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Or I am just a bad Christian and happened to be here by chance haha Admittingly, since I saw the Pope in Italy, I feel less religious. I don't know why I've suddenly become disillusioned. Like I am still a Christian, but I've moved sharply towards being more Deist.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Axeldonia
Next step is atheism. Keep at it.
Axeldonia, Moldegaard
Nice. Full on citizens arrest?
I had a guy try to break into my house a couple years ago, I met him at the window with my rifle. The guy promptly f*cked off.
Nuremgard, Auxillium, Axeldonia, Yukona
Hearing stories like this, and seeing the scum that live in my apartment block, kinda makes me wish we were allowed to carry guns.
But then I remember the scum would also have guns. So then I snap back into being sane again.
Axeldonia, Yukona
Honestly, not looking to get into a gun debate, just throwing this out there. Where I live virtually everyone owns guns. In the past 15 years we have had I think...3...maybe 4 murders, and absolutely none of them were with guns. In fact the most recent one, was by a lady whose wedding I presided over. Her and some guy drowned a teen out on the lake. Moving on from murders however, I do not have the exact statistics, but I want to say my area probably has the same frequency of gun crimes as where you live now. Its actually very safe. Most of our crime is drug related.
Auxillium, Axeldonia, Confederal States
Nah, you're a good boy for that
Auxillium, Confederal States
I still prefer living in a place in which the junkies who live below me cannot walk into a shop and buy a gun. Just saying.
Axeldonia, Yukona
I could never be atheist again. I am far too convinced by the logic of a creator that the furthest I would ever go is Deism, however even then, I still believe in many parts of Christianity. I swing back and forth between evangelical and Christian Deist.
Well I just waited for the police to get there. Put down my gun when they came and got on the ground. Explained to them what happened and they let me go. I got a sticker lol Apparently I look young when I am shaven hahah
Criminals get guns anyway, and they also don't need guns to kill you. The greatest force equalizer is a gun. An old lady no longer has nothing to fear from a 6ft tall man.
Confederal States
Nah, he missed church. His divine daddy is gonna burn him for all eternity.
Great parenting!
Auxillium, Cesorion
You could never be atheist again, I could never be Christian again. Le monde tourne.
Auxillium
Haha divine daddy. I like the alliteration.
Deism is absolutely beautiful
Auxillium
Ta. One of the perks of being a writer.
Auxillium
Why?
Auxillium
Because of the combination of logic but also spiritually pertaining towards the existence of the Creator. It advocates and supports the pursuit of intellect and the meaning of human nature without the presence of restrictions caused by mysticism or faith hysteria. The philosophy behind it is intriguing. It kind of coincides with transcendentalism, of which I am a believer in.
Auxillium
I think it's horrible. Deism is belief in a creator that does not intervene in the universe, meaning it does not care enough about its creation to do so or it actively enjoys watching evil being committed by its creation. It's just as heinous as the idea of an interventionist creator.
But whatever cooks your pudding.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Auxillium, Axeldonia, Moldegaard
I have officially made my country's belief system Deism. Beautiful
Auxillium, Magnatronia
Ah yes because that right there is literal fascism incarnate. Forget the actual core tenets of the ideology and everything. It's because everything not liberal is fascism. The more you know kids.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Auxillium, Magnatronia, Cesorion, Confederal States
Clearly someone hasn't heard of hyperbole. Or you're just a butthurt Farage fan.
Auxillium, Axeldonia
Neither, its just that every liberal wants to throw around that term and actually has no real idea what it truly means. I'm for using terms correctly.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Auxillium, Cesorion, Confederal States
How anal of you. I respect that.
The Empire Of Handland, Auxillium, Axeldonia
Hey hey, keep it cool guys.
Auxillium
There is also the idea that God is the universe and can only make what has been and set forth in motion the laws of the universe, which is intervention in of itself, but may be unwilling to intervene as we believe. I did wonder something just now. Why did Gid create us? It says in the Bible that he wished for companionship but was unhappy with the angels because they were like servants, as they had no free will. Why couldn't he create someone just like him? Someone of equal measure, pure of heart and has free will, just as he does? Does he not have the capacity? Or even scarier yet, are we merely a test? It would be logical to not make something as powerful as yourself without first making something less powerful to see if it loves you. Once we love him, what will he do with us? Will he then make an equal being to love him. If it does, will he forget about us? If it doesn't, will there be divine war, so to speak. Why does God need a companion anyway? Isn't that a human trait? Perhaps it was given to him to explain creation because we don't actually know why he created us. If there is a God, which I believe there is, it begs the question as to why he even created the universe at all or manifested himself as such. Wouldn't such a powerful being have a purpose? Then there is of course the question of who created him, how and why, or if he was always there, how and why. That is a question we cannot answer until we find the answers for our own creation though. It is all very mysterious.
Nurem, put your dick away!
Peoples Liberation Republic
If God needed companionship, he clearly is not the perfect god Christians say he is. A perfect god would have just contented himself with an eternity of smelling his own farts. God has human traits because guess what? He was invented by humans.
Despite its crushing taxes, I am proud of Nuremgard.
The Imperium vs. PLRK Communists:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32481680#p32481680
I was wrong about the companion thing, the Bible actually mentions that God has already separated himself into himself (See Trinity) during creation, so he wasn't looking for companionship. Everything I looked at said that he did everything, created us, created the universe, time, space, matter, etc. for his own glory. Since he would be the only one actually seeing his glory to the fullest extent, it leads me to believe that perhaps God is testing his limits so to speak. It also mentions that he resided in eternity and had no beginning, unlike things that are created like the Universe. It is able to be rationalized that he does not need a beginning and thus nothing needed to have created him, since he is the one who created time fir the sake of this universe. Since we know that the Universe is God, as seen by his comments of "I Am", it makes me wonder if this universe was created as an escape from eternity. Perhaps God was too big and powerful to reside in a static dimension and required for himself to become an ever expanding universe. That would certainly explain his omnipotence, omnipresence, supreme power and being outside of time. I think it is wrong to attribute human traits to him, but it is understandable that we do so due to our limited understanding.
It is with this in mind that I reaffirm my belief in God and can call myself a Christian. The only reason why I thought I may have been a deist is because I believe in a God more encompassing than what the Bible suggests. The Bible is a limited work made for the dull minds of most men, and I know God is far greater than what is revealed. What I have suggested isn't contradictory to the Bible, unlike the beliefs of most Deists, who dismiss the sacredness of written text all together. Rather, what I suggest is that through reason, science, nature and discovery of the universe, we can expand on our knowledge of God to show how glorious he is and that all evidence of him coincides with the limited scope given to us by the Bible.
Confederal States
Oh, well the Bible says it so it must true. And the Bible says the Bible is true. That ends the matter.
Auxillium
Before, I wanted to build a beautiful Church for Protestants, but now I realize that nothing we make with our hands can even be close to the degree of beauty God has already created. When I went to the Vatican city, I became disillusioned with faith temporarily. I didn't know why. I was surrounded by the most finely crafted artwork man has made. It was glorious, but then I realized that it did nothing but take away from the beauty of God and supplant it with the work of man. I would much rather have the work of man be applied for the glory of the State, but there is nothing we could ever do to glorify the work of God, as it is already at it's pinnacle. The most we can do, and this is what I think we should do in relation to building churches, is magnify God's creation. We should have churches carved into mountains or made of glass to experience his forests. Have a church built next to a cliff or under a waterfall. Nature is God's finest work, and I think we can grow to understand him and love him more by being closer to it. This is perhaps the chiefest of reasons why I am a conservationist and lover of the environment, because of my faith. I believe God made me doubt to test my faith, and I am happy to have talked it out with you all :)
Confederal States
Well I believe through both faith and reason that the Bible, though limited, is objectively true. It should also be noted that even though the Bible is limited in that it does not reveal the full expanisveness of God, it is still an expansive document in of itself in the revealing of God through what a comman man could understand throughout the ages. It isn't incomplete, but it isn't the whole story either. The Bible is true, but there is more and what is more does not conflict or add to what the Bible says, just confirms it with ration and science.
Thruth is, they do use it pretty often. ( the Left, Socialist gov't here likes the term Fascist Neo-liberal)
And to avoid confusion, in no case am I Fascist. But yes, I am neo-liberal.
My taxes are very high actually
Does this mean you believe there was a literal garden of Eden? Does this mean you believe Noah actually built an arc and rounded up two of every animal to save them from the flood?
Auxillium
I believe the stories told in the Bible, yes. I am unsure exactly which parts are literal and which parts are allegorical, but only that the Bible uses both fluidly, as did many stories of ancient times did. Do I believe Romulus jumped over the wall and was taken up by a storm? No. Do I believe he killed his brother and captured Sabine women? Yes. The Bible is full of stories which use literal events and allegory in the same sentence, often to convey something in a certain way or to explain something in a way that people of the time would not understand rationally.
Personally, I think the garden of Eden was a time of innocence on earth rather than a specific place. It could have also vaguely described the true geographic origins of mankind, which I believe to be the Middle East and not Africa. The cherubim with the flaming sword is clearly allegorical. Even the physical fruit may have been allegorical for a certain act. It could also be a possibility that many of the early names in the Bible such as Adam and Eve could have been tribes of people rather than individuals, but that is really just speculation and it is just as likely for them to have been individuals. Either way, I don't know which parts are literal and which parts are allegorical, only that every story contains both and that I can only use reason to surmise which is which at what time.
There definitely was a flood, I believe there was an ark, and I do believe that this story is far more literal than the others.
Yeah but you also live in the US, and a large chunk of your crime is also firearm related :D
Nuremgard
I think you're off your head but whatever makes you happy. As long as you and your religious pals keep your hands off my rights, you can believe in whatever you want.
Highest murder rate by gun in the world. Has nothing to do with guns being legal though. It's clearly all the violence in movies and video games. As everyone knows, no violence existed before films and video games.
If you take St. Louis, Detroit and Baltimore out of the equation, the US drops to be the 3rd to last country in gun violence. It should be noted that those 3 cities are all democrat run, have the most regulated gun control laws and have the most gun free zones. It should also be noted that these areas are overwhelming filled with poor black communities with a history of gang violence. It isn't guns that cause crime, it is specific communities.
Eh, its not nearly so black and white though. I would wager, that 95 percent of what your talking about only happens in the major cities. Which to someone not well versed in daily life over here, what that equates to is, you leave a major city, and its downright peaceful as fudge. Taking it a step further from there, most police officers in Los Angeles, never have to remove their firearm from its holster. Something like .1% of all LAPD Officers ever fire them. LA is one of the biggest, and as most would agree dangerous cities in the United States. The thing is, while we do have gun crime, and I am not trying to gloss over it, its vastly over represented compared to how it actually is.
Auxillium
Do you have the sources for that?
Auxillium
I think you misunderstand, but I don't bother anyone else with my faith and you don't bother me. So we're good :p
No, it has to do with poverty and crime ridden communities.
Because only poor people commit murder. Duh.
Auxillium
That is not what he is saying at all Nurem.
Auxillium, Yukona
Fûckin' better have been considering the story says Adam and Eve had two sons...
Auxillium
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk
Poverty is obviously a cause of crime. But he said that plus "crime ridden communities." I hope he is including nice middle and upper class communities when he says that because they're full of criminals too.
Auxillium
I saw it awhile ago so I can't find the actual link with all the math in it done already, but just look at the world bank's international firearm homicide rate by country, then look at the homicide rate for those 3 cities and subtract.
Interesting aux, i myself only RP religion, in Real life i am an atheist with anti-theist views (since if we were created by something why it doesnt show it to us that it actually exists? or is god stupid for making planet full of idiots? not to mention that i read bible for fun and i saw so many things that make no sense.) But i am very tolerant towards religion as long as it isnt forced. (btw the reason i dont believe is also probably because i am from nation full of atheists)
Auxillium, Cesorion
Eh, without causing offence - it's not really my statistic to find, mate :/
Nuremgard, Auxillium
I said poverty and crime ridden communities, as in communities that are both poor and crime ridden already. Middle and upper classes also commit crimes but they are, more often than not, different kinds of crime.
I don't like the UK very much but I'm glad I live here as opposed to across the pond.
Looks up, sees its raining salt...
*Raises Magic Calming Wand*
I'll do it boi's, I'll do it!
Jaslandia
They commit crime that is seen as more acceptable. When governments talk about tackling crime, they mean visible crime that you see and hear about in poor neighbourhoods on the news. They never want to tackle stuff like tax evasion, fraud, embezzlement etc.
Auxillium
Finally, I get to be here for a religious discussion. Oh, I always miss these!
Auxillium
Meh, no offense taken. I am not trying to convince anyone anyway. People who are anti-gun or pro-gun are unlikely to change their minds in the face of evidence anyway. People will just rationalize what they want to believe in :p And yes, one could say I do the same thing for many of the things I believe in. It is human nature.
Well if God is in everything, he does show himself to be real :p Anyway, I am not trying to convince anyone else of my beliefs, just expressing what I believe.
Spanelsko
Right of course. The BBC article knows more than the actual person who lives there, with actual experience in what is going on. Silly me. I will defer to BBC on what my country is like from now on. The difference is, I do not have sources I can present you, mostly because in my experience they are not accepted, but also because I do not care enough about what other countries think about my country to go and look for them.
Auxillium
The Talking Point
The booming slave trade is now government-funded.
Reclassification
Spanelsko was reclassified from a Corrupt Dictatorship to a Psychotic Dictatorship.
The Spanelskoan Economy rose from Fair to Reasonable.
Well economy + 30% but now i am known as psychopath... great...
Jaslandia, Auxillium, Cesorion
This true, but entirely irrelavent to the conversation :p I am sure we can all acknowledge that every class commits crimes and that the government unjustly goes after the poor in a disproportionate manner. However, we are currently discussing why certain communities engage in a specific type of crime, which is gun violence, and it is because they are poor and already ridden with petty crime.
I don't have any love for the BBC but your personal experience is not representative of the whole country.
Auxillium
Ooh, and something regarding criminology. You guys spoil me.
Auxillium
Your personal experience is not representative of all of Scotland, but I assume you know more about what is going on in Scotland than I an American.
Auxillium, Confederal States
True that. But all this is pointless. Americans will defend their right to own a gun til the death and believe they are safer with guns. Brits will look on loftily and talk about how savage Americans are for having guns and think we're safer without them.
Auxillium, Tserra, Confederal States
I am to thanks for both subjects. Happy birthday Sul 😘
We'll win the argument because.....well....we have guns :p
Nuremgard
We have Trident. We'll blow you up faster than Kim Jong Un!
Auxillium
You. I like you.
Auxillium, Confederal States
Nope. I just browse quote sites on the internet. :)
Uh, so do we lol
Mind you, if you're going to strike back, would you mind doing in England first? :P
Auxillium, Penguania And Antarctica
No problem mate. :P
Nuremgard, Auxillium
Just like you didn't say all poor commit crimes like Nurem either said in jest or in all seriousness, I didn't say that either. And it's not what other countries think, it's literally a graph showing you the number of mass shootings - it's statistics, they hold no emotional or political value until you put one upon them.
Auxillium
There's something especially depressing about seeing your city being ripped apart by a hurricane, and then seeing memes about it on the internet.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Aim for Westminster. Preferably when it's full of the MPs. Not the Scottish ones though. :P Well, if the Scottish Conservative ones are in there, that's okay.
That would be the more strategic choice, seeing how they are the ones who could put up any fair resistance out of the kingdoms ;)
I doubt the arseholes doing the memes would find them as funny if it was their home being torn to shreds by nature's wrath.
Auxillium, Penguania And Antarctica
Kingdoms? There are no kingdoms here. Just the one. The United Kingdom (unfortunately :P)
Auxillium, Yukona
Ah yes, quite, my good sir!
Jaslandia, Auxillium
You knew what I meant :p
Nuremgard
If I could go back in time, I'd personally put a baby in Elizabeth I just so that mincing buffoon James did not inherit the English throne. That was the domino effect that began the creation of the Disunited Kingdom.
Auxillium, Kalaron, Confederal States
On the other hand, depending on the tone of the memes, they can provide a nice relief from the worry.
Where are you from, anyway? Miami?
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia, Confederal States
Small report of Holy Empire, due to large bonus to our economy we are now announcing increasing our army. 150,000 new members of normal army, 10,000 elite forces, another 20,000 slaves. This will be our final number for few weeks. 300 reserve vehicles are now part of the army since we have the money to support the maintenance, 2 new rail guns (last that we have) and 10 rocket artillery vehicles. (this would have been our army before our economy collapsed)
Russkov Soviet, Peoples Liberation Republic
Haha you know a gay man finds something important when he is willing to sleep with a woman for it lol
Nuremgard, Yukona, Confederal States
I would be doing it for my country. I'd grit my teeth and hold my nose (since people back then f*cking stank and Lizzie was meant to be a right dog.)
Peoples Liberation Republic, Auxillium, Axeldonia
A right dog? What?
Meaning she was ugly.
Auxillium
Ah. Well, best proceed in the proper style which fits the circumstance. The one where her face is in the pillows. Perhaps that's why it is called doggy style lol
Nuremgard
Virgin Queen? Aye right. Bet she was a total slapper.
Auxillium
Anyone want to extend the Sulanian Church into their own nations?
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sulania/detail=factbook/id=880207
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Auxillium, Penguania And Antarctica
IC: Heresy.
Penguania And Antarctica
Your church have our support.
Penguania And Antarctica
Also do not think that we like your ideas or the church it self, we do see you as heretics but until its Christianity we are ok with supporting it.
Auxillium
It is absolute heresy!
"The primary and biggest difference is the belief in the inherent fallibility of the Bible as a text. This view, as written by Alexander Salute, is that the Bible, while inspired by the Word of God, was written by man. As man being imperfect, man is incapable of writing a perfect translation of God's Word. "
Come back under the fold and embrace the one true Church of God! The Catholic Church.
~ The Pope
As i mentioned Pope, while we see them also as heretics, its more important to crush other religions even if the religion it self isnt the right one. And yes i want to purge my self for these words.
Auxillium
Ya know...I could help with that..free of charge. We have humans in our lands (350,000) and could supply them with vehicles.
Do you mean as soldiers? or as new slaves for us?
Russkov Soviet, Auxillium
Both....if you wish.
Auxillium
Jaslandia is a secular state, so while we're not formally inviting them into our nation, if any Salutionists want to immigrate to Jaslandia, they're welcome to do so as long as they follow the normal immigration process.
Penguania And Antarctica
Thank you, we could use 250,000 as our own foreign army, for the rest, well i hope they like chains. And how many vehicles do you offer? and how long would it take to get the people and vehicles here? Also as you mentioned before about the aid we forgot to mention that the engineers will have to with all other workers have to have passwords from your nation, since our soldiers do like to force anyone into slave force if they dont have the proper documents.
Russkov Soviet, Auxillium
The Most Holy Roman Empire agrees with Auxillium. Come back to the bosom of Mother Church and your heresy shall be forgiven.
Auxillium, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko
Yes, come us child.....and uh.....send all your young boys while you're at it! For...uh.....teaching :p
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
I'd have no qualms with giving Her Majesty a good servicing as my duty to the empire
Nuremgard, Confederal States
Should i prepare the fire for hereti.... i mean innocent souls so we can purg.... ahem teach them?
Nuremgard, Auxillium, Penguania And Antarctica
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