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Friedensreich wrote:Do you know what the difference is between a militia and a single guy?

Because your adamancy to try being snarky proves you don't.

Here's the definition of militia: "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."

Here's the definition of individual:

"1.

a single human being as distinct from a group, class, or family.

"boat trips for parties and individuals""

See: *as distinct from a group, class, or family*

See: *a single human being*

Second Amendment text: "A well regulated Militia....."

Militia shows up! Not individual! Omagosh! :OO

Yes, but the people being called out bring their guns, making one able bodied person owning a gun in interest of a well regulated militia

Friedensreich wrote:Nope. That's not what it says, mane.

The first few words of it say nothing about private ownership in the sense we see it today:

"A well regulated Militia....."

See: *Well regulated Militia*, not *Personal Owner*

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-terms-arms-well-regulated-and-militia-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment/answer/Peter-Mark-Ramirez?srid=vmNC

Not trying to start an argument. Just sorta saying. This is an issue I am very well read upon.

The United Providences Of Perland

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Yes, but the people being called out bring their guns, making one able bodied person owning a gun in interest of a well regulated militia

But, the militia has the guns, not the individuals.

The militia has the right to own the guns, not the individual.

For all we know by the text, the Framers meant to say that guns will stay in a central place where the militia meets up.

Now, do you see the necessity to interpret constitutions as opposed to reading them face value? You clearly interpreted the Second Amendment, and didn't follow the exact text of it.

Tserra wrote:https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-terms-arms-well-regulated-and-militia-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment/answer/Peter-Mark-Ramirez?srid=vmNC

Not trying to start an argument. Just sorta saying. This is an issue I am very well read upon.

Also just in case you would like a second answer, this one also from Quora.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-terms-arms-well-regulated-and-militia-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment/answers/38336541?srid=vmNC

Friedensreich wrote:But, the militia has the guns, not the individuals.

The militia has the right to own the guns, not the individual.

For all we know by the text, the Framers meant to say that guns will stay in a central place where the militia meets up.

Now, do you see the necessity to interpret constitutions as opposed to reading them face value? You clearly interpreted the Second Amendment, and didn't follow the exact text of it.

I don't need to interpret it, I can read a history book to tell how a militia worked in their time, therefor how they meant it. And you seem to think a militia is a hive mind.

Peng's Wise Words #4567:

Don't argue with gun-owners. They have the means to kill you(r argumentation).

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Also just in case you would like a second answer, this one also from Quora.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-terms-arms-well-regulated-and-militia-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment/answers/38336541?srid=vmNC

Tse is pretty much A+ in terms of knowledge here.

Friedensreich wrote:But, the militia has the guns, not the individuals.

The militia has the right to own the guns, not the individual.

For all we know by the text, the Framers meant to say that guns will stay in a central place where the militia meets up.

Now, do you see the necessity to interpret constitutions as opposed to reading them face value? You clearly interpreted the Second Amendment, and didn't follow the exact text of it.

While I can see your argument, the Militia mentioned wouldn't include a central repository for the weaponry due to the large degree of hunting that went on; it would have been very difficult to separate a rifle meant for hunting from a rifle meant to murder considering how dangerous it was to hunt at all. Certainly, if they had meant for the creation of a repository then most of the Homesteaders who went west following the Louisiana-Purchase would have starved.

The United Providences Of Perland

Kalaron wrote:Tse is pretty much A+ in terms of knowledge here.

While I can see your argument, the Militia mentioned wouldn't include a central repository for the weaponry due to the large degree of hunting that went on; it would have been very difficult to separate a rifle meant for hunting from a rifle meant to murder considering how dangerous it was to hunt at all. Certainly, if they had meant for the creation of a repository then most of the Homesteaders who went west following the Louisiana-Purchase would have starved.

In the richer colonies like Virginia they did have armories incase they got into real trouble, bust most of it was dedicated to ammunition and powder.

We seriously having a debate on constitutional interpretation?

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:We seriously having a debate on constitutional interpretation?

It appears so.

Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:In the richer colonies like Virginia they did have armories incase they got into real trouble, bust most of it was dedicated to ammunition and powder.

Well yeah, what if you have a ton of people who go hunting regularly? If they expend their GP and bullets than you won't really have much to fight on, but if there's a source for replacement guns and ammunition than you'll be fine enough. I suppose the difference is buried in how you deal with "Repository" there.

A repository wherein that is the [B]only[/B] place a gun may be procured is much different than a repository with spare, state-owned, weaponry.

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:We seriously having a debate on constitutional interpretation?

I dunno, I literally just saw that we were talking about guns.

The United Providences Of Perland, Pirate Kingdoms

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:It appears so.

Kalaron wrote:Well yeah, what if you have a ton of people who go hunting regularly? If they expend their GP and bullets than you won't really have much to fight on, but if there's a source for replacement guns and ammunition than you'll be fine enough. I suppose the difference is buried in how you deal with "Repository" there.

A repository wherein that is the [B]only[/B] place a gun may be procured is much different than a repository with spare, state-owned, weaponry.

I dunno, I literally just saw that we were talking about guns.

Huh: all this is happening and I'm just sitting here trying to modify MSL into less SL

The United Providences Of Perland

So, is a toy water gun considered a weapon in the US?

I mean it could be harmful to people if you shoot the jet of water right into someone's eye. And since the US seems to be a country where people are overprotective about everything I came up with that thought. An answer would be nice. :)

The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:I dunno, I literally just saw that we were talking about guns.

I have sorta been watching the convo all day, but when it moved into territory that I actually know about, I decided to pipe in with what I knew.

Jaslandia, Kalaron, The United Providences Of Perland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:So, is a toy water gun considered a weapon in the US?

I mean it could be harmful to people if you shoot the jet of water right into someone's eye. And since the US seems to be a country where people are overprotective about everything I came up with that thought. An answer would be nice. :)

I mean, you could be charged with negligence or battery, but eh, it isn't really up to America's standards to be declared a weapon.

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:I have sorta been watching the convo all day, but when it moved into territory that I actually know about, I decided to pipe in with what I knew.

Sorry for making you watch my monstrosity of a debate.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:So, is a toy water gun considered a weapon in the US?

I mean it could be harmful to people if you shoot the jet of water right into someone's eye. And since the US seems to be a country where people are overprotective about everything I came up with that thought. An answer would be nice. :)

Yes and no. It is a toy. It can, like most things be used as a weapon if you really really want to.

For example: A baseball bat is sports equipment. Depending on your definition it is a toy. However baseball bats make really nice clubs, and have been used as weapons by both criminals, and law abiding citizens.

So a good way to look at it is that any object can be considered a weapon, if it is used as such. Make sense?

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:So, is a toy water gun considered a weapon in the US?

I mean it could be harmful to people if you shoot the jet of water right into someone's eye. And since the US seems to be a country where people are overprotective about everything I came up with that thought. An answer would be nice. :)

I was about to say that we don't consider them a threat, but these articles have stated otherwise :p

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/19/alabama-girl-16-expelled-for-having-water-gun-at-s/

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1992/6/27/super-soaker-squirt-weapon-spurs-boston/

http://gizmodo.com/crazy-japanese-inventor-builds-lethal-water-gun-1786614857 (this one is a maybe given a Japanese inventor constructor invented it)

https://www.popsugar.com/moms/Why-Kids-Shouldnt-Play-Water-Guns-43546916 (this one is also a maybe since it implies holding a water gun normalizes attitudes towards real guns)

Penguania And Antarctica

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Huh: all this is happening and I'm just sitting here trying to modify MSL into less SL

If it helps, I'm trying to find out if one of my totally insane idea would actually just blow up or if I'm on to something.

Results so far...kinda OK.

Pirate Kingdoms

Kalaron wrote:If it helps, I'm trying to find out if one of my totally insane idea would actually just blow up or if I'm on to something.

Results so far...kinda OK.

I'm on the ball over here: I got free time to write but I can't decide to continue modifying UCT's Constitution, fixing San Fernando Valley's SL, fixing Chernarus's SL, continuing PK's overview, or continuing El-Aaiun's political overview

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:So, is a toy water gun considered a weapon in the US?

I mean it could be harmful to people if you shoot the jet of water right into someone's eye. And since the US seems to be a country where people are overprotective about everything I came up with that thought. An answer would be nice. :)

Yep. A little kid in Ohio was once shot by police in the chest because he was playing with a toy BB gun in a park.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Yes and no. It is a toy. It can, like most things be used as a weapon if you really really want to.

For example: A baseball bat is sports equipment. Depending on your definition it is a toy. However baseball bats make really nice clubs, and have been used as weapons by both criminals, and law abiding citizens.

So a good way to look at it is that any object can be considered a weapon, if it is used as such. Make sense?

This reminds me of the scene from American Dad where Roger, under his persona as Raphael Penguin, mentions to Francine that he's compelled by his employer to wear shoes that can't be used as a weapon. He throws one to Francine and says, "Try. It can't be done."

And then she proceeds to use it as a weapon against him.

I love Roger.

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:This reminds me of the scene from American Dad where Roger, under his persona as Raphael Penguin, mentions to Francine that he's compelled by his employer to wear shoes that can't be used as a weapon. He throws one to Francine and says, "Try. It can't be done."

And then she proceeds to use it as a weapon against him.

I love Roger.

I love Klaus. Such a little sadistic fish. Plus, he's German, which makes it even better.

Penguania And Antarctica

[nation=short]Continental_Commonwealths[/nation]

Sorry for not showing you my alternative format of a criminal code today. :(

Yukona

Are there any questions that I can answer?

I don't think Per should be doing most of the defending.

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Are there any questions that I can answer?

I don't think Per should be doing most of the defending.

Why is your constitution still linked on the WFE as the New Constitution? The spoiler doesn't change the fact that it's the only constitution listed there when people navigate to that page.

And why are the disqualified voter tallies still on the Election and Referendum page linked on the WFE? Especially when we consider that this is the same page voters are linked to in the text portion of the referendum, and it declares your constitution the winner.

Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Why is your constitution still linked on the WFE as the New Constitution? The spoiler doesn't change the fact that it's the only constitution listed there when people navigate to that page.

And why are the disqualified voter tallies still on the Election and Referendum page linked on the WFE? Especially when we consider that this is the same page voters are linked to in the text portion of the referendum, and it declares your constitution the winner.

I'm keep it there because I need that format for both constitutions, and it was too much effort at the time to go clearing it out.

As for the voter tallies, I simply hadn't thought about it until just now.

Vista Major wrote:I'm keep it there because I need that format for both constitutions, and it was too much effort at the time to go clearing it out.

As for the voter tallies, I simply hadn't thought about it until just now.

Then it shouldn't be featured on the WFE. You can keep it as a personal factbook, but it shouldn't be linked. Also, I would suggest adding "Draft" or something to its title, like I did for my Criminal Code.

I'm shown as the Minister of Justice and someone may look at my factbooks to get information about the region's law, so I put draft in its title so no one will mistake it as active policy.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I'm shown as the Minister of Justice and someone may look at my factbooks to get information about the region's law, so I put draft in its title so no one will mistake it as active policy.

That I also didn't think about. My mistake.

Eeeee, the issue I authored was just approved!

Now I've joined the hallowed halls alongside [nation=short]Nuremgard[/nation]. Although, he's authored, like, 70.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Eeeee, the issue I authored was just approved!

Now I've joined the hallowed halls alongside [nation=short]Nuremgard[/nation]. Although, he's authored, like, 70.

[spoiler=For those curious souls]Carbon Emissions Are Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

The Issue

Signing that international climate treaty all those months ago really put a feather in your cap, and in the cap of Continental Commonwealths. Stately banquets in Brancaland and numerous editorials on your progressive leadership; it really has been quite delightful. Today, however, a strongly worded letter from the treaty compliance commission arrived at your desk, asking you to detail how Continental Commonwealths plans to fulfill its obligations.

The Debate

“Well, we always knew this day would come,” laments renowned business tycoon Jamil Stevens. “The important thing now is to ensure that the most business-friendly option is pursued. If we hook ourselves up to one of the established cap-and-trade systems, we can go shopping in the backwater signatory states and buy enough permits to allow Confederate companies to continue producing at their current rates. Our industry won’t technically reduce their emissions, but it’s an ‘international’ treaty, right?”

“Let’s do this the right way, yes?” suggests Natalie Brooks, avid ‘yes-woman’ and resident of a territory completely devoid of oil and gas. “If you want a tried and true method for reducing carbon emissions, you can’t go wrong with a good old fashioned tax scheme. Yes, those territories with larger energy reserves and heavy industry will likely be impacted to a greater extent than those without, and socioeconomically it’s bound to be somewhat regressive, but we have to consider future generations. We can offset the damages by investing the revenue in renewable energy and social welfare, yes?”

“There’s another way”, posits Balon Busk, the nation’s foremost newspaper columnist on technology and fantasy fiction. “Carbon capture and storage technology has some great potential. Of course, kicking off new tech is always risky, so we’ll need massive subsidies for investments in the right infrastructure and equipment. But if we get it to work, we won’t need to reduce carbon emissions at all. We’ll just put it someplace it won’t do any harm and no one is likely to stumble upon it, like deep below the Misty Mountains or something. It’s the epitome of eating your cake and having it too! Expensive cake, but still.”

“This meddling in national affairs is sickening,” howls Waylon Hawkins, an energy sector advocate known for his love of dramatic exaggerations. “Any one of the proposed options will decimate our economy, without having the slightest positive impact on the environment, probably. All the worthwhile companies will flee to more business-friendly jurisdictions, and Continental Commonwealths will die a horrible and painful death; that’s right, I said it: that treaty of yours will kill Continental Commonwealths. Who’s going to appreciate all those flowers when everybody’s dead, huh? Trash the treaty!”[/spoiler]

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=For those curious souls]Carbon Emissions Are Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

The Issue

Signing that international climate treaty all those months ago really put a feather in your cap, and in the cap of Continental Commonwealths. Stately banquets in Brancaland and numerous editorials on your progressive leadership; it really has been quite delightful. Today, however, a strongly worded letter from the treaty compliance commission arrived at your desk, asking you to detail how Continental Commonwealths plans to fulfill its obligations.

The Debate

“Well, we always knew this day would come,” laments renowned business tycoon Jamil Stevens. “The important thing now is to ensure that the most business-friendly option is pursued. If we hook ourselves up to one of the established cap-and-trade systems, we can go shopping in the backwater signatory states and buy enough permits to allow Confederate companies to continue producing at their current rates. Our industry won’t technically reduce their emissions, but it’s an ‘international’ treaty, right?”

“Let’s do this the right way, yes?” suggests Natalie Brooks, avid ‘yes-woman’ and resident of a territory completely devoid of oil and gas. “If you want a tried and true method for reducing carbon emissions, you can’t go wrong with a good old fashioned tax scheme. Yes, those territories with larger energy reserves and heavy industry will likely be impacted to a greater extent than those without, and socioeconomically it’s bound to be somewhat regressive, but we have to consider future generations. We can offset the damages by investing the revenue in renewable energy and social welfare, yes?”

“There’s another way”, posits Balon Busk, the nation’s foremost newspaper columnist on technology and fantasy fiction. “Carbon capture and storage technology has some great potential. Of course, kicking off new tech is always risky, so we’ll need massive subsidies for investments in the right infrastructure and equipment. But if we get it to work, we won’t need to reduce carbon emissions at all. We’ll just put it someplace it won’t do any harm and no one is likely to stumble upon it, like deep below the Misty Mountains or something. It’s the epitome of eating your cake and having it too! Expensive cake, but still.”

“This meddling in national affairs is sickening,” howls Waylon Hawkins, an energy sector advocate known for his love of dramatic exaggerations. “Any one of the proposed options will decimate our economy, without having the slightest positive impact on the environment, probably. All the worthwhile companies will flee to more business-friendly jurisdictions, and Continental Commonwealths will die a horrible and painful death; that’s right, I said it: that treaty of yours will kill Continental Commonwealths. Who’s going to appreciate all those flowers when everybody’s dead, huh? Trash the treaty!”[/spoiler]

I was the curious one, I was trying to find it in the issue section of the NS forums. I like it though.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=For those curious souls]Carbon Emissions Are Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

The Issue

Signing that international climate treaty all those months ago really put a feather in your cap, and in the cap of Continental Commonwealths. Stately banquets in Brancaland and numerous editorials on your progressive leadership; it really has been quite delightful. Today, however, a strongly worded letter from the treaty compliance commission arrived at your desk, asking you to detail how Continental Commonwealths plans to fulfill its obligations.

The Debate

“Well, we always knew this day would come,” laments renowned business tycoon Jamil Stevens. “The important thing now is to ensure that the most business-friendly option is pursued. If we hook ourselves up to one of the established cap-and-trade systems, we can go shopping in the backwater signatory states and buy enough permits to allow Confederate companies to continue producing at their current rates. Our industry won’t technically reduce their emissions, but it’s an ‘international’ treaty, right?”

“Let’s do this the right way, yes?” suggests Natalie Brooks, avid ‘yes-woman’ and resident of a territory completely devoid of oil and gas. “If you want a tried and true method for reducing carbon emissions, you can’t go wrong with a good old fashioned tax scheme. Yes, those territories with larger energy reserves and heavy industry will likely be impacted to a greater extent than those without, and socioeconomically it’s bound to be somewhat regressive, but we have to consider future generations. We can offset the damages by investing the revenue in renewable energy and social welfare, yes?”

“There’s another way”, posits Balon Busk, the nation’s foremost newspaper columnist on technology and fantasy fiction. “Carbon capture and storage technology has some great potential. Of course, kicking off new tech is always risky, so we’ll need massive subsidies for investments in the right infrastructure and equipment. But if we get it to work, we won’t need to reduce carbon emissions at all. We’ll just put it someplace it won’t do any harm and no one is likely to stumble upon it, like deep below the Misty Mountains or something. It’s the epitome of eating your cake and having it too! Expensive cake, but still.”

“This meddling in national affairs is sickening,” howls Waylon Hawkins, an energy sector advocate known for his love of dramatic exaggerations. “Any one of the proposed options will decimate our economy, without having the slightest positive impact on the environment, probably. All the worthwhile companies will flee to more business-friendly jurisdictions, and Continental Commonwealths will die a horrible and painful death; that’s right, I said it: that treaty of yours will kill Continental Commonwealths. Who’s going to appreciate all those flowers when everybody’s dead, huh? Trash the treaty!”[/spoiler]

Nice one, Con!

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:[spoiler=For those curious souls]Carbon Emissions Are Why We Can’t Have Nice Things

The Issue

Signing that international climate treaty all those months ago really put a feather in your cap, and in the cap of Continental Commonwealths. Stately banquets in Brancaland and numerous editorials on your progressive leadership; it really has been quite delightful. Today, however, a strongly worded letter from the treaty compliance commission arrived at your desk, asking you to detail how Continental Commonwealths plans to fulfill its obligations.

The Debate

“Well, we always knew this day would come,” laments renowned business tycoon Jamil Stevens. “The important thing now is to ensure that the most business-friendly option is pursued. If we hook ourselves up to one of the established cap-and-trade systems, we can go shopping in the backwater signatory states and buy enough permits to allow Confederate companies to continue producing at their current rates. Our industry won’t technically reduce their emissions, but it’s an ‘international’ treaty, right?”

“Let’s do this the right way, yes?” suggests Natalie Brooks, avid ‘yes-woman’ and resident of a territory completely devoid of oil and gas. “If you want a tried and true method for reducing carbon emissions, you can’t go wrong with a good old fashioned tax scheme. Yes, those territories with larger energy reserves and heavy industry will likely be impacted to a greater extent than those without, and socioeconomically it’s bound to be somewhat regressive, but we have to consider future generations. We can offset the damages by investing the revenue in renewable energy and social welfare, yes?”

“There’s another way”, posits Balon Busk, the nation’s foremost newspaper columnist on technology and fantasy fiction. “Carbon capture and storage technology has some great potential. Of course, kicking off new tech is always risky, so we’ll need massive subsidies for investments in the right infrastructure and equipment. But if we get it to work, we won’t need to reduce carbon emissions at all. We’ll just put it someplace it won’t do any harm and no one is likely to stumble upon it, like deep below the Misty Mountains or something. It’s the epitome of eating your cake and having it too! Expensive cake, but still.”

“This meddling in national affairs is sickening,” howls Waylon Hawkins, an energy sector advocate known for his love of dramatic exaggerations. “Any one of the proposed options will decimate our economy, without having the slightest positive impact on the environment, probably. All the worthwhile companies will flee to more business-friendly jurisdictions, and Continental Commonwealths will die a horrible and painful death; that’s right, I said it: that treaty of yours will kill Continental Commonwealths. Who’s going to appreciate all those flowers when everybody’s dead, huh? Trash the treaty!”[/spoiler]

Spitze!

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Spitze!

Oi, my response over in the RP region will be in multiple stages, is that fine with you? :P

Vista Major

Friedensreich wrote:Oi, my response over in the RP region will be in multiple stages, is that fine with you? :P

Do your worst.

Vista Major wrote:Do your worst.

They're not animals that are itching for war, there's just a lot of background I have to explain before I get to Katerina's response.

Help what's going on

Axeldonia wrote:Help what's going on

Redoing the Constitution referendum, which will have effects on the recent governmental election results if Unf's is chosen this time over Vista's.

Aside from that, in the RP world, Vista is turning his military against his own people which my leader called out and denounced. For some reason they're massing up their troops on their coasts as if we wanted to attack them too XD

Axeldonia, Oelesa

Friedensreich wrote:

Redoing the Constitution referendum, which will have effects on the recent governmental election results if Unf's is chosen this time over Vista's.

Aside from that, in the RP world, Vista is turning his military against his own people which my leader called out and denounced. For some reason they're massing up their troops on their coasts as if we wanted to attack them too XD

You're making me look like a devil

Friedensreich, Oelesa

Vista Major wrote:You're making me look like a devil

''Tis my job as a socialist state that wants to spread the socialism! :P

Vista Major, Oelesa

Friedensreich wrote:

''Tis my job as a socialist state that wants to spread the socialism! :P

Mm, don't we all?

Friedensreich, Oelesa

Friedensreich wrote:Redoing the Constitution referendum, which will have effects on the recent governmental election results if Unf's is chosen this time over Vista's.

Aside from that, in the RP world, Vista is turning his military against his own people which my leader called out and denounced. For some reason they're massing up their troops on their coasts as if we wanted to attack them too XD

TBH its obvious that that amassment was just set up to deter people from entering or leaving the nation.

Vista Major, Oelesa

Vista Major wrote:Mm, don't we all?

Erinnerst du? I said my favorite aspect of RPs are the politicking!

It should be pretty clear OOC what Katerina is trying to do at this point in time :P

Vista Major

Andromitus wrote:TBH its obvious that that amassment was just set up to deter people from entering or leaving the nation.

Which proves Katerina's points that the Nordic Assembly is tyrannical true :P

Andromitus wrote:

TBH its obvious that that amassment was just set up to deter people from entering or leaving the nation.

Nonsense, we're an open borders nation

Friedensreich wrote:

Erinnerst du? I said my favorite aspect of RPs are the politicking!

It should be pretty clear OOC what Katerina is trying to do at this point in time :P

Don't take me for a fool, knave

Friedensreich

Vista Major wrote:Don't take me for a fool, knave

Oi, no need for hostility ye wicked wench!

Friedensreich wrote:

Oi, no need for hostility ye wicked wench!

When you call me a wrench, well I outta!

Vista Major wrote:Nonsense, we're an open borders nation

Then why're you amassing troops, Frieds in Asia? What physical action is he going to do? Unless your troops are going to be physically catching his radio waves and flinging them in other directions lol

Andromitus wrote:Then why're you amassing troops, Frieds in Asia? What physical action is he going to do? Unless your troops are going to be physically catching his radio waves and flinging them in other directions lol

Fried is in Asia, however, Vista mobilizing troops on the coast isn't necessarily to keep people from entering or exiting.

It really depends on how alarmist Vista's nation is, tbh. They could easily take a separation attempt like what Fried is doing as a literal threat, and it isn't that far out there for a nation made almost entirely of coast to place more troops at the coast if they feel threatened. Furthermore, this seems more like reservist elements like the NG are being called to those bases more than anything (Why would Vista major not already have troops there otherwise?), and that isn't really super bad at all.

Tbh Vista is dealing with the possible threat of invasion as poorly as possible.

Kalaron wrote:Fried is in Asia, however, Vista mobilizing troops on the coast isn't necessarily to keep people from entering or exiting.

It really depends on how alarmist Vista's nation is, tbh. They could easily take a separation attempt like what Fried is doing as a literal threat, and it isn't that far out there for a nation made almost entirely of coast to place more troops at the coast if they feel threatened. Furthermore, this seems more like reservist elements like the NG are being called to those bases more than anything (Why would Vista major not already have troops there otherwise?), and that isn't really super bad at all.

Tbh Vista is dealing with the possible threat of invasion as poorly as possible.

Not exactly trying to start a secessionist movement, but I guess if that turns out to be a side effect of what I'm trying to do, I won't complain.

Friedensreich wrote:Not exactly trying to start a secessionist movement, but I guess if that turns out to be a side effect of what I'm trying to do, I won't complain.

No no, separation in that it's separating Vista Major from the International Community.

Friedensreich

You ever think people should pass a politics or intelligence test before being allowed to vote?

Nuremgard wrote:You ever think people should pass a politics or intelligence test before being allowed to vote?

Short answer, yes

Long answer, Yes with extra steps

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:You ever think people should pass a politics or intelligence test before being allowed to vote?

Sadly, people in the US would just use it to exclude people from voting to win-and determination by intelligence violates the constitution here.

Andromitus wrote:Short answer, yes

Long answer, Yes with extra steps

I just read some newspaper comments and despair. Although they do explain why the UK is so screwed.

determination kms. Discrimination*

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Sadly, people in the US would just use it to exclude people from voting to win-and determination by intelligence violates the constitution here.

That's the problem with democracy. Your vote and the moron's vote are considered equal.

The United Providences Of Perland

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Nuremgard wrote:You ever think people should pass a politics or intelligence test before being allowed to vote?

No. The dumb have every right to vote, even if they vote for failed businessman Cheetos.

The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Magnatronia

Nuremgard wrote:That's the problem with democracy. Your vote and the moron's vote are considered equal.

Better than no one being able to vote.

Friedensreich wrote:No. The dumb have every right to vote, even if they vote for failed businessman Cheetos.

One side of me agrees with this. Another side says, "hell no they don't."

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Better than no one being able to vote.

Eh. Democracy is so overrated as Frank in House of Cards says.

Andromitus wrote:Then why're you amassing troops, Frieds in Asia? What physical action is he going to do? Unless your troops are going to be physically catching his radio waves and flinging them in other directions lol

IC-wise, the Navy is looking for any reason to "secure the Democracy". OOC, ain't nobody gonna talk smack and expect me to do nothing physical

Kalaron wrote:No no, separation in that it's separating Vista Major from the International Community.

You wouldn't be entirely wrong

Kalaron wrote:Tbh Vista is dealing with the possible threat of invasion as poorly as possible.

Naturally

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:I just read some newspaper comments and despair. Although they do explain why the UK is so screwed.

Hence my inclusion of "Long Answer: Yes with extra steps" Because that on its own is an awful idea

Vista Major wrote:IC-wise, the Navy is looking for any reason to "secure the Democracy".

As I've said with Vidnoye my dear Vista, we only care about your IC reasoning, because thats how we get to screw with you the most ❤

Vista Major, Friedensreich

Andromitus wrote:Hence my inclusion of "Long Answer: Yes with extra steps" Because that on its own is an awful idea

As I've said with Vidnoye my dear Vista, we only care about your IC reasoning, because thats how we get to screw with you the most ❤

What extra steps?

Vista Major wrote:IC-wise, the Navy is looking for any reason to "secure the Democracy". OOC, ain't nobody gonna talk smack and expect me to do nothing physical

You wouldn't be entirely wrong

Naturally

Like Andy said, this is a purely IC situation, I hold no OOC resentment or anything of that nature towards you :P

Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:What extra steps?

Wait that was meant to be directed at [nation=short]The_United_Providences_of_Perland[/nation] but essentially things like the promotion of mass education from a non-bias standpoint, publishing of the tests and answers post-testing etc etc.

I'm all for pro-Meritocratic legislation, but only when its done right.

Nuremgard

Andromitus wrote:As I've said with Vidnoye my dear Vista, we only care about your IC reasoning, because thats how we get to screw with you the most ❤

Mess with the Nord, you get the sword

Friedensreich wrote:Like Andy said, this is a purely IC situation, I hold no OOC resentment or anything of that nature towards you :P

Neither do I

Andromitus wrote:Wait that was meant to be directed at [nation=short]The_United_Providences_of_Perland[/nation] but essentially things like the promotion of mass education from a non-bias standpoint, publishing of the tests and answers post-testing etc etc.

I'm all for pro-Meritocratic legislation, but only when its done right.

This is why I have an absolute monarchy in one of my other countries. The plebs don't know what's good for them.

Friedensreich wrote:Like Andy said, this is a purely IC situation, I hold no OOC resentment or anything of that nature towards you :P

Exactly, and that "Securing of the Democracy" is pretty dāmning, [nation=short]Vista_Major[/nation] have you started censoring media and the internet?

Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:This is why I have an absolute monarchy in one of my other countries. The plebs don't know what's good for them.

Eww

Andromitus wrote:Exactly, and that "Securing of the Democracy" is pretty dāmning, [nation=short]Vista_Major[/nation] have you started censoring media and the internet?

No, nor would we. The AVA was already pushing constitutional limits. Censoring media would mean a referendum, which would have to go to the public, and the public is none too happy with the Founders' Party (Grundare) right now.

Andromitus wrote:Eww

It's efficient. One decider. No messing around with elections, referendums, debating or parliaments. Well, to an extent.

Andromitus wrote:Exactly, and that "Securing of the Democracy" is pretty dāmning, [nation=short]Vista_Major[/nation] have you started censoring media and the internet?

That democracy has been violated enough already, is there really anything left to secure? :PP

Vista Major, Andromitus

Vista Major wrote:No, nor would we. The AVA was already pushing constitutional limits. Censoring media would mean a referendum, which would have to go to the public, and the public is none too happy with the Founders' Party (Grundare) right now.

Because I don't know the extent of IC abilities, would you be (OOC) okay with me just not stopping a few rogue Andreallic citizens from maybe sorta hacking into a few public news systems in Vista Major? Hijacking a news broadcast or two, a few street billboards...

Vista Major

Andromitus wrote:Because I don't know the extent of IC abilities, would you be (OOC) okay with me just not stopping a few rogue Andreallic citizens from maybe sorta hacking into a few public news systems in Vista Major? Hijacking a news broadcast or two, a few street billboards...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/807/4d7.png

Vista Major

Friedensreich wrote:That democracy has been violated enough already, is there really anything left to secure? :PP

Culture, the democratic socialist economy, education and the universal welfare state, democracy itself

We're unstable; we just adopted a new constitution.

Andromitus wrote:Because I don't know the extent of IC abilities, would you be (OOC) okay with me just not stopping a few rogue Andreallic citizens from maybe sorta hacking into a few public news systems in Vista Major? Hijacking a news broadcast or two, a few street billboards...

All news stations are public, obviously

*opens the proverbial IC door*

Andromitus

Nuremgard wrote:One side of me agrees with this. Another side says, "hell no they don't."

Eh. Democracy is so overrated as Frank in House of Cards says.

The vote is an absolutely intrinsic right that not even the government should have the ability to remove. Not allowing people with low IQs to vote means elitism and borderline thought police - besides, one does not have to be stupid if they don't pass an IQ test and the results can always be rigged.

Andromitus wrote:Because I don't know the extent of IC abilities, would you be (OOC) okay with me just not stopping a few rogue Andreallic citizens from maybe sorta hacking into a few public news systems in Vista Major? Hijacking a news broadcast or two, a few street billboards...

[I]"Not stopping a few rogue Andreallic citizens"[/I], eh? Good cover up story.

Vista Major wrote:Culture, the democratic socialist economy, education and the universal welfare state, democracy itself

We're unstable; we just adopted a new constitution.

All news stations are public, obviously

*opens the proverbial IC door*

I'd say the Social Contract is violated enough to say that the Nordic Assembly is no longer the government of Vista Major that rules with the consent of the people. But that's really just Katerina talking.

Vista Major wrote:Culture, the democratic socialist economy, education and the universal welfare state, democracy itself

*Checks* Those people seem to own quite a bit of property, Fried, mistake me if I'm wrong but I think their being denied the Socialist paradise they were promised....

How about we go help with their "Democracy"

Yukona wrote:The vote is an absolutely intrinsic right that not even the government should have the ability to remove. Not allowing people with low IQs to vote means elitism and borderline thought police - besides, one does not have to be stupid if they don't pass an IQ test and the results can always be rigged.

Yeah I know. I'm just being facetious and expressing my frustration with how democracy goes sometimes. E.g. Scottish independence, Brexit (even though I voted to Leave but regret it now), the election etc.

Nuremgard wrote:Yeah I know. I'm just being facetious and expressing my frustration with how democracy goes sometimes. E.g. Scottish independence, Brexit (even though I voted to Leave but regret it now), the election etc.

You think the Scottish Inderef was voted remain because of stupid people? Well then...

Yukona wrote:The vote is an absolutely intrinsic right that not even the government should have the ability to remove. Not allowing people with low IQs to vote means elitism and borderline thought police - besides, one does not have to be stupid if they don't pass an IQ test and the results can always be rigged.

IQ tests are horribly indicators of intelligence anyway. That's why I flat out told my great aunt that was admitted into mensa a couple months back that she was joining probably the dumbest organization for smart people ever.

Yukona

Yukona wrote:You think the Scottish Inderef was voted remain because of stupid people? Well then...

That's what I mean lol. I'm just saying democracy annoys me sometimes because people vote differently from me, and that makes me bitter :P

Friedensreich wrote:IQ tests are horribly indicators of intelligence anyway. That's why I flat out told my great aunt that was admitted into mensa a couple months back that she was joining probably the dumbest organization for smart people ever.

There's a reason why great minds like Hawking aren't in MENSA and that's because they don't have to prove their intelligence by taking a complex crossword test or some bullsh*t of the like - they are smart by their accomplishments and inherent ability. If anything, MENSA is a label of insecurity, not intelligence.

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:That's what I mean lol. I'm just saying democracy annoys me sometimes because people vote differently from me, and that makes me bitter :P

I don't like your views but I'd fight Timmy last dying breath to allow you to express them freely and with liberty

Yukona wrote:I don't like your views but I'd fight Timmy last dying breath to allow you to express them freely and with liberty

The view you dislike is my Scottish nationalism I presume?

Friedensreich wrote:I'd say the Social Contract is violated enough to say that the Nordic Assembly is no longer the government of Vista Major that rules with the consent of the people. But that's really just Katerina talking.

I caught a mistake in your post:

Christian Hartford isn't the leader of the Assembly. We're a Presidential democracy, not Parliamentary.

If you want the leader of the Assembly, talk to the Chief Secretary

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=829873

Friedensreich

Vista Major wrote:I caught a mistake in your post:

Christian Hartford isn't the leader of the Assembly. We're a Presidential democracy, not Parliamentary.

If you want the leader of the Assembly, talk to the Chief Secretary

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=829873

Thanks. I'll take that post down in a bit and rectify it. I'm still packing up for Muskegon tomorrow (speaking of which, I'll be hard pressed to find good wifi there, so I might have to rely on cell service, which would make it harder for me to post or anything like that), so I'll get to that once I finish getting all that done.

Vista Major

Friedensreich wrote:Thanks. I'll take that post down in a bit and rectify it. I'm still packing up for Muskegon tomorrow (speaking of which, I'll be hard pressed to find good wifi there, so I might have to rely on cell service, which would make it harder for me to post or anything like that), so I'll get to that once I finish getting all that done.

Boatiful

Yukona wrote:There's a reason why great minds like Hawking aren't in MENSA and that's because they don't have to prove their intelligence by taking a complex crossword test or some bullsh*t of the like - they are smart by their accomplishments and inherent ability. If anything, MENSA is a label of insecurity, not intelligence.

"If you have to prove your worth to someone, you have already forgotten your value."

Nuremgard, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:The view you dislike is my Scottish nationalism I presume?

>fight Timmy last dying breath ayy lmao

And no, your views that Scotland should separate and your views against the English and the Union - but I'm a strong believer in self determination and the right to secede so I wouldn't really mind, but I'd be sad.

Yukona wrote:>fight Timmy last dying breath ayy lmao

And no, your views that Scotland should separate and your views against the English and the Union - but I'm a strong believer in self determination and the right to secede so I wouldn't really mind, but I'd be sad.

That's pretty much Scottish nationalism lol. I'd argue your use of language. "Separate" and "secede" imply we're a region trying to escape our rightful rulers. I simply want my country to regain its natural status as an independent nation once again.

But I doubt Scotland will ever leave the UK anyway. Stats show that most English people up here voted No the last time. As long as we have a permanent presence of English settlers, Scotland will never be independent. And that's not me being anti-English, that's me just being factual.

Vista Major wrote:Boatiful

Ok, it's been edited. I changed leader to First Minister. Thanks again

Nuremgard, Vista Major

Friedensreich wrote:Ok, it's been edited. I changed leader to First Minister. Thanks again

Yay for First Ministers! Well just mine. The others in the UK suck.

Nuremgard wrote:That's pretty much Scottish nationalism lol. I'd argue your use of language. "Separate" and "secede" imply we're a region trying to escape our rightful rulers. I simply want my country to regain its natural status as an independent nation once again.

But I doubt Scotland will ever leave the UK anyway. Stats show that most English people up here voted No the last time. As long as we have a permanent presence of English settlers, Scotland will never be independent. And that's not me being anti-English, that's me just being factual.

I hope we don't ever have a nationalist/secessionist movement again here in the US. That'd just be a nightmare... Well, another nightmare done again.

Friedensreich wrote:I hope we don't ever have a nationalist/secessionist movement again here in the US. That'd just be a nightmare... Well, another nightmare done again.

I doubt it. At least all you guys over there can get behind being American and also being proud of being from certain states. I cannot get behind being British and many others up here cant. So if Scotland remains in the UK, I'm always going to feel alienated by the British political system and British identity in general.

Friedensreich wrote:Ok, it's been edited. I changed leader to First Minister. Thanks again

Gg

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