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I can withdraw it from the floor, but what do you suggest we do?
I mean, pulling a "We won't let anyone take Europe from us" via Merkel is pretty much the worst thing possible.
How about trying to give Sulanian's a smidge of independence while retaining the Reich, forge stronger bonds with their people and try to convince them of staying with you rather than holding a gun at them and saying "Stay here or die"
True, but we have US-level decentralization. How do we even give them more?
I know the US isn't a model of decentralization, obviously, but I really don't know what else to do
Confederacy or a special district (province) similar to Hong Kong in a China.
Andromitus
Avoiding HRE levels, in name works fine.
Besides, Sul is the actual dude to be talking to about the SNP, not me.
Avoid declaring war on my boyfriend and I'm fine with whatever, basically.
What exactly do you mean by special district because we are a confederacy in everything but name.
Take Hong Kong. It's part of China, but it's almost like being in an entirely different country due to how China has allowed many more capitalist policies. Simply do the opposite and allow Sulania to do more socialist acts, allow it to manage trade on its own.
We already do that for everyone.
Then we're already the HRE, Bax. The only thing that separates us from that is that we have a national legislature.
Well then, if that's the way it is, I guess the next logical conclusion is independence.
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what does that mean?
its a sand castle so if it rains it will get ruined?
if the rain destroys the sand castle why does it matters its on communal sand? the rain will destroy it regardless of the sand.
what a weird metaphor.
I kinda understand that.
Sul is socialist
if he tries to leave the Reich and you war him we're definitely gonna wade in
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, United Yugoslav States
If the Germans did that they would basically become the German Reich during ww2 with their suppression policies. Also civil war. Also, The HRE was a elected Monarchy which was basically a democratic empire...of the sorts...
Jaslandia
Take charge, Bax! Be the Holy Roman Emperor and dominate the states of the Reich with your iron will!
(Keep getting you and Sul mixed up because of your flags.)
Jaslandia
Eh, makes sense to me.
It's a Realm -hence the castle- built upon people's choice -hence the communal- with regards to forming it.
By attempting to make it illegal to leave, he's practically begging for rain to come and wreak the castle, while also making the -already unstable- people's choice even less stable in their opinion.
It makes sense to me, and it looks like it also made sense to Bax, so *shrug*
And he didn't have that much power anyway. Being HRE was more of a prestige thing.
Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States
And the ASN would have a reason to step in as well.
Yknow, that whole sovereignty thing.
Even though I am not a communist (I am a socialist Monarchy), I will support Sulania through Peaceful Diplomacy. War is distasteful and is unnecessary. Lets try to be civilized and keep this peaceful.
Andromitus
Oh. Wait, You are Russia or Russian/slavic yes?
My country is geographically Russian but politically and culturally European.
Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States
I love it....You know, I have always liked nations like yours. Maybe its the slavic in me but eh....You also have the Pan Slavic flag! Oh love that to...I think we will get along.
Jaslandia
Cheers. I Googled this flag and apparently it's an "ultranationalist Russian flag." I just liked it because of the crowned eagle.
Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States
Yes, the Russian flag is also seen as Pan-Slavic nationalism and pride. Thats why I like Russia...or a nation similar to it, like yourself.
Hello my sexy friends. How are you all doing ?
Jaslandia, Tserra, Minnesota Dakota, Percyton, United Yugoslav States
Well I'm not totally like Russia (thank God.)
Jaslandia, United Yugoslav States
Your a very democratic and very liberal version of her. I like that. Well anyway, If you ever need anything or help just send a tele to Zagreb of Belgrade.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Well I just got out of the Russian Consulate, I was worried because I thought I was going to have them take my Soviet Union Passport but I got to keep it!
So I have my USSR Passport and my Russian Federation Passport in a few months!
How is everyone elses day going?
Jaslandia, Magnatronia, United Yugoslav States
Very good my Friend! I reformed a bit, parts of Slovenia joined, and I am a Constitutional Monarchy! Democratic Monarchy for the win! so happy!
Jaslandia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8
Call of Duty Russian flag
lol you are a very silly boy
Percyton
Harmony Consensus agrees
United Yugoslav States
Yay! War is bad on certain occasions. It is only good to protect people or to take down a bad regime.
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- AD 65 The freedman Milichus betrays Piso's plot to kill the Emperor Nero and all the conspirators are arrested.
- 531 Battle of Callinicum: A Byzantine army under Belisarius is defeated by the Persians at Raqqa (northern Syria).
- 797 Empress Irene organizes a conspiracy against her son, the Byzantine emperor Constantine VI. He is deposed and blinded. Shortly after, Constantine dies of his wounds; Irene proclaims herself basileus.
- 1012 Martyrdom of Ælfheah in Greenwich, England.
- 1529 Beginning of the Protestant Reformation: After the Second Diet of Speyer bans Lutheranism, a group of rulers (German: Fürst) and independent cities protests the reinstatement of the Edict of Worms.
- 1539 Treaty of Frankfurt signed
- 1608 In Ireland: O'Doherty's Rebellion is launched by the Burning of Derry
- 1677 The French army captures the town of Cambrai held by Spanish troops.
- 1713 With no living male heirs, Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor, issues the Pragmatic Sanction of 1713 to ensure that Habsburg lands and the Austrian throne would be inherited by his daughter, Maria Theresa (not actually born until 1717).
- 1770 Captain James Cook, still holding the rank of lieutenant, sights the eastern coast of what is now Australia.
- 1770 Marie Antoinette marries Louis XVI of France in a proxy wedding.
- 1775 American Revolutionary War: The war begins with an American victory in Concord during the battles of Lexington and Concord.
- 1782 John Adams secures the Dutch Republic's recognition of the United States as an independent government. The house which he had purchased in The Hague, Netherlands becomes the first American embassy.
- 1809 An Austrian corps is defeated by the forces of the Duchy of Warsaw in the Battle of Raszyn, part of the struggles of the Fifth Coalition. On the same day the Austrian main army is defeated by a First French Empire Corps led by Louis-Nicolas Davout at the Battle of Teugen-Hausen in Bavaria, part of a four-day campaign that ended in a French victory.
- 1810 Venezuela achieves home rule: Vicente Emparán, Governor of the Captaincy General is removed by the people of Caracas and a junta is installed.
- 1839 The Treaty of London establishes Belgium as a kingdom and guarantees its neutrality.
- 1861 American Civil War: Baltimore riot of 1861: A pro-Secession mob in Baltimore attacks United States Army troops marching through the city.
- 1892 Charles Duryea claims to have driven the first automobile in the United States, in Springfield, Massachusetts.
- 1903 The Kishinev pogrom in Kishinev (Bessarabia) begins, forcing tens of thousands of Jews to later seek refuge in Palestine and the Western world.
- 1927 Mae West is sentenced to ten days in jail for obscenity for her play Sex.
- 1942 World War II: In Poland, the Majdan-Tatarski ghetto is established, situated between the Lublin Ghetto and a Majdanek subcamp.
- 1943 World War II: In Poland, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising begins, after German troops enter the Warsaw Ghetto to round up the remaining Jews.
- 1954 The Constituent Assembly of Pakistan recognises Urdu and Bengali as the national languages of Pakistan.
- 1956 Actress Grace Kelly marries Prince Rainier of Monaco.
- 1960 Students in South Korea hold a nationwide pro-democracy protest against president Syngman Rhee, eventually forcing him to resign.
- 1971 Sierra Leone becomes a republic, and Siaka Stevens the president.
- 1971 Launch of Salyut 1, the first space station.
- 1971 Charles Manson is sentenced to death (later commuted to life imprisonment) for conspiracy in the TateLaBianca murders.
- 1973 The Portuguese Socialist Party is founded in the German town of Bad Münstereifel.
- 1984 Advance Australia Fair is proclaimed as Australia's national anthem, and green and gold as the national colours.
- 1985 Two hundred ATF and FBI agents lay siege to the compound of the white supremacist survivalist group The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord in Arkansas; the CSA surrenders two days later.
- 1987 The Simpsons first appear as a series of shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show, first starting with Good Night.
- 1989 A gun turret explodes on the USS Iowa, killing 47 sailors.
- 1993 The 51-day FBI siege of the Branch Davidian building outside Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Eighty-one people die.
- 1995 Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, USA, is bombed, killing 168.
- 1997 The 1997 Red River flood overwhelms the city of Grand Forks, North Dakota. Fire breaks out and spreads in downtown Grand Forks, but high water levels hamper efforts to reach the fire, leading to the destruction of 11 buildings.
- 1999 The German Bundestag returns to Berlin.
- 2005 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is elected to the papacy and becomes Pope Benedict XVI.
- 2011 Fidel Castro resigns as First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba after holding the title since July 1961.
- 2013 Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev is killed in a shootout with police. His brother Dzhokhar is later captured hiding in a boat inside a backyard in the suburb of Watertown.
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- 1942 Frank Elstner, German television presenter
- 1952 Alexis Argüello, Nicaraguan boxer and politician
- 1966 Oliver Welke, German television presenter, actor, comedian and sports journalist
- 1972 Rivaldo, Brazilian footballer
- 1978 James Franco, American actor, director, producer, and screenwriter
- 1981 Hayden Christensen, Canadian-American actor and producer
- 1987 Maria Sharapova, Russian tennis player
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Quote of the day
Laziness may appear attractive, but work gives satisfaction.
- Anne Frank -
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Jaslandia, Unfallious, Aghrabia, Tserra, Minnesota Dakota, Yukona, Percyton
We gave Empress Mara Sov near absolute power. She will hopefully increase the size of the Luchtmacht and Navy.
United Yugoslav States
Isnt that bad? Like that sounds Tsar and Civil War bad.
What? The people voted to do this and the Empress said she will keep the Imperial Parliament.
United Yugoslav States
Oh. I guess that's ok. I just hope you don't end up like the Tsar. That was bad. Death, Weakness, corruption, lives ruined, and destruction. Oh hey that rhymed! Anyways, Try to keep the people happy or you might have your own Vladimir Lenin.
Yay, I got a like from Unf.
Andromitus, Minnesota Dakota, Magnatronia
I mean, yeah, just having a bunch of pictures is pretty bad, I could see the space elf doing something to fix that.
Andromitus
Even though we're still socialist.
United Yugoslav States
She isn't a space elf and stop judging.
I dont know! It was a guess. So your a socialist Monarchy as well?
Andromitus, Minnesota Dakota
Yes.
United Yugoslav States
They literally said they got the inspiration for the awoken from things like Night Elves, so the Awoken are offically just edgy space elves.
I'm just judging the lack of quantitative detail : ^ )
Andromitus
Yay! I am a socialist Monarchy but I am a more constitutional one. Like usa with checks and balances.
Should the UK panic now about the future of Europe??????
The Vidnoye
Yes I'm planting my big red boot all over it
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota, United Yugoslav States
Post self-deleted by United Yugoslav States.
Trying to create a communist Britain? Why not just have an alliance or something? Or be peaceful and do it diplomatically!
Jaslandia
He's not Britain (thank God). His nation is the United Kingdom of Latrovia- hence UK. He's based in Italy and rules over most of North Africa.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States
Oh? An Arab country? You know, my provinces in Bosnia and Herzegovina are Islamic Muslim areas! I have freedom of religion. Anyways, Thank you. Want some money?
Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Sounds like North Africa needs some freedom!
#Vistamurica
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States
REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY
Day 50: Erik Satie - "Je te veux" (Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbT9DeULzU4)
Thank you for reading, papa bless
Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, United Yugoslav States
You mean independence, democracy, and money support? Yea! Ill support it all the way!
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
First, I would like some money. Second, he is not an Arab country- he is Italian; I, on the other hand, am.
Preferably administered with the guns and tanks of my glorious leader.
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, United Yugoslav States
No silly! You are! Well Italy might have some arabness to them. Lots of my population are Muslim. Also, How much money do you want? I have too much and inflation is rising!
Aghrabia
All of it! (I thought you were joking about the money; it's fine, really, we just extort it from the citizens.)
United Yugoslav States
Oh come on! Just a bit? You are going to make me feel bad if I dont give you a wee bit of money!
Aghrabia
I'll give you money.
*Offers Loan*
United Yugoslav States
Fine... *rolls eyes* Just a little, though...
United Yugoslav States
Good aftermorning, nerds
Aghrabia, Percyton
Not here it isn't. And who are you calling nerd?
Got an English delivery guy at the door there. Lovely accent.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton
Do you not want to gouge his eyes out with your claymore for the freedom of Scotland? Colour me surprised.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
I can't tell if it's sarcasm
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Nah, honey. I only hate Westminster, not the English.
It's not always about you.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
I was being serious.
Penguania And Antarctica
What?! I'm not the only Scottish person here?
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Glaswegian born and bred, babe. And a passionate nationalist to boot.
Calofas, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGAu_DeKckI
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm from Glasgow too and a member of the SNP
...you're now my new best friend :P
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Always so suspicious, my wee English rose.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Wait just a minute. After I did a look at the laws, there's nothing saying you can do that. We'll need to put it up to a vote
God, I need to make a German Law Code
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGbu_yN_GpU
Penguania And Antarctica
I will gladly take a loan! Also, I will give Aghrabia 1 billion dollars. Happy Pay day!
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
I wish I could, but you see the reactions I get
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Hell yes! My mum got me a present from the SNP store. A Yes jacket. :P
Calofas, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Unless one takes the stance that, if it isn't legislated, it's legal?
Like, unless you're going full CSA/USA there really isn't anything you can do to deny Sulania that won't seem worse than the EU to the Brits.
Fun times. I much prefer Sturgeon as First Minister and SNP leader, however.
It's being proposed on the floor now.
I'm not denying him. I'm simply making it unfavorable for him to leave as well as centralizing the Reich
Oelesa
So...you're punishing leaving?
TBH, this is starting to turn into leaving the EU and Britain.
One side wants to punish leaving in the thought that the other side can't...you know...be offended enough to leave because of it?
Also on centralizing...
>Sulanian nationals want to leave/ be more singular
>Reich wants to keep them
>Reich chooses to centralize
Mate do you even social experiment
Kal, the centralization has been taken off the floor of the Reichstag for, honestly, another reason. However, I know I made a mistake, and as such you don't have to keep criticizing. And we aren't "punishing" leaving, but what should we do, just let the nation fall apart and be like "yea, that's fine".
Oelesa
Good thing I didn't join that monstrosity of a union
Jaslandia
Britain is not being punished for leaving the EU. It will suffer the economic consequences for leaving. The people made a choice. The choice has consequences.
The EU not bending over backwards for precious Britain is interpreted by overzealous Leave voters as "being punished." But many Brits have a victim complex when it comes to the EU.
Baxten
First, while I won't say I wasn't criticising the idea, I was more making fun of how most supranational organisations fail to properly react to "we should leave" movements as they instead attempt to make it painful to leave.
Second, you could instead invent ways to satisfy their request?
Why not satisfy them by allowing for member nations to overturn Reichstag choices through a quota (Sulania has three overrides for their nation, once those are expanded, they have to wait until next month) or allow for nations to overturn choices inside their boarders unless a super-majority supported it.
I see the problem here: We, the Reich, do not consider ourselves supranational. We view ourselves as one nation. As such, a secession would be like Texas leaving the US, not like the UK leaving the EU.
I've been trying to invite ways, however, the only response I've got from Sul is "Now it's time for independence". We really can't decentralize much more.
Oelesa, United Yugoslav States
Thanks for the comment Flynn. Now please let us two (or three, if Sul comes on) have a civilized, no insult conversation.
Jaslandia
If Sulania leaves, if everyone else leaves. The Reich will survive through Baxten and Oelesa, like it was originally meant to be.
We are the opponents of Communism and the balance between Capitalism and Socialism, we sought out to unite all Germans and create a strong central Europe, that dream won't die out.
- Governor Jakob Streicher.
United Yugoslav States
Why not just be like the united sates and become a union of states that have high autonomy but cant have independence? You could be a liberal Monarchy! Also, states leaving from the US is not illegal.
invent, not invite. Damn my quick typing
That's what we are, except we also have a legislature. And yes it is, Yugo. It may not be officially illegal, but a state leaving won't go unpunished.
*proud and inspirational clapping*
Nowhere does it state in the constitution, declaration of Independence, bill of rights, or any law documents have said that secession is illegal. It has only been the presidents word that said it was illegal. Plus, what if the government became corrupt and authoritarian, should a state not be allowed to leave then?
"He is best remembered for his command to his cook: when told he could not have apricot dumplings (Marillenknödel) because apricots were out of season, he said "I am the Emperor, and I want dumplings!" (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und ich will Knödel!)."
"As the revolutionaries of 1848 were marching on the palace, he is supposed to have asked [State Chancellor Klemens von] Metternich for an explanation. When Metternich answered that they were making a revolution, Ferdinand is supposed to have said "But are they allowed to do that?" (Viennese German: Ja, dürfen's denn des?)"
In Ferdinand's defense, though, his state of mind wasn't the greatest; he had neurological problems, and suffered from as many as 20 seizures a day (he had 5 when he tried to consummate his marriage).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_I_of_Austria
An English accent and a Scottish accent in the same room? Sounds like an accent's lover dream.
Nuremgard, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Right, consequences that are being seen as punishments.
The difference between stating that you will "disincentive" leaving and punish a nation for making the choice is entirely in perception, it doesn't make people in Britain want to stay, it just makes them scared to leave and angry (A nationalist being told not to do something by a threat hasn't really worked in the past) which eventually just cements itself as solid anger.
TL;DR:
Threats are to making people cooperate, as pouring copious amounts of venom into a wound is to healing.
Also, the actual case that matters here is Sulanian Independence, which is literally a matter that could be punished as Bax just said.
The dude has work and school, you know. It could also have been that he had to go?
I again point to the two ideas that I gave that could pretty easily satisfy most of the SNP -if given right- and wouldn't really steal too much from the Reich in the long term.
I hope that last comment was to the US question, and not the Sulanian one.
Ah you too support "Yes for California Independence"
Who cares if the EU punishes Britain anyway? They made their bed so need to lie in it. The EU owes them jack sh!t.
I support any self-determination movement if there is sufficient desire for one.
Vista Major, Yukona
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