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Hyderbourg wrote:Does anyone want to start a CoFN sports league? I feel like it could work out really well.

I have ideas for how the "matches" could work out where we could let each nation even "weigh" a specific sport.

We'd need at least three sports.

I know we did a soccer competition (football for the non-Americans) a long time ago, and that was fun. Perhaps a soccer/football tournament?

Penguania And Antarctica

[spoiler=Today is April 13 and today are:]

Today is April 13 and today are:

- American Immigration Lawyers Association Day of Action

- Friday 13th

- International Creativity and Innovation Day

- International Special Librarian's Day

- Jefferson's Birthday (United States)

- Katyn Memorial Day (Poland)

- Leilat al-Meiraj or Prophet's Ascension (Iran)

- Maha Thingyan (Myanmar)

- National Blame Someone Else Day (United States)

- National Donate Life Blue and Green Day (United States)

- National Make Lunch Count Day (United States)

- National Peach Cobbler Day (United States)

- National Scrabble Day (United States)

- National Thomas Jefferson Day (United States)

- Plant Appreciation Day

- Sinhala and Tamil New Year's Eve (Sri Lanka)

- Songkran (Thailand)

- South and Southeast Asian New Year

- Teacher's Day (Ecuador)

- Unfairly Prosecuted Persons Day (Slovakia)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0945 – Hugh of Provence abdicates the throne in favor of his son Lothair II who is acclaimed sole king of Italy.

- 1111 – Henry V is crowned Holy Roman Emperor.

- 1204 – Constantinople falls to the Crusaders of the Fourth Crusade, temporarily ending the Byzantine Empire.

- 1612 – Miyamoto Musashi defeats Sasaki Kojirō at Funajima island.

- 1613 – Samuel Argall captures Native American princess Pocahontas in Passapatanzy, Virginia to ransom her for some English prisoners held by her father; she is brought to Henricus as hostage.

- 1699 – Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Sikh Guru, Created Khalsa on this day at Anandpur Sahib, Punjab.

- 1742 – George Frideric Handel's oratorio Messiah makes its world-premiere in Dublin, Ireland.

- 1777 – American Revolutionary War: American forces are ambushed and defeated in the Battle of Bound Brook, New Jersey.

- 1829 – The Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829 gives Roman Catholics in the United Kingdom the right to vote and to sit in Parliament.

- 1849 – Hungary becomes a republic.

- 1861 – American Civil War: Fort Sumter surrenders to Confederate forces.

- 1865 – American Civil War: Raleigh, North Carolina is occupied by Union Forces.

- 1870 – The New York City Metropolitan Museum of Art is founded.

- 1873 – The Colfax massacre, in which more than 60 African Americans are murdered, takes place.

- 1902 – James C. Penney opens his first store in Kemmerer, Wyoming.

- 1909 – The military of the Ottoman Empire reverses the Ottoman countercoup of 1909 to force the overthrow of Sultan Abdul Hamid II.

- 1919 – The Provisional Government of the Republic of Korea is established.

- 1919 – Jallianwala Bagh massacre: British troops gun down at least 379 unarmed demonstrators in Amritsar, India; at least 1200 are wounded.

- 1919 – Eugene V. Debs is imprisoned at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia, for speaking out against the draft during World War I.

- 1941 – A Pact of neutrality between the USSR and Japan is signed.

- 1943 – World War II: The discovery of mass graves of Polish prisoners of war killed by Soviet forces in the Katyń Forest Massacre is announced, causing a diplomatic rift between the Polish government-in-exile in London from the Soviet Union, which denies responsibility.

- 1943 – The Jefferson Memorial is dedicated in Washington, D.C., on the 200th anniversary of President Thomas Jefferson's birth.

- 1944 – Diplomatic relations between New Zealand and the Soviet Union are established.

- 1945 – World War II: German troops kill more than 1,000 political and military prisoners in Gardelegen, Germany.

- 1945 – World War II: Soviet and Bulgarian forces capture Vienna.

- 1948 – In an ambush, 78 Jewish doctors, nurses and medical students from Hadassah Hospital, and a British soldier, are massacred by Arabs in Sheikh Jarrah.

- 1953 – CIA director Allen Dulles launches the mind-control program Project MKUltra.

- 1958 – American Van Cliburn wins the inaugural International Tchaikovsky Competition in Moscow.

- 1960 – The United States launches Transit 1-B, the world's first satellite navigation system.

- 1964 – At the Academy Awards, Sidney Poitier becomes the first African-American male to win the Best Actor award for the 1963 film Lilies of the Field.

- 1970 – An oxygen tank aboard Apollo 13 explodes, putting the crew in great danger and causing major damage to the spacecraft while en route to the Moon.

- 1972 – The Universal Postal Union decides to recognize the People's Republic of China as the only legitimate Chinese representative, effectively expelling the Republic of China administering Taiwan.

- 1972 – Vietnam War: The Battle of An Lộc begins.

- 1974 – Western Union (in cooperation with NASA and Hughes Aircraft) launches the United States' first commercial geosynchronous communications satellite, Westar 1.

- 1975 – An attack by the Phalangist resistance kills 26 militia members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, marking the start of the 15-year Lebanese Civil War.

- 1976 – The United States Treasury Department reintroduces the two-dollar bill as a Federal Reserve Note on Thomas Jefferson's 233rd birthday as part of the United States Bicentennial celebration.

- 1976 – Forty workers die in an explosion at the Lapua ammunition factory, the deadliest accidental disaster in modern history in Finland.

- 1987 – Portugal and the People's Republic of China sign an agreement in which Macau would be returned to China in 1999.

- 1992 – Basements throughout the Chicago Loop are flooded, forcing the Chicago Board of Trade Building and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange to close.

- 1997 – Tiger Woods becomes the youngest golfer to win the Masters Tournament.

- 2017 – The US drops the largest ever non-nuclear weapon on Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1519 – Catherine de' Medici, Italian-French wife of Henry II of France

- 1570 – Guy Fawkes, English soldier, planned the Gunpowder Plot

- 1743 – Thomas Jefferson, American lawyer and politician, 3rd President of the United States

- 1852 – Frank Winfield Woolworth, American businessman, founded the F. W. Woolworth Company

- 1892 – Robert Watson-Watt, Scottish engineer, invented the Radar

- 1906 – Samuel Beckett, Irish novelist, poet, and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1922 – Julius Nyerere, Tanzanian educator and politician, 1st President of Tanzania

- 1924 – Stanley Donen, American director and choreographer

- 1939 – Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1940 – J. M. G. Le Clézio, Breton French-Mauritian author and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1942 – Bill Conti, American composer and conductor

- 1946 – Al Green, American singer-songwriter, producer, and pastor

- 1949 – Christopher Hitchens, English-American essayist, literary critic, and journalist

- 1951 – Joachim Streich, German footballer and manager

- 1960 – Rudi Völler, German footballer and manager

- 1963 – Garry Kasparov, Russian chess player and author

- 1975 – Lou Bega, German singer-songwriter

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Quote of the day

The glow of one warm thought is to me worth more than money.

- Thomas Jefferson (American Presiden, 1743-1826) -

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Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Mercunova, Midasia

Man, you guys hear about that thing down in Samothrace? Apparently the Syrian civil war have finally spilled over there and just when their democratic government got up and running too. Poor guys.

Axeldonia wrote:Man, you guys hear about that thing down in Samothrace? Apparently the Syrian civil war have finally spilled over there and just when their democratic government got up and running too. Poor guys.

The whole situation is a mess, man.

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Yes, like pre-1776. When they had the adult supervision necessary to keep them safe from the downward spiral that would come to a head in November 2016.

Oh God not this again

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Yes, like pre-1776. When they had the adult supervision necessary to keep them safe from the downward spiral that would come to a head in November 2016.

#MakeamericaBritishagain

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:#Makeamericabrittishagain

Yes, precisely. But next time with capitals and with "British" spelled correctly. We're not re-colonizing their country just to mimic their public school standards!

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Axeldonia wrote:#MakeamericaBritishagain

#NoThanks

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Mercunova wrote:#NoThanks

#Nou

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Confederal States

Mercunova wrote:#NoThanks

You don't want to be British again, trust me. Take it from someone whose country has suffered under London misrule for over 3 centuries.

Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:You don't want to be British again, trust me. Take it from someone whose country has suffered under London misrule for over 3 centuries.

Come back when you've had 7 and a half of it ;)

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:Come back when you've had 7 and a half of it ;)

The Irish were the wost off. They had over 800 years!

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:The Irish were the wost [quote=nuremgard;30220936]The Irish were the wost off. They had over 800 years!

Well the Normans did invade Wales in 1067 before they got to Ireland lol.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:Well the Normans did invade Wales in 1067 before they got to Ireland lol.

French assholes lol.

Think Wales will ever become independent?

Saint William The Horrid

Mercunova wrote:#NoThanks

#NotEvenTwice

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:French assholes lol.

Think Wales will ever become independent?

I can’t see it’s economy fairing too well tbh

Penguania And Antarctica

The West Country wrote:I can’t see it’s economy fairing too well tbh

I don't know enough about the Welsh economy to properly comment. Cool flag by the way.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

Nuremgard wrote:I don't know enough about the Welsh economy to properly comment. Cool flag by the way.
it’s the flag of my county!

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

The West Country wrote:it’s the flag of my county!

Nothing beats this though.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg/1200px-Royal_Banner_of_Scotland.svg.png

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

https://twitter.com/AP/status/984807120406286336

So according to Russia, Britain decided to just go and use some Chemical Weapons on the Syrians. It totally wasn't Russia guys :P

Kalaron wrote:https://twitter.com/AP/status/984807120406286336

So according to Russia, Britain decided to just go and use some Chemical Weapons on the Syrians. It totally wasn't Russia guys :P

Yeah. A western government would never do something terrible to realise geopolitical goals. Our governments are whiter than white and Russia is evil incarnate.

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. A western government would never do something terrible to realise geopolitical goals. Our governments are whiter than white and Russia is evil incarnate.

And we trust Russia because of it's long and storied history of honesty and lack of duplicity, right?

And it's totally unconnected to their recent struggle in Britain after they tried to murder a spy, right?

Western Governments aren't white sheep, but at the same time being so hasty to ignore the history of duplicity from Russia is a great way to be as a fifth column for them. Especially when they make such silly comments after Britain was validated in that Russia used a nerve agent to try to kill a British man in what seems to be a case of a real life Spongebob mocking meme. Of course, it doesn't help that they acknowledged that they deployed """"their own investigators"""" to the scene ahead of OPCW honestly.

Kalaron wrote:And we trust Russia because of it's long and storied history of honesty and lack of duplicity, right?

And it's totally unconnected to their recent struggle in Britain after they tried to murder a spy, right?

Western Governments aren't white sheep, but at the same time being so hasty to ignore the history of duplicity from Russia is a great way to be as a fifth column for them. Especially when they make such silly comments after Britain was validated in that Russia used a nerve agent to try to kill a British man in what seems to be a case of a real life Spongebob mocking meme. Of course, it doesn't help that they acknowledged that they deployed """"their own investigators"""" to the scene ahead of OPCW honestly.

All of this is immaterial. The US and UK were going to act regardless. This is just a convenient excuse to get officially involved. Asaad could have farted in their general direction and the Americans would have used it as an excuse to intervene in Syria.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:All of this is immaterial. The US and UK were going to act regardless. This is just a convenient excuse to get officially involved. Asaad could have farted in their general direction and the Americans would have used it as an excuse to intervene in Syria.

No, it's pretty material to the case of "Russia is lying to the public to cover up their heinous actions alongside Assad since he literally bombs people to put fear in them the next time they think to try to rise up". Unsurprisingly, bombing civilians purposefully or deploying chemical weapons to prove the point of "Rise up and I will crush you while a super power covers my back" is something you don't want getting out, but that doesn't change the immoral nature of lying to the international community about it.

Of course, you're maybe not wrong about Syria in so far as we would have intervened. The brutal nature with which Assad is IEDing his people is pretty messed up so it's in the american and British vocabulary to intervene since Assad already had Russia intervene on his side when the people themselves tried to mess up and will continue to have their ear in the future. It helps that Russia attacked the US as well through our election tho so *shrug*

Overall, we probably would have intervened, that doesn't change that deliberately bombing your own people with an aimless, meandering weapon is bad though? And lying with your friend to blame it on the proverbial kid who's going through some tough times is still bad as well.

Kalaron wrote:No, it's pretty material to the case of "Russia is lying to the public to cover up their heinous actions alongside Assad since he literally bombs people to put fear in them the next time they think to try to rise up". Unsurprisingly, bombing civilians purposefully or deploying chemical weapons to prove the point of "Rise up and I will crush you while a super power covers my back" is something you don't want getting out, but that doesn't change the immoral nature of lying to the international community about it.

Of course, you're maybe not wrong about Syria in so far as we would have intervened. The brutal nature with which Assad is IEDing his people is pretty messed up so it's in the american and British vocabulary to intervene since Assad already had Russia intervene on his side when the people themselves tried to mess up and will continue to have their ear in the future. It helps that Russia attacked the US as well through our election tho so *shrug*

Overall, we probably would have intervened, that doesn't change that deliberately bombing your own people with an aimless, meandering weapon is bad though? And lying with your friend to blame it on the proverbial kid who's going through some tough times is still bad as well.

Asaad is no better or worse than other dictators in the region. No side in the Syrian civil war has clean hands.

Axeldonia

All this Syrian War and Anti-Russia talk is making me more and more glad to have my nation set up the way it is.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russkov Soviet wrote:All this Syrian War and Anti-Russia talk is making me more and more glad to have my nation set up the way it is.

Ran by anthropomorphic horses?

I cant believe I managed to spell that the first time without a red line going under it to correct me. I'm rather pleased with myself.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Well, with strikes now be ordered on Syria by the US, with France and the UK following, I guess this is life now.

The West Country

Sulania wrote:Well, with strikes now be ordered on Syria by the US, with France and the UK following, I guess this is life now.

Shame we cant strap Trump and May to two of the missiles. I'm sure they'd be happy to give their lives for this noble cause.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Asaad is no better or worse than other dictators in the region. No side in the Syrian civil war has clean hands.

I mean, two points.

One, Assad is like the other dictators -who survived Arab Spring- in that he put down the revolts that came from his heavy handed policies. That isn't what's at bat here in terms of being horrible tho. It's his handling of people revolting in that he actively is following a terror bombing stratagem that places "Put your people down so they know not to raise their head" at the forefront of tactical thought. This is part of the Arab dictator's lexicon though so I'm glad to at least see we agree on that. So the problem becomes "what'd Assad do that makes him "bad" comparatively and it really really depends on if you apply morals to more countries than your own.

Openly, repeatedly, deliberately bombing people with chemical weapons IMO falls under that category. So does indiscriminately bombing people who probably weren't even involved (Assad's father was really really "good" at breaking people when it came to his war) in the uprising just so that those still resisting know that help isn't coming in a meaningful form.

Assad is actively pursuing this extremely destructive methodology of course because it's a dictator's whole shtick, but it's also unneeded to go to these levels of weapon releases, and it's completely unneeded to drop chemical weapons on people regardless.

Two, while neither side has clean hands neither the United States, it's allies nor even the disparate members of it's coalition are "quite" as bad as Assad or Russia since the US has to date not released poison gas inside of Syria and doesn't seem intent to do so. Nor are it's allies in the region just dropping cluster munitions on cities like Assad is trying to emulate through Barrel Bombs and like I showed last night the US is pushing for weapons that reduce casualties to civilians as well which at least shows that the US military is compassionate as far as militaries in high intensity situations really go. Indeed, while neither side is perfectly "clean" the US isn't trying to see exactly how much blood can really dye into it's skin from it.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, two points.

One, Assad is like the other dictators -who survived Arab Spring- in that he put down the revolts that came from his heavy handed policies. That isn't what's at bat here in terms of being horrible tho. It's his handling of people revolting in that he actively is following a terror bombing stratagem that places "Put your people down so they know not to raise their head" at the forefront of tactical thought. This is part of the Arab dictator's lexicon though so I'm glad to at least see we agree on that. So the problem becomes "what'd Assad do that makes him "bad" comparatively and it really really depends on if you apply morals to more countries than your own.

Openly, repeatedly, deliberately bombing people with chemical weapons IMO falls under that category. So does indiscriminately bombing people who probably weren't even involved (Assad's father was really really "good" at breaking people when it came to his war) in the uprising just so that those still resisting know that help isn't coming in a meaningful form.

Assad is actively pursuing this extremely destructive methodology of course because it's a dictator's whole shtick, but it's also unneeded to go to these levels of weapon releases, and it's completely unneeded to drop chemical weapons on people regardless.

Two, while neither side has clean hands neither the United States, it's allies nor even the disparate members of it's coalition are "quite" as bad as Assad or Russia since the US has to date not released poison gas inside of Syria and doesn't seem intent to do so. Nor are it's allies in the region just dropping cluster munitions on cities like Assad is trying to emulate through Barrel Bombs and like I showed last night the US is pushing for weapons that reduce casualties to civilians as well which at least shows that the US military is compassionate as far as militaries in high intensity situations really go. Indeed, while neither side is perfectly "clean" the US isn't trying to see exactly how much blood can really dye into it's skin from it.

No need to argue your point anymore, Kal. You got what you wanted. The US, UK and France have intervened.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Shame we cant strap Trump and May to two of the missiles. I'm sure they'd be happy to give their lives for this noble cause.

Dude, you could have literally quoted Trump and used "Righteous" instead of noble. You missed it by a hair

Nuremgard wrote:No need to argue your point anymore, Kal. You got what you wanted. The US, UK and France have intervened.

I wasn't arguing for the president's -or really anyone's- benefit tbh. I am glad at that though since our original reason for staying out (ISIL) is becoming more and more irrelevant to coalition forces. Hopefully we can get a real moratorium on the gas that lasts more than a year by whipping Syria on the nose for doing it.

Sulania wrote:Dude, you could have literally quoted Trump and used "Righteous" instead of noble. You missed it by a hair

I'm not surprised. I hate this f*cking world. Now I'm only hoping Russia doesn't respond too brashly. My hope for not starting a war is resting on Vladimir f*cking Putin.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:My hope for not starting a war is resting on Vladimir f*cking Putin.

Now that is horrifying.

Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

Kalaron wrote:I wasn't arguing for the president's -or really anyone's- benefit tbh. I am glad at that though since our original reason for staying out (ISIL) is becoming more and more irrelevant to coalition forces. Hopefully we can get a real moratorium on the gas that lasts more than a year by whipping Syria on the nose for doing it.

Yes, I'm sure now that you've spanked Asaad for being a naughty boy, he wont do it again. And I'm sure any civilian casualties will be "collateral damage" and "accidents."

Axeldonia

Sulania wrote:Now that is horrifying.

Your President and my Prime Minister need bullets in their heads.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Ran by anthropomorphic horses?

I cant believe I managed to spell that the first time without a red line going under it to correct me. I'm rather pleased with myself.

That and the way I actually run it, both in nation and internationally.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Yes, I'm sure now that you've spanked Asaad for being a naughty boy, he wont do it again. And I'm sure any civilian casualties will be "collateral damage" and "accidents."

I mean, the US doesn't really bomb civilians on purpose like Assad so yeah probably. And I mean, the last time it got a year of not doing it so actually committing to punishing Assad probably will convince him not to since the morality of bombing his own people hasn't.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm not surprised. I hate this f*cking world. Now I'm only hoping Russia doesn't respond too brashly. My hope for not starting a war is resting on Vladimir f*cking Putin.

It's a virtual impossibility that a world war will start over this IMO. Russia understands implicitly that to war with the United States is to begin a cycle of the end and neither Putin nor Trump are really banking on ending the world. Both Putin and Trump -improbable as it is- are banking on this staying contained since Russia has neither the power for a restrained war in the area (Refer to my previous ladder of escalation) and America hasn't the political staying power to actually keep at something without constant reminders about "the cause" and other such words. It's improbable that a former KGB agent would act so rashly as to end the world and less than marginally larger that Trump would -on a whim- actually escalate this that far.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, the US doesn't really bomb civilians on purpose like Assad so yeah probably. And I mean, the last time it got a year of not doing it so actually committing to punishing Assad probably will convince him not to since the morality of bombing his own people hasn't.

It's a virtual impossibility that a world war will start over this IMO. Russia understands implicitly that to war with the United States is to begin a cycle of the end and neither Putin nor Trump are really banking on ending the world. Both Putin and Trump -improbable as it is- are banking on this staying contained since Russia has neither the power for a restrained war in the area (Refer to my previous ladder of escalation) and America hasn't the political staying power to actually keep at something without constant reminders about "the cause" and other such words. It's improbable that a former KGB agent would act so rashly as to end the world and less than marginally larger that Trump would -on a whim- actually escalate this that far.

Oh, well that makes me feel better. *eye roll*

Axeldonia

Kalaron wrote:I mean, the US doesn't really bomb civilians on purpose like Assad so yeah probably. And I mean, the last time it got a year of not doing it so actually committing to punishing Assad probably will convince him not to since the morality of bombing his own people hasn't.

It's a virtual impossibility that a world war will start over this IMO. Russia understands implicitly that to war with the United States is to begin a cycle of the end and neither Putin nor Trump are really banking on ending the world. Both Putin and Trump -improbable as it is- are banking on this staying contained since Russia has neither the power for a restrained war in the area (Refer to my previous ladder of escalation) and America hasn't the political staying power to actually keep at something without constant reminders about "the cause" and other such words. It's improbable that a former KGB agent would act so rashly as to end the world and less than marginally larger that Trump would -on a whim- actually escalate this that far.

Well, the Cold War is back with a vengeance, and I don't know how we'll fair this time around.

Sulania wrote:Well, the Cold War is back with a vengeance, and I don't know who we'll fair this time around.

Arguably, it merely went into remission. Depending on if Europe and the West in general can get it's shizza sorted out with minimal lag time, it'll be the West still.

As of right now, if the US and Western Europe can actually fix their priorities on resetting Russia's presidency (Since the people don't seem to want him very much either) we can avoid a prolonged period of cold war in favour of good old Status Quo.

First order of business to preventing this period of time from being prolonged should be to take Russia's little land acquisitions away from them and then we can question if we like the look of temporary appeasement better than putting the country in the people's hands, which we probably will.

Kalaron wrote:Arguably, it merely went into remission. Depending on if Europe and the West in general can get it's shizza sorted out with minimal lag time, it'll be the West still.

As of right now, if the US and Western Europe can actually fix their priorities on resetting Russia's presidency (Since the people don't seem to want him very much either) we can avoid a prolonged period of cold war in favour of good old Status Quo.

First order of business to preventing this period of time from being prolonged should be to take Russia's little land acquisitions away from them and then we can question if we like the look of temporary appeasement better than putting the country in the people's hands, which we probably will.

"Resetting Russia's Presidency"

Kal

We can't just regime-change Russia. It didn't happen in the Soviet Cold War, and I more than doubt it will happen now.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

Sulania wrote:"Resetting Russia's Presidency"

Kal

We can't just regime-change Russia. It didn't happen in the Soviet Cold War, and I more than doubt it will happen now.

Maybe Russia should invade the US and regime change it. I mean, if the US can overthrow foreign governments it doesn't like, so can Russia. I am sure the American people will understand it's for their own good and will do as they are told.

Axeldonia

Sulania wrote:"Resetting Russia's Presidency"

Kal

We can't just regime-change Russia. It didn't happen in the Soviet Cold War, and I more than doubt it will happen now.

I mean...Russia does have oil....

Axeldonia, The West Country

Unfallious wrote:I mean...Russia does have oil....

Don't give them ideas, Unf.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

Strikes are over BTW. Apparently we used 118 missiles this time.

Sulania wrote:"Resetting Russia's Presidency"

Kal

We can't just regime-change Russia. It didn't happen in the Soviet Cold War, and I more than doubt it will happen now.

You're right, I got overzealous there. It's more accurate to say that the US should bring Putin back to the implicit understanding that he hasn't broken the support structures of the west despite grandiose efforts. We can live with Russia's regime so long as they stop their attacks on the west's stability I suppose.

Nuremgard wrote:Maybe Russia should invade the US and regime change it. I mean, if the US can overthrow foreign governments it doesn't like, so can Russia. I am sure the American people will understand it's for their own good and will do as they are told.

Does the US have literally rigged elections alongside a ruling caste that hasn't moved in 20 years despite substantial pushes for it alongside being the very definition of a kleptocracy?

The answer is no, clearly (Though the ruling caste is getting cemented the farther we head :/), but I suppose it has to be said that America and Russia have entirely separate issues defined by significantly different practices in the fields of politics among other things.

But hey, I'm sure Putin really did win a over 65% majority among Russian voters because he's a very popular and fair president who doesn't take his popular opponents and throw them in jail :V

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Strikes are over BTW. Apparently we used 118 missiles this time.

You're right, I got overzealous there. It's more accurate to say that the US should bring Putin back to the implicit understanding that he hasn't broken the support structures of the west despite grandiose efforts. We can live with Russia's regime so long as they stop their attacks on the west's stability I suppose.

Does the US have literally rigged elections alongside a ruling caste that hasn't moved in 20 years despite substantial pushes for it alongside being the very definition of a kleptocracy?

The answer is no, clearly (Though the ruling caste is getting cemented the farther we head :/), but I suppose it has to be said that America and Russia have entirely separate issues defined by significantly different practices in the fields of politics among other things.

But hey, I'm sure Putin really did win a over 65% majority among Russian voters because he's a very popular and fair president who doesn't take his popular opponents and throw them in jail :V

The Russian ambassador says there will be consequences. What fun that will be. As someone who lives in a city just next to where Britain's nukes are kept, I'm feeling very jittery right now.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:The Russian ambassador says there will be consequences. What fun that will be. As someone who lives in a city just next to where Britain's nukes are kept, I'm feeling very jittery right now.

You shouldn't. If we were gonna get nuked, why would the ambassador tweet about it more than 20~ minutes after the strike?

Whatever consequences there are will be at most political and economic ones. Probably more election rigging by Russia where able.

Kalaron wrote:You shouldn't. If we were gonna get nuked, why would the ambassador tweet about it more than 20~ minutes after the strike?

Whatever consequences there are will be at most political and economic ones. Probably more election rigging by Russia where able.

And if Russia decides to retaliate militarily by assisting its Syrian ally in any future strikes? War with Russia? That'll end well.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:And if Russia decides to retaliate militarily by assisting its Syrian ally in any future strikes? War with Russia? That'll end well.

Like bombing US backed rebels or deploying auxiliaries to attack US backed rebels who have US instructors with them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/03/01/russia-and-the-syrian-regime-bombed-u-s-backed-fighters-in-syria-u-s-general-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.614d0f54d189

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/what-we-know-about-the-shadowy-russian-mercenary-firm-behind-the-attack-on-u-s-troops-in-syria/?utm_term=.39d8bd39adbb

The USA attacked Syrian airbases, this is hardly new from what we did the last time Assad did so why would they suddenly seek a truly radical (I think the only one is a suicide approach to bomb a US base but Russia knows it's fighters would blow up half-way there so it wouldn't do that?) rather than just doing as they normally would and using their missiles to shield the base from TLAM strikes in the future.

Kalaron wrote:Like bombing US backed rebels or deploying auxiliaries to attack US backed rebels who have US instructors with them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/03/01/russia-and-the-syrian-regime-bombed-u-s-backed-fighters-in-syria-u-s-general-says/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.614d0f54d189

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/23/what-we-know-about-the-shadowy-russian-mercenary-firm-behind-the-attack-on-u-s-troops-in-syria/?utm_term=.39d8bd39adbb

The USA attacked Syrian airbases, this is hardly new from what we did the last time Assad did so why would they suddenly seek a truly radical (I think the only one is a suicide approach to bomb a US base but Russia knows it's fighters would blow up half-way there so it wouldn't do that?) rather than just doing as they normally would and using their missiles to shield the base from TLAM strikes in the future.

Oh, I feel so assured now.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Oh, I feel so assured now.

I mean, again, you should?

This means that you'll see more political whining from Russia than anything alongside deployment of it's limited supply of modern anti-air missiles like SA-21 rather than an actual attack on the US or Britain or anything world war inducing.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, again, you should?

This means that you'll see more political whining from Russia than anything alongside deployment of it's limited supply of modern anti-air missiles like SA-21 rather than an actual attack on the US or Britain or anything world war inducing.

Thanks for that, Oracle. Can I have the lottery numbers as well?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Thanks for that, Oracle. Can I have the lottery numbers as well?

I can only give three:

59, 118 and 236 ;>

Kalaron wrote:I can only give three:

59, 118 and 236 ;>

Lovely how you can be so glib. Then again, you can be. You're not the one who had foreign missiles blowing your country apart tonight.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Lovely how you can be so glib. Then again, you can be. You're not the one who had foreign missiles blowing your country apart tonight.

I'm certain the folks he's gassed are crying for his bases as we speak. Or crying in general from the results of being gassed.

Them or the one's he's deliberately used barrel bombs on maybe.

Kalaron wrote:I'm certain the folks he's gassed are crying for his bases as we speak. Or crying in general from the results of being gassed.

Them or the one's he's deliberately used barrel bombs on maybe.

I'm sure the ones who oppose him are begging to be blown up by American bombs instead. Much better to be murdered by nice westerners than brown dictators.

Quit it with the "we are so amazingly righteous" rhetoric, Kal. Your own country has used gas in the past so seriously, STFU.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sure the ones who oppose him are begging to be blown up by American bombs instead. Much better to be murdered by nice westerners than brown dictators.

Quit it with the "we are so amazingly righteous" rhetoric, Kal. Your own country has used gas in the past so seriously, STFU.

We did the strike against Assad's bases and the plants vital to producing chemical weapon components so maybe a minute number of civilians did die if they were being boxed into the base itself. I know Syrian bases shut power off in some areas to try to misdirect the US missiles against civilians, though it didn't work...and to be honest I am sorry for them since the loss of innocent life should be avoided wherever possible.

As for the second point, when Russia ceases to support a country that uses chemical weapons in attacks, I'll maybe downgrade the comparisons but likely won't stop since Russia is still able to choose how they attack the issue and probably will always choose "Bomb the lot of them" since they still use 1980's methods like in Afghanistan.

As the last point tonight, using the whataboutism is bad form in general, but it's especially bad to use it when the key word is "In the past" with the latest even being about 50 years ago (Vietnam) for direct usage and few people actually defend it's usage today.

Now all that aside, I will actually be stepping away for a while if not the rest of tonight. I got some Vids to watch and an eventual husbando to talk to at some point.

Kalaron wrote:We did the strike against Assad's bases and the plants vital to producing chemical weapon components so maybe a minute number of civilians did die if they were being boxed into the base itself. I know Syrian bases shut power off in some areas to try to misdirect the US missiles against civilians, though it didn't work...and to be honest I am sorry for them since the loss of innocent life should be avoided wherever possible.

As for the second point, when Russia ceases to support a country that uses chemical weapons in attacks, I'll maybe downgrade the comparisons but likely won't stop since Russia is still able to choose how they attack the issue and probably will always choose "Bomb the lot of them" since they still use 1980's methods like in Afghanistan.

As the last point tonight, using the whataboutism is bad form in general, but it's especially bad to use it when the key word is "In the past" with the latest even being about 50 years ago (Vietnam) for direct usage and few people actually defend it's usage today.

Now all that aside, I will actually be stepping away for a while if not the rest of tonight. I got some Vids to watch and an eventual husbando to talk to at some point.

Yeah, you do that. I'm done talking to you.

Axeldonia

It's now less than 24 hours and Kal will be with me at my uni.

Very exciting.

Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Why would Assad gas his own people when he's winning the civil war with popular support while the international community was starting to recognize him as the legitimate ruler of Syria? Something doesn't really line up here, and I wouldn't be surprised if the chemical attacks that were supposedly done by the Syrian government were actually taken out by rebel groups trying to get the international community to oppose Assad through a military intervention in Syria. In fact, the Russians predicted that the rebels would carry about a chemical attack.

http://tass.com/defense/998199

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Gualimole wrote:Why would Assad gas his own people when he's winning the civil war with popular support while the international community was starting to recognize him as the legitimate ruler of Syria? Something doesn't really line up here, and I wouldn't be surprised if the chemical attacks that were supposedly done by the Syrian government were actually taken out by rebel groups trying to get the international community to oppose Assad through a military intervention in Syria. In fact, the Russians predicted that the rebels would carry about a chemical attack.

http://tass.com/defense/998199

Because that popular support would decrease after the war when people aren't faced with the results of ISIL? Fear, Constidor, is a powerful motivator. As I've said probably a hundred times now, if Assad makes the Syrian people who'd revolt fear him to the point of no longer being willing to fight -like the forces of the Iraqi Republican Army in 2003- then he wins for decades. It's the most horrifying weapon the Syrian gov really has and he was relying on the Russian Gov to ward away the West from threatening him too bad. Need I remind you that his father too killed people in droves during the last uprising?

It makes complete sense when you stop looking at the event like a Western person who's grown up surrounded by COIN-esque principles and accept that the defacto method of securing semi-permanent acceptance in some areas of the world really is to just "kill people until they stop fighting back" when you have a dictatorship who only needs people to like you insofar as any dictator needs to be liked.

I mean, apparently it was secretly the British the whole time according to Russia so I'm not all that certain that they're really the best source?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/13/russia-syria-chemical-attack-fabrication-foreign-intelligence-agency/514039002/

Jaslandia

I am going to start and host the Confederacy Sports Association (CSA) with three sports and three seasons these sports are baseball, football, and soccer. (the seasons will be spring, fall, and winter)

The first season will be baseball season which will typically be in April, but will start on May 1 just this once. (Football will be in September and Soccer in December)

More game mechanics will be released in the next few days but it is basically a mixture of skill acquired (teams will gain skill as they play) and skill assigned to sports Skill Level (each nation will start with the same amount of total skill but can allocate this among teams), there will also be an aspect of randomness.

I started working on these mechanics earlier today and have spent at least a few hours and they will take at least a few more, but I would love to see some applications to know that there is interest in this project. To participate TG me the form below.

Nation:

Baseball Team Name:

Baseball Skill Level: (5-15)

Soccer Team Name:

Soccer Skill Level: (5-15)

Football Team Name:

Football Skill Level: (5-15)

Everything is fair play but all the skill levels have to add up to thirty!

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Confederal States

Kalaron wrote:Because that popular support would decrease after the war when people aren't faced with the results of ISIL? Fear, Constidor, is a powerful motivator. As I've said probably a hundred times now, if Assad makes the Syrian people who'd revolt fear him to the point of no longer being willing to fight -like the forces of the Iraqi Republican Army in 2003- then he wins for decades. It's the most horrifying weapon the Syrian gov really has and he was relying on the Russian Gov to ward away the West from threatening him too bad. Need I remind you that his father too killed people in droves during the last uprising?

It makes complete sense when you stop looking at the event like a Western person who's grown up surrounded by COIN-esque principles and accept that the defacto method of securing semi-permanent acceptance in some areas of the world really is to just "kill people until they stop fighting back" when you have a dictatorship who only needs people to like you insofar as any dictator needs to be liked.

I mean, apparently it was secretly the British the whole time according to Russia so I'm not all that certain that they're really the best source?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/13/russia-syria-chemical-attack-fabrication-foreign-intelligence-agency/514039002/

Don't act like I'm an outsider looking in. I have lived a large portion of my life under Saddam's Iraq and in Jordan, which is a constitutional monarchy with a puppet legislature under a powerful king. It's true that fear has been used time and time again by dictatorships and authoritarian regimes in general to control their people, but the nuances of what is going on in Syria makes Assad's regime a bit different. For one, he's promised free elections after the end of the civil war, which is more likely than you think it is because many have said that he is more of a reformer than his father was. Not only that, but Assad was inevitably going to win the Syrian Civil War before the uncertainties that he is facing now. He was pushing back rebel groups in cooperation with the Kurds, so there was no strategic reason for him to kill his own people, especially when a Syrian airbase that was supposedly involved in a chemical attack last year was bombed by the US at the time.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

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Gualimole wrote:Don't act like I'm an outsider looking in. I have lived a large portion of my life under Saddam's Iraq and in Jordan, which is a constitutional monarchy with a puppet legislature under a powerful king. It's true that fear has been used time and time again by dictatorships and authoritarian regimes in general to control their people, but the nuances of what is going on in Syria makes Assad's regime a bit different. For one, he's promised free elections after the end of the civil war, which is more likely than you think it is because many have said that he is more of a reformer than his father was. Not only that, but Assad was inevitably going to win the Syrian Civil War before the uncertainties that he is facing now. He was pushing back rebel groups in cooperation with the Kurds, so there was no strategic reason for him to kill his own people, especially when a Syrian airbase that was supposedly involved in a chemical attack last year was bombed by the US at the time.

A promise is cheap. It's a great way to win a support base for a limited time but the primary advantage is that it's cheap. The strategic reason doesn't come into play during the war, it comes into play thereafter while Assad goes back on his promises since anyone who would have rebelled before is suddenly deathly afraid of what'll happen if they stand back up to fight. The strike on that airbase was an outlier in a string of false promises on the part of the US, honestly. Despite numerous reports of such weapons being used all the way back in 2013-2017 we only really responded violently to the incident in 2017. We were also able to link the destroyed stockpiles to previous attacks they denied as well, of course. Overall the response to chemical weapon usage has been very tame, actually.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-opcw-timeline/timeline-of-investigations-into-syrias-chemical-weapons-idUSKBN1HG1M7

E: It's one in the morning here, so I'll be knocking off. I'll probably come on NS tomorrow unless I like, explode from being "good nervous"

So, what did I miss while I was gone?

'More Syria debates and a Nazi troll'

Oh, just lovely. On the bright side, at least we got a troll this time. Adds a little more variety. /sarcasm

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:So, what did I miss while I was gone?

'More Syria debates and a Nazi troll'

Oh, just lovely. On the bright side, at least we got a troll this time. Adds a little more variety. /sarcasm

TY for suppressing him. I was about to before remembering that I forgot to remove my role on the WFE like an idiot. I'm gonna remove it now.

E: How was your day, by the way?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:So, what did I miss while I was gone?

'More Syria debates and a Nazi troll'

Oh, just lovely. On the bright side, at least we got a troll this time. Adds a little more variety. /sarcasm

And named Naziwarrior of all things.... Hitler's bastard children shouldn't be online... I thought they were too busy marching and heiling and heiling and marching... xP

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:TY for suppressing him. I was about to before remembering that I forgot to remove my role on the WFE like an idiot. I'm gonna remove it now.

E: How was your day, by the way?

It's been good. I got some homework done, and I finished a paper I had been working on for a week (went a little overboard though; wrote nearly 3,900 words for a paper with a minimum word count of 1,500). What about you? How has your day been?

Russkov Soviet wrote:And named Naziwarrior of all things.... Hitler's bastard children shouldn't be online... I thought they were too busy marching and heiling and heiling and marching... xP

He's probably not even a real Nazi. More likely to be an edgy 12-year-old who thinks it's funny to get a rise out of people.

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:So, what did I miss while I was gone?

'More Syria debates and a Nazi troll'

Oh, just lovely. On the bright side, at least we got a troll this time. Adds a little more variety. /sarcasm

I've honestly largely given up on politics for the most part at this point, aside from some small bits of activism. Because politics has become so blegh.

Have the beginning of a family, future, and my faith to focus on.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:It's been good. I got some homework done, and I finished a paper I had been working on for a week (went a little overboard though; wrote nearly 3,900 words for a paper with a minimum word count of 1,500). What about you? How has your day been?

He's probably not even a real Nazi. More likely to be an edgy 12-year-old who thinks it's funny to get a rise out of people.

It's been sleepy. I'm waiting for tomorrow so I can go visit Tim :>

Sulania wrote:I've honestly largely given up on politics for the most part at this point, aside from some small bits of activism. Because politics has become so blegh.

Have the beginning of a family, future, and my faith to focus on.

<3

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:It's been good. I got some homework done, and I finished a paper I had been working on for a week (went a little overboard though; wrote nearly 3,900 words for a paper with a minimum word count of 1,500). What about you? How has your day been?

He's probably not even a real Nazi. More likely to be an edgy 12-year-old who thinks it's funny to get a rise out of people.

Lets see... His currency is *Something* and his national animal is the *Trouser Snake* .... Yep. Confirmed. I gotta love how this is so boring... Kids these days...

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:I've honestly largely given up on politics for the most part at this point, aside from some small bits of activism. Because politics has become so blegh.

Have the beginning of a family, future, and my faith to focus on.

Understandable. I personally still follow politics, and I read a lot of news. But I don't like discussing politics (both in real life and online). It doesn't seem to accomplish anything, and everyone leaves the debate with roughly the same opinion as the one they started with. And that's not even counting how toxic and mean-spirited political discussions can get.

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:Understandable. I personally still follow politics, and I read a lot of news. But I don't like discussing politics (both in real life and online). It doesn't seem to accomplish anything, and everyone leaves the debate with roughly the same opinion as the one they started with. And that's not even counting how toxic and mean-spirited political discussions can get.

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Kalaron wrote:It's been sleepy. I'm waiting for tomorrow so I can go visit Tim :>

<3

Mine.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Yeah, pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Mine.

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Penguania And Antarctica

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https://youtu.be/2dTh3iI0is8

Penguania And Antarctica, Saint William The Horrid

Hey guys, what's up?

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The West Country

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/2dTh3iI0is8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1CdPxXEzoo

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

What happened to the international law/international humanitarian law?

Saint William The Horrid wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Hello and welcome to the region.

Saint William The Horrid

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Hiya folks, some of my bills are up for voting, have a gander if you're interested.

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/80/citizen-confidentiality-amendment

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/82/codification-internal-affairs-act

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/81/mentorship-act

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

I see the media has already began its w*ankfest over how amazing the strikes were.

Guardian: The strikes show the West is serious about chemical weapons.

Lol yeah. "Now, now, Asaad. If you want to kill your own people, you make sure you stone them and cut their heads off like those nice, civilised Saudis do! Don't you be a naughty boy and use chemical weapons!"

Axeldonia, Mercunova, Gualimole

Right now we have 3 sports teams out of 8 that I want for the first season! Send in an application!

Russkov Soviet, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:What happened to the international law/international humanitarian law?

The US doesn't have to follow it because of AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Mercunova

The Shah has abolished parking charges at hospitals and sells prescriptions for free. The next policy step is establish an NHS.

Nuremgard wrote:I see the media has already began its w*ankfest over how amazing the strikes were.

Guardian: The strikes show the West is serious about chemical weapons.

Lol yeah. "Now, now, Asaad. If you want to kill your own people, you make sure you stone them and cut their heads off like those nice, civilised Saudis do! Don't you be a naughty boy and use chemical weapons!"

Nur, I understand that this is probably just a a lost cause so I'll only make the one message. Do you think that knives drift on the wind in middle eastern countries, savagely beheading people random people with no thought at all to who they were, EMT or no?

If the answer is no, then you have a bit of the reason that dropping chemical weapons on people is worse since it's a gas and inherently drifts on the wind.

I've decided to include some effects of posion gas to get it through to you that releasing this on a city is worse that killing a much smaller subsect of people with targetable weapons.

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/chlorine/basics/facts.asp

Believe it or not, a bunch of folks gathered in a room in 1990 because completely indiscriminate weapons are inherently worse to a multitude of civilians than a knife or bomb. There's a reason you count toxicity in parts (literally molecules) per million. It requires (Using some very napkin estimates) .02 ppm to kill you or anyone near you or even people farther away with a light wind.

Phosgene gas meanwhile can be rapidly fatal at 500PPM and has been fatal at levels of 3PPM. It's heavier than air and travels slowly, but as a consequence when Assad releases it in the heart of a city casualties for people who got caught would be higher.

Here's some recollections of the first Phosgene attack back in 1916, maybe it can get across the point where I fail?

http://chemicalweapons.cenmag.org/first-hand-accounts-of-the-first-chlorine-gas-attack/

Kalaron wrote:Nur, I understand that this is probably just a a lost cause so I'll only make the one message. Do you think that knives drift on the wind in middle eastern countries, savagely beheading people random people with no thought at all to who they were, EMT or no?

If the answer is no, then you have a bit of the reason that dropping chemical weapons on people is worse since it's a gas and inherently drifts on the wind.

I've decided to include some effects of posion gas to get it through to you that releasing this on a city is worse that killing a much smaller subsect of people with targetable weapons.

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/sarin/basics/facts.asp

https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/chlorine/basics/facts.asp

Believe it or not, a bunch of folks gathered in a room in 1990 because completely indiscriminate weapons are inherently worse to a multitude of civilians than a knife or bomb. There's a reason you count toxicity in parts (literally molecules) per million. It requires (Using some very napkin estimates) .02 ppm to kill you or anyone near you or even people farther away with a light wind.

Phosgene gas meanwhile can be rapidly fatal at 500PPM and has been fatal at levels of 3PPM. It's heavier than air and travels slowly, but as a consequence when Assad releases it in the heart of a city casualties for people who got caught would be higher.

Here's some recollections of the first Phosgene attack back in 1916, maybe it can get across the point where I fail?

http://chemicalweapons.cenmag.org/first-hand-accounts-of-the-first-chlorine-gas-attack/

Still don't see why it's any of our business.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Still don't see why it's any of our business.

Because it becomes our buisness invariably otherwise since Russia doesn't give two shizz about terror groups so long as they don't operate in Russia or it's puppet lands.. I reiterate what I said nights ago: pay the ounce or suffer the pound later because suddenly saying "We don't care" to folks as they choke to death is a great way to normalize it everywhere. And letting russia push groups like ISIL out rather than exterminating them throughly is a great way to sit down as they spread.

Nur, two nights ago you said the Syrian people had a right to revolt. Here's the rub, Assad is gassing people to make them understand revolting will never work. Is it right for him to do that?

Kalaron wrote:Because it becomes our buisness invariably otherwise since Russia doesn't give two shizz about terror groups so long as they don't operate in Russia or it's puppet lands.. I reiterate what I said nights ago: pay the ounce or suffer the pound later because suddenly saying "We don't care" to folks as they choke to death is a great way to normalize it everywhere. And letting russia push groups like ISIL out rather than exterminating them throughly is a great way to sit down as they spread.

Nur, two nights ago you said the Syrian people had a right to revolt. Here's the rub, Assad is gassing people to make them understand revolting will never work. Is it right for him to do that?

No it's not right. I don't see how it's okay you think it's bad for Russia to support Asaad but fine for the West to support Islamic extremists against him. They're all arseholes together.

Axeldonia

Saint William The Horrid wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1CdPxXEzoo

https://youtu.be/VhqeNUFCyI0

Saint William The Horrid wrote:Hey guys, what's up?

Hello, Saint William! How are you?

Russkov Soviet, Saint William The Horrid

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/VhqeNUFCyI0

Hello, Saint William! How are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky2UP5j_pK8

I am doing okay, just bored and stressed. Hoping this weekend goes alright.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Question I just asked myself:

Can you be a trombonist if you have short arms? Because if your arms are too short you can't play all notes, I imagine.

Axeldonia, Yukona

[spoiler=Today is April 14 and today are:]

Today is April 14 and today are:

- Air Force Reserve Birthday (USAFR)

- Ambedkar Jayanti (India)

- America Day (Honduras)

- Ascension of the Prophet Muhammad (Indonesia)

- Baby Massage Day

- Baisakhi (Pakistan)

- Black Day (South Korea)

- Children with Alopecia Day

- Commemoration of Anfal Genocide Against the Kurds (Iraqi Kurdistan)

- Day of Mologa (Yaroslavl Oblast, Russia)

- Day of the Georgian language (Georgia)

- Dhivehi Language Day (Maldives)

- Dictionary Day

- Global Day to End Child Sexual Abuse

- International Moment of Laughter Day

- Look up at the Sky Day

- Maha Thingyan (Myanmar)

- National Dolphin Day (United States)

- National Ex Spouse Day (United States)

- National Gardening Day (United States)

- National Pan American Day (United States)

- National Pecan Day (United States)

- National Reach as High as You Can Day (United States)

- N'Ko Alphabet Day (Mande speakers)

- Pan American Day (The Americas)

- Pathologists Assistant Day

- Slow Art Day

- South and Southeast Asian New Year

- Songkran (Thailand)

- Takayama Spring Festival (Takayama, Gifu, Japan)

- Vaisakhi (India)

- Youth Day (Angola)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 43BC – Battle of Forum Gallorum: Mark Antony, besieging Caesar's assassin Decimus Brutus in Mutina, defeats the forces of the consul Pansa, but is then immediately defeated by the army of the other consul, Aulus Hirtius.

- AD69 – Vitellius, commander of the Rhine armies, defeats Emperor Otho in the Battle of Bedriacum and seizes the throne.

- AD70 – Siege of Jerusalem: Titus, son of emperor Vespasian, surrounds the Jewish capital with four Roman legions.

- 0193 – Septimius Severus is proclaimed Roman emperor by the army in Illyricum (in the Balkans).

- 0966 – After his marriage to the Christian Doubravka of Bohemia, the pagan ruler of the Polans, Mieszko I, converts to Christianity, an event considered to be the founding of the Polish state.

- 1028 – Henry III, son of Conrad, is elected King of Germany.

- 1205 – Battle of Adrianople between Bulgarians and Crusaders.

- 1294 – Temür, grandson of Kublai, is elected Khagan of the Mongols and Emperor of the Yuan dynasty with the reigning titles Oljeitu and Chengzong.

- 1341 – Sack of Saluzzo (Italy) by Italian-Angevine troops under Manfred V, Marquess of Saluzzo.

- 1434 – The foundation stone of Nantes Cathedral, France is laid.

- 1471 – In England, the Yorkists under Edward IV defeat the Lancastrians under the Earl of Warwick at the Battle of Barnet; the Earl is killed and Edward IV resumes the throne.

- 1561 – A Celestial phenomenon is reported over Nuremberg, described as an aerial battle.

- 1639 – Imperial forces are defeated by the Swedes at the Battle of Chemnitz. The Swedish victory prolongs the Thirty Years' War and allows them to advance into Bohemia.

- 1699 – Khalsa: The Sikh religion was formalised as the Khalsa - the brotherhood of Warrior-Saints - by Guru Gobind Singh in northern India, in accordance with the Nanakshahi calendar.

- 1715 – The Yamasee War begins in South Carolina.

- 1775 – The first abolition society in North America is established. The Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage is organized in Philadelphia by Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush.

- 1816 – Bussa, a slave in British-ruled Barbados, leads a slave rebellion and is killed. For this, he is remembered as the first national hero of Barbados.

- 1828 – Noah Webster copyrights the first edition of his dictionary.

- 1849 – Hungary declares itself independent of Austria with Lajos Kossuth as its leader.

- 1865 – U.S. President Abraham Lincoln is shot in Ford's Theatre by John Wilkes Booth; Lincoln died the next day.

- 1865 – U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward and his family are attacked at home by Lewis Powell.

- 1881 – The Four Dead in Five Seconds Gunfight is fought in El Paso, Texas.

- 1890 – The Pan-American Union is founded by the First International Conference of American States in Washington, D.C.

- 1894 – The first ever commercial motion picture house opened in New York City using ten Kinetoscopes, a device for peep-show viewing of films.

- 1900 – The Exposition Universelle begins.

- 1906 – The Azusa Street Revival opens and will launch Pentecostalism as a worldwide movement.

- 1908 – Hauser Dam, a steel dam on the Missouri River in Montana, U.S., fails, sending a surge of water 25 to 30 feet (7.6 to 9.1 m) high downstream.

- 1909 – A massacre is organized by the Ottoman Empire against the Armenian population of Cilicia.

- 1912 – The British passenger liner RMS Titanic hits an iceberg in the North Atlantic at 23:40 (sinks morning of April 15th).

- 1927 – The first Volvo car premieres in Gothenburg, Sweden.

- 1928 – The Bremen, a German Junkers W 33 type aircraft, reaches Greenly Island, Canada - the first successful transatlantic aeroplane flight from east to west.

- 1931 – The Spanish Cortes deposes King Alfonso XIII and proclaims the Second Spanish Republic.

- 1939 – The Grapes of Wrath, by American author John Steinbeck is first published by the Viking Press.

- 1940 – World War II: Royal Marines land in Namsos, Norway in preparation for a larger force to arrive two days later.

- 1941 – World War II: German general Erwin Rommel attacks Tobruk.

- 1942 – Malta receives the George Cross for its gallantry. The George Cross was given by King George VI himself and is now an emblem on the Maltese national flag.

- 1944 – Bombay explosion: A massive explosion in Bombay harbor kills 300 and causes economic damage valued then at 20 million pounds.

- 1958 – The Soviet satellite Sputnik 2 falls from orbit after a mission duration of 162 days. This was the first spacecraft to carry a living animal, a female dog named Laika, who likely lived only a few hours.

- 1967 – Gnassingbé Eyadéma overthrows President of Togo Nicolas Grunitzky and installs himself as the new president, a title he would hold for the next 38 years.

- 1978 – Tbilisi Demonstrations: Thousands of Georgians demonstrate against Soviet attempts to change the constitutional status of the Georgian language.

- 1981 – STS-1: The first operational Space Shuttle, Columbia completes its first test flight.

- 1986 – In retaliation for the April 5 bombing in West Berlin in which two U.S. servicemen were killed, U.S. president Ronald Reagan orders major bombing raids against Libya, killing 60 people.

- 1986 – The heaviest hailstones ever recorded (1 kilogram (2.2 lb)) fall on the Gopalganj district of Bangladesh, killing 92.

- 1988 – The USS Samuel B. Roberts strikes a mine in the Persian Gulf during Operation Earnest Will.

- 1988 – In a United Nations ceremony in Geneva, Switzerland, the Soviet Union signs an agreement pledging to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan.

- 1991 – The Republic of Georgia introduces the post of President after its declaration of independence from the Soviet Union.

- 1994 – In a U.S. friendly fire incident during Operation Provide Comfort in northern Iraq, two United States Air Force aircraft mistakenly shoot-down two United States Army helicopters, killing 26 people.

- 1999 – NATO mistakenly bombs a convoy of ethnic Albanian refugees. Yugoslav officials say 75 people were killed.

- 1999 – A severe hailstorm strikes Sydney, Australia causing A$2.3 billion in insured damages, the most costly natural disaster in Australian history.

- 2002 – Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez returns to office two days after being ousted and arrested by the country's military.

- 2003 – The Human Genome Project is completed with 99% of the human genome sequenced to an accuracy of 99.99%.

- 2003 – U.S. troops in Baghdad capture Abu Abbas, leader of the Palestinian group that killed an American on the hijacked cruise liner the MS Achille Lauro in 1985.

- 2005 – The Oregon Supreme Court nullifies marriage licenses issued to gay couples a year earlier by Multnomah County.

- 2010 – Nearly 2,700 are killed in a magnitude 6.9 earthquake in the Yushu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture.

- 2014 – Twin bomb blasts in Abuja, Nigeria, kill at least 75 people and injures 141 others.

- 2014 – Two hundred seventy-six schoolgirls are abducted by Boko Haram in Chibok, Nigeria.

- 2016 – In Japan, the foreshock of Kumamoto earthquakes occurs.

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Famous Birthdays:

- 1527 – Abraham Ortelius, Flemish cartographer and geographer

- 1629 – Christiaan Huygens, Dutch mathematician, astronomer, and physicist

- 1866 – Anne Sullivan, American educator

- 1868 – Peter Behrens, German architect, designed the AEG turbine factory

- 1882 – Moritz Schlick, German-Austrian physicist and philosopher

- 1891 – B. R. Ambedkar, Indian economist, jurist, and politician, 1st Indian Minister of Law and Justice

- 1892 – V. Gordon Childe, Australian archaeologist and philologist

- 1904 – John Gielgud, English actor, director, and producer

- 1912 – Robert Doisneau, French photographer and journalist

- 1921 – Thomas Schelling, American economist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1925 – Rod Steiger, American soldier and actor

- 1927 – Alan MacDiarmid, New Zealand chemist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1940 – Julie Christie, English actress and activist

- 1950 – Péter Esterházy, Hungarian author

- 1973 – Adrien Brody, American actor

- 1977 – Sarah Michelle Gellar, American actress and producer

- 1996 – Abigail Breslin, American actress

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Quote of the day

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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Yukona, Cesorion

I'm just gonna say this: can we go one day without talking about Syria that doesn't end in both sides acting like cünts to one another.

Eropatia wrote:U may not remember meh

Weren't you the one who threw a fit because Lavan called you a bítch?

Russkov Soviet, Yukona

Chernarus State wrote:I'm just gonna say this: can we go one day without talking about Syria that doesn't end in both sides acting like cünts to one another.

I thought Kal and I were being pretty civil. It's just that Nurem can get a little heated.

Yukona

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