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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
I didn't know I had to have facts to explain why your statement is as dumb as all Hell.
The point about weak argumentation was related to Nuevo disregarding Snopes because of its supposed liberal bias.
Jaslandia
Actually, you do need facts, but surprisingly enough you don't have them. You can continue to lie to yourself, but nobody else is buying it.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
A class which doesn't push for me to feel ashamed of being myself because I am white and a male, supposedly being responsible for things which neither I, nor any of my ancestors had anything to do with, and which doesn't try to get me to do mental gymnastics to try to bend the truth in thinking such. A class which doesn't try to dismiss pride in my European culture, background, or history. A class which would treat the opinion of *all* cultures and *all* histories in a neutral or positive light, not the fairly recent liberal phenomenon of shaming only Europeans.
I am not a conservative in the traditional sense, I consider myself a conservative in the context of modern times, if compared to a couple of decades ago, I would be considered a liberal.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Okay. Great. And do you have any proof that classes nowadays are doing the opposite of what you're saying? Pointing out often-ignored atrocities committed by European colonialism, and giving more attention to non-European cultures, is not in any way intended to lower present-day White people; it's just trying to more accurately represent history.
Except it's not a conspiracy theory, that's the truth and you can look it up. CNN President Virginia Moselev is married to Hillary Clinton's deputy secretary Tom Nides; CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, an Obama Administration official; ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Elizabeth Sherwood, an Obama special adviser; ABC Senior correspondent Claire Shipman is married to Jay Carney, Obama press secretary.
Any questions?
Except their agendas are influencing teaching and coverage as much as Fox News' right-wing bosses influence their coverage. I can be honest about them - why can't you be honest that the media takes advantage of its power to provide a liberal spin?
Drugs produced and sold by a single pharmaceutical company, 99% of the time, are a result of monopoly privileges granted by patents and the FDA. No bonus points for guessing which institution runs the FDA. Here's a hint: it's not the free market.
It's a free rider problem that the Obama administration acknowledged was a problem. Without mandates like these, costs would come down and the poor people who find themselves in these situations would be more likely to be able to afford care in the first place.
Obviously, Communists aren't in charge of the media - at least, I hope they're not - but it's pretty hard to deny that CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and the rest of them have a habit of shilling for the Democratic Party.
Clemodecralia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Mmk.
So, leftists dislike corporations. Fact.
Leftists don't like corporations interfering in the government. Fact.
Leftists don't like governments that are corrupt and have corporations influencing them. Fact.
Enough facts for you? Or are you just going to dismiss it again?
Oelesa
I have 3 friends which have taken survey history courses in a sizable university here, they have all commented to me about the noticeable focus on how evil whites are in their global roles, teaching about history of European intervention in relatively minor civilizations, while ignoring anything negative about those civilizations altogether. They have also noticed, including myself, the heavy bias of the role of socialists in Europe, and only focusing on their positive impacts, while skimming over the negatives.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Those aren't actually facts, those are assertions. And as Jaslandia just said, I'm clearly referring to the Democratic Party-style leftists that run the media.
But please explain, if governments are corrupt and influenced by corporations, how will more government solve that problem?
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
1) Then I would prefer if you use the correct term and say center-leftists, because even leftists dislike them.
2) I'm gonna quote you on this one:
"You do need facts, but surprisingly enough you don't have them. You can continue to lie to yourself, but nobody else is buying it."
1. Those are sorta indirect relationships. A lot of people worked in the Obama White House (in addition to their many other jobs that nobody acknowledges), and overlap between political and media figures isn't exactly uncommon. When you said 'familial or marriage relationships', I thought it would more direct, like "the ABC President is Obama's half-cousin", or "the CBS Vice President married to Chelsea Clinton."
2. Fox News' bias goes without saying, but I'm going to need actual proof bias in other mainstream sources.
3. While I much prefer having the FDA around, medicine patent reform would help alleviate this issue. But at the end of the day, companies will still have exclusive rights to a certain amount of drug for some amount of time, and the underlying problem isn't solved.
4. How? And besides, there will always be people with no money and no way to pay, so they're still screwed.
5. Obviously not that hard, since I'm denying it now.
European nations dominated the world for the last few centuries, and classes in previous generations would go to far in glorifying European nations, so it only makes sense that there's now more coverage of European atrocities. Again, it has nothing to do with present-day European people. If Asia had colonized most of the world, then history classes would be about various atrocities committed by Asian countries. Classes are focusing on what matters on a global scale, not satisfy White people's feelings.
As for the part about glorifying socialists, I haven't seen any of that, so I'm skeptical without any further proof.
Friedensreich
Mother of god he dismissed it :P
Nuevo Pevvania
Wow, that's a very convincing argument, so convincing that I think you've just converted me to statism. Thank you, friend, I never saw the light before.
The hallmark of losing an argument - outright denial.
Too much to read.
You heard from my Deputy ealier today. I have a regional tg for later today to go along with the new bills and information.
Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Yukona
Guys I have a great 5 minute video for you since you were talking about the media. And don't say "oh no, this is PragerU which means that everything they say is a lie". Just listen to the video or watch it, the graphics are great
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZ0irgLwxU
I don't want you to go to statism, and I'd prefer it if you understood what I believe before trying to be a sarcastic prick about it. Capiche?
That's all this guy does. He disregards people and denies them. He even pulled the "biased librul media" copout.
Well I obviously cannot provide proof for that except for my own word.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Thank god, we finally have some effective moderation < 3
Jaslandia
Easy up big fella, we're all friends here. You could start by answering my question about corporations in government and regulatory capture. And I haven't once assumed your beliefs, nor have you tried to explain them.
You need to be blind not to see it though
yeah well uhhh its rightwing so i'm not watching it
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Lol you still haven't been able to refute the claim that the media is dominated by liberals. I have quoted names and statistics - all of your arguments essentially amount to "nuh uh".
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Hey, keep the insults to a minimum.
Jaslandia
Bloody f*cking hell, I'm off Nationstates (sorta-ish) for a week and the RMB has turned into a volatile hellhole :p
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
You were the glue keeping us together
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms, Yukona
I'd rather not, because you've been nothing but condescending ever since you got here.
(In response to me explaining to you why Leftists dislike corporations and their interference in government)
And I'd rather not answer that question, because both I am a libertarian that dislikes government, and, well... I'm a libertarian that dislikes government. You're asking me to answer a question whose intended answerer is not me, and you're acting like you didn't just assume that because I'm a leftist, I'm a statist.
All things considered, it could be worse. We've had a lot worse, and this is comparatively civil.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms
So I am having a horrible couple of weeks. I seem to get over one sickness, and immediately fall into something else.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Pirate Kingdoms, Yukona
Actually, my argument had nothing to do with your claim about the media. Lol, I explained to you why leftists don't like the establishment. Not a single thing to do with the media.
As always
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Yeah Pev. You've been super condescending! No way I am answering. Bigot.
Nuevo Pevvania
Hope you feel better soon!
Penguania And Antarctica
Oh no. Daddy Tse, hoping you get better!
Penguania And Antarctica
Nah, I'm just the guy who keeps making dystopian national hellholes
True, Lat and the whole leak incident proved to be much worst
Anyways, Andy and I are planning on figuring out the regional lore within the next day or two. Once we get the first discussion covered, we'll need you guys to help us out in forming the timeline and whether YSL (applies to all of us, guys, because let's face it some of our lore can be really confusing to look at), the more fantastical elements of the region (Peng, Percy, Russkov, and Ono, mostly for the anthro aspects over things like Mag's futuristic nature), and real-life nations/analogues exist in this region's lore.
Tserra, Magnatronia
1. Those are clear, and disturbing, connections.
2. I've given you proof, and in my mind the biases of CNN and NBC are just as obvious. You're not viewing this objectively. On top of everything plus common sense, view the recent tapes by Project Veritas and it becomes painfully obvious. Please give me some evidence supporting the idea that the media is unbiased.
3. The FDA's rules and regulations have caused the deaths of thousands of people by preventing drugs from getting to market. It should be abolished or at least scaled down significantly, and as you said, patent laws relaxed.
4. If supply exceeds demand, prices come down. Politicians have attempted to solve the healthcare issue by suppressing demand, but you can never suppress demand for essential services like healthcare, so we need to boost supply. And there are currently a lot of laws and programs that are keeping supply down.
5. You literally haven't been able to come up with a single slice of evidence, while I've given statistics and names. You seem to have some preconceived notions that conflict with reality.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Errr, ok then.
Ah, "left libertarian", I see. So you claim to oppose statism, but you just attempted (badly) to defend Obamacare, a government program?
Auxorii, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
BTW will reply soonish. I am nursing a heck of an ear ache right now, and do not feel inclined to write at the moment.
Pirate Kingdoms
No credible refutations of the widely claimed notion that the media is dominated by liberals yet, folks.
Also, for the single payer fans here, two liberal states attempted it (Vermont and California) but when they realised that it would more than double their state budgets, they abandoned it. Too expensive even for liberals. Colorado similarly rejected a single payer plan.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Take your time and recover: best to be in top shape at a later moment than rush and feel even more like sh*t
Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
Gracias Señor. Will do.
Penguania And Antarctica, Pirate Kingdoms
2. I don't consider O'Keefe and Veritas to be reliable, considering their history, and since proving the media is unbiased would be effectively proving a negative (in addition to passing the burden of proof onto me when you're the one who initially claimed the media was biased), we're stuck. Plus, I doubt you'd accept my proof as reliable, and we can't really debate if we can't agree on reliable and non-biased sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#NPR_video_.282011.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#ACORN_videos_.282009.29
3. It's also saved lives by preventing unsafe drugs from reaching the market. And I don't trust the free market to regulate itself, due to both the time it would take for people to realize a drug is unsafe, and the incentives the drug companies would have to cover up stuff like this through marketing, deception, hiding evidence, etc.
4. And what exactly do you mean by 'supply and demand' in the context of healthcare? Without further details, your point sounds more like economic buzzwords to me. How do you 'suppress demand' in the healthcare field, and how do you 'increase supply'? What do those things look like in the real world?
5. You're given names, but not statistics. You've attempted to show that there are connections between political and media elites, and that there are more liberals in journalism, but I haven't yet seen proof that either of those things are affecting coverage to the degree you're saying.
PLR is selling missiles for cheap
Russkov Soviet
That's why the entire nations needs to do it, because an entire nation can more easily carry the costs. If France or Sweden only had one or two of their provinces try a single-payer system, that would probably fail too.
Also, it's worth pointing out that Tommy Douglas tried out a universal healthcare system just in his province (Saskatchewan), and not only did it work well enough for the model to be adopted in the rest of Canada, but it resulted in Douglas being voted 'The Greatest Canadian'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas
There are no laws yet lol
Constitutions count as laws, it's literally the greatest law of the land.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
No sh*t, but we have no harassment laws yet, so from a legal sense so far, as long as it complies with NS rules.
And if we're going by the moderation on the NS forums, the mods similarly have a dim view of insults and insulting language.
Jaslandia, Yukona
Nope. But these are small enough normal banter to be borderline.
MY FLAG IS TAKING UP THE SPACE WHERE THE GREEN BANNER'S SUPPOSED TO BE THIS IS SCARING ME
Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, United Continental States
Which green banner?
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/18/amendment-clarify-changes-voting-002
So in my case...FREE. (I kid...sorta... We'll pay whatever xD)
The United Providences Of Perland
This new set up on mobile is absolutely hideous.
Auxorii, Vista Major
It looks so snazzy.
I love it. Christian Hartford would, too.
NEW UI IN THE HOUSE MOFOS!!!!
Vista Major
just a small price for you
Russkov Soviet
Don't miss out on all the fun! Join the FIGURINES roleplay today!
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/7/figurines-sovereign-roleplay-ooc
Oshitsnacks, I forgot all about that. Sorry, I honestly got to take a break for the rest of the day.
Vista Major
In Nuremgard, I decided obese people should pay for two seats if they cant fit into one. Think I made the right decision? I didn't want to give obese people a free pass on the airlines, nor did I want to have people be weighed before going on a flight. I feel it was the fairest choice.
Jaslandia, Clemodecralia
That's what I picked too
Nuremgard
LOts of fun info just sent out by me. Please read up if you are one that likes dates amd such. Please tho, read the discord dates, I'll be sending out reminds through out the week.
Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland
Why is weighing them before getting on board a bad choice?
Tough choice, but in the end, I think you made the right call.
Nuremgard
I feel it was fair on both other customers and the airline company. Making the seats bigger would have meant not as many people could get on the planes. Not only would that eat into the company's profits but it also would mean less people could go abroad. I'm sure bigger seats would mean fares would increase.
It's humiliating. If you weighed more, you'd end up paying more than other consumers. That isn't right.
But if airline prices increase depending on how much fuel is needed, and increased weight requires more fuel, wouldn't it be more fair that those that weigh more be required to pay more to compensate for the increased fuel?
It may be humiliating for some people, but a good number wouldn't think anything of it.
YOU GOT THAT ONE TOO TODAY???
Nuremgard
Dearest Ally,
Libertatem has had a new act pushed into our region, introducing a new watch list. As our ally, it is imperative you read this post.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=859942
Allow me to explain. These organizations and/or people are enemies to Libertatem and pose a threat to my beloved region. The government of Libertatem holds these individuals/organizations in disgust and we would hate to see the impact of their actions carry on to your region.
If you have information on these people's actions that may endanger Libertatem, please telegram me or anyone on our cabinet. Including the President.
These people stand to bring down Libertatem and all we hold dearly. Please, help us in fighting back against them.
-Boes Othan, Chancellor of State
(P.S. This is sent by my puppet, Flue Natil. They may hop out of your region after delivering this message. Our closest allies have been sent this.)
Tex here with another new nation, only with the twist of being part of UCT's own personal world
Jaslandia, Kalaron
Get that rubbish out of here.
I'm sorry, but a whole party has been labelled as enemies of a region?
What did they do, attempt a coup?
Jaslandia
Well I didn't want to humiliate people.
Well, one of these "individuals" is residing in our region at the moment. But I think you'd wanna talk to our Chancellor instead of posting this here.
Jaslandia
Hyder is not a bad guy.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Yukona
And neither is Auxorii. I mean, not for the most part.
Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Plageius the wise?
Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland
What is a Star War
One is not made an enemy of state for little reason.
Nope.
Hm. I figured. It's not something the Jedi would tell you.
It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Jaslandia
Oh, it's a Star Wars thing. I'm not a fan.
Or maybe they is
Jaslandia, Friedensreich
https://am23.akamaized.net/tms/cnt/uploads/2014/06/Screenshot-2014-06-04-12.34.42-640x376.jpg
Andromitus
At least now we know there are 119 Nazis on tweeter.
The United Providences Of Perland
That kind of group should be illegal.
The United Providences Of Perland
Sadly, free speech entitles everyone to speak, no matter how horrid.
Not here. We have hate speech laws. Nazism and advocating genocide is not free speech. It's f*cking vile.
The United Providences Of Perland
Actually, I believe both of them are in this region.
And while it's not really up to me, if Libertatem is asking us to kick out Aux and Hyder, then I see no reason why we should comply with that request. Aux and Hyder's accounts of this incident leads me to believe that at the very least, there's quite a bit of gray in this scenario, and it's not just a matter of "These guys are evil and you shouldn't trust them." Furthermore, Aux and Hyder haven't violated any CFN laws, so what legal basis would we have for kicking them out or branding them an Enemy of the State? I don't think Aux and Hyder should be made to suffer unjustly in order to appease a diplomatic ally, even if it's a close ally.
https://youtu.be/246YpNGCi3g
Andromitus, Yukona, Magnatronia
Exactly. Who are they to impose their laws on our jurisdiction? I know our jurisdiction is just a webpage on a roleplaying website, but it's still ours. Aux and Hyder are OUR residents, not theirs.
Jaslandia, Clemodecralia
And way more monarchists. The neoreactionary scene on Twitter is insane.
Repost from Discord
I thought I could oppress the thing, but it has come back. It has assaulted my mind, and that thing is object shows. Object shows are web shows where animated objects compete in a Total Drama Island-esque way. They are all the same. This genre has very rigid character types. The host is some piece of technology, and the contestants all have differentiating one-dimensional personalities. There is a mean one, a meaner one, an idiot, an evil genius, and so on and so forth. Every episode, one character has to be eliminated. The object that is eliminated is chosen by the show's viewers, who consist of 8-year-old boys who will always vote to eliminate someone for doing a slightly mean thing in the previous episode. And we didn't even talk about the animation yet. To make the objects more human, they have completely black, soulless eyes with a mediocre mouth. All of the objects are like this. And there are also times where there isn't any actual animation, with the characters just standing there for an entire scene while dialogue boxes fade in and out. This whole abomination is what happens when 12-year-olds make entertainment for 8-year-olds. And I'm not joking about the 12-year-old part. For example, the creators of Inanimate Insanity were 12 when they made their first episode.
What??
To know what I am talking about, some of the links below will be useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQa2-DY7Y_Q&list=PL24C8378F296DB656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGtU2eYeyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkHxNNpU_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B40lfmuzCxM
Wait what? Auxi and Hyder are on a regions Most Wanted list? They'll be safer here.
The United Providences Of Perland
Well that's one way to be butt hurt over nothing. Since people were talking about a ban in the American military, it was obviously more directed towards that direction.
Oh God the guard. Let me give you some advice: Do a year active. Just one. It'll not only help you out, but you'll be much better off when you deploy and are with active duty.
😂
I was being facetious there, Ace
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