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Audiastan wrote:The PRA never declared war, we received hostile telegrams from The Vidnoye demanding Romania become an autonomous region or else they would just come in and take it.

That is a threat we can not take lightly, nor should the PRAs Allies. Because of this blatant threat we bolstered our defences at the Boarder.

Even if it's as true as you say it is, some of us are still a bit skeptic, mainly me. I would like to review the "hostile" telegrams that The Vidnoye sent to you. And if you have any telegrams to share, Vid, you are welcome to do so.

The Vidnoye

Man I wish I could figure out how to emmulate economics in our RPs. No autarky would exist in a real globalized society, but I don't know how to show that in our RPs.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia

Baxten wrote:Man I wish I could figure out how to emmulate economics in our RPs. No autarky would exist in a real globalized society, but I don't know how to show that in our RPs.

I've been trying to explain that to Lat in Discord

Yukona wrote:I've been trying to explain that to Lat in Discord

Well I can't get on Discord, but it didn't work for the Nazis or anyone else, so...

Also tell him that our world's resource locations are the exact same as the real world

Jaslandia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Even if it's as true as you say it is, some of us are still a bit skeptic, mainly me. I would like to review the "hostile" telegrams that The Vidnoye sent to you. And if you have any telegrams to share, Vid, you are welcome to do so.

ive been telegraming a lot so I dont have all of them but audiastan is more than welcome to share.

Its just tgs of me brining up potential plans and him replying.

Baxten wrote:Man I wish I could figure out how to emmulate economics in our RPs. No autarky would exist in a real globalized society, but I don't know how to show that in our RPs.

Is he trying to say he has complete Autarky? Because somehow I doubt that. However it is possible to be completely self-sufficient in many ways. Most states have a policy of Autarky in relation to food. Or as another example many states have a policy of Autarky in relations to their military. But complete 100 percent total Autarky...no...I dont see that happening. Someone else always has something you need. Be it LED's, computer monitors, TV's, or even something simple like iron or salt.

Penguania And Antarctica

The Vidnoye wrote:ive been telegraming a lot so I dont have all of them but audiastan is more than welcome to share.

Its just tgs of me brining up potential plans and him replying.

then send me what you have as well as sent telegrams that would be relevant.

Baxten wrote:Well I can't get on Discord, but it didn't work for the Nazis or anyone else, so...

Also tell him that our world's resource locations are the exact same as the real world

Well my point was that he is completely avoiding comparative advantage that comes through trade. In an essence, he's just doing himself a diservice. He said 'well it happened before' and pointed to 1970's Albania - known around the world as a self-reliant economic powerhouse. No. They never managed it, nor did anyone else, the benefits of trade are simply too high and extra cost you are putting on your government to subsidize industries that would otherwise not exist (for example lumber industries in northern Italy) would just increase debt along with the fact that the tariffs you are installing to cut yourself off from the world will simply increase costs for companies and subsequently consumers - therefore you have a huge level of cost-push inflation. It's just absolutely ludicrous in a modern tech game - the fact of the matter is that if anyone tried that now, they'd just get embargoes as a response - oh wow look. The WTO would rip the person a new asshole, and lonebehold we can see what has happened. Lat justified it by saying they sell more than they get in - that isn't self reliance, that's a trade surplus. China, China has a trade surplus and a positive balance of trade but it is not in autarky and still relies greatly on the rest of the world. I just don't get why he thinks its sensible, the whole reason why trading is beneficial is you can take the things you're sh*te at and get somebody else to do it, like oil extraction for Lat, and then in return sell something like olives and wine (that's just a basic example). The inflation and rising debt that would result could crush his nation from the inside out.

Jaslandia, Tserra

Tserra wrote:Is he trying to say he has complete Autarky? Because somehow I doubt that. However it is possible to be completely self-sufficient in many ways. Most states have a policy of Autarky in relation to food. Or as another example many states have a policy of Autarky in relations to their military. But complete 100 percent total Autarky...no...I dont see that happening. Someone else always has something you need. Be it LED's, computer monitors, TV's, or even something simple like iron or salt.

What I've gotten so far is that he has total autarky, but that may be wrong.

Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Tserra wrote:Is he trying to say he has complete Autarky? Because somehow I doubt that. However it is possible to be completely self-sufficient in many ways. Most states have a policy of Autarky in relation to food. Or as another example many states have a policy of Autarky in relations to their military. But complete 100 percent total Autarky...no...I dont see that happening. Someone else always has something you need. Be it LED's, computer monitors, TV's, or even something simple like iron or salt.

It's complete autarky.

Like I said, four year olds screaming they have magic ice powers, man.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Is he trying to say he has complete Autarky? Because somehow I doubt that. However it is possible to be completely self-sufficient in many ways. Most states have a policy of Autarky in relation to food. Or as another example many states have a policy of Autarky in relations to their military. But complete 100 percent total Autarky...no...I dont see that happening. Someone else always has something you need. Be it LED's, computer monitors, TV's, or even something simple like iron or salt.

That's not autarky, autarky covers everything - you can't have it one area. Simply being able to make TVs better than anyone else gives you a comparative advantage. More ironically, if he - for example - did say he was great at making olives or TVs, that comparative advantage is what you trade and therefore get something you need and can't make as well - so for Italy, maybe spices and airplanes? So all in all, if he said he was good at producing something it just furthers the case for trade - hence why everyone in the modern world trades and hence why his policy is stupid. Besides, in regards to food, stuff like the CAP in the EU rely on huge subsidies that create a false industry just to protect farmers. If these barriers were removed they would lose their jobs but food prices would drop significantly - a perfect example of what his protectionism across all industries is doing to prices in his country.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote: trade surplus.

Doesn't that mean his nation would be even more harmed?

Like, "We sell more than we buy" falls when most nations embargo you.

Yukona wrote:so for Italy, maybe spices and airplanes?

That being the stuff they would buy in return for olives and TVs, if that wasn't clear

Yukona wrote:That's not autarky, autarky covers everything - you can't have it one area. Simply being able to make TVs better than anyone else gives you a comparative advantage. More ironically, if he - for example - did say he was great at making olives or TVs, that comparative advantage is what you trade and therefore get something you need and can't make as well - so for Italy, maybe spices and airplanes? So all in all, if he said he was good at producing something it just furthers the case for trade - hence why everyone in the modern world trades and hence why his policy is stupid. Besides, in regards to food, stuff like the CAP in the EU rely on huge subsidies that create a false industry just to protect farmers. If these barriers were removed they would lose their jobs but food prices would drop significantly - a perfect example of what his protectionism across all industries is doing to prices in his country.

Brain.exe has stopped working; please download comprehension software to resume normal functions.

Aghrabia

Kalaron wrote:Doesn't that mean his nation would be even more harmed?

Like, "We sell more than we buy" falls when most nations embargo you.

Yes, it means his country is more reliant on international market prices than any other nation, especially if he sells everything and buys nothing. It essentially means his entire economy bends knee to fluctuations in international prices. A stock market crash in his biggest buyers countries like the 2008 financial crisis would bring him to his knees like it would China x 5000

Jaslandia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Brain.exe has stopped working; please download comprehension software to resume normal functions.

If you don't understand anything, just ask, I'm happy to explain it more clearly in laymans terms my friend

Yukona wrote:If you don't understand anything, just ask, I'm happy to explain it more clearly in laymans terms my friend

Please do so. My body's CPU is currently down for maintenance.

Kalaron wrote:It's complete autarky.

Like I said, four year olds screaming they have magic ice powers, man.

Yeah see I could give him a food Autarky, and a military Autarky, depending.

But not a total complete Autarky. It would require you to have the capability, resources, and infrastructure to make...well...everything. Which if you really stop, and think about the implications of that, the everything bit...well everything is a lot of things. His nation by necessity would have to be an industrial wasteland.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Brain.exe has stopped working; please download comprehension software to resume normal functions.

Essentially autarky is total self-sufficiency, which is unrealistic at best. Because of that, protectionism will hurt your nation in many ways, even in ways you won't expect

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Please do so. My body's CPU is currently down for maintenance.

What bit do you need explaining specifically, autarky as a whole or the effects it has?

Baxten wrote:Essentially autarky is total self-sufficiency, which is unrealistic at best. Because of that, protectionism will hurt your nation in many ways, even in ways you won't expect

No entiendo tu lógica compleja

Yukona wrote:What bit do you need explaining specifically, autarky as a whole or the effects it has?

both.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:No entiendo tu lógica compleja

Autarky = self-sufficiency = no need of help

Autarky is unrealistic

If you think you have a policy of autarky, and you use protectionism because of it, your national economy will go crashing down.

Tserra wrote:Yeah see I could give him a food Autarky, and a military Autarky, depending.

But not a total complete Autarky. It would require you to have the capability, resources, and infrastructure to make...well...everything. Which if you really stop, and think about the implications of that, the everything bit...well everything is a lot of things. His nation by necessity would have to be an industrial wasteland.

I mean, he's before stated that his nation can have anything it wants, though.

Like, same case with his "landing on mars", it's the battle between YSL and sensibility.

His exact words being..."we don't have to be bound in reality"

Lavan Tiri

Baxten wrote:Autarky = self-sufficiency = no need of help

Autarky is unrealistic

If you think you have a policy of autarky, and you use protectionism because of it, your national economy will go crashing down.

I get what it is, I'm just confused as all hell.

Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:That's not autarky, autarky covers everything - you can't have it one area. Simply being able to make TVs better than anyone else gives you a comparative advantage. More ironically, if he - for example - did say he was great at making olives or TVs, that comparative advantage is what you trade and therefore get something you need and can't make as well - so for Italy, maybe spices and airplanes? So all in all, if he said he was good at producing something it just furthers the case for trade - hence why everyone in the modern world trades and hence why his policy is stupid. Besides, in regards to food, stuff like the CAP in the EU rely on huge subsidies that create a false industry just to protect farmers. If these barriers were removed they would lose their jobs but food prices would drop significantly - a perfect example of what his protectionism across all industries is doing to prices in his country.

Between us this is a matter of semantics. Autarky can literally cover one area. For example, if all food trade were to suddenly be stopped with the United States, no one would starve, well some would, but then we are getting into social issues, which are not relevant. Which is why I asked if it was total or complete autarky. You literally can have food autarky for example. You can literally do it. Its not something I am willing to argue over if you wish to pursue it further, I just wanted to throw that out there.

Lavan Tiri

Tserra wrote:Between us this is a matter of semantics. Autarky can literally cover one area. For example, if all food trade were to suddenly be stopped with the United States, no one would starve, well some would, but then we are getting into social issues, which are not relevant. Which is why I asked if it was total or complete autarky. You literally can have food autarky for example. You can literally do it. Its not something I am willing to argue over if you wish to pursue it further, I just wanted to throw that out there.

This is a etymological debate right here, so let me check the definition of autarky

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Yukona

Baxten wrote:This is a etymological debate right here, so let me check the definition of autarky

Its wikipedia but, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky

Lavan Tiri, Yukona

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:both.

OK, so first - what is autarky. Autarky is usually pursued by fascist and sometimes socialist/communist governments as it means you're literally completely self-reliant. You don't trade with no-one, you don't rely on anyone else, you produce everything. If your nation ruled the entire globe, I guess you could be considered an autarky, comprehende? The whole reason these systems like it is because you're not reliant on international markets, those markets being trade of goods, and it - falsely - makes you more independent. So Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy love it because it means you can just do what you want and ignore everyone and anyone as much as you like, whereas in the real world you might need to pay attention to your neighbors because they have goods and services you want/need. No country has ever enacted full autarky, it's always been something to aspire to - never actually achieved. It's because it's impossible, and has huge problems:

Why do people even trade? Well, look at this here. You need economics knowledge - I'm alright at economics and I give you the knowledge and in return you learn, that's trade in itself. The fact that I'm better at economics (I don't mean that as an insult, just to suit the example) gives me what's called a comparative advantage. Now it's not exactly a definition but all in all a comparative advantage means you can produce something more efficiently. For example, Italy can produce olives really well - they've done it for years, they have the right climate, they have excellent infrastructure for it, etc. Saudi Arabia can produce oil well (not olive oil :^)) and they're well suited to it. If Italy tried to produce oil, they A) wouldn't have enough and B) would have to build rigs, get all the vehicles, get people educated for it, etc. That's just not feasible, so they trade, right? That means both the countries benefit, Italy doesn't have to put effort into getting that oil, they get it cheaply from Saudi, and Saudi can get olives cheaply from Italy - it's a win win.

Now the reason autarky causes problems is because it's a form of protectionism - which is just protecting your economy from the outside. It involves huge tariffs and probably actual blockages on goods and services coming in, so basically nothing is coming in, so no oil from Saudi. That means you're going to have to invest huge money in your Italian oil industry, even though that's not what you should specialise in. It'll be inefficient, cost loads, and could cost you so much less if you just brought it in from abroad. See what I mean? In addition to this, because your Italian oil company is so bad at what it does, it costs more and so on. Well who else uses oil? Errr, your whole country! That means businesses and people will see huge increased operating costs and petrol costs (the latter for consumers), therefore you get price increases everywhere because it's so much more expensive to do things. This isn't just limited to petrol, everything you could buy from abroad that you're now funding through the government to be self-reliant will become more expensive than if you brought it cheap from wherever it is best made. Therefore you get all these price rises - this is called inflation, specifically, cost-push, because it comes costs to businesses and people - not from demand (which is another story). Inflation has terrible effects, especially on this scale! Falling income, uncertainty in businesses, huge inequality, huge cost in borrowing (borrowing and loaning money is important because it makes it easy to buy houses and launch large business things!!), wage-price spiral (too complicated to explain but incredibly bad, it essentially means wages increase yet because of that prices get even higher so inflation just starts ticking along then goes WOOOOSH and gets incredibly big (hyperinflation)) and so much, much more. Essentially, this will force him to reopen, if he were to pursue autarky, as it just isn't sustainable.

Does that explain it all, any further questions just ask.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Yukona wrote:snippety snip amigo

And all that spending to make sure you can produce stuff inside your country is what makes the debt go up, 'cus you're spending soooo much money, The Cross And Davids Star

Toot toot

Jaslandia, Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Continental Commonwealths, Minnesota Dakota, Yukona

Yukona wrote:And all that spending to make sure you can produce stuff inside your country is what makes the debt go up, 'cus you're spending soooo much money, The Cross And Davids Star

It's actually humorous, because Lat says that his country in RP isn't lead by him.

The whole of his parliament plus Supreme Court doesn't understand how their supposed economic policy works and it's funny.

Kalaron wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/thesirmida/status/852251086333366273

Well howdyhoe neighborrino buddy chum pal friend buddy pal chum bud friend fella bruther amigo pal buddy friend chummy chum chum pal i don't mean to be rude my friend pal home slice bread slice dawg but i gotta warn ya if u take one more diddly darn step right there im going to have to diddly darn snap ur neck and wowza wouldn't that be a crummy juncture, huh? do yuo want that? do wish upon yourself to come into physical experience with a crummy juncture? because friend buddy chum friend chum pally pal chum friend if you keep this up well gosh diddly darn i just might have to get not so friendly with u my friendly friend friend pal friend buddy chum pally friend chum buddy

But seriously, sending spy planes to Kalaron is a violation of it's national sovereignty and any plane shot down will have it's schematics uploaded for everyone to see.

And before you say that it's a war-like threat, it's happening over Kalaron, so it's an internal issue.

Im not you buddy, guy

Im not your guy, buddy

Now wait just a diddly darn didorino neighbor, I think by God almaighty we might a have a shippity shloppity argument over this

Aghrabia wrote:This sounds awfully familiar...

Didn't it end with your leader crashing into your capital city with a f*cking space station to end it?

That sounds fµcking amazing XD I mean, that's gotta be the best way to middle finger your way out of a conflict

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:both.

North Korea is an autarky; look how they are, its so great and effective that their STILL IN THE SOVIET ERA TECHNOLOGY WISE, I don't even think they know or understand the concept of 2D printer let alone a 3d one.

[nation=short]latrovia[/nation], You also cant have been an autarky, it is actually logically impossible given the circumstances of your actions? Like your relations with me totally blow it over? If you were truly an autarky, you never would have connected with me? I opened server hubs in your nation, the minute we allied we've been connected digitally for practically ever, we have a totally new kind of digital relationship that just got closed down, for example, the open sourcing of Andreallic technologies? You don't think THATS anti autarkic? The heart of this new relationship too is finicky, the Sol currency that was released in your nation to more easily trade with mine, it was a digital blockchain.

It has been growing exponentially because that's what blockchain DOES, why do you think I released it to Latrovia? Exponential wealth the more nations join it, and the minute I closed it down, TECHNICALLY you economy would have taken at least a semblance of a hit because over the course of the how many years we've been allied your nation would have continued to grow into it, mold it, shape it etc etc. Yea my economy did take a hit, but I'm still relatively fine considering I'm still using most of the ITF nations as a buffer from economic extinction, it's bad (really bad) for me yea, but as an "autarky" you literally would have been driven into the ground.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Toot toot

Noot noot! Hiya Pengy!

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Ah, good. I was hoping all 47 of those RMB posts would be about how one person is being unrealistic in an RP

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Baxten, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Andromitus wrote:That sounds fµcking amazing XD I mean, that's gotta be the best way to middle finger your way out of a conflict

The thing is that this was his own RP- he made it. Sure there were other nations involved (particularly with invasions by robots and such) but in the end it was completely self-contained. Functionally, it really just moved his nation into another Era, RP-wise- but not his current form.

Magnatronia

Aghrabia wrote:Functionally, it really just moved his nation into another Era, RP-wise- but not his current form.

I BECAME THE WASTELAND

Aghrabia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Ah, good. I was hoping all 47 of those RMB posts would be about how one person is being unrealistic in an RP

I mean, when it harms the RP yeah people dislike it.

When they attempt to defend it by grabbing straws...well it gets worse.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, when it harms the RP yeah people dislike it.

When they attempt to defend it by grabbing straws...well it gets worse.

To be fair, I actually do have magical ice powers.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

My first RP ever, was a large meeting in Brazil to fix an International Conflict.

Once the delagates were inside my soldiers opened fire to, of course, rid the world of the bad guys.

Anyway some guy said this whole weird thing about invisible soldiers and somehow killed my President and destroyed my Capital and everyone I tried to have killed, survived.

I didnt object bc i didnt want to be one of those people but yea, RP is hard when no pne wans to lose.

Jaslandia

The Vidnoye wrote:My first RP ever, was a large meeting in Brazil to fix an International Conflict.

Once the delagates were inside my soldiers opened fire to, of course, rid the world of the bad guys.

I am so glad I don't have leaders that went to your economic conference XD

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:To be fair, I actually do have magical ice powers.

Nah, that's Peng my dude

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Nah, that's Peng my dude

CC has magical bird powers, no?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

English speaking people I need your help.

What is the difference between gallantry and valour?

Jaslandia, Freewire

The Vidnoye wrote:My first RP ever, was a large meeting in Brazil to fix an International Conflict.

Once the delagates were inside my soldiers opened fire to, of course, rid the world of the bad guys.

Anyway some guy said this whole weird thing about invisible soldiers and somehow killed my President and destroyed my Capital and everyone I tried to have killed, survived.

I didnt object bc i didnt want to be one of those people but yea, RP is hard when no pne wans to lose.

Part of an RP is that it's supposed to be fun for those involved, to which there is multiple. It isn't fun when one person makes their nation and/or character(s) a mary sue that can do whatever whenever.

If you want to write something where you're the center of everything and everything goes the way you plan, write a book. Don't RP, because RPing is for multiple people to interact and make a story together, not one guy to do whatever they want.

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Kalaron

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:English speaking people I need your help.

What is the difference between gallantry and valour?

Both hold almost the same meaning, however they are used in different forms, I guess you could say. You wouldn't say he is "gallant" or has "gallantry", you would say he has valour. You wouldn't say that action was "valour" you would say it was gallant.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:CC has magical bird powers, no?

Terrifying prospect. What's your super power? Oh, I can transform into a six foot tall red bird.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Terrifying prospect. What's your super power? Oh, I can transform into a six foot tall red bird.

Before anyone calls it, I call group-mind telepathy &or Borg-esque Overmind control

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

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- 1946 – Al Green, American singer-songwriter, producer, and pastor

- 1949 – Christopher Hitchens, English-American essayist, literary critic, and journalist

- 1951 – Joachim Streich, German footballer and manager

- 1960 – Rudi Völler, German footballer and manager

- 1963 – Garry Kasparov, Russian chess player and author

- 1975 – Lou Bega, German singer-songwriter

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Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Continental Commonwealths, Tserra, Minnesota Dakota

Andromitus wrote:Before anyone calls it, I call group-mind telepathy &or Borg-esque Overmind control

Honestly, I feel like I could have guessed that would be your super power of choice. Like, if we were discussing this in person, we would have finished your sentence in perfect, word-for-word unison like some gregorian chant.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Honestly, I feel like I could have guessed that would be your super power of choice. Like, if we were discussing this in person, we would have finished your sentence in perfect, word-for-word unison like some gregorian chant.

Resistance is futile

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Post self-deleted by Penguania And Antarctica.

Andromitus wrote:Resistance is futile

Except when you use a holographic Tommy gun. :P

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Except when you use a holographic Tommy gun. :P

Or a mirv fatman.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Audiastan wrote:The PRA never declared war, we received hostile telegrams from The Vidnoye demanding Romania become an autonomous region or else they would just come in and take it.

That is a threat we can not take lightly, nor should the PRAs Allies. Because of this blatant threat we bolstered our defences at the Boarder.

After reviewing the telegrams, I can safely declare that The Vidnoye is guilty of sending the threats that Audiastan described, and then some, and can say that Audiastan had every right to bolster his defenses and prepare to defend himself.

A fair and final warning to you Vid, in the event that you attack Audiastan, The Cross and Davids Star will do everything in its power to not only defend Audiastan, but ensure that you will be the one conquered.

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:After reviewing the telegrams, I can safely declare that The Vidnoye is guilty of sending the threats that Audiastan described, and then some, and can say that Audiastan had every right to bolster his defenses and prepare to defend himself.

A fair and final warning to you Vid, in the event that you attack Audiastan, The Cross and Davids Star will do everything in its power to not only defend Audiastan, but ensure that you will be the one conquered.

Please make the report public and state your reasoning.

If you dont mind?

The Vidnoye wrote:Please make the report public and state your reasoning.

If you dont mind?

What do you mean by public? i already posted it on the RMB.

The Vidnoye wrote:Please make the report public and state your reasoning.

If you dont mind?

and my reasoning is mainly this: http://imgur.com/ZCsmeYq

In it you implied that Audiastan can give you his territory peacefully, or it can be taken by force, which judging by the fact that you are twice as large as him population wise, you are fully capable of doing.

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:and my reasoning is mainly this: http://imgur.com/ZCsmeYq

In it you implied that Audiastan can give you his territory peacefully, or it can be taken by force, which judging by the fact that you are twice as large as him population wise, you are fully capable of doing.

Keep in mind this is part of an ongoing conversation, which youre leaving out.

I can start a war unless he agrees to one, I was giving him scenarios and that was my last offer of a war scenario that we could do. If he said just straight up no and didnt bring it up again, I would have looked elsewhere. Rather he mobilized troops so I dont know what youre getting at?

The Vidnoye wrote:Keep in mind this is part of an ongoing conversation, which youre leaving out.

I can start a war unless he agrees to one, I was giving him scenarios and that was my last offer of a war scenario that we could do. If he said just straight up no and didnt bring it up again, I would have looked elsewhere. Rather he mobilized troops so I dont know what youre getting at?

Mobilizing troops means nothing at this point, as he was preparing to DEFEND himself as a precautionary measure. He would not do this for no reason unless something was threatening him, namely, you.

Audiastan

The Vidnoye wrote:Keep in mind this is part of an ongoing conversation, which youre leaving out.

I can start a war unless he agrees to one, I was giving him scenarios and that was my last offer of a war scenario that we could do. If he said just straight up no and didnt bring it up again, I would have looked elsewhere. Rather he mobilized troops so I dont know what youre getting at?

And don't try to pull the "he was preparing to attack me!" sh!t, as anyone with enough common sense would know that doing that will guarantee a loss for him.

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Mobilizing troops means nothing at this point, as he was preparing to DEFEND himself as a precautionary measure. He would not do this for no reason unless something was threatening him, namely, you.

Defend from what?

I couldnt do anything if he didnt say yes to it!

He said no but then he mobilized so what am I supposed to do?

The Vidnoye wrote:Defend from what?

I couldnt do anything if he didnt say yes to it!

He said no but then he mobilized so what am I supposed to do?

Then don't react. if he attacks you even though he said no to it, you can use that to say to make it so it never happened.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:And don't try to pull the "he was preparing to attack me!" sh!t, as anyone with enough common sense would know that doing that will guarantee a loss for him.

Dude calm down, jesus

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:and my reasoning is mainly this: http://imgur.com/ZCsmeYq

In it you implied that Audiastan can give you his territory peacefully, or it can be taken by force, which judging by the fact that you are twice as large as him population wise, you are fully capable of doing.

I'm not certain I agree.

If Vid were trying to convince Aud to be under his control (a proto-alliance like what Lat tried to do, just without massive "20 Aircraft Carriers!" numbers) then it makes sense to frame it as there being a grand plan that he can help fulfill for both of them.

Indeed, seemingly the only way to describe it is as a commonwealth, seeing as they'd still be autonomous.

Perhaps other telegrams gave you the impression, but it just seems to me that Vid tried to build a commonwealth and spent a minute more than needed barking up the wrong tree.

The Vidnoye

Kalaron wrote:I'm not certain I agree.

If Vid were trying to convince Aud to be under his control (a proto-alliance like what Lat tried to do, just without massive "20 Aircraft Carriers!" numbers) then it makes sense to frame it as there being a grand plan that he can help fulfill for both of them.

Indeed, seemingly the only way to describe it is as a commonwealth, seeing as they'd still be autonomous.

Perhaps other telegrams gave you the impression, but it just seems to me that Vid tried to build a commonwealth and spent a minute more than needed barking up the wrong tree.

http://imgur.com/a3YCffG

http://imgur.com/8iKLemP

http://imgur.com/xMZEcnZ

http://imgur.com/ZCsmeYq

http://imgur.com/so4855i

http://imgur.com/G2t2UJ8

http://imgur.com/6MV1f59

http://imgur.com/nmhUi3e

These are all of Vid's telegrams that were sent to me, feel free to review them.

Magnatronia wrote:Dude calm down, jesus

You haven't seen my actual rage unless this keeps up.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:You haven't seen my actual rage unless this keeps up.

edgy

Jaslandia, Unfallious, Baxten, Aghrabia, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:http://imgur.com/a3YCffG

http://imgur.com/8iKLemP

http://imgur.com/xMZEcnZ

http://imgur.com/ZCsmeYq

http://imgur.com/so4855i

http://imgur.com/G2t2UJ8

http://imgur.com/6MV1f59

http://imgur.com/nmhUi3e

These are all of Vid's telegrams that were sent to me, feel free to review them.

Hmm...

While I can certainly see the vibe you're getting on this "Implication", I feel like Vid just forgot to mention that all four choices were entirely optional (He mentioned it here on the RMB and is a generally OK person from what I've seen) and could conceivably just assumed that it was common knowledge that RPs are mutually accepted and started, and that's ignoring the fact that Vid has literally seen the result from an embargo on a nation. I find it strange to think that he would have assumed the ITF/USCS wouldn't involve themselves.

That said: Vid, you really shouldn't have led off with two options resulting in harm to a nation. It seriously does you no favours and seems to have caused a commotion.

Look, the Conversation starts and OOC and stays that way.

I cannot, by the rules of the region, attack him without his consent.

Also I made it clear that all options were just options and not demands.

He could have said no to all of them and stayed isolated from war RP but he moved armed men and equiptment to the border, so where am I wrong?

The Vidnoye wrote:Look, the Conversation starts and OOC and stays that way.

I cannot, by the rules of the region, attack him without his consent.

Also I made it clear that all options were just options and not demands.

He could have said no to all of them and stayed isolated from war RP but he moved armed men and equiptment to the border, so where am I wrong?

Frankly?

In not mentioning that it was entirely optional to even take part in any of it.

As you didnt make it expressly clear, TCADS and Aud both got the feeling of a threat rather than a "We could do...", you know?

Kalaron wrote:Hmm...

While I can certainly see the vibe you're getting on this "Implication", I feel like Vid just forgot to mention that all four choices were entirely optional (He mentioned it here on the RMB and is a generally OK person from what I've seen) and could conceivably just assumed that it was common knowledge that RPs are mutually accepted and started, and that's ignoring the fact that Vid has literally seen the result from an embargo on a nation. I find it strange to think that he would have assumed the ITF/USCS wouldn't involve themselves.

That said: Vid, you really shouldn't have led off with two options resulting in harm to a nation. It seriously does you no favours and seems to have caused a commotion.

He did make that clear and i did see that the telegram with those choices were marked as OOC, but he didn't use that for the telegram Aud spoke about, which was immediately brought to my concern.

Regardless of the telegrams I accept whatever views you have and will nonlonger argue my actions.

My RP post stands, I feel like I did what made sense. If not Romania and I can talk it out.

The Vidnoye wrote:Regardless of the telegrams I accept whatever views you have and will nonlonger argue my actions.

My RP post stands, I feel like I did what made sense. If not Romania and I can talk it out.

You mean Audiastan, right?

The Vidnoye

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:You mean Audiastan, right?

Correct

Alrighty, apparently Vid wants to go to war with me! Is there anyone who wants to moderate?

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Alrighty, apparently Vid wants to go to war with me! Is there anyone who wants to moderate?

???

I mean, like I said last night, I volunteer my services, but

???

Kalaron wrote:???

I mean, like I said last night, I volunteer my services, but

???

IDK either, but apparently he's wanting to fight, and I've been itching for a little landgrabbin'.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:After reviewing the telegrams, I can safely declare that The Vidnoye is guilty of sending the threats that Audiastan described, and then some, and can say that Audiastan had every right to bolster his defenses and prepare to defend himself.

A fair and final warning to you Vid, in the event that you attack Audiastan, The Cross and Davids Star will do everything in its power to not only defend Audiastan, but ensure that you will be the one conquered.

I would like to thank the Member Nation The Cross And Davids Star for their support. It is highly appreciated!

Audiastan wrote:I would like to thank the Member Nation The Cross And Davids Star for their support. It is highly appreciated!

You are very much welcome Aud.

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:You are very much welcome Aud.

Though I would suggest joining as a commonwealth of the UK, as so this won't happen as easily again.

Audiastan

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:IDK either, but apparently he's wanting to fight, and I've been itching for a little landgrabbin'.

I guess that, if you both agree to it, I wouldn't be super against modding it, though I'm going to be frank and state that only MT will be allowed if I become the mod.

Magnatronia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Though I would suggest joining as a commonwealth of the UK, as so this won't happen as easily again.

I am intrigued! We can discuss this Via Telegrams or Discord.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Though I would suggest joining as a commonwealth of the UK, as so this won't happen as easily again.

Or the ITF?

Dude, joining the ITF means you get to continue being a fully soverign nation and get free protection.

We take care of our people too *looks at Lat's trade Embargo*

Note: Davids Star I cant war with you but if war with Romania breaks out you should join their side.

Kalaron wrote:I guess that, if you both agree to it, I wouldn't be super against modding it, though I'm going to be frank and state that only MT will be allowed if I become the mod.

Understood.

Kalaron wrote:Or the ITF?

Dude, joining the ITF means you get to continue being a fully soverign nation and get free protection.

We take care of our people too *looks at Lat's trade Embargo*

Though the ITF requires a unanimous vote to send in ivitation, for the uk, all you need to do is ask!

Audiastan wrote:I am intrigued! We can discuss this Via Telegrams or Discord.

Lets do it on discord.

Audiastan wrote:I am intrigued! We can discuss this Via Telegrams or Discord.

Ive scared Romania from being my puppet to being the UK's puppet xD

At least were going to make the conflict more interesting!

Magnatronia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Though the ITF requires a unanimous vote to send in ivitation, for the uk, all you need to do is ask!

Yeah, because Lat wants to justify LolMilitaries and make himself a world power.

We're democratic, yeah.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Magnatronia

The Vidnoye wrote:Ive scared Romania from being my puppet to being the UK's puppet xD

At least were going to make the conflict more interesting!

Yep. Good luck tho.

Kalaron wrote:Yeah, because Lat wants to justify LolMilitaries and make himself a world power.

We're democratic, yeah.

80 aircraft carriers defended by 2 million soldiers in Iron Man suits

Aghrabia, Andromitus, Oelesa

Magnatronia wrote:80 aircraft carriers defended by 2 million soldiers in Iron Man suits

Stop

You pain me

What's next? Someone is gonna point out how that breaks RP and you'll say "Actually it's none of your business" :P

Aghrabia, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Stop

You pain me

What's next? Someone is gonna point out how that breaks RP and you'll say "Actually it's none of your business" :P

Whaaaaat since when have I done that? Nah dude, I'd flip out over that. Back in the ESU we had one nation, she was super cringey and honestly kind of an asshole, who sent over exactly 1 million soldiers to my country.

Aghrabia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Though the ITF requires a unanimous vote to send in ivitation, for the uk, all you need to do is ask!

No it doesnt. I read over the treaty; that wasn't really real.

Kalaron, Tserra, Yukona

Magnatronia wrote:Whaaaaat since when have I done that? Nah dude, I'd flip out over that. Back in the ESU we had one nation, she was super cringey and honestly kind of an asshole, who sent over exactly 1 million soldiers to my country.

Mate, don't sweat it, was a joke about Lat doing the exact mentioned thing after I informed everyone about how massive and unrealistic his navy was.

I went on Discord, saw he had ten and asked what type they were, his response was that it was none of my business, my dude. And trust me, I very nearly did.

Sorry to hear about that one nation, how much over?

Aghrabia, Yukona

Baxten wrote:No it doesnt. I read over the treaty; that wasn't really real.

That's cause you edited it less than 15 minutes ago!

Kalaron wrote:Mate, don't sweat it, was a joke about Lat doing the exact mentioned thing after I informed everyone about how massive and unrealistic his navy was.

I went on Discord, saw he had ten and asked what type they were, his response was that it was none of my business, my dude. And trust me, I very nearly did.

Sorry to hear about that one nation, how much over?

Oh no, they sent the soldiers over to my nation. They sent *exactly* 1 million soldiers. Which is ludicrous.

Aghrabia

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