMN attacks on bystanders, I do absolutely not condone them.

Cesorion

Axeldonia wrote:—Snippet—

SPOILERS YOU MONSTER, USE SPOILERS

Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:Well, according to the protesters in the video he was telling protesters he was gonna shoot them in the face, so he wasn't without blame and it doesn't surprise me that he got a violent response. As for things "the left" have done to your country, it has given you these horrid things:

Weekends

All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks

Paid Vacation

FMLA

Sick Leave

Social Security

Minimum Wage

Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)

8-Hour Work Day

Overtime Pay

Child Labor Laws

Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)

40 Hour Work Week

Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)

Unemployment Insurance

Pensions

Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations

Employer Health Care Insurance

Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees

Wrongful Termination Laws

Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967

Whistleblower Protection Laws

Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)

Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)

Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)

Sexual Harassment Laws

Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)

Holiday Pay

Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance

Privacy Rights

Pregnancy and Parental Leave

Military Leave

The Right to Strike

Public Education for Children

Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)

Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

Equal pay? Lunch breaks? No more child labour? Truly the US is a left-wing dystopia.

except when i was talking about communist dictatorship of Československá socialistická republika (CSR) puppet of USSR. NOT USA

Spanelsko wrote:except when i was talking about communist dictatorship of Československá socialistická republika (CSR) puppet of USSR. NOT USA

Are you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism? Because I think you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism

Axeldonia

Andromitus wrote:SPOILERS YOU MONSTER, USE SPOILERS

Did you just violate my NAP you dang statist

Spanelsko wrote:except when i was talking about communist dictatorship of Československá socialistická republika (CSR) puppet of USSR. NOT USA

Ah. Well, since the video you showed me was from the US, I assumed you where from there. As for the USSR, that was authoritarian socialism bordering on national bolshevism, which I do not support.

Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:Oh no, that was my poor grasp of english stepping in. I CONDEMN attacks on bystanders, I do absolutely not condone them.

Oh! OK. Makes much more sense now!

Axeldonia

Cesorion wrote:Oh! OK. Makes much more sense now!

Thanks.

Cesorion

Axeldonia wrote:Well, pardon me for questioning you, but what proof do you have of that? Anarchist rioters aren't really the sort of people who have access to explosives.

*cough*Anarchist’s Cookbook*cough*

Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion

Andromitus wrote:Are you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism? Because I think you're attempting to say that a Socialist movement hijacked by a paranoid half-baked dictator is a valid argument against leftism

The Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (Czech and Slovak: Komunistická strana Československa, KSČ) was a Communist and Marxist–Leninist political party in Czechoslovakia that existed between 1921 and 1992. It was a member of the Comintern. Between 1929 and 1953 it was led by Klement Gottwald. After its election victory in 1946 it seized power in the 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état and established a one-party state allied with the Soviet Union. Nationalization of virtually all private enterprises followed.

being called socialist doenst mean that the nation was socialist, they were communists, your argument is like saying that North Korea is democracy because they have it in their name. While there later was the socialism with human face thing it quickly got crushed when Warsaw Pact came in.

While not all left wing ideas are bad most of them are not worth it. until the left wing commies took over we were a great democratic nation, then we become a dictatorship and puppet of russia.

I do agree with some left wing ideas but certainly all extremes have to be regulated mainly the left.

Russkov Soviet, Andromitus

Axeldonia wrote:Did you just violate my NAP you dang statist

Ah. Well, since the video you showed me was from the US, I assumed you where from there. As for the USSR, that was authoritarian socialism bordering on national bolshevism, which I do not support.

good to know, also i understand that everyone have a different view and i am probably a dick at this point. So sorry.

Spanelsko wrote:being called socialist doenst mean that the nation was socialist, they were communists, your argument is like saying that North Korea is democracy because they have it in their name. While there later was the socialism with human face thing it quickly got crushed when Warsaw Pact came in.

Technicaly North Korea is a democracy. The people can vote in elections.

Peoples Liberation Republic

oh and since we had the argument/debate i might as well say a random fact, before when i was younger i actually was a leftist loving russia, as of today i am right wing libertarian supporter of NATO and USA with strong belief that communist and socialists parties should be banned. While believing in cooperation with both russia and china. (which does sound ironic/hypocritical considering i want freedom yet i also want to ban political parties)

Spanelsko wrote:The Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (Czech and Slovak: Komunistická strana Československa, KSČ) was a Communist and Marxist–Leninist political party in Czechoslovakia that existed between 1921 and 1992. It was a member of the Comintern. Between 1929 and 1953 it was led by Klement Gottwald. After its election victory in 1946 it seized power in the 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état and established a one-party state allied with the Soviet Union. Nationalization of virtually all private enterprises followed.

being called socialist doenst mean that the nation was socialist, they were communists, your argument is like saying that North Korea is democracy because they have it in their name. While there later was the socialism with human face thing it quickly got crushed when Warsaw Pact came in.

While not all left wing ideas are bad most of them are not worth it. until the left wing commies took over we were a great democratic nation, then we become a dictatorship and puppet of russia.

I do agree with some left wing ideas but certainly all extremes have to be regulated mainly the left.

I see. But uh... "then we become a dictatorship and a puppet of Russia?" I control the Motherland according to the map, and I have no puppet. I may be misunderstanding this, but my attention has been grabbed.

Minnesota Dakota wrote:Technicaly North Korea is a democracy. The people can vote in elections.

cant argue with that.

Minnesota Dakota

Russkov Soviet wrote:I see. But uh... "then we become a dictatorship and a puppet of Russia?" I control the Motherland according to the map, and I have no puppet. I may be misunderstanding this, but my attention has been grabbed.

That was real life history not RP. (just making sure you know that)

IC dont mind that, just some old reports and news about CCCP and its puppet base.

Russkov Soviet

oh also sorry to everyone that had to read my little angry speech, i normally try not to cause problems or debates over nothing.

IC

everything ok soviet?

It only gets better: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722587#p32722587

Spanelsko wrote:That was real life history not RP. (just making sure you know that)

IC dont mind that, just some old reports and news about CCCP and its puppet base.

Ok. So I did slightly misunderstand the post. xD

Spanelsko

Russkov Soviet wrote:Ok. So I did slightly misunderstand the post. xD

no problem, it happens all the time to me. :)

Russkov Soviet

It looks like a lot happened while I was gone. Sorry about that, guys! Things got really busy at work.

Audiastan wrote:Thanks to all you who welcomed me back with endorsements! Had a lot back in the day but lost them due to inactivity for me being in Iraq >.> willing to trade endorsement so hit me up

Welcome back, Audiastan!

Jaslandia, Audiastan, Penguania And Antarctica

On an entirely unrelated topic:

https://youtu.be/XmDtvKD236U

the comment section here is glorious.

Lex Caledonia

Percyton wrote:It looks like a lot happened while I was gone. Sorry about that, guys! Things got really busy at work.

Welcome back, Audiastan!

Hey, Percy! How are you?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

What should my democratic name be?

Axeldonia wrote:On an entirely unrelated topic:

https://youtu.be/XmDtvKD236U

the comment section here is glorious.

ya wee dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:ya wee dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Me? Dirty? I give your comment a -8/10, Sir.

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Dipping my toes into the RP: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722724#p32722724

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia

Axeldonia wrote:Me? Dirty? I give your comment a -8/10, Sir.

( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:Dipping my toes into the RP: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722724#p32722724

Ja

Si

Oui

Lex Caledonia

Lex Caledonia wrote:Dipping my toes into the RP: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32722724#p32722724

good luck!

´´reads the thing´´ Recent weeks have called for increased Lex Caledonian involvement in world affairs, especially CONCORD's invasion of the Iberian Peninsula oh for f.................

Lex Caledonia, Minnesota Dakota

Lex Caledonia wrote:( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)

What? It's a bouncy tune.

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Spanelsko wrote:The Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (Czech and Slovak: Komunistická strana Československa, KSČ) was a Communist and Marxist–Leninist political party in Czechoslovakia that existed between 1921 and 1992. It was a member of the Comintern. Between 1929 and 1953 it was led by Klement Gottwald. After its election victory in 1946 it seized power in the 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état and established a one-party state allied with the Soviet Union. Nationalization of virtually all private enterprises followed.

being called socialist doenst mean that the nation was socialist, they were communists, your argument is like saying that North Korea is democracy because they have it in their name. While there later was the socialism with human face thing it quickly got crushed when Warsaw Pact came in.

While not all left wing ideas are bad most of them are not worth it. until the left wing commies took over we were a great democratic nation, then we become a dictatorship and puppet of russia.

I do agree with some left wing ideas but certainly all extremes have to be regulated mainly the left.

Well alrighty then, let me check, you don't know what these ideologies mean considering your use of the term "Communist" and "Socialist". Despite you saying otherwise, both the USSR and all of its satellites were socialist, as socialism is defined as a "When the production, distribution, and exchange is owned or regulated by the community/state." None of them were Communist however, as Communism is loosely defined as "A society where property is publicly owned, and the abolition of both the Money and State have concluded."

In fact, I grow increasingly more confused with the points you made as I read on, as I never once argued for the USSR's recognition as a Socialist state, and instead I made the argument that it should be considered a Hijacked dictatorship. You also then tie in Marxism-Leninism as a sole argument against the entire left as which is just a fundamentally idiotic argument to make.

Here I can do the same, All of Rightism is a violent and dangerous ideological position, and while I agree with it too an extent, it's extremes have to be heavily regulated or simply censored. Look at Fascism, National Socialism, and Integralism for proof of concept, ideologies that led to the systematic eradication of millions; or perhaps the formation of major Corporate Oligarchies (and especially in 1860's America, "Political Machines") in the US on numerous occasions to the point that one company (the New York Custom House) collected tariffs on virtually every port in the nation, and was then able to lobby political candidates so it effectively controlled the democratic process.

You then further my own point against using the 1900's Socialist nations as an excuse to disparage the Left, by literally pointing out to me how the USSR maintained its influence, not through Ideology, but by quite literally puppeting everything close to it.

In the most blatent terms, my entire argument against you was not one of Ideology, but was that you not only used one Ideology to disparage an entire Ideological Wing, but how you equally used an ideology developed as a propaganda tool by a paranoid, border-line schizophrenic Totalitarian Dictator who came to power through political subversion and later, political purges.

Axeldonia

Axeldonia wrote:What? It's a bouncy tune.

https://i.imgur.com/0VgpGVM.gif

Axeldonia

Andromitus wrote:Well alrighty then, let me check, you don't know what these ideologies mean considering your use of the term "Communist" and "Socialist". Despite you saying otherwise, both the USSR and all of its satellites were socialist, as socialism is defined as a "When the production, distribution, and exchange is owned or regulated by the community/state." None of them were Communist however, as Communism is loosely defined as "A society where property is publicly owned, and the abolition of both the Money and State have concluded."

In fact, I grow increasingly more confused with the points you made as I read on, as I never once argued for the USSR's recognition as a Socialist state, and instead I made the argument that it should be considered a Hijacked dictatorship. You also then tie in Marxism-Leninism as a sole argument against the entire left as which is just a fundamentally idiotic argument to make.

Here I can do the same, All of Rightism is a violent and dangerous ideological position, and while I agree with it too an extent, it's extremes have to be heavily regulated or simply censored. Look at Fascism, National Socialism, and Integralism for proof of concept, ideologies that led to the systematic eradication of millions; or perhaps the formation of major Corporate Oligarchies (and especially in 1860's America, "Political Machines") in the US on numerous occasions to the point that one company (the New York Custom House) collected tariffs on virtually every port in the nation, and was then able to lobby political candidates so it effectively controlled the democratic process.

You then further my own point against using the 1900's Socialist nations as an excuse to disparage the Left, by literally pointing out to me how the USSR maintained its influence, not through Ideology, but by quite literally puppeting everything close to it.

In the most blatent terms, my entire argument against you was not one of Ideology, but was that you not only used one Ideology to disparage an entire Ideological Wing, but how you equally used an ideology developed as a propaganda tool by a paranoid, border-line schizophrenic Totalitarian Dictator who came to power through political subversion and later, political purges.

I didnt put the marxist-Lenin ideology as an argument i simply used the wikipedia to make it quicker with the definition of the party, i only always meant the stalinist communism, ironically i do actually think that marx wasnt bad and did have some good ideas but as we all know that failed extremely due to someone, i know that true communism never existed and that stalinism (USSR communism) wasnt real communism at all, also i do agree that some of my points are idiotic (thinking about a bit more) but well i already made my arguments and my stupid arguments already.

Andromitus

Andromitus wrote:Well alrighty then, let me check, you don't know what these ideologies mean considering your use of the term "Communist" and "Socialist". Despite you saying otherwise, both the USSR and all of its satellites were socialist, as socialism is defined as a "When the production, distribution, and exchange is owned or regulated by the community/state." None of them were Communist however, as Communism is loosely defined as "A society where property is publicly owned, and the abolition of both the Money and State have concluded."

In fact, I grow increasingly more confused with the points you made as I read on, as I never once argued for the USSR's recognition as a Socialist state, and instead I made the argument that it should be considered a Hijacked dictatorship. You also then tie in Marxism-Leninism as a sole argument against the entire left as which is just a fundamentally idiotic argument to make.

Here I can do the same, All of Rightism is a violent and dangerous ideological position, and while I agree with it too an extent, it's extremes have to be heavily regulated or simply censored. Look at Fascism, National Socialism, and Integralism for proof of concept, ideologies that led to the systematic eradication of millions; or perhaps the formation of major Corporate Oligarchies (and especially in 1860's America, "Political Machines") in the US on numerous occasions to the point that one company (the New York Custom House) collected tariffs on virtually every port in the nation, and was then able to lobby political candidates so it effectively controlled the democratic process.

You then further my own point against using the 1900's Socialist nations as an excuse to disparage the Left, by literally pointing out to me how the USSR maintained its influence, not through Ideology, but by quite literally puppeting everything close to it.

In the most blatent terms, my entire argument against you was not one of Ideology, but was that you not only used one Ideology to disparage an entire Ideological Wing, but how you equally used an ideology developed as a propaganda tool by a paranoid, border-line schizophrenic Totalitarian Dictator who came to power through political subversion and later, political purges.

B-But lefties are all baby-eating maniacs! Fox news says so!

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