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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
So we should never criticize other people's hateful opinions out of fear of radicalizing them?
Nuremgard
Yeah. I'm so scared of hurting the feelings of a person who wants to exterminate an entire race or social group.
Gualimole
"Liberal conservatism incorporates the classical liberal view of minimal government intervention in the economy, according to which individuals should be free to participate in the market and generate wealth without government interference.[2] However, individuals cannot be thoroughly depended on to act responsibly in other spheres of life, therefore liberal conservatives believe that a strong state is necessary to ensure law and order and social institutions are needed to nurture a sense of duty and responsibility to the nation.[2] It is a political position which also supports civil liberties along with some social conservative positions and is usually regarded as a centre-right ideology. In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."
That sounds a lot like most Western conservative parties. A liberal really is just someone who believes in the ideals of the Enlightenment, liberal democracy, and the rule of law. Most people today are liberals.
The British Cons are not socially liberal. The majority of them are socially authoritarian. The only reason gay marriage was legalised in England was because other parties in Parliament voted for it. The majority of Tory MPs voted against it. The same thing happened in Scotland.
"In western Europe, especially northern Europe, liberal conservatism is the dominant form of contemporary conservatism and has also adopted some socially liberal positions."
Wasn't Cameron's government pretty socially liberal when compared to the governments of other Tories?
Criticizing is not the same as illegalizing?
If you read my prior posts, I never say "You should never say they're wrong".
No. Just because he and some of his ministers were socially liberal does not make his party socially liberal. Like I said, the majority of Tory MPs were anti-gay marriage.
Someone advocating genocide needs to be arrested and locked away, not simply told off. If that makes other bigots feel "under attack" then tough titty.
Gualimole
"if you attack someone, the person who agrees with them to an extent tends to interpret it as an attack on themselves."
You certainly were implying it.
Nuremgard
This is totally unrelated but it just came to my mind there.
The other day you mentioned an election was coming up in Iraq. What party, if any, do you think should win and why?
All of the major choices are horrible. Maliki is extremely corrupt and his sectarianism will likely bring forth a second civil war in Iraq, Abadi is far too friendly to Iranian interests in the country, and the Sadrists are too clericalist and are too nationalistic for my liking. Out of the three major choices, Abadi's Victory Front is the least worst choice in the elections that are coming up in Iraq.
Nuremgard
I'm always interested to hear your take on Middle Eastern affairs. I wanted to do a class on conflict in the Middle East but I couldn't. It clashed with my research classes unfortunately.
I really don't know much about Middle Eastern affairs. Especially since my Arabic is horrible when I rarely ever have to write it or speak it in the US. American politics is my "expertise".
Nuremgard
What do you think about pan-Arab nationalism?
Not really, you'll note that I only ever used "Attack" to mean "Punishing someone with punitive force". You might have interpreted it that way, but my other posts should have disillusioned you to it.
And then the folks who share a few ideas with bigots feel attacked, and then folks who share ideas with those folks feel attacked, and it keeps spreading because we're not just talking about bigots but literally people who share a degree of ideas with them. It's a spreading problem that breeds as you react in extreme ways like legalistically attacking people. Hence the problem there with keeping it from spreading.
Again, the core of the problem is the target, not the symptoms.
It shouldn't exist. An Arab in Morocco likely has more in common with someone from Spain than someone in Iraq. The Arab World simply is too diverse economically, culturally, historically, and religiously to unite in any way, and unite did Arab leaders try and fail to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Federation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Arab_Republics
Nuremgard
I'm also not Arab, so the idea of a united Arab state is a bit scary for me as an Assyrian.
It's an interesting idea though. Would make for a cool NS country.
Please don't turn this into a debate about semantics.
Oh, okay. Sorry, I thought you were Arab.
So is the idea of a united kingdom made up of the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland.
https://t2.rbxcdn.com/6993954438571d7f8d43cccee87150ca
Jaslandia
*Shrug*
It's more that I disagree with you on whether I implied it or not, honestly. But I'll digress either way.
Well as an avowed Scots nationalist, even I can admit there is some logical basis for a United Kingdom.
*Shurg*
And thus, this "debate" came to an end as everyone decided to shrug, and if Nurem refuses to shrug, nothing will happen to him.
Kingdom? What year are we in?
Nuremgard
Do you believe Assyrians should have their own state or do you think they should assimilate into modern states with autonomy?
2018 but sadly Brits wont cut the monarchical umbilical cord.
I would only support an independent Assyrian state in case of an independent Kurdish state that encompassed the traditional Assyrian homeland. But if that were to not happen, then I would only support autonomy for the traditional Assyrian homeland. I'm not much of an Assyrian nationalist considering our violent history that arguably made the Middle East the mess it is today.
Nuremgard
Fair enough. Cheers for answering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide
Why did the Ottomans hate the Assyrians so much?
They thought we would side with the Russians during WWI because most Assyrians are Christian. Not only that, but the Young Turks who were at power at the time didn't care much for the multicultural nature of the Ottoman Empire and wanted to imposed Turkish ideas, traditions, and culture on the Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Mandeans, Druze, Yazidis, and various other people groups in the empire.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Blame the Young Turks for radicalizing on the "Ottoman Empire for Turks" concept
I read this and immediately thought of the News Network. lol :P
Jaslandia
Ah, I see. I wonder if the Ottomans had treated minorities equally and with respect, the Empire might have survived for a bit longer.
So the liberal newscasters the Young Turks are named after radicals in the Ottoman Empire.
All righty then.
Jaslandia
It makes sense when you consider how Cenk used to deny the Armenian Genocide.
But those radicals were liberal radicals, so it makes sense.
What a dick.
He also made some sexist statements in the 90s.
They were democrats right? They wanted to make the monarchy constitutional or get rid of it altogether.
I'd say the Armenian remarks are worse lol
He still has difficulties in admitting to it and tends to gush on the positive aspects of the Empire while downplaying it.
Cenk is a c*nt
What's interesting is seeing the Ottoman Empire collapsing without European intervention. What new countries would come out of that?
Nuremgard
I wish we could go back in time and let the Empire collapse naturally. Or go back and have the British and French honour their promise of a united Arab state.
They wanted the former, but not the latter. And it's important to note that the Ottomans were liberalizing even before the Young Turks came into power.
I don't blame him. When you're raised in a country where journalists get arrested for stating that the Armenian Genocide is a genocide, it's not hard to see a Turk raised in that kind of system denying the genocide.
Nuremgard, Chernarus State
Yeah I knew the Empire had been liberalising and reforming for years before that in a desperate attempt to maintain the territorial integrity of the state. I was quite amazed that a Muslim empire legalised homosexuality in the 1800s.
I used to watch TYT occasionally in the past.
They desired a constitutional government that restricted the powers of the monarchy. After 1911, the group split between the Committee of Union and Progress and the Freedom and Accord Party - FAP was the liberal, pro-decentralized sect and CUP was the nationalist, pro-centralization sect. After the Raid on the Sublime Port in 1913, that following rigged elections in favor of CUP and a revolt by FAP officers in 1912, CUP held power as the Three Pashas, the guys responsible for Ottoman entry into WW1 and the genocides (luckily they got their just desserts from several Armenians in 1921 and 1922).
Nuremgard
Well I am glad they got their comeuppance. They also didn't help their cause by backing the losing side in WWI. Obviously they couldn't have known the Central Powers would lose but still.
Chernarus State
The bearded guy on the left looks a bit Jewish, and the whole thing seems a bit tinfoily, but I wouldn't say anti-Semitic.
https://youtu.be/jSJQEl5vcAo
I imagine you would know all about hammers, you Commie b*stard.
jk
It's Percyton!
You mean the ancient Assyrians? Because considering they were one of the first warmongers and first imperialists in history, you could legitimately make that claim (maybe).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Assyrian_Empire
I imagine the Middle East would have been more fractured, and maybe a brief period of warlordism while the dust settles, but without the artificial states imposed by the British and French, I imagine things would have turned out better in the long-run.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
https://i.imgur.com/o3jz0li.gif
Hey. There's Shazria.
I'm doing top-down reforms to stop change and revolution coming from the bottom-up.
Penguania And Antarctica
I was referring to the ancient Assyrians.
That period of warlordism would've been especially violent in the tribalistic nightmares that are Arabia and Kurdistan.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Shazria?
Penguania And Antarctica
It's my Iran.
Penguania And Antarctica
True. But, forgive if I'm being glib, those regions have been tribalistic for a while now (I can't speak for Kurdistan, but from what I know about the life of Muhammad and the Quran, the importance of clan and tribal ties go back to even before Muhammad and Islam), so they'd be used to it. And I think one or more stable states would emerge sooner or later from those messes.
Nuremgard
Let's just hope it's the Hashemites who come out in this timeline instead of the Saudis.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
I don't think that's true, Peng. I'm quoting one of those not-old respectful people now, for example.
Doesn't seem to be a lot of famous birthdays today. But, that just makes those who do have a birthday today all the more special! Happy birthday, all you March 28thers!
It is. I always thought that face they made for me was kinda weird, but it's also kinda clever at the same time. Here's the context, for those of you who are wondering.
https://youtu.be/qbaeVpH7pE4?t=2m7s
Also, people seem to be fond of making 'memes' out of my model series faces, and I don't know why. Like, why are these 'memes'?
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/946108100880171008/ehE7I7Ew_400x400.jpg
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/0/0f/Baa%2118.png/revision/latest?cb=20120507133600
But not these?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/9/99/WildWaterRescue19.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20150618183602
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/c/c3/WildWaterRescue20.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20160416233111
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/5/54/KingoftheRailway208.png/revision/latest?cb=20150526022658
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
What makes you think the Hashemites would be better?
A lot of your TV series is meme material it seems. And don't worry, it's not just the model series. I've seen Dart's CGI face used a lot (especially as a profile pic), though I'm not sure why people gravitate toward Dart's face out of all characters.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/thomasthetankengineandfriends/images/2/21/Dart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120111090618
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PFDyNszR7yw/maxresdefault.jpg
https://orig00.deviantart.net/8c89/f/2015/336/2/a/what_is_it_with_dart_s_face___meme__by_sergeant_sunflower-d9iuvw2.jpg
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement
And you think the Hashemites could have resisted or weakened Salafism/Wahhabism?
Yes.
Jaslandia
Fair enough. I know Salafism isn't a big problem in the one country where the Hashemites are still in power (Jordan), and since the Saudis were big-time promoters of Salafism and Wahhabism, anything would be better than them in that regard.
Gualimole
Yeah, I mentioned that to Dart a little while back, because I had also seen a few profiles with his face. His reaction was basically the third picture you posted. He was happy to be famous, but was also really confused, and he wished he knew why he was famous.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
According to the comments from that pic, it came from a Vinesauce video. Could be wrong, though, and I don't know the context.
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms_WY0s_1XM&t=0m18s
What about me? I know I don't post links often, but when I do do they get a click?
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
I lost a war to Serbia as Scotland in CK2 without Serbia ever sending a troop to Scotland.
Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia
I click them
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Hey guys,
(In order of deadlines)
Vote
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/70/court-international-law-justice-membership
VOTE
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/69/chartered-organization-act
VOTE
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/72/utopian-protections-act
VOTE
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/71/parliamentary-titles-act
Ya killin me
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton
Good Day! Hope everyone has a good day!
Song of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw
The Chancellor's Public Schedule [I]29 March 2018
(All times Eastern. Subject to change.)
11:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Minister of Justice
18:00 The Chancellor holds his weekly conference with the Speaker
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Conferences with Peng and I?!
You lucky dog, you.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton
I gotchua fam.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Why is he lucky? Maybe I'm a pain in the a$$ when it comes to MoJ-ing?
Merc is a rampant masochist, so hed probably enjoy you being a pain in thr ass.
If you were one. Which I refuse to believe you are.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Percyton
Joins Ally's War, doesn't send any troops.
Ally joins my war, uses his soldiers as meat puppets to bolster my ranks.
Never say never. ;)
I just finished the Wikibox for Gualimole. How does it look?
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gualimole/detail=factbook/id=997133
Percyton
Posting from the UNHQ! The WA bares a few similarities
Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton
You just said 'never' twice. Your argument is invalid. *insert smiley emoticon with tongue sticking out here*
Looks good. So I'm guessing Gualimole is based out of Southern California?
Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Thanks! Can you think of some ideas for the nation? The theme that I am thinking of is of a multicultural America with a demarchic political system.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
This also explains why I ran for chancellor
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Sounds like you're on the right track. Maybe you could expand about the racial politics of Gualimole, and how all the different groups get along?
Percyton, Gualimole
[spoiler=Today is March 29 and today are:]
Today is March 29 and today are:
- Boganda Day (Central African Republic)
- Commemoration of the 1947 Rebellion (Madagascar)
- Day of the Young Combatant (Chile)
- Knights of Columbus Founders Day
- Little Red Wagon Day
- Mahavir Jayanti (India)
- Maundy Thursday (Christianity)
- National Lemon Chiffon Cake Day (United States)
- National Mom and Pop Business Owners Day (United States)
- National Nevada Day (United States)
- National Vietnam War Veterans Day (United States)
- Smoke and Mirrors Day
- Youth Day (Taiwan)
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[spoiler=This day in history:]
This day in history:
- 0502 King Gundobad issues a new legal code (Lex Burgundionum) at Lyon that makes Gallo-Romans and Burgundians subject to the same laws.
- 0845 Paris is sacked by Viking raiders, probably under Ragnar Lodbrok, who collects a huge ransom in exchange for leaving.
- 1430 The Ottoman Empire under Murad II captures Thessalonica from the Republic of Venice.
- 1461 Wars of the Roses: Battle of Towton: Edward of York defeats Queen Margaret to become King Edward IV of England.
- 1500 Cesare Borgia is given the title of Captain General and Gonfalonier by his father Rodrigo Borgia after returning from his conquests in the Romagna.
- 1549 The city of Salvador da Bahia, the first capital of Brazil, is founded.
- 1632 Treaty of Saint-Germain is signed returning Quebec to French control after the English had seized it in 1629.
- 1792 King Gustav III of Sweden dies after being shot in the back at a midnight masquerade ball at Stockholm's Royal Opera 13 days earlier. He is succeeded by Gustav IV Adolf.
- 1806 Construction is authorized of the Great National Pike, better known as the Cumberland Road, becoming the first United States federal highway.
- 1809 King Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden abdicates after a coup d'état. At the Diet of Porvoo, Finland's four Estates pledge allegiance to Alexander I of Russia, commencing the secession of the Grand Duchy of Finland from Sweden.
- 1817 King Louis XVIII of France plays boules against the British Prince Regent to celebrate the new alliance between the two nations following the Napoleonic Wars.
- 1831 Great Bosnian uprising: Bosniaks rebel against Turkey.
- 1847 MexicanAmerican War: United States forces led by General Winfield Scott take Veracruz after a siege.
- 1849 The United Kingdom annexes the Punjab.
- 1857 Sepoy Mangal Pandey of the 34th Regiment, Bengal Native Infantry mutinies against the East India Company's rule in India and inspires the protracted Indian Rebellion of 1857, also known as the Sepoy Mutiny.
- 1865 American Civil War: Federal forces under Major General Philip Sheridan move to flank Confederate forces under Robert E. Lee as the Appomattox Campaign begins.
- 1867 Queen Victoria gives Royal Assent to the British North America Act which establishes the Dominion of Canada on July 1.
- 1871 Royal Albert Hall is opened by Queen Victoria.
- 1879 Anglo-Zulu War: Battle of Kambula: British forces defeat 20,000 Zulus.
- 1882 The Knights of Columbus are established.
- 1886 John Pemberton brews the first batch of Coca-Cola in a backyard in Atlanta.
- 1911 The M1911 .45 ACP pistol becomes the official U.S. Army side arm.
- 1930 Heinrich Brüning is appointed German Reichskanzler.
- 1936 In Germany, Adolf Hitler receives 99% of the votes in a referendum to ratify Germany's illegal remilitarization and reoccupation of the Rhineland, receiving 44.5 million votes out of 45.5 million registered voters.
- 1941 The North American Regional Broadcasting Agreement goes into effect at 03:00 local time.
- 1941 World War II: British Royal Navy and Royal Australian Navy forces defeat those of the Italian Regia Marina off the Peloponnesian coast of Greece in the Battle of Cape Matapan.
- 1942 The Bombing of Lübeck in World War II is the first major success for the RAF Bomber Command against Germany and a German city.
- 1945 World War II: Last day of V-1 flying bomb attacks on England.
- 1945 World War II: The German 4th Army is almost destroyed by the Soviet Red Army.
- 1946 Instituto Tecnológico Autónomo de México, one of Mexico's leading universities, is founded.
- 1947 Malagasy Uprising against French colonial rule in Madagascar.
- 1951 Ethel and Julius Rosenberg are convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage.
- 1957 The New York, Ontario and Western Railway makes its final run, the first major U.S. railroad to be abandoned in its entirety.
- 1961 The Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution is ratified, allowing residents of Washington, D.C., to vote in presidential elections.
- 1962 Arturo Frondizi, the president of Argentina, is overthrown in a military coup by Argentina's armed forces, ending an 11½ day constitutional crisis.
- 1971 My Lai Massacre: Lieutenant William Calley is convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison.
- 1973 Vietnam War: The last United States combat soldiers leave South Vietnam.
- 1973 Operation Barrel Roll, a covert American bombing campaign in Laos to stop communist infiltration of South Vietnam, ends.
- 1974 NASA's Mariner 10 becomes the first space probe to fly by Mercury.
- 1982 The Canada Act 1982 receives the Royal Assent from Queen Elizabeth II, setting the stage for the Queen of Canada to proclaim the Constitution Act, 1982.
- 1984 The Baltimore Colts load its possessions onto fifteen Mayflower moving trucks in the early morning hours and transfer its operations to Indianapolis.
- 1990 The Czechoslovak parliament is unable to reach an agreement on what to call the country after the fall of Communism, sparking the so-called Hyphen War.
- 1993 Catherine Callbeck becomes premier of Prince Edward Island and the first woman to be elected in a general election as premier of a Canadian province.
- 1999 The Dow Jones Industrial Average closes above the 10,000 mark (10,006.78) for the first time, during the height of the dot-com bubble.
- 1999 A magnitude 6.8 earthquake in India strikes the Chamoli district in Uttar Pradesh, killing 103.
- 2002 In reaction to the Passover massacre two days prior, Israel launches Operation Defensive Shield against Palestinian militants, its largest military operation in the West Bank since the 1967 Six-Day War.
- 2004 Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia join NATO as full members.
- 2010 Two suicide bombers hit the Moscow Metro system at the peak of the morning rush hour, killing 40.
- 2013 At least 36 people are killed when a 16-floor building collapses in the commercial capital Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
- 2014 The first same-sex marriages in England and Wales are performed.
- 2017 The United Kingdom invokes Article 50, beginning the formal process of Brexit.
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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]
Famous Birthdays:
- 1735 Johann Karl August Musäus, German author
- 1790 John Tyler, American lawyer and politician, 10th President of the United States
- 1826 Wilhelm Liebknecht, German journalist and politician, one of the founding fathers of the SPD
- 1889 Warner Baxter, American actor
- 1895 Ernst Jünger, German philosopher and author
- 1912 Hanna Reitsch, Polish-German soldier and pilot
- 1918 Sam Walton, American businessman, founded Walmart and Sam's Club
- 1939 Terence Hill, Italian actor, director, and producer
- 1943 Vangelis, Greek keyboard player and songwriter
- 1943 John Major, English banker and politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
- 1943 Eric Idle, English actor and comedian
- 1949 Michael Brecker, American saxophonist and composer
- 1955 Brendan Gleeson, Irish actor
- 1967 Michel Hazanavicius, French director, producer, and screenwriter
- 1976 Jennifer Capriati, American tennis player
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Quote of the day
Originality is the art of concealing your source.
- Franklin P. Jones (American Journalist, 1908-1980) -
Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Kalaron, Lex Caledonia, Mercunova, Percyton
To celebrate spring break, here's both a Factbook and RP update! ( http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/57/medieval-rp-ic?page=5&scrollTo=723 )
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Lex Caledonia, Percyton
Turns out my handsome GP that I have a crush on is actually gay and is moving to Australia with his husband this year.
Damn it.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
How old are you?
Penguania And Antarctica
I think if the British public who voted Brexit break up the UK like polls are saying it might I'd never forgive them
Penguania And Antarctica
24
The UK's had a good run. Three centuries is enough.
Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
I still have about 6 years until I feel bad about being a virgin.
Penguania And Antarctica
*looks at map*
Lies.
Penguania And Antarctica
Scotland had a good run. Nine centuries is enough.
Penguania And Antarctica
Shouldn't feel bad about being a virgin, full stop.
Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica
Millenials, so melodramatic
This guy gets it
Penguania And Antarctica
I see what you did there.
Don't worry. I have a feeling most Scots don't have the stomach for independence. They're too used to the Westminster tit.
Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
The British Isles have had a good run. 2.7 billion years is enough.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Au Minbo, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
I'm just joking around.
Penguania And Antarctica
The universe has had a good run. 13.7 billion years is enough.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
The Irish would take offence to that term.
Jaslandia, Axeldonia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
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