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Yeah, just keep calling me selfish because you don't have any arguments. It looks stupid to be honest
Yeah just keep equating paying taxes on services you use, and have admitted to using as rape.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
You are really childish
Mk. Does that mean the police should consent to protect each person on a person to person basis?
EVERYBODY wants no taxes. It's not about what you WANT, it's about what actually works and is reasonable. Facts don't care about what you want in life.
Privatize emergency services? Why? There wouldn't be any room for competition and you're incentivizing someone's life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iceland
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
INB4 Reborn Soviet Union drops a 1,000 pound bomb into a house sized plot so as to claim land in the middle of the nation. :P
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
You clearly don't know him then.....
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
What did I say before? No insults. Same goes for the rest of you. Keep ad hominem attacks outta this.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Kalaron, The United Providences Of Perland
Yes I am. Thanks for noticing.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
In that case, we should stop giving mandatory vaccinations. After all, many people are terrified of needles and don't want to be vaccinated. So we should allow disease epidemics because giving vaccinations to people who don't want them is wrong.
Sometimes the pill is bitter but we take it because it makes us feel better. We do a lot of things in life that do not seem fair but are ultimately for our own good. Life is not fair. I thought you of all people could accept that, being a conservative after all.
Difference between sex and rape: Consent. Difference between assault and boxing: Consent. Difference between stealing and sharing: Consent.
I used to think Perland and Percyton were the same country
Jaslandia, Percyton
I will say what I want you dirty Johnny American plebeian!
/s
Jaslandia
Are you calling 4 patrol vessels a military?
Does it got some guns?
Lol, and you don't look stupid comparing taxation to rape, racism and slavery.
If you want to see stupid, look in a mirror.
And yes, you are selfish. Just admit that you are. Stop jumping through these mental gymnastics to justify your position. It'll make us all tired, including you.
The United Providences Of Perland
Difference between paying for services you use, and not paying for services you use: Theft.
Nuremgard, Auxorii
LOL
Jaslandia, Percyton
Criminal scum
Friedensreich
Yes? Since when does size qualify what a military is?
Are you saying there should be no militaries? The U.S shouldn't have a military? Mate, you're idealistic.
Jaslandia
We should actually. Mandatory vaccinations are disgusting
Yes, you have just now confirmed that you are a stupid person.
That's not really taxes, no is it? That's charity, and as it is, charity has a tough time getting funding. I would not want to live in a country governed solely by charity.
How come? Both start with 'P'?
Percyton
I am taking from other persons when I use public services, yes. But that is because I am FORCED to use them? How brain-dead can you be?
Nurem, Iceland, cut it out. Seriously.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police
Please don't. Even if his belief is literally the cancer that kills children, please don't.
Jaslandia
It's not a social issue, it's an issue of national health. Now this is an area I know quite a bit about!
Jaslandia
I win.
Am I talking to a wall??
Jaslandia
I have devoted my whole life to helping other people. I spend a lot of money on charities and I am a scout, where I help people every day
I wonder what living in a society of huts, while having Polio and and other fun stuff systematically killing everyone you know and love feels like?
The Per- threw me off XD
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton
Are you saying the only way to fund it is through taxes? If you want a military just pay for it
The United Providences Of Perland
Just go to Sub-Saharan Africa. He'll know what it's like with a society that doesn't have mandatory vaccinations.
The United Providences Of Perland
Am I meant to give you a medal or something? Is that supposed to make you a superior person? You give to charity so the government should treat you special and not tax you?
Don't be a snowflake.
With what money
Jaslandia
Discord debate on vista amendment today at 4:30 est
The United Providences Of Perland
Guys, I gotta go do medical stuff for a little while, so don't insult each other until I get back. Or else I'll call your parents.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Kalaron, The United Providences Of Perland
Republic City Police, can you help me out?
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, The United Providences Of Perland
No? But you did call me selfish. And, I don't want special treatment, NO ONE should be forced to send their income to the government
The United Providences Of Perland
Those of you who want a military can pay for it
That's how you pay for it...
Jaslandia
By that logic, I shouldn't be forced to help you if you're dying in the street, or the paramedics that I'd call shouldn't be regulated to have to transport you, or the doctors shouldn't be forced to save your life.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
With what money
Jaslandia
What?
OK.
You just got demoted from M60A3 Tier.
You're looking at Armoured Car with TOW on it levels of dirt poor funding.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
We do pay for it. Through taxes. So either we have an under-funded military that protects people who don't pay (which would be a lot of people), or we have a system where the military has to check your payment status before they decide to protect you. Both systems are inefficient, and the last one is downright immoral.
Auxorii, Kalaron
Of course you shouldn't be forced to help me, nor should the doctors or paramedics
If one can even afford a fecking QBZ.....
Gladly. I'll keep an eye on things while you're away.
Jaslandia, Percyton
Gosh, you're a modern day Lincoln. Championing so valiantly for the oppressed.
I'm not very keen on the phrase but what we have right here is the epitome of first world problems.
If all you worry about in life is how much tax you are paying then your life must be a very easy one.
Jaslandia
Through taxes. If it was voluntary nobody would pay them.
?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Yes? That's better than forcing people that don't want a military to pay for it
Fried's right.
Even cheap Chinese trash is out of your pay-range [:P]
You're like a more poor and worse version of the crap-tier minutemen.
Jaslandia, Friedensreich
So you'd go to the extent of death, because you don't think people should be required to do something :l
If nobody would pay them then why should they be forced to? I thought you believed in democracy?
This is a textbook case of someone that does not understand that money corrupts people and is the root of all evil.
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland
And if you are a good person like all you socialists claim to be you would help people even if you weren't forced to right?
The United Providences Of Perland
I like the QBZ line tbh, but yeah, most irl Chinese schtuff is cheaply made crap.
I used to be poor you know, and that was the time when I became a libertarian
So, your argument is "Screw efficiency, common sense, and all form of morality and common decency! MUH TAXES ARE RAPING ME!!!!!!!" I'm sorry, but it's hard to take you seriously when you say stuff like that.
Also, I think we all want a military, because we all like not dying. Whether we are willing or able to pay for it is another thing. Still, I admire how candid you are in your desire to disregard poor people.
The United Providences Of Perland
I hereby
1)Request to be deleted from all the Records of the Union Party
2) Announce the formation of the Centrist and Libetrarian Party
==>https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=860519
3)Announe that I will run for my office again
So your attitude is, "I'm alright, Jack, f*ck everyone else."
Typical conservative.
Unless they were a pedo, murder, etc. sure. If I had no knowledge of those things, or knew for certain you weren't them, I probably would. But not everyone happens to be me, do they? And I'm a moderate lol. You wanna see real socialism, talk to my bud Solla
Taxes are immoral. Stop playing dumb
I just told you I have devoted my life to helping other people? All I heard you was doing is going to a university that poor people pay for and get a fancy degree
The problem with morals is that I couldn't give one damn about yours lol, I give one about mine. Morality, in the sense you're talking about, is too subjective to base public policy off of solely.
Someone say my name? While Perland is a very nice guy, I can confirm me and him are separate living beings (I can't really say 'people' since I'm a steam engine).
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
I am poor. I am able to go to uni because of taxation.
F*cking tosser. If you had your way in my country, I wouldn't be able to go to uni. Stop pretending to be on the side of the poor.
The United Providences Of Perland
Yeah come to Holloway mate it will b v fun nice time and lol Dullham nice one mate copped a f*cking bonger
Exactly! Libertarians think we should leave morals out of politics entirely. So if you think paying taxes is moral, do it. But I don't which is why I am fighting so that I don't have to
Actually, I would, I would in all seriousness build up a billion dollar industry and use as much of my funds as possible to develop public housing, sustenance, and connectivity and continue to do so; I would live in a shack if it meant that others could thrive. I would, in all seriousness, give up Billions if it meant that people didn't have to scrounge on the floors of the other rich to make ends meet. So don't you start on the "Oh you wouldn't actually do it if you weren't forced to" rhetoric.
More immoral than leaving people to die and fend for themselves? I think your standards of morality are very different from mine. I know if I was a judge, "making people pay a little bit of money" would be ranked quite lower than "depriving people of basic protection and consideration due to lack of payment" in terms of immorality.
Damn I don't think I've seen a finer flag for a political party
I used to be poor and we didn't get to where we are today by whining and blaming rich people, so you might as well stop it as well because you are not going to get anywhere by doing it
Except when it comes to abortion because it suits you to have that particular moral debate sway in your favour. Everything else though, leave morality out of politics.
You hypocrite.
The United Providences Of Perland
Paying taxes is logical, hence why I support it. I try to support logicality to the best of my ability. And with morals, it comes down to "would the majority of the human population share this moral;" i.e. murdering people is bad.
Jaslandia
No. I am going to get somewhere in life because I am able to attend university without crushing debt.
Maybe you ought to stop blaming the government for all your woes like a damn child.
Leaving people to die is not the same as killing people. You are not killing someone by [B]not[/B] doing something
I don't know, I mean, I thought you believed in the right to life
Awesome, I come from a poor background too, and am reliant on the government for my basic means of living. Even my tuition, rent, and grocery money.
My ma is on disability, WIC, and SNAP, and irks my nerves when right wing pundits say "peepul on welfare don't work", "taxes are wrong", and the like.
I don't think right wing people like that understand that we got to this point because we like having people not going hungry or being homeless, and pulling these back will be disastrous and have huge ramifications in the long run.
Do you believe we can trust companies of people to put our interests on their list of priorities?
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Intentionally disregarding a person in distress, knowing they will likely die, is just as bad as stabbing them.
Jaslandia
Well he stopped being poor so you and your ma must be lazy lol.
Seriously, that is the mentality of people like him.
I don't have any woes, my life is wonderful. Me and my family worked hard to get to where we are today and that shouldn't go to the government. Wait, what is is called when the fruits of your labour goes to someone else without your consent?
I never mentioned killing people. Leaving people to die is still more immoral than taxation, in the opinion of myself and probably most people. And if you want to be technical, if you see someone in deathly need, have all the means to help them, you understand their dire need, and yet choose not to help them, then I would consider that to be the exact same thing as killing them.
I used to lvie on food stamps, WIC, etc. as well, and my mom was a drug addict, so I also understand being poor, quite well. So yeah, I have an appreciation for helping people who are in the same situation with my tax money.
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So, why don't you do like people talked about earlier and went to a commune with others of your kind so those that are ok with taxes (vast majority of people) can live like they please?
Nuremgard
Again, your "I'm alright, Jack" attitude. Do you give so much to charity and lead the scouts to ease your conscience? Does it make you feel better for being an inherently selfish arsehole?
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
Yes, your got to where you are by stealing from richer people, yes
He has to save all those tax-loving people from their Stockholm Syndrome. He is on a moral crusade.
I think it's called negative action
Because we would still have to pay taxes? Use your brain please
The United Providences Of Perland
'Think'? The uncertainty of that statement isn't helping your argument. Not that your argument would be very convincing anyway.
New Poll: What's your favourite Warsaw Pact country?
Jaslandia, Vista Major
I do it to help other people? You keep crying about how poor you are
That's over the line alright. Cut it out, Nurem!
Jaslandia
Mmk that's not true at all, because one I graduate and can have a well paying career, I'm paying back not only the money I was directly given by the government, but also any taxes I used to get there.
And don't tell me "oh the rich are deprived", they used public services just like everyone else does.
Nuremgard
I'm not good at English and I wasn't sure what the term is called?
Yay!! 1,500 + RMB pages. :)
Jaslandia
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