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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
But if I was a CEO of a multinational company that I built from scratch... I'd think I deserve a huge whopping great salary.
Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or a communist.
Aha, whatever do you mean good Sir?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3XH3EhOkHM
Nuremgard, Vista Major
Well the chancellor of a university or head of a school is not a CEO in charge of a corporation they built from scratch. So they don't need or deserve over-inflated salaries. Or if they want bigger salaries, they better be paying more tax on it then.
Also, why haven't you endorsed me yet? You're hurting my feelings.
You are a thief. As the CEO, that salary is coming from the surplus value of the labor of your workers.
Nuremgard, Unfallious
Taking a bigger slice of the pie because they think they "deserve" it.
Gualimole
WOKE
Nuremgard
As f*ck.
That I can agree with that and I do. You should not be in education for the money.
Though I think they need to be reasonable as you want to attract the best people for the roles, who often start in private sector education.
I have now! x
Didn't know you endorsed me :P
Mercunova
It's my company, through my wealth... my workers have jobs.
Mercunova
Calm down Katy Perry.
Mercunova
Why is it when you want to entice the wealthy or "the best people" you use the carrot method (let's give them massive salaries) but when it comes to the poor, it's the stick method (they're striking? Put those dirty peasants down with the police.)
We don't say that anymore. We say "AF" now.
Nuremgard
Without workers, you have no wealth.
Gualimole
Through the wealth that they create, you have a company.
Nuremgard
1. I'm all for people being paid above inflation if not on par levels of pay.
~The below is just for arguments sake~
2. Because if you're trying to attract a new CEO for a company that employs 10,000 people.
You need the best person, other peoples employment depends on it. If not... Company fails, closes and everyone loses their job.
Where as (as harsh as it sounds) if you don't get the best or pay the best to average Pete who works on that company's factory floor making clothes. It's not the end of the world.
If he leaves, company does not close and nor does everyone lose their job. He's easier to replace. The company moves on.
It's just basic free market life.
Mercunova
Me hath returned. :)
Nuremgard, Vista Major, Mercunova
I'm not opposed to the owner of a company being wealthy. As long as he/she pays his taxes and treats his employees well, I don't have an issue.
Without my company they have no job.
Through my company they have money and jobs.
Company was around before employing others.
Mercunova
Hey. How are you doing?
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Everestopia, Mercunova
So those bloody peasants better be grateful for the peanuts I pay them, tally ho what!
#EatTheRich
#GuillotinesAreFun
😏
Everestopia, Mercunova
Exactly. That's my view on it.
Taxes are important for state services... I've always paid mine.
And am very pro Employee rights.
I've even had to use them before when my last employer told me I was going to burn in hell for being gay.
Nuremgard
Yass Continental!
See, Mercunova The state can be a force for good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
Just needs a trim here and there.
Depends where you're trimming. MPs salaries, expenses and subsidised bars and restaurants in the Commons def needs trimming. As does the entire House of Lords. So does Trident and the monarchy.
And what would your company be without your workers and their labor?
Nuremgard
Some yes.
Last 3 definitely not.
Do not start on Trident. It's essential for our national defense.
When will Elon Musk be sent to a gulag?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyxEqj2vo1M
Nuremgard
Still profitable.
I'd move where people need jobs, so they take them.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
The US is already protecting you. National defense isn't that big of a priority for our NATO allies (for now, at least).
Stop avoiding the facts. Workers create wealth, and unnecessary middlemen, managers, and executives steal a portion of it.
Nuremgard
Stick it in the Thames then. Get it out my country.
Why do you want Elon Musk sent to a gulag?
Okay?
Wealth creates jobs.
Now we've gone full circle.
He treats his workers horribly, does not know how to apply technology to the context at hand, and he accused the British guy who saved those children who were in that cave of being a pedophile.
Nuremgard
Gladly, I want it in Portsmouth.
So workers create jobs. BTW, cooperatives, workplaces controlled by workers, are more productive than their more traditional counterparts and pay their workers higher wages.
https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/
Really nice guy.
Everestopia
I feel that may not be true.
Then we both get what we want.
Also, if your country's electric grid is powered mostly by fossil fuels, then electric cars are as bad, if not worse, than gas-powered cars.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/elon-musk-apologizes-calling-rescue-diver-pedophile-56657606
Very Commie concept.
Hierarchy exists for a reason. Don't fight it.
Ooh, talk Nuclear to me :p
Mercunova
Which is why we need to invest heavily in renewable energy for the future.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-workers-factory-conditions-elon-musk
It's easy to say that when you benefit from it.
Nuremgard
If I'm self employed and only employ myself, as for example a bookkeeper would do, the company would be just fine.
Okay, that bit is. Proof of the rest?
He's a genius, not perfect.
I bet there's people you admire who have done just as worse.
Hierarchy exists for a reason.
The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate.
God made them both high and low
And ordered their estate.
The 17th century called, it wants its belief system back.
#NuclearPowerForTheWin
Mercunova
He lives in the Home Counties and is most likely middle class. Of course he believes in hierarchy lol
Gualimole
And here's an article about how Tesla workers are treated.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-workers-factory-conditions-elon-musk
Nobody's perfect, but Musk's abuses are indefensible.
>When the left creates the middle class through legislation and union action but the middle class votes for the right instead
Nuremgard
What do you expect when your boss's family name is a smell.
Gualimole
How do you not?
Yass.
But I'm not done with it yet.
Nuremgard, Mercunova
We Brits have a saying. It's called I'm Alright, Jack. It's the callous, uncaring attitude many well off people have towards those less fortunate than themselves, and who are happy to pull up the metaphorical ladder now that they are in a state of financial comfort or security.
Gualimole
Whaaat? :p
Because peoples money belongs in their pocks, not in the state treasury.
Mercunova
Just like workers' wealth belong in their pocks, and not in the hand of an executive or an unnecessary middleman.
Nuremgard
We're not arguing for communism, sweetie. We're arguing for people with money to pay their fair share. You do use roads, hospitals, schools, the court system etc. don't you? Well all of that wasn't built and paid for privately.
Although if you have the resources, feel free to build your own road and court system. And if your house goes on fire, please don't waste MY tax money by calling the fire brigade.
But the worker should be grateful the middleman gets to lord over him, and should give him most of the wealth he creates from his work for the privilege.
Gualimole
But I am arguing for that.
Not theirs if they were never paid it.
I'm sorry, but a company where the Directors, Managers and average staff all get paid the same is absurd and quite frankly delusional.
Why take on the extra work and responsibility if you don't get paid for it.
Mercunova
More power to you. I'm left wing but I'm not -that- left wing.
The directors and managers shouldn't exist. The workers should control their own workplaces on a day-to-day and elect trade union representatives to trade union councils to play a hand in industry-wide decisions. I believe in economic democracy as well as political democracy.
Nuremgard
Now now, sweetie.
Myself and my entire family all pay taxes. All of what we owe.
See, this little red flag waving commie is.
All of those things, aside from a court system, would be exactly the same if they were funded privately as they are publicly now.
Everestopia
Welcome back Tse!
Chernarus State, Penguania And Antarctica
Thank you for stepping in.
Mercunova
I think it was Noam Chomsky who said he finds it bizarre how we love political democracy but are happy to work in companies which are ran like dictatorships.
Anything to irritate Nurem a little :)
Everestopia
Good.
You are seriously suggesting that people should have to pay a toll to use a road? Or pay to use a hospital or doctor? Or pay to go to school? Even if you're dirt poor.
Oh, wait. Yes you are. You're an American libertarian.
Bearlong
If our roads were privatized, you would have to pay a toll a lot more than you do now. If our schools were privatized, then good luck getting an education if you're poor.
He was an anarcho-syndicalist, after all.
Bearlong
Throws up
Au Minbo
I suppose you prefer Milton Friedman. *shudder*
You still haven't gotten past your teenage Ayn Rand phase, haven't you?
Please don't mention that witch's name.
Or Rand. Or Hayek. Or all of them. BTW, Hayek was fine with dictatorships that embraced a capitalist economy.
The witch died while on welfare.
Nuremgard
Noooo. I'll pass on this.
Mercunova
And she thought that the genocides against the Native Americans were justified.
Nuremgard
Even though it's a better form of workplace organization?
https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/
I had to read Hayek last year. Was horrendous. No wonder him and Thatcher were best buds. She loved bloodthirsty tyrants too.
She was objectively evil. See what I did there?
Alaska
Everestopia
Are you going Palin hunting?
Russkov Soviet
Don't forget it was the libertarians who crafted Pinochet's economic policies.
"10/10 I died of laughter" - IGN
Nuremgard
Sorry, a structure with management is needed. Despite what your lefty magazine says.
Mercunova
Very nice! Rather jealous!
I would.
Russkov Soviet
Because managers are renowned for their competence.
Da. With entire army.
Nuremgard
The workers manage themselves. And like that "lefty magazine" shows, it works.
Seeing as how you're right leaning, that could be interpreted in a totally different way.
Well she can see Russia from her house apparently so I'm sure she'll see you coming.
Russkov Soviet
Having managers and middlemen bicker with the workers suits the ones at the top just fine. Divide and rule.
Gualimole
Never liked that guy honestly
Mercunova
I'm good. Enjoyed my short trip vacation. Hbu? :)
Nuremgard
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