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Kalaron wrote:Sometimes I get a bit anxious that, if I designed a machine gun, it might be the worst in history...then I remember the Chauchat and realize it'd still be better :P

that actually gives me an idea.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:that actually gives me an idea.

Oh?

Also, I'm gonna look into spurging a bit about military things more often, will help keep things realistic in Modern RP

Intelligentpeople

Baxten wrote:I don't know. The regional medals now cover the names, and everything is kinda scattered on the drop down menu

And the flag is smaller and in the corner, and everything is off center. Uhg. I hate it. Why change things that work damn it?

Yukona, Intelligentpeople

Kalaron wrote:Oh?

Yeah an LMG that can fire regular, shotgun, or AP rounds

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Yeah an LMG that can fire regular, shotgun, or AP rounds

Defeats the point of a light machine gun, may as well have a cartridge fed shotgun which already exists.

Magnatronia

Yukona wrote:Defeats the point of a light machine gun, may as well have a cartridge fed shotgun which already exists.

I mean its kinda like a Jack of all trades.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:I mean its kinda like a Jack of all trades.

A machine gun is meant to provide suppressing fire for your squad to manoeuvre unhindered and to silence enemy returning fire. If you make it a shotgun you're reducing its range and making it useless in the above job at anything therefore you're just giving a soldier extra weight with no more value than a normal shotgun, it's absolutely redundant and not at all useful, considering a magazine is plenty for what a shotgun can do.

Intelligentpeople

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:I mean its kinda like a Jack of all trades.

I'm sorry dude. I might have an outrageously unrealistic military, but even I know that there's no point in having a shotgun-light machine gun. You're better off with an automatic shotgun.

The Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy is proud to announce [nation=short]Ile-Savoir[/nation] as the most recent signatory to the accord!

Jaslandia, Ile-Savoir, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:The Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy is proud to announce [nation=short]Ile-Savoir[/nation] as the most recent signatory to the accord!

Yay !!!

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Percyton

Aldaur wrote:And the flag is smaller and in the corner, and everything is off center. Uhg. I hate it. Why change things that work damn it?

I appreciate Kal's optimism, but at the risk of sounding like a stubborn child: I hate it. The drop down menu looks like a mess now.

You know what's better than a neat list? A staggerred cluster. Yeah! So innovative!

Aldaur, Intelligentpeople

Yukona wrote:A machine gun is meant to provide suppressing fire for your squad to manoeuvre unhindered and to silence enemy returning fire.

and a machine shotgun can do just that at a close range, and with the amount of pellets and fire rate anyone in front of it is almost guaranteed to hit.

Yukona wrote: you're just giving a soldier extra weight with no more value than a normal shotgun, it's absolutely redundant and not at all useful, considering a magazine is plenty for what a shotgun can do.

though a separate shotgun and LMG would be even heavier.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:and a machine shotgun can do just that at a close range, and with the amount of pellets and fire rate anyone in front of it is almost guaranteed to hit.

Nope, you're severely limited if you want to provide suppressing fire at long ranges, it's still pointless. At close range an LMG could put just as many rounds down range as a shotgun with just as much damage really, it's just overkill to make someone carry one for specifically close range and no, it wouldn't be heavier because a squad support team would not carry a shotgun they'd carry a LMG and if you needed a shotgun a breacher would carry that because a shotgun is small and able to carry out urban combat successfully because of its size and the sht it puts down range, which a sub machine gun or err idk a carbine maybe?

Magnatronia

Yukona wrote:Nope, you're severely limited if you want to provide suppressing fire at long ranges, it's still pointless.

Ok, what i meant is, that an LMG capable of firing regular, amour piercing, or shotgun shells.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Ok, what i meant is, that an LMG capable of firing regular, amour piercing, or shotgun shells.

not an LMG used exclusively as a shotgun.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Yeah an LMG that can fire regular, shotgun, or AP rounds

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:and a machine shotgun can do just that at a close range, and with the amount of pellets and fire rate anyone in front of it is almost guaranteed to hit.

Respectfully, while the capacity exists, you would gain absolutely nothing from converting your LMG to it.

To note, the ability of any gun to fire multiple shots is dependent on the cartridge's pressure, and the pressure of a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun shell is terrifically different from the pressure of a 5.56 round.

Hell, even the size is different (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ff/9e/61/ff9e61c37b2f75526e416b8dea895a52.jpg) meaning you'll have to carry around another reciever and barrel (more likely, you'll need three for sustained fire) as well as all the tools and time to take the LMG apart and reassemble it in the middle of enemy fire.

Furthermore, the recoil from the 12 gauge shells might just crack the stock, and that would nearly invalidate the LMG in both roles.

Besides, the time to bring such a weapon to bear would make it exceedingly diffacult to use, would you rather swing an eight pound weapon around, or a sixteen pound -without ammo, of course-

Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Respectfully, while the capacity exists, you would gain absolutely nothing from converting your LMG to it.

To note, the ability of any gun to fire multiple shots is dependent on the cartridge's pressure, and the pressure of a 12 or 20 gauge shotgun shell is terrifically different from the pressure of a 5.56 round.

Hell, even the size is different (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ff/9e/61/ff9e61c37b2f75526e416b8dea895a52.jpg) meaning you'll have to carry around another reciever and barrel (more likely, you'll need three for sustained fire) as well as all the tools and time to take the LMG apart and reassemble it in the middle of enemy fire.

Furthermore, the recoil from the 12 gauge shells might just crack the stock, and that would nearly invalidate the LMG in both roles.

Besides, the time to bring such a weapon to bear would make it exceedingly diffacult to use, would you rather swing an eight pound weapon around, or a sixteen pound -without ammo, of course-

welp, you got me there. I have another idea, though this is totally insane and most likely impossible, but what about a beltfed rocket launcher?

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:welp, you got me there. I have another idea, though this is totally insane and most likely impossible, but what about a beltfed rocket launcher?

Wouldn't be useful, and people would die from the sideblast of an open bolt.

Kalaron wrote:Wouldn't be useful, and people would die from the sideblast of an open bolt.

told ya

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:told ya

though i may have found the ultimate mobile artillery piece.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:though i may have found the ultimate mobile artillery piece.

Oh?

Kalaron wrote:Oh?

The Nazi artillery prototype: The Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1500_Monster

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:The Nazi artillery prototype: The Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1500_Monster

Nah, that's the embodiment of Hitler's madness.

No weapon is truly perfect, but the very existence of a bomber kills that particular idea, and god forbid you use it on anything less than thrice reinforced concrete.

Kalaron wrote:Nah, that's the embodiment of Hitler's madness.

No weapon is truly perfect, but the very existence of a bomber kills that particular idea, and god forbid you use it on anything less than thrice reinforced concrete.

you are right, it has plenty of flaws in terms of movement, but it could be one hell of a siege weapon.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:you are right, it has plenty of flaws in terms of movement, but it could be one hell of a siege weapon.

Untill it got hit by a bomber, or got planted in mud, yeah.

Give me air superiority and some 155mm howitzers anyday.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:not an LMG used exclusively as a shotgun.

Still would be heavy and squad support units wouldn't need it and be already as hindered as they are.

Kalaron wrote:Untill it got hit by a bomber, or got planted in mud, yeah.

Give me air superiority and some 155mm howitzers anyday.

as soon as the thing fired you would have a guided missile, predator drone or counter battery on its way to destroy it. Waste of money.

Yukona wrote:Still would be heavy and squad support units wouldn't need it and be already as hindered as they are.

we already ended that.

This is a painful conversation to keep up with.

Continental Commonwealths

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:we already ended that.

No need to get snappy man, I'm just reiterating what I said chill it home skillet

Magnatronia wrote:This is a painful conversation to keep up with.

Oh?

Yukona wrote:as soon as the thing fired you would have a guided missile, predator drone or counter battery on its way to destroy it. Waste of money.

Like I said mate, give me some Air Superiority and a few 155mm to light the way :P

Honestly, I'm just glad CADS is imaginative, it helps me keep busy, having to answer his ideas.

The Cross And Davids Star, Yukona

Kalaron wrote:

Honestly, I'm just glad CADS is imaginative, it helps me keep busy, having to answer his ideas.

You're welcome!

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:You're welcome!

also, what about a remote controlled explosive, and i don't mean guided missiles.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:also, what about a remote controlled explosive, and i don't mean guided missiles.

What do you mean, then?

Kalaron wrote:Oh?

Like I said mate, give me some Air Superiority and a few 155mm to light the way :P

Honestly, I'm just glad CADS is imaginative, it helps me keep busy, having to answer his ideas.

Oh for sure, allows us to rack our brains but sass, nah man

Magnatronia

Kalaron wrote:What do you mean, then?

Like an IED or C4 hooked up to an RC car.

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Like an IED or C4 hooked up to an RC car.

Definitely would work, probably actually used in places or prototype

Yukona wrote:Definitely would work, probably actually used in places or prototype

Finally! an idea of mine that actually could work!

Yukona

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Like an IED or C4 hooked up to an RC car.

Eh, not the best idea.

You have the risk of premature detonation, the capacity to detect the signals and that probably violates one law or another.

Kalaron wrote:Eh, not the best idea.

You have the risk of premature detonation, the capacity to detect the signals and that probably violates one law or another.

who needs laws when you got explosives?

Yukona

Kalaron wrote:Eh, not the best idea.

You have the risk of premature detonation, the capacity to detect the signals and that probably violates one law or another.

True, but if you have remote bomb disposal bots you could have the opposite if one is as reliable as the other. Plus I doubt a small fireteam would have the equipment to detect it, maybe it depends on the context?

Aldaur wrote:#OperationAssassinateThatBastardMaxBarry

You called assassin?

Aldaur, Magnatronia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Finally! an idea of mine that actually could work!

Still ain't gonna stop a helicopter ;D

Kalaron wrote:Oh?

Just seeing these ideas being constantly rejected cause of how outlandish they are. Everyone knows that the only realistic idea in this region is my megaman inspired robot army

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Like an IED or C4 hooked up to an RC car.

Like in Toy Story?

Nice job stealing from a children's movie.

Jaslandia

Killdash wrote:Like in Toy Story?

Nice job stealing from a children's movie.

Nah he got it from Call of Duty

Magnatronia wrote:Still ain't gonna stop a helicopter ;D

Thats what an RPG is for >:P

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Thats what an RPG is for >:P

Oh

Magnatronia wrote:Nah he got it from Call of Duty

What's Call of Duty?

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:What's Call of Duty?

http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/RC-XD

Magnatronia wrote:Nah he got it from Call of Duty

Those things are the sh1t. When someone finds you piloting it, and you just steer it in anyway, because you don't care about your life, that's the sweet stuff.

Magnatronia

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:who needs laws when you got explosives?

Anyone who isn't a dirt state like ISIS.

Yukona wrote:True, but if you have remote bomb disposal bots you could have the opposite if one is as reliable as the other. Plus I doubt a small fireteam would have the equipment to detect it, maybe it depends on the context?

Any large concentrations of troops would have at least one, and after a short time of those type systems being used, it is highly likely that even smaller scale groups would have a short range unit.

Magnatronia wrote:Still ain't gonna stop a helicopter ;D

Just seeing these ideas being constantly rejected cause of how outlandish they are. Everyone knows that the only realistic idea in this region is my megaman inspired robot army

Naturally.

Andromitus, Yukona, Magnatronia, Solla Ultima, Intelligentpeople

Kalaron wrote:Untill it got hit by a bomber, or got planted in mud, yeah.

Give me air superiority and some 155mm howitzers anyday.

Ain't that the truth

Yukona, Intelligentpeople

How are you all ?

Jaslandia, Yukona, Percyton

https://youtu.be/5lWkZ-JaEOc

Just found an awesome video of Yukona's natural beauty, I really do hope I can live there one day.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all ?

I'm good Peng, how are you? Feeling better, I hope?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Intelligentpeople

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all ?

Good thanks Peng

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:I'm good Peng, how are you? Feeling better, I hope?

Yeah, a bit better than yesterday.

Jaslandia

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Yeah, a bit better than yesterday.

Good to hear. I myself am alright, all things considered.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:Good to hear. I myself am alright, all things considered.

Good to hear that. :)

Jaslandia

Congrats on being featured, y'all!

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Intelligentpeople

Hello my freaky darlings! Long time no speak!

How are we all faring? :)

Jaslandia, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica

Everestopia wrote:Hello my freaky darlings! Long time no speak!

How are we all faring? :)

Hey look. Its you. Hi. I wondered if you would ever follow us here.

Penguania And Antarctica

Tserra wrote:Hey look. Its you. Hi. I wondered if you would ever follow us here.

I won't stay in this region permanently, only came to catch up with you all.

Everestopia wrote:Hello my freaky darlings! Long time no speak!

How are we all faring? :)

I'm doing good.

Baxten wrote:Ain't that the truth

Honestly, I'll be working on new Mobile Artillery soon enough.

Andromitus

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all ?

Good. How are you?

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:I'm doing good.

Glad to here it!

Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:

Glad to here it!

Am I dreaming, or is it you?

Jaslandia

So, what's all this I hear about Silver turning into a tyrant?

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:So, what's all this I hear about Silver turning into a tyrant?

Oy vey, you have much to catch up on

Jaslandia

Vista Major wrote:Am I dreaming, or is it you?

Tis Me, dearest Vista!

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:So, what's all this I hear about Silver turning into a tyrant?

He disbanded the Government because Unf was selected as a replacement founder since Silver had gone inactive.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Yukona

Vista Major wrote:Oy vey, you have much to catch up on

TG me, when you get a chance.. catch me up

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:He disbanded the Government because Unf was selected as a replacement founder since Silver had gone inactive.

Well, evidently not much to it

Everestopia wrote:Tis Me, dearest Vista!

"Dearest"

Your humor delights me still

Jaslandia

Kalaron wrote:He disbanded the Government because Unf was selected as a replacement founder since Silver had gone inactive.

Ah, I did wonder if that was the reason. I had heard whispers.

Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:TG me, when you get a chance.. catch me up

Hell, I'll describe it right now.

Silver went ape due to the replacement, the NGA fell apart due to extremely toxic arguments, and Montaris fell apart because Ru thought he was god.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Vista Major wrote:

"Dearest"

Your humor delights me still

Haha, I aim to please.

Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:Hello my freaky darlings! Long time no speak!

How are we all faring? :)

Everest! Holy sh!t! Welcome back!

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:Hell, I'll describe it right now.

Silver went ape due to the replacement, the NGA fell apart due to extremely toxic arguments, and Montaris fell apart because Ru thought he was god.

And yet a large majority of the CFN's members are in this incarnation of a similar region?

How's this one doing?

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Everest! Holy sh!t! Welcome back!

Hey Bud! How're you? :D

Why thank you, kind Sir!

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths

Everestopia wrote:And yet a large majority of the CFN's members are in this incarnation of a similar region?

How's this one doing?

It's doing good.

It's young, but I can see it continuing for as long as the CFN.

A large majority is here due to the efforts of the people involved with each evacuation.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Holy sh!t!

My internal reaction

Everestopia wrote:And yet a large majority of the CFN's members are in this incarnation of a similar region?

How's this one doing?

We're preservering

Kalaron wrote:Hell, I'll describe it right now.

Silver went ape due to the replacement, the NGA fell apart due to extremely toxic arguments, and Montaris fell apart because Ru thought he was god.

Quite

Everestopia wrote:Haha, I aim to please.

You would please me more by running for President next month

Everestopia wrote:Hey Bud! How're you? :D

Why thank you, kind Sir!

Doing my damndest to survive The Day After Tomorrow-style winter we're having in the Prairies. You?

Vista Major

Intelligentpeople wrote:Good. How are you?

I'm doing good. Thanks :)

Vista Major, Intelligentpeople

Vista Major wrote:preservering

would please me more by running for President next month

Glad to hear it, am rather happy to see you're all still active!

Aha, too kind Vista. But all in good time! ;)

Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:Glad to hear it, am rather happy to see you're all still active!

Aha, too kind Vista. But all in good time! ;)

We're clingy to this site, you see :P

The good time's now, you know ;)

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Doing my damndest to survive The Day After Tomorrow-style winter we're having in the Prairies. You?

Oh wow, really?

Here in the United Kingdom... we're lucky if we get 3 inches of snow! :P

Vista Major

Also, I don't like the new mobile set up. Make it stop.

Everestopia

Everestopia wrote:Oh wow, really?

Here in the United Kingdom... we're lucky if we get 3 inches of snow! :P

Hey, Evers!! Long time no see, old pal.

Everestopia, Vista Major

Killdash wrote:Hey, Evers!! Long time no see, old pal.

Heyyy, Killdash! How're you holding up? :D

Vista Major

If somebody here is interested in the DIP he or she should note that it will be posted a he'll lot later than usual.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:If somebody here is interested in the DIP he or she should note that it will be posted a he'll lot later than usual.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

*hell not he'll

Everestopia, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Killdash wrote:Hey, Evers!! Long time no see, old pal.

#EverKill

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:If somebody here is interested in the DIP he or she should note that it will be posted a he'll lot later than usual.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

You're fine!

Everestopia wrote:Heyyy, Killdash! How're you holding up? :D

Fairly well, all things considered.

Vista Major wrote:#EverKill

You're fine!

Shhh, if you say it, it loses the magic.

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Looking at the news, and your newly elected President is going ahead with the USA/Mexico border wall. This will be very costly...

But hey, that's why he's appointed Betsy DeVos to destroy the education system. Just think, with no education system.. you'll save billions of dollars!

Whom needs education, when you have a wall -_-

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Killdash, Continental Commonwealths, Pirate Kingdoms

Vista Major wrote:#EverKill

And thus, the shipping begins!

Vista Major

Everestopia wrote:Looking at the news, and your newly elected President is going ahead with the USA/Mexico border wall. This will be very costly...

But hey, that's why he's appointed Betsy DeVos to destroy the education system. Just think, with no education system.. you'll save billions of dollars!

Whom needs education, when you have a wall -_-

Wall-building will be pretty well taught though.

Jaslandia

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