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Why do so many GoT fans hate Daenerys?

Nuremgard wrote:Why do so many GoT fans hate Daenerys?

Strong, self-made woman.

Nuremgard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Strong, self-made woman.

I love her. I'm a Targaryen loyalist. Always have been since the beginning of the show.

Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

Vista Major, Andromitus

Burning Tree wrote:Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

That depends on the country. Nuremgard is the epitome of my political values excluding the monarchy.

Burning Tree

Burning Tree wrote:Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

I think very few of us are libertarian. We're a liberal region in so far as most of us support liberal democracy, but I think the majority may be social democrats/democratic socialists.

I'm one of the libertarians.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Burning Tree

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I think very few of us are libertarian. We're a liberal region in so far as most of us support liberal democracy, but I think the majority may be social democrats/democratic socialists.

I'm one of the libertarians.

I love you, Cons but gross. :P

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I love you, Cons but gross. :P

And in Canada, I vote, volunteer, fundraise, and donate Conservative :P

Nuremgard, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:And in Canada, I vote, volunteer, fundraise, and donate Conservative :P

Disgusting!

Nuremgard wrote:Why do so many GoT fans hate Daenerys?

Going to give you the most unpopular opinion ever, you may very well consider me to be ugly for my emotions afterwards my dude.

I consider Daen to be an overpowered -close to exceedingly so- near Mary Sue who has been saved by stupid things having do with plot more than her own natural strength, and she then became a moral self-insertion in her battle against the slavers. [Examples: Those magic dudes who were super dumb with how they treated her and the dragons, the Slavers]

That's pretty much all of it for me.

Kalaron wrote:Going to give you the most unpopular opinion ever, you may very well consider me to be ugly for my emotions afterwards my dude.

I consider Daen to be an overpowered -close to exceedingly so- near Mary Sue who has been saved by stupid things having do with plot more than her own natural strength, and she then became a moral self-insertion in her battle against the slavers. [Examples: Those magic dudes who were super dumb with how they treated her and the dragons, the Slavers]

That's pretty much all of it for me.

[Note: I have seen four episodes to date, this was just what I saw pls don't crucify me.]

Burning Tree wrote:Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

Apart from certain literary aspects, my nation reflects my views perfectly

Kalaron wrote:Going to give you the most unpopular opinion ever, you may very well consider me to be ugly for my emotions afterwards my dude.

I consider Daen to be an overpowered -close to exceedingly so- near Mary Sue who has been saved by stupid things having do with plot more than her own natural strength, and she then became a moral self-insertion in her battle against the slavers. [Examples: Those magic dudes who were super dumb with how they treated her and the dragons, the Slavers]

That's pretty much all of it for me.

Hmm. Off with your head, traitor.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:[Note: I have seen four episodes to date, this was just what I saw pls don't crucify me.]

A New Vegas meme is necessary.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/68/6855e2b5d785b5d3dcce5745e023b30632b7e9aeb142ef223b0b99bf03937c1c.jpg

Burning Tree wrote:Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

I do, for the most part. I'm a democratic socialist

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Burning Tree

Nuremgard wrote:Hmm. Off with your head, traitor.

Kalaron wrote:[Note: I have seen four episodes to date, this was just what I saw pls don't crucify me.]

You did I asked, thank you.

Nuremgard

Kalaron wrote:You did I asked, thank you.

The reasons I support Dany for the throne.

1) Her family united the Seven Kingdoms into one realm and ruled it for nearly 3 centuries. I believe she has the only legitimate claim to the throne.

2) I believe her to be a fair ruler who shows both justice and mercy.

3) I believe her to be a mostly benevolent ruler who genuinely cares about her people.

4) She has dragons. And dragons are awesome.

Nuremgard wrote:The reasons I support Dany for the throne.

1) Her family united the Seven Kingdoms into one realm and ruled it for nearly 3 centuries. I believe she has the only legitimate claim to the throne.

2) I believe her to be a fair ruler who shows both justice and mercy.

3) I believe her to be a mostly benevolent ruler who genuinely cares about her people.

4) She has dragons. And dragons are awesome.

Mate, I dont watch really, so number 1 flew over my head.

Man I just came out as bi to my friends so maybe this cold has one good thing in that it's harder to be shy when I'm nearly incapable of balanced standing.

Nuremgard

Vista Major wrote:I do, for the most part. I'm a democratic socialist

Continental Commonwealths wrote:And in Canada, I vote, volunteer, fundraise, and donate Conservative :P

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I think very few of us are libertarian. We're a liberal region in so far as most of us support liberal democracy, but I think the majority may be social democrats/democratic socialists.

I'm one of the libertarians.

Nuremgard wrote:That depends on the country. Nuremgard is the epitome of my political values excluding the monarchy.

Interesting results. I tend to hold overall libertarian views, but I do agree with Republicans and Democrats on some non libertarian issues (immigration, global warming, foreign aid).

Nuremgard

Burning Tree wrote:Interesting results. I tend to hold overall libertarian views, but I do agree with Republicans and Democrats on some non libertarian issues (immigration, global warming, foreign aid).

I'm a left-wing Scottish nationalist.

Burning Tree wrote:Interesting results. I tend to hold overall libertarian views, but I do agree with Republicans and Democrats on some non libertarian issues (immigration, global warming, foreign aid).

I took a foreign aid and development course back in the day. Boy, was I unpopular.

Nuremgard

Burning Tree wrote:Hey all. Quick question to all of you. Since this is a libertarian/liberal (I assume classic liberal) region, how many of you here hold the same views IRL as you do in NS?

Imma filthy anarchist commie.

Nuremgard

Friedensreich wrote:Imma filthy anarchist commie.

So.... You're an AnSoc?

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I took a foreign aid and development course back in the day. Boy, was I unpopular.

Are you against foreign aid?

Burning Tree wrote:So.... You're an AnSoc?

Are you against foreign aid?

God no. AnCom- AnSoc makes no sense.

Burning Tree wrote:So.... You're an AnSoc?

Are you against foreign aid?

Nice flag.

Friedensreich wrote:God no. AnCom- AnSoc makes no sense.

Interesting, because from the way I see it, AnSoc makes more sense than AnCom as Communism requires more state control than Socialism (this is where the saying "Socialism leads to Communism" comes in, as you become more Communist, you also become more Authoritarian). I'm not a big expert in the various forms of Anarchy, so I can't make a proper analysis of the different versions of it. On a political spectrum I fall dangerously close to being an AnCap yet I disagree with a lot of their issues and such.

Nuremgard wrote:Nice flag.

Thanks, I made it for my main nation a while back and decided to swap it out with the original flag I made for this nation.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Burning Tree wrote:Are you against foreign aid?

Good God, yes. I'm not even for equalization payments between provinces, so I certainly don't agree with foreign aid. Especially when Canada has an entire demographic within its own borders that is widely living in third world conditions.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Good God, yes. I'm not even for equalization payments between provinces, so I certainly don't agree with foreign aid. Especially when Canada has an entire demographic within its own borders that is widely living in third world conditions.

Right, you're from Canada. I'm generally against foreign aid with the exception of Israel, then again, the reason I support foreign aid for Israel is more due to personal reasons rather than political.

Continental Commonwealths

Burning Tree wrote:Right, you're from Canada. I'm generally against foreign aid with the exception of Israel, then again, the reason I support foreign aid for Israel is more due to personal reasons rather than political.

Interesting. May I ask why?

Burning Tree wrote:Interesting, because from the way I see it, AnSoc makes more sense than AnCom as Communism requires more state control than Socialism (this is where the saying "Socialism leads to Communism" comes in, as you become more Communist, you also become more Authoritarian). I'm not a big expert in the various forms of Anarchy, so I can't make a proper analysis of the different versions of it. On a political spectrum I fall dangerously close to being an AnCap yet I disagree with a lot of their issues and such.

That's incorrect at its core. Communism is inherently anarchist. No matter which version of it you follow, your end goal is a stateless and classless society. So there is no state control over anything in communism.

The only difference between these ideologies is how you get to that point.

Marxists (who have been the inspiration behind those of Lenin and Mao) think a "socialist" stage of development should be necessary under a dictatorship of the working class until the state withers away, and communities and cities run the show at the local level.

Now, AnComs, like myself, think this "Socialist" stage should be skipped in its entirety, and once capitalists have been removed from power, the state should immediately be disbanded before another tyrannical minority in power takes control over the majority. As for afterwards, like the Marxists, AnComs want to allow local and direct democratic governments to run the show in communities.

The reason AnSoc makes no sense is because Socialism requires a state to function. In every branch of Socialism out there- be it from Market Socialists to DemSocs- require a centralized state.

Burning Tree

Burning Tree wrote:Right, you're from Canada. I'm generally against foreign aid with the exception of Israel, then again, the reason I support foreign aid for Israel is more due to personal reasons rather than political.

That's an oddly specific/narrow choice.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Interesting. May I ask why?

Sure. A lot of my family members are Jewish, so are a lot of my friends. My relatives and the relatives of my friends all came from the Soviet Union, where Jews were discriminated against for an amplitude of reasons. It all boils down to the fact that Judaism promotes intellectual prosperity and critical thinking, something that makes many people envious and jealous, hence why many people view Jews as "privileged". Israel, IMO, offers a safe haven for Jews from all across the world, it is the ancestral home of the Jews, as a people, not just as a religious group. Even to this day, the nations surrounding Israel constantly find ways to attack it. The UN has condemned Israel at least 200 times via 200+ separate bills for BS reasons, while countries like Saudi Arabia are put on the human rights council with a track record of horrible humans rights abuse. In the end, it comes down to the fact that if the US doesn't support Israel, it might as well fail because the majority of the world is against it.

Continental Commonwealths, Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:That's incorrect at its core. Communism is inherently anarchist. No matter which version of it you follow, your end goal is a stateless and classless society. So there is no state control over anything in communism.

The only difference between these ideologies is how you get to that point.

Marxists (who have been the inspiration behind those of Lenin and Mao) think a "socialist" stage of development should be necessary under a dictatorship of the working class until the state withers away, and communities and cities run the show at the local level.

Now, AnComs, like myself, think this "Socialist" stage should be skipped in its entirety, and once capitalists have been removed from power, the state should immediately be disbanded before another tyrannical minority in power takes control over the majority. As for afterwards, like the Marxists, AnComs want to allow local and direct democratic governments to run the show in communities.

The reason AnSoc makes no sense is because Socialism requires a state to function. In every branch of Socialism out there- be it from Market Socialists to DemSocs- require a centralized state.

Right, thanks for the clarification.

Friedensreich

Burning Tree wrote:Sure. A lot of my family members are Jewish, so are a lot of my friends. My relatives and the relatives of my friends all came from the Soviet Union, where Jews were discriminated against for an amplitude of reasons. It all boils down to the fact that Judaism promotes intellectual prosperity and critical thinking, something that makes many people envious and jealous, hence why many people view Jews as "privileged". Israel, IMO, offers a safe haven for Jews from all across the world, it is the ancestral home of the Jews, as a people, not just as a religious group. Even to this day, the nations surrounding Israel constantly find ways to attack it. The UN has condemned Israel at least 200 times via 200+ separate bills for BS reasons, while countries like Saudi Arabia are put on the human rights council with a track record of horrible humans rights abuse. In the end, it comes down to the fact that if the US doesn't support Israel, it might as well fail because the majority of the world is against it.

I don't deny the UN's hypocrisy in regards to KSA but surely even you can see Israel does sh!tty things to the Palestinians?

Burning Tree wrote:Right, you're from Canada. I'm generally against foreign aid with the exception of Israel, then again, the reason I support foreign aid for Israel is more due to personal reasons rather than political.

I'm no fan of foreign aid for anyone, nor intervention in areas such as the Middle East and other areas. As an American, I think we should still have NATO and NAFTA in place, but us as a nation need to slash military to be for defense, put stricter requirements for welfare and other domestic aid, have enviromental and work condition regulations, but not to the point where a company can't afford itself, encourage but not necessarily invest in renewable energy, rather gradually implenting change, establish a cost effective but wide-reaching healthcare system (I know, much easier said then done), bring jobs back to America with lower corporate and industrial taxes (again, easier said then done), etc.. I'm personally trying to figure out everything I support or am against, so this subject to change.

Continental Commonwealths

Burning Tree wrote:Sure. A lot of my family members are Jewish, so are a lot of my friends. My relatives and the relatives of my friends all came from the Soviet Union, where Jews were discriminated against for an amplitude of reasons. It all boils down to the fact that Judaism promotes intellectual prosperity and critical thinking, something that makes many people envious and jealous, hence why many people view Jews as "privileged". Israel, IMO, offers a safe haven for Jews from all across the world, it is the ancestral home of the Jews, as a people, not just as a religious group. Even to this day, the nations surrounding Israel constantly find ways to attack it. The UN has condemned Israel at least 200 times via 200+ separate bills for BS reasons, while countries like Saudi Arabia are put on the human rights council with a track record of horrible humans rights abuse. In the end, it comes down to the fact that if the US doesn't support Israel, it might as well fail because the majority of the world is against it.

I liked your bit about Saudi Arabia, but I'm in favor of Palestine being recognized worldwide as a sovereign state, and Israel to kick Nuttyahu out.

Nuremgard

Burning Tree wrote:Sure. A lot of my family members are Jewish, so are a lot of my friends. My relatives and the relatives of my friends all came from the Soviet Union, where Jews were discriminated against for an amplitude of reasons. It all boils down to the fact that Judaism promotes intellectual prosperity and critical thinking, something that makes many people envious and jealous, hence why many people view Jews as "privileged". Israel, IMO, offers a safe haven for Jews from all across the world, it is the ancestral home of the Jews, as a people, not just as a religious group. Even to this day, the nations surrounding Israel constantly find ways to attack it. The UN has condemned Israel at least 200 times via 200+ separate bills for BS reasons, while countries like Saudi Arabia are put on the human rights council with a track record of horrible humans rights abuse. In the end, it comes down to the fact that if the US doesn't support Israel, it might as well fail because the majority of the world is against it.

I agree with most of this. And any statement I can spin into distaste for the UN is okay in my book :P Do you identify as Jewish yourself?

Baxten wrote:I'm no fan of foreign aid for anyone, nor intervention in areas such as the Middle East and other areas. As an American, I think we should still have NATO and NAFTA in place, but us as a nation need to slash military to be for defense, put stricter requirements for welfare and other domestic aid, have enviromental and work condition regulations, but not to the point where a company can't afford itself, encourage but not necessarily invest in renewable energy, rather gradually implenting change, establish a cost effective but wide-reaching healthcare system (I know, much easier said then done), bring jobs back to America with lower corporate and industrial taxes (again, easier said then done), etc.. I'm personally trying to figure out everything I support or am against, so this subject to change.

The way I see it, you shouldn't have to change your views nearly at all!

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I agree with most of this. And any statement I can spin into distaste for the UN is okay in my book :P Do you identify as Jewish yourself?The way I see it, you shouldn't have to change your views nearly at all!

The only thing I'm concerned about is allowing China to gain influence, which i think can only really be fixed if we (US, Canada, and other allies) rev up industrial production. Of course, this brings pollution, which I have yet to think of a solution for.

Baxten wrote:The only thing I'm concerned about is allowing China to gain influence, which i think can only really be fixed if we (US, Canada, and other allies) rev up industrial production. Of course, this brings pollution, which I have yet to think of a solution for.

>.>

The Southern States Of New America wrote:For the record, despite the confederate undertones of my nation I live in Pennsylvania (not in the the south for anyone not familiar with the states) and I'm quite anti-trump. I'm glad the confederates lost the civil war. I only made this nation cuz it was PERFECT for 96 on the map...but I was one day too late ;-;

Plot 96 is still available to be claimed!

Friedensreich

So it would be great if people would reply on the OOC of the Sulania RP would be great. I know Latrovia and I both are awaiting responses for quite a while now. A little ridiculous it's gone on this long. I mean, it's already started and we've still been ignored.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Magnatronia

Baxten wrote:The only thing I'm concerned about is allowing China to gain influence, which i think can only really be fixed if we (US, Canada, and other allies) rev up industrial production. Of course, this brings pollution, which I have yet to think of a solution for.

What's wrong with China gaining influence? Would be a good counterbalance to American imperialism and hegemony in my opinion.

Friedensreich

Fried, did you post a picture of your boyfriend on the rmb?!

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Fried, did you post a picture of your boyfriend on the rmb?!

Yep!

Friedensreich wrote:Yep!

I'm not sure what my boyfriend would do to me if I did that, but he's a hunter and I've never experienced him angry at me so I don't ever want to know.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I'm not sure what my boyfriend would do to me if I did that, but he's a hunter and I've never experienced him angry at me so I don't ever want to know.

He doesn't know that I use NS. Besides, if he does ever find out, I'm in trouble from the start because I said he was mine.

Friedensreich wrote:He doesn't know that I use NS. Besides, if he does ever find out, I'm in trouble from the start because I said he was mine.

O.o

Well. That sounds about as healthy as a garden salad.

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:He doesn't know that I use NS. Besides, if he does ever find out, I'm in trouble from the start because I said he was mine.

Possessiveness is hot (as long as it's not violent or obsessive.)

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Continental Commonwealths wrote:O.o

Well. That sounds about as healthy as a garden salad.

Says the guy who is worried about his man getting angry because he's a hunter.

Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Says the guy who is worried about his man getting angry because he's a hunter.

Haha, point made.

I mean, he's even tempered as hell. But he also knows how to professionally skin and gut a deer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:O.o

Well. That sounds about as healthy as a garden salad.

He's still in the closet, remember? And he's really paranoid about his friends and family finding out (reminds me of this one story, actually). But, since this is NS and 99% of the people here don't know me or him irl, it's no big deal at all. It'd be a whole different story if y'all were in Indiana and knew us.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Haha, point made.

I mean, he's even tempered as hell. But he also knows how to professionally skin and gut a deer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I could never date a guy like that. He sounds psychopathic.

Nuremgard wrote:I could never date a guy like that. He sounds psychopathic.

I love me a man that can make me venison jerky.

Friedensreich wrote:I love me a man that can make me venison jerky.

You Yanks and Canadians are aff yer heids as we would say in Scotland.

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:I could never date a guy like that. He sounds psychopathic.

Bahaha. Given the amount of people in Canada who hunt, I'm not sure that's accurate. Unless Canada has a reputation for psychopathy that I was never aware of. *eyes the totally stable behemoth to the south*

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:You Yanks and Canadians are aff yer heids as we would say in Scotland.

Hun, I'm no yank. My family is as Southern as it gets!

United Continental States

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Bahaha. Given the amount of people in Canada who hunt, I'm not sure that's accurate. Unless Canada has a reputation for psychopathy that I was never aware of. *eyes the totally stable behemoth to the south*

You're all gun-obsessed, hunting nutters. Killing animals for fun. That's f*cked up.

Friedensreich wrote:Hun, I'm no yank. My family is as Southern as it gets!

Still a Yank (American), babe.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:You're all gun-obsessed, hunting nutters. Killing animals for fun. That's f*cked up.

Still a Yank (American), babe.

Nah, yanks are from the North. Calling a Southerner a Yank is probably the worst insult ever, because the South has its own distinct lifestyle and culture from the rest of the US. Basically, it's like calling a German a Nazi.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:You're all gun-obsessed, hunting nutters. Killing animals for fun. That's f*cked up.

Still a Yank (American), babe.

His family eats them! Except the coyotes, but those fvckers terrorize and kill livestock like it's their job. So, still kinda for food in an indirect sort of way.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:His family eats them!

Saturn?

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Nah, yanks are from the North. Calling a Southerner a Yank is probably the worst insult ever, because the South has its own distinct lifestyle and culture from the rest of the US. Basically, it's like calling a German a Nazi.

Fair enough. I'd be pissed off if you called me a Brit.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:His family eats them! Except the coyotes, but those fvckers terrorize and kill livestock like it's their job. So, still kinda for food in an indirect sort of way.

Still not keen on the gun and hunting culture in the US and Canada.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Fair enough. I'd be pissed off if you called me a Brit.

Still not keen on the gun and hunting culture in the US and Canada.

Hunting, sure. But suggesting Canadian and US gun cultures are similar is like saying that Saw 2 was a great sequel to the The Little Mermaid

Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Hunting, sure. But suggesting Canadian and US gun cultures are similar is like saying that Saw 2 was a great sequel to the The Little Mermaid

I know Canada isn't as bad but still.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I know Canada isn't as bad but still.

Lemme put it this way. Not many people hunt anymore, but those that do are really, really, obsessed with it. It's like their entire life.

Nuremgard wrote:I know Canada isn't as bad but still.

"I know it's a bit farfetched, but still- Arielle and that puppet could really bring a sense of morality to the world!"

"Unfortunately, your time as a writer for Disney has come to an end."

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Lemme put it this way. Not many people hunt anymore, but those that do are really, really, obsessed with it. It's like their entire life.

Scary.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:"I know it's a bit farfetched, but still- Arielle and that puppet could really bring a sense of morality to the world!"

"Unfortunately, your time as a writer for Disney has come to an end."

Well, whatever cooks your pudding.

Penguania And Antarctica

The Empire Of Handland wrote:So it would be great if people would reply on the OOC of the Sulania RP would be great. I know Latrovia and I both are awaiting responses for quite a while now. A little ridiculous it's gone on this long. I mean, it's already started and we've still been ignored.

Seriously! It's outrageous how some of the people here are ignored.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Scary.

Well, whatever cooks your pudding.

Come now, hunters aren't involved in violent crime any more than other demographics. The Vice President notwithstanding. Then your friend's face suddenly looks like a flock of fowl.

People at Notre Dame stood up and turned their backs to VP Pence when he gave his commencement address. I would have never done that to VP Cheney. He would have shot them, witnesses be damned.

Friedensreich wrote:I liked your bit about Saudi Arabia, but I'm in favor of Palestine being recognized worldwide as a sovereign state, and Israel to kick Nuttyahu out.

The situation with Palestine is that they have no legitimate claim to the land while the Jews do. With that said, it's not morally the right thing to do to just say "sod off Palestinians, this is our land". A two state solution has been offered by Israel to Palestine far too many times, each one of them rejected for various reasons, all of them BS with the main underlying reason being that the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab nations want to see Israel completely wiped off the map. To put it in perspective, there are 50 Muslim majority countries and only 1 Jewish majority country which occupies barely any land (a small portion of its actual ancestral land as it was forced to give up large amounts of it), a two state solution is already actually partially in place in certain areas of Israel where Palestinians have nearly if not full control of the local government. Now, does it sound fair for Israel to give up even more of its land to Arabs who already dominate the entire Middle East, nearly all of North Africa and the majority of South East Asian countries, especially considering Israel controls only a fraction of its ancestral land?

United Continental States

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Come now, hunters aren't involved in violent crime any more than other demographics. The Vice President notwithstanding. Then your friend's face suddenly looks like a flock of fowl.

People at Notre Dame stood up and turned their backs to VP Pence when he gave his commencement address. I would have never done that to VP Cheney. He would have shot them, witnesses be damned.

I still find the idea of people taking pleasure in hunting and killing an animal unsettling and that is not the kind of person I'd like to spend much time with. Or if I did, I certainly would not like to discuss their "hobby." Or if we did end up talking about it, then I'd be blunt about what I thought about them and what they do.

Hope hunters have thicker skins than the animals they kill.

Nuremgard wrote:I still find the idea of people taking pleasure in hunting and killing an animal unsettling and that is not the kind of person I'd like to spend much time with. Or if I did, I certainly would not like to discuss their "hobby." Or if we did end up talking about it, then I'd be blunt about what I thought about them and what they do.

Hope hunters have thicker skins than the animals they kill.

All good points. Lord knows how I wish our ancestors had just stayed in those ponds! Especially when I walk by a fish tank that hasn't been cleaned in a while- man, that algea looks tasty! :P

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:What's wrong with China gaining influence? Would be a good counterbalance to American imperialism and hegemony in my opinion.

I mean China becoming dominant.

Baxten wrote:I mean China becoming dominant.

Eh. Things change. America's had a long enough run of things. Time for China to step up.

Friedensreich, Burning Tree

Nuremgard wrote:I still find the idea of people taking pleasure in hunting and killing an animal unsettling and that is not the kind of person I'd like to spend much time with. Or if I did, I certainly would not like to discuss their "hobby." Or if we did end up talking about it, then I'd be blunt about what I thought about them and what they do.

Hope hunters have thicker skins than the animals they kill.

I similarly don't see a lot of pleasure in simply hunting animals, but if you directly depend on them for food.. Well that's a whole different story.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:Eh. Things change. America's had a long enough run of things. Time for China to step up.

As long as China doesn't follow in our footsteps and becomes the next imperialist nation and our economy doesn't suffer from it then I'm cool.

Nuremgard, Baxten

Burning Tree wrote:I similarly don't see a lot of pleasure in simply hunting animals, but if you directly depend on them for food.. Well that's a whole different story.

Hunting to eat I understand (I eat meat so I cant complain about that.) But hunting for pleasure or sport. That's wrong.

Burning Tree

The Empire Of Handland wrote:So it would be great if people would reply on the OOC of the Sulania RP would be great. I know Latrovia and I both are awaiting responses for quite a while now. A little ridiculous it's gone on this long. I mean, it's already started and we've still been ignored.

Magnatronia wrote:Seriously! It's outrageous how some of the people here are ignored.

Yea guys, in actuality thats what, three times we've overlooked Handland and several others? Just pointing to Handland because he's the loudest but this is getting kinda silly -_-

Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Burning Tree wrote:As long as China doesn't follow in our footsteps and becomes the next imperialist nation and our economy doesn't suffer from it then I'm cool.

China is imperialistic. Just not in the same way the US is.

Burning Tree

Nuremgard wrote:Hunting to eat I understand (I eat meat so I cant complain about that.) But hunting for pleasure or sport. That's wrong.

Debatable, but I totally understand your point. Humans are omnivores (herbivores and carnivores), so it's natural for us to feel some sort of pleasure or rush in hunting as it gives us a sense of accomplishment or superiority.

Andromitus wrote:Yea guys, in actuality thats what, three times we've overlooked Handland and several others? Just pointing to Handland because he's the loudest but this is getting kinda silly -_-

Who are these "guys"? The RP mods? Maybe tag them in these comments to bring their attention to it?

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:China is imperialistic. Just not in the same way the US is.

Totally. Just as long as they don't start another World War or the likes of that, it's fine.

Nuremgard wrote:Eh. Things change. America's had a long enough run of things. Time for China to step up.

I mean, I'd rather Singaporean State Capitalism to become dominant over the Chinese one. I'm not a fan of China or their government. Now, I think they could change with reform, but the corruption of the CCP is a bit much for me to just let flourish, at least in the state they're in now.

United Continental States

Burning Tree wrote:Debatable, but I totally understand your point. Humans are omnivores (herbivores and carnivores), so it's natural for us to feel some sort of pleasure or rush in hunting as it gives us a sense of accomplishment or superiority.

Some humans. Count me out of that "natural" feeling.

Baxten wrote:I mean, I'd rather Singaporean State Capitalism to become dominant over the Chinese one. I'm not a fan of China or their government. Now, I think they could change with reform, but the corruption of the CCP is a bit much for me to just let flourish, at least in the state they're in now.

Well America and its corrupt government has been flourishing. China and America both do sh!tty things to achieve their aims.

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:Well America and its corrupt government has been flourishing. China and America both do sh!tty things to achieve their aims.

Yes, but we're not authoritarian. China, well, y'know

If we're talking about how I'd really want it, I'd rather no superpower, with every nation not having an extreme amount of dominance over others. That or many great powers that balance each other.

Nuremgard, United Continental States

Yo, Nurem. I'm have a bone to pick with Tang. They beat me at everything! Lowest tax burden?! *rages*

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Who are these "guys"? The RP mods? Maybe tag them in these comments to bring their attention to it?

Or better yet, send telegrams instead of making one off comments on the RMB.

Andromitus wrote:Yea guys, in actuality thats what, three times we've overlooked Handland and several others? Just pointing to Handland because he's the loudest but this is getting kinda silly -_-

I mean, I don't think it's indicative of a trend since Sul has been kinda laser focused on my health before I went to a doctor and I just had trouble mounting the stairs to my room, but I'll look their App over tonight.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Who are these "guys"? The RP mods? Maybe tag them in these comments to bring their attention to it?

Yea I meant to do that, but it still works as this happened before with Handlands citizenship :-/ and actually nobody was talking to him as he posted about the problem on the RMB...

[nation=short]Sulania[/nation] or [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation] if your able and not stressed from real life, could you read over the Sulanian Civil War RP OOC and work with this :)

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths

Kalaron wrote:Or better yet, send telegrams instead of making one off comments on the RMB.

I mean, I don't think it's indicative of a trend since Sul has been kinda laser focused on my health before I went to a doctor and I just had trouble mounting the stairs to my room, but I'll look their App over tonight.

Beat me too it, thank you; And I don't think its some trend of hate against Handland, I just find it a bit funny in this instance :)

Andromitus wrote:Beat me too it, thank you; And I don't think its some trend of hate against Handland, I just find it a bit funny in this instance :)

I supported his plan to resurrect Francisco Franco. I even checked out a book about necromancy from the library.

Apparently facists are restricted from resurrection. Strange rules, those necromancers.

Jaslandia, Andromitus

Burning Tree wrote:The situation with Palestine is that they have no legitimate claim to the land while the Jews do. With that said, it's not morally the right thing to do to just say "sod off Palestinians, this is our land". A two state solution has been offered by Israel to Palestine far too many times, each one of them rejected for various reasons, all of them BS with the main underlying reason being that the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab nations want to see Israel completely wiped off the map. To put it in perspective, there are 50 Muslim majority countries and only 1 Jewish majority country which occupies barely any land (a small portion of its actual ancestral land as it was forced to give up large amounts of it), a two state solution is already actually partially in place in certain areas of Israel where Palestinians have nearly if not full control of the local government. Now, does it sound fair for Israel to give up even more of its land to Arabs who already dominate the entire Middle East, nearly all of North Africa and the majority of South East Asian countries, especially considering Israel controls only a fraction of its ancestral land?

The problem with that is that the "because it's my ancestral land so I should have it back" argument is a very slippery slope.

For example, my ancestral land in the German Empire's Prussian region is no longer a part of Germany. It's part of Poland and Russia these days.

Does that automatically make it right to lay claim that it should be German because my ancestors were German and came from the area? Of course not. It's Polish and Russian now- I have to accept that what was once German is now no longer German.

The same concept applies to the Middle East. The area was designated as Palestine by the French and English after WW1 and was under the rule of the Ottomans for centuries before them. The area is no longer a part of Israel, and hasn't been since before the Romans took the area over two millennia ago.

That said, I'd be all for a Two State Solution, but under the circumstances that Netanyahu is removed from office and Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state worldwide and offered full membership to the UN.

Burning Tree

Friedensreich wrote:The problem with that is that the "because it's my ancestral land so I should have it back" argument is a very slippery slope.

For example, my ancestral land in the German Empire's Prussian region is no longer a part of Germany. It's part of Poland and Russia these days.

Does that automatically make it right to lay claim that it should be German because my ancestors were German and came from the area? Of course not. It's Polish and Russian now- I have to accept that what was once German is now no longer German.

The same concept applies to the Middle East. The area was designated as Palestine by the French and English after WW1 and was under the rule of the Ottomans for centuries before them. The area is no longer a part of Israel, and hasn't been since before the Romans took the area over two millennia ago.

That said, I'd be all for a Two State Solution, but under the circumstances that Netanyahu is removed from office and Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state worldwide and offered full membership to the UN.

The difference between the example you pointed out and the current one is that in your example, the land was taken by force. The land was simply given to the Palestinians, they never had to defend it, they never had to fight for it, etc.. The Israelis had to. If you're interested, please consider reading this article: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-claim-to-the-land-of-israel

Burning Tree wrote:The difference between the example you pointed out and the current one is that in your example, the land was taken by force. The land was simply given to the Palestinians, they never had to defend it, they never had to fight for it, etc.. The Israelis had to. If you're interested, please consider reading this article: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-claim-to-the-land-of-israel

Correction, by Israelis I mean the Jews since Israelis includes both Jews and Arabs.

Burning Tree wrote:The difference between the example you pointed out and the current one is that in your example, the land was taken by force. The land was simply given to the Palestinians, they never had to defend it, they never had to fight for it, etc.. The Israelis had to. If you're interested, please consider reading this article: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-claim-to-the-land-of-israel

The Ottomans fought to take it, fought to defend it, and the Palestinians fought for its independence. They revolted against the British during the 1930's for independence, and are fighting Israel for recognition and independence right now.

Burning Tree

Friedensreich wrote:The Ottomans fought to take it, fought to defend it, and the Palestinians fought for its independence. They revolted against the British during the 1930's for independence, and are fighting Israel for recognition and independence right now.

Point taken. Obviously each of us have our own biases and we seem to not be able to reach a mutually agreeable conclusion.

Andromitus

Burning Tree wrote:Point taken. Obviously each of us have our own biases and we seem to not be able to reach a mutually agreeable conclusion.

Welcome to the region, its gonna happen a lot :)

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Burning Tree

The Vidnoye wrote:Welcome to the region, its gonna happen a lot :)

Oh I totally expect that. I love debating, but I do understand that sometimes people can't agree on a solution for issue because there's more than one way to solve it as seen here in this debate, which can create a separate debate on whos solution is the better one.

Merlinton, Penguania And Antarctica

Burning Tree wrote:Point taken. Obviously each of us have our own biases and we seem to not be able to reach a mutually agreeable conclusion.

I wouldn't say that.

While the problem will likely not be solved in our lifetimes, we did agree on one thing... we both like the Two State Solution.

Burning Tree

Kalaron wrote:Or better yet, send telegrams instead of making one off comments on the RMB.

I mean, I don't think it's indicative of a trend since Sul has been kinda laser focused on my health before I went to a doctor and I just had trouble mounting the stairs to my room, but I'll look their App over tonight.

I was never saying anything about people against me by the way, but you are right I should have sent a TG as well. I knew Sulania was obviously a moderator, but I had no idea who else was. I do apologize and I'll keep that in mind for the future. Feel better.

Jaslandia

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