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Post self-deleted by Baxten.

Yukona wrote:How do I get involved in this RP?

It's on the regional forums, under "Roleplay Center". Sign up at http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10061423/

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Baxten wrote:It's on the regional forums, under "Roleplay Center". Sign up at http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10061423/

Ah I thought it was a bit different then it seems to be, my bad.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I finally got the leader issue again and I didn't f it up this time!

Awesome

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:

Yea, aesthetic or not, it's still future tech. However, there are other ways to go about being pacifist i.e. powerful allies.

*waves*

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus

Baxten wrote:If you can change it in the RP, that'd be great.

https://youtu.be/GjJCdCXFslY?t=21s

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:Ah I thought it was a bit different then it seems to be, my bad.

What did I think it was

Lavan Tiri

Vista Major wrote:*waves*

^

Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:What did I think it was

Well I thought it was you get to play an entirely different nation than your own and a bit more realistic, just not my cup of tea, 'tis all.

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:^

haha, in all seriousness I didn't know if I was in a position to call on the ITF [or certain member nations] for the reason's of my involvement in Khutonga

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:haha, in all seriousness I didn't know if I was in a position to call on the ITF [or certain member nations] for the reason's of my involvement in Khutonga

The ITF must respond in an attack against a member's lands, but you could call upon us and I'm sure some would accept.

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:The ITF must respond in an attack against a member's lands, but you could call upon us and I'm sure some would accept.

Eager to line pockets, as usual

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:If you can change it in the RP, that'd be great.

Shhhhhh

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:I would, but the military numbers for that RP look positively moronic and this Magnatronia guy doesn't seem to understand what modern tech is.

Ugh. Excuuuuse me for having fun.

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Shhhhhh

Pardon?

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Ugh. Excuuuuse me for having fun.

Your stuff isn't modern tech at all. It's an easy fix if it was just aesthetic, but it should be changed at least for the future.

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:Pardon?

You guys are making a mountain outta a mole hill about me using robots based off of the ones from the Megaman series. I mean, that's totally realistic.

But since I'm in the christmas spirit, I'm gonna change it to corporate mercenaries, k? Just ignore the previous posts then

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:You guys are making a mountain outta a mole hill about me using robots based off of the ones from the Megaman series. I mean, that's totally realistic.

But since I'm in the christmas spirit, I'm gonna change it to corporate mercenaries, k? Just ignore the previous posts then

It's more of an Everest out of a Mountain, really.

We do need to address it always.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:It's more of an Everest out of a Mountain, really.

We do need to address it always.

Yeah yeah yeah, I get it. Alright, I'm gonna replace the Protomen (not goddamn 'clankers') with mercs from BlackWater Security (one of the corporations I mentioned in my earlier posts). I'll leave the Protomen to deal with domestic affairs like policing and such.

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:Yeah yeah yeah, I get it. Alright, I'm gonna replace the Protomen (not goddamn 'clankers') with mercs from BlackWater Security (one of the corporations I mentioned in my earlier posts). I'll leave the Protomen to deal with domestic affairs like policing and such.

To a supporter of synthetic organics, yea, yeah they most certainly are clankers :P

Lavan Tiri

Magnatronia wrote:You guys are making a mountain outta a mole hill about me using robots based off of the ones from the Megaman series. I mean, that's totally realistic.

But since I'm in the christmas spirit, I'm gonna change it to corporate mercenaries, k? Just ignore the previous posts then

Megaman isn't realistic. Please just stick to things we actually use in the armed forces in the present.

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Baxten wrote:Megaman isn't realistic. Please just stick to things we actually use in the armed forces in the present.

I was being sarcastic about them being realistic, but ok

Lavan Tiri

Post self-deleted by Sulania.

[B]Fellow Citizens of the Confederacy,[/B]

As per I, and a few others, have concerns with the current administration; I, Sulania, have started a petition to call for a Democratic Convention to discuss and seek possible solution for the betterment of the Confederacy of Free Nations.

If you would like to see a Convention held to discuss the Presidency, as well as any topics you would like to bring up, please Sign the Petition and let the voice of the People be heard!

Latrovia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Humpheria Major, Yukona

^^^

I am so not enjoying retirement and inactivity in regional government!

(In case you're wondering, that last sentence is a sarcastic remark)

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:^^^

I am so not enjoying retirement and inactivity in regional government!

(In case you're wondering, that last sentence is a sarcastic remark)

Good for you goood for yooou ju just good for you (pewdiepie reference)

Lavan Tiri

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:^^^

I am so not enjoying retirement and inactivity in regional government!

(In case you're wondering, that last sentence is a sarcastic remark)

I mean, I'm pseudo-retired and I'm enjoying it too.

I had forgotten how pleasent playing games with others was. >.>

Best part is partaking in Tim's company though < 3

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:^^^

I am so not enjoying retirement and inactivity in regional government!

(In case you're wondering, that last sentence is a sarcastic remark)

I couldn't have guessed

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Hello.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Guru Govind Singh Jayanti (India)

- Harbin International Ice and Snow Sculpture Festival (Harbin, China)

- Joma Shinji at Tsurugaoka Hachimangū (Kamakura, Japan)

- National Bird Day (United States)

- National Screenwriters Day (United States)

- National Whipped Cream Day (United States)

- Sausage Day (United Kingdom)

- Tucindan (Serbia, Montenegro)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1779 – Stephen Decatur, American commander

- 1846 – Rudolf Christoph Eucken, German philosopher and author, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1855 – King Camp Gillette, American businessman, founded the Gillette Company

- 1876 – Konrad Adenauer, German lawyer and politician, 1st Chancellor of West Germany

- 1917 – Jane Wyman, American actress

- 1921 – Friedrich Dürrenmatt, Swiss author and playwright

- 1928 – Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Pakistani lawyer and politician, 4th President of Pakistan

- 1928 – Walter Mondale, American soldier, lawyer, and politician, 42nd Vice President of the United States

- 1931 – Robert Duvall, American actor and director

- 1932 – Umberto Eco, Italian philosopher and author

- 1938 – Juan Carlos I of Spain

- 1941 – Hayao Miyazaki, Japanese animator, director, and screenwriter

- 1946 – Diane Keaton, American actress, director, and businesswoman

- 1952 – Uli Hoeneß, German footballer and manager

- 1956 – Frank-Walter Steinmeier, German academic and politician, actual German Minister for Foreign Affairs

- 1968 – DJ BoBo, Swiss singer-songwriter, dancer and music producer

- 1969 – Marilyn Manson, American singer-songwriter, actor, and director

- 1975 – Bradley Cooper, American actor and producer

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Quote of the day

The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.

- Chinese Proverb -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, The Eastern Byzantine Empire, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Good name, terrible treaty for us :P

I agree with you, it would cause more harm than good.

Lavan Tiri

Apparently I've been ranked in the top 10% of the world for longest average lifespan, which makes sense. Engines can be pretty long-lived; me and Thomas are both a little over 100 years old, and engines like Skarloey, Rheneas, and Stephen are even older than that. I guess our humans are fairly long-lived too, but not like us engines.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

I may be one of the most ardent critics of this current administration, but I cannot support the call for a Democratic Convention. In my personal view this Convention is pointless. The authority it derives itself from, the 'MRSM law carryover' is quite dubious as well. I cannot find any clear evidence that this document was actually voted on correctly. The forums hold no record of any such successful vote occurring bar a statement from the Speaker at the time saying that all would be voted on individually in a meeting. As far as I'm aware Discord sessions cannot vote on legislation, so how was this document actually passed? It would seem that, unless it was previously possible to vote in a Discord session (in which case I'd like to be pointed towards evidence of such a vote concerning this document taking place. See: audio recordings), we must conclude that the carryover document is illegitimate and all of its provisions null.

Additionally, a second problem I have with the convention is that it's simply not required. If the government is not carrying out the promises it made, is producing an unstable cabinet and making the general region less secure the only real and true course of action is a vote of no confidence on the forums. If what is said in this petition document is true and believed by the majority then this is the ultimate best course of action to take, and we shouldn't dwell on Discord-based conventions in which the few voice opinions and take actions on behalf of the many. Why should a group as small as 8 be the ones empowered to decide if this region is to undergo a vote of no confidence and those of us constricted by timezones and life responsibilities be removed from having our say? This so-called Democratic Convention is an obstacle for the execution of true democracy which can only be certifiably carried out on the medium to which the most have access to: the forums.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Unfallious wrote:I may be one of the most ardent critics of this current administration, but I cannot support the call for a Democratic Convention. In my personal view this Convention is pointless. The authority it derives itself from, the 'MRSM law carryover' is quite dubious as well. I cannot find any clear evidence that this document was actually voted on correctly. The forums hold no record of any such successful vote occurring bar a statement from the Speaker at the time saying that all would be voted on individually in a meeting. As far as I'm aware Discord sessions cannot vote on legislation, so how was this document actually passed? It would seem that, unless it was previously possible to vote in a Discord session (in which case I'd like to be pointed towards evidence of such a vote concerning this document taking place. See: audio recordings), we must conclude that the carryover document is illegitimate and all of its provisions null.

Additionally, a second problem I have with the convention is that it's simply not required. If the government is not carrying out the promises it made, is producing an unstable cabinet and making the general region less secure the only real and true course of action is a vote of no confidence on the forums. If what is said in this petition document is true and believed by the majority then this is the ultimate best course of action to take, and we shouldn't dwell on Discord-based conventions in which the few voice opinions and take actions on behalf of the many. Why should a group as small as 8 be the ones empowered to decide if this region is to undergo a vote of no confidence and those of us constricted by timezones and life responsibilities be removed from having our say? This so-called Democratic Convention is an obstacle for the execution of true democracy which can only be certifiably carried out on the medium to which the most have access to: the forums.

I agree with you Unf. The thing I dislike about these Discord sessions is that one occurs during the school week when I have work to do. I also would like to say that in every administration I see the same face. The "he does a good job" is bull because you have not seen the work of other members. I also feel that members of the CoFN are all being forced to say Aye or Nay to a vote just to appease one or two people. I will probably make my own post about the CoFN in the near future as well.

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:I may be one of the most ardent critics of this current administration, but I cannot support the call for a Democratic Convention. In my personal view this Convention is pointless. The authority it derives itself from, the 'MRSM law carryover' is quite dubious as well. I cannot find any clear evidence that this document was actually voted on correctly. The forums hold no record of any such successful vote occurring bar a statement from the Speaker at the time saying that all would be voted on individually in a meeting. As far as I'm aware Discord sessions cannot vote on legislation, so how was this document actually passed? It would seem that, unless it was previously possible to vote in a Discord session (in which case I'd like to be pointed towards evidence of such a vote concerning this document taking place. See: audio recordings), we must conclude that the carryover document is illegitimate and all of its provisions null.

Additionally, a second problem I have with the convention is that it's simply not required. If the government is not carrying out the promises it made, is producing an unstable cabinet and making the general region less secure the only real and true course of action is a vote of no confidence on the forums. If what is said in this petition document is true and believed by the majority then this is the ultimate best course of action to take, and we shouldn't dwell on Discord-based conventions in which the few voice opinions and take actions on behalf of the many. Why should a group as small as 8 be the ones empowered to decide if this region is to undergo a vote of no confidence and those of us constricted by timezones and life responsibilities be removed from having our say? This so-called Democratic Convention is an obstacle for the execution of true democracy which can only be certifiably carried out on the medium to which the most have access to: the forums.

As the "speaker at the time" referred to is me, this would count as a grave error on my part during my speakership.

The law carryover that we did was, as far as I'm concerned, unethical and frankly probably illegal. The laws should have been carried over via the forums.

As a non-citizen (from my standpoint, apparently the government still regards me as a citizen) I would recommend that a judicial statement be issued clarifying whether the law carryover is to be regarded as justifiable and therefore still applicable, or whether it was illegal and therefore to be declared null and void.

Lavan Tiri, Oelesa

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:As the "speaker at the time" referred to is me, this would count as a grave error on my part during my speakership.

The law carryover that we did was, as far as I'm concerned, unethical and frankly probably illegal. The laws should have been carried over via the forums.

As a non-citizen (from my standpoint, apparently the government still regards me as a citizen) I would recommend that a judicial statement be issued clarifying whether the law carryover is to be regarded as justifiable and therefore still applicable, or whether it was illegal and therefore to be declared null and void.

I've formally raised it to my colleagues on the Supreme Court. http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10100635/1/

Lavan Tiri, Oelesa, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Unfallious wrote:I may be one of the most ardent critics of this current administration, but I cannot support the call for a Democratic Convention. In my personal view this Convention is pointless. The authority it derives itself from, the 'MRSM law carryover' is quite dubious as well. I cannot find any clear evidence that this document was actually voted on correctly. The forums hold no record of any such successful vote occurring bar a statement from the Speaker at the time saying that all would be voted on individually in a meeting. As far as I'm aware Discord sessions cannot vote on legislation, so how was this document actually passed? It would seem that, unless it was previously possible to vote in a Discord session (in which case I'd like to be pointed towards evidence of such a vote concerning this document taking place. See: audio recordings), we must conclude that the carryover document is illegitimate and all of its provisions null.

Additionally, a second problem I have with the convention is that it's simply not required. If the government is not carrying out the promises it made, is producing an unstable cabinet and making the general region less secure the only real and true course of action is a vote of no confidence on the forums. If what is said in this petition document is true and believed by the majority then this is the ultimate best course of action to take, and we shouldn't dwell on Discord-based conventions in which the few voice opinions and take actions on behalf of the many. Why should a group as small as 8 be the ones empowered to decide if this region is to undergo a vote of no confidence and those of us constricted by timezones and life responsibilities be removed from having our say? This so-called Democratic Convention is an obstacle for the execution of true democracy which can only be certifiably carried out on the medium to which the most have access to: the forums.

The signover occurred before we had a forums, actually, and before Discord was officially signed in, and instead acted as a meeting place to vote.

Actually, the vote itself would be carried out by regionwide telegram, and this was decided as the best choice to decide the future as the constitution lacks a method to VoC the President.

I don't believe it states that such must happenonly on Discord?

Flynnvakia wrote:I agree with you Unf. The thing I dislike about these Discord sessions is that one occurs during the school week when I have work to do. I also would like to say that in every administration I see the same face. The "he does a good job" is bull because you have not seen the work of other members. I also feel that members of the CoFN are all being forced to say Aye or Nay to a vote just to appease one or two people. I will probably make my own post about the CoFN in the near future as well.

Uhm, no?

I was with Tim last night, and aside from mentioning it to Al, Tse and Bax, no one was "forced" in any way to vote for this Convention.

Furthermore, unless we abolish the entire Democratic system, people will always be "forced" to vote for a number of choices, with people needing to vote with their beliefs and evidence.

Like, if Humph sat there doing nothing, and a VOC cropped up, people would have to face facts and vote -or completely ignore the democratic institutions- which seems to be the same thing unless I'm completely missing what you're saying.

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:The signover occurred before we had a forums, actually, and before Discord was officially signed in, and instead acted as a meeting place to vote.

Actually, the vote itself would be carried out by regionwide telegram, and this was decided as the best choice to decide the future as the constitution lacks a method to VoC the President.

The main point of contention here is that the Carryover is something included in our laws and as such must abide by the Constitution, even if it was passed before the Constitution was made. The Constitution is the fundamental pillar to which all law derives its authority, nothing can be under it or before it and no law exists before it. In that way the Constitution is retroactive and the Carryover is in direct violation of the provision given in Article I, Section III: Each bill, resolution, or amendment must be posted on offsite forums and there will be a mandatory seven day waiting period for each legislation.

Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths

Kalaron wrote:

I was with Tim last night, and aside from mentioning it to Al, Tse and Bax, no one was "forced" in any way to vote for this Convention.

To note, he mentioned it to them, not forced.

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:The main point of contention here is that the Carryover is something included in our laws and as such must abide by the Constitution, even if it was passed before the Constitution was made. The Constitution is the fundamental pillar to which all law derives its authority, nothing can be under it or before it and no law exists before it. In that way the Constitution is retroactive and the Carryover is in direct violation of the provision given in Article I, Section III: Each bill, resolution, or amendment must be posted on offsite forums and there will be a mandatory seven day waiting period for each legislation.

Does that include the Constitution? Because we voted on it in Discord.

Furthermore, I agree with some of that spirit, but not all of it.

I personally feel that, provided the law isn't in violation of the Constitution -which it isn't except by right of existing- then it should most certainly be allowed.

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Actually, the vote itself would be carried out by regionwide telegram, and this was decided as the best choice to decide the future as the constitution lacks a method to VoC the President.

Also, on a less technical note, it requires 8 people to go and meet in a Discord-exclusive meeting to actually attain a regionwide telegram vote. This makes the Democratic Convention, ironically, less Democratic than simply having a VoC that can take place on the forums. Though, the fact that this provision doesn't exist within the Constitution is extremely problematic itself.

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Does that include the Constitution? Because we voted on it in Discord.

Furthermore, I agree with some of that spirit, but not all of it.

I personally feel that, provided the law isn't in violation of the Constitution -which it isn't except by right of existing- then it should most certainly be allowed.

The law violates the Constitution simply by existing in law which is just as bad as having unconstitutional articles within it.

It's for the Supreme Court to decide, anyway.

Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths

Unfallious wrote:The law violates the Constitution simply by existing in law which is just as bad as having unconstitutional articles within it.

It's for the Supreme Court to decide, anyway.

Personally disagree, and I'm listing my opinion for consideration regardless as -in much the same way as Vista being removed from Cabinet back in Montaris, I feel something and think I should note it.

Unfallious wrote:Also, on a less technical note, it requires 8 people to go and meet in a Discord-exclusive meeting to actually attain a regionwide telegram vote. This makes the Democratic Convention, ironically, less Democratic than simply having a VoC that can take place on the forums. Though, the fact that this provision doesn't exist within the Constitution is extremely problematic itself.

Well yeah...is kinda why this was the best choice, while it requires eight people to attend, the arguments for and against could easily be recorded and given to everyone in the sent out Telegram, and we could talk more in the RMB and/or the Forums and we'd still be following the Constitution.

Lavan Tiri

In all fairness though the Discord is what makes the political process come alive for me. Actually having voice communication with people is a valuable part of the nationstates experience for me. And I mean me, by all means I see the problem here but without stating the obvious we need to ensure that that aspect isn't taken away.

Lavan Tiri, The United Providences Of Perland

Yukona wrote:In all fairness though the Discord is what makes the political process come alive for me. Actually having voice communication with people is a valuable part of the nationstates experience for me. And I mean me, by all means I see the problem here but without stating the obvious we need to ensure that that aspect isn't taken away.

I think people are advocating for both Discord and the forums to be used so there are live votes as well as delayed votes for everyone to use

Anyways

VIVE LE REVOLUTION!

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:I think people are advocating for both Discord and the forums to be used so there are live votes as well as delayed votes for everyone to use

Anyways

VIVE LE REVOLUTION!

Do we not have that anyway?

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:I think people are advocating for both Discord and the forums to be used so there are live votes as well as delayed votes for everyone to use

Anyways

VIVE LE REVOLUTION!

That's the current system in use as of the recently passed Equalisation bill. The problem that I and I believe many others are having is that when we need something to do something important that is in the interests of the whole region that thing should be able to occur either both on the forums and Discord or only on the forums. We should value participation over experience everytime.

Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths

Kalaron wrote:

Uhm, no?

I was with Tim last night, and aside from mentioning it to Al, Tse and Bax, no one was "forced" in any way to vote for this Convention.

Furthermore, unless we abolish the entire Democratic system, people will always be "forced" to vote for a number of choices, with people needing to vote with their beliefs and evidence.

Like, if Humph sat there doing nothing, and a VOC cropped up, people would have to face facts and vote -or completely ignore the democratic institutions- which seems to be the same thing unless I'm completely missing what you're saying.

I dont think you understand I mean in GENERAL terms

Lavan Tiri

Flynnvakia wrote:I dont think you understand I mean in GENERAL terms

Ok?

Explain?

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:The signover occurred before we had a forums, actually, and before Discord was officially signed in, and instead acted as a meeting place to vote.

Actually Kal, the forums were in existence. They were the first thing I did, the first thjng I held a vote on, as speaker here.

The carryover was delayed by two weeks or a month or so. The forums were certainly in existence at the time.

Also, I specifically remember making a forum post about the carryover before it took place.

Lavan Tiri, The United Providences Of Perland

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Actually Kal, the forums were in existence. They were the first thing I did, the first thjng I held a vote on, as speaker here.

The carryover was delayed by two weeks or a month or so. The forums were certainly in existence at the time.

Also, I specifically remember making a forum post about the carryover before it took place.

Actually it was one week. Here are my old agendas to prove it:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/172DHKw5aj7rhh-WGn1DHwi3I7B2lOOGjiihGr0CohSQ/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QevRYp0qRjNzpOoVFXfgHhXF_d9dp8evEQKosMqXSL0/edit?usp=sharing

The forums were certainly in existence, as Lat had them running before the vote on October 12th so I could look at them ahead of the meeting. You'll remember that I also published a brief summary of the two forum options and my recommendation for which one I felt we should have used.

Lavan Tiri

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Actually Kal, the forums were in existence. They were the first thing I did, the first thjng I held a vote on, as speaker here.

The carryover was delayed by two weeks or a month or so. The forums were certainly in existence at the time.

Also, I specifically remember making a forum post about the carryover before it took place.

Ah, alrighty.

It most certainly occurred before the constitution or Discord Recognition act though, yes?

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Ah, alrighty.

It most certainly occurred before the constitution or Discord Recognition act though, yes?

Not the constitution, I called it the Interim Legislature before the constitution was passed.

House of Delegates was the name given to it by the constitution.

I would imagine that the discord recognition act was in effect, although I'm not totally sure.

Lavan Tiri

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Not the constitution, I called it the Interim Legislature before the constitution was passed.

House of Delegates was the name given to it by the constitution.

I would imagine that the discord recognition act was in effect, although I'm not totally sure.

So the transfer occurred at least a week and a half after the constitution passed, if the first official Delegates meeting was 10/12 and the transfer was 10/19.

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:-snip-

I also oppose a convention, but for different reasons. We've had bad administrations before, and we've usually either voted them out, or had a Vote of No Confidence if things were really bad. I get people's grievances against President Lat, and I agree with them for the most part, but I'm not sure what makes Lat's administration so bad that it requires an unprecedented 'democratic convention', especially since elections are only a month away.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Jaslandia wrote:I also oppose a convention, but for different reasons. We've had bad administrations before, and we've usually either voted them out, or had a Vote of No Confidence if things were really bad. I get people's grievances against President Lat, and I agree with them for the most part, but I'm not sure what makes Lat's administration so bad that it requires an unprecedented 'democratic convention', especially since elections are only a month away.

Just gonna note, it's not "so bad" so much as, under the current laws, it happens to be the only way to do it.

If you check the Constitution, you'll note that it has no provision for a VoC against the President.

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Just gonna note, it's not "so bad" so much as, under the current laws, it happens to be the only way to do it.

If you check the Constitution, you'll note that it has no provision for a VoC against the President.

Also, it doesn't necessarily mean a VoC either, honestly, if people wanted it could just be to advise the current administration.

Lavan Tiri

To be honest,

I am in favour of this convention despite the fact that it has targetted me. It is the democratic approach that gets to me as some people feel that I have misjudged them. I bear full responsibility for the words that I have said and the overall progress I and my administration has made in this region.

I strongly encourage more nations to sign it as it will help our region grow stronger. :)

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Just gonna note, it's not "so bad" so much as, under the current laws, it happens to be the only way to do it.

If you check the Constitution, you'll note that it has no provision for a VoC against the President.

We didn't transfer over the VoC law from the MRSM? Well, the legality of the whole MRSM Law Transfer itself is now disputed, so it would be tricky either way. Still, just introduce a new VoC law or wait until elections. What's the rush?

Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Flynnvakia wrote:The thing I dislike about these Discord sessions is that one occurs during the school week when I have work to do.

Minor point, but this hasn't been the case since I became Speaker.

Lavan Tiri, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Jaslandia wrote:We didn't transfer over the VoC law from the MRSM? Well, the legality of the whole MRSM Law Transfer itself is now disputed, so it would be tricky either way. Still, just introduce a new VoC law or wait until elections. What's the rush?

I ain't the one that wrote it, so I can't speak for him, but I imagine that it would include the points Sul included in his post about it, and there might be other things?

I'm finishing a project right now, so I can't chat as much as I wish.

Lavan Tiri

A recent survey from the Vistonian Directorate for Health showed that a growing minority of the nation’s women are having difficulties producing enough breast milk for their infants. Now a leading breastfeeding advocate has suggested a co-operative scheme in which nursing mothers share surplus milk with other mothers who are having difficulties, for a small profit.

I can't believe they got the name of my ministries right!

Killdash, Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

If anyone else doesn't know what's going on Yukona has a real cosy federal government bunker under the rockies with drinks on the house

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

It's finally snowing in mass.

Never thought I'd be so glad to see it.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:It's finally snowing in mass.

Never thought I'd be so glad to see it.

I got snow too just not very much.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:It's finally snowing in mass.

Never thought I'd be so glad to see it.

We've got 3-4 inches in West Virginia.

Lavan Tiri

Hello people. Wish you all a nice day. :)

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Apple Tree Day

- Armed Forces Day (Iraq)

- Befana Day (Italy)

- Christmas (Armenian Apostolic Church)

- Christmas Eve (Russia, Ukraine)

- Epiphany or Three Kings' Day (Western Christianity)

- Little Christmas (Ireland)

- National Bean Day (United States)

- National Cuddle Up Day (United States)

- National Shortbread Day (United States)

- National Technology Day (United States)

- Pathet Lao Day (Laos)

- Þrettándinn (Iceland)

- Theophany (Eastern Christianity)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1017 – Cnut the Great is crowned King of England.

- 1066 – Harold Godwinson (or Harold II) is crowned King of England.

- 1205 – Philip of Swabia becomes King of the Romans.

- 1322 – Stephen Uroš III is crowned King of Serbia.

- 1355 – Charles I of Bohemia is crowned with the Iron Crown of Lombardy as King of Italy in Milan.

- 1449 – Constantine XI is crowned Byzantine Emperor at Mystras.

- 1492 – The Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella enter Granada, completing the Reconquista.

- 1540 – King Henry VIII of England marries Anne of Cleves.

- 1579 – The Union of Arras is signed.

- 1661 – English Restoration: The Fifth Monarchists unsuccessfully attempt to seize control of London, England.

- 1690 – Joseph, son of Emperor Leopold I, becomes King of the Romans.

- 1781 – In the Battle of Jersey, the British defeat the last attempt by France to invade Jersey.

- 1839 – The most damaging storm in 300 years sweeps across Ireland, damaging or destroying more than 20% of the houses in Dublin.

- 1853 – President-elect of the United States Franklin Pierce and his family are involved in a train wreck near Andover, Massachusetts. Pierce's 11-year-old son Benjamin is killed in the crash.

- 1870 – The inauguration of the Musikverein in Vienna, Austria.

- 1893 – The Washington National Cathedral is chartered by Congress. The charter is signed by President Benjamin Harrison.

- 1900 – Second Boer War: Having already besieged the fortress at Ladysmith, Boer forces attack it, but are driven back by British defenders.

- 1907 – Maria Montessori opens her first school and daycare center for working class children in Rome, Italy.

- 1912 – New Mexico is admitted to the Union as the 47th U.S. state.

- 1912 – German geophysicist Alfred Wegener first presents his theory of continental drift.

- 1921 – Formation of the Iraqi Army.

- 1929 – King Alexander of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes suspends his country's constitution (the January 6th Dictatorship).

- 1929 – Mother Teresa arrives in Calcutta, India, to begin her work among India's poorest and sick people.

- 1930 – The first diesel-engined automobile trip is completed, from Indianapolis, Indiana, to New York, New York.

- 1931 – Thomas Edison signs his last patent application.

- 1941 – United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt delivers his Four Freedoms speech in the State of the Union address.

- 1946 – The first general election ever in Vietnam is held.

- 1947 – Pan American Airlines becomes the first commercial airline to offer a round-the-world ticket.

- 1950 – The United Kingdom recognizes the People's Republic of China. The Republic of China severs diplomatic relations with the UK in response.

- 1960 – National Airlines Flight 2511 is destroyed in mid-air by a bomb, while en route from New York City to Miami.

- 1960 – The Associations Law comes into force in Iraq, allowing registration of political parties.

- 1967 – Vietnam War: United States Marine Corps and ARVN troops launch "Operation Deckhouse Five" in the Mekong River delta.

- 1974 – In response to the 1973 oil crisis, daylight saving time commences nearly four months early in the United States.

- 1978 – The Crown of St. Stephen (also known as the Holy Crown of Hungary) is returned to Hungary from the United States, where it was held after World War II.

- 1989 – Satwant Singh and alleged conspirator Kehar Singh were sentenced to death for conspiracy in the plot of the Prime Minister of India Indira Gandhi assassination, carried out by Satwant Singh and Beant Singh.

- 1992 – President of Georgia Zviad Gamsakhurdia flees the country as a result of the military coup.

- 993 – Indian Border Security Force units kill 55 Kashmiri civilians in Sopore, Jammu and Kashmir, in revenge after militants ambushed a BSF patrol.

- 1994 – Nancy Kerrigan is clubbed on the knee at the U.S. Figure Skating Championships in Detroit.

- 1995 – A chemical fire in an apartment complex in Manila, Philippines, leads to the discovery of plans for Project Bojinka, a mass-terrorist attack.

- 2000 – Celia, the last Pyrenean ibex, was found dead after a tree had landed on her.

- 2005 – American Civil Rights Movement: Edgar Ray Killen is arrested as a suspect in the 1964 murders of three civil rights workers.

- 2005 – A train collision in Graniteville, South Carolina, releases about 60 tons of chlorine gas.

- 2012 – Twenty-six people are killed and 63 wounded when a suicide bomber blows himself up at a police station in Damascus.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1412 – Joan of Arc, French martyr and saint

- 1745 – Jacques-Etienne Montgolfier, French co-inventor of the hot air balloon

- 1807 – Joseph Petzval, German-Hungarian mathematician and physicist

- 1811 – Charles Sumner, American lawyer and politician

- 1822 – Heinrich Schliemann, German archaeologist and businessman

- 1832 – Gustave Doré, French painter and sculptor

- 1862 – Dr.August Oetker, German inventor and businessman, founded Dr. Oetker

- 1883 – Kahlil Gibran, Lebanese-American poet, painter, and philosopher

- 1913 – Loretta Young, American actress

- 1920 – John Maynard Smith, English biologist and geneticist

- 1933 – Emil Steinberger, Swiss actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1938 – Adriano Celentano, Italian singer-songwriter, actor, and director

- 1944 – Rolf M. Zinkernagel, Swiss immunologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1946 – Syd Barrett, English singer-songwriter and guitarist

- 1954 – Yuji Horii, Japanese video game designer, created Dragon Quest

- 1954 – Anthony Minghella, English director and screenwriter

- 1955 – Rowan Atkinson, English actor, producer, and screenwriter

- 1964 – Henry Maske, German professional boxer

- 1967 – A. R. Rahman, Indian composer, singer-songwriter, music producer, musician and philanthropist

- 1976 – Judith Rakers, German journalist and TV presenter

- 1982 – Eddie Redmayne, English actor

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Quote of the day

The Sun, Moon and Stars are there to guide us.

- Dennis Banks -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Lavan Tiri, Tserra

A new article has come out in the Confederacy Tribune, read it now! https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=744091

Lavan Tiri

Post self-deleted by Andromitus.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:A new article has come out in the Confederacy Tribune, read it now! https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=744091

Y-you managed to have a peace conference in the 15 minutes it takes to hit any location on Earth with an ICBM?

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:Y-you managed to have a peace conference in the 15 minutes it takes to hit any location on Earth with an ICBM?

He survived thousands of ICBM's to the face?

Lavan Tiri

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:A new article has come out in the Confederacy Tribune, read it now! https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=744091

How often do you release those? I'd like to submit my own article

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:Y-you managed to have a peace conference in the 15 minutes it takes to hit any location on Earth with an ICBM?

Don't Peace Conferences last Weeks if not Months?

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Andromitus wrote:He survived thousands of ICBM's to the face?

ive suffered worse ya know.

Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:ive suffered worse ya know.

and btw, Solla Ultima, I expect full compensation for the $hit that happened

Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:ive suffered worse ya know.

worse than several THOUSAND nukes, mhm, yup

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:worse than several THOUSAND nukes, mhm, yup

in my original timeline the world blew up.

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:worse than several THOUSAND nukes, mhm, yup

Sorry dudes (especially you, Andy) for not being RP active. I have stuff to do. People to talk to. Cats to pet. Stuff like that. Will try tonight.

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:Y-you managed to have a peace conference in the 15 minutes it takes to hit any location on Earth with an ICBM?

yeeeep.

Lavan Tiri

Unfallious wrote:Y-you managed to have a peace conference in the 15 minutes it takes to hit any location on Earth with an ICBM?

"Well, I think we can all agree that that was a bad call."

"Yep."

"Shall we enjoy our fleeting moments of peace before my missiles devastate your nation?"

"Yep."

Jaslandia, Freewire

Lavan Tiri wrote:"Well, I think we can all agree that that was a bad call."

"Yep."

"Shall we enjoy our fleeting moments of peace before my missiles devastate your nation?"

"Yep."

still live and kickin ya know.

Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:still live and kickin ya know.

Kickin' through the ash of your immolated country.

The United Providences Of Perland, Solla Ultima

Lavan Tiri wrote:Kickin' through the ash of your immolated country.

heh, ive been through worse.

Lavan Tiri

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:heh, ive been through worse.

but seriously, I think your nation is just a pile of radioactive rubble right now, need some humanitarian aid?

Also, I've seen a lot of people joining the K.Civil War OOC, nice, after approval by Baxten feel free to start posting on the IC, it's already kinda started and now it actually, kinda, makes sense, kinda again.

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:but seriously, I think your nation is just a pile of radioactive rubble right now, need some humanitarian aid?

Also, I've seen a lot of people joining the K.Civil War OOC, nice, after approval by Baxten feel free to start posting on the IC, it's already kinda started and now it actually, kinda, makes sense, kinda again.

that would be nice, thanks, but cleaning crews are starting to rebuild, and we practically thrive on radiation.

Lavan Tiri

Flynnvakia wrote:Don't Peace Conferences last Weeks if not Months?

I imagine that the process might be a bit exasperated, if the politicians could swallow their pride.

Lavan Tiri

Hang on, two great questions.

Kalaron wrote:I imagine that the process might be a bit exasperated, if the politicians could swallow their pride.

I read the story, and take back my comment.

Better two questions though...

Sol thought that Bioweapons would work on the seperated and few survivors? And also...Perl's nukes are sturdy enough to be reusable after a launch and crash landing?

Lavan Tiri, Solla Ultima

Lavan Tiri wrote:"Well, I think we can all agree that that was a bad call."

"Yep."

"Shall we enjoy our fleeting moments of peace before my missiles devastate your nation?"

"Yep."

Oh no don't worry man he turned them off. Now you're just going to have huge extremely fast uncontrolled missiles flying around.

It's like fallout but all the world leaders are 12

Bearlong, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland, Solla Ultima

N

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:and btw, Solla Ultima, I expect full compensation for the $hit that happened

Nah, I like you nuclear wasteland its fun to play in (with nukes that is) . :)

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Congratulation, Mdogao for becoming Minister of Justice (10-3-1)!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Kalaron wrote:Hang on, two great questions.

I read the story, and take back my comment.

Better two questions though...

Sol thought that Bioweapons would work on the seperated and few survivors? And also...Perl's nukes are sturdy enough to be reusable after a launch and crash landing?

Dam* those are some nukes.

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Solla Ultima wrote:NNah, I like you nuclear wasteland its fun to play in (with nukes that is) . :)

*your

Lavan Tiri

Solla Ultima wrote:Dam* those are some nukes.

Well realistically most of them crash landed in the water crossing the water from my RP area to Solla's.

Lavan Tiri

Bearlong wrote:Congratulation, Mdogao for becoming Minister of Justice (10-3-1)!

Congrats, hope the holy protectorate will give you your powers soon [nation=short]Mdogao[/nation].

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Percyton, James The Red Engine

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10101458/1/#new

Lavan Tiri

Sorry to bring this up again,

But on the story application form, The United Providences Of Perland, can we just submit them whenever or is there a time to do so, cuz I have one at the ready :P

Lavan Tiri

Andromitus wrote:Sorry to bring this up again,

But on the story application form, The United Providences Of Perland, can we just submit them whenever or is there a time to do so, cuz I have one at the ready :P

Anytime.

Lavan Tiri, Andromitus

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10101458/1/#new

pls don't become old vista

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major

Bearlong wrote:Congratulation, Mdogao for becoming Minister of Justice (10-3-1)!

^^^

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Bearlong wrote:Congratulation, Mdogao for becoming Minister of Justice (10-3-1)!

From one Minister of Justice to another, congrats Mdogao! I'm sure you'll be a great MoJ!

Of course, if you wanted to be an excellent Minister of Justice, you could be painted red (or at least wear red clothing or have a red flag), but I must warn you it isn't easy being a splendid red.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

James The Red Engine wrote:From one Minister of Justice to another, congrats Mdogao! I'm sure you'll be a great MoJ!

Of course, if you wanted to be an excellent Minister of Justice, you could be painted red (or at least wear red clothing or have a red flag), but I must warn you it isn't easy being a splendid red.

I get the feeling Joe McCarthy would hate James. Such fanaticism to the color red could only come out of either extreme vanity, or card-carrying membership in the Communist Party.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, James The Red Engine

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