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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Ever hear a word over and over again until it doesn't sound like a word any more? And it just sounds weird? I feel that way after hearing the word Brexit countless times on Charlie Brooker's 2016 Wipe.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Mdogao
Yes, all the time. For some reason, words that begin and end with "d" ever sound quite correct to my ears. Even when I know they are pronounced correctly, it sounds wrong. I think it's because I grew up with in a Shona household.
Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
I can't say so. Though I do have moments where I occasionally hear a word and my brain takes longer than it should to process it.
Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
That only happens to me when I'm watching those supercut-like videos (ex: a video that shows every time the word 'find' is used in a movie).
Nuremgard, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
What a year 2017 will be. The US and UK will go mad together as the former elects an Oompa Loompa sex pest and the latter regains its independence from the oppressive and diabolical EU which is a Stalinist mass of bureaucracy but also a corporate puppet too. (What the EU is depends on what Brexiter you ask.)
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
Don't you know m8? Corporations are the biggest communists!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
That's the opposite of a deja vu. It's called jamais vu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_vu
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Also called semantic satiation in the reference with words.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_satiation
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
This intersection of cognition and linguistics is absolutely fascinating. Some other great concepts:
presque vu ("tip of the tongue syndrome")
L'esprit de l'escalier (thinking of the perfect reply after the conversation is already over)
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica
The last one happens to me almost every time. It makes me sad.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus, Mdogao
Me too. I wish there was some way to exercise wit, like you can exercise your muscles.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
Yep thanks
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Happy New Year, friend!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
You too buddy!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, The United Providences Of Perland
Hello!
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mdogao
Welcome!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Grand North America, Mdogao
Welcome to the CoFN, Grand North America!
Lavan Tiri, Grand North America, Penguania And Antarctica, Mdogao
I used to be in the Eurasian Socialist Union but I went inactive and now it's dead.
Oh well.
Guess I can have fun here.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia, Mdogao
You can revive it you know
Lavan Tiri, Grand North America, Mdogao
I'm too busy to deal with running an entire region, to be quite honest
thus the long period of inactivity
Lavan Tiri, The United Providences Of Perland, Mdogao
"Allo there!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Mdogao
Tell us about your nation! Are you an alternate history?
Lavan Tiri
http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10061422/2/#new
Posted on the RP. Sorry it took so long, y'know, the holidays.
Lavan Tiri, Vista Major
Guten tag!
Lavan Tiri
Kein problem
Lavan Tiri
The Iron Dome is Israel's idea for active defense against projectile targets, and it works by essentially firing a cluster of buckshot at a scanned and known target in a 360 degree field around the vehicle it is mounted on.
The idea of a "drone swarm" to take advantage of the relatively low cost of producing drones, the terror of a whole unit of them and the practical devastation that such a system can bring is roughly analogous to the idea of simply making more warheads to confuse the Trophy system such that at least one warhead will reach the target, but what is also analogous is the improvements in the design of Trophy Systems like the Iron Dome.
To counteract threats like the RPG-30, they switched to a buckshot solution for multi-warhead threats and fire seventeen projectiles with the purpose of neutralizing all targets that would normally be hidden by the "dummy" target, though this can be adapted in style to essentially provide defense against drones....though it's probably more likely to see them up higher, where it would likely come down to SAM stations >.>
Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Mdogao
Oh my Gowd! You're back! :D
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
This is an awesome track and I can't stop listening to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhqqZN0H7CI
Killdash, Lavan Tiri
[B]DIP will be posted later today.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, The United Providences Of Perland, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus
I [I]REALLY want to go a bit meta here, but I'm just gunna suggest you read my overview factbook
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=andromitus/detail=factbook/id=644081
Lavan Tiri
Also, I'm not gonna be posting in for a little while, family and school stuff, bluuuuuuhhh
Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia
What do you mean? Did I do some meta myself?
Lavan Tiri
Oh, I see what you mean. I can't buy stocks from Andromitus cause there's nothing to buy in the first place. Fixed it.
Lavan Tiri, Andromitus
Are you teasing me?
If yes: This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my telegram to you. So, well-played? I suppose?
If no: Thank you for this wonderfully illustrative, though completely unnecessary, restatement of publicly found information. Apologies, I should have been more specific. I didn't mean "what is the Iron Dome?" I really had two questions for you:
1. Why would the Iron Dome help people who are at risk of being killed in a drone strike feel more secure? (I'm not talking about drone swarms or missiles, I'm talking about people being killed as collateral damage in a rocket attack by a Predator or Reaper drone. I believe this is the much more common use of the term "drone strike.")
2. What in the world do you mean by the below statement:
Thank you for the clarification.
Mads/Mdogao
Lavan Tiri
*Superhero Jingle* Communism, Yea! Savin the day from the eviiil capitolist, Communism! YEAH!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Magnatronia, Mdogao
Please make more posts in superhero-jingle style.
Lavan Tiri
point taken, I'm thinkin' Saturday morning cartoons
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
First, I got a question for you.
Why do you feel that, if something is already known to some people, it shouldn't be restated?
Peng maintains a DIP who's information is all public domain, but you'd be hard pressed to find people who didn't enjoy it, so why is it that, in a debate where the other person may not know the terms -and may not have searched them up- that you shouldn't clarify to the best of your abilities?
As for your questions, I ask that you look back to my prior comments, because you must have missed the last two if you think I'm saying that in reference of the middle east.
Yes, their current usage is one off strikes, but considering that I was focusing on what it might be in the future, and considering that most major militaries admit to stealth being a feature that'll lose it's luster soon enough, I figure the most probable future use is one of small scale drones.
This is part of why clarifying terms is important/s.
As for the second question, I've been rolling with the connotation of it more than anything, with it being more "Evidence-less jabs and statements of no substance"
Also a reason why clarifying is key :P
Lavan Tiri
Hello people. Late but finally.
[spoiler=Today are:]
Today are:
- 55 mph Speed Limit Day (United States)
- Ancestry Day (Haiti)
- Berchtold's Day (Switzerland; Liechtenstein; Alsace, France)
- Carnival Day (Saint Kitts and Nevis)
- Handsel Monday (Scotland)
- Happy Mew Year Day for Cats
- Kakizome (Japan)
- Motivation and Inspiration Day
- National Buffet Day
- National Creampuff Day (United States)
- National Personal Trainer Awareness Day (United States)
- National Science Fiction Day (United States)
- National Thank God Its Monday Day (United States)
- Run It up the Flagpole and See if Anyone Salutes Day
- Nyinlong (Bhutan)
- Victory of Armed Forces Day (Cuba)
- Weigh-In Day
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 366 The Alemanni cross the frozen Rhine in large numbers, invading the Roman Empire.
- 533 Mercurius becomes Pope John II, the first pope to adopt a new name upon elevation to the papacy.
- 1492 Reconquista: the Emirate of Granada, the last Moorish stronghold in Spain, surrenders.
- 1777 American Revolutionary War: American forces under the command of George Washington repulsed a British attack at the Battle of the Assunpink Creek near Trenton, New Jersey.
- 1788 Georgia becomes the fourth state to ratify the United States Constitution.
- 1791 Big Bottom massacre in the Ohio Country, marking the beginning of the Northwest Indian War.
- 1818 The British Institution of Civil Engineers is founded.
- 1833 Reassertion of British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
- 1860 The discovery of the planet Vulcan is announced at a meeting of the French Academy of Sciences in Paris, France.
- 1865 Uruguayan War: The Siege of Paysandú ends as Brazilian and Coloradans capture Paysandú, Uruguay.
- 1900 American statesman and diplomat John Hay announces the Open Door Policy to promote trade with China.
- 1905 Russo-Japanese War: The Russian garrison surrenders at Port Arthur, China.
- 1920 The second Palmer Raid takes place with another 6,000 suspected communists and anarchists arrested and held without trial. These raids take place in several U.S. cities.
- 1941 World War II: German bombing severely damages the Llandaff Cathedral in Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom.
- 1942 The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) convicts 33 members of a German spy ring headed by Fritz Joubert Duquesne in the largest espionage case in United States historythe Duquesne Spy Ring.
- 1942 World War II: Manila, Philippines is captured by Japanese forces.
- 1945 World War II: Nuremberg, Germany is severely bombed by Allied forces.
- 1955 Panamanian president José Antonio Remón Cantera is assassinated.
- 1959 Luna 1, the first spacecraft to reach the vicinity of the Moon and to orbit the Sun, is launched by the Soviet Union.
- 1963 Vietnam War: The Viet Cong wins its first major victory.
- 1967 Ronald Reagan sworn in as Governor of California
- 1974 United States President Richard Nixon signs a bill lowering the maximum U.S. speed limit to 55 MPH in order to conserve gasoline during an OPEC embargo.
- 1975 A bomb blast at Samastipur, Bihar, India, fatally wounds Lalit Narayan Mishra, Minister of Railways
- 1975 Bangladeshi Marxist leader Siraj Sikder is arrested and dies in police custody.
- 1981 One of the largest investigations by a British police force ends when serial killer Peter Sutcliffe, the "Yorkshire Ripper", is arrested in Sheffield, South Yorkshire.
- 1992 Leaders of armed opposition declare the President Zviad Gamsakhurdia deposed during a military coup in Georgia.
- 1999 A brutal snowstorm smashes into the Midwestern United States, causing 14 inches (359 mm) of snow in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and 19 inches (487 mm) in Chicago, where temperatures plunge to -13 °F (-25 °C); 68 deaths are reported.
- 2004 Stardust successfully flies past Comet Wild 2, collecting samples that are returned to Earth.
- 2006 An explosion in a coal mine in Sago, West Virginia traps and kills 12 miners, leaving only one survivor.
- 2016 Nimr al-Nimr, a prominent Shia cleric in Saudi Arabia, was executed by Saudi government along with 46 others.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1777 Christian Daniel Rauch, German sculptor and educato
- 1822 Rudolf Clausius, Polish-German physicist and mathematician
- 1870 Ernst Barlach, German sculptor and playwright
- 1873 Thérèse of Lisieux, French nun and saint
- 1905 Michael Tippett, English composer and conductor
- 1920 Isaac Asimov, Russian-American chemist, author, and academic
- 1936 Roger Miller, American singer-songwriter, musician, and actor
- 1967 Francois Pienaar, South African rugby player
- 1968 Cuba Gooding, Jr., American actor and producer
- 1969 Christy Turlington, American model
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Quote of the day
Lost time is never found again.
- Benjamin Franklin -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, Tserra, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus, Yukona
This is a very poor comparison, because the contexts are so different. The pleasant posts by the charming Penguania And Antarctica are a daily delivery of broad knowledge. It's not a part of a larger conversation.
Your post about the Iron Dome was part of a conversation, and in that context, it wasn't helpful or on point. It was not a "clarification," because it was barely related to the larger conversation. It was just an info-dump. I admit, I should have clarified my question. That's my fault, but you are also guilty of going off on a tangent that didn't really address my original post or your responses to it.
You are twisting the narrative. This started as a conversation about fear. My original point is that drone strikes are reason for some to fear for one's life. That's it. You said that drones "aren't scary," and started talking about the Iron Dome and drone swarms. I asked you to clarify how the Iron Dome and nascent drone swarms relate to my point. You still haven't explained the connection, only offered your own conjectures about the future of autonomous warfare. This just does not relate to my original point [there are people who fear death by drone] and does not support your original counter-point [those people have nothing to fear]. It is just a deviation that you continue to elaborate on, unprompted.
In short: you tried to rebut my original point, but when I asked you for background, you only offered supporting arguments that were unrelated to my point.
Agreed.
Again, you are twisting the narrative. When I used "rhetoric," I was referring to an earlier post you made- your call for criticism about yourself. If I was citing to an earlier post you made, why would I be using "rhetoric" to refer to a negative? Given the connotation of your earlier statement, that wouldn't make sense. It would mean that you were referring to yourself as a negative. I think you just need to think through things more before posting rebuttals.
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica
You know what Yuk!?
I'm gonna take the advice and just drink my coffee.
Lavan Tiri, Yukona
Thank you for those kind words. :)
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Mdogao
I'd still very much like the answer to my question. Why would any of the technology you have brought up mitigate the current fear held by some people of dying in a drone strike?
Lavan Tiri
I haven't been paying attention to the conversation, and I was to lazy to read your guy's tirade, but this answered my question, thanks.
But really, how are you still going on about this! Its hilarious mind you, but still!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Short answer: Brio?
Long answer: Because I made a point [drones are scary and kill people], Mr. Kalaron made a counterpint [nah... they aren't that scary] but has only offered up unrelated topics [the Iron Dome, et cetera] to support his counterpoint to mine. He has told me that I am not being clear, that I am not following his line of argument, but he is actually distorting my earlier points to try to justify his tangent and dodging my original point completely. It's a rather dirty trick, rhetorically speaking.
And that's rhetoric as in "the art of convincing," not the insult.
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths
This whole shutting down of anything that even resembles a debate/argument is getting problematic imo. In my experience NS has always been a place for debate and discussion and that was something that the NGA and early CFN were built on.
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Mdogao
This isn't a debate though, it's just people telling each other it what is and isn't a debate which in itself is ironically more an argument - with all respect to the users involved
Lavan Tiri
Picking at the structure of your opponents argument, especially if your opponent is making huge mistakes like distorting your own points, is a valid mode of debate. It just appears that in this particular debate structure has become the centrepiece instead of the original topic of drone strikes.
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Mdogao
This is not an accurate description of the discussion at all. I made a statement, Kalaron offered a counterpoint, and tried to support it by:
1. Offering examples of scarcely-related technologies and his own personal predictions that does not really relate to my point or his counterpoint.
2. Making an unfair, dodgy comparison between his info-dump and Peng's DIP when I called him for it.
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Yukona
Well they've been going around in circles for quite some time, there's no harm in dropping it and agreeing to disagree?
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Sure. If they want to. Not because other parties enter into the discussion to rule on whether the discussion meets their subjective criteria what is or is not a debate.
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Because we might actually be in agreement about my original statement (drones are scary and kill people) if Mr. Kalaron would address it. Instead, he just gets further and further away from my point.
He also distorted some my points and falsely attributed a statement to me [that I "made this about the Middle East"], and that is not fair to do in a debate. I can't "agree to disagree" unless there is some common ground, and when someone is playing unfairly like he does, there is no common ground.
Lavan Tiri, Yukona
Chill out dude, I never said something was and wasn't debate, I just suggested they agree to disagree because they're going around in circles. Ultimately, I mentioned that their debate is becoming more of an argument and from past experience (recently), I said maybe it's a good idea to just drop it? I never said they had to, nor did I insult either party, I made it very clear I respected each nation involved. It was only a suggestion, chill it home skillet
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
sigh
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
I am calm. No exclamation mark, no bolded or italicized text, nothing to indicate that I'm at all emotional about this exchange. Just a brief comment about deferring to the actual debating parties.
But you did make a determination about whether it is more of an argument rather than a debate, both in this comment and a previous one. And I just think that's subjective and, again, should be up to the debating parties of whether they'd like for that to be a reason to opt out.
Tl;dr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
It's really more of a spiral, getting further and further away from the original point I made. I'm just trying to reign it back in.
Separately, thank you for being a part of this community. This place is so much more cordial and interesting than my past regions.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Percyton
For f**ks sake this is turning from a simple post suggesting people to just appreciate some s**t into this dude. Thank you for you in-depth analysis of your psyche and response to the "chill out dude". It is subjective man "I said maybe it's a good idea", that was my intention anyway. Love ya n' all but this is just getting way to meta for me pal
Lavan Tiri
This guy, can't get enough of this guy
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
How is everyone today ?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Mdogao
Tremendous! How are you?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Chill it home skillet
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Tell me about it
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Me is doing okay. A bit tired tho.
Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Mdogao
Ugh, what a buncha nerds.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Yukona, Mdogao
Thank you! In case you haven't heard, I'm running for Minister of Justice...
I have never heard this expression in my life until today. I love it.
Yes, absolutely. Look at the website we are all on, after all. What other kind of person would be here?
Good tired? Like from a hard-fought accomplishment?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Don't mention it, look at that, me and Cont Com bequeathed you a rare gift out of *insert applicable discourse here*, love ya Cont
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Mdogao
Tired like "the day was the first day after Christmas break and I have to get used to my daily schedule again"
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
I didn't know it either until you said it, but love ya back Yuk :P
Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Percyton, Mdogao
god bless x
Lavan Tiri, Percyton, Mdogao
Actually, I was saying -and noted as such- that I was speaking of my own experiences since fear (and what people fear) is entirely subjective.
You noted that some people are currently under threat from them which implies the ME (I will admit to not being aware of any Predator usage outside of military action there) and I admitted to thinking of my own situation rather than their situation (You then ignored this in three posts).
Christ man, if the statement "Drones are scary" is something we can agree on as being subjective, then clearly me giving reasons for why *I'm* not scared of them isn't exactly unrelated, yeah?
Lavan Tiri
What? This post reads like you are trying to recast your past words as if you are were on topic the whole time. How have you addressed any of this? My point was "drone are scary " and you responded with the counterpoint "nah, because iron dome," even though that counterpoint didn't address my point. Now you are trying to backtrack, as if everything I have said proves you right.
But even as you backtrack, you are still spiraling away from the original point and your faulty counterpoint.
You are doing the things I just called you out for:
1. You are bringing in unrelated information (whether fear is subjective, where predators are active) when they don't actually rebut my point (drones are scary and kill people) or support your point (nah, because iron dome.)
2. You are trying to distort the past posts in the conversation. (saying that 'of course you are talking from your own subjective perspective' when your original point didn't actually include that caveat. You just said I was wrong, and people shouldn't be afraid of drones.
Lavan Tiri
2016 has had an impact on us all. Example: CC has gone from impartial and neutral Chief Justice to regional sassy man
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Mdogao
Wait, there's an open spot for Minister of Justice? If so, I want in.
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
I had it coming worse than Greedo shooting first
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
You have no idea.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona, Mdogao
If I could pin this to the RMB I would.
Lavan Tiri
Yup, because responses past the first don't mean anything, and I never said anything like "My perspective"
Let me walk you through my argument:
In my perspective, they aren't scary because we have the technological basis to destroy them en-mass. Someone in the Middle East might fear them, but because fear is subjective I don't share in that fear.
I listed the Iron Dome -and how we could upgrade it- because that's part of why I'm not scared.
In short, I don't fear them and wrote about the iron dome because in my perspective they aren't scary, and unless you are legit going to try to say that every fear on this planet is objectively shared by every human, then some people will not feel that "Drones are scary".
Lavan Tiri, Mdogao
Hey Peng! I'm good; I just saved George JK Tolkien from killing my favorite character, and all I had to do was outlaw spoilers.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
'Just' banning spoilers? Doesn't that seem like a bit of an extreme measure?
Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
You are still distorting! You are citing your own posts to try to argue something I said, even though they are not my words.
I did not put drone strikes into "Premise A" (A list of "globe destroying threats"). I did not put them into "Premise B" (A list of "Middle Easterners should be afraid of").
Instead, I put them into Premise C ("things that can kill someone, that you can't do anything about.") We know Premise C is correct because of the prior context of the discussion (there is nothing to fear but fear itself; what about nuclear annihilation, etc.)
You have been making arguments as if my point is meant to correlate with Premise A and Premise B, even though that was never the correct premise. That is what I mean when I chastise you for tangents.
Furthermore, your new counterpoint seems to be "drones are not scary to me, because we have the technological basis to destroy them en-mass." This is better, but it still doesn't respond to my argument, whether the "drones are scary" point is read from an objective or subjective viewpoint.
Your new counterpoint is weak from an subject perspective because you have twisted Premise C into Premise D ("Things that should be subjectively scary Kalaron.") Of course my original point would fail Premise D, but it is absurd to read my original point this way, and for your to retroactively qualify your counterpoint this way. You could justify literally any statement by saying "well, from my perspective," but that is simply sloppy rhetoric. It doesn't provide any real support for your counterpoint or against my point.
Your new counterpoint is weak from an objective perspective because your counterpoint is still based on nascent technology. Therefore, this counterpoint still does not address my point until that technology actually exists.
I don't even know how to respond to silly statements like this. I don't think I can. I just think you should know better.
Lavan Tiri
"Hey! Did you see that new movie?"
"Shhhh! You'll get us arrested!"
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton
I was *just* about to ask if anyone had heard from you recently. Feel like you've been off the RMB lately.
Lavan Tiri, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Did we just have a debate about what constitutes a debate?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
Well, I'd argue that most of them were, actually globe "destroying" though if we're going to be truly anal about definitions then I suppose a better word is "Wreaking", but that isn't the point, my point is that I was arguing a perspective based point, you then extended my point to those who are scared of drones as though I hadn't openly said that it was my perspective.
Your post, four hours ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=23197013
My post, One day ago: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=23185092
Clearly, we see here that I did actually state I thought of it in my perspective, despite you ignoring that in your point.
Furthermore, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#Operational_history the usage of drones -especially those with Hellfire and other missiles- has been mostly done in Middle Eastern nations, which is why I responded with that, this is not saying that Americans and other nationalities cannot possess fear of them but rather the opposite as it acknowledges that there would be other points of view.
I'm not doing anything to my past points but saying that maybe you should read them all, as I have actually agreed that it is a subjective matter rather than an objective one in multiple posts that you have selectively ignored.
You first proclaim that everything I've said to justify my perspective is completely unrelated, and then shift it as though "My perspective" is the only thing I've said, when in reality those disconnected points were crucial to the subject matter (That "Nascent" argument is actually funny, because this system has been in action since 2012 and hardly requires any change to be effective against low flying drones).
Regardless, this argument is completely pointless, and I am both too tired and too enthralled by other conversations to continue it -also I would rather not take up more space on the RMB for this- so you can consider this the finale post if you want.
Lavan Tiri
It was worth it to save Aya. Besides, Sir Topham Hatt told me an anti-spoiler law would be nearly impossible to enforce, so people shouldn't worry too much about being arrested. At most the punishment would be a fine.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Aldaur
No; we're STILL having a debate about what constitutes a debate.
Lavan Tiri
Nah, I'm over it and I think most of the others are just eyeing each other in a quasi-cold war on the level of not giving your guests tea.
Also, I just realized that the entire original movies of Star Wars were caused because Obi-Wan lacked foresight to an incredible degree.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
If one damn pod racer had just one unfortunate accident, we would have saved the galaxy a whoooooole lot of trouble.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
Obi-Wan? No offense to Liam Neeson, but I think Qui-Gon Jinn wasn't that great in the judgement department either.
Lavan Tiri
I've been busy :p
Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica
I've got to side with Kal on this. Or am I the only one who remembers the tiny braid?
Palpatine got one glance at that and swore to himself that he would end the Jedi Order for its affront against Galactic fashion.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Hell, if Obi-Wan had done things differently in RoTS, he could at least have kept Darth Vader from forming, and could have gotten an ally to kill Sidious with the rest of the Jedi who were still around.
Like, if he literally convinced Anikan to just listen to him and wait a week after the Decleration of a New Order, he could have shown Anikan that a dictatorship lining up dissenters and shooting them doesn't line up with the "In my opinion, the Jedi are evil!" comment from Palp, and Ani not being dead would have kept Padme alive because "There's a chance I can save my Husband despite his brutally slaughtering forty kids".
Hell, he could have just picked him up with the force and put him in the Lava to end his horrible suffering.
Both ways are completely justified and fit the Jedi way, but Obi was just like "Guess I'll let Lava decide this!" and wandered off to sulk about Anikan.
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Gotta be something else, Ani had a Rat tail for hair.
"In my opinion, the Jedi are unfashionable"
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
I was siding with you Kal, dammit! Why you got to do me like that?!
*starts toppling statues of Kal*
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Lol, sorry Cont :P
Who's making statues in your country, I thought you guys had hit Anarchy phase?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
I'm assuming the same people who were knitting all those Santa hats to sew onto Peng's penguin toys. It's not the government, I can tell you that.
... Which is all the more terrifying...
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
Or, perhaps Qui-Gon could have just not bothered with Anakin in the first movie and saved us all the trouble.
[spoiler=Spoiler]Qui-Gon took Anakin under his wing on a hunch that he had powerful Jedi senses, and thus could be the one to bring balance to the force and all that. Even when the Jedi Council told Qui-Gon that this Anakin kid spelled trouble, Qui-Gon trained Anakin anyway. At the end of the day, Anakin was going to be a problematic Jedi from the start (due to him being 'full of fear' and his training starting at a later age), and while Obi-Wan certainly wasn't prepared to deal with an unconventional case like Anakin, I'm not sure if anyone could have prevented Anakin's turn to the Dark Side; however, none of that would have been an issue if Qui-Gon just left Anakin on Tatoine.[/spoiler]
Lavan Tiri
The same people who mysteriously put the Santa hats on your birdy every year?
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri
Yes, the very same! They change the flags on all the flag polls for about a fortnight, and then replace them with the original. Who is paying for all that?!
Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica
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