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Baxten wrote:SLHC?

L-large

H-hadron

C-collider

The "S" would sta d for super, as it would be longer and more powerful.

Russian Fedration, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

>allow people to sell their organs for money, allowing the free market, liberty and freedom of choice to prevail

>re-become a leaf leaning college state

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Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:You were my brother, Kalaron, I loved you!

Yuk no lie if you cut my arm and my legs off I may be slighlty p!ssy for a long long stretch of time

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Yuk no lie if you cut my arm and my legs off I may be slighlty p!ssy for a long long stretch of time

A young weapons dealer named Kalaron, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Socialists hunt down and destroy the democracy supporters. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the democracy supporters are all but extinct. Kalaron was seduced by the dark side of the RP.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

I'm going to let people hire out the EC for peacekeeping among other things this is how we will make money off yalls nations.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:Yuk no lie if you cut my arm and my legs off I may be slighlty p!ssy for a long long stretch of time

Yukona wrote:A young weapons dealer named Kalaron, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Socialists hunt down and destroy the democracy supporters. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the democracy supporters are all but extinct. Kalaron was seduced by the dark side of the RP.

There's a line, you know. You did more than cross it- you've gone so far you've crossed it again.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Aghrabia wrote:There's a line, you know. You did more than cross it- you've gone so far you've crossed it again.

Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Aghrabia wrote:There's a line, you know. You did more than cross it- you've gone so far you've crossed it again.

So he went across the globe and crossed the line? Twice?

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Yukona

Who's the weapons dealer?

Kalaron wrote:Yuk no lie if you cut my arm and my legs off I may be slighlty p!ssy for a long long stretch of time

https://youtu.be/WWaLxFIVX1s

Russian Fedration wrote:Who's the weapons dealer?

That's one of the EC's more lucrative lines of work.

Russian Fedration

Baxten wrote:So he went across the globe and crossed the line? Twice?

No, they were next to the line, crossed it, then went around the globe and crossed it again.

Yukona wrote:Who's more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?

Read my lips: *mouth shapes approximating a "Fųck you"*

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:I'm going to let people hire out the EC for peacekeeping among other things this is how we will make money off yalls nations.

I ain't gonna say they can't (that's a domestic issue so I don't even want any say) but hopefully they'd use some MT alternatives.

Yukona wrote:A young weapons dealer named Kalaron, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Socialists hunt down and destroy the democracy supporters. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the democracy supporters are all but extinct. Kalaron was seduced by the dark side of the RP.

>pupil

Child, nah.

Russian Fedration wrote:Who's the weapons dealer?

I write highly detailed articles and then sell the aforementioned weapon design, so I am.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:I ain't gonna say they can't (that's a domestic issue so I don't even want any say) but hopefully they'd use some MT alternatives.

>pupil

Child, nah.

The EC is based off of EFEC from Tom Clancy's End War that game took place around 2020 they are withen the guidelines. But I will figure out a different suit for the spec ops and will mark the MCC as non canon.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:I write highly detailed articles and then sell the aforementioned weapon design, so I am.

Well smuggle them for you.

Aghrabia wrote:No, they were next to the line, crossed it, then went around the globe and crossed it again.Read my lips: *mouth shapes approximating a "Fųck you"*

I've got a bad feeling about this

Jaslandia, Aghrabia

Kalaron wrote:I write highly detailed articles and then sell the aforementioned weapon design, so I am.

Alrighty

I may send you a TG once I'm confirmed

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:The EC is based off of EFEC from Tom Clancy's End War that game took place around 2020 they are withen the guidelines. But I will figure out a different suit for the spec ops and will mark the MCC as non canon.

I mean, I'd argue "Katana launchers", armour that can stop everything up to an anti-materiel round, "Forge guns", "Noxcium", "Microfusion cells", advanced robotic muscular systems that can operate for extended periods of time, Railguns, Soldier HUDs, Shields, and most of your vehicles are beyond MT or the limit we set.

Lasers are banned, again, on account of upsetting RP sanity.

Yukona

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:Well smuggle them for you.

Kalaron does not smuggle.

The only people to smuggle weapons to are unreputible and generally terrible people.

Aghrabia, Definitely Not Helghan, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:I mean, I'd argue "Katana launchers", armour that can stop everything up to an anti-materiel round, "Forge guns", "Noxcium", "Microfusion cells", advanced robotic muscular systems that can operate for extended periods of time, Railguns, Soldier HUDs, Shields, and most of your vehicles are beyond MT or the limit we set.

Lasers are banned, again, on account of upsetting RP sanity.

Actually modern US and Russia have what are known as THEL (Tactical High Energy Lasers) systems they are used to target aircraft and missiles. Obama attempted to have ours dismantled but it was overturned by congress. As proof

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/ChemicalHighEnergyLaser/TacticalHighEnergyLaser/Documents/pageDocuments/SPIE_Manuscript_Tactical_high-.pdf

Most of my vehicle armor can withstand small arms fire as is normal at the range limit. My more armored vehicles can withstand a couple of tank rounds. The lighter can withstand up to a 50 cal but under intense fire the armor can be pierced by standard rifle rounds such as a 7.62. A couple rifle rounds to the glass is enough to blap through it as it can't stop everything. Like I said I will act like they are in the set limit but I don't really want to change anything incase one of my friends join NS because then when they find a region they like I might pop in there. That and I'm not the only one who works on the RP for this nation and it was a 2-1 vote to leave the last region.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:Kalaron does not smuggle.

The only people to smuggle weapons to are unreputible and generally terrible people.

That's one of the contracts that can be discussed with the EC although it is incredibly expensive as they tend to charge extra so they can cover up the operation successfully.

Russian Fedration

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:Actually modern US and Russia have what are known as THEL (Tactical High Energy Lasers) systems they are used to target aircraft and missiles. Obama attempted to have ours dismantled but it was overturned by congress. As proof

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/ChemicalHighEnergyLaser/TacticalHighEnergyLaser/Documents/pageDocuments/SPIE_Manuscript_Tactical_high-.pdf

Most of my vehicle armor can withstand small arms fire as is normal at the range limit. My more armored vehicles can withstand a couple of tank rounds. The lighter can withstand up to a 50 cal but under intense fire the armor can be pierced by standard rifle rounds such as a 7.62. A couple rifle rounds to the glass is enough to blap through it as it can't stop everything. Like I said I will act like they are in the set limit but I don't really want to change anything incase one of my friends join NS because then when they find a region they like I might pop in there. That and I'm not the only one who works on the RP for this nation and it was a 2-1 vote to leave the last region.

I understand that Lasers are a thing, the problem is that, much as Graphene, they destroy the MT aspects.

We've already had this debate twice now, thrice if you count telegrams but the end result was a "no" on their inclusion.

Trust me, I look at articles on the "future of the military" too, but I agree with Unf (one of the mods for our RPs) that they simply ruin the MT aspect.

The problem with your vehicles is that they include ridiculous things like Railguns (and no, that damn glorified cargo-ship we have equipped with one is proof of concept, not proof of implementation) while missing what a railgun actually is.

Railguns fire small slugs, you literally have one that fires a 230mm shell...this (alongside it being a railgun) is a pretty big problem.

Furthermore, you have helicopters that can carry sixty full grown, fully armed and armoured men?

Again, a problem is here...that's discounting your numbers though since the US navy is literally ten times smaller.

You...you also have ships that travel over four times faster than the newest cruiser in the US navy? 120 knots? Really?

Andromitus, Tserra, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:

We've already had this debate twice now, thrice if you count telegrams but the end result was a "no" on their inclusion.

Not with you, mind you, but with some others who've been over the boundery before like TCADS and Perland.

Andromitus

Kalaron wrote:I understand that Lasers are a thing, the problem is that, much as Graphene, they destroy the MT aspects.

We've already had this debate twice now, thrice if you count telegrams but the end result was a "no" on their inclusion.

Trust me, I look at articles on the "future of the military" too, but I agree with Unf (one of the mods for our RPs) that they simply ruin the MT aspect.

The problem with your vehicles is that they include ridiculous things like Railguns (and no, that damn glorified cargo-ship we have equipped with one is proof of concept, not proof of implementation) while missing what a railgun actually is.

Railguns fire small slugs, you literally have one that fires a 230mm shell...this (alongside it being a railgun) is a pretty big problem.

Furthermore, you have helicopters that can carry sixty full grown, fully armed and armoured men?

Again, a problem is here...that's discounting your numbers though since the US navy is literally ten times smaller.

You...you also have ships that travel over four times faster than the newest cruiser in the US navy? 120 knots? Really?

Most of what that was for was for the last RP. I'll keep speeds modern but I don't wanna change my FB's

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:I understand that Lasers are a thing, the problem is that, much as Graphene, they destroy the MT aspects.

We've already had this debate twice now, thrice if you count telegrams but the end result was a "no" on their inclusion.

Trust me, I look at articles on the "future of the military" too, but I agree with Unf (one of the mods for our RPs) that they simply ruin the MT aspect.

The problem with your vehicles is that they include ridiculous things like Railguns (and no, that damn glorified cargo-ship we have equipped with one is proof of concept, not proof of implementation) while missing what a railgun actually is.

Railguns fire small slugs, you literally have one that fires a 230mm shell...this (alongside it being a railgun) is a pretty big problem.

Furthermore, you have helicopters that can carry sixty full grown, fully armed and armoured men?

Again, a problem is here...that's discounting your numbers though since the US navy is literally ten times smaller.

You...you also have ships that travel over four times faster than the newest cruiser in the US navy? 120 knots? Really?

^This. In RL I can build a railgun. I can build coilguns. They are not hard, just need to run the hardware store for materials. So believe me folks, I absolutely understand the science, and engineering behind "railguns", as they all seem to be commonly conflated. You cannot have "railguns" as a viable weapon system in MT. There are too many problems with it. Any "railgun" large and powerful enough to be used as a viable weapon are going to eat electricity like you would not believe, and with each shot, the amount of heat generated would be staggering. Among other problems.

Usually when we say a weapon that we technically have is PMT or not MT at all, its because it would require God-Mod levels to actually get it to work as a viable weapon system for RP purposes.

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:^This. In RL I can build a railgun. I can build coilguns. They are not hard, just need to run the hardware store for materials. So believe me folks, I absolutely understand the science, and engineering behind "railguns", as they all seem to be commonly conflated. You cannot have "railguns" as a viable weapon system in MT. There are too many problems with it. Any "railgun" large and powerful enough to be used as a viable weapon are going to eat electricity like you would not believe, and with each shot, the amount of heat generated would be staggering. Among other problems.

Usually when we say a weapon that we technically have is PMT or not MT at all, its because it would require God-Mod levels to actually get it to work as a viable weapon system for RP purposes.

elite dangerous tells me that even in the far future railguns are heat generating monsters that cause me to overheat and get killed

Andromitus, Tserra, Definitely Not Helghan

Unfallious wrote:elite dangerous tells me that even in the far future railguns are heat generating monsters that cause me to overheat and get killed

lol you would think the cold vacuum of space would help with that overheating problem.

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:Most of what that was for was for the last RP. I'll keep speeds modern but I don't wanna change my FB's

Mate, the problems go further than just the speeds.

Just copy the code, edit out the FT and replace them with a different, MT alternative (You would have to do so anyway for the RPs as they require an MT military factbook) in a new factbook so you don't change anything.

Kalaron wrote:Mate, the problems go further than just the speeds.

Just copy the code, edit out the FT and replace them with a different, MT alternative (You would have to do so anyway for the RPs as they require an MT military factbook) in a new factbook so you don't change anything.

I might only take place in the PMT and Early FT stuff if that ever happens. In the meantime I'll work with the other two on this project and we'll make an MT factbook but it's kinda hard to find modern elf people.

Russian Fedration

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:I might only take place in the PMT and Early FT stuff if that ever happens. In the meantime I'll work with the other two on this project and we'll make an MT factbook but it's kinda hard to find modern elf people.

that and to make another military factbook when you have maybe only 1 Open Factbook

most of my Stuff is MT-PMT anyways

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:I might only take place in the PMT and Early FT stuff if that ever happens. In the meantime I'll work with the other two on this project and we'll make an MT factbook but it's kinda hard to find modern elf people.

Well alrighty.

To be honest, you can be ridiculous if it doesn't affect the RP too bad (Percy, again, is a goddamned sentient tank outta Thomas the Tank engine) and it's just a "unique" thing.

Tse uses old-fashioned armour, for example, but doesn't...you know...make it insanely effective?

If you ever need help or advice on that MT factbook, I'm more than willing to give my advice.

Jaslandia, Tserra, Percyton

Definitely Not Helghan wrote:I might only take place in the PMT and Early FT stuff if that ever happens. In the meantime I'll work with the other two on this project and we'll make an MT factbook but it's kinda hard to find modern elf people.

Your elf people will be fine as long as they don't interfere with the RP (like Kal said). However, as head RP guy (alongside Unf), your stuff is too PMT/FT. Just make a separate factbook, and you'll be fine.

Jaslandia

Russian Fedration wrote:that and to make another military factbook when you have maybe only 1 Open Factbook

most of my Stuff is MT-PMT anyways

Russian Fedration wrote:Alrighty

I may send you a TG once I'm confirmed

I'm sorry, I'm vehemently against nations that use WP or chemical weapons.

Also, excluding some realism problems or standardization problems, they aren't terrible.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:I'm sorry, I'm vehemently against nations that use WP or chemical weapons.

Also, excluding some realism problems or standardization problems, they aren't terrible.

What about quicklime? I love me some quicklime.

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:I'm sorry, I'm vehemently against nations that use WP or chemical weapons.

Also, excluding some realism problems or standardization problems, they aren't terrible.

Standardization?

YAYAY! happy to hear

but im also sad to hear , WP and Chems are essential *Sad Face* :(

You know what kind of houses I love? The old plantation mansions in the deep south of America. Yes, I know they have a horrible legacy with slavery but I think they're beautiful, romantic looking buildings.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:Standardization?

YAYAY! happy to hear

but im also sad to hear , WP and Chems are essential *Sad Face* :(

Frankly, Kalaron is of the perspective that reducing casulties and unnecessary suffering is good. As such, we refuse to deal in chemical weapons and actively refuse to even trade with such nations.

Tserra wrote:What about quicklime? I love me some quicklime.

Ew QL.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:You know what kind of houses I love? The old plantation mansions in the deep south of America. Yes, I know they have a horrible legacy with slavery but I think they're beautiful, romantic looking buildings.

Yes they are. So, what do y'all think of my new flag? I wanted to add the white borders because the black on black looked odd, but I wanted it to be more gritty like this flag

http://cdn01.wallconvert.com/_media/wallpapers_1280x800/1/1/coat-of-arms-of-germany-flag-4975.jpg

I even decided to show some ripple, but I'm willing to cover up those ripples if it doesn't look good (I really do want y'all's opinion on the ripples)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Yes they are. So, what do y'all think of my new flag? I wanted to add the white borders because the black on black looked odd, but I wanted it to be more gritty like this flag

http://cdn01.wallconvert.com/_media/wallpapers_1280x800/1/1/coat-of-arms-of-germany-flag-4975.jpg

I even decided to show some ripple, but I'm willing to cover up those ripples if it doesn't look good (I really do want y'all's opinion on the ripples)

I would do without the white stroke on the emblem. Also, maybe lighten up the edges? It seems too...edgy. Other than that, I'd say it looks pretty rad.

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Yes they are. So, what do y'all think of my new flag? I wanted to add the white borders because the black on black looked odd, but I wanted it to be more gritty like this flag

http://cdn01.wallconvert.com/_media/wallpapers_1280x800/1/1/coat-of-arms-of-germany-flag-4975.jpg

I even decided to show some ripple, but I'm willing to cover up those ripples if it doesn't look good (I really do want y'all's opinion on the ripples)

I like the eagle but the previous flag's colours were brighter which I thought was nice. It was more striking when the colours were more pronounced.

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Yes they are. So, what do y'all think of my new flag? I wanted to add the white borders because the black on black looked odd, but I wanted it to be more gritty like this flag

http://cdn01.wallconvert.com/_media/wallpapers_1280x800/1/1/coat-of-arms-of-germany-flag-4975.jpg

I even decided to show some ripple, but I'm willing to cover up those ripples if it doesn't look good (I really do want y'all's opinion on the ripples)

It doesn't look terrible.

Magnatronia wrote:I would do without the white stroke on the emblem. Also, maybe lighten up the edges? It seems too...edgy. Other than that, I'd say it looks pretty rad.

Trust me when I say the white strokes are necessary. I have a picture with lightened edges and no white stroke (was trying to darken the entire flag, but I couldn't find out how).

http://i.imgur.com/jvwD7xQ.png

Kalaron wrote:It doesn't look terrible.

Thank you for that compliment Kal

So general consensus is that it needs to be brighter. I'm fine with that

Baxten wrote:Thank you for that compliment Kal

So general consensus is that it needs to be brighter. I'm fine with that

NP

So 'bout that SLHC, you want in when I write it up?

Kalaron wrote:NP

So 'bout that SLHC, you want in when I write it up?

Of course

Baxten wrote:Of course

Your motto is Gott Mit Uns but how religious is your nation?

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Your motto is Gott Mit Uns but how religious is your nation?

Slight majority is either Lutheran or Catholic. I've been trying to decide which the Kaiser should be (probably Lutheran, saying the Royal family is from Northern Germany).

It'd be really cool if the CoFN RP universe had a united Christendom, but I know you and Lud have put in a lot with the Orthodox church. In this united Christianity, I envision that you could still have local patriarchs, but the five main ones are in Rome, Constantinople (but maybe Moscow since Constantinople is split), Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Slight majority is either Lutheran or Catholic. I've been trying to decide which the Kaiser should be (probably Lutheran, saying the Royal family is from Northern Germany).

It'd be really cool if the CoFN RP universe had a united Christendom, but I know you and Lud have put in a lot with the Orthodox church. In this united Christianity, I envision that you could still have local patriarchs, but the five main ones are in Rome, Constantinople (but maybe Moscow since Constantinople is split), Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem.

Ew religion ;P

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Ew religion ;P

Exciting, isn't it?

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Slight majority is either Lutheran or Catholic. I've been trying to decide which the Kaiser should be (probably Lutheran, saying the Royal family is from Northern Germany).

It'd be really cool if the CoFN RP universe had a united Christendom, but I know you and Lud have put in a lot with the Orthodox church. In this united Christianity, I envision that you could still have local patriarchs, but the five main ones are in Rome, Constantinople (but maybe Moscow since Constantinople is split), Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem.

I'd go for Lutheran.

Before I made Nuremgard Orthodox, it was a Roman Catholic nation with special ties to the Vatican. They were so close in fact that tsars were crowned by the Pope. But as time wore on, I realised that Catholicism did not really sit well with the Russian culture of Nuremgard so I changed it. But I do like your idea of a united Christendom.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:I'd go for Lutheran.

Before I made Nuremgard Orthodox, it was a Roman Catholic nation with special ties to the Vatican. They were so close in fact that tsars were crowned by the Pope. But as time wore on, I realised that Catholicism did not really sit well with the Russian culture of Nuremgard so I changed it. But I do like your idea of a united Christendom.

Do you really? I should try to get others on board. I just need to figure out which nations follow Christianity?

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Do you really? I should try to get others on board. I just need to figure out which nations follow Christianity?

Well I have a nation sitting idle in this region that has a German name. I originally based it on Austria. I could perhaps bring it into the Reich as a Catholic power?

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Well I have a nation sitting idle in this region that has a German name. I originally based it on Austria. I could perhaps bring it into the Reich as a Catholic power?

Well, the Reich doesn't really have anymore available neighboring spots besides Denmark. Not to mention, if you want to do that thing we were talking about with Russia and all, that wouldn't really work

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Well, the Reich doesn't really have anymore available neighboring spots besides Denmark. Not to mention, if you want to do that thing we were talking about with Russia and all, that wouldn't really work

I was going to suggest placing it at number 10 on the map but if you want to do the Russia thing then I wont bother. Just a suggestion.

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Trust me when I say the white strokes are necessary. I have a picture with lightened edges and no white stroke (was trying to darken the entire flag, but I couldn't find out how).

http://i.imgur.com/jvwD7xQ.png

Well then lighten the black for the emblem to a dark gray.

Nuremgard wrote:I was going to suggest placing it at number 10 on the map but if you want to do the Russia thing then I wont bother. Just a suggestion.

Oh, number 10 is a direct vassal of Einsiev.

Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Oh, number 10 is a direct vassal of Einsiev.

Ah, okay. I read it as unclaimed on the map so assumed it was free.

Penguania And Antarctica

Magnatronia wrote:Well then lighten the black for the emblem to a dark gray.

Ew, that's gross. The only thing I can really think of is either decreasing the size of the eagle or making a white circle in the middle of the flag and putting the eagle in that

What would be a better title for the head of government for my Saor Scotland? Chancellor or President?

Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:Frankly, Kalaron is of the perspective that reducing casulties and unnecessary suffering is good. As such, we refuse to deal in chemical weapons and actively refuse to even trade with such nations.

Ew QL.

yea my concerns are as long as my causalities are low and "Unnecessary" Civilian Losses are at a low im all fine. However Parliament usally has to Approve such a Strike against a Purely Civilian Target

Baxten wrote:Exciting, isn't it?

I mean, tbvh I only feel a sort of nebulous and general anxiety.

But yeah, a real riveting conversation on religions ;P

Russian Fedration wrote:yea my concerns are as long as my causalities are low and "Unnecessary" Civilian Losses are at a low im all fine. However Parliament usally has to Approve such a Strike against a Purely Civilian Target

That...there wouldn't....

Why would you just bomb civilians?

Kalaron wrote:That...there wouldn't....

Why would you just bomb civilians?

Lots of Reasons .

Ranging from We Were struck First, we Need to Send a Message we need to Demoralize the Enemy Or we need to Tip the Balance in our favor . lots of reasons .

They can be checked in the Military Combat Code of Conduct

Russian Fedration wrote:Lots of Reasons .

Ranging from We Were struck First, we Need to Send a Message we need to Demoralize the Enemy Or we need to Tip the Balance in our favor . lots of reasons .

They can be checked in the Military Combat Code of Conduct

Striking civilians will neither end wars quicker, demoralize the enemy (provided they have good PR inside of their nations) or tip the odds in your favor on any way that couldn't be done by striking the military.

The US military at the least rejects the sole targeting of civilians, and I'm fairly certain the same is done for most civilised nations.

Kalaron wrote:Striking civilians will neither end wars quicker, demoralize the enemy (provided they have good PR inside of their nations) or tip the odds in your favor on any way that couldn't be done by striking the military.

The US military at the least rejects the sole targeting of civilians, and I'm fairly certain the same is done for most civilised nations.

Publicly versus Actually is a Funny difference lol .

I use the Vietnam Mind set.

The North Was so stubborn so Operation Line Backer said Bomb them back to the stone age . everyone in the north got mad , The people were Discontent with the government and it forced them to the negotiating table because ever there people knew it was looking bad...but the north was shifty after that and still won ...

Baxten wrote:Ew, that's gross. The only thing I can really think of is either decreasing the size of the eagle or making a white circle in the middle of the flag and putting the eagle in that

Russian Fedration wrote:Lots of Reasons .

Ranging from We Were struck First, we Need to Send a Message we need to Demoralize the Enemy Or we need to Tip the Balance in our favor . lots of reasons .

They can be checked in the Military Combat Code of Conduct

Lemme laugh at each of those reasons, *GLaDoS voice* You monster;

1. If you were struck first, why not aim for industrial-military-economic centers instead of civilian ones?

2. Tied into #3

3. Doing so would martyrize them, rally the enemy to their cause, pop-enemy nation into full gear, rally the international community behind them

4. Hitting civilians won't do that either, again, aiming for industrial centers, military bases, in almost every case, literally ANYWHERE ELSE would be better than a civilian center; hell, hitting civilians could actually demoralize YOUR troops as they kill innocents instead of the enemies troops and weapons centers.

Andromitus wrote:-snip-

Sorry baxxy got so invested in RF that I forgot about you :)

Make a flag with a white oval in the center, perhaps with a fancy gold rim to differentiate from your whiter layers; in theory (my head) I think it could work

Russian Fedration

Andromitus wrote:Lemme laugh at each of those reasons, *GLaDoS voice* You monster;

1. If you were struck first, why not aim for industrial-military-economic centers instead of civilian ones?

2. Tied into #3

3. Doing so would martyrize them, rally the enemy to their cause, pop-enemy nation into full gear, rally the international community behind them

4. Hitting civilians won't do that either, again, aiming for industrial centers, military bases, in almost every case, literally ANYWHERE ELSE would be better than a civilian center; hell, hitting civilians could actually demoralize YOUR troops as they kill innocents instead of the enemies troops and weapons centers.

Not unless your a Military Culture and military service is Glorified from the day your born and some kids are taken from birth to be Trained to be Soldiers .

i mean yea military targets first always , like i said theres certain cases that need to happen before we do that .

Baxten wrote:Slight majority is either Lutheran or Catholic. I've been trying to decide which the Kaiser should be (probably Lutheran, saying the Royal family is from Northern Germany).

It'd be really cool if the CoFN RP universe had a united Christendom, but I know you and Lud have put in a lot with the Orthodox church. In this united Christianity, I envision that you could still have local patriarchs, but the five main ones are in Rome, Constantinople (but maybe Moscow since Constantinople is split), Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem.

I'd go with Lutheran, because the Jaslandian Royal Family is Lutheran, and the official church is the Lutheran Church of Jaslandia (although it's like the Church of England in that no one is forced to be part of the Church), so we could form some sort of united Lutheran Church, or at least a Lutheran alliance.

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Baxten wrote:Your elf people will be fine as long as they don't interfere with the RP (like Kal said). However, as head RP guy (alongside Unf), your stuff is too PMT/FT. Just make a separate factbook, and you'll be fine.

Alright cool.

I'll work on one. It'll take time though since I have to get the group together in a call to see what we're going to do for it tech wise (most likely late MT or really early PMT) probably base it off of the JSOC from the ghost recon universe.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Publicly versus Actually is a Funny difference lol .

I use the Vietnam Mind set.

The North Was so stubborn so Operation Line Backer said Bomb them back to the stone age . everyone in the north got mad , The people were Discontent with the government and it forced them to the negotiating table because ever there people knew it was looking bad...but the north was shifty after that and still won ...

ROE is a funny thing in a nation convinced you're out to slaughter them...only aided by you actually slaughtering them >.>

As for this "Public versus Actual" thing, that's a violation of the laws of war and could land the guy in jail for a long, long time? Like, following the order to kill clear civilians is just as illegal as doing it yourself, though the ME is different than most conflicts due to the extreme diffaculty of proving the soldier didn't shoot person A because he thought they were going to ram the traffic stop.

Right, you have Vietnam, here's an Afghanistan and a Iraq...you really still want to infuriate hundreds of thousands of people by murdering innocent civilians?

In WW2, it didn't "demoralize" Germany to destroy Dresdin, it put the people's back to the wall and let Hitler persuade the people that he was their best chance of not being ruthlessly killed by the Soviets.

TL;DR, it doesn't help anyone to kill civilians because they'll either demoralize your public or radicalize the enemy population, probably both, actually.

LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AND WORLD LEADERS, IT IS NOW TEA TIME!

OUR SNACKS: GRAPES, RAVIOLI, AND TOFU

OUR DRINKS: DIET DR PEPPER, APPLE JUICE, AND ICED TEA

OUR TOPICS: MYTHOLOGY, PUTIN'S RUSSIA, AND NATIONAL PARKS

BONUS TOPIC: SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

BONUS PROGRAMS: OPEN LETTERS, RANDOM LINKS, AND NONSENSICAL SENTENCES

Russian Fedration, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:Sorry baxxy got so invested in RF that I forgot about you :)

Make a flag with a white oval in the center, perhaps with a fancy gold rim to differentiate from your whiter layers; in theory (my head) I think it could work

I tried. It's gross

Bears!

Bears everywhere!

*Throws ice*

Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AND WORLD LEADERS, IT IS NOW TEA TIME!

OUR SNACKS: GRAPES, RAVIOLI, AND TOFU

OUR DRINKS: DIET DR PEPPER, APPLE JUICE, AND ICED TEA

OUR TOPICS: MYTHOLOGY, PUTIN'S RUSSIA, AND NATIONAL PARKS

BONUS TOPIC: SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

BONUS PROGRAMS: OPEN LETTERS, RANDOM LINKS, AND NONSENSICAL SENTENCES

AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYEAAAAAA! I DON'T HAVE A LEADER! ANARCHY WOOO!

TOFU

D. DR. PEPPER

Mythology: Zuez stop bangin'; Putin interrupted someone with flying dildo-drones; Trumps trying to destroy these!

Bonus Topic - Because it is less deadly than tobacco, is not actually a gateway drug, and was only made illegal during the prohibition and was never relegalized; I say lets goooo! Legal Marijuana also keeps the blood money out of the Black Market.

An Open letter to the Ghengis "The Great" Khan;

~ Hey Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandaddy :3

Random Link: http://heeeeeeeey.com/

Nonsensical Sentences:

The fly is a f***ing cosmopolitan, having a trained assassin's stay overnight, and letting heartbreaking lies roll over us like a summer breeze.

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:ROE is a funny thing in a nation convinced you're out to slaughter them...only aided by you actually slaughtering them >.>

As for this "Public versus Actual" thing, that's a violation of the laws of war and could land the guy in jail for a long, long time? Like, following the order to kill clear civilians is just as illegal as doing it yourself, though the ME is different than most conflicts due to the extreme diffaculty of proving the soldier didn't shoot person A because he thought they were going to ram the traffic stop.

Right, you have Vietnam, here's an Afghanistan and a Iraq...you really still want to infuriate hundreds of thousands of people by murdering innocent civilians?

In WW2, it didn't "demoralize" Germany to destroy Dresdin, it put the people's back to the wall and let Hitler persuade the people that he was their best chance of not being ruthlessly killed by the Soviets.

TL;DR, it doesn't help anyone to kill civilians because they'll either demoralize your public or radicalize the enemy population, probably both, actually.

I suppose but i really dont mind.

Is there a UN like thing here?

Jaslandia wrote:LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AND WORLD LEADERS, IT IS NOW TEA TIME!

OUR SNACKS: GRAPES, RAVIOLI, AND TOFU

OUR DRINKS: DIET DR PEPPER, APPLE JUICE, AND ICED TEA

OUR TOPICS: MYTHOLOGY, PUTIN'S RUSSIA, AND NATIONAL PARKS

BONUS TOPIC: SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

BONUS PROGRAMS: OPEN LETTERS, RANDOM LINKS, AND NONSENSICAL SENTENCES

Ravioli

Iced Tea (Id Say DR.Pepper but i dont like diet)

Bonus Topic : no

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:I suppose but i really dont mind.

Is there a UN like thing here?

Ravioli

Iced Tea (Id Say DR.Pepper but i dont like diet)

Bonus Topic : no

There isn't a UN, though more often than not most nations fly against war-crimes *glances at ITF, Old CFN Era*

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:There isn't a UN, though more often than not most nations fly against war-crimes *glances at ITF, Old CFN Era*

hmmm.... alright . Thats good to know

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AND WORLD LEADERS, IT IS NOW TEA TIME!

OUR SNACKS: GRAPES, RAVIOLI, AND TOFU

OUR DRINKS: DIET DR PEPPER, APPLE JUICE, AND ICED TEA

OUR TOPICS: MYTHOLOGY, PUTIN'S RUSSIA, AND NATIONAL PARKS

BONUS TOPIC: SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

BONUS PROGRAMS: OPEN LETTERS, RANDOM LINKS, AND NONSENSICAL SENTENCES

It's all I ever wanted

Grapes and Ice Tea, make it sweet

Mythology is not myth; verily, it is truly the highest of facts short of science. And I'll be darned if there was nothing to learn from it all!

*shivers* I'd rather not

PROTECT THE LAND PENGUINS!!! And the parks. They're great parks. Amazing parks. They're absolutely terrific, believe me.

Yes. All the yes. I won't smoke it, but, hey, I know some people

The purple penguin of all out spectacle glory and hallelujah in the name of the Lord Hosana shall rise from the oranged ocean alive and well, as is in Donnerstag.

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:There isn't a UN, though more often than not most nations fly against war-crimes *glances at ITF, Old CFN Era*

Let's just hope you guys never figure out about half the stuff I did in TNI...

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, The Vidnoye

Eliminates environmental regulations

>welfare, education increase dramatically

>mining and forestry suddenly become relevant

>deaths in wilderness fall from 40s to under 20%

>incomes fall slightly

>other good and bad things

Today was good day

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:LADIES, GENTLEMEN, AND WORLD LEADERS, IT IS NOW TEA TIME!

OUR SNACKS: GRAPES, RAVIOLI, AND TOFU

OUR DRINKS: DIET DR PEPPER, APPLE JUICE, AND ICED TEA

OUR TOPICS: MYTHOLOGY, PUTIN'S RUSSIA, AND NATIONAL PARKS

BONUS TOPIC: SHOULD MARIJUANA BE LEGALIZED FOR RECREATIONAL USE?

BONUS PROGRAMS: OPEN LETTERS, RANDOM LINKS, AND NONSENSICAL SENTENCES

I'll have grapes and Dr Pepper.

Mythology: I've been watching CrashCourse Mythology recently (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8dPuuaLjXtNCG9Vq7vdvJytS-F-xGi7_), and I'm finding it really interesting. What I'm finding interesting is not just the stories and deities themselves, but why these deities arose (e.g. Why do some cultures assign gods and goddesses to one set of things, while that same set of things doesn't have any gods or goddesses in another culture). I also thought the description of the Greek pantheon as the prototypical family if given absolute power was pretty interesting.

Putin's Russia: Stuff like the gay 'propaganda' laws and suppression of dissent (ex: P*ssy Riot, assassination of journalists) concerns me, and I think Russia needs leadership other than Putin. Though, I'm not sure who that alternative to Putin could be, which is also a problem.

National parks: I don't think I've ever been to a nature-type one (like Yellowstone or Yosemite), but I've been to some of the monuments and memorials in Washington DC, which are controlled by the National Park Service. In general, I support national parks, and think they should continue to exist.

Bonus: Yes. I don't like marijuana, and part of my is still biased against marijuana smokers, but the evidence shows it's less dangerous than alcohol, so I see no reason why we shouldn't regulate marijuana like alcohol: legal, but taxed and with legal restrictions.

Random links: https://youtu.be/dmDc02mwBuI

https://youtu.be/siZoMTn1WqE

https://youtu.be/XNCQ9w59I7M

Russian Fedration, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Welp, I just submitted my citizenship application!

Russian Fedration, Penguania And Antarctica

Post self-deleted by Baxten.

Also, what the hell is this

http://imgur.com/gallery/lPWGr

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Baxten wrote:http://i.imgur.com/4GbhYv8.png

Eh? I know it may be a bit Reich-y, but it's much closer to Imperial Germany than Nazis

The only thing I don't like is the singular flag in the top-left; it makes my OCD senses tingle :3

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:The only thing I don't like is the singular flag in the top-left; it makes my OCD senses tingle :3

I didn't want to do that either, but that really made it look Reich-y. It also put too much emphasis on the eagle

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c5c6d2f1d0da93ff1cc49e16b7d25c2a

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:The only thing I don't like is the singular flag in the top-left; it makes my OCD senses tingle :3

Do it in all of the corners. That would make it look wayyyyyyyy more Imperial German-ish.

Russian Fedration

Baxten wrote:Also, what the hell is this

http://imgur.com/gallery/lPWGr

I don't know

I'm not an expert, but it's messed up my dude.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Friedensreich wrote:Do it in all of the corners. That would make it look wayyyyyyyy more Imperial German-ish.

I can second that notion; heck, make the bottom ones mirror the top so it looks like a background instead of 4 repeating sub-flags, see how that looks.

But almost anything is better than the single corner

Andromitus wrote:I can second that notion; heck, make the bottom ones mirror the top so it looks like a background instead of 4 repeating sub-flags, see how that looks.

But almost anything is better than the single corner

God, I hate flag problems

Aghrabia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Also, what the hell is this

http://imgur.com/gallery/lPWGr

What the actual fµck;

[nation=short]percyton[/nation], I think you might have a problem with railway management? After reading through this I want to assure you that trains within Andromitus are, at least with the more urbanized portions there is still 14% of the nation that needs to be updated, electric and most of the time maglev, we don't scrap them for parts and instead opt to refitting them with new train cars and modular design so we don't have to waste time building an entire new train's evertime an update comes out; sure our trains aren't sentient but if you need refuge...

I swear to whatever train lord you believe in if you need to hide from railway management Andromitus is the place to go.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Baxten wrote:God, I hate flag problems

You can use this flag that I made a couple years ago for inspiration, or just outright use it yourself. I'm not using it.

http://imgur.com/2tKSLwS

Friedensreich wrote:You can use this flag that I made a couple years ago for inspiration, or just outright use it yourself. I'm not using it.

http://imgur.com/2tKSLwS

There's also this one, that has a bit of a modern twist to it:

http://imgur.com/Ph4LrrW

Baxten wrote:Also, what the hell is this

http://imgur.com/gallery/lPWGr

I think I've seen that before. Yeah, some of the stuff that happens on Sodor is pretty effed up, but it's generally portrayed as harsh justice that only happens to a small minority of engines: most engines realize the error of their ways, and go on to be really useful, with only the incorrigible ones being turned into generators and such.

Well, at least how that is on Sodor. On the Other Railway (British Railways in real life), steam engines were cut up and scrapped simply for being outdated compared to modern diesel engines, who were often portrayed negatively in the Sodor universe. That's why Sir Topham Hatt/the Fat Controller established Sodor as a sanctuary for steam engines, where they can work hard and not have to worry about being replaced by diesels (Well, except for when the diesels Pip and Emma replaced Gordon in pulling the express, but they still let Gordon pull a shorter express train).

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:I can second that notion; heck, make the bottom ones mirror the top so it looks like a background instead of 4 repeating sub-flags, see how that looks.

But almost anything is better than the single corner

Well, I went single color. No color was just weird

Baxten wrote:Also, what the hell is this

http://imgur.com/gallery/lPWGr

I've seen that idea before, and they have a point. Things used to be pretty bad on the Other Railway, and Sodor was really the only safe place in Britain for steam locomotives. That's why some of the Railway Series books (which are what the TV show is based off of) can be pretty grim, like that one scene in Stepney the Bluebell Engine that's in the picture. However, things have gotten better since, and Sodor has and always will be a steam sanctuary. Plus, Revered Awdry (the author of the Railway Series), Britt Allcroft (the creator of the TV show), and everyone else who's talked about Sodor always left out the fact that engines in control, which changes some things.

Andromitus wrote:What the actual fµck;

[nation=short]percyton[/nation], I think you might have a problem with railway management? After reading through this I want to assure you that trains within Andromitus are, at least with the more urbanized portions there is still 14% of the nation that needs to be updated, electric and most of the time maglev, we don't scrap them for parts and instead opt to refitting them with new train cars and modular design so we don't have to waste time building an entire new train's evertime an update comes out; sure our trains aren't sentient but if you need refuge...

I swear to whatever train lord you believe in if you need to hide from railway management Andromitus is the place to go.

I appreciate that Andromitus, and I'd love to visit your country one time and see your railway. However, Sodor is a pretty good place for steam engines; it's the Other Railway where the managers are cruel and uncaring.

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:-snip-

I suggest you read the novel 1984 -

"The Party [Management] told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command...And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' Because as they told you, and you believed; War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Big Brother is watching you."

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:I suggest you read the novel 1984 -

"The Party [Management] told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command...And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' Because as they told you, and you believed; War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Big Brother is watching you."

Does this flah hurt you on the inside, Andy. Is this flag the bane of your existence?

Penguania And Antarctica

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