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Kalaron wrote:Yes! Bare yourself to the world with the Unionist :P

There are quite a few Englishmen I'd like to make a very close and personal Union with, know what I'm saying? ;)

Yukona, Percyton, United Continental States

There's this Challenge button on every nation's page. What does it do exactly?

Jaslandia

South Hyder wrote:Of course it is, if you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe William J. Baumol in his book, The Free-market Innovation Machine: Analyzing the Growth Miracle of Capitalism. (Great read!)

[spoiler=Online Edition]https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=mYW5B4vnuUUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR3&dq=capitalism+and+innovation&ots=tOagFa2Nke&sig=r63Tky0NHg_xAoGguUV2W0fSWwE#v=onepage&q&f=false[/spoiler]

Not a single thing in what you linked to me had any relevance to the topic, and you've got me fûcked up if you think I'm paying 31$ for that.

Axeldonia

Friedensreich wrote:Dirty Unionists, gimme a unified Ireland already!

Éirinn go Brách!

Nuremgard wrote:I have also heard experiences from Scots who visit/live in England. People mocking their accents, calling them [B]Jocks[/B], calling them scroungers. Also heard experiences in certain industries up here (like in oil) of English bosses treating their Scottish underlings with contempt.

I remember Donald and Douglas telling me about that. The twins used to refer to the engines of the Highland Railway as 'jocks'. In fact, that's how the engine Jock of the Arlesdale Railway got his name, since he had the same yellow livery as the Highland engines.

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Jock

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/The_Highland_Engines

Ludania wrote:Do any countries which have a monarchy want the Ludanian Queen to be from there? She's from a fictional country at the moment.

Hey Ludania! How are you?

Ludania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Not a single thing in what you linked to me had any relevance to the topic, and you've got me fûcked up if you think I'm paying 31$ for that.

In the preview there are good points regarding the necessity and relation between capitalism and innovation, you don't have to buy the book.

South Hyder wrote:In the preview there are good points regarding the necessity and relation between capitalism and innovation, you don't have to buy the book.

Try to prove your point with something I can afford, please.

Axeldonia

Percyton wrote:I remember Donald and Douglas telling me about that. The twins used to refer to the engines of the Highland Railway as 'jocks'. In fact, that's how the engine Jock of the Arlesdale Railway got his name, since he had the same yellow livery as the Highland engines.

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Jock

http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/The_Highland_Engines

Hey Ludania! How are you?

I'm good thanks Percyton! How are you doing?

I'm just dreading work in the morning.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Ludania wrote:I'm good thanks Percyton! How are you doing?

I'm just dreading work in the morning.

We've all been there, my man. Pull a sickie! Be a rebel!

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Moldegaard wrote:There's this Challenge button on every nation's page. What does it do exactly?

It basically pairs your nation up with another nation, and sees who is the best in a certain WA Census category (youth rebelliousness, niceness, basket weaving industry, etc.).

Nuremgard

Friedensreich wrote:Try to prove your point with something I can afford, please.

As I've said, the first chapter is free and sufficiently covers most relevant points.

Nuremgard wrote:https://youtu.be/UJWQdZW6iHY?t=8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBL-qImwQU

It's a fairly simple game if you're watching a Twenty20 Blast match (basically the fast, quick version of cricket). You have two teams of eleven men, one team fields and the other bats (so you have a wicket either end of a small pitch - the brown area) and the bowler throws the ball over arm at the batsman at a specific end. Once the batsman receives the ball he has a few options or sometimes it's too quick and he just has to hope. He can either chip it close to him, this usually just rolls about 10-20ft away from the pitch and will only score two runs. This is where the batsmen run between each wicket to try and score, because the ball plopped just in front of them on its own scores nothing. He can also give it a good whack, this could send it to the boundary rope which - if it hits - counts as a four, they can also run on top of this whilst the fielders scramble to get the ball back to the pitch to try and get them out. If they hit out the boundary it becomes a six, which is the highest score (I don't think they can run on this because there's no way of getting the ball back to stop them from just running up the score forever, it's out of play).

With batting sorted, all you need to know is each team has an "innings" - which is basically a turn to bat. In that innings, there are twenty overs, which each consist of 6 balls. So altogether there are 120 balls bowled at each team. They must try and beat the other by getting as many runs (this includes both actual runs and the batting scores, such as a 6 or 4) without getting their entire batting team out, which is 11 men. For example, if a score is 154 for 4, it means they scored 154 and only got 4 batsmen out, that's pretty good. If they get all out, they must end their innings short, the second team must then try and beat this score and when they do, they win.

To get out, a couple of things can happen and the rules get complicated as to what is and what isn't OK. If he hits it into a fielder's hand without it bouncing, he's out. If he chips it into the wicket keeper (the guy who stands behind the wickets) hands, he's also out. If it goes straight into the wickie's hands and the batsman's trying to run, he can knock off the bails and the batsman is out. If you look close, they also have a tiny line in front of where they stand to bat called the crease, and when they run to the other side they come out of this tiny box and they're basically in no-man's land. In this area, if any of the fielders get the ball they can try and strike the wickets by either throwing the ball to a closer fielder to knock off the bails, throw the ball at the wickets on the off chance of striking them, and that means batsman is then out.

Hopefully that wasn't too confusing.

Nuremgard

Jaslandia wrote:It basically pairs your nation up with another nation, and sees who is the best in a certain WA Census category (youth rebelliousness, niceness, basket weaving industry, etc.).

So there's nothing, like, mean spirited about it? Just a comparison

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Éirinn go Brách!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZfYtCLA23s&t

Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:We've all been there, my man. Pull a sickie! Be a rebel!

Agh! My principles!

Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Moldegaard wrote:So there's nothing, like, mean spirited about it? Just a comparison

It's competitive in a way, but it's not mean-spirited unless you or the other person makes it mean-spirited.

Moldegaard

Yukona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZfYtCLA23s&t

That gives me what we call in Scotland the dry boak.

As for your cricket...whatever cooks your pudding. I'm not a sports person. Especially not cricket. If I was a sports person, I wouldn't watch cricket because it looks so dull.

Ludania wrote:Agh! My principles!

Take the Groucho Marx approach to principles. ;)

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:It basically pairs your nation up with another nation, and sees who is the best in a certain WA Census category (youth rebelliousness, niceness, basket weaving industry, etc.).

So there's nothing, like, mean spirited about it? Just a comparison

Jaslandia wrote:It's competitive in a way, but it's not mean-spirited unless you or the other person makes it mean-spirited.

Okay thanks!

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:That gives me what we call in Scotland the dry boak.

As for your cricket...whatever cooks your pudding. I'm not a sports person. Especially not cricket. If I was a sports person, I wouldn't watch cricket because it looks so dull.

It's better to actually go and see a fast game, it's more of a sociable thing - you get a beer, you chat to people around you and have a laugh with the players - you're probably thinking of test match cricket which goes on for days and can be boring. Think of it like having the TV on in a room where you're talking with your mates, when interesting things are happening, you pay attention. Plus, they're trying to make it more appealing by adding music, chants and faster paced. In the Twenty20 games you're looking for big hits and big scores, it's a different tactic.

Nuremgard

Yukona wrote:It's better to actually go and see a fast game, it's more of a sociable thing - you get a beer, you chat to people around you and have a laugh with the players - you're probably thinking of test match cricket which goes on for days and can be boring. Think of it like having the TV on in a room where you're talking with your mates, when interesting things are happening, you pay attention. Plus, they're trying to make it more appealing by adding music, chants and faster paced. In the Twenty20 games you're looking for big hits and big scores, it's a different tactic.

Fair enough. I'm just not a sports person.

Yukona

Yukona wrote:It's better to actually go and see a fast game, it's more of a sociable thing - you get a beer, you chat to people around you and have a laugh with the players - you're probably thinking of test match cricket which goes on for days and can be boring. Think of it like having the TV on in a room where you're talking with your mates, when interesting things are happening, you pay attention. Plus, they're trying to make it more appealing by adding music, chants and faster paced. In the Twenty20 games you're looking for big hits and big scores, it's a different tactic.

Stick on some Game of Thrones or a history documentary, or historical drama and I'm with you all the way.

Yukona

Ludania wrote:I'm good thanks Percyton! How are you doing?

I'm just dreading work in the morning.

Please, call me Percy. And I'm doing good. I'm doing my nightly mail run, and besides a signals failure at Wellsworth that caused me to be delayed for a little bit, it's been going good.

Anyway, your NS nation is still in Britain, right? I'm asking because my nation is basically surrounded by your nation, since Percyton is located between the Isle of Man and the region of Cumbria. Since Percyton is still just a small island, I imagine I'm going to be working closely with your nation economically and in terms of certain public services.

Ludania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Percyton wrote:Please, call me Percy. And I'm doing good. I'm doing my nightly mail run, and besides a signals failure at Wellsworth that caused me to be delayed for a little bit, it's been going good.

Anyway, your NS nation is still in Britain, right? I'm asking because my nation is basically surrounded by your nation, since Percyton is located between the Isle of Man and the region of Cumbria. Since Percyton is still just a small island, I imagine I'm going to be working closely with your nation economically and in terms of certain public services.

Great news, Percy!

Pretty much still Britain, except we're a "What if the Anglo-Saxons never came?" kinda place. That's true, we must be super close! Maybe the King should come for a visit sometime.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Ludania wrote:Great news, Percy!

Pretty much still Britain, except we're a "What if the Anglo-Saxons never came?" kinda place. That's true, we must be super close! Maybe the King should come for a visit sometime.

Bloody Anglo Saxons, coming over here, taking our jobs.

Ludania, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Bloody Anglo Saxons, coming over here, taking our jobs.

When, oh when will the Mab Darogan save us from these barbarian invaders??

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:Great news, Percy!

Pretty much still Britain, except we're a "What if the Anglo-Saxons never came?" kinda place. That's true, we must be super close! Maybe the King should come for a visit sometime.

Yes, please do visit one day! Percyton is a really nice and unique place, and we'll be sure to make special preparations for your arrival. Just to update you, Percyton separated from your nation via a revolution in 1920, but our nations became closer again during World War II (though I'm not sure if WWII happened in this region's timeline), and we've worked together ever since!

Ludania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:When, oh when will the Mab Darogan save us from these barbarian invaders??

How are the royals anyway? Enjoying their holiday?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:How are the royals anyway? Enjoying their holiday?

It's just the Queen Mother who's holidaying. Everyone else is busy setting standards for afternoon tea etiquette this week.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:It's just the Queen Mother who's holidaying. Everyone else is busy setting standards for afternoon tea etiquette this week.

The Norsk imperials are all on holiday. The Tsar is at his private estate.

Ludania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:The Norsk imperials are all on holiday. The Tsar is at his private estate.

The Prince Inheritor is rumoured to be quitting the army soon so that he can settle down and play a bigger role in public life. Shocking scandals and engagement rumours to be expected.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:The Prince Inheritor is rumoured to be quitting the army soon so that he can settle down and play a bigger role in public life. Shocking scandals and engagement rumours to be expected.

Archduke Aleksandr is still serving in the Marines. Archduke Valerian is having a fabulous time in Monaco with his mates.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Would anybody like to start trading with me?

Here is what I have:

Natural Resources: cobalt, copper, niobium, tantalum, petroleum

industrial and gem diamonds, gold, silver, zinc

manganese, tin, uranium,

coal, hydropower, timber,

From Angola: petroleum, diamonds,

iron ore, phosphates, copper,

feldspar, gold,

bauxite, uranium

Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Bloody Anglo Saxons, coming over here, taking our jobs.

The Northmen will save you ;P

Nuremgard

Sulania wrote:I AM VERY SAD

Why, honey?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Ludania wrote:Thank you! That's really nice to hear :)

I haven't been posting much lately because I've been working until late this summer.

Oh hey look who it is! How're you Lud :D

Ludania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

I want to know why 12 people are voting against the new map?

Solla Ultima wrote:I want to know why 12 people are voting against the new map?

No clue from me. I guess those 12 people don't want an actual economics and trade system set up and a more realistic RP. Because you know regions of the world are going to become suddenly much more valuable if the map says they have gold, silver, copper, or any other valuable metals and minerals.

Peoples Liberation Republic, Solla Ultima

Friedensreich wrote:No clue from me. I guess those 12 people don't want an actual economics and trade system set up and a more realistic RP. Because you know regions of the world are going to become suddenly much more valuable if the map says they have gold, silver, copper, or any other valuable metals and minerals.

So, a lucky few get to have all great stuff and have small little RPs, while the people who don't just get lucky and get nice spots can sit with their thumbs up their arses, sounds just gr8 to me.

Magnatronia

Sulania wrote:I AM VERY SAD

Okay

Nuremgard wrote:Why, honey?

Honey is weird even between spouses

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, a lucky few get to have all great stuff and have small little RPs, while the people who don't just get lucky and get nice spots can sit with their thumbs up their arses, sounds just gr8 to me.

This guy gets it

Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, United Continental States

Solla Ultima wrote:I want to know why 12 people are voting against the new map?

A: I feel a real-world map would work better in terms of my lore, and I imagine others also feel that way.

B: I feel an Earth-based map presents more strategic opportunities in terms of taking advantage of isthmuses, mountains, waterways, etc. than a custom map would.

C: I don't see a pressing need for a new map, and I feel stuff like RP economics and a more codified structure could be achieved with our current map.

D: A custom map would require a lot more work to set up, in terms of resource allocation, history, geography, etc., and figuring that stuff out could potentially prove controversial or at least complicated. With our current map, we at the very least have a basic outline for all that stuff based on RL conditions.

Peoples Liberation Republic, Kalaron, Tserra, United Continental States

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, a lucky few get to have all great stuff and have small little RPs, while the people who don't just get lucky and get nice spots can sit with their thumbs up their arses, sounds just gr8 to me.

That's not true, at all.

I dunno where you're getting the idea that there a few great spots and the rest are utter garbage, because that is incorrect. Every part of the world has some use- be it farmland, minerals, etc.

Even goddamned Jas- whose nation is almost entirely a bloody desolate desert- sits on a huge deposit of oil.

You're in India and Pakistan, which has great farmland and rich gemstone deposits.

So please. don't bring up that load of bull.

Peoples Liberation Republic

Jaslandia wrote:A: I feel a real-world map would work better in terms of my lore, and I imagine others also feel that way.

B: I feel an Earth-based map presents more strategic opportunities in terms of taking advantage of isthmuses, mountains, waterways, etc. than a custom map would.

C: I don't see a pressing need for a new map, and I feel stuff like RP economics and a more codified structure could be achieved with our current map.

D: A custom map would require a lot more work to set up, in terms of resource allocation, history, geography, etc., and figuring that stuff out could potentially prove controversial or at least complicated. With our current map, we at the very least have a basic outline for all that stuff based on RL conditions.

This is pretty much my reasons, also because I really don't care to have a RL economic system.

Jaslandia, Tserra

Friedensreich wrote:That's not true, at all.

I dunno where you're getting the idea that there a few great spots and the rest are utter garbage, because that is incorrect. Every part of the world has some use- be it farmland, minerals, etc.

Even goddamned Jas- whose nation is almost entirely a bloody desolate desert- sits on a huge deposit of oil.

You're in India and Pakistan, which has great farmland and rich gemstone deposits.

So please. don't bring up that load of bull.

What if you want to a Canad like person, like me? So I get to on look on Mr. Saudi over there while I choke on my ice-cubes in my one glass of damn oil, and trees.

Jaslandia wrote:A: I feel a real-world map would work better in terms of my lore, and I imagine others also feel that way.

B: I feel an Earth-based map presents more strategic opportunities in terms of taking advantage of isthmuses, mountains, waterways, etc. than a custom map would.

C: I don't see a pressing need for a new map, and I feel stuff like RP economics and a more codified structure could be achieved with our current map.

D: A custom map would require a lot more work to set up, in terms of resource allocation, history, geography, etc., and figuring that stuff out could potentially prove controversial or at least complicated. With our current map, we at the very least have a basic outline for all that stuff based on RL conditions.

If you don't what to participate in a new map why just abstain from vote allowing other people to enjoy a new map.

Solla Ultima wrote:If you don't what to participate in a new map why just abstain from vote allowing other people to enjoy a new map.

So, because you want something others should just stay quiet. What a dangerously sad philosophy.

Tserra, Magnatronia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, because you want something others should just stay quiet. What a dangerously sad philosophy.

if it dosent harm others then why stop others from doing it

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:What if you want to a Canad like person, like me? So I get to on look on Mr. Saudi over there while I choke on my ice-cubes in my one glass of damn oil, and trees.

Uh, what?

And, don't you see? You've got gems, farmland (ergo, pristine agriculture), and iron, gold, and silver. Wouldn't it make sense for you to, oh... I dunno, maybe trade for the oil?

Obviously Jas is going to need some help with crops, because, well.... he's in a desert. Don't you see how an agreement can be made?

Solla Ultima

Solla Ultima wrote:If you don't what to participate in a new map why just abstain from vote allowing other people to enjoy a new map.

Why not keep the one we have now and allow for the people who want a new map to use it in specialized RPs for them?

The question is meaningless because voting for one side doesn't really impair the other, it just means the "main" map swaps to a new one or stays the same. Beyond that, pretty much ninety percent of what's conflated with getting a new map could be done with our current one, like codifying rules.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, because you want something others should just stay quiet. What a dangerously sad philosophy.

Please be polite.

Jaslandia, Magnatronia

Friedensreich wrote:Uh, what?

And, don't you see? You've got gems, farmland (ergo, pristine agriculture), and iron, gold, and silver. Wouldn't it make sense for you to, oh... I dunno, maybe trade for the oil?

Obviously Jas is going to need some help with crops, because, well.... he's in a desert. Don't you see how an agreement can be made?

Which causes manipulation. "Don't want to starve Jas, gimmie your oil."

Friedensreich wrote:Uh, what?

And, don't you see? You've got gems, farmland (ergo, pristine agriculture), and iron, gold, and silver. Wouldn't it make sense for you to, oh... I dunno, maybe trade for the oil?

Obviously Jas is going to need some help with crops, because, well.... he's in a desert. Don't you see how an agreement can be made?

thats what I've been saying

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Which causes manipulation. "Don't want to starve Jas, gimmie your oil."

And that's suddenly a bad thing?

It makes the RP more realistic and actually makes things a challenge. It's not like now where I can embargo you and it have no effect on my economy because I don't rely on your trade for anything.

Baxten

Every so often Baxten gets this dumb idea to set up an economy system and it's always a bad idea and this is no exception. The systems proposed for the economic system are thin at best and just terrible at worst. Like, he wants to assign some random areas as having X resource? And you trust people to accurately RP with that and not just claim the high value spots and then pretend they have a money tree? To be honest that system would be better on a real-world map so at least you're not trusting some mapmaker (who will also take part in the RP lets not forget) to delegate out goodies. Speaking of the new map, I don't really see the need for it. You're a modern RP, why do you need a new map? Many of you guys already have established lore set in the real world, I don't see the point of it.

I might not be active in the modern RP anymore, but I'll still chime in with my opinion of the dumb things people try to steer it towards.

Jaslandia, Peoples Liberation Republic, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, United Continental States

Solla Ultima wrote:If you don't what to participate in a new map why just abstain from vote allowing other people to enjoy a new map.

Why should I? If this map is going to happen whether we like it or not, than what's the purpose of the vote? Bax asked for feedback, and I'm doing just that. I have just as much right to vote as you do. Besides, I RP just like you do, so I have a stake in this discussion too.

Kalaron, United Continental States

Plus [nation=short]Baxten[/nation], haven't you said numerous times that the Earth map is going to be kept?

Andromitus, South Hyder

Unfallious wrote:Every so often Baxten gets this dumb idea to set up an economy system and it's always a bad idea and this is no exception. The systems proposed for the economic system are thin at best and just terrible at worst. Like, he wants to assign some random areas as having X resource? And you trust people to accurately RP with that and not just claim the high value spots and then pretend they have a money tree? To be honest that system would be better on a real-world map so at least you're not trusting some mapmaker (who will also take part in the RP lets not forget) to delegate out goodies. Speaking of the new map, I don't really see the need for it. You're a modern RP, why do you need a new map? Many of you guys already have established lore set in the real world, I don't see the point of it.

I might not be active in the modern RP anymore, but I'll still chime in with my opinion of the dumb things people try to steer it towards.

TY Unf.

Jaslandia wrote:Why should I? If this map is going to happen whether we like it or not, than what's the purpose of the vote? Bax asked for feedback, and I'm doing just that. I have just as much right to vote as you do. Besides, I RP just like you do, so I have a stake in this discussion too.

Heck, even I do and I exist in a state of half RP.

Jaslandia, United Continental States

Friedensreich wrote:And that's suddenly a bad thing?

It makes the RP more realistic and actually makes things a challenge. It's not like now where I can embargo you and it have no effect on my economy because I don't rely on your trade for anything.

Yeah, but that ruins the fun for Jas lol. If I wanted to have the sad, true realization of the global economy I'd turn on the TV. This is a game, I want to have fun, not get continually fuked over just based on my luck.

Friedensreich wrote:Plus [nation=short]Baxten[/nation], haven't you said numerous times that the Earth map is going to be kept?

Yeah because splitting the tiny RP community we have is a totally great idea. At least with the Medieval RP (coming soon guys I promise xx) there's a massive overhaul so as to appeal to a new audience. This is just 'modern RP but it's a new map'

Jaslandia, Kalaron, The United Providences Of Perland, United Continental States

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:So, a lucky few get to have all great stuff and have small little RPs, while the people who don't just get lucky and get nice spots can sit with their thumbs up their arses, sounds just gr8 to me.

Was planning on spreading out resources, but make it to where no autarky BS could start. If you wanna just do that in the current map, research your plot's resources and ask for deals, like what PLR did.

Friedensreich, Solla Ultima

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Yeah, but that ruins the fun for Jas lol. If I wanted to have the sad, true realization of the global economy I'd turn on the TV. This is a game, I want to have fun, not get continually fuked over just based on my luck.

It's not based on luck. You just don't know how to use why you have properly. Like you said, this is a game. And in many games, you have to learn how to use your resources in a way that works best for you. How is this any different?

I completely understand why many nations would not want a new map, people have been working on their current countries for literal years and should not be forced to start over. Furthermore, with a map that resembles the real world, it is much easier to know exactly what resources exist and where they exist whereas in a new fictional map someone would have to work tediously to ensure resource allocation and even then, it could never be as precise as the real world.

That being said, I do wish there were some more rules and conventions to the way that this region conducts its roleplay, it seems kind of like anarchy at this point. Whether that is conducted through an intense conversation about how we are going to restructure this map or whether that is done through a new map doesn't matter much to me, as long as it gets done.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Magnatronia, United Continental States

Unfallious wrote:Yeah because splitting the tiny RP community we have is a totally great idea. At least with the Medieval RP (coming soon guys I promise xx) there's a massive overhaul so as to appeal to a new audience. This is just 'modern RP but it's a new map'

Hey look Presidium :P

Unfallious wrote:Yeah because splitting the tiny RP community we have is a totally great idea. At least with the Medieval RP (coming soon guys I promise xx) there's a massive overhaul so as to appeal to a new audience. This is just 'modern RP but it's a new map'

>Talks about it being a bad idea to split a tiny RO community

>Is creator of a whole other RP world that has caused members of the current RP to leave

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Which causes manipulation. "Don't want to starve Jas, gimmie your oil."

the current relative peacefulness the western world is enjoying is because nations are becoming more interlocked together require trade and the exchanging of ideas without what war between nations would become an every day normal ever since the un and international trade became wide spread practice the idea of fighting over resources have become irrelevant

Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:It's not based on luck. You just don't know how to use why you have properly. Like you said, this is a game. And in many games, you have to learn how to use your resources in a way that works best for you. How is this any different?

Because NS isn't that game for me lmao. If I wanted some nice real world sad stuff about how the global economy just kicks underprivileged nations to death, I'd play Democ. 3, or trading simulators. I just want to have some fun diplomacy here.

South Hyder wrote:I completely understand why many nations would not want a new map, people have been working on their current countries for literal years and should not be forced to start over. Furthermore, with a map that resembles the real world, it is much easier to know exactly what resources exist and where they exist whereas in a new fictional map someone would have to work tediously to ensure resource allocation and even then, it could never be as precise as the real world.

That being said, I do wish there were some more rules and conventions to the way that this region conducts its roleplay, it seems kind of like anarchy at this point. Whether that is conducted through an intense conversation about how we are going to restructure this map or whether that is done through a new map doesn't matter much to me, as long as it gets done.

I should note that I was planning on personally putting down resources, then getting them approved by others as to not have the illusion of bias in the selections I make. However, I totally understand why others wanna keep the regular map. I wanted to use a custom map as it'd be easier to so a total reboot and easier to implement the new rules. But I'm sure we'll find a way either way.

Friedensreich wrote:>Talks about it being a bad idea to split a tiny RO community

>Is creator of a whole other RP world that has caused members of the current RP to leave

Yeah but my RP is better and a rival product. You guys are literally shooting yourself in the foot with this dumb idea and it's annoying because I know many people are invested in that RP and I'd hate to see them lose all their lore and work because of dumb ideas

Jaslandia, Tserra, United Continental States, South Hyder

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Because NS isn't that game for me lmao. If I wanted some nice real world sad stuff about how the global economy just kicks underprivileged nations to death, I'd play Democ. 3, or trading simulators. I just want to have some fun diplomacy here.

"Underprivileged"

Again, use what you have. Every nation has something another needs. Even a supposedly highly educated nation like mine can make good use out of a poor African nation. Cheap labor, y'know?

Peoples Liberation Republic

South Hyder wrote:I completely understand why many nations would not want a new map, people have been working on their current countries for literal years and should not be forced to start over. Furthermore, with a map that resembles the real world, it is much easier to know exactly what resources exist and where they exist whereas in a new fictional map someone would have to work tediously to ensure resource allocation and even then, it could never be as precise as the real world.

That being said, I do wish there were some more rules and conventions to the way that this region conducts its roleplay, it seems kind of like anarchy at this point. Whether that is conducted through an intense conversation about how we are going to restructure this map or whether that is done through a new map doesn't matter much to me, as long as it gets done.

^ Those are basically my thoughts on the matter. The current RP world does need more structure at the moment, but a new map isn't the right way to go about it.

Kalaron, Tserra, The United Providences Of Perland, United Continental States, South Hyder

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Because NS isn't that game for me lmao. If I wanted some nice real world sad stuff about how the global economy just kicks underprivileged nations to death, I'd play Democ. 3, or trading simulators. I just want to have some fun diplomacy here.

then baxten would have to make sure that everyone has something to trade witch I'm sure he will do

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:Because NS isn't that game for me lmao. If I wanted some nice real world sad stuff about how the global economy just kicks underprivileged nations to death, I'd play Democ. 3, or trading simulators. I just want to have some fun diplomacy here.

Well Per, it's more than likely gonna get implemented in some way or another (at least I think) regardless of it being a new map or not. It'll just take longer if we keep our current map.

Nowadays, trade is a major part of diplomacy due to globalization. That's how the world works.

Friedensreich, Solla Ultima

Friedensreich wrote:"Underprivileged"

Again, use what you have. Every nation has something another needs. Even a supposedly highly educated nation like mine can make good use out of a poor African nation. Cheap labor, y'know?

You are proving my point. It just adds a fvked up factor to the whole thing. Especially if you want to be neutral.

Friedensreich wrote:>Talks about it being a bad idea to split a tiny RO community

>Is creator of a whole other RP world that has caused members of the current RP to leave

I haven't actually heard of anyone but Unf who has left MT RP for it, rather, most people are in both.

Yuk left MT RP somewhat because some people play it at different levels of thinking than others -or at least, that's what I gathered- but that wasn't a result of Unf's RP.

Solla Ultima wrote:the current relative peacefulness the western world is enjoying is because nations are becoming more interlocked together require trade and the exchanging of ideas without what war between nations would become an every day normal ever since the un and international trade became wide spread practice the idea of fighting over resources have become irrelevant

You'll have to forgive me if I don't believe that an economy would keep most nations from going to war inside of our RP.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

Baxten wrote:Well Per, it's more than likely gonna get implemented in some way or another (at least I think) regardless of it being a new map or not. It'll just take longer if we keep our current map.

Nowadays, trade is a major part of diplomacy due to globalization. That's how the world works.

THIS. IS. NOT. THE. REAL. WORLD. Why is that hard to understand? Once again, if I wanted super-realism I'd turn the TV on.

Jaslandia wrote:^ Those are basically my thoughts on the matter. The current RP world does need more structure at the moment, but a new map isn't the right way to go about it.

if we add a new economic system every nation that doesn't have access to the ocean would be f*cked the top world economies rely on trade through their ports

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:You are proving my point. It just adds a fvked up factor to the whole thing. Especially if you want to be neutral.

It doesn't prove your point at all. You don't want more realism because you think it leads to manipulation and doesn't help underprivileged nations grow.

And I literally just explained to you that I can help underprivileged nations grow by using their cheap labor in exchange for wage money.

Friedensreich wrote:"Underprivileged"

Again, use what you have. Every nation has something another needs. Even a supposedly highly educated nation like mine can make good use out of a poor African nation. Cheap labor, y'know?

Look at my country for example and the resources I have. Like so actual minimal research about where you want to be

Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:THIS. IS. NOT. THE. REAL. WORLD. Why is that hard to understand? Once again, if I wanted super-realism I'd turn the TV on.

I'm not stupid and it's not hard to understand. Just because we have different opinions doesn't mean I'm not seeing something.

Regardless of my opinon or your opinion, it'll be voted upon regardless of what the map is. Use your efforts there.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:Look at my country for example and the resources I have. Like so actual minimal research about where you want to be

Or be rational and work with other nations. Seriously, I've been a long advocate of that.

Peoples Liberation Republic

Solla Ultima wrote:if we add a new economic system every nation that doesn't have access to the ocean would be f*cked the top world economies rely on trade through their ports

Landlocked states exist the real-world too, and some have been successful, while others haven't been. If you play your cards well and take advantage of the resources around you, you could be both landlocked and successful.

Friedensreich, South Hyder

Jaslandia wrote:Landlocked states exist the real-world too, and some have been successful, while others haven't been. If you play your cards well and take advantage of the resources around you, you could be both landlocked and successful.

But, according to Perl, nations like that are underprivileged and will always be underprivileged.

South Hyder

Baxten wrote:Well Per, it's more than likely gonna get implemented in some way or another (at least I think) regardless of it being a new map or not. It'll just take longer if we keep our current map.

Nowadays, trade is a major part of diplomacy due to globalization. That's how the world works.

everyone please listen to bax and what he has to say the current map would require a serious amount of work to implement that system a new map would be much easier to control

let me give you a scenario if a game developer whats to change the basic structure of a game because he made a better game engine he can't because if he where to do that if would take to much effort and time for the payoff so he has to make a new game to implement this new system that is what i think bax wants to do

Jaslandia wrote:Landlocked states exist the real-world too, and some have been successful, while others haven't been. If you play your cards well and take advantage of the resources around you, you could be both landlocked and successful.

True, though personally speaking the degree of work there is a bit high for people who aren't on, say, Andy's level of sperg (:P)

No but really though, for my own reasons at least I'd prefer to at least be able to still hock my wares since that's literally all RP is for me and all I care for it to be.

Jaslandia

Solla Ultima wrote:everyone please listen to bax and what he has to say the current map would require a serious amount of work to implement that system a new map would be much easier to control

let me give you a scenario if a game developer whats to change the basic structure of a game because he made a better game engine he can't because if he where to do that if would take to much effort and time for the payoff so he has to make a new game to implement this new system that is what i think bax wants to do

It wouldn't take much time at all if people actually want to work with him and help him with it.

Boom, here's most of it done:

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Jaslandia wrote:Landlocked states exist the real-world too, and some have been successful, while others haven't been. If you play your cards well and take advantage of the resources around you, you could be both landlocked and successful.

yes they were successful but they are extremely handy caped by not having sea access the top 10 economics in the world all have access to the sea for trade

Friedensreich wrote:But, according to Perl, nations like that are underprivileged and will always be underprivileged.

I was referring to Africa, but I know having one's head up their a$$ can make it hard to hear correctly.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I was referring to Africa, but I know having one's head up their a$$ can make it hard to hear correctly.

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Africa actually has a lot of resources boyo

Jaslandia

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I was referring to Africa, but I know having one's head up their a$$ can make it hard to hear correctly.

...im doing quite well thank you very much

Friedensreich

Solla Ultima wrote:everyone please listen to bax and what he has to say the current map would require a serious amount of work to implement that system a new map would be much easier to control

let me give you a scenario if a game developer whats to change the basic structure of a game because he made a better game engine he can't because if he where to do that if would take to much effort and time for the payoff so he has to make a new game to implement this new system that is what i think bax wants to do

Except the RL map already has most of the resources on it. Making a new map would require more effort than creating a system for the current one because you're literally making a new map and a economic system and placing resources on said map.

Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland

The problem that arises with the current state of anarchy that our roleplay is in is that it starts to not make sense after awhile.

Those ships typically take a month to get where I want them to get? Sure, it's been a month. Meanwhile other countries are operating as if it's only been a few hours since the last post.

Those planes cost 700,000,000 Floofers each? Huh, I'm not familiar with that currency or how it relates to the currency of my 50 square mile country, but I can probably afford a few thousand.

You embargoed me because I killed all my nation's babies? That means literally nothing to me because there is no formal sense of trade set up so you have just wasted both of our times and not provided any incentive for me to change my behavior.

Did nobody claim that land? Think again I just sent 8 million troops there to conquer it and the residents of the area happily joined my country.

Are you attacking me with 7 destroyers? I just checked my vault, I have 8 destroyers exactly, what a coincidence.

I have seen things at least similar to all of these occur and it honestly just makes me kind of upset and not want to continue because of how abstract and nonsensical the role play becomes if there are no rules, anyone can do anything.

Jaslandia, Baxten, Axeldonia, Friedensreich, Andromitus, United Continental States

Friedensreich wrote:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7c/47/c9/7c47c930cf72a6553f6ba140e400bd4a.jpg

Africa actually has a lot of resources boyo

I don't think you comprehend context. In the real world, a detail you seem must be included, African nations are completely fvcked. You can have all the gold and shet you want, but when you're government is 100% corrupt or you have no water, it's kidna hard to use them *shrug*, but once again. Having one's cranium up their pelvis makes it hard to use common sense as well.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I don't think you comprehend context. In the real world, a detail you seem must be included, African nations are completely fvcked. You can have all the gold and shet you want, but when you're government is 100% corrupt or you have no water, it's kidna hard to use them *shrug*, but once again. Having one's cranium up their pelvis makes it hard to use common sense as well.

*shrug*

You must not realize that this isn't a copy and paste of the real world, but I can't help you understand that.

Peoples Liberation Republic wrote:...im doing quite well thank you very much

Y'all are making me want to die with your inability to read. In my post, the original one Fried is poking fun at, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE REAL WORLD.

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I was referring to Africa, but I know having one's head up their a$$ can make it hard to hear correctly.

nations in Africa are some of the most mineral rich countries in the world like the Congo their mineral deposits alone are worth 20 TRILLION Africa is an emerging continent for most of their existence they have been victims of imperialism not until recently have they been there own independent nations that work for themselves

Friedensreich

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I don't think you comprehend context. In the real world, a detail you seem must be included, African nations are completely fvcked. You can have all the gold and shet you want, but when you're government is 100% corrupt or you have no water, it's kidna hard to use them *shrug*, but once again. Having one's cranium up their pelvis makes it hard to use common sense as well.

I think I see what you're thinking.

You do know that the plots aren't 100% accurate to their RL counterparts, right? People have liberties to make their nation more than (or less than) their RL counterparts. However, it's almost that people can do that too much, and it's gotten to an unrealistic point. With a more rigid rule system and econ system, that can hopefully be fixed.

Axeldonia, Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland

Solla Ultima wrote:nations in Africa are some of the most mineral rich countries in the world like the Congo their mineral deposits alone are worth 20 TRILLION Africa is an emerging continent for most of their existence they have been victims of imperialism not until recently have they been there own independent nations that work for themselves

You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me Africa isn't the world's sh!tter.

Friedensreich wrote:But, according to Perl, nations like that are underprivileged and will always be underprivileged.

They'll be at a disadvantage, sure, but it's not at impossible situation, and a skilled RPer would be able to make the most of the situation to build a strong and prosperous nation.

Solla Ultima wrote:yes they were successful but they are extremely handy caped by not having sea access the top 10 economics in the world all have access to the sea for trade

Not every nation can be in top 10 economies, whether they're landlocked or not. Like I said, if you're a skilled RPer, you could salvage just about any situation, including being landlocked. Besides, even if a nation doesn't border an ocean, they probably do have a river in their nation, and lots of successful civilizations have reached their success by using their rivers for transport, trade, and agricultural (Egypt, Indus River Valley, Mesopotamia, Midwestern United States, etc.).

Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland

Baxten wrote:I think I see what you're thinking.

You do know that the plots aren't 100% accurate to their RL counterparts, right? People have liberties to make their nation more than (or less than) their RL counterparts. However, it's almost that people can do that too much, and it's gotten to an unrealistic point. With a more rigid rule system and econ system, that can hopefully be fixed.

I do have a question about that. What would new rules entail?

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