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Nuremgard wrote:What is the ROC?

Right of centre

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Right of centre

Ah. That's what the world needs. Another right of centre party.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Ah. That's what the world needs. Another right of centre party.

Well, if it gains traction it’ll pretty much ensure the Liberals are re-elected.

So, in this case and from your perspective, more is actually better!

Penguania And Antarctica

Good day everyone. Hope it's a wonderful for you all. :D

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Glad Scotland is providing students with free sanitary products, hopefully the rest of the UK follows suit.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Yukona wrote:Glad Scotland is providing students with free sanitary products, hopefully the rest of the UK follows suit.

Yeah, its been a great initiative. Period poverty is a really understated issue and I hope other folk do the right thing and get this to be the standard.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona

Good God. It’s downright entertaining, but I do not envy the Aussie’s political mess.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Anglia Imperium

Yukona wrote:Glad Scotland is providing students with free sanitary products, hopefully the rest of the UK follows suit.

Is it the whole country? I thought it was only one council area.

Lex Caledonia wrote:Yeah, its been a great initiative. Period poverty is a really understated issue and I hope other folk do the right thing and get this to be the standard.

I've thought for a while now that sanitary products should be made free. If they can give men free condoms, they can certainly give women free tampons. If they wont make them free, then remove their luxury item status. That is the most ludicrous thing. A tampon is not a luxury item, it's a basic necessity for half the population.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good God. It’s downright entertaining, but I do not envy the Aussie’s political mess.

What is it that's happening over there? I heard the ruling party wants to oust its PM but why?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Good day everyone. Hope it's a wonderful for you all. :D

I hope you have a wonderful day too, Peng.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

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Nuremgard wrote:Is it the whole country? I thought it was only one council area.

I've thought for a while now that sanitary products should be made free. If they can give men free condoms, they can certainly give women free tampons. If they wont make them free, then remove their luxury item status. That is the most ludicrous thing. A tampon is not a luxury item, it's a basic necessity for half the population.

What is it that's happening over there? I heard the ruling party wants to oust its PM but why?

I hope you have a wonderful day too, Peng.

I mean condoms deal with the burden of death from botched home abortions and costs from unwanted children being reliant on the state, it’s a much more attractive issue to fix from a fiscal and societal point of view. Periods have often been taboo and in the previous patriarchy, before our increasingly progressive society, dismissed as irrelevant or a non-issue - and keeping women oppressed and under men’s rule of thumb was either a purposeful or incidental (from cultural norms propogated from a number of reasons, some outside of our control) course of action.

And yes, it was just being trialled in one area but has now been rolled out across Scotland

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:What is it that's happening over there? I heard the ruling party wants to oust its PM but why?

Why not? Also he's already been ousted.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:What is it that's happening over there? I heard the ruling party wants to oust its PM but why?

Yeah, already ousted as Bear said. One less silver fox graces our collection of world leaders.

Generally, I’d say he fell victim to the conflict most ROC parties have- an unhappy marriage between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. Turnbull was more moderate than many of his colleagues and the fiscal conservatives lost out to the nativist, anti-immigration wing of the party. I think the party’s public reasoning for the move was poor polling.

He’s also quitting Parliament, thereby removing the one seat majority the governing coalition had. So, an election might be in the cards.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:I mean condoms deal with the burden of death from botched home abortions and costs from unwanted children being reliant on the state, it’s a much more attractive issue to fix from a fiscal and societal point of view. Periods have often been taboo and in the previous patriarchy, before our increasingly progressive society, dismissed as irrelevant or a non-issue - and keeping women oppressed and under men’s rule of thumb was either a purposeful or incidental (from cultural norms propogated from a number of reasons, some outside of our control) course of action.

And yes, it was just being trialled in one area but has now been rolled out across Scotland

Well it's a good first step but I think sanitary products should be free for all women and young girls.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Yeah, already ousted as Bear said. One less silver fox graces our collection of world leaders.

Generally, I’d say he fell victim to the conflict most ROC parties have- an unhappy marriage between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. Turnbull was more moderate than many of his colleagues and the fiscal conservatives lost out to the nativist, anti-immigration wing of the party. I think the party’s public reasoning for the move was poor polling.

He’s also quitting Parliament, thereby removing the one seat majority the governing coalition had. So, an election might be in the cards.

Why is it an unhappy marriage? Is it because the fiscal cons are pro-immigration due to them wanting cheap foreign labour but the social cons are anti-immigrant because they're worried about their "culture" being eroded.

Penguania And Antarctica

The Spanish Government has given Franco's family 15 days to propose a new burial site for his body. I have a couple of ideas: how about the sea? Or maybe the sewers?

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Why is it an unhappy marriage? Is it because the fiscal cons are pro-immigration due to them wanting cheap foreign labour but the social cons are anti-immigrant because they're worried about their "culture" being eroded.

[spoiler=Rant]I can’t speak for Australia or even for any fiscal conservative beyond myself, but my own experience within ROC groups of friends and colleagues is that people who define themselves as fiscally conservative are stressing the fiscal part because they’re otherwise socially liberal/libertarian/moderate. They want low taxes and balanced budgets, but they generally aren’t okay with restricting abortion, denying LGBT peoples the right to marry, making things like the hijab an electoral issue, etc.

Especially where there’s no manner of proportional representation in the legislature, fiscal conservatives are incentivized to form parties with social conservatives because it’s often the only way they can logically gain the majority necessary to govern. In essence, fiscal conservatives have to compromise their social ideology so as to stand a chance at getting government taxes and spending under control (in their opinion).

I think they’re more willing to do this because they’ve run an internal costs and benefits analysis, and they’ve subjectively determined that the cost of having some socially conservative laws is lower than the benefit of influencing the economy in a way that they believe will make it more prosperous. In their view, it’s of lesser concern that gay people can’t get married if the economy is utterly mismanaged. Gay people not being allowed to marry isn’t right, but a mismanaged economy can lead to hyper-inflation, rising unemployment, shuttering businesses, reduced benefits, lower quality education and heath services, etc.

Of course, all parties and political associations have their ideological wings that lead to friction and the need for compromise. It’s just that as a fiscal conservative myself, I find our go-to bedfellows often come to be how any shared party or coalition comes to ultimately characterized (and in many cases, rightly so imo). But as someone who identifies as LGBT, considers himself a feminist, believes in global climate change, does not feel threatened by immigration, etc., I get particularly butthurt over this because I feel it leads to people like me becoming politically homeless.[/spoiler]

Nuremgard wrote:The Spanish Government has given Franco's family 15 days to propose a new burial site for his body. I have a couple of ideas: how about the sea? Or maybe the sewers?
I prefer my Francos to be James or Dave.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=Rant]I can’t speak for Australia or even for any fiscal conservative beyond myself, but my own experience within ROC groups of friends and colleagues is that people who define themselves as fiscally conservative are stressing the fiscal part because they’re otherwise socially liberal/libertarian/moderate. They want low taxes and balanced budgets, but they generally aren’t okay with restricting abortion, denying LGBT peoples the right to marry, making things like the hijab an electoral issue, etc.

Especially where there’s no manner of proportional representation in the legislature, fiscal conservatives are incentivized to form parties with social conservatives because it’s often the only way they can logically gain the majority necessary to govern. In essence, fiscal conservatives have to compromise their social ideology so as to stand a chance at getting government taxes and spending under control (in their opinion).

I think they’re more willing to do this because they’ve run an internal costs and benefits analysis, and they’ve subjectively determined that the cost of having some socially conservative laws is lower than the benefit of influencing the economy in a way that they believe will make it more prosperous. In their view, it’s of lesser concern that gay people can’t get married if the economy is utterly mismanaged. Gay people not being allowed to marry isn’t right, but a mismanaged economy can lead to hyper-inflation, rising unemployment, shuttering businesses, reduced benefits, lower quality education and heath services, etc.

Of course, all parties and political associations have their ideological wings that lead to friction and the need for compromise. It’s just that as a fiscal conservative myself, I find our go-to bedfellows often come to be how any shared party or coalition comes to ultimately characterized (and in many cases, rightly so imo). But as someone who identifies as LGBT, considers himself a feminist, believes in global climate change, does not feel threatened by immigration, etc., I get particularly butthurt over this because I feel it leads to people like me becoming politically homeless.[/spoiler]

I understand gay people like yourself being conservative for the economics but I could never ever see myself voting for a conservative party, not just because I am a leftist when it comes to economics, but because I find conservative attitudes towards people like me abhorrent.

Social conservatism comes with the territory of working with conservatives. Unless you form a socially liberal but economically conservative party that could garner votes, you'll need to stick with the bigots if you want a whiff of power.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I prefer my Francos to be James or Dave.

Dave please. He is so many shades of gorgeous.

Axeldonia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

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Nuremgard wrote:I understand gay people like yourself being conservative for the economics but I could never ever see myself voting for a conservative party, not just because I am a leftist when it comes to economics, but because I find conservative attitudes towards people like me abhorrent.

Social conservatism comes with the territory of working with conservatives. Unless you form a socially liberal but economically conservative party that could garner votes, you'll need to stick with the bigots if you want a whiff of power.

I think there’s a place for such a party, but it depends on the political climate, electoral system, etc. The Liberal Party under Chretien was widely considered to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, so it may have been that I would have been more at home with them in the 90s. I think Harper’s minority governments were also closer along those lines, but I think that was less representative of the party and more a compromise to other parties so they wouldn’t be toppled. Either way, I think it’s possible. Maybe that’s even what Bernier will try to do with his most recent departure from the Conservatives, but his recent musings on diversity have me a little cautious.

Nuremgard wrote:Dave please. He is so many shades of gorgeous.
Uh, fvck yes Dave Franco. But I’d take James over Frankie, even if I believe just being in the room with the former is likely to send me into a hallucinogenic trip.

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I think there’s a place for such a party, but it depends on the political climate, electoral system, etc. The Liberal Party under Chretien was widely considered to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative, so it may have been that I would have been more at home with them in the 90s. I think Harper’s minority governments were also closer along those lines, but I think that was less representative of the party and more a compromise to other parties so they wouldn’t be toppled. Either way, I think it’s possible. Maybe that’s even what Bernier will try to do with his most recent departure from the Conservatives, but his recent musings on diversity have me a little cautious.

Uh, fvck yes Dave Franco. But I’d take James over Frankie, even if I believe just being in the room with the former is likely to send me into a hallucinogenic trip.

Would you vote for a party which perfectly reflected your economic values but was socially conservative?

You prefer James over Dave? Why?! I mean, don't get me wrong, James is a good looking guy but Dave is tasty AF.

Axeldonia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:He’s also quitting Parliament, thereby removing the one seat majority the governing coalition had. So, an election might be in the cards.

You're already pretty screwed if your governing coalition has a one seat majority

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Unfallious wrote:You're already pretty screwed if your governing coalition has a one seat majority

That was my thought too lol

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Also this is Australia's 4th PM in 5 years, Britain has had 2 over the same period (And that's considering the fact we're currently going through the biggest political upheaval in modern British history)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:Also this is Australia's 4th PM in 5 years, Britain has had 2 over the same period (And that's considering the fact we're currently going through the biggest political upheaval in modern British history)

I still say the UK is more batsh!t. We've had less PMs because Trembling Theresa is clinging on thanks to the DUP and a compliant press that is scaring gullible idiots about Comrade Corbyn and his alleged communist, anti-Semitic ways.

Nuremgard wrote:I still say the UK is more batsh!t.

Oh for sure. Australia can bounce through so many PMs because they keep replacing mediocre people with more mediocre people. The reason we haven't done the same is because we've got a bad PM, but our only alternatives are absolutely insane and the Tories know it.

Oh and a general election

But the Tories will sink us before they willingly give up power

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:Oh for sure. Australia can bounce through so many PMs because they keep replacing mediocre people with more mediocre people. The reason we haven't done the same is because we've got a bad PM, but our only alternatives are absolutely insane and the Tories know it.

Oh and a general election

But the Tories will sink us before they willingly give up power

Come on, is Corbyn really that insane of an alternative? He's a mildly left of centre social democrat. At this point, I'd sooner vote for Lucifer than Theresa May or any blasted Tory.

Nuremgard wrote:Come on, Is Corbyn really that insane of an alternative? He's a mildly left of centre social democrat. At this point, I'd sooner vote for Lucifer than Theresa May or any blasted Tory.

I put him under the 'general election' option. Corbyn isn't a viable alternative because Labour can't trigger an election right now as it has spent the last 3 fvcking years trying to kill itself.

Nuremgard

Unfallious wrote:I put him under the 'general election' option. Corbyn isn't a viable alternative because Labour can't trigger an election right now as it has spent the last 3 fvcking years trying to kill itself.

I really hate how many Labour MPs (and many Labour voters) are basically saying, "we need to be Tory-lite to get into power." They claim to want the Tories out but want to mimic or water down Tory policy.

I mean, I don't care what Labour do. I have no dog in this fight. But still, it's irritating watching the party tear itself to shreds because they'd rather have a Tory government than tolerate Corbyn who was voted as party leader. Twice. By Labour voters.

Russkov Soviet wrote:Also...

Welcome back James The Red Enginethe and Duke The Old Engine! Did your drivers forget to keep in touch? Or did something else happen?

I can't speak for James, but both me and my crew forgot about this account. I was always skeptical of this NS business, so I wasn't in a rush to come back. But Peter Sam thought this was quite fun, so when he found out I had let this nation disappear, he convinced me to come back. Thankfully my driver still had the password saved in his phone.

Peter Sam: It is fun, Granpuff! Percy's told me so many great things about this place, and I've had some fun here as well through your account.

Duncan: Then how come ye dinnae mak' yer own account, instead o' mooching aff o' Duke?

Duke: It's alright, Duncan. It's up to Peter Sam in the end, but he's free to use my account if he wants.

Peter Sam: Thank you, Granpuff! I may still make my own account later on, but I'll just use this account for now.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Well it's a good first step but I think sanitary products should be free for all women and young girls.

Why is it an unhappy marriage? Is it because the fiscal cons are pro-immigration due to them wanting cheap foreign labour but the social cons are anti-immigrant because they're worried about their "culture" being eroded.

I don’t think there’s any disagreement on them being free, I was just saying why from a value point of view we have free condoms but not sanitary products

Nuremgard wrote:I still say the UK is more batsh!t. We've had less PMs because Trembling Theresa is clinging on thanks to the DUP and a compliant press that is scaring gullible idiots about Comrade Corbyn and his alleged communist, anti-Semitic ways.

To be fair Corbyn is only being slightly less of a melt than May atm

According to some people on the net 1th, 2th, and 3th are proper English.

Yukona wrote:To be fair Corbyn is only being slightly less of a melt than May atm

I'm just glad we have the alternative of the SNP up here.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good God. It’s downright entertaining, but I do not envy the Aussie’s political mess.

Well I don't wanna imagine how such a situation would evolve over here in Greece.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm just glad we have the alternative of the SNP up here.

They’re still being melts half the time, politics being politics as is standard

Can someone give me a short explanation what's going on?

Jaslandia, Anglia Imperium

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Can someone give me a short explanation what's going on?

Nurem and Yuk are about to have their regular British discussion, ContComm and Unf along with Nurem discussed Australian politics a while ago

Jaslandia

Anglia Imperium wrote:Nurem and Yuk are about to have their regular British discussion, ContComm and Unf along with Nurem discussed Australian politics a while ago

Oh ok. *sigh*

Anglia Imperium

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Oh ok. *sigh*

*sigh* indeed

Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:They’re still being melts half the time, politics being politics as is standard

Politics is just sh!t right now.

Anglia Imperium wrote:*sigh* indeed

God forbid we discuss politics on a political game.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Politics is just sh!t right now.

God forbid we discuss politics on a political game.

I can't tell if you're serious or not right now, I know I wasn't

Nuremgard wrote:God forbid we discuss politics on a political game.

I'm sorry for saying anything here that's unrelated to British politics or politics of other commonwealth nations. I'll refrain from it in the future.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm sorry for saying anything here that's unrelated to British politics or politics of other commonwealth nations. I'll refrain from it in the future.

I never told you to refrain from anything. You can talk about anything you want. Me and Yuk discussing British politics doesn't stop you from talking about the politics of other countries.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I never told you to refrain from anything. You can talk about anything you want. Me and Yuk discussing British politics doesn't stop you from talking about the politics of other countries.

But nobody is interested in that. So it will be a very one-sided conversation.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:But nobody is interested in that. So it will be a very one-sided conversation.

I try to comment on things I know about.

Anglia Imperium

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:But nobody is interested in that. So it will be a very one-sided conversation.

Speak for yourself mate

Jaslandia, Anglia Imperium

Yukona wrote:Speak for yourself mate

^

Yukona wrote:Speak for yourself mate

Think the UK will get a Brexit deal?

Nuremgard wrote:I try to comment on things I know about.

Yukona wrote:Speak for yourself mate

Anglia Imperium wrote:^

CDU/CSU discuss the implementation of a compulsory service year for young people (men and women). Not only military service but also social services like nursing sick and old people. Some say it's necessary to get the young generation back on the ground. Other say it's an infringement of everyone's right of a free development of their person and life. The business and industry complain that they will lack workforce and that apprentices will be much older when they start. Labour unions criticize the plan because they think that servicemen/servicewoman could be used as cheap workforce and that the quantity of personnel might increase but the quality will get worse.

Nuremgard wrote:Think the UK will get a Brexit deal?

Funny.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:CDU/CSU discuss the implementation of a compulsory service year for young people (men and women). Not only military service but also social services like nursing sick and old people. Some say it's necessary to get the young generation back on the ground. Other day it's an infringement of everyone's right of a free development of their person and life. The business and industry complain that they will lack workforce and that apprentices will be much older when they start. Labour unions criticize the plan because they think that servicemen/servicewoman could be used as cheap workforce and that the quantity of personnel might increase but the quality will get worse.

I thought compulsory military or social service was already enforced in Germany. Do you agree with the government's proposal? Why/why not?

Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Funny.

I think the plan has been to leave without a deal all along. That way the UK Gov can blame the evil EU.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:CDU/CSU discuss the implementation of a compulsory service year for young people (men and women). Not only military service but also social services like nursing sick and old people. Some say it's necessary to get the young generation back on the ground. Other say it's an infringement of everyone's right of a free development of their person and life. The business and industry complain that they will lack workforce and that apprentices will be much older when they start. Labour unions criticize the plan because they think that servicemen/servicewoman could be used as cheap workforce and that the quantity of personnel might increase but the quality will get worse.

Nuremgard wrote:I thought compulsory military or social service was already enforced in Germany. Do you agree with the government's proposal? Why/why not?

Greece has just compulsory conscription for men aged 18-19, lasts 9 months.

It's compulasory and not gonna change, so complaining does nothing, but no-one has complained. I suspect that's due to most young men of this age being in University, and thus not being a great part of the workforce anyway, to make a connection what what Peng mentions about businesses.

As for the German case, I suspect some kind of system like the one in Greece already exists (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm not sure what to think of the proposed system, but it doesn't strike me as a good idea

Penguania And Antarctica

Anglia Imperium wrote:Greece has just compulsory conscription for men aged 18-19, lasts 9 months.

It's compulasory and not gonna change, so complaining does nothing, but no-one has complained. I suspect that's due to most young men of this age being in University, and thus not being a great part of the workforce anyway, to make a connection what what Peng mentions about businesses.

As for the German case, I suspect some kind of system like the one in Greece already exists (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm not sure what to think of the proposed system, but it doesn't strike me as a good idea

I don't much like the idea of forcing people to do something they don't want to do.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I don't much like the idea of forcing people to do something they don't want to do.

nurem is against taxes pass it on

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Anglia Imperium

Nuremgard wrote:Think the UK will get a Brexit deal?

I don’t know what to think mate, I only hope. If we get a no-deal I’m strongly considering leaving the country for the Commonwealth. I’m relying on a second referendum at this point, it’s a shame the Tories want to take all of us with them on this suicide mission.

Nuremgard

Unfallious wrote:nurem is against taxes pass it on

Ha. You know what I mean. In terms of forcing people to join the military or do social service, I disagree.

Yukona wrote:I don’t know what to think mate, I only hope. If we get a no-deal I’m strongly considering leaving the country for the Commonwealth. I’m relying on a second referendum at this point, it’s a shame the Tories want to take all of us with them on this suicide mission.

I don't have the money to leave so I'm f*cked.

Nuremgard wrote:I don't much like the idea of forcing people to do something they don't want to do.

Well me neither, but most people in here have made peace with that

Plus that 9 month term is, from what I've gathered, utterly ridiculous, nothing like what you'd expect, so not many people have issues with serving

Nuremgard

Anglia Imperium wrote:Well me neither, but most people in here have made peace with that

Plus that 9 month term is, from what I've gathered, utterly ridiculous, nothing like what you'd expect, so not many people have issues with serving

Dunno why they have it. It's not like Greece is going to go to war any time soon.

Nuremgard wrote:I thought compulsory military or social service was already enforced in Germany. Do you agree with the government's proposal? Why/why not?

Conscription and substitute service are suspended since 2011.

I don't agree with the idea. People should be free to choose what they want to do.

Anglia Imperium wrote:Greece has just compulsory conscription for men aged 18-19, lasts 9 months.

It's compulasory and not gonna change, so complaining does nothing, but no-one has complained. I suspect that's due to most young men of this age being in University, and thus not being a great part of the workforce anyway, to make a connection what what Peng mentions about businesses.

As for the German case, I suspect some kind of system like the one in Greece already exists (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm not sure what to think of the proposed system, but it doesn't strike me as a good idea

See above.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Ha. You know what I mean. In terms of forcing people to join the military or do social service, I disagree.

I don't have the money to leave so I'm f*cked.

I don’t either but I’ll find a way lol, if not I’ll just become a grime artist and make it big in the Brummy rap scene that’ll save me

Nuremgard

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Conscription and substitute service are suspended since 2011.

I don't agree with the idea. People should be free to choose what they want to do.See above.

I agree. Forcing people will only make them resentful and wont give the military the best fighters, or the vulnerable the proper care they need.

Yukona wrote:I don’t either but I’ll find a way lol, if not I’ll just become a grime artist and make it big in the Brummy rap scene that’ll save me

I've often said if things go south I'll become a prostitute. That way I am self-employed, can set my own hours, my own wages and I don't need to pay tax. :P

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I agree. Forcing people will only make them resentful and wont give the military the best fighters, or the vulnerable the proper care they need.

I've often said if things go south I'll become a prostitute. That way I am self-employed, can set my own hours, my own wages and I don't need to pay tax. :P

I mean I hope to be able to make enough money to the point that if I need to move country I can, but I dont really want to leave England, it would really upset me and I’d probably move back later on in life if it did happen.

I’ll probably join the military reserves to make some extra cash.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Anglia Imperium

Yukona wrote:I mean I hope to be able to make enough money to the point that if I need to move country I can, but I dont really want to leave England, it would really upset me and I’d probably move back later on in life if it did happen.

I’ll probably join the military reserves to make some extra cash.

If I had the money I'd probably move somewhere on the continent. Maybe Spain or a Scandinavian country until Scotland became indy. Then I'd move back lol

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Dunno why they have it. It's not like Greece is going to go to war any time soon.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Conscription and substitute service are suspended since 2011.

I don't agree with the idea. People should be free to choose what they want to do.See above.

I don't think we're gonna go to war anytime soon

But it's the whole Armed Forces system and how it works over here

Also it's worth mentioning that there are ways to get exception for medical reasons, which are sadly quite abused by people who simply don't want to go to the military

Anglia Imperium wrote:I don't think we're gonna go to war anytime soon

But it's the whole Armed Forces system and how it works over here

Also it's worth mentioning that there are ways to get exception for medical reasons, which are sadly quite abused by people who simply don't want to go to the military

If they brought back conscription over here, I don't think I'd be allowed to serve because I am partially sighted. Regardless, I'd be a conscientious objector.

Anglia Imperium

Anglia Imperium wrote:I don't think we're gonna go to war anytime soon

But it's the whole Armed Forces system and how it works over here

Also it's worth mentioning that there are ways to get exception for medical reasons, which are sadly quite abused by people who simply don't want to go to the military

If you boys ever get in a war with Turkey I’ll be hopping on the boat to join you, eleftheria i thanatos

Penguania And Antarctica, Anglia Imperium

Nuremgard wrote:If they brought back conscription over here, I don't think I'd be allowed to serve because I am partially sighted. Regardless, I'd be a conscientious objector.

Ah yes I've heard about that.

Well I'm not exactly sure what are the provisions here, but most probably what you mentioned falls within them

Nuremgard wrote:If I had the money I'd probably move somewhere on the continent. Maybe Spain or a Scandinavian country until Scotland became indy. Then I'd move back lol

Can’t stand Spain, would much prefer Scandinavia or the Baltic’s, I also find Germanic and Finnic languages a bit easier than Southern European ones.

Wouldn’t it be a bit silly for a Scottish nationalist to leave Scotland until it was independent?

Yukona wrote:If you boys ever get in a war with Turkey I’ll be hopping on the boat to join you, eleftheria i thanatos

Give those Ottomans a good thrashing, tally ho what! ;)

Yukona

Yukona wrote:Can’t stand Spain, would much prefer Scandinavia or the Baltic’s, I also find Germanic and Finnic languages a bit easier than Southern European ones.

Wouldn’t it be a bit silly for a Scottish nationalist to leave Scotland until it was independent?

I'm only one vote. I doubt I'd make much of a difference. Why cant you stand Spain though?

Yukona

Anglia Imperium wrote:Ah yes I've heard about that.

Well I'm not exactly sure what are the provisions here, but most probably what you mentioned falls within them

In fact on another note I have a Hellenic Army cap that I cherish

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Anglia Imperium

Nuremgard wrote:I'm only one vote. I doubt I'd make much of a difference. Why cant you stand Spain though?

Spain in terms of history and culture just really doesn’t appeal to me, and I just genuinely don’t feel the place. Unlike the Ottomans, who I genuinely dislike and are insolent.

Yukona wrote:Spain in terms of history and culture just really doesn’t appeal to me, and I just genuinely don’t feel the place. Unlike the Ottomans, who I genuinely dislike and are insolent.

I dislike Spain's treatment and attitude towards Catalonia and I dislike how some in the country still venerate Franco. But other than that, it seems like a nice place.

As for the Turks, they're falling for the same populist, nationalist BS that many others in the US and other western countries are being sucked into right now.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:In fact on another note I have a Hellenic Army cap that I cherish

Oh really? Nice!

Nuremgard

Anglia Imperium wrote:Oh really? Nice!

Which part of Greece do you come from?

Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Which part of Greece do you come from?

Northern

Percyton

Anglia Imperium wrote:Northern

Cool. I'd like to go sometime.

Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Cool. I'd like to go sometime.

To be honest the only good stuff in Northern Greece is the archaelogical sites in Macedonia

Southern Greece or Crete and perhaps some (a bit more remote) islands are best for Tourism

My suggestion would be islands on the Ionian Sea.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton

Anglia Imperium wrote:To be honest the only good stuff in Northern Greece is the archaelogical sites in Macedonia

Southern Greece or Crete and perhaps some (a bit more remote) islands are best for Tourism

My suggestion would be islands on the Ionian Sea.

I'd like to see some ancient ruins but I'd love to go to one of the Greek islands for a holiday. Maybe one of the gay resorts. :P

Jaslandia, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:I dislike Spain's treatment and attitude towards Catalonia and I dislike how some in the country still venerate Franco. But other than that, it seems like a nice place.

As for the Turks, they're falling for the same populist, nationalist BS that many others in the US and other western countries are being sucked into right now.

They've always been ultra-nationalist because their country's foundation and survival depended on them being xenophobic marauders. Unless they recognise their history much alike us, and other former empires, and take into account what they do/did - they will always be corrupted by the myth that they are somehow void of any criticism - as I have stated before, any discussion of Turkey or the Ottoman Empire and you get 15 people named Mehmet magically coming out of the woodwork to tell you how many lies you believe and how Turanism is the way forward (pull the other one, it's got bells on it). Or, it's their disgusting approach to the Kurds presently (as they have treated all their minorities poorly), and how even in the UK I managed to get a f*cking Turkish propaganda advert on YT explaining how they're the good guys in Syria. Yeah right. Sh*thole.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Anglia Imperium wrote:To be honest the only good stuff in Northern Greece is the archaelogical sites in Macedonia

Southern Greece or Crete and perhaps some (a bit more remote) islands are best for Tourism

My suggestion would be islands on the Ionian Sea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglKhZ4ycGU

Yukona wrote:They've always been ultra-nationalist because their country's foundation and survival depended on them being xenophobic marauders. Unless they recognise their history much alike us, and other former empires, and take into account what they do/did - they will always be corrupted by the myth that they are somehow void of any criticism - as I have stated before, any discussion of Turkey or the Ottoman Empire and you get 15 people named Mehmet magically coming out of the woodwork to tell you how many lies you believe and how Turanism is the way forward (pull the other one, it's got bells on it). Or, it's their disgusting approach to the Kurds presently (as they have treated all their minorities poorly), and how even in the UK I managed to get a f*cking Turkish propaganda advert on YT explaining how they're the good guys in Syria. Yeah right. Sh*thole.

A shame really. They were a secular, liberal democracy that straddled both east and west. Now Erdogan is turning it into yet another Islamic dictatorship (because the world doesn't have enough of those already.)

I do find it funny though, just off-topic here. My uncle loathes Muslims and was ranting a while ago to us about how they are "outbreeding" us Christians (he has never went to church in his life and is not religious in any way - although he is an Orange sympathiser/supporter.) Despite this, he goes on holiday to Turkey all the time.

He hates foreigners and immigrants yet seems to be oblivious to the idea that when he's over there, Turks are probably thinking, "f*ck off back to your own country, you white bastard."

Nuremgard wrote:I'd like to see some ancient ruins but I'd love to go to one of the Greek islands for a holiday. Maybe one of the gay resorts. :P

Hmmm. The best combination is Crete. Never been myself, I've been only told it's awesome

Yukona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglKhZ4ycGU

I'll listen to that

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

I need to stop reading newspaper comment sections for the sake of my blood pressure.

Jaslandia, Mercunova, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:I need to stop reading newspaper comment sections for the sake of my blood pressure.

If I would get 5 € every time you say that I would have quite a budget by now.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Unfallious, Percyton

Most Corrupt in the COFN and 2nd Most Cultural? That's uh... That's interesting. I don't see how this works. xD

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Spanelsko, Anglia Imperium

Russkov Soviet wrote:Most Corrupt in the COFN and 2nd Most Cultural? That's uh... That's interesting. I don't see how this works. xD

Well you can be a corrupt government that funds a lot of cultural enterprises. especially if the art/music/writing is supportive of said corrupt government.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Russkov Soviet.

Nuremgard wrote:Well you can be a corrupt government that funds a lot of cultural enterprises. especially if the art/music/writing is supportive of said corrupt government.

Huh... Also, I don't know why it double posted. >_<

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Can the British people here tell me what "toad-in-the-hole" is?

Russkov Soviet, Percyton

Sinead O'Connor should be invited back to SNL, given a formal, public apology by Lorne Michaels, and allowed to rip up a photo of the current pope as well.

Lex Caledonia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Can the British people here tell me what "toad-in-the-hole" is?

Looked it up. "The English classic Toad-in-the-Hole—sausage links baked in a Yorkshire pudding like flour egg batter."

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Can the British people here tell me what "toad-in-the-hole" is?

It's like a pastry, batter mixture that you use to make Yorkshire puddings with sausages baked into it. You serve it with gravy and veggies.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Unfallious wrote:It's like a pastry, batter mixture that you use to make Yorkshire puddings with sausages baked into it. You serve it with gravy and veggies.

Does it taste good?

Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Does it taste good?

Its been a long time since I had it, but yeah it's pretty great.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Unfallious wrote:Its been a long time since I had it, but yeah it's pretty great.

Ah okay. Thanks for your explanation. :D

Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:Most Corrupt in the COFN and 2nd Most Cultural? That's uh... That's interesting. I don't see how this works. xD

On the bright side, at least you're the fourth-nicest nation! I'm a bit lower on the list at seventh, but I'm still pretty happy with that.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Can the British people here tell me what "toad-in-the-hole" is?

Toad: Oh dear, I hope they don't mean me, Mr. Oliver. I don't like holes, and a brakevan like me isn't very useful in a hole.

Oliver: *laughs* I think you'll be fine, Toad. It's a food, and it has nothing to do with you or any other toad brakevans. And besides, I would never let anything happen to you.

Toad: I appreciate that, Mr. Oliver. United we stand, together we fall!

Oliver: Quite right.

Duck: Indeed. It's the Great Western Way.

Oliver: *groans* Ugh! I'm Great Western too, and even I'm tired of hearing you prattle on about the 'Great Western Way'.

Duck: Alright, alright, I'll shut up about it for the time being. But even a fellow Great Western could still learn a thing or two from the Great Western way. *puffs away*

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:On the bright side, at least you're the fourth-nicest nation! I'm a bit lower on the list at seventh, but I'm still pretty happy with that.

Toad: Oh dear, I hope they don't mean me, Mr. Oliver. I don't like holes, and a brakevan like me isn't very useful in a hole.

Oliver: *laughs* I think you'll be fine, Toad. It's a food, and it has nothing to do with you or any other toad brakevans. And besides, I would never let anything happen to you.

Toad: I appreciate that, Mr. Oliver. United we stand, together we fall!

Oliver: Quite right.

Duck: Indeed. It's the Great Western Way.

Oliver: *groans* Ugh! I'm Great Western too, and even I'm tired of hearing you prattle on about the 'Great Western Way'.

Duck: Alright, alright, I'll shut up about it for the time being. But even a fellow Great Western could still learn a thing or two from the Great Western way. *puffs away*

You and your friends always brighten up my day. :D

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Percyton

Mercunova wrote:Sinead O'Connor should be invited back to SNL, given a formal, public apology by Lorne Michaels, and allowed to rip up a photo of the current pope as well.

Eh. She's just another mad Christian like the rest of them.

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