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When people say the election is rigged, they mean that it is heavily in favor of establishment candidates from the two main parties. It's rigged because they give advantages to the establishment candidate and the way you win the electoral college is by currying the favor of the establishment. So of course it is rigged. That does not mean there is voter fraud though, but even if there was, it doesn't matter. You can't have voter fraud in the electoral college.

For the last time people: THE POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER

It's that simple.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus, Yukona

Percyton wrote:There are elections going on? That's great! I know I'm always excited when the Percytonian Parliament elections come around. I always want to vote in them, but Gordon tells me it's not proper for the monarch to vote. Still, you all should vote if you can!

I'm not sure if it's a proper election if I'm not a candidate. And if I can't be a candidate, there should at least be some sort of shiny red engine running. You can never trust silly tank engines to run things without some help.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Boo electoral college.

Boo

I can endorse that sentiment.

James The Red Engine wrote:I'm not sure if it's a proper election if I'm not a candidate. And if I can't be a candidate, there should at least be some sort of shiny red engine running. You can never trust silly tank engines to run things without some help.

Oh, James. You'll never change, will you?

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Boo electoral college.

Boo

Jill Stein approves of this

Greater Banitia

Aldaur wrote:For the last time people: THE POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER

It's that simple.

A bit on the extreme side, wouldn't you think?

Aldaur

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Vista Major wrote:A bit on the extreme side, wouldn't you think?

Unless you're in a Swing State or a Faithless Elector State, then not at all. The electoral college is meant to keep the establishment in and populists out. The reason Sanders didn't get the nomination is because the Dem Primary system mirrors the electoral college in that the super delegates swing the nomination in the establishment's favor. The reason why Trump got the nomination is because their primary system is based on the popular vote with no super delegates to safeguard the establishment. So if you're a Republican in the primary, vote vote vote! If you're Democrat in the primary, you should still vote, but if it isn't in line with the establishment, don't be surprised when they change your vote. In the general election, ehat you want doesn't mean squat because it is based on a party dominance system. If you're in a state where the Democratic Party is dominate prior to the election, then it does not matter if 99% of the electorate (the people), vote Trump, 100% of the electors will automatically go to Clinton. This is because the State is democrat, therefore all of the electors go to the candidate of the Democratic Party.

The only time your popular vote matters is if you're in a swing state or a faithless elector state. In which case, it matters a little more, but most of the country do not live in those states. I certainly don't. What about you?

Aldaur wrote:Unless you're in a Swing State or a Faithless Elector State, then not at all. The electoral college is meant to keep the establishment in and populists out. The reason Sanders didn't get the nomination is because the Dem Primary system mirrors the electoral college in that the super delegates swing the nomination in the establishment's favor. The reason why Trump got the nomination is because their primary system is based on the popular vote with no super delegates to safeguard the establishment. So if you're a Republican in the primary, vote vote vote! If you're Democrat in the primary, you should still vote, but if it isn't in line with the establishment, don't be surprised when they change your vote. In the general election, ehat you want doesn't mean squat because it is based on a party dominance system. If you're in a state where the Democratic Party is dominate prior to the election, then it does not matter if 99% of the electorate (the people), vote Trump, 100% of the electors will automatically go to Clinton. This is because the State is democrat, therefore all of the electors go to the candidate of the Democratic Party.

The only time your popular vote matters is if you're in a swing state or a faithless elector state. In which case, it matters a little more, but most of the country do not live in those states. I certainly don't. What about you?

To an extent, I would tend to agree

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Unless you're in a Swing State or a Faithless Elector State, then not at all. The electoral college is meant to keep the establishment in and populists out. The reason Sanders didn't get the nomination is because the Dem Primary system mirrors the electoral college in that the super delegates swing the nomination in the establishment's favor. The reason why Trump got the nomination is because their primary system is based on the popular vote with no super delegates to safeguard the establishment. So if you're a Republican in the primary, vote vote vote! If you're Democrat in the primary, you should still vote, but if it isn't in line with the establishment, don't be surprised when they change your vote. In the general election, ehat you want doesn't mean squat because it is based on a party dominance system. If you're in a state where the Democratic Party is dominate prior to the election, then it does not matter if 99% of the electorate (the people), vote Trump, 100% of the electors will automatically go to Clinton. This is because the State is democrat, therefore all of the electors go to the candidate of the Democratic Party.

The only time your popular vote matters is if you're in a swing state or a faithless elector state. In which case, it matters a little more, but most of the country do not live in those states. I certainly don't. What about you?

I don't follow. The Electoral College has no super-delegates, with faithless electors being the closest thing. Either by custom or law (there are laws punishing faithless electors in 24 states), the electors are required to vote according to who has the most popular votes. The Electoral College doesn't perfectly mirror the popular vote due to the winner-take-all nature of the Electoral College, but that doesn't seem to be what you're arguing.

Jaslandia wrote:I don't follow. The Electoral College has no super-delegates, with faithless electors being the closest thing. Either by custom or law (there are laws punishing faithless electors in 24 states), the electors are required to vote according to who has the most popular votes. The Electoral College doesn't perfectly mirror the popular vote due to the winner-take-all nature of the Electoral College, but that doesn't seem to be what you're arguing.

*Presses bridge of nose, squints eyes and sighs*

The whole electoral college are like super delegates. The faithful electors HAVE to vote for the party candidate. The Faithless electors don't have to, but they usually do, just like super delegates. All electors that go to the electoral college are a part of the party leadership or affiliated with it (party establishment). Understand?

Aldaur wrote:*Presses bridge of nose, squints eyes and sighs*

The whole electoral college are like super delegates. The faithful electors HAVE to vote for the party candidate. The Faithless electors don't have to, but they usually do, just like super delegates. All electors that go to the electoral college are a part of the party leadership or affiliated with it (party establishment). Understand?

While electors are often party elite, they are still bound one way or another to vote the same way the people vote. There has never been a case where electors voting against the popular vote swung the election.

Jaslandia wrote:While electors are often party elite, they are still bound one way or another to vote the same way the people vote. There has never been a case where electors voting against the popular vote swung the election.

Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. The fact is that the popular vote doesn't matter and the only reason why it has been okay thus far is because the states are dominated by a party that people have recently prescribed to prior to the election. So while it is still rigged, it is close enough to what people usually want that people don't mind that much.

If you're in a state where the majority people are democrats, chances are, you're going to vote for the democrat candidate anyways.

Jaslandia

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Aldaur wrote:Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't. The fact is that the popular vote doesn't matter and the only reason why it has been okay thus far is because the states are dominated by a party that people have recently prescribed to prior to the election. So while it is still rigged, it is close enough to what people usually want that people don't mind that much.

If you're in a state where the majority people are democrats, chances are, you're going to vote for the democrat candidate anyways.

Now I see what you're saying, but even you admit it hasn't happened yet. It could happen in the future, but there are already at least 24 states where it won't happen (because, as I said before, those states don't allow faithless electors who vote against the popular vote).

Aldaur

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Jaslandia wrote:Now I see what you're saying, but even you admit it hasn't happened yet. It could happen in the future, but there are already at least 24 states where it won't happen (because, as I said before, those states don't allow faithless electors who vote against the popular vote).

I didn't say there wasn't any progress on reform, but that still leaves 26 states that are rigged towards the establishment. But it also must be noted that in many, if not, all of those states with those laws only have to listen to the voters in their party. Electors are beholden to their respective party on behalf of the state and because of the first past the post system, they all go to one particular party. So it is still of little importance to vote in most states.

What I want is for people to vote, learn about this, get super pissed off about it, and then reform it rather than just bitch about it.

Jaslandia wrote:

Oh, James. You'll never change, will you?

Why should I? I'm a splendid red engine, really useful, and ready for anything. Why change that?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

James The Red Engine wrote:Why should I? I'm a splendid red engine, really useful, and ready for anything. Why change that?

*rolls eyes*

Penguania And Antarctica

Skard is now Josephgrad. Stay tuned for the gradual Rusofication of New Estaris!

New Estaris wrote:Skard is now Josephgrad. Stay tuned for the gradual Rusofication of New Estaris!

*takes deep breath*

"Himmler"...

New Estaris, Yukona

Continental Commonwealths wrote:*takes deep breath*

"Himmler"...

The people don't have much of a choice.

Nuremgard wrote:Are sexual assaults carried out exclusively by Mexicans?

Are all Muslims extremists?

No government is honest. But the idea that Trump is some beacon of sainthood in this election is utterly laughable. If you have no issue with how he has comported himself and how he has treated women, there's something wrong with you.

No, however they bring more which could be avoided.

no, but most extremists are Muslims, why risk your own people when you dont have to. its a sexist, homophobic and utterly foul ideology and we shouldn't put up with it.

What he said about women wasn't great but it was private locker room talk, im sure youve said similar things about men.

Hes not perfect but he's better that Clinton.

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- 1937 - The Nazi exhibition Der ewige Jude ("The Eternal Jew") opens in Munich.

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- 1942 - World War II: French Resistance coup in Algiers, in which 400 civilian French patriots neutralize Vichyist XIXth Army Corps after 15 hours of fighting, and arrest several Vichyst generals, allowing the immediate success of Operation Torch in Algiers.

- 1950 - Korean War: United States Air Force Lt. Russell J. Brown, while piloting an F-80 Shooting Star, shoots down two North Korean MiG-15s in the first jet aircraft-to-jet aircraft dogfight in history.

- 1957 - Operation Grapple X, Round C1: The United Kingdom conducts its first successful hydrogen bomb test over Kiritimati in the Pacific.

- 1960 - John F. Kennedy defeats Richard Nixon in one of the closest presidential elections of the 20th century to become the 35th president of the United States.

- 1965 - The British Indian Ocean Territory is created, consisting of Chagos Archipelago, Aldabra, Farquhar and Des Roches islands.

- 1966 - Former Massachusetts Attorney General Edward Brooke becomes the first African American elected to the United States Senate since Reconstruction.

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Aetosia wrote:What he said about women wasn't great but it was private locker room talk, im sure youve said similar things about men.

I'd like to note that if anyone I know ever mentioned how they just kiss women, with the implications of trying to get with women, and said women just "let it happen" just because they're famous, popular, or anything related to that, I'd probably cease to talk to them because I know for a fact I've never made comments like that.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Greater Banitia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:I'd like to note that if anyone I know ever mentioned how they just kiss women, with the implications of trying to get with women, and said women just "let it happen" just because they're famous, popular, or anything related to that, I'd probably cease to talk to them because I know for a fact I've never made comments like that.

There's a difference between remarking upon the looks of someone in a crude way and saying "oh yeah I've kissed/touched them up without their consent because that's just how menz are lol"

Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Also the comments were ages ago, and not to mention it was a private conversation, and he was probably trying to big himself up, "im so rich and famous, chicks just let me do whatever and i get so many"

Aetosia wrote:Also the comments were ages ago, and not to mention it was a private conversation, and he was probably trying to big himself up, "im so rich and famous, chicks just let me do whatever and i get so many"

Anyone who does that to women without their consent is a creep. You don't kiss or touch somebody up without their permission.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Aetosia wrote:Also the comments were ages ago, and not to mention it was a private conversation, and he was probably trying to big himself up, "im so rich and famous, chicks just let me do whatever and i get so many"

11 years ago is hardly 'ages ago,' especially when Donald Trump was already 60 with kids and a third wife by then. Someone at his age and stage in life should have the maturity to be above such comments. And as others have saif, those comments weren't just crude; they were talking about sexual assault.

Nuremgard, Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:11 years ago is hardly 'ages ago,' especially when Donald Trump was already 60 with kids and a third wife by then. Someone at his age and stage in life should have the maturity to be above such comments. And as others have saif, those comments weren't just crude; they were talking about sexual assault.

I can agree to his comments having been inappropriate, but I don't believe that being old should keep you from being inappropriate, GC certainly didn't let it stop him.

Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:I can agree to his comments having been inappropriate, but I don't believe that being old should keep you from being inappropriate, GC certainly didn't let it stop him.

George Carlin was a comedian, not a presidential candidate.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:George Carlin was a comedian, not a presidential candidate.

And he believed everything he said, more than can be said for Trump.

Aetosia wrote:No, however they bring more which could be avoided.

no, but most extremists are Muslims, why risk your own people when you dont have to. its a sexist, homophobic and utterly foul ideology and we shouldn't put up with it

Well, to be fair, you're marking a whole religion as though everyone who subscribed to it were some kind of Zealot.

As with all things that humans have taken to, there will be extremists, and as one ISIS defector said when he could escape: "They fill their mouths with Islam, but not their hearts, they speak of Islam, but do not think it".

Basically, most of the middle east could turn against them, and most don't want to kill us.

That said, I support a relatively moderate plan with regards to the refugees, rather than letting them run everywhere.

Aldaur, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:And he believed everything he said, more than can be said for Trump.

Well, to be fair, you're marking a whole religion as though everyone who subscribed to it were some kind of Zealot.

As with all things that humans have taken to, there will be extremists, and as one ISIS defector said when he could escape: [B]"They fill their mouths with Islam, but not their hearts, they speak of Islam, but do not think it".[/B]

Basically, most of the middle east could turn against them, and most don't want to kill us.

That said, I support a relatively moderate plan with regards to the refugees, rather than letting them run everywhere.

Him saying that they're not muslims is no different to me saying he's not. "Isis aren't real Muslims" oh im sorry, i thought destroying false idols was in the quran? i thought women being second class citizens was in the quran? i thought butchering Gays and apostles and anyone of a different faith was in the quran?... oh wait, it is.

Islam is a dangerous ideology.

20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

There are 2,660,116 in the UK thats just over 5% of the total british population, it doesn't seem that much in percentage form but when you look at the real numbers, thats around 520,000 people that feel sympathy and understanding for Terrorist who killed their fellow citizens, its too late for eauope, we are already inundated but America can avoid the issue.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:George Carlin was a comedian, not a presidential candidate.

George Carlin had a sense of taste and decency. Trump has even less than that.

Jaslandia wrote:George Carlin had a sense of taste and decency. Trump has even less than that.

The whole election is a farce. Both candidates are terrible.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Aetosia wrote:Him saying that they're not muslims is no different to me saying he's not. "Isis aren't real Muslims" oh im sorry, i thought destroying false idols was in the quran? i thought women being second class citizens was in the quran? i thought butchering Gays and apostles and anyone of a different faith was in the quran?... oh wait, it is.

Islam is a dangerous ideology.

20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

There are 2,660,116 in the UK thats just over 5% of the total british population, it doesn't seem that much in percentage form but when you look at the real numbers, thats around 520,000 people that feel sympathy and understanding for Terrorist who killed their fellow citizens, its too late for eauope, we are already inundated but America can avoid the issue.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

Mate.

There's just as much violent bullsh!t in the Bible, and frankly, what matters isn't what one reads, but what they take away from it.

ISIS and those fighters are Muslims, indeed, but stating that all Muslims believe in violence is fallacious at best.

Radical islam, just as with Radical Christianity, is oppressive.

Do all Catholics believe in the oldest laws?

I don't believe they all do, and I find the poll worthy of a review and follow up to find out if it is just ignorance of what Sharia law is or an actual belief that it is simply the best.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:Mate.

There's just as much violent bullsh!t in the Bible, and frankly, what matters isn't what one reads, but what they take away from it.

ISIS and those fighters are Muslims, indeed, but stating that all Muslims believe in violence is fallacious at best.

Radical islam, just as with Radical Christianity, is oppressive.

Do all Catholics believe in the oldest laws?

I don't believe they all do, and I find the poll worthy of a review and follow up to find out if it is just ignorance of what Sharia law is or an actual belief that it is simply the best.

As noted by the late Christoper Hitchens, the problem with Islam is that it has not had its enlightenment yet. Christianity has been domesticated since the times when we burned each other for being the wrong type of Christian. Islam needs that kind of transformation too although I do not see that happening any time soon.

Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:Mate.

There's just as much violent bullsh!t in the Bible, and frankly, what matters isn't what one reads, but what they take away from it.

ISIS and those fighters are Muslims, indeed, but stating that all Muslims believe in violence is fallacious at best.

Radical islam, just as with Radical Christianity, is oppressive.

Do all Catholics believe in the oldest laws?

I don't believe they all do, and I find the poll worthy of a review and follow up to find out if it is just ignorance of what Sharia law is or an actual belief that it is simply the best.

The topic isnt christianity and unfortunately we cant get rid of it in the west since its the native faith however we can stop a significantly ore foul religion from taking hold. it doesnt matter what "most" muslims believe, it didnt make the slightest difference to the innocents in Nice or Paris, or those in the WTC or the Londoners on the Bus and the hundreds more all over the world.

It doesnt matter, what matters is stopping it and if that means eradicating Islam then so what? those who defend it are either brainwashed by it or have no idea what it is.

Kalaron wrote:Mate.

There's just as much violent bullsh!t in the Bible, and frankly, what matters isn't what one reads, but what they take away from it.

ISIS and those fighters are Muslims, indeed, but stating that all Muslims believe in violence is fallacious at best.

Radical islam, just as with Radical Christianity, is oppressive.

Do all Catholics believe in the oldest laws?

I don't believe they all do, and I find the poll worthy of a review and follow up to find out if it is just ignorance of what Sharia law is or an actual belief that it is simply the best.

Also this point ^

the difference being that Radical christians at most, picket a funeral or protest anti gay crap, Muslims blow themselves up in markets or bring down towers killing thousands.

Aldaur

Aetosia wrote:Also this point ^

the difference being that Radical christians at most, picket a funeral or protest anti gay crap, Muslims blow themselves up in markets or bring down towers killing thousands.

Radical Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors. Or go on gun rampages.

Aetosia wrote:The topic isnt christianity and unfortunately we cant get rid of it in the west since its the native faith however we can stop a significantly ore foul religion from taking hold. it doesnt matter what "most" muslims believe, it didnt make the slightest difference to the innocents in Nice or Paris, or those in the WTC or the Londoners on the Bus and the hundreds more all over the world.

It doesnt matter, what matters is stopping it and if that means eradicating Islam then so what? those who defend it are either brainwashed by it or have no idea what it is.

How about nuking each other? Exterminate the human species as a whole. That way we never have to deal with problems of any kind again.

Nuremgard, Aetosia

Aetosia wrote:The topic isnt christianity and unfortunately we cant get rid of it in the west since its the native faith however we can stop a significantly ore foul religion from taking hold. it doesnt matter what "most" muslims believe, it didnt make the slightest difference to the innocents in Nice or Paris, or those in the WTC or the Londoners on the Bus and the hundreds more all over the world.

It doesnt matter, what matters is stopping it and if that means eradicating Islam then so what? those who defend it are either brainwashed by it or have no idea what it is.

The road to dystopia begins with fearmongering, and catalyzes with thought crimes and outlawing ideologies you don't like.

I think many of the victims would love knowing their deaths caused the death Of religious liberty, especially

Considering many of them were in fact Muslims.

Jaslandia

Sulania wrote:The road to dystopia begins with fearmongering, and catalyzes with thought crimes and outlawing ideologies you don't like.

I think many of the victims would love knowing their deaths caused the death Of religious liberty, especially

Considering many of them were in fact Muslims.

Was going to make a point about this. Eradicating certain ideas or people is a dangerous prospect. We all know where that leads.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Aetosia wrote:Also this point ^

the difference being that Radical christians at most, picket a funeral or protest anti gay crap, Muslims blow themselves up in markets or bring down towers killing thousands.

Many religions have been known to use terrorism to put forth their view. For Muslims, yes it is extremist, however, this can simply be a mark of the times that the Middle East is in/has been in. In many sense a Muslim who is liberal and is pro-homosexual rights and doesn't believe there's anything wrong with such isn't really a Muslim, in the same way that they wouldn't be a Christian. However, who are we to say that they're this and they're that, it really isn't for us to decide. Furthermore, like anything religion is open to interpretation and the Qu'uran, much like the Bible (and any document for that matter), can be twisted to say many things it meant, didn't mean or didn't include altogether. I don't believe that Islam has had the same chance to progress like Christian countries have, perhaps the strict grip Sunni Islam has on nations with Sharia Law and so on restricts the progressive nature that Christianity had throughout the renaissance and to where we are today. Ultimately, it is a battle between progressive and reactionary factions within the religion that they're going to have to sort out themselves, and the fallout is not going to be easy for them or us.

For referrence, Air India Flight 182 was brought down over the Atlantic by Babbar Khalsa, a Sikh militant group, all 300+ people on-board perished. To say terrorism has no religion is silly, anyone can kill in the name of whatever they like and the problem is ignoring it. Saying that Islam is completely peaceful and ISIS are not Muslim is trying to paint too bright a picture of a dismal scene. Really, they are definitely an Islamist terrorist group and it is until the entirety of the Muslim world is ready to confront its problems and accept progressive figure heads into its ranks, that's when it will stop. As aforementioned, it's progression and reactionism within Islam. However, now the last traditionalist and overall conservative faith left in the world, it has now reached a global scale. Not only do they feel the battle within their own religion but against the entire world. The liberal West scares a lot of traditionalists, and I can understand why, it's not for us to force it onto people but it is up to us to try and fight for freedom from oppression.

Aetosia

Nuremgard wrote:Radical Christians blow up abortion clinics and kill doctors. Or go on gun rampages.

The last anti abortion bombing was like when? 1998?

yeah, there are dangerous christians but most of the time they are acting independently and they are few and far between, there arent any united christian terrorist groups committing crimes on a huge scale.

Sulania wrote:The road to dystopia begins with fearmongering, and catalyzes with thought crimes and outlawing ideologies you don't like.

I think many of the victims would love knowing their deaths caused the death Of religious liberty, especially

Considering many of them were in fact Muslims.

The road to dystopia begins with Ignorance of the threats to public safety, and catalyzes with tolerance and allowance of disgusting crimes through fear.

I think many of the victims and future victims would love knowing their deaths wont mean anything because, Y'know it wasnt all muslims and you cant stop just all muslims because of millions of extremists.

Aldaur

Aetosia wrote:The last anti abortion bombing was like when? 1998?

yeah, there are dangerous christians but most of the time they are acting independently and they are few and far between, there arent any united christian terrorist groups committing crimes on a huge scale.The road to dystopia begins with Ignorance of the threats to public safety, and catalyzes with tolerance and allowance of disgusting crimes through fear.

I think many of the victims and future victims would love knowing their deaths wont mean anything because, Y'know it wasnt all muslims and you cant stop just all muslims because of millions of extremists.

The clash between the West and ISIS reminds me of the Cold War. It's a clash of ideas, of civilisations. If the West is to prevail, we must show why we're the superior culture. And I don't mean superior in the Nazi master race sense, I mean superior in how we treat people, how we conduct ourselves. That's why even a terrorist, when incarcerated, has human rights. We must not become barbarians to fight the barbarians but we cant be too light either.

Penguania And Antarctica

Aetosia wrote:The last anti abortion bombing was like when? 1998?

yeah, there are dangerous christians but most of the time they are acting independently and they are few and far between, there arent any united christian terrorist groups committing crimes on a huge scale.The road to dystopia begins with Ignorance of the threats to public safety, and catalyzes with tolerance and allowance of disgusting crimes through fear.

I think many of the victims and future victims would love knowing their deaths wont mean anything because, Y'know it wasnt all muslims and you cant stop just all muslims because of millions of extremists.

That's not a dystopia, that's more of an anarchy. Hate to say it, but saying that an entire ideology with mostly benign people should be eradicated because you're scared is an ignorant thing.

And we are doing things about it, however destroying one of the defining features of the Western World, the Right to Your Own Religious Liberty, isn't something we should consider. The moment we destroy what we stand for, then what's the point of defending it. We have freedom of religion, that's something these extremists will never have and they hate how we have it. The moment we let fear destroy what defines as a people, they win.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

I agree with the sentiment that muslims should stay out of the West. One terrorist out of a million peaceful muslims is still too many. Even besides that point though, it just doesn't belong here culturally. Islam doesn't belong in the Occident just like Christianity doesn't belong in the Orient. They are culturally incompatible.

On a more fun note:

I was thinking about Alexander Hamilton's proposal to have an elected monarchy, and while it seems radical and absurd to us as Americans, if you think about it, it's a lot less radical for the time. Just food for thought :p

Aldaur wrote:I agree with the sentiment that muslims should stay out of the West. One terrorist out of a million peaceful muslims is still too many. Even besides that point though, it just doesn't belong here culturally. Islam doesn't belong in the Occident just like Christianity doesn't belong in the Orient. They are culturally incompatible.

On a more fun note:

I was thinking about Alexander Hamilton's proposal to have an elected monarchy, and while it seems radical and absurd to us as Americans, if you think about it, it's a lot less radical for the time. Just food for thought :p

Plenty of Asians are Christian. I don't see where you get this idea that people should just stick to their own kind. That's called segregation. Didn't work too well in America or South Africa.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Plenty of Asians are Christian. I don't see where you get this idea that people should just stick to their own kind. That's called segregation. Didn't work too well in America or South Africa.

I know they are and it is wrong. I say that as a Christian. All Christianity has become is a way for the West to dilute the culture of other nations.

It didn't work because they were in areas that were already mixed, but it is much better to keep things homogeneous. Even here in the US, where things are already mixed, we should start mixing and assimilating people more to create a new homogeneous society. Civilization breaks down when there are too many competing factions. History has shown us so many times that diversity fails.

#AssimilationNotAccommodation

Aetosia

Yukona wrote:The liberal West scares a lot of traditionalists, and I can understand why, it's not for us to force it onto people but it is up to us to try and fight for freedom from oppression.

I agree with alot of what you said and it was eloquently put but i feel like this last point needs expanding more. the liberal west is playing a dangerous game, it ignores truth to make events look the way they want them to, they show white cops killing black people- they dont say how more white people are killed by police that blacks, they dont show how more black people are killed by other black people and that black people commit (in the US) a disproportionate amount of crime. if they focused on the truth then we could work on improving the likes of black people so the dont do crime instead of blaming white people.

the media shows all refugees as genuine lovely people,then in reality, most refugees that have been coming over in droves aren't even from syria or iraq, i could understand if they were, the areas where refugees are have skyrocketed in the number of burglary and sexual assault.

Sulania wrote:That's not a dystopia, that's more of an anarchy. Hate to say it, but saying that an entire ideology with mostly benign people should be eradicated because you're scared is an ignorant thing.

And we are doing things about it, however destroying one of the defining features of the Western World, the Right to Your Own Religious Liberty, isn't something we should consider. The moment we destroy what we stand for, then what's the point of defending it. We have freedom of religion, that's something these extremists will never have and they hate how we have it. The moment we let fear destroy what defines as a people, they win.

Ok, eradicate was the wrong word, but Islam isn't a good thing.

Personal freedoms are a defining feature of the west however the laws and liberties we have werent designed with Islam in mnd, islam isnt European and is outside of the rules we have designed for ourselves. How can a tolerant society survive when it is tolerant of intolerance?-it cant becasue the intollerant idology will just walk all over it.

Aldaur wrote:I agree with the sentiment that muslims should stay out of the West. One terrorist out of a million peaceful muslims is still too many. Even besides that point though, it just doesn't belong here culturally. Islam doesn't belong in the Occident just like Christianity doesn't belong in the Orient. They are culturally incompatible.

On a more fun note:

I was thinking about Alexander Hamilton's proposal to have an elected monarchy, and while it seems radical and absurd to us as Americans, if you think about it, it's a lot less radical for the time. Just food for thought :p

ive always thought this, Culture is more of a defining and dividing factor than race.

Nuremgard wrote:Plenty of Asians are Christian. I don't see where you get this idea that people should just stick to their own kind. That's called segregation. Didn't work too well in America or South Africa.

well i mean, sa was more prosperous and people black and white have said that is is in some aspects better than it is now, but i agree, segregation is bad but we arent talking about physical factors here, religion is not genetic, essentially it no different to banning cannibals from entering a country, the individual might like it and believe its right but if they want in then that can just stop.

Aldaur, Yukona

Aetosia wrote:I agree with alot of what you said and it was eloquently put but i feel like this last point needs expanding more. the liberal west is playing a dangerous game, it ignores truth to make events look the way they want them to, they show white cops killing black people- they dont say how more white people are killed by police that blacks, they dont show how more black people are killed by other black people and that black people commit (in the US) a disproportionate amount of crime. if they focused on the truth then we could work on improving the likes of black people so the dont do crime instead of blaming white people.

the media shows all refugees as genuine lovely people,then in reality, most refugees that have been coming over in droves aren't even from syria or iraq, i could understand if they were, the areas where refugees are have skyrocketed in the number of burglary and sexual assault

The media lives for divisiveness.

Aldaur wrote:The media lives for divisiveness.

Sometimes its harmless but when they do it over things like these, its really dangerous.

Aldaur

There we go, my ballot has been cast. Now to wait 7 hours to count them and probably get home at midnight. Kill me now please.

Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Au Minbo wrote:There we go, my ballot has been cast. Now to wait 7 hours to count them and probably get home at midnight. Kill me now please.

Hanging ?

Decapitation?

Shooting ? (heart or head ?)

Electrocution?

Burning to death?

Quartering?

Break on the wheel?

Stoning?

Drowning ?

Bleed out ?

Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Aldaur

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Hanging ?

Decapitation?

Shooting ? (heart or head ?)

Electrocution?

Burning to death?

Quartering?

Break on the wheel?

Stoning?

Drowning ?

Bleed out ?

Crucifixion?

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Crucifixion?

Trust the German to come up with all the inventive ways of killing someone. ;)

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Nuremgard wrote:Trust the German to come up with all the inventive ways of killing someone. ;)

I have another:

Juicification - liquefy someone

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I have another:

Juicification - liquefy someone

Strangulation

Sepuku

Poisoning

Lethal Injection

Gassing

Suffication (plastic bag)

Beating

Necksnapping

Flaying

Nine Tail Flogging

Freezing

Jumping/Pushing

Grinding/Squishing

Shredding

Mauling

Nuremgard wrote:Trust the German to come up with all the inventive ways of killing someone. ;)

Psssh. Who says?

Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Aldaur wrote:Strangulation

Sepuku

Poisoning

Lethal Injection

Gassing

Suffication (plastic bag)

Beating

Necksnapping

Flaying

Nine Tail Flogging

Freezing

Jumping/Pushing

Grinding/Squishing

Shredding

Mauling

Psssh. Who says?

Seems you are an expert. ;)

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems you are an expert. ;)

We got us one kinky f*ck :p

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems you are an expert. ;)

I am just seeing the best way to silence dissent. Jk.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:I am just seeing the best way to silence dissent. Jk.

FASCIST!

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:FASCIST!

That's me :)

Yukona

Aldaur wrote:That's me :)

I'm pretty sure someone told me you were a fascist, so just double checking. I spent some time in the Fascist Order and they tried their best to answer, but how do you deal with the negativity surrounding your chosen ideology?

Aldaur

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:We got us one kinky f*ck :p

Wait, how'd you get those pictures?!

OH! Ald. Okay, carry on.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Wait, how'd you get those pictures?!

OH! Ald. Okay, carry on.

*pulls out secret camera*

Your house was easy to break in ;)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

What in the name of Hades is going on here???

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Well America, you really did prove how awful your political system is. No matter the results, as a nation divided, you need to seriously open your eyes and talk about how to get back on the right path, and end the total dichotomy of your politics.

I hope you all voted for the greater good, and not the lesser of two evils!

Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Turina wrote:Well America, you really did prove how awful your political system is. No matter the results, as a nation divided, you need to seriously open your eyes and talk about how to get back on the right path, and end the total dichotomy of your politics.

I hope you all voted for the greater good, and not the lesser of two evils!

I proudly "wasted my vote" for Governor Gary Johnson this morning.

Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:I proudly "wasted my vote" for Governor Gary Johnson this morning.

Ah yes, the man who doesn't know what Aleppo is. Good choice.

But in all seriousness, I do applaud you for voting FOR a candidate and not against one.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Turina wrote:Ah yes, the man who doesn't know what Aleppo is. Good choice.

But in all seriousness, I do applaud you for voting FOR a candidate and not against one.

Really? That's enough to disqualify a candidate after all the crazy sh!t the big two have said? Hang it up with bloody Aleppo!

Baxten, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Turina

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Really? That's enough to disqualify a candidate after all the crazy sh!t the big two have said? Hang it up with bloody Aleppo!

I was kidding.

Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Really? That's enough to disqualify a candidate after all the crazy sh!t the big two have said? Hang it up with bloody Aleppo!

That heart attack thing he did was hilarious.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Turina, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Baxten wrote:That heart attack thing he did was hilarious.

Lol that's Gary

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:Really? That's enough to disqualify a candidate after all the crazy sh!t the big two have said? Hang it up with bloody Aleppo!

It doesn't actually instill confidence...

Nonetheless

Barack Obama breaking up Trump and Clinton supporters when the election results are announced.

https://youtu.be/WPYqRaOm1ak?t=111

Vista Major

Baxten wrote:That heart attack thing he did was hilarious.

I don't share your amusement

Nuremgard wrote:Barack Obama breaking up Trump and Clinton supporters when the election results are announced.

https://youtu.be/WPYqRaOm1ak?t=111

Basically

Vista Major wrote:It doesn't actually instill confidence...

Nonetheless

Vista Major wrote:I don't share your amusement

Vista Major wrote:I don't share your amusement

If I was in that situation I too would pull off a patented Gary Johnson Tactical Heart Attack

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Vista Major wrote:I don't share your amusement

I know you're Jill Stein or Bust, but it's not like either have a chance, unfortunate that may be.

Yukona wrote:I'm pretty sure someone told me you were a fascist, so just double checking. I spent some time in the Fascist Order and they tried their best to answer, but how do you deal with the negativity surrounding your chosen ideology?

I've talked about this many times. I call it being an Ambassador of Fascism. Basically we need to dress well, always be polite, always follow the law, be kind, participate in community service and politely inform people about Fascism. Talk about it in your work place, your school and with your friends. Going door to door passing out pamphlets like Jehova Witnesses or Mormons. Be annoyingly nice and do all of these things while openly being Fascist. It will take awhile but this is the best way to bring a positive light to Fascism. Also, constantly denouncing Nazism and educating people about the differences and why Fascists have a disdain for Nazis, will do a great deal.

Baxten wrote:I know you're Jill Stein or Bust, but it's not like either have a chance, unfortunate that may be.

Political scientists and media outlets often take much of the electorate for granted

Vista Major wrote:Political scientists and media outlets often take much of the electorate for granted

I won't deny it, but I stand next to my statement

But I (and I mean I did; long story) voted a Libertarian for our mayor, so I hope gen wins. His platform was actually really good.

Vista Major wrote:It doesn't actually instill confidence...

Nonetheless

I mean, I'm more confidant in Johnson's ability to not do anything traumatic to our nation than I am in HC or T.

Besides, Gary might have fumbled, but at least he doesn't need a teleprompter or a earpiece.

Baxten wrote:I won't deny it, but I stand next to my statement

But I (and I mean I did; long story) voted a Libertarian for our mayor, so I hope gen wins. His platform was actually really good.

To have no chance is to not be on the ballot. Which she and Gary are.

Great :)

Minnesota Dakota

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Fellow Citizens of the CFN

I have decided to remove myself from consideration for the position of Vice President. I feel remaining as the Speaker of the House of Delegates is my best option at this time. I am honored to have been nominated by my friend President [nation=short]Humpheria Major[/nation], but I think I am a cat of the legislature, and I currently prefer to stay there. However, if it is discovered to be imperative that I accept another nomination to the office of Vice President, I will consider it again.

Thank you very much, to the President and to all of you.

Kind Regards

☿ Merc

Speaker of the House of Delegates

Bearlong, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

I have updated my flag accordingly.

http://imgur.com/HuUIYqj

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:To have no chance is to not be on the ballot. Which she and Gary are.

Great :)

Have we ever had a 3rd part candidate?

No

Are the polls in favor of 3rd party candidates?

No

Are Americans known for their intellect and ability to change?

No

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Minnesota Dakota

"Royalist is the most offensive slur in the New Estarisian language."

You are all royalists!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

I already despise the electoral college as it is, but at least make it proportional. It's so stupid how if one candidate wins, they get all of those states electors. Or am I wrong about this?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur

Turina wrote:I already despise the electoral college as it is, but at least make it proportional. It's so stupid how if one candidate wins, they get all of those states electors. Or am I wrong about this?

I mean, you're right for 48 of the 50 states. Maine and Nebraska have a different form called the Congressional District Method, in which each electoral district allots one elector while the overall state winner will get two.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Sulania wrote:I mean, you're right for 48 of the 50 states. Maine and Nebraska have a different form called the Congressional District Method, in which each electoral district allots one elector while the overall state winner will get two.

Your entire electoral system confuses me.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:Your entire electoral system confuses me.

You and me both

Aldaur

New Estaris wrote:"Royalist is the most offensive slur in the New Estarisian language."

You are all royalists!

Sensitive democrats

Baxten wrote:Have we ever had a 3rd part candidate?

No

Are the polls in favor of 3rd party candidates?

No

Are Americans known for their intellect and ability to change?

No

*blink*

True

Debatable

New Estaris

Sulania wrote:I mean, you're right for 48 of the 50 states. Maine and Nebraska have a different form called the Congressional District Method, in which each electoral district allots one elector while the overall state winner will get two.

The whole country needs to be proportional and be based on the popular vote. If 40% of people vote Republican, then 40% of the electors ought to go to the Republican candidate, and vice versa for Democrats.

Nuremgard, Vista Major

Personally, I think the way it needs to be done is that each state gets one Electoral Vote, based upon the popular vote from each state. In the event of a tie, the House of Representatives can do its thing.

Not sure if this would be popular with a lot of people, but I think it would make things fair. In this way each vote would count, however someone from a small state would have the same voting power as someone from a large, and vice-versa.

Just my opinion though, I doubt that idea would ever take off, or actually be used.

Nuremgard

Tserra wrote:Personally, I think the way it needs to be done is that each state gets one Electoral Vote, based upon the popular vote from each state. In the event of a tie, the House of Representatives can do its thing.

Not sure if this would be popular with a lot of people, but I think it would make things fair. In this way each vote would count, however someone from a small state would have the same voting power as someone from a large, and vice-versa.

Just my opinion though, I doubt that idea would ever take off, or actually be used.

Small states would have disproportionate power to large states. That's why we have two houses and why thr electoral college is made up of both. The set up of the electoral college is fine, but the allocation of the votes needs to be changed.

Aldaur wrote:Small states would have disproportionate power to large states. That's why we have two houses and why thr electoral college is made up of both. The set up of the electoral college is fine, but the allocation of the votes needs to be changed.

Abolish the college.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Nuremgard wrote:Abolish the college.

Abolish the Senate, while you're at it

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