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Russian Fedration wrote:The amount of Bickering and the Need to Shut people down here is honestly Outright ridiculous

It's not really shutting people down, though. You'll notice I never said he couldn't use it, just that it's a terrible idea to for reasons "X" "Y" and "Z".

Quite frankly, what Bax said is right, there isn't a law keeping people from doing it, but it is a pretty big problem for your nation if you do. It's like the real world if common people actually were in charge of their nations, you wouldn't have a lot of friends in other nations.

Russian Fedration wrote:The amount of Bickering and the Need to Shut people down here is honestly Outright ridiculous

Kalaron wrote:Well no, it's just that the terms "PTSD", "Complete Civilian Backlash", "Hearts and Minds" and "Space for Supplies" aren't lost on me.

Unless we're going with the same lol!psychology that causes for RP soldiers to be able to endure constant torture, then most of the people you stick with the gig are going to be on the verge of a breakdown almost always. Sniper Teams will prioritize them (Both to break the moral of other troops and because they're cooking friendly troops) which means most will be paranoid of stepping outside of anything that shields them from the outside world, they're literally carrying an incendiary mixture on their back that could set them ablaze in an unfortunate circumstance, they have to keep away from other troops to prevent...you know...friendly fire and showing where your soldiers are and -if captured- will almost certainly get executed.

Oh and they're cooking humans alive which will probably take a toll on their think-pan.

When Civilians in your nation find out you're cooking men and women alive by watching stunning high resolution video...be prepared to watch your war effort fall apart without lol!psychology.

When the civilian population of the opposing nation find out you've cooked their men and women....well, I hope you find Vietnam 2.0 fun for everyone.

Considering the supplies you could carry instead of parts and fuel for a flame-thrower (say, a good one is about four feet tall and three across, wonder how much ammo or rifles or men or medical supplies or....ect....ect) you'll find it kinda draining on your quarter-masters when they keep screaming through the phone for rifle parts and ammunition.

When other nations find out you're cooking people alive, well, guess how few non-LolEvil!Nations will want to ally with you? Yeah, not that many, and you kinda have to hope the others don't ally with the one getting burned.

Finally, if the trooper with the flame-thrower finds that it doesn't work, or the assembly gets shot to hell, you're down a man and a weapon whereas a rifle can be repaired pretty easily in the field and the guy with the flame-thrower is too burdened with the fuel to also carry ammo for the rifle.

Oh and psychological warfare can be done a lot better with a barrage of effective 155mm Artillery fire since your troops don't get to see, smell and hear people burning alive :>

Tl;dr version please?

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths

Unfallious wrote:Maybe we should have a convention for that sorta stuff. Might be good if the WWI RP is as barbaric and ghastly as I have a feeling it's gonna be

Baxten wrote:Yes, we really should. God forbid we have another Napalm in Flynnvakia situation *shudders*

Let's not and say we did, yeah?

Friedensreich wrote:Tl;dr version please?

Your soldiers get PTSD, your Civilians won't support you, your enemies' civilians will hate you, other nations won't support you and a few other things discrediting the use of "psychological warfare" in the form of a flame-thrower.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:It's not really shutting people down, though. You'll notice I never said he couldn't use it, just that it's a terrible idea to for reasons "X" "Y" and "Z".

Quite frankly, what Bax said is right, there isn't a law keeping people from doing it, but it is a pretty big problem for your nation if you do. It's like the real world if common people actually were in charge of their nations, you wouldn't have a lot of friends in other nations.

Than how about you bud out and let him be him ?

Friedensreich wrote:Tl;dr version please?

Mod over reach

And there all hippies

Kalaron wrote:1) Your soldiers get PTSD,

2) your Civilians won't support you,

3) your enemies' civilians will hate you,

4) other nations won't support you and a few other things discrediting the use of "psychological warfare" in the form of a flame-thrower.

1) Meh, as if people will get PTSD just from being in a vehicle with a flamethrower as opposed to any other.

2) Not until some very careful politicking where we discredit the enemy and manipulate the people into a sense of rage against them. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

3) Boohoo?

4) Except for, you know, those that approve of flame throwers.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Than how about you bud out and let him be him ?

Mod over reach

And there all hippies

Because me explaining why it's a bad idea is me not letting him do it?

I repeat what I've said before, I never said he couldn't go and do it.

Please show me where I said as a Moderater that he couldn't.

Magnatronia

Russian Fedration wrote:Than how about you bud out and let him be him ?

Mod over reach

And there all hippies

Just advising that it's a bad idea is not the same as saying it can't be done.

But really, its kinda annoying how all the fun stuff is shunned.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:Just advising that it's a bad idea is not the same as saying it can't be done.

But really, its kinda annoying how all the fun stuff is shunned.

Shun the nonbeliever, shuuun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRB8Jor8tPs

Jaslandia, Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:1) Meh, as if people will get PTSD just from being in a vehicle with a flamethrower as opposed to any other.

2) Not until some very careful politicking where we discredit the enemy and manipulate the people into a sense of rage against them. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

3) Boohoo?

4) Except for, you know, those that approve of flame throwers.

I've already gone over all of these points in the first post, asking for a TL;DR is perhaps the most useless thing to do if you want to argue the points inside of it since you're asking for the person to strip away their supporting reasoning.

Going to give cursory reasons for what this comes down to, though.

1) That's not how the military works since dismounted infantry follow the tanks and will get a nice dosage of "Seeing, smelling and hearing" burning bodies. Those inside will still get to watch and likely hear it happen too, maybe even smell it if you don't have an overpressure system always on.

2) Right, in WWII. This is the same Lol!psychology that leads to Soldiers being able to endure constant torture despite being Grunts; You can't convince a population that hasn't been in direct combat to hate the enemy so much that they excuse the military torching people on a regular basis, human empathy still has a way of breaking through when videos of the people shrieking in pain from deady burns gets to the population.

Hell, in WWII, the government cleaned up most of the photos and recordings so the populace wouldn't freak out, good luck in the age of mobile devices and hacking.

3) As I've already said in the first post, good luck with Vietnam 2.0 as they flood their military with support or devote themselves to bombing yours until you pull out.

4) Yes, which doesn't include most of the two dominant factions which could -for Public relations- either force you two into a peace agreement with heavy concessions to the ones you were...you know...lighting on fire...or get involved to curbstomp the few nations that do support you if they even want to get involved to defend your nation.

WW2 was a learning experience, not one to emulate in current military strategies, lol.

Kalaron wrote:Because me explaining why it's a bad idea is me not letting him do it?

I repeat what I've said before, I never said he couldn't go and do it.

Please show me where I said as a Moderater that he couldn't.

I suppose.

Friedensreich wrote:1) Meh, as if people will get PTSD just from being in a vehicle with a flamethrower as opposed to any other.

2) Not until some very careful politicking where we discredit the enemy and manipulate the people into a sense of rage against them. It's happened before, it'll happen again.

3) Boohoo?

4) Except for, you know, those that approve of flame throwers.

1)I LOVE IT

2)EXACTLY !

3)LOL I FEEL!

4)Well than someones gonna have issiues with me too than

Friedensreich wrote:Just advising that it's a bad idea is not the same as saying it can't be done.

But really, its kinda annoying how all the fun stuff is shunned.

Its Really annoying honestly . Hippy central

Kalaron wrote:

WW2 was a learning experience, not one to emulate in current military strategies, lol.

Yeah, uh huh. You're a regular ray of sunshine aren't you?

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:I suppose.

1)I LOVE IT

2)EXACTLY !

3)LOL I FEEL!

4)Well than someones gonna have issiues with me too than

Its Really annoying honestly . Hippy central

I'd hate to see how these nations fight. None of the fun stuff must make wars extremely boring to write out.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:Yeah, uh huh. You're a regular ray of sunshine aren't you?

I mean, sorry if history and the mechanisms by which society work don't agree with the weapon you want to use, but it ain't my fault.

Most of us prefer to RP things other than war, but I point you towards PK and Tserra's RP if you want to watch how most RP wars here should operate.

It almost certainly won't be..you know...boring.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, sorry if history and the mechanisms by which society work don't agree with the weapon you want to use, but it ain't my fault.

Most of us prefer to RP things other than war, but I point you towards PK and Tserra's RP if you want to watch how most RP wars here should operate.

It almost certainly won't be..you know...boring.

You can cut the condescending sarcasm, thanks.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:You can cut the condescending sarcasm, thanks.

I didn't actually mean to sound sarcastic, tbh, I've just used the words "I mean..." so much the words have lost their tone and become a way to start a response in a debate.

As for the other bits, it's a reinforcement of my point, considering that Empathy is how people tend to get along with each other in life.

In short, sorry if I sound sarcastic, I'm probably being sincere.

Friedensreich wrote:Yeah, uh huh. You're a regular ray of sunshine aren't you?

Oh yea he really is.

Friedensreich wrote:I'd hate to see how these nations fight. None of the fun stuff must make wars extremely boring to write out.

I can agree. i dont feel like they wont be Experienced Fighters .

Friedensreich wrote:You can cut the condescending sarcasm, thanks.

His is on FULLY Pedal!

Wheres Cartman when you need him?

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103809/hippie-infestation

Friedensreich wrote:Tl;dr version please?

I move that all of Kal's "lemme explain" posts come with tl;dr appendices. In fact, I believe we should have an international conference so as to make it law.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Andromitus

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I move that all of Kal's "lemme explain" posts come with tl;dr appendices. In fact, I believe we should have an international conference so as to make it law.

Y'all sure can, but I'm not going to participate in any international law conferences :P

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia

Russian Fedration wrote:The amount of butt hurt over Kal's RP opinions, and the need to shut people down who do not agree with me is honestly outright ridiculous.

Kalaron

Tserra wrote:

Ah Funny Haha , edit my words hahah im rolling over ...not.

Russian Fedration wrote:Ah Funny Haha , edit my words hahah im rolling over ...not.

Top kek.

Russian Fedration wrote:K

http://i.imgur.com/uUKOiQb.jpg

Jaslandia

Tserra wrote:http://i.imgur.com/uUKOiQb.jpg

MFW Tse is an A-plus sh!tposter :D

You're our Pope Francis and a national treasure.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Russian Fedration wrote:Ah Funny Haha , edit my words hahah im rolling over ...not.

It's kind of a dick thing to do. It always ticked me off when Pruss did it back in TNI.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:It's kind of a dick thing to do. It always ticked me off when Pruss did it back in TNI.

it really is. I only do it in very rare occasions.

Kalaron wrote:MFW Tse is an A-plus sh!tposter :D

You're our Pope Francis and a national treasure.

Atleast you didn't say Pope Benedict XVI....

Jaslandia, Andromitus

The constitutional proposal has now been updated following suggestions from the Convention:

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10195769/2/#new

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Just finished writing a 2000 word essay on Nazism. Weird time to write it but it's done.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Just finished writing a 2000 word essay on Nazism. Weird time to write it but it's done.
Gg, comrade

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Just finished writing a 2000 word essay on Nazism. Weird time to write it but it's done.

What specifically about Nazism? Because Nazism is little more than a conglomeration of bastardized ideologies.

Eugenics didn't have nearly as bad of a reputation as an ideology before Nazism, but now, the minute you start talking about how genetic enhancements and science can lead to a pure human species without disease and defects, and you get called a Nazi.

I've actually been waiting for Attack on Titan Season two for about 5 years now, and I didn't know that a portion of it was already out (sniff); So I just watched episodes 1 to 3 1/2

Why 3 1/2 you ask? Because the crunchyrolls website just crashed! And I'm just...I'm...

http://i.imgur.com/jV4Aa1B.png?1

Friedensreich wrote:What specifically about Nazism? Because Nazism is little more than a conglomeration of bastardized ideologies.

Eugenics didn't have nearly as bad of a reputation as an ideology before Nazism, but now, the minute you start talking about how genetic enhancements and science can lead to a pure human species without disease and defects, and you get called a Nazi.

I discussed the concepts of power, authority and ideology. I discussed how fascism was used to further the objectives of the Nazi regime and how power, authority and ideology related to the regime.

As for eugenics, finding cures for diseases and defects is fine but using it to get rid of so called "undesirables" is sick and evil.

Aghrabia, Aldaur, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Nuremgard wrote:As for eugenics, finding cures for diseases and defects is fine but using it to get rid of so called "undesirables" is sick and evil.

Exactly, I like eugenics, but I don't want to "purify" humanity or Brave New World this shít

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Exactly, I like eugenics, but I don't want to "purify" humanity or Brave New World this shít

I have an inherent distrust of eugenics.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I have an inherent distrust of eugenics.

Andromitus wrote:Exactly, I like eugenics, but I don't want to "purify" humanity or Brave New World this shít

The sketchier proponents of eugenics usually promote it as a solution to people like me: Hispanic/non-white. So I think I'll pass.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur

I need a new name for my capitol city. It needs to sound very Eastern European and I want it to sound strong, yet elegent. Examples from the real world would be Vienna, Kiev, Moscow, Berlin, Paris, London, etc. Any thoughts?

Magnatronia wrote:The sketchier proponents of eugenics usually promote it as a solution to people like me: Hispanic/non-white. So I think I'll pass.

Yea no, thats not me, thats actually disgusting.

Nuremgard wrote:I have an inherent distrust of eugenics.

And for good reason, it is far to easy to misuse it. And in (A second) response to mag's, As a pro-eugenicist, IDC that you're you :) My end goal is choice, the only "Solution" for skin tones or 'race' or whatever is giving you the ability to choose it pre and post birth. Your parents want you to have blue skin, but you now want green? Boom, Andy's got ya covered ;)

[spoiler=Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant]My end goal is a more perfect humanity, and I'm not going on the whole...controlled breeding aspect. I'm more one who would develop or replicate generally good genes, such as optimized stomach acids or better hearing, and input them in a willing person. This could be done by CRISPR or some other form of human genome manipulation but you get the point. So I'm less of a eugenicist, and more of a Eugenic Engineer...

My ideal future is one where choice, my favorite word, is in our hands; I'd want to edit out diseases with cures and vaccines, extend the human lifespan to the best of possibility; I'd give new choices such as skin tone, eye color, height, ideal memory types, or optimized bodily functions, Helll, I'd go way further with the sci-fi stuff with such brilliant ideas as the Technological Singularity; Formalize our senses, such as being able to see in the full electromagnetic spectrum, how 'bout electroreception? What if we had the ability to not just mentally communicate, but transmit understanding between each other? And I mean emotions, data, literal and direct information from the givers perspective, we'd be able to push even further, controlling the technology around you would be as simple and natural as breathing.

But at the end of the day, I want it to be the consumers fully informed choice; forcing this change on a population, or misinforming them about it, is simply wrong, sickening, and beneath the possibility eugenic engineering can provide.[/spoiler]

Nuremgard, Aldaur, Magnatronia

Aldaur wrote:I need a new name for my capitol city. It needs to sound very Eastern European and I want it to sound strong, yet elegent. Examples from the real world would be Vienna, Kiev, Moscow, Berlin, Paris, London, etc. Any thoughts?

Any language it should push for? How bout Pevier (Peh Vi Yer) or Karava (Kar á vah)?

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Any language it should push for? How bout Pevier (Peh Vi Yer) or Karava (Kar á vah)?

I would like it to sound Slavic I guess. However, I believe Vienna is the perfect sounding city because it sounds elegent. Let's go with elegent, over strong. I don't want it to sound too hard.

I like Pevier, but it sounds too french. I don't really lik Karava. Any other suggestions? :^D

Einsiev, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:I would like it to sound Slavic I guess. However, I believe Vienna is the perfect sounding city because it sounds elegent. Let's go with elegent, over strong. I don't want it to sound too hard.

I like Pevier, but it sounds too french. I don't really lik Karava. Any other suggestions? :^D

How about Bistriža?

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:I like Pevier, but it sounds too french.

Updated:

Preveir (Pre Vei Rr) perhaps?

Aldaur

Einsiev wrote:How about Bistriža?

Meh, I don't like that one.

Andromitus wrote:Updated:

Preveir (Pre Vei Rr) perhaps?

Preveir, Belmora. Hmm...better, but it still doesn't sound right.

Aldaur wrote:I would like it to sound Slavic I guess. However, I believe Vienna is the perfect sounding city because it sounds elegent. Let's go with elegent, over strong. I don't want it to sound too hard.

I like Pevier, but it sounds too french. I don't really lik Karava. Any other suggestions? :^D

Zhadinovosk!

Russian Fedration, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote:Zhadinovosk!

Dear God, no :p Too long and hard sounding. Doesn't sound elegent at all haha

Nuremgard wrote:I discussed the concepts of power, authority and ideology. I discussed how fascism was used to further the objectives of the Nazi regime and how power, authority and ideology related to the regime.

As for eugenics, finding cures for diseases and defects is fine but using it to get rid of so called "undesirables" is sick and evil.

You missed a great opportunity to talk about how Nazism rose in the first place and how it's rise relates to today's resurgence of nationalism and xenophobia.

Germany during the Weimar Republic was weak and corrupt. The Treaty of Versailles destroyed the German economy (the Brits and french only have themselves to blame for that), devalued the Mark to nothing, and left many people homeless or unemployed.

The Nazi party capitalized on the weaknesses of the Weimar Republic and promised a strong government that would work against the wealthy (as we all know, the Nazis had a big problem with the aristocracy) and *make Germany powerful again*. Naturally, *they also used scapegoats to pin on all the blames for Germany's woes*. What first comes to mind when talking about their scapegoats are the Jewish, the British, and the French. "Vote for me if you want a stronger Germany that will get back at those Jews and Frogs!" would probably be their slogan if they were honest and concise. You have to give it to those nutjobs, they knew how to win an election.

Now, compare that to good ole' Donny in the White House. Donald Trump uses scapegoats a la illegal immigrants, Muslims, and Terrorists, ran on a campaign motto of "Make America Great Again", has a hilariously nationalistic platform, and ran as a populist against the "c'rrupt librul elites in Washington." Oh, and ironically enough, both Donny and Hitler discredit(ed) news sources and critics as being biased. "Fake news", and what not.

Finally, the unexplainable boner for Russia for both men. Just one wanted to f*ck the Soviets up for being Slavic, and the other one wants better ties all the while being extremely shady about his campaign dealings with them.

I would also say this could have also applied to Thatcher 2.0- I mean, Theresa May- but she's not as much of an inexperienced nutjob as Donald Trump.

Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:Dear God, no :p Too long and hard sounding. Doesn't sound elegent at all haha

Zhukovgrad?

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Zhukovgrad?

That doesn't sound elegent to me either. Try something closer to Vienna or Monaco or something :p

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Yea no, thats not me, thats actually disgusting.

And for good reason, it is far to easy to misuse it. And in (A second) response to mag's, As a pro-eugenicist, IDC that you're you :) My end goal is choice, the only "Solution" for skin tones or 'race' or whatever is giving you the ability to choose it pre and post birth. Your parents want you to have blue skin, but you now want green? Boom, Andy's got ya covered ;)

[spoiler=Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant]My end goal is a more perfect humanity, and I'm not going on the whole...controlled breeding aspect. I'm more one who would develop or replicate generally good genes, such as optimized stomach acids or better hearing, and input them in a willing person. This could be done by CRISPR or some other form of human genome manipulation but you get the point. So I'm less of a eugenicist, and more of a Eugenic Engineer...

My ideal future is one where choice, my favorite word, is in our hands; I'd want to edit out diseases with cures and vaccines, extend the human lifespan to the best of possibility; I'd give new choices such as skin tone, eye color, height, ideal memory types, or optimized bodily functions, Helll, I'd go way further with the sci-fi stuff with such brilliant ideas as the Technological Singularity; Formalize our senses, such as being able to see in the full electromagnetic spectrum, how 'bout electroreception? What if we had the ability to not just mentally communicate, but transmit understanding between each other? And I mean emotions, data, literal and direct information from the givers perspective, we'd be able to push even further, controlling the technology around you would be as simple and natural as breathing.

But at the end of the day, I want it to be the consumers fully informed choice; forcing this change on a population, or misinforming them about it, is simply wrong, sickening, and beneath the possibility eugenic engineering can provide.[/spoiler]

Yuck, are you one of those people that think the betterment of humanity should be left to companies?

*Tl;dr*-Personally, that is a big no-no to me. The development of CRISPR/Cas 9 gene editing procedures in humans should be kept under government ownership.

The problem with allowing individual companies to deliver and handle the procedures would have a big, big consequence to them. It could end up with a super-developed elite and a normal lower and middle class.

You see, gene editing will be expensive for quite a long time. Companies have to pay for the lab, the technicians, the research, and the procedure itself. If we follow the Human Capital Theory (which I follow despite some other economists try to discredit it; basically, price is derived from cost, and the largest contributor to cost is the human worker. The more educated the worker, the more expensive he is. That is why I laugh incessantly when people say "Let's bring manufacturing jobs back to the US!". Yeah, sorry bud, economics disagrees with you.), we can see that the need for Ph.D holding, certified researchers and technicians will make the price of the procedure for gene editing to be expensive.

Now, who can afford expensive medical procedures and not bat an eye at its cost? Well, the super wealthy, of course! The super-wealthy will pay to have their own characteristics enhanced while everyday people like you and I will be stuck with our run-of-the-mill, roll of the dice right out of the oven genes (I lost the genetic lottery, seeing how I inherited psoriasis, unfortunately. On the upside though, it's damn near impossible for me to get sick most of the time because my immune system is so active that it attacks itself). We can expect the super wealthy to also try paying for the procedures for their children. If you think the children of the super wealthy were privileged now, get ready for a ride.

If the children of the super wealthy are noticeably more intelligent, perceptive, healthier, or more physically fit/appealing, they will trump normal people in those areas. They will succeed based on the traits mommy and daddy bought, and normal people would be largely kept out of climbing the social ladder simply because we can't compete.

*Tin foil hat time!* This leads to social stagnation, which could lead to the creation of the two distinct classes Marx discussed- the super wealthy and powerful Bourgeoisie and the normal and powerless Proletariat. This has further implications, but let's leave that there. *end speculation*

The only way to ensure that everyone can get their genes improved is through government handling of the technology. Everyone should receive a treatment for a disease or improved health, or no one should.

Russian Fedration, Aghrabia

Aldaur wrote:That doesn't sound elegent to me either. Try something closer to Vienna or Monaco or something :p

Neither of those are Eastern European, though :P

If you want it to sound powerful, Zhukovgrad is the way to go. You can't get much more powerful than Zhukov! (Well, Manstein, but I digress)

Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Neither of those are Eastern European, though :P

If you want it to sound powerful, Zhukovgrad is the way to go. You can't get much more powerful than Zhukov! (Well, Manstein, but I digress)

Well, fine :p I just want it to sound pretty but not French or overtly German lol

Aldaur wrote:Well, fine :p I just want it to sound pretty but not French or overtly German lol

How about Piteå? It's Swedish.

Or, Usk? It's Welsh.

Maybe Pembroke? It's Welsh too.

Aldaur

Friedensreich wrote:How about Piteå? It's Swedish.

Or, Usk? It's Welsh.

Maybe Pembroke? It's Welsh too.

Meh :p

Osariel (Oh-Sar-E-L), Belmora. Like it? I will be coming up with a few more hopefully.

Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Andromitus.

Aldaur wrote:Meh :p

Osariel (Oh-Sar-E-L), Belmora. Like it? I will be coming up with a few more hopefully.

Varmeryn, Belmora is another one :p

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:[spoiler=Added spoilers yo]Yuck, are you one of those people that think the betterment of humanity should be left to companies?

*Tl;dr*-Personally, that is a big no-no to me. The development of CRISPR/Cas 9 gene editing procedures in humans should be kept under government ownership.

The problem with allowing individual companies to deliver and handle the procedures would have a big, big consequence to them. It could end up with a super-developed elite and a normal lower and middle class.

You see, gene editing will be expensive for quite a long time. Companies have to pay for the lab, the technicians, the research, and the procedure itself. If we follow the Human Capital Theory (which I follow despite some other economists try to discredit it; basically, price is derived from cost, and the largest contributor to cost is the human worker. The more educated the worker, the more expensive he is. That is why I laugh incessantly when people say "Let's bring manufacturing jobs back to the US!". Yeah, sorry bud, economics disagrees with you.), we can see that the need for Ph.D holding, certified researchers and technicians will make the price of the procedure for gene editing to be expensive.

Now, who can afford expensive medical procedures and not bat an eye at its cost? Well, the super wealthy, of course! The super-wealthy will pay to have their own characteristics enhanced while everyday people like you and I will be stuck with our run-of-the-mill, roll of the dice right out of the oven genes (I lost the genetic lottery, seeing how I inherited psoriasis, unfortunately. On the upside though, it's damn near impossible for me to get sick most of the time because my immune system is so active that it attacks itself). We can expect the super wealthy to also try paying for the procedures for their children. If you think the children of the super wealthy were privileged now, get ready for a ride.

If the children of the super wealthy are noticeably more intelligent, perceptive, healthier, or more physically fit/appealing, they will trump normal people in those areas. They will succeed based on the traits mommy and daddy bought, and normal people would be largely kept out of climbing the social ladder simply because we can't compete.

*Tin foil hat time!* This leads to social stagnation, which could lead to the creation of the two distinct classes Marx discussed- the super wealthy and powerful Bourgeoisie and the normal and powerless Proletariat. This has further implications, but let's leave that there. *end speculation*

The only way to ensure that everyone can get their genes improved is through government handling of the technology. Everyone should receive a treatment for a disease or improved health, or no one should.[/spoiler]

OKAY How in actual fµck did you think I would, as an ANTI-CORPORATE ÆDENIST, want fµcking COMPANIES to develop the human genome! (Not actually mad btw) THATS THE LAST THING I WANT, ANDROMITUS IS for the most part, the paragon of the society that I want, (however I must admit that I have taken literary liberties to flush it out as a non-IRL nation). You seriously got corporate genetic modification from that paragraph of choice and free evolution that I spouted from my stratosphericly high horse?

I literally agree with every word you said! ALL OF THEM! The whole point of what I wrote was to fully and completely express my will for society as a whole, to develop and adapt these engineered traits to an open and informed populace. To not force them, and to easily and freely release them for the betterment of humanity. If the whole point of Eugenic Engineering is to better Humanity, then how in hëll is dividing it into two superior and weaker species in any way apart of a their, my, main goal?

Do a little research about someone before yelling at them about the very idea they agree with you the most (>:0)

Andromitus wrote:OKAY How in actual fµck did you think I would, as an ANTI-CORPORATE ÆDENIST, want fµcking COMPANIES to develop the human genome! (Not actually mad btw) THATS THE LAST THING I WANT, ANDROMITUS IS for the most part, the paragon of the society that I want, (however I must admit that I have taken literary liberties to flush it out as a non-IRL nation). You seriously got corporate genetic modification from that paragraph of choice and free evolution that I spouted from my stratosphericly high horse?

I literally agree with every word you said! ALL OF THEM! The whole point of what I wrote was to fully and completely express my will for society as a whole, to develop and adapt these engineered traits to an open and informed populace. To not force them, and to easily and freely release them for the betterment of humanity. If the whole point of Eugenic Engineering is to better Humanity, then how in hëll is dividing it into two superior and weaker species in any way apart of a their, my, main goal?

Do a little research about someone before yelling at them about the very idea they agree with you the most (>:0)

Maybe you should do a little research into my post, because I made no such association. I asked you if you were one of them then ranted about why it's a bad idea.

Russian Fedration, Andromitus

Friedensreich wrote:Maybe you should do a little research into my post, because I made no such association. I asked you if you were one of them then ranted about why it's a bad idea.

Yea well, initial association formats are fairly easy, you ask a question directed towards a specific answer, and then explain why the implied answer is negative. The association would be instinctive between myself and the negative answer due to the formatting of your post. Wether you meant it or not, the way you said it implied that I was the answer you stated was negative...Hence my dramatic, out of character, and over the completely top reaction usually found among those typing at 3 in the morning and in equal sense performed to splurge, fulfill my daily typing quota, and further exemplify my viewpoint to those watching this hilarious conversation of barely comprehensive text-walls unfold :) (Still not mad btw, can't tell if you are tho :3)

2,861 posts Ive missed...I've been gone for a while it seems :(

Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Calofas wrote:2,861 posts Ive missed...I've been gone for a while it seems :(

Glad you didn't CTE this time while you were away

Calofas, Jaslandia, Yukona

Just so everyone knows, everyone please contact me on my new nation [nation=short]Belmora[/nation] from now on :p I am so ready to rp :p

Jaslandia, Belmora, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Magnatronia

Aldaur wrote:Just so everyone knows, everyone please contact me on my new nation [nation=short]Belmora[/nation] from now on :p I am so ready to rp :p

Didn't you lead the Fascist Order at some point?

Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:You missed a great opportunity to talk about how Nazism rose in the first place and how it's rise relates to today's resurgence of nationalism and xenophobia.

Germany during the Weimar Republic was weak and corrupt. The Treaty of Versailles destroyed the German economy (the Brits and french only have themselves to blame for that), devalued the Mark to nothing, and left many people homeless or unemployed.

The Nazi party capitalized on the weaknesses of the Weimar Republic and promised a strong government that would work against the wealthy (as we all know, the Nazis had a big problem with the aristocracy) and *make Germany powerful again*. Naturally, *they also used scapegoats to pin on all the blames for Germany's woes*. What first comes to mind when talking about their scapegoats are the Jewish, the British, and the French. "Vote for me if you want a stronger Germany that will get back at those Jews and Frogs!" would probably be their slogan if they were honest and concise. You have to give it to those nutjobs, they knew how to win an election.

Now, compare that to good ole' Donny in the White House. Donald Trump uses scapegoats a la illegal immigrants, Muslims, and Terrorists, ran on a campaign motto of "Make America Great Again", has a hilariously nationalistic platform, and ran as a populist against the "c'rrupt librul elites in Washington." Oh, and ironically enough, both Donny and Hitler discredit(ed) news sources and critics as being biased. "Fake news", and what not.

Finally, the unexplainable boner for Russia for both men. Just one wanted to f*ck the Soviets up for being Slavic, and the other one wants better ties all the while being extremely shady about his campaign dealings with them.

I would also say this could have also applied to Thatcher 2.0- I mean, Theresa May- but she's not as much of an inexperienced nutjob as Donald Trump.

Give her time. She is showing herself to be a bigger nutjob and bitch than Thatcher herself.

Aghrabia

Andromitus wrote:Yea no, thats not me, thats actually disgusting.

And for good reason, it is far to easy to misuse it. And in (A second) response to mag's, As a pro-eugenicist, IDC that you're you :) My end goal is choice, the only "Solution" for skin tones or 'race' or whatever is giving you the ability to choose it pre and post birth. Your parents want you to have blue skin, but you now want green? Boom, Andy's got ya covered ;)

[spoiler=Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant]My end goal is a more perfect humanity, and I'm not going on the whole...controlled breeding aspect. I'm more one who would develop or replicate generally good genes, such as optimized stomach acids or better hearing, and input them in a willing person. This could be done by CRISPR or some other form of human genome manipulation but you get the point. So I'm less of a eugenicist, and more of a Eugenic Engineer...

My ideal future is one where choice, my favorite word, is in our hands; I'd want to edit out diseases with cures and vaccines, extend the human lifespan to the best of possibility; I'd give new choices such as skin tone, eye color, height, ideal memory types, or optimized bodily functions, Helll, I'd go way further with the sci-fi stuff with such brilliant ideas as the Technological Singularity; Formalize our senses, such as being able to see in the full electromagnetic spectrum, how 'bout electroreception? What if we had the ability to not just mentally communicate, but transmit understanding between each other? And I mean emotions, data, literal and direct information from the givers perspective, we'd be able to push even further, controlling the technology around you would be as simple and natural as breathing.

But at the end of the day, I want it to be the consumers fully informed choice; forcing this change on a population, or misinforming them about it, is simply wrong, sickening, and beneath the possibility eugenic engineering can provide.[/spoiler]

Even if any of this was possible, we all know this kind of genetic engineering to perfect ourselves would only be open to the wealthiest. I cant see a dustbin collector being able to perfect his genes, can you? And I doubt the companies controlling it would have their prices low enough to allow normal people to use it.

But if it became a reality, I'd make myself look like a Valyrian.

Yukona

[spoiler=Today is May 14 and today are:]

Today is May 14 and today are:

- Day of the National Emblem and Flag of Belarus (Belarus)

- Father's Day (Romania)

- Flag Day (Paraguay)

- Hastings Banda's Birthday (Malawi)

- Kamuzu Day (Malawi)

- King's Birthday (Cambodia)

- Mother's Day (several countries)

- National Buttermilk Biscuit Day (United States)

- National Dance Like a Chicken Day (United States)

- National Underground America Day (United States)

- National Unification Day (Liberia)

- 'The Stars and Stripes Forever' Day (United States)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1264 – Battle of Lewes: Henry III of England is captured and forced to sign the Mise of Lewes, making Simon de Montfort the de facto ruler of England.

- 1509 – Battle of Agnadello: In northern Italy, French forces defeat the Venetians.

- 1607 – Jamestown, Virginia is settled as an English colony.

- 1608 – The Protestant Union is founded in Auhausen.

- 1610 – Henry IV of France is assassinated, bringing Louis XIII to the throne.

- 1643 – Four-year-old Louis XIV becomes King of France upon the death of his father, Louis XIII.

- 1747 – War of the Austrian Succession: A British fleet under Admiral George Anson defeats the French at the First Battle of Cape Finisterre.

- 1787 – In Philadelphia, delegates convene a Constitutional Convention to write a new Constitution for the United States; George Washington presides.

- 1796 – Edward Jenner administers the first smallpox inoculation.

- 1804 – The Lewis and Clark Expedition departs from Camp Dubois and begins its historic journey by traveling up the Missouri River.

- 1811 – Paraguay: Pedro Juan Caballero, Fulgencio Yegros and José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia start actions to depose the Spanish governor

- 1836 – The Treaties of Velasco are signed in Velasco, Texas.

- 1863 – American Civil War: The Battle of Jackson takes place.

- 1868 – Boshin War: The Battle of Utsunomiya Castle ends as former Tokugawa shogunate forces withdraw northward to Aizu by way of Nikkō.

- 1870 – The first game of rugby in New Zealand is played in Nelson between Nelson College and the Nelson Rugby Football Club.

- 1878 – The last witchcraft trial held in the United States begins in Salem, Massachusetts, after Lucretia Brown, an adherent of Christian Science, accused Daniel Spofford of attempting to harm her through his mental powers.

- 1879 – The first group of 463 Indian indentured laborers arrives in Fiji aboard the Leonidas.

- 1889 – The children's charity, the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children is launched in London.

- 1913 – Governor of New York William Sulzer approves the charter for the Rockefeller Foundation, which begins operations with a $100 million donation from John D. Rockefeller.

- 1925 – Virginia Woolf's novel Mrs Dalloway is published.

- 1931 – Five unarmed civilians are killed in the Ådalen shootings, as the Swedish military is called in to deal with protesting workers.

- 1935 – The Philippines ratifies an independence agreement.

- 1939 – Lina Medina becomes the youngest confirmed mother in medical history at the age of five.

- 1940 – World War II: Rotterdam is bombed by the German Luftwaffe.

- 1940 – World War II: The Battle of the Netherlands ends with the Netherlands surrendering to Germany.

- 1943 – World War II: A Japanese submarine sinks AHS Centaur off the coast of Queensland.

- 1948 – Israel is declared to be an independent state and a provisional government is established. Immediately after the declaration, Israel is attacked by the neighboring Arab states, triggering the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

- 1951 – Trains run on the Talyllyn Railway in Wales for the first time since preservation, making it the first railway in the world to be operated by volunteers.

- 1955 – Cold War: Eight Communist bloc countries, including the Soviet Union, sign a mutual defense treaty called the Warsaw Pact.

- 1961 – Civil Rights Movement: The Freedom Riders bus is fire-bombed near Anniston, Alabama, and the civil rights protesters are beaten by an angry mob.

- 1970 – Andreas Baader is freed from custody by Ulrike Meinhof, Gudrun Ensslin and others, a pivotal moment in the formation of The Red Army Faction.

- 1973 – Skylab, the United States' first space station, is launched.

- 1988 – Carrollton bus collision: A drunk driver traveling the wrong way on Interstate 71 near Carrollton, Kentucky, United States hits a converted school bus carrying a church youth group. Twenty-seven die in the crash and ensuing fire.

- 2004 – The Constitutional Court of South Korea overturns the impeachment of President Roh Moo-hyun.

- 2012 – Agni Air Flight CHT crashes near Jomsom Airport in Jomsom, Nepal, after a failed go-around, killing 15 people.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1316 – Charles IV, Holy Roman Emperor

- 1727 – Thomas Gainsborough, English painter

- 1752 – Albrecht Thaer, German agronomist and author

- 1771 – Robert Owen, Welsh businessman and social reformer

- 1863 – John Charles Fields, Canadian mathematician, founder of the Fields Medal

- 1867 – Kurt Eisner, German journalist and politician, Prime Minister of Bavaria

- 1885 – Otto Klemperer, German composer and conductor

- 1922 – Franjo Tuđman, Yugoslav historian; later 1st President of Croatia

- 1923 – Adnan Pachachi, Iraqi politician, Iraqi Minister of Foreign Affairs

- 1939 – Rupert Neudeck, German journalist and humanitarian

- 1944 – George Lucas, American director, producer, and screenwriter, founded Lucasfilm

- 1952 – Robert Zemeckis, American director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1969 – Cate Blanchett, Australian actress

- 1971 – Sofia Coppola, American director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1977 – Roy Halladay, American baseball player and coach

- 1984 – Mark Zuckerberg, American computer programmer and businessman, co-founded Facebook

- 1993 – Miranda Cosgrove, American actress and singer

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Quote of the day

Fvck the Liberals.

- [nation=short]Sulania[/nation] -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, The Vidnoye, Tserra, The Cross And Davids Star, Magnatronia, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Even if any of this was possible, we all know this kind of genetic engineering to perfect ourselves would only be open to the wealthiest. I cant see a dustbin collector being able to perfect his genes, can you? And I doubt the companies controlling it would have their prices low enough to allow normal people to use it.

But if it became a reality, I'd make myself look like a Valyrian.

With these GENETECHICAL TM gene augmentations and android implants I have become the most powerful refuse collector you have ever seen! Fear me, garbage, for I will recycle even the most non-degrading item of rubbish, for I am Super Bin Man!

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Even if any of this was possible, we all know this kind of genetic engineering to perfect ourselves would only be open to the wealthiest. I cant see a dustbin collector being able to perfect his genes, can you? And I doubt the companies controlling it would have their prices low enough to allow normal people to use it.

But if it became a reality, I'd make myself look like a Valyrian.

Jeesuz christ do you guys know who you are talking to oh my actual fµck Again, did I ever say a company was going to be heading this? Alongside the general necessity for intense societal changes to occur for this to happen, I mean, people are still screaming at companies like Monsanto for allowing lettuce to grow in the cold fer crying out loud. And besides, its going to be slow, the first few sets of widespread geneering projects on a human population are going to be most likely using CRISPR/Cas 9 because its cheap, and their going to do things like wipe out cancer and other hard-to-kill diseases.

In my opinion, most likely, companies will never run geneering projects directly on humans due to the extensive legal procedures for every new product, what we need is a generally non-profit organization, one that is widespread, multinational, totally transparent, and is funded for widespread human geneering instead of "Gold Pocket Adaptation" (which is what you described. Micro timeline, It's used to wipe out most diseases apart from death (See. Monsanto Lettuce, Christianity), other initial engineering would be on infants and newborns and would most likely be a similar to the same process of vaccination, simple, easy, cheap. Later on (Decades), it will become way more widespread, and the reason I, and most likely we, want it to diversify a few decades from now, is for one simple word - "Automation".

Without a more or less major automated world backing this, what I am now coining as the "Free Science Society" will never have enough funding or widespread connectivity. Also, definite social changes brought forward by the Automation Revolution, much like the Industrial one, are necessary to all Geneering projects such personal Augmentation possible. At this stage, there would most likely be two kinds of shifts, Widespread, and Augmentative. Augmentatives, I believe, are the few genetic augmentations that have a chance to have a price tag, simply because they don't change things such as metabolic ability and memory-type, because of their utilitarian value. On the other hand, Widespread Human Evolution would be open and free to the public and would include things such as increased intelligence. That augmentation, out of all of them, I would want to be public because a naturally smart wealthy population v a naturally idiotic poor one is how we get The Time Machine and Brave New World. Sweet christ guys I've literally preached from a horse, that must be on Mars now, that I cannot stand the horrific idea of companies getting their greedy, oil soaked hands on the freaking human genome.

I'm not saying I have all the answers to this, it is literally human evolution over the course of decades instead of millennia that we are talking about, all I am saying is the hope that I have and the motions I want to happen in order for a more perfect humanity and better future. And I swear to God if a single other human being actually thinks I'm talking about companies, as a person whose NS more or less equates to their normal persona, selling human augmentations I will suppress the post and silently, but effectively, feed you to a pack of wolves because survival of the fittest.

Calofas wrote:2,861 posts Ive missed...I've been gone for a while it seems :(

Welcome back tho XD

Jaslandia

Andromitus wrote:Jeesuz christ do you guys know who you are talking to oh my actual fµck Again, did I ever say a company was going to be heading this? Alongside the general necessity for intense societal changes to occur for this to happen, I mean, people are still screaming at companies like Monsanto for allowing lettuce to grow in the cold fer crying out loud. And besides, its going to be slow, the first few sets of widespread geneering projects on a human population are going to be most likely using CRISPR/Cas 9 because its cheap, and their going to do things like wipe out cancer and other hard-to-kill diseases.

In my opinion, most likely, companies will never run geneering projects directly on humans due to the extensive legal procedures for every new product, what we need is a generally non-profit organization, one that is widespread, multinational, totally transparent, and is funded for widespread human geneering instead of "Gold Pocket Adaptation" (which is what you described. Micro timeline, It's used to wipe out most diseases apart from death (See. Monsanto Lettuce, Christianity), other initial engineering would be on infants and newborns and would most likely be a similar to the same process of vaccination, simple, easy, cheap. Later on (Decades), it will become way more widespread, and the reason I, and most likely we, want it to diversify a few decades from now, is for one simple word - "Automation".

Without a more or less major automated world backing this, what I am now coining as the "Free Science Society" will never have enough funding or widespread connectivity. Also, definite social changes brought forward by the Automation Revolution, much like the Industrial one, are necessary to all Geneering projects such personal Augmentation possible. At this stage, there would most likely be two kinds of shifts, Widespread, and Augmentative. Augmentatives, I believe, are the few genetic augmentations that have a chance to have a price tag, simply because they don't change things such as metabolic ability and memory-type, because of their utilitarian value. On the other hand, Widespread Human Evolution would be open and free to the public and would include things such as increased intelligence. That augmentation, out of all of them, I would want to be public because a naturally smart wealthy population v a naturally idiotic poor one is how we get The Time Machine and Brave New World. Sweet christ guys I've literally preached from a horse, that must be on Mars now, that I cannot stand the horrific idea of companies getting their greedy, oil soaked hands on the freaking human genome.

I'm not saying I have all the answers to this, it is literally human evolution over the course of decades instead of millennia that we are talking about, all I am saying is the hope that I have and the motions I want to happen in order for a more perfect humanity and better future. And I swear to God if a single other human being actually thinks I'm talking about companies, as a person whose NS more or less equates to their normal persona, selling human augmentations I will suppress the post and silently, but effectively, feed you to a pack of wolves because survival of the fittest.

Bruh. I have ran out of French Toast Crunch. What do I do? WHAT DO I MOTHERDUCKING DO!!!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Bruh. I have ran out of French Toast Crunch. What do I do? WHAT DO I MOTHERDUCKING DO!!!

Eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch bruh.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Eat Cinnamon Toast Crunch bruh.

Necesito más crujido de tostadas!

Tserra wrote:Necesito más crujido de tostadas!

Sólo comer canela tostada crunch hombre.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Sólo comer canela tostada crunch hombre.

¡De ninguna manera! Cinnamon Toast Crunch es para jóvenes sin barba.

Tserra wrote:¡De ninguna manera! Cinnamon Toast Crunch es para jóvenes sin barba.

Cinnamon Toast Crunch es, asi asi. Me gusta Lucky Charms y Cinnamon Life.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

Quote of the day

Fvck the Liberals.

- [nation=short]Sulania[/nation] -

Well fvck you too Sul.

Tserra wrote:Bruh. I have ran out of French Toast Crunch. What do I do? WHAT DO I MOTHERDUCKING DO!!!

You kill the batman

Jaslandia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Cinnamon Toast Crunch es, asi asi. Me gusta Lucky Charms y Cinnamon Life.

¿Por qué comencé? ¿Por qué estamos todos hablando en español?

Lucky Charms son repugnantes.

Andromitus wrote:You kill the batman

That is impossible. No one can kill Batman. Batman is immortal. Its the rules.

Jaslandia

Tserra wrote:That is impossible. No one can kill Batman. Batman is immortal. Its the rules.

And who am I but one who breaks them!

Jaslandia

Tserra wrote:That is impossible. No one can kill Batman. Batman is immortal. Its the rules.

Not really, turns out Spider-Man can beat Batman.

The United Providences Of Perland

Tserra wrote:¿Por qué comencé? ¿Por qué estamos todos hablando en español?

Lucky Charms son repugnantes.

Oui.

Je parle français mais je ne parle pas espanol.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Well fvck you too Sul.

Dude

I'm a registered democrat, worked for the Sanders Campaign, and I'm with several liberal/libertarian advocacy groups.

Dude, I don't think you got the context of the quote.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Dude

I'm a registered democrat, worked for the Sanders Campaign, and I'm with several liberal/libertarian advocacy groups.

Dude, I don't think you got the context of the quote.

Sarcasm.

Penguania And Antarctica

[nation=short]Andromitus[/nation]

That is why you do not let it become an option ;)

Similar to vaccines, questions of public health should not be decided by choice! It should be made mandatory for every child to undergo genetic editing procedures to cut out or block harmful bits of their genes. For example, it should be mandatory for carriers of HIV/AIDS to get the genes for the carrying of this virus cut.

Friedensreich wrote:[nation=short]Andromitus[/nation]

That is why you do not let it become an option ;)

Similar to vaccines, questions of public health should not be decided by choice! It should be made mandatory for every child to undergo genetic editing procedures to cut out or block harmful bits of their genes. For example, it should be mandatory for carriers of HIV/AIDS to get the genes for the carrying of this virus cut.

I agree to an extent, however I'd do it indirectly, like make universal healthcare and (if it works) a Universal Basic Income, and say if you want all that, you have to go through anti-disease editing. Now, with other things, say, for the sake of whatever, you want to colonize mars, but have to stay underground because, you know, no ecosphere. Or you're developing spacial habitats with imperfect gravity; I'd enforce colonists to go through necessary geneering to stay alive.

Andromitus wrote:I agree to an extent, however I'd do it indirectly, like make universal healthcare and (if it works) a Universal Basic Income, and say if you want all that, you have to go through anti-disease editing. Now, with other things, say, for the sake of whatever, you want to colonize mars, but have to stay underground because, you know, no ecosphere. Or you're developing spacial habitats with imperfect gravity; I'd enforce colonists to go through necessary geneering to stay alive.

They will have to go through the procedures or their children cannot go to school and their health insurance cut. It has to be a no-brainer between the choice of getting their genes edited and basically being incapable to function.

Or, just outright imprisonment for the endangerment of the public health of the nation. In a nation that should have universal healthcare by the time gene editing becomes widespread, it should be of little to no expense.

Friedensreich wrote:They will have to go through the procedures or their children cannot go to school and their health insurance cut. It has to be a no-brainer between the choice of getting their genes edited and basically being incapable to function.

Or, just outright imprisonment for the endangerment of the public health of the nation. In a nation that should have universal healthcare by the time gene editing becomes widespread, it should be of little to no expense.

But no tho, Enforcing genetic changes on a populalation is just as immoral as putting monetary value on it. There has to be at least a minor choice involved in the matter.

Andromitus wrote:But no tho, Enforcing genetic changes on a populalation is just as immoral as putting monetary value on it. There has to be at least a minor choice involved in the matter.

Yeah, the moment you stsrt forcing that stuff is probably the moment your libertarians grab their guns and start revolting.

Jaslandia

Unless you just dont give people guns in the first place .

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:But no tho, Enforcing genetic changes on a populalation is just as immoral as putting monetary value on it. There has to be at least a minor choice involved in the matter.

We must have different morals. I'd rather have fewer people die from HIV/AIDS by forcing everyone to get the virus edited out of their DNA as opposed to not.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Unless you just dont give people guns in the first place .

Except completely removing things from your populace is impossible for a number of reasons.

Besides, if they didn't want one before...

Jaslandia

Yuck, the President for my university quoted Winston Churchill in his commencement speech.

I mean, whose leg do I have to hump to get a quote from Marx or Lenin around here?

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:We must have different morals. I'd rather have fewer people die from HIV/AIDS by forcing everyone to get the virus edited out of their DNA as opposed to not.

AMEN! and thats why i have the FAHE (Federal Agency for Health Enforcement)

There like the Police but instead of Search Warrents and Drug Raids its Health Inspections and Forced Vaccinations .

Kalaron wrote:Except completely removing things from your populace is impossible for a number of reasons.

Besides, if they didn't want one before...

yea there not all gone, but the numbers are so low to where the Police and Army can EASILY Step on anything that arises on the Through.

Friedensreich wrote:Yuck, the President for my university quoted Winston Churchill in his commencement speech.

I mean, whose leg do I have to hump to get a quote from Marx or Lenin around here?

I mean, if you're in America, I'm not totally surprised. You could give them gifts of the monetary kind...

Russian Fedration wrote:AMEN! and thats why i have the FAHE (Federal Agency for Health Enforcement)

There like the Police but instead of Search Warrents and Drug Raids its Health Inspections and Forced Vaccinations .

yea there not all gone, but the numbers are so low to where the Police and Army can EASILY Step on anything that arises on the Through.

Not in America. People will hide their guns and revolt. Maybe in other countries, but banning guns in the US would lead to a collapse of the government delivered via bullet.

Baxten wrote:I mean, if you're in America, I'm not totally surprised. You could give them gifts of the monetary kind...

It's also Indiana, which is a breeding ground for libs.

And I'm definitely not going to bribe the president of IU, because then he'll have me dismissed for sure!

Baxten wrote:Not in America. People will hide their guns and revolt. Maybe in other countries, but banning guns in the US would lead to a collapse of the government delivered via bullet.

witch is why i hate the Average interpretation of the second Amendment. and good thing im never gonna RP as america :)

Friedensreich wrote:Yuck, the President for my university quoted Winston Churchill in his commencement speech.

I mean, whose leg do I have to hump to get a quote from Marx or Lenin around here?

Ew Lenin

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