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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
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Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
I heard about the terrible, terrible train derailment in Washington State today. The thoughts and prayers of myself and all of Percyton go out to the victims, and the Percytonian government will be reaching out to the U.S. Department of Transportation to see how we can best help them in the wake of this horrific accident.
Gordon: On an unrelated note, I noticed in President Trump's tweet regarding the incident (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/942827072824672262) that he used the British/Commonwealth term 'railway', instead of the American 'railroad'. Considering I've never understood Americans' insistence on using 'railroad', this may be one of the few things that idiot Trump has done right. If Trump manages to get Americans to use the proper term 'railway', then I shall applaud him (well, I would if I had hands, but since I don't, I'll have my Driver, Fireman, and Guard applaud on my behalf); credit where credit is due and all.
Merry Christmas, everyone! I hope you all have a good one!
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
All the good colts and fillies gather round their televisions and radios across the land, to listen to our Premier tell of Saint Nick's tale so grand. With candy canes and hot chocolate galore, we listen to this Merry lore. Oh how we sing... "Christmas time is here, it's time for toys and time for cheer. We are all so joyful this year, and some ask why? Because, because we have a Santa Claus! So have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!"
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Jaslandia, Awesomeness1221
https://i.imgur.com/jxnOsBL.jpg
You don't know English.
English is my second language, and how do I not know English?
Yo kiddos! I have no news.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Truacia Ii
I'm officially on Christmas Break. All the stress of making grades, passing tests, and leading the class is over. For a few weeks lol.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona, Percyton, Truacia Ii
*tackle*
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
There should be more commas in there
Too much love, or hate. I can't tell lol
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Reminder that this amendment is attempting to defile the constitution and it's only with your help we can stop it from increasing government size unnecessarily and adding unneeded levels of bureaucracy
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/52/secretary-act-debate-12-18?page=1&scrollTo=418
Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
Sounds so republican, but I actually agree. If we were larger, with a much more active base this bill could actually work. However, in our case, we need fewer levels of bureaucracy.
Penguania And Antarctica
Republican? I never knew you became a filthy commie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2OQ2BtOfRM
Oelesa, Truacia Ii
May the Lord bless you and keep you all safe and warm in this time of Advent!
Jaslandia, Oelesa, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Cesorion, Truacia Ii
Voting is now in progress on the Secretary Act.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
[spoiler=Today is December 19 and today are:]
Today is December 19 and today are:
- Goa Liberation Day (Goa, India)
- Look for an Evergreen Day
- National Hard Candy Day (United States)
- National Heroes and Heroines Day (Anguilla)
- National Oatmeal Muffin Day (United States)
- St. Nicholas Day (Ukraine)
- Underdog Day
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 0211 Caracalla has Geta, his brother and co-emperor, killed by the Praetorian Guard.
- 1154 Henry II of England is crowned at Westminster Abbey.
- 1187 Pope Clement III is elected.
- 1490 Anne, Duchess of Brittany, is married to Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor by proxy.
- 1562 The Battle of Dreux takes place during the French Wars of Religion.
- 1606 The Susan Constant, the Godspeed, and the Discovery depart England carrying settlers who founded, at Jamestown, Virginia, the first of the thirteen colonies that became the United States.
- 1675 The Great Swamp Fight, a pivotal battle in King Philip's War, gives the English settlers a bitterly won victory.
- 1776 Thomas Paine publishes one of a series of pamphlets in The Pennsylvania Journal entitled "The American Crisis".
- 1777 American Revolutionary War: George Washington's Continental Army goes into winter quarters at Valley Forge, Pennsylvania.
- 1796 French Revolutionary Wars: Two British frigates under Commodore Horatio Nelson and two Spanish frigates under Commodore Don Jacobo Stuart engage in battle off the coast of Murcia.
- 1828 Nullification Crisis: Vice President of the United States John C. Calhoun pens the South Carolina Exposition and Protest, protesting the Tariff of 1828.
- 1900 Hopetoun Blunder: The first Governor-General of Australia John Hope, 7th Earl of Hopetoun, appoints Sir William Lyne premier of the new state of New South Wales, but he is unable to persuade other colonial politicians to join his government and is forced to resign.
- 1907 Two hundred thirty-nine coal miners die in the Darr Mine Disaster in Jacobs Creek, Pennsylvania.
- 1912 William Van Schaick, captain of the steamship General Slocum which caught fire and killed over one thousand people, is pardoned by U.S. President William Howard Taft after three-and-a-half-years in Sing Sing prison.
- 1920 King Constantine I is restored as King of the Hellenes after the death of his son Alexander of Greece and a plebiscite.
- 1924 The last Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost is sold in London, England.
- 1927 Three Indian revolutionaries, Ram Prasad Bismil, Roshan Singh and Ashfaqulla Khan, are executed by the British Raj for participation in the Kakori conspiracy.
- 1932 BBC World Service begins broadcasting as the BBC Empire Service.
- 1941 World War II: Adolf Hitler appoints himself as head of the Oberkommando des Heeres.
- 1941 World War II: Limpet mines placed by Italian divers heavily damage the HMS Valiant and HMS Queen Elizabeth in Alexandria harbour.
- 1945 John Amery, British Fascist, at the age of 33 executed by the British Government for treason.
- 1946 Start of the First Indochina War.
- 1956 Irish-born physician John Bodkin Adams is arrested in connection with the suspicious deaths of more than 160 patients. Eventually he is convicted only of minor charges.
- 1961 India annexes Daman and Diu, part of Portuguese India.
- 1967 Harold Holt, the Prime Minister of Australia, is officially presumed dead.
- 1972 Apollo program: The last manned lunar flight, Apollo 17, crewed by Eugene Cernan, Ronald Evans, and Harrison Schmitt, returns to Earth.
- 1974 Nelson Rockefeller is sworn in as Vice President of the United States under President Gerald Ford under the provisions of the 25th Amendment to the United States Constitution.
- 1981 Sixteen lives are lost when the Penlee lifeboat goes to the aid of the stricken coaster Union Star in heavy seas.
- 1983 The original FIFA World Cup trophy, the Jules Rimet Trophy, is stolen from the headquarters of the Brazilian Football Confederation in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
- 1984 The Sino-British Joint Declaration, stating that China would resume the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong and the United Kingdom would restore Hong Kong to China with effect from July 1, 1997 is signed in Beijing, China by Deng Xiaoping and Margaret Thatcher.
- 1986 Mikhail Gorbachev, leader of the Soviet Union, releases Andrei Sakharov and his wife from exile in Gorky.
- 1995 The United States Government restores federal recognition to the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi Native American tribe.
- 1997 SilkAir Flight 185 crashes into the Musi River, near Palembang in Indonesia, killing 104.
- 1998 President Bill Clinton is impeached by the United States House of Representatives, becoming the second President of the United States to be impeached.
- 2000 The Leninist Guerrilla Units wing of the Communist Labour Party of Turkey/Leninist attack a Nationalist Movement Party office in Istanbul, Turkey, killing one person and injuring three.
- 2001 A record high barometric pressure of 1085.6 hPa (32.06 inHg) is recorded at Tosontsengel, Khövsgöl, Mongolia.
- 2001 Argentine economic crisis: December riots: Riots erupt in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
- 2012 Park Geun-hye is elected the first female president of South Korea.
- 2013 Spacecraft Gaia is launched by European Space Agency.
- 2016 Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov is assassinated while at an art exhibition in Ankara. The assassin, Mevlüt Mert Altıntaş, is shot and killed by Turkish guards.
- 2016 A vehicular attack in Berlin, Germany, kills and injures multiple people at a Christmas market.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1816 - Franz Sacher, Austrian confectioner, inventor of the Sachertorte
- 1852 - Albert Abraham Michelson, Prussian-American physicist, chemist, and academic, Nobel Prize laureate
- 1875 - Carter G. Woodson, American historian and author, founded Black History Month
- 1899 - Martin Luther King, Sr., American pastor, missionary, and activist
- 1901 - Rudolf Hell, German engineer, invented the Hellschreiber
- 1906 - Leonid Brezhnev, Ukrainian-Russian marshal, engineer, and politician, 4th Head of State of the Soviet Union
- 1915 - Édith Piaf, French singer-songwriter and actress
- 1916 - Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann, German political scientist, journalist, and academic
- 1918 - Professor Longhair, American singer-songwriter and pianist
- 1934 - Rudi Carrell, Dutch entertainer
- 1941 - Maurice White, American singer-songwriter and producer
- 1963 - Jennifer Beals, American model and actress
- 1963 - Til Schweiger, German actor, director, and producer
- 1974 - Ricky Ponting, Australian cricketer
- 1980 - Jake Gyllenhaal, American actor and producer
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Quote of the day
If I want to knock a story off the front page, I just change my hairstyle.
- Hillary Clinton -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Kalaron, Mercunova, Percyton, Cesorion
I'm rewriting my factbooks to include the coup that's just happened in Ludania. I'll post a link to it later if anyone would like to read it and then I'll post it on the forums to get some international reactions.
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton
Okay so I've changed almost everything about the country (such fun). There's an explanation of the coup (I suggest starting with the 'Modern Period' part) and its causes in the 'History' part of the factbook. Any feedback is welcomed! Enjoy.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ludania/detail=factbook/id=218064
I've posted it on the forum here https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=431732&p=33117424#p33117424 so that I can get some international reactions and maybe start a lengthier RP. Condemn me if you dare ;)
Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Percyton, Czeko Russika
"Breaking news: Did Hillary Clinton talk about her new hairstyle in her deleted e-mails?"
"Headline: Is Hillary Clinton's new hairstyle a pedophillic signal?"
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2016/05/20/new-italian-tank-to-be-funded-as-cash-for-freccia-vehicle-slows/
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Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica
Hey folks, how's everyone doing?
Breaking News: Donald Drumpf eats two scopes of ice cream. Does this mean impeachment for drumpf?
Headline: Is milk a symbol of white supremacy?
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Guys, the Republican AND Democratic party both suck. And congress is full of money grubbing corporate puppets on both sides, it's all one big trick, and we're all fools.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Vetriutan 2
This is exactly what is wrong with capitalism and the state. Capitalist interest will always use their economic power to make use of state power. Even if you significantly weaken the state, it will still inevitably grow to serve the needs of profit-seeking capitalists who will use the state to their economic advantage.
Right now, we have enough homes to house the homeless and enough food to feed 10 billion people, and yet there still are people without homes and there still are people without food. Why? Because capitalism is deficient in distributing resources by need. Now, more than ever, we can have well being for all.
https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Truacia Ii
Capitalism unrestrained is very dangerous, but full on Socialism/Communism is even worse. That is why we need a mixed economy. We need capitalism without a free market, where the government is strong and immune to the big special interests, and able to crack down on these businesses that mislead and exploit the public, and do damage to society as a whole. Unrestrained capitalism and a full on restrained economy are both disastrous, the mixed economic system is where it's at.
Nuremgard
My only problem honestly would just be the increased ability of capitalistic countries to often advance beyond socialist nations in terms of military technology.
On an unrelated note. I like how Argentina went with desert yellow on their TAM 2IP.
http://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Cju94IbXAAAwV-b.jpg
Aquatur
Socialism and communism aren't just government control of the economy. Socialism is an economic system where the workers own the means of production, while communism a stateless, classless, moneyless society that incorporates socialism into its core economic structure. Neither have anything to do with government or state control. Additionally, a mixed economy wouldn't handle the underlying problems of capitalism. It'll only really solve the surface symptoms associated with the economic system. You still have the deficiency in the distribution of goods and the perverse economic incentives that drive that deficiency. You'll still have worker exploitation and the stealing of the surplus value of labor. It's all still there, but with a social safety net.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
I don't see how military advancement would be a problem in socialist nations. Where does this supposed problem surface?
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Truacia Ii
Full on socialism works for some countries, but only if there is no Marxism involved, and if the country is smaller and the populace united. I'd be against class division, all the people of a nation should come together and work in the best interests of one another. Communism is simply a system that is unable to work in a modern country because of how humanity is, you have to have huge state control for Communism. I am not completely against socialism, unless there is Marxism involved. I think the best system for a country as large and influential as the United States would be a mixed economy. There are ways to ensure that the poor are not struggling, and that they can enjoy their lives and provide for their families easily. There are ways to take every homeless person off the street. I am not against a strong, centralized government either, because you really need that to protect your nation and its economy against the evil interests of the internationalists and the big bankers who only care about money, and see the world as one giant resource to exploit.
Be aware, Marxism and Communism were funded and pushed by the same big elite ultra-capitalist banksters. Just read about Jacob Schiff and Max Warburg and how they funded the Russian revolution.
Nuremgard
Generally speaking, it stems from the -and I'll be the first to detest this- nature of people to be less focused on the defense of their nation in times of peace when they are without a significant monetary motive. Though even corporations are afflicted by this, the monetary incentive (and relative freedom of the corporation in this regard) have been good for the continued development of weaponry. While my examples of this are limited to the communist world (Well, I could show you examples from nations coming out of it, but they're shagged in enough ways that economic systems matter little to nothing) with things like the Soviet proclivity to at times underestimate the threat of US armour and aircraft. Even after they realized the drastic change in how wars were fought (One cannot out maneuver an ATA missile easily, it's speed of Mach 4 doesn't care how far you turn because you simply aren't fast enough) they actually doubled down on their old paradigm and are only now coming out of it.
Mind you, the variables involved are far more complex than a simple communist versus capitalist argument, and I would have to see a number of variables involving the governence and business practices of the socialist nation before even thinking to criticize or praise them.
Axeldonia
Who are you and where did you come from? I like you.
Percyton, Truacia Ii
Again, you are conflating socialism and communism. They are not the same thing. In regards to communism, I agree with you in saying that it cannot work on a large, international scale. In a possible transition to a stateless, classless society, that very society would be run by local communities and not centralized institutions. In fact, doing the latter runs directly against the ideology. And you are simply wrong when it comes to socialism. Socialism is merely an economic system where the workers own the means of production. It does not matter in what form it exists in. It will still work in largely the same way if it is being done in a state or without a state.
Additionally, I am befuddled by your claims about Jacob Schiff and Max Warburg funding communist movements. The two are bankers who would have their livelihoods destroyed in a possible communist revolution. In fact, while Schiff supported overthrowing the Tsar, he would actually support the new provisional government, and not the Bolsheviks, afterward. Most of these theories are generally peddled by anti-Semites on the right who want to justify their ridiculous attempts at making communism seem as if it is a Jewish ideology.
Nuremgard, Axeldonia
I like you too.
Vista Major, Percyton, Vetriutan 2
There is this extremely fun text-based game that I have loved playing for a long time. It's called Hidden Agenda, and the game is about running a postrevolutionary Central American country named Chimerica. In the game, you can hire certain cabinet ministers into your cabinet to advise you in your encounters with internal and external individuals in the game. I thought it would be a good idea to have an old-style let's play of the game where you guys can help me make decisions in the game. Making a forum for this will, of course, be necessary. Who wants to join in?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Agenda_(1988_video_game)
Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Percyton, Truacia Ii
I'm just a guy who has been searching for a place on NS to call home, I found this place and thought it looked neat. Glad to see I'm not the only conservative guy here.
So yes, in small communities, Communism can work. But trying to implement it on a whole country wont work. Marxist Socialism claims there is equality where there isn't any, I realize that it is fine for there to be some inequality in society, it is only natural. The type of socialism you see implemented in Venezuela, however, does not work.
Those bankers were comfortable, living outside the tyranny of the Soviet Union. It wasn't just individual bankers but also whole governments assisting Trotsky and his crew. There is documented evidence of how Trotsky came to NY, and was supported by fat cat bankers who paid for him to have a limo and drive around drinking expensive wine like a big shot capitalist would. Many of those who took part in the Russian revolution came from outside the Russian borders. Essentially, the Soviet Union wouldn't have came into being without the help of rich elite bankers and the governments they bought. Because what they really want is power, period. They want to rule over people. They already have all the money they could possibly imagine, power is all that is left. The rich elites push socialism and Communism to trick people into fighting for a system that takes away even more freedom from them, while believing they are fighting against the rich establishment when they are actually fighting directly for it.
Mercunova
Well I am definitely not a conservative but I did enjoy reading your posts.
Jaslandia, Percyton, Truacia Ii
https://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4
You and Nurem may agree on a few things, but Nurem is far from a conservative. To be frank about this region's political leanings, we have a bunch of left-leaning people (who range from moderate Democrats/progressives to full-blown communists), some moderates/centrists, some libertarians and conservative-leaning libertarians, and then not a lot of legitimate conservatives.
Percyton, Truacia Ii
"Not a Conservative"
You're like the farthest thing from Conservative I know.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I take that as a compliment.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I am a true, legitimate, traditional values conservative. But I think I'll still like it here. I'm always in the mood for a debate.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Percyton
Hello, I'm Sully.
Resident Quaker and Democratic voter, I am happy to meet you!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Truacia Ii
The reason why I liked your posts was because you seem like a rational conservative who can see the flaws and excesses of capitalism. Usually right wingers just fill me with rage when they spout their BS but you didn't. But we haven't had a debate yet so plenty of time for that. ;)
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
Again, you are conflating socialism with communism. You do know that Marixst Socialism does not exist? Marxism is inherently communist in its theory and what it sees as its final goal. Additionally, you also claim that Venezuela is socialist, which is not true. Around 70 percent of the nation's GDP is under the private sector and 80 percent of Venezuelans work in the private sector. The latter is greater than that of many Western European social democracies!
Even if the two bankers lived outside of the Soviet Union, Trotsky's philosophy wouldn't have made it so for too long. Trotskyism advocates for a permanent, global revolution that overthrows all capitalist governments. Additionally, even if the rich did support socialism and communism, it just wouldn't make any sense to do so out of fear of the movement growing out of hand. Land-owning peasants were killed in the Soviet Union during the Holodomor and any economic power capitalists had was usurped by the state, who took the responsibility of managing industry instead. It makes no sense for the capitalists to support socialism and communism because it will hand over power from them and to the workers.
New Salvatore is still an autocracy but allows public dissent. How liberal. Any chance I could get an issue that finally lets me reinstate democratic elections please, NS?
Jaslandia, Percyton
Lol. If youre conservative, Im Darth Sidious in the throes of implementing Order 66.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Don't understand that reference lol. But he only just got here. He'll soon learn I'm anything but a con.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Here's the thing- full on socialism is usually very inefficient, especially when there is government corruption involved. Having most industries being completely state ran isn't good for the economy. True socialism is an imaginative theory and cannot be implemented as it is. Today, socialism is not adopted in the same way, as it was advocated by Karl Marx and other socialists. The original form of socialism is neither preached nor practiced. Under socialism, the people don't have control of their wealth, the state has even more control over it.
It certainly doesn't eliminate poverty and other social evils. Instead of making everyones lives better, it usually just makes everyones lives worse, except for those at the top. Don't get me wrong, I know there are good things about socialism, which is why I support a mixed economy. I want more income equality. I want improved living standards. I want better human resources. I want to see unity and not divison. But full on socialism usually doesn't work out all like that, but mixed systems usually do.
The Soviet dictatorship took the power from the people and consolidated it entirely within the government. Giving the government nearly omnipotent power to oppress the populace. The rich bankers support Communism because these internationalist psychopaths want to rule the world, they already have their wealth, all that is left for them to gain is power. They see the world as one giant resource. There is a reason people call Communists and Socialists "useful idiots", it's because they really think they're fighting for what they believe in, while their leaders usually view them as sheep to take advantage of, and exploit.
Nuremgard
Hello there!
I think left wingers often confuse libertarians and neo-liberals with conservatives. I hate free market economics, and get pissed off at those "muh free market, muh freedoms" libertarian folks because their views cause too many problems and don't work well enough.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
I see. Here's Thomas' statement on the issue:
"As Ludania is a close neighbor of Percyton, and one we share close economic ties with, we are concerned about the recent developments in the Empire of Ludania. We condemn acts of repression and violence, and we hope stability and fairness is soon restored to Ludania. We will continue to monitor the situation closely."
Welcome to the region, Truacia II! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Truacia Ii
One of my best friends on here is a libertarian lol. I cant stand his politics and he cant stand mine so we just don't talk about it. :P
But it must frustrate you, no? You consider yourself a legitimate conservative but I don't think real conservatism has existed in either the US or UK for a long time. Both nations' right wing parties are in thrall to neo-liberal arseholes.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Truacia Ii
And you will definitely find debate here, and usually very civil ones at that, so yeah, I think you'll fit right in here.
Percyton
Hell yeah, it's frustrating. Our modern society would have been unimaginable 50 years ago. Real conservatives haven't been winning in the US for decades, and in Europe they are most successful in the East, which happened to be under Communism for decades. I always laugh at liberals when they talk about how hardcore conservative and extreme Trump is, like he really is the next Hitler. The dude is a liberal.
Not understanding a Star Wars reference...
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/YRtuSz2
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Liberal has become such a vague term now that I don't even know what it really means. I consider myself a liberal but the word has so many definitions now. As for Trump, the guy isn't anything. He doesn't believe in anything besides "what's good for me and what's good for my family."
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
My friend considers me a heathen as well. I hate science fiction in general.
Penguania And Antarctica
Just out of curiosity, what would you consider to be 'real conservatism'? I imagine that includes social conservatism, judging by your statement about supporting traditional values, but what about economic policy? Or what about big vs. small government?
Nuremgard
Most likely true. He pays lip service to conservatism and nationalism, and then governs like Bush behind the scenes. Free market economics are a form of liberalism, not conservatism. Libertarians were once just called liberals. Now they're also "classical liberals". Even though free market economics are a form of liberalism, they call it "right wing economics", while my economic views are considered left wing. It's all a bit confusing.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Eh, Im mostly there with you. Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica are the extent of my sci fi repetoire. And the latter is exclusively because of its religious philosophy and political drama.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
Politics these days is just confusing and crazy in general, man. I don't even know what I am. A socialist/social democrat I suppose. I just say I'm left wing. But what I primarily identify as is a Scottish nationalist.
Aquatur, Truacia Ii
Real conservatism is about preserving traditional values in society, I don't think big government or small government or economics has anything to do with it. If you believe in traditional social values, you're a conservative, whether or not you want small government, or are a full blown Fascist.
I am a fantasy fan but don't like LOTR. I'm a strange person lol
Penguania And Antarctica
You can be a nationalist whether you're left wing or right wing. I hate how many people think of nationalism as an extreme taboo fringe belief.
Nuremgard
Fair enough. So you see 'conservative' more as an umbrella term for people favoring traditional values, rather than a specific ideology?
Truacia Ii
Amen, mate. Over here, saying you're a Scottish nationalist is like announcing that you're a Nazi. (Seriously, some people do think we are actual Nazis.) They do this while ignoring their own blatant British nationalism. For them, British nationalism is "unionism" or "patriotism."
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
Indeed. There have even been Communist conservatives.
Jaslandia
What do personally consider traditional values? As a card carrying member of the Gays, I'm curious to know.
Ain't nothing wrong with being proud of your nation, or hell, even your ethnicity for that matter. The Scottish have a long and proud history, that dates back centuries, it's like the left wing tries to demonize culture and heritage as something unimportant, when it is very fundamentally important.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
It all depends on how nationalism manifests. If it's civic nationalism, that's not too bad. And if it's nationalism in pursuit of something like an independent state for your people or greater self-governance, that's also fine. It's when nationalism crosses the line into ethnic and superiority-based nationalism (the type that thinks it's superior to all others, and has a right to dominate other nationalities) that things go bad.
I find that a bit hard to believe, but I suppose it's possible. You can have left-wing economic beliefs while still favoring traditional values. The only problem is that true Marxist communism favors anarchy (or at least localized and limited governance), and it can be hard to enforce those traditional values in such circumstances.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
Criticism of Scottish nationalism comes from both the left and right here so it's not just a left wing phenomenon.
Truacia Ii
Well, I'm against homosexual marriage, that is a traditional value. Cherishing the traditional family unit is a traditional value. I'm one of those old school family man type conservatives. God, family and nation are things I value, respect and cherish as a conservative.
Aquatur
Nationalism has become a dirty word since the Second World War. Without nationalism, there would be no nations. The 20th century was the century of nationalism. It was all the rage. It was Hitler and Mussolini who turned it into the hated and misunderstood concept that it is today.
Jaslandia, Aquatur, Truacia Ii
Eh, more power to you I suppose. That's your beliefs and you're entitled to them. I of course disagree but hey ho.
Jaslandia, Aquatur, Truacia Ii
Supremacy is bad. It is okay for nationalism to be ethnic in places like Europe. Here in the US, I'm white and this isn't my ancestral homeland, this isn't where my ancestors have been living for centuries, my ancestors come from Europe. And I have a lot of respect for my European heritage, I'm not even German or Irish, but I care about those nations because my ancestors were German and Irish.
True, I just meant there have been Communists who have traditional social values, for the most part. But yes, Communism is definitely extremely anti-Conservative to say the least.
Jaslandia
Yes, the Nazis played a major role in making nationalism look bad. Nationalism definitely has its flaws, such as large scale conflict as we've seen over the centuries, but globalism is worse, and the biggest people pushing globalism are people who see the world as one giant resource, with zero care for nation and culture.
Nuremgard
I do as well, as does my fiance.
Gennady Zyuganov could be considered a conservative communist, often supporting the traditionalist views that United Russia supports: how close to the original CPSU in terms of economic viewpoints, that is up to debate (given the number of Communist parties that have denounced and split off from the CPRF and declared themselves the successor of the CPSU)
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
The left certainly wont win if they don't embrace nationalism and patriotism. Those things are very important, we live in a world of nations and borders and that's the way it's supposed to be. This globalist utopia without nations and culture and differences is completely unrealistic.
Aquatur
I'm a nationalist in the sense I believe in independence for my nation. I'm not some kind of blood and soil fascist that many would like to paint me and others like me as. I absolutely do think nation and culture are important to identity. Globalism is slowly eradicating these things.
Truacia Ii
*Gasping for air* Y-you.... d-d-don't like LOTR? *cries*
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
The fact that people assume someone is a blood and soil Fascist just for saying that they're proud of their nation, culture and heritage shows how messed up things have gotten. I can't support globalism, as it is a system that is unnatural and against humanity, and is a completely supported by the international bankers who only care about money and power.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
Hmm. I don't really think that's the way it's supposed to be. I just think nationalism and nations is how humans have naturally evolved over time in order to differentiate themselves and to give themselves identities. I think as time marches on, nations might become less important. The EU could be used as an example of nationalism being overcome by mutual co-operation but even the EU is underpinned by a sense of shared identity and values. We're all European and believe in democracy, the rule of law etc.
I don't ever envision a world in which nations will not exist. I think humans are just too tribal to ever come together as one single cohesive unit.
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
I see. Didn't know that.
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Sorry but seeing a conservative rail against the international bankers is really trippy to me lol. It's also rather cool and anti-establishment. Your social conservatism aside, I wish more right wingers were like you.
I know. I am a sinner and I must repent. But I cant get into it. It's just too long and boring.
Aquatur, Penguania And Antarctica, Truacia Ii
Pretty much, yeah, tribalism is very natural. Europe was built by tribalism, Asia was built by tribalism, Africa was built by tribalism. It's a tradition of humanity. I think it's good that we live in a world full of differences, why should everything be the same? That is the opposite of diversity.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
This is true. What's so wrong with differences? They're what make us human in the end.
Aquatur, Truacia Ii
They screw us all over, they certainly aren't conservatives, they don't care about their nations and usually completely lack a moral compass. They basically have to be stopped in order for conservatism to thrive, they are very much anti-conservative, they are the ones who push globalism and uber-PC liberalism. They see the world as one giant resource, and most of humanity as slaves to be ruled over. I was actually originally a socialist myself.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
I agree with you when you say that government control of the economy is inefficient. Government central planning is generally horrible for the functioning of economies. But that isn't what socialism is. Socialism is worker, not state, control over the means of production, and it is preached and is practiced. Worker cooperatives have been shown to be more efficient than capitalist workplaces and socialism has been preached by everyone from democratic socialists to social anarchists. And it does help eliminate poverty and other social ills. When workers control their workplaces, wages go up and hours go down. Conditions for workers and society as a whole improves under socialism.
And here goes the Soviet argument about the failure of its economic policies. But again, that isn't socialism. I agree with you that the Soviet dictatorship was horrible, but it wasn't an example of socialism or communism. The role of the capitalist class was simply usurped by the state, forming a state capitalist society. Control over the means of production went from the workers and to the state and conditions for Soviet workers were horrible during and after Stalin's rule. Additionally, saying that wealthy capitalists would support communism to gain power is ridiculous. They were already able to gain massive amounts of power and wealth under capitalism. In fact, one of your first posts in this region was complaining about how the rich hold too much influence within the US.
Fair enough. Our beliefs are always evolving. I don't see my own political or social values changing any time soon though. While I disagree with your stance that I should not be allowed to get married to another man, you don't want to hang me from a crane like they would in some other countries. I think I can live with that.
Jaslandia, Truacia Ii
Indeed. I've been wanting to travel and see my ancestral homelands, as well as some other nations around the world. Countries like Japan and India are fascinating to me.
Nuremgard, Aquatur
Who dat?!
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
I admire a lot of things about Asian culture, especially their ingrained respect for the elderly and their parents/siblings etc.
Aquatur, Truacia Ii
Indeed. Imagine living somewhere in Asia, and not being able to reveal yourself as gay without risking execution. Even 50 years ago they weren't executing gays in the US and England, they still do that outside the West.
Nuremgard
I got engaged, Cont Comm. Haven't you heard?
Jaslandia, Aquatur, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Truacia Ii
Yes, countries like that always tend to be safer and more united.
If it's a choice between living in a country which is generally accepting of gay people but doesn't let them marry or living in a country which executes gay people simply for existing, I think it's a no-brainer.
Truacia Ii
In Iraq, homosexuality is not illegal, but your family can honor kill you and can get some legal protection for their action.
Aquatur
I think unity is pretty much impossible to be honest. There will always be division. Some division is natural and necessary (like in politics) but some division is malicious and harmful (like class division.) Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for complete and utter equality but a situation in which the rich can ride roughshod over the rest of us is bad for all involved (except for the rich obviously)
Truacia Ii
Honour killings are utterly barbaric.
Jaslandia, Aquatur, Truacia Ii
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