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Sulania wrote:He literally just said he didn't like Al Jazeera because they're near Wahhabi with some left-wing politics sprinkled in. No, he's not Wahhabist

Ohhhh ok thats making sence

The Empire Of Handland wrote:I love that forumIt all depends on what you perceive as evil

I spent a long time in my last region playing the morally ambiguous good guy with an agenda, I think this time around I'll play the jaded borderline evil character with ambitions and a checkered moral compass.

Belmora

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:You know you want out. What benefit do you have in being in the same organization that containsMagnatronia, the greatest threat to humanity!?

Aww, baby maggy? Well, of all the Heartlands children, I do agree that the Magnatronians are the most...unpredictable

Also, Kum, is it reasonable to assume that the Kumanians speak some degree of Andreallic? Or at least Queen Emily?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Thank God. I didn't really have the manpower yet to truly defend myself in the Pacific. I was mostly bluffing lmao.

Yea, and I was going to have to respond, we may have strained ties, but we wont have you positioning warships through the canal against another alliance member :-/ Plus I think Australia is going to be Lat's now? [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]?

Magnatronia wrote:*invaded one colony* "Greatest threat to humanity"

*Alduar threatens to blow up tax-evading ships* "Guess we'll have to pay the tax"

No hate Ald, I love ya

*Enslaves citizens* *Lobotomizes then enslaves prisoners* *Doesn't clean up 50 year old war remnants* *Greatest Threat to Humanity*

Merlinton, Belmora

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:niño cogida :p

I wasn't looking at who is on those lands, just that they are strategic locations :p

Pirate Kingdoms

Yukona wrote:Friedensreich do you not agree?

Was eating dinner.

I do agree that it is biased, but every news outlet has some sort of bias. For example, CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC, and the like are progressively biased, and IBT, Townhall, and Breitbart are conservatively biased.

Yukona

Belmora wrote:I am just going to be rping as a conservative monarchy. I sort of screwed up the stats on my nation, so I will be fixing that for awhile lol

That is yucky! Keep your monarchy away from me!

Belmora

Andromitus wrote:This might start straining my membership lol

*whispers* Leave the ITF!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I'll have ye know I have warships mobilizing to confront any threat by Aldaur to future Pacific trade routes used not only by Kumanians but other nations on the East Coast and also Europe including maybe even Magnatronia. I ain't paying no bloody tax to sail through international waters!

+1

Re-fûcking-tweet!

Posted boyo's

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10187218/2/?x=0#post10014056

Fantrum wrote:I spent a long time in my last region playing the morally ambiguous good guy with an agenda, I think this time around I'll play the jaded borderline evil character with ambitions and a checkered moral compass.

I play my nation as how I'd run a nation. It's what I believe that governs Handland.

Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:That is yucky! Keep your monarchy away from me!

*Sits closer with creeper face*

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

So do i still have the Clearance or what not to RP with my Puppet Yuktobonia,like have them take my spot ?

Friedensreich wrote:That is yucky! Keep your monarchy away from me!

How about a liberal Scottish monarchy? That's what I have. :P

Belmora

Nuremgard wrote:How about a liberal Scottish monarchy? That's what I have. :P

You mean Norsk :p

Post self-deleted by Baxten.

Fantrum wrote:Thank you much, I appreciate it, my first goal is to take most of 104 and then invade the guy living in 69 and take his stuff from him, I need it more than he does, more land for more factories I always say.

You do realize that there have to be people there to invade. And Solla wants to move to Japan.

Russian Fedration wrote:So do i still have the Clearance or what not to RP with my Puppet Yuktobonia,like have them take my spot ?

You'll always have clearence to do so.

Russian Fedration

Andromitus wrote:Aww, baby maggy? Well, of all the Heartlands children, I do agree that the Magnatronians are the most...unpredictable

Also, Kum, is it reasonable to assume that the Kumanians speak some degree of Andreallic? Or at least Queen Emily?

Yea, and I was going to have to respond, we may have strained ties, but we wont have you positioning warships through the canal against another alliance member :-/ Plus I think Australia is going to be Lat's now? [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]?

*Enslaves citizens* *Lobotomizes then enslaves prisoners* *Doesn't clean up 50 year old war remnants* *Greatest Threat to Humanity*

Yes, it's Lat now

Friedensreich wrote:*whispers* Leave the ITF!

Yea fück you mate /s

Andromitus wrote:Posted boyo's

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10187218/2/?x=0#post10014056

Would you mind posting in the CG region. We need to consolidate that all to the region for max efficiency

Belmora

Belmora wrote:You mean Norsk :p

I have 2 monarchies. One in Nuremgard and one in Scotland.

Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica

His Imperial Sovereign Majesty, The Lord's Great Chosen Tsar Henault IV of House Krevaulin has been crowned as the ruler of The Totalitarian Tsardom of [nation=short]Belmora[/nation] within The Iron Kremlin in [nation=short]Belmora[/nation]'s Capitol City of Varmeryn. All Hail The Tsar! Glory To The Tsardom!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:Aww, baby maggy? Well, of all the Heartlands children, I do agree that the Magnatronians are the most...unpredictable

Also, Kum, is it reasonable to assume that the Kumanians speak some degree of Andreallic? Or at least Queen Emily?

Yea, and I was going to have to respond, we may have strained ties, but we wont have you positioning warships through the canal against another alliance member :-/ Plus I think Australia is going to be Lat's now? [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]?

*Enslaves citizens* *Lobotomizes then enslaves prisoners* *Doesn't clean up 50 year old war remnants* *Greatest Threat to Humanity*

Kumanians speak Ludanian and Atlantian (English and French, just like Canada irl). However there's probably Kumanians who speak Andreallic, as they probably learned it in school or came from Andromitus. But the official languages of Kumania are Ludanian and Atlantian. But it is reasonable to suspect that Queen Emily could be a little bit knowledgeable in Andreallic since she is of course a national leader and Andromitus is a friend of Kumania.

But anyways does this mean that I can't have my warships pass through your canal regardless of the situation? Like after a few days of pondering whether or not I was allowed to, I assumed I could. But if I must sail around the tips of South America or Africa, then I will reluctantly do that.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Kumanians speak Ludanian and Atlantian (English and French, just like Canada irl). However there's probably Kumanians who speak Andreallic, as they probably learned it in school or came from Andromitus. But the official languages of Kumania are Ludanian and Atlantian. But it is reasonable to suspect that Queen Emily could be a little bit knowledgeable in Andreallic since she is of course a national leader and Andromitus is a friend of Kumania.

But anyways does this mean that I can't have my warships pass through your canal regardless of the situation? Like after a few days of pondering whether or not I was allowed to, I assumed I could. But if I must sail around the tips of South America or Africa, then I will reluctantly do that.

You can now, because I don't have an ITF ally that you'd be going up against; The only reason I'd bar you from moving warships through the canal is if you were doing so in order to attack an ally of Andromitus, which you aren't doing anymore; so your fine.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Belmora

Belmora wrote:His Imperial Sovereign Majesty, The Lord's Great Chosen Tsar Henault IV of House Krevaulin has been crowned as the ruler of The Totalitarian Tsardom of [nation=short]Belmora[/nation] within The Iron Kremlin in [nation=short]Belmora[/nation]'s Capitol City of Varmeryn. All Hail The Tsar! Glory To The Tsardom!

Long may he reign.

Jaslandia, Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:You can now, because I don't have an ITF ally that you'd be going up against; The only reason I'd bar you from moving warships through the canal is if you were doing so in order to attack an ally of Andromitus, which you aren't doing anymore; so your fine.

I wasn't really gunna attack him per se. Only if I was attacked first would I attack. It was more a move to see if I could get provocation. Like the plan was to see if the Aldauri would defend their claim that the entire Pacific Ocean was their territory instead of international waters. Defending their claim against a foreign trade ship which refused to pay the "tax" to sail through those waters would probably have resulted in the trade ship being destroyed, or at least attacked until one of my warships intervened to defend my merchant ship. It was all a move that would've relied on the decisions by the Aldauri officials. It was a dangerous move which could've brought Kumania and its allies into war with the Aldauri and possibly its allies if the Aldauri had actually moved to "defend" the waters they claimed.

Had Aldaur stayed as Aldaur and not moved to Belmora, my actions would've possibly brought us to the brink of a global war between the USCS and ITF as Kumania is USCS and Aldaur is apparently ITF (y'know I keep losing track on which nations are and aren't ITF) and Kumania of course wouldn't have fired the first shot in the conflict so thus Kumania could call on its fellow USCS nations to help defend itself from attack and then it would all depend on if the ITF either had a similar clause to defend one of its own or if it felt like Aldaur was a member worth defending. But alas Aldaur changed nations so now we don't get the fun experience of seeing what could've been.

Belmora

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:niño cogida :p

I'm not sure if you're actually familiar with Spanish or Latin culture but on the off chance that you are, do you have any idea where cogida is actually used? I'm most familiar with Costa Rican slang and vulgarity from an exchange program and continued conversations, and they never use cogida there - obviously they have other words, but not that.

Belmora

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Like the plan was to see if the Aldauri would defend their claim that the entire Pacific Ocean was their territory instead of international waters.

I would have absolutely defended my claim and because you're the first person to test it, I'd probably go raid your fleet and sink all of your battleships as an example. I would have started a war and absolutely blitzkrieged you to show that Aldauri don't mess around :p It definitely would have sparked a war, although, all the allies wouldn't really fight me because it is logistically difficult to get down there. If they did, they'd be at a significant disadvantage with weary men, being far from supplies and being in the heart of the rabidly militaristic dominion of the Aldauri Empire.

That's all moot though :p I guess getting that TransNational Operation saved the world ;)

#GenderJokes

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Nuremgard wrote:Long may he reign.

Spasibo

Russian Fedration

Merlinton wrote:I'm not sure if you're actually familiar with Spanish or Latin culture but on the off chance that you are, do you have any idea where cogida is actually used? I'm most familiar with Costa Rican slang and vulgarity from an exchange program and continued conversations, and they never use cogida there - obviously they have other words, but not that.

He is Mexican bro.

Merlinton, Belmora, Pirate Kingdoms

Merlinton wrote:I'm not sure if you're actually familiar with Spanish or Latin culture but on the off chance that you are, do you have any idea where cogida is actually used? I'm most familiar with Costa Rican slang and vulgarity from an exchange program and continued conversations, and they never use cogida there - obviously they have other words, but not that.

To mean to catch, like grabbing a bus, yes: Mexican over here, coger means "to fûck" between us. Trust me, Mexicans always have to clarify on that, and Borges (the Chilean poet) is where many learn where coger translates into the first. In the context of Al/Bel, it means fúckboy, to clarify.

Belmora

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:To mean to catch, like grabbing a bus, yes: Mexican over here, coger means "to fûck" between us. Trust me, Mexicans always have to clarify on that, and Borges (the Chilean poet) is where many learn where coger translates into the first. In the context of Al/Bel, it means fúckboy, to clarify.

I've been called that in English before....idk why....

Pirate Kingdoms

Tserra wrote:He is Mexican bro.

Mmkay, I didn't know that! I try not to make any assumptions - my boyfriend is Latino but speaks only a small amount of Spanish and I'm totally Scandinavian white but nearly fluent.

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:To mean to catch, like grabbing a bus, yes: Mexican over here, coger means "to fûck" between us. Trust me, Mexicans always have to clarify on that, and Borges (the Chilean poet) is where many learn where coger translates into the first. In the context of Al/Bel, it means fúckboy, to clarify.

In CR they use mierda to mean a diverse array of sentiments, and it's fairly impressive. And the teenagers actually use the English "fúck" - people my age were using it around their parents and otherwise polite company and I was absolutely shocked by their foul mouths in front of an ignorant audience.

Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms

Belmora wrote:I would have absolutely defended my claim and because you're the first person to test it, I'd probably go raid your fleet and sink all of your battleships as an example. I would have started a war and absolutely blitzkrieged you to show that Aldauri don't mess around :p It definitely would have sparked a war, although, all the allies wouldn't really fight me because it is logistically difficult to get down there. If they did, they'd be at a significant disadvantage with weary men, being far from supplies and being in the heart of the rabidly militaristic dominion of the Aldauri Empire.

That's all moot though :p I guess getting that TransNational Operation saved the world ;)

#GenderJokes

Probably the only battle that would occur between us in such a war would be that confrontation in the probably eastern Pacific since both of our nations are on opposite sides of the globe. As difficult as it would be for me and my allies to get down to Australia, it would've been equally as difficult for you to get up to Canada and Russia. Like probably the only one of my allies you'd realistically be able to face would be Aldwood, but he's still up in Russia.

However it is still possible that the hypothetical global war could've started out as a battle between the Kumanians and Aldauri, but shifted to be more between say the Kumanians and Magnatronians and Germans and Russians. Kinda like how irl WWI began as a conflict between the Serbs and Austrians and eventually became more a war between the Germans and French/British.

Belmora

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Probably the only battle that would occur between us in such a war would be that confrontation in the probably eastern Pacific since both of our nations are on opposite sides of the globe. As difficult as it would be for me and my allies to get down to Australia, it would've been equally as difficult for you to get up to Canada and Russia. Like probably the only one of my allies you'd realistically be able to face would be Aldwood, but he's still up in Russia.

However it is still possible that the hypothetical global war could've started out as a battle between the Kumanians and Aldauri, but shifted to be more between say the Kumanians and Magnatronians and Germans and Russians. Kinda like how irl WWI began as a conflict between the Serbs and Austrians and eventually became more a war between the Germans and French/British.

You know we'd throw in support for the side that tried freeing up the Pacific (in other words, you and USCS), so you would actually have a launching point into Australia.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Belmora

Nuremgard wrote:How about a liberal Scottish monarchy? That's what I have. :P

As a people that just got out of an awful monarchy that ruled for 40 years, we wouldn't be a fan.

Nuremgard, Belmora

Baxten wrote:Yes, it's Lat now

Yea fück you mate /s

Would you mind posting in the CG region. We need to consolidate that all to the region for max efficiency

Well, you have to see that it would be better suited for my own interests in hoarding up a supply of money if the Panama Canal wasn't owned by a nation in an alliance that charges high import taxes.

Come join our poll in the Inn! What Fictional religion would you choose to follow?

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=92545

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Friedensreich wrote:You know we'd throw in support for the side that tried freeing up the Pacific (in other words, you and USCS), so you would actually have a launching point into Australia.

In equal sense, he'd be unable to reach the Pacific without going either under Africa or under South America as I'd close the Panama canal to him and throw support towards the Aldauri considering they're ITF

Belmora

Belmora wrote:His Imperial Sovereign Majesty, The Lord's Great Chosen Tsar Henault IV of House Krevaulin has been crowned as the ruler of The Totalitarian Tsardom of [nation=short]Belmora[/nation] within The Iron Kremlin in [nation=short]Belmora[/nation]'s Capitol City of Varmeryn. All Hail The Tsar! Glory To The Tsardom!

How wonderful! Here's Thomas's statement on the subject:

"The State of Percyton congratulates Tsar Henault on his peaceful and orderly ascension to the throne of Belmora. We hope to achieve better relations with Belmora under the new Tsar, and we wish him the best of luck during his reign."

Belmora, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:In equal sense, he'd be unable to reach the Pacific without going either under Africa or under South America as I'd close the Panama canal to him and throw support towards the Aldauri considering they're ITF

https://media1.giphy.com/media/7tKEfRjktJ2MM/giphy.gif

You keep thinking that I wouldn't have a thing or two to do about that ;P

Belmora

Percyton wrote:How wonderful! Here's Thomas's statement on the subject:

"The State of Percyton congratulates Tsar Henault on his peaceful and orderly ascension to the throne of Belmora. We hope to achieve better relations with Belmora under the new Tsar, and we wish him the best of luck during his reign."

Thank you! We look forward to forming a friendly relationship with all!

Friedensreich wrote:https://media1.giphy.com/media/7tKEfRjktJ2MM/giphy.gif

You keep thinking that I wouldn't have a thing or two to do about that ;P

It looks like we have a nee aggressor in the Pacific! Easy to do when you're all alone :p

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Well, you have to see that it would be better suited for my own interests in hoarding up a supply of money if the Panama Canal wasn't owned by a nation in an alliance that charges high import taxes.

But we support free trade, even with non members.

Belmora

Belmora wrote:Thank you! We look forward to forming a friendly relationship with all!

It looks like we have a nee aggressor in the Pacific! Easy to do when you're all alone :p

I was fine with being alone in China until you tried swooping in and claiming the ocean :P

That's when I actually started looking forward to pushing a sort of allegiance to the USCS, who is really the only group in the world that would stand up to your absurd claim.

Seeing how Kuma was actually going to start it, you almost met Evil Fried. And lemme tell you, you don't want to know him :P

For example of what happens when Evil Fried gets loose, I staged a fully legal pogrom on a specific nationality of people in my nation because their homeland illegally placed an embargo on me. Once I ended the pogrom after they lifted their embargo, what did lil ole Fried do? Prepared to invade him and steamroll him with the Russians!

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Belmora

Baxten wrote:But we support free trade, even with non members.

So, you have 0% taxes on imports and vessels using your waterways? How do y'all make money?

Russian Fedration, Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:So, you have 0% taxes on imports and vessels using your waterways? How do y'all make money?

Oh, I only said support, not do. Andy's free to do with the canal as he pleases

I should've specified that, probably

Belmora

Baxten wrote:Oh, I only said support, not do. Andy's free to do with the canal as he pleases

I should've specified that, probably

Yee

Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:I was fine with being alone in China until you tried swooping in and claiming the ocean :P

That's when I actually started looking forward to pushing a sort of allegiance to the USCS, who is really the only group in the world that would stand up to your absurd claim.

Seeing how Kuma was actually going to start it, you almost met Evil Fried. And lemme tell you, you don't want to know him :P

For example of what happens when Evil Fried gets loose, I staged a fully legal pogrom on a specific nationality of people in my nation because their homeland illegally placed an embargo on me. Once I ended the pogrom after they lifted their embargo, what did lil ole Fried do? Prepared to invade him and steamroll him with the Russians!

Well you no longer have to worry about that :p Id Aldaur was still around, we would care little for ethnic Aldauri living outside the empire. They are not true Aldauri. True Aldauri would have never allowed you to commit pogrom against them, as they'd fight as martyrs :p Anyway, Aldaur was wiped out by a terrible cataclysmic natural disaster :p Make way for Belmora! *Elbows way into crowd* :p

Friedensreich wrote:So, you have 0% taxes on imports and vessels using your waterways? How do y'all make money?

You do realize that free trade permits businesses and people to buy and sell things cheaply, which results in greater profit and more disposable income, which also means more tax revenue. Free trade is great at bringing a country wealth. It isn't so good for other things, but making money has never been a problem with free trade.

Belmora wrote:Well you no longer have to worry about that :p Id Aldaur was still around, we would care little for ethnic Aldauri living outside the empire. They are not true Aldauri. True Aldauri would have never allowed you to commit pogrom against them, as they'd fight as martyrs :p Anyway, Aldaur was wiped out by a terrible cataclysmic natural disaster :p Make way for Belmora! *Elbows way into crowd* :p

You do realize that free trade permits businesses and people to buy and sell things cheaply, which results in greater profit and more disposable income, which also means more tax revenue. Free trade is great at bringing a country wealth. It isn't so good for other things, but making money has never been a problem with free trade.

No sh!t. I was talking about the ITF as a whole, not an individual nation. When it comes to individual nations, free trade is a godsend.

How does the ITF sustain itself if it doesn't charge import taxes from the trade of its members or the use of its indirectly owned water ways and there are no discernible membership fees? Every action the ITF does, like meeting to discuss about what to do with a Kumanian fleet fighting you in the Pacific, costs money. So where does it come from?

Russian Fedration, Belmora

Baxten wrote:Oh, I only said support, not do. Andy's free to do with the canal as he pleases

I should've specified that, probably

I suspect a big asterisk being necessary in saying Androm can do whatever he wants with the Panama Canal.... can he hike up his tariffs and charge a fee for the use of the Panama Canal with Mag, you, or Ald?

Russian Fedration, Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:I suspect a big asterisk being necessary in saying Androm can do whatever he wants with the Panama Canal.... can he hike up his tariffs and charge a fee for the use of the Panama Canal with Mag, you, or Ald?

Yes; whether that is popular to the point of being considered for ejection is a different matter, I suppose.

Friedensreich wrote:No sh!t. I was talking about the ITF as a whole, not an individual nation. When it comes to individual nations, free trade is a godsend.

How does the ITF sustain itself if it doesn't charge import taxes from the trade of its members or the use of its indirectly owned water ways and there are no discernible membership fees? Every action the ITF does, like meeting to discuss about what to do with a Kumanian fleet fighting you in the Pacific, costs money. So where does it come from?

Likely from the exact same way the UN survives, donations from member nations?

Belmora

Kalaron wrote:1) Yes; whether that is popular to the point of being considered for ejection is a different matter, I suppose.

2) Likely from the exact same way the UN survives, donations from member nations?

1) What a turn off.... I can see quite a few problems with that.

2) Wouldn't that be considered a membership fee then?

Friedensreich wrote:No sh!t. I was talking about the ITF as a whole, not an individual nation. When it comes to individual nations, free trade is a godsend.

How does the ITF sustain itself if it doesn't charge import taxes from the trade of its members or the use of its indirectly owned water ways and there are no discernible membership fees? Every action the ITF does, like meeting to discuss about what to do with a Kumanian fleet fighting you in the Pacific, costs money. So where does it come from?

I think you are misunderstanding.

We all agree to pay towards the maintenance of a unified ITF military. Sorta in the fashion of UN Peacekeepers.

We all agree to pay towards the maintenance of ITF facilities, and bases. We do not so much pay taxes, as the various governments give donations towards the maintenance of the body itself.

However the ITF as a body does not tax ITF controlled waterways. ITF member states tax, and control their own waterways.

For example:

[spoiler]

Tserra wrote:Official Message to the World in regards to the Suez Canal

The Republic of Tserra shall once again allow passage through the canal for ships from every nation, provided a few conditions are met.

Any vessel larger than a small freighter must comply with the following:

* The vessel in question is flagged.

* The vessel in question has an up to date, and valid transponder.

* The vessel is willing to submit to a general customs inspection upon entering, and exiting the canal.

(Note: General customs inspection will hereby be referred to as general inspection.)

Flagged ITF vessels with up to date transponders will in most cases be exempt from from general inspection, with merely a cursory inspection, but not in all cases.

Flagged O-Hope vessels with up to date transponders will in most cases be exempt from general inspection, with merely a cursory inspection, but not in all cases.

Flagged Hospital, and General Aid vessels, with up to date transponders will in most cases be exempt from general inspection, with merely a cursory inspection, but not in all cases.

One month from the date of the posting of this message, all cargo and freight vessels larger than a small freighter seeking to use the canal must pay a toll tax consisting of 1 percent of the estimated profits of its cargo. The toll is to be used for the maintenance of the canal, and any associated facilities. Including, but not limited to shipyards, dry-docks, berthing facilities, cargo loading, and off loading...etc.

(Note: Small Freighter is defined by the Tserran Office of Naval Intelligence as any vessel regardless of type, who's Dead Weight Tonnage is lower than 20,000)

[/spoiler]

Belmora, Kalaron

Friedensreich wrote:No sh!t. I was talking about the ITF as a whole, not an individual nation. When it comes to individual nations, free trade is a godsend.

How does the ITF sustain itself if it doesn't charge import taxes from the trade of its members or the use of its indirectly owned water ways and there are no discernible membership fees? Every action the ITF does, like meeting to discuss about what to do with a Kumanian fleet fighting you in the Pacific, costs money. So where does it come from?

We don't really give consideration to the Kumanian fleet. If he wants to chase the past nation of Aldaur, he can do whatever suits him. However, if that involves messing with Andy, well...diplomacy can only go so far.

Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:1) What a turn off.... I can see quite a few problems with that.

2) Wouldn't that be considered a membership fee then?

I mean, do you consider donating to charity a fee?

I don't, and considering that it's cheaper if everyone pitches in -Wow it's just like a pact between member states to support each others and lower total costs to any one nations woah- it would be pretty easy.

Besides, if he were outside the thing and started massively taxing people for no reason...well...no sh!t people get mad.

It seems like you want to break the ITF up in any way you can, tbh...or just don't really understand that the International Community is always -and will always- be watching everyone to see how they're doing.

Unsurprisingly, if you announce that you wanna gas people in your nation, well, it's your nation bro, but people won't exactly like you as much, will they?

Belmora

Baxten wrote:We don't really give consideration to the Kumanian fleet. If he wants to chase the past nation of Aldaur, he can do whatever suits him. However, if that involves messing with Andy, well...diplomacy can only go so far.

That was just an example. Any sort of meeting would have some expense to it, and I'm confused as to where the funds for these meetings come from. In addition, the central treasury must raise funds somehow if they are to pay members for their military contributions.

(I think you can guess why I'm being so inquisitive ;P)

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:I think you are misunderstanding.

We all agree to pay towards the maintenance of a unified ITF military. Sorta in the fashion of UN Peacekeepers.

We all agree to pay towards the maintenance of ITF facilities, and bases. We do not so much pay taxes, as the various governments give donations towards the maintenance of the body itself.

However the ITF as a body does not tax ITF controlled waterways. ITF member states tax, and control their own waterways.

For example:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It seems like the ITF is largely decentralized then, which is a good thing in my mind. So these donations are entirely voluntary?

Baxten wrote:We don't really give consideration to the Kumanian fleet. If he wants to chase the past nation of Aldaur, he can do whatever suits him. However, if that involves messing with Andy, well...diplomacy can only go so far.

Seeing as the Aldauri civilization collapsed overnight, there is no need for me to really have a presence in the Pacific for now. However, the fleet I sent just yesterday will still be heading for the Caribbean, but will be docked in Calofas instead of outside the Atlantic entrance to the Panama Canal to help with the creation of a Kumanian JFB in Calofas instead of awaiting orders to quickly mobilize into the Pacific.

Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:It seems like the ITF is largely decentralized then, which is a good thing in my mind. So these donations are entirely voluntary?

Yes. No one, to my knowledge has ever been forced to give anything to the ITF. Well no member state has at least. I mean we have probably robbed a few liquor stores in our time, but what grand alliance has not?

I can say this with some confidence. I have been a member of the ITF or a very long time. Long enough I can remember when it was only Baxten, Markotovia, and I.

Belmora, Friedensreich, Kalaron

Friedensreich wrote:It seems like the ITF is largely decentralized then, which is a good thing in my mind. So these donations are entirely voluntary?

Yes

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Seeing as the Aldauri civilization collapsed overnight, there is no need for me to really have a presence in the Pacific for now. However, the fleet I sent just yesterday will still be heading for the Caribbean, but will be docked in Calofas instead of outside the Atlantic entrance to the Panama Canal to help with the creation of a Kumanian JFB in Calofas instead of awaiting orders to quickly mobilize into the Pacific.

As long as it's a consensual thing, I have no need to be concerned

Belmora

Kalaron wrote:I mean, do you consider donating to charity a fee?

I don't, and considering that it's cheaper if everyone pitches in -Wow it's just like a pact between member states to support each others and lower total costs to any one nations woah- it would be pretty easy.

Besides, if he were outside the thing and started massively taxing people for no reason...well...no sh!t people get mad.

It seems like you want to break the ITF up in any way you can, tbh...or just don't really understand that the International Community is always -and will always- be watching everyone to see how they're doing.

Unsurprisingly, if you announce that you wanna gas people in your nation, well, it's your nation bro, but people won't exactly like you as much, will they?

Nah, I'm just asking hard questions because I want to know how the alliances of the world operate. As I've said before, OOC me and IC me are very different. OOC wise, I don't like alliances because I think they're too restrictive. But IC, I've said it numerous times that Dr. Sung is young and idealistic. There's a reason why she's inviting foreign nations into her capitol, as I've alluded to in the event.

It's an expense either way it's worded, but if it is mandatory or voluntary is another question entirely. If these donations are voluntary, good on y'all for the cooperation and initiative. But, if they're mandatory, well, I just want to know.

Belmora

Tserra wrote:Yes. No one, to my knowledge has ever been forced to give anything to the ITF. Well no member state has at least. I mean we have probably robbed a few liquor stores in our time, but what grand alliance has not?

I can say this with some confidence. I have been a member of the ITF or a very long time. Long enough I can remember when it was only Baxten, Markotovia, and I.

I remember.

I became a part after I made a ill-informed and completely unnecessary plan to evacuate Flynnvakia's leader by taking 40 miles of road as a donation.

Belmora

The ITF is heavily based off of NATO and, after reading NATO's funding page, is also based off of that. Most questions can be answered here

http://www.nato.int/cps/ro/natohq/topics_67655.htm

Belmora

Baxten wrote:Yes

As long as it's a consensual thing, I have no need to be concerned

Calofas and Kumania have a rich history together. Calofas is Kumania's biggest ally, even currently bigger than its fellow USCS states.

OOC in the ESU rp, Kumania and Calofas each had great military bases in each others nations, as both were practically on the opposite sides of the globe (Kumania was still in eastern Canada but Calofas was in Madagascar), and both wanted to be influential on the seas. So thus the pact gave the Kumanians and Calofasians the ability to be highly influential in both the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. A pact made between Kumania and Latrovia when he was Australia also gave Kumanians great access to the Pacific while the Latrovians had great access to the Atlantic. Calofas, Kumania, Latrovia, and this other guy named PLR were pretty much the top four most powerful nations in the ESU rp, and wielded great influence on the rest of the world. In a world where Latrovia and PLR both vied to reign supreme, whoever the Kumanians and Calofasians supported had tremendous advantage over the other. And Kumania and Calofas typically were always on the same side, and Calofas had leanings more in favor of PLR, so PLR tended to be the top nation while Latrovia frequently tried to even the score or gain an advantage. It was fun times.

Perhaps this history can greatly explain why in rp Latrovia to you guys is kinda whack. And sometimes Calofas and I might be too. Where we came from, we were the power. It's taken a lot for me to humble myself and practically let a world exist where Europeans were mostly the biggest powers. In the ESU rp, your biggest powers were in Canada, Australia, Northern Africa, and Madagascar. It wasn't basically Russians vs Germans like this rp world.

Merlinton wrote:I'm not sure if you're actually familiar with Spanish or Latin culture but on the off chance that you are, do you have any idea where cogida is actually used? I'm most familiar with Costa Rican slang and vulgarity from an exchange program and continued conversations, and they never use cogida there - obviously they have other words, but not that.

Viva Franco

Tserra wrote:Yes. No one, to my knowledge has ever been forced to give anything to the ITF. Well no member state has at least. I mean we have probably robbed a few liquor stores in our time, but what grand alliance has not?

I can say this with some confidence. I have been a member of the ITF or a very long time. Long enough I can remember when it was only Baxten, Markotovia, and I.

Doesn't sound bad. My past experiences with alliances called for unceasing loyalty, discretion, open borders, mutual cooperation, mandatory military assistance, all that jazz. All of that has left a sour taste in my mouth about them.

Plus, they have a tendency to dictate my foreign policy. For example, this one alliance I was in strained and almost ruined my close relationship with Vid back in TNI after a member disliked his genocide against the locals in Libya. There was also the time I was almost kicked out of the same alliance because I refused to support someone's military occupation of a budding democracy and negotiated for the end of the occupation.

Belmora

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Calofas and Kumania have a rich history together. Calofas is Kumania's biggest ally, even currently bigger than its fellow USCS states.

OOC in the ESU rp, Kumania and Calofas each had great military bases in each others nations, as both were practically on the opposite sides of the globe (Kumania was still in eastern Canada but Calofas was in Madagascar), and both wanted to be influential on the seas. So thus the pact gave the Kumanians and Calofasians the ability to be highly influential in both the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. A pact made between Kumania and Latrovia when he was Australia also gave Kumanians great access to the Pacific while the Latrovians had great access to the Atlantic. Calofas, Kumania, Latrovia, and this other guy named PLR were pretty much the top four most powerful nations in the ESU rp, and wielded great influence on the rest of the world. In a world where Latrovia and PLR both vied to reign supreme, whoever the Kumanians and Calofasians supported had tremendous advantage over the other. And Kumania and Calofas typically were always on the same side, and Calofas had leanings more in favor of PLR, so PLR tended to be the top nation while Latrovia frequently tried to even the score or gain an advantage. It was fun times.

Perhaps this history can greatly explain why in rp Latrovia to you guys is kinda whack. And sometimes Calofas and I might be too. Where we came from, we were the power. It's taken a lot for me to humble myself and practically let a world exist where Europeans were mostly the biggest powers. In the ESU rp, your biggest powers were in Canada, Australia, Northern Africa, and Madagascar. It wasn't basically Russians vs Germans like this rp world.

*ahem* I believe you forgot a power in the ESU days.

The Empire Of Handland wrote:*ahem* I believe you forgot a power in the ESU days.

The thing is you were kinda on-again off-again. You lacked the consistency. Like your nation would be relevant for some time and then disappear back into the shadows.

Merlinton

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:The thing is you were kinda on-again off-again. You lacked the consistency. Like your nation would be relevant for some time and then disappear back into the shadows.

Welcome to being an isolationist. I only came in when called upon by allies. Don't forget who Calofas' first ally was. I defended him from Latrovian aggression and helped him form his government he had then. Is he still around by the way?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:The thing is you were kinda on-again off-again. You lacked the consistency. Like your nation would be relevant for some time and then disappear back into the shadows.

Also, if you mean being around on the game, I did go to basic training for two and half months so yeah I wasn't around for quite a while.

So I applied for the forums a while back, and when does that get accepted? Do I have to be a citizen?

Friedensreich wrote:Was eating dinner.

I do agree that it is biased, but every news outlet has some sort of bias. For example, CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC, and the like are progressively biased, and IBT, Townhall, and Breitbart are conservatively biased.

Yeah, but not to the point of Al Jazeera lol

Russian Fedration wrote:A whabi believer

I don't think you understood a word I said

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Seeing as the Aldauri civilization collapsed overnight

Nature is a real bitch. I heard the Aldauri were experimenting in terra forming and geo-altering, which is what causes the cataclysm. That's what those God forsaken pagans get :p

Friedensreich wrote:Doesn't sound bad

You should join! It really is nothing but benefits :p Now that those Aldauri douches are gone, what's stopping ya? :p

Yukona wrote:I don't think you understood a word I said

did you not see my later statement of Correction?

Maybe you should read all the posts?

Russian Fedration wrote:did you not see my later statement of Correction?

Maybe you should read all the posts?

Nope. Too many messages.

Post self-deleted by The Royal Republic Of Kumania.

Yukona wrote:Nope. Too many messages.

well..than thats not my problem

Friedensreich wrote:Doesn't sound bad.

Belmora wrote:Nature is a real bitch. I heard the Aldauri were experimenting in terra forming and geo-altering, which is what causes the cataclysm.

You should join! It really is nothing but benefits :p Now that those Aldauri douches are gone, what's stopping ya? :p

I should quickly remind you Fried that the USCS also does not infringe on your national sovereignty. So far, it's practically felt like Kumania is still its own nation even though it's basically joined a socialist version of the EU. Also, USCS membership brings a defensive pact with it so if your nation is attacked, then the combined forces of Bearlong, Unfallious, Aldwood, Minnesota Dakota, and Kumania will be there to defend you ASAP! I'm not aware if the ITF has such a deal for their member states. I'll bet I could invade Magnatronia if I really wanted to and not risk being attacked by the Germans. Also, if you're a socialist nation, then why not join a socialist union? The easiest way to void out any socialist progress your nation has made is joining a capitalist organization like the ITF.

Friedensreich

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I should quickly remind you Fried that the USCS also does not infringe on your national sovereignty. So far, it's practically felt like Kumania is still its own nation even though it's basically joined a socialist version of the EU. Also, USCS membership brings a defensive pact with it so if your nation is attacked, then the combined forces of Bearlong, Unfallious, Aldwood, Minnesota Dakota, and Kumania will be there to defend you ASAP! I'm not aware if the ITF has such a deal for their member states. I'll bet I could invade Magnatronia if I really wanted to and not risk being attacked by the Germans. Also, if you're a socialist nation, then why not join a socialist union? The easiest way to void out any socialist progress your nation has made is joining a capitalist organization like the ITF.

We have the same policy of mutual defense. Also, you don't have to be or become capitalist when joining the ITF. Belmora isn't capitalist, we have a 90% tax rate in our country lol The ITF is good for making good trade connections, as well as gaining international support and a military alliance while allowing you to be your own nation.

Russian Fedration wrote:well..than thats not my problem

Nor is you not understanding what I was saying lol

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I should quickly remind you Fried that the USCS also does not infringe on your national sovereignty. So far, it's practically felt like Kumania is still its own nation even though it's basically joined a socialist version of the EU. Also, USCS membership brings a defensive pact with it so if your nation is attacked, then the combined forces of Bearlong, Unfallious, Aldwood, Minnesota Dakota, and Kumania will be there to defend you ASAP! I'm not aware if the ITF has such a deal for their member states. I'll bet I could invade Magnatronia if I really wanted to and not risk being attacked by the Germans. Also, if you're a socialist nation, then why not join a socialist union? The easiest way to void out any socialist progress your nation has made is joining a capitalist organization like the ITF.

You would be absolutely wrong about that. The ITF is a mutual defensive alliance. Honestly the Trade portion of our name does not really come into play as often as one would think. An attack on one of us, is an attack on all of us. Technically no ITF member state can refuse to come to the defense of another ITF member state. Failure to do so, will result in expulsion from the alliance.

Mind you this does not cover wars of aggression. If I were to attack you right now for example, no ITF member would be obligated to help me in any way.

Now I would hope if you attacked Magnatronia, that even Andromitus would come to his defense, but I cannot speak for Andromitus. I think you understand my point.

Belmora, Kalaron

Yukona wrote:Yeah, but not to the point of Al Jazeera lol

Yeah, but the only real news sources I don't take without a HUGE grain of salt are Die Welt (for some reason, I subconsciously consider news articles in German less biased?), Reuters and AFP. I don't understand how people can just have one news source. I have about 10 (mostly British, German, and some Chinese for when I want to read about the Chinese gov't's perspective on events) on the news app on my phone.

Yukona

Yukona wrote:Nor is you not understanding what I was saying lol

I understood after Clarification.

Belmora

Tserra wrote:You would be absolutely wrong about that. The ITF is a mutual defensive alliance. Honestly the Trade portion of our name does not really come into play as often as one would think. An attack on one of us, is an attack on all of us. Technically no ITF member state can refuse to come to the defense of another ITF member state. Failure to do so, will result in expulsion from the alliance.

Mind you this does not cover wars of aggression. If I were to attack you right now for example, no ITF member would be obligated to help me in any way.

Now I would hope if you attacked Magnatronia, that even Andromitus would come to his defense, but I cannot speak for Andromitus. I think you understand my point.

[nation=short]Russian_Fedration[/nation], remember how obsessive the Cabal was about silencing internal disputes and how AMMO tried hiding its tensions? I got so used to that that it is amazing how Mag and Androm have been exchanging such sour faces and remarks at each other publicly and haven't been called to settle down yet and act like nothing happened. It is so foreign, which is really weird.

As for the fact that mutual defense is mandatory, I have a bad track record when it comes to agreeing to it, especially since I try to stay out of wars and hate dragging my military into a conflict that I have no place in. No "World Police" reputation for me!

Russian Fedration

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Can we just have Cheney as president?

If by "we" you mean the United States then I endeavour to remind you that you did. For eight years, remember? He had that muppet named "George" and he shot his friend in the face?

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:[nation=short]Russian_Fedration[/nation], remember how obsessive the Cabal was about silencing internal disputes and how AMMO tried hiding its tensions? I got so used to that that it is amazing how Mag and Androm have been exchanging such sour faces and remarks at each other publicly and haven't been called to settle down yet and act like nothing happened. It is so foreign, which is really weird.

As for the fact that mutual defense is mandatory, I have a bad track record when it comes to agreeing to it, especially since I try to stay out of wars and hate dragging my military into a conflict that I have no place in. No "World Police" reputation for me!

I agree

Even before the TNI it was always a thought of mine that in alliances you always show a united front

And that bottom part

I don't think I am

Correct me if I'm wrong lol

Tserra wrote:You would be absolutely wrong about that. The ITF is a mutual defensive alliance. Honestly the Trade portion of our name does not really come into play as often as one would think. An attack on one of us, is an attack on all of us. Technically no ITF member state can refuse to come to the defense of another ITF member state. Failure to do so, will result in expulsion from the alliance.

Mind you this does not cover wars of aggression. If I were to attack you right now for example, no ITF member would be obligated to help me in any way.

Now I would hope if you attacked Magnatronia, that even Andromitus would come to his defense, but I cannot speak for Andromitus. I think you understand my point.

At least USCS nations don't plot to start proxy wars utilising non-ITF nations so they don't break the 'mutual defense' agreement.

*cough*

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:At least USCS nations don't plot to start proxy wars utilising non-ITF nations so they don't break the 'mutual defense' agreement.

*cough*

Oh, when was this?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Oh, when was this?

The Unfallion intelligence collective has received evidence to suggest ITF members have plot to back invasions of ITF nations utilising non-ITF states. We'll release this evidence just as soon as we've secured the parties at risk.

A general notice to ITF nations. You might want to restructure your alliance.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:The Unfallion intelligence collective has received evidence to suggest ITF members have plot to back invasions of ITF nations utilising non-ITF states. We'll release this evidence just as soon as we've secured the parties at risk.

A general notice to ITF nations. You might want to restructure your alliance.

For an alliance that takes a lot of inspiration from NATO, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some shady proxy business going on. Any names?

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:The Unfallion intelligence collective has received evidence to suggest ITF members have plot to back invasions of ITF nations utilising non-ITF states. We'll release this evidence just as soon as we've secured the parties at risk.

A general notice to ITF nations. You might want to restructure your alliance.

Here's hoping it's good evidence.

Friedensreich wrote:For an alliance that takes a lot of inspiration from NATO, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some shady proxy business going on. Any names?

It would me, nothing like this has occured before, I'd see it never occur again.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:The Unfallion intelligence collective has received evidence to suggest ITF members have plot to back invasions of ITF nations utilising non-ITF states. We'll release this evidence just as soon as we've secured the parties at risk.

A general notice to ITF nations. You might want to restructure your alliance.

I'd leave the alliance if that were to be true

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:I'd leave the alliance if that were to be true

Leave the alliance regardless. Let Yukona be free! :D :D :D

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Yukona wrote:I'd leave the alliance if that were to be true

I'd recommend us to have a backup if it is.

Perhaps we could work against the one who did it, if anyone did at all?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I should quickly remind you Fried that the USCS also does not infringe on your national sovereignty. So far, it's practically felt like Kumania is still its own nation even though it's basically joined a socialist version of the EU. Also, USCS membership brings a defensive pact with it so if your nation is attacked, then the combined forces of Bearlong, Unfallious, Aldwood, Minnesota Dakota, and Kumania will be there to defend you ASAP! I'm not aware if the ITF has such a deal for their member states. I'll bet I could invade Magnatronia if I really wanted to and not risk being attacked by the Germans. Also, if you're a socialist nation, then why not join a socialist union? The easiest way to void out any socialist progress your nation has made is joining a capitalist organization like the ITF.

About Bear; he hasn't shown me any signs of activity, and so Unf took his land. Unf also gave permission to let Ald move to the eastern areas of the lands as a conservative monarchy. Also, we have a defensive clause; it's stated in the Charter.

Belmora, Yukona

Yukona wrote:I'd leave the alliance if that were to be true

So would I. I don't even know what he's talking about. Unless of course it was that spat with Andy due to him being a "semi-pinko". That's over us now. I just really said that to entertain Mag (sorry Mag, but I can't lose Andy).

Yukona

Kalaron wrote:I'd recommend us to have a backup if it is.

Perhaps we could work against the one who did it, if anyone did at all?

I'd probably create a non-aligned cooperative agreement, rather than a military alliance aimed at one thing or another. Basically just a bunch of non-aggression pacts and a non-aggression clause within the agreement. You could have socialist nations and capitalist countries working together, but it's just a thought. NACA (na-ka) sounds like a good name.

Kalaron wrote:I'd recommend us to have a backup if it is.

Perhaps we could work against the one who did it, if anyone did at all?

I'd just expel the one who did, then we go from there.

If it was me, then I'll hold elections for a new Commander of the ITF, as I would find it unfit to lead.

Belmora, Yukona

Friedensreich wrote:For an alliance that takes a lot of inspiration from NATO, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some shady proxy business going on. Any names?

Its a NATO equivalent

What do you expect ?

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