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Kalaron wrote:You've both seriously missed the point. It's not that the actions are one and the same, it's that if you attack someone, the person who agrees with them to an extent tends to interpret it as an attack on themselves. It's the basis of Jujitsu Politics. The actions aren't the same, but you certainly didn't ask for that. You asked for examples of radicalization happening from an attack on the interpreted "group".

Furthermore, it sorta is attacking people tbh. You are punishing someone for their opinion and however hateful it legitimately has no basis on whether it's an attack or not. Furthermore, the alternative is to crackdown on the "speaking rights" of the person and radicalize yet more people who were previously passive. Waiting does let shootings happen, radicalizing people makes it happen though so it's a moot point there. I refer you to my previous point, I can't beat hate out of you and the state couldn't either. At best you delay the shooting and at worst you've made five more happen where previously the folks were just stupid trolls.

So we should never criticize other people's hateful opinions out of fear of radicalizing them?

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:So we should never criticize other people's hateful opinions out of fear of radicalizing them?

Yeah. I'm so scared of hurting the feelings of a person who wants to exterminate an entire race or social group.

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:The British Cons claim to be liberal conservatives but they really aren't lol

"Liberal conservatism incorporates the classical liberal view of minimal government intervention in the economy, according to which individuals should be free to participate in the market and generate wealth without government interference.[2] However, individuals cannot be thoroughly depended on to act responsibly in other spheres of life, therefore liberal conservatives believe that a strong state is necessary to ensure law and order and social institutions are needed to nurture a sense of duty and responsibility to the nation.[2] It is a political position which also supports civil liberties along with some social conservative positions and is usually regarded as a centre-right ideology. In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."

That sounds a lot like most Western conservative parties. A liberal really is just someone who believes in the ideals of the Enlightenment, liberal democracy, and the rule of law. Most people today are liberals.

Gualimole wrote:"Liberal conservatism incorporates the classical liberal view of minimal government intervention in the economy, according to which individuals should be free to participate in the market and generate wealth without government interference.[2] However, individuals cannot be thoroughly depended on to act responsibly in other spheres of life, therefore liberal conservatives believe that a strong state is necessary to ensure law and order and social institutions are needed to nurture a sense of duty and responsibility to the nation.[2] It is a political position which also supports civil liberties along with some social conservative positions and is usually regarded as a centre-right ideology. In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."

That sounds a lot like most Western conservative parties. A liberal really is just someone who believes in the ideals of the Enlightenment, liberal democracy, and the rule of law. Most people today are liberals.

The British Cons are not socially liberal. The majority of them are socially authoritarian. The only reason gay marriage was legalised in England was because other parties in Parliament voted for it. The majority of Tory MPs voted against it. The same thing happened in Scotland.

Nuremgard wrote:The British Cons are not socially liberal. The majority of them are socially authoritarian. The only reason gay marriage was legalised in England was because other parties in Parliament voted for it. The majority of Tory MPs voted against it. The same thing happened in Scotland.

"In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."

Wasn't Cameron's government pretty socially liberal when compared to the governments of other Tories?

Gualimole wrote:So we should never criticize other people's hateful opinions out of fear of radicalizing them?

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah. I'm so scared of hurting the feelings of a person who wants to exterminate an entire race or social group.

Criticizing is not the same as illegalizing?

If you read my prior posts, I never say "You should never say they're wrong".

Gualimole wrote:"In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."

Wasn't Cameron's government pretty socially liberal when compared to the governments of other Tories?

No. Just because he and some of his ministers were socially liberal does not make his party socially liberal. Like I said, the majority of Tory MPs were anti-gay marriage.

Kalaron wrote:Criticizing is not the same as illegalizing?

If you read my prior posts, I never say "You should never say they're wrong".

Someone advocating genocide needs to be arrested and locked away, not simply told off. If that makes other bigots feel "under attack" then tough titty.

Gualimole

Kalaron wrote:Criticizing is not the same as illegalizing?

If you read my prior posts, I never say "You should never say they're wrong".

"if you attack someone, the person who agrees with them to an extent tends to interpret it as an attack on themselves."

You certainly were implying it.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:"if you attack someone, the person who agrees with them to an extent tends to interpret it as an attack on themselves."

You certainly were implying it.

This is totally unrelated but it just came to my mind there.

The other day you mentioned an election was coming up in Iraq. What party, if any, do you think should win and why?

Nuremgard wrote:This is totally unrelated but it just came to my mind there.

The other day you mentioned an election was coming up in Iraq. What party, if any, do you think should win and why?

All of the major choices are horrible. Maliki is extremely corrupt and his sectarianism will likely bring forth a second civil war in Iraq, Abadi is far too friendly to Iranian interests in the country, and the Sadrists are too clericalist and are too nationalistic for my liking. Out of the three major choices, Abadi's Victory Front is the least worst choice in the elections that are coming up in Iraq.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:All of the major choices are horrible. Maliki is extremely corrupt and his sectarianism will likely bring forth a second civil war in Iraq, Abadi is far too friendly to Iranian interests in the country, and the Sadrists are too clericalist and are too nationalistic for my liking. Out of the three major choices, Abadi's Victory Front is the least worst choice in the elections that are coming up in Iraq.

I'm always interested to hear your take on Middle Eastern affairs. I wanted to do a class on conflict in the Middle East but I couldn't. It clashed with my research classes unfortunately.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm always interested to hear your take on Middle Eastern affairs. I wanted to do a class on conflict in the Middle East but I couldn't. It clashed with my research classes unfortunately.

I really don't know much about Middle Eastern affairs. Especially since my Arabic is horrible when I rarely ever have to write it or speak it in the US. American politics is my "expertise".

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:I really don't know much about Middle Eastern affairs. Especially since my Arabic is horrible when I rarely ever have to write it or speak it in the US. American politics is my "expertise".

What do you think about pan-Arab nationalism?

Gualimole wrote:"if you attack someone, the person who agrees with them to an extent tends to interpret it as an attack on themselves."

You certainly were implying it.

Not really, you'll note that I only ever used "Attack" to mean "Punishing someone with punitive force". You might have interpreted it that way, but my other posts should have disillusioned you to it.

Nuremgard wrote:Someone advocating genocide needs to be arrested and locked away, not simply told off. If that makes other bigots feel "under attack" then tough titty.

And then the folks who share a few ideas with bigots feel attacked, and then folks who share ideas with those folks feel attacked, and it keeps spreading because we're not just talking about bigots but literally people who share a degree of ideas with them. It's a spreading problem that breeds as you react in extreme ways like legalistically attacking people. Hence the problem there with keeping it from spreading.

Again, the core of the problem is the target, not the symptoms.

Nuremgard wrote:What do you think about pan-Arab nationalism?

It shouldn't exist. An Arab in Morocco likely has more in common with someone from Spain than someone in Iraq. The Arab World simply is too diverse economically, culturally, historically, and religiously to unite in any way, and unite did Arab leaders try and fail to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Arab_Republics

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:What do you think about pan-Arab nationalism?

I'm also not Arab, so the idea of a united Arab state is a bit scary for me as an Assyrian.

Gualimole wrote:It shouldn't exist. An Arab in Morocco likely has more in common with someone from Spain than someone in Iraq. The Arab World simply is too diverse economically, culturally, historically, and religiously to unite in any way, and unite did Arab leaders try and fail to do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Arab_Republics

It's an interesting idea though. Would make for a cool NS country.

Kalaron wrote:Not really, you'll note that I only ever used "Attack" to mean "Punishing someone with punitive force". You might have interpreted it that way, but my other posts should have disillusioned you to it.

Please don't turn this into a debate about semantics.

Gualimole wrote:I'm also not Arab, so the idea of a united Arab state is a bit scary for me as an Assyrian.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I thought you were Arab.

Nuremgard wrote:It's an interesting idea though. Would make for a cool NS country.

So is the idea of a united kingdom made up of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland.

https://t2.rbxcdn.com/6993954438571d7f8d43cccee87150ca

Jaslandia

Gualimole wrote:Please don't turn this into a debate about semantics.

*Shrug*

It's more that I disagree with you on whether I implied it or not, honestly. But I'll digress either way.

Gualimole wrote:So is the idea of a united kingdom made up of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland.

https://t2.rbxcdn.com/6993954438571d7f8d43cccee87150ca

Well as an avowed Scots nationalist, even I can admit there is some logical basis for a United Kingdom.

Kalaron wrote:*Shrug*

It's more that I disagree with you on whether I implied it or not, honestly. But I'll digress either way.

*Shurg*

And thus, this "debate" came to an end as everyone decided to shrug, and if Nurem refuses to shrug, nothing will happen to him.

Nuremgard wrote:Well as an avowed Scots nationalist, even I can admit there is some logical basis for a United Kingdom.

Kingdom? What year are we in?

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:So is the idea of a united kingdom made up of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland.

https://t2.rbxcdn.com/6993954438571d7f8d43cccee87150ca

Do you believe Assyrians should have their own state or do you think they should assimilate into modern states with autonomy?

Gualimole wrote:Kingdom? What year are we in?

2018 but sadly Brits wont cut the monarchical umbilical cord.

Nuremgard wrote:Do you believe Assyrians should have their own state or do you think they should assimilate into modern states with autonomy?

I would only support an independent Assyrian state in case of an independent Kurdish state that encompassed the traditional Assyrian homeland. But if that were to not happen, then I would only support autonomy for the traditional Assyrian homeland. I'm not much of an Assyrian nationalist considering our violent history that arguably made the Middle East the mess it is today.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:I would only support an independent Assyrian state in case of an independent Kurdish state that encompassed the traditional Assyrian homeland. But if that were to not happen, then I would only support autonomy for the traditional Assyrian homeland. I'm not much of an Assyrian nationalist considering our violent history that arguably made the Middle East the mess it is today.

Fair enough. Cheers for answering.

Nuremgard wrote:Fair enough. Cheers for answering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

Gualimole wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

Why did the Ottomans hate the Assyrians so much?

Nuremgard wrote:Why did the Ottomans hate the Assyrians so much?

They thought we would side with the Russians during WWI because most Assyrians are Christian. Not only that, but the Young Turks who were at power at the time didn't care much for the multicultural nature of the Ottoman Empire and wanted to imposed Turkish ideas, traditions, and culture on the Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Mandeans, Druze, Yazidis, and various other people groups in the empire.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Why did the Ottomans hate the Assyrians so much?

Blame the Young Turks for radicalizing on the "Ottoman Empire for Turks" concept

Chernarus State wrote:Blame the Young Turks for radicalizing on the "Ottoman Empire for Turks" concept

I read this and immediately thought of the News Network. lol :P

Jaslandia

Gualimole wrote:They thought we would side with the Russians during WWI because most Assyrians are Christian. Not only that, but the Young Turks who were at power at the time didn't care much for the multicultural nature of the Ottoman Empire and wanted to imposed Turkish ideas, traditions, and culture on the Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Mandeans, Druze, Yazidis, and various other people groups in the empire.

Ah, I see. I wonder if the Ottomans had treated minorities equally and with respect, the Empire might have survived for a bit longer.

Chernarus State wrote:Blame the Young Turks for radicalizing on the "Ottoman Empire for Turks" concept

So the liberal newscasters the Young Turks are named after radicals in the Ottoman Empire.

All righty then.

Jaslandia

Sulania wrote:I read this and immediately thought of the News Network. lol :P

It makes sense when you consider how Cenk used to deny the Armenian Genocide.

Nuremgard wrote:So the liberal newscasters the Young Turks are named after radicals in the Ottoman Empire.

All righty then.

But those radicals were liberal radicals, so it makes sense.

Gualimole wrote:It makes sense when you consider how Cenk used to deny the Armenian Genocide.

What a dick.

Nuremgard wrote:What a dick.

He also made some sexist statements in the 90s.

Gualimole wrote:But those radicals were liberal radicals, so it makes sense.

They were democrats right? They wanted to make the monarchy constitutional or get rid of it altogether.

Gualimole wrote:He also made some sexist statements in the 90s.

I'd say the Armenian remarks are worse lol

Gualimole wrote:It makes sense when you consider how Cenk used to deny the Armenian Genocide.

He still has difficulties in admitting to it and tends to gush on the positive aspects of the Empire while downplaying it.

Sulania wrote:I read this and immediately thought of the News Network. lol :P

Nuremgard wrote:So the liberal newscasters the Young Turks are named after radicals in the Ottoman Empire.

All righty then.

Cenk is a c*nt

Nuremgard wrote:Ah, I see. I wonder if the Ottomans had treated minorities equally and with respect, the Empire might have survived for a bit longer.

What's interesting is seeing the Ottoman Empire collapsing without European intervention. What new countries would come out of that?

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:What's interesting is seeing the Ottoman Empire collapsing without European intervention. What new countries would come out of that?

I wish we could go back in time and let the Empire collapse naturally. Or go back and have the British and French honour their promise of a united Arab state.

Nuremgard wrote:They were democrats right? They wanted to make the monarchy constitutional or get rid of it altogether.

They wanted the former, but not the latter. And it's important to note that the Ottomans were liberalizing even before the Young Turks came into power.

Chernarus State wrote:He still has difficulties in admitting to it and tends to gush on the positive aspects of the Empire while downplaying it.

I don't blame him. When you're raised in a country where journalists get arrested for stating that the Armenian Genocide is a genocide, it's not hard to see a Turk raised in that kind of system denying the genocide.

Nuremgard, Chernarus State

Gualimole wrote:They wanted the former, but not the latter. And it's important to note that the Ottomans were liberalizing even before the Young Turks came into power.

I don't blame him. When you're raised in a country where journalists get arrested for stating that the Armenian Genocide is a genocide, it's not hard to see a Turk raised in that kind of system denying the genocide.

Yeah I knew the Empire had been liberalising and reforming for years before that in a desperate attempt to maintain the territorial integrity of the state. I was quite amazed that a Muslim empire legalised homosexuality in the 1800s.

Chernarus State wrote:He still has difficulties in admitting to it and tends to gush on the positive aspects of the Empire while downplaying it.

Cenk is a c*nt

I used to watch TYT occasionally in the past.

Nuremgard wrote:They were democrats right? They wanted to make the monarchy constitutional or get rid of it altogether.

They desired a constitutional government that restricted the powers of the monarchy. After 1911, the group split between the Committee of Union and Progress and the Freedom and Accord Party - FAP was the liberal, pro-decentralized sect and CUP was the nationalist, pro-centralization sect. After the Raid on the Sublime Port in 1913, that following rigged elections in favor of CUP and a revolt by FAP officers in 1912, CUP held power as the Three Pashas, the guys responsible for Ottoman entry into WW1 and the genocides (luckily they got their just desserts from several Armenians in 1921 and 1922).

Nuremgard

Chernarus State wrote:They desired a constitutional government that restricted the powers of the monarchy. After 1911, the group split between the Committee of Union and Progress and the Freedom and Accord Party - FAP was the liberal, pro-decentralized sect and CUP was the nationalist, pro-centralization sect. After the Raid on the Sublime Port in 1913, that following rigged elections in favor of CUP and a revolt by FAP officers in 1912, CUP held power as the Three Pashas, the guys responsible for Ottoman entry into WW1 and the genocides (luckily they got their just desserts from several Armenians in 1921 and 1922).

Well I am glad they got their comeuppance. They also didn't help their cause by backing the losing side in WWI. Obviously they couldn't have known the Central Powers would lose but still.

Chernarus State

Nuremgard wrote:Guys, look at this mural. Does it look anti-Semitic to you?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/antisemitism-open-your-eyes-jeremy-corbyn-labour#comments

The bearded guy on the left looks a bit Jewish, and the whole thing seems a bit tinfoily, but I wouldn't say anti-Semitic.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- National Something on a Stick Day (United States)

https://youtu.be/jSJQEl5vcAo

Unfallious wrote:Hammers are the definition of a blunt object.

That's my only contribution to this discussion

I imagine you would know all about hammers, you Commie b*stard.

jk

Gualimole wrote:So is the idea of a united kingdom made up of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland.

https://t2.rbxcdn.com/6993954438571d7f8d43cccee87150ca

It's Percyton!

Gualimole wrote:I would only support an independent Assyrian state in case of an independent Kurdish state that encompassed the traditional Assyrian homeland. But if that were to not happen, then I would only support autonomy for the traditional Assyrian homeland. I'm not much of an Assyrian nationalist considering our violent history that arguably made the Middle East the mess it is today.

You mean the ancient Assyrians? Because considering they were one of the first warmongers and first imperialists in history, you could legitimately make that claim (maybe).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Assyrian_Empire

Gualimole wrote:What's interesting is seeing the Ottoman Empire collapsing without European intervention. What new countries would come out of that?

I imagine the Middle East would have been more fractured, and maybe a brief period of warlordism while the dust settles, but without the artificial states imposed by the British and French, I imagine things would have turned out better in the long-run.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:I wish we could go back in time and let the Empire collapse naturally. Or go back and have the British and French honour their promise of a united Arab state.

https://i.imgur.com/o3jz0li.gif

Gualimole wrote:https://i.imgur.com/o3jz0li.gif

Hey. There's Shazria.

I'm doing top-down reforms to stop change and revolution coming from the bottom-up.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:

You mean the ancient Assyrians? Because considering they were one of the first warmongers and first imperialists in history, you could legitimately make that claim (maybe).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Assyrian_Empire

I was referring to the ancient Assyrians.

Jaslandia wrote:I imagine the Middle East would have been more fractured, and maybe a brief period of warlordism while the dust settles, but without the artificial states imposed by the British and French, I imagine things would have turned out better in the long-run.

That period of warlordism would've been especially violent in the tribalistic nightmares that are Arabia and Kurdistan.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Hey. There's Shazria.

I'm doing top-down reforms to stop change and revolution coming from the bottom-up.

Shazria?

Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:Shazria?

It's my Iran.

Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:

That period of warlordism would've been especially violent in the tribalistic nightmares that are Arabia and Kurdistan.

True. But, forgive if I'm being glib, those regions have been tribalistic for a while now (I can't speak for Kurdistan, but from what I know about the life of Muhammad and the Quran, the importance of clan and tribal ties go back to even before Muhammad and Islam), so they'd be used to it. And I think one or more stable states would emerge sooner or later from those messes.

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:True. But, forgive if I'm being glib, those regions have been tribalistic for a while now (I can't speak for Kurdistan, but from what I know about the life of Muhammad and the Quran, the importance of clan and tribal ties go back to even before Muhammad and Islam), so they'd be used to it. And I think one or more stable states would emerge sooner or later from those messes.

Let's just hope it's the Hashemites who come out in this timeline instead of the Saudis.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:What I like about old people is that they are always nice and grateful for help and every small gesture of respect and kindness. Sometimes I think they are the last respectful people existing.

I don't think that's true, Peng. I'm quoting one of those not-old respectful people now, for example.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

Famous Birthdays:

- 1515 – Teresa of Ávila, Spanish nun and saint

- 1862 – Aristide Briand, French politician, Prime Minister of France, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1868 – Maxim Gorky, Russian novelist, short story writer, and playwright

- 1897 – Sepp Herberger, German footballer and manager

- 1936 – Mario Vargas Llosa, Peruvian novelist, playwright, and essayist Nobel Prize laureate

- 1946 – Alejandro Toledo, Peruvian economist and politician, 48th President of Peru

- 1955 – Reba McEntire, American singer-songwriter, producer, and actress

- 1985 – Stanislas Wawrinka, Swiss tennis player

- 1986 – Lady Gaga, American singer-songwriter, dancer, producer, and actress

Doesn't seem to be a lot of famous birthdays today. But, that just makes those who do have a birthday today all the more special! Happy birthday, all you March 28thers!

Jaslandia wrote:It's Percyton!

It is. I always thought that face they made for me was kinda weird, but it's also kinda clever at the same time. Here's the context, for those of you who are wondering.

https://youtu.be/qbaeVpH7pE4?t=2m7s

Also, people seem to be fond of making 'memes' out of my model series faces, and I don't know why. Like, why are these 'memes'?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/946108100880171008/ehE7I7Ew_400x400.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/0/0f/Baa%2118.png/revision/latest?cb=20120507133600

But not these?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/9/99/WildWaterRescue19.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150618183602

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/c/c3/WildWaterRescue20.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160416233111

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/54/KingoftheRailway208.png/revision/latest?cb=20150526022658

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:Let's just hope it's the Hashemites who come out in this timeline instead of the Saudis.

What makes you think the Hashemites would be better?

Percyton wrote:

It is. I always thought that face they made for me was kinda weird, but it's also kinda clever at the same time. Here's the context, for those of you who are wondering.

https://youtu.be/qbaeVpH7pE4?t=2m7s

Also, people seem to be fond of making 'memes' out of my model series faces, and I don't know why. Like, why are these 'memes'?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/946108100880171008/ehE7I7Ew_400x400.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/0/0f/Baa%2118.png/revision/latest?cb=20120507133600

But not these?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/9/99/WildWaterRescue19.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150618183602

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/c/c3/WildWaterRescue20.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160416233111

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/54/KingoftheRailway208.png/revision/latest?cb=20150526022658

A lot of your TV series is meme material it seems. And don't worry, it's not just the model series. I've seen Dart's CGI face used a lot (especially as a profile pic), though I'm not sure why people gravitate toward Dart's face out of all characters.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/thomasthetankengineandfriends/images/2/21/Dart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111090618

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PFDyNszR7yw/maxresdefault.jpg

https://orig00.deviantart.net/8c89/f/2015/336/2/a/what_is_it_with_dart_s_face___meme__by_sergeant_sunflower-d9iuvw2.jpg

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:What makes you think the Hashemites would be better?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

Gualimole wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement

And you think the Hashemites could have resisted or weakened Salafism/Wahhabism?

Jaslandia wrote:And you think the Hashemites could have resisted or weakened Salafism/Wahhabism?

Yes.

Jaslandia

Gualimole wrote:Yes.

Fair enough. I know Salafism isn't a big problem in the one country where the Hashemites are still in power (Jordan), and since the Saudis were big-time promoters of Salafism and Wahhabism, anything would be better than them in that regard.

Gualimole

Jaslandia wrote:

A lot of your TV series is meme material it seems. And don't worry, it's not just the model series. I've seen Dart's CGI face used a lot (especially as a profile pic), though I'm not sure why people gravitate toward Dart's face out of all characters.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/thomasthetankengineandfriends/images/2/21/Dart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111090618

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PFDyNszR7yw/maxresdefault.jpg

https://orig00.deviantart.net/8c89/f/2015/336/2/a/what_is_it_with_dart_s_face___meme__by_sergeant_sunflower-d9iuvw2.jpg

Yeah, I mentioned that to Dart a little while back, because I had also seen a few profiles with his face. His reaction was basically the third picture you posted. He was happy to be famous, but was also really confused, and he wished he knew why he was famous.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Yeah, I mentioned that to Dart a little while back, because I had also seen a few profiles with his face. His reaction was basically the third picture you posted. He was happy to be famous, but was also really confused, and he wished he knew why he was famous.

According to the comments from that pic, it came from a Vinesauce video. Could be wrong, though, and I don't know the context.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Precisely. The line must be drawn somewhere. Because if it's not, you end up with the Holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms_WY0s_1XM&t=0m18s

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Ohhhh, I see. Kal suddenly thinks he’s a more trustworthy source for external links than Vista. I’m not sure if aircraft carrier porn exists, but if it does I know of no person who would more likely be into it than the gentleman quoted here.

Let me be clear. Unless you’re Jas, our loveable train friends, or- I dunno- the resurrected nation of Fibertas, you’ve basically got no chance of me opening your links.

What about me? I know I don't post links often, but when I do do they get a click?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

I lost a war to Serbia as Scotland in CK2 without Serbia ever sending a troop to Scotland.

Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Au Minbo wrote:What about me? I know I don't post links often, but when I do do they get a click?

I click them

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Hey guys,

(In order of deadlines)

Vote

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/70/court-international-law-justice-membership

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/69/chartered-organization-act

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/72/utopian-protections-act

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/71/parliamentary-titles-act

Ya killin’ me

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Good Day! Hope everyone has a good day!

Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw

The Chancellor's Public Schedule [I]29 March 2018

(All times Eastern. Subject to change.)

11:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Minister of Justice

18:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Speaker

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Mercunova wrote:Good Day! Hope everyone has a good day!

Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw

The Chancellor's Public Schedule [I]29 March 2018

(All times Eastern. Subject to change.)

11:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Minister of Justice

18:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Speaker

Conferences with Peng and I?!

You lucky dog, you.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Hey guys,

(In order of deadlines)

Vote

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/70/court-international-law-justice-membership

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/69/chartered-organization-act

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/72/utopian-protections-act

VOTE

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/71/parliamentary-titles-act

Ya killin’ me

I gotchua fam.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Conferences with Peng and I?!

You lucky dog, you.

Why is he lucky? Maybe I'm a pain in the a$$ when it comes to MoJ-ing?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Why is he lucky? Maybe I'm a pain in the a$$ when it comes to MoJ-ing?

Merc is a rampant masochist, so he’d probably enjoy you being a pain in thr ass.

If you were one. Which I refuse to believe you are.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton

Unfallious wrote:I lost a war to Serbia as Scotland in CK2 without Serbia ever sending a troop to Scotland.

Joins Ally's War, doesn't send any troops.

Ally joins my war, uses his soldiers as meat puppets to bolster my ranks.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Merc is a rampant masochist, so he’d probably enjoy you being a pain in thr ass.

If you were one. Which I refuse to believe you are.

Never say never. ;)

I just finished the Wikibox for Gualimole. How does it look?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gualimole/detail=factbook/id=997133

Percyton

Posting from the UNHQ! The WA bares a few similarities

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Never say never. ;)

You just said 'never' twice. Your argument is invalid. *insert smiley emoticon with tongue sticking out here*

Gualimole wrote:I just finished the Wikibox for Gualimole. How does it look?

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gualimole/detail=factbook/id=997133

Looks good. So I'm guessing Gualimole is based out of Southern California?

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Looks good. So I'm guessing Gualimole is based out of Southern California?

Thanks! Can you think of some ideas for the nation? The theme that I am thinking of is of a multicultural America with a demarchic political system.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Merc is a rampant masochist, so he’d probably enjoy you being a pain in thr ass

This also explains why I ran for chancellor

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:Thanks! Can you think of some ideas for the nation? The theme that I am thinking of is of a multicultural America with a demarchic political system.

Sounds like you're on the right track. Maybe you could expand about the racial politics of Gualimole, and how all the different groups get along?

Percyton, Gualimole

[spoiler=Today is March 29 and today are:]

Today is March 29 and today are:

- Boganda Day (Central African Republic)

- Commemoration of the 1947 Rebellion (Madagascar)

- Day of the Young Combatant (Chile)

- Knights of Columbus Founders Day

- Little Red Wagon Day

- Mahavir Jayanti (India)

- Maundy Thursday (Christianity)

- National Lemon Chiffon Cake Day (United States)

- National Mom and Pop Business Owners Day (United States)

- National Nevada Day (United States)

- National Vietnam War Veterans Day (United States)

- Smoke and Mirrors Day

- Youth Day (Taiwan)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0502 – King Gundobad issues a new legal code (Lex Burgundionum) at Lyon that makes Gallo-Romans and Burgundians subject to the same laws.

- 0845 – Paris is sacked by Viking raiders, probably under Ragnar Lodbrok, who collects a huge ransom in exchange for leaving.

- 1430 – The Ottoman Empire under Murad II captures Thessalonica from the Republic of Venice.

- 1461 – Wars of the Roses: Battle of Towton: Edward of York defeats Queen Margaret to become King Edward IV of England.

- 1500 – Cesare Borgia is given the title of Captain General and Gonfalonier by his father Rodrigo Borgia after returning from his conquests in the Romagna.

- 1549 – The city of Salvador da Bahia, the first capital of Brazil, is founded.

- 1632 – Treaty of Saint-Germain is signed returning Quebec to French control after the English had seized it in 1629.

- 1792 – King Gustav III of Sweden dies after being shot in the back at a midnight masquerade ball at Stockholm's Royal Opera 13 days earlier. He is succeeded by Gustav IV Adolf.

- 1806 – Construction is authorized of the Great National Pike, better known as the Cumberland Road, becoming the first United States federal highway.

- 1809 – King Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden abdicates after a coup d'état. At the Diet of Porvoo, Finland's four Estates pledge allegiance to Alexander I of Russia, commencing the secession of the Grand Duchy of Finland from Sweden.

- 1817 – King Louis XVIII of France plays boules against the British Prince Regent to celebrate the new alliance between the two nations following the Napoleonic Wars.

- 1831 – Great Bosnian uprising: Bosniaks rebel against Turkey.

- 1847 – Mexican–American War: United States forces led by General Winfield Scott take Veracruz after a siege.

- 1849 – The United Kingdom annexes the Punjab.

- 1857 – Sepoy Mangal Pandey of the 34th Regiment, Bengal Native Infantry mutinies against the East India Company's rule in India and inspires the protracted Indian Rebellion of 1857, also known as the Sepoy Mutiny.

- 1865 – American Civil War: Federal forces under Major General Philip Sheridan move to flank Confederate forces under Robert E. Lee as the Appomattox Campaign begins.

- 1867 – Queen Victoria gives Royal Assent to the British North America Act which establishes the Dominion of Canada on July 1.

- 1871 – Royal Albert Hall is opened by Queen Victoria.

- 1879 – Anglo-Zulu War: Battle of Kambula: British forces defeat 20,000 Zulus.

- 1882 – The Knights of Columbus are established.

- 1886 – John Pemberton brews the first batch of Coca-Cola in a backyard in Atlanta.

- 1911 – The M1911 .45 ACP pistol becomes the official U.S. Army side arm.

- 1930 – Heinrich Brüning is appointed German Reichskanzler.

- 1936 – In Germany, Adolf Hitler receives 99% of the votes in a referendum to ratify Germany's illegal remilitarization and reoccupation of the Rhineland, receiving 44.5 million votes out of 45.5 million registered voters.

- 1941 – The North American Regional Broadcasting Agreement goes into effect at 03:00 local time.

- 1941 – World War II: British Royal Navy and Royal Australian Navy forces defeat those of the Italian Regia Marina off the Peloponnesian coast of Greece in the Battle of Cape Matapan.

- 1942 – The Bombing of Lübeck in World War II is the first major success for the RAF Bomber Command against Germany and a German city.

- 1945 – World War II: Last day of V-1 flying bomb attacks on England.

- 1945 – World War II: The German 4th Army is almost destroyed by the Soviet Red Army.

- 1946 – Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México, one of Mexico's leading universities, is founded.

- 1947 – Malagasy Uprising against French colonial rule in Madagascar.

- 1951 – Ethel and Julius Rosenberg are convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage.

- 1957 – The New York, Ontario and Western Railway makes its final run, the first major U.S. railroad to be abandoned in its entirety.

- 1961 – The Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution is ratified, allowing residents of Washington, D.C., to vote in presidential elections.

- 1962 – Arturo Frondizi, the president of Argentina, is overthrown in a military coup by Argentina's armed forces, ending an 11½ day constitutional crisis.

- 1971 – My Lai Massacre: Lieutenant William Calley is convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison.

- 1973 – Vietnam War: The last United States combat soldiers leave South Vietnam.

- 1973 – Operation Barrel Roll, a covert American bombing campaign in Laos to stop communist infiltration of South Vietnam, ends.

- 1974 – NASA's Mariner 10 becomes the first space probe to fly by Mercury.

- 1982 – The Canada Act 1982 receives the Royal Assent from Queen Elizabeth II, setting the stage for the Queen of Canada to proclaim the Constitution Act, 1982.

- 1984 – The Baltimore Colts load its possessions onto fifteen Mayflower moving trucks in the early morning hours and transfer its operations to Indianapolis.

- 1990 – The Czechoslovak parliament is unable to reach an agreement on what to call the country after the fall of Communism, sparking the so-called Hyphen War.

- 1993 – Catherine Callbeck becomes premier of Prince Edward Island and the first woman to be elected in a general election as premier of a Canadian province.

- 1999 – The Dow Jones Industrial Average closes above the 10,000 mark (10,006.78) for the first time, during the height of the dot-com bubble.

- 1999 – A magnitude 6.8 earthquake in India strikes the Chamoli district in Uttar Pradesh, killing 103.

- 2002 – In reaction to the Passover massacre two days prior, Israel launches Operation Defensive Shield against Palestinian militants, its largest military operation in the West Bank since the 1967 Six-Day War.

- 2004 – Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia join NATO as full members.

- 2010 – Two suicide bombers hit the Moscow Metro system at the peak of the morning rush hour, killing 40.

- 2013 – At least 36 people are killed when a 16-floor building collapses in the commercial capital Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

- 2014 – The first same-sex marriages in England and Wales are performed.

- 2017 – The United Kingdom invokes Article 50, beginning the formal process of Brexit.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1735 – Johann Karl August Musäus, German author

- 1790 – John Tyler, American lawyer and politician, 10th President of the United States

- 1826 – Wilhelm Liebknecht, German journalist and politician, one of the founding fathers of the SPD

- 1889 – Warner Baxter, American actor

- 1895 – Ernst Jünger, German philosopher and author

- 1912 – Hanna Reitsch, Polish-German soldier and pilot

- 1918 – Sam Walton, American businessman, founded Walmart and Sam's Club

- 1939 – Terence Hill, Italian actor, director, and producer

- 1943 – Vangelis, Greek keyboard player and songwriter

- 1943 – John Major, English banker and politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom

- 1943 – Eric Idle, English actor and comedian

- 1949 – Michael Brecker, American saxophonist and composer

- 1955 – Brendan Gleeson, Irish actor

- 1967 – Michel Hazanavicius, French director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1976 – Jennifer Capriati, American tennis player

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Quote of the day

Originality is the art of concealing your source.

- Franklin P. Jones (American Journalist, 1908-1980) -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova, Percyton

To celebrate spring break, here's both a Factbook and RP update! ( http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/57/medieval-rp-ic?page=5&scrollTo=723 )

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Turns out my handsome GP that I have a crush on is actually gay and is moving to Australia with his husband this year.

Damn it.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Turns out my handsome GP that I have a crush on is actually gay and is moving to Australia with his husband this year.

Damn it.

How old are you?

Penguania And Antarctica

I think if the British public who voted Brexit break up the UK like polls are saying it might I'd never forgive them

Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:How old are you?

24

Yukona wrote:I think if the British public who voted Brexit break up the UK like polls are saying it might I'd never forgive them

The UK's had a good run. Three centuries is enough.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:24

I still have about 6 years until I feel bad about being a virgin.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Southern California?

*looks at map*

Lies.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:24

The UK's had a good run. Three centuries is enough.

Scotland had a good run. Nine centuries is enough.

Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:I still have about 6 years until I feel bad about being a virgin.

Shouldn't feel bad about being a virgin, full stop.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:I still have about 6 years until I feel bad about being a virgin.

Millenials, so melodramatic

Nuremgard wrote:Shouldn't feel bad about being a virgin, full stop.

This guy gets it

Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Scotland had a good run. Nine centuries is enough.

I see what you did there.

Don't worry. I have a feeling most Scots don't have the stomach for independence. They're too used to the Westminster tit.

Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Yukona wrote:Scotland had a good run. Nine centuries is enough.

The British Isles have had a good run. 2.7 billion years is enough.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Shouldn't feel bad about being a virgin, full stop.

I'm just joking around.

Penguania And Antarctica

Mercunova wrote:The British Isles have had a good run. 2.7 billion years is enough.

The universe has had a good run. 13.7 billion years is enough.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Mercunova wrote:The British Isles have had a good run. 2.7 billion years is enough.

The Irish would take offence to that term.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

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