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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Um... I think they are. Because of the law. And how Vista broke them.
I never did say the accusation were true or not. just wondering if you want
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Umm... because it's the law?
Who people would support is irrelevant. Trials are decided by the individual judge or the Supreme Court as a whole, not by the citizens of the region.
Yeah, but you plan to impeach the president of the CFN, just so you could get back at him for booting you? Damn, you hold a hell of a grudge.
You keep saying that, but I haven't seen where in the CFN Law Code or Constitution it states that all residents have the right to a trial. Could you show us where you found that information?
Aghrabia
The more you know I guess.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia
Omg stop. An accusation is something that has yet to proven. Everything I have said is on record. I was a reside t. I was ejected without a trial. Vista broke the law. A court might decline to punish him but he def. Broke the law.
so who are we voting for in the flag contest? :^)
It's stated on the citizenship/residency applicatiom
Dunno don't care.
Omg please reread my posts until you realize what a dumb post you just made.
One, you were a troll.
Two, you have no legal protection as you didn't apply to be one.
Three, this is done.
Aghrabia, Yukona, Magnatronia
Post self-deleted by Sulania.
He's got you there.
Random post in the middle of an argument A+
Jaslandia, Aghrabia
1. No one is doubting you were ejected. What we are doubting is whether Vista really broke the law by ejecting you.
2. The courts decide whether or not someone broke the law, not you. You have no legal standing to indisputably claim that a law was broken.
Um.... no. Just because you don't like me, it doesn't mearn I am a troll.
2. You are wrong. Everyone is a resident on arrival
3. You are hilariously overconfident.
Actually I checked, and he does have the right to fair trial in the region as a resident.
can we get keemstar in here
Aghrabia, Magnatronia
Nevermind, stand corrected
How much legal power a citizenship application has is arguable, and whether or not the words of the citizenship application are considered to be law is something that the courts should decide.
WRONG. You are a resident automaticaally on arrival regiStration is not required. The roster is not definitive and never up to date. For God sakes read the law tim.
Well no, you were insulting everyone with the clesr intent to infuriate, which makes you a troll.
You do have a point though since the MOIA worded it a certain way.
I'm going to go do RL stuff now. Again, I encourage the MoJ to prosecute vista.
Quick question, how long have you been planning this?
Aghrabia, Andromitus, Yukona, Magnatronia, Solla Ultima
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Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia
That's not how it works here. We need a trial and investigation before we prosecute anyone. The fact that you are so confident that you want to jump straight to prosecution doesn't speak well of you.
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
I already said I stand corrected, even though the roster makes a distinction between registered residents and residing nations at the bottom.
Can't we just ban him an go on our merry ways?
Solla Ultima
Nope.
Whoever was the first MOIA made it so all who come in get a trial.
I'll ask Peng to rewrite that soon but he can't be ejected without a court at the moment even though he's a troll.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
reee
Was that law active upon his ejection?
For once I agree with you. Unless if vista really did brake any laws witch I doubt he did.
By the law, no. Because whoever laid out policy for the MoI stated everyone is automatically granted resident status, with those privileges, his argument holds ground.
I mean, unless we disregard it, of course.
That's the point.
I mean, then in theory we can do anything.
Exactly.
Well that's the problem, isn't it? Are we to consider the MoI's citizenship application to be equivalent to law with full legal force? Or is the application just an statement of policy that is liable to be incorrect or inaccurate? I don't know, and that's something the courts should decide when possible.
It's an MOIA policy, which, depending on your view of whether the President sets policy regarding IA, FA and the others could be overwritten.
This, funnily enough, is a Supreme Court issue.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Unless Executive Authority overrides Interior Ministry Authority, which I don't know if it does or not. Since there is no real citizenship law pertaining to this sitch, it's really up to the courts to determine whether the Executive can override the Ministry.
Jaslandia
Which we wont; He is warranted a fair and unbiased trial. He also has a constitutional freedom of speech which we cannot infringe upon, however, unless there is one that I'm unaware of, I would propose the ability of either the MoJ or Citizens to prosecute those who commit acts of "trolling", granted we'll need to define "troll" and all its sub-uses, but still, its only an idea.
But on a separate topic, I do enjoy his initiative re-entering the region, and as long as he doesn't cause a huge ruckus, I.e. Hate speech, harassment etc. I personally think he'd (she'd?) be an interesting character within the CoFN. Primarily because it's not a test on us to see how we can effectively deal with toxicity, and, if simply ejecting/banjecting them is acceptable. (And I mean minor toxicity, not actual toxicity, such as racism.)
I will not personally persecute Vista as of yet, however, I will ensure you aren't stopped from forming a legal basis for prosecution in our court system. I cannot, however, guarantee verdicts for Vista that would include Ban/ejection.
I also would suggest, now that you fully understand how generally unprepared (at least in my personal opinion) our region can be when dealing with situations such as yourself, so as a personal reminder, which I highly suggest you heed, it's better to mend ties than to break them further, follow this and you'll most certainly see me as your ally; On the other hand, much like a double edged sword, if you voicing your opinions shifts into general harrasmement of certain characters [howdy kally ;)], I will be a...bit less friendly.
I wan't to be your ally, but I can only be that if you help me first.
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
If the HoD didn't pass a law saying this, then it isn't law, and i can't find anything in the law archives
I've dealt with enough toxicity from old regions.
I'm not one to be angered or agitated easily, but I ain't in the business of Valt2.0
Aghrabia, Oelesa, Yukona
Post self-deleted by Tecmonaenov.
Again, stuff like this isn't helping your case. I suggest you heed Andromitus's advice and try to be a little more diplomatic in the future.
I don't have a case. Just the law.
That's not how it works. Violation of the law still has to be proven first.
Solla Ultima
Sir, where is this law in the archives on the forums?
Omg you people it's called administrative law. Law is not just legislation. A policy created by an executtive agency is law too.
Nah, it's fine.
Let him continue his usual shtick, there's only Androm literally telling him not to.
There also has to be a law too, not just policy.
Jaslandia
That's why in most democratic nations you have to be proven guilty before you are punished I suggest that you use you your brain before you post anymore comments that will only hurt your credibility and any chance that the MoJ will help you
That isn't detailed in our Constitution, so that doesn't carry any weight.
Jaslandia
https://youtu.be/k98mh8yCHMM
Oelesa
Just to quick reminder to keep things civil. I won't name names, but I've seen a couple of borderline incidents, and I don't want this to escalate any further.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The Cross And Davids Star, Yukona
Omg that's an absolutely ridiculously stupid thing to say. A something needs to be in the constitution to be a thing? Get real.
To be real?
No.
To be relevant?
Yes.
Aghrabia, Solla Ultima
Yes, declaring that executive policy is law is very serious. As such if there is no legal grounds to support that policy from a minister is law, then it isn't law. Policy is policy, why would the MoI or past MoI guarantee rights to non citizens and have no legal ground is beyond me.
Things such as that aren't just universal.
Jaslandia
Why the hell are you people arguing over something so insignificant. Get it over with and kick him/her. No one wants them around anyways, and let's be honest, no one's gonna take this charge seriously. It still baffles me why we over-complicate these kind of things, when we can get it over with by kicking the offending party.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia
a fake law on a bloody browser game
Don't even begin getting all obsessed with "laws" created by fake governments on a browser game. Bring that autism far away from here somewhere else. We don't tolerate special people who cry about silly things on a freaking browser game.
Aghrabia, Magnatronia
This dude's keeping it real^
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia
Respectfully, we do follow a system of laws here.
Republic City Police
You are in the wrong regiom
Nah fam I fit in and get along with everyone here. I don't stir the pot. The same cannot be said for you. Get out. You don't belong here, especially if you're gunna have an autistic freak out when our fictional laws aren't being followed to the letter.
Tecmonaenov
Omg you are the best. i could spend hours on this one.
Seriously I am loling so hard
I understand that, but the law is inefficient. I believe that we should be practical. And anyways, this dude'll be kicked out by sunrise tomorrow.
Tecmonaenov
I like you. You seem to get it.
You're the one I wanna kick and ban.
Aghrabia, Tecmonaenov
I know. But your reasoning is sound. Youre not a simpleton or an blind ideologue. Youre practical. And I admire that.
Or misinformed and overconfident. That's a huge problem here. But don't worry. Uncle tec is here to cure that.
Night yall.
First you use a serious mental disorder as an insult, and then you tell someone to leave the region. Neither are acceptable. Knock it off.
Don't encourage him.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Night, creep.
Insults are not acceptable. I recommend you don't do it again.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
To be fair, they both have good intentions.
Hackles are a little raised right now -and rightfully should be- since a troll just came back and wants to try to trial our President while reciting incorrect evidence.
Law is inefficient, however, it serves us more to follow the law and policy insofar as it remains so, and crumpling to his level does nothing for us..
I'm going to talk to Peng tommorow, see if we can't sort this mess out.
Aghrabia
What are you, the PC Police? If someone's acting a certain way Ima call them out on it.
I was in the process of making mine but the window closed too quickly
Darn trolls got loose from their cages. What a perfect nightmare. Arrrr
What do you mean?
I was trying to do some Jack Sparrow impersonation. Thus I added the "arr" in the end. :P
I wanted to change the colors for the old flag, but I couldn't make a decision.
Lol, obviously you Peng. You make all the good flags
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
So...that just happened. Glad I wasn't there to see that
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
I've gotta agree with Unf. This region may not be deserving of the Tea Flag, but it really is the best one
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
How about blue and white, they seem to be the most sensible ones.
You and me both.
Penguania And Antarctica
Make that three.
Aghrabia
Seriously though guys, who cares? You're saying we have laws we have to follow and all of that, but, as Kumania said before he went of on a rant, this is still just a browser game, this is still just an online community. Now I will be the first person to admit that without laws society has nothing to stand on, but at some point it just goes too far. This is a troll, how hard can it be just to kick him again? I've had bad experiences with trolls and know how it can affect people if you just don't kick them as soon as possible after they (re)appear. So why are we arguing about this?
Nuremgard, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia
Totally agreed. It's just a bloody game. I've been saying this for ages.
Ludania, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
I'm pretty sure Sparrow didn't say 'Arr' in the movies. Maybe Barbosa did.
Damn it, now I have to watch the movies again.
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
I wouldn't mind that color change
Aghrabia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica
The numerous imperial German flags is confusing.
Ludania, Jaslandia, Baxten, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
It really is. Even for a German guy.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Baxten, Aghrabia, The Cross And Davids Star
Hey, Peng. Saw how rudely Trump treated Merkel the other day. Total c*nt. Your leader rocks.
Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica
Hmm. Well Merkel is Chancellor for 12 years now, Trump President for some month. I guess you get used to the rude guys. (Like Putin and Erdogan)
Well, if you mean she is like a rock then I agree. She tends to sit things out.
Ludania, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia
Well, that's just what happens when Germans were the main colonial power
Speaking of, I just change my flag to have a new, bigger eagle. I may change it back to the old one (I'll show below). Which do y'all think is better
http://www.holy-roman-empire.org/Holy%20Roman%20Empire%20Eagle%20No%20Background.gif
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
How about those four ?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Flagge_Deutsches_Reich_-_Dienstflagge_zur_See_%281921-1926%29.svg/640px-Flagge_Deutsches_Reich_-_Dienstflagge_zur_See_%281921-1926%29.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Reichsdienstflagge_1933-1935.svg/640px-Reichsdienstflagge_1933-1935.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/War_Ensign_of_Germany_%281903-1918%29.svg/800px-War_Ensign_of_Germany_%281903-1918%29.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Flag_of_German_Empire_%28jack_1903%29.svg/1024px-Flag_of_German_Empire_%28jack_1903%29.svg.png
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Baxten
I've thought of using a variation of the third and fourth one, but I do really wanna keep that double-headed eagle
Penguania And Antarctica
Post self-deleted by Baxten.
Also, what would y'all think of doing a WWI-present day RP. Instead of starting in the present, we start in the early 20th century. It'd follow the same system of the CG (Or the World War RP for those older members) where it'd be a huge thread of all the RPs within this RP. To accommodate for time, there'd be time skips to and from each major event. Of course, we'd need a new map, and we'd all use our own nations. There would also be some nations that'd be under colonial rule or some that would start revolutions within others (looking at Unf in an Imperial Nuremgard Russia). I'll deal with those things later, but let's keep it simple for now. The Bear Eagle RP would be postponed and become part of this Mega-RP in the future. I personally want to this because I think it'd be fun, but also so I can flesh out my history. And two things: This can change the map and I won't put math in this. In hindsight, I see how that was a bad idea
Ludania, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Magnatronia
It sounds exceptionally difficult to control, incredibly complicated and the numbers thing is just gonna sprial this down IMO.
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