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Yukona wrote::^( warum?

Who knows what ideas you're cooking up?

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Yukona wrote:I'm ok just quite hot bothered as Vietnam is so busy, unsafe and humid - quite looking forward to getting back to Blighty. On the other hand I fired my first rifle yesterday so I'm pretry happy and got myself a cool lighter. Weirdly enough I'm probably most looking forward to getting my PC fixed when I get back. How have you been doing?

Woah, you're in Vietnam? You shot a gun? What are you doing? lol. I'm alright. Just being lazy and enjoying my summer break. Also created a new nation and submitted a new issue.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Woah, you're in Vietnam? You shot a gun? What are you doing? lol. I'm alright. Just being lazy and enjoying my summer break. Also created a new nation and submitted a new issue.

Awesome, what's the nations background? And yeah, it's been a pretty weird trips with some great ups and weird downs but it's starting to get too much with how busy the cities of SE Asia are and how dangerous they can be. And I'm just on holiday, 'tis all

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Woah, you're in Vietnam? You shot a gun? What are you doing? lol. I'm alright. Just being lazy and enjoying my summer break. Also created a new nation and submitted a new issue.

Awesome, what's the nations background? And yeah, it's been a pretty weird trips with some great ups and weird downs but it's starting to get too much with how busy the cities of SE Asia are and how dangerous they can be. And I'm just on holiday, 'tis all

Percyton

Yukona wrote:Awesome, what's the nations background? And yeah, it's been a pretty weird trips with some great ups and weird downs but it's starting to get too much with how busy the cities of SE Asia are and how dangerous they can be. And I'm just on holiday, 'tis all

Wow, very exotic. Be safe!

The nation is based on Scotland geographically, has an Irish flag, Scots Gaelic as its language, a mythical animal as its national animal and its form of government is a absolute, secular monarchy. I will not declare an official religion for the country but I imagine it to be mystical and pagan. The monarchy is liberal, in the sense that it allows civil rights, provides public services and generally looks after its subjects. But political dissent is not tolerated.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:my body is so sore and im going to canada tomorrow. the start of a 5 week jouney across the europe of america and then europe.

Not Canada!

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Wow, very exotic. Be safe!

The nation is based on Scotland geographically, has an Irish flag, Scots Gaelic as its language, a mythical animal as its national animal and its form of government is a absolute, secular monarchy. I will not declare an official religion for the country but I imagine it to be mystical and pagan. The monarchy is liberal, in the sense that it allows civil rights, provides public services and generally looks after its subjects. But political dissent is not tolerated.

Nice, reminds me of my olde English nation I shall be making for medieval RP. All I've got so far is that itll look quite Tudor and the cities will be called stuff like Kessex, Ivelton, Shepstok, Boggartsbridge, Goblinwick

Nuremgard

Vista Major wrote:Viva La America!

That moment you don't even have to change the flag to celebrate the 4th :p

Happy 241st anniversary America

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

So....A few days ago I asked about your MBTI. Here are your replies. If I ommited anyone contact me do add you, or add yourself jna quote.

INFP:2(Vista Major, Sulania )

INTP:2 (Kalaron, Andromitus )

INTJ:3(Jaslandia, Aghrabia and myself)

ENFP:1 (Friedensreich )

ESTJ:1 (Continental Commonwealths )

Out of the 9 responses only 1 was an S, 2 were Es, 6 were Ts, and 5 were Ps.

I recommend making a pol about it with the following options

INTJ-INTP-ENTJ-ENTP-ISTJ-ESTJ-ISTP-ESTP-ENFJ-INFJ-ENFP-INFP-ESFP-ISFP-ESFJ-ISFJ. This way everyone could answer and statistics would be more easily availanle to everyone.

Vista Major, Friedensreich

Yukona wrote:Nice, reminds me of my olde English nation I shall be making for medieval RP. All I've got so far is that itll look quite Tudor and the cities will be called stuff like Kessex, Ivelton, Shepstok, Boggartsbridge, Goblinwick

I wont be RPing but your English nation and my new one should totes be allies.

Yukona

Cesorion wrote:So....A few days ago I asked about your MBTI. Here are your replies. If I ommited anyone contact me do add you, or add yourself jna quote.

INFP:2(Vista Major, Sulania )

INTP:2 (Kalaron, Andromitus )

INTJ:3(Jaslandia, Aghrabia  and myself)

ENFP:1 (Friedensreich )

ESTJ:1 (Continental Commonwealths )

Out of the 9 responses only 1 was an S, 2 were Es, 6 were Ts, and 5 were Ps.

I recommend making a pol about it with the following options

INTJ-INTP-ENTJ-ENTP-ISTJ-ESTJ-ISTP-ESTP-ENFJ-INFJ-ENFP-INFP-ESFP-ISFP-ESFJ-ISFJ. This way everyone could answer and statistics would be more easily availanle to everyone.

Hmm, I don't think I can fit 16 into one poll

Penguania And Antarctica

HAPPY MERICA DAY LADIES AND GENTS

i was going to post a cringey July 4th meme but couldn't find any good ones

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Happy Independence Day to our American friends here. I envy you guys. You won independence from Westminster. Wish we here in Scotland could do the same!

Russkov Soviet, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

Ahh. Southern Indiana, while they fly the rebel flag )that lost) on any given day, I'll fly the rebel flag that won and gained independence.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Nuremgard wrote:Happy Independence Day to our American friends here. I envy you guys. You won independence from Westminster. Wish we here in Scotland could do the same!

I M P E R I A L I S M I S.D Y I N G M A N

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Oelesa wrote:Ahh. Southern Indiana, while they fly the rebel flag )that lost) on any given day, I'll fly the rebel flag that won and gained independence.

Accidentally suppressed sorry sorry sorry

Penguania And Antarctica

Happy Independence Day to all our American around here. :)

[spoiler=Today is July 4 and today are:]

Today is July 4 and today are:

- Birthday of Queen Sonja (Norway)

- Carnival Tuesday (Saint Vincent and the Grenadines)

- Dree Festival (Apatani people, Arunachal Pradesh, India)

- Independence Day (United States and its dependencies)

- Liberation Day (Northern Mariana Islands)

- Liberation Day (Rwanda)

- National Barbecued Spareribs Day (United States)

- National Caesar Salad Day (United States)

- National Country Music Day (United States)

- National Tom Sawyer Days (United States)

- Republic Day (Philippines)

- Sidewalk Egg Frying Day

- Unity Day (Zambia)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 362 BC – Battle of Mantinea: The Thebans, led by Epaminondas, defeated the Spartans.

- 414 – Emperor Theodosius II, age 13, yields power to his older sister Aelia Pulcheria, who reigned as regent and proclaimed herself empress (Augusta) of the Eastern Roman Empire.

- 836 – Pactum Sicardi, a peace treaty between the Principality of Benevento and the Duchy of Naples, is signed.

- 993 – Ulrich of Augsburg is canonized as a saint.

- 1054 – A supernova, called SN 1054, is seen by Chinese Song dynasty, Arab, and possibly Amerindian observers near the star Zeta Tauri. For several months it remains bright enough to be seen during the day. Its remnants form the Crab Nebula.

- 1120 – Jordan II of Capua is anointed as prince after his infant nephew's death.

- 1187 – The Crusades: Battle of Hattin: Saladin defeats Guy of Lusignan, King of Jerusalem.

- 1253 – Battle of West-Capelle: John I of Avesnes defeats Guy of Dampierre.

- 1359 – Francesco II Ordelaffi of Forlì surrenders to the Papal commander Gil de Albornoz.

- 1456 – Ottoman wars in Europe: The Siege of Nándorfehérvár (Belgrade) begins.

- 1534 – Christian III is elected King of Denmark and Norway in the town of Rye.

- 1584 – Philip Amadas and Arthur Barlowe arrive at Roanoke Island

- 1610 – The Battle of Klushino is fought between forces of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia during the Polish–Muscovite War.

- 1634 – The city of Trois-Rivières is founded in New France (now Quebec, Canada).

- 1744 – The Treaty of Lancaster, in which the Iroquois cedes lands between the Allegheny Mountains and the Ohio River to the British colonies, was signed in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

- 1774 – Orangetown Resolutions are adopted in the Province of New York, one of many protests against the British Parliament's Coercive Acts

- 1776 – American Revolution: The United States Declaration of Independence is adopted by the Second Continental Congress.

- 1778 – American Revolutionary War: American forces under George Clark capture Kaskaskia during the Illinois campaign.

- 1802 – At West Point, New York, the United States Military Academy opens.

- 1803 – The Louisiana Purchase is announced to the American people.

- 1817 – In Rome, New York, construction on the Erie Canal begins.

- 1826 – Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States, dies the same day as John Adams, second president of the United States, on the fiftieth anniversary of the adoption of the United States Declaration of Independence.

- 1827 – Slavery is abolished in New York State.

- 1831 – Samuel Francis Smith writes "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" for the Boston, Massachusetts July 4 festivities.

- 1837 – Grand Junction Railway, the world's first long-distance railway, opens between Birmingham and Liverpool.

- 1838 – The Iowa Territory is organized.

- 1855 – The first edition of Walt Whitman's book of poems, Leaves of Grass, is published In Brooklyn.

- 1862 – Lewis Carroll tells Alice Liddell a story that would grow into Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and its sequels.

- 1863 – American Civil War: Siege of Vicksburg: Vicksburg, Mississippi surrenders to Ulysses S. Grant after 47 days of siege. One hundred fifty miles up the Mississippi River, a Confederate Army is repulsed at the Battle of Helena, Arkansas.

- 1863 – American Civil War: The Army of Northern Virginia withdraws from the battlefield after losing the Battle of Gettysburg, signalling an end to the Southern invasion of the North.

- 1879 – Anglo-Zulu War: The Zululand capital of Ulundi is captured by British troops and burned to the ground, ending the war and forcing King Cetshwayo to flee.

- 1881 – In Alabama, the Tuskegee Institute opens.

- 1884 - Bullfighting was introduced in the U.S. in Dodge City, KS.

- 1886 – The people of France offer the Statue of Liberty to the people of the United States.

- 1886 – The first scheduled Canadian transcontinental train arrives in Port Moody, British Columbia.

- 1887 – The founder of Pakistan, Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, joins Sindh-Madrasa-tul-Islam, Karachi.

- 1892 – Western Samoa changes the International Date Line, causing Monday (July 4) to occur twice, resulting in a year with 367 days.

- 1892 - The first double-decked street car service was inaugurated in San Diego, CA.

- 1894 – The short-lived Republic of Hawaii is proclaimed by Sanford B. Dole.

- 1898 – En route from New York to Le Havre, the ocean liner SS La Bourgogne collides with another ship and sinks off the coast of Sable Island, with the loss of 549 lives.

- 1901 - William Howard Taft became the American governor of the Philippines.

- 1903 – Philippine–American War is officially concluded.

- 1903 – Dorothy Levitt is reported as the first English woman to compete in a 'motor race'.

- 1910 – African-American boxer Jack Johnson knocks out white boxer Jim Jeffries in a heavyweight boxing match, sparking race riots across the United States.

- 1911 – A massive heat wave strikes the northeastern United States, killing 380 people in eleven days and breaking temperature records in several cities.

- 1913 – President Woodrow Wilson addresses American Civil War veterans at the Great Reunion of 1913.

- 1914 – The funeral of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie takes place in Vienna, six days after their assassinations in Sarajevo.

- 1918 – Mehmed V died at the age of 73 and Ottoman sultan Mehmed VI ascends to the throne.

- 1918 – World War I: The Battle of Hamel, a successful attack by the Australian Corps against German positions near the town of Le Hamel on the Western Front.

- 1918 – Bolsheviks kill Tsar Nicholas II of Russia and his family (Julian calendar date).

- 1927 – First flight of the Lockheed Vega.

- 1934 – Leo Szilard patents the chain-reaction design that would later be used in the atomic bomb.

- 1934 - Boxer Joe Louis won his first professional fight.

- 1939 – Lou Gehrig, recently diagnosed with Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, informs a crowd at Yankee Stadium that he considers himself "The luckiest man on the face of the earth", then announces his retirement from major league baseball.

- 1939 – Huỳnh Phú Sổ founds Hòa Hảo Buddhism.

- 1941 – Nazi troops massacre Polish scientists and writers in the captured Ukrainian city of Lviv.

- 1941 – World War II: The Burning of the Riga synagogues: The Great Choral Synagogue in German occupied Riga is burnt with 300 Jews locked in the basement.

- 1942 – World War II: The 250-day Siege of Sevastopol in the Crimea ends when the city falls to Axis forces.

- 1943 – World War II: The Battle of Kursk, the largest full-scale battle in history and the world's largest tank battle, begins in the village of Prokhorovka.

- 1943 – World War II: In Gibraltar, a Royal Air Force B-24 Liberator bomber crashes into the sea in an apparent accident moments after takeoff, killing sixteen passengers on board, including general Władysław Sikorski, the commander-in-chief of the Polish Army and the Prime Minister of the Polish government-in-exile; only the pilot survives.

- 1946 – The Kielce pogrom against Jewish Holocaust survivors in Poland.

- 1946 – After 381 years of near-continuous colonial rule by various powers, the Philippines attains full independence from the United States.

- 1947 – The "Indian Independence Bill" is presented before the British House of Commons, proposing the independence of the Provinces of British India into two sovereign countries: India and Pakistan.

- 1950 – Radio Free Europe first broadcasts.

- 1951 – A court in Czechoslovakia sentences American journalist William N. Oatis to ten years in prison on charges of espionage.

- 1951 – William Shockley announces the invention of the junction transistor.

- 1957 - The U.S. Postal Service issued the 4¢ Flag stamp

- 1958- President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed the Rivers and Harbors Flood Control Bill.

- 1960 – Due to the post-Independence Day admission of Hawaii as the 50th U.S. state on August 21, 1959, the 50-star flag of the United States debuts in Philadelphia, almost ten and a half months later (see Flag Act).

- 1961 – On its maiden voyage, the Soviet nuclear-powered submarine K-19 suffers a complete loss of coolant to its reactor. The crew are able to effect repairs, but 22 of them die of radiation poisoning over the following two years.

- 1966 – U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Freedom of Information Act into United States law. The act went into effect the next year.

- 1970 A British Dan-Air charter, flying a Comet 4 turbojet, crashes into the sea near Barcelona, Spain, killing 112 people.

- 1976 – Israeli commandos raid Entebbe airport in Uganda, rescuing all but four of the passengers and crew of an Air France jetliner seized by Palestinian terrorists.

- 1976 - The U.S. celebrated its Bicentennial.

- 1977 – The George Jackson Brigade plants a bomb at the main power substation for the Washington state capitol in Olympia, in solidarity with a prison strike at the Walla Walla State Penitentiary Intensive Security Unit

- 1982 – Three Iranian diplomats and a journalist are kidnapped in Lebanon by Phalange forces, and their fate remains unknown.

- 1987 – In France, former Gestapo chief Klaus Barbie (a.k.a. the "Butcher of Lyon") is convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to life imprisonment.

- 1994 – Rwandan Genocide: Kigali, the Rwandan capital, is captured by the Rwandan Patriotic Front, ending the genocide in the city.

- 1997 – NASA's Pathfinder space probe lands on the surface of Mars.

- 1998 – Japan launches the Nozomi probe to Mars, joining the United States and Russia as a space exploring nation.

- 2004 – The cornerstone of the Freedom Tower is laid on the World Trade Center site in New York City.

- 2005 – The Deep Impact collider hits the comet Tempel 1.

- 2009 – The Statue of Liberty's crown reopens to the public after eight years of closure due to security concerns following the September 11 attacks.

- 2009 – The first of four days of bombings begins on the southern Philippine island group of Mindanao.

- 2012 – The discovery of particles consistent with the Higgs boson at the Large Hadron Collider is announced at CERN.

- 2016 – The arrival of the Juno probe to Jupiter.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1790 – George Everest, Welsh geographer and surveyor

- 1804 – Nathaniel Hawthorne, American novelist and short story writer

- 1826 – Stephen Foster, American songwriter and composer

- 1872 – Calvin Coolidge, American lawyer and politician, 30th President of the United States

- 1881 – Ulysses S. Grant III, American general

- 1883 – Rube Goldberg, American sculptor, cartoonist, and engineer

- 1910 – Gloria Stuart, American actress

- 1926 – Alfredo Di Stéfano, Argentinian-Spanish footballer and coach

- 1927 – Gina Lollobrigida, Italian actress and photographer

- 1930 – George Steinbrenner, American businessman

- 1946 – Ron Kovic, American author and activist

- 1952 – Álvaro Uribe, Colombian lawyer and politician, 39th President of Colombia

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Quote of the day

Freedom means the opportunity to be what we never thought we would be.

- Daniel J. Boorstin -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton, United Continental States

Yukona wrote:Accidentally suppressed sorry sorry sorry

Happens to the best of off. Damn tyranny button.

Replace it with a liberty button.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, United Continental States

Cesorion wrote:So....A few days ago I asked about your MBTI. Here are your replies. If I ommited anyone contact me do add you, or add yourself jna quote.

INFP:2(Vista Major, Sulania )

INTP:2 (Kalaron, Andromitus )

INTJ:3(Jaslandia, Aghrabia and myself)

ENFP:1 (Friedensreich )

ESTJ:1 (Continental Commonwealths )

Out of the 9 responses only 1 was an S, 2 were Es, 6 were Ts, and 5 were Ps.

I recommend making a pol about it with the following options

INTJ-INTP-ENTJ-ENTP-ISTJ-ESTJ-ISTP-ESTP-ENFJ-INFJ-ENFP-INFP-ESFP-ISFP-ESFJ-ISFJ. This way everyone could answer and statistics would be more easily availanle to everyone.

Yus..... Only ENFP in the region!

Vista Major

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/5/motion-approve-governmental-regional-powers

Now I know we Americans are busy with making freedom hotdogs, steaks, burgers, fries, and fireworks. But for the sake of democracy and freedom right here in the COFN, please take 10 or 15 minutes to make an account and vote.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Post self-deleted by Estrinia.

Friedensreich wrote:Yus..... Only ENFP in the region!

It is very weird that we have so many INTJs you know.

Vista Major wrote:Hmm, I don't think I can fit 16 into one poll

You can make them 8 by making a single choice for Introver and Extrovert e.g.

INTJ/ENTJ

ISTJ/ESTJ or something like that. Or even better, one option for each group. Options then would be

Analyst

Sentinel

Diplomat

Explorer

Vista Major

Happy Independence Day to all my American friends! Even though this is a British island, the American or partially-American engines on the island (Rosie, Hank, Sam, Connor, and Caitlin) are organizing a celebration and barbecue at Callan Shunting Yard. Since Callan is on Sidney's branch line, he's also been invited, although Sidney literally keeps forgetting that he's British and not American.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1837 – Grand Junction Railway, the world's first long-distance railway, opens between Birmingham and Liverpool.

Another big day for railways! Thanks, Grand Junction Railway; I don't know where we'd be without you!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Estrinia.

So, with only seven minutes left in voting it appears Sul has beat me for MoI, and I congratulate him.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Estrinia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, with only seven minutes left in voting it appears Sul has beat me for MoI, and I congratulate him.

Come work with me in the House, Clerk sounds fun eh?

Putting down some freedom as you take minutes and edit freedom documents.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, with only seven minutes left in voting it appears Sul has beat me for MoI, and I congratulate him.

Gotta say tho, 12 v 8 isn't too bad. You'll definitely when something one day if you keep going at it.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Estrinia

Oelesa wrote:Come work with me in the House, Clerk sounds fun eh?

Putting down some freedom as you take minutes and edit freedom documents.

I've invited him to become an Assistant Justice.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Estrinia wrote:I've invited him to become an Assistant Justice.

Damn you! Taken all he help. I'll give you a piece of my mind over a cup of coffee and bacon cause merica.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Oelesa wrote:Damn you! Taken all he help. I'll give you a piece of my mind over a cup of coffee and bacon cause merica.

Bacon cause Mercia?

Jaslandia

Oelesa wrote:Come work with me in the House, Clerk sounds fun eh?

Putting down some freedom as you take minutes and edit freedom documents.

Thanks for the offer! But as Est said, I'll be taking an AJ job.

Oelesa, Estrinia

I offer my help to any office that needs help and staff.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

I love you all!

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Thanks for the offer! But as Est said, I'll be taking an AJ job.

Thankyou!

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I offer my help to any office that needs help and staff.

Hey Peng! Wanna come back to my office, im still unpacking, I need help *wink wink*

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Post self-deleted by Estrinia.

I'll ask [nation=short]Friedensreich[/nation] to become my other Assistant Justice.

Friedensreich

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I offer my help to any office that needs help and staff.

I don't want government to get to involved in Judicial affairs, it's a Democratic Liberty policy.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

*starts doling out manuals on meeting and parliamnetary procedure like Jim Carrey in the post office scene from The Grinch*

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:*starts doling out manuals on meeting and parliamnetary procedure like Jim Carrey in the post office scene from The Grinch*

Im not the Speaker yet, only the Speaker Elect.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Oelesa wrote:Im not the Speaker yet, only the Speaker Elect.

That's too clever by half. If that were the case:

a) You couldn't be able to bring a motion before the House, as motions are distinctly brought before the Speaker.

b) You wouldn't have had the authority to set a time parameter on the motion.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Estrinia

Estrinia wrote:Bacon cause Mercia?

I didn't know bacon was particularly associated with one of the kingdoms of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I offer my help to any office that needs help and staff.

I would also like to offer my services to the government, if needed.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:I didn't know bacon was particularly associated with one of the kingdoms of the Anglo-Saxon Heptarchy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercia

I would also like to offer my services to the government, if needed.

Ohhhh, Mercia! I thought it said Merica.

Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:That's too clever by half. If that were the case:

a) You couldn't be able to bring a motion before the House, as motions are distinctly brought before the Speaker.

b) You wouldn't have had the authority to set a time parameter on the motion.

First there isn't procedure in the constitution for how motions should operate, so it is left up to the proposer.

Second, a time adjusted (not taking 7 days) (so the government can have regional powers for tomorrow) is allowed as this is not legislation, it isn't a bill being voted on to be law.

Penguania And Antarctica

Oelesa wrote:First there isn't procedure in the constitution for how motions should operate, so it is left up to the proposer.

Second, a time adjusted (not taking 7 days) (so the government can have regional powers for tomorrow) is allowed as this is not legislation, it isn't a bill being voted on to be law.

Nope. Not how it works. This is why we have a Speaker; it is never up to the "proposer". It you aren't yet Speaker, then motions and legislation should wait until there is a Speaker. We don't convene a Trial while Judges are absent.

If you want to kick off this inaugural office on this note of comical and ridiculous precedent, that's your perogative.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Nope. Not how it works. This is why we have a Speaker; it is never up to the "proposer". It you aren't yet Speaker, then motions and legislation should wait until there is a Speaker. We don't convene a Trial while Judges are absent.

If you want to kick off this inaugural office on this note of comical and ridiculous precedent, that's your perogative.

There is a bigger picture CC. It isn't about procedure, it's about getting the correct power to the elected Chancellor and Ministers so the government can start clean.

Who cares if it isn't exactly fitted to real world politics, it hardly matters how it would play out IRL. This is about getting power to the Government so it can be cleaner than this.

Oelesa wrote:There is a bigger picture CC. It isn't about procedure, it's about getting the correct power to the elected Chancellor and Ministers so the government can start clean.

Who cares if it isn't exactly fitted to real world politics, it hardly matters how it would play out IRL. This is about getting power to the Government so it can be cleaner than this.

Regardless, I'd prefer it if there were a real division of powers between elected officers.

Estrinia wrote:I'll ask [nation=short]Friedensreich[/nation] to become my other Assistant Justice.

I appreciate the offer, but I'm going to need some time to consider it. I'm about to go swimming with my family as part of our Independence Day celebrations.

Estrinia

Oelesa wrote:There is a bigger picture CC. It isn't about procedure, it's about getting the correct power to the elected Chancellor and Ministers so the government can start clean.

Who cares if it isn't exactly fitted to real world politics, it hardly matters how it would play out IRL. This is about getting power to the Government so it can be cleaner than this.

we have rules and procedures for a reason, Oel, we don't just do things because it's easy. Come on, that's literally what politics is.

Oelesa wrote:First there isn't procedure in the constitution for how motions should operate, so it is left up to the proposer.

Second, a time adjusted (not taking 7 days) (so the government can have regional powers for tomorrow) is allowed as this is not legislation, it isn't a bill being voted on to be law.

If it's not being voted on, then what is the point for asking people to say Yea or Nay to it?

Unfallious wrote:we have rules and procedures for a reason, Oel, we don't just do things because it's easy. Come on, that's literally what politics is.

There are non right now. No Speaker, means no procedure, no regional powers, means messy government.

This motion is meant to get things rolling before the ball is even pitched tomorrow. it's preparation for the big home run, and it isn't always on point.

Through human error it turns out that 2 citizens were added to the roster during the course of the referendum, that means the roster wasn't frozen like usual precedent in a fashion that would've allowed the vote to be swayed in the other direction by those 2 votes. This is made more significant due to the fact one of those citizens is also no longer in the region. In the interest of voting for the actual intererests of the population here I'd like to call a misvote.

I take the whole responsibilty and consequences for any problems that occured during the constitution referendum. If there is going to be a trial I will face it and take whatever consequences it might have.

The United Providences Of Perland

Oelesa wrote:There is a bigger picture CC. It isn't about procedure, it's about getting the correct power to the elected Chancellor and Ministers so the government can start clean.

Who cares if it isn't exactly fitted to real world politics, it hardly matters how it would play out IRL. This is about getting power to the Government so it can be cleaner than this.

As Fried and Unf have both mentioned, this is not about perfectly emulating the real world but rather having a proper balance of power. Literally the foundation upon which a liberal democratic society is built.

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I'm sorry for the mess that will occur. It was a mistake of mine that resulted due to the fact there was no codified regulation. I'm fully responsible.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:As Fried and Unf have both mentioned, this is not about perfectly emulating the real world but rather having a proper balance of power. Literally the foundation upon which a liberal democratic society is built.

Yeah, but we kinda need Officer's powers desginated before they are appointed.

Unfallious wrote:Through human error it turns out that 2 citizens were added to the roster during the course of the referendum, that means the roster wasn't frozen like usual precedent in a fashion that would've allowed the vote to be swayed in the other direction by those 2 votes. This is made more significant due to the fact one of those citizens is also no longer in the region. In the interest of voting for the actual intererests of the population here I'd like to call a misvote.

I mean, it won't do much. From what I saw, for every office the winner had enough votes to where even without the three or so false ones, there would be no difference.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Yeah, but we kinda need Officer's powers desginated before they are appointed.

Or we literally wait until tomorrow when the Speaker comes to power, and have a private citizen enter a motion or legislation that bestows regional powers, which the Speaker can then impose procedure upon.

Thereby keeping our balance of power intact with the Speaker doing his job- no more, no less. Being in a rush is not an excuse to do away with proper procedure.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I mean, it won't do much. From what I saw, for every office the winner had enough votes to where even without the three or so false ones, there would be no difference.

No I'm talking about the constitutional referendum here, buddy. The one won by 2 votes.

Unfallious wrote:Through human error it turns out that 2 citizens were added to the roster during the course of the referendum, that means the roster wasn't frozen like usual precedent in a fashion that would've allowed the vote to be swayed in the other direction by those 2 votes. This is made more significant due to the fact one of those citizens is also no longer in the region. In the interest of voting for the actual intererests of the population here I'd like to call a misvote.

Seconded.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Or we literally wait until tomorrow when the Speaker comes to power, and have a private citizen enter a motion or legislation that bestows regional powers, which the Speaker can then impose procedure upon.

Thereby keeping our balance of power intact with the Speaker doing his job- no more, no less. Being in a rush is not an excuse to do away with proper procedure.

Y'all are acting like this is a huge breach of the democratic process though e.e It's a motion that we NEED upon minsters being put INTO office, not after.

Unfallious wrote:No I'm talking about the constitutional referendum here, buddy. The one won by 2 votes.

Then it'd tie, and we'd have the old constitution meaning we got no where. Yup, re-vote is genius.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Then it'd tie, and we'd have the old constitution meaning we got no where. Yup, re-vote is genius.

We're here to reflect the will of the citizens, not bring about a new constitution that might not even be what the majority wanted, buddy

Ah, democracy. Cup of freedom anyone?

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:We're here to reflect the will of the citizens, not bring about a new constitution that might not even be what the majority wanted, buddy

You wouldn't be reflecting the will of any citizen except the three or so who abstained e.e No one winning in any fashion sure represents a good democracy.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Y'all are acting like this is a huge breach of the democratic process though e.e It's a motion that we NEED upon minsters being put INTO office, not after.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Then it'd tie, and we'd have the old constitution meaning we got no where. Yup, re-vote is genius.

Both of these posts suggest that you prefer expediency to proper process. And that's disconcerting of someone who was running for office and will possibly serve in the Courts

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Look CC, I don't want to fight you. I mean well and I'm only trying to get the ball rolling. This sin't want anyone wants, I'd love to have a clean and easy government and thats what i've been trying to do.

But it looks like a re vote might happen, so all this might before nothing, and you know i'd vote for Unf's const. Idk if he tiold you what I said, but I was worried that we'd keep the old const and the roster wasn't actually frozen. I made a rushed decision hoping it would let the region for on and transistion smoothly.

Can we just be chill, and you can review my house procedure and bill procedure, i rather be friends CC.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You wouldn't be reflecting the will of any citizen except the three or so who abstained e.e No one winning in any fashion sure represents a good democracy.

yeah lets just make 50% happy that sounds just as good >.>

Dude.

Unfallious wrote:yeah lets just make 50% happy that sounds just as good >.>

Dude.

50% is better than 3% *shrug*

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Both of these posts suggest that you prefer expediency to proper process. And that's disconcerting of someone who was running for office and will possibly serve in the Courts

Judging my entire future career based on one instance I choose to go around process for an important matter is foolish.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Judging my entire future career based on one instance I choose to go around process for an important matter is foolish.

So if someone comes to you and shows you evidence of election fraud that would result in an election coming to a draw instead of a victory precedence shows you're gonna throw that out because at least 50% were happy.

I think it's a perfectly sound thing to judge someone on, especially when the job up for grabs here is in the courts.

Oelesa

Unfallious wrote:So if someone comes to you and shows you evidence of election fraud that would result in an election coming to a draw instead of a victory precedence shows you're gonna throw that out because at least 50% were happy.

I think it's a perfectly sound thing to judge someone on, especially when the job up for grabs here is in the courts.

By definition it isn't fraud. Fraud requires malice. I think you're blowing this out of proportion because you want to be petty.

Oelesa

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:By definition it isn't fraud. Fraud requires malice. I think you're blowing this out of proportion because you want to be petty.

No I'm not talking about this particular issue, I'm talking about a hypothetical case. Clearly Peng wasn't being malicious here, but the result is the same. This is a botched vote.

It's not being petty it's preserving the sanctity of fvcking referenda, how the hell do you think you're gonna get anywhere near the judiciary with a stinky attitude like that?

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Unfallious wrote:No I'm not talking about this particular issue, I'm talking about a hypothetical case. Clearly Peng wasn't being malicious here, but the result is the same. This is a botched vote.

It's not being petty it's preserving the sanctity of fvcking referenda, how the hell do you think you're gonna get anywhere near the judiciary with a stinky attitude like that?

Because I understand judiciary matters well, and enjoy law. Another thing is that I can read people decently. And we both know if your constitution had won you wouldn't be playing the "sanctity of democracy" card

Oelesa

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Because I understand judiciary matters well, and enjoy law. Another thing is that I can read people decently. And we both know if your constitution had won you wouldn't be playing the "sanctity of democracy" card

boy you bet I would because then we'd revote and I'd win again based on real votes B)

Oelesa, The United Providences Of Perland

Unfallious wrote:boy you bet I would because then we'd revote and I'd win again based on real votes B)

And the true Unf pops out, just jealous he lost. Good job

[spoiler=Peng Emergency Order #01-04072017, Priority Level ALPHA]

Peng Emergency Order #01-04072017, Priority Level ALPHA

§1 [Content]

(1) A new constitution referendum will be done immediately.

(2) The procedures and lenght of the referendum are analogous to the original one.

(3) The citizen roster shall be frozen during the referendum

§2 [Commencement/Expiry]

(1) This order shall take effect immediately after it's proclamation.

(2) This order shall cease to apply after the end of the constition referendum.

(3) Commencement and expiry shall be published in the Regional Gazette.

[/spoiler]

:P

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The United Providences Of Perland wrote:And the true Unf pops out, just jealous he lost. Good job

Mate are you seriously telling the guy who thrives on messing sh!t up wouldn't take the opportunity to mess sh!t up just because he won some vote he wasn't even active during?

You're pretty good at reading people wow

Also, think how dumb re-doing the vote is. It would be the equivalent of when the US Constitution was approved by congress that turns out, two delegates just happened to have their votes nullified, and now they have to be "welp guys let's just take back the ratification process of our most sacred document over a technicality."

Unfallious wrote:Mate are you seriously telling the guy who thrives on messing sh!t up wouldn't take the opportunity to mess sh!t up just because he won some vote he wasn't even active during?

You're pretty good at reading people wow

So your motivation is for sh!ts and giggles 10/10

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Also, think how dumb re-doing the vote is. It would be the equivalent of when the US Constitution was approved by congress that turns out, two delegates just happened to have their votes nullified, and now they have to be "welp guys let's just take back the ratification process of our most sacred document over a technicality."

If those 2 delegates were the difference between the constitution being ratified and it not being ratified I'd say that would be a bit more than a technicality

Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So your motivation is for sh!ts and giggles 10/10

Your motivation is 'I can't be bothered to do it right' so I guess we're both bad

Please keep it civil. Attack me for the mistake but not each other. Please.

Unfallious wrote:Your motivation is 'I can't be bothered to do it right' so I guess we're both bad

No, my motivation is it's idiotic.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Please keep it civil. Attack me for the mistake but not each other. Please.

You didn't really do anything.

Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:No, my motivation is it's idiotic.

'I think doing it right is idiotic'

oh boy you made it sound better

Unfallious wrote:'I think doing it right is idiotic'

oh boy you made it sound better

And who defines it as right, you lol

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You didn't really do anything.

See, not doing something can be wrong in some situations too. Like if I didn't do my homework I would have gotten into trouble.

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The United Providences Of Perland wrote:And who defines it as right, you lol

in the uk a vote is wrong if it includes invalid elements, I dunno if that's the same where you are

Unfallious wrote:in the uk a vote is wrong if it includes invalid elements, I dunno if that's the same where you are

We don't really do national referendums here, excluding elections. But this isn't the U.K. Or USA.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:We don't really do national referendums here, excluding elections. But this isn't the U.K. Or USA.

So if you have a disagreement in your family and someone puts it to a vote and they miscount and count 5 instead of 3 do you just accept that?

Hey other Americans, is not caring about votes being correct an American trait? Do you guys have cultural voting apathy?

Unfallious wrote:So if you have a disagreement in your family and someone puts it to a vote and they miscount and count 5 instead of 3 do you just accept that?

Hey other Americans, is not caring about votes being correct an American trait? Do you guys have cultural voting apathy?

I believe not even 60% of Americans vote. Mainly cause a lot are convicted felons lol, have work, or don't care.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I believe not even 60% of Americans vote. Mainly cause a lot are convicted felons lol, have work, or don't care.

Okay, holy Sh!t. Perland this isn't some arbitrary referendum this is the difference between two completely different outcomes of a Constitutional Vote.

Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I believe not even 60% of Americans vote. Mainly cause a lot are convicted felons lol, have work, or don't care.

The convicted felons being blocked from voting thing is really an affront to democracy. And Election Day should be a national holiday so people that work can have a chance to vote.

Unfallious wrote:

Hey other Americans, is not caring about votes being correct an American trait? Do you guys have cultural voting apathy?

Yes and yes. We don't care about popular votes so long as the important guys (electors) get their votes. And, yes, we have voting apathy mostly because of sh!tey candidates in recent years.

Penguania And Antarctica

Anyway, yes, redo the referendum. If there was something that went wrong during it, it needs to be redone.

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:The convicted felons being blocked from voting thing is really an affront to democracy. And Election Day should be a national holiday so people that work can have a chance to vote.

Elections are always on a Sunday over here in Germany. And convicted felons and imprisoned people are allowed to vote, since they are still citizens and voting is one of their supreme rights. The state also must assist people to excercise their voting right. :)

Friedensreich wrote:Anyway, yes, redo the referendum. If there was something that went wrong during it, it needs to be redone.

I, too, am supporting a re-vote on the constitutional proposals. I'm just not sure why we're having a referendum to decide this. The previous referendum was subject to electoral mismanagement; the logical solution is a re-vote.

All the same, I encourage everyone to vote for a re-vote. Elections lose all validity if they aren't managed and processed correctly; this goes double for referenda that decide our entire constitution.

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Continental Commonwealths wrote:I, too, am supporting a re-vote on the constitutional proposals. I'm just not sure why we're having a referendum to decide this. The previous referendum was subject to electoral mismanagement; the logical solution is a re-vote.

All the same, I encourage everyone to vote for a re-vote. Elections lose all validity if they aren't managed and processed correctly; this goes double for referenda that decide our entire constitution.

It's just right, as perpetrator of this mess, that I abstain.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I, too, am supporting a re-vote on the constitutional proposals. I'm just not sure why we're having a referendum to decide this. The previous referendum was subject to electoral mismanagement; the logical solution is a re-vote.

All the same, I encourage everyone to vote for a re-vote. Elections lose all validity if they aren't managed and processed correctly; this goes double for referenda that decide our entire constitution.

CC, can we be friends?

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