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Spanelsko wrote:Thank you for caring for our nation, but i expected CONCORD to come and kill us when we started our insanity :)

Thank you for working alongside the Concord Phoenix National Rebirth Program; We thank you for your cooperation and continued business, and have a nice day.

Andromitus wrote:Thank you for working alongside the Concord Phoenix National Rebirth Program; We thank you for your cooperation and continued business, and have a nice day.

Have a nice day sir

Andromitus wrote:Anarcho-Commune that had your spot before you

Excuse me

Now that's pretty goddamn omnious

Spanelsko wrote:Thank you for caring for our nation, but i expected CONCORD to come and kill us when we started our insanity :)

Don't get me wrong, your regime totally needs overthrown, violently and quickly, without question...

I just believe it can be done with a softer touch... More precise, direct and clandestine...

Just my thoughts.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Don't get me wrong, your regime totally needs overthrown, violently and quickly, without question...

I just believe it can be done with a softer touch... More precise, direct and clandestine...

Just my thoughts.

Spanelsko wrote:Have a nice day sir

Watch out, Span. WPF might be sending in spies to topple your regime.

Jaslandia

Lol, not really what we do, overseas intervention is out of our scope of influence...

But if someone else wanted to say hire an arms dealer to ship explosives to his nation concealed in rubber shipments bound for shoe factories and then put those explosives in the hands of black operatives who would car bomb the families of high ranking military officials, seeding chaos and mistrust and causing panic among the ruling class...

Well... Who would I be to stop them?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Spanelsko

Update on PLRK Government:

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32681627#p32681627

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Lol, not really what we do, overseas intervention is out of our scope of influence...

But if someone else wanted to say hire an arms dealer to ship explosives to his nation concealed in rubber shipments bound for shoe factories and then put those explosives in the hands of black operatives who would car bomb the families of high ranking military officials, seeding chaos and mistrust and causing panic among the ruling class...

Well... Who would I be to stop them?

You are now on Tangshan and New Salvatore's watch lists.

Jaslandia, The Wyoming Peoples Front

Nuremgard wrote:Watch out, Span. WPF might be sending in spies to topple your regime.

NP, we are prepared, we even execute our own spies or government officials if they do a single thing that isnt seen as trustworthy.

Our own palace we have is a huge fortress with 5000 guards in all tunnels, buildings and a small area around it. Execution for passing into the area is also normal, fence, watchtowers and walls are normal all around this area which my guards protect. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE MY LIFE YOU TERRORISTS OF CONCORD OR WPF!

Nuremgard

Also congratulation Tangshan on becoming monarchy again.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:NP, we are prepared, we even execute our own spies or government officials if they do a single thing that isnt seen as trustworthy.

Our own palace we have is a huge fortress with 5000 guards in all tunnels, buildings and a small area around it. Execution for passing into the area is also normal, fence, watchtowers and walls are normal all around this area which my guards protect. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE MY LIFE YOU TERRORISTS OF CONCORD OR WPF!

Spanelsko wrote:Also congratulation Tangshan on becoming monarchy again.

Thanks. The Emperor in Tangshan also stays in a large, heavily guarded fortress called the Forbidden City.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Thanks. The Emperor in Tangshan also stays in a large, heavily guarded fortress called the Forbidden City.

May he live for a long time, and may his reign last forever in the minds of your people, unless of course he would be immortal, in that case may his reign last forever and may his enemies die in a painful way.

Also i know that Tangshan probably knows better ways to defend its leader then us but i would advice to increase the defences.

I know that for sure i will increase my guards by another 10.000 with how many nations and people are out there looking for a way to end my life.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Spanelsko wrote:May he live for a long time, and may his reign last forever in the minds of your people, unless of course he would be immortal, in that case may his reign last forever and may his enemies die in a painful way.

Also i know that Tangshan probably knows better ways to defend its leader then us but i would advice to increase the defences.

I know that for sure i will increase my guards by another 10.000 with how many nations and people are out there looking for a way to end my life.

Defence is one of the biggest expenditures for the Tang government. Don't worry.

Jaslandia

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

I, Confederal States, Minnesota Dakota, and Vista Major have established a North American Alliance

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32674819#p32674819

I would like to invite South Hyder and The Royal Republic Of Kumania to join as well!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, Confederal States

Cesorion wrote:IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

I, Confederal States, Minnesota Dakota, and Vista Major have established a North American Alliance

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32674819#p32674819

I would like to invite South Hyder and The Royal Republic Of Kumania to join as well!

sure

Vista Major

Cesorion wrote:IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

I, Confederal States, Minnesota Dakota, and Vista Major have established a North American Alliance

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32674819#p32674819

I would like to invite South Hyder and The Royal Republic Of Kumania to join as well!

Ya ignorin' Boise X and The Wyoming Peoples Front YOU MONSTERS

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Andromitus wrote:Ya ignorin' Boise X and The Wyoming Peoples Front YOU MONSTERS

I suppose I did not notice them on the map. Surely they can join!

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Andromitus wrote:Obviously I'm talking about investments, setting up proxy-independent Syndicates en-situ; and the burden's not so big when its shared between 6 or 7 nations (⌐▀ ̯ʖ▀)

Just saying, I hope you realize that it’s going to cost billions and a return on investment won’t come until you’ve already sunk in a lot of it. Personally, it’s always best to leave them be. You have no obligation to help those in other nations rebuild or democratize, and as we’ve seen by recent history, occupations tend to.... backfire, to put it nicely.

Nuremgard, Peoples Liberation Republic

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Just saying, I hope you realize that it’s going to cost billions and a return on investment won’t come until you’ve already sunk in a lot of it. Personally, it’s always best to leave them be. You have no obligation to help those in other nations rebuild or democratize, and as we’ve seen by recent history, occupations tend to.... backfire, to put it nicely.

Some Socialist you are :P

Nuremgard

Andromitus wrote:Some Socialist you are :P

It’s called being a nationalist and an isolationist you mong :PP

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Just saying, I hope you realize that it’s going to cost billions and a return on investment won’t come until you’ve already sunk in a lot of it. Personally, it’s always best to leave them be. You have no obligation to help those in other nations rebuild or democratize, and as we’ve seen by recent history, occupations tend to.... backfire, to put it nicely.

So much for the supposed internationalism of socialism! :P

Talkative Friedensriech

Nuremgard wrote:So much for the supposed internationalism of socialism! :P

That went the way of the dodo once Lenin and Mao came to existence!

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:That went the way of the dodo once Lenin and Mao came to existence!

Well you're a nationalist and isolationist. You're already half way to becoming fascist. New Salvatore urges you to take that final step!

Axeldonia, Andromitus, Talkative Friedensriech, Spanelsko

Cesorion wrote:I suppose I did not notice them on the map. Surely they can join!

Now, tell me a little about CANAAN; is it just a military alliance, or does it include Economic elements?

Cesorion wrote:I suppose I did not notice them on the map. Surely they can join!

Thanks but no thanks I will gladly trade with other nation's in North America but my people stopped any union with a fed more than a decade ago.

Nuremgard wrote:Well you're a nationalist and isolationist. You're already half way to becoming fascist. New Salvatore urges you to take that final step!

Nah, fascists are the exact opposite of isolationists. I’m just a.... nationalist socialist.

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Nah, fascists are the exact opposite of isolationists. I’m just a.... nationalist socialist.

Fascism is all about putting your country first (supposedly) so isolationism actually makes sense.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Fascism is all about putting your country first (supposedly) so isolationism actually makes sense.

It depends on which context you’re taking that from.

The citizens are expected to put the needs of the nation above their own (collectivism), but the same doesn’t apply to the government itself.

Nuremgard

Andromitus wrote:Now, tell me a little about CANAAN; is it just a military alliance, or does it include Economic elements?

Both.

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Thanks but no thanks I will gladly trade with other nation's in North America but my people stopped any union with a fed more than a decade ago.

Nice

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:It depends on which context you’re taking that from.

The citizens are expected to put the needs of the nation above their own (collectivism), but the same doesn’t apply to the government itself.

Well the role of the government is supposed to be advancing the interests of the nation. In New Salvatore, the government is isolationist because it sees its priority to its citizens as being paramount, instead of projecting its own power in the world.

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:It depends on which context you’re taking that from.

The citizens are expected to put the needs of the nation above their own (collectivism), but the same doesn’t apply to the government itself.

Gross.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Well the role of the government is supposed to be advancing the interests of the nation. In New Salvatore, the government is isolationist because it sees its priority to its citizens as being paramount, instead of projecting its own power in the world.

That’s what differs it from most fascists. A fascist sees the people as incapable of doing things on their own, so it falls to a well educated elite (government) to tell them what to do.

“You’re dumb and don’t know what you want, so i will tell you what you want, which is actually what i want”, basically.

The elite don’t actually have any interest in the welfare of the citizenry as long as it doesn’t threaten their grip on power. Until they are forced to help the citizens, they won’t.

Which is why most fascists tend to be more imperialistic, but that dabbles in government manipulation of its citizens’ emotions, which gets Orwellian really quick.

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:That’s what differs it from most fascists. A fascist sees the people as incapable of doing things on their own, so it falls to a well educated elite (government) to tell them what to do.

“You’re dumb and don’t know what you want, so i will tell you what you want, which is actually what i want”, basically.

The elite don’t actually have any interest in the welfare of the citizenry as long as it doesn’t threaten their grip on power. Until they are forced to help the citizens, they won’t.

Which is why most fascists tend to be more imperialistic, but that dabbles in government manipulation of its citizens’ emotions, which gets Orwellian really quick.

Well Salvatorian fascists are definitely elitist. They have a one-party state and work with corporations. But they do implement some leftist policies (like universal healthcare and a welfare state) to bolster support from the working class.

Spanelsko wrote:NP, we are prepared, we even execute our own spies or government officials if they do a single thing that isnt seen as trustworthy.

Our own palace we have is a huge fortress with 5000 guards in all tunnels, buildings and a small area around it. Execution for passing into the area is also normal, fence, watchtowers and walls are normal all around this area which my guards protect. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE MY LIFE YOU TERRORISTS OF CONCORD OR WPF!

The WPF and the Government of the Republic of Wyoming in no way advocate any sort of terrorist action in your nation, we were merely proposing a hypothetical situation which could occur in the absence of a more structured war scenario.

It is a very nice psychotic oligarchy you have and we would feel it a direct shame if someone were to carbomb your ruling class while they were visiting their country homes...

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Tserra, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Well Salvatorian fascists are definitely elitist. They have a one-party state and work with corporations. But they do implement some leftist policies (like universal healthcare and a welfare state) to bolster support from the working class.

From the standpoint of a dictator, that is incredibly risky.

Your biggest enemy is literacy, health, and education. You want your people to be as dumb and unhealthy as possible.

It’s generally better to be hyper imperialist. You can have an easy target and tap into basic human emotions like fear and anger, while playing yourself off as a “protector”.

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:From the standpoint of a dictator, that is incredibly risky.

Your biggest enemy is literacy, health, and education. You want your people to be as dumb and unhealthy as possible.

It’s generally better to be hyper imperialist. You can have an easy target and tap into basic human emotions like fear and anger, while playing yourself off as a “protector”.

Actually, keeping the population healthy ensures they can work longer and be more productive for the state. Furthermore, the state and church have monopolies over the education system so the ideology is drilled into kids from a young age to stifle critical thinking.

Spanelsko

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:The WPF and the Government of the Republic of Wyoming in no way advocate any sort of terrorist action in your nation, we were merely proposing a hypothetical situation which could occur in the absence of a more structured war scenario.

It is a very nice psychotic oligarchy you have and we would feel it a direct shame if someone were to carbomb your ruling class while they were visiting their country homes...

lol I love this guy. Can we be friends? Actually it does not matter, I hereby unilaterally declare we are friends.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, The Wyoming Peoples Front

Nuremgard wrote:Actually, keeping the population healthy ensures they can work longer and be more productive for the state. Furthermore, the state and church have monopolies over the education system so the ideology is drilled into kids from a young age to stifle critical thinking.

Health is a two edged sword. Longer lifespans mean that you have more elderly, whose productivity to the state are marginal, if any at all. In some cases, they become a leech on your productivity because of their increased need for healthcare and attention.

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Health is a two edged sword. Longer lifespans mean that you have more elderly, whose productivity to the state are marginal, if any at all. In some cases, they become a leech on your productivity because of their increased need for healthcare and attention.

True but the elderly are big supports of the fascist regime because it takes such good care of them.

Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:True but the elderly are big supports of the fascist regime because it takes such good care of them.

´´Propaganda intensifies´´

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:True but the elderly are big supports of the fascist regime because it takes such good care of them.

Actually, the source of support you want is youth, because the elderly don’t matter anymore. They’re the ones that are going to be working and fighting, not the elderly.

Plus, their impressionable minds means that they are also easily malleable. If you catch them at a young age, they can be lifelong supporters of the regime, which becomes much more useful in the long run.

Long story short, elderly are expendable leeches. The youth are more important and they’re more easy to control.

Nuremgard, Spanelsko

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Actually, the source of support you want is youth, because the elderly don’t matter anymore. They’re the ones that are going to be working and fighting, not the elderly.

Plus, their impressionable minds means that they are also easily malleable. If you catch them at a young age, they can be lifelong supporters of the regime, which becomes much more useful in the long run.

Long story short, elderly are expendable leeches. The youth are more important and they’re more easy to control.

That's why the youth get free education right up to uni level so they become heavily indoctrinated. They also do compulsory military service, are made to join the national scouts and are given incentives to marry and have kids.

Talkative Friedensriech, Spanelsko

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:The WPF and the Government of the Republic of Wyoming in no way advocate any sort of terrorist action in your nation, we were merely proposing a hypothetical situation which could occur in the absence of a more structured war scenario.

It is a very nice psychotic oligarchy you have and we would feel it a direct shame if someone were to carbomb your ruling class while they were visiting their country homes...

Oh then its fine........ (prepare terrorist attack on their leadership and family just in case ok my special forces? yes sir)

Would you like to with your family or alone come to our nation on a visit? we will gladly welcome you here and treat you as a special case. (if they agree poison food and water he gets, or shot him in the head and blame insurgents)

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:That's why the youth get free education right up to uni level so they become heavily indoctrinated. They also do compulsory military service, are made to join the national scouts and are given incentives to marry and have kids.

So, why bother with the elderly if the youth are indoctrinated? You already have a huge amount of support.

You have to remember that you also have people within government that you have to keep happy with financial rewards. If you’re giving a lot of money to the people (which at this point having a good healthcare system is frivolous at best), you’re taking away money that could be given to your policemen, the military, the church, etc..

That is something you do NOT want, because ambitious rivals could capitalize on that and sway them to their favor instead of yours.

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:So, why bother with the elderly if the youth are indoctrinated? You already have a huge amount of support.

You have to remember that you also have people within government that you have to keep happy with financial rewards. If you’re giving a lot of money to the people (which at this point having a good healthcare system is frivolous at best), you’re taking away money that could be given to your policemen, the military, the church, etc..

That is something you do NOT want, because ambitious rivals could capitalize on that and sway them to their favor instead of yours.

You may call it naive but the reason why the elderly are cared for is ideological. They are seen as good citizens who have worked all their lives for the good of the state. So in return, the state serves them by looking after them in their dotage.

I know it's not very realistic. You make valid points in your post above. But it's because I wanted a kind of social contract fascism.

Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:You may call it naive but the reason why the elderly are cared for is ideological. They are seen as good citizens who have worked all their lives for the good of the state. So in return, the state serves them by looking after them in their dotage.

I know it's not very realistic. You make valid points in your post above. But it's because I wanted a kind of social contract fascism.

It’s gucci, I just used to be a hardcore fascist (had an unexplainable boner for Mussolini despite him hating people like me) and like to show off my cycnicism :P

If you want a sort of humane dictatorship, I used to really like the idea of enlightened despotism. It came from the Enlightenment, and allowed for freedom of speech and private property.

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:It’s gucci, I just used to be a hardcore fascist (had an unexplainable boner for Mussolini despite him hating people like me) and like to show off my cycnicism :P

If you want a sort of humane dictatorship, I used to really like the idea of enlightened despotism. It came from the Enlightenment, and allowed for freedom of speech and private property.

True. I like enlightened despotism too. But I have two monarchies already. And I like the idea of having a fascist republic. I did consider having a monarchy in New Salvatore but decided against it.

now that i think about it, what is anarcho-commune? i mean i get the idea BUT how could that even work? anarchism= no government and extreme freedom commune= communist= oppression, no freedom, ban on religion etc.

Possibly its just me that is confused and the weird thing actually makes sense so correct me if i am wrong.

Nuremgard

Spanelsko wrote:Oh then its fine........ (prepare terrorist attack on their leadership and family just in case ok my special forces? yes sir)

Would you like to with your family or alone come to our nation on a visit? we will gladly welcome you here and treat you as a special case. (if they agree poison food and water he gets, or shot him in the head and blame insurgents)

Thank you but no. President Crawford rarely visits foriegn nations and certainly never half way around the globe.

As to the matter of family, sadly, Mrs. Crawford took her own life and the lives of their daughters a number of years ago, during the early years of madness which followed the collapse of the government and before the formation of the WPF.

Those were troubled times indeed.

However if you would like to send an ambassador, President Crawford (he prefers Bill) would gladly take him or her on a Sunday Buffalo hunt, escorted by WPF Rangers of course, where they could discuss privately matters such as coal and copper sales, and perhaps even get in some shooting sports on his private range.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton, Spanelsko

Spanelsko wrote:now that i think about it, what is anarcho-commune? i mean i get the idea BUT how could that even work? anarchism= no government and extreme freedom commune= communist= oppression, no freedom, ban on religion etc.

Possibly its just me that is confused and the weird thing actually makes sense so correct me if i am wrong.

You’re mistaken.

Anarchy = lack of state (different from government)

Communism = everyone controls the means of producing goods (workshops, factories, etc)

Nuremgard

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Thank you but no. President Crawford rarely visits foriegn nations and certainly never half way around the globe.

As to the matter of family, sadly, Mrs. Crawford took her own life and the lives of their daughters a number of years ago, during the early years of madness which followed the collapse of the government and before the formation of the WPF.

Those were troubled times indeed.

However if you would like to send an ambassador, President Crawford (he prefers Bill) would gladly take him or her on a Sunday Buffalo hunt, escorted by WPF Rangers of course, where they could discuss privately matters such as coal and copper sales, and perhaps even get in some shooting sports on his private range.

Then if its ok with your government we will send one of our guys tomorrow, unless his plane gets shot down by the peace keeping force (because shooting down civilian plane makes sense) should he take his own rifle for the hunt or will he be given one?

Also i am sorry i didnt know about that.

(meanwhile in a secret room..... so his wife took her life and killed her own children? hmmm.... and i wanted to torture them myself.....)

Nuremgard

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:You’re mistaken.

Anarchy = lack of state (different from government)

Communism = everyone controls the means of producing goods (workshops, factories, etc)

Thats what i meant with the extreme freedom.

Communism are you sure? (i know marx ideology is used here but this part is meant as a joke) because comrades Mao, Stalin etc. would probably not agree with that.

Also if i am not mistaken i am the only ´´empire´´ that commits genocide in our RP world, am i also the only one that does that in the whole confederacy?

Spanelsko wrote:Then if its ok with your government we will send one of our guys tomorrow, unless his plane gets shot down by the peace keeping force (because shooting down civilian plane makes sense) should he take his own rifle for the hunt or will he be given one?

Also i am sorry i didnt know about that.

(meanwhile in a secret room..... so his wife took her life and killed her own children? hmmm.... and i wanted to torture them myself.....)

The WPF Rangers will gladly provide your man with a hunting rifle, sadly, there are no international airports in Wyoming, so you will have to make arrangements with one of our neighboring nation's to fly there, we will gladly send a bush pilot to pick your man up and fly him to either Jackson Hole or Sweet Water where a WPF troop transport can pick him up for the drive to F.E. Warren to meet the President.

Percyton

Also, you may want to inform your man that he ought to pack some hiking boots and plenty of socks...

Spanelsko

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Also, you may want to inform your man that he ought to pack some hiking boots and plenty of socks...

Ok that wont be a problem, also i had a crazy idea, why would we need to bother nations around your nation? i mean what we could do is fly to the border of Wyoming and do a crash landing while the pilot/ambassador would jump out before he would die with a parachute.

He will possibly die if he fails.....

But in case that the whole suicide plane crash would not be possible we can ask others.

Spanelsko wrote:But in case that the whole suicide plane crash would not be possible we can ask others.

Well what can i say? it this doesnt say insane i dont know what.

https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general/page=display_region_rmb?postid=27619271#p27619271

Spoopy! Keep your eyes peeled for a news update in a few minutes!

Jaslandia, Percyton

Talkative Friedensriech wrote:Who dis?

It is me,Carpaya!

Percyton

Spanelsko wrote:now that i think about it, what is anarcho-commune? i mean i get the idea BUT how could that even work? anarchism= no government and extreme freedom commune= communist= oppression, no freedom, ban on religion etc.

Possibly its just me that is confused and the weird thing actually makes sense so correct me if i am wrong.

Spanelsko wrote:Thats what i meant with the extreme freedom.

Communism are you sure? (i know marx ideology is used here but this part is meant as a joke) because comrades Mao, Stalin etc. would probably not agree with that.

Stalin hijacked the Soviet movement in the Russian SFSR, I actually have done no research on Mao so I won't comment; But the entire point of Communism is to empower the working class and ergo the majority of the population. Stalin preached for something called "Socialism in one country", essentially, everyone hates us, so why try to expand? We should maintain what we already have; and what did they have? Stalin. (I.e, keep me in power)

Anarcho-Communism is supposed to function as such; Instead of simply a federal revolution, it would also be a sociocultural one; the federal government is steadily dissolved and or transferred into a Social-Democratic Economy, a decentralized socialist economic system where the workers have complete control of the economy, and societal implementations are put in place, such as communal living. The End goal is to form a money-less Industrio-Agrarian society where however hard you work is equatable to how much you receive.

Axeldonia

Spook 2: Your sister is a werewolf

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32683034#p32683034

Percyton

Spanelsko wrote:Ok that wont be a problem, also i had a crazy idea, why would we need to bother nations around your nation? i mean what we could do is fly to the border of Wyoming and do a crash landing while the pilot/ambassador would jump out before he would die with a parachute.

He will possibly die if he fails.....

I am afraid that this plan would draw unwanted attention to the visit.

Please get back with me once you have made... More conventional travel arrangements.

Andromitus wrote:Stalin hijacked the Soviet movement in the Russian SFSR, I actually have done no research on Mao so I won't comment; But the entire point of Communism is to empower the working class and ergo the majority of the population. Stalin preached for something called "Socialism in one country", essentially, everyone hates us, so why try to expand? We should maintain what we already have; and what did they have? Stalin. (I.e, keep me in power)

Anarcho-Communism is supposed to function as such; Instead of simply a federal revolution, it would also be a sociocultural one; the federal government is steadily dissolved and or transferred into a Social-Democratic Economy, a decentralized socialist economic system where the workers have complete control of the economy, and societal implementations are put in place, such as communal living. The End goal is to form a money-less Industrio-Agrarian society where however hard you work is equatable to how much you receive.

I learned in a recent lecture that Lenin put into his will that Stalin should not succeed him. Apparently Stalin suppressed that part of the will.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:I learned in a recent lecture that Lenin put into his will that Stalin should not succeed him. Apparently Stalin suppressed that part of the will.

I knew that part, and I sorta figured the second; What I don't understand is why Trotsky didn't use that to completely destroy Stalin...

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Hey Carpaya, how about this for a flag?

https://i.imgur.com/9PaDl7S.png

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:I knew that part, and I sorta figured the second; What I don't understand is why Trotsky didn't use that to completely destroy Stalin...

Because Stalin was a more robust figure in a nation which was distrustful of intellectuals.

Trotsky wouldn't have survived a year and everyone in the party knew that.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Andromitus wrote:I knew that part, and I sorta figured the second; What I don't understand is why Trotsky didn't use that to completely destroy Stalin...

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Because Stalin was a more robust figure in a nation which was distrustful of intellectuals.

Trotsky wouldn't have survived a year and everyone in the party knew that.

Ironically, in order to position himself as a possible leader, Stalin commissioned propaganda photos/portraits of himself pouring over papers and texts, studying Marxist ideology etc.

Jaslandia

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Because Stalin was a more robust figure in a nation which was distrustful of intellectuals.

Trotsky wouldn't have survived a year and everyone in the party knew that.

That's Trotsky's failure as a leader; But he himself was the expected replacement for Lenin. Hell the whole world was practically in shock when Stalin came to power and booted Trotsky out of the country.

Jaslandia, The Wyoming Peoples Front

Nuremgard wrote:Ironically, in order to position himself as a possible leader, Stalin commissioned propaganda photos/portraits of himself pouring over papers and texts, studying Marxist ideology etc.

^^^

Stalin spent quite a bit of time forming political ties within the Party, and by the time Lenin ate it, he had a stronger foundation than Trotsky accounted for

Nuremgard

Andromitus wrote:That's Trotsky's failure as a leader; But he himself was the expected replacement for Lenin. Hell the whole world was practically in shock when Stalin came to power and booted Trotsky out of the country.

My friend told me he ended up dead in Paris with a sickle in his skull.

I wonder who was responsible for that rather symbolic death.

Nuremgard wrote:My friend told me he ended up dead in Paris with a sickle in his skull.

I wonder who was responsible for that rather symbolic death.

I thought he was assassinated in Mexico? With an Ice Pick...

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Andromitus wrote:^^^

Stalin spent quite a bit of time forming political ties within the Party, and by the time Lenin ate it, he had a stronger foundation than Trotsky accounted for

Apparently the reason why Stalin got picked was because Lenin had compromised with the capitalists. Stalin reversed the NEP (New Economic Policy) when he came to power.

Andromitus wrote:I thought he was assassinated in Mexico? With an Ice Pick...

I'm pretty sure he was assassinated in France.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm pretty sure he was assassinated in France.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+did+Trotsky+die&oq=Where+did+Trotsky+die&aqs=chrome..69i57.2874j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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And uh... One more thing before I switch over to my phone: A flag propsal for Cesorion

https://i.imgur.com/9zHNChq.png

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Andromitus wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=Where+did+Trotsky+die&oq=Where+did+Trotsky+die&aqs=chrome..69i57.2874j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I remember watching a documentary about Stalin. What a bastard. The Russian Hitler.

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Nuremgard wrote:I remember watching a documentary about Stalin. What a bastard. The Russian Hitler.

I honestly despise him, he quite literally destroyed the entire idea of the Revolution; Then again, Trotsky would have gone Nuclear, he was a fanatic.

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Nuremgard wrote:I remember watching a documentary about Stalin. What a bastard. The Russian Hitler.

How dare you

papa stalin is best boi

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Axeldonia wrote:How dare you

papa stalin is best boi

And you call yourself an Anarchist? Stalin destroyed any hope of Socialism going global.

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Andromitus wrote:I honestly despise him, he quite literally destroyed the entire idea of the Revolution; Then again, Trotsky would have gone Nuclear, he was a fanatic.

He reversed the liberalism of the initial revolution.

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https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk

Axeldonia wrote:And uh... One more thing before I switch over to my phone: A flag propsal for Cesorion

https://i.imgur.com/9zHNChq.png

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/138/246/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg

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Nuremgard wrote:I'm pretty sure he was assassinated in France.

He was assassinated in Mexico: Stalin had a Spanish socialist who was Stalinist in ideology to kill Trotsky with an ice pick: reports state that Trotsky only got pissed and tried to fight the assassin despite the grievous head wound until his bodyguards intervened.

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Andromitus wrote:And you call yourself an Anarchist? Stalin destroyed any hope of Socialism going global.

Stalin is my favourite anime character how dare you

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/cNgxyL5zEAk

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/138/246/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg

Aww, thanks!

Validation only fuels my flag addiction

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Wait says here WW2 wasn't a hentai

oops

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:He was assassinated in Mexico: Stalin had a Spanish socialist who was Stalinist in ideology to kill Trotsky with an ice pick: reports state that Trotsky only got pissed and tried to fight the assassin despite the grievous head wound until his bodyguards intervened.

Woah. That's pretty badass lol

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Nuremgard wrote:Woah. That's pretty badass lol

Trotsky: The socialist Rasputin

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Axeldonia wrote:Wait says here WW2 wasn't a hentai

oops

pretty sure it was: the fan-preferred couple (Germany and the Soviet Union) fell apart, some major netorare (Italy breaking off from the Axis), a good bit of rape, an orgy near the end (Germany being divided by the French, British, Americans, and Soviets) and the last of the Axis getting into a threeway (Japan realizing the U.S. is "endowed" with nukes and the Soviets taking the back route in a surprise assault)

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Pirate Kingdoms wrote:pretty sure it was: the fan-preferred couple (Germany and the Soviet Union) fell apart, some major netorare (Italy breaking off from the Axis), a good bit of rape, an orgy near the end (Germany being divided by the French, British, Americans, and Soviets) and the last of the Axis getting into a threeway (Japan realizing the U.S. is "endowed" with nukes and the Soviets taking the back route in a surprise assault)

I loved that Berlin Bukkake episode

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The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:However if you would like to send an ambassador, President Crawford (he prefers Bill) would gladly take him or her on a Sunday Buffalo hunt, escorted by WPF Rangers of course, where they could discuss privately matters such as coal and copper sales, and perhaps even get in some shooting sports on his private range.

That sounds pretty interesting. Maybe you could do that with the Percytonian ambassador sometime?

Axeldonia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general/page=display_region_rmb?postid=27619271#p27619271

Spoopy! Keep your eyes peeled for a news update in a few minutes!

"What's next, an island full of sentient trains in the irish sea?"

I see what you're doing, Axel! I appreciate the recognition!

Edward: Although, I find it odd that Percyton is the symbol of weirdness in the region. I mean, we have a nation of horse people, a nation of assorted furry creatures, a nation so evil that it's like Kim Jong-un and Dick Dastardly founded a state, and an independent U.S. state of Wyoming, and somehow a quaint island that just happens to have talking vehicles is considered the most unusual thing that could exist? At least our population is still majority human, and they're pretty well taken care of. Can't say the same for every nation here.

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Axeldonia wrote:I loved that Berlin Bukkake episode

it was pretty lit

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Percyton wrote:That sounds pretty interesting. Maybe you could do that with the Percytonian ambassador sometime?

"What's next, an island full of sentient trains in the irish sea?"

I see what you're doing, Axel! I appreciate the recognition!

Edward: Although, I find it odd that Percyton is the symbol of weirdness in the region. I mean, we have a nation of horse people, a nation of assorted furry creatures, a nation so evil that it's like Kim Jong-un and Dick Dastardly founded a state, and an independent U.S. state of Wyoming, and somehow a quaint island that just happens to have talking vehicles is considered the most unusual thing that could exist? At least our population is still majority human, and they're pretty well taken care of. Can't say the same for every nation here.

I was considering including the horses, but I feel sentient trains are a little more "absurd" by human standards.

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Percyton wrote:

Edward: Although, I find it odd that Percyton is the symbol of weirdness in the region. I mean, we have a nation of horse people, a nation of assorted furry creatures, a nation so evil that it's like Kim Jong-un and Dick Dastardly founded a state, and an independent U.S. state of Wyoming, and somehow a quaint island that just happens to have talking vehicles is considered the most unusual thing that could exist? At least our population is still majority human, and they're pretty well taken care of. Can't say the same for every nation here.

You're not entirely wrong there, Edward. I assume it's because of those nations you alluded too, you've been here the longest, and you've talked a lot about the fact that you're a sentient vehicle.

Axeldonia wrote:I was considering including the horses, but I feel sentient trains are a little more "absurd" by human standards.

That too. I think in general people are more comfortable and familiar with anthropomorphising of animals than machines, since the former is more common in media and kinda makes more sense.

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Watching a series of vids about the events leading up to WW1. Sigh. What a deeply tragic time in human history. Hard to overstate the importance of WW1.

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Nuremgard wrote:Watching a series of vids about the events leading up to WW1. Sigh. What a deeply tragic time in human history. Hard to overstate the importance of WW1.

Is it perhaps a series called Extra history?

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Axeldonia wrote:Is it perhaps a series called Extra history?

https://youtu.be/S-wSL4WqUws

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Axeldonia wrote:Is it perhaps a series called Extra history?

I always tear up when I hear that version of In Flanders Fields at the end.

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Nuremgard wrote:I always tear up when I hear that version of In Flanders Fields at the end.

https://youtu.be/WukYrrTH3ms?t=9m44s

Nuremgard, Percyton

Vysta/Wysta major are you here? we need you to allow us to send a plane with an important person to Wyoming. But we need to use your air port since they dont have any.

WW2 is famous anime here mainly between the generals Axel, Stalin best.

Jaslandia wrote:You're not entirely wrong there, Edward. I assume it's because of those nations you alluded too, you've been here the longest, and you've talked a lot about the fact that you're a sentient vehicle.

That too. I think in general people are more comfortable and familiar with anthropomorphising of animals than machines, since the former is more common in media and kinda makes more sense.

'Makes more sense'? What do you mean?

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