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Kalaron wrote:Mate.

Just have the UK become our colony, the Irony will smother the beaten pride ;P

No thanks. Scotland is already being shafted by Westminster. No need to make it a gruesome threesome by adding Washington into the mix.

Then again, Washington has been shafting Westminster since the Suez Crisis so...

Yukona wrote:I don't condone what he supports but he has been through the system.

Yeah, nothing truly works 100% of the time- sometimes you just have to give up. The only alternative would be some real Clockwork Orange sh!t.

Kalaron wrote:Mate.

Just have the UK become our colony, the Irony will smother the beaten pride ;P

I think I'd just move to Germany. I love the UK, but not that much.

Yukona

Aghrabia wrote:Yeah, nothing truly works 100% of the time- sometimes you just have to give up. The only alternative would be some real Clockwork Orange sh!t.

I think I'd just move to Germany. I love the UK, but not that much.

I'd move to a Scandinavian country.

Aghrabia

Since I am European are we talking about Football as Soccer, or Football as the classic American (Smack Down Derby) game?

Latrovia wrote:Since I am European are we talking about Football as Soccer, or Football as the classic American (Smack Down Derby) game?

There is only one good kind of football, and that's American Football.

GO STEELERS!!!

BOO PATRIOTS!! Right, [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation]?

Latrovia

Sulania wrote:There is only one good kind of football, and that's American Football.

GO STEELERS!!!

BOO PATRIOTS!! Right, [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation]?

I would really support a rename on that sport... Like "Smackball" or something

Nuremgard wrote:I'd move to a Scandinavian country.

I have relatives thereally. But failing all that, I could just move to Sweden, given how A) those languages are very easy to learn and B) they all speak English anyway

Nuremgard

Kalaron wrote:>Imperial Jackboot

You have two hundred something tanks and will lose thirty percent of that by 2020.

Why do tanks matter when there are attack helicopters and cruise missiles?

Khitoum

Aghrabia wrote:I have relatives thereally. But failing all that, I could just move to Sweden, given how A) those languages are very easy to learn and B) they all speak English anyway

I'd maybe move to Denmark. Has the happiest citizens in the world.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Khitoum

I AM BACK ON WA. ENDORSE TO BE ENDORSED! :)

Ythereum, Khitoum

Latrovia wrote:I would really support a rename on that sport... Like "Smackball" or something

I'd watch Smackball.

Ythereum, Latrovia, Aghrabia, Khitoum

Outer Oz wrote:Why do tanks matter when there are attack helicopters and cruise missiles?

Well, cruise missiles can be destroyed by missile interceptors or CIWS, and Helicopters are vulnerable to AA.

Besides, you will still need ground forces, and tanks are a critical component of that force.

Khitoum

Sulania wrote:There is only one good kind of football, and that's American Football.

GO STEELERS!!!

BOO PATRIOTS!! Right, [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation]?

Nothing beats watching millionaires in shiny pants ram into each other while older millionaires talk about it

Outer Oz wrote:Why do tanks matter when there are attack helicopters and cruise missiles?

doesn't the US army say it has enough tanks but congress won't stop buying them because of the jobs they make?

Nuremgard wrote:I'd move to a Scandinavian country.

(Sw)eden

Ythereum, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:There is only one good kind of football, and that's American Football.

GO STEELERS!!!

BOO PATRIOTS!! Right, [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation]?

Stop... No...

[B]REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY

Day 15:[/B] David Bowie - "Lazarus" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-JqH1M4Ya8)

Thank you for reading, papa bless

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Khitoum

Kalaron wrote:Well, cruise missiles can be destroyed by missile interceptors or CIWS, and Helicopters are vulnerable to AA.

and tanks can be destroyed by ... a cruise missile, helicopter, howitzer, mortar.... or a moderately deep trench. or deep enough mud.

Kalaron wrote:

Besides, you will still need ground forces, and tanks are a critical component of that force.

critical? hardly. in a modern combined arms force, infantry are better supported by drones, air cav and/or IFVs. besides, the bread and butter of modern ground force work is urban operations... in which a tank is wildly impractical.

Khitoum wrote:

doesn't the US army say it has enough tanks but congress won't stop buying them because of the jobs they make?

yes b/c they are a holdover from the previous generation of warfare. they look cool but there are just better tools available for what modern militaries need to do.

Ythereum, Khitoum

Outer Oz wrote:and tanks can be destroyed by ... a cruise missile, helicopter, howitzer, mortar.... or a moderately deep trench. or deep enough mud.

critical? hardly. in a modern combined arms force, infantry are better supported by drones, air cav and/or IFVs. besides, the bread and butter of modern ground force work is urban operations... in which a tank is wildly impractical.

yes b/c they are a holdover from the previous generation of warfare. they look cool but there are just better tools available for what modern militaries need to do.

A massively incorrect assumption you have there.

In modern war, the Tank is still an indispensable tool for the prevalent strategy -Combined Arms- and is unlikely to be replaced anytime soon. The Main Battle Tank is vital to continuing modern war efforts as it allows for direct fire support, provides protection against other armoured vehicles, and is all around a far more armoured and armed weapon than Artillery, IFVs or AFVs could ever be.

You note that Tanks could be destroyed by a Cruise missile, but completely ignore the Active Protection system being installed onto many tanks, as well as the ERA and composite armour that is integral to their designs. As for helicopters, the nature of war is to gain a combined arms advantage, the MANPADS of the infantry defend the tank while the tanks defends the infantry from other armoured vehicles and clusters of infantry.

I would hardly call being stuck in Mud being "destroyed" but regardless, pulling those vehicles out is the job of dedicated Armoured Recovery Vehicles which could simply tow them back.

To be clear, I am not speaking about the dirt-wars we have in the middle east -Though the role of an armoured vehicle that can shield infantry without being knocked out and provide direct fire support is increasingly important- but of actual involved wars with nations.

If Tanks were truely obsolete, then clearly, any of thousands of designers out there developing the fourth generation of MBT would realize it before you, right?

Ythereum

Orcala wrote:So what is your opinion on The Black Hawks, CoFN?

those guys? they are so emotionally fragile. they raided one of my past regions and left the weirdest little rant on the WFE about "respecting the r/d game." it was like a 5 person region and we had no contact with raiders before. just strange...

Ythereum wrote:Says the person whose nation is "the royal republic of the royal republic"

its the nation so great they had to name it twice.

Nuremgard wrote:Since the UK is leaving the EU, it will want to reassert the "special relationship." Now get back under the imperial jackboot, Yank.

jackboots are so stylish, tho. post-punk.

Baxten wrote:I'd watch Smackball.

same. y is that not a thing?

Aghrabia wrote:Yeah, nothing truly works 100% of the time- sometimes you just have to give up. The only alternative would be some real Clockwork Orange sh!t.

movie or book, my droog?

"i was cured, all right."

Outer Oz wrote:

yes b/c they are a holdover from the previous generation of warfare. they look cool but there are just better tools available for what modern militaries need to do.

but i thought war... war never changed?

Ythereum, Outer Oz, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Khitoum

Orcala wrote:So what is your opinion on The Black Hawks, CoFN?

I personally don't like raiding and raider groups, but officially, the CoFN is neutral in regards to R/D.

Ythereum, Authoritaristan, Aghrabia, Khitoum

Kalaron wrote:A massively incorrect assumption you have there.

eh, i think you are making the mistake of approaching 21st century warfare with a 20th century mindset.

Kalaron wrote:

In modern war, the Tank is still an indispensable tool for the prevalent strategy -Combined Arms- and is unlikely to be replaced anytime soon. The Main Battle Tank is vital to continuing modern war efforts as it allows for direct fire support, provides protection against other armoured vehicles, and is all around a far more armoured and armed weapon than Artillery, IFVs or AFVs could ever be.

um... no. you are incorrect about the tank's "vitality" and I will explain below. You may or may not be correct about the physical advantages over tanks. I am not an engineer and if you are I will concede this point to you. Otherwise we will have to agree to disagree.

Kalaron wrote:

You note that Tanks could be destroyed by a Cruise missile, but completely ignore the Active Protection system being installed onto many tanks, as well as the ERA and composite armour that is integral to their designs.

Yes I did but this still doesn't tip the scale. It's one more advantage in favor of tanks but the total still weighs against them.

Kalaron wrote:

As for helicopters, the nature of war is to gain a combined arms advantage, the MANPADS of the infantry defend the tank while the tanks defends the infantry from other armoured vehicles and clusters of infantry.

lol what? thats a tactic or a formation. thats not "the nature of war." the nature of war is to accomplish the goals of whoever sent you to war. in the case of America, that's Congress, and their goal is to stabilize a particular situation, usually in an urban setting.... in which tanks are not helpful.

Kalaron wrote:

I would hardly call being stuck in Mud being "destroyed" but regardless, pulling those vehicles out is the job of dedicated Armoured Recovery Vehicles which could simply tow them back.

yes, destroyed was the wrong word. incapacitated, perhaps. but u are splitting hairs. the point is simple obstacles can take a tank out of action quite easily.

Kalaron wrote:

To be clear, I am not speaking about the dirt-wars we have in the middle east -Though the role of an armoured vehicle that can shield infantry without being knocked out and provide direct fire support is increasingly important- but of actual involved wars with nations.

this is your most incorrect assumption of all. the primary tools of 21st century warfare are trade and information. the armed conflicts will stay limited to proxy battles, in which tanks will be increasingly useless.

IF a full-scale war like you are talking about occurs, it wont be fought with tanks. it will be fought with nuclear weapons, railguns, and bioweapons. And God help us all.

Kalaron wrote:

If Tanks were truely obsolete, then clearly, any of thousands of designers out there developing the fourth generation of MBT would realize it before you, right?

maybe they just like having jobs?

Ythereum, Authoritaristan

Kalaron wrote:A massively incorrect assumption you have there.

lol so confident

Outer Oz wrote:[...]

Oz: 1 Kalaron: 0

Ythereum, Outer Oz

Hello people. Have a nice Sunday.

[spoiler=Today is March 12 and today are:]

Today is March 12 and today are:

- Alfred Hitchcock Day

- Arbor Day (China)

- Arbor Day (Taiwan)

- Aztec New Year

- Check Your Batteries Day

- Commonwealth Day (British Virgin Islands)

- Daylight Saving Time Start (most of the United States)

- Full Moon Day of Tabaung (Myanmar)

- Girl Scout Birthday (United States)

- Holi (Mauritius)

- Holika Dahana (India)

- Holi Phagwah (Guyana, Suriname)

- International Fanny Pack Day

- Madin Full Moon Poya Day (Sri Lanka)

- National Baked Scallops Day (United States)

- National Day (Mauritius)

- National Plant a Flower Day (United States)

- Purim (Israel)

- Tree Day (Republic of Macedonia)

- World Day Against Cyber Censorship

- Youth Day (Zambia)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 538 – Vitiges, king of the Ostrogoths ends his siege of Rome and retreats to Ravenna, leaving the city in the hands of the victorious Byzantine general, Belisarius

- 1550 – Several hundred Spanish and indigenous troops under the command of Pedro de Valdivia defeat an army of 60,000 Mapuche at the Battle of Penco during the Arauco War in present-day Chile

- 1622 – Ignatius of Loyola and Francis Xavier, founders of the Jesuits, are canonized as saints by the Catholic Church

- 1689 – The Williamite War in Ireland begins.

- 1811 – Peninsular War: A day after a successful rearguard action, French Marshal Michel Ney once again successfully delayed the pursuing Anglo-Portuguese force at the Battle of Redinha

- 1864 – American Civil War: The Red River Campaign begins as a US Navy fleet of 13 Ironclads and 7 Gunboats and other support ships enter the Red River

- 1868 – Henry O'Farrell attempts to assassinate Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh.

- 1868 – Basutoland, today called Lesotho, is annexed by the United Kingdom.

- 1881 – Andrew Watson makes his Scotland debut as the world's first black international football player and captain.

- 1885 – Tonkin Campaign: France captures the citadel of Bắc Ninh.

- 1894 – Coca-Cola is bottled and sold for the first time in Vicksburg, Mississippi, by local soda fountain operator Joseph A. Biedenharn.

- 1910 – Greek cruiser Georgios Averof is launched at Livorno.

- 1912 – The Girl Guides (later renamed the Girl Scouts of the USA) are founded in the United States.

- 1913 – Canberra Day: The future capital of Australia is officially named Canberra. (Melbourne remains temporary capital until 1927 while the new capital is still under construction.)

- 1918 – Moscow becomes the capital of Russia again after Saint Petersburg held this status for 215 years.

- 1920 – The Kapp Putsch begins when the Marinebrigade Ehrhardt is ordered to march on Berlin.

- 1921 – İstiklâl Marşı is adopted in the Grand National Assembly of Turkey.

- 1922 – Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan form the Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic

- 1928 – In California, the St. Francis Dam fails; the resulting floods kill over 600 people.

- 1930 – Mahatma Gandhi begins the Salt March, a 200-mile march to the sea to protest the British monopoly on salt in India

- 1933 – Great Depression: Franklin D. Roosevelt addresses the nation for the first time as President of the United States. This is also the first of his "fireside chats".

- 1934 – Konstantin Päts and General Johan Laidoner stage a coup in Estonia, and ban all political parties.

- 1938 – Anschluss: German troops occupy and absorb Austria.

- 1940 – Winter War: Finland signs the Moscow Peace Treaty with the Soviet Union, ceding almost all of Finnish Karelia. Finnish troops and the remaining population are immediately evacuated.

- 1942 – Pacific War: The Battle of Java ends with an ABDACOM surrender to the Japanese Empire in Bandung, West Java, Dutch East Indies.

- 1947 – The Truman Doctrine is proclaimed to help stem the spread of Communism.

- 1950 – The Llandow air disaster occurs near Sigingstone, Wales, in which 80 people die when their aircraft crashed, making it the world's deadliest air disaster at the time.

- 1961 – First winter ascent of the North Face of the Eiger.

- 1967 – Suharto take power from Sukarno when the MPRS inaugurated him as Acting President of Indonesia.

- 1968 – Mauritius achieves independence from the United Kingdom.

- 1971 – The March 12 Memorandum is sent to the Suleyman Demirel government of Turkey and the government resigns.

- 1992 – Mauritius becomes a republic while remaining a member of the Commonwealth of Nations.

- 1993 – Several bombs explode in Mumbai, India, killing about 300 and injuring hundreds more.

- 1993 – North Korea nuclear weapons program: North Korea says that it plans to withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and refuses to allow inspectors access to its nuclear sites.

- 1993 – The 1993 Storm of the Century: Snow begins to fall across the eastern portion of the US with tornadoes, thunder snow storms, high winds and record low temperatures. The storm lasts for 30 hours.

- 1993 – Janet Reno is sworn in as the United States' first female attorney general.

- 1994 – The Church of England ordains its first female priests.

- 1999 – Former Warsaw Pact members the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland join NATO.

- 2003 – Zoran Đinđić, Prime Minister of Serbia, is assassinated in Belgrade.

- 2003 – WHO officially released global warning on pandemic SARS disease.

- 2004 – The President of South Korea, Roh Moo-hyun, is impeached by its National Assembly: The first such impeachment in the nation's history.

- 2009 – Financier Bernard Madoff pleads guilty in New York to scamming $18 billion, the largest in Wall Street's history.

- 2011 – A reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant melts and explodes and releases radioactivity into the atmosphere a day after Japan's earthquake.

- 2014 – A gas explosion in the New York City neighborhood of East Harlem kills eight and injures 70 others.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1607 – Paul Gerhardt, German poet and composer

- 1613 – André Le Nôtre, French gardener and architect

- 1685 – George Berkeley, Irish bishop and philosopher

- 1824 – Gustav Kirchhoff, Russian-German physicist and academic

- 1864 – W. H. R. Rivers, English anthropologist, neurologist, ethnologist, and psychiatrist

- 1921 – Gianni Agnelli, Italian businessman

- 1922 – Jack Kerouac, American author and poet

- 1928 – Edward Albee, American director and playwright

- 1946 – Liza Minnelli, American actress, singer, and dancer

- 1947 – Mitt Romney, American businessman and politician, 70th Governor of Massachusetts

- 1979 – Pete Doherty, English singer-songwriter and guitarist

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Quote of the day

Love is the child of illusion and the parent of disillusion.

- Miguel de Unamuno -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Percyton, Khitoum

Authoritaristan wrote:lol so confident

Oz: 1 Kalaron: 0

thx but its not a competition. just a friendly discussion about something tht anyone spending their time on this site is obviously not an expert in anyway

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Khitoum

Authoritaristan wrote:

but i thought war... war never changed?

youre thinking of women.... women never change. war changes all the time.

Outer Oz wrote:thx but its not a competition. just a friendly discussion about something tht anyone spending their time on this site is obviously not an expert in anyway

yes we are all friends here. most of us with too much time on our hands

Ythereum, Aghrabia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- Alfred Hitchcock Day

https://youtu.be/_wYtG7aQTHA

Authoritaristan wrote:lol so confident

Oz: 1 Kalaron: 0

Do you people know nothing about Kal? I don't know if Oz spends 95% of his free time designing weapons and military vehicles (ones grounded in reality). If Oz is a soldier or knows something about this, then I retract.

Yukona

Khitoum wrote:youre thinking of women.... women never change. war changes all the time.

lol its a quote from fallout

Baxten wrote:Do you people know nothing about Kal? I don't know if Oz spends 95% of his free time designing weapons and military vehicles (ones grounded in reality). If Oz is a soldier or knows something about this, then I retract.

If I told Oz was an officer in the US Air Guard would you believe me?

Anyways it doesnt matter. Who cares who spends how much time doing wht? It doesnt mean you are an expert. Unless Kalaron has attended a war college or had a similar formal training he is still just a hobbyist. I think their statements speak for themselves.

Ythereum, Yukona, Khitoum

Authoritaristan wrote:lol its a quote from fallout

If I told Oz was an officer in the US Air Guard would you believe me?

Anyways it doesnt matter. Who cares who spends how much time doing wht? It doesnt mean you are an expert. Unless Kalaron has attended a war college or had a similar formal training he is still just a hobbyist. I think their statements speak for themselves.

Possibly. I'd be definitely impressed by that.

Alright

Yukona, Khitoum

Authoritaristan wrote:lol its a quote from

i know i was just being silly. my gf is actually playing fallout on the couch next to me right now lol

Authoritaristan wrote:

If I told Oz was an officer in the US Air Guard would you believe me?

do u him in rl? Is he?

Authoritaristan wrote:

Anyways it doesnt matter. Who cares who spends how much time doing wht? It doesnt mean you are an expert.

^this. there are some subjects u just can master alone.

Authoritaristan wrote:

I think their statements speak for themselves.

yes you can say you have whatever training or experience you want but all we can really judge u by is what information u present here. and in tht respect oz seems just as knowledgeable as ron.

Ythereum

"Percyton has been ranked in the Top 10% of the world for Most Advanced Public Transport."

I would hope so, considering how well-known Percyton's railway is. We're probably not ranked higher because we still mainly use steam, when the rest of the world has adopted diesel and electric.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1928 – In California, the St. Francis Dam fails; the resulting floods kill over 600 people.

How awful! I was there when the dam on Toby's Branch Line failed, so I know first-hand how dangerous it can be when dams break.

https://youtu.be/EIrvYzUS2p4

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1993 – The 1993 Storm of the Century: Snow begins to fall across the eastern portion of the US with tornadoes, thunder snow storms, high winds and record low temperatures. The storm lasts for 30 hours.

'Storm of the Century'? And I thought winters on Sodor were bad, but I don't think we've ever had the 'Storm of the Century'.

https://youtu.be/wxGt0UTY4uo

https://youtu.be/2648rVgzPNE

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:"Percyton has been ranked in the Top 10% of the world for Most Advanced Public Transport."

I would hope so, considering how well-known Percyton's railway is. We're probably not ranked higher because we still mainly use steam, when the rest of the world has adopted diesel and electric.

How awful! I was there when the dam on Toby's Branch Line failed, so I know first-hand how dangerous it can be when dams break.

https://youtu.be/EIrvYzUS2p4

'Storm of the Century'? And I thought winters on Sodor were bad, but I don't think we've ever had the 'Storm of the Century'.

https://youtu.be/wxGt0UTY4uo

https://youtu.be/2648rVgzPNE

r their roads in percyton? or just tracks?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Percyton wrote:"Percyton has been ranked in the Top 10% of the world for Most Advanced Public Transport."

I would hope so, considering how well-known Percyton's railway is. We're probably not ranked higher because we still mainly use steam, when the rest of the world has adopted diesel and electric.

How awful! I was there when the dam on Toby's Branch Line failed, so I know first-hand how dangerous it can be when dams break.

https://youtu.be/EIrvYzUS2p4

'Storm of the Century'? And I thought winters on Sodor were bad, but I don't think we've ever had the 'Storm of the Century'.

https://youtu.be/wxGt0UTY4uo

https://youtu.be/2648rVgzPNE

Always a pleasure to watch your adventures. :)

Jaslandia, Percyton

Khitoum wrote:r their roads in percyton? or just tracks?

We have plenty of roads too, but I much prefer the rails. However, I have met some very nice road vehicles, like Bertie the Bus and Terrence the Tractor.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Khitoum wrote:do u him in rl? Is he?

yes authoritaristan and i acquainted in RL. However I am not going to make any claims abt myself I cannot prove, and I am not going to post any info abt my RL identity on here. So please pretend he didnt say tht.

like you said, just evaluate the statements on their own merit.

Ythereum, Authoritaristan, Khitoum

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Always a pleasure to watch your adventures. :)

They're not just MY adventures; Thomas and my other friends have plenty of their own adventures too.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Khitoum

Percyton wrote:They're not just MY adventures; Thomas and my other friends have plenty of their own adventures too.

Nevertheless I enjoy watching them :)

Outer Oz, Jaslandia, Percyton, Khitoum

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Nevertheless I enjoy watching them :)

yes.... he's always watching :p

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Khitoum

Outer Oz wrote:yes.... he's always watching :p

https://youtu.be/7YvAYIJSSZY

Percyton

Outer Oz wrote:eh, i think you are making the mistake of approaching 21st century warfare with a 20th century mindset.

um... no. you are incorrect about the tank's "vitality" and I will explain below. You may or may not be correct about the physical advantages over tanks. I am not an engineer and if you are I will concede this point to you. Otherwise we will have to agree to disagree.

Yes I did but this still doesn't tip the scale. It's one more advantage in favor of tanks but the total still weighs against them.

lol what? thats a tactic or a formation. thats not "the nature of war." the nature of war is to accomplish the goals of whoever sent you to war. in the case of America, that's Congress, and their goal is to stabilize a particular situation, usually in an urban setting.... in which tanks are not helpful.

yes, destroyed was the wrong word. incapacitated, perhaps. but u are splitting hairs. the point is simple obstacles can take a tank out of action quite easily.

this is your most incorrect assumption of all. the primary tools of 21st century warfare are trade and information. the armed conflicts will stay limited to proxy battles, in which tanks will be increasingly useless.

IF a full-scale war like you are talking about occurs, it wont be fought with tanks. it will be fought with nuclear weapons, railguns, and bioweapons. And God help us all.

maybe they just like having jobs?

I mean, it's the simple function of a tank to have a larger gun and be more defensible than a IFV. You don't need to be an engineer to know that 120mm of high explosive is more effective than 20-30mm of it, and that 30mm of protection from APFSDS rounds is little compared to 600mm (M1A1HA). That said, we're still ignoring the fact that those Cruise Missiles can be taken out easily by the APS of the Tank...or by the Smoke Canister...or by jamming the tracking mechanism (Shtora) or by any nearby missile interceptor in the area.

As for mud being able to take out a tank...there is no reason it can't do the same to an IFV or a Humvee even.

The M2 Bradley -for example- is 27.4 tons, in mud that could completely immobilize an M1A1 the result would be the same, it would require an Armoured Recovery Vehicle to tow it out.

The means by which one wins the war is through the more successful integration of all forces, so while it is a tactic, it is a goal in warfare all the same.

This is also why Infantry travel with Tanks, to spot and provide directions should the need arise. I can't think of a single reason why the Infantry would allow their shield to drive into 8+ foot mud without a word, can you?

Frankly, ignoring the fact that we've only recently been involved in wars on Terrorist States lacking the proper infrastructure to build anything like an Armoured Vehicle, We've already been involved in a war wherein Tanks were used to massive effect, the Iraq War. Indeed, they were actually instrumental in providing rapid and protected firepower during the Thunder-Runs. Besides that, it isn't that they are useless in cities but that they must be used in conjunction with other forces, again, this is why Combined Arms is used. The infantry keep watch and protect it from roof-top RPGs, it protects them from the front with firepower and mobile defense. None of this even covers the fact that, should insurgents be inside a building -and the surrounding area clear- the Abrams can pepper the building with the AMP round, or with the M1028 APCC to begin blowing holes in the building, protecting the lives of the Infantry.

I'm not sure why you believe that the US will see no action in states where there is the infrastructure to produce war beyond the age old "Throw bodies at them" tactic, but regardless those nations with Nuclear Weaponry would much more likely seek an alternative to war (and honestly, even in the event of war, it is far more likely that we would be involved in skirmishes while Washington and whoever attempted to broker a peace deal that didn't involve nuclear annihilation). I'm referring to the myriad other nations in existence that could attempt to war with the US, or could have war declared on them and would provide an ample time-frame where Tanks were needed and effective...hell...they could even be the proxy wars you're talking about.

Railguns are far off from being the "grand weapon of the fleet" and will be restrained massively by their basic properties...heat generation for instance. The very nature of a railgun is to use superconductive materials to lob a round off at massive speeds, but most superconducting materials need to be extremely cold in order to function (There are High Temperature Superconductors, but you'd need to heat the metal until it became superconducting...kinda puts a damper on "immediate fire support") and the heat from lobbing the round would burn it out in quick order. I personally believe that we'll see them during the 2040s

Kalaron wrote:I mean, it's the simple function of a tank to have a larger gun and be more defensible than a IFV. You don't need to be an engineer to know that 120mm of high explosive is more effective than 20-30mm of it, and that 30mm of protection from APFSDS rounds is little compared to 600mm (M1A1HA). That said, we're still ignoring the fact that those Cruise Missiles can be taken out easily by the APS of the Tank...or by the Smoke Canister...or by jamming the tracking mechanism (Shtora) or by any nearby missile interceptor in the area.

As for mud being able to take out a tank...there is no reason it can't do the same to an IFV or a Humvee even.

The M2 Bradley -for example- is 27.4 tons, in mud that could completely immobilize an M1A1 the result would be the same, it would require an Armoured Recovery Vehicle to tow it out.

The means by which one wins the war is through the more successful integration of all forces, so while it is a tactic, it is a goal in warfare all the same.

This is also why Infantry travel with Tanks, to spot and provide directions should the need arise. I can't think of a single reason why the Infantry would allow their shield to drive into 8+ foot mud without a word, can you?

Frankly, ignoring the fact that we've only recently been involved in wars on Terrorist States lacking the proper infrastructure to build anything like an Armoured Vehicle, We've already been involved in a war wherein Tanks were used to massive effect, the Iraq War. Indeed, they were actually instrumental in providing rapid and protected firepower during the Thunder-Runs. Besides that, it isn't that they are useless in cities but that they must be used in conjunction with other forces, again, this is why Combined Arms is used. The infantry keep watch and protect it from roof-top RPGs, it protects them from the front with firepower and mobile defense. None of this even covers the fact that, should insurgents be inside a building -and the surrounding area clear- the Abrams can pepper the building with the AMP round, or with the M1028 APCC to begin blowing holes in the building, protecting the lives of the Infantry.

I'm not sure why you believe that the US will see no action in states where there is the infrastructure to produce war beyond the age old "Throw bodies at them" tactic, but regardless those nations with Nuclear Weaponry would much more likely seek an alternative to war (and honestly, even in the event of war, it is far more likely that we would be involved in skirmishes while Washington and whoever attempted to broker a peace deal that didn't involve nuclear annihilation). I'm referring to the myriad other nations in existence that could attempt to war with the US, or could have war declared on them and would provide an ample time-frame where Tanks were needed and effective...hell...they could even be the proxy wars you're talking about.

Railguns are far off from being the "grand weapon of the fleet" and will be restrained massively by their basic properties...heat generation for instance. The very nature of a railgun is to use superconductive materials to lob a round off at massive speeds, but most superconducting materials need to be extremely cold in order to function (There are High Temperature Superconductors, but you'd need to heat the metal until it became superconducting...kinda puts a damper on "immediate fire support") and the heat from lobbing the round would burn it out in quick order. I personally believe that we'll see them during the 2040s

weve kind of moved past this buddy

Ythereum, Outer Oz

Kalaron wrote:Railguns

http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/meh.ro9719.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav

Oh, wrong rail gun?

Outer Oz, Varrick The Rich Guy, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Authoritaristan wrote:weve kind of moved past this buddy

You have, yes.

I was debating with the other guy.

Outer Oz wrote:thx but its not a competition. just a friendly discussion about something tht anyone spending their time on this site is obviously not an expert in anyway

Kalaron wrote:snip

also next time use the quote function to respond directly to someones points instead of just plopping it all down in one go.

Ythereum

Jaslandia wrote:http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/meh.ro9719.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav

Oh, wrong rail gun?

That thing looks familiar. Kuvira had something like that, although she later removed it from the rails and attached it to a gigantic mecha. That thing was scary!

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_energy_cannon#History

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:You have, yes.

I was debating with the other guy.

Kalaron wrote:Mate, I'm in no more agreement with the other dude than you, but I agree with the others that you made a bad argument (though, I may be biased since 90% of new debate partners on the RMB tend to make that their case against me) against the dude.

I recommend just taking five minutes to sit back, these types of conversations always pass.

Ythereum, Authoritaristan

Kalaron wrote:90% of new debate partners on the RMB tend to make that their case against me) against the dude.

wait wat? did u ever think that if they are all saying the same thing, u might be the problem?

Ythereum

Authoritaristan wrote:wait wat? did u ever think that if they are all saying the same thing, u might be the problem?

Mhm Mhm Mhm.....!!!!

Outer Oz

The United Kingdom and it's Commonwealths are open to negotiate partnership agreements with new nations. TG us to have our first official contacts. :)

Outer Oz

Outer Oz wrote:

I mean, the context of that was that he was insulting someone, but K.

Guess y'all just ain't the debating type.

Authoritaristan wrote:wait wat? did u ever think that if they are all saying the same thing, u might be the problem?

Well, 90% of them were trolls, so I don't believe I am.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, the context of that was that he was insulting someone, but K.

Guess y'all just ain't the debating type.

Not sure its really a "debate"... but anyways I just meant that 'Stan is right. I said my bit, you said your bit. I didn't change your mind, you didn't change my mind. Life goes on.

Kalaron wrote:

Well, 90% of them were trolls, so I don't believe I am.

lol

Ythereum, Authoritaristan, Latrovia, Khitoum

Kalaron wrote:

Well, 90% of them were trolls, so I don't believe I am.

are you saying their criticism of you is invalid because they are trolls? or they are trolls because they criticize you?

Ythereum, Authoritaristan, Latrovia

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Map updated. Now some of y'all can stop complaining like I asked earlier

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:https://twitter.com/ukl_gov/status/840994829605703682

Son of a...

Authoritaristan, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Magnatronia wrote:Son of a...

witch ?

Authoritaristan, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:Son of a...

UK ftw

Authoritaristan, Magnatronia

hi friendly notice to tell you all that I'm writing a new constitution for the CoFN as the current has time and time again been shown to be utter garbo.

Expect to see it in like 2 weeks or however long it takes to make a constitution that is actually decent

Authoritaristan, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:hi friendly notice to tell you all that I'm writing a new constitution for the CoFN as the current has time and time again been shown to be utter garbo.

Expect to see it in like 2 weeks or however long it takes to make a constitution that is actually decent

I'm skeptical, but I'm willing to wait and see what you come up with.

Authoritaristan, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

It honestly bothers me that we're restricted to Modern, Post-Modern tech levels in the forums. I think it would be SO MUCH FUN seeing a fantasy-based nation with dragons and elves duking it out with another nation stuck in the year 1914 that still uses mustard gas artillery shells and old bolt-action rifles. Or even something like a futuristic post-apocalyptic nation repelling an army of corporate robots. Tell me that wouldn't *at least* be interesting? I think we're limiting ourselves by sticking to MT/PMT. Sure, there should be checks and balances in place to make sure German Imperialists won't be immediately vaporized by cybernetic super soldiers, but overall I don't see any problem with this. Imagine the potential!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia

Magnatronia wrote:It honestly bothers me that we're restricted to Modern, Post-Modern tech levels in the forums. I think it would be SO MUCH FUN seeing a fantasy-based nation with dragons and elves duking it out with another nation stuck in the year 1914 that still uses mustard gas artillery shells and old bolt-action rifles. Or even something like a futuristic post-apocalyptic nation repelling an army of corporate robots. Tell me that wouldn't *at least* be interesting? I think we're limiting ourselves by sticking to MT/PMT. Sure, there should be checks and balances in place to make sure German Imperialists won't be immediately vaporized by cybernetic super soldiers, but overall I don't see any problem with this. Imagine the potential!

You don't see any problem with a bunch of elves with spears charging Mark I tanks and machine guns under mustard gas fire? Well, good luck, I know who I'll play.

Jaslandia, Baxten, Aghrabia, Magnatronia

Yukona wrote:You don't see any problem with a bunch of elves with spears charging Mark I tanks and machine guns under mustard gas fire? Well, good luck, I know who I'll play.

THAT'S THE FUN PART! You get to see how the other nation interacts with yours! So, even though you'll see your elves get decimated by Lewis Gunners, they'll fight back with a squadron of dragons.

Magnatronia wrote:THAT'S THE FUN PART! You get to see how the other nation interacts with yours! So, even though you'll see your elves get decimated by Lewis Gunners, they'll fight back with a squadron of dragons.

And I will shoot the dragons with Lewis guns. Ain't too difficult, man. It's fundamentally flawed.

Aghrabia, Oelesa, Magnatronia

Yukona wrote:And I will shoot the dragons with Lewis guns. Ain't too difficult, man. It's fundamentally flawed.

Dragons, man.

Authoritaristan, Aghrabia, Yukona

Magnatronia wrote:Dragons, man.

Then just do fantasy alone, I'd much rather that and think it would be more balanced

Yukona wrote:Then just do fantasy alone, I'd much rather that and think it would be more balanced

Not really my point tho. Just sayin, I'd be interested to imagine our region as not just an alternate Earth in 2020, but more of a tear in space-time that different nations from different universes and timelines amalgamate in.

Magnatronia wrote:It honestly bothers me that we're restricted to Modern, Post-Modern tech levels in the forums. I think it would be SO MUCH FUN seeing a fantasy-based nation with dragons and elves duking it out with another nation stuck in the year 1914 that still uses mustard gas artillery shells and old bolt-action rifles. Or even something like a futuristic post-apocalyptic nation repelling an army of corporate robots. Tell me that wouldn't *at least* be interesting? I think we're limiting ourselves by sticking to MT/PMT. Sure, there should be checks and balances in place to make sure German Imperialists won't be immediately vaporized by cybernetic super soldiers, but overall I don't see any problem with this. Imagine the potential!

you can do those RPs if you want. It's just that the established RPs are all MT-PMT and the regional default for an RP is MT.

Jaslandia, Oelesa

Unfallious wrote:you can do those RPs if you want. It's just that the established RPs are all MT-PMT and the regional default for an RP is MT.

uuuuughggghghhh

k

Aghrabia, Oelesa

How do I join the RP?

Oh I have discord cool. Do people use it here?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sweedish wrote:Oh I have discord cool. Do people use it here?

Yes. Check out the WFE for the link to it.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Kep wrote:Anyone interested in a regional football [soccer] tournament.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kep wrote:

Yes.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Aghrabia.

But only if it is called a football tournament.

Ludania, Penguania And Antarctica

Ythereum wrote:Says the person whose nation is "the royal republic of the royal republic"

Touche

In all honesty though, when I made my nation (my only nation) nearly four years ago in summer 2013, I wasn't aware that "Kingdom" would be a part of my nation's title. Like I was looking for the closest government type to "Royal Republic" so I chose "Kingdom" so thus I was "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" for the longest time until recent months I decided "eh f**k it" and made it "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". Had I been aware I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and had the ability later on to rename it from "Kingdom of Kumania" to "Royal Republic of Kumania" later on, o boy yes please I would've done that.

Aghrabia, Oelesa, Yukona

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Touche

In all honesty though, when I made my nation (my only nation) nearly four years ago in summer 2013, I wasn't aware that "Kingdom" would be a part of my nation's title. Like I was looking for the closest government type to "Royal Republic" so I chose "Kingdom" so thus I was "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" for the longest time until recent months I decided "eh f**k it" and made it "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". Had I been aware I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and had the ability later on to rename it from "Kingdom of Kumania" to "Royal Republic of Kumania" later on, o boy yes please I would've done that.

Still not as bad as the Artic States, right [nation=short]Magnatronia[/nation]?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Yukona, Magnatronia

Aghrabia wrote:Still not as bad as the Artic States, right [nation=short]Magnatronia[/nation]?

God damn that's bad

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Magnatronia

Anyone here ever listen to DJ Shadow?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Touche

In all honesty though, when I made my nation (my only nation) nearly four years ago in summer 2013, I wasn't aware that "Kingdom" would be a part of my nation's title. Like I was looking for the closest government type to "Royal Republic" so I chose "Kingdom" so thus I was "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" for the longest time until recent months I decided "eh f**k it" and made it "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". Had I been aware I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and had the ability later on to rename it from "Kingdom of Kumania" to "Royal Republic of Kumania" later on, o boy yes please I would've done that.

They should really specify when creating your account that, after a certain progression in the game, you will have the power to change your pretitle. This could literally be avoided with a couple lines of infotext.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Orcala

Bearlong wrote:They should really specify when creating your account that, after a certain progression in the game, you will have the power to change your pretitle. This could literally be avoided with a couple lines of infotext.

Could we make that as a WA proposal?

Oelesa

Orcala wrote:Could we make that as a WA proposal?

Unfortunately that's not how the WA works.

The WA is pretty much just for show. It creates "laws" that its member states are supposed to follow. The only power it really exerts on the site is the ability to override border controls if a region has been liberated by it. But the WA unfortunately doesn't have any power to change how the website is operated. We would have to talk to the actual developers of the NationStates website to have them change the current system.

Aghrabia, Orcala

Orcala wrote:Could we make that as a WA proposal?

That's not a WA matter, like Kumania said. You'd bring up requests like that to the mods in the Technical section of the NS Forum.

Yukona

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Touche

In all honesty though, when I made my nation (my only nation) nearly four years ago in summer 2013, I wasn't aware that "Kingdom" would be a part of my nation's title. Like I was looking for the closest government type to "Royal Republic" so I chose "Kingdom" so thus I was "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" for the longest time until recent months I decided "eh f**k it" and made it "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". Had I been aware I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and had the ability later on to rename it from "Kingdom of Kumania" to "Royal Republic of Kumania" later on, o boy yes please I would've done that.

Then y are you so critical of others?

At least change it to something that makes sense...

- The Sovereign and Senate of the Royal Republic...

- The United Fiefdoms of the Royal Republic...

- blablahblah

Please Signup - https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=405217

Penguania And Antarctica

I found this region

The Black Pacific

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Ythereum wrote:Then y are you so critical of others?

At least change it to something that makes sense...

- The Sovereign and Senate of the Royal Republic...

- The United Fiefdoms of the Royal Republic...

- blablahblah

I was only half-sarcastically mocking/bashing my "opponent" to be WA Delegate in how I saw an unfit use of a hashtag while campaigning, like how the hashtag was not in the correct place. If that is such intense criticism that say people in the media should learn how to do, sue me.

And my nation is a royal republic. It's not a fiefdom or whatever. If I had been aware in the beginning that I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and chosen "Kingdom" as my government type and had the ability to later change that government type to something unique like "Royal Republic" to make my nation's full title be "The Royal Republic of Kumania" instead of "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" or "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania", then I would have. But alas I was not made aware of that possibility nearly four years ago when I made my nation. And it's too late now to just start over.

So far you're the only one who has expressed a problem with the full name of my nation. Since it hasn't bothered anyone else for the duration of my existence on NationStates, I'm not going to change anything. Deal with it.

And also "The Sovereign and Senate of the Royal Republic of Kumania" sounds just as odd and out of place as "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". This is a nation, not a position (or positions) within a nation. No one calls the USA "The President and Congress of the United States of America" or the UK "The Queen and Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" when referencing the countries.

Aghrabia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

anybody on?

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia

Aghrabia wrote:Anyone here ever listen to DJ Shadow?

I've only listened to Endtroducing..., which is a great album, but aside from that I haven't really had time to dig into his discography.

Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Yo all, hope you enjoy your monday.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Yo all, hope you enjoy your monday.

It's like every other day for me.

Question, dudes: What's your dudes' opinion on my nation in general. Like, is it too edgy for you

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I was only half-sarcastically mocking/bashing my "opponent" to be WA Delegate in how I saw an unfit use of a hashtag while campaigning, like how the hashtag was not in the correct place. If that is such intense criticism that say people in the media should learn how to do, sue me.

And my nation is a royal republic. It's not a fiefdom or whatever. If I had been aware in the beginning that I could've just named my nation "Kumania" and chosen "Kingdom" as my government type and had the ability to later change that government type to something unique like "Royal Republic" to make my nation's full title be "The Royal Republic of Kumania" instead of "The Kingdom of the Royal Republic of Kumania" or "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania", then I would have. But alas I was not made aware of that possibility nearly four years ago when I made my nation. And it's too late now to just start over.

So far you're the only one who has expressed a problem with the full name of my nation. Since it hasn't bothered anyone else for the duration of my existence on NationStates, I'm not going to change anything. Deal with it.

And also "The Sovereign and Senate of the Royal Republic of Kumania" sounds just as odd and out of place as "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". This is a nation, not a position (or positions) within a nation. No one calls the USA "The President and Congress of the United States of America" or the UK "The Queen and Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" when referencing the countries.

I havent been on for the weekend and i come back to 126 rmb posts. someone was debating, i just know it.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Solla Ultima

Magnatronia wrote:Question, dudes: What's your dudes' opinion on my nation in general. Like, is it too edgy for you

Pretty edgy, but no worse than most.

Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:Question, dudes: What's your dudes' opinion on my nation in general. Like, is it too edgy for you

Your name and flag alone practically screams Futuristic Corporate-led Dystopia.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

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The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Your name and flag alone practically screams Futuristic Corporate-led Dystopia.

Also know as Hel* on Earth

Solla Ultima wrote:Also know as Hel* on Earth

For once I agree with that. I'm for a free market and all but not to the point where it causes captive citizens.

Magnatronia wrote:It honestly bothers me that we're restricted to Modern, Post-Modern tech levels in the forums. I think it would be SO MUCH FUN seeing a fantasy-based nation with dragons and elves duking it out with another nation stuck in the year 1914 that still uses mustard gas artillery shells and old bolt-action rifles. Or even something like a futuristic post-apocalyptic nation repelling an army of corporate robots. Tell me that wouldn't *at least* be interesting? I think we're limiting ourselves by sticking to MT/PMT. Sure, there should be checks and balances in place to make sure German Imperialists won't be immediately vaporized by cybernetic super soldiers, but overall I don't see any problem with this. Imagine the potential!

Not at all. Now, we could have fantasy tech RPs or older tech RPs, maybe even some Steampunk or something else like that. However, I have to agree with what Yuk said; it doesn't really fit well. But you can make your own RP with those aspects. I've thought about adopting a more PMT style play (with Metal Gear type stuff like super soldiers, mechs, minimal cybernetic soldiers). However, I'd have to put that up to a vote, and from previous votes on things like this, I'd assume we'd be sticking to MT

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Magnatronia

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