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Unfallious wrote:working for food and a home like everyone in the collective

being homeless because you failed the arbitrary state educational system

????

ok guy you just give him some almonds i'm sure that fvcking helped

What the f*ck was I supposed to do? Say "sorry, I don't have anything" when I had two bags of groceries in my hands? And by the way, your dream of a worker's revolution is unrealistic and frankly, cringey. Who knows why that dude's homeless?? Definitely not either of us, but at least I bothered to help out however I could at the moment.

The Vidnoye wrote:Genuinely heartless. I hope they stay poor too, sure does feel good to have wealth I didnt work for!
mmmmm, baiting me. I got you.

Merlinton, Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:You could say the same for socialists who took a class on free market and capitalism, once you get educated with a bias it's quite easy to switch views

You become more appreciative of an ideology when you spend a lot of time learning about it, in some cases. That is why I have kept my communist leanings despite the class being long done, but haven't jumped on the lib train despite double majoring in liberal market economics.

Magnatronia wrote:What the f*ck was I supposed to do? Say "sorry, I don't have anything" when I had two bags of groceries in my hands? And by the way, your dream of a worker's revolution is unrealistic and frankly, cringey. Who knows why that dude's homeless?? Definitely not either of us, but at least I bothered to help out however I could at the moment. mmmmm, baiting me. I got you.

Hey, you did good mate.

You might think those almonds wont do anything for him but at least you raised his spirits for a time, no?

If you see him again, give what you can if you wish, but don't regret giving something just because you made a mistake in [B]what[/B] to give :D

Merlinton

Unfallious wrote:Socialism is any system in which the people own the means of production. In an anarchism, the people own the means of production.

Counter-example: AnCap

Private capitalists own the means of production, not the employees.

Yukona

Magnatronia wrote:your dream of a worker's revolution is unrealistic and frankly, cringey.

'yeah..well...uh...your politics are CRINGEY'

Come back when you leave middle school

Yukona

Friedensreich wrote:Counter-example: AnCap

Private capitalists own the means of production, not the employees.

I was gonna say

Unfallious wrote:'yeah..well...uh...your politics are CRINGEY'

Come back when you leave middle school

And yet when I call Unf a gay lord for being a communist he takes it on board as constructive criticism - see what bridges can be built with friendship? Right Unf?

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Counter-example: AnCap

Private capitalists own the means of production, not the employees.

ancaps are weird and divergent from other anarchist ideologies in a bunch of ways tho so that's ok, in general it's a decent way to describe it.

Yukona wrote:And yet when I call Unf a gay lord for being a communist he takes it on board as constructive criticism - see what bridges can be built with friendship? Right Unf?

yuk I feign friendship with you until I can get close enough to give you polonium

Jaslandia, Yukona

Aldaur wrote:Ik I quoted your thing about socialism, but in my mind, I was responding to this:

1) Marx is communism, not socialism. Also, the end goal of socialism is to reach communism. However, I know therr are plenty of people who just want to stop at socialism, or at least that is what they say. It is still unpopular to call yourself a full fledged communist in America.

2) You say those states don't equal communism, which is true if you are trying to create it in it's purest form. But nothing can be pure, as reality corrupts everything. All communist states will inevitably end in totalitarian states with massive governments attempting redistribution. One could make the same argument about Fascism as well. It has never been tried in it's purest form, but that's because it can't. Like communism, they will end up as totalitarian states with big governments.

3) Now we have places like Scandinavia, which people hail as a center of socialism or democratic socialism. However, this is very far from the truth. The fact is, they are very capitalist countries with social welfare programs. In fact, having social welfare programs was a tactic of capitalists to get rid of socialists because then the State would be taking care of it's citizens and socialists couldn't complain about anything. See Bismarck for an example. So if you just want more social programs, that doesn't make you a socialist. I want there to be social programs, and I am vehemently capitalist. Albeit, I want to reform how those social programs work, but that's a different discussion.

4) Now I have huge gripes with both Communism and Socialism, as I see them as attempts to restrict liberty, something I find important. I believe in a small but strong and active government. While the government certainly has a role, such as protecting life, liberty, privacy and property, I do not believe taking from someone else and giving to another is an equitable policy, nor is it compatible with liberty. That is not the social contract that I signed. Rather, the government should help people create their own things to fulfill their needs and desires, not take away from others. That's my take on it.

Let's break this down:

1) Not true, there are a number of ideologies that are put under the socialist umbrella that don't want communism. For example, Social Democracy and Market Socialism.

2) In this vein, no ideology can be achieved in its purest form, which is true. However, your conclusion that communism will end in nothing but totalitarianism is not true. For examples, look no further than the Spanish Anarcho-Communists during the Spanish Civil War.

3) Agreed, Scandinavia is an example of Social Democracy working.

That is why many people say the communists from the 1800's and early 1900's achieved what they wanted, and that the ideology serves no purpose now that the issues they brought up were solved.

4) Exactly everything I hold dear. People that value liberty would see the need in anarchy, as it keeps people free from a big government that crushes them.

Aldaur wrote:Then come back lol

Are you in HS or college? I can't remember :p

The entire Pacific is an Aldauri dominion and is not international waters :p Though admittingly, we will only tax you in the southern pacific. We could do so in the North, but we kind of turn a blind eye tbh. We will sink all warships sailing anywhere in the pacific if they don't have our permission though. We take pur peacekeeping in the Pacific seriously.

As long as it is a non-military airplane, you can fly over the Pacific, it is fine. We only tax goods traded by sea in our waters (the whole Pacific ocean is ours :p). I will say though, that Indonesia is definitely not north enough for us to turn a blind eye and we will sink exiled ships. Better hug the coast until you reach the sea of Japan and sail across up there. If it's a warship though, our fleets will get you :p And if we happen to stumble on a trading vessel up there, we may or may not seize your stuff for not sailing without permission. This is the Aldauri way :p

Yes Peng, please come back after your glorious venture into the *shudders* real world; As I am most likely now emotionally dependent on you after a full year of exposure to your radiating kindness, I fear not maintaining steady exposure could have disastrous consequences ;)

I'm a Junior in HS

[spoiler=Pacific Rant]

I'm going to leave that to the moderators, seems a bit out there for you to maintain such a huge level of dominion; Even though I am allied with you and it doesn't effect me, it does seem a little unfair to growing asian powers seeking economic abilities across the seas (I.e New members). I think a more plausible event would be you maintaining military dominance in the Bay of Bengal, Andaman sea, gulf of Thailand, Indonesian Archipelago (I meant Philippine Arch in my last post soz) and the Celebes Sea. That way, its logistically possible and your not a hilariously overpowered and ever so slightly godlike character in world affairs.

Also, for scale, It'd be hard, nay impossible, to maintain authority in the South Pacific, especially with Andrea-Calofasian dominance in said region near Southern America, alongside what seems to be California States in the America-North Pacific zone, although their not that RP active so IDK. And I don't know why, but I have a tiny hunch that the Russo powers aren't going to be simply rolling over to Aldauri influence in their portion of the Pacific. From my perspective, and unless you have some secret super weapon, controlling the Pacific is simply not all that possible. And wouldn't it be more economically viable to just straight up not waste military resources protecting such a hilariously large zone of control? Your apart of an Alliance that actually holds domain over every world trade route accept Kumania's Waterway and the zones underneath Africa and Southern America.

However, I could see you maintaining Imperial Dominance in the South China Sea, which would give you influence over our friend Friedensreich until he builds himself (herself?) up economically. I do now see a potential economic niche for little old me. And after reading that and looking at the map, I just realized the shear economic scope of the ITF, maintaining dominant authority with transport from the Atlantic to Pacific (me), Pacific to Indian (you), and Indian to Mediterranean (Tse). Sheesh. [/spoiler]

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:ancaps are weird and divergent from other anarchist ideologies in a bunch of ways tho so that's ok, in general it's a decent way to describe it.

Well, I like to say anarchism divides up into a cappy wing and a commie wing. AnCaps are on one side, and AnComs on the other, with Syndicalists and extreme libertarians on opposing ends too.

This makes more sense because it follows the horseshoe theory, which says that extremists (in this case, AnCom and AnCap) agree more with each other than they do the center.

Andromitus wrote:Yes Peng, please come back after your glorious venture into the *shudders* real world; As I am most likely now emotionally dependent on you after a full year of exposure to your radiating kindness, I fear not maintaining steady exposure could have disastrous consequences ;)

I'm a Junior in HS

[spoiler=Pacific Rant]

I'm going to leave that to the moderators, seems a bit out there for you to maintain such a huge level of dominion; Even though I am allied with you and it doesn't effect me, it does seem a little unfair to growing asian powers seeking economic abilities across the seas (I.e New members). I think a more plausible event would be you maintaining military dominance in the Bay of Bengal, Andaman sea, gulf of Thailand, Indonesian Archipelago (I meant Philippine Arch in my last post soz) and the Celebes Sea. That way, its logistically possible and your not a hilariously overpowered and ever so slightly godlike character in world affairs.

Also, for scale, It'd be hard, nay impossible, to maintain authority in the South Pacific, especially with Andrea-Calofasian dominance in said region near Southern America, alongside what seems to be California States in the America-North Pacific zone, although their not that RP active so IDK. And I don't know why, but I have a tiny hunch that the Russo powers aren't going to be simply rolling over to Aldauri influence in their portion of the Pacific. From my perspective, and unless you have some secret super weapon, controlling the Pacific is simply not all that possible. And wouldn't it be more economically viable to just straight up not waste military resources protecting such a hilariously large zone of control? Your apart of an Alliance that actually holds domain over every world trade route accept Kumania's Waterway and the zones underneath Africa and Southern America.

However, I could see you maintaining Imperial Dominance in the South China Sea, which would give you influence over our friend Friedensreich until he builds himself (herself?) up economically. I do now see a potential economic niche for little old me. And after reading that and looking at the map, I just realized the shear economic scope of the ITF, maintaining dominant authority with transport from the Atlantic to Pacific (me), Pacific to Indian (you), and Indian to Mediterranean (Tse). Sheesh. [/spoiler]

The Russo powers have an official statement to Aldauri 'dominion' of the pacific:

'lol ok totally'

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Friedensreich

Unfallious wrote:The Russo powers have an official statement to Aldauri 'dominion' of the pacific:

'lol ok totally'

Wasent there some rumor that a Part of Russia was gonna be Opened?

Unfallious wrote:The Russo powers have an official statement to Aldauri 'dominion' of the pacific:

'lol ok totally'

Y'all want some rice in exchange for guns? :3

Russian Fedration wrote:Wasent there some rumor that a Part of Russia was gonna be Opened?

Bearlong was gonna CTE and some part of Siberia was gonna open up because I was gonna take his claim, but he came back so that's not happening anymore

Friedensreich wrote:Y'all want some rice in exchange for guns? :3

wait where are you on the map

Andromitus wrote:Yes Peng, please come back after your glorious venture into the *shudders* real world; As I am most likely now emotionally dependent on you after a full year of exposure to your radiating kindness, I fear not maintaining steady exposure could have disastrous consequences ;)

I'm a Junior in HS

[spoiler=Pacific Rant]

I'm going to leave that to the moderators, seems a bit out there for you to maintain such a huge level of dominion; Even though I am allied with you and it doesn't effect me, it does seem a little unfair to growing asian powers seeking economic abilities across the seas (I.e New members). I think a more plausible event would be you maintaining military dominance in the Bay of Bengal, Andaman sea, gulf of Thailand, Indonesian Archipelago (I meant Philippine Arch in my last post soz) and the Celebes Sea. That way, its logistically possible and your not a hilariously overpowered and ever so slightly godlike character in world affairs.

Also, for scale, It'd be hard, nay impossible, to maintain authority in the South Pacific, especially with Andrea-Calofasian dominance in said region near Southern America, alongside what seems to be California States in the America-North Pacific zone, although their not that RP active so IDK. And I don't know why, but I have a tiny hunch that the Russo powers aren't going to be simply rolling over to Aldauri influence in their portion of the Pacific. From my perspective, and unless you have some secret super weapon, controlling the Pacific is simply not all that possible. And wouldn't it be more economically viable to just straight up not waste military resources protecting such a hilariously large zone of control? Your apart of an Alliance that actually holds domain over every world trade route accept Kumania's Waterway and the zones underneath Africa and Southern America.

However, I could see you maintaining Imperial Dominance in the South China Sea, which would give you influence over our friend Friedensreich until he builds himself (herself?) up economically. I do now see a potential economic niche for little old me. And after reading that and looking at the map, I just realized the shear economic scope of the ITF, maintaining dominant authority with transport from the Atlantic to Pacific (me), Pacific to Indian (you), and Indian to Mediterranean (Tse). Sheesh. [/spoiler]

Oh no.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Andromitus

Unfallious wrote:wait where are you on the map

Hong Kong, Macau, Guangdong, Guangxi, and Hainan. Southeast China, pretty much.

Aldaur

Unfallious wrote:'yeah..well...uh...your politics are CRINGEY'

Come back when you leave middle school

"I'm gonna start a revolution in my country and everyone's gonna absolutely LOVE working on a collectivised farm!"

Come back to me when you've gotten a grasp on reality.

Merlinton

Magnatronia wrote:"I'm gonna start a revolution in my country and everyone's gonna absolutely LOVE working on a collectivised farm!"

Come back to me when you've gotten a grasp on reality.

Ha! Farms are for farmers! You'll be working in the salt mines.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Magnatronia wrote:"I'm gonna start a revolution in my country and everyone's gonna absolutely LOVE working on a collectivised farm!"

Come back to me when you've gotten a grasp on reality.

oh boy you got me there I'll sure have to go out and get some reality-checking going on, maybe just socialise myself into the dominant ideology whilst I'm at it so I can go around calling everyone with slightly different opinions to me cringey.

Do you have self-awareness? Honest question.

Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:Ha! Farms are for farmers! You'll be working in the salt mines.

*cough* sulfur mines *cough* ;P

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:Ha! Farms are for farmers! You'll be working in the salt mines.

I guess you could say I'm a bit salty.

I'll be here all week folks.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Ha! Farms are for farmers! You'll be working in the salt mines.

He gets it

I think I'll hit the pillow.

Goodnight pals. Sweet dreams.<3

Einsiev, Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:I can't tell whether you're trying to bait me, or if you're genuinely this heartless. At least Aldaur gave a decent reason for his position towards homeless people.

I appreciate the well thought-out response, Ald. And I would actually agree that no one should HAVE to give them anything. But Miami isn't exactly Portland (assuming Portland, Oregon), so we don't have as many venues available to the homeless. So you see a lotta amputees and such asking for money. Though this one dude swindled me outta 5 bucks because he pretended to have Parkinsons. I go out of my way to ignore him now because A. That was dishonest and gives the homeless an even worse reputation and B. My grandmother died while suffering from Parkinson's. But most people here seem genuinely in need. Some even sell water and soda? I like those dudes especially.

I feel for the homeless too, I've just become jaded to the ones here, because they aren't normal homeless people. I occasionally still give them food or money though, as the way I see it, even if they are trying to con me, they are in greater need of it than I am. Otherwise they wouldn't need to swindle you. Here, I feel that giving them money does not really help their situation, which is why I would push hard for opening up rehabilitation centers to get them off the streets so they can stop harming people. We already take care of those who fall on hard times, so perhaps that is something you should do there first. That way it is easier to differentiate between the legitimate poor and those who are just lazy, on drugs or crazy.

Magnatronia

Unfallious wrote:oh boy you got me there I'll sure have to go out and get some reality-checking going on, maybe just socialise myself into the dominant ideology whilst I'm at it so I can go around calling everyone with slightly different opinions to me cringey.

Do you have self-awareness? Honest question.

Oh, I'm definitely self aware. I'm also aware that it's pointless to waste my time hoping for a revolution, when instead I could do something a little decent for a guy in need. By the way, I don't say other people's ideologies are cringey. I criticize them when I disagree with them. But I also look for practicality. What Ald said is practical . A little hard, but practical. You know what's not practical? Hoping to take everyone's belongings and divy them up. Now that is cringey.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:*cough* sulfur mines *cough* ;P

Rubber plantations for my prophylactics :P

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I think I'll hit the pillow.

Goodnight pals. Sweet dreams.<3

Night Peng!

Aldaur wrote:I feel for the homeless too, I've just become jaded to the ones here, because they aren't normal homeless people. I occasionally still give them food or money though, as the way I see it, even if they are trying to con me, they are in greater need of it than I am. Otherwise they wouldn't need to swindle you. Here, I feel that giving them money does not really help their situation, which is why I would push hard for opening up rehabilitation centers to get them off the streets so they can stop harming people. We already take care of those who fall on hard times, so perhaps that is something you should do there first. That way it is easier to differentiate between the legitimate poor and those who are just lazy, on drugs or crazy.

My thoughts exactly. You LITERALLY took my thoughts and wrote them out on paper.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Rubber plantations for my prophylactics :P

Oh gosh XD

Magnatronia wrote:By the way, I don't say other people's ideologies are cringey.

Magnatronia wrote:You know what's not practical? Hoping to take everyone's belongings and divy them up. Now that is cringey.

can I just point out you said something and then immediately did the thing you just said you didn't do.

personal property v. private property.

Please understand the ideology you try to criticise, nobody wants your toothbrush or your TV or your car. It's not only practical to seize private property, it's already been done historically.

Aldaur, Friedensreich

Magnatronia wrote:Oh, I'm definitely self aware. I'm also aware that it's pointless to waste my time hoping for a revolution, when instead I could do something a little decent for a guy in need. By the way, I don't say other people's ideologies are cringey. I criticize them when I disagree with them. But I also look for practicality. What Ald said is practical . A little hard, but practical. You know what's not practical? Hoping to take everyone's belongings and divy them up. Now that is cringey.

That's the problem, revolutions are not universal.

Marx himself said numerous times that democratic nations like the US can skip revolutions by voting in socialist politicians in participatory democracy.

Marx is just following the Social Contract, which says that the people of a nation can destroy their government and replace it with a new one when they feel as though they are being oppressed. He said that capitalistic oppression and government ineptitude (or flat out corruption) to fix it will cause for the Social Contract to be null.

Aldaur

Unfallious wrote:

nobody wants your toothbrush or your TV or your car

Speak for yourself bruh. His toothbrush is mine!

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:Bearlong was gonna CTE and some part of Siberia was gonna open up because I was gonna take his claim, but he came back so that's not happening anymore

Darnit

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:can I just point out you said something and then immediately did the thing you just said you didn't do.

Because you totally didn't take that outta context

Unfallious wrote:

personal property v. private property.

Please understand the ideology you try to criticise, nobody wants your toothbrush or your TV or your car. It's not only practical to seize private property, it's already been done historically.

I understand that, but I was *still* referring to the practice of seizing and distributing private property. I don't think many people would agree that seizing factories, businesses, etc and distributing it to the masses would be a practical way of solving homelessness. Why do that when we can take the better path and invest in programs to help the homeless. I'd much rather take the taxes we collect and funnel it into those kinds of programs than destroy the established economic system.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Magnatronia wrote:Because you totally didn't take that outta context

I understand that, but I was *still* referring to the practice of seizing and distributing private property. I don't think many people would agree that seizing factories, businesses, etc and distributing it to the masses would be a practical way of solving homelessness. Why do that when we can take the better path and invest in programs to help the homeless. I'd much rather take the taxes we collect and funnel it into those kinds of programs than destroy the established economic system.

Rather than turning private property into public property, we should do the reverse. Transfer the massive amounts of unused public land and turn it into private allodial land for each citizen. Everyone can get less than an acre of good land with a house built on top (I've done the math, it wouldn't cost that much and it would actually save a lot of money). This solves homelessness, as people get shelter and land to grow food on if they need be (though they should have an automated hydroponics system instead imo). This would make people self sustainable and independent from the future problems of automation. Not to mention that when things are held in common, no one takes care of it. One only has to walk down their nearest street to see all the garbage. Give everyone property and they will be able to take care of themselves. That's what welfare should be like. Don't sustain poverty, give people the tools to get out of poverty themselves. Nothing is more driving than one's own accomplishments. I also believe owning property is a necessity for freedom, so there is that too. Not to mention all the money we would save on maintaining land we don't use for anything, we would save on social programs as well because less people would need it, and more people would have disposable income to spend into the market. The Socialist view of economics, while admirable, is old thinking and won't actually help people. The people should never be dependent on the government, but the government should be dependant on the people.

Aldaur wrote:Rather than turning private property into public property, we should do the reverse. Transfer the massive amounts of unused public land and turn it into private allodial land for each citizen. Everyone can get less than an acre of good land with a house built on top (I've done the math, it wouldn't cost that much and it would actually save a lot of money). This solves homelessness, as people get shelter and land to grow food on if they need be (though they should have an automated hydroponics system instead imo). This would make people self sustainable and independent from the future problems of automation. Not to mention that when things are held in common, no one takes care of it. One only has to walk down their nearest street to see all the garbage. Give everyone property and they will be able to take care of themselves. That's what welfare should be like. Don't sustain poverty, give people the tools to get out of poverty themselves. Nothing is more driving than one's own accomplishments. I also believe owning property is a necessity for freedom, so there is that too. Not to mention all the money we would save on maintaining land we don't use for anything, we would save on social programs as well because less people would need it, and more people would have disposable income to spend into the market. The Socialist view of economics, while admirable, is old thinking and won't actually help people. The people should never be dependent on the government, but the government should be dependant on the people.

Good point Ald. My only concern would be the environment impact of taking all that unused land (I'm picturing acres of grassland or forest being cut down for housing). But hey, if we could incorporate sustainable farming practices, I'd be all for it. But the problem I was addressing is when you *force* people to either give up what they own, or to give other people land they don't want to farm on (because they don't wanna work on a farm in the first place). I just like the idea of investing in programs to help the homeless because, let's be honest, Republicans in the US would say that's communism, and Democrats would say that would be inefficient. So things like shelters, job training programs, affordable housing, mental health programs, etc would be good enough for the time being.

Aldaur

Oh Andromitus, you'll have no idea of what comes next.

Magnatronia

You might remember my visit here last week. My account, [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], had been hacked and brought here. Even though the password had been changed, it was hacked again. The offender once again brought my nation here. He has apparently started endorsing certain figures within this region, and a few have endorsed him back. Please, ban this nation.

Russian Fedration

Magnatronia wrote:Good point Ald. My only concern would be the environment impact of taking all that unused land (I'm picturing acres of grassland or forest being cut down for housing). But hey, if we could incorporate sustainable farming practices, I'd be all for it. But the problem I was addressing is when you *force* people to either give up what they own, or to give other people land they don't want to farm on (because they don't wanna work on a farm in the first place). I just like the idea of investing in programs to help the homeless because, let's be honest, Republicans in the US would say that's communism, and Democrats would say that would be inefficient. So things like shelters, job training programs, affordable housing, mental health programs, etc would be good enough for the time being.

Oh of course, the little things is what will actually get through and even though I believe we should give everyone allodial land, there is no way that would pass. Being the pragmatist though, I believe we should start giving veterans allodial land as a reward for their service. This solves many problems with veteran homelessness and bloated inefficient social programs that are supposed to help them but don't. Also, it has a pretty high chance of success because as a politician, you can't say no to helping veterans, as it will make you look like an arsehole and you won't get reelected lol

Magnatronia

Aldaur wrote:Oh of course, the little things is what will actually get through and even though I believe we should give everyone allodial land, there is no way that would pass. Being the pragmatist though, I believe we should start giving veterans allodial land as a reward for their service. This solves many problems with veteran homelessness and bloated inefficient social programs that are supposed to help them but don't. Also, it has a pretty high chance of success because as a politician, you can't say no to helping veterans, as it will make you look like an arsehole and you won't get reelected lol

That sounds an awful lot like feudalism, tbh.

Post self-deleted by Magnatronia.

Aldaur wrote:Oh of course, the little things is what will actually get through and even though I believe we should give everyone allodial land, there is no way that would pass. Being the pragmatist though, I believe we should start giving veterans allodial land as a reward for their service. This solves many problems with veteran homelessness and bloated inefficient social programs that are supposed to help them but don't. Also, it has a pretty high chance of success because as a politician, you can't say no to helping veterans, as it will make you look like an arsehole and you won't get reelected lol

Dude, that's a really good idea?? Honestly, it'd save a lotta vets the struggle of starting their life over as a civilian when they return from duty. I mean, they'd literally have an acre to start with.

Aldaur

Xovland1 wrote:You might remember my visit here last week. My account, [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], had been hacked and brought here. Even though the password had been changed, it was hacked again. The offender once again brought my nation here. He has apparently started endorsing certain figures within this region, and a few have endorsed him back. Please, ban this nation.

Listen, buddy, tell us who hacked you, and we'll ask them to explain themselves and/or leave. But don't just come into our RMB and throw accusations without any proof.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia

Xovland1 wrote:You might remember my visit here last week. My account, [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], had been hacked and brought here. Even though the password had been changed, it was hacked again. The offender once again brought my nation here. He has apparently started endorsing certain figures within this region, and a few have endorsed him back. Please, ban this nation.

Magnatronia wrote:Listen, buddy, tell us who hacked you, and we'll ask them to explain themselves and/or leave. But don't just come into our RMB and throw accusations without any proof.

Well, and more to the point, determining if you were hacked is more of an issue for the mods. Get them involved, because we have no way of determining who is control of that account and whether they are the rightful owner. And we won't go banning people on request.

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:Listen, buddy, tell us who hacked you, and we'll ask them to explain themselves and/or leave. But don't just come into our RMB and throw accusations without any proof.

I have no clue who hacked me. If I did, he would be banned already. Just look at the profile for [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], okay? 3 hours ago, it randomly left U R N in which it has been a member for over 2 years. It changed its title to "Dictatorship of" from "Technocracy of." If you look at its activity 5 days ago, you can see my posts in this region when it was hacked the first time.

Friedensreich wrote:That sounds an awful lot like feudalism, tbh.

How? Lol They aren't ruling over people and rewarding veterans for service is a pretty noble idea that has been tested long before feudalism. So again, how?

Xovland1 wrote:I have no clue who hacked me. If I did, he would be banned already. Just look at the profile for [nation=short]Xovland[/nation], okay? 3 hours ago, it randomly left U R N in which it has been a member for over 2 years. It changed its title to "Dictatorship of" from "Technocracy of." If you look at its activity 5 days ago, you can see my posts in this region when it was hacked the first time.

I don't doubt you, dude. I just can't take your word as gospel. Even if what you say is true, banning that nation from our region doesn't rectify your situation. Report it to the site mods.

Jaslandia

Magnatronia wrote:Dude, that's a really good idea?? Honestly, it'd save a lotta vets the struggle of starting their life over as a civilian when they return from duty. I mean, they'd literally have an acre to start with.

That fixes the symptom, but not the cause. To solve any problem, you need to solve the cause, not just the symptoms. Conversely, if you solve the cause, the symptoms will solve themselves.

You have to ask why veterans have issues merging back into normal life once they come back before you can try solving it. Most of the problem stems from PTSD, war-related injuries, and other deformities or disorders.

And how do you fix that? Fix the VA or give veterans access to healthcare at inexpensive prices, and provide more funding for mental illness treatment. Veterans already have the tools they need to succeed on their own- be it through free college tuition or other benefits- they just need to recover from the fighting before they can rejoin society.

Aldaur

They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

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Aldaur wrote:How? Lol They aren't ruling over people and rewarding veterans for service is a pretty noble idea that has been tested long before feudalism. So again, how?

You're talking about the government granting land to those that serve the leader :P

Aldaur

Nationstates Moderators wrote:They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

🎉🎉🎉

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Nationstates Moderators wrote:They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

Noice

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:

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Tfw you should be celebrating but don't know what happened and are scared shipless that NationStates mods showed up

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nationstates Moderators wrote:They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

Very good.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Tfw you should be celebrating but don't know what happened and are scared shipless that NationStates mods showed up

Dude came, claimed his main account had been hacked and moved to our region, told us to ban him, we suggested he contact the mods, mods got involved and ruled dude was telling the truth.

Mods deleted the offending nation (USA Minor, it would seem?) and returned dude's account to him.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Dude came, claimed his main account had been hacked and moved to our region, told us to ban him, we suggested he contact the mods, mods got involved and ruled dude was telling the truth.

Mods deleted the offending nation (USA Minor, it would seem?) and returned dude's account to him.

It is just a little bit distressing as USA Minor ran for President and received a few votes.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:

Dude came, claimed his main account had been hacked and moved to our region, told us to ban him, we suggested he contact the mods, mods got involved and ruled dude was telling the truth.

Mods deleted the offending nation (USA Minor, it would seem?) and returned dude's account to him.

Darn, USA Minor was my deputy

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:That fixes the symptom, but not the cause. To solve any problem, you need to solve the cause, not just the symptoms. Conversely, if you solve the cause, the symptoms will solve themselves.

You have to ask why veterans have issues merging back into normal life once they come back before you can try solving it. Most of the problem stems from PTSD, war-related injuries, and other deformities or disorders.

And how do you fix that? Fix the VA or give veterans access to healthcare at inexpensive prices, and provide more funding for mental illness treatment. Veterans already have the tools they need to succeed on their own- be it through free college tuition or other benefits- they just need to recover from the fighting before they can rejoin society.

And I totally agree with that! I never said we should neglect those programs, you know. You can't expect anyone to start all over again when they're jumping at shadows, half-expecting a terrorist to be around the corner. But good point Fried!

Aldaur, Vista Major, Andromitus

Oelesa wrote:

It is just a little bit distressing as USA Minor ran for President and received a few votes.

And I voted for him 😐

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nationstates Moderators wrote:They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

I want to be just like you when I grow up

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:Darn, USA Minor was my deputy

He's the General Flynn to your Donald Trump.

Russian Fedration, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major, Andromitus, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:

He's the General Flynn to your Donald Trump.

Don't.

I'm still hwounded

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- Root Canal Appreciation Day

Otherwise known as 'The Least-Celebrated Holiday of All-Time'.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1888 – Irving Berlin, Belarusian-American pianist and composer

https://youtu.be/w9QLn7gM-hY

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Sorry to hear about your cat, Peng. I was a mess when my [B]rabbit[/B] passed away. Those loveable furballs of ours have a way of digging in deep and becoming one of the family. Hope you're holding up okay <3

At first, I misread that as 'rabbi'. I thought "I didn't know ContComm was Jewish, but I don't think religious officials and pets are comparable."

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I think I'll hit the pillow.

Goodnight pals. Sweet dreams.<3

Goodnight, Peng!

Continental Commonwealths wrote:He's the General Flynn to your Donald Trump.

I don't think I would compare Vista to Donald Trump. At worst, Vista is Jimmy Carter.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Is there a timeframe for when the map will get updated, because, as far as I could tell, being on the map is necessary for roleplaying.

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Friedensreich wrote:That fixes the symptom, but not the cause. To solve any problem, you need to solve the cause, not just the symptoms. Conversely, if you solve the cause, the symptoms will solve themselves.

You have to ask why veterans have issues merging back into normal life once they come back before you can try solving it. Most of the problem stems from PTSD, war-related injuries, and other deformities or disorders.

And how do you fix that? Fix the VA or give veterans access to healthcare at inexpensive prices, and provide more funding for mental illness treatment. Veterans already have the tools they need to succeed on their own- be it through free college tuition or other benefits- they just need to recover from the fighting before they can rejoin society.

You can do that too, but that still makes people reliant on the state when they should only need to be reliant on themselves. So that actually isn't solving the problem I am trying to address. It is also a gateway to future expansion.

Not to mention, the VA is crap and illustrates why single payer would never work in America. We should give them HSAs instead and allow them to choose their provider.

Friedensreich wrote:You're talking about the government granting land to those that serve the leader :P

Lol. While humorous, is not true. The military do not serve the leader, we serve the Constitution of the United States. We may obey the orders of the officers appointed over us, which includes the President, but we do not serve the President. We don't even serve the people (though we do in practicality). We serve our founding document. It also would be Congress that would be transferring allodial titleship to us, so that is not granting land either. It is different. The word allodial is important.

Gran Baja California wrote:Is there a timeframe for when the map will get updated, because, as far as I could tell, being on the map is necessary for roleplaying.

Honestly no. Bax is on enough that his presence is absolutely known, but he does not always have time to update the map as timely as we all might wish, but as they say real life comes first. However I think if you can get a spot confirmed as yours, that should be enough to participate until Baxten can update the map.

I am not one of our RP mods though, so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Otherwise known as 'The Least-Celebrated Holiday of All-Time'.

https://youtu.be/w9QLn7gM-hY

At first, I misread that as 'rabbi'. I thought "I didn't know ContComm was Jewish, but I don't think religious officials and pets are comparable."

Goodnight, Peng!

I don't think I would compare Vista to Donald Trump. At worst, Vista is Jimmy Carter.

ContComm is Jewish, just not go-to-synagogue and have-a-rabbi Jewish.

Einsiev, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nationstates Moderators wrote:They did. We've completed our investigation, deleted the offender, and returned Xovland to its owner's control.

Talk about efficiency!

Good work, thanks!

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Honestly no. Bax is on enough that his presence is absolutely known, but he does not always have time to update the map as timely as we all might wish, but as they say real life comes first. However I think if you can get a spot confirmed as yours, that should be enough to participate until Baxten can update the map.

I am not one of our RP mods though, so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

Got it, thanks.

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:ContComm is Jewish, just not go-to-synagogue and have-a-rabbi Jewish.

So, my misreading was kinda right? Well whaddya know. I must be psychic!

jk

Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:You can do that too, but that still makes people reliant on the state when they should only need to be reliant on themselves. So that actually isn't solving the problem I am trying to address. It is also a gateway to future expansion.

Not to mention, the VA is crap and illustrates why single payer would never work in America. We should give them HSAs instead and allow them to choose their provider.

Lol. While humorous, is not true. The military do not serve the leader, we serve the Constitution of the United States. We may obey the orders of the officers appointed over us, which includes the President, but we do not serve the President. We don't even serve the people (though we do in practicality). We serve our founding document. It also would be Congress that would be transferring allodial titleship to us, so that is not granting land either. It is different. The word allodial is important.

It solves the problem very well, actually. "Reliance on the government makes people lazy and unable to succeed" is a myth from what I have experienced- and I actually am reliant on the government to survive. I am on my own Medicare plan because my mother is poor, I received free lunch during HS and Primary school, and my state (Bless you, Mitch Daniels, for creating this program) pays for all of my college tuition. If it weren't for reliance on the government, I'd likely be out on the street and not in college- which is patently not success.

And I'd say we aren't lazy. My mom works odd jobs despite being on Disability, I am a full time student earning an Economics and Political Science degree from Indiana University, and my stepfather does all the work he can to earn money for us.

Russian Fedration, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:ContComm is Jewish, just not go-to-synagogue and have-a-rabbi Jewish.

Juuuuuuuudennnnnn

Einsiev

Friedensreich wrote:It solves the problem very well, actually. "Reliance on the government makes people lazy and unable to succeed" is a myth from what I have experienced- and I actually am reliant on the government to survive. I am on my own Medicare plan because my mother is poor, I received free lunch during HS and Primary school, and my state (Bless you, Mitch Daniels, for creating this program) pays for all of my college tuition. If it weren't for reliance on the government, I'd likely be out on the street and not in college- which is patently not success.

And I'd say we aren't lazy. My mom works odd jobs despite being on Disability, I am a full time student earning an Economics and Political Science degree from Indiana University, and my stepfather does all the work he can to earn money for us.

I never said anything about being lazy. It is just cost ineffective as a program and I believe relying on the government is a barrier to freedom. The government should have programs that help people help themselves. The goal should be to get people put of poverty, not sustaim poverty. I believe that the private ownership of land to be the primary instrument for that end.

Jaslandia wrote:I don't think I would compare Vista to Donald Trump. At worst, Vista is Jimmy Carter.

...

Aldaur, The Vidnoye, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Has anyone else watched the first episode of the new BBC drama King Charles III? I'm actually really enjoying it. He dissolved Parliament! My jaw hit the floor when he did that!

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Has anyone else watched the first episode of the new BBC drama King Charles III? I'm actually really enjoying it. He dissolved Parliament! My jaw hit the floor when he did that!

Is it on Netflix or Hulu?

Friedensreich wrote:Juuuuuuuudennnnnn

https://youtu.be/A_MjCqQoLLA

Vista Major wrote:...

Is there a problem?

Friedensreich wrote:(Bless you, Mitch Daniels, for creating this program)

Are you from Indiana? Because I know there are already quite a few Indianans here.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Aldaur wrote:Is it on Netflix or Hulu?

I'm not sure. It's only one episode. I really liked it. I felt really bad for Charles. I think perhaps the most poignant line in the whole thing is, "My son. God save you." You'll see why if you watch it.

Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Juuuuuuuudennnnnn

You called?

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:Is there a problem?

https://media.giphy.com/media/26gs6vEzlpaxuYgso/giphy.gif

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Dude came, claimed his main account had been hacked and moved to our region, told us to ban him, we suggested he contact the mods, mods got involved and ruled dude was telling the truth.

Mods deleted the offending nation (USA Minor, it would seem?) and returned dude's account to him.

Vista Major wrote:Darn, USA Minor was my deputy

Serves him right imo. I, your Vice President, am your bottom bitch and NOBODY else. :D :D :D

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Einsiev wrote:You called?

https://youtu.be/Yo5aL6EqzlE

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:Serves him right imo. I, your Vice President, am your bottom bitch and NOBODY else. :D :D :D

https://ifunny.co/fun/DYLs5ywq2

Penguania And Antarctica

Vista Major wrote:https://ifunny.co/fun/DYLs5ywq2

Well then...

Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Well then...

http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/emojione/2.2.6/assets/svg/1f60f.svg

Penguania And Antarctica

Unfallious wrote:Bearlong was gonna CTE and some part of Siberia was gonna open up because I was gonna take his claim, but he came back so that's not happening anymore

Can you tell him to respond to my TG. Also, what does that mean for the Aldaur thing?

Aldaur

Baxten wrote:The Aldauri Question?

Please don't say solution :p

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/A_MjCqQoLLA

Is there a problem?

Are you from Indiana? Because I know there are already quite a few Indianans here.

Yep. Mitch Daniels and Evan Bayh are the reasons why I can afford to go to college at all.

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:Please don't say solution :p

Well, I've got a solution :P

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aldaur

Friedensreich wrote:Well, I've got a solution :P

I'll allow it, but only if you let Sean Spicer call them Holocaust Centers :p

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:I'll allow it, but only if you let Sean Spicer call them Holocaust Centers :p

Nah, they'll just be labs for weapons testing and bioweapon development using cheap Aldaurian slaves as the guinea pigs >:P

Aldaur

Baxten wrote:

Can you tell him to respond to my TG. Also, what does that mean for the Aldaur thing?

The Kolverik Empire shall rise again. Gimme Russia #VistonianImperialism

Aldaur, The Vidnoye

Friedensreich wrote:Nah, they'll just be labs for weapons testing and bioweapon development using cheap Aldaurian slaves as the guinea pigs >:P

Aldauri*

And please, Aldauri are sexy. We ain't cheap. Our nicely toned light tanned bodes are great for other forms of slavery ;) However, if you really want a bunch of crazed Aldauri to experiment on, I'd expect them to turn violent, steal your weapons and kill your scientists before bringing the weapons to Aldaur to study :p

Vista Major wrote:The Kolverik Empire shall rise again. Gimme Russia #VistonianImperialism

Lel, Vistonian Empire :p

Einsiev, Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:Lel, Vistonian Empire :p

Greatest thing I've seen all week.

Aldaur, Vista Major, The Vidnoye

Aldaur wrote:Aldauri*

How do you pronounce your nation and demonym? I always thought it was spelt Alduar and pronounced Al Du arr but after reading it and seeing the truth..now I'm confuzzled (;3

Aldaur

Andromitus wrote:How do you pronounce your nation and demonym? I always thought it was spelt Alduar and pronounced Al Du arr but after reading it and seeing the truth..now I'm confuzzled (;3

Aldaur = Al-dar (Al as in the name, and dar sounds like star)

Aldauri = Al-dar-ee (Say it like Israeli)

Andromitus

Alright, I'm all posted up for all my RP lines!

Feels good to have a break :)

Hows it going fellow regionmen?

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Yep. Mitch Daniels and Evan Bayh are the reasons why I can afford to go to college at all.

You lucky dog.

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