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Jaslandia wrote:I meant my comment in the sense that Trump should be more active during his presidency-elect; he should be visiting foreign countries and educating himself about policy instead of getting into Twitter wars and ranting about the recounts.

See, I figured, and was making a joke :P

Besides, both sides are a little hypocritical here, and besides that, there are plenty of weeks for him to do those things alongside his current twitter wars.

Honestly, It's stupid on both sides.

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:See, I figured, and was making a joke :P

Besides, both sides are a little hypocritical here, and besides that, there are plenty of weeks for him to do those things alongside his current twitter wars.

Honestly, It's stupid on both sides.

Eisenhower was in Korea at this time, so even if Trump has until January 20, he still has some catch-up to do.

Humpheria Major wrote:Tread lightly, comrade. ;)

Being a libertarian myself, I'm curious how you reconcile your libertarianism with your support for Trump. Having followed Gary Johnson and anti-Trump Canadian libertarians throughout the election, I've the argument against plenty of times. What's the argument for?

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Jaslandia wrote:Eisenhower was in Korea at this time, so even if Trump has until January 20, he still has some catch-up to do.

Eh, that's if he wants to be an amazing president elect compared to a great dude.

Compared to modern politicians, I'd be happy if he doesn't have a break down like Anthony Weiner.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Being a libertarian myself

That's a fascinating political view point, but aren't the core functions of libertarianism flawed? Little/no government would just lead to several/one major cooperation(s) maintaining control, if not through forced consumerism, than by controlling water/food supply. Like in the US, look at what DaPL is able to do, imagine what they could do in a libertarian state!

(I wrote this on a phone, sorry for spelling errors)

Andromitus wrote:That's a fascinating political view point, but aren't the core functions of libertarianism flawed? Little/no government would just lead to several/one major cooperation(s) maintaining control, if not through forced consumerism, than by controlling water/food supply. Like in the US, look at what DaPL is able to do, imagine what they could do in a libertarian state!

(I wrote this on a phone, sorry for spelling errors)

As a Libertarian Socialist/Left Libertarian, hmm...

Sulania wrote:As a Libertarian Socialist/Left Libertarian, hmm...

Wait, isn't libertarian socialism is just anarchy... you socialize everything into government, than get rid of the government...

Andromitus wrote:Wait, isn't libertarian socialism is just anarchy... you socialize everything into government, than get rid of the government...

Libertarianism isn't the elimination of government, that is anarchism. Anarchism is lack of government, libertarians want to make the government smaller not get rid of it.

Vista Major, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Libertarianism isn't the elimination of government, that is anarchism. Anarchism is lack of government, libertarians want to make the government smaller not get rid of it.

I believe in a strong government to provide public services and regulation.

Aldaur, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Libertarianism isn't the elimination of government, that is anarchism. Anarchism is lack of government, libertarians want to make the government smaller not get rid of it.

Still, the term is relatively contradictory...

I screwed up my nation and am trying to fix it haha, I am more of a Communo-Capitol/Democratic Socialist nation in theory [Read my faq, it gets confusing]

The whole point of my nations government is a centrally-decentralized form of local systems rather than a primary, overarching government.

Ohio State attacker is a Somali born muslim who says that if the US wants lone wolf attacks to stop, we need to make peace with ISIS and allow more muslims in, as well as treat them better. Because that is what we want.....to allow more of them in so they can keep attacking us. They don't get to dictate our policy, and if they are so dissatisfied, they can leave. If they are going to be here, they need to assimilate and stop attacking people.

Chatawa, Turina

Oh my goodness. I just saw a bunch of pictures of ballerina feet. They fvck up their feet big time. Gross.

Aldaur wrote:Ohio State attacker is a Somali born muslim who says that if the US wants lone wolf attacks to stop, we need to make peace with ISIS and allow more muslims in, as well as treat them better. Because that is what we want.....to allow more of them in so they can keep attacking us. They don't get to dictate our policy, and if they are so dissatisfied, they can leave. If they are going to be here, they need to assimilate and stop attacking people.

Well, first, that is a bit of a fallacy.

I wholeheartedly agree that the extremists who would rather attack innocent people for simple life style choices should leave, but the views of extremist elements do not represent the views of everyone or even most of them really. I believe that both sides have to make a show of tolerance for each other, and I doubt stating that muslims as a whole need to "assimilate and stop attacking people" will help at all due to the fact that most simply don't.

Look, the Lad surely felt that Muslims were being wronged in some way, and it is thus imperative to both protect ourselves and work to show that we aren't who he makes us out to be, and statements disparaging Muslims as a group simply isn't conductive towards that end.

The dude is a sicko and I wish he'd get the firing squad, but the simple truth is that quite a few of the killers really believe that what they will do will shock some sort of bettering change, or will hurt those who would hurt others, and we need to show that there is no uniform hatred for them (Something that wont happen, as the News agencies would sooner drown than show some good news)

In conclusion, yeah, dude should get execution, but people shouldn't make statements about the whole group based on the beliefs of extremists.

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:Ohio State attacker is a Somali born muslim who says that if the US wants lone wolf attacks to stop, we need to make peace with ISIS and allow more muslims in, as well as treat them better. Because that is what we want.....to allow more of them in so they can keep attacking us. They don't get to dictate our policy, and if they are so dissatisfied, they can leave. If they are going to be here, they need to assimilate and stop attacking people.

I don't know why this reminded me of it, but remember a while back when a bunch of armed midwestern occupied a government building? I'm simply astonished how the US government is treating unarmed protesters in North Dakota (using concussion grenades, water cannons, attack dogs, etc.), but they literally did nothing about armed men with guns, taking over a government building. Again, I don't know why your post reminded me of this but it did.

Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:Well, first, that is a bit of a fallacy.

I wholeheartedly agree that the extremists who would rather attack innocent people for simple life style choices should leave, but the views of extremist elements do not represent the views of everyone or even most of them really. I believe that both sides have to make a show of tolerance for each other, and I doubt stating that muslims as a whole need to "assimilate and stop attacking people" will help at all due to the fact that most simply don't.

Look, the Lad surely felt that Muslims were being wronged in some way, and it is thus imperative to both protect ourselves and work to show that we aren't who he makes us out to be, and statements disparaging Muslims as a group simply isn't conductive towards that end.

The dude is a sicko and I wish he'd get the firing squad, but the simple truth is that quite a few of the killers really believe that what they will do will shock some sort of bettering change, or will hurt those who would hurt others, and we need to show that there is no uniform hatred for them (Something that wont happen, as the News agencies would sooner drown than show some good news)

In conclusion, yeah, dude should get execution, but people shouldn't make statements about the whole group based on the beliefs of extremists.

I'm not saying we should kick them out, but if they don't want to abide by our values, they can leave instead of killing people. I didn't mean all muslims, but the ones that are dissatisfied.

Turina wrote:I don't know why this reminded me of it, but remember a while back when a bunch of armed midwestern occupied a government building? I'm simply astonished how the US government is treating unarmed protesters in North Dakota (using concussion grenades, water cannons, attack dogs, etc.), but they literally did nothing about armed men with guns, taking over a government building. Again, I don't know why your post reminded me of this but it did.

You mean in Oregon? The armed take over of a government building was a wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Aldaur wrote:I'm not saying we should kick them out, but if they don't want to abide by our values, they can leave instead of killing people. I didn't mean all muslims, but the ones that are dissatisfied.

You mean in Oregon? The armed take over of a government building was a wildlife refuge in Oregon.

Also, the Ohio State attacker is already dead. He got shot by our heroic police.

The armed men in Oregon should all be put in prison.

Chatawa

Turina wrote:I don't know why this reminded me of it, but remember a while back when a bunch of armed midwestern occupied a government building? I'm simply astonished how the US government is treating unarmed protesters in North Dakota (using concussion grenades, water cannons, attack dogs, etc.), but they literally did nothing about armed men with guns, taking over a government building. Again, I don't know why your post reminded me of this but it did.

The armed men took over an unoccupied building without intent to do violence. They were misguided and a mockery of what it means to be a 3%er, but regardless they weren't a threat to anyone but themselves really.

The protestors in NoDak on the other hand are actively trespassing and interfering with a private business transaction. And the fact that they are using water cannons and flash bangs shouldn't come as a surprise. Those are crowd dispersal devices. Things like this are literally what they were designed to deal with.

I am in no way defending the group that took over the building. I'm simply pointing out the differences in the two cases.

Aldaur

Chatawa wrote:The armed men took over an unoccupied building without intent to do violence. They were misguided and a mockery of what it means to be a 3%er, but regardless they weren't a threat to anyone but themselves really.

The protestors in NoDak on the other hand are actively trespassing and interfering with a private business transaction. And the fact that they are using water cannons and flash bangs shouldn't come as a surprise. Those are crowd dispersal devices. Things like this are literally what they were designed to deal with.

I am in no way defending the group that took over the building. I'm simply pointing out the differences in the two cases.

Both groups should have the arses thrown in jail for defying the State and seeking to disturb the peace.

Chatawa

Chatawa wrote:The armed men took over an unoccupied building without intent to do violence. They were misguided and a mockery of what it means to be a 3%er, but regardless they weren't a threat to anyone but themselves really.

The protestors in NoDak on the other hand are actively trespassing and interfering with a private business transaction. And the fact that they are using water cannons and flash bangs shouldn't come as a surprise. Those are crowd dispersal devices. Things like this are literally what they were designed to deal with.

I am in no way defending the group that took over the building. I'm simply pointing out the differences in the two cases.

Seems the US is really concerned about 'revolts'. Maybe they fear the rise of another Lenin in their own nation pointing out how sick the US system is.

Just a thought tho.

Aldaur

They two cases do beautifully illustrate the differences of what happens when the gvt is scared of the people versus not though. They left the guys in Oregon alone because they were heavily armed. Eventually, they got bored and went away.

The folks in NoDak are not armed and are just being loud and obnoxious, so the gvt is just continuing with business if you will.

Again, I don't have a dog in either hunt, I just think both of them are interesting.

Aldaur, Tserra

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems the US is really concerned about 'revolts'. Maybe they fear the rise of another Lenin in their own nation pointing out how sick the US system is.

Just a thought tho.

We need a Mussolini, not a Lenin. The situation here isn't actually that bad, but the perception that it is horrid is quitr prevalent. What we really need is another Truman or Eisenhower.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seems the US is really concerned about 'revolts'. Maybe they fear the rise of another Lenin in their own nation pointing out how sick the US system is.

Just a thought tho.

To be fair, the German Government has also utilized water-cannons in the recent past, and most governments still use them in some effect (SK is far, far worse as they add Capsaicin to the water, last I heard)

I should think most countries are as scared of revolt as America would be, especially since quite a few American's tend to resist education with a passion, but are impassioned at the thought of destroying the "Establishment"

Chatawa wrote:They two cases do beautifully illustrate the differences of what happens when the gvt is scared of the people versus not though. They left the guys in Oregon alone because they were heavily armed. Eventually, they got bored and went away.

The folks in NoDak are not armed and are just being loud and obnoxious, so the gvt is just continuing with business if you will.

Again, I don't have a dog in either hunt, I just think both of them are interesting.

Well, the last time a US department attempted to handle homegrown extremists of a different sort than usual, it went quite horribly for all parties involved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege)

Chatawa, Aldaur

Hmm Asians commit the lowest percentage of crime total and are consistently below 2% on all crimes except gambling and prostitution, which are still below 4%. Their total crime percentage is 1.2%.

Kalaron wrote:To be fair, the German Government has also utilized water-cannons in the recent past, and most governments still use them in some effect (SK is far, far worse as they add Capsaicin to the water, last I heard)

I should think most countries are as scared of revolt as America would be, especially since quite a few American's tend to resist education with a passion, but are impassioned at the thought of destroying the "Establishment"

Well, the last time a US department attempted to handle homegrown extremists of a different sort than usual, it went quite horribly for all parties involved (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege)

If you have the time, the mood, the energy and the kindness to tell me what SK means I would be very grateful, my liege.

Chatawa wrote:The armed men took over an unoccupied building without intent to do violence. They were misguided and a mockery of what it means to be a 3%er, but regardless they weren't a threat to anyone but themselves really.

The protestors in NoDak on the other hand are actively trespassing and interfering with a private business transaction. And the fact that they are using water cannons and flash bangs shouldn't come as a surprise. Those are crowd dispersal devices. Things like this are literally what they were designed to deal with.

I am in no way defending the group that took over the building. I'm simply pointing out the differences in the two cases.

How would we know whether they would have used their arms to harm people? The protestors in North Dakota are trying to stop a disastrous pipeline from being built. Not only would it contribute to climate change, but it runs right through Indigenous lands which said Indigenous people have said they don't want the pipeline. In addition, the pipeline runs right along the Missouri River which is the source of water for hundreds of cities and Indigenous tribes. The environmental concerns have already been outlined and are clear and legitimate, yet Dakota Access has been given eminent domain rights to construct this monstrosity.

Aldaur

Turina wrote:How would we know whether they would have used their arms to harm people? The protestors in North Dakota are trying to stop a disastrous pipeline from being built. Not only would it contribute to climate change, but it runs right through Indigenous lands which said Indigenous people have said they don't want the pipeline. In addition, the pipeline runs right along the Missouri River which is the source of water for hundreds of cities and Indigenous tribes. The environmental concerns have already been outlined and are clear and legitimate, yet Dakota Access has been given eminent domain rights to construct this monstrosity.

One woman, an unarmed one at that, might have to get her arm amputated because a concussion grenade was thrown at her. That's the kind of force the police have used on these protesters, yet did nothing over terrorists who occupied a government building.

Turina wrote:How would we know whether they would have used their arms to harm people? The protestors in North Dakota are trying to stop a disastrous pipeline from being built. Not only would it contribute to climate change, but it runs right through Indigenous lands which said Indigenous people have said they don't want the pipeline. In addition, the pipeline runs right along the Missouri River which is the source of water for hundreds of cities and Indigenous tribes. The environmental concerns have already been outlined and are clear and legitimate, yet Dakota Access has been given eminent domain rights to construct this monstrosity.

Speaking of climate change, I read this article about Putin's ambitions in the Arctic, the establishment of military bases in the arctic and the patrols of ice breaker ships with more in production. Russia has had a lot of disputes with Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Finland, Canada and the US over the Arctic islands which contain a lot of untapped resources. It looks like Putin is just waiting for climate change to keep going so as soon as the arctic opens up completely, Russia will be ready to pounce and dominate the arctic. In comparison to the US, which does not have an arctic strategy.

We need to get out of the ME and pivot towards Asia and the Arctic, as those will be there future theatres of conflict for the US. In the mean time, you Canadians and Norwegians especially need to boost your arctic defenses and military readiness. What you have now is not enough to stop Russia without our help and we can't get up there that fast. Better begin manufacturing ice breakers.

Turina

Aldaur wrote:Speaking of climate change, I read this article about Putin's ambitions in the Arctic, the establishment of military bases in the arctic and the patrols of ice breaker ships with more in production. Russia has had a lot of disputes with Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Finland, Canada and the US over the Arctic islands which contain a lot of untapped resources. It looks like Putin is just waiting for climate change to keep going so as soon as the arctic opens up completely, Russia will be ready to pounce and dominate the arctic. In comparison to the US, which does not have an arctic strategy.

We need to get out of the ME and pivot towards Asia and the Arctic, as those will be there future theatres of conflict for the US. In the mean time, you Canadians and Norwegians especially need to boost your arctic defenses and military readiness. What you have now is not enough to stop Russia without our help and we can't get up there that fast. Better begin manufacturing ice breakers.

I would like to see how far Putin could manage to claim without having NATO or some joint force forcibly protecting their sovereign land. I think we make a bigger fear over how powerful Putin is than what's reality. There's only so much he can do when the entire world (sorry Bashar) is against him.

Aldaur, Kalaron

Aldaur wrote:Speaking of climate change, I read this article about Putin's ambitions in the Arctic, the establishment of military bases in the arctic and the patrols of ice breaker ships with more in production. Russia has had a lot of disputes with Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Finland, Canada and the US over the Arctic islands which contain a lot of untapped resources. It looks like Putin is just waiting for climate change to keep going so as soon as the arctic opens up completely, Russia will be ready to pounce and dominate the arctic. In comparison to the US, which does not have an arctic strategy.

We need to get out of the ME and pivot towards Asia and the Arctic, as those will be there future theatres of conflict for the US. In the mean time, you Canadians and Norwegians especially need to boost your arctic defenses and military readiness. What you have now is not enough to stop Russia without our help and we can't get up there that fast. Better begin manufacturing ice breakers.

Yeah no.

Russia lacks the ports or funds to handle and care for their pre-existing soviet vessels -the most advanced of which is currently rotting outside of a port right now!- and I highly doubt that they would suddenly try to make headway in the Artic -with the goal of warring with either Canada or Norway- with such dated ship designs backing up an actually smaller fleet of war-capable ice-breakers.

Russia lacks the maritime tradition, technological know-how, funds, ports, designs...ect...ect... to actually begin to threaten others with fleets, when the Artic would probably be a hellish march of death when these icebreakers fight against Attack Submarines.

Have I mentioned how ridiculous the idea that he would attack is, by the way?

Canada is a sovereign nation, but is a close ally of the UK and the US, which leads to the inherent fear of MAD.

Seriously, claims like these are practically the same as those calling the T-14 Armata the "Ultimate in tank design" because it's Russian, they have no purpose but to annoy the folks who know about the subject, and incite paranoia in others.

Turina wrote:I would like to see how far Putin could manage to claim without having NATO or some joint force forcibly protecting their sovereign land. I think we make a bigger fear over how powerful Putin is than what's reality. There's only so much he can do when the entire world (sorry Bashar) is against him.

Well, with the US against Putin, he is nothing. But, if we're not paying attention or are unwilling to take action like when he took a chunk of Ukraine, he could just do the same in the Arctic. That would stimulate their economy a great deal and would make them more powerful. We cannot allow that to happen. NATO needs to be on Russia's heels, and I worry now that Trump wants to make friends with Putin, and France could possibly elect a President that wants to do the same, NATO won't be doing it's job.

Climate change is a threat to our national security whether people believe it is man-made or not. The Arctic is melting, which grants access to Russia and eliminates the kill zone (an area that acts like a bottleneck for Russia's Navy) in the Arctic Sea. There will be great famines and droughts, which will cause further destabilization in areas that are dry like North Africa and the Middle East, which undoubtedly cause terrorism to foster. Tsunamis will become more frequently in the Caribbean and Asia, which will mean more disaster relief and refugees. Climate change will alter the geopolitical make up, as States seek to survive by taking resources from nations. The next few centuries are going to suck.

Jaslandia, Turina

Kalaron wrote:Yeah no.

Russia lacks the ports or funds to handle and care for their pre-existing soviet vessels -the most advanced of which is currently rotting outside of a port right now!- and I highly doubt that they would suddenly try to make headway in the Artic -with the goal of warring with either Canada or Norway- with such dated ship designs backing up an actually smaller fleet of war-capable ice-breakers.

Russia lacks the maritime tradition, technological know-how, funds, ports, designs...ect...ect... to actually begin to threaten others with fleets, when the Artic would probably be a hellish march of death when these icebreakers fight against Attack Submarines.

Have I mentioned how ridiculous the idea that he would attack is, by the way?

Canada is a sovereign nation, but is a close ally of the UK and the US, which leads to the inherent fear of MAD.

Seriously, claims like these are practically the same as those calling the T-14 Armata the "Ultimate in tank design" because it's Russian, they have no purpose but to annoy the folks who know about the subject, and incite paranoia in others.

I never said Russia would attack those nations, but that they had land disputes with those nations and they are planning on taking land in the arctic. This would grant them a lot of resources, which would improve their economy, making them more powerful.

Random side note: I want an urban carry holster :D

Aldaur wrote:I never said Russia would attack those nations, but that they had land disputes with those nations and they are planning on taking land in the arctic. This would grant them a lot of resources, which would improve their economy, making them more powerful.

Yeah, but the only way for Russia to take those lands is to to take them or penetrate into the sovereign sea of Canada.

This would basically lead to the small number of Russian ships being lead away, or engaging in war.

Let's take on the idea that Russia leaves...they don't take the island.

Let's take the idea that Russia has the balls to declare war...their navy is plunged into a thousand years of darkness, and loses.

Aldaur wrote:Random side note: I want an urban carry holster :D

I'd honestly just want to make some improvised body armour.

Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:Yeah, but the only way for Russia to take those lands is to to take them or penetrate into the sovereign sea of Canada.

This would basically lead to the small number of Russian ships being lead away, or engaging in war.

Let's take on the idea that Russia leaves...they don't take the island.

Let's take the idea that Russia has the balls to declare war...their navy is plunged into a thousand years of darkness, and loses.

I'd honestly just want to make some improvised body armour.

Unless the US joined in, Canada would probably lose. But, I don't think they will declare war. They'll just move a bunch of soldiers there and say "What soldiers"? They'll also just day that those islands aren't owned by anyone but them. China is doing the same crap in the South China Sea.

They have bullet proof suits that look like a normal suit. Pretty slick.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Being a libertarian myself, I'm curious how you reconcile your libertarianism with your support for Trump. Having followed Gary Johnson and anti-Trump Canadian libertarians throughout the election, I've the argument against plenty of times. What's the argument for?

I am a libertarian-leaning Republican not a Libertarian but I did not vote for Trump in the primary. In fact I actively campaigned against him, but as a party loyalist, I support Trump because I support a unified Republican government.

Continental Commonwealths

Aldaur wrote:Unless the US joined in, Canada would probably lose. But, I don't think they will declare war. They'll just move a bunch of soldiers there and say "What soldiers"? They'll also just day that those islands aren't owned by anyone but them. China is doing the same crap in the South China Sea.

They have bullet proof suits that look like a normal suit. Pretty slick.

I mean, or not...

Even Canada could hold it's own, and that's without the allies in the UK.

China's case against a few small Asian nations is different than Russia invading the sovereign lands of Canada.

They can try it, but it'll trigger war.

Aldaur

As the resident Scot I would like to wish myself a happy St. Andrew's Day and good luck for my economics exam. St. Andrew, smile upon me, a man of your patron country and let me pass.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Turina

Must note, I seem to have been made Second lady of the CFN.

This is an unexpected and strange thing.

I am not certain how I feel about this.

Nuremgard wrote:As the resident Scot I would like to wish myself a happy St. Andrew's Day and good luck for my economics exam. St. Andrew, smile upon me, a man of your patron country and let me pass.

Good luck to you sir!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Humpheria Major

Kalaron wrote:Must note, I seem to have been made Second lady of the CFN.

This is an unexpected and strange thing.

I am not certain how I feel about this.

Just accept it, b!tch.

Kalaron

Kalaron wrote:Must note, I seem to have been made Second lady of the CFN.

This is an unexpected and strange thing.

I am not certain how I feel about this.

You are copulating with the Vice President, consequentially you are Second Lady.

Turina wrote:Good luck to you sir!

Cheers.

Sulania wrote:Just accept it, b!tch.

After all this talk about climate change and terrorism, this crossed the line

Don't curse at your lover, jackass

Vista Major wrote:After all this talk about climate change and terrorism, this crossed the line

Don't curse at your lover, jackass

I mean, I'm fine with it ;p

Humpheria Major wrote:You are copulating with the Vice President, consequentially you are Second Lady.

I suppose this is true, if an extremely weird way to describe it.

I propose we establish ourselves a nonpolitical royal house. William and Mary? Now we'll have Kalium and Sully.

They must, of course, sire some children in the soon while. Or adopt.

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:I propose we return to the idea of making Turina the Supreme Leader

It's about time someone brought it up.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths

Vista Major wrote:I propose we establish ourselves a nonpolitical royal house. William and Mary? Now we'll have Kalium and Sully.

They must, of course, sire some children in the soon while. Or adopt.

Just so long as we don't make it official. I still have bad memories from the Montaris royalty thing. *thousand yard stare*

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Jaslandia wrote:Just so long as we don't make it official. I still have bad memories from the Montaris royalty thing. *thousand yard stare*

Don't worry. Kal and Sul will be good king and pet

Turina wrote:It's about time someone brought it up.

You can be Duke

Turina, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:I propose we establish ourselves a nonpolitical royal house. William and Mary? Now we'll have Kalium and Sully.

They must, of course, sire some children in the soon while. Or adopt.

No on two counts

Jaslandia wrote:Just so long as we don't make it official. I still have bad memories from the Montaris royalty thing. *thousand yard stare*

No.

N.

O.

How about no royalty at all.

Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Vista Major wrote:Don't worry. Kal and Sul will be good king and pet

You can be Duke

Bah! How dull and derelict that ghastly office is! I demand the throne and nothing less!

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:You can be Duke

Duke? Would that suit His Grace?

https://youtu.be/9gRnjqckJGw

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Duke

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Turina wrote:Bah! How dull and derelict that ghastly office is! I demand the throne and nothing less!

You shall have [I]a[/I] throne. Honorary Father of the King Sul

Percyton wrote:Duke? Would that suit His Grace?

https://youtu.be/9gRnjqckJGw

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Duke

It should, dearest Percy

Jaslandia

What's a good name for an Alliance of the Free World that would encompass all of the NATO and EU nations, but also S Korea, Japan, Israel and the Commonwealth nations, and be made into a good acronym like NATO? Any ideas?

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:What's a good name for an Alliance of the Free World that would encompass all of the NATO and EU nations, but also S Korea, Japan, Israel and the Commonwealth nations, and be made into a good acronym like NATO? Any ideas?

Coalition for the Advancement of Developed Nations (CADN, pronounced "Kayden")

Union of National and International Entities (UNIE, pronounced "uni")

International Coalition of Earth (ICE)

Aldaur

It is written

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=730782

Jaslandia, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:Coalition for the Advancement of Developed Nations (CADN, pronounced "Kayden")

Union of National and International Entities (UNIE, pronounced "uni")

International Coalition of Earth (ICE)

Meh, they sound weird. Though, the best I could come up with was NATO: New Allied Treaty Organization, but that's also lame :p

Vista Major wrote:It is written

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=730782

A new royalty? That sounds cool! Thomas wanted me to convey his greetings to the House of Darke, and he hopes that the House of Darke and the Percytonian monarchy can enjoy friendly relations.

Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:A new royalty? That sounds cool! Thomas wanted me to convey his greetings to the House of Darke, and he hopes that the House of Darke and the Percytonian monarchy can enjoy friendly relations.

I fully disagree with the notion of royals.

I am absolutely disengaged from this in all but (New) title.

Percyton

Kalaron wrote:I fully disagree with the notion of royals.

I am absolutely disengaged from this in all but (New) title.

I'm sorry to hear that, Kal. Does that mean you don't like me, since I'm a royal?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, Kal. Does that mean you don't like me, since I'm a royal?

It's alright, Percy. I'm sure Kal likes you, and so do a lot of other people.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Percyton wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, Kal. Does that mean you don't like me, since I'm a royal?

Never said that, just that I find the idea of one person being better by blood a tad disgruntling.

Train's ain't got blood I hear, so we're cool.

That said, I will admit to the title of "Lord of Cinder, partner of the King" being a hell of a lot better than "Prince-Consort".

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:It's alright, Percy. I'm sure Kal likes you, and so do a lot of other people.

Thanks, Jas.

Kalaron wrote:Never said that, just that I find the idea of one person being better by blood a tad disgruntling.

Train's ain't got blood I hear, so we're cool.

That said, I will admit to the title of "Lord of Cinder, partner of the King" being a hell of a lot better than "Prince-Consort".

That's good. I'm glad to hear that, Kal. Besides, Percyton's royals aren't based on blood; not only do we not have blood, like you said, but the monarchs of Percyton are actually elected by the Supreme Council.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Thanks, Jas.

That's good. I'm glad to hear that, Kal. Besides, Percyton's royals aren't based on blood; not only do we not have blood, like you said, but the monarchs of Percyton are actually elected by the Supreme Council.

Well alrighty, glad to hear it.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Fvck.

I just realized...

Some poor shlubs are gonna enter, and think I'm a bloody woman because of Humph.

Penguania And Antarctica

News Update: The lady is now flirting with my friend.

New Estaris wrote:News Update: The lady is now flirting with my friend.

Bro code dude.

Tell him she's a piece of sh!t.

Penguania And Antarctica, New Estaris

Kalaron wrote:Bro code dude.

Tell him she's a piece of sh!t.

WAAAAY ahead of you.

Jaslandia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Fvck.

I just realized...

Some poor shlubs are gonna enter, and think I'm a bloody woman because of Humph.

I think its kinda hilarious.

Kalaron, New Estaris

New Estaris wrote:WAAAAY ahead of you.

Good man.

The bro code rewards thise who follow it...

Or it doesn't, such is life in our little village of Anatevka.

In the meanwhile, you feeling any better?

Tserra wrote:I think its kinda hilarious.

Really now?

Thought pastors were supposed to help :P

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Good man.

The bro code rewards thise who follow it...

Or it doesn't, such is life in our little village of Anatevka.

In the meanwhile, you feeling any better?Really now?

Thought pastors were supposed to help :P

No. The communists took my land. Yeah, but I don't feel so good, emotionally.

It is time. I have a secret. Not because of this, but for other reasons, I attempted to drown myself a few months ago. It made me realize things. One, I need to fix myself and two that drowning is a scary thing.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

New Estaris wrote:It is time. I have a secret. Not because of this, but for other reasons, I attempted to drown myself a few months ago. It made me realize things. One, I need to fix myself and two that drowning is a scary thing.

Sh!t, mate, I'm sorry to hear that, and I'll help however I can.

I do have to sleep now (Nearly one here) but I swear, join the discord tommorow, and I'll help with whatever advice I can.

I went through some real rough patches too, so I might be able to help.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Sh!t, mate, I'm sorry to hear that, and I'll help however I can.

I do have to sleep now (Nearly one here) but I swear, join the discord tommorow, and I'll help with whatever advice I can.

I went through some real rough patches too, so I might be able to help.

Discord fu*cks up my laptop

Penguania And Antarctica

New Estaris wrote:Discord fu*cks up my laptop

I could make a kik

Turina wrote:How would we know whether they would have used their arms to harm people? The protestors in North Dakota are trying to stop a disastrous pipeline from being built. Not only would it contribute to climate change, but it runs right through Indigenous lands which said Indigenous people have said they don't want the pipeline. In addition, the pipeline runs right along the Missouri River which is the source of water for hundreds of cities and Indigenous tribes. The environmental concerns have already been outlined and are clear and legitimate, yet Dakota Access has been given eminent domain rights to construct this monstrosity.

You do know the new pipeline is to be run next to an already existing pipeline right? Also, the climate is destined to change anyway as it has done every few thousand years. The human impact on it is not as serious as the media would have you believe. The Indigenous lands argument is a thing except for the part where this is the least invasive of 90+ plus possible routes they have discussed and, let's not forget, there's already a pipeline there. And as far as the group in Oregon group, they openly said they weren't there to harm anyone, but would react if acted upon. On that subject, I've already said I do not back them, however the reason that situation was handled differently is because it was different. Situation dictates all police action.

Also, sorry for the late reply. I was in school because they decided this particular week of class needs to be taught at night.

[nation=short]Kalaron[/nation] thanks for answering my question. /s

I really appreciate this./s

I tighten campaign finance laws and corruption increases.....fvck this game.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:I tighten campaign finance laws and corruption increases.....fvck this game.

You made the politicians sneakier?

Aldaur

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:[nation=short]Kalaron[/nation] thanks for answering my question. /s

I really appreciate this./s

It seems I missed it?

Kalaron wrote:It seems I missed it?

What does 'SK' mean ?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:What does 'SK' mean ?

Ah, I see.

SK is the initals of South Korea.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Ah, I see.

SK is the initals of South Korea.

Thank you.

New Estaris wrote:It is time. I have a secret. Not because of this, but for other reasons, I attempted to drown myself a few months ago. It made me realize things. One, I need to fix myself and two that drowning is a scary thing.

Oh. I'm sorry to hear that, Est. I hope you're feeling better now! If you need anything, feel free to let me know.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

So! On something COMPLETELY off topic, what are Y'all's view on subjects such as Transhumanism, CRSPR tech and-or SAI, AI OR HAI?

Aldaur

Chatawa wrote:The human impact on it is not as serious as the media would have you believe.

I don't take my facts on science from the media, I take it from scientists. The human impact is beyond what we can handle, and we've already exceeded 400 ppm of carbon in the atmosphere. Building more pipelines lock us into more decades of carbon intensive infrastructure, and doesn't give us the chance to seriously lower the effects that will come from climate change. 350 ppm is the safe level we should be at, and it's now technically impossible to reverse us exceeding 400ppm. Now, we just need to seriously mitigate the effects of what we done will have. So if you seriously believe that the human impact o climate change is not a threat to our very existence, I suggest you turn of Fox news and listen to the consensus of the scientific community.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Turina wrote:I don't take my facts on science from the media, I take it from scientists. The human impact is beyond what we can handle, and we've already exceeded 400 ppm of carbon in the atmosphere. Building more pipelines lock us into more decades of carbon intensive infrastructure, and doesn't give us the chance to seriously lower the effects that will come from climate change. 350 ppm is the safe level we should be at, and it's now technically impossible to reverse us exceeding 400ppm. Now, we just need to seriously mitigate the effects of what we done will have. So if you seriously believe that the human impact o climate change is not a threat to our very existence, I suggest you turn of Fox news and listen to the consensus of the scientific community.

Out of everything we were discussing, this is the only part you choose to get fired up about? Ok, then. Talk to me about the difference between the carbon emissions for a pipeline v.s. the carbon emissions for your other option which is 750 railcars per day going from point A to point B. Which is the preferable option to you? I hate to break it to you bud, but we are "locked into decades of carbon intensive infrastructure" as it is. I wish you all the luck in the world with telling the companies behind it they are wrong because as long as they are profiting, they won't care.

As far as your whole "the end is nye" attitude, has science never been wrong before? Have innovative minds not found a way to do the improbable before? I'm not saying that you are wrong to be concerned, I'm saying that there is always the chance, based on human nature, that things have gotten blown out of proportion or that someone is turning a profit based on fear mongering, and that some beautiful mind out there is already 3/4 of the way to a solution. Yes there is a problem, but no I don't believe it is nearly what it has been made out to be.

Lastly, your existence was threatened from the day you were born. It's called mortality and every living thing on earth is infected with it.

Andromitus wrote:So! On something COMPLETELY off topic, what are Y'all's view on subjects such as Transhumanism, CRSPR tech and-or SAI, AI OR HAI?

CRSPR is cool if dangerous and useful.

SAI is probably the best short term thing (Assuming that means Semi-Autonomous Intelligence.

This keeps those who shriek that it's just super dangerous from freaking out, while also giving us a chance to get some real benefits.

Eh, sooner we get to the point where we can't get diseases the better, in my view.

Chatawa wrote:Out of everything we were discussing, this is the only part you choose to get fired up about? Ok, then. Talk to me about the difference between the carbon emissions for a pipeline v.s. the carbon emissions for your other option which is 750 railcars per day going from point A to point B. Which is the preferable option to you? I hate to break it to you bud, but we are "locked into decades of carbon intensive infrastructure" as it is. I wish you all the luck in the world with telling the companies behind it they are wrong because as long as they are profiting, they won't care.

As far as your whole "the end is nye" attitude, has science never been wrong before? Have innovative minds not found a way to do the improbable before? I'm not saying that you are wrong to be concerned, I'm saying that there is always the chance, based on human nature, that things have gotten blown out of proportion or that someone is turning a profit based on fear mongering, and that some beautiful mind out there is already 3/4 of the way to a solution. Yes there is a problem, but no I don't believe it is nearly what it has been made out to be.

Lastly, your existence was threatened from the day you were born. It's called mortality and every living thing on earth is infected with it.

Blown out of proportion? Sorry to break it two you, but take a picture of the north pole in 2016. Wait, here it is! the yellow line depicts what is was like app. 20 years ago:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/seaicemin_2016_withaveext.1360.jpg

Yes I believe with perciverence it can get better, yes I believe that science will give us the answers and tech we need to survive, but arguing that its not as bad as it seems is the opposite of what we need. People aren't making money Off climate change, they make money out of denying it.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Hello friends and foes.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Blue Beanie Day

- Bonifacio Day (Philippines)

- Cities for Life Day

- Commemoration Day (United Arab Emirates)

- Computer Security Day

- Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran (Israel)

- Independence Day (Barbados)

- Independence Day (South Yemen)

- National Day (Benin)

- National Meth Awareness Day (United States)

- National Mousse Day (United States)

- National Package Protection Day (United States)

- Regina Mundi Day (South Africa)

- Rockefeller Center Tree Lighting

- St Andrew's Day (Romania, United Kingdom)

- Stay Home Because You’re Well Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1707 - The second Siege of Pensacola comes to end with the failure of the British to capture Pensacola, Florida.

- 1782 - American Revolutionary War: Treaty of Paris: In Paris, representatives from the United States and the Kingdom of Great Britain sign preliminary peace articles (later formalized as the 1783 Treaty of Paris).

- 1786 - The Grand Duchy of Tuscany, under Pietro Leopoldo I, becomes the first modern state to abolish the death penalty (later commemorated as Cities for Life Day).

- 1803 - In New Orleans, Spanish representatives officially transfer the Louisiana Territory to a French representative. Just 20 days later, France transfers the same land to the United States as the Louisiana Purchase.

- 1804 - The Democratic-Republican-controlled United States Senate begins an impeachment trial of Federalist Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase.

- 1853 - Crimean War: Battle of Sinop: The Imperial Russian Navy under Pavel Nakhimov destroys the Ottoman fleet under Osman Pasha at Sinop, a sea port in northern Turkey.

- 1868 - A statue of King Charles XII of Sweden is inaugurated in Stockholm's Kungsträdgården.

- 1872 - The first-ever "international" football match takes place at Hamilton Crescent, Glasgow, between Scotland and England.

- 1916 - Costa Rica signs the Buenos Aires Convention, a copyright treaty.

- 1934 - The LNER Class A3 4472 Flying Scotsman becomes the first steam locomotive to be authenticated as reaching 100 mph.

- 1936 - In London, the Crystal Palace is destroyed by fire.

- 1947 - Civil War in Mandatory Palestine begins, leading up to the creation of the state of Israel.

- 1953 - Edward Mutesa II, the kabaka (king) of Buganda is deposed and exiled to London by Sir Andrew Cohen, Governor of Uganda.

- 1954 - In Sylacauga, Alabama, United States, the Hodges meteorite crashes through a roof and hits a woman taking an afternoon nap; this is the only documented case in the Western Hemisphere of a human being hit by a rock from space.

- 1966 - Barbados becomes independent from the United Kingdom

- 1967 - The People's Democratic Republic of Yemen becomes independent from the United Kingdom.

- 1971 - Iran seizes the Greater and Lesser Tunbs from the United Arab Emirates.

- 1972 - Vietnam War: White House Press Secretary Ron Ziegler tells the press that there will be no more public announcements concerning American troop withdrawals from Vietnam because troop levels are now down to 27,000.

- 1981 - Cold War: In Geneva, representatives from the United States and the Soviet Union begin to negotiate intermediate-range nuclear weapon reductions in Europe. (The meetings end inconclusively on December 17.)

- 1982 - Michael Jackson's second solo album, Thriller is released worldwide. It will become the best-selling record album in history.

- 1989 - Deutsche Bank board member Alfred Herrhausen is killed by a Red Army Faction terrorist bomb.

- 1995 - Official end of Operation Desert Storm.

- 1995 - U.S. President Bill Clinton visits Northern Ireland and speaks in favour of the "Northern Ireland peace process" to a huge rally at Belfast City Hall; he calls terrorists "yesterday's men".

- 1998 - Exxon and Mobil sign a US$73.7 billion agreement to merge, thus creating ExxonMobil, the world's largest company.

- 1999 - In Seattle, United States, demonstrations against a World Trade Organization meeting by anti-globalization protesters catch police unprepared and force the cancellation of opening ceremonies.

- 1999 - British Aerospace and Marconi Electronic Systems merge to form BAE Systems, Europe's largest defense contractor and the fourth largest aerospace firm in the world.

- 2005 - John Sentamu becomes the first black archbishop in the Church of England with his enthronement as the 97th Archbishop of York.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1508 - Andrea Palladio, Italian architect and theoretician, designed the Church of San Giorgio Maggiore and Teatro Olimpico

- 1667 - Jonathan Swift, Irish satirist and essayist

- 1813 - Charles-Valentin Alkan, French pianist and composer

- 1817 - Theodor Mommsen, German jurist, historian, and scholar, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1835 - Mark Twain, American novelist, humorist, and critic

- 1863 - Andrés Bonifacio, Filipino activist and politician, co-founded Katipunan

- 1869 - Gustaf Dalén, Swedish physicist and engineer, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1874 - Winston Churchill, English colonel, journalist, and politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1874 - Lucy Maud Montgomery, English-Canadian author and poet

- 1889 - Edgar Adrian, 1st Baron Adrian, English physiologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1937 - Ridley Scott, English director, producer, and production designer

- 1939 - Chandra Bahadur Dangi, Nepalese dwarf

- 1955 - Billy Idol, English singer-songwriter

- 1956 - Heinz Rudolf Kunze, German writer and rock singer

- 1960 - Gary Lineker, English footballer and sportscaster

- 1965 - Ben Stiller, American actor, director, producer and screenwriter

- 1978 - Clay Aiken, American singer

- 1985 - Kaley Cuoco, American actress

- 1990 - Magnus Carlsen, Norwegian chess player

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Quote of the day

The good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge.

- Bertrand Russell -

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Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Andromitus wrote:Blown out of proportion? Sorry to break it two you, but take a picture of the north pole in 2016. Wait, here it is! the yellow line depicts what is was like app. 20 years ago:

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/seaicemin_2016_withaveext.1360.jpg

Yes I believe with perciverence it can get better, yes I believe that science will give us the answers and tech we need to survive, but arguing that its not as bad as it seems is the opposite of what we need. People aren't making money Off climate change, they make money out of denying it.

The north pole is shrinking, but the south pole is growing. Just like that, we are back to the earth does this and has done it several times throughout it's life span. In fact we are over due for a climate shift. Care to explain? And how are they not making money? Aren't people getting paid to conduct studies, write books, make films, etc? People are greedy and will shift the truth however it suits them if they can make a buck.

But I am noticing a trend. Anytime I bring up things that you don't seem to care for, you ignore whatever points I've made and redirect the narrative. I'm not surprised because it is a very common left wing tactic. I just like to point it out because it makes it a lot clearer as to how we went from comparing standing rock with the Oregon stand off, to climate change.

Chatawa wrote:The north pole is shrinking, but the south pole is growing. Just like that, we are back to the earth does this and has done it several times throughout it's life span. In fact we are over due for a climate shift. Care to explain? And how are they not making money? Aren't people getting paid to conduct studies, write books, make films, etc? People are greedy and will shift the truth however it suits them if they can make a buck.

But I am noticing a trend. Anytime I bring up things that you don't seem to care for, you ignore whatever points I've made and redirect the narrative. I'm not surprised because it is a very common left wing tactic. I just like to point it out because it makes it a lot clearer as to how we went from comparing standing rock with the Oregon stand off, to climate change.

*Stretches arms* AlllllllllrIGHTY then! [Please note, I am gaining these scources from NASA or indirectly from NASA-Climatologist based sources]

1. Yes the north pole is shrinking, but because of stronger polar winds and immense currents, the Antarctic is isolated, alowing it too grow and shrink independently from the Arctic, and the rest of the world.

2. Climatologist are strapped for cash bud. NASA is threatened to being stripped of all funding, they run on donations, they have been occupying lawsuits and inquires for the past decade. And to top it off NASA is the highest funded research center for climatology in world (or at least the western hemisphere, data on this subject is light, but you get my point) And on that note, which do you think is more plausible, strapped environmentalists getting rich but still being dirt poor? or multi-billion dollar oil companies controlling politicians and the media through "public donations"?

3. Thats not me dingus, I just joined when I realized that you don't understand how NASA and Scientifically funded climate studies actually work in the field. And don't lecture me about "Corrupt" left wing tactics! it was the Right that counts big business as people, giving them power in the government, it was the Right that only listens to 3% of scientists and it is still Right-Wing media that ignores basic scientific facts [cough cough fox news] in order to form their own agenda. Dont tell me about what I can or can't say, I just joined in bud, But I Got science on my side.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31052016/why-antarctica-sea-ice-level-growing-while-arctic-glaciers-melts-climate-change-global-warming

Jaslandia

Andromitus wrote:*Stretches arms* AlllllllllrIGHTY then! [Please note, I am gaining these scources from NASA or indirectly from NASA-Climatologist based sources]

3. Thats not me dingus, I just joined when I realized that you don't understand how NASA and Scientifically funded climate studies actually work in the field. And don't lecture me about "Corrupt" left wing tactics! it was the Right that counts big business as people, giving them power in the government, it was the Right that only listens to 3% of scientists and it is still Right-Wing media that ignores basic scientific facts [cough cough fox news] in order to form their own agenda. Don't tell me about what I can or can't say, I just joined in bud, But I Got science on my side.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31052016/why-antarctica-sea-ice-level-growing-while-arctic-glaciers-melts-climate-change-global-warming

Oh and another thing, what do you mean redirect narrative and ignoring what you say? I've just listed everything wrong with what you said with Peer-reviewed sources from one of the most critically acclaimed members of the scientific community, what do you have to say about that :D

Andromitus wrote:*Stretches arms* AlllllllllrIGHTY then! [Please note, I am gaining these scources from NASA or indirectly from NASA-Climatologist based sources]

1. Yes the north pole is shrinking, but because of stronger polar winds and immense currents, the Antarctic is isolated, alowing it too grow and shrink independently from the Arctic, and the rest of the world.

2. Climatologist are strapped for cash bud. NASA is threatened to being stripped of all funding, they run on donations, they have been occupying lawsuits and inquires for the past decade. And to top it off NASA is the highest funded research center for climatology in world (or at least the western hemisphere, data on this subject is light, but you get my point) And on that note, which do you think is more plausible, strapped environmentalists getting rich but still being dirt poor? or multi-billion dollar oil companies controlling politicians and the media through "public donations"?

3. Thats not me dingus, I just joined when I realized that you don't understand how NASA and Scientifically funded climate studies actually work in the field. And don't lecture me about "Corrupt" left wing tactics! it was the Right that counts big business as people, giving them power in the government, it was the Right that only listens to 3% of scientists and it is still Right-Wing media that ignores basic scientific facts [cough cough fox news] in order to form their own agenda. Dont tell me about what I can or can't say, I just joined in bud, But I Got science on my side.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31052016/why-antarctica-sea-ice-level-growing-while-arctic-glaciers-melts-climate-change-global-warming

I do apologize for not realizing you had just joined the conversation. Sleep deprivation is not all that great for cognitive function. However, I didn't say the tactic was corrupt, I just said it was common. All tactics are fairplay if they work. The debate about right and left tactics is a monkey in a completely different circus (for the record, I'm not actually hardcore right wing. I'm closer to a right leaning libertarian. Just wanted to get that out there) and I tend to not trust any of the major news stations because they are all bought and paid for. The right is corrupt by big business and the left uses race baiting to garner numbers. Tell me something I don't know. But again, that's a completely different debate.

On the climate change thing, I have repeatedly said that I'm not saying its not real. It is and I acknowledge that. However, my skepticism will not allow me to believe we are being told the whole truth and someone is on the take. You can throw all the fancy numbers and graphs you want out there, but ultimately it is preaching to the choir and a lost cause all rolled in to one.

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Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Oh and another thing, what do you mean redirect narrative and ignoring what you say? I've just listed everything wrong with what you said with Peer-reviewed sources from one of the most critically acclaimed members of the scientific community, what do you have to say about that :D

That you did haha. That comment wasn't directed at you however. It was directed back to Turina being as this originally started with us talking about social disorder and somehow wound up on climate change while making no progress in the original direction. Again, my bad with getting ya'll confused.

Andromitus

Chatawa wrote:That you did haha. That comment wasn't directed at you however. It was directed back to Turina being as this originally started with us talking about social disorder and somehow wound up on climate change while making no progress in the original direction. Again, my bad with getting ya'll confused.

YAY basic literacy skills, your better than most PhD wielding adults!

Andromitus wrote:YAY basic literacy skills, your better than most PhD wielding adults!

Lol I'm not sure if sarcasm was meant there or not, but I'm going to take that as a compliment because I'm too tired to process much of anything at the moment. It's been a good time and I appreciate ya'll indulging my need to pick petty arguments from time to time, but now its bed time.

Chatawa wrote:Lol I'm not sure if sarcasm was meant there or not, but I'm going to take that as a compliment because I'm too tired to process much of anything at the moment. It's been a good time and I appreciate ya'll indulging my need to pick petty arguments from time to time, but now its bed time.

No sarcasm

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