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Kalaron wrote:OK: Assuming this https://www.nationstates.net/nation=russian_fedration/detail=factbook/id=279285 is noncanon for the sake of not having to trawl through the many reasons why this is beyond MT or even PMT.

There are some pretty big problems with fielding the [KZ-99 Heavy Machine gun, 30mm] with dismounted troops at all. For one thing, those troops can hardly move with something like that and the ammo for it.

It doesn't weigh just thirty pounds, for example, considering that the M2 Browning is over eighty pounds despite using a much smaller round and a much lighter construction than a rotary cannon. In fact, let's address the ammunition problem for a second: You have it using 30mm rounds, yes?

I don't believe you do, considering that this (https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a6e6ab0fdf2cb45276eb93dce36be0db-c) is a 30mm round. You would need 300 to four hundred rounds to have an effective gun, and I don't feel like four people carrying [B]only[/B] the ammunition for the cannon could even carry four hundred rounds between them.

The [KZ-150 9mm Concealable Pistol] is a disaster in every way possible.

That super heated rod is going to set off your whole mag, considering the heat generated by it and the propellant will still be in the barrel when the next shot loads in, causing it to cook off without the trigger being pulled and possibly [B]setting off the whole magazine[/B]

I'm confused on the size of the [PS-105] but I imagine that it will either wear down the troops manning it or give Artillery something to shoot counter batteries at.

[Barium Core Detonator]...

Why would you even make this?

Grenades and C4 is purpose built to be simple for a reason...namely that it sucks to have to call up HQ for the 4-1-1 on what the hell you do to use the equipment they sent you.

Can you imagine what would happen if your Sapper forgot the code they have to put into the bomb to actually blow the bridge? It would be the least pretty thing since the British said that 30mm cannons were enough to destroy Tanks.

[Ion/EMP Gernade]

It most certainly does not have the power to short out a Main Battle Tank.

Ignoring how it glosses over how this effect would happen, MBT's are unsurprisingly robust...in fact, that's one of the key reasons it takes the Military so long to intergrate new technology during times of peace, they need to ensure that it's a robust enough system to use in the field.

I'll give you this, Modern Tanks aren't Lead-Lined, but they would certainly survive a single small grenade.

Again, ignoring the obvious sci-fi stuff like the Power Armour and the AT-AT and the floating Tank(No...just...no)

[MA-85 Heavy Transport Helicopter]

W...why?

Why in the unholy name of god would you have a helicopter that big and why would you ever try to ferry 540 troops? And no, it does not travel at 335KPH considering how massive it is. You're already burning mountains of fuel without benefit, you may as well save the bearings.

[CSM-12A 305mm Close Support Mortar]

I am dying.

I am dying and you did this.

Why would this have loaders, it's 305mm and we have mechanical systems that do it better and more quickly.

[SP-580 580mm Seige gun]

*SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEE*

Now that I've removed the screeching from my body let me describe why god himself came down from on high to regret this unfortunate love-child of the Germans.

In any actual war, these will be bombed to hell faster than I think anything ever has been in RL.

I'm talking, these things will openly stop existing if the grace of god isn't with them since they suffer from "Heavy Is Better" Syndrome.

You have a massive target for CAS aircraft...or really anything up to and including a [B]cruise missile[/B] to destroy, it physically will need a massive amount of help to cross immense swaths of land, it will drain metal that should go to producing armaments for your troops, it will be a literal cancer for the war-effort due to the amount of protection it needs alongside funds and it will demoralize the troops when they don't see it firing because it's god-awfully expensive.

[MA-76 Attack Helicopter ]

It will not travel at 400KPH, not with that load and not with that structure..though it could take the same spot as the Apache at 284KPH on a good day.

[MA-99A Chinook Transport.]

Same problem as before but worse, also battledroids which kills the Kal.

[T-197 MBT]

no

n o

o

The Loader is dead, my dude, you have him lifting 152mm shells into a breech, each weighing a round-abouts of 90 pounds in a Tank that would see quick combat.

You have burnt out your loader and physically are killing the troops in general.

Besides that...51 shells of 152mm rounds? Really?

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Ninja_STO/media/Artillery/Ammunition/ammotypes.jpg.html

If you have that just laying around in your tank than I hope god really is on your side, because your gunner is dead and so are you if a round penetrates the armour pretty much anywhere.

Also your Tank is massively too big, it's gonna be destroyed by anything from Artillery to CAS everyday as it tries to cross roads and destroys them.

[T-56 IBT (Infantry Battle Tank)]

Why do you have an MBT is you also have an Infantry support tank?

MBT is literally Main Battle Tank.

[AT-CP (All Terrain Combat Platform)]

Gonna ignore this.

[ZSU-40-1 SPAAAG]

>160KPH

No, god no.

[Landstalker AFV]

Same as with the AT-CP

[ SU-100 Heavy Strike Fighter]

Ignoring the shield generator, that 105mm howitzer will kill you.

Clappers got by because they were slow, this is a Jet.

[SU-12, Super Heavy Strategic Stealth Bomber]

Ignoring the Dura-Steel armour, this will be the most visible stealth bomber on the planet.

The engines produce insane amounts of heat and it's big enough that it's going to be almost impossible to actually [B]not[/B] reflect radar.

It also doesn't carry a almost a million pounds of weight, Jesus Christ.

[MA-111 Heavy Transport Helicopter.]

>Carry around 1,000 FBPM Personnel

>Max Speed of 290 KPH

n o

o

[Svoboda(Freedom) Class battleship]

It's a battleship.

This is a problem.

[Sevastopol class Battlship]

It's a battleship.

This is a large problem.

[Gorshkov Class Titan]

?

Dreadnought?

This is the largest problem I have ever seen.

Lastly, most of your APCs are a little too big and will get your troops killed.

Conclusion? Holy Christ I underestimated the situation yesterday when I said it was only slight realism and standardization problems.

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The KZ-99 has a Crew of 6 and is usally deployed for Defensive Positions . The PMT Troops last Region were Pumped of All sorts of stuff with a Small Exo Suit so the weight wasent too big of a Issiue.

I modled the Weights of IRL stuff perhaps it was wrong.

The KZ-150 if you have a Better explanation for the Desgin than No snark intended , but please tell me.

The Barium Core Detonator is made to Destroy MASSIVE things, witch is why we encode them so that Hostiles cant get them . the Troops are Ordered to Memorize There codes and are often Randomly Tested by the Platoon Leaders and Quartermasters on the Code. its Also a Immediate Suspension Pending Court Marshal Review For use in a base or a Unauthorized Use.

The PS-105 is a close support mortar . The Entire Battalion wont have one it will be a small section of a Battalion

The EMP Gernade , all i have to say was made for PMT-FT

The Fat Lady my Lovely Chopper .

Well i just Took the Tank and Guesstimated the size. Perhaps not that fast but still

Why would i need to shuttle that many troops ? Invasion Forces,Evacuation, Rapid Response ?

The 305, again was made with Exo Suites and Super Humans in mind.

The Seige Gun , i had no intent of useing it here , I only kept it as a Seige weapon and a Psychological Weapon.

MA-76, Again PMT.

The Chinook

Again PMT, but whats the "Problem From Before?"

T-197 , Hows it a No ?

its a Big tank its got the Room for Shells , and as i said before intended use of Super Human Soliders

T-56 , Its a Lighter Tank that can be Fielded eaisyer where the T-197 would be over kill. whats it to ya that i have addational Tanks

The AT-CP

Why ?

Thats a totally MT Early PMT Concept

Ignore it why??

The SPAAAG idk what i put it as .

The Landstalker again Why ignore it ? Totally Feasible ?

The SU-100 Yea no shields , and why that howitzer only has 6 shots at max. Its sopposed to be a Tank/Bomber killer.

The SU-12 IDC as long as i have a Long range Bomber that can drop a nice sized payload is all im concerned with

The MA-111 Perhpas the speed can be lower , as ive stated before , made for PMT.

Im just gonna ignore all the navy Because im land locked and i like battleships so can it .

How are they too big ?

Also , instead of saying "N o o" Put some details in there that would help me alot .

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Russian Fedration wrote:[spoiler=Condensed]

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The KZ-99 has a Crew of 6 and is usally deployed for Defensive Positions . The PMT Troops last Region were Pumped of All sorts of stuff with a Small Exo Suit so the weight wasent too big of a Issiue.

I modled the Weights of IRL stuff perhaps it was wrong.

The KZ-150 if you have a Better explanation for the Desgin than No snark intended , but please tell me.

The Barium Core Detonator is made to Destroy MASSIVE things, witch is why we encode them so that Hostiles cant get them . the Troops are Ordered to Memorize There codes and are often Randomly Tested by the Platoon Leaders and Quartermasters on the Code. its Also a Immediate Suspension Pending Court Marshal Review For use in a base or a Unauthorized Use.

The PS-105 is a close support mortar . The Entire Battalion wont have one it will be a small section of a Battalion

The EMP Gernade , all i have to say was made for PMT-FT

The Fat Lady my Lovely Chopper .

Well i just Took the Tank and Guesstimated the size. Perhaps not that fast but still

Why would i need to shuttle that many troops ? Invasion Forces,Evacuation, Rapid Response ?

The 305, again was made with Exo Suites and Super Humans in mind.

The Seige Gun , i had no intent of useing it here , I only kept it as a Seige weapon and a Psychological Weapon.

MA-76, Again PMT.

The Chinook

Again PMT, but whats the "Problem From Before?"

T-197 , Hows it a No ?

its a Big tank its got the Room for Shells , and as i said before intended use of Super Human Soliders

T-56 , Its a Lighter Tank that can be Fielded eaisyer where the T-197 would be over kill. whats it to ya that i have addational Tanks

The AT-CP

Why ?

Thats a totally MT Early PMT Concept

Ignore it why??

The SPAAAG idk what i put it as .

The Landstalker again Why ignore it ? Totally Feasible ?

The SU-100 Yea no shields , and why that howitzer only has 6 shots at max. Its sopposed to be a Tank/Bomber killer.

The SU-12 IDC as long as i have a Long range Bomber that can drop a nice sized payload is all im concerned with

The MA-111 Perhpas the speed can be lower , as ive stated before , made for PMT.

Im just gonna ignore all the navy Because im land locked and i like battleships so can it .

How are they too big ?

Also , instead of saying "N o o" Put some details in there that would help me alot .

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And the ATAT would have all Ballistic weapons , and the Hovor tanks , why bring up the obvious ?

Russian Fedration wrote:And the ATAT would have all Ballistic weapons , and the Hovor tanks , why bring up the obvious ?

Another thing: How do you have all these advanced things in the middle of, basically, - a bunch of desert. Remember, this is MT.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:I didn't think I'd need it ;-;

It started out so small then it turned so outlandish.

It started with a kiss, how did it end up like this?

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Baxten wrote:Another thing: How do you have all these advanced things in the middle of, basically, - a bunch of desert. Remember, this is MT.

Exactly witch is why ive never said im gonna use these ...well atleast all of them

and it would help me know GDPs and stuff.

Russian Fedration wrote:Exactly witch is why ive never said im gonna use these ...well atleast all of them

and it would help me know GDPs and stuff.

Well we don't have a system of GDP. However, look at Afghanistan's before the Taliban, put it in an inflation calculator, and there you go.

Baxten wrote:Well we don't have a system of GDP. However, look at Afghanistan's before the Taliban, put it in an inflation calculator, and there you go.

that was like back in the 80s-90s and with no Devlopment thats taken place sence . i dont feel thats a Accurate Representation

Russian Fedration wrote:Exactly witch is why ive never said im gonna use these ...well atleast all of them

and it would help me know GDPs and stuff.

Here is some advice from a fellow desert dweller. Look at your natural resources, google Afghanistan for a feel. In my opinion economically you will pretty much have to specialize. For example, my nation specializes in small arms manufacturing. Obviously we do other stuff, like hydroponics farms, fishing, some mining...etc., but by, and large our biggest industry is making guns. That is where our income comes from. Well, that, and the Suez Canal. The Canal is probably my largest money maker, which is why I am so protective of it.

So the point is, find that thing that you could do, be it making batteries, or crafting candles, and go for it.

Russian Fedration, Yukona

Tserra wrote:Here is some advice from a fellow desert dweller. Look at your natural resources, google Afghanistan for a feel. In my opinion economically you will pretty much have to specialize. For example, my nation specializes in small arms manufacturing. Obviously we do other stuff, like hydroponics farms, fishing, some mining...etc., but by, and large our biggest industry is making guns. That is where our income comes from. Well, that, and the Suez Canal. The Canal is probably my largest money maker, which is why I am so protective of it.

So the point is, find that thing that you could do, be it making batteries, or crafting candles, and go for it.

Maybe I'll cut a canal from Vancouver all the way to Hudson Bay and let you all build oil rigs there but then charge you for the transit :^)

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:Here is some advice from a fellow desert dweller. Look at your natural resources, google Afghanistan for a feel. In my opinion economically you will pretty much have to specialize. For example, my nation specializes in small arms manufacturing. Obviously we do other stuff, like hydroponics farms, fishing, some mining...etc., but by, and large our biggest industry is making guns. That is where our income comes from. Well, that, and the Suez Canal. The Canal is probably my largest money maker, which is why I am so protective of it.

So the point is, find that thing that you could do, be it making batteries, or crafting candles, and go for it.

Im gonna be Exporting Drugs like no tomorrow . i have 3 maps of Resources and all that what not and it says that one of my Biggest natural Resources is "Opium" so im gonna state sponsor that

Now i Looked on Wikipedia and it said for 2014 that the Estimated GDP was 69 Billion USD .

I like that im gonna have to do some more research

Your in Egypt correct ?

Yukona wrote:Maybe I'll cut a canal from Vancouver all the way to Hudson Bay and let you all build oil rigs there but then charge you for the transit :^)

That would be a hell of a canal lol. If you need shooty things to help build that canal, I can give you a good price. 75 percent discount on all orders of 100'000 or more, provided you are purchasing the EBR-01 "Equalizer".

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Im gonna be Exporting Drugs like no tomorrow . i have 3 maps of Resources and all that what not and it says that one of my Biggest natural Resources is "Opium" so im gonna state sponsor that

Now i Looked on Wikipedia and it said for 2014 that the Estimated GDP was 69 Billion USD .

I like that im gonna have to do some more research

Your in Egypt correct ?

Indeed. I have Eastern Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, and Israel.

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:Indeed. I have Eastern Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, and Israel.

And Lebanon

Russian Fedration, Tserra

Baxten wrote:And Lebanon

Oh yeah, that too. I kinda forgot about poor old Lebanon. I just conflated it with Israel.

Oelesa

Tserra wrote:Indeed. I have Eastern Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, and Israel.

Baxten wrote:And Lebanon

Ahh nice Claim thats smart of you.

Well im new and Firmly Unaligned at the moment .Im just working on getting everything set up first of all.

Tserra

Russian Fedration wrote:Ahh nice Claim thats smart of you.

Well im new and Firmly Unaligned at the moment .Im just working on getting everything set up first of all.

Hey take your time. Rome was not built in a day. I hope you stick around for a while. :D

Russian Fedration

Tserra wrote:Oh yeah, that too. I kinda forgot about poor old Lebanon. I just conflated it with Israel.

Do we still have the Non aggression pact?

Tserra wrote:Hey take your time. Rome was not built in a day. I hope you stick around for a while. :D

I hope so too. im just trying to Figure out a good Set up here before i post.

Oelesa wrote:Do we still have the Non aggression pact?

I think I deleted the factbook when you lost your claim to Israel way back when, but I am still honoring it. Besides as a member of the Reich your like my best friend anyways. Tserra loves the Reich. The Reich is always welcome in Tserra. Tserran facilities are Reich facilities. Tserran military bases are Reich military bases. Tserran ports are Reich ports. :D

Russian Fedration wrote:Im gonna be Exporting Drugs like no tomorrow . i have 3 maps of Resources and all that what not and it says that one of my Biggest natural Resources is "Opium" so im gonna state sponsor that

Now i Looked on Wikipedia and it said for 2014 that the Estimated GDP was 69 Billion USD .

I like that im gonna have to do some more research

Your in Egypt correct ?

I suggest heavily investing in technologies such as hydroponics & vertical farming, water-sterilization, and Sol-Aerial Power. This way, you can have Energy, food production, and water sterilization all compounding on each other. You can also utilize biological components such as Rapeseed for polluted urban waste-water and GMO phytoplanktons and algea to help harvest hydrogen from similar wastes.

And now you have Hydrogen as a fuel source that produces water as waste...your welcome...And remember, technology and the international community are your friends

Russian Fedration, Tserra

Andromitus wrote:I suggest heavily investing in technologies such as hydroponics & vertical farming, water-sterilization, and Sol-Aerial Power. This way, you can have Energy, food production, and water sterilization all compounding on each other. You can also utilize biological components such as Rapeseed for polluted urban waste-water and GMO phytoplanktons and algea to help harvest hydrogen from similar wastes.

And now you have Hydrogen as a fuel source that produces water as waste...your welcome...And remember, technology and the international community are your friends

damn son! i like that , im gonna have to use that well thanks !

and i know i just dont know who i should be aligned with. Im going to Try to Revamp Afghanistan into a Modern Version of its self.

Tserra wrote:That would be a hell of a canal lol. If you need shooty things to help build that canal, I can give you a good price. 75 percent discount on all orders of 100'000 or more, provided you are purchasing the EBR-01 "Equalizer".

Canal pays for itself we have no problem lots of money very nice quick time

Tserra

I am gonna go pass out, and sleep for a while.

Love you all :D

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Russian Fedration wrote:damn son! i like that , im gonna have to use that well thanks !

and i know i just dont know who i should be aligned with. Im going to Try to Revamp Afghanistan into a Modern Version of its self.

Culturally, I'm a hyper-diverse, multi-cultural society (mainly due to my imperial history), and approx. 12% of my nations population speaks Arabic; Ideologically Ædenism takes perks from Socialism, a sprinkle of capitalism, and some wise words from libertarianism and and anarcho-communism; so in both of those regards I think a friendly relationship between our two nations is both probables and very likely because we share a similar federal structure, I'm just more decentralized, and while it has definitely fused into our overarching culture, Arabic and several cultures thusly are still present, especially in Gaida.

I can also supply you with early settlement technologies such as the ones I described earlier, without looking into details does this sound like a good deal?

Russian Fedration

Andromitus wrote:Culturally, I'm a hyper-diverse, multi-cultural society (mainly due to my imperial history), and approx. 12% of my nations population speaks Arabic; Ideologically Ædenism takes perks from Socialism, a sprinkle of capitalism, and some wise words from libertarianism and and anarcho-communism; so in both of those regards I think a friendly relationship between our two nations is both probables and very likely because we share a similar federal structure, I'm just more decentralized, and while it has definitely fused into our overarching culture, Arabic and several cultures thusly are still present, especially in Gaida.

I can also supply you with early settlement technologies such as the ones I described earlier, without looking into details does this sound like a good deal?

any ally im really ok with right now and i would like those techs . Historically for me we were taken over by the Resurrected Stalin's Russian Federation and after he Died The Lack of Leader ship Coupled with many other Crises Threw the Entire nation into wack and a Majority of it Split to Pieces , So thats why we have a High Russian / Arabic Population. Governmental Models are a "Loose Base for Kostaya Vanzin's Vanzinism For the Galactic Federation of Freeborn Planets"

But this is 2000 Years Plus In the Past in my history. I could Ramble on the Philosophies all i want lol id be here for ever , one thing thats different here , is im gonna have the Russian Orthodoxy and Sunni Islam Play Much Larger Roles than i normally would .

But yes Im very Interested in that deal !

Also Did the math , With the Afghan GDP in 2014 and my NS Budget Model , i get 200,000 Troops and spend 61,000 K on them each....I feel so Poor lol

im use to fielding 388 Million Troops for Roughly 1.1 Million USD each lol

Russian Fedration wrote:Also Did the math , With the Afghan GDP in 2014 and my NS Budget Model , i get 200,000 Troops and spend 61,000 K on them each....I feel so Poor lol

im use to fielding 388 Million Troops for Roughly 1.1 Million USD each lol

Still seems like quite a lot of troops to be honest with you man

hi

Russian Fedration, Penguania And Antarctica

Yukona wrote:Still seems like quite a lot of troops to be honest with you man

Well my Main Federation not my Afghanistan , we Emphasis GREATLY on the Military. and to protect 8-9 Billion People we need those troops

My Thoughts always have been the Bigger the military no one will bother you and you can focus on the Internal Developments more.

The Vidnoye wrote:hi

Houdy!

The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:Well my Main Federation not my Afghanistan , we Emphasis GREATLY on the Military. and to protect 8-9 Billion People we need those troops

My Thoughts always have been the Bigger the military no one will bother you and you can focus on the Internal Developments more.

Houdy!

Are we talking in RP out of RP?

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:Are we talking in RP out of RP?

388 Million Cannon for me , 200,000 Cannon for RP :)

The Vidnoye wrote:hi

Oh hey der

Russian Fedration, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica

Russian Fedration wrote:388 Million Cannon for me , 200,000 Cannon for RP :)

It makes sense - well in RP, you won't have that population, so the numbers make sense - to you at least. Still, Afghanistan is basically at war with itself and maintains and incredibly large army for its size and terrain. I'd suggest the area of 160,000 would be better and maybe make up the rest in reserves - that is, a professional army. Depending on your equipment and if you're having Afghanistan's GDP too, you'd struggle to maintain a good army of 200,000 with adequate modern and advanced technology like that of, say, Jordan. It really depends on the economics pal.

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:It makes sense - well in RP, you won't have that population, so the numbers make sense - to you at least. Still, Afghanistan is basically at war with itself and maintains and incredibly large army for its size and terrain. I'd suggest the area of 160,000 would be better and maybe make up the rest in reserves - that is, a professional army. Depending on your equipment and if you're having Afghanistan's GDP too, you'd struggle to maintain a good army of 200,000 with adequate modern and advanced technology like that of, say, Jordan. It really depends on the economics pal.

God dammit I hate we don't have an economics system.

Russian Fedration, Yukona

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Kalaron wrote:I didn't think I'd need it ;-;

It started out so small then it turned so outlandish.

Eh, it's hard for me to say anything on it because of how little detail there is.

The Tank will show up, that is fact, but it will be reduced. The Choppers aren't dodging anything at all but ECM can help them get out of the way.

"Heavy transport chopper"

How much fuel do you think y'all have?

Shhhhhhh stop pointing out potholes. Also the [redacted] blockers will be removed at a later date after I figure everything out.

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:It makes sense - well in RP, you won't have that population, so the numbers make sense - to you at least. Still, Afghanistan is basically at war with itself and maintains and incredibly large army for its size and terrain. I'd suggest the area of 160,000 would be better and maybe make up the rest in reserves - that is, a professional army. Depending on your equipment and if you're having Afghanistan's GDP too, you'd struggle to maintain a good army of 200,000 with adequate modern and advanced technology like that of, say, Jordan. It really depends on the economics pal.

I used the 2014 Economics of Afghanistan and my Budget was a 69 Billion USD, and I was told that i Really didnt have to fallow the Nation Exactly , so i really wasent gonna Add the Taliban too much instead replace them with Russian Orthodox Minority Fighters . i Just Used my NS Budget Division for my Numbers .

Equipment wise will be Difficult however tho .

Baxten wrote:God dammit I hate we don't have an economics system.

Kinda why im just going with what i think/Know/Calculated

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Shhhhhhh stop pointing out potholes. Also the [redacted] blockers will be removed at a later date after I figure everything out.

Well those potholes need to be fixed to participate in the canon RPs.

Russian Fedration wrote:I used the 2014 Economics of Afghanistan and my Budget was a 69 Billion USD, and I was told that i Really didnt have to fallow the Nation Exactly , so i really wasent gonna Add the Taliban too much instead replace them with Russian Orthodox Minority Fighters . i Just Used my NS Budget Division for my Numbers .

Equipment wise will be Difficult however tho .

You could take the GDP per capita before the Taliban, and multiply it by your population now to get the GDP

Baxten wrote:You could take the GDP per capita before the Taliban, and multiply it by your population now to get the GDP

Im trying to find that right now and im not really finding anything . and idk why id use Old statistics

Baxten wrote:Well those potholes need to be fixed to participate in the canon RPs.

Other than the oil off our coast and withen our territories I'm thinking of setting up a deal with Russ since well Afghan. Other than that we'll buy it from people but the Heavy transports are low in number and are only deployed once at certain bases. I'm going to add transport jets for everything else.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:Im trying to find that right now and im not really finding anything . and idk why id use Old statistics

Because Afghani GDP is in shambles. If you use older stats, but make it proportional to today, it would be like a stable Afghani GDP

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Other than the oil off our coast and withen our territories I'm thinking of setting up a deal with Russ since well Afghan. Other than that we'll buy it from people but the Heavy transports are low in number and are only deployed once at certain bases. I'm going to add transport jets for everything else.

Remember; resources are proportional to real world Earth

Russian Fedration

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Other than the oil off our coast and withen our territories I'm thinking of setting up a deal with Russ since well Afghan. Other than that we'll buy it from people but the Heavy transports are low in number and are only deployed once at certain bases. I'm going to add transport jets for everything else.

Id be happy too

Baxten wrote:Because Afghani GDP is in shambles. If you use older stats, but make it proportional to today, it would be like a stable Afghani GDP

Thats True , but that sounds like a Massive and difficult head ache unless you can explain it too me because im not finding any of those numbers

I found one that said it was the Equivalence of 60 Dollars that dosent seem accurate to me.

Russian Fedration wrote:Id be happy too

Thats True , but that sounds like a Massive and difficult head ache unless you can explain it too me because im not finding any of those numbers

I found one that said it was the Equivalence of 60 Dollars that dosent seem accurate to me.

Simple

GDP per Capita of a past year (adjusted with inflation using inflation calculator) x Map population

Hell, you could take the one today and multiply it by your pop

Russian Fedration

Baxten wrote:Simple

GDP per Capita of a past year (adjusted with inflation using inflation calculator) x Map population

Hell, you could take the one today and multiply it by your pop

thats the thing tho i cant find the Afghani GDP from 1960

Russian Fedration wrote:Id be happy too

Thats True , but that sounds like a Massive and difficult head ache unless you can explain it too me because im not finding any of those numbers

I found one that said it was the Equivalence of 60 Dollars that dosent seem accurate to me.

Alright so I be your international security in trade for my hands in your oil pockets?

Russian Fedration

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Alright so I be your international security in trade for my hands in your oil pockets?

you know me i need a better trade deal than that lol :)

Russian Fedration wrote:thats the thing tho i cant find the Afghani GDP from 1960

Baxten wrote:Simple

GDP per Capita of a past year (adjusted with inflation using inflation calculator) x Map population

Hell, you could take the one today and multiply it by your pop

OK so according to this ,

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=afghanistan+gdp+per+capita+1960

thats 60 Dollars a Person.

Kinda week.

than useing this https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=60&year1=196001&year2=201703

I put January 1960 and than march of 2017 it says its 500 Dollars but on Wikipedia it says the GDP per capita is 2,000 USD

Russian Fedration wrote:you know me i need a better trade deal than that lol :)

OK so according to this ,

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=afghanistan+gdp+per+capita+1960

thats 60 Dollars a Person.

Kinda week.

than useing this https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=60&year1=196001&year2=201703

I put January 1960 and than march of 2017 it says its 500 Dollars but on Wikipedia it says the GDP per capita is 2,000 USD

Both domestic and international?

Russian Fedration

Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Both domestic and international?

no lol thats the army and polices Job lol

we can talk over TG because i need to know what extra you can offer me , i mean i need my Oil Pockets too.

Russian Fedration wrote:no lol thats the army and polices Job lol

we can talk over TG because i need to know what extra you can offer me , i mean i need my Oil Pockets too.

Okey dokey.

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Baxten wrote:God dammit I hate we don't have an economics system.

We should make one, it'd make RP'ing way better

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Andromitus wrote:We should make one, it'd make RP'ing way better

I agree...as long as its not stupid....Believe me ive been to a Region where it felt like the "Special" kid made it

Baxten

Baxten wrote:

God dammit I hate we don't have an economics system.

Talk to the Commission of Economics

Andromitus wrote:We should make one, it'd make RP'ing way better

Russian Fedration wrote:I agree...as long as its not stupid....Believe me ive been to a Region where it felt like the "Special" kid made it

Pretty much. This is why it's difficult; if you don't do it right, you're gonna screw the entire RP up.

Vista Major wrote:Talk to the Commission of Economics

Who?

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Baxten wrote:Pretty much. This is why it's difficult; if you don't do it right, you're gonna screw the entire RP up.

Who?

EXACTLY!

and you dont what that

i feel ya

and you took the words out of my mouth

Who?

sorry i had ham for dinner and that received my full undivided attention.

Russian Fedration wrote:EXACTLY!

and you dont what that

i feel ya

and you took the words out of my mouth

Who?

sorry i had ham for dinner and that received my full undivided attention.

Who? as in who (or what) is the Commission of Economics

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Baxten wrote:Who?

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10057266/1/

Vista Major wrote:http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10057266/1/

Oh. Can I nominate myself to be on it?

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Baxten wrote:Who? as in who (or what) is the Commission of Economics

Vista Major wrote:http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10057266/1/

Huh....Intresting

Baxten wrote:Oh. Can I nominate myself to be on it?

I could nominate you

Though I'll need to get all of you confirmed by the House soon. Slight oversight on my part

Russian Fedration

Vista Major wrote:I could nominate you

Though I'll need to get all of you confirmed by the House soon. Slight oversight on my part

any other Free spots ?

Baxten wrote:Who? as in who (or what) is the Commission of Economics

I know I'm new, but RF can vouch for my knowledge in economics. Am I able to nominate myself?

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:I know I'm new, but RF can vouch for my knowledge in economics. Am I able to nominate myself?

it is vastly painful his Knowledge on Capitalism it hurts this communist ...witch is why i asked if i could go to Represent the unrepresented

Jakal has primarily based most of its operations after fascist forces forcefully couped its leader under payment from the loyalists. Combat operations as well as peacekeeping operations have resulted in multiple clashes with insurrectionist forces as well as multiple bases set up the naval fleet has been brought in from Alpha base off the coast to land troops to counter the hostile forces. The primary government has stated that Jakal forces will be allowed to stay apon completion of their task as the primary fighting force. In return their oil reserves and military will be inducted into Jakal.

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Modern Tech Helghan wrote:Jakal has primarily based most of its operations after fascist forces forcefully couped its leader under payment from the loyalists. Combat operations as well as peacekeeping operations have resulted in multiple clashes with insurrectionist forces as well as multiple bases set up the naval fleet has been brought in from Alpha base off the coast to land troops to counter the hostile forces. The primary government has stated that Jakal forces will be allowed to stay apon completion of their task as the primary fighting force. In return their oil reserves and military will be inducted into Jakal.

Huh thought I typed in southern India guess not.

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Russian Fedration wrote:any other Free spots ?

Friedensreich wrote:I know I'm new, but RF can vouch for my knowledge in economics. Am I able to nominate myself?

You get a nomination​!

And you get a nomination!

And anyone else I want gets a nomination!

#PresidentOprah

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Vista Major wrote:You get a nomination​!

And you get a nomination!

And anyone else I want gets a nomination!

#PresidentOprah

https://img.memesuper.com/e30408f8188a7383817a87c751002bf4_the-gop-the-last-few-days-imgflip-i-nominate-you-meme_310-232.jpeg

Vista Major

Russian Fedration wrote:

https://img.memesuper.com/e30408f8188a7383817a87c751002bf4_the-gop-the-last-few-days-imgflip-i-nominate-you-meme_310-232.jpeg

Exactly

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So i just found out that you can Exceed the 25 Factbook limit by useing Dispatches.... AFGHANI INFORMATION FTW!!!!!

Vista Major

Russian Fedration wrote:So i just found out that you can Exceed the 25 Factbook limit by useing Dispatches.... AFGHANI INFORMATION FTW!!!!! 
I didn't even know there was a limit

Russian Fedration

Vista Major wrote:I didn't even know there was a limit

OH YEA! Theres a 25 Factbook Limit thats why i Have Big Factbooks with sub Sub-sub factbooks inside them

BUT it looks like using Dispatches can Overtake that

i have 24 Factbooks and than i had 4 Dispatches i deleated them all because 2 were a test and than 2 were 2 years old .

Baxten wrote:He can do what he wants as long as it's MT. Is it inefficient? Yes. Would he get rofl-stomped by even PK (sorry PK, but your nation is in shambles after all)? Yes. Can he do that if he abides the rules? Yes

Very late on this, but yeah, sending mercenaries into a country that is effectively the modern-day equivalent of Renaissance Italy, albeit with all factions fielding enough equipment and manpower to hold each other off, would probably end in the latter winning; plus, al-Qarn is basically Somalia-at-large, or in other words, everyone hates each other, but they hate foreign occupiers even more

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Pirate Kingdoms wrote: plus, al-Qarn is basically Somalia-at-large, or in other words, everyone hates each other, but they hate foreign occupiers even more

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/557473620017291264/DCnwwit3.jpeg

As the coup in southern India ends a private military rises and grows from just a small yet powerful force of a few hundred thousand to almost 8000000 due to the large amount of people joining and the conscription of military and law enforcement from southern India into our ranks! Soon after this happened a single message from a group in Afghanistan known as Russian Fedration contacted our primary office in the Indian Ocean and set up a deal. 15% of their yearly oil production and 4,000,000 of our dollars to defend their honorable trade routes and oil fields and as well train their forces in CQB! Today marks the day that Jakal INC bounces back to the international stage toppling those such as Blackwater and Triple Canopy!!!! These groups will be bought out eventually along with Aegis but this will take time. Most contractor companies will join our ranks! Currently our forces are preparing relief to nations destroyed by war, famine, disease, natural disasters, and poverty!

Our research departments are hard at work developing bipedal and quadruped walkers and drones to support our contractors in the field! Together we can all do great things let's keep it all going!!!

Russian Fedration

any advice for a Introductory post . Before i kinda knew what to do but MT is a new Introductory setting for me.

Russian Fedration wrote:I used the 2014 Economics of Afghanistan and my Budget was a 69 Billion USD, and I was told that i Really didnt have to fallow the Nation Exactly , so i really wasent gonna Add the Taliban too much instead replace them with Russian Orthodox Minority Fighters . i Just Used my NS Budget Division for my Numbers .

Equipment wise will be Difficult however tho .

That is an immense defence budget for Afghanistan

Yukona wrote:That is an immense defence budget for Afghanistan

i just took what my NS Budget Distribution is and used that and Split all the money according to that.

my NS Defence stat is 17.7% my police 18.1%

Russian Fedration wrote:i just took what my NS Budget Distribution is and used that and Split all the money according to that.

my NS Defence stat is 17.7% my police 18.1%

I don't think we use NS budget as it's quite unrealistic. That is seriously an immensely high, and I mean high, budget per GDP.

Yukona wrote:I don't think we use NS budget as it's quite unrealistic. That is seriously an immensely high, and I mean high, budget per GDP.

well the 2014 GDP was 69 Billion and the Afghan military budget was 11 Billion

so its actually pretty realistic

Ive been number crunching all day.

Russian Fedration wrote:well the 2014 GDP was 69 Billion and the Afghan military budget was 11 Billion

so its actually pretty realistic

Ive been number crunching all day.

Afghan GDP is near enough 20 billion USD iirc, that means 50% of their budget is going to the military in your case, roughly. And the majority of that budget Afghanistan has is sustained by the US and U.K. No way could they afford that on their own...

Yukona wrote:Afghan GDP is near enough 20 billion USD iirc, that means 50% of their budget is going to the military in your case, roughly. And the majority of that budget Afghanistan has is sustained by the US and U.K. No way could they afford that on their own...

welp not the numbers i got .

Russian Fedration wrote:welp not the numbers i got .

Well, what numbers did you get? The Afghan Armed Forces are heavily, heavily subsidised by the US to the point where practically all the budget is owned by the Yanks

Yukona wrote:Well, what numbers did you get? The Afghan Armed Forces are heavily, heavily subsidised by the US to the point where practically all the budget is owned by the Yanks

yea fully know that but there not useing my percentage.

i got my numbers off the "Economy of Afghanistan" Wikipedia Page, and in 2014 the GDP was 69 billion

seemed right to me.

and Afghanistan in 15 i think had 250,000 Troops

Russian Fedration wrote:yea fully know that but there not useing my percentage.

i got my numbers off the "Economy of Afghanistan" Wikipedia Page, and in 2014 the GDP was 69 billion

seemed right to me.

The IMF forecasts the Afghan GDP to be around 19.3 billion USD for 2017. Conversely, it also predicts the Afghan GDP (PPP) to be around 67.7 billion USD. It's using the same products, but its just calculating GDP in a different way.

Where the traditional way to calculate GDP is by accounting for all of the nation's domestic product in its respective currency then simply converting that total to the USD to reach a grand total, PPP adjusts for market price, and shows a much more representative value of the purchasing power in a nation by creating a PPP factor (where s= currency 1/currency 2 for X good) and including that in the GDP calculation.

Personally, I would say using GDP (PPP) is a better way of catching the actual value of all of a nation's domestic assets, and would say that the 67.7 billion is more accurate than the 19.3.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:The IMF forecasts the Afghan GDP to be around 19.3 billion USD for 2017. Conversely, it also predicts the Afghan GDP (PPP) to be around 67.7 billion USD. It's using the same products, but its just calculating GDP in a different way.

Where the traditional way to calculate GDP is by accounting for all of the nation's domestic product in its respective currency then simply converting that total to the USD to reach a grand total, PPP adjusts for market price, and shows a much more representative value of the purchasing power in a nation by creating a PPP factor (where s= currency 1/currency 2 for X good) and including that in the GDP calculation.

Personally, I would say using GDP (PPP) is a better way of catching the actual value of all of a nation's domestic assets, and would say that the 67.7 billion is more accurate than the 19.3.

What's also funny is that the Chinese GDP (adjusted for PPP) dwarfs the US, India, and EU by at least 3 trillion USD.

Mainland China (excluding Hong Kong and Macau, and excluding Taiwan, which many including myself say is still a part of the PRC) has a GDP (PPP) of 23.19 trillion USD, which is trailed behind the "European" GDP (PPP) at 20.85 trillion USD, and then in third by the US at 19.41 trillion USD.

Russian Fedration

Russian Fedration wrote:any advice for a Introductory post . Before i kinda knew what to do but MT is a new Introductory setting for me.

Well there are many things you can do, but I personally suggest a few posts about recent actions to bring yourself onto the international stage on the Confederacy General; For example you could announce a few actions in the form of a news article; You can read on how [nation=short]the_vidnoye[/nation]'s doing it, say your importing some nice Andreallic Neo-Settlement Technologies that I mentioned to you earlier (Ill TG U if Your interested), that could be a big leap from a previous backwater nation to a growing Russo-Arabic Middle Eastern power on the international stage.

You could react to the cruel Theocracy right next door that totally doesn't use inhumane weapons YES I'M STILL SALTY ABOUT THAT CaDS! You could begin ramping up oil production in your area...

What I'm trying to say is that the world is your oyster right about now, because now your starting to forge friendships and enemies with other nations, which wether you like it or not, is going to have profound effects on your nation forever

Russian Fedration, Modern Tech Helghan

Some Scottish clergyman has said there is a moral case for voting No.

How about you stick to your medieval sky fairy fantasies, mate, and leave the politics to the people and politicians?

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Nuremgard wrote:Some Scottish clergyman has said there is a moral case for voting No.

How about you stick to your medieval sky fairy fantasies, mate, and leave the politics to the people and politicians?

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll pray for "no" votes

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Andromitus wrote:Don't worry, I'm sure he'll pray for "no" votes

Typical churchman supporting the establishment. It's what they've always done.

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Nuremgard wrote:Some Scottish clergyman has said there is a moral case for voting No.

How about you stick to your medieval sky fairy fantasies, mate, and leave the politics to the people and politicians?

Are you saying there's not a sane case for voting no?

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Yukona wrote:Are you saying there's not a sane case for voting no?

Sane? What's sane about remaining shackled to an increasingly right wing Tory government?

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Yukona wrote:Are you saying there's not a sane case for voting no?

Oh boy, British arguments. How exciting

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Baxten wrote:Oh boy, British arguments. How exciting

*grabs popcorn*

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Baxten wrote:Oh boy, British arguments. How exciting

Well it's that or we talk about President Oompa Loompa.

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Nuremgard wrote:Well it's that or we talk about President Oompa Loompa.

I'm actually fine with both tbh

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Baxten wrote:Oh boy, British arguments. How exciting

It's not so much Nurem's position that irritates me, it's just the disregard for anything and all views against his. Like, I'm not a big fan of socialism - but I can understand the morals behind it and why people are socialist. I don't like it from an economic stand point, but as much as I bust people's balls about it I don't feel the need to lambaste their moral values just because they have a different political view than me. I kinda sincerely hope he bigs it up just like I do with how anti-communist I am, it just gets tiring when people don't at least see the other side of things, even if they don't like it. I hope that doesn't come off as argumentative or insulting (the latter to Nurem).

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