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Folks, ill be going on my R&R from Iraq Monday morning for 30 days. I wont be very active during that time so best wishes and talk soon :)

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Again when does a PMC ever give a sh!t about the rules of war or even being humane. It's why people don't like them but use them because of plausible deniability and effectiveness.

No one uses mercenary groups anymore, except maybe the Pirates in PK. We all have our own militaries more than capable of fighting on their own without human rights violations. It may be better, from a business perspective, to start being humane as it may increase business from nations who care about that stuff.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Audiastan wrote:Folks, ill be going on my R&R from Iraq Monday morning for 30 days. I wont be very active during that time so best wishes and talk soon :)

Stay safe and keep smiling. =)

Jaslandia, Audiastan, Andromitus, Yukona, Percyton

Baxten wrote:No one uses mercenary groups anymore, except maybe the Pirates in PK. We all have our own militaries more than capable of fighting on their own without human rights violations. It may be better, from a business perspective, to start being humane as it may increase business from nations who care about that stuff.

Yes but when you need a job done off the books or have soldiers in a foreign country getting shredded by their inhuman weapons might as well level the playing field.

Russian Fedration

Good morning!

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Yes but when you need a job done off the books or have soldiers in a foreign country getting shredded by their inhuman weapons might as well level the playing field.

Here's the other thing, and this is kinda what we mentioned when you first had the idea: Most armies in the CoFN could easily beat back a mercenary group, especially by themselves. I'm almost certain people won't hire you for military operations. You'd more likely be employed for assassinations, terrorist attacks, and things like that, which would make you a great company to be off the books for. However, if that's the case, I wouldn't even bother investing in things like aircraft carriers and fighter jets, as that isn't gonna help you in business.

As much as I hate it, everyone's military is just really good, and as such they don't really need assistance in conventional or even unconventional warfare. However, they will need help in assassinations, terrorism, etc. If you got a smaller landmass and made that your specialty, I think you could be extremely successful.

Baxten wrote:Here's the other thing, and this is kinda what we mentioned when you first had the idea: Most armies in the CoFN could easily beat back a mercenary group, especially by themselves. I'm almost certain people won't hire you for military operations. You'd more likely be employed for assassinations, terrorist attacks, and things like that, which would make you a great company to be off the books for. However, if that's the case, I wouldn't even bother investing in things like aircraft carriers and fighter jets, as that isn't gonna help you in business.

As much as I hate it, everyone's military is just really good, and as such they don't really need assistance in conventional or even unconventional warfare. However, they will need help in assassinations, terrorism, etc. If you got a smaller landmass and made that your specialty, I think you could be extremely successful.

You also seem to forget that we only hire people with combat experience or have had special operations or SWAT training. The exception being where we are as we took over all of southern India and brought everyone into the corporation.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:You also seem to forget that we only hire people with combat experience or have had special operations or SWAT training. The exception being where we are as we took over all of southern India and brought everyone into the corporation.

That's all mercenary groups/most all armies in the CoFN. And the reason I would advise against having S. India is mainly because 1. Many enemies in the area that'd be more than happy to invade and 2. the upkeep of that area would be beyond ridiculous, especially if you only employ veterans.

Baxten wrote:That's all mercenary groups/most all armies in the CoFN. And the reason I would advise against having S. India is mainly because 1. Many enemies in the area that'd be more than happy to invade and 2. the upkeep of that area would be beyond ridiculous, especially if you only employ veterans.

Guess I could move to Japan.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Guess I could move to Japan.

With a population of that many, I wouldn't advise it. I more mean with a smaller population due to the fact that your organization isn't dependent on a majority of it's people to serve. That way, in the case of a revolution, you wouldn't get roflstomped by someone. I'd suggest finding a place with small population (reason mentioned above), on the coast of some sort (so you could invest in boats rather than expensive planes), and a place undesirable by many, like in Africa (so people won't revolt to take your land, because people can do that)

Jaslandia, Modern Tech Helghan

Baxten wrote:With a population of that many, I wouldn't advise it. I more mean with a smaller population due to the fact that your organization isn't dependent on a majority of it's people to serve. That way, in the case of a revolution, you wouldn't get roflstomped by someone. I'd suggest finding a place with small population (reason mentioned above), on the coast of some sort (so you could invest in boats rather than expensive planes), and a place undesirable by many, like in Africa (so people won't revolt to take your land, because people can do that)

The issue is if we get employed by a land locked nation IE Russ we need the aircraft to get there.

Most places that are suitable have been taken but at the same time if no one has Egypt I would love to have that since its between two of the most populated places in the world and has a coast that goes to a sea then an ocean.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:The issue is if we get employed by a land locked nation IE Russ we need the aircraft to get there.

Most places that are suitable have been taken but at the same time if no one has Egypt I would love to have that since its between two of the most populated places in the world and has a coast that goes to a sea then an ocean.

Sorry bro. No can do. Egypt is all taken even the part that is not mine, I have pre-existing dibs on. I would suggest if you can snag it, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus, or Malta.

Yukona

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:The issue is if we get employed by a land locked nation IE Russ we need the aircraft to get there.

Most places that are suitable have been taken but at the same time if no one has Egypt I would love to have that since its between two of the most populated places in the world and has a coast that goes to a sea then an ocean.

Good point. Perhaps invest in transport planes and helicopters. Anyways, Egypt's been claimed. The whole Mediterranean coast has been claimed. I was thinking you could take Liberia or even a place in the Caribbean. I'd find a place central in the world, so refueling won't be as big of a problem depending on where you go.

Jaslandia

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Tserra wrote:Sorry bro. No can do. Egypt is all taken even the part that is not mine, I have pre-existing dibs on. I would suggest if you can snag it, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus, or Malta.

All those are taken. However, I would be willing to give you Cyprus if you don't want those other options I suggested.

Jaslandia

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Tserra wrote:Sorry bro. No can do. Egypt is all taken even the part that is not mine, I have pre-existing dibs on. I would suggest if you can snag it, Crete, Rhodes, Cyprus, or Malta.

Actually having Malta as a PMC bade would be pretty cool.

Jaslandia, Tserra

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The Vidnoye wrote:Actually having Malta as a PMC bade would be pretty cool.

Right XD

Cyprus and Malta would be badass

The Vidnoye wrote:Actually having Malta as a PMC bade would be pretty cool.

Well, you'd have to ask Lat and, from previous exchanges with him, he's not too keen on giving land.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Right XD

Cyprus and Malta would be badass

Well Cyprus is totally available

Baxten wrote:Well, you'd have to ask Lat and, from previous exchanges with him, he's not too keen on giving land.

Could easily share it in return for defending the people he has there.

Baxten wrote:Well Cyprus is totally available

Let's go Cyprus

*makes note to somehow manage to get ahold of Malta in the future by feat of arms if necessary*

Jaslandia

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Could easily share it in return for defending the people he has there.

I think your best bet is Cyprus dude. Lat may give you Malta if you ask, but Cyprus is ready now, no one has dibs on it...etc.

Jaslandia

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Also......

I smell a Fantrum

Ooooooooh boy

Jaslandia, Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:M60s? That's just a T-62 equlivant

I need something for this century lol

However I will keep those in mind as they are better than the T-55

Not even! The late model M60s were so versatile and upgraded that they served until the mid 1990's and the marine corps still had them in storage! It's a great medium tank to supplement any armored force.

Russian Fedration, Modern Tech Helghan

Fantrum wrote:Ooooooooh boy

What's up!!!

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Could easily share it in return for defending the people he has there.

I doubt it, to be honest. However, your request to Cyprus has been granted.

Fantrum wrote:Not even! The late model M60s were so versatile and upgraded that they served until the mid 1990's and the marine corps still had them in storage! It's a great medium tank to supplement any armored force.

Fantrum's right. They were used a couple times in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to.

Russian Fedration

Baxten wrote:I doubt it, to be honest. However, your request to Cyprus has been granted.

Sweet!

So keep in mind I'm a dual citizen, Russia-USA.

I needed to renew both passports seeing as I am doing a lot of traveling.

In the Russian Consulate, I got there, have everything arranged and was on my way within a few hours.

Now Im here in line with a billion foreigners ahead of me, the wait even to get to the passport stand is at least 3 hours. The Soviets could get food faster...

Russian Fedration, Yukona, Modern Tech Helghan

The Vidnoye wrote:So keep in mind I'm a dual citizen, Russia-USA.

I needed to renew both passports seeing as I am doing a lot of traveling.

In the Russian Consulate, I got there, have everything arranged and was on my way within a few hours.

Now Im here in line with a billion foreigners ahead of me, the wait even to get to the passport stand is at least 3 hours. The Soviets could get food faster...

When they could...........

Jaslandia, The Vidnoye, Yukona

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Again when does a PMC ever give a sh!t about the rules of war or even being humane. It's why people don't like them but use them because of plausible deniability and effectiveness.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Conduct_for_Private_Security_Service_Providers

Pretty much every time they can actually answer for their actions?

Which they very much can?

The Iraq occupation should show just how far you need to bend over backwards to actually have any of them operating, hell, we had to give them literal exception from all Iraqi laws and they still managed to bungle being at roadblocks, and massacred people pretty much every time a bullet went off.

TBH, it one hundred percent isn't -for countries- because of effectiveness, by the way, It's because it's cheaper than a large standing Army and more quickly drawn together without a long training period.

For corperations, admittedly, it can be that they heard "soandso" was an effective company, but effective just means they look scary and didn't get stone-cold drunk on the job.

Jaslandia, Yukona, Modern Tech Helghan

*looks around at all the palm trees* *gets hit in the head by a coconut* OW!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Conduct_for_Private_Security_Service_Providers

Pretty much every time they can actually answer for their actions?

Which they very much can?

The Iraq occupation should show just how far you need to bend over backwards to actually have any of them operating, hell, we had to give them literal exception from all Iraqi laws and they still managed to bungle being at roadblocks, and massacred people pretty much every time a bullet went off.

TBH, it one hundred percent isn't -for countries- because of effectiveness, by the way, It's because it's cheaper than a large standing Army and more quickly drawn together without a long training period.

For corperations, admittedly, it can be that they heard "soandso" was an effective company, but effective just means they look scary and didn't get stone-cold drunk on the job.

Hehe blackwater

Also I doubt we have an ICoC here. Seeing as how I'm the only PMC available.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Also I doubt we have an ICoC here. Seeing as how I'm the only PMC available.

ICoC?

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Hehe blackwater

And Aegis, CRG and DynCorp.

Of course, they all just screwed up and acted completely inhuman by accident, that seems to be the main selling point for yours.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Yes but when you need a job done off the books or have soldiers in a foreign country getting shredded by their inhuman weapons might as well level the playing field.

Right, so an international coalition forms against both of you?

Because that's not a terrible idea :P

Jaslandia

Baxten wrote:ICoC?

Basically RL the code of conduct for PMC's

Kalaron wrote:And Aegis, CRG and DynCorp.

Of course, they all just screwed up and acted completely inhuman by accident, that seems to be the main selling point for yours.

Right, so an international coalition forms against both of you?

Because that's not a terrible idea :P

You forget about my personal favorite Triple Canopy :-p

Baxten wrote:ICoC?

International code of conduct, basically.

It's what was taken up almost all mercenaries back 2013, and it will hopefully serve to correct most of their faults.

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Also I doubt we have an ICoC here. Seeing as how I'm the only PMC available.

You asked "Since when...", my dude, I just gave you some sauce.

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Modern Tech Helghan

Confederacy Of Free Nations wrote:That is actually a very good question. We should have a vote.

1. Which nation(s) are the scariest?

2. Which nation(s) are the most dangerous?

3. Which nation(s) are the friendliest?

4. Which nation(s) are the most peaceful?

Which nation(s) are the most (insert descriptor here)?

1. At the moment, Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, because chemical weapons.

2. Tough one, but I might go with Tserra. While his nation and mine have a special relationship, toward other nations, I know Tse has quite a militaristic and conqueror streak. If I recall correctly, Tserra's whole society is extremely militaristic and Spartan-like, so anyone in Tserra's path should start praying for mercy now (which they might get occasionally, since OOC Tse is a priest). Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, while frightening due to the chance of them using chemical weapons, don't seem to have the intentions to use those weapons for the time being, so I wouldn't consider them as dangerous as Tse.

3. Percyton, of course.

4. Tie between Penguania and Antarctica and Percyton, though with Percyton's coup a month back, I think Penguania might barely edge out ahead. All the O-HOPE signatories could also qualify, since neutrality and peace is basically the whole point of that alliance.

Audiastan wrote:Folks, ill be going on my R&R from Iraq Monday morning for 30 days. I wont be very active during that time so best wishes and talk soon :)

Alright. Stay safe, and we hope to see you soon!

The Vidnoye wrote:Good morning!

Good morning, Vid!

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:*looks around at all the palm trees* *gets hit in the head by a coconut* OW!!!!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/pwJmVpp8fng

Russian Fedration, Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton, Modern Tech Helghan

Jaslandia wrote:1. At the moment, Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, because chemical weapons.

2. Tough one, but I might go with Tserra. While his nation and mine have a special relationship, toward other nations, I know Tse has quite a militaristic and conqueror streak. If I recall correctly, Tserra's whole society is extremely militaristic and Spartan-like, so anyone in Tserra's path should start praying for mercy now (which they might get occasionally, since OOC Tse is a priest). Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, while frightening due to the chance of them using chemical weapons, don't seem to have the intentions to use those weapons for the time being, so I wouldn't consider them as dangerous as Tse.

3. Percyton, of course.

4. Tie between Penguania and Antarctica and Percyton, though with Percyton's coup a month back, I think Penguania might barely edge out ahead. All the O-HOPE signatories could also qualify, since neutrality and peace is basically the whole point of that alliance.

You have no idea how honored I am that you put me down for number 2. Like legit. I am squealing with joy right now.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Tserra wrote:You have no idea how honored I am that you put me down for number 2. Like legit. I am squealing with joy right now.

I'm glad you appreciate it. I was worried you'd take offense and disagree, but thankfully that's not the case.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Tserra wrote:You have no idea how honored I am that you put me down for number 2. Like legit. I am squealing with joy right now.

You do realize that we have unconventional weapons to right....... All we need is a pretty good check to use them.

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:I'm glad you appreciate it. I was worried you'd take offense and disagree, but thankfully that's not the case.

Why would I disagree? While I do not have such an inflated opinion of myself as to assign myself one of those spots, I can certainly see your reasoning behind it. The information you stated is true. While it is technically possible for a Tserran to be a baker, or a poet, or a lawyer...etc., it would be very difficult to distinguish who is and who is not a Tserran civilian.

Tserran's do not necessarily want war with anyone. We do not relish in taking lives, or spilling blood. What we live for is honor. The honor in victory. The honor in defeat. The honor in besting a worthy foe on the field of battle. The honor in a good death. Those are the most readily seen examples of Tserran honor, but anything can be done with honor. There is honor in baking the perfect cake. Or writing a beautiful piece of music. Or making a colorful vase. You get the picture.

However more often than not, we seek honor in martial traditions, it would be fair to say, that there is not a Tserran state, only the Tserran military.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:I'm glad you appreciate it. I was worried you'd take offense and disagree, but thankfully that's not the case.

Most peaceful and friendliest? Nuremgard, duh. As for most aggressive? Has to be Tangshan. Yes, I know both those nations are mine but I'm a conceited dick.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Most peaceful and friendliest? Nuremgard, duh. As for most aggressive? Has to be Tangshan. Yes, I know both those nations are mine but I'm a conceited dick.

Scratch that. Tangshan is the most dangerous.

Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:You do realize that we have unconventional weapons to right....... All we need is a pretty good check to use them.

Firstly, I do not understand what you mean by unconventional. Are you referring to Chemical, Biological, or Radioactive weaponry?

Secondly, what does this have to do with Tserra?

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Why would I disagree? While I do not have such an inflated opinion of myself as to assign myself one of those spots, I can certainly see your reasoning behind it. The information you stated is true. While it is technically possible for a Tserran to be a baker, or a poet, or a lawyer...etc., it would be very difficult to distinguish who is and who is not a Tserran civilian.

Tserran's do not necessarily want war with anyone. We do not relish in taking lives, or spilling blood. What we live for is honor. The honor in victory. The honor in defeat. The honor in besting a worthy foe on the field of battle. The honor in a good death. Those are the most readily seen examples of Tserran honor, but anything can be done with honor. There is honor in baking the perfect cake. Or writing a beautiful piece of music. Or making a colorful vase. You get the picture.

However more often than not, we seek honor in martial traditions, it would be fair to say, that there is not a Tserran state, only the Tserran military.

Then there's me.

We don't fight for honor we fight for money. Money drives the world economy and we are here to make sure that money is spent wisely and because we just like to fight. As we tend to get paid by multiple nations to fight their enemies we are always fighting. A thousand soldiers here a few thousand soldiers there. It doesn't matter as long as we get paid. That saying if you don't pay us you'll be lucky if your troops along side us don't get blasted by ours. We fight for the highest bidder no more no less.

Example: We have a defense deal with Russ, we guard his oil and train his military and in return we get 15% of his yearly oil and a one time check for 2 mil. But say someone like fried doesn't like that. He could easily pay us more and give us more supplies than we are getting to completely throw Russ's country into chaos. Of course Russ is a friend so I probably would decline but still money talks and money buys power.

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:Firstly, I do not understand what you mean by unconventional. Are you referring to Chemical, Biological, or Radioactive weaponry?

Secondly, what does this have to do with Tserra?

Yes

And it has to do with the most dangerous and scariest nations in the RP.

Jaslandia wrote:I'm glad you appreciate it. I was worried you'd take offense and disagree, but thankfully that's not the case.

*Is both offended at not being on the list but also happy at it*

*Confused Screeching*

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Tserra

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Then there's me.

We don't fight for honor we fight for money. Money drives the world economy and we are here to make sure that money is spent wisely and because we just like to fight. As we tend to get paid by multiple nations to fight their enemies we are always fighting. A thousand soldiers here a few thousand soldiers there. It doesn't matter as long as we get paid. That saying if you don't pay us you'll be lucky if your troops along side us don't get blasted by ours. We fight for the highest bidder no more no less.

Example: We have a defense deal with Russ, we guard his oil and train his military and in return we get 15% of his yearly oil and a one time check for 2 mil. But say someone like fried doesn't like that. He could easily pay us more and give us more supplies than we are getting to completely throw Russ's country into chaos. Of course Russ is a friend so I probably would decline but still money talks and money buys power.

That is seriously the worst business practice I have ever heard. You are openly announcing that your loyalty cannot be bought. Why would anyone ever hire you?

Example:

Nation A just signed a yearlong contract with your PMC to provide security for its ammunition stores.

Nation B pays you a bit more to detonate Nation A's ammunition stores. You carry this out, because money is money, and money buys power.

Nations C through Z now know that no matter how much they pay you, you might turn on them anyways, for a bit more cash, thus no one would want to hire you, because your not reliable, or trustworthy.

End of Example

It just...wow. Discharged Tserran soldiers would take the same job from Nation A, and do the best darn job they possibly could for their employer, simply for the honor of getting paid to do a good job. If Nation B attempted that with the presumed Tserran mercenaries, they would be politely told to come back if, and when their contract is not renewed with Nation A.

Kalaron wrote:*Is both offended at not being on the list but also happy at it*

*Confused Screeching*

You could be dangerous if you kept and hoarded all you weapons you design and make. Right now, you mostly sell them.

Tserra

Jaslandia wrote:You could be dangerous if you kept and hoarded all you weapons you design and make. Right now, you mostly sell them.

Tmw you thought they were going to say, "You enforce a humanity in war as much as possible, and almost universally have pushed for peace" but they instead just relate it back to the fact that you sell.

rip ;P

Jaslandia, Tserra

Kalaron wrote:Tmw you thought they were going to say, "You enforce a humanity in war as much as possible, and almost universally have pushed for peace" but they instead just relate it back to the fact that you sell.

rip ;P

lol

Jaslandia, Kalaron

Kalaron wrote:Tmw you thought they were going to say, "You enforce a humanity in war as much as possible, and almost universally have pushed for peace" but they instead just relate it back to the fact that you sell.

rip ;P

Well, that's true, but I like my original point better. *insert smiley face emoticon with tongue sticking out here*

Wasatia wrote:yup my name wasatia, thank you

His name is wasatia, 'n he's gonna wastia

Kalaron wrote:

*Confused Screeching*

Are you me in the morning?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Well, that's true, but I like my original point better. *insert smiley face emoticon with tongue sticking out here*

:P

^This. Your welcome. :P

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:1. At the moment, Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, because chemical weapons.

2. Tough one, but I might go with Tserra. While his nation and mine have a special relationship, toward other nations, I know Tse has quite a militaristic and conqueror streak. If I recall correctly, Tserra's whole society is extremely militaristic and Spartan-like, so anyone in Tserra's path should start praying for mercy now (which they might get occasionally, since OOC Tse is a priest). Friedensreich and Russian Fedrations, while frightening due to the chance of them using chemical weapons, don't seem to have the intentions to use those weapons for the time being, so I wouldn't consider them as dangerous as Tse.

3. Percyton, of course.

4. Tie between Penguania and Antarctica and Percyton, though with Percyton's coup a month back, I think Penguania might barely edge out ahead. All the O-HOPE signatories could also qualify, since neutrality and peace is basically the whole point of that alliance.

Alright. Stay safe, and we hope to see you soon!

Good morning, Vid!

https://youtu.be/pwJmVpp8fng

I'm glad to be considered one of the scariest, but I don't use them :P

In TNI I used them all the time along with biological weapons, but that was during the PMT tech era. In MT, it's simply way too expensive to research, develop, and mass produce weapons like nerve gasses and mustard gasses, when shredders and other semi-ethical weapons are perfectly fine.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:I'm glad to be considered one of the scariest, but I don't use them :P

In TNI I used them all the time along with biological weapons, but that was during the PMT tech era. In MT, it's simply way too expensive to research, develop, and mass produce weapons like nerve gasses and mustard gasses, when shredders and other semi-ethical weapons are perfectly fine.

Hey fried, are you on the map?

Audiastan wrote:Folks, ill be going on my R&R from Iraq Monday morning for 30 days. I wont be very active during that time so best wishes and talk soon :)

Make sure you put NS on vacation mode so you don't CTE!

Jaslandia, Audiastan

I disagree with having a live vote - if you know who's going to win before you take your vote it encourages people to vote tactically and therefore means some candidates that may have otherwise won may not win.

Russian Fedration, Atokad

Tserra wrote:That is seriously the worst business practice I have ever heard. You are openly announcing that your loyalty cannot be bought. Why would anyone ever hire you?

Example:

Nation A just signed a yearlong contract with your PMC to provide security for its ammunition stores.

Nation B pays you a bit more to detonate Nation A's ammunition stores. You carry this out, because money is money, and money buys power.

Nations C through Z now know that no matter how much they pay you, you might turn on them anyways, for a bit more cash, thus no one would want to hire you, because your not reliable, or trustworthy.

End of Example

It just...wow. Discharged Tserran soldiers would take the same job from Nation A, and do the best darn job they possibly could for their employer, simply for the honor of getting paid to do a good job. If Nation B attempted that with the presumed Tserran mercenaries, they would be politely told to come back if, and when their contract is not renewed with Nation A.

I have more loyalty to the four nations here I have RP'd with before. Vid, fried, Russ, and fan. I wouldn't turn on them but with some of the nation's here if we don't get payment (key phrase) and another nation gives of more than what the original owes they own our loyalty. Yet if we got the payment from nation A we would most likely decline their offer until the contract runs out.

Russian Fedration, The Vidnoye

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:I have more loyalty to the four nations here I have RP'd with before. Vid, fried, Russ, and fan. I wouldn't turn on them but with some of the nation's here if we don't get payment (key phrase) and another nation gives of more than what the original owes they own our loyalty. Yet if we got the payment from nation A we would most likely decline their offer until the contract runs out.

Still doesn't seem like a great business strategy. The nations most likely to hire your services will be fairly weak militarily, and such nations are usually also fairly weak economically. Thus, they're likely to fall behind on payments at least once, and they won't hire you if they think you'll turn on them if they're even a little bit late in paying up.

Yukona wrote:I disagree with having a live vote - if you know who's going to win before you take your vote it encourages people to vote tactically and therefore means some candidates that may have otherwise won may not win.

I can see what your saying, but showing the vote live is simply a service that many people requested.

Back when I used to run elections all the time, people would constantly TG me during elections asking what the numbers were after they voted and things like that. I started giving a read only link to the Doc I recorded the vote in simply to save time. I guess this was something that the people liked, because it appears the practice is being carried on without me. Personally I like being able to see who is winning. It helps me feel more engaged with the election. If you watch the Doc regularly you can literally see votes being recorded. Its neat.

Kalaron, Yukona

Jaslandia wrote:Still doesn't seem like a great business strategy. The nations most likely to hire your services will be fairly weak militarily, and such nations are usually also fairly weak economically. Thus, they're likely to fall behind on payments at least once, and they won't hire you if they think you'll turn on them if they're even a little bit late in paying up.

See that's understandable. That's why we either will make leeway room or will normally straight up do a single payment with a small yearly resource income like what I did with Russ.

Jaslandia

Baxten wrote:As much as I hate it, everyone's military is just really good

Hey at least I try to level it out a little bit, strength, armament, and friends over size :3

Just read 80 messages as I got up

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Percyton, Modern Tech Helghan

Russian Fedration wrote:Just read 80 messages as I got up

Yeah it happens. Wait until we get really excited about something. I have seen thousands of posts a day.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Yeah it happens. Wait until we get really excited about something. I have seen thousands of posts a day.

A year from now there was a heated discussion about US presidential elections if I remember right.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:A year from now there was a heated discussion about US presidential elections if I remember right.

There were quite a few days where that happened, I believe. Still, compared to the rest of the world, I think our political discussions were pretty reasonable and calm.

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Yeah it happens. Wait until we get really excited about something. I have seen thousands of posts a day.

Oh lol really ? Oh geeze lol

Vista Major, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Yeah it happens. Wait until we get really excited about something. I have seen thousands of posts a day.

This region alone is responsible for teaching me how to speed read.

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Humpheria Major, Yukona, Percyton

[spoiler=Today is April 29 and today are:]

Today is April 29 and today are:

- Bob Wills Day

- Children's Day (Colombia)

- Day of Remembrance for all Victims of Chemical Warfare (United Nations)

- Day of Trees (Colombia)

- Ely Eel Day (Ely, Cambridgeshire, UK)

- Eeyore's Birthday Day

- Healthy Kids Day

- International Astronomy Day

- International Dance Day (UNESCO)

- International Table Top Day

- National Kiss of Hope Day (United States)

- National Peace Rose Day (United States)

- National Pool Opening Day (United States)

- National Rebuilding Day (United States)

- National Sense of Smell Day (United States)

- National Shrimp Scampi Day (United States)

- National Zipper Day (United States)

- Save the Frogs Day

- Shōwa Day (Japan)

- World Day for Animals in Laboratories

- World Healing Day

- World Tai Chi & Qigong Day

- World Veterinary Day

- World Wish Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1091 – Battle of Levounion: The Pechenegs are defeated by Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos.

- 1386 – Battle of the Vikhra River: The Principality of Smolensk is defeated by the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and becomes its vassal.

- 1429 – Joan of Arc arrives to relieve the Siege of Orléans.

- 1483 – Gran Canaria, the main island of the Canary Islands, is conquered by the Kingdom of Castile.

- 1521 – Swedish War of Liberation: Swedish troops defeat a Danish force in the Battle of Västerås.

- 1770 – James Cook arrives in Australia at Botany Bay, which he names.

- 1781 – American Revolutionary War: British and French ships clash in the Battle of Fort Royal off the coast of Martinique.

- 1861 – American Civil War: Maryland's House of Delegates votes not to secede from the Union.

- 1862 – American Civil War: The Capture of New Orleans by Union forces under David Farragut.

- 1864 – Theta Xi fraternity is founded at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the only fraternity to be founded during the American Civil War.

- 1903 – A 30 million cubic-metre landslide kills 70 people in Frank, in the District of Alberta, Canada.

- 1910 – The Parliament of the United Kingdom passes the People's Budget, the first budget in British history with the expressed intent of redistributing wealth among the British public.

- 1911 – Tsinghua University, one of mainland China's leading universities, is founded.

- 1916 – World War I: The UK's 6th Indian Division surrenders to Ottoman Forces at the Siege of Kut in one of the largest surrenders of British forces up to that point.

- 1916 – Easter Rising: After six days of fighting, Irish rebel leaders surrender to British forces in Dublin, bringing the Easter Rising to an end.

- 1944 – World War II: British agent Nancy Wake, a leading figure in the French Resistance and the Gestapo's most wanted person, parachutes back into France to be a liaison between London and the local maquis group.

- 1945 – World War II: The German army in Italy unconditionally surrenders to the Allies.

- 1945 – World War II: Start of Operation Manna.

- 1945 – World War II: The Captain-class frigate HMS Goodall (K479) is torpedoed by U-286 outside the Kola Inlet becoming the last Royal Navy ship to be sunk in the European theatre of World War II.

- 1945 – World War II: Führerbunker: Adolf Hitler marries his longtime partner Eva Braun in a Berlin bunker and designates Admiral Karl Dönitz as his successor; Hitler and Braun both commit suicide the following day.

- 1945 – Dachau concentration camp is liberated by United States troops.

- 1945 – The Italian commune of Fornovo di Taro is liberated from German forces by Brazilian forces.

- 1946 – The International Military Tribunal for the Far East convenes and indicts former Prime Minister of Japan Hideki Tojo and 28 former Japanese leaders for war crimes.

- 1951 – Tibetan delegates to the Central People's Government arrive in Beijing and draft a Seventeen Point Agreement for Chinese sovereignty and Tibetan autonomy.

- 1953 – The first U.S. experimental 3D television broadcast showed an episode of Space Patrol on Los Angeles ABC affiliate KECA-TV.

- 1965 – Pakistan's Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO) successfully launches its seventh rocket in its Rehber series.

- 1967 – After refusing induction into the United States Army the previous day, Muhammad Ali is stripped of his boxing title.

- 1968 – The controversial musical Hair, a product of the hippie counter-culture and sexual revolution of the 1960s, opens at the Biltmore Theatre on Broadway, with some of its songs becoming anthems of the anti-Vietnam War movement.

- 1970 – Vietnam War: United States and South Vietnamese forces invade Cambodia to hunt Viet Cong.

- 1974 – Watergate scandal: United States President Richard Nixon announces the release of edited transcripts of White House tape recordings relating to the scandal.

- 1975 – Vietnam War: Operation Frequent Wind: The U.S. begins to evacuate U.S. citizens from Saigon before an expected North Vietnamese takeover. U.S. involvement in the war comes to an end.

- 1975 – Vietnam War: The North Vietnamese army completes its capture of all parts of South Vietnamese-held Trường Sa Islands.

- 1986 – A fire at the Central library of the City of Los Angeles Public Library damages or destroys 400,000 books and other items.

- 1986 – Chernobyl disaster: American and European spy satellites capture the ruins of the 4th Reactor at the Chernobyl Power Plant

- 1991 – A cyclone strikes the Chittagong district of southeastern Bangladesh with winds of around 155 miles per hour (249 km/h), killing at least 138,000 people and leaving as many as ten million homeless.

- 1991 – The 7.0 Mw Racha earthquake affects Georgia with a maximum MSK intensity of IX (Destructive), killing 270 people.

- 1992 – Los Angeles riots: Riots in Los Angeles, following the acquittal of police officers charged with excessive force in the beating of Rodney King. Over the next three days 53 people are killed and hundreds of buildings are destroyed.

- 1997 – The Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993 enters into force, outlawing the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons by its signatories.

- 2011 – The Wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton takes place at Westminster Abbey in London.

- 2013 – A powerful explosion occurs in an office building in Prague, believed to have been caused by natural gas, injures 43 people.

- 2015 – A baseball game between the Baltimore Orioles and the Chicago White Sox sets the all-time low attendance mark for Major League Baseball. Zero fans were in attendance for the game, as the stadium was officially closed to the public due to the 2015 Baltimore protests.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1818 – Alexander II of Russia

- 1854 – Henri Poincaré, French mathematician, physicist, and engineer

- 1899 – Duke Ellington, American pianist, composer, and bandleader

- 1901 – Hirohito, Japanese emperor

- 1907 – Fred Zinnemann, Austrian-American director and producer

- 1922 – Toots Thielemans, Belgian guitarist and harmonica player

- 1954 – Jerry Seinfeld, American comedian, actor, and producer

- 1957 – Daniel Day-Lewis, British-Irish actor

- 1958 – Michelle Pfeiffer, American actress

- 1968 – Michael "Bully" Herbig, German film director, actor and author

- 1970 – Uma Thurman, American actress

- 1970 – Andre Agassi, American tennis player

- 1978 – Bob and Mike Bryan, American tennis players

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Quote of the day

Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

- Truman Capote -

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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Percyton

Jaslandia

I apparently read the map just a tad wrong, and have been under the impression I owned something I did not. I wonder if you would be willing to cede what in real life is the Karak Governorate in Jordan to me. This is simply a matter of convenience for me. If you decide not to its fine, no worries, its just some minor edits for some of my factbooks, and I have plenty already that I still need to finish.

Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:This region alone is responsible for teaching me how to speed read.

Same

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Jaslandia

I apparently read the map just a tad wrong, and have been under the impression I owned something I did not. I wonder if you would be willing to cede what in real life is the Karak Governorate in Jordan to me. This is simply a matter of convenience for me. If you decide not to its fine, no worries, its just some minor edits for some of my factbooks, and I have plenty already that I still need to finish.

It might cause a bit of a bulge in my territory, but I could be persuaded. What do you need that area for?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- Eeyore's Birthday Day

Happy birthday, Eeyore! He was always my favorite of the Pooh characters. And especially as we get older, I think we've all related to Eeyore at some point or another.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1957 – Daniel Day-Lewis, British-Irish actor

https://youtu.be/1qjtugr2618

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:Hey fried, are you on the map?

Ye. #75, which is basically southeast china.

Russian Fedration

#unf4pres #cc4MOJ #sul4MOI

Unfallious, Continental Commonwealths, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:It might cause a bit of a bulge in my territory, but I could be persuaded. What do you need that area for?

Because of the crusader castle at Al-Kerak, I intended for it to be the primary fortress, and military base for my nation. Sort of my nations equivalent of the Pentagon, and Fort Bragg all rolled into one.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Humpheria Major wrote:#unf4pres #cc4MOJ #sul4MOI

Awh. I gots an endorsement!

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Humpheria Major

Tserra wrote:Because of the crusader castle at Al-Kerak, I intended for it to be the primary fortress, and military base for my nation. Sort of my nations equivalent of the Pentagon, and Fort Bragg all rolled into one.

I see. Part of me is a bit concerned about having such a powerful and important castle to close to my borders. However, if I do give you this land, can you promise not to use it against me (at least in the near future)?

Jaslandia wrote:I see. Part of me is a bit concerned about having such a powerful and important castle to close to my borders. However, if I do give you this land, can you promise not to use it against me (at least in the near future)?

I do not now, nor have I ever had problems with Jaslandia, and I do not forsee one anytime soon, if ever. Your the Canada to my United States. Why would I want to invade my Canada?

So yes. I can promise that. With that being said, I am surprised we have never formally allied, I treat you like one.

Jaslandia

Humpheria Major wrote:#unf4pres #cc4MOJ #sul4MOI

high praise

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Humpheria Major

Unfallious wrote:high praise

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder636/57619636.jpg

Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder636/57619636.jpg

[B]HIGH PRAISE[/B]

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths, Oelesa

Tserra wrote:Yeah it happens. Wait until we get really excited about something. I have seen thousands of posts a day.

*borderline spiritual same*

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Referendum in progress.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=90794

[I]Duration: 7 days, including today.[/I]

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:I do not now, nor have I ever had problems with Jaslandia, and I do not forsee one anytime soon, if ever. Your the Canada to my United States. Why would I want to invade my Canada?

So yes. I can promise that. With that being said, I am surprised we have never formally allied, I treat you like one.

Not sure if I appreciate being called the Canada of this relationship, but nonetheless, I appreciate the assurance. I can give you that piece of land, and I'd also be open to negotiating a defensive alliance and/or a trade deal.

Hello!

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:Hello!

Hiya

The Vidnoye

Jaslandia wrote:Not sure if I appreciate being called the Canada of this relationship, but nonetheless, I appreciate the assurance. I can give you that piece of land, and I'd also be open to negotiating a defensive alliance and/or a trade deal.

Baxten

Can I get the Karak Governorate in Jordan added to my territory?

Jaslandia

I am gonna eat the late lunch I just picked up, and do some thinking. Here at some point I plan on TGing you, to work out an official defensive alliance.

Jaslandia

The Vidnoye wrote:Hello!

Oh hey der

Jaslandia, Percyton

The Vidnoye wrote:Hello!

Hey, Vid!

Tserra wrote:Baxten

Can I get the Karak Governorate in Jordan added to my territory?

Jaslandia

I am gonna eat the late lunch I just picked up, and do some thinking. Here at some point I plan on TGing you, to work out an official defensive alliance.

Very well. I look forward to seeing your proposal.

Andromitus wrote:Oh hey der

https://youtu.be/uvWlgLUvSCg?t=9s

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Fried is a smartass confirmed:

Conservative: Right wing extremists don't exist

Other guy: 😂😂😂 he (me) already told that joke

Conservative: but they don't 😐

Fried: They're called Fascists, Reactionaries, and Ultra-Nationalists.

Conservative: Yeah and Big foot is my homie

Fried: I figured you'd know Sasquatch well, given how you don't know that there are a so such thing as right wing extremists. Living in the woods and under a rock will do that to someone.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Not sure if I appreciate being called the Canada of this relationship, but nonetheless, I appreciate the assurance. I can give you that piece of land, and I'd also be open to negotiating a defensive alliance and/or a trade deal.
What's wrong with being Canada, huh?

*pops knuckles*

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra

Humpheria Major wrote:#unf4pres #cc4MOJ #sul4MOI

#FluffyHair4VP

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:What's wrong with being Canada, huh?

*pops knuckles*

yeah, what's wrong, eh

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:yeah, what's wrong, eh

Can we get another canuckophile, please? We're rounding up a posse to go beat on Jas.

If "beat on" is defined as offering him free heathcare and beavertails, that is.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

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