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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Prime Minister: It is clear that taxes can not pay all services, but there is a rotating system that allows individuals to benefit from tax benefits.
Right Hand of the Glorious Leader: he's having troubles with her wife. He's a human too and he has feelings too Prime Minister, please, be considerate.
That's the thing. Conservatives never want to cut politicians' salaries or expenses. They are usually the biggest troughers. They want to cut taxes to public services but keep all their perks, and give tax cuts to their rich buddies and corporations.
I'd be fine with Cons if they wanted to cut things like politicians' wages etc. But no. They always go after essential services.
Politicians with high wages are more corrupt. Why do you think they want to join politics? Public service? Give over. They want a fat paycheque and expenses.
Both are wrong, both rich conservatives and poor liberals, to have some way of doing policy functions, there is a need to do concrete actions for everyone, and can only be done if all are involved.
Glorious Leader: US and URSS were allies once.Germany and Italy too. Maybe, with time, instead of fighting, our nations will be hugging. Consider that.
Penisola_Italica and Nueva_Castilla_Real.
I am Premier Aleksander Dimitri Coltsov, Glorious Leader of Russkov_Soviet. On behalf of my Equestrian Empire, I welcome you both to the CoFN!
Penisola Italica
Difficult to do that when politicians are beholden to vested interests.
Glorious Leader: Nice to meet you Aleksander, I hope our nations grow faster with each other support.
Russkov Soviet
Prime Minister: Let's put it this way, an unpaid politician is very corrupt, a very paid politician is very corrupt, a politician with an average salary is not corrupt. A paid little politician will be influenced by lobby and people who will give him some money to meet his / her needs. A very paid politician will be very corrupt because he wants to be in politics only for the salary and not for the ethical motivation that drives him into politics. So a fair wage would partially eliminate the problem of corruption.
And I've heard that the US tax code is more that 10,000 words....
Nuremgard
One set by the public or an independent body, not the politicians themselves.
That's how the rich exploit it.
Prime Minister: I do not understand what you mean.
I guess it depends on what you have to offer.
Nueva Castilla Real
Politicians vote for payrises for themselves, ergo they effectively set their own wages. That has to stop.
But I think you base these wide sweeping generalizations on a singular experience. The Conservatives in Canada froze annual wage increases for themselves most of years when they were in office and issued a memorandum that politicians and staffers are not to use limosine services (which I can't believe had to actually be stated). This is why I was okay supporting them when they also agreed to correspondingly collect less tax from individuals.
When the Liberals took office, they reinstituted annual wage increases despite us going through a national recession and them running a deficit 3x larger than they campaigned on, and reinstated limosine services for their MPs.
I'm not sure what the circumstances are like in the UK, but in Canada the Liberals are most often associated with entitlement and perks at the taxpayers' expense. I imagine this isn't necessarily the same as the Labour Party in Australia or the UK (which is their essential equivalent in these countries), so I would never say "Liberals/Labour are x" and immediately oppose their domestic policies based on which ideology their party name seems to reflect.
Yukona
According to the same source, a magazine gave the earnings and expenses of a fantastic family to 46 tax prepairers. They respnses varied. From 24,000$ to 128,000$. Imagine
Well trust me on this, the Cons in the UK are the entitled ones.
Prime Minister: Politicians are legislators, what do we want to do? To take away the right to vote for their wages? And who would order the right wage for politicians?
The tax code needs to be simplified and tax evasion needs to be clamped down on.
Nya!
Penguania And Antarctica, Nueva Castilla Real
I don't know. Not the bloody politicians. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all vote for our own wages eh?
I'm not qualified to argue or agree with that. What I was challenging was the mentality that one is being narrowminded if they are unhappy with the many means by which their same dollar is taxed depsite if they decide to use it, save it, or invest it because *all* that tax revenue goes towards the less fortunate.
Now now Imperialist, don't start expanding or Papa Andy'll have to come down there and give you a time out!
Wa..wait..bwa...*flusters* I'mSyndicalistYouDingusWhatIsThisDoubleStandard!
Oh hell yes, Second Wave Socialists are all about slow and steady Evolution while First Wave thinks that it should be a fast Revolution
Stark. Contrast.
Good good, grow, trade, expand your sphere of influence and list of friends young padawan
*Starts screaming* What ever happened to Freedom of Speech you Fascisgurglgurgll
Jaslandia, Nueva Castilla Real
Prime Minister: is a utopian idea of life, how can you think to cast our wages on ourselves? Do not you think everyone who would vote for a high salary? And therefore there would not be the rich and the poor, but only the people who will fight each other for wealth. Civil war and the implosion of the state as we know it would be the future.
People of course have the right to criticise how their tax money is spent. I just personally get pissed off when, say, a middle class person votes for tax cuts to welfare which means my mum gets her sickness benefit reduced or removed just so said middle class person can have a few extra quid.
But I as a middle class person didn't vote for a party that promised to collect less taxes while wringing my hands gleefully thinking of those who will receive less in welfare and disability payments.
I voted for it so that I could put more money away each year in my tax free savings account while working two jobs and similtanously going to post secondary full-time so that I could afford to live when I graduated in the face of overwhelming student loans. I voted for the candidate that would lower property tax so that my parent's ranch, which functions as their sole residence given they're retired, could continue being their property and not literally be taxed out from under. I voted for the leadership candidate who promised to allow high wage earners to access private health amenities (while still paying into Canada's socialized healthcare) so as to lower the demand and wait times at public facilities.
I think there are plenty of individual circumstances that influence right-of-centre voter choice, and I think it is rarely if ever because they want to see the less fortunate be harmed.
Cesorion
Basically everyone votes for self-interest. I'm not saying all Cons vote to punish the poor. Most Cons vote the way they do to look after themselves and their own. The rest are inconsequential.
Welcome to the CFN to both of you! My name's Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Penisola Italica, Nueva Castilla Real
Hello everyone! How are you?
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Nueva Castilla Real
Thereby making it no less self interested for someone to vote in such a way that their retired parents don't lose their house due to a tax increase than it is for someone to vote for tax increases so that they continue receiving the same amount in welfare payments.
They're both looking out for themselves, and if the low-income voter on welfare is said to be voting on behalf of all welfare recipients than the retired homeowner barely being able to meet their property tax payments are voting on behalf of all property owners also living on the cusp.
The difference being that I don't label or insinuate that liberals/social democrats/democratic socialists are selfish or closed-minded based on their voting pattern.
Cesorion
Very fine. How are you??
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Bikini Bottom And Jellyfish Fields
Guess that makes you a better person than I. But I never claimed to be a nice person. I'm bitter. One of my many flaws.
Nuremgard Prime Minister: Why did not you answer what I told you?
Great!
Penguania And Antarctica
About politicians wages? They need to be average. Not too little and not too much.
Prime Minister: I find the evasive and swift response ...
I'm not being evasive but I am being swift.
Could a member of government with Appearance authority please bring the Citizenship Application higher on the featured dossiers' list, please? I want candidates to know they need to be citizens to run for office, and making the application prominently displayed may make that more apparent.
Penguania And Antarctica, Cesorion
Prime Minister: All right.
Got my ticket for King Krule gig in November boooooooooooooooooooooooy
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
Dunno who that is but yay!
Penguania And Antarctica
Andy, I'll wipe you out and burn your hut to the ground. Also, I'm national syndicalist. While founded on the same general principals, there are many differences. Also, it should be interesting to see then where you're taking all of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvZJI8rerWA
Not my thing but fair enough.
Penguania And Antarctica
Come with me I'll show you London
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
Only if you're paying. The prices would choke me.
Penguania And Antarctica
Get coach easy money easy life
Penguania And Antarctica
It's Andu tho, why you gotta try to burn Andu?
It will encourage him to buy my helicopter tho.
Jaslandia
I will nuke Andy
The Empire Of Handland
Show me London and I'll show you Glasgow.
But you see, herr handerr, I've spent the last year transforming my international theatre into a veritable fortress >:D
> See's friend being threatened with invasion
> Peddles wares
Jaslandia, Kalaron, Tserra, Yukona
:>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dirty Librul, I condemn thee to a Re-Education Camp effective immediately.
Nuremgard
I'd rather my skull remain intact
Such a delicate, dramatic English rose. :P
Well I'd rather not get shot in the capital.
The difference is you won't get shot cus you're Scottish you'll get shot cus you're British so really it'll be quite the harmonious experience for you
Where... would you prefer to be shot?!
hi I'm running for Chancellor vote unf pls
Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Yukona
Och, surely they will love me. According to unionists, the English love us and that's why they want to us to stay in the UK so they can keep funding us.
Shot in the heart with an arrow of Cupid would be the preference.
I've always maintained when I go, I want to be pushed out to sea and shot with a fire arrow.
And then Game of Thrones came our and everyone is like, "oh yeah, like Hoster Tully."
Way to cheapen my creative funeral plans, GoT.
Aaaanyways, your plan is better :P
EVERYONE
I'm the [nation=short]United Continental States[/nation]. This will be my new main nation. The only thing changing will be my name and my government. My spot on the map and everything else shall stay the same.
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
I'll be getting cremated like a Targaryen. I'm not having beasties eat my body, thank you very much.
Also, has anyone been having issues with your posts getting flagged for security concerns and not being posted? I remember this happening a lot when I first joined NS, and then I didn't see that warning for ages. And now, it's suddenly resurfaced.
*Update* THIS message got flagged!
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
What is your platform. What are your Policies
Percyton
This.
https://youtu.be/rSFZktZNySg?t=6
I've gotten that issue once in a while, but I haven't gotten it recently. It seems like just a random(ish) system or coding error.
Percyton
whats his real policies?
I don't know.
Glorious Leader: Gu-Guys... what's that about the N-Day? I'm very confused con someone explain me what's going on?
Everyone nukes the opposite side and eats catnip once it finishes
I'm pretty ignorant on the coding of the site, but as far as I can garner from having my phone give me such a message pretty drastically often, I think it's probably something in the site not wanting to keep your "session" open for an extended period of time.
Like, imagine that when you open NS you get a security key that allows you to choose what you want to do. After a time this key becomes invalid and it checks if you're still logged in, but this glitch would seem to be based in some error that fails to give you a proper key after the first one becomes invalid.
A similar issue I get is that the forums signs me out after ai read a few pages of content.
Jaslandia, Percyton
i bleached my hair:)
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Confederacy of Free Nations,
Due to personal reasons, I will not seek a second term. As well, I will be taking a leave of absence from all political activities in the region.
I trust that a new Minister of Internal Affairs will rise to the challenge where I have failed, and maybe can lead you all in a better than I could.
Sincerely,
Sulania, Minister of Internal Affairs
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
To all member of Cabinet, ministerial Roles and to the Chancellor himself.
You have not failed this region. We may face setbacks but we can rise above them anew!
Viva La Liberte
Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=1Pgiq-TlmSo
Get
fvcking
wreaked
you
damn
turkey
Vista Major
Gorgeous Leader: I legalized euthanasia, so if someone has edgy teenagers that always say "I want to die because I'm an angel with broken wings and this is not my place" send them to me. Thank you and long live to NCR!
Peoples Liberation Republic
I declare myself eternal god-king of NationStates.
Jaslandia, The Empire Of Handland, The Vidnoye, Axeldonia, The Cross And Davids Star, Percyton
Another N-Day? Considering the last time NS had an N-Day Diesel 10 staged a coup and took control over the government for nearly two days, I'm a little bit worried. So, on the advice of my ministers and Chief Adviser Gordon, I will be increasing surveillance of Diesel and Diesel 10, since they were the coup leaders last time. As before, me and most of my government will evacuate to a bunker underneath Tidmouth Sheds, while the rest of the government will be evacuated to the Mainland. So stay safe everyone, and don't forget to protect yourself from coups!
Thank you for your service, Sul.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica
Soo....You just went to the other side of the Mason-Dixon Line? xP
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Confederal States
Juggling whether to run for Minister of Internal Affairs, Chancellor, or Speaker. Would greatly appreciate some public insight <3
Penguania And Antarctica
Vista best MOIA I ever done did saw.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, South Hyder
*private part of Sully summons Mike Tyson to ghost Tse :p*
The Implementation of the Kongolese Stratocracy and Continual Arrests of NAU Opposition: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=421225&p=32395033#p32395033
Vista Major
boy oh boy...
Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Andromitus
This is cause for war
Well, thank you
Confederal States, South Hyder
Me implementing a Stratocracy is a cause for war? Why?
Vista Major, Confederal States
Antidemocracy leads to abuse of civil rights on all ends
I had to Google stratocracy.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Confederal States, Nueva Castilla Real
So...You're wanting to go to war with me because of my Stratocracy. Well I'm not stopping the Stratocracy. It is a shame you don't like it but the Kongo needs it. Civil rights abuse...eh but oh well. If you're going to declare war because of that, then that is on you
The Vidnoye
Glorious Leader: The best part of being a open door country is that I can speak with other leaders in other lenguajes, but oh boy, stratocracy? I've never heard of that word. In Spain the things are easier, and in NCR, even more. ComeToNCR-ComeToNCR-ComeToNCR.
Jaslandia
Being a dictatorship, you two should get along just fine -_-
Down with Tyranny, Æden Prevails!
Jaslandia, Nueva Castilla Real
Fellow Leaders
Could we not join together in an economic Union with in our Region
This would mean
1. Using the same Currency
2. Convening together to discuss economically matters
3. Talking about issues relating to other aspects of our Nation building.
Some tyrannies are good. I have a couple of good dictatorships myself. :P
Could we not join together in an economic Union with in our Region[/quote]
OOC - I think a good place to take this would be the Regional Roleplay RMB ( https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general ) but I like where this is going, our Region needs a good U.N. or W.A. to keep everyone from trying to kill each other ┻━┻ ミヽ(ಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
(Although I do believe you might get some stark opposition from a few notable parties)
Yea well, I can't get through a day without crushing the dreams of one or two Dictators :3
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
OOC - I think a good place to take this would be the Regional Roleplay RMB ( https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general ) but I like where this is going, our Region needs a good U.N. or W.A. to keep everyone from trying to kill each other ┻━┻ ミヽ(ಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
(Although I do believe you might get some stark opposition from a few notable parties)
Yea well, I can't get through a day without crushing the dreams of one or two Dictators :3[/quote]
You will not crush the dreams of my dictators!
Jaslandia, Confederal States
OOC - I think a good place to take this would be the Regional Roleplay RMB ( https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_confederacy_general ) but I like where this is going, our Region needs a good U.N. or W.A. to keep everyone from trying to kill each other ┻━┻ ミヽ(ಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻[/quote]
Meant to Quote You Sil, sorry :P
Jaslandia
How has it been two years since we joined that we've not figured out how to correct for accidental end quotes :P
Last time we tried something like that, there were threats of jihad from Fried and RF :P
Well if Sil wants to do try something like that IC he's more than welcome too
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