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Vista Major wrote:I'm actually pretty close! One person with whom we share mutual interest, and a couple others because my friends like to try and set me up

Good, cause if anyone was gonna be my boo, It would be my dear Mercunova.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Mercunova, Yukona

Oelesa wrote:Yeah. Ima be around i think. Some life changes has given me more time to hang out. I dont know if I'll be trying to re join the government though. Its not like it used to be, thats for sure. But i still love this place. So yeah ima be around for a bit.

It'll be good to have you back.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Oelesa wrote:Yeah. Ima be around i think. Some life changes has given me more time to hang out. I dont know if I'll be trying to re join the government though. Its not like it used to be, thats for sure. But i still love this place. So yeah ima be around for a bit.

Too right man

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Kalaron wrote:It'll be good to have you back.

Glad i reached out. Im not gonna be going anywhere, even when I CTE. I'll still be watching. Just like I was. Peeking in and out. I just decided to say hi this time lol.

Everestopia, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Oelesa wrote:Glad i reached out. Im not gonna be going anywhere, even when I CTE. I'll still be watching. Just like I was. Peeking in and out. I just decided to say hi this time lol.

Welcome back. :D

Everestopia, Jaslandia

Gualimole wrote:Unnecessary comma is unnecessary.

It wasn't intentional, I do apologise.

Gualimole

Oelesa wrote:Im a former Chancellor, Prime Minister, Vice Chancellor, Foreign Affairs Minister, Secretary of State, Minister of Interior, Chief Justice, Speaker, and party leader.

Over the last year and a half ive served along side amazing people and made even better memories. I miss the good days when everyone you see here right now had a fire. A fire that created something amazing, maybe not unqiue but it was our hobby, and lifestyle. We made each other complete.

Welcome back old friend.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona

Yukona wrote:British people - there’s a petition to the government to demand they make a second referendum if it becomes clear Vote Leave broke the law surrounding their campaign, it’s reached 100k already but you should really give it a sign!

It dosen't change my vote. #Leave

Oelesa

Mercunova wrote:I wish Lavan would come back.

Haha! OMG, he was so amusing! XD

Oelesa, Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:It dosen't change my vote. #Leave

I know plenty of Brexiteers that have said if the campaign violated the law then as much as they bang on about democracy and will of the people it’s only fair there’s a second one that avoids these problems, especially if there’s a no-deal. If you’re confident in Brexit it won’t even change the outcome in my opinion

Oelesa

Yukona wrote:British people - there’s a petition to the government to demand they make a second referendum if it becomes clear Vote Leave broke the law surrounding their campaign, it’s reached 100k already but you should really give it a sign!

While I'm not typically prone to overshadow referendums, if a party did violate the law to get their desired outcome, it sounds only right that a second be held.

Can't sign obviously, but definitely has overseas support from me.

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Midasia

Yukona wrote:I know plenty of Brexiteers that have said if the campaign violated the law then as much as they bang on about democracy and will of the people it’s only fair there’s a second one that avoids these problems, especially if there’s a no-deal. If you’re confident in Brexit it won’t even change the outcome in my opinion

Oh no I know, all I meant was I'll still vote leave.

If it violated the law, that we should absolutely hold another.

Oelesa, Yukona

Nuremgard? Out of curiosity, do you like Irn-Bru?

Everestopia, Oelesa, Mercunova, Yukona

How are you all? :D

Midasia

Everestopia wrote:Oh no I know, all I meant was I'll still vote leave.

If it violated the law, that we should absolutely hold another.

Oh no worries, misunderstanding then! I wasn’t old enough to vote at the time but I’d hope it swing in Remains favour

Bearlong wrote:Nuremgard? Out of curiosity, do you like Irn-Bru?

I did before they replaced sugar with aspartame.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all? :D

Splendid. How are you?

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Yukona wrote:Oh no worries, misunderstanding then! I wasn’t old enough to vote at the time but I’d hope it swing in Remains favour

Aha, no problem.

Most younger people are remainers. So I did guess as much :)

Everestopia wrote:Aha, no problem.

Most younger people are remainers. So I did guess as much :)

I was literally months away from being able to vote in it, very annoying

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Everestopia wrote:I did before they replaced sugar with aspartame.

Splendid. How are you?

Tastes like absolute sh*te now, bun Jamie Oliver

Everestopia wrote:I did before they replaced sugar with aspartame.

Splendid. How are you?

I'm okay. :)

Yukona wrote:I was literally months away from being able to vote in it, very annoying

I can imagine, I recall not being able to vote in the an Election when I was younger... was disappointed as I was months out.

Yukona wrote:Tastes like absolute sh*te now, bun Jamie Oliver

Oh it really does, as does Lucozade.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'm okay. :)

Good! Glad to hear it :)

Penguania And Antarctica

https://youtu.be/iiBSKjvoGuM

Question for you all.

Why is our flag a tea pot, of all things?

Everestopia wrote:Question for you all.

Why is our flag a tea pot, of all things?

tea time.

Everestopia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

Alruniea wrote:tea time.

OMG! Of course, tea time! I remember now.

Tea time with all the old members of the CFN... what fun that was.

Vista Major, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona

Bearlong wrote:Nuremgard? Out of curiosity, do you like Irn-Bru?

Yes I do.

Everestopia wrote:I did before they replaced sugar with aspartame.

Splendid. How are you?

Yukona wrote:Tastes like absolute sh*te now, bun Jamie Oliver

I don't taste the difference. I didn't know they sold Irn-Bru in England.

Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:Yes I do.

I don't taste the difference. I didn't know they sold Irn-Bru in England.

It's sold all over the UK. I've bought it in Wales.

Barr Drinks were good until Jamie Oliver got involved with the sugar tax.

Mercunova, Yukona

Everestopia wrote:It's sold all over the UK. I've bought it in Wales.

Barr Drinks were good until Jamie Oliver got involved with the sugar tax.

I remember how amazing my high school's food was. Hot dogs, burgers, pizza, fish and chips, cola. It was brilliant. Then Oliver pushed his nose in and the government got all high and mighty and stopped the school serving all that good stuff. Fish and chips was still allowed as a small mercy.

Mercunova, Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:I remember how amazing my high school's food was. Hot dogs, burgers, pizza, fish and chips, cola. It was brilliant. Then Oliver pushed his nose in and the government got all high and mighty and stopped the school serving all that good stuff. Fish and chips was still allowed as a small mercy.

Same! What I miss most from then... Turkey Twisslers XD

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:Same! What I miss most from then... Turkey Twisslers XD

I didn't know you were a Leaver.

Nuremgard wrote:I didn't know you were a Leaver.

What has that got to do with food and Jamie Oliver? XD

Nuremgard

Everestopia wrote:What has that got to do with food and Jamie Oliver? XD

I saw your post about Brexit earlier lol

Nuremgard wrote:I saw your post about Brexit earlier lol

Oh okay! Lol

Yeah, I voted to leave the EU. Why do you ask? :)

Everestopia wrote:Oh okay! Lol

Yeah, I voted to leave the EU. Why do you ask? :)

I wasn't asking. I was just surprised is all. I voted Leave too but since then I've become a Remainer and believe firmly in the EU.

Nuremgard wrote:I wasn't asking. I was just surprised is all. I voted Leave too but since then I've become a Remainer and believe firmly in the EU.

Ah, fair enough :)

Yeah, my view on the topic won't change. I've wanted to leave long before the referendum was even a real discussion.

Everestopia wrote:Ah, fair enough :)

Yeah, my view on the topic won't change. I've wanted to leave long before the referendum was even a real discussion.

Fair enough.

Everestopia wrote:Ah, fair enough :)

Yeah, my view on the topic won't change. I've wanted to leave long before the referendum was even a real discussion.

Supranational? More like Supra-Dumb.

RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Supranational? More like Supra-Dumb.

RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Haha, what?

Mercunova

How is everyone's day going anyway?

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:How is everyone's day going anyway?

I could take it or leave it.

The EU is so undemocratic that Europeans get to vote for their MEPs every four years. Not only that, but the EU wastes so much of our money on scientific research, agricultural subsidies, and a rebate.

Okay, to be serious, while many of the criticisms of the EU are overblown, it isn't perfect. It isn't perfect when the European Parliament is the only democratically elected institution in the EU, with the rest of the EU's government being indirectly elected. (However, it is important to point out that the UK isn't exactly so great with its House of Lords.) It isn't perfect when the Euro, which is very similar to the gold standard, worsened the economic crises in countries like Greece and Italy because they lost the monetary sovereignty that they could've used to alleviate such crises.

Bearlong, Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Mercunova wrote:I could take it or leave it.

Fair enough lol.

Mercunova

Gualimole wrote:The EU is so undemocratic that Europeans get to vote for their MEPs every four years. Not only that, but the EU wastes so much of our money on scientific research, agricultural subsidies, and a rebate.

Okay, to be serious, while many of the criticisms of the EU are overblown, it isn't perfect. It isn't perfect when the European Parliament is the only democratically elected institution in the EU, with the rest of the EU's government being indirectly elected. (However, it is important to point out that the UK isn't exactly so great with its House of Lords.) It isn't perfect when the Euro, which is very similar to the gold standard, worsened the economic crises in countries like Greece and Italy because they lost the monetary sovereignty that they could've used to alleviate such crises.

The House of Lords, like that of the Senate of Canada, is just an awful means for structuring an upper chamber. If you are to have one at all.

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:The House of Lords, like that of the Senate of Canada, is just an awful means for structuring an upper chamber. If you are to have one at all.

Bicameralism was simply designed to limit the will of the people. Any modern democracy should have a unicameral legislature.

Continental Commonwealths

Gualimole wrote:The EU is so undemocratic that Europeans get to vote for their MEPs every four years. Not only that, but the EU wastes so much of our money on scientific research, agricultural subsidies, and a rebate.

Okay, to be serious, while many of the criticisms of the EU are overblown, it isn't perfect. It isn't perfect when the European Parliament is the only democratically elected institution in the EU, with the rest of the EU's government being indirectly elected. (However, it is important to point out that the UK isn't exactly so great with its House of Lords.) It isn't perfect when the Euro, which is very similar to the gold standard, worsened the economic crises in countries like Greece and Italy because they lost the monetary sovereignty that they could've used to alleviate such crises.

The Commission consists of 28 members, one from each member state. Its president is nominated by the national leaders and then elected by the European Parliament by majority vote

European Commission president – Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament.

The elected governments of the EU have a say in the Commission and President, as does the EU Parliament. I'd still say that's quite fair. There has also been calls for a directly elected EU president by some in the EU. It isn't perfect but I prefer it to the UK union.

Bearlong, Gualimole

Gualimole wrote:Bicameralism was simply designed to limit the will of the people. Any modern democracy should have a unicameral legislature.

I think a bicameral legislature is necessary in large, diverse countries to keep governments in check. But for smaller nations, unicameral legislatures makes more sense. I want Scotland to retain its unicameral structure if it becomes independent.

Mercunova

Oof. The latest photo of the Council of the Federation is a little jarring. Only one female amongst our thirteen premiers, and she will almost certainly be defeated in the election next year. May be all boys in 2019.

Mercunova

Everestopia wrote:How is everyone's day going anyway?

Pretty good, just woke up here. Put on some Evangelion music while I fill out a job application and write a new IIwiki on Kalaron's defensive ring.

(Cough)Also the EU will suck if Germany tries to use it to force an adoption of only what their MIC produces, they already fired an air marshal for speaking the truth about wanting the F-35 over the current projects they had(Cough)

Everestopia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oof. The latest photo of the Council of the Federation is a little jarring. Only one female amongst our thirteen premiers, and she will almost certainly be defeated in the election next year. May be all boys in 2019.

At least you still have a woman Prime Minister.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Oof. The latest photo of the Council of the Federation is a little jarring. Only one female amongst our thirteen premiers, and she will almost certainly be defeated in the election next year. May be all boys in 2019.

Their sex shouldn't matter. Their qualifications and character should.

Everestopia, Oelesa

Nuremgard wrote:I think a bicameral legislature is necessary in large, diverse countries to keep governments in check. But for smaller nations, unicameral legislatures makes more sense. I want Scotland to retain its unicameral structure if it becomes independent.

The best way to keep national governments in check is through legislatures on the local level, not a bicameral national legislature that constrains the will of the people.

Nuremgard wrote:The Commission consists of 28 members, one from each member state. Its president is nominated by the national leaders and then elected by the European Parliament by majority vote

European Commission president – Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament.

The elected governments of the EU have a say in the Commission and President, as does the EU Parliament. I'd still say that's quite fair. There has also been calls for a directly elected EU president by some in the EU. It isn't perfect but I prefer it to the UK union.

All fair points.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:The best way to keep national governments in check is through legislatures on the local level, not a bicameral national legislature that constrains the will of the people.

Local government here is crap though.

Nuremgard wrote:Their sex shouldn't matter. Their qualifications and character should.

Of course. But representation also matters. I want little girls to be able to see photos of powerful people and see someone like themselves there so they know that their aspirations can lead them to places such as that. Of course the most qualified person should be in any said position- I can’t imagine someone seriously arguing otherwise. But a representative democracy should be, you know, representative. Anyone who has worked in politics knows that it can still be very much an old boys club, and that severely limits the ability of those who are most qualified from rising from the top. How else do you explain Doug Ford? He doesn’t exactly reek of qualifications.

Nuremgard, Mercunova, Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:Local government here is crap though.

That's because people don't participate in local government.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Of course. But representation also matters. I want little girls to be able to see photos of powerful people and see someone like themselves there so they know that their aspirations can lead them to places such as that. Of course the most qualified person should be in any said position- I can’t imagine someone seriously arguing otherwise. But a representative democracy should be, you know, representative. Anyone who has worked in politics knows that it can still be very much an old boys club, and that severely limits the ability of those who are most qualified from rising from the top. How else do you explain Doug Ford? He doesn’t exactly reek of qualifications.

But how do we solve this issue? Having female-only lists or appointing or electing women just for being women is sexist and tokenism.

Nuremgard wrote:Yes I do.

I don't taste the difference. I didn't know they sold Irn-Bru in England.

I bought a bottle as it was the latest in the list of British things to try (after Ribena, before Nando's). It reminds me of Solo Kola Champagne from mother country, but without the flavour. I don't like it, but drinking it imbued me with a sense of Scottish nationalism despite having never been to Scotland. So there's that.

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:But how do we solve this issue? Having female-only lists or appointing or electing women just for being women is sexist and tokenism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biproportional_apportionment

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:That's because people don't participate in local government.

True. I hate the House of Lords as much as the next guy but I have to grudgingly admit, they have been pretty decent in opposing Brexit. It shows how much of a sorry state British politics is in when you need to rely on unelected spongers and inbred aristocrats to look after the national interest.

Nuremgard wrote:True. I hate the House of Lords as much as the next guy but I have to grudgingly admit, they have been pretty decent in opposing Brexit. It shows how much of a sorry state British politics is in when you need to rely on unelected spongers and inbred aristocrats to look after the national interest.

I never supported Brexit, but I wouldn't want to go against the will of the people either, and the will of the people was to leave the EU. The best and most fair way to reverse that is through a second referendum.

Bearlong wrote:I bought a bottle as it was the latest in the list of British things to try (after Ribena, before Nando's). It reminds me of Solo Kola Champagne from mother country, but without the flavour. I don't like it, but drinking it imbued me with a sense of Scottish nationalism despite having never been to Scotland. So there's that.

That's why the recipe has been changed. They've clocked on that the Irn-Bru was brainwashing Scots to be rabid William Wallaces.

Gualimole wrote:I never supported Brexit, but I wouldn't want to go against the will of the people either, and the will of the people was to leave the EU. The best and most fair way to reverse that is through a second referendum.

I'm all in favour of telling the people they're fvcking dumbasses. Like a leader should.

Nuremgard

Gualimole wrote:I never supported Brexit, but I wouldn't want to go against the will of the people either, and the will of the people was to leave the EU. The best and most fair way to reverse that is through a second referendum.

Will of the English and Welsh, not the Scots or Northern Irish.

Nuremgard wrote:But how do we solve this issue? Having female-only lists or appointing or electing women just for being women is sexist and tokenism.

No one suggested any of those. I said it’s jarring that in a representative democracy there was only one female premier out of thirteen. I’m not proposing that we usurp the democratic process to correct this issue.

I think partisan party politics and rigid party systems perpetuate the old boys club mentality, and encouraging electoral systems where a plethora of parties (or even independents) can reasonably be expected to be represented in the legislature is actually one of the best steps to take to address this issue.

Nuremgard

Bearlong wrote:I'm all in favour of telling the people they're fvcking dumbasses. Like a leader should.

I guess people voting Nazi in 1930s Germany was also the will of the people and should never have been questioned because the majority is ALWAYS right.

Nuremgard wrote:Will of the English and Welsh, not the Scots or Northern Irish.

The country, as a whole, voted to leave, so the entire country leaves. In the EU, legislation might be passed by certain countries but not certain other countries, and there really isn't a problem with that. You sure as hell haven't complained about it.

Gualimole wrote:The country, as a whole, voted to leave, so the entire country leaves. In the EU, legislation might be passed by certain countries but not certain other countries, and there really isn't a problem with that. You sure as hell haven't complained about it.

The EU is a union of equal, sovereign nations. The UK is a domineering union were the Celtic fringe does as it's told by England.

Nuremgard wrote:I guess people voting Nazi in 1930s Germany was also the will of the people and should never have been questioned because the majority is ALWAYS right.

The Nazis didn't exactly come into power democratically. They used intimidation on the streets and in the legislature and only won a plurality of the seats in the Reichstag.

Nuremgard wrote:The EU is a union of equal, sovereign nations. The UK is a domineering union were the Celtic fringe does as it's told by England.

I don't see how that played into the Brexit referendum.

Gualimole wrote:The Nazis didn't exactly come into power democratically. They used intimidation on the streets and in the legislature and only won a plurality of the seats in the Reichstag.

They still won the largest share of the vote did they not?

Gualimole wrote:I don't see how that played into the Brexit referendum.

The UK will leave, that is certain. However, Scots voted in 2014 to remain part of a UK in the EU. Keeping EU membership was a core argument of the No campaign. Scots should be given another say on their constitutional future. Moreover, the SNP were elected on a manifesto of bringing forward another indyref in the event of a material change in circumstances, such as leaving the EU.

Continental Commonwealths You are the most avoided nation in the region, lol.

Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:They still won the largest share of the vote did they not?

But they never won a majority of the vote. Brexit was approved with 52 percent of the vote, while the Nazis won around 45 percent of the vote in the 1933 Reichstag election. Also, Godwin's Law.

Nuremgard wrote:The UK will leave, that is certain. However, Scots voted in 2014 to remain part of a UK in the EU. Keeping EU membership was a core argument of the No campaign. Scots should be given another say on their constitutional future. Moreover, the SNP were elected on a manifesto of bringing forward another indyref in the event of a material change in circumstances, such as leaving the EU.

Fair point.

Gualimole wrote:But they never won a majority of the vote. Brexit was approved with 52 percent of the vote, while the Nazis won around 45 percent of the vote in the 1933 Reichstag election. Also, Godwin's Law.

Fair point.

52% of the electorate voted to Leave, not 52% of the country. There's a difference.

Nuremgard wrote:52% of the electorate voted to Leave, not 52% of the country. There's a difference.

52% of the electorate is what matters in these things, Nurem.

Gualimole

Nuremgard wrote:52% of the electorate voted to Leave, not 52% of the country. There's a difference.

That's true for both situations.

Mercunova wrote:52% of the electorate is what matters in these things, Nurem.

True.

Nuremgard wrote:Continental Commonwealths You are the most avoided nation in the region, lol.

When fiction meets reality 😭

Nuremgard, Vista Major, Mercunova

Continental Commonwealths wrote:When fiction meets reality 😭

Aww *hugs*

Unrelated side note: I don't like how narrow the custom banners are. It makes it hard finding a picture that fits.

Gualimole wrote:That's true for both situations.

If Scotland does vote No again, I think I will actually cry.

Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:If Scotland does vote No again, I think I will actually cry.

I'll cry if you leave, so one of us will be a crutch either way

Nuremgard, Mercunova

Nuremgard wrote:If Scotland does vote No again, I think I will actually cry.

There probably won't be a second referendum. May has gone forth with a soft Brexit. If there was a hard Brexit, Scotland likely would've become independent. However, since the UK has gone forth with a soft Brexit, independence is unlikely.

Yukona wrote:I'll cry if you leave, so one of us will be a crutch either way

Both of us should buy a bottle of booze so that whatever outcome happens, we can console each other. My poison is Southern Comfort fyi.

Gualimole wrote:There probably won't be a second referendum. May has gone forth with a soft Brexit. If there was a hard Brexit, Scotland likely would've become independent. However, since the UK has gone forth with a soft Brexit, independence is unlikely.

Scotland is still being taken out of the EU against its will which was one of the reasons put forward in the SNP manifesto for a second indyref. If May tries to deny us, she'll just look like a tyrannical old bitch.

Yukona

Nuremgard wrote:Scotland is still being taken out of the EU against its will which was one of the reasons put forward in the SNP manifesto for a second indyref. If May tries to deny us, she'll just look like a tyrannical old bitch.

Wasn't the independence referendum supposed to be the referendum of a generation? If so, then a second referendum isn't going to come forth until the 2030s. By then, a lot of the enthusiasm for independence will likely be gone.

Gualimole wrote:Wasn't the independence referendum supposed to be the referendum of a generation? If so, then a second referendum isn't going to come forth until the 2030s. By then, a lot of the enthusiasm for independence will likely be gone.

The "once in a generation" thing was a comment made by Alex Salmond in his resignation speech. His personal opinion, not some binding contract written in blood.

Nuremgard wrote:Scotland is still being taken out of the EU against its will

Scotland voted to remain in the UK.

The UK voted to leave the EU.

Doesn't seem very against its will to me. Should have left the UK when you first had the chance.

Nuremgard wrote:The "once in a generation" thing was a comment made by Alex Salmond in his resignation speech. His personal opinion, not some binding contract written in blood.

What about the point regarding Scottish independence and Scotland's membership in the EU? Was that written into a binding contract, or was it just rhetoric?

Gualimole wrote:Wasn't the independence referendum supposed to be the referendum of a generation? If so, then a second referendum isn't going to come forth until the 2030s. By then, a lot of the enthusiasm for independence will likely be gone.

I also don't agree the enthusiasm will be gone. The younger generation are more pro-indy than the older ones. The genie is out of the bottle. Scottish nationalism is not going away.

Mercunova wrote:Scotland voted to remain in the UK.

The UK voted to leave the EU.

Doesn't seem very against its will to me. Should have left the UK when you first had the chance.

Again, Scots voted to remain part of the UK which was in the EU. Circumstances have changed. Or are you against democracy? Should we just do as we're told and stay in the UK for all eternity since that No vote was binding forever? No, that isn't how democracy works.

Gualimole wrote:What about the point regarding Scottish independence and Scotland's membership in the EU? Was that written into a binding contract, or was it just rhetoric?

What do you mean?

Nuremgard wrote:I also don't agree the enthusiasm will be gone. The younger generation are more pro-indy than the older ones. The genie is out of the bottle. Scottish nationalism is not going away.

Again, Scots voted to remain part of the UK which was in the EU. Circumstances have changed. Or are you against democracy? Should we just do as we're told and stay in the UK for all eternity since that No vote was binding forever? No, that isn't how democracy works.

Not saying there shouldn't be another ref, but if you voted to remain in the UK it should have been expected that things could possibly change.

Mercunova wrote:Not saying there shouldn't be another ref, but if you voted to remain in the UK it should have been expected that things could possibly change.

"The UK might vote to leave the EU, therefore if we want the best chance of remaining in it we should vote to leave the UK."

Nuremgard wrote:Both of us should buy a bottle of booze so that whatever outcome happens, we can console each other. My poison is Southern Comfort fyi.

Scotland is still being taken out of the EU against its will which was one of the reasons put forward in the SNP manifesto for a second indyref. If May tries to deny us, she'll just look like a tyrannical old bitch.

PIYNT O' THATCHURS PLEASE MOY LUVER

Nuremgard

Nuremgard wrote:What do you mean?

Nuremgard wrote:The UK will leave, that is certain. However, Scots voted in 2014 to remain part of a UK in the EU. Keeping EU membership was a core argument of the No campaign. Scots should be given another say on their constitutional future. Moreover, the SNP were elected on a manifesto of bringing forward another indyref in the event of a material change in circumstances, such as leaving the EU.

Mercunova wrote:Not saying there shouldn't be another ref, but if you voted to remain in the UK it should have been expected that things could possibly change.

Well as I said, the SNP was elected on a manifesto of bringing forward another indyref in the event of change like leaving the EU. That's democracy. If Scots did not want another indyref, they shouldn't have voted for the SNP.

Mercunova wrote:Not saying there shouldn't be another ref, but if you voted to remain in the UK it should have been expected that things could possibly change.

To be fair, it was during the 2015 election that the Tories promised a Brexit referendum. The independence referendum was held in 2014.

How has everyone's summer been?

Gualimole wrote:

Are you trying to compare an off the cuff comment made by a politician to a manifesto pledge?

Midasia wrote:How has everyone's summer been?

Better, because all of the people from the Commonwealth days are coming back.

Everestopia, Vista Major, Midasia

Gualimole wrote:To be fair, it was during the 2015 election that the Tories promised a Brexit referendum. The independence referendum was held in 2014.

They didn't just pull that out of thin air.

Nuremgard wrote:Are you trying to compare an off the cuff comment made by a politician to a manifesto pledge?

No, I am talking about the No campaign part.

Gualimole wrote:Better, because all of the people from the Commonwealth days are coming back.

I wasn't in the Commonwealth for long, but I do miss some of the veterans of that region.

Vista Major

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