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Subash wrote:No mattter how one tries to evade Hegel, he always lectics back like a boomerang.

Although he's a filthy Idealist that attributed more to the metaphysical than I would like, he's definitely correct about many things. The M/S Dialectic is just one example.

I covered Hegellian thought during my Marxist Theory class, and man am I glad we did that. I never appreciated Marx's Dialectical Materialism until I spent a month reading Hegel.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Ugh. "Love"

https://youtu.be/HEXWRTEbj1I

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/HEXWRTEbj1I

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBNi9QfPTe4

I didn' t get to Hegel until "Middle School." By that time I had stopped taking schooling seriously to my own detriment. I was literally bored to tears.

My legal guardian would not let the school system advance me to the local junior college. In my late 20s I found out that he had graduated from university at 16 with a double major and he always regretted not being a high school student. High School was the worst time of my life. If I live to have children I will never exacerbate their torture with deliberate scholastic retardation.

Subash wrote:I didn' t get to Hegel until "Middle School." By that time I had stopped taking schooling seriously to my own detriment. I was literally bored to tears.

My legal guardian would not let the school system advance me to the local junior college. In my late 20s I found out that he had graduated from university at 16 with a double major and he always regretted not being a high school student. High School was the worst time of my life. If I live to have children I will never exacerbate their torture with deliberate scholastic retardation.

It's times like this that make me feel like I was the only person in the world who actually enjoyed high school.

Friedensreich wrote:SJW? Ew.

Just wait until I take off the spooky mask to reveal I'm actually old lady Sarkeesian

180 messages?

Bloody hell! I've only been off for a day.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Republic City Police wrote:I noticed some things got really heated recently, and a few things came a bit too close to the line. Let's try to be more civil in the future, eh?

https://youtu.be/9jOqOlETcRU

Libiceland

Oelesa wrote:Whether you believe its a mental illness or not, we should still leave it up to the person to decide that for them self. Private institutions can create their own health clinics for what you say is an illness. I suppose the bathroom issue is more complex, but I think that in the large scheme of it the private sector can do as they want. Its public schools and government facilities that can't really.

Again though, that comes down to more feeling. I'm comfortable using the restroom next to a girl, and I'd be comfortable using it take to a men if I were a woman.

Gender means nothing to me. Not in my relationships, not in the bathroom. We are human and I love you for your personality, not your sexual parts, I dont get those uncomfortable feelings. And with 8 billion people on its way, re population isn't an issue

Again, I don't feel comfortable having a 40 year old man confused about his sexuality in the same bathroom as little girls.

Friedensreich wrote:The figure comes from a NYT article that actually criticized it heavily the year it was disbanded on July 1st, 1943. "WPA Pays Up and Quits" is the article name in case you wanted to know.

Neo-Classical Liberal Economics 101, you mean. There are more forms to economics than simply capitalist market economics. Like I said before, that is delving into a whole other can of worms that I already know we're going to disagree about. I'm a humanist, so I do not believe human nature is conpetitive, and rather believe that humans can be extremely creative and innovative all on their own, without societal pressures and economic competition.

My grandmother and mother work in the civil service right now, and their pay is extremely stable. The only direction is up for their salaries.

Funny enough, governments don't have to cut back spending during recessions, and Keynesianism (government stimulation of the economy via increased spending) has proven to work time and time again. This also had little to no effect on my grandmother's wages as a worker in DoD, so that huge recession in 2008 did not effect my family at all, due to us being in the public sector. Even the shutdown had no effect on her pay.

Automation of the workforce is inevitable. Liberal economics demand businesses cut their costs and ditch the human workers. It's already happened in numerous portions of the retail/service industry. Self checkout and automated checkout in grocery stores, drone delivery, you name it.

Now, that's a serious problem with your lovely infallible economic system where the government has no power in the economy. What's going to happen when the former retail and transportation workforce has no money to spend (remember, we already discussed how the people need money)?

I wasn't denying the statistic, I was saying how the reason unemployment went down and the economy got better was because of WWII, not the New Deal. Unemployment actually rose and FDR had to come out with the second new deal after his court packing crisis. WWII is why employment went up, not the New Deal.

Regardless of what human nature is, that's how the economy and the marketplace function. It has no spin on it (neo-classical is a contradiction in itself by the way).

The automation of the workforce is largely due to minimum wage increases, causing businesses not being able to afford to keep as many workers. Also, the businesses won't "run out of money" because there's always a consumer.

Nuremgard wrote:Being your daughter would be fun.

"Dad, I've just been raped. I am pregnant."

"I don't care, you slut. Do as I say and have that rape baby because as a man, I own your body."

Devout Catholic though so that it explains it all.

What? When at all did I ever even give you the idea then men or fathers own women's bodies, and what does my faith have to do with it? You seriously believe that because of my faith, I would lack empathy for someone, let alone my own daughter, after being raped? That's really cruel.

No, I wouldn't support abortion, not because I want my daughter to suffer as you think, but because I don't find it humane to the baby. It's a horrible circumstance, yes, but that's still a human being, regardless if it's a "rape baby" in your words, the baby had no control over the circumstances.

Auxorii wrote:Again, I don't feel comfortable having a 40 year old man confused about his sexuality in the same bathroom as little girls.

I wasn't denying the statistic, I was saying how the reason unemployment went down and the economy got better was because of WWII, not the New Deal. Unemployment actually rose and FDR had to come out with the second new deal after his court packing crisis. WWII is why employment went up, not the New Deal.

Regardless of what human nature is, that's how the economy and the marketplace function. It has no spin on it (neo-classical is a contradiction in itself by the way).

The automation of the workforce is largely due to minimum wage increases, causing businesses not being able to afford to keep as many workers. Also, the businesses won't "run out of money" because there's always a consumer.

What? When at all did I ever even give you the idea then men or fathers own women's bodies, and what does my faith have to do with it? You seriously believe that because of my faith, I would lack empathy for someone, let alone my own daughter, after being raped? That's really cruel.

No, I wouldn't support abortion, not because I want my daughter to suffer as you think, but because I don't find it humane to the baby. It's a horrible circumstance, yes, but that's still a human being, regardless if it's a "rape baby" in your words, the baby had no control over the circumstances.

Nice and easy for you though eh? Being the man, you were not the one to be raped or to be forced to carry to term an unwanted child. Would you seriously tell your daughter, even if she did not want the baby, to still have it? You want her to suffer that?

Axeldonia

Oh jeez

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Auxorii wrote:Again, I don't feel comfortable having a 40 year old man confused about his sexuality in the same bathroom as little girls.

I wasn't denying the statistic, I was saying how the reason unemployment went down and the economy got better was because of WWII, not the New Deal. Unemployment actually rose and FDR had to come out with the second new deal after his court packing crisis. WWII is why employment went up, not the New Deal.

Regardless of what human nature is, that's how the economy and the marketplace function. It has no spin on it (neo-classical is a contradiction in itself by the way).

The automation of the workforce is largely due to minimum wage increases, causing businesses not being able to afford to keep as many workers. Also, the businesses won't "run out of money" because there's always a consumer.

What? When at all did I ever even give you the idea then men or fathers own women's bodies, and what does my faith have to do with it? You seriously believe that because of my faith, I would lack empathy for someone, let alone my own daughter, after being raped? That's really cruel.

No, I wouldn't support abortion, not because I want my daughter to suffer as you think, but because I don't find it humane to the baby. It's a horrible circumstance, yes, but that's still a human being, regardless if it's a "rape baby" in your words, the baby had no control over the circumstances.

Ah yes. Gender politics and abortion, subjects that we all know lead to rational and mellow debates.

To throw my hat into the ring, Dysphoria and Disorder are not synonimous things, and the brains of Transgender people are wired more like their perceived gender, which is very different from being "confused about your sexuality"

Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

In addition, I'd have no problem with letting my prospective children go to same bathroom as a transgender 40-year old. I'd actually have more of an issue with them visting a catholic church, which is infamous for its covering up of child sex-scandals.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Axeldonia wrote:Ah yes. Gender politics and abortion, subjects that we all know lead to rational and mellow debates.

To throw my hat into the ring, Dysphoria and Disorder are not synonimous things, and the brains of Transgender people are wired more like their perceived gender, which is very different from being "confused about your sexuality"

Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

In addition, I'd have no problem with letting my prospective children go to same bathroom as a transgender 40-year old. I'd actually have more of an issue with them visting a catholic church, which is infamous for its covering up of child sex-scandals.

Exactly. A child is more likely to be molested in a church than in a bathroom.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Nice and easy for you though eh? Being the man, you were not the one to be raped or to be forced to carry to term an unwanted child. Would you seriously tell your daughter, even if she did not want the baby, to still have it? You want her to suffer that?

"It". The way you describe unborn children is disturbing, as if it's just a burden. If a woman was just raped, she should get a shot of estrogen immediately and birth control in order to stop a pregnancy so she doesn't have to. However, if there's already a baby, we're not gonna murder the baby because it's an unfortunate situation and a burden on the mother.

I don't get why you have to bring my gender into it, seeing how roughly half the women in the United States are also against abortion and feel the same way as I do. It's just a scapegoat that pro-choicers use because they don't have any real arguments, and because I'm a man you feel like my opinion isn't worth anything on this matter, which is bullshit. You said that I would call my daughter a "slut" and tell her that her body was owned by me; where you get that from is beyond me, and if your mind goes to those places at the moment someone has a differing opinion than you, I think you should seek psychiatric help. You even brought in my faith, as if that had to do with anything, when Catholic charities are #1 in the United States for donations, and I donate every Sunday as well as many other Catholics and Christians. Ironic how most of the pro-choice feminists are sexist themselves, using their gender for a political point and even condescend the other gender for their beliefs (even when half of women agree with me), and a lot of women actually trivialize rape by using arguments like this, instead of being horrified by it, they use it for a political argument when rape is actually just 1% of abortion cases.

Libiceland

Axeldonia wrote:Ah yes. Gender politics and abortion, subjects that we all know lead to rational and mellow debates.

To throw my hat into the ring, Dysphoria and Disorder are not synonimous things, and the brains of Transgender people are wired more like their perceived gender, which is very different from being "confused about your sexuality"

Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

In addition, I'd have no problem with letting my prospective children go to same bathroom as a transgender 40-year old. I'd actually have more of an issue with them visting a catholic church, which is infamous for its covering up of child sex-scandals.

Nuremgard wrote:Exactly. A child is more likely to be molested in a church than in a bathroom.

Stop attacking him for his religion. You progressives go crazy when someone mentions muslims and terrorism

Magnatronia

Auxorii wrote:"It". The way you describe unborn children is disturbing, as if it's just a burden. If a woman was just raped, she should get a shot of estrogen immediately and birth control in order to stop a pregnancy so she doesn't have to. However, if there's already a baby, we're not gonna murder the baby because it's an unfortunate situation and a burden on the mother.

I don't get why you have to bring my gender into it, seeing how roughly half the women in the United States are also against abortion and feel the same way as I do. It's just a scapegoat that pro-choicers use because they don't have any real arguments, and because I'm a man you feel like my opinion isn't worth anything on this matter, which is bullshit. You said that I would call my daughter a "slut" and tell her that her body was owned by me; where you get that from is beyond me, and if your mind goes to those places at the moment someone has a differing opinion than you, I think you should seek psychiatric help. You even brought in my faith, as if that had to do with anything, when Catholic charities are #1 in the United States for donations, and I donate every Sunday as well as many other Catholics and Christians. Ironic how most of the pro-choice feminists are sexist themselves, using their gender for a political point and even condescend the other gender for their beliefs (even when half of women agree with me), and a lot of women actually trivialize rape by using arguments like this, instead of being horrified by it, they use it for a political argument when rape is actually just 1% of abortion cases.

If women are against abortion then they should not have one. And if you're against it, be against it. I don't see why your opinion should be made law. I'd say forcing a woman to carry an unwanted child is more cruel. As for seeking psychiatric help, you're the one who goes to a church every Sunday to sing to an invisible man in the sky. If anyone should be seeking help, it's you.

You may have empathy for raped women but clearly you don't have enough if you want them to carry unwanted children.

Axeldonia

Libiceland wrote:Stop attacking him for his religion. You progressives go crazy when someone mentions muslims and terrorism

Actually I hate Islam as much as I hate Christianity. Religion is a poison upon humanity, no matter what its kind.

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:Again, I don't feel comfortable having a 40 year old man confused about his sexuality in the same bathroom as little girls.

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Transgenders aren't confused. A man that feels and wants to be a girl is not being confused. At that point he is a she and should have the rights as women. But I digress. If it was up to me, I would do away with all gender roles and designated bathrooms. So agreeing to disagre.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Libiceland wrote:Stop attacking him for his religion. You progressives go crazy when someone mentions muslims and terrorism

>Stating something so well known about an organization that it has become a regular subject of parody in many different mediums

>STOP ATTACKING HIS RELIGION

Ever heard of something called freedom of speech? According to a few of you right wingers out there, that means I can say whatever the hell I want and should suffer no consequences whatsoever! While we're at it, let me just throw some of my most provocative beliefs out there:

Israel is literally an apartheid terror state

It's not stealing if you take from the rich

Right-Wing conservatives such as Nazis and Fascists should be jailed

White men are the scum of the earth

I'm pro-death in regards to abortion

People should be able to express their sexuality/gender any way they damn well want

Religion of all forms have caused more harm than good in this world.

I can just hear the reasoned debate that will arise from these opinions.

Axeldonia wrote:Ah yes. Gender politics and abortion, subjects that we all know lead to rational and mellow debates.

To throw my hat into the ring, Dysphoria and Disorder are not synonimous things, and the brains of Transgender people are wired more like their perceived gender, which is very different from being "confused about your sexuality"

Source for my claims: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

In addition, I'd have no problem with letting my prospective children go to same bathroom as a transgender 40-year old. I'd actually have more of an issue with them visting a catholic church, which is infamous for its covering up of child sex-scandals.

Being transgender is a mental health issue, there are 30x more likely to kill themselves EVEN WHEN they feel accepted by society. The only comparable statistic to that are Jews living under Nazi Germany.

The sex-scandals were horrifying to watch, especially as a Catholic myself. However, it's important to note that the Vatican has tried to stop them, ever since Pope St. John Paul II summoned all U.S cardinals in to Rome in 2005 when he first heard, and all the departments the Catholic Church has created in order to fight molestations. However, the issue is actually homosexuality in the priesthood, and the VAST majority of children were male, not female.

Nuremgard wrote:Exactly. A child is more likely to be molested in a church than in a bathroom.

This just isn't true. 4% of Catholic Priests have been involved in sex crimes, while on average, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is 1:11. For every 1 heterosexual pedophile, there's 11 homosexual pedophiles. So, no. 4% of the largest religion in the world actually isn't that large, comparing how 33% of Protestant clergymen admit to having sex with congregates. Take a look at how much sexual abuse happens in schools and other public facilities, or even the military, and compare it to the 4% of priests.

Auxorii wrote:Being transgender is a mental health issue, there are 30x more likely to kill themselves EVEN WHEN they feel accepted by society. The only comparable statistic to that are Jews living under Nazi Germany.

The sex-scandals were horrifying to watch, especially as a Catholic myself. However, it's important to note that the Vatican has tried to stop them, ever since Pope St. John Paul II summoned all U.S cardinals in to Rome in 2005 when he first heard, and all the departments the Catholic Church has created in order to fight molestations. However, the issue is actually homosexuality in the priesthood, and the VAST majority of children were male, not female.

This just isn't true. 4% of Catholic Priests have been involved in sex crimes, while on average, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is 1:11. For every 1 heterosexual pedophile, there's 11 homosexual pedophiles. So, no. 4% of the largest religion in the world actually isn't that large, comparing how 33% of Protestant clergymen admit to having sex with congregates. Take a look at how much sexual abuse happens in schools and other public facilities, or even the military, and compare it to the 4% of priests.

Oh, I see what you did there. Trying to say homosexuals are paedophiles. There's no such thing as a straight or gay paedophile. A paedophile is a paedophile, regardless of the gender of the child they are attracted to. The Catholic Church has covered up sexual abuse for decades. Of course it goes on in all spheres of life and in every institution but the Church certainly has form in protecting paedophiles.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:If women are against abortion then they should not have one. And if you're against it, be against it. I don't see why your opinion should be made law. I'd say forcing a woman to carry an unwanted child is more cruel. As for seeking psychiatric help, you're the one who goes to a church every Sunday to sing to an invisible man in the sky. If anyone should be seeking help, it's you.

You may have empathy for raped women but clearly you don't have enough if you want them to carry unwanted children.

Ah, you realize the fallacy in your statement? You say that my opinion shouldn't be law while advocating the legalization of abortion, your opinion.

I think that supporting murder is more cruel than being uncomfortable for 9 months, yes. Oh yes, I'm sure that the billions of people on Earth that believe in a God (or gods) are just insane. Not like they've led to most innovations and research in the world.

Nuremgard wrote:Actually I hate Islam as much as I hate Christianity. Religion is a poison upon humanity, no matter what its kind.

Only 7% of every war in history was started by religion according to the War Encyclopedia. Religion is actually very beneficial, it provides a moral compass and a curiosity to the universe. Modern astronomy arose in the Arab world because they wanted to see all of God's creation.

Modern astronomy, modern generics, the big bang theory, the oldest universities in the world, and much more was all given to you by the Catholic Church.

Perland4MoI

Penguania And Antarctica

Auxorii wrote:Being transgender is a mental health issue, there are 30x more likely to kill themselves EVEN WHEN they feel accepted by society. The only comparable statistic to that are Jews living under Nazi Germany.

The sex-scandals were horrifying to watch, especially as a Catholic myself. However, it's important to note that the Vatican has tried to stop them, ever since Pope St. John Paul II summoned all U.S cardinals in to Rome in 2005 when he first heard, and all the departments the Catholic Church has created in order to fight molestations. However, the issue is actually homosexuality in the priesthood, and the VAST majority of children were male, not female.

This just isn't true. 4% of Catholic Priests have been involved in sex crimes, while on average, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is 1:11. For every 1 heterosexual pedophile, there's 11 homosexual pedophiles. So, no. 4% of the largest religion in the world actually isn't that large, comparing how 33% of Protestant clergymen admit to having sex with congregates. Take a look at how much sexual abuse happens in schools and other public facilities, or even the military, and compare it to the 4% of priests.

The definiton of "accepted by society" is quite different between you and a transgender person. For you it's "I am a normal part of the group" while for transgender people it's more often than not "I don't get pelted by stones or insulted while in public very often, so there's that." In additon, I'd like some sources for your claims, as I was at least decent enough to provide mine. As for the vatican's campaign against child molestation, well...

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/6/29/15892432/pope-francis-vatican-charged-child-sex-abuse

Jaslandia

Axeldonia wrote:>Stating something so well known about an organization that it has become a regular subject of parody in many different mediums

>STOP ATTACKING HIS RELIGION

Ever heard of something called freedom of speech? According to a few of you right wingers out there, that means I can say whatever the hell I want and should suffer no consequences whatsoever! While we're at it, let me just throw some of my most provocative beliefs out there:

Israel is literally an apartheid terror state

It's not stealing if you take from the rich

Right-Wing conservatives such as Nazis and Fascists should be jailed

White men are the scum of the earth

I'm pro-death in regards to abortion

People should be able to express their sexuality/gender any way they damn well want

Religion of all forms have caused more harm than good in this world.

I can just hear the reasoned debate that will arise from these opinions.

Look, you are just trying to piss me off so I'm not answering. I partially agree on Israel, and on the gender thing. I am agnostic

Also, since we need some add ons to a legal code, would anyone be interested in creating an anti-harassment law with me?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, I see what you did there. Trying to say homosexuals are paedophiles. There's no such thing as a straight or gay paedophile. A paedophile is a paedophile, regardless of the gender of the child they are attracted to. The Catholic Church has covered up sexual abuse for decades. Of course it goes on in all spheres of life and in every institution but the Church certainly has form in protecting paedophiles.

*pedophile.

And no, I was saying how there's actually more homosexual pedophiles than heterosexual ones, and this is evident in the Catholic Church. You literally said that "you're more likely to be abused in a church than a bathroom" and I provided statistics showing otherwise. Again, the Church has taken numerous action against pedophilia and has always condemned it.

Auxorii wrote:Ah, you realize the fallacy in your statement? You say that my opinion shouldn't be law while advocating the legalization of abortion, your opinion.

I think that supporting murder is more cruel than being uncomfortable for 9 months, yes. Oh yes, I'm sure that the billions of people on Earth that believe in a God (or gods) are just insane. Not like they've led to most innovations and research in the world.

Only 7% of every war in history was started by religion according to the War Encyclopedia. Religion is actually very beneficial, it provides a moral compass and a curiosity to the universe. Modern astronomy arose in the Arab world because they wanted to see all of God's creation.

Modern astronomy, modern generics, the big bang theory, the oldest universities in the world, and much more was all given to you by the Catholic Church.

Your moral compass states that gays are evil, that women should be forced to carry children even if raped and that anyone can go to heaven, including a child rapist, so long as they accept Jesus and repent. I'd say that religious moral compass is a tad skewed. But hey, it's a free country, and it's your right to believe in religious delusions should you choose it.

Gotta love how you equate pregnancy with being uncomfortable for 9 months. Och, the woman was only raped and the unborn baby inside her is a symbol of that horror, but she should have no control over her body because you think it's wrong to abort the child.

We're never going to agree on this so I say we go our separate ways.

Axeldonia wrote:The definiton of "accepted by society" is quite different between you and a transgender person. For you it's "I am a normal part of the group" while for transgender people it's more often than not "I don't get pelted by stones or insulted while in public very often, so there's that." In additon, I'd like some sources for your claims, as I was at least decent enough to provide mine. As for the vatican's campaign against child molestation, well...

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/6/29/15892432/pope-francis-vatican-charged-child-sex-abuse

I don't think you know what I'm talking about exactly, and I think you should look into those statistics more. Violence against transgenders really isn't that more apparent than other groups.

Your point on the sex scandal?

Gender literally means nothing. Being man doesn't make you anything more than having the sexual reproduction organisms of the male anatomy. Same for a woman. Doesnt matter how you reproduce, everybody is selfish and everyone can be ruthless. They can rape, be a paedoplhile, wage war ect. It doesnt matter how you contribute to reproduction.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Libiceland wrote:Stop attacking him for his religion. You progressives go crazy when someone mentions muslims and terrorism

And you conservatives go crazy every time someone suggests letting the mentally unstable and wife beaters should not be permitted to have firearms *shrug* We can play the generalization game all day.

Axeldonia

Auxorii wrote:*pedophile.

And no, I was saying how there's actually more homosexual pedophiles than heterosexual ones, and this is evident in the Catholic Church. You literally said that "you're more likely to be abused in a church than a bathroom" and I provided statistics showing otherwise. Again, the Church has taken numerous action against pedophilia and has always condemned it.

Paedophilia. I'm not American.

What do you call a man who is married to a woman, and has regular sexual relations with her, but abuses boys? A bisexual paedophile? A homosexual one? A confused one.

The issue is not homosexuality. The issue is paedophilia. You just don't like gay people so want to smear us all with the "you're all kiddie fiddlers" card.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Libiceland wrote:Look, you are just trying to piss me off so I'm not answering. I partially agree on Israel, and on the gender thing. I am agnostic

I'm an atheist. The point I was trying to make is that I wasn't even attacking his religion, I was just pointing out the well-known phenomenon of paedeophilia within the catholic church, which again, has become so well-know that it's often used for jokes regarding clergymen, wether it's based in fact or not.

The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Paedophilia. I'm not American.

What do you call a man who is married to a woman, and has regular sexual relations with her, but abuses boys? A bisexual paedophile? A homosexual one? A confused one.

The issue is not homosexuality. The issue is paedophilia. You just don't like gay people so want to smear us all with the "you're all kiddie fiddlers" card.

Plus, 98% of sex sex offenders towards children are heterosexual e.e

Axeldonia

Why are you people all cancerous. Either you're hating on gay and transgender people because you think they're pedophiles, or you say religion is a "poison". This is ridiculous. LGBT people have done nothing to deserve this level of discrimination, and religion in itself isn't to blame. It's extremists who use it as an excuse to commit acts of terror or to oppress segments of the population. How about you people get a life instead of using people or beliefs as scapegoats.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:And you conservatives go crazy every time someone suggests letting the mentally unstable and wife beaters should not be permitted to have firearms *shrug* We can play the generalization game all day.

I'm a libertarian. Mentally unstable people shouldn't have guns. Convicted criminals should be allowed to own guns

Auxorii

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Plus, 98% of sex sex offenders towards children are heterosexual e.e

Don't tell the homophobes that. It'll confuse them.

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Magnatronia wrote:Why are you people all cancerous. Either you're hating on gay and transgender people because you think they're pedophiles, or you say religion is a "poison". This is ridiculous. LGBT people have done nothing to deserve this level of discrimination, and religion in itself isn't to blame. It's extremists who use it as an excuse to commit acts of terror or to oppress segments of the population. How about you people get a life instead of using people or beliefs as scapegoats.

Yes we are so hateful!

Oelesa

Libiceland wrote:Yes we are so hateful!

You are. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Catholicism is ranked as one of the most hateful/judgmental groups in the world.

Axeldonia, Oelesa

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You are. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Catholicism is ranked as one of the most hateful/judgmental groups in the world.

And to think, if heaven was real, it'd be full of them. Not a place I'd want to go to!

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

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Auxorii wrote:I don't think you know what I'm talking about exactly, and I think you should look into those statistics more. Violence against transgenders really isn't that more apparent than other groups.

Your point on the sex scandal?

Again you have declined to provide any form of sources to your claims, wich suggests to me that you're one of those stereotypical conservatives who hear statistics through media that follow your ideological compass and spout it out at people without thinking. As for my source for the sex scandal, I wanted to point out that if the third most senior member of the Vatican can get away with child abuse for a long time it doesn't seem to me like the Vaticans measures have been terribly effective.

Nuremgard

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You are. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Catholicism is ranked as one of the most hateful/judgmental groups in the world.

I just told everyone that I was agnostic

Nuremgard wrote:And to think, if heaven was real, it'd be full of them. Not a place I'd want to go to!

insert heaven doesn't exist doe joke here (*note: not directed to the religious, tis a joke with my fellow atheist

Nuremgard

Libiceland wrote:I just told everyone that I was agnostic

You still seem to have the values though.

Axeldonia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You still seem to have the values though.

What values?

Axeldonia wrote:Again you have declined to provide any form of sources to your claims, wich suggests to me that you're one of those stereotypical conservatives who hear statistics through media that follow your ideological compass and spout it out at people without thinking. As for my source for the sex scandal, I wanted to point out that if the third most senior member of the Vatican can get away with child abuse for a long time it doesn't seem to me like the Vaticans measures have been terribly effective.

The Vatican is full of child rapists but they've got the brass neck to tell gay people they're evil.

Nuremgard wrote:The Vatican is full of child rapists but they've got the brass neck to tell gay people they're evil.

I mean, I wouldn't go to that level.. I honestly think the Pope is cool.

Jaslandia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I mean, I wouldn't go to that level.. I honestly think the Pope is cool.

Whoever the Pope is and what he says is irrelevant to me. Anybody who claims to be the representative of the omnipotent creator on earth has some issues to work through.

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Also, since we need some add ons to a legal code, would anyone be interested in creating an anti-harassment law with me?

We need a comprehensive legal code, not just one that covers harassment.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:As we're getting to crunch time before the opening of the first Parliament of the Second Confederacy, I'm once again posting my proposed Criminal Code for feedback from the region.

Checking spelling and grammar as well as ensuring the list of charges and their definitions are comprehensive would be particularly appreciated.

Highlights:

- Harassment covers most forms of communications violations, such as offensive and discriminatory comments or any other posts that bring the wrath of the mods down upon us. It emphasizes that the statements have to be repetitious.

- Obstruction of justice includes non-compliance with lawful instructions by Constables and sentences by the Judiciary. Potential sentences are listed in the last section. This should be of interest to our newest arrivals from Libertatem as it restricts what constitutes a sentence from the judicial branch.

- Abuse of office for public officerholders includig influencing the democratic process negatively, which covers violations relating to misrepresenting valid votes and not respecting the democratic transfer of power.

- Sentences, save for treason, can range from mild to severe depending om severity of the crime and judicial discretion. The use of "up to" when time durations are stipulated allows for slaps on the wrist for minor offences, like a 1 day ban from RMB postings.

Which is what I've been proposing for the last two months on the RMB in anticipation of a new constitution.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Whoever the Pope is and what he says is irrelevant to me. Anybody who claims to be the representative of the omnipotent creator on earth has some issues to work through.

Ikr. But when my cousin Joe does it he's locked up in an institution and diagnosed with schizophrenia, pft.

Nuremgard wrote:Paedophilia. I'm not American.

What do you call a man who is married to a woman, and has regular sexual relations with her, but abuses boys? A bisexual paedophile? A homosexual one? A confused one.

The issue is not homosexuality. The issue is paedophilia. You just don't like gay people so want to smear us all with the "you're all kiddie fiddlers" card.

I was saying that pedophilia is more common among homosexuals.

73% of homosexuals admit to having sex with minors.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You are. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Catholicism is ranked as one of the most hateful/judgmental groups in the world.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You are. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but Catholicism is ranked as one of the most hateful/judgmental groups in the world.

Magnatronia wrote:Why are you people all cancerous. Either you're hating on gay and transgender people because you think they're pedophiles, or you say religion is a "poison". This is ridiculous. LGBT people have done nothing to deserve this level of discrimination, and religion in itself isn't to blame. It's extremists who use it as an excuse to commit acts of terror or to oppress segments of the population. How about you people get a life instead of using people or beliefs as scapegoats.

In regards to religious people, I'd say that no, it's not just extremists. There are actual problems with religion as with most other organizations, in particular with their devouted following of books that, no matter if they where written by god or not, came a long time before them and often contains bigoted stuff from that era wich slows progress. There are passages in the bible about the keeping and selling of slaves, for example wich may or may not have caused some issues *Cough* American Civil war*Cough*

Nuremgard, Libiceland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Ikr. But when my cousin Joe does it he's locked up in an institution and diagnosed with schizophrenia, pft.

Put it this way.

If I get up in the morning, put my hands over my cereal and pray to the spirit of Elvis, asking him to bestow my cereal with his presence, then I'd be considered a crazy person.

If I go to a church and eat the bread and wine which was blessed by a priest to make them into the body and blood of Christ, well I'm just a Catholic then.

Looking on the RMB saddens me. :(

Jaslandia, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:73% of homosexuals admit to having sex with minors.

SOURCES PLEASE

I'm Bisexual and I'm sure as hell no damn kiddlyfiddler

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Auxorii wrote:I was saying that pedophilia is more common among homosexuals.

73% of homosexuals admit to having sex with minors.

Where are you getting your stats from? Your arse? Homosexuals are a minority globally. Most paedophiles identify as straight men.

You clearly have an agenda, mate. Away and sing to Jesus.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:I was saying that pedophilia is more common among homosexuals.

73% of homosexuals admit to having sex with minors.

Source?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:SOURCES PLEASE

I'm Bisexual and I'm sure as hell no damn kiddlyfiddler

Nuremgard wrote:Where are you getting your stats from? Your arse? Homosexuals are a minority globally. Most paedophiles identify as straight men.

You clearly have an agenda, mate. Away and sing to Jesus.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Source?

Haha. All within 60 seconds.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:We need a comprehensive legal code, not just one that covers harassment. Which is what I've been proposing for the last two months on the RMB in anticipation of a new constitution.

Looks good

Auxorii wrote:I was saying that pedophilia is more common among homosexuals.

73% of homosexuals admit to having sex with minors.

That is, without a doubt, the most false thing I've seen uttered here. We have homosexuals and bisexuals here I'm aware; I ask my fellow members of the LGBT community; have you had sexual relations with a minor (by your countries laws), when you yourself were not a minor near their age? I know I haven't, I'm bi btw

Jaslandia

Axeldonia wrote:SOURCES PLEASE

I'm Bisexual and I'm sure as hell no damn kiddlyfiddler

Nuremgard wrote:Where are you getting your stats from? Your arse? Homosexuals are a minority globally. Most paedophiles identify as straight men.

You clearly have an agenda, mate. Away and sing to Jesus.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Source?

New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Haha. All within 60 seconds.

And I don't wanna see any damn wikipedia links either. Do your homework kids!

Oelesa

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:

That is, without a doubt, the most false thing I've seen uttered here. We have homosexuals and bisexuals here I'm aware; I ask my fellow members of the LGBT community; have you had sexual relations with a minor (by your countries laws), when you yourself were not a minor near their age? I know I haven't, I'm bi btw

Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population. they constitute about a third of child molesters.6 (6. K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia," op. cit. Also, K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197, cited in NARTH Fact Sheet. ) Further, as noted by the Encino, Calif.-based National Association for research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), "since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adultmales.7 (7. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate (Downers Grove, IU.: Intervarsity Press), p. 114, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia, op. cit., p. 2. )

Auxorii wrote:New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.

1979, not only is this generally outdated by almost 40 years, it is in a time where there was bias against homosexuals, furthering the incrediable likeliness of false-hood.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Oelesa

Auxorii wrote:New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.

F*ck me! A book from the 70s! Back then, it was the majority opinion that homosexuality was a mental illness!

As I said, away and sing to Jesus, pal. He's missing you.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Friedensreich, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population. they constitute about a third of child molesters.6 (6. K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders Against Children: An Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (Spring 1992): 3443, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia," op. cit. Also, K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197, cited in NARTH Fact Sheet. ) Further, as noted by the Encino, Calif.-based National Association for research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), "since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent or pedophile victims are boys who have been molested by adultmales.7 (7. Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate (Downers Grove, IU.: Intervarsity Press), p. 114, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia, op. cit., p. 2. )

Do you have any sources within this decade, or at the very least this century?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Oelesa

Auxorii wrote:New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.

The first thing that comes up when I google this vauge source is "The Menace of Multiculturalism: Trojan horse in America"

Clearly, these are the wholly unbiased, chronologically correct facts we've been waiting for.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Axeldonia wrote:SOURCES PLEASE

I'm Bisexual and I'm sure as hell no damn kiddlyfiddler

The delicious irony about that dummkopf's statements is that I'm only attracted to men that are older than I am.

I've never dated or been with someone that was my age or younger. Only 1-4 years older.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.

😂😂😂

I have three degrees and have worked as a TA and research assistant. If I ever tried to submit an almost 40 year old reference as a source of a statistic, especially on a subject that was incredibly biased and contentious during the time the stat was produced, it would br flagged. A thesis that would base itself on any such stat (I was a thesis TA) would be denied so quickly the applicant's head would spin.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Friedensreich, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:1979, not only is this generally outdated by almost 40 years, it is in a time where there was bias against homosexuals, furthering the incrediable likeliness of false-hood.

Fake news, alternative facts, and implicit agenda bias, oh my!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

Friedensreich wrote:The delicious irony about that dummkopf's statements is that I'm only attracted to men that are older than I am.

I've never dated or been with someone that was my age or younger. Only 1-4 years older.

So far it's looking like that stat is false, as about 90% of our LGBT (open) community has just stated they have not had sex with minors.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Friedensreich wrote:The delicious irony about that dummkopf's statements is that I'm only attracted to men that are older than I am.

I've never dated or been with someone that was my age or younger. Only 1-4 years older.

Sssshhh, you're distorting his ideological world view and bigotry with facts!

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Friedensreich wrote:The delicious irony about that dummkopf's statements is that I'm only attracted to men that are older than I am.

I've never dated or been with someone that was my age or younger. Only 1-4 years older.

I'm 90 if you're 80 bby ;)

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So far it's looking like that stat is false, as about 90% of our LGBT (open) community has just stated they have not had sex with minors.

And I'm confident the one's who are't on at this moment would nay as well.

Axeldonia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:😂😂😂

I have three degrees and have worked as a TA and research assistant. If I ever tried to submit an almost 40 year old reference as a source of a statistic, especially on a subject that was incredibly biased and contentious during the time the stat was produced, it would br flagged. A thesis that would base itself on any such stat (I was a thesis TA) would be denied so quickly the applicant's head would spin.

We might not be on the same page about much, but we both know you should have good sources for your argument. I apprechiate that.

Nuremgard, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

How about vegetable?

Anyone here eaten asparagus ?

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Friedensreich wrote:Fake news, alternative facts, and implicit agenda bias, oh my!

I also have a thing for guys older than me. We should start a club.

The SDH (Sugar Daddy Hunters)

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I also have a thing for guys older than me. We should start a club.

The SDH (Sugar Daddy Hunters)

Gimme the succ hun

The United Providences Of Perland

I would read this, if I were all of you:

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

Libiceland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How about vegetable?

Anyone here eaten asparagus ?

Ew no

Vegetables are a burgeoise invention to make the working classes healthy

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How about vegetable?

Anyone here eaten asparagus ?

Yes! Bake it with some balsamic vinegar and add some shredded parmesan when it comes out. Delish!

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:I also have a thing for guys older than me. We should start a club.

The SDH (Sugar Daddy Hunters)

That's hot. And strangely enough, I've only ever been in homosexual relationships with males older than me wtf is this.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How about vegetable?

Anyone here eaten asparagus ?

Yes, the smell of it is terrible but when it's buttered it's rather nice.

Nuremgard wrote:I also have a thing for guys older than me. We should start a club.

The SDH (Sugar Daddy Hunters)

Nurem, pls, you're killing me.

Anyway can we all please drop the discussion of whether gay people are massively more likely to be pedophiles or not?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:😂😂😂

I have three degrees and have worked as a TA and research assistant. If I ever tried to submit an almost 40 year old reference as a source of a statistic, especially on a subject that was incredibly biased and contentious during the time the stat was produced, it would br flagged. A thesis that would base itself on any such stat (I was a thesis TA) would be denied so quickly the applicant's head would spin.

He must have had a bad argumentative writing teacher..... literally one of the first things mine taught me was "only use sources that are within 5 years of when you're writing it".

I once used an essay from 1904 to explain my point for Marxist Theory (it's a 300 level class, so it's kinda important for papers to be really good) last semester, and my professor docked the grade from an A to a B.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Timothy J. Dailey, PhD, Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Marriage and Family Studies of the Family Research Council, wrote in his 2004 article, "Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse":

"The circle of abuse is the tragic legacy of the attempts by homosexuals to legitimize having sex with boys... Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children...

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse:

men are almost always the perpetrator;

up to one-third or more of the child sex abuse cases are committed against boys;

less than three percent of the population are homosexuals.

Thus, a tiny percentage of the population [homosexual men], commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation."

Auxorii wrote:I would read this, if I were all of you:

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

The fact that while just skimming through that article, I found enough far-right ties to kms shows it probably has bias.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Kalaron wrote:Yes, the smell of it is terrible but when it's buttered it's rather nice.

Nurem, pls, you're killing me.

Anyway can we all please drop the discussion of whether gay people are massively more likely to be pedophiles or not?

Yes, and start the discussion of wether me likey some THICC HUNKS or not

The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Yes, the smell of it is terrible but when it's buttered it's rather nice.

Nurem, pls, you're killing me.

Anyway can we all please drop the discussion of whether gay people are massively more likely to be pedophiles or not?

Tell Auxorii that. He's the one posting links trying to smear all gays as kiddie fiddlers.

He clearly is not right in the head. Then again, his type rarely are. He probably had a seizure when Ireland legalised gay marriage.

Axeldonia

Auxorii wrote:I would read this, if I were all of you:

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

The Family Research Council is an conservative Christian group and lobbying organization.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:men are almost always the perpetrator

There ya have it folks! The solution to child molestation is to kill all men!

God, to think I used to be like this guy. A fire and brimstone Catholic. *shudder* I pity any children he has, being brainwashed by such a moronic and bigoted parent.

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Auxorii wrote:Timothy J. Dailey, PhD, Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Marriage and Family Studies of the Family Research Council, wrote in his 2004 article, "Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse":

"The circle of abuse is the tragic legacy of the attempts by homosexuals to legitimize having sex with boys... Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children...

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse:

men are almost always the perpetrator;

up to one-third or more of the child sex abuse cases are committed against boys;

less than three percent of the population are homosexuals.

Thus, a tiny percentage of the population [homosexual men], commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation."

Not the best guy here, as by the quick Google search I found some of his wonderful books of which include; "The Paranormal Conspiracy, Healing Through the Power of Faith, and the Millennial Deception." Yup, gr8 guy to quote here totally not moronic.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Kalaron wrote:Yes, the smell of it is terrible but when it's buttered it's rather nice.

Nurem, pls, you're killing me.

Anyway can we all please drop the discussion of whether gay people are massively more likely to be pedophiles or not?

I think it was collectively dropped when a book from the Carter administration was unearthed to support a social psychology argument.

I don't know about anyone else, but that was the indication to me that this isn't a serious debate.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Tell Auxorii that. He's the one posting links trying to smear all gays as kiddie fiddlers.

He clearly is not right in the head. Then again, his type rarely are. He probably had a seizure when Ireland legalised gay marriage.

Mate, then disengage.

Trust me, Aux is convincing no one as to whether or not gay people diddle kids, so the argument is empty on both sides because you can't convince him we don't while he can't convince you that we do.

Nuremgard wrote:God, to think I used to be like this guy. A fire and brimstone Catholic. *shudder* I pity any children he has, being brainwashed by such a moronic and bigoted parent.

Please don't insult people like that.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Tell Auxorii that. He's the one posting links trying to smear all gays as kiddie fiddlers.

He clearly is not right in the head. Then again, his type rarely are. He probably had a seizure when Ireland legalised gay marriage.

Yeah no, fûck that. If someone is comparing me to a kiddiefiddler because I like dick, I'm not going to drop it.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:There ya have it folks! The solution to child molestation is to kill all men!

Especially the Catholic ones just to be safe.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:God, to think I used to be like this guy. A fire and brimstone Catholic. *shudder* I pity any children he has, being brainwashed by such a moronic and bigoted parent.

Woah dude. That one is not cool. That is taking things just a tad too far.

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

I'm not saying homosexuals are all pedophiles. I was responding to your claims that someone is more likely to be molested in a church than a bathroom

Kalaron wrote:Mate, then disengage.

Trust me, Aux is convincing no one as to whether or not gay people diddle kids, so the argument is empty on both sides because you can't convince him we don't while he can't convince you that we do.

Please don't insult people like that.

Why the hell should I not insult him? He's trying to say I'm a paedophile. That would merit a punch in the face if he said that to me in the street. He's lucky all he's getting is an insult over the internet.

Axeldonia, The United Providences Of Perland

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