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Killdash wrote:Preach it. I really think we need an "Annoy Jas Day" where we just try to get him to crack, just once. Or perhaps that's a bad idea, perhaps unleashing all that contained rage would cause an NS apocalypse.

Perhaps that's actually the cause of the Zombie epidemic. Jas letting off steam.

Jas' annual NS Purge. It all makes sense now.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:Oh how the ages have taught me. In fact, the only constancy I've known since day one is Jaslandia, who hasn't changed in presentation or tone really at all, to me.

Nuremgard wrote:Jas is the perpetually rational and non-confrontational one. It's almost annoying how cool and collected he is. (Mean that in the nicest way, Jas, love ya)

I appreciate that. Thank you. I apologize if I've ever annoyed you or anyone else.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Jas' annual NS Purge. It all makes sense now.

I wouldn't do something like that just to blow off steam. If I wanted to release my anger, I would stand in front of a mirror and rant about Donald Trump.

Nuremgard, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:I appreciate that. Thank you. I apologize if I've ever annoyed you or anyone else.

You've never annoyed me nor will you ever. I know that for a fact.

Jaslandia wrote:I wouldn't do something like that just to blow off steam. If I wanted to release my anger, I would stand in front of a mirror and rant about Donald Trump.

I'm getting a bit numb towards Trump now.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I'm getting a bit numb towards Trump now.

Easy for you in Scotland to say; for someone who lives in the United States, and would be becoming an adult in the early years of a Trump presidency, the idea of him being president is much more frightening. Granted, I'm not the biggest fan of Hillary Clinton, but at this point, I would vote for a literal dumpster on fire if I thought it could beat Trump.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms

Jaslandia wrote:Easy for you in Scotland to say; for someone who lives in the United States, and would be becoming an adult in the early years of a Trump presidency, the idea of him being president is much more frightening. Granted, I'm not the biggest fan of Hillary Clinton, but at this point, I would vote for a literal dumpster on fire if I thought it could beat Trump.

Trump is a wanker, aye but from what I've heard, Clinton wants war with Russia. We all know how that would turn out. So I'm sh!tting my pants a wee bit over here. Since Scotland houses Britain's nuclear weapons, in the event of WW3, the first place that will be blown off the map will be my wee country.

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:Easy for you in Scotland to say; for someone who lives in the United States, and would be becoming an adult in the early years of a Trump presidency, the idea of him being president is much more frightening. Granted, I'm not the biggest fan of Hillary Clinton, but at this point, I would vote for a literal dumpster on fire if I thought it could beat Trump.

I, begrudgingly, agree.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Perhaps you're right. If only I was as Zen as you are.

It's called being Canadian. I punched one in the face and it apologized. Their freaks of nature man ::p

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Trump is a wanker, aye but from what I've heard, Clinton wants war with Russia. We all know how that would turn out. So I'm sh!tting my pants a wee bit over here. Since Scotland houses Britain's nuclear weapons, in the event of WW3, the first place that will be blown off the map will be my wee country.

Clinton is many things, but I don't think insane is one of them. I think she's stable and level-headed enough to realize a war with Russia wouldn't be good for anyone. Trump, on the other hand, is the exact opposite of sane and level-headed, so I'm worried he's more likely to go to war with Russia.

Jaslandia wrote:Clinton is many things, but I don't think insane is one of them. I think she's stable and level-headed enough to realize a war with Russia wouldn't be good for anyone. Trump, on the other hand, is the exact opposite of sane and level-headed, so I'm worried he's more likely to go to war with Russia.

I'm not so sure. She wants a no-fly zone over Syria. In order for that to happen, war needs to be declared on Syria. And by extension, on Russia.

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:I'm not so sure. She wants a no-fly zone over Syria. In order for that to happen, war needs to be declared on Syria. And by extension, on Russia.

I think Syria would be more of a Cold War-style proxy war, rather than a direct war. I think (or, at least hope) both sides realize a direct confrontation would be too impractical and costly.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm not so sure. She wants a no-fly zone over Syria. In order for that to happen, war needs to be declared on Syria. And by extension, on Russia.

War doesn't need to be declared on Syria. We've established no fly zones during humanitarian missions. We're not going to declare war on Russia either. Only Congress can declare war.

Jaslandia wrote:I think Syria would be more of a Cold War-style proxy war, rather than a direct war. I think (or, at least hope) both sides realize a direct confrontation would be too impractical and costly.

God I hope so. I just wish the West would withdraw from Syria or help Russia and the Syrian Government defeat the rebels. But it wont happen.

Aldaur wrote:War doesn't need to be declared on Syria. We've established no fly zones during humanitarian missions. We're not going to declare war on Russia either. Only Congress can declare war.

I just hope with all my heart it does not come to war.

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:I think Syria would be more of a Cold War-style proxy war, rather than a direct war. I think (or, at least hope) both sides realize a direct confrontation would be too impractical and costly.

Russia wouldn't dare because they know they don't stand a chance. It's not even funny how vastly superior our military is to theirs.

Aldaur wrote:It's called being Canadian. I punched one in the face and it apologized. Their freaks of nature man ::p

*eats cereal while the States all but burn to the ground during their regularly scheduled election*

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Russia wouldn't dare because they know they don't stand a chance. It's not even funny how vastly superior our military is to theirs.

I seriously dislike the way the West has been treating Russia recently. They are antagonizing the Russian bear. It will bite back eventually.

Like I read today that Russia was denied a seat on the UN Human Rights Council but thanks to UK lobbying, Saudi Arabia got a seat. F*cking Saudi Arabia. The psychotic despots who chop people's heads off and oppress women got a seat on the freaking Human Rights Council over Russia? Are you kidding me?

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:God I hope so. I just wish the West would withdraw from Syria or help Russia and the Syrian Government defeat the rebels. But it wont happen.

I just hope with all my heart it does not come to war.

After giving a briefing on the whole thing and by extension, researching the crap out of it, I believe we should aid the Syrian Democratic Forces (what many people refer to as the Kurds, even though they only make up 60% of the alliance). They want a federalist and democratic Syria and have already declared an autonomous federation in northern Syria. They also the most moderate element in the Syrian opposition, mainly fighting ISIS and Al-Nusra Front (Al-Qaeda linked Jihadists), and fight Assad as a secondary enemy. Unlike the Free Syrian Army, they do not work with independent Islamist opposition groups like Arhar al-sham or with affiliated islamist groups like the Islamic Front (backed Saudi Arabia).

At first, I was in support of Assad because it is simple to have a dictator in power rather than all these different groups. But Assad is a horrible person who unleashes chemical weapons on his own people when they protest the killings of a few teenage boys who expressed a want for democracy on facebook. On a more practical note, it is also unacceptable to have Assad stay in power, as he is a puppet of Russia and Iran. That's right, even though Iran officially says there is no involvement in Syria, in 2014, they gave $15 million to Assad's regime. They have also been training Syrian troops and sent their Quds Force Commander Qasem Suliemani to lead the effort. In addition, Iranian-backed Hezbollah fighters from Lebanon have entered into Syria to assist Assad's government. So the Iranians are heavily involved.

It should be clear though, that the only group we should support is the Syrian Democratic Forces. We should be arming them, training them, providing intel to them and airstrikes for them, as well as some special forces to fight alongside them. We should not support the Free Syrian Army who works with radical islamist groups that attack western coalition forces and have targeted the Alawites for their ethnic relations to Assad, which ultimately created the Shabiha, a pro-government Alawite milita group.

So plan of action:

- Esrablish no fly zone in Northern Syria to protect Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) and another one in southern Syria that refugees can go to.

- Supply SDF with food, armaments, medicine and whatever else they need.

- Send SDF military advisors and people to train their troops.

- Send in US Special Forces to fight along side SDF

- Provide intel to SDF

- Perform airstrikes on ISIS and Al-Nusra Front, the no flyzones should stop Russian bombings and ground Assad's air force.

- Protect UN forces so they can deliver humanitarian aid to refugees.

- Cut off supply routes between Russia and Damascus

- Put sanctions on Russia and Iran to cripple their economy.

- Once ISIS is defeated, help SDF gain more territory in Syria and part of Kurdish Iraq.

- Offer Assad a chance to step down before we take him out.

- Once Assad is removed from power, US forces move in to secure Syria, allow SDF to take control and hold elections. We have a Marshal Plan-esque type deal in Syria

- US Forces reoccupy Iraq, partition it in 3 parts along ethnic likes and allow the Kurds from Syria and Iraq to create their own Kurdish state.

- Stay there until Iraq, Syria, and Kurdistan is stable and economically prosperous, and democratic. That could take decades, but we need to do it right.

Nuremgard wrote:I seriously dislike the way the West has been treating Russia recently. They are antagonizing the Russian bear. It will bite back eventually.

Like I read today that Russia was denied a seat on the UN Human Rights Council but thanks to UK lobbying, Saudi Arabia got a seat. F*cking Saudi Arabia. The psychotic despots who chop people's heads off and oppress women got a seat on the freaking Human Rights Council over Russia? Are you kidding me?

We antagonize Russia because they are a rival that wants to sway the international stage like we [the US] do. The difference is that they are illiberal and also oppress people.

I am in agreement that Saudi Arabia shouldn't be there though. We should not kowtow or appease to Russia though. Putin will take every inch you give him. We never should have allowed him to stay in Ukraine.

Aldaur wrote:After giving a briefing

I don't care that Russia or Iran are involved in the fighting. If the West can involve itself then those two nations sure as hell can, especially Russia since they have been invited into the country by the legitimate Syrian government. I don't know much about Asaad but from what I heard, the whole chemical gas thing is just more propaganda to demonise him. The majority of people in Syria support Asaad because they feel safe under him (given that he's a secularist, he is not prone to persecuting particular religious groups.) Asaad may be a dictator but countries like Syria need dictators to keep them orderly. Who they have in power is none of our business. We need to stop this petulant bullsh!t of "regime change" just because a country has a leader we don't like. It's akin to China invading America and implementing "regime change" because they don't like who the American people voted in as President. It's ludicrous in the extreme.

I abhor the West's intervention in Middle Eastern states. Leave them to their own devices. If we must intervene in Syria, let it be on the side of its government and Russia, that way we don't start WW3 over some damn country in the Middle East that most people don't know much about. We must remember that the West has a vested interest in Syria's oil reserves. That's the only reason regime change is being pushed for.

However, it is far past the time that the Kurds were given their own nation. The UN needs to work on that one pronto.

Aldaur wrote:We antagonize Russia because they are a rival that wants to sway the international stage like we [the US] do. The difference is that they are illiberal and also oppress people.

I am in agreement that Saudi Arabia shouldn't be there though. We should not kowtow or appease to Russia though. Putin will take every inch you give him. We never should have allowed him to stay in Ukraine.

Why is it okay for the US to throw its weight around the world stage but not Russia?

Nuremgard wrote:Why is it okay for the US to throw its weight around the world stage but not Russia?

Because we are trying to spread democracy and improve the living standards of people's nations. Sure, we get quid pro quo too, but Russia wants the same thing we do (resources), except they will support terrible dictators to do it.

Nuremgard wrote:I don't know much about Asaad but from what I heard, the whole chemical gas thing is just more propaganda to demonise him. The majority of people in Syria support Asaad because they feel safe under him (given that he's a secularist, he is not prone to persecuting particular religious groups.)

In regards to the chemical weapons, they were absolutely used. The best case scenario was that one of Assad's generals did it without his permission, which suggests he does not have as much control as he'd like us all to think. The worst case and most realistic scenario is that he ordered it and then denied it.

Yes....so many Syrians support him, that's why most of northern Syria has declared autonomy, that's why people protested and rebeled in 2011, that's why part of the military separated and created the Free Syrian Army, that's here there are over 30 different factions in Syria fighting Assad, that's why refugees are fleeing from his rule. I'm sorry Nurem, but you may have bought into Russia's propaganda in your effort of trying to find alternative news.

Nuremgard wrote:that way we don't start WW3 over some damn country in the Middle East that most people don't know much about.

Now that's just being dramatic. WW3 is not going to start because of Syria and Russia wouldn't be on the map if they warred with us. I know we like to paint Russia as this big menace, but they wouldn't stand a chance against our military.

Nuremgard wrote:

If we wanted oil, we could just take it from them. We could have done that in Iraq when we were there, but we didn't, and now ISIS controls those oil fields. That doesn't mean we don't want resources. We just pay for them, after we invest trillions of dollars into nation-building so they are stable enough to have an adequate market to trade with.

UN can't do anything. If we side with Assad, there will be no hope for a Kurdish State. The SDF is their greatest chance and Assad wants to eliminate them.

Aldaur wrote:Because we are trying to spread democracy and improve the living standards of people's nations. Sure, we get quid pro quo too, but Russia wants the same thing we do (resources), except they will support terrible dictators to do it.

That is BS. The US does not want to spread democracy and improve people's living standards. The US just pretends to do this in order to protect its political and economic interests overseas. I thought an intelligent person like you would know this rather than buy the "democracy and peace." crap.

[quote]In regards to the chemical weapons, they were absolutely used. The best case scenario was that one of Assad's generals did it without his permission, which suggests he does not have as much control as he'd like us all to think. The worst case and most realistic scenario is that he ordered it and then denied it.[/quote]

I have done some research. Yeah, Asaad is a bastard. But many nations are ran by bastards. Is the US gonna' "regime change" them all? If so, that shows a disregard for the idea of national sovereignty.

Yes....so many Syrians support him, that's why most of northern Syria has declared autonomy, that's why people protested and rebeled in 2011, that's why part of the military separated and created the Free Syrian Army, that's here there are over 30 different factions in Syria fighting Assad, that's why refugees are fleeing from his rule. I'm sorry Nurem, but you may have bought into Russia's propaganda in your effort of trying to find alternative news.[/quote]

And you've clearly bought into the propaganda of the US caring oh so much about Syria's people and wanting to free them. Yeah, they care so much that they are supporting extremist Islamic groups just so that they can protect their interests in Syria's oil reserves.

[quote]Now that's just being dramatic. WW3 is not going to start because of Syria and Russia wouldn't be on the map if they warred with us. I know we like to paint Russia as this big menace, but they wouldn't stand a chance against our military.[/quote]

How do you know this? This is arrogant. Russia is allies with China. Those two nations combined would be more than a match for the US and its allies. Also, how do you know WW3 wont start over Syria? Wars have been started for less in history.

Nuremgard wrote:

If we wanted oil, we could just take it from them. We could have done that in Iraq when we were there, but we didn't, and now ISIS controls those oil fields. That doesn't mean we don't want resources. We just pay for them, after we invest trillions of dollars into nation-building so they are stable enough to have an adequate market to trade with.

UN can't do anything. If we side with Assad, there will be no hope for a Kurdish State. The SDF is their greatest chance and Assad wants to eliminate them.

You'll just take them will you? Is that how you feel? That the US is so mighty that it can take what it wants from other nations? You do realise that this kind of attitude is why many people the world over despise the US?

Nuremgard wrote:That is BS. The US does not want to spread democracy and improve people's living standards. The US just pretends to do this in order to protect its political and economic interests overseas. I thought an intelligent person like you would know this rather than buy the "democracy and peace." crap.

[quote]In regards to the chemical weapons, they were absolutely used. The best case scenario was that one of Assad's generals did it without his permission, which suggests he does not have as much control as he'd like us all to think. The worst case and most realistic scenario is that he ordered it and then denied it.

I have done some research. Yeah, Asaad is a bastard. But many nations are ran by bastards. Is the US gonna' "regime change" them all? If so, that shows a disregard for the idea of national sovereignty.

Yes....so many Syrians support him, that's why most of northern Syria has declared autonomy, that's why people protested and rebeled in 2011, that's why part of the military separated and created the Free Syrian Army, that's here there are over 30 different factions in Syria fighting Assad, that's why refugees are fleeing from his rule. I'm sorry Nurem, but you may have bought into Russia's propaganda in your effort of trying to find alternative news.[/quote]

And you've clearly bought into the propaganda of the US caring oh so much about Syria's people and wanting to free them. Yeah, they care so much that they are supporting extremist Islamic groups just so that they can protect their interests in Syria's oil reserves.

[quote]Now that's just being dramatic. WW3 is not going to start because of Syria and Russia wouldn't be on the map if they warred with us. I know we like to paint Russia as this big menace, but they wouldn't stand a chance against our military.[/quote]

How do you know this? This is arrogant. Russia is allies with China. Those two nations combined would be more than a match for the US and its allies. Also, how do you know WW3 wont start over Syria? Wars have been started for less in history.

You'll just take them will you? Is that how you feel? That the US is so mighty that it can take what it wants from other nations? You do realise that this kind of attitude is why many people the world over despise the US? [/quote]

Hey know, you know I'm down for letting dictators run their country how they want.

Far as I'm concerned, spoon feeding democracy to a nation is as effective as the British plan to tax tea going to the colony of America...

It doesn't work, is what I'm saying.

Kalaron wrote:

Hey know, you know I'm down for letting dictators run their country how they want.

Far as I'm concerned, spoon feeding democracy to a nation is as effective as the British plan to tax tea going to the colony of America...

It doesn't work, is what I'm saying.

Damn it broken quotes

Kalaron wrote:Hey know, you know I'm down for letting dictators run their country how they want.

Far as I'm concerned, spoon feeding democracy to a nation is as effective as the British plan to tax tea going to the colony of America...

It doesn't work, is what I'm saying.

I agree. Nations can only be changed from within. Outside liberators more often than not turn out to be conquerors.

Nuremgard wrote:That is BS. The US does not want to spread democracy and improve people's living standards. The US just pretends to do this in order to protect its political and economic interests overseas. I thought an intelligent person like you would know this rather than buy the "democracy and peace." crap.

Whether we pretend or not, it is a byproduct of what we do. Here are some examples. Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. There has never been an instance where Russian interests have aligned with the people's interest in the nations they are involved in.

Nuremgard wrote:I have done some research. Yeah, Asaad is a bastard. But many nations are ran by bastards. Is the US gonna' "regime change" them all? If so, that shows a disregard for the idea of national sovereignty

America is not run by any ideological principles above the idea of liberty for all. Dictatorships do not entail liberty, so it is fitting for a democratic power to pursue this course of action. I am personally not in favor of regime change in most instances, but when we are already so involved, we might as well. Especially when the alternative is making ur rivals stronger and giving them more power to influence the region some more.

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, they care so much that they are supporting extremist Islamic groups just so that they can protect their interests in Syria's oil reserves.

How do you know this? This is arrogant. Russia is allies with China. Those two nations combined would be more than a match for the US and its allies. Also, how do you know WW3 wont start over Syria? Wars have been started for less in history.

You'll just take them will you? Is that how you feel? That the US is so mighty that it can take what it wants from other nations? You do realise that this kind of attitude is why many people the world over despise the US?

Like I said, we should support the SDF, who are not islamists, fight the islamists and are the most moderate element in the Syrian opposition. I don't support supporting extremists or people affiliated with the extremists like the Free Syrian Army. That's why we should support the SDF and only them.

We spend vastly more on our military budget than China and Russia combined. Our technology is far beyond what they are capable of. Our military is much better trained than theirs. If you look at the statistics, you look at history, and you see the types of things the US military does and has, you will understand that there has never been a military so powerful in the history of the world. We have bases so close to their homeland that it scares them, and many more to reinforce those areas. The best case scenario for them is that we get tired, quit and leave them alone. They have no hope of defeating us, especially if they even attempt to get to the American homeland, which would be a significantly harder fight. That is if America did it alone, but the fact is that we also have allies that provide some military support, but most importantly, financial support. That's another thing, we are vastly wealthier than they are, so we can innovate much faster than they can. If you think our military industrial complex is big now, just wait until we're in a real war. Other countries don't stand a chance. That isn't arrogant, that is just the reality. I'm not saying America is the greatest ever, but when it comes to our military capacity, only an idiot would think someone could defeat us militarily right now.

In another note, China is not stupid and they know they have no chance of defeating us (nor would they want to because their economy would collapse with out us). That's why they are focusing on economic development rather than direct military and political engagement like the Russians.

In regards to resources, the reality is that if we wanted to, we can take whatever we want. The only thing that stops us is ourselves. That, and we want to be liked by everyone.

Aldaur wrote:Whether we pretend or not, it is a byproduct of what we do. Here are some examples. Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan,

Just gonna note, Germany was a multi-national front in democracy, actually.

SK was a military rule nation before we got there, and has just been revealed to have had a shadow government, and Taiwan was a republican backed area since the Chinese Republican forces retreated there and got stuck.

Oh, and I just made Peng a warship.

First one that worked!

Aldaur wrote:Whether we pretend or not, it is a byproduct of what we do. Here are some examples. Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. There has never been an instance where Russian interests have aligned with the people's interest in the nations they are involved in.

America is not run by any ideological principles above the idea of liberty for all. Dictatorships do not entail liberty, so it is fitting for a democratic power to pursue this course of action. I am personally not in favor of regime change in most instances, but when we are already so involved, we might as well. Especially when the alternative is making ur rivals stronger and giving them more power to influence the region some more.

Like I said, we should support the SDF, who are not islamists, fight the islamists and are the most moderate element in the Syrian opposition. I don't support supporting extremists or people affiliated with the extremists like the Free Syrian Army. That's why we should support the SDF and only them.

We spend vastly more on our military budget than China and Russia combined. Our technology is far beyond what they are capable of. Our military is much better trained than theirs. If you look at the statistics, you look at history, and you see the types of things the US military does and has, you will understand that there has never been a military so powerful in the history of the world. We have bases so close to their homeland that it scares them, and many more to reinforce those areas. The best case scenario for them is that we get tired, quit and leave them alone. They have no hope of defeating us, especially if they even attempt to get to the American homeland, which would be a significantly harder fight. That is if America did it alone, but the fact is that we also have allies that provide some military support, but most importantly, financial support. That's another thing, we are vastly wealthier than they are, so we can innovate much faster than they can. If you think our military industrial complex is big now, just wait until we're in a real war. Other countries don't stand a chance. That isn't arrogant, that is just the reality. I'm not saying America is the greatest ever, but when it comes to our military capacity, only an idiot would think someone could defeat us militarily right now.

In another note, China is not stupid and they know they have no chance of defeating us (nor would they want to because their economy would collapse with out us). That's why they are focusing on economic development rather than direct military and political engagement like the Russians.

In regards to resources, the reality is that if we wanted to, we can take whatever we want. The only thing that stops us is ourselves. That, and we want to be liked by everyone.

You want to be liked by everyone? You're certainly going about it in a very strange way, And if you seriously believe the only ideology driving American foreign policy is "liberty for all" then you're naive in the extreme. I still say we should stop arming all the rebels and let the civil war play out without us. But if we absolutely have to intervene then I suppose supporting the SDF is the best option.

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:You want to be liked by everyone? You're certainly going about it in a very strange way, And if you seriously believe the only ideology driving American foreign policy is "liberty for all" then you're naive in the extreme. I still say we should stop arming all the rebels and let the civil war play out without us. But if we absolutely have to intervene then I suppose supporting the SDF is the best option.

I think we shouldn't care about what other people think. Just do what solely benefits us. We do a lot of things that does not benefit us directly, and what does benefit us typically benefits others as well. I am saying we have no ideological prerogative that stops us from intervening in things. The general American citizen believes we are spreading democracy and our politicians use it as rhetoric, but of course what we do is for selfish reasons. I know that is what you want to hear Nurem. The US is selfish. But here is the thing, we help others by accident when we are being selfish. We want your resources to make us rich. So what do we do? Pour money into you to build roads and bridges so you can get your stuff to us. This generates their economy. More wealth means more stability. Stability, wealth and foreign pressure means democracy. So things work out.

It wouldn't just play out because other countries would be there. I'd be fine if Russia, Iran, ISIS and Al-Qaeda were not all there. Then we could let it play out like other civil wars we don't get involved in. There is a reason why we are there though, and it's mainly because of the many foreign actors.

Aldaur wrote:I think we shouldn't care about what other people think. Just do what solely benefits us. We do a lot of things that does not benefit us directly, and what does benefit us typically benefits others as well. I am saying we have no ideological prerogative that stops us from intervening in things. The general American citizen believes we are spreading democracy and our politicians use it as rhetoric, but of course what we do is for selfish reasons. I know that is what you want to hear Nurem. The US is selfish. But here is the thing, we help others by accident when we are being selfish. We want your resources to make us rich. So what do we do? Pour money into you to build roads and bridges so you can get your stuff to us. This generates their economy. More wealth means more stability. Stability, wealth and foreign pressure means democracy. So things work out.

It wouldn't just play out because other countries would be there. I'd be fine if Russia, Iran, ISIS and Al-Qaeda were not all there. Then we could let it play out like other civil wars we don't get involved in. There is a reason why we are there though, and it's mainly because of the many foreign actors.

Please do not try to justify your country's selfishness with you "accidentally" helping people. Every nation has self-interest. That's fact. Just don't try to dress it up as anything benevolent.

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Please do not try to justify your country's selfishness with you "accidentally" helping people. Every nation has self-interest. That's fact. Just don't try to dress it up as anything benevolent.

The world is more peaceful than it has ever been in world history. The west has become far wealthier and more developed as a result of our selfish investments. The West is far more secure than ever before because we want to protect our investments. That security is what allows globalization to happen. Because we selfishly wanted to defeat the Communist threat, we started the Marshal Plan, which poured trillions into Germany. We also innovated everything from magnificent weapons to household appliances. We caused the space race to happen between us, which propelled humanity into space for the first time. We have done so much as a result of being selfish.

So yea, we're accidentally pretty fvcking benevolent lol

But this isn't about our intentions. Who cares why who is where. What concerns me is who will win in the result of this war and I believe we need to help the SDF do that.

Aldaur wrote:The world is more peaceful than it has ever been in world history. The west has become far wealthier and more developed as a result of our selfish investments. The West is far more secure than ever before because we want to protect our investments. That security is what allows globalization to happen. Because we selfishly wanted to defeat the Communist threat, we started the Marshal Plan, which poured trillions into Germany. We also innovated everything from magnificent weapons to household appliances. We caused the space race to happen between us, which propelled humanity into space for the first time. We have done so much as a result of being selfish.

So yea, we're accidentally pretty fvcking benevolent lol

But this isn't about our intentions. Who cares why who is where. What concerns me is who will win in the result of this war and I believe we need to help the SDF do that.

Yeah, the world is so secure that the ME is in an absolute mess and the Islamic version of the Nazis are running riot. Well done, America.

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah, the world is so secure that the ME is in an absolute mess and the Islamic version of the Nazis are running riot. Well done, America.

Europe hasn't one to war with one another since WW2, which is incredibly unusual and if you look at history, Europe started most of the major conflicts that affected the most people.

There hasn't been direct interstate conflict since the Korean War up until the Gulf War. Our biggest threats come from internal conflicts and terrorism. While scary and threatening, are no where near as dangerous or destructive as interstate wars. So yea, the world is a lot safer despite the media blasting everything in your face every single second. Same thing with crime. Even though people are far more scared of crime now, crime is at a national all time low in the US since the mid 90s. Perception vs reality.

It looks like I have the lowest crime rate in the region. I'm quite proud of that.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:It looks like I have the lowest crime rate in the region. I'm quite proud of that.

I have the 58th-lowest crime rate in the region. Why are my people so violent? I thought my people were really useful.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:I have the 58th-lowest crime rate in the region. Why are my people so violent? I thought my people were really useful.

"5 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, burglary is widely regarded as the national sport."

"13 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, kids laugh off vandalism and arson as "just fun"."

Maybe that has something to do with it. Percy, I know you're a nice engine by nature, but when it comes to crime, you need to be a little less forgiving. It's for the good of everyone.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:"5 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, burglary is widely regarded as the national sport."

"13 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, kids laugh off vandalism and arson as "just fun"."

Maybe that has something to do with it. Percy, I know you're a nice engine by nature, but when it comes to crime, you need to be a little less forgiving. It's for the good of everyone.

He needs to flog those engines :p

Jaslandia

sh!tman

doing this on a tablet

oh, and fvck autocorrect

Jaslandia wrote:"5 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, burglary is widely regarded as the national sport."

"13 days ago: Following new legislation in Percyton, kids laugh off vandalism and arson as "just fun"."

Maybe that has something to do with it. Percy, I know you're a nice engine by nature, but when it comes to crime, you need to be a little less forgiving. It's for the good of everyone.

I can't solve crime nicely?

Aldaur wrote:He needs to flog those engines :p

Flog? *Driver explains what flogging is* Oh my! That seems really painful for humans, and it would probably hurt engines too.

Besides, James just got me the crime statistics, and he said it's humans committing more crimes, not engines. The engines must be too busy being really useful.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:I can't solve crime nicely?

Flog? *Driver explains what flogging is* Oh my! That seems really painful for humans, and it would probably hurt engines too.

Besides, James just got me the crime statistics, and he said it's humans committing more crimes, not engines. The engines must be too busy being really useful.

Than just kill the humans, as we are an inferior species.

Percyton

Aldaur wrote:Than just kill the humans, as we are an inferior species.

Who will pay the fares then?

Aldaur, Percyton

Killdash wrote:Who will pay the fares then?

Tax the engines so they can have universal transportation coverage :p

Percyton

Aldaur wrote:Tax the engines so they can have universal transportation coverage :p

But with no humans, how will the engines get geld?

Aldaur, Percyton

Guys, I think we need a zombie plan. Like, some of us should research military, some should research cure missiles.

Killdash wrote:But with no humans, how will the engines get geld?

More automation. They may have needed us once, but they need us no longer.

Killdash wrote:Guys, I think we need a zombie plan. Like, some of us should research military, some should research cure missiles.

I'm following my plan. Escape to secure and isolated region, cure myself. Win.

Percyton

Aldaur wrote:More automation. They may have needed us once, but they need us no longer.

I'm following my plan. Escape to secure and isolated region, cure myself. Win.

I guess, international trade is still allowed.

Then return and save your old pal Killdash from even more death than usual. Interesting how the Zombie Apocalypse will be in the assassin nation. Maybe an economic upturn.

Aldaur

Killdash wrote:I guess, international trade is still allowed.

Then return and save your old pal Killdash from even more death than usual. Interesting how the Zombie Apocalypse will be in the assassin nation. Maybe an economic upturn.

I've already set up my safezone. Will be leaving tomorrow! Anyways! Night!

Killdash

Aldaur wrote:I've already set up my safezone. Will be leaving tomorrow! Anyways! Night!

Jk, leaving now since it starts in 10hrs. I sleep longer than that:p

So... i guess i should make my own safe zone too.

Aldaur wrote:Jk, leaving now since it starts in 10hrs. I sleep longer than that:p

Ald no!!!!!!!

I will bravely not leave the region. Also I don't want to set up a new region.

But mainly bravery.

Greater Banitia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Ok. I am going to sleep now. There is a good chance I will sleep past the opening of Z-Day. So...watch Tse's back. K? :P

Love you all. :D

Jaslandia, Greater Banitia, Penguania And Antarctica

If we die, we die together.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:If we die, we die together.

Damn straight.

We'll get through this.

Can someone activate the lockdown when it happens?

Lets keep zombie raiders out?

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Damn straight.

We'll get through this.

Can someone activate the lockdown when it happens?

Lets keep zombie raiders out?

Founder peeps?

Killdash wrote:Founder peeps?

If no one does, I will.

Don't worry, I'll give the password to those who left for their Temp regions.

I just really don't even want to think about touching that button >.>

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:If no one does, I will.

Don't worry, I'll give the password to those who left for their Temp regions.

I just really don't even want to think about touching that button >.>

Unless some people have arguments against that?

Want to make sure people aren't sitting there grimacing.

Hello dudes. A bit late today but it's Sunday so I take things easy.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Anniversary of the Declaration of the Slovak Nation (Slovakia)

- Beggars Night (multiple regions of the United States)

- Checklist Day

- Create A Great Funeral Day

- Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Political Repressions (former Soviet republics, except Ukraine)

- Devil's Night (Michigan, United States)

- Diwali/Deepavali (Indonesia, India, Mauritius, Pakistan, Suriname)

- Gobardhan Pooja (Nepal)

- Indonesian Banknote Day (Indonesia)

- International Orthopaedic Nurses Day

- Laxmi Puja (Nepal)

- Mischief Night (United States and Canada)

- National Candy Corn Day (United States)

- National Publicist Day (United States)

- National Speak Up For Service Day (United States)

- Thevar Jayanthi (Thevar community, India)

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 637 - Antioch surrenders to the Muslim forces under Rashidun Caliphate after the Battle of the Iron Bridge.

- 1270 - The Eighth Crusade and siege of Tunis end by an agreement between Charles I of Sicily (brother to King Louis IX of France, who had died months earlier) and the sultan of Tunis.

- 1485 - King Henry VII of England is crowned.

- 1657 - Spanish forces fail to retake Jamaica at the Battle of Ocho Rios during the Anglo-Spanish War.

- 1806 - Believing he is facing a much larger force, Prussian Lieutenant General Friedrich von Romberg, commanding 5,300 men, surrendered the city of Stettin to 800 French soldiers commanded by General Lassalle.

- 1817 - The independent government of Venezuela is established by Simón Bolívar.

- 1831 - In Southampton County, Virginia, escaped slave Nat Turner is captured and arrested for leading the bloodiest slave rebellion in United States history.

- 1863 - Danish Prince Vilhelm arrives in Athens to assume his throne as George I, King of the Hellenes.

- 1864 - Helena, Montana is founded after four prospectors discover gold at "Last Chance Gulch".

- 1888 - Rudd Concession granted by King Lobengula of Matabeleland to agents of Cecil Rhodes led by Charles Rudd.

- 1905 - Czar Nicholas II of Russia issues the October Manifesto, granting the Russian peoples basic civil liberties and the right to form a duma.

- 1918 - The Ottoman Empire signs an armistice with the Allies, ending the First World War in the Middle East.

- 1920 - The Communist Party of Australia is founded in Sydney.

- 1925 - John Logie Baird creates Britain's first television transmitter.

- 1929 - The Stuttgart Cable Car is constructed in Stuttgart, Germany.

- 1938 - Orson Welles broadcasts his radio play of H. G. Wells's The War of the Worlds, causing anxiety in some of the audience in the United States.

- 1941 - One thousand and five hundred Jews from Pidhaytsi (in western Ukraine) are sent by Nazis to Bełżec extermination camp.

- 1942 - Lt. Tony Fasson, Able Seaman Colin Grazier and canteen assistant Tommy Brown from HMS Petard board U-559, retrieving material which would lead to the decryption of the German Enigma code.

- 1944 - Anne and Margot Frank are deported from Auschwitz to the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they die from disease the following year, shortly before the end of WWII.

- 1947 - The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which is the foundation of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), is founded.

- 1950 - Pope Pius XII witnesses the "Miracle of the Sun" while at the Vatican.

- 1953 - Cold War: U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower formally approves the top secret document National Security Council Paper No. 162/2, which states that the United States' arsenal of nuclear weapons must be maintained and expanded to counter the communist threat.

- 1960 - Michael Woodruff performs the first successful kidney transplant in the United Kingdom at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

- 1961 - Nuclear testing: The Soviet Union detonates the hydrogen bomb Tsar Bomba over Novaya Zemlya; at 50 megatons of yield, it remains the largest explosive device ever detonated, nuclear or otherwise.

- 1965 - English model Jean Shrimpton causes a global sensation by wearing a daring white minidress to Derby Day at Flemington Racecourse in Melbourne, Australia.

- 1973 - The Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul, Turkey is completed, connecting the continents of Europe and Asia over the Bosphorus for the second time.

- 1974 - The Rumble in the Jungle boxing match between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman takes place in Kinshasa, Zaire. Ali wins by KO in the eighth round, regaining the title of World Heavyweight Champion and causing Foreman´s first professional defeat.

- 1975 - Prince Juan Carlos becomes Spain's acting head of state, taking over for the country's ailing dictator, Gen. Francisco Franco.

- 1980 - El Salvador and Honduras sign a peace treaty to put the border dispute fought over in 1969's Football War before the International Court of Justice.

- 1983 - The first democratic elections in Argentina after seven years of military rule are held.

- 1985 - Space Shuttle Challenger lifts off for mission STS-61-A, its final successful mission.

- 1987 - In Japan, NEC releases the first 16-bit (fourth generation) video game console, the PC Engine, which is later sold in other markets under the name TurboGrafx-16.

- 1995 - Quebec citizens narrowly vote (50.58% to 49.42%) in favour of remaining a province of Canada in their second referendum on national sovereignty.

- 2005 - The rebuilt Dresden Frauenkirche (destroyed in the firebombing of Dresden during World War II) is reconsecrated after a thirteen-year rebuilding project.

- 2014 - Sweden is the first European Union member state to officially recognize the State of Palestine.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 39 BC - Julia the Elder, Roman daughter of Augustus

- 1735 - John Adams, American lawyer and politician, 2nd President of the United States

- 1785 - Hermann, Fürst von Pückler-Muskau, German nobleman, author and landscape architect

- 1882 - William Halsey, Jr., American admira

- 1882 - Günther von Kluge, Polish-German field marshal

- 1885 - Ezra Pound, American poet and critic

- 1895 - Gerhard Domagk, German pathologist and bacteriologist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1906 - Giuseppe Farina, Italian race car driver

- 1928 - Daniel Nathans, American microbiologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1941 - Theodor W. Hänsch, German physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1960 - Diego Maradona, Argentinian footballer, coach, and manager

- 1973 - Edge, Canadian wrestler and actor

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it.

- Pablo Picasso -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Tserra

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Hello dudes. A bit late today but it's Sunday so I take things easy.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Anniversary of the Declaration of the Slovak Nation (Slovakia)

- Beggars Night (multiple regions of the United States)

- Checklist Day

- Create A Great Funeral Day

- Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Political Repressions (former Soviet republics, except Ukraine)

- Devil's Night (Michigan, United States)

- Diwali/Deepavali (Indonesia, India, Mauritius, Pakistan, Suriname)

- Gobardhan Pooja (Nepal)

- Indonesian Banknote Day (Indonesia)

- International Orthopaedic Nurses Day

- Laxmi Puja (Nepal)

- Mischief Night (United States and Canada)

- National Candy Corn Day (United States)

- National Publicist Day (United States)

- National Speak Up For Service Day (United States)

- Thevar Jayanthi (Thevar community, India)

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 637 - Antioch surrenders to the Muslim forces under Rashidun Caliphate after the Battle of the Iron Bridge.

- 1270 - The Eighth Crusade and siege of Tunis end by an agreement between Charles I of Sicily (brother to King Louis IX of France, who had died months earlier) and the sultan of Tunis.

- 1485 - King Henry VII of England is crowned.

- 1657 - Spanish forces fail to retake Jamaica at the Battle of Ocho Rios during the Anglo-Spanish War.

- 1806 - Believing he is facing a much larger force, Prussian Lieutenant General Friedrich von Romberg, commanding 5,300 men, surrendered the city of Stettin to 800 French soldiers commanded by General Lassalle.

- 1817 - The independent government of Venezuela is established by Simón Bolívar.

- 1831 - In Southampton County, Virginia, escaped slave Nat Turner is captured and arrested for leading the bloodiest slave rebellion in United States history.

- 1863 - Danish Prince Vilhelm arrives in Athens to assume his throne as George I, King of the Hellenes.

- 1864 - Helena, Montana is founded after four prospectors discover gold at "Last Chance Gulch".

- 1888 - Rudd Concession granted by King Lobengula of Matabeleland to agents of Cecil Rhodes led by Charles Rudd.

- 1905 - Czar Nicholas II of Russia issues the October Manifesto, granting the Russian peoples basic civil liberties and the right to form a duma.

- 1918 - The Ottoman Empire signs an armistice with the Allies, ending the First World War in the Middle East.

- 1920 - The Communist Party of Australia is founded in Sydney.

- 1925 - John Logie Baird creates Britain's first television transmitter.

- 1929 - The Stuttgart Cable Car is constructed in Stuttgart, Germany.

- 1938 - Orson Welles broadcasts his radio play of H. G. Wells's The War of the Worlds, causing anxiety in some of the audience in the United States.

- 1941 - One thousand and five hundred Jews from Pidhaytsi (in western Ukraine) are sent by Nazis to Bełżec extermination camp.

- 1942 - Lt. Tony Fasson, Able Seaman Colin Grazier and canteen assistant Tommy Brown from HMS Petard board U-559, retrieving material which would lead to the decryption of the German Enigma code.

- 1944 - Anne and Margot Frank are deported from Auschwitz to the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, where they die from disease the following year, shortly before the end of WWII.

- 1947 - The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), which is the foundation of the World Trade Organisation (WTO), is founded.

- 1950 - Pope Pius XII witnesses the "Miracle of the Sun" while at the Vatican.

- 1953 - Cold War: U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower formally approves the top secret document National Security Council Paper No. 162/2, which states that the United States' arsenal of nuclear weapons must be maintained and expanded to counter the communist threat.

- 1960 - Michael Woodruff performs the first successful kidney transplant in the United Kingdom at the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

- 1961 - Nuclear testing: The Soviet Union detonates the hydrogen bomb Tsar Bomba over Novaya Zemlya; at 50 megatons of yield, it remains the largest explosive device ever detonated, nuclear or otherwise.

- 1965 - English model Jean Shrimpton causes a global sensation by wearing a daring white minidress to Derby Day at Flemington Racecourse in Melbourne, Australia.

- 1973 - The Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul, Turkey is completed, connecting the continents of Europe and Asia over the Bosphorus for the second time.

- 1974 - The Rumble in the Jungle boxing match between Muhammad Ali and George Foreman takes place in Kinshasa, Zaire. Ali wins by KO in the eighth round, regaining the title of World Heavyweight Champion and causing Foreman´s first professional defeat.

- 1975 - Prince Juan Carlos becomes Spain's acting head of state, taking over for the country's ailing dictator, Gen. Francisco Franco.

- 1980 - El Salvador and Honduras sign a peace treaty to put the border dispute fought over in 1969's Football War before the International Court of Justice.

- 1983 - The first democratic elections in Argentina after seven years of military rule are held.

- 1985 - Space Shuttle Challenger lifts off for mission STS-61-A, its final successful mission.

- 1987 - In Japan, NEC releases the first 16-bit (fourth generation) video game console, the PC Engine, which is later sold in other markets under the name TurboGrafx-16.

- 1995 - Quebec citizens narrowly vote (50.58% to 49.42%) in favour of remaining a province of Canada in their second referendum on national sovereignty.

- 2005 - The rebuilt Dresden Frauenkirche (destroyed in the firebombing of Dresden during World War II) is reconsecrated after a thirteen-year rebuilding project.

- 2014 - Sweden is the first European Union member state to officially recognize the State of Palestine.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 39 BC - Julia the Elder, Roman daughter of Augustus

- 1735 - John Adams, American lawyer and politician, 2nd President of the United States

- 1785 - Hermann, Fürst von Pückler-Muskau, German nobleman, author and landscape architect

- 1882 - William Halsey, Jr., American admira

- 1882 - Günther von Kluge, Polish-German field marshal

- 1885 - Ezra Pound, American poet and critic

- 1895 - Gerhard Domagk, German pathologist and bacteriologist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1906 - Giuseppe Farina, Italian race car driver

- 1928 - Daniel Nathans, American microbiologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1941 - Theodor W. Hänsch, German physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1960 - Diego Maradona, Argentinian footballer, coach, and manager

- 1973 - Edge, Canadian wrestler and actor

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it.

- Pablo Picasso -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Damn straight you should take things easy.

It's too good a day to be stressed :P

Now, let's get...

[B]Funky[/B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqJDbe9A36c

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Damn straight you should take things easy.

It's too good a day to be stressed :P

Now, let's get...

[B]Funky[/B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqJDbe9A36c

My ears are bleeding because I listened to this.

Kalaron

Kalaron wrote:If no one does, I will.

Don't worry, I'll give the password to those who left for their Temp regions.

I just really don't even want to think about touching that button >.>

Just do it

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Just do it

First, we have three hours untill I need to -and should-, and second, I prefer to ask people before I do stuff :P

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Kalaron wrote:First, we have three hours untill I need to -and should-, and second, I prefer to ask people before I do stuff :P

Mercunovan geopolitics experts and undertakers have suggested the closing of the region. :P

Aldaur wrote:Than just kill the humans, as we are an inferior species.

That wouldn't be very nice. Besides, we need humans to be our drivers and firemen, and humans need us to move them places and transport stuff (like fish and mail). Gordon calls it a sim-by-otic relationship'.

Aldaur wrote:More automation. They may have needed us once, but they need us no longer.

You mean like robots? Can robots shovel coal, put on brakes, and control our speed?

Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Mr. Clean gets rid of Dirt and Grime and Grease in just a minute! / Mr. Clean will clean your whole house and everything that's in it! / Mr. Clean! Mr. Clean! Mr. Clean!

ding ding ding

Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:That wouldn't be very nice. Besides, we need humans to be our drivers and firemen, and humans need us to move them places and transport stuff (like fish and mail). Gordon calls it a sim-by-otic relationship'.

You mean like robots? Can robots shovel coal, put on brakes, and control our speed?

Ok, I just talked to Edward about this.

He told me that organizing a killing of all humans and then purchasing robots to replace all of them would be extremely expensive, and would far outweigh any benefits to eliminating humans. Besides, Edward told me if we killed all humans, our markets would collapse because we'd be seen as an 'international pariah' (whatever that means), and because of that, markets wouldn't trust us and it would be more expensive to borrow money. We would have to borrow lots of money at high 'interest rates' (I'm still not sure why it matters whether or not people are interested in how Percyton borrows money), leading to greater debt, and us borrowing more money to pay off this increasing debt and to pay all our bills, and eventually, we'll 'Greece' (whatever that means). Edward told me that's a bad thing.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Mr. Clean gets rid of Dirt and Grime and Grease in just a minute! / Mr. Clean will clean your whole house and everything that's in it! / Mr. Clean! Mr. Clean! Mr. Clean!

ding ding ding

Guy looks like he shouldn't be let in schools, let alone your house.

Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:Ok, I just talked to Edward about this.

He told me that organizing a killing of all humans and then purchasing robots to replace all of them would be extremely expensive, and would far outweigh any benefits to eliminating humans. Besides, Edward told me if we killed all humans, our markets would collapse because we'd be seen as an 'international pariah' (whatever that means), and because of that, markets wouldn't trust us and it would be more expensive to borrow money. We would have to borrow lots of money at high 'interest rates' (I'm still not sure why it matters whether or not people are interested in how Percyton borrows money), leading to greater debt, and us borrowing more money to pay off this increasing debt and to pay all our bills, and eventually, we'll 'Greece' (whatever that means). Edward told me that's a bad thing.

I mean, I actually rather liked that musical, but each to his own, I suppose.

Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:Ok, I just talked to Edward about this.

He told me that organizing a killing of all humans and then purchasing robots to replace all of them would be extremely expensive, and would far outweigh any benefits to eliminating humans. Besides, Edward told me if we killed all humans, our markets would collapse because we'd be seen as an 'international pariah' (whatever that means), and because of that, markets wouldn't trust us and it would be more expensive to borrow money. We would have to borrow lots of money at high 'interest rates' (I'm still not sure why it matters whether or not people are interested in how Percyton borrows money), leading to greater debt, and us borrowing more money to pay off this increasing debt and to pay all our bills, and eventually, we'll 'Greece' (whatever that means). Edward told me that's a bad thing.

Surprisingly astute analysis from Edward the Blue Engine. Apparently Percyton has at least one economist on the island.

Also, Percy, this is Greece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_government-debt_crisis

Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:I mean, I actually rather liked that musical, but each to his own, I suppose.

Then again, I don't know how well the concept of "pussy wagon" translates to Engines.

Or actually to anyone not in the 70s.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Killdash wrote:I mean, I actually rather liked that musical, but each to his own, I suppose.

Edward said he doesn't have a problem with the musical, though he prefers Hamilton. Also, he said he was talking about Jas's Greece, not your's.

Killdash wrote:Then again, I don't know how well the concept of "pussy wagon" translates to Engines.

Or actually to anyone not in the 70s.

Pussy wagon? So, a wagon full of cute cats? That actually sounds really nice! I'd love to be the engine to pull that train!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Edward said he doesn't have a problem with the musical, though he prefers Hamilton. Also, he said he was talking about Jas's Greece, not your's.

Pussy wagon? So, a wagon full of cute cats? That actually sounds really nice! I'd love to be the engine to pull that train!

Oh. Yeah, they were all "Philosophy!" And "Naked Scientists" and "Naked Sports" and "Naked Statues".

They liked nudity, and they couldn't lie.

Me too Perce. Me too

Percyton

Percyton wrote:Edward said he doesn't have a problem with the musical, though he prefers Hamilton. Also, he said he was talking about Jas's Greece, not your's.

Pussy wagon? So, a wagon full of cute cats? That actually sounds really nice! I'd love to be the engine to pull that train!

Percy, you are just loveable. :)

Varrick The Rich Guy, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Percy, you are just loveable. :)

Thank you! You're so nice, Peng!

Jaslandia, Varrick The Rich Guy

Zhu Li, barricade the doors! Lock the windows! Secure my assets! We got zombies on the way!

Jaslandia

Varrick The Rich Guy wrote:Zhu Li, barricade the doors! Lock the windows! Secure my assets! We got zombies on the way!

Should I get your yacht ready, sir?

Jaslandia, Varrick The Rich Guy

Can zombies survive in extreme cold evironment ?

Jaslandia

Zhu Li Varrick-Moon wrote:Should I get your yacht ready, sir?

Good idea! Zombies can't swim, right?

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Can zombies survive in extreme cold evironment ?

They might if they have winter clothes.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:They might if they have winter clothes.

Damnit !

Varrick The Rich Guy wrote:Good idea! Zombies can't swim, right?

I mean, why wouldn't they be able to?

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:They might if they have winter clothes.

I'm at the awkward crux of thinking of disarming my entire military except some nukes, which I'll take up in my personal plane, and than irradiate my country to sh1t.

Jaslandia

Varrick The Rich Guy wrote:Good idea! Zombies can't swim, right?

I thought Zhu Li was your wife? Please tell me your wife doesn't call you "sir".

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Zhu Li Varrick-Moon

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I thought Zhu Li was your wife? Please tell me your wife doesn't call you "sir".

Well, you aren't our father but we still call you daddy or papa. :P

Jaslandia, Percyton

Killdash wrote:I mean, why wouldn't they be able to?

I don't think zombies have the motor skills or coordination to swim. The only thing they can do is walk slowly and eat people's brains, no?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I thought Zhu Li was your wife? Please tell me your wife doesn't call you "sir".

Force of habit, I suppose. I was Varrick's assistant before I became his wife.

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Well, you aren't our father but we still call you daddy or papa. :P

Are you so sure, son?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Are you so sure, son?

It time for IWHBYD jokes already? :P

Jaslandia wrote:I don't think zombies have the motor skills or coordination to swim. The only thing they can do is walk slowly and eat people's brains, no?

But they can float? Most corpses do.

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Are you so sure, son?

If you would be my dad, I would be proud to be your son. :)

Jaslandia, Kalaron

Killdash wrote:But they can float? Most corpses do.

True, but unless zombies can control where they float (which I don't think they can), there isn't an effective way for them to float toward their target, so it would be pretty easy to eliminate them while they're gently floating in the water.

Jaslandia wrote:True, but unless zombies can control where they float (which I don't think they can), there isn't an effective way for them to float toward their target, so it would be pretty easy to eliminate them while they're gently floating in the water.

It's pretty cute though. Like killer rubber ducks.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:If you would be my dad, I would be proud to be your son. :)

Of course, Peng somehow makes this adorable.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Of course, Peng somehow makes this adorable.

Is that good or bad ?

Kalaron

Killdash wrote:It's pretty cute though. Like killer rubber ducks.

I like rubber ducks. I don't think I would like killer rubber ducks, though.

Percyton wrote:I like rubber ducks. I don't think I would like killer rubber ducks, though.

Don't judge. They're surprisingly squishy.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Is that good or bad ?

Good.

Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

About 30 min until Ragnarök takes place. Be prepared.

Continental Commonwealths

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:About 30 min until Ragnarök takes place. Be prepared.

The Boy Scouts in on this?

5 minutes boys.

Tips from a veteran: If you're a large nation (2 billion onward) research the cure option. Your high populace will act like a meat shield for your scientists, and if lots of nations research it, it's ready quite quick. Then, pick a nation and bombard with missiles. Don't fire back at someone if they missle you, (it takes three minutes to recover from a missle blast, but only 20 seconds to recharge automatically). Let them heal you, than heal others, (big nations first, they bring the infection rate up more). Also, try target one nation that's online. Once they're clear, they'll be a big asset.

If you're under 2 billion, go military. It will buy you enough time so that the big nations can get to you while you're still alive. Heck, you may even get the Tactical Squads, in which case, use them to save your friends/fellow nations. Otherwise, same tips.

Now, grab your chainsaws and flamethrower a, and let's kick some undead ass!!

CFN! CFN! CFN!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

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