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Nuremgard wrote:It's a strange old world when Russia calls for a UN inquiry while Britain, France and the US all agree to respond to the supposed gas attack in Syria. And of course, the Guardian leads with a picture of a young toddler seemingly affected by the gas. Nice touch, guys. I guess doing the same with a Yemeni child wouldn't have been as effective eh? Oh, aye, I forgot. It's our bombs killing them so that makes it okay.

I mean, the longer that Russia delays the longer the chemical markers in the soil erode due to a number of factors, but I guess we can rely on an outdated and slow means of getting people out there, sure. It matches their signature and it fits their foreign policy, honestly.

Nuremgard wrote:Even if it was true, it's not worth sacrificing British troops for.

The farther out this conflict goes, the worse it is for the world. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The ounce is being paid with a literal coalition's blood, if we leave then we get to pay with the pound later.

Also: "If it was" is a ridiculous thing to say. France, Britain and the US have all jointly said there's been an attack. It's doubtful to me that they'd suddenly be lying when Assad's history with this weapon is literally all good things with the exception of the TLAM strike.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, the longer that Russia delays the longer the chemical markers in the soil erode due to a number of factors, but I guess we can rely on an outdated and slow means of getting people out there, sure. It matches their signature and it fits their foreign policy, honestly.

The farther out this conflict goes, the worse it is for the world. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. The ounce is being paid with a literal coalition's blood, if we leave then we get to pay with the pound later.

Also: "If it was" is a ridiculous thing to say. France, Britain and the US have all jointly said there's been an attack. It's doubtful to me that they'd suddenly be lying when Assad's history with this weapon is literally all good things with the exception of the TLAM strike.

Lol yeah okay. France, Britain and the US said there was an attack, therefore it must be true. It's not like they'd lie in order to fulfill geopolitical aims in the Middle East or anything like that. And seriously, why are Syrian kids so special that we need to go to war for them? How come it's fine for kids to be blown up by bombs or shot or beheaded but when they get poisoned, that's somehow the last straw just because?

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Lol yeah okay. France, Britain and the US said there was an attack, therefore it must be true. It's not like they'd lie in order to fulfill geopolitical aims in the Middle East or anything like that. And seriously, why are Syrian kids so special that we need to go to war for them? How come it's fine for kids to be blown up by bombs or shot or beheaded but when they get poisoned, that's somehow the last straw just because?

Compared to the nation that used the weapon before and Russia? Yes, it's unlikely that they're suddenly lying when it all makes a terrible kind of sense.

Occam's razor holds until a full investigation is done, but by then Assad will have likely already delayed enough to erode the most signifigant markers anyway so w/e.

I mean, it's really not OK either way so I'm not sure where you got that but it's irrelevant to my point beyond "The world collectively decided that kids chocking to death on mustard gas/suffering from a slow and painful death via Sarin was worse than a death by bomb"

I repeat my actual point which you've ignored. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We pay it now in a coalition or we pay it later alone.

Wish you all a wonderful day. :D

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Today is April 10 and today are:

- ASPCA Day

- Day of the Builder (Azerbaijan)

- Feast of the Third Day of the Writing of the Book of the Law (Thelema)

- Free Cone Day (Ben & Jerry's)

- Golfer's Day

- International Safety Pin Day

- International Siblings Day

- National Be Kind to Lawyers Day (United States)

- National Cinnamon Crescent Day (United States)

- National Encourage a Young Writer Day (United States)

- National Equal Pay Day (United States)

- National Farm Animals Day (United States)

- National Library Day (United States)

- National Library Workers Day (United States)

- National Siblings Day (United States)

- National Youth HIV and AIDS Awareness Day (United States)

- Salvation Army Founder's Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0428 – Nestorius becomes the Patriarch of Constantinople.

- 0837 – Halley's Comet makes its closest approach to Earth at a distance equal to 0.0342 AU (5.1 million kilometres/3.2 million miles).

- 0879 – Louis III and Carloman II become Kings of the Western Franks.

- 1407 – Deshin Shekpa, 5th Karmapa Lama visits the Ming dynasty capital at Nanjing. He is awarded the title "Great Treasure Prince of Dharma".

- 1500 – Ludovico Sforza is captured by Swiss troops at Novara and is handed over to the French.

- 1606 – The Virginia Company of London is established by royal charter by James I of England with the purpose of establishing colonial settlements in North America.

- 1710 – The Statute of Anne, the first law regulating copyright, comes into force in Great Britain.

- 1741 – War of the Austrian Succession: Prussia gains control of Silesia at the Battle of Mollwitz.

- 1809 – Napoleonic Wars: The War of the Fifth Coalition begins when forces of the Austrian Empire invade Bavaria.

- 1815 – The Mount Tambora volcano begins a three-month-long eruption, lasting until July 15. The eruption ultimately kills 71,000 people and affects Earth's climate for the next two years.

- 1816 – The Federal government of the United States approves the creation of the Second Bank of the United States.

- 1821 – Patriarch Gregory V of Constantinople is hanged by the Ottoman government from the main gate of the Patriarchate and his body is thrown into the Bosphorus.

- 1826 – The 10,500 inhabitants of the Greek town of Missolonghi begin leaving the town after a year's siege by Turkish forces. Very few of them survive.

- 1856 – The Theta Chi fraternity is founded at Norwich University in Vermont.

- 1858 – After the original Big Ben, a 14.5 tonnes (32,000 lb) bell for the Palace of Westminster, had cracked during testing, it is recast into the current 13.76 tonnes (30,300 lb) bell by Whitechapel Bell Foundry.

- 1864 – Archduke Maximilian of Habsburg is proclaimed emperor of Mexico during the French intervention in Mexico.

- 1865 – American Civil War: A day after his surrender to Union forces, Confederate General Robert E. Lee addresses his troops for the last time.

- 1866 – The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) is founded in New York City by Henry Bergh.

- 1868 – At Arogee in Abyssinia, British and Indian forces defeat an army of Emperor Tewodros II. While 700 Ethiopians are killed and many more injured, only two British/Indian troops die.

- 1872 – The first Arbor Day is celebrated in Nebraska.

- 1887 – On Easter Sunday, Pope Leo XIII authorizes the establishment of the Catholic University of America.

- 1904 – British mystic Aleister Crowley transcribes the third and final chapter of The Book of the Law.

- 1912 – RMS Titanic sets sail from Southampton, England on her maiden and only voyage.

- 1916 – The Professional Golfers' Association of America (PGA) is created in New York City.

- 1919 – Mexican Revolution leader Emiliano Zapata is ambushed and shot dead by government forces in Morelos.

- 1925 – The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald is first published in New York City, by Charles Scribner's Sons.

- 1941 – World War II: The Axis powers establish the Independent State of Croatia.

- 1944 – Rudolf Vrba and Alfréd Wetzler escape from Birkenau death camp.

- 1948 – United Nations Security Council Resolution 45 recommends that the Union of Burma be admitted to the UN.

- 1957 – The Suez Canal is reopened for all shipping after being closed for three months.

- 1963 – One hundred twenty-nine American sailors die when the submarine USS Thresher sinks at sea.

- 1970 – Paul McCartney announces that he is leaving The Beatles for personal and professional reasons.

- 1971 – Ping-pong diplomacy: In an attempt to thaw relations with the United States, the People's Republic of China hosts the U.S. table tennis team for a week-long visit.

- 1972 – Tombs containing bamboo slips, among them Sun Tzu's Art of War and Sun Bin's lost military treatise, are accidentally discovered by construction workers in Shandong.

- 1972 – Vietnam War: For the first time since November 1967, American B-52 bombers reportedly begin bombing North Vietnam.

- 1973 – Invicta International Airlines Flight 435 crashes in a snowstorm on approach to Basel, Switzerland killing 108 people.

- 1979 – Red River Valley tornado outbreak: A tornado lands in Wichita Falls, Texas killing 42 people.

- 1988 – The Ojhri Camp explosion kills more than 1,000 people in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.

- 1991 – Italian ferry MS Moby Prince collides with an oil tanker in dense fog off Livorno, Italy killing 140.

- 1991 – A rare tropical storm develops in the South Atlantic Ocean near Angola; the first to be documented by satellites.

- 1998 – The Good Friday Agreement is signed in Northern Ireland.

- 2009 – President of Fiji Ratu Josefa Iloilo announces the abrogation of the constitution and assumes all governance in the country, creating a constitutional crisis.

- 2010 – Polish Air Force Tu-154M crashes near Smolensk, Russia, killing 96 people, including Polish President Lech Kaczyński, his wife, and dozens of other senior officials and dignitaries.

- 2016 – The Paravur temple accident in which a devastating fire caused by the explosion of firecrackers stored for Vishu, kills more than one hundred people out of the thousands gathered for seventh day of Bhadrakali worship.

- 2016 – 2016 Afghanistan earthquake, of 6.6 magnitude, 39 km west-southwest of Ashkasham, shakes up India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Srinagar and Pakistan.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1512 – James V of Scotland

- 1583 – Hugo Grotius, Dutch philosopher and jurist

- 1651 – Ehrenfried Walther von Tschirnhaus, German mathematician, physicist, and physician

- 1755 – Samuel Hahnemann, German-French physician and academic

- 1778 – William Hazlitt, English essayist and critic

- 1794 – Matthew C. Perry, English-Scottish American commander

- 1829 – William Booth, English minister, founded The Salvation Army

- 1847 – Joseph Pulitzer, Hungarian Jewish-American journalist, publisher, and politician, founded Pulitzer, Inc.

- 1868 – George Arliss, English actor and playwright

- 1880 – Frances Perkins, American sociologist, academic, and politician, 4th United States Secretary of Labor

- 1887 – Bernardo Houssay, Argentinian physiologist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1913 – Stefan Heym, German-American soldier and author

- 1929 – Max von Sydow, Swedish-French actor

- 1932 – Omar Sharif, Egyptian actor and screenwriter

- 1951 – David Helvarg, American journalist and activist

- 1952 – Steven Seagal, American actor, producer, and martial artist

- 1957 – Aliko Dangote, Nigerian businessman, founded Dangote Group

- 1987 – Hayley Westenra, New Zealand soprano

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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Mercunova, Yukona, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:Compared to the nation that used the weapon before and Russia? Yes, it's unlikely that they're suddenly lying when it all makes a terrible kind of sense.

Occam's razor holds until a full investigation is done, but by then Assad will have likely already delayed enough to erode the most signifigant markers anyway so w/e.

I mean, it's really not OK either way so I'm not sure where you got that but it's irrelevant to my point beyond "The world collectively decided that kids chocking to death on mustard gas/suffering from a slow and painful death via Sarin was worse than a death by bomb"

I repeat my actual point which you've ignored. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We pay it now in a coalition or we pay it later alone.

And what exactly will happen if Asaad is kept in power? What danger does he pose to the West?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:And what exactly will happen if Asaad is kept in power? What danger does he pose to the West?

he'll align himself with the Russians and let them continue to use his ports as places to refuel and rearm

Nuremgard wrote:And what exactly will happen if Asaad is kept in power? What danger does he pose to the West?

Not really Assad, more "Insurgent groups in general that Assad would rather just push out" since it's terribly easy to push them out but terribly hard to destroy them.

Of course, Assad also presents a two fold danger since he has chemical weapons he uses often and only benefits from the West losing their invective to fight within Syria since the Russians are being kept on a dog's leash by the US's presence there and the associated publicity of the event.

And beyond that we have the biggest danger which is a resurgence of powerful despotism in places like Russia which really needs to have it stamped from them through a unified international coalition taking the "done deal" from them as a direct result of attacking people in Britain and attacking the US's electoral system.

Unfallious wrote:he'll align himself with the Russians and let them continue to use his ports as places to refuel and rearm

So?

Kalaron wrote:Not really Assad, more "Insurgent groups in general that Assad would rather just push out" since it's terribly easy to push them out but terribly hard to destroy them.

Of course, Assad also presents a two fold danger since he has chemical weapons he uses often and only benefits from the West losing their invective to fight within Syria since the Russians are being kept on a dog's leash by the US's presence there and the associated publicity of the event.

And beyond that we have the biggest danger which is a resurgence of powerful despotism in places like Russia which really needs to have it stamped from them through a unified international coalition taking the "done deal" from them as a direct result of attacking people in Britain and attacking the US's electoral system.

So you'd prefer Islamic extremists in charge of Syria then?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:So?

So you'd prefer Islamic extremists in charge of Syria then?

That's a distrubing leap. No, I prefer that we preempt this nonsense spreading to other regions and build a democratic government there over a set number of years without the early pulling out that ruined Iraq.

Getting things organized to set pride flags out for hate crimes against LGBT+ individuals.

Of course, I'm the one organizing everything. At least I don't have to pay for anything, and I'm getting the flags in bulk, so I can save us a bit of money.

Would have preferred to have graffitied all of academic walk. But that would have been "vandalism" and would have brought a "witch hunt" by the university. Ah, but c'est la vie

Axeldonia, Kalaron, Percyton

Kalaron wrote:That's a distrubing leap. No, I prefer that we preempt this nonsense spreading to other regions and build a democratic government there over a set number of years without the early pulling out that ruined Iraq.

Uh huh. And who said it was your God-given right to invade a sovereign nation and change its government?

Axeldonia, Mercunova

When was the last time the embassy listing has been cleared up since Jan/Feb?

Nuremgard wrote:Uh huh. And who said it was your God-given right to invade a sovereign nation and change its government?

And who said it wasn't?

Let me ask you a question Nurem, when these people rebelled originally against the despotic government who beat them and killed their kids during the Arab Spring, did they have less of a right to freedom than you? Do they, intrinsically, deserve worse treatment and a genuine "I don't care" from the west?

Would you like to live in a similarly despotic country led by a man who -without compunctions- drops chemical weapons on your head to prove the point that the West stopped caring a long time ago?

Rights are a man-made convention to explain away common wants based on a cultural lexicon. Just as you praise the "right" of national soverignty, I praise the right to not be murdered for political aims like "Shutting up the rabble".

Kalaron wrote:And who said it wasn't?

Let me ask you a question Nurem, when these people rebelled originally against the despotic government who beat them and killed their kids during the Arab Spring, did they have less of a right to freedom than you? Do they, intrinsically, deserve worse treatment and a genuine "I don't care" from the west?

Would you like to live in a similarly despotic country led by a man who -without compunctions- drops chemical weapons on your head to prove the point that the West stopped caring a long time ago?

Rights are a man-made convention to explain away common wants based on a cultural lexicon. Just as you praise the "right" of national soverignty, I praise the right to not be murdered for political aims like "Shutting up the rabble".

They had every right to overthrow their government and replace it with something else. And no, I wouldn't like to live in a despotic country. But let me ask you a question, Kal. Why are you so selective in your moralising? Why are you not waxing lyrical about how we should invade the despotic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to liberate the poor people there who get stoned, beheaded and viciously treated every single day? Or how about Israel who gunned down Palestinian protesters? Or to get rid of Egypt's dictator?

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:They had every right to overthrow their government and replace it with something else. And no, I wouldn't like to live in a despotic country. But let me ask you a question, Kal. Why are you so selective in your moralising? Why are you not waxing lyrical about how we should invade the despotic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to liberate the poor people there who get stoned, beheaded and viciously treated every single day? Or how about Israel who gunned down Palestinian protesters? Or to get rid of Egypt's dictator?

Because I'm pragmatic and the benefits don't outweigh the loss in the case of Saudi Arabia (which might benefit more from a through purging insofar as the leadership is concerned), Israel is a far too complicated situation to simply invade since their system tries to be impartial and is egged on by constant rhetoric on both sides where a section of the Palestinian public do endorse the genocide of their state in a way similar to the second world war. This is only made worse by their choice to establish colonies inside of Gaza, yes, but suffice to say that the situation can still be solved amicably without the need for armed intervention unlike Syria.

I never studied Egypt's situation either way to answer the last question.

Kalaron wrote:Because I'm pragmatic and the benefits don't outweigh the loss in the case of Saudi Arabi, Israel is a far too complicated situation to simply invade since their system tries to be impartial and is egged on by constant rhetoric on both sides where a section of the Palestinian public do endorse the genocide of their state in a way similar to the second world war.

I never studied Egypt's situation either way to answer the last question.

LOL. So in Syria it's about the principle of not letting dictators murder their own citizens but then in Saudi Arabia's case it's not "pragmatic" enough to intervene. You are so full of sh!t.

Axeldonia, Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:LOL. So in Syria it's about the principle of not letting dictators murder their own citizens but then in Saudi Arabia's case it's not "pragmatic" enough to intervene. You are so full of sh!t.

I mean, I don't moralize situations past their limit, yes. Unsuprisingly, the devastation caused by invading Syria would be on a much different scale to if we suddenly decided that SA had to go, and I don't much care to annihilate their economy alongside our own when other methods would prove better for everyone and would still result in a net loss of cruelty. This answer works for a western aligned country, of course, but it's application to a Russian puppet is pretty suspect.

Sorry you think having shades of action is being full of sh1t though.

Kalaron wrote:I mean, I don't moralize situations past their limit, yes. Unsuprisingly, the devastation caused by invading Syria would be on a much different scale to if we suddenly decided that SA had to go, and I don't much care to annihilate their economy alongside our own when other methods would prove better for everyone and would still result in a net loss of cruelty. This answer works for a western aligned country, of course, but it's application to a Russian puppet is pretty suspect.

Sorry you think having shades of action is being full of sh1t though.

At least now you admit it's shades of action and you just want to do what suits the US's interests. Stop trying to dress up your desire for intervention in Syria as some kind of moral crusade to save them from their awful leader.

Axeldonia, Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:LOL. So in Syria it's about the principle of not letting dictators murder their own citizens but then in Saudi Arabia's case it's not "pragmatic" enough to intervene. You are so full of sh!t.

Just putting my two cents in, it'll be a complete nightmare to try and dismantle the Saudi government: there's more than enough princes within the population to simply establish a government-in-exile should the Kingdom be overthrown, the Saudi population along with most practicing Muslims would be pissed at seeing the government overthrown due to the religious titles the King and the House of Saud hold, particularly the King being the Custodian of the Two Mosques, and the fact that the Saudis already have a line of succession planned out, along with the princes, effectively creating the human equivalent of a hydra - take out the King, and more princes will show up.

Additionally, the situation with Israel is a complex area, particularly with trying to figure in the whole "civil disobedience" thing involving the Palestinians getting shot by Israeli troops, further compounded with the Israel-Palestine conflict, and with Egypt el-Sisi is popular with the Armed Forces since he gave them unchecked power and in contrast to Mubarak, el-Sisi hasn't yet set up a successor like Mubarak potentially attempted, along with the real excuse of "state security" given the activities of the Islamic State in the Sinai.

Chernarus State wrote:Just putting my two cents in, it'll be a complete nightmare to try and dismantle the Saudi government: there's more than enough princes within the population to simply establish a government-in-exile should the Kingdom be overthrown, the Saudi population along with most practicing Muslims would be pissed at seeing the government overthrown due to the religious titles the King and the House of Saud hold, particularly the King being the Custodian of the Two Mosques, and the fact that the Saudis already have a line of succession planned out, along with the princes, effectively creating the human equivalent of a hydra - take out the King, and more princes will show up.

Additionally, the situation with Israel is a complex area, particularly with trying to figure in the whole "civil disobedience" thing involving the Palestinians getting shot by Israeli troops, further compounded with the Israel-Palestine conflict, and with Egypt el-Sisi is popular with the Armed Forces since he gave them unchecked power and in contrast to Mubarak, el-Sisi hasn't yet set up a successor like Mubarak potentially attempted, along with the real excuse of "state security" given the activities of the Islamic State in the Sinai.

Does it matter that many Syrians support the Asaad government? Or don't their opinions matter? Is the West telling them what's good for them? Maybe America should give the Syrians a referendum. "Would you like us to overthrow your secular dictatorship and replace it with an Islamic extremist government who will implement Sharia law and most likely murder you?"

I bet they'd jump at that.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:At least now you admit it's shades of action and you just want to do what suits the US's interests. Stop trying to dress up your desire for intervention in Syria as some kind of moral crusade to save them from their awful leader.

Except that it's a legitimate point in explaining why I want it? If we're moralizing not invading because of national rights then I fully withhold the right to moralize invading to protect them from a cancerous dictatorship that can't be removed in other ways?

I never said I wanted constant war on all dictators as well so that's a shrug.

Kalaron wrote:Except that it's a legitimate point in explaining why I want it? If we're moralizing not invading because of national rights then I fully withhold the right to moralize invading to protect them from a cancerous dictatorship that can't be removed in other ways?

I never said I wanted constant war on all dictators as well so that's a shrug.

Right. Well you do that. I'd rather not go to war with Russia over some sandbox in the Middle East, thank you.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Right. Well you do that. I'd rather not go to war with Russia over some sandbox in the Middle East, thank you.

Certainly, I do wonder where the line will be drawn, though. Is it when Russia threatens the Eastern Europeans or when they use economic power to force Western Europe to release control of complicated international situations to them? Is it when a resurgence of despotism leads to a fall of the quality of the human condition globally or is it when they personally attack Scotland's control on an internal situation?

Russia is dedicated to regaining the ability to control it's own sphere of influence and aims to do it by threatening the Western Powers, Nur. I hope the near assassination of a man in England would show that brightly, but evidently not.

We've come full circle, anyhow. My parting words here are similar to my entering words: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Nuremgard wrote:Does it matter that many Syrians support the Asaad government? Or don't their opinions matter? Is the West telling them what's good for them? Maybe America should give the Syrians a referendum. "Would you like us to overthrow your secular dictatorship and replace it with an Islamic extremist government who will implement Sharia law and most likely murder you?"

I bet they'd jump at that.

By this point, most of our support has been leaning towards Rojava and the Kurds, though with al-Assad, they only support him out of fear - its either him with heavyhanded control or the anarchy and bloodshed that came out of the Islamic State's control of Raqqa. Besides that, I don't remember if we have supported Islamic groups like the Islamic Front back when it was still active - our support leans towards the SDF and the remnants of the Free Syrian Army, like the Army of Glory (as far as I know, AoG isn't a jihadist rebel group), New Syrian Army (which was booted by the Authenticity and Development Front for its ties with the U.S. and was eventually cleaned out when reorganized as the Revolutionary Commando Army), and the remnants of Division 30.

As for a government, I doubt we'd allow open Islamists into an interim administration, but rather a series of backers and hand-picked civilian administrators, along with some members from the Syrian Opposition government still active.

Chernarus State wrote:By this point, most of our support has been leaning towards Rojava and the Kurds, though with al-Assad, they only support him out of fear - its either him with heavyhanded control or the anarchy and bloodshed that came out of the Islamic State's control of Raqqa. Besides that, I don't remember if we have supported Islamic groups like the Islamic Front back when it was still active - our support leans towards the SDF and the remnants of the Free Syrian Army, like the Army of Glory (as far as I know, AoG isn't a jihadist rebel group), New Syrian Army (which was booted by the Authenticity and Development Front for its ties with the U.S. and was eventually cleaned out when reorganized as the Revolutionary Commando Army), and the remnants of Division 30.

As for a government, I doubt we'd allow open Islamists into an interim administration, but rather a series of backers and hand-picked civilian administrators, along with some members from the Syrian Opposition government still active.

I just don't care any more to be honest. I'll care when WW3 gets started over it.

Nuremgard wrote:You are so full of sh!t.

Would like it if you didn't insult the man I intend to marry.

Sulania wrote:Would like it if you didn't insult the man I intend to marry.

I'm sure he'll get over it.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sure he'll get over it.

I'm sure he will. I'm not stating it for him.

Sulania wrote:I'm sure he will. I'm not stating it for him.

Okay then.

Sulania wrote:Would like it if you didn't insult the man I intend to marry.

Nuremgard wrote:I'm sure he'll get over it.

Sulania wrote:I'm sure he will. I'm not stating it for him.

Nuremgard wrote:Okay then.

I really enjoyed the futility of this interaction.

Axeldonia, Mercunova

Unfallious wrote:I really enjoyed the futility of this interaction.

As did I.

Forget left vs right, this is the new debate of the century

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Nuremgard

Axeldonia wrote:Forget left vs right, this is the new debate of the century

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I like the one with the bird.

Axeldonia, Percyton

Here are some facts.

According to a poll, 55 percent of Syrians in Syria support Bashar al-Assad.[1] Around 60 percent of Syrian rebels are Islamic fundamentalists.[2] Two groups of rebels that the CIA and the Pentagon funded have fought against one another.[3] Syrians rebels have used car bombs and rockets to kill civilians in government-controlled areas.[4]

I wonder who the Syrian people support. Will they support a President with popular support who has promised free elections after the end of the Syrian Civil War, or will they support rebels that have indiscriminately killed civilians while fighting against each other while also practicing extremist ideologies that are not too different to the ideology of ISIS?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

[2] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/20/460463173/60-percent-of-syrian-rebels-share-islamic-state-ideology-think-tank-finds

[3] http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html

[4] https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/03/22/syria-rebels-car-bombs-rockets-kill-civilians

Nuremgard, Axeldonia

Gualimole wrote:Here are some facts.

According to a poll, 55 percent of Syrians in Syria support Bashar al-Assad.[1] Around 60 percent of Syrian rebels are Islamic fundamentalists.[2] Two groups of rebels that the CIA and the Pentagon funded have fought against one another.[3] Syrians rebels have used car bombs and rockets to kill civilians in government-controlled areas.[4]

I wonder who the Syrian people support. Will they support a President with popular support who has promised free elections after the end of the Syrian Civil War, or will they support rebels that have indiscriminately killed civilians while fighting against each other while also practicing extremist ideologies that are not too different to the ideology of ISIS?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

[2] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/20/460463173/60-percent-of-syrian-rebels-share-islamic-state-ideology-think-tank-finds

[3] http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html

[4] https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/03/22/syria-rebels-car-bombs-rockets-kill-civilians

This is unrelated as I'd prefer not to get into that debate again. Mind if I ask your opinion on one of my nations?

Hello, everyone! Been busy the past few days. Ryan is undergoing routine maintenance at the Steamworks, so Sir Topham Hatt sent me to do Ryan's usual work on the Harwick Branch Line while Ryan is undergoing maintenance. It's been a very enjoyable experience. The port at Arlesburgh is lovely, the miniature engines at Arlesburgh are fun to be around, and I like working with the other engines of the Harwick Branch Line: It's good to work with Daisy again (though her snootiness does get on my nerves sometimes); and while Ivan (one of the engines we got from Axeldonia a while back) is a bit odd, he's still Really Useful.

I've also gotten to see the new Ooyre Valley Railway, which partially opened between Lower Harwick and Cregwir a little while ago. I've talked with the engines of the railway, and they're very colorful characters: Smudger is the cheeky local/commuter passenger engine who is full of mischief (though from what I've been told, he's not nearly as troublesome as he was on the Mid-Sodor Railway all those years back), Stanley (who was also very troublesome on the MSR) is a quiet and reliable goods engine engine who tries to keep out of trouble, and Jerry (the MSR engine rescued by Russkov Soviet a while back) is the hardworking express engine who tries to keep the other engines (mainly Smudger) in order. There's also Sidney, who runs the branch line to Ballaswein, and Leonara, a little engine from Spanelsko who serves as the railway's main shunter. There's also Francisco and Fabio (twin engines from Spanelsko), but they aren't used much because their branch line to Loey Machan hasn't been built yet. Overall, the Ooyre Valley Railway seems to be running wonderfully, and though there's still lots of work to be done (I already mentioned the branch line to Loey Machan, and the railway also wants to extend the main line around the mountain to Peel Godred), so far, the railway is doing very well! My thanks to all the people and nations that made this little railway possible!

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1806 – Isambard Kingdom Brunel, English engineer, designed the Clifton Suspension Bridge

Duck: Brunel did a lot more than design one suspension bridge; he's without a doubt the greatest engineer in British history, and one of the greatest Britons of all time (second-greatest, according to one BBC poll). In particular, he played a major role in founding the Great Western Railway (which is of course my old railway), and Brunel was instrumental in the development of rail infrastructure, such as Box Tunnel (which, in addition to being a marvel of railway architecture, isn't too far from the childhood of the Reverend W. Awdry; the story goes that as a boy, the young Awdry would hear the banker engines pushing the GWR main line trains up the steep incline, and the young Awdry's imagined conversations between the two engines as they climbed the incline inspired the Railway Series story 'Edward and Gordon'). Though Brunel never dabbled in locomotive design, and his preference for broad gauge over the eventually-victorious standard gauge likely slowed the GWR's growth for decades, he was still instrumental in the development Britain's railways, and for that, all us engines owe him our thanks. Wherever you are, Mr. Bunel, keep upholding the Great Western Way!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbert_Awdry#Biography

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1961 – The Pacific Electric Railway in Los Angeles, once the largest electric railway in the world, ends operations.

Toby: Good riddance, I say!

Percy: Toby! Come on, be reasonable! Just because it's electric doesn't mean it's bad.

Toby: *sigh* Yes, you're right. I guess I let my anger get the best of me. I've told you all before that I've always held a grudge toward electric engines, as people always confuse me for an electric tram and claim all trams are electric (both of which are patently untrue). I'm sorry about how I've acted, and I'll try to do better in the future.

Percy: Glad to hear!

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1998 – The Good Friday Agreement is signed in Northern Ireland.

A good day for peace everywhere. Fun fact: Percyton once offered to hosts the talks that later led to the Good Friday Agreement. Both sides politely declined.

Bigostan wrote:Nice to meet you too!

I joined Black Hawks when they messaged me, but moved here when I figured out the search tool. I wasn’t really aware that you and them don’t like each other.

Deimosan wrote:Oh, I'm new too.

Welcome both of you to the CoFN! I'm Percy, King of Percyton and the #6 green engine on the Island of Sodor. I hope you like it here!

Nuremgard wrote:Yes. I've been talking to a guy from down south and he wants to meet up with me.

Congrats, Nurem! I hope you enjoy it, and I hope this guy makes you very happy!

Crato wrote:-And did you know what i saw?

Hell.

Hello, Crato! How are you?

Russkov Soviet, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Deimosan, Bigostan

Nuremgard wrote:This is unrelated as I'd prefer not to get into that debate again. Mind if I ask your opinion on one of my nations?

Which one of your nations are you referring to?

Gualimole wrote:Which one of your nations are you referring to?

Shazria. The pre-revolution Iran one. Do you think there should be a pledge of allegiance to the monarch in schools? Do you think political dissidents should be executed? And do you think His Majesty should tax religious organisations?

Nuremgard wrote:Shazria. The pre-revolution Iran one. Do you think there should be a pledge of allegiance to the monarch in schools? Do you think political dissidents should be executed? And do you think His Majesty should tax religious organisations?

It really depends on the nation's lore and how you intend to differentiate it from pre-revolution Iran. You should go further into those basic concepts before considering these more minor things.

Percyton

Gualimole wrote:It really depends on the nation's lore and how you intend to differentiate it from pre-revolution Iran. You should go further into those basic concepts before considering these more minor things.

I want him to be an enlightened autocrat.

Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:I want him to be an enlightened autocrat.

Who is this person that is an enlightened autocrat? What does he think an enlightened autocrat is? What would it entail?

Percyton

Gualimole wrote:Who is this person that is an enlightened autocrat? What does he think an enlightened autocrat is? What would it entail?

He has been implementing socially liberal reforms such as emancipating women, bringing in gay marriage, legalising drugs, increasing funding for public services, clamping down on corruption, neutering the political power of the Islamic clergy.

Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:He has been implementing socially liberal reforms such as emancipating women, bringing in gay marriage, legalising drugs, increasing funding for public services, clamping down on corruption, neutering the political power of the Islamic clergy.

Okay, I think that's enough information for me to finally bring forth some opinions. For one, there should be a pledge of allegiance to the monarch in schools. He's an enlightened autocrat, but he's an autocrat nonetheless and he needs to maintain a loyal population. Having a pledge of allegiance would make sense on this front and it wouldn't be all that draconian. In fact, I remember having to recite such a pledge when I used to live in Jordan, which is essentially a semi-constitutional monarchy under what many would consider being an enlightened autocrat.

This autocrat should not tax religious organizations and religion should still play some ceremonial part in his government, and I'll leave the part about political dissidents up to you because there are reasons to have them be free and to have them be executed in Shazria under an enlightened autocrat.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:Okay, I think that's enough information for me to finally bring forth some opinions. For one, there should be a pledge of allegiance to the monarch in schools. He's an enlightened autocrat, but he's an autocrat nonetheless and he needs to maintain a loyal population. Having a pledge of allegiance would make sense on this front and it wouldn't be all that draconian. In fact, I remember having to recite such a pledge when I used to live in Jordan, which is essentially a semi-constitutional monarchy under what many would consider being an enlightened autocrat.

This autocrat should not tax religious organizations and religion should still play some ceremonial part in his government, and I'll leave the part about political dissidents up to you because there are reasons to have them be free and to have them be executed in Shazria under an enlightened autocrat.

Initially I had planned for him to allow political expression with the exception of elections. But I think that would be too liberal and would encourage his subjects to desire democracy. I may banish dissidents but execute ones who try to violently overthrow the government. There will be a state-owned press and I will probably outlaw protests.

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:Initially I had planned for him to allow political expression with the exception of elections. But I think that would be too liberal and would encourage his subjects to desire democracy. I may banish dissidents but execute ones who try to violently overthrow the government. There will be a state-owned press and I will probably outlaw protests.

Anything else?

Gualimole wrote:Anything else?

Should he stick to having the economy privatised or should he nationalise some industries?

Nuremgard wrote:Should he stick to having the economy privatised or should he nationalise some industries?

He should nationalize some industries relating to education, healthcare, and resource extraction, but leave most of the economy under private ownership.

Gualimole wrote:He should nationalize some industries relating to education, healthcare, and resource extraction, but leave most of the economy under private ownership.

Should he abolish noble titles?

Nuremgard wrote:Should he abolish noble titles?

Yas

Sulania wrote:Yas

Any particular reason why?

Nuremgard wrote:Any particular reason why?

Titles are gay.

Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Titles are gay.

True.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Should he abolish noble titles?

No, there's really no reason for a monarch to do that.

Nuremgard

Sulania wrote:Titles are gay.

But if all titles are gay, then no titles are gay.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Gualimole wrote:No, there's really no reason for a monarch to do that.

Thanks for your input.

Penguania And Antarctica, Gualimole

Percyton wrote:

Glad to see things are rolling along on Sodor.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Gualimole wrote:But if all titles are gay, then no titles are gay.

One more thing: should the Shah implement compulsory military service?

Sulania wrote:Titles are gay.

So are you. Literally. So shouldn't you like titles?

jk

Penguania And Antarctica

Russkov Soviet wrote:Glad to see things are rolling along on Sodor.

Indeed they are, I'm happy to report.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:One more thing: should the Shah implement compulsory military service?

No, that would probably be too illiberal of him considering his liberal reforms.

Nuremgard

Ah jeez... I feel so ashamed. I haven't been keeping up with the news lately. In response to the Humboldt Tragedy, all hockey is cancelled for the remainder of the season. Flags across the Union will be at half-staff until the 14th. I really need to keep my eyes on the news.....

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Russkov Soviet wrote:Ah jeez... I feel so ashamed. I haven't been keeping up with the news lately. In response to the Humboldt Tragedy, all hockey is cancelled for the remainder of the season. Flags across the Union will be at half-staff until the 14th. I really need to keep my eyes on the news.....

That reminds me, I heard about the pipe bomb attack in Pegasus City. Thomas wanted me to tell you that our condolences go out to the victims of this attack, and that Percyton is more than willing to assist in investigating this attack and who did it (if you need it, of course).

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia

Percyton wrote:That reminds me, I heard about the pipe bomb attack in Pegasus City. Thomas wanted me to tell you that our condolences go out to the victims of this attack, and that Percyton is more than willing to assist in investigating this attack and who did it (if you need it, of course).

I thank you for the condolences and offer of assistance. We actually identified the party responsible and are planning a military response as we speak. I will post more details come tomorrow afternoon.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Russkov Soviet wrote:In response to the Humboldt Tragedy, all hockey is cancelled for the remainder of the season.

I think those players wouldn't want all hockey to be cancelled. That sport is important to them, and after all, it isn't a lack of safety in the game of hockey itself that caused the deaths of the team.

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Mercunova wrote:I think those players wouldn't want all hockey to be cancelled. That sport is important to them, and after all, it isn't a lack of safety in the game of hockey itself that caused the deaths of the team.

Speaking as a hockey fan here

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Gualimole wrote:But if all titles are gay, then no titles are gay.

Titles are gay, but a lack of titles is not gay.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Pollsters across the nation showed there was popular support for displaying provincial flags outside government buildings.

Um, we don't have "provinces." We have proud states, thank you very much.

Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Pollsters across the nation showed there was popular support for displaying provincial flags outside government buildings.

Um, we don't have "provinces." We have proud states, thank you very much.

States are for squares. We have Commonwealths.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:States are for squares. We have Commonwealths.

There is only one Commonwealth in Nuremgard. One Commonwealth to rule them all.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:States are for squares. We have Commonwealths.

We have a Federation of Republics.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:We have a Federation of Republics.

We have a Senate and People.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:We have a Federation of Republics.

Central fed constituted of two smol republics that are in theory seperate.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Have a great day everyone. I may release a few statements today but since I can't confirm that I have not included it on my schedule.

Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFXXeoC4k0

The Chancellor's Public Schedule [I]11 April 2018

(All times Eastern. Subject to change.)

16:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Minister of Internal Affairs

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Vista Major

There was a wave of pro-democracy protests in the region, including in Shazria. But instead of violently quelling the protests, His Majesty instituted public works to lower unemployment and improve public services. Pro-democracy regime change has successfully been avoided.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Nuremgard wrote:Pollsters across the nation showed there was popular support for displaying provincial flags outside government buildings.

Um, we don't have "provinces." We have proud states, thank you very much.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:States are for squares. We have Commonwealths.

Nuremgard wrote:There is only one Commonwealth in Nuremgard. One Commonwealth to rule them all.

Sulania wrote:We have a Federation of Republics.

Mercunova wrote:We have a Senate and People.

i unf

Alruniea, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:i unf

Supposed to be republics, but it's all under the Party

Lavan Tiri

Mercunova wrote:I think those players wouldn't want all hockey to be cancelled. That sport is important to them, and after all, it isn't a lack of safety in the game of hockey itself that caused the deaths of the team.

Your right. Of course, it would help if I didn't rush my responses either. I think I'll do the following instead: "All Professional and College hockey will be suspended for the last two games of the regular season, as tribute efforts and rink modification will be underway. Playoffs will continue as intended, but the Wild Card will be extended. Youth hockey will finish the Playoffs as intended, but the Championship Series will be extended by two games dedicated to the Broncos. Flags will be at half-mast until the 14th. A memorial will be built in eastern Prykova, home of the Prykova Mustangs." There we go... I meant for something like this, but I got panicked and typed without proofreading. My English teacher would be mad. xP

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Mercunova

Where rude and senseless powers prevail

There form and shape wilt ever fail;

To free themselves when nations strive,

The common weal can never thrive.

Russkov Soviet, Lavan Tiri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-bU0XqvHI

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri

Mercunova wrote:We have a Senate and People.

We have 7 semi-autonomous provinces under one United Kingdom.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-bU0XqvHI

https://youtu.be/VKj7FLg3WVA

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Au Minbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzulG53sYyE

A very nice song. I love it. :D

#VermontIsBest

Lavan Tiri, Au Minbo

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/VKj7FLg3WVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfNGNJBs9E

Lavan Tiri

[spoiler=Today is April 11 and today are:]

Today is April 11 and today are:

- International Louie Louie Day

- Juan Santamaría Day (Costa Rica)

- National Barber Shop Quartet Day (United States)

- National Bookmobile Day (United States)

- National Cheese Fondue Day (United States)

- National Eight Track Tape Day (United States)

- National Pet Day (United States)

- National Submarine Day (United States)

- World Parkinson's Day

- Yom HaShoah (Judaism)

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 0491 – Flavius Anastasius becomes Byzantine emperor, with the name of Anastasius I.

- 1079 – Bishop Stanislaus of Kraków is executed by order of Bolesław II of Poland.

- 1241 – Batu Khan defeats Béla IV of Hungary at the Battle of Mohi.

- 1512 – War of the League of Cambrai: French forces led by Gaston de Foix win the Battle of Ravenna.

- 1544 – French forces defeat a Spanish army at the Battle of Ceresole.

- 1689 – William III and Mary II are crowned as joint sovereigns of Great Britain.

- 1713 – War of the Spanish Succession (Queen Anne's War): Treaty of Utrecht.

- 1727 – Premiere of Johann Sebastian Bach's St Matthew Passion BWV 244b at the St. Thomas Church, Leipzig

- 1809 – Battle of the Basque Roads Naval battle fought between France and the United Kingdom

- 1814 – The Treaty of Fontainebleau ends the War of the Sixth Coalition against Napoleon Bonaparte, and forces him to abdicate unconditionally for the first time.

- 1856 – Battle of Rivas: Juan Santamaría burns down the hostel where William Walker's filibusters are holed up.

- 1868 – Former Shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu surrenders Edo Castle to Imperial forces, marking the end of the Tokugawa shogunate.

- 1876 – The Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks is organized.

- 1881 – Spelman College is founded in Atlanta, Georgia as the Atlanta Baptist Female Seminary, an institute of higher education for African-American women.

- 1888 – The Concertgebouw in Amsterdam is inaugurated.

- 1908 – SMS Blücher, the last armored cruiser to be built by the Imperial German Navy, launches.

- 1909 – The city of Tel Aviv is founded.

- 1913 – The Nevill Ground's pavilion is destroyed in a suffragette arson attack becoming the only cricket ground to be attacked by suffragettes.

- 1921 – Emir Abdullah establishes the first centralised government in the newly created British protectorate of Transjordan.

- 1945 – World War II: American forces liberate the Buchenwald concentration camp.

- 1951 – Korean War: President Harry Truman relieves General of the Army Douglas MacArthur of overall command in Korea.

- 1951 – The Stone of Scone, the stone upon which Scottish monarchs were traditionally crowned, is found on the site of the altar of Arbroath Abbey. It had been taken by Scottish nationalist students from its place in Westminster Abbey.

- 1952 – The Battle of Nanri Island takes place.

- 1955 – The Air India Kashmir Princess is bombed and crashes in a failed assassination attempt on Zhou Enlai by the Kuomintang.

- 1957 – United Kingdom agrees to Singaporean self-rule.

- 1961 – The trial of Adolf Eichmann begins in Jerusalem.

- 1963 – Pope John XXIII issues Pacem in terris, the first encyclical addressed to all instead of to Catholics alone.

- 1965 – The Palm Sunday tornado outbreak of 1965: Fifty-one tornadoes hit in six Midwestern states, killing 256 people.

- 1968 – President Lyndon B. Johnson signs the Civil Rights Act of 1968, prohibiting discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of housing.

- 1970 – Apollo 13 is launched.

- 1976 – The Apple I is created.

- 1977 – London Transport's Silver Jubilee AEC Routemaster buses are launched.

- 1979 – Ugandan dictator Idi Amin is deposed.

- 1981 – A massive riot in Brixton, south London results in almost 300 police injuries and 65 serious civilian injuries.

- 1986 – FBI Miami Shootout: A gun battle in broad daylight in Dade County, Florida between two bank/armored car robbers and pursuing FBI agents. During the firefight, FBI agents Jerry L. Dove and Benjamin P. Grogan were killed, while five other agents were wounded. As a result, the popular .40 S&W cartridge was developed.

- 1987 – The London Agreement is secretly signed between Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister Shimon Peres and King Hussein of Jordan.

- 1990 – Customs officers in Middlesbrough, England, say they have seized what they believe to be the barrel of a massive gun on a ship bound for Iraq.

- 1993 – Four hundred fifty prisoners rioted at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville, Ohio, and continued to do so for ten days, citing grievances related to prison conditions, as well as the forced vaccination of Nation of Islam prisoners (for tuberculosis) against their religious beliefs.

- 2001 – The detained crew of a United States EP-3E aircraft that landed in Hainan, China after a collision with a J-8 fighter, is released.

- 2002 – The Ghriba synagogue bombing by al-Qaeda kills 21 in Tunisia.

- 2002 – Over two hundred thousand people march in Caracas towards the Presidential palace to demand the resignation of president Hugo Chávez. Nineteen protesters are killed.

- 2004 – Ingoldmells bus crash: A double-decker bus collides with pedestrians in Ingoldmells, Lincolnshire in the United Kingdom. Five people are killed and six injured.

- 2006 – Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announces Iran's claim to have successfully enriched uranium.

- 2007 – Algiers bombings: Two bombings in Algiers kill 33 people and wound a further 222 others.

- 2011 – An explosion in the Minsk Metro, Belarus kills 15 people and injures 204 others.

- 2011 – United Nations Security Council Resolution 1976 relating to Somalia is adopted.

- 2012 – A pair of great earthquakes occur in the Wharton Basin west of Sumatra in Indonesia. The maximum Mercalli intensity of this strike-slip doublet earthquake was VII (Very strong). Ten were killed, twelve were injured, and a non-destructive tsunami was observed on the island of Nias.

- 2018 – An Ilyushin Il-76 which was owned and operated by the Algerian Air Force crashes near Boufarik, Algeria, killing 257.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1722 – Christopher Smart, English actor, playwright, and poet

- 1755 – James Parkinson, English surgeon, geologist, and paleontologist

- 1825 – Ferdinand Lassalle, German philosopher and jurist

- 1893 – Dean Acheson, American lawyer and politician, 51st United States Secretary of State

- 1913 – Oleg Cassini, French-American fashion designer

- 1949 – Bernd Eichinger, German director and producer

- 1953 – Andrew Wiles, English mathematician and academic

- 1960 – Jeremy Clarkson, English journalist and television presenter

- 1966 – Lisa Stansfield, English singer-songwriter and actress

- 1987 – Joss Stone, English singer-songwriter, and actress

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Quote of the day

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

- Ellen Glasgow (American Novelist, 1874-1945) -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova, The British Islands Confederacy

Unfallious wrote:i unf

Poor thing

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

I wanted to know what you guys think of Speaker Ryan retiring after he finishes his term?

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

I'm pretty sure this won't end pretty well, but I spent forty minutes writing this so here goes anyhow

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/57/medieval-rp-ic?page=7&scrollTo=810

Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- International Louie Louie Day

https://youtu.be/mUCcULhyN1I

Technically not the same song as the holiday, but who really cares?

Solla Ultima wrote:I wanted to know what you guys think of Speaker Ryan retiring after he finishes his term?

I'm not too surprised: there had been speculation and stories on Ryan stepping down for at least a few months. Ryan didn't want the job in the first place, he didn't enjoy dealing with Trump, Ryan's Congress has passed tax cuts, and Ryan's dream of entitlement overhaul seems unlikely to happen. Ryan probably figured he accomplished as much as he realistically could, and with how exhausting being Speaker is in this political climate, Ryan just had enough. He'll probably get a comfy job in the private sector or at a think-tank or something, and depending on what kind of situation Trump is in, Ryan might jump back into politics in 2020.

Lavan Tiri, Solla Ultima

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Au Minbo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzulG53sYyE

A very nice song. I love it. :D

#VermontIsBest

Vermont is best :)

And yeah, its a nice song. Personally I prefer the previous state song but this one is good as well.

Solla Ultima wrote:I wanted to know what you guys think of Speaker Ryan retiring after he finishes his term?

I cheered when I heard

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica, Solla Ultima

Au Minbo wrote:Vermont is best :)

And yeah, its a nice song. Personally I prefer the previous state song but this one is good as well.I cheered when I heard

As did I

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Solla Ultima wrote:I wanted to know what you guys think of Speaker Ryan retiring after he finishes his term?

He'll be replaced by another irritating unconstitutional shill. Either way the midterms go.

The last decent American speaker was Sam Rayburn

Lavan Tiri, Au Minbo, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Au Minbo wrote:Vermont is best :)

vermont is trash :p

not my fourteenth star

Lavan Tiri

Kalaron wrote:Central fed constituted of two smol republics that are in theory seperate.

I’m late but I got Orders! and I’m Imperial too!

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Fvck you all <3

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova

Lavan Tiri wrote:Fvck you all <3

Good to see you too, Lavan! How are you?

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Good to see you too, Lavan! How are you?

Hey Jazzy. I'm, ah. . .frustrated with NS currently. The WA is ridiculous.

How's life, my dude?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Lavan Tiri wrote:Hey Jazzy. I'm, ah. . .frustrated with NS currently. The WA is ridiculous.

How's life, my dude?

What's going on with the WA, if you don't mind me asking?

And I'm doing good. Been busy with schoolwork this past week, but otherwise good.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:What's going on with the WA, if you don't mind me asking?

And I'm doing good. Been busy with schoolwork this past week, but otherwise good.

Some deluded arse is trying to liberate regions that have distant ties to "fascist" regions, for. . .reasons? I'm confused by it myself.

Oof. School going well?

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Lavan Tiri wrote:Some deluded arse is trying to liberate regions that have distant ties to "fascist" regions, for. . .reasons? I'm confused by it myself.

Oof. School going well?

Ah. I see.

And yeah, school is going well. It's not particularly hard work, just a lot of work, and I have a bunch of assignments and projects to juggle at once.

Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

I have once again updated my political parties factbook. Check it out: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alruniea/detail=factbook/id=372707

Ludania, Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Good Day everyone!

Jaslandia, Lavan Tiri, Penguania And Antarctica

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