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Fuhrmania wrote:And also many people were i grew up in believe that in order to improve Germany they need to bring back the kaiser. So you share that thought

This reminds me a bit about how some in Iraq support a return to the Hashemite monarchy, seeing it as being more stable than a republican Iraq. In my opinion, that is completely false. Iraq back then suffered from Kurdish rebellions, an underground communist movement, and even fascists in government that would lead to a 7 year British occupation of the country. Iraq back then was less stable than it is now!

Fuhrmania

Damn it. There was an economic crisis in New Salvatore so the government took command of strategic areas of the economy. It improved public services but massively increased taxes and lowered employment.

Spanelsko

Fuhrmania wrote:And also many people were i grew up in believe that in order to improve Germany they need to bring back the kaiser. So do you share that thought

There is a German prince who did an interview with a magazine. He said he hopes Germany restores the monarchy.

Nuremgard wrote:There is a German prince who did an interview with a magazine. He said he hopes Germany restores the monarchy.

oH i WoNdEr WhY tHaT iS?!

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Nuova Constidor

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

Made some good decisions.

https://youtu.be/zc3Y-dU_GjM

Jaslandia, Percyton, Nuova Constidor

Andromitus wrote:oH i WoNdEr WhY tHaT iS?!

Prince George Friedrich, great-great grandson of Wilhelm II.

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Damn it. There was an economic crisis in New Salvatore so the government took command of strategic areas of the economy. It improved public services but massively increased taxes and lowered employment.

Well economic crisis= fake news.

Nuremgard

Spanelsko wrote:Well economic crisis= fake news.

Need to cut those taxes and make the wealth gap bigger.

Fuhrmania wrote:And also many people were i grew up in believe that in order to improve Germany they need to bring back the kaiser. So do you share that thought

Hello Fuhrmania. It has been a long time.

Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Need to cut those taxes and make the wealth gap bigger.

Of course, last thing we want is for the poor to have insane ideas of the retarded communism.

Nuremgard

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:Hello Fuhrmania. It has been a long time.

It has PLR

Penguania And Antarctica

Oh btw i will arrive tomorrow in Salvatore at 7 am. A bit sooner then expected.

In other reports in 2 days the Great offensive begins.

Fuhrmania wrote:And also many people were i grew up in believe that in order to improve Germany they need to bring back the kaiser. So do you share that thought

Nope.

Nuremgard wrote:Do you think he was correct to exclude Austria from German unification?

Yes.

Percyton

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Nope.

Yes.

Peng just described my thoughts in a word

Peng is best scribe :D

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Nope.

Yes.

Why though?

Penguania And Antarctica

> Be Kal

> Be trying to find other parts for that computer

> Knock on the door of what you think is the house that put it out

"Hi my name is Jaime, what's yours?"

"What do you care?"

"Oh, I'm interested in a-"

"Where do you live?"

"I live down there" (Point to left)

"Way down there?"

"Well, not way down there but-"

"Take a hike"

And then the old man slammed the door shut.

The Empire Of Handland

Nuremgard wrote:Why though?

Different culture, different mentality, been in a conflict with Germany (German states) for centuries. We might share a language but we are different.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia, Fuhrmania, Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Different culture, different mentality, been in a conflict with Germany (German states) for centuries. We might share a language but we are different.

Reminds me of another country... can't put my finger on it though 🤔

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:Reminds me of another country... can't put my finger on it though 🤔

Are you referring to the made up republic in Spain claiming that as well? lol

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Are you referring to the made up republic in Spain claiming that as well? lol

I was referring to Scotland and the UK but that too. You seem to have a strong opinion on Catalonia, I'd be interested to hear it.

Penguania And Antarctica

Lex Caledonia wrote:I was referring to Scotland and the UK but that too. You seem to have a strong opinion on Catalonia, I'd be interested to hear it.

Nah, my opinions tend to start fights on here, and that's not what I ever intend or want.

Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Yukona

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Nah, my opinions tend to start fights on here, and that's not what I ever intend or want.

I understand man, its a touchy subject, especially for independence sympathetic countries. Don't worry about it.

The Empire Of Handland, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Lex Caledonia wrote:I understand man, its a touchy subject, especially for independence sympathetic countries. Don't worry about it.

Sir, you're a model citizen of this region.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Yukona, Percyton

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Sir, you're a model citizen of this region.

Ahahaha, I do my best, cheers man.

The Empire Of Handland, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:Yeah, that'd look pretty medeival.

Here's Percyton current coat of arms: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-49qqo0Q7Qq8/UiMVPp8BvdI/AAAAAAAABM8/90atDurxO88/s1600/Image9.jpg

Would that look good on top of the current Percyton flag? If so, do you think you could do that for me?

Andromitus wrote:We have other German (+Assorted Dialects) speakers in the CoFN, Peng and Vista for example :D

Toby too!

Toby: Technically, yes, but it's been a while. My German skills are a bit rusty.

Percy: Just try it!

Toby: Oh, alright. *coughs* *vocalizing/vocal warm-ups* Guten Morgen, König Percy von Sodor! Ich hoffe, alles ist gut mit Ihnen. Wie arbeiten Sie gerne an der Zweigstelle Ffarquhar?

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Nah, my opinions tend to start fights on here, and that's not what I ever intend or want.

Politics is about arguing/fighting. We all have strong opinions. That's the whole point.

Nuremgard wrote:Politics is about arguing/fighting. We all have strong opinions. That's the whole point.

There's a difference between having a civil debate and an argument.

Yukona

The Empire Of Handland wrote:There's a difference between having a civil debate and an argument.

Since when was politics ever civil?

The Empire Of Handland wrote:There's a difference between having a civil debate and an argument.

Also, this might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black here for me, but you could word your opinions better. You say you want a civil debate but you call Catalan nationalists stupid and call their aspirations for a state a "made up republic."

If you want civility, start with yourself.

Percyton wrote:Here's Percyton current coat of arms: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-49qqo0Q7Qq8/UiMVPp8BvdI/AAAAAAAABM8/90atDurxO88/s1600/Image9.jpg

Would that look good on top of the current Percyton flag? If so, do you think you could do that for me?

Toby too!

Toby: Technically, yes, but it's been a while. My German skills are a bit rusty.

Percy: Just try it!

Toby: Oh, alright. *coughs* *vocalizing/vocal warm-ups* Guten Morgen, König Percy von Sodor! Ich hoffe, alles ist gut mit Ihnen. Wie arbeiten Sie gerne an der Zweigstelle Ffarquhar?

That'd be a little crowded. I'd suggest just using the rose, which is something I'd gladly do for you.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

To celebrate how everyone that supports the new state is apparently a fascist, I've reinstated the saltire flag with a nice update.

Jaslandia, The Empire Of Handland, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:To celebrate how everyone that supports the new state is apparently a fascist, I've reinstated the saltire flag with a nice update.

Axeldonia its been a while

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Also, this might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black here for me, but you could word your opinions better. You say you want a civil debate but you call Catalan nationalists stupid and call their aspirations for a state a "made up republic."

If you want civility, start with yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qjfQieg2w

Yukona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qjfQieg2w

Considering the current political climate, I think we're all done.

Nuremgard wrote:Also, this might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black here for me, but you could word your opinions better. You say you want a civil debate but you call Catalan nationalists stupid and call their aspirations for a state a "made up republic."

If you want civility, start with yourself.

I was just messing around about the made up republic. It's just when people like you who don't read the entire thing and get defensive about it, issues start to arise.

The Empire Of Handland wrote:I was just messing around about the made up republic. It's just when people like you who don't read the entire thing and get defensive about it, issues start to arise.

Didn't seem like you were messing about. But doesn't matter. You clearly don't want the Catalans to break away. I'm all for them breaking away if the majority support it. We're not going to convince each other otherwise.

Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:Didn't seem like you were messing about. But doesn't matter. You clearly don't want the Catalans to break away. I'm all for them breaking away if the majority support it. We're not going to convince each other otherwise.

Agreed

Lex Caledonia

VOTING

http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/43/question-time-enquiry-act-voting

Axeldonia wrote:To celebrate how everyone that supports the new state is apparently a fascist, I've reinstated the saltire flag with a nice update.

ALL HAIL THE NEW STATE

The Empire Of Handland wrote:ALL HAIL THE NEW STATE

-_-

The Empire Of Handland

Axeldonia wrote:That'd be a little crowded. I'd suggest just using the rose, which is something I'd gladly do for you.

That might be interesting. If you could do that for me, that'd be really great!

Axeldonia

Axeldonia wrote:To celebrate how everyone that supports the new state is apparently a fascist, I've reinstated the saltire flag with a nice update.

Love me some Saltire. Saltire flags are best flags.

Nuremgard, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:-_-

Axel, I don't care what your flag is. Your platform was that you'd be an active leader in the ESU, and you'd bring peace and stability to the region. You were probably our last true hope. And just for a moment, that hope was real. We actually got you into power. It wasn't ever about politics or anything. It was about saving the region, and that was a cause I could get behind. We put aside our differences and rallied around the cry of survival. And for that I thank you. I, and all the others that followed you faithfully through the 3 days of revolution, thank you for the hope you gave us. Sieg Axeldonia, and hail to the new State. Tack.

Peoples Liberation Republic

Percyton wrote:That might be interesting. If you could do that for me, that'd be really great!

Here you go! I made a version with a single rose and a version with roses stretching across the white stripe.

https://image.ibb.co/kc4P0m/Sodor_Flag_Proposal_1.png

https://image.ibb.co/fyvsmR/Sodor_Flag_Proposal_2.png

Percyton

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Axel, I don't care what your flag is. Your platform was that you'd be an active leader in the ESU, and you'd bring peace and stability to the region. You were probably our last true hope. And just for a moment, that hope was real. We actually got you into power. It wasn't ever about politics or anything. It was about saving the region, and that was a cause I could get behind. We put aside our differences and rallied around the cry of survival. And for that I thank you. I, and all the others that followed you faithfully through the 3 days of revolution, thank you for the hope you gave us. Sieg Axeldonia, and hail to the new State. Tack.

I actually have no recollection of why I participated, but I think part of it was precisely to parody the fascist and power-hungry nations in the region. Food for thought.

Axeldonia wrote:I actually have no recollection of why I participated, but I think part of it was precisely to parody the fascist and power-hungry nations in the region. Food for thought.

I'm pretty sure it was the fact Kedalistan was about a week from getting deleted due to inactivity, and the region was at the point where it was going to implode. Everyone was talking about it and you advocated a revolution and sweeping changes.

Axeldonia wrote:I actually have no recollection of why I participated, but I think part of it was precisely to parody the fascist and power-hungry nations in the region. Food for thought.

We started parodying fascism and the Confederacy throughout the revolution.

The Empire Of Handland wrote:We started parodying fascism and the Confederacy throughout the revolution.

Yeah, which is why it baffles me that the only people that want it back are all fascists.

Axeldonia wrote:Here you go! I made a version with a single rose and a version with roses stretching across the white stripe.

https://image.ibb.co/kc4P0m/Sodor_Flag_Proposal_1.png

https://image.ibb.co/fyvsmR/Sodor_Flag_Proposal_2.png

Wow! They both look great! If I had to choose, I think I'd go with the first one.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Wow! They both look great! If I had to choose, I think I'd go with the first one.

Go for it!

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Axeldonia wrote:Yeah, which is why it baffles me that the only people that want it back are all fascists.

No body actually wants it back. It's a joke, just as how it pretty much ended in the ESU when Merlinton got pissed that in day we managed to oust her from her position. If you've been taking it seriously, you shouldn't.

time for PLRK to make its return to burn the world in RP

Fuhrmania

The Empire Of Handland wrote:No body actually wants it back. It's a joke, just as how it pretty much ended in the ESU when Merlinton got pissed that in day we managed to oust her from her position. If you've been taking it seriously, you shouldn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Axeldonia wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Axeldonia, should Scania be free?

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Axeldonia, should Scania be free?

If a majority wants to, they should be allowed to leave.

The Empire Of Handland, Percyton

Reguarding the esu,

I left because i was tired of the cyber bullying in the region that is why i left.

I have nothing against merlington, Handland, Roskow Soviet, axeldonia, and plr. There are others who i have nothing against.

That is all in the past and i want to move out of it. If by any reason i offended anyone in the ESU i am formally apologize for my actions.

~Karola Führmann

Percyton

The Empire Of Handland wrote:Axeldonia, should Scania be free?

Oh God no, not the Dansk javlar

The Empire Of Handland

Axeldonia wrote:Go for it!

Thanks for the flags, Axel! I'll probably use the first one for the medieval RP.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

[spoiler=Today is October 29 and today are:]

Today is October 29 and today are:

- Capital City Day (Mongolia)

- Coronation Day (Cambodia)

- Cyrus the Great Day (Iran)

- Internet Day

- National Cat Day (United States)

- National Hermit Day (United States)

- National Oatmeal Day (United States)

- Republic Day or Cumhuriyet Bayramı (Turkey)

- World Stroke Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 539 BC – Cyrus the Great (founder of Persian Empire) entered the capital of Babylon and allowed the Jews to return to their land.

- 312 – Constantine the Great enters Rome after his victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge, stages a grand adventus in the city, and is met with popular jubilation. Maxentius' body is fished out of the Tiber and beheaded.

- 437 – Valentinian III, Western Roman Emperor, marries Licinia Eudoxia, daughter of his cousin Theodosius II, Eastern Roman Emperor in Constantinople unifying the two branches of the House of Theodosius.

- 969 – Byzantine troops occupy Antioch, Syria.

- 1268 – Conradin is executed along with his companion Frederick I, Margrave of Baden by Charles I of Sicily.

- 1390 – First trial for witchcraft in Paris leading to the death of three people.

- 1467 – Battle of Brustem:Charles the Bold defeats Prince-Bishopric of Liège.

- 1591 – Pope Innocent IX is elected.

- 1611 – Russian homage to the King of Poland, Sigismund III Vasa.

- 1618 – English adventurer, writer, and courtier Sir Walter Raleigh is beheaded for allegedly conspiring against James I of England.

- 1658 – Second Northern War: Naval forces of the Dutch Republic defeat the Swedes in the Battle of the Sound.

- 1665 – Portuguese forces defeat the Kingdom of Kongo and decapitate King António I of Kongo, also known as Nvita a Nkanga.

- 1675 – Leibniz makes the first use of the long s (∫) as a symbol of the integral in calculus.

- 1787 – Mozart's opera Don Giovanni receives its first performance in Prague.

- 1792 – Mount Hood (Oregon) is named after Samuel Hood, 1st Viscount Hood by Lt. William E. Broughton who sighted the mountain near the mouth of the Willamette River.

- 1863 – Eighteen countries meet in Geneva and agree to form the International Red Cross.

- 1863 – American Civil War: Battle of Wauhatchie: Forces under Union General Ulysses S. Grant repel a Confederate attack led by General James Longstreet. Union forces thus open a supply line into Chattanooga, Tennessee.

- 1888 – The Convention of Constantinople is signed, guaranteeing free maritime passage through the Suez Canal during war and peace.

- 1901 – In Amherst, Massachusetts, nurse Jane Toppan is arrested for murdering the Davis family of Boston with an overdose of morphine.

- 1901 – Leon Czolgosz, the assassin of U.S. President William McKinley, is executed by electrocution.

- 1918 – The German High Seas Fleet is incapacitated when sailors mutiny on the night of the 29th-30th, an action which would trigger the German Revolution of 1918–19.

- 1921 – The Link River Dam, a part of the Klamath Reclamation Project, is completed.

- 1921 – United States: Second trial of Sacco and Vanzetti in Boston, Massachusetts.

- 1921 – The Harvard University football team loses to Centre College, ending a 25-game winning streak. This is considered one of the biggest upsets in college football.

- 1922 – King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy appoints Benito Mussolini as Prime Minister.

- 1923 – Turkey becomes a republic following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.

- 1929 – The New York Stock Exchange crashes in what will be called the Crash of '29 or "Black Tuesday", ending the Great Bull Market of the 1920s and beginning the Great Depression.

- 1941 – The Holocaust: In the Kaunas Ghetto over 10,000 Jews are shot by German occupiers at the Ninth Fort, a massacre known as the "Great Action".

- 1942 – The Holocaust: In the United Kingdom, leading clergymen and political figures hold a public meeting to register outrage over Nazi Germany's persecution of Jews.

- 1944 – The Dutch city of Breda is liberated by 1st Polish Armoured Division.

- 1944 – World War II: The Soviet Red Army enters Hungary.

- 1948 – Safsaf massacre: Israeli soldiers capture the Palestinian village of Safsaf in the Galilee; after, between 52 and 64 villagers are massacred by the IDF.

- 1953 – BCPA Flight 304 DC-6 crashes near San Francisco.

- 1955 – The Soviet battleship Novorossiysk strikes a World War II mine in the harbor at Sevastopol.

- 1956 – Suez Crisis begins: Israeli forces invade the Sinai Peninsula and push Egyptian forces back toward the Suez Canal.

- 1957 – Israel's prime minister David Ben-Gurion and five of his ministers are injured when Moshe Dwek throws a grenade into Israel's Knesset.

- 1960 – In Louisville, Kentucky, Cassius Clay (who later takes the name Muhammad Ali) wins his first professional fight.

- 1960 – An airplane carrying the Cal Poly football team crashes on takeoff in Toledo, Ohio.

- 1961 – Syria exits from the United Arab Republic.

- 1964 – The United Republic of Tanganyika and Zanzibar is renamed the United Republic of Tanzania.

- 1964 – A collection of irreplaceable gems, including the 565 carat (113 g) Star of India, is stolen by a group of thieves (among them is "Murph the surf") from the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.

- 1967 – Montreal's World Fair, Expo 67, closes with over 50 million visitors.

- 1969 – The first-ever computer-to-computer link is established on ARPANET, the precursor to the Internet.

- 1971 – In Macon, Georgia, guitarist Duane Allman is killed in a motorcycle accident.

- 1972 – The three surviving perpetrators of the Munich massacre are released from prison in exchange for the hostages of hijacked Lufthansa Flight 615.

- 1980 – Demonstration flight of a secretly modified C-130 for an Iran hostage crisis rescue attempt ends in crash landing at Eglin Air Force Base's Duke Field, Florida leading to cancellation of Operation Credible Sport.

- 1985 – Major General Samuel K. Doe is announced the winner of the first multi-party election in Liberia.

- 1986 – British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher opens the last stretch of the M25 motorway.

- 1991 – The American Galileo spacecraft makes its closest approach to 951 Gaspra, becoming the first probe to visit an asteroid.

- 1994 – Francisco Martin Duran fires over two dozen shots at the White House; he is later convicted of trying to kill US President Bill Clinton.

- 1998 – In South Africa, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission presents its report, which condemns both sides for committing atrocities.

- 1998 – Space Shuttle Discovery blasts off on STS-95 with 77-year-old John Glenn on board, making him the oldest person to go into space.

- 1998 – ATSC HDTV broadcasting in the United States is inaugurated with the launch of the STS-95 space shuttle mission.

- 1998 – While en route from Adana to Ankara, a Turkish Airlines flight with a crew of six and 33 passengers is hijacked by a Kurdish militant who orders the pilot to fly to Switzerland. The plane instead lands in Ankara after the pilot tricked the hijacker into thinking that he is landing in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia to refuel.

- 1998 – Hurricane Mitch, the second deadliest Atlantic hurricane in history, makes landfall in Honduras.

- 1998 – The Gothenburg discothèque fire in Sweden kills 63 and injures 200.

- 1999 – A large cyclone devastates Odisha, India.

- 2002 – Ho Chi Minh City ITC fire, a fire destroys a luxurious department store where 1500 people are shopping. Over 60 people die and over 100 are unaccounted for. It is the deadliest disaster in Vietnam during peacetime.

- 2004 – The Arabic-language news network Al Jazeera broadcasts an excerpt from a 2004 Osama bin Laden video in which the terrorist leader first admits direct responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks and references the 2004 U.S. presidential election.

- 2005 – Bombings in Delhi, India kill more than 60.

- 2008 – Delta Air Lines merges with Northwest Airlines, creating the world's largest airline and reducing the number of US legacy carriers to five.

- 2012 – Hurricane Sandy hits the east coast of the United States, killing 148 directly and 138 indirectly, while leaving nearly $70 billion in damages and causing major power outages.

- 2015 – China announces the end of One-child policy after 35 years.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1897 – Joseph Goebbels, German lawyer and politician, Propaganda Minister of Nazi Germany

- 1920 – Baruj Benacerraf, Venezuelan-American physician and immunologist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1923 – Carl Djerassi, Austrian-American chemist, author, and playwright

- 1930 – Niki de Saint Phalle, French sculptor and painter

- 1932 - Charlotte Knobloch, President of Central Council of Jews in Germany

- 1938 – Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Liberian politician, 24th President of Liberia, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1938 – Ralph Bakshi, American director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1942 – Bob Ross, American painter and television host

- 1943 – Don Simpson, American actor, producer, and screenwriter

- 1946 – Peter Green, English singer-songwriter and guitarist (Fleetwood Mac and John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers)

- 1947 – Richard Dreyfuss, American actor, singer, and producer

- 1957 – Dan Castellaneta, American actor, voice artist, singer and producer

- 1960 - Dieter Nuhr, German comedian, carbaret artist, author and television presenter

- 1971 – Winona Ryder, American actress and producer

- 1974 – Michael Vaughan, English cricketer and sportscaster

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Quote of the day

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Jaslandia, Vista Major, Percyton

Will Rajoy allow pro-independence parties to stand in the new Catalan elections?

Axeldonia

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=axeldonia/detail=factbook/id=867432

Added a free company in today's lore update

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Will Rajoy allow pro-independence parties to stand in the new Catalan elections?

He welcomed the former leader to stand so I don’t see why not

Yukona wrote:He welcomed the former leader to stand so I don’t see why not

I wonder what Madrid's response will be if pro-indy parties hold the majority.

Rajoy: Oh, I don't like this result. Think I'll dissolve the parliament again and send in the police to beat the Catalans until they feel sufficiently Spanish.

Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia

Nuremgard wrote:I wonder what Madrid's response will be if pro-indy parties hold the majority.

Rajoy: Oh, I don't like this result. Think I'll dissolve the parliament again and send in the police to beat the Catalans until they feel sufficiently Spanish.

Catalans: Okay, we've had an election now and we'd still like to discu-

Spanish government: LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Lex Caledonia, Spanelsko

Axeldonia wrote:Catalans: Okay, we've had an election now and we'd still like to discu-

Spanish government: LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Catalonia: Can we have a referendum?

Madrid: Constitution says no.

Catalonia: Can we amend the constitution?

Madrid: No. Now get back to being proud of being Spanish and be proud your government beats its own citizens.

Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Spanelsko

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1943 – Don Simpson, American actor, producer, and screenwriter

- 1957 – Dan Castellaneta, American actor, voice artist, singer and producer

So Dan Castellaneta, voice of Homer Simpson and others on The Simpsons, is born on the same day as a famous person named Simpson?

https://media.giphy.com/media/7GcdjWkek7Apq/giphy.gif

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Nuremgard wrote:Catalonia: Can we have a referendum?

Madrid: Constitution says no.

Catalonia: Can we amend the constitution?

Madrid: No. Now get back to being proud of being Spanish and be proud your government beats its own citizens.

D I R E C T R U L E F R O M B A R C E L O N A

CATALUNYA SINDICALISTICA

Nuremgard, Andromitus, Fuhrmania

Nuremgard wrote:That depends which nation you ask.

I consider them to be Devils..... Atheism is still a religion, and a nation that has atheism as its national religion is just as bad as a nation that claims its national religion is Catholicism.

Lemme know if that doesn’t make a lot of sense, I’m incredibly hung over right now from a party last night.

Friedensreich wrote:I consider them to be Devils..... Atheism is still a religion, and a nation that has atheism as its national religion is just as bad as a nation that claims its national religion is Catholicism.

Lemme know if that doesn’t make a lot of sense, I’m incredibly hung over right now from a party last night.

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a lack of belief in god(s)

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a lack of belief in god(s)

It is a religion. You’re taking an active rejection of the belief in any deities and instead replacing their existence with a faithlike stance on nature and the sciences.

And according to the old dictionary.....

“Religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith”

This definition is why I consider communism my religion, because it is a system of beliefs that I hold with fierce faith.

Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:It is a religion. You’re taking an active rejection of the belief in any deities and instead replacing their existence with a faithlike stance on nature and the sciences.

And according to the old dictionary.....

“Religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith”

This definition is why I consider communism my religion, because it is a system of beliefs that I hold with fierce faith.

Science is not defined or backed up by faith. It's backed up by evidence. That's the difference. Atheism is not a religion. There are no tenets of Atheism. There are no 10 Commandments of Atheism. There is no place of worship for Atheism nor is there an authority which rules over all atheists and defines doctrines.

Trying to call atheism a religion is absolutely ludicrous.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:Science is not defined or backed up by faith. It's backed up by evidence. That's the difference. Atheism is not a religion. There are no tenets of Atheism. There are no 10 Commandments of Atheism. There is no place of worship for Atheism nor is there an authority which rules over all atheists and defines doctrines.

Trying to call atheism a religion is absolutely ludicrous.

https://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Vista Major wrote:https://firstchurchofatheism.com/

Well these people are f*cking stupid.

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Satanism is the only religion allowed in Fuhrmania

Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:Science is not defined or backed up by faith. It's backed up by evidence. That's the difference. Atheism is not a religion. There are no tenets of Atheism. There are no 10 Commandments of Atheism. There is no place of worship for Atheism nor is there an authority which rules over all atheists and defines doctrines.

Trying to call atheism a religion is absolutely ludicrous.

Clearly you didn’t understand the definition.

It doesn’t matter if you “follow Science” (which is intellectually dishonest in and of itself because it pre-limits your ability to see other points of view) or not, you still hold the system of beliefs as sacrosanct, or in an almost dogmatic way. That is what the definition meant.

Not the fact you believe with faith, but rather you hold the beliefs to an almost faithful level.

I’m clearly striking a nerve here, which tells me you hold your beliefs in science to be almost infallibly correct. Nothing can prove your beliefs wrong, and if someone tries they’re simply wrong.

Fuhrmania wrote:Satanism is the only religion allowed in Fuhrmania

#PurgeAllHeretics

Vista Major wrote:https://firstchurchofatheism.com/

WTF?

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Clearly you didn’t understand the definition.

It doesn’t matter if you “follow Science” (which is intellectually dishonest in and of itself because it pre-limits your ability to see other points of view) or not, you still hold the system of beliefs as sacrosanct, or in an almost dogmatic way. That is what the definition meant.

Not the fact you believe with faith, but rather you hold the beliefs to an almost faithful level.

I’m clearly striking a nerve here, which tells me you hold your beliefs in science to be almost infallibly correct. Nothing can prove your beliefs wrong, and if someone tries they’re simply wrong.

I don't hold my beliefs in science sacrosanct. The best part about science is that it's not sacrosanct and is always changing. Scientists spend most of their time trying to disprove theories. It's called falsification.

You didn't touch a nerve. If you hold a political ideology as your personal religion, I think that is deeply unhealthy.

Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:I don't hold my beliefs in science sacrosanct. The best part about science is that it's not sacrosanct and is always changing. Scientists spend most of their time trying to disprove theories. It's called falsification.

You didn't touch a nerve. If you hold a political ideology as your personal religion, I think that is deeply unhealthy.

Would it be possible to call him a fanatic? since having ideology as religion i do certainly consider fanaticism.

Spanelsko wrote:#PurgeAllHeretics

No *convert all Christians to the satanic church

Spanelsko

Nuremgard wrote:I don't hold my beliefs in science sacrosanct. The best part about science is that it's not sacrosanct and is always changing. Scientists spend most of their time trying to disprove theories. It's called falsification.

You didn't touch a nerve. If you hold a political ideology as your personal religion, I think that is deeply unhealthy.

You have yet to prove me wrong, mate. What makes your belief in science so much more legitimate than other religions? You have evidence to back up your beliefs, and so do other religions.

It’s not, actually. It follows the definition that I have provided.

Friedensreich wrote:You have yet to prove me wrong, mate. What makes your belief in science so much more legitimate than other religions? You have evidence to back up your beliefs, and so do other religions.

It’s not, actually. It follows the definition that I have provided.

What evidence do religions have exactly?

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:What evidence do religions have exactly?

They have their holy books, which they use as evidence for their belief systems.

Friedensreich wrote:They have their holy books, which they use as evidence for their belief systems.

LOL. You are seriously comparing holy books with the evidence presented by scientists?

Okay, mate. Atheism is a religion. :P

Axeldonia, Spanelsko

"Gory gory what a hell of a way to die"

Nuremgard wrote:LOL. You are seriously comparing holy books with the evidence presented by scientists?

Okay, mate. Atheism is a religion. :P

You know you’re being kind of an ass, right?

Friedensreich wrote:They have their holy books, which they use as evidence for their belief systems.

You mean books of fiction right?

Fuhrmania wrote:No *convert all Christians to the satanic church

I would normally say burn in hell demon, then again demons live in hell, so i will say this, BURN IN HEAVEN HELL BEAST!

Friedensreich wrote:You know you’re being kind of an ass, right?

Wouldn't be the first time.

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Okay, wow. This website has some seriously amazing articles that've chabged my mind severam times. You fellow lefties should check them out, this time it's about our favourite topic, freeze peach.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/thinking-strategically-about-free-speech-and-violence

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:I wonder what Madrid's response will be if pro-indy parties hold the majority.

Rajoy: Oh, I don't like this result. Think I'll dissolve the parliament again and send in the police to beat the Catalans until they feel sufficiently Spanish.

I think the crux of the problem was because the IndyRef they already had was kinda illegal, most of the people that would vote for it to stay with Spain didn't vote at all - as they didn't recognise it. Put it this way, if Scotland got independence and suddenly the "Unionist Party" holds a random unionref not confirmed by the government - would you vote in it? Now that it's all within the actual system of Spain, albeit harshly for some reason, those people who originally didn't vote can do in national elections which are official and very binding, and as a result maybe the Spanish central government expects this portion of people to turn out for them? In addition, I think it's also important to think that now the country is split between Indy and Union, the voters in Catalonia will be forced to vote for the central government's party currently in power just to prevent independence. Just the same as you may vote SNP for independence, but you don't actually agree with their manifesto - in fact, you'd vote UKIP if they weren't so British and uniony (for example). As a result, I think it's safe to say, once it's in the system then he'll have to pay a lot more attention to it, but it's also a gamble because now he's extended the hand there's a chance the pro-Spain people of Catalonia and the rest of Spain itself will rally behind his party and - if he holds majority - he can extend his power by a lot and advance his party's agenda even further.

The Empire Of Handland, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:I think the crux of the problem was because the IndyRef they already had was kinda illegal, most of the people that would vote for it to stay with Spain didn't vote at all - as they didn't recognise it. Put it this way, if Scotland got independence and suddenly the "Unionist Party" holds a random unionref not confirmed by the government - would you vote in it? Now that it's all within the actual system of Spain, albeit harshly for some reason, those people who originally didn't vote can do in national elections which are official and very binding, and as a result maybe the Spanish central government expects this portion of people to turn out for them? In addition, I think it's also important to think that now the country is split between Indy and Union, the voters in Catalonia will be forced to vote for the central government's party currently in power just to prevent independence. Just the same as you may vote SNP for independence, but you don't actually agree with their manifesto - in fact, you'd vote UKIP if they weren't so British and uniony (for example). As a result, I think it's safe to say, once it's in the system then he'll have to pay a lot more attention to it, but it's also a gamble because now he's extended the hand there's a chance the pro-Spain people of Catalonia and the rest of Spain itself will rally behind his party and - if he holds majority - he can extend his power by a lot and advance his party's agenda even further.

I don't deny the referendum was illegal but the fact that it was illegal is the problem. What kind of constitution forbids self-determination? It's ludicrous. The Spanish government has handled this very badly.

Also, many people did not vote in the referendum because they saw how violent the police were being. Would you risk being beaten up by a policeman just to go vote? I know I wouldn't.

Spain needs to amend its constitution to allow for a legal referendum. Then Catalonia can decide on its future freely and fairly. I am not pro-independence for Catalonia per say, I am more pro-self-determination.

Axeldonia, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova

Axeldonia wrote:Okay, wow. This website has some seriously amazing articles that've chabged my mind severam times. You fellow lefties should check them out, this time it's about our favourite topic, freeze peach.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/thinking-strategically-about-free-speech-and-violence

An interesting article but what is the solution? How do we deal with Nazis and the far-right without compromising our principles of free speech?

I personally don't see an issue with using violence against them. They were perfectly happy to use violence against their opponents in the past and would do so again today. Give them a taste of their own medicine. But like all fascists, they don't like it up them.

Axeldonia

Nuremgard wrote:An interesting article but what is the solution? How do we deal with Nazis and the far-right without compromising our principles of free speech?

I personally don't see an issue with using violence against them. They were perfectly happy to use violence against their opponents in the past

Because two wrongs don’t make a right?

Nuremgard wrote:An interesting article but what is the solution? How do we deal with Nazis and the far-right without compromising our principles of free speech?

I personally don't see an issue with using violence against them. They were perfectly happy to use violence against their opponents in the past and would do so again today. Give them a taste of their own medicine. But like all fascists, they don't like it up them.

Well, the thing is there's no clear-cut solution. I think protesting peacefully but being ready to defend yourself is the best option, but we should punch the occasional nazi to remind them they're not really welcome.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Because two wrongs don’t make a right?

But allowing them to speak normalises and legitimises their views. People should not be allowed to freely say things like, "let's kill all the Jews/Muslims/gays" etc.

Axeldonia wrote:Well, the thing is there's no clear-cut solution. I think protesting peacefully but being ready to defend yourself is the best option, but we should punch the occasional nazi to remind them they're not really welcome.

It's complicated but remember, in the end, we had to fight a war to defeat these bastards.

Axeldonia

Friedensreich wrote:Clearly you didn’t understand the definition.

It doesn’t matter if you “follow Science” (which is intellectually dishonest in and of itself because it pre-limits your ability to see other points of view) or not, you still hold the system of beliefs as sacrosanct, or in an almost dogmatic way. That is what the definition meant.

Not the fact you believe with faith, but rather you hold the beliefs to an almost faithful level.

I’m clearly striking a nerve here, which tells me you hold your beliefs in science to be almost infallibly correct. Nothing can prove your beliefs wrong, and if someone tries they’re simply wrong.

Pretty much what Nurem said. Science isn't held as sacrosanct by most educated people because Science as a field is constantly changing. It follows the highest brand of evidence provided through tests and experiments.

If we were truly to hold Science as sacrosanct, then we'd probably still believe in Cold Fusion from the 50's.

It doesn't limit your views, honestly, except by what can be demonstrably explained in our physical world. So, if it's limiting anyone, it's only the people who can't actually prove anything.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia

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