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Post self-deleted by Andromitus.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Mr. Speaker, are we using polls to determine the vote outcome for legislation now?

If so, a couple questions:

i) Is there a way to change one's vote should he or she decide to change their mind based on the debate or subsequent amendments, or as a result of simply selecting the wrong option?

ii) Are you as an administrator capable of determining who has voted for which option so as to validate that all votes are from lawful citizens and Delegates of this House?

Do you mind if I respond to this here? As I do not want to interfere in the HoD.

Latrovia wrote:Do you mind if I respond to this here? As I do not want to interfere in the HoD.

Or perhaps do you prefer in a private TG?

Latrovia wrote:Do you mind if I respond to this here? As I do not want to interfere in the HoD.

Sorta creepy that you're attributing that to me as an RMB post as it was written on the forums, buuuut...

You're allowed to respond on the forums as the Speaker has allowed your participation at my request. But I'm all for you responding here, if you prefer.

Thank you all for approving my appointment to MoFA. It's basically the only thing I'm good at :p

Jaslandia, Yukona

Oelesa wrote:Thank you all for approving my appointment to MoFA. It's basically the only thing I'm good at :p

I wouldn't say the 'only' thing. Weren't you MoIA once before? And I know you were Chancellor/PM a couple of times before, even if your terms kept being interrupted by regional migrations.

Vista Major

Jaslandia wrote:I wouldn't say the 'only' thing. Weren't you MoIA once before? And I know you were Chancellor/PM a couple of times before, even if your terms kept being interrupted by regional migrations.

That is true

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:I wouldn't say the 'only' thing. Weren't you MoIA once before? And I know you were Chancellor/PM a couple of times before, even if your terms kept being interrupted by regional migrations.

Don't remind me of the bastard that stole everything. Being Chancellor was my dream *cries in the distance*

Jaslandia

Post self-deleted by Kalaron.

13[/nation].6636327,147.0276175,381954m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d13.742902!4d147.189318?hl=en-US]Replaced my base

Oelesa wrote:Don't remind me of the bastard that stole everything. Being Chancellor was my dream *cries in the distance*

[B]Two[/B] bastards.

Oelesa

Post self-deleted by Kalaron.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Sorry Nurem. If it isn't military related, it isn't up to snuff nowadays.

How you got cancer to selectively effect the upper classes, though, must be quite the feat for an anti-bourgeois such as yourself.

I must say I'm not entirely unhappy with the latter result. ;)

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Continental Commonwealths

Kalaron wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/place/13%C2%B044'34.5%22N+147%C2%B011'21.5%22E/[nation=short]13[/nation].6636327,147.0276175,381954m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d13.742902!4d147.189318?hl=en-US

NS, if you could not try to make a nation out of my damned link, I would be happy.

Andromitus

Sulania wrote:Sine!

What is up, mah main man!

What you been up to while I been taking a little dirt nap

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Sorta creepy that you're attributing that to me as an RMB post as it was written on the forums, buuuut...

You're allowed to respond on the forums as the Speaker has allowed your participation at my request. But I'm all for you responding here, if you prefer.

Oh, apologies for that. I certainly didn't want it to look creepy. I am just trying alternative ways to address the HoD without speaking inside the HoD. xD

To answer your two questions. Starting with the first one, each member of the house [B]has only one vote[/B]. In case you vote on the poll, you can't change your vote later on. So I would suggest extreme care on where you guys put your votes.

To address your second question. Anyone who has access to our forums can vote. And when I say anyone, [B]I literally mean anyone[/B]. Since we don't check the people that register in our forums, anyone can register and then vote. This means that even Satan himself can register with a puppet of his and then cast his votes.

There is no way that I or any other admin can check who has voted. There are two ways that we can fix this. Either each member of the House votes and then write down on the message box that they did vote indeed, or by changing our citizenship process. This change refers to having our citizenship process been handled in our forums where we can check IP's and Proxy's and know for sure who is who and that certain nations do not use the same address to join our platforms.

My first solution still has its own problematics. Indeed it's easier and in the COFN everyone appreciates the easy roads, but it doesn't make certain that puppets won't get their citizenship status up and then vote or even manipulate the bills of the HoD. That's why I have asked the MoIA to be careful on whom he grants their citizenship as I have seen before people, transferring their WA to their puppets periodically and then having it transferred again back to their main nation. I believe that we can't do anything towards people that do not declare all their nations after all, except checking their IP's and Proxies. The second solution is indeed better, but it would infringe upon the right of our people to keep their privacy... well, private.

Thus far, our forums are vulnerable and they can be manipulated and so on the results of our bills as well can be manipulated.

Here I laid down two solutions, I hope that the HoD take in consideration both of them and provide solutions as they are extremely needed at this moment.

Continental Commonwealths

Sinovet wrote:What is up, mah main man!

What you been up to while I been taking a little dirt nap

Oh, y'know, some stuff. College is going great, boyfriend is doing nice, and everything is working out pretty well.

Sinovet, Yukona

Sulania wrote:Oh, y'know, some stuff. College is going great, boyfriend is doing nice, and everything is working out pretty well.

< 3

Sulania wrote:Oh, y'know, some stuff. College is going great, boyfriend is doing nice, and everything is working out pretty well.

Cool, cool.

I'm not in college yet. And the Mad King reigns alone. Also, I've been very busy being dead. And also getting fired a lot. For being dead.

Latrovia wrote:/snip

Ah, good to see that I'm not the only one to whom brevity does not come naturally.

If what you say is true, I feel that the poll system on our forums is deeply flawed. As we can see that changing one's mind during the voting period is a fairly common occurrence when one takes a look as past legislation, having it so one cannot do this is an issue. And, of course, there is the issue with validating the votes cast as actual legal voters. I would not suspect our President would do this, but using a poll would allow the President to cast a vote in the House of Commons- an action he is not allowed to do- without being noticed or having it discounted from the total votes.

I think our previous system of having nations post either "aye" or "nay" works just fine. Most people use their nation names or references they are commonly known by and any duplication would be quickly noticed, therefore ensuring to a great degree that only legal Delegates vote and said Delegates get only one vote. Further, a number of people often provide their rationale when saying either "aye" or "nay", therefore encouraging debate the a greater degree than a simple poll can be expected to do.

What say you, [nation=short]Bearlong[/nation]?

Jaslandia, Latrovia

Side note.

SCREW you, Aerys Targaryen!!

Get your own title you filthy copycat!

Sinovet wrote:Side note.

SCREW you, Aerys Targaryen!!

Get your own title you filthy copycat!

Sinovet! Haven't seen you in a really long time.

Sinovet, Jaslandia

Here you go lads, have a political union = https://www.nationstates.net/nation=unfallious/detail=factbook/id=753368

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths

Unfallious wrote:Here you go lads, have a political union = https://www.nationstates.net/nation=unfallious/detail=factbook/id=753368

Daaaayum, that's a nice factbook. That gets an uptick.

Also, nice to see unions beyond that of the ITF forming.

Not that I'm criticizing the ITF. Officially neutral. Please don't invade my shores.

Jaslandia, Unfallious

Baxten wrote:Sinovet! Haven't seen you in a really long time.

And now you have seen me very recently. This is better.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Daaaayum, that's a nice factbook. That gets an uptick.

Also, nice to see unions beyond that of the ITF forming.

Not that I'm criticizing the ITF. Officially neutral. Please don't invade my shores.

I actually dislike making factbooks because I'm sort of a perfectionist when it comes to them, like the time I was tasked with making a simple surrender document and came up with this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=421962

But I always like the positive feedback I get from it, so thanks CC. ;)

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:I actually dislike making factbooks because I'm sort of a perfectionist when it comes to them, like the time I was tasked with making a simple surrender document and came up with this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=421962

But I always like the positive feedback I get from it, so thanks CC. ;)

I like it too. If only Aldwood would make his Russia claim official.

Sinovet wrote:Cool, cool.

I'm not in college yet. And the Mad King reigns alone. Also, I've been very busy being dead. And also getting fired a lot. For being dead.

I'm sorry to hear that, Sine. I'm sure things will turn up for ya, they always do for the Mad King.

Sinovet

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Ah, good to see that I'm not the only one to whom brevity does not come naturally.

If what you say is true, I feel that the poll system on our forums is deeply flawed. As we can see that changing one's mind during the voting period is a fairly common occurrence when one takes a look as past legislation, having it so one cannot do this is an issue. And, of course, there is the issue with validating the votes cast as actual legal voters. I would not suspect our President would do this, but using a poll would allow the President to cast a vote in the House of Commons- an action he is not allowed to do- without being noticed or having it discounted from the total votes.

I think our previous system of having nations post either "aye" or "nay" works just fine. Most people use their nation names or references they are commonly known by and any duplication would be quickly noticed, therefore ensuring to a great degree that only legal Delegates vote and said Delegates get only one vote. Further, a number of people often provide their rationale when saying either "aye" or "nay", therefore encouraging debate the a greater degree than a simple poll can be expected to do.

What say you, [nation=short]Bearlong[/nation]?

Yeah, I am not sure that our bills are processed correctly. To me, it's pretty clear that, once a bill is in the Debate Section of our forums it needs to be debated. Instead, we have little to sometimes no debates and direct vote. In this case, I would suggest that each bill passes through two phases (1) the Debate Phase and (2) the Voting Phase. Each phase should have its own timing. Let's say 3 days for the Debate Phase and 2 days for the Voting Phase.

Well yes, even the President can vote in the HoD polls in case the author decides to put up a poll. To my own defense I have never voted on any bill introduced in the House of Delegates.

Latrovia wrote:Yeah, I am not sure that our bills are processed correctly. To me, it's pretty clear that, once a bill is in the Debate Section of our forums it needs to be debated. Instead, we have little to sometimes no debates and direct vote. In this case, I would suggest that each bill passes through two phases (1) the Debate Phase and (2) the Voting Phase. Each phase should have its own timing. Let's say 3 days for the Debate Phase and 2 days for the Voting Phase.

Our system is fine without enforcing less time on a vote.

People are free to mention bills and debate them anywhere, after all, and people will likely not make a comment on one just because they can't vote for three days.

Sinovet wrote:Shhhh

Where dafuq have you been, child?

Sinovet

Latrovia wrote:Yeah, I am not sure that our bills are processed correctly. To me, it's pretty clear that, once a bill is in the Debate Section of our forums it needs to be debated. Instead, we have little to sometimes no debates and direct vote. In this case, I would suggest that each bill passes through two phases (1) the Debate Phase and (2) the Voting Phase. Each phase should have its own timing. Let's say 3 days for the Debate Phase and 2 days for the Voting Phase.

Well yes, even the President can vote in the HoD polls in case the author decides to put up a poll. To my own defense I have never voted on any bill introduced in the House of Delegates.

Hmm. It's true that the debate phase would make this more like a real life legislature, but I'm not sure it's necessary. First, it doesn't address the issue of people not debating. If people don't want to debate, they'll just ignore the debate stage and tune in for voting. Second, it lowers the amount of time people have to actually vote, which may lead to lower participation due to short periods of inactivity due to life's varying speeds. Third, I'm not sure we're too keen as a group of delaying the voting process for bills. In the original CFN, I introduced an optional measure for bills to be reviewed before they went to vote because many bills were being passed that had multiple spelling/grammar errors and that straight up contradicted previous legislation or even the Constitution without repealing said conflicting legislation. I think some people (here's looking at you, Unf) wanted to flay me for that. :P

Granted, it was a more complicated process than what I've described. We had a pretty ingrained party system at the time, which I tried to integrate, but also a number of independents, which I also tried to integrate, and the whole thing just got turned upside down face.

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:I actually dislike making factbooks because I'm sort of a perfectionist when it comes to them, like the time I was tasked with making a simple surrender document and came up with this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=421962

But I always like the positive feedback I get from it, so thanks CC. ;)

It looks really nice, but I must point out that the title of the factbook is "Union of Socialist Cooperative States" but the big title below it is "The Union of Cooperative Socialist States" and I too am a perfectionist, and everytime I look at it I just....want....to......change.....it...SLIGHTLY gaaaAAAAAAAAAAH!

but other than that, I hope it gains traction, the ITF is like, the only powerful union

Andromitus wrote:It looks really nice, but I must point out that the title of the factbook is "Union of Socialist Cooperative States" but the big title below it is "The Union of Cooperative Socialist States" and I too am a perfectionist, and everytime I look at it I just....want....to......change.....it...SLIGHTLY gaaaAAAAAAAAAAH!

but other than that, I hope it gains traction, the ITF is like, the only powerful union

It's deliberate ;)

Unfallious wrote:It's deliberate ;)

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/480/253/8f7.jpg

Andromitus wrote:It looks really nice, but I must point out that the title of the factbook is "Union of Socialist Cooperative States" but the big title below it is "The Union of Cooperative Socialist States" and I too am a perfectionist, and everytime I look at it I just....want....to......change.....it...SLIGHTLY gaaaAAAAAAAAAAH!

but other than that, I hope it gains traction, the ITF is like, the only powerful union

Yea. If Unfallious made an Eastern European/Central Asian Warsaw Pact type thing, that'd be great

Speaking of, I think I've got raise Bears population. And whoever claims the Baltic States should be communist. Maybe Sinovet can.

PS: If you do "reform" the USSR, I can make that on the map.

Sinovet

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Jaslandia, Confederacy Of Free Nations

Baxten wrote:Yea. If Unfallious made an Eastern European/Central Asian Warsaw Pact type thing, that'd be great

Speaking of, I think I've got raise Bears population. And whoever claims the Baltic States should be communist. Maybe Sinovet can.

PS: If you do "reform" the USSR, I can make that on the map.

The USCS isn't very comparable to the Soviet Union because the 3 states involved retain a lot of autonomy. I'd probably say it's a more intimate EU.

Sinovet

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:DIP READER INFORMATION

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I figure there's more people than you think who read.

Jaslandia, Commonwealth Of Californian States

Kalaron wrote:I figure there's more people than you think who read.

^

Unfallious wrote:The USCS isn't very comparable to the Soviet Union because the 3 states involved retain a lot of autonomy. I'd probably say it's a more intimate EU.

Still, you could make it into a state with massive local autonomy; it'd look nice on the map and be a very interesting turn for the geopolitics of the world.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:DIP READER INFORMATION

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Thanks for your cooperation and your loyalty.

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Peng I read it everyday

Jaslandia

Baxten wrote:Still, you could make it into a state with massive local autonomy; it'd look nice on the map and be a very interesting turn for the geopolitics of the world.

speaking of geopolitics, before the most recent map change, I had theoretical dominion, for serious lack of a better word, over Gran Colombia instead of Colombia and Panama, If I happened to just, streeeeeeeeaaaaaaatchhh my boarders around the shoulders of these neighbors of mine, and, ahem, never let go :P would that be acceptable, especially considering that no one has claimed those zones and I could state that, theoretically, the indigenous are ethnic Andrealls...

[This is purely hypothetical and a personal thing, If it won't work I'd be fine :P so don't get TRIGGERED]

Minnesota Dakota

Andromitus wrote:speaking of geopolitics, before the most recent map change, I had theoretical dominion, for serious lack of a better word, over Gran Colombia instead of Colombia and Panama, If I happened to just, streeeeeeeeaaaaaaatchhh my boarders around the shoulders of these neighbors of mine, and, ahem, never let go :P would that be acceptable, especially considering that no one has claimed those zones and I could state that, theoretically, the indigenous are ethnic Andrealls...

[This is purely hypothetical and a personal thing, If it won't work I'd be fine :P so don't get TRIGGERED]

I am gonna get triggered by you saying triggered.

Andromitus wrote:speaking of geopolitics, before the most recent map change, I had theoretical dominion, for serious lack of a better word, over Gran Colombia instead of Colombia and Panama, If I happened to just, streeeeeeeeaaaaaaatchhh my boarders around the shoulders of these neighbors of mine, and, ahem, never let go :P would that be acceptable, especially considering that no one has claimed those zones and I could state that, theoretically, the indigenous are ethnic Andrealls...

[This is purely hypothetical and a personal thing, If it won't work I'd be fine :P so don't get TRIGGERED]

No appeasment. Look, I would do that but I denied one person already; gotta be fair.

[B]FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANNOUNCEMENT

Embassies with GR will be closing with the President's approval. The reasons are that they have a CTE founder, and only 1 known active member, let alone only 6 within the region. We will always respect them, but we do not need embassies any longer.

Baxten wrote:No appeasment. Look, I would do that but I denied one person already; gotta be fair.

fair enough :D

Oelesa wrote:[B]FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANNOUNCEMENT

Embassies with GR will be closing with the President's approval. The reasons are that they have a CTE founder, and only 1 known active member, let alone only 6 within the region. We will always respect them, but we do not need embassies any longer.

But they're like, our longest and most loyal ally? The best way to respect them is to surely keep embassies open even if they are in terminal decline.

Sulania

Unfallious wrote:But they're like, our longest and most loyal ally? The best way to respect them is to surely keep embassies open even if they are in terminal decline.

Seriously though, total bullshit.

Oelesa wrote:[B]FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANNOUNCEMENT

Embassies with GR will be closing with the President's approval. The reasons are that they have a CTE founder, and only 1 known active member, let alone only 6 within the region. We will always respect them, but we do not need embassies any longer.

Respectfully, I think it might be better to keep it since they're akin to our Sister Region, they might not be active but it's worth respecting our friends, no?

Sulania, Minnesota Dakota

Unfallious wrote:But they're like, our longest and most loyal ally? The best way to respect them is to surely keep embassies open even if they are in terminal decline.

You mean keep embassies open for one guy kinda pointless.

Oelesa wrote:You mean keep embassies open for one guy kinda pointless.

We haven't had practical relations with these guys since 2014 when Julto decided to peace out. Never once have we ever thought of closing our embassies with them and the fact you'd do it like it was nothing on your first damn day no less is nothing short of an insult to their legacy.

Minnesota Dakota

Oelesa wrote:You mean keep embassies open for one guy kinda pointless.

It's a matter of respect and tradition, in my view.

They've been our friends for years, the head member is a friend to almost everyone here and from a personal and historical basis, it is quite the good idea to preserve embassies.

Besides, the embassy system is -itself- kinda pointless.

Baxten, Sulania, Minnesota Dakota

Unfallious wrote:We haven't had practical relations with these guys since 2014 when Julto decided to peace out. Never once have we ever thought of closing our embassies with them and the fact you'd do it like it was nothing on your first damn day no less is nothing short of an insult to their legacy.

Hell, I was making tongue-in-cheek factbooks about these guys being dead 2 years ago.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=337743

Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Unfallious wrote:But they're like, our longest and most loyal ally? The best way to respect them is to surely keep embassies open even if they are in terminal decline.

I don't normally agree with Un on much, but this is one of those time.

Oelesa wrote:You mean keep embassies open for one guy kinda pointless.

Mmmm.... MMMMMmmmmm.... Yeah keeping one embassy open, that literally requires zero effort beyond not clicking the "Close Embassy" button, is such a drag on the Foreign Ministry. You say pointless, I say that's a spit in the face of the long standing relationship between the CFN Community and the GR, or "one guy" (Alruniea, in case you forgot.).

Kalaron

Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

Oelesa wrote:Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

Still beyond stupid that it's happening, like, just as pointless not too.

Unfallious wrote:Hell, I was making tongue-in-cheek factbooks about these guys being dead 2 years ago.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=337743

Tongue and cheek would be giving your mouth too much credit

Sulania wrote:I don't normally agree with Un on much, but this is one of those time.

Mmmm.... MMMMMmmmmm.... Yeah keeping one embassy open, that literally requires zero effort beyond not clicking the "Close Embassy" button, is such a drag on the Foreign Ministry. You say pointless, I say that's a spit in the face of the long standing relationship between the CFN Community and the GR, or "one guy" (Alruniea, in case you forgot.).

Oelesa wrote:Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

Hi yi yi...

Continental Commonwealths, Minnesota Dakota

Unfallious wrote:We haven't had practical relations with these guys since 2014 when Julto decided to peace out. Never once have we ever thought of closing our embassies with them and the fact you'd do it like it was nothing on your first damn day no less is nothing short of an insult to their legacy.

I've really gotta agree with Unf here. You're (I'm talking to Oel) a respected statesmen with much experience, but I don't think you totally understand how close we've been to GR, and I especially don't think Lat knows. I don't mean this in a demeaning way, but they've been by us through pretty much everything and I don't think you realize that. Closing the embassy is as pointless as you think keeping it is.

Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths

Oelesa wrote:Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

I swear if [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] does this, I'll seriously consider trying to impeach him. This would be going directly against the people, which is a power that president should not have

Sulania, Vista Major, Kalaron, Minnesota Dakota

Oelesa wrote:Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

We should poll it if people might be upset.

Baxten, Vista Major

Baxten wrote:I've really gotta agree with Unf here. You're (I'm talking to Oel) a respected statesmen with much experience, but I don't think you totally understand how close we've been to GR, and I especially don't think Lat knows. I don't mean this in a demeaning way, but they've been by us through pretty much everything and I don't think you realize that. Closing the embassy is as pointless as you think keeping it is.

Nevermind. Reading through comments, I see this is pretty much solely Lat. Sorry for the harsh tone, Oel; meant solely for Lat now.

Vista Major

Baxten wrote:I swear if [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] does this, I'll seriously consider trying to impeach him. This would be going directly against the people, which is a power that president should not have

#NewAdministration

Baxten, Vista Major

Baxten wrote:I swear if [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] does this, I'll seriously consider trying to impeach him. This would be going directly against the people, which is a power that president should not have

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/realimpeach.jpg

Minnesota Dakota wrote:We should poll it if people might be upset.

http://all-len-all.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/draft_lens17974231module150704329photo_1307559869gif_voting700.gif

Minnesota Dakota wrote:#NewAdministration

Would have been a good time to remind people that I'm still running for Prez, but the wounds are still fresh

Vista Major wrote:Would have been a good time to remind people that I'm still running for Prez, but the wounds are still fresh

#Vis4Prez

Vista Major

This is grounds for a revolution!

Jaslandia, Sulania, Vista Major, Minnesota Dakota

Alruniea wrote:This is grounds for a revolution!

Indeed. Hey, we can move to GR.

Vista Major

Alruniea wrote:This is grounds for a revolution!

Vive la liberté!

Vista Major

Oelesa wrote:Didn't say is was hard or harmful. Just pointless. Support it or not, unless Lat says otherwise. It's what's happening.

Oh, and he will definitely hear about it.

Vista Major

Baxten wrote:Indeed. Hey, we can move to GR.

No no, we move to much.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Oh, the hostile verbosity. I understand the disagreement with the closing of the embassy, and I actually agree that it's frivolous to do so given the sorry state of our embassy system as it currently exists and that such an action lacks proper consideration for our (multi) regional history.

But good God, the rhetoric we seem to fall back on. No one is shaming legacies, spitting in anyone's face, disgracing your houses, or bringing dishonour upon your kin and livestock.

They're trying to bring a system of purpose to our foreign affairs that presumably favours some measure of effectiveness over tradition. Again, I disagree with this approach- I see the merit of retaining relations with GR and Al. But can we have disagreement without us acting as though we've experienced the most foul of betrayals.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oh, the hostile verbosity. I understand the disagreement with the closing of the embassy, and I actually agree that it's frivolous to do so given the sorry state of our embassy system as it currently exists and that such an action lacks proper consideration for our (multi) regional history.

But good God, the rhetoric we seem to fall back on. No one is shaming legacies, spitting in anyone's face, disgracing your houses, or bringing dishonour upon your kin and livestock.

They're trying to bring a system of purpose to our foreign affairs that presumably favours some measure of effectiveness over tradition. Again, I disagree with this approach- I see the merit of retaining relations with GR and Al. But can we have disagreement without us acting as though we've experienced the most foul of betrayals.

Well, I'd actually argue that it is kinda insulting to close the embassy with a longstanding history of being our friend.

There is a binary here, actually...either Lat knew, or didn't know. If Lat didn't know, then I gotta wonder why Oel -A dude who's been here much longer than I- wouldn't inform him of the fact that this region has been with us through three different Regions, and if Lat does know, then I have to assume that he doesn't care for the shared history and culture of the CoFN.

Furthermore, Embassies wouldn't be effected at all by retaining this one region on the role anymore than they would benefit from taking it off....that is...it wouldn't have a net shift at all because this doesn't harm it at all.

So, frankly, it is kinda insulting to the history of the CoFN, and it is a bit of a slap in the face to people who happen to be our friends with the sole reasoning of "It's pointless".

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oh, the hostile verbosity. I understand the disagreement with the closing of the embassy, and I actually agree that it's frivolous to do so given the sorry state of our embassy system as it currently exists and that such an action lacks proper consideration for our (multi) regional history.

But good God, the rhetoric we seem to fall back on. No one is shaming legacies, spitting in anyone's face, disgracing your houses, or bringing dishonour upon your kin and livestock.

They're trying to bring a system of purpose to our foreign affairs that presumably favours some measure of effectiveness over tradition. Again, I disagree with this approach- I see the merit of retaining relations with GR and Al. But can we have disagreement without us acting as though we've experienced the most foul of betrayals.

So I see you don't understand the situation. I'm fine if we close it according to the people's will. Severely dissapointed, but I'd accept it. However, Lat is trying to, at least to my understanding, override the democratic process and close the embassy, no questions asked. As a Justice, I know you want to follow the law to the tee. However, is the law what should most important, or is it what's just (in this case, the will of the people)

Kalaron wrote:-snip-

Did someone perform the Black Sacrament? I swear someone performed the Black Sacrament.

My god people. It's a game, the region isn't falling apart by a single act against a region with one slightly active person.

You all do what you have. Don't go blaming Lat though, all he did was sign off, I pushed it. I did what I felt was right, and to me, doing what is right does not always fall in line with popular opinion. So hate ne for it, but I care less about my poltical standing in the CFN, and more about moving forward from the past.

That's all I have to say on that. Agree to disagree.

Dark Brotherhood Cfn wrote:Did someone perform the Black Sacrament? I swear someone performed the Black Sacrament.

*Raises hand*

Kalaron wrote:Well, I'd actually argue that it is kinda insulting to close the embassy with a longstanding history of being our friend.

There is a binary here, actually...either Lat knew, or didn't know. If Lat didn't know, then I gotta wonder why Oel -A dude who's been here much longer than I- wouldn't inform him of the fact that this region has been with us through three different Regions, and if Lat does know, then I have to assume that he doesn't care for the shared history and culture of the CoFN.

Furthermore, Embassies wouldn't be effected at all by retaining this one region on the role anymore than they would benefit from taking it off....that is...it wouldn't have a net shift at all because this doesn't harm it at all.

So, frankly, it is kinda insulting to the history of the CoFN, and it is a bit of a slap in the face to people who happen to be our friends with the sole reasoning of "It's pointless".

Sooo, you're saying we agree on everything, including the fact that it's "kinda insulting" (see: "lacks proper consideration"); we just don't agree on the intensity of the outrage that results from so, so many of our disagreements.

Baxten wrote:So I see you don't understand the situation. I'm fine if we close it according to the people's will. Severely dissapointed, but I'd accept it. However, Lat is trying to, at least to my understanding, override the democratic process and close the embassy, no questions asked. As a Justice, I know you want to follow the law to the tee. However, is the law what should most important, or is it what's just (in this case, the will of the people)

I'm... not a Justice.

Oelesa wrote:My god people. It's a game, the region isn't falling apart by a single act against a region with one slightly active person.

One annoying, unlikable slightly active person at that.

Kalaron

Sulania wrote:*Raises hand*

*Licks Sul's hand* Price, and target. Actually, just target.

Oelesa wrote:My god people. It's a game, the region isn't falling apart by a single act against a region with one slightly active person.

You all do what you have. Don't go blaming Lat though, all he did was sign off, I pushed it. I did what I felt was right, and to me, doing what is right does not always fall in line with popular opinion. So hate ne for it, but I care less about my poltical standing in the CFN, and more about moving forward from the past.

That's all I have to say on that. Agree to disagree.

And I telegrammed Lat asking him to reverse your decision.

Oelesa

Sulania wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, Sine. I'm sure things will turn up for ya, they always do for the Mad King.

One day

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Where dafuq have you been, child?

Dead as the day I was born

Alruniea wrote:One annoying, unlikable slightly active person at that.

I like you man, believe that if anything.

Dark Brotherhood Cfn wrote:*Licks Sul's hand* Price, and target. Actually, just target.

I have multiple, and you can have all of my DB memorabilia for their... elimination, if that suits you.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Sooo, you're saying we agree on everything, including the fact that it's "kinda insulting" (see: "lacks proper consideration"); we just don't agree on the intensity of the outrage that results from so, so many of our disagreements.

I'm... not a Justice.

Wait seriously? Man, where have I been. Still, you do understand what I'm saying. I'm not here to convince; I just wanna show you my point of view and the point of view of others in a calm, not argument-y way.

Sulania wrote:I have multiple, and you can have all of my DB memorabilia for their... elimination, if that suits you.

DEAL!!!

Whats about Balkans I heard?

Sulania wrote:And I telegrammed Lat asking him to reverse your decision.

Good, I want you to do what you feel is right as well.

No hard feelings from me if my way doesnt come through.

Baxten wrote:Wait seriously? Man, where have I been. Still, you do understand what I'm saying. I'm not here to convince; I just wanna show you my point of view and the point of view of others in a calm, not argument-y way.

I've never been a Justice in this whooole region; never had a political office.

"calm, not argument-y way". I'm with you 1000%

Sinovet wrote:Whats about Balkans I heard?

Baltic. The Baltic region is available, and I'm sure Unf would let you in his socialist union.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Sooo, you're saying we agree on everything, including the fact that it's "kinda insulting" (see: "lacks proper consideration"); we just don't agree on the intensity of the outrage that results from so, so many of our disagreements.

I'm... not a Justice.

Proper consideration not being given could mean anything from a lack of knowledge to an accident, it lacks the connotation that "insult" carries, which is kinda why people feel angered by this while you don't.

People feel angry and I'm afraid that people do -thus- feel like a legacy is being attacked.

So...yeah.

Oelesa wrote:My god people. It's a game, the region isn't falling apart by a single act against a region with one slightly active person.

You all do what you have. Don't go blaming Lat though, all he did was sign off, I pushed it. I did what I felt was right, and to me, doing what is right does not always fall in line with popular opinion. So hate ne for it, but I care less about my poltical standing in the CFN, and more about moving forward from the past.

That's all I have to say on that. Agree to disagree.

I mean, I will post after you, yes.

This hardly moves us forward so much as it needlessly tries to cut our past out from us as though we'd be tarnished otherwise.

We had a thriving MoFA with GR in the roll before, so I don't believe we need to cut it to have one again.

Dark Brotherhood Cfn wrote:DEAL!!!

Okay, there is my 2nd Grade Teacher, my 7th Grade English Teacher, a man who drives a blue toyota camry who cut me off in traffic, and Valt.

Extra memorabilia of your choice if you make the final one extra painful.

Kalaron

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I've never been a Justice in this whooole region; never had a political office.

"calm, not argument-y way". I'm with you 1000%

I must had a recurring dream with you being a Justice. But yea, we need to deal with this in a calm manner. I mainly did that for jokes (however I really will go ahead with impeachment if he doesn't consult the people i.e. let them vote).

GR is a dead region with nobody of note we should close the embassy.

Oelesa

Sulania wrote:Okay, there is my 2nd Grade Teacher, my 7th Grade English Teacher, a man who drives a blue toyota camry who cut me off in traffic, and Valt.

Extra memorabilia of your choice if you make the final one extra painful.

The first 3 are going to be hard. It will take many years. However I shall assure you they will all die.

The final one, I will work on it.

Baxten wrote:Baltic. The Baltic region is available, and I'm sure Unf would let you in his socialist union.

Oh. What bits of the Baltic. Baltics a bit cold for the mad king, would hve to be a fair bit of land

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oh, the hostile verbosity. I understand the disagreement with the closing of the embassy, and I actually agree that it's frivolous to do so given the sorry state of our embassy system as it currently exists and that such an action lacks proper consideration for our (multi) regional history.

But good God, the rhetoric we seem to fall back on. No one is shaming legacies, spitting in anyone's face, disgracing your houses, or bringing dishonour upon your kin and livestock.

They're trying to bring a system of purpose to our foreign affairs that presumably favours some measure of effectiveness over tradition. Again, I disagree with this approach- I see the merit of retaining relations with GR and Al. But can we have disagreement without us acting as though we've experienced the most foul of betrayals.

This is this needle that broke the camel's already frail back

Oelesa

Alruniea wrote:GR is a dead region with nobody of note we should close the embassy.

What are you going to do, Runiea? Will you be staying behind there, or will you migrate here or to another region?

Kalaron wrote:Proper consideration not being given could mean anything from a lack of knowledge to an accident, it lacks the connotation that "insult" carries, which is kinda why people feel angered by this while you don't.

People feel angry and I'm afraid that people do -thus- feel like a legacy is being attacked.

So...yeah.

You really need me to quote the rest of the sentence for you? Let me grab a spoon.

"...lacks proper consideration for our (multi) regional history."

ViolĂ . Similar connotation. Not considering our past experiences together. Gives us an ouchy. Do iPhone emojis work on this? There's no simple emoticon that shows the rolling of eyes well.

Alruniea wrote:GR is a dead region with nobody of note we should close the embassy.

I was telling Baxten how I believe history and friendships don't live through names or places, they live through those that remember. I respect you Al, I respect everything you've done. That I'll remember, we don't need a region with a name to honor our history together. And we don't need an empty name taking up space. You are somebody to note, and we won't forget you, with or without the name of your region.

Baxten wrote:I must had a recurring nightmare with you being a Justice. But yea, we need to deal with this in a calm manner. I mainly did that for jokes (however I really will go ahead with impeachment if he doesn't consult the people i.e. let them vote).

Fixed

Jaslandia

Hey you know what. The Mad King is a bit of a francophile. He should set up shop in good old numba 4 up in that Map

Vista Major

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