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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
It is not a conspiracy. Look, I am currently in college studying Government International Politics with a minor in International Security. My specialty is foreign policy pertaining to geopolitics and geoeconomics. I will blame both because it is the individuals that establish the system. It is not an oversimplification. It is more than that.
Vetriutan 2
At least we can come to some sort of agreement on your final points. I have to go now. I am starting to get tired.
The Issue
The aggressive nation of Blackacre has been struck with a series of massive natural disasters that have killed tens of thousands and destroyed sanitation, transit, and economic infrastructure, with the likely consequence of great suffering for millions in the coming months. This has presented you with the moral quandary of whether or not you should come to the aid of a nation that has frequently declared its hatred for Minnesota Dakota and the Gay way of life.
I can not believe this.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
Apologies for the sudden absence. I was having dinner and watching a movie.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Did he tip well?
Ah, it's a complicated question.
There are two main ways that one can inflict casualties in navy/navy warfare. This is done through submarines, and through aircraft. Naturally, when one is at a significant distance from shore they can no longer rely on the airforce persay, but rather on the navy's own aircraft to provide that sea-based lethality.
One might think that a large number of aircraft (>20) would be sufficient, but in reality the need for a larger one is based in the ability of the carrier to maintain sortie rates and to launch heavier aircraft off of the ship.
There are two forms of Carrier that are pertinent to our conversation, then. CATOBAR and it's stupid kid brother STOVL, both, understandably are acronyms. CATOBAR refers to Catapult Assisted Take-Off But Arrested Recovery, in short, the use of a catapult to drive the aircraft up to speed for it's engine and the use of arresting wires to catch it and slow it's speed significantly.
The pros of CATOBAR is that it intrinsically allows a much higher weight for any given aircraft takeoff. The higher departure velocity mean that one doesn't have to skimp on weapons or fuel to meet the acceleration needed for takeoff, and it significantly simplifies extended operations.
It's stupid kid brother is named STOVL, why? Because it stands for Short Take Off Vertical Landing, in short, it needs an aircraft to take off from a very short runway with a ramp, and to land using a hover function (Ala Harrier and F-35B). Thankfully, the F-35B can partially escape the lower take-off weight of STOVL carriers due to it's ultrahigh performance engine, but it has a massive turbofan in the middle for landing that it only uses for that. It is (IMO) the least good of the F-35s.
The pros of this is that if you're poor and want to be stupid, you get to skimp out on immediate prices for long-term loss of capability. You're launching fighters with much less fuel and ammunition to meet the velocity needed.
Now, why do I mention all of this?
It's because Britain, being >>>Britain<<< decided to commit the worst sin maybe ever and combine STOVL with a power source that wasn't nuclear, and somehow also decided to make it smaller and 30K tons lighter than the US's carriers at a full load.
This means a number of pros and cons must be raised:
PRO--
1) It's kinda cheaper for the short term. It being smaller means less materials are used, and it being non-nuclear means they don't have to expensive reactor on-board.
2) They can still say they support the military with this parcel gift.
3) They can ironically put helicopters on the flight deck I guess?
CONS--
1) STOVL sucks. It just sucks. If you built the ship to do something other than literally carry aircraft it's fine I guess, but if you're purpose making an aircraft carrier for the purpose of being an effective tool of war it's silly to limit yourself to only the aircraft that can land vertically and launch with fewer weapons.
2) Non-nuclear power sources really, really fvcking suck. You're moving a massive, preferably 100KT vehicle through the sea, need I intone why a range limited only by food is preferable to diesel in all ways but immediate cost? And trust me when I say, it's only immediate cost that's lower due to the fact that you've given yourself a fuel efficiency to worry about.
3) Displacing less than 100KT sucks dick. You've less sorties you can maintain (The rate of aircraft you put up is lower, and the amount you can sustain is lower since you have fewer spare parts and aircraft) and you carry less fuel for those aircraft. So, in addition to having to watch your own fuel, you now have less fuel to go around for the aircraft that you carry.
I could write more, but I'm sufficiently convinced I've proven my point.
W O A H
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA
Kalaron
[spoiler=Today is December 20 and today are:]
Today is December 20 and today are:
- Abolition of Slavery Day or Fête des Cafres (French Guiana, Réunion)
- Bo Aung Kyaw Day (Myanmar)
- Games Day
- Go Caroling Day
- International Human Solidarity Day
- Macau Special Administrative Region Establishment Day (Macau)
- Mudd Day
- National Sangria Day (United States)
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- AD69 Vespasian, formerly a general under Nero, enters Rome to claim the title of Emperor.
- 0217 Callixtus I is elected as the sixteenth pope, although Hippolytus of Rome is soon thereafter elected as a rival pope.
- 1192 Richard I of England is captured and imprisoned by Leopold V of Austria on his way home to England after the Third Crusade.
- 1334 Pope Benedict XII is elected.
- 1522 Siege of Rhodes: Suleiman the Magnificent accepts the surrender of the surviving Knights of Rhodes, who are allowed to evacuate. They eventually settle on Malta and become known as the Knights of Malta.
- 1606 The Virginia Company loads three ships with settlers and sets sail to establish Jamestown, Virginia, the first permanent English settlement in the Americas.
- 1803 The Louisiana Purchase is completed at a ceremony in New Orleans.
- 1808 Peninsular War: The Siege of Zaragoza begins.
- 1832 HMS Clio under the command of Captain Onslow arrives at Port Egmont under orders to take possession of the Falkland Islands
- 1860 South Carolina becomes the first state to attempt to secede from the United States.
- 1915 World War I: The last Australian troops are evacuated from Gallipoli.
- 1917 Cheka, the first Soviet secret police force, is founded.
- 1924 Adolf Hitler is released from Landsberg Prison.
- 1941 World War II: First battle of the American Volunteer Group, better known as the "Flying Tigers" in Kunming, China.
- 1942 World War II: Japanese air forces bomb Calcutta, India.
- 1946 The popular Christmas film It's a Wonderful Life is first released in New York City.
- 1948 Indonesian National Revolution: The Dutch military captures Yogyakarta, the temporary capital of the newly-formed Republic of Indonesia.
- 1951 The EBR-1 in Arco, Idaho becomes the first nuclear power plant to generate electricity. The electricity powered four light bulbs.
- 1952 A United States Air Force C-124 crashes and burns in Moses Lake, Washington killing 87.
- 1955 Cardiff is proclaimed the capital city of Wales, United Kingdom.
- 1957 The initial production version of the Boeing 707 makes its first flight.
- 1967 A Pennsylvania Railroad Budd Metroliner exceeds 155 mph on their New York Division, also present day Amtrak's Northeast Corridor.
- 1968 The Zodiac Killer kills Betty Lou Jenson and David Faraday in Vallejo, California.
- 1971 The international aid organization Doctors Without Borders is founded by Bernard Kouchner and a group of journalists in Paris, France.
- 1973 The Prime Minister of Spain, Admiral Luis Carrero Blanco, is assassinated by a car bomb attack in Madrid.
- 1984 The Summit Tunnel fire, one of the largest transportation tunnel fires in history, burns after a freight train carrying over 1 million liters of gasoline derails near the town of Todmorden, England, in the Pennines.
- 1985 Pope John Paul II announces the institution of World Youth Day.
- 1987 In the worst peacetime sea disaster, the passenger ferry Doña Paz sinks after colliding with the oil tanker Vector in the Tablas Strait in the Philippines, killing an estimated 4,000 people (1,749 official).
- 1989 The United States invasion of Panama deposes Manuel Noriega.
- 1991 A Missouri court sentences the Palestinian militant Zein Isa and his wife Maria to death for the honor killing of their daughter Palestina.
- 1995 NATO begins peacekeeping in Bosnia.
- 1995 American Airlines Flight 965, a Boeing 757, crashes into a mountain 50 km north of Cali, Colombia killing 159.
- 1999 Macau is handed over to China by Portugal.
- 2004 A gang of thieves steal £26.5 million worth of currency from the Donegall Square West headquarters of Northern Bank in Belfast, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom, one of the largest bank robberies in British history.
- 2007 Elizabeth II becomes the oldest monarch of the United Kingdom, surpassing Queen Victoria, who lived for 81 years, 7 months and 29 days.
- 2007 The Portrait of Suzanne Bloch (1904), by the Spanish artist Pablo Picasso, and O Lavrador de Café by Brazilian modernist painter Cândido Portinari, are stolen from the São Paulo Museum of Art.
- 2013 China successfully launches the Bolivian Túpac Katari 1 from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1537 John III of Sweden
- 1841 Ferdinand Buisson, French academic and politician, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1868 Harvey Samuel Firestone, American businessman, founded the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company
- 1890 Jaroslav Heyrovský, Czech chemist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1905 Bill O'Reilly, Australian cricketer and sportscaster
- 1926 Otto Graf Lambsdorff, German lawyer and politician, former German Federal Minister of Economics
- 1942 Jean-Claude Trichet, French banker and economist
- 1946 Uri Geller, Israeli-English magician and psychic
- 1955 Martin Schulz, German politician, President of the European Parliament
- 1960 Kim Ki-duk, South Korean director, producer, and screenwriter
- 1966 Matt Neal, English race car driver
- 1976 Aubrey Huff, American baseball player and radio host
- 1983 Jonah Hill, American actor, producer, and screenwriter
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Quote of the day
Not doing more than the average is what keeps the average down.
- William Lyon Phelps -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Jaslandia, Aquatur, Vista Major, Kalaron, Lex Caledonia, Minnesota Dakota
I helped them out. While it seemed odd, I haven't gotten any issues regarding Blackacre for some time. Maxtopia however.....
Jaslandia
"I thoroughly believe in a university education for both men and women; but I believe a knowledge of the Bible without a college course is more valuable than a college course without the Bible."
- William Lyon Phelps -
Vista Major
What is a Bible?
Nuremgard, Vista Major
It's a meme.
Nuremgard, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Well, that's an interesting combination of holidays to say the least. Imagine trying to celebrate both those holidays at once, and going caroling while drunk on sangria. That's an interesting mental picture...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
Penguania And Antarctica
>TMW you make a laser that has the hand of god in it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233369021632872448/393174864334159887/unknown.png
>TMW the laser needs a mount multiple times bigger than the ship, but uses an ultralight housing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/313398512492609548/393173603954327552/unknown.png
*Makes laser noises*
Jaslandia
https://youtu.be/fyuNidSrVik
So
It cut the other ship in half by turning the crew compartment into a gas:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226916018415599626/393179627444764674/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233369021632872448/393178523260551179/unknown.png
Before and after pictures
Jaslandia
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClsAM-CUYAIGR9V.png
I'd certainly say, it's about two to six orders of magnitude more powerful than base-game lasers. Though the drawback is pure pain.
Jaslandia
Pain for who? The ship that's unlucky enough to get shot by the super-laser?
Kalaron
Kinda, but there's more to it than just melting people.
While it's a very impressive laser that takes away surprisingly little dV from my ship, it's enormous size increases the targeted area of my ship to a similarly ridiculous size. It also precludes other weapons on the front due to it's sizing, meaning that it's the primary weapon and that I'll have to change to a broadside form to compensate. Lastly, it provides me a slow turning speed.
Jaslandia
Ive... never gone carolling sober...
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
I just had one of my countries take over an oil-rich desert monarchy when they were being embargoed by everyone else. I'm such a nice person.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
I don't think anyone's ever gone caroling sober. I don't think anyone's ever listened to carols sober either; I, for one, would have to be drunk in order to sit and listen to carols.
Luckily for me, I don't drink.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Luckily for me, we don't have carolers over here.
Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
Even more luckily for me, Canadian carollers have a tendency of perishing in our harsh winters.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aquatur, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
Oh. Never thought about it like that.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GD6qtc2_AQA/maxresdefault.jpg
So much for my innocent vision of good (and sober) people spreading Christmas cheer through song and brightening people's day.
Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
Bloody hell. There was a mass suicide in Nuremgard and a mass shooting in New Salvatore. I banned guns in New Salvatore a few days ago but regretted it as I wanted to allow guns for hunting. I used this as an opportunity to re-legalise gun ownership. This resulted in "mass shootings being the new normal." Next chance I get, I'm going to have gun control.
Jaslandia
Nuremgard and New Salvatore don't seem to have a good history with guns, to say the least. Also, let's hope New Salvatore doesn't have an NRA, otherwise I'm pretty sure they'd be in a tizzy over the repeated legalization and de-legalization of guns.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
Well we're technically still an autocracy so even if they're in a tizzy, they'll do as they're told. :P
Jaslandia
If they have guns, then they may not feel as compelled to do as they're told.
Nuremgard
Mind = Blown
https://i.redd.it/y1448t45crjz.jpg
Employee ownership? Slavery basically?
How is employee ownership slavery?
*blink*
Vetriutan 2
Am I misreading it? Does he mean employees owning the companies? Because the way I read it, it looked like he was talking about owning employees lol
Employee ownership, which has been shown to increase productivity and improve conditions for workers, is actually slavery guys. It makes so much sense when you don't think about it!
Vista Major
He was referring to employees owning their own workplaces in place of employers. Think of a workers' cooperative, for example.
Nuremgard, Vista Major
Ah, okay. Woops. Had a blond moment there.
Vista Major, Vetriutan 2
http://www.tombstonebuilder.com/generate.php?top1=NUREMGARD&top2=843-1707&top3=ACTUALLY%2C+IT%27S+BLONDE&top4=MOMENT&sp=
Nuremgard
*Commits Seppuku for making the spelling mistake*
Also for using the word "Seppuku".
Nuremgard
Not as bad as blue with red highlights moments
I very much support worker cooperatives and ESOPs
What are your thoughts on mutual insurance?
Vista Major
Certainly better than the predominant option
Vetriutan 2
In our current economic paradigm, having a single-payer healthcare provider along with heavily regulated mutual insurance companies for supplementary treatments is the best option.
Vista Major
And my Bible collection grows. Now I have a New Testament pocket ESV, a KJV, and a Catholic Edition NRSV. Now I just need a personal Jerusalem Bible, and I'll be content. :3
Vista Major, Confederal States
W O A H
...
Lit
I agree
Vetriutan 2
But the long-term goal, of course, is to remove the need for insurance by eliminating currency and instituting w e l l - b e i n g**f o r**a l l.
What if Elizabeth II successfully overthrows the UK's democratic government, institutes one nation under England, and restarts Britain's colonization effort by expanding the nation's neocolonial influence over its former colonies?
Jaslandia
If that happens, then I'll invest in a ski resort in Hell, since it clearly froze over.
Nuremgard, Vetriutan 2
Should this happen, I will join the Scottish Resistance.
Lex Caledonia, Vetriutan 2
Just to note, all of the Vetriutans that I control have a flag template that is based on the flag of Vetriutan. Vetriutan 2 uses the template, along with a 2, and Unlikely Monarchist Scenarios is the same but with a crown instead of a number. Vetriutan The Antifa Supersolider has the symbol for Antifa added to it, but I would like to note that I am not using it anymore becuase the mods censored it for mentioning punching Nazis.
Jaslandia
Additionally, Windows 10, Vista, and eXPerience are basically dead now.
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
What if you don't meet the physical requirements?
Nuremgard
I'll undermine the new autocracy in some other way that doesn't require physical fighting.
No matter what, getting into some kind of physical engagement when you combating a totalitarian regime is inevitable. Totalitarian regimes will use any means necessary to crush dissent.
Lucky for us that the UK wont become a totalitarian regime any time soon.
Not until she overthrows the UK's government by illegally entering the House of Commons.
I remember seeing that scene in the BBC drama about Charles. He announces that he is the King of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. This was inaccurate. There hasn't been a king of England or Scotland since 1707.
Vetriutan 2
What if America became a monarchy under the House of Washington?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwguY_VVNrg
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
If anything, it will become a monarchy under the House of Trump.
Wow! Your scenarios are even more unlikely than mine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxq0alIpoEI
You sure about that? The presidency is already like an imperial office already.
Oh, he's an interesting one
What an odd person.
Vista Major, Mercunova
Not the most interesting, or most likely, of U.S. monarchy alternate histories in my opinion. Something like this holds more interest for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_scheme
Nuremgard, Vista Major, Unlikely Monarchist Scenarios
Lol, he didn't want to be king of America.
Jaslandia, Vista Major
But I try not to deal with people who think Muslim refugees are invaders.
And it actually makes sense. The war not about securing American liberty, but was about avoiding paying what were seen as high taxes. In fact, many individuals who would become prominent revolutionaries supported direct rule from George III to prevent Parliament from exercising its authority over the colonies. Not only that, but during the mid-18th century, many Americans had a nostalgia for the barely limited monarchy England had before the English Civil War, which is strange because New England settlers generally supported the Parliamentarians during the civil war.
Nuremgard
Can't say I blame him; Americans, especially back then, don't seem like the type to accept a foreign monarch ruling over them. Plus, based on my primitive genealogical research through Wikipedia, assuming only males could inherit this American throne, this dynasty would have died out by 1843 anyway (with this guy as the last monarch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Augustus_of_Prussia), and at that point, America would have had a problem.
Nuremgard
The thing about that is that the Presidency is still constitutionally bound and kept under checks and balances. While we obviously focus a large portion of our news on the First Family (for lack of a better term), that is common among heads of state. If Trump did try to take it to the point of establishing a monarchy (what a good portion of his online supporters support and envision with a WH40K-type God-Emperor [sub]the damned idiots should know that the Emperor of Mankind is a Turkish secularist and not a gold-covered Cheeto[/sub]), odds are that even the Republican establishment would immediately disavow him and result in both Congress and the Supreme Court to begin removing him from office.
Nuremgard
We could've possibly seen an American War of Succession by the 1840s, which is pretty weird for a nation like the United States.
Jaslandia
Who would even be the monarch of the Kingdom of America? Elizabeth II?
Jaslandia
I consider that unlikely, because
A: The European nations that traditionally fight those wars are pretty far from America geographically.
B: I don't think other nations would care enough to fight over America's monarchy, since America was still something of a backwater back then.
I think more likely either a republic would be declared, or Congress would peacefully elect a new monarch from a different family.
Who said it had to be a real monarch? An elective monarchy could be a possibility; Poland had already done it by then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth#State_organization_and_politics
Alexander Hamilton actually proposed something very similar to an elective monarchy during the Constitutional Convention, supporting an elected executive who would serve for life.
Jaslandia
But this is all really just speculation because the very thought of the US becoming a monarchy is ridiculous by its very nature.
Jaslandia
Yeah, Hamilton had some monarchist leanings like that. Good thing for the rest of us that he was virtually alone in that regard, and that besides his fetish for monarchy, Hamilton was a pretty smart and capable dude.
True, can't argue with that.
Unlikely Monarchist Scenarios
But he and the Federalists were generally disliked by the American public for their friendly stance towards Britain and interventionist domestic policy, which is why our two major parties today are descendants of the Democratic-Republicans.
The Federalists may have died without descendants, but their legacy lives on. Our country is much more like the centralized, industrial nation with a powerful executive envisioned by the Federalists; than the decentralized, agrarian nation with a weak executive envisioned by the Democratic-Republicans. Heck, the only Federalist idea that didn't really carry over to today is Hamilton's elitism, and even that is debatable considering how some lobbyists and members of Congress act.
W O A H
https://i.redd.it/wono79yn72101.jpg
Also, just as the Federalists wanted, America today is closer to Britain today than France, although considering how much foreign relations has changed since America's founding era, that comparison probably isn't appropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Relationship
Vista Major
You also have to take into account the large amount of Federalists who defected to the Democratic-Republicans to be politically viable, some of whom, such as John Quincy Adams, would become president under the Democratic-Republican banner.
That's true too. And there are also people like Henry Clay, who was never Federalist, but his policy ideas meant he would have fit right into that party had he lived a little earlier and maybe in a different state. I don't know about you, but Clay's American System for example sounds like a very Federalist idea to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_(economic_plan)
Vista Major
The American System, when you think about it, is similar in many ways to import-substitution-industrialization. Now, the question is how successful would the American System have been if it was fully implemented during the time period? How would it have affected tensions betwen the north and south of the country? Becuase the world was much less globalized during the time period and America was in a vital period of industrialization, the system could've actually been effective at protecting American industry and further modernizing the country. But the downside would be that an early Civil War could happen because tension over tariffs, and this earlier Civil War would have a higher chance of leading to a southern victory, as the north's advantage in industry and population were not quite as pronounced during the 1830s and 1840s.
Even in the 1830s, the dynamics of the North vs. South were starting to become apparent, so I don't think much would have changed in that regard even with the American System. The South could have industrialized a little bit more under this new plan, but the South's reliance on slavery as an economic model would have held back further growth, just as it did historically. And I don't think the Civil War would have happened much earlier: Presidents Jackson, Taylor, and Henry Harrison could have threatened force to stop secession (though I'm not sure if Presidents Van Buren, Tyler, and Fillmore would have done the same), and since I'm of the mindset that slavery was the main cause of the Civil War, I think it would have taken an anti-slavery President (which America never really had until Lincoln, excluding people like Quincy Adams and Van Buren who only became passionately anti-slavery after their presidency ended) to put the South over the edge and get them to truly commit to secession. That being said, I think the American System would have made us better off in the short-term, but in the long-term, America was on a path to industrialization and improving our infrastructure anyway, the American System would have just made that happen sooner.
Low tariffs were important for the South because they needed to import quite a bit of foreign manufactured goods to help support their plantation system. For slavery to be profitable, low tariffs were needed. With a hike in tariffs, the South would soon be close to financial collapse and they will have to secede from the North in order to keep slavery as a profitable practice. If the American System was implemented, the Civil War would've likely happened in the late 1830s or the 1840s. The only thing the North could do to avoid civil war is to lower tariffs, which is very similar to what happened in the Nullification Crisis. But if we assume that the North does not back down, then a civil war is inevitable.
And considering the North backed down in the past, and they don't much of a reason NOT to back down in this case considering what's at stake, they likely would have backed down. And if the North didn't back down, then I'm not sure if the South would be wiling to secede (or, at least they wouldn't secede if military force was threatened). If military force was threatened like Jackson did, I think it's more likely that the South would resort to smuggling to avoid tariffs, and Southern Congressman and Senators would push the tariff issue non-stop until the North backed down out of pure annoyance. However, if the incident happened during the presidency of a weaker man like Van Buren or Fillmore, than an early Civil War seems possible, since it was President Buchanan's inaction at the Southern states seceding in 1860 and 1861 that was at least a strong factor in the Civil War starting (as opposed to a President like Jackson or Taylor, who likely would have nipped the problem in the bud and sent in the troops as soon as South Carolina seceded).
I think that it is more likely that the Union will back down. The influence of Southern Whigs in a possible Whig government, which is how the American System would most likely be implemented, along with the threat of secession, would make it so that the Union basically had no other choice but to back down. I highly doubt military invasion would be threatened because of the aforementioned Southern Whig influence and the fact that the Whigs, in principle, heavily oppose an executive acting in such a manner.
Jaslandia
Fair point, but depending on the President and the severity of the situation, I think military force could have ended up being threatened anyway in the lack of a viable alternative. But like I said before, the only presidents I could see actually issuing such a threat under any circumstance would be Jackson, Taylor, and William Henry Harrison; every other President between Jackson and Lincoln was too weak to come to that, especially if their advisers told them not to do it.
That's all true. And sorry if I am a bit scatterbrained right now. I just feel fatigued at this current moment.
Jaslandia, Percyton
No worries. I wasn't sure if I was making complete sense in my points either.
Percyton
No worries. And what time is it where you are?
Jaslandia
1:17 AM. You?
It's 3 hours before that in California, you filthy east-coaster.
/s
Jaslandia, Aquatur
Well, we both live on the coast, so why can't we just unite against those filthy non-coasters (i.e. the Midwest)? We have more in common than you think.
jk
That's actually a good idea. Death to the potato, wheat, and corn growers! It's not like we need food to eat.
Jaslandia
We can figure it out. You west-coasters can eat silicon (since you have a whole valley growing that stuff), and us east-coasters will eat... uh, stock reports, I guess? What with the New York Stock Exchange and all.
Aquatur
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