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Baxten wrote:Not at all. Now, we could have fantasy tech RPs or older tech RPs, maybe even some Steampunk or something else like that. However, I have to agree with what Yuk said; it doesn't really fit well. But you can make your own RP with those aspects. I've thought about adopting a more PMT style play (with Metal Gear type stuff like super soldiers, mechs, minimal cybernetic soldiers). However, I'd have to put that up to a vote, and from previous votes on things like this, I'd assume we'd be sticking to MT

Regarding the PMT style, what's your opinion on ability enhancing exoskeletons capable of predicting a user's movements via direct link to the user's central nervous system?

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:Regarding the PMT style, what's your opinion on ability enhancing exoskeletons capable of predicting a user's movements via direct link to the user's central nervous system?

I wouldn't call that slight PMT, and I only said we may do that

Don't get your hopes up

Fundingsland

Baxten wrote:I wouldn't call that slight PMT, and I only said we may do that

Don't get your hopes up

I know, just asking. :)

is anyone here a redditor?

Fundingsland

Hello. Have a nice day.

[spoiler=Today is March 13 and today are:]

Today is March 13 and today are:

- Adelaide Cup (South Australia)

- Anniversary of the election of Pope Francis (Vatican City)

- Canberra Day (Australian Capital Territory)

- Commonwealth Day (Canada, Gibraltar, Tuvalu)

- Dolyatra (India)

- Fill Our Staplers Day

- Holi (Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Pakistan, Sri Lanka)

- IUGR Awareness Day

- Kasuga Matsuri (Kasuga Grand Shrine, Nara, Japan)

- Ken Day

- Labour Day (Tasmania and Victoria, Australia)

- L. Ron Hubbard Day (Scientology)

- National Coconut Torte Day (United States)

- National Earmuff Day (United States)

- National Elephant Day (Thailand)

- National Good Samaritan Day (United States)

- National Jewel Day (United States)

- National K9 Veterans Day (United States)

- National Open an Umbrella Indoors Day (United States)

- National Napping Day (United States)

- Shushan Purim (Israel)

- Smart & Sexy Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 624 – Battle of Badr: a key battle between Muhammad's army – the new followers of Islam and the Quraysh of Mecca. The Muslims won this battle, known as the turning point of Islam, which took place in the Hejaz region of western Arabia.

- 874 – The bones of Saint Nicephorus are interred in the Church of the Holy Apostles, Constantinople.

- 1138 – Cardinal Gregorio Conti is elected Antipope as Victor IV, succeeding Anacletus II.

- 1567 – The Battle of Oosterweel north of Antwerp, traditionally seen as the beginning[1] of the Eighty Years' War.

- 1591 – Battle of Tondibi: In Mali, Moroccan forces of the Saadi dynasty led by Judar Pasha defeat the Songhai Empire, despite being outnumbered by at least five to one.

- 1639 – Harvard College is named after clergyman John Harvard.

- 1697 – Nojpetén, capital of the last independent Maya kingdom, fell to Spanish conquistadors, the final step in the Spanish conquest of Guatemala.

- 1781 – William Herschel discovers Uranus.

- 1809 – Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden is deposed in a coup d'état.

- 1845 – Felix Mendelssohn's Violin Concerto receives its première performance in Leipzig with Ferdinand David as soloist.

- 1862 – American Civil War: The U.S. federal government forbids all Union army officers from returning fugitive slaves, thus effectively annulling the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 and setting the stage for the Emancipation Proclamation.

- 1865 – American Civil War: The Confederate States of America agree to the use of African-American troops.

- 1881 – Alexander II of Russia is killed near his palace when a bomb is thrown at him. (Gregorian date: it was March 1 in the Julian calendar then in use in Russia.)

- 1884 – The Siege of Khartoum, Sudan begins, ending on January 26, 1885.

- 1897 – San Diego State University is founded.

- 1900 – Second Boer War: British forces occupy Bloemfontein, Orange Free State.

- 1920 – The Kapp Putsch briefly ousts the Weimar Republic government from Berlin.

- 1921 – Mongolia is proclaimed an independent monarchy, ruled by Russian military officer Roman von Ungern-Sternberg as a dictator.

- 1930 – The news of the discovery of Pluto is telegraphed to the Harvard College Observatory.

- 1933 – Great Depression: Banks in the U.S. begin to re-open after President Franklin D. Roosevelt mandates a "bank holiday".

- 1940 – The Russo-Finnish Winter War ends.

- 1943 – The Holocaust: German forces liquidate the Jewish ghetto in Kraków.

- 1954 – First Indochina War: Viet Minh forces under Võ Nguyên Giáp unleashed a massive artillery barrage on the French to begin the Battle of Điện Biên Phủ, the climactic battle in the First Indochina War.

- 1957 – Cuban student revolutionaries storm the presidential palace in Havana in a failed attempt on the life of President Fulgencio Batista.

- 1962 – Lyman Lemnitzer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, delivers a proposal, called Operation Northwoods, regarding performing terrorist attacks upon Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara. The proposal is scrapped and President John F. Kennedy removes Lemnitzer from his position.

- 1969 – Apollo program: Apollo 9 returns safely to Earth after testing the Lunar Module.

- 1979 – The New Jewel Movement, headed by Maurice Bishop, ousts Prime Minister Eric Gairy in a nearly bloodless coup d'état in Grenada.

- 1985 – The Kenilworth Road riot takes place at an association football match at Kenilworth Road in Luton, England with disturbances before, during and after an FA Cup 6th Round tie between Luton Town F.C. and Millwall F.C..

- 1988 – The Seikan Tunnel, the longest undersea tunnel in the world, opens between Aomori and Hakodate, Japan.

- 1991 – The United States Department of Justice announces that Exxon has agreed to pay $1 billion for the clean-up of the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska.

- 1992 – The Mw 6.7 Erzincan earthquake strikes eastern Turkey with a maximum Mercalli intensity of VIII (Severe). At least 498 were killed in this strike-slip event on the North Anatolian Fault.

- 1996 – Dunblane school massacre: in Dunblane, Scotland, 16 primary school children and one teacher are shot dead by spree killer Thomas Watt Hamilton who then committed suicide.

- 1997 – India's Missionaries of Charity chooses Sister Nirmala to succeed Mother Teresa as its leader.

- 1997 – The Phoenix Lights are seen over Phoenix, Arizona by hundreds of people, and by millions on television.

- 2003 – The journal Nature reports that 350,000-year-old footprints have been found in Italy.

- 2008 – Gold prices on the New York Mercantile Exchange hit $1,000 per ounce for the first time.

- 2012 – At least 28 people are killed in a bus crash in a motorway tunnel near the town of Sierre in the Swiss canton of Valais.

- 2013 – Pope Francis is elected, in the papal conclave, as the 266th Pope of the Catholic Church.

- 2016 – An explosion occurs in central Ankara, Turkey, with at least 37 people killed and 127 wounded.

- 2016 – Three gunmen attack two hotels in the Ivory Coast town of Grand-Bassam, killing at least 18 people and injuring 33 others.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1615 – Pope Innocent XII

- 1733 – Joseph Priestley, English chemist, minister, philosopher

- 1741 – Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor

- 1764 – Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey, English politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, namesake of the famous tea

- 1900 – Giorgos Seferis, Greek poet and diplomat, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1911 – L. Ron Hubbard, American religious leader and author, founded the Church of Scientology

- 1939 – Neil Sedaka, American singer-songwriter and pianist

- 1942 – Scatman John, American singer-songwriter and pianist

- 1989 – Holger Badstuber, German footballer

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Quote of the day

There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory.

- Josh Billings -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Fundingsland

Khitoum wrote:is anyone here a redditor?

Yeah fam

Fundingsland, Khitoum

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote: -snip-

lol idc what your nation type is or what your lore is and theres nothing to "deal with."

im just telling u "the republic of the republic of" looks amateurish and uncreative. and when u tease others for their linguistic decisions it makes you look like a hypocrite, even if you are kidding.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:

And also "The Sovereign and Senate of the Royal Republic of Kumania" sounds just as odd and out of place as "The Royal Republic of the Royal Republic of Kumania". This is a nation, not a position (or positions) within a nation. No one calls the USA "The President and Congress of the United States of America" or the UK "The Queen and Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" when referencing the countries.

You are not quite correct. "The Queen and Parliament" (also Queen-in-Council) is a fairly common term in certain areas.

furthermore the senate and people of rome (spqr) is a very old expression and many nations have used a derivative of it for themselves.

but whatever. my point is am just making a suggestion. dont be so cranky and verbose.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Fundingsland

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1764 – Charles Grey, 2nd Earl Grey, English politician, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, namesake of the famous tea

Well, now I know what's going to be our drink for Tea Time today.

Ythereum, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:Well, now I know what's going to be our drink for Tea Time today.

But it tastes like soap! PG Tips all the way!

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Khitoum wrote:is anyone here a redditor?

i am but not really comfortable sharing my username

Khitoum

Yukona wrote:But it tastes like soap! PG Tips all the way!

Another day perhaps. I feel obligated to provide Earl Grey tea today at least.

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

[B]REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY

Day 16:[/B] Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiGbolFFGw)

Thank you for reading, papa bless

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia, Fundingsland

Fundingsland wrote:i am but not really comfortable sharing my username

No worries; I was just asking generally. Just curious.

Yukona wrote:Yeah fam

Username checks out

Ythereum, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Fundingsland

Aghrabia wrote:[B]REGIONAL SONG OF THE DAY

Day 16:[/B] Radiohead - "Paranoid Android" (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHiGbolFFGw)

Thank you for reading, papa bless

Excellent choice, such a great song

Ythereum, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Magnatronia, Khitoum

Heyo, how you doing fellas?

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Khitoum

Latrovia wrote:Heyo, how you doing fellas?

Hello, Lat! I'm good. How are you?

Ythereum, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Khitoum

Latrovia wrote:Heyo, how you doing fellas?

Excellent thanks!

Ythereum, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Latrovia wrote:Heyo, how you doing fellas?

Hey dude. check the forums. the vet hospital.

cool to see someone else who is into that

Penguania And Antarctica

Khitoum wrote:

Username checks out

?

Jaslandia wrote:Hello, Lat! I'm good. How are you?

I am fine, although a bit worried since my mom has shown some weird Heart Difficulties. I just hope that everything goes alright. So far as my medicinal knowledge goes this seems as normal judging her age and all.

Khitoum wrote:Excellent thanks!

Glad to see that you're doing fine. :)

Sweedish wrote:Hey dude. check the forums. the vet hospital.

cool to see someone else who is into that

Hello, I saw that and I was happy to see another Vet Student I guess, around here. The Hospital's administration has accepted your application as a Practitioner Student. Please I would strongly suggest that you change your name to your nation's name, so people can find you quickly :)

Ythereum, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Khitoum

Latrovia wrote:I am fine, although a bit worried since my mom has shown some weird Heart Difficulties. I just hope that everything goes alright. So far as my medicinal knowledge goes this seems as normal judging her age and all.

Glad to see that you're doing fine. :)

Hello, I saw that and I was happy to see another Vet Student I guess, around here. The Hospital's administration has accepted your application as a Practitioner Student. Please I would strongly suggest that you change your name to your nation's name, so people can find you quickly :)

Nice! So you all have two vets here now guys. that'll be awesome for role play too

Ythereum, Latrovia, Andromitus, Fundingsland, Mononoke San, Khitoum

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Ythereum, Mononoke San

Ythereum wrote:?

Its a thing people on reddit say

Sweedish wrote:Hey dude. check the forums. the vet hospital.

cool to see someone else who is into that

congratulations!

Ythereum, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

[nation=short]ythereum[/nation],

Greetings, I am Latrovia your mentor. Feel free to contact me at any time in case you have any questions :)

Ythereum, Mononoke San

The Latrovian Gov is proud to have a new country joining the United Kingdom! [nation=short]Sweedish[/nation] :)

Andromitus, Percyton, Mononoke San

Latrovia wrote:The Latrovian Gov is proud to have a new country joining the United Kingdom! [nation=short]Sweedish[/nation] :)

Yay <3

Latrovia wrote:The Latrovian Gov is proud to have a new country joining the United Kingdom! [nation=short]Sweedish[/nation] :)

Mononoke San wrote:Yay <3

Welcome into the United Kingdom! :)

Andromitus, Percyton

Mononoke San wrote:Yay <3

Iloiada wrote:Welcome into the United Kingdom! :)

Too many blue flags! :D

Jaslandia, Yukona

Latrovia wrote:Too many blue flags! :D

What the heck is with all of the blue flags!?

Jaslandia, Yukona

The Cross And Davids Star wrote:What the heck is with all of the blue flags!?

All Commonwealths of the UKL in one place :P

[nation=short]Latrovia[/nation]

Are you and your fellows still independent nations that are part of an alliance or one super-nation? Or is this a federal structured nation ?

Furthermore I have to ask if all players control their nation on their own or if only you control them ?

Because I am a bit concerned regarding voting when you all are basically acting as one entity. Therefore I wish clarification.

Thanks in advance.

-Peng-

Minister of Inerior

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Yukona

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:[nation=short]Latrovia[/nation]

Are you and your fellows still independent nations that are part of an alliance or one super-nation? Or is this a federal structured nation ?

Furthermore I have to ask if all players control their nation on their own or if only you control them ?

Because I am a bit concerned regarding voting when you all are basically acting as one entity. Therefore I wish clarification.

Thanks in advance.

-Peng-

Minister of *Interior*

Dear Peng, regarding the role-playing part the UK is a one super-nation according to your terms. We are similar to today's UK, but each nation has its own representatives in the main parliament as they have their own national parliaments to run their own interior issues that may arise. The UK is acting as a single nation regarding external policies.

All players have access to their accounts and vote according to their wishes on regional matters, like the elections etc.

Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:Dear Peng, regarding the role-playing part the UK is a one super-nation according to your terms. We are similar to today's UK, but each nation has its own representatives in the main parliament as they have their own national parliaments to run their own interior issues that may arise. The UK is acting as a single nation regarding external policies.

All players have access to their accounts and vote according to their wishes on regional matters, like the elections etc.

I find the implications of this worrying for our voting system. I don't mean to doubt Lat, but multiple new players come in, in a short space of time, join this federation and can now swing the vote one way or another. I sincerely hope that they're not puppets, not that for one minute I am suggesting they are.

Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:Dear Peng, regarding the role-playing part the UK is a one super-nation according to your terms. We are similar to today's UK, but each nation has its own representatives in the main parliament as they have their own national parliaments to run their own interior issues that may arise. The UK is acting as a single nation regarding external policies.

All players have access to their accounts and vote according to their wishes on regional matters, like the elections etc.

Thanks for the information. :)

Yukona

Yukona wrote:I find the implications of this worrying for our voting system. I don't mean to doubt Lat, but multiple new players come in, in a short space of time, join this federation and can now swing the vote one way or another. I sincerely hope that they're not puppets, not that for one minute I am suggesting they are.

Iloiada is my lil brother, Mononoke San has been around for quite some time and Daniel is a new vet from Russia.

I highly understand your worries, but worry not. Our unity goes only to actual RP'es. They are citizens of this region as all of us. Actually if you guys wanna join the UK as well, you are free to do so :P

Yukona

Latrovia wrote:Iloiada is my lil brother, Mononoke San has been around for quite some time and Daniel is a new vet from Russia.

I highly understand your worries, but worry not. Our unity goes only to actual RP'es. They are citizens of this region as all of us. Actually if you guys wanna join the UK as well, you are free to do so :P

His name is Damien. smh

Latrovia, Aghrabia, Mononoke San

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:His name is Damien. smh

Hehe my mistake. Apologies :P

Yukona wrote:I find the implications of this worrying for our voting system. I don't mean to doubt Lat, but multiple new players come in, in a short space of time, join this federation and can now swing the vote one way or another. I sincerely hope that they're not puppets, not that for one minute I am suggesting they are.

Assuming that Peng follows the WA rule, their should be little room for error for puppetry. The only exception he made was for Iloiada (As far as I know), which I have already brought up to Peng and even though I don't agree with it, Peng granted citizenship and so we'll go from there.

Granted in the RP realm may be a bit worrying for some, what with that UK growing, the regional matters should remain relatively stable with the above statement.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

Sulania wrote:[B]their[/B] should be little room for error for puppetry.

God I hate the English language, and my mind's blurbs when typing.

*There

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:The Latrovian Gov is proud to have a new country joining the United Kingdom! [nation=short]Sweedish[/nation] :)

Jeez, it's like you and Baxten are having a territorial arms race in Europe XD; and Hey, any nation who wishes to join the rising Ædenist Collective feel free to contact me; although I do agree with Yukona in that alliances like these can swing elections if they exit the RP world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, or making claims or all that nonsense, I'm just voicing a minor concern :P

Yukona, Magnatronia

Sulania wrote:Assuming that Peng follows the WA rule, their should be little room for error for puppetry. The only exception he made was for Iloiada (As far as I know), which I have already brought up to Peng and even though I don't agree with it, Peng granted citizenship and so we'll go from there.

Granted in the RP realm may be a bit worrying for some, what with that UK growing, the regional matters should remain relatively stable with the above statement.

I'll go through the citizenship roster tomorrow contacting everyone who doesn't fulfill the requirements for citizenship anymore. If they don't comply to fulfill the requirements I will automatically downgrade them to residents.

Jaslandia, Percyton

Sulania wrote:Assuming that Peng follows the WA rule, their should be little room for error for puppetry. The only exception he made was for Iloiada (As far as I know), which I have already brought up to Peng and even though I don't agree with it, Peng granted citizenship and so we'll go from there.

Granted in the RP realm may be a bit worrying for some, what with that UK growing, the regional matters should remain relatively stable with the above statement.

Oh, and I very much check the WA status of every applicant. :)

Jaslandia, Percyton

Andromitus wrote:Jeez, it's like you and Baxten are having a territorial arms race in Europe XD; and Hey, any nation who wishes to join the rising Ædenist Collective feel free to contact me; although I do agree with Yukona in that alliances like these can swing elections if they exit the RP world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, or making claims or all that nonsense, I'm just voicing a minor concern :P

No! There's no way that the UK is racing against the Reich. We consider them as close partners regarding global issues that we all face. Also we need new roleplays.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:[nation=short]Latrovia[/nation]

Are you and your fellows still independent nations that are part of an alliance or one super-nation? Or is this a federal structured nation ?

Furthermore I have to ask if all players control their nation on their own or if only you control them ?

Because I am a bit concerned regarding voting when you all are basically acting as one entity. Therefore I wish clarification.

Thanks in advance.

-Peng-

Minister of Inerior

If it turns out he controls all the nation (which I don't think he does), I'll have to revoke his map spots. His UK has claimed 3 areas on the map so far.

Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Sulania wrote:Assuming that Peng follows the WA rule, their should be little room for error for puppetry. The only exception he made was for Iloiada (As far as I know), which I have already brought up to Peng and even though I don't agree with it, Peng granted citizenship and so we'll go from there.

Granted in the RP realm may be a bit worrying for some, what with that UK growing, the regional matters should remain relatively stable with the above statement.

Exceptions should be made in my opinion as long as there is nothing wrong with them being made.

As for the WA status needed in order to become a citizen this is also kinda wrong. We could have implemented an IP trace through our forums to check for the validity of applicants, or we could have set a period of time for people to become citizens.. Like stay in the COFN for a week or two and then become a citizen.

Of course there is place for people to over pass all of these, but well, this is life :P

Andromitus wrote:Jeez, it's like you and Baxten are having a territorial arms race in Europe XD; and Hey, any nation who wishes to join the rising Ædenist Collective feel free to contact me; although I do agree with Yukona in that alliances like these can swing elections if they exit the RP world. I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed, or making claims or all that nonsense, I'm just voicing a minor concern :P

Baxten/Oel*

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:Baxten/Oel*

What about starting negotiations with the UK already? We are your partners in the south.

Latrovia wrote:What about starting negotiations with the UK already? We are your partners in the south.

I thought I said we voted "aye" on diplomacy.

Actually, maybe I didn't. My bad

Baxten wrote:I thought I said we voted "aye" on diplomacy.

Actually, maybe I didn't. My bad

The UK was not informed on a matter of this. So where are we gonna have these talks, forums or Discord?

[B]News:[/B] William Regaby, 4th Viscount of Harwick, has officially been confirmed by the Percytonian Parliament as the first Ambassador to the Kaiserreich. Regaby is succeeding former Ambassador to Baxten Arthur the Big Tank Engine.

In addition, Ambassador Regaby has announced that Percyton's embassies in the Kaiserreich member states of Oelesa, Sulania, and Einsiev will be downgraded to consulates, in order to concentrate more resources on the main Kaiserreich embassy in Amsterdam. Any Kaiserreich member wishing to keep their embassy must make a formal request to the Foreign Ministry of Percyton.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:The UK was not informed on a matter of this. So where are we gonna have these talks, forums or Discord?

I was thinking TG chain, but forums could work too. I can't get on Discord very often.

Oelesa, Penguania And Antarctica

Latrovia wrote:Exceptions should be made in my opinion as long as there is nothing wrong with them being made.

As for the WA status needed in order to become a citizen this is also kinda wrong. We could have implemented an IP trace through our forums to check for the validity of applicants, or we could have set a period of time for people to become citizens.. Like stay in the COFN for a week or two and then become a citizen.

Of course there is place for people to over pass all of these, but well, this is life :P

My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

Baxten wrote:I was thinking TG chain, but forums could work too. I can't get on Discord very often.

Hmm how many nation can there be on a TG chain? because we are too many I think? Like 4 from UK and 4 or 5 from the Reich.

Outer Oz wrote:My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

I agree with you, that is why I had suggested an IP trace from our websites and having all citizenship applications run through there. This archaic policy has been running for ages around here and it has been really hard making any progress without having to change the overall mentality. Of course even IP traces mean that we will be able to dig into the privacy of the users IP's but at least there will be extreme respect on it by keeping everyone's privacy safe.

Outer Oz

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:I'll go through the citizenship roster tomorrow contacting everyone who doesn't fulfill the requirements for citizenship anymore. If they don't comply to fulfill the requirements I will automatically downgrade them to residents.

TY.

Latrovia wrote:I agree with you, that is why I had suggested an IP trace from our websites and having all citizenship applications run through there. This archaic policy has been running for ages around here and it has been really hard making any progress without having to change the overall mentality. Of course even IP traces mean that we will be able to dig into the privacy of the users IP's but at least there will be extreme respect on it by keeping everyone's privacy safe.

That is a good idea.

Latrovia

Outer Oz wrote:That is a good idea.

Well at least it's a place to start from. :)

Outer Oz

Latrovia wrote:Hmm how many nation can there be on a TG chain? because we are too many I think? Like 4 from UK and 4 or 5 from the Reich.

4 and 4, making 8

I think that's 1 too many

Andromitus wrote:snip

Also [nation=short]Sweedish[/nation] is writing a great article regarding the H5N8 virus on the COFN. So I guess you and [nation=short]Oelesa[/nation] would like to have a look on it :)

Jaslandia, Andromitus, Oelesa

Outer Oz wrote:My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

You could also use more than one device. Say a computer for one account and a phone for another.

Latrovia wrote:Exceptions should be made in my opinion as long as there is nothing wrong with them being made.

As for the WA status needed in order to become a citizen this is also kinda wrong. We could have implemented an IP trace through our forums to check for the validity of applicants, or we could have set a period of time for people to become citizens.. Like stay in the COFN for a week or two and then become a citizen.

Of course there is place for people to over pass all of these, but well, this is life :P

Exceptions should be made seldomly when, and if, they pop up and granted proper circumstances.

WA Status remains one of the best indicators because not only does it check IP, it also checks other algorithms in order to detect something such as one person using multiple accounts. It's better than an IP trace, and having nations stay in the region for a week or two doesn't prove anything of their actual individuality versus them being a puppet.

To bypass WA, you have to for one software that can mask your IP and be intricate enough to show a different route for one on multiple accounts, then you have to have something to mask login activity so the algorithm doesn't pick up you're using the same device in succession of another. While WA may not be a perfect solution, it's better than the IP trace and it's far superior than a waiting period that doesn't prove anything other than someone's patience.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica

Baxten wrote:4 and 4, making 8

I think that's 1 too many

I think its up to 8 people. Well in that case, I believe that you can keep out of the chain Iloiada. Since he is my lil brother I will keep him updated about the conversation.

Oelesa

Latrovia wrote:I agree with you, that is why I had suggested an IP trace from our websites and having all citizenship applications run through there. This archaic policy has been running for ages around here and it has been really hard making any progress without having to change the overall mentality. Of course even IP traces mean that we will be able to dig into the privacy of the users IP's but at least there will be extreme respect on it by keeping everyone's privacy safe.

Well, according to the Mods, they have more than one way to determine if two WA members are actually the same person, so I can't really agree to that.

The WA rule is beyond fine as far as I can tell, we simply must trust the mods.

Sulania wrote:-snip-

Outer Oz wrote:My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

Outer Oz wrote:My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

I get what you're saying, but I'll be honest, I don't think we should be THAT concerned in verifying citizenship status. An IP-check like Lat suggested seems a bit too invasive, and I'm worried that people will be less interested in becoming citizens if it means they have to go to a whole different website first. I can't imagine people going to the trouble of using proxy browsers and such just for a somewhat-obscure region on a somewhat-obscure nation simulator website.

Aghrabia, Oelesa, Kalaron, Penguania And Antarctica

Outer Oz wrote:My two cents:

A WA membership requirement is archaic. Anyone could use proxy browsers to make as many WA nations as they wanted, all on the same computer.

Good to know *laughs maniacally*

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Oelesa

Sulania wrote:Exceptions should be made seldomly when, and if, they pop up and granted proper circumstances.

WA Status remains one of the best indicators because not only does it check IP, it also checks other algorithms in order to detect something such as one person using multiple accounts. It's better than an IP trace, and having nations stay in the region for a week or two doesn't prove anything of their actual individuality versus them being a puppet.

To bypass WA, you have to for one software that can mask your IP and be intricate enough to show a different route for one on multiple accounts, then you have to have something to mask login activity so the algorithm doesn't pick up you're using the same device in succession of another. While WA may not be a perfect solution, it's better than the IP trace and it's far superior than a waiting period that doesn't prove anything other than someone's patience.

I've read the same claims about the intricacy of the WA-scanning software. I don't believe it. There's only so much information a website can get from a visitor's computer, and most of that can be spoofed with sites like [redacted].

TLDR you don't need special software or skills to trick the system. There are sites that do all the work for you.

Latrovia, Aghrabia, Oelesa

Latrovia wrote:

Again, the WA System on NS relies on more than just IP. It takes more than just using multiple proxy browsers to bypass that system, and continue to use the nations regularly.

Jaslandia, Latrovia, Kalaron

Heyyy before we get into a full scale of convo regarding the WA policy which we have done over million of times.

I am making it public that The Song CONTEST is actually a thing now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFuCYNx-1g

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

Jaslandia wrote:I get what you're saying, but I'll be honest, I don't think we should be THAT concerned in verifying citizenship status. An IP-check like Lat suggested seems a bit too invasive, and I'm worried that people will be less interested in becoming citizens if it means they have to go to a whole different website first. I can't imagine people going to the trouble of using proxy browsers and such just for a somewhat-obscure region on a somewhat-obscure nation simulator website.

I think you are dramatically underestimating the obsessiveness of the people who frequent this site.

Sulania wrote:Again, the WA System on NS relies on more than just IP. It takes more than just using multiple proxy browsers to bypass that system, and continue to use the nations regularly.

That's what they SAY. And its what I would say too, if I were in their shoes.

Outer Oz wrote:I've read the same claims about the intricacy of the WA-scanning software. I don't believe it. There's only so much information a website can get from a visitor's computer, and most of that can be spoofed with sites like [redacted].

TLDR you don't need special software or skills to trick the system. There are sites that do all the work for you.

"I only have one WA nation but my brother has one and he sometimes uses this computer.

Unfortunately that's asking for trouble. We try to identify WA cheats accurately, but we have no way of telling exactly whose fingers are touching the keyboard at any given time. So unfortunately if you don't want to run the risk of being ejected from the WA (or worse), you shouldn't let anyone else operate WA nations from your computer, either.

Sharing a network or IP address is usually fine. The game does not rely on any single method of identifying WA cheats, but combines data from many different methods to calculate the likelihood that multiple WA nations are operated by the same person."

I'm not saying it's a fool-proof system, I'm saying that it would do better than Lat's alternatives.

Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Kalaron

Latrovia wrote:Heyyy before we get into a full scale of convo regarding the WA policy which we have done over million of times.

I am making it public that The Song CONTEST is actually a thing now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFuCYNx-1g

Pay attention at this, dammit :P

Jaslandia

Sulania wrote:"I only have one WA nation but my brother has one and he sometimes uses this computer.

Unfortunately that's asking for trouble. We try to identify WA cheats accurately, but we have no way of telling exactly whose fingers are touching the keyboard at any given time. So unfortunately if you don't want to run the risk of being ejected from the WA (or worse), you shouldn't let anyone else operate WA nations from your computer, either.

Sharing a network or IP address is usually fine. The game does not rely on any single method of identifying WA cheats, but combines data from many different methods to calculate the likelihood that multiple WA nations are operated by the same person."

I'm not saying it's a fool-proof system, I'm saying that it would do better than Lat's alternatives.

Outer Oz wrote:That's what they SAY. And its what I would say too, if I were in their shoes.

The realities of web design and coding mean you only have so many ways to try to keep out cheaters. And I highly doubt the NS mods have the time to implement anything more advanced than the basics.

Sulania wrote:"I only have one WA nation but my brother has one and he sometimes uses this computer.

Unfortunately that's asking for trouble. We try to identify WA cheats accurately, but we have no way of telling exactly whose fingers are touching the keyboard at any given time. So unfortunately if you don't want to run the risk of being ejected from the WA (or worse), you shouldn't let anyone else operate WA nations from your computer, either.

Sharing a network or IP address is usually fine. The game does not rely on any single method of identifying WA cheats, but combines data from many different methods to calculate the likelihood that multiple WA nations are operated by the same person."

I'm not saying it's a fool-proof system, I'm saying that it would do better than Lat's alternatives.

Perhaps it is, but again you're forcing people to join the WA. Many of them do not want to receive either notifications or their nations go under the new policies the WA releases. So globalism is not for everyone! :P

Latrovia wrote:Heyyy before we get into a full scale of convo regarding the WA policy which we have done over million of times.

Am I the only one that hasn't had this conversation before?

[nation=short]Andromitus[/nation] [nation=short]Oelesa[/nation],

Oh my, oh my! http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10151519/1/?x=0#post10009385

Oelesa

I must agree that IP checks done through an external site is infringing people's privacy a lot. If someone has a bad intention he/she could use the IP address of that other person to do illegal activities with it by masking his own IP with the persons IP.

Jaslandia

Outer Oz wrote:Am I the only one that hasn't had this conversation before?

Well you are new and this policy has been around like forever, so yeah. I guess xP

Yukona

Latrovia wrote:Perhaps it is, but again you're forcing people to join the WA. Many of them do not want to receive either notifications or their nations go under the new policies the WA releases. So globalism is not for everyone! :P

Puppet nation gets WA.

You link said puppet into the MoI, he asks it if it's you and you -presumably- respond that it is.

Jaslandia, Yukona

Outer Oz wrote:The realities of web design and coding mean you only have so many ways to try to keep out cheaters. And I highly doubt the NS mods have the time to implement anything more advanced than the basics.

And in reality it's not the Mods that look over it. It's the algorithm that detects that, and then the admins look at it. I know, because I went through the process of finding this stuff out when a past friend of mine, Time Alliance, gave me access to his account, and we both got hit with the notification that the algorithm detected it.

Latrovia wrote:Perhaps it is, but again you're forcing people to join the WA. Many of them do not want to receive either notifications or their nations go under the new policies the WA releases. So globalism is not for everyone! :P

Turn off WA notifications (You can do that), and you don't have to follow WA policies at all. No one does honestly.

Jaslandia

Irish Gaelic is such an inherently beautiful language: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfngXJMyoS4

Latrovia wrote:Well you are new and this policy has been around like forever, so yeah. I guess xP

Then I make my closing arguments:

I'm a resident here, and not a citizen, specifically because of the WA requirement. This region has chosen to have a WA requirement, and that's fine. But if the reason is to stop duplicate citizens, you are misinformed about how easy it is for dishonest people to have multiple WA nations. If you really want to keep puppeteers from manipulating things, you need to switch to an activity-based citizenship requirement, not a WA-based one.

Sulania wrote:you don't have to follow WA policies at all. No one does honestly.

The WA is exactly like the UN: it exerts absolutely no real power and no one really cares about membership other than your nation looks somewhat slightly better if you're in the organization.

Outer Oz

Outer Oz wrote:Then I make my closing arguments:

I'm a resident here, and not a citizen, specifically because of the WA requirement. This region has chosen to have a WA requirement, and that's fine. But if the reason is to stop duplicate citizens, you are misinformed about how easy it is for dishonest people to have multiple WA nations. If you really want to keep puppeteers from manipulating things, you need to switch to an activity-based citizenship requirement, not a WA-based one.

I always thought that this should had been about the people after all. Like there are guys like you that are fine but don't want to be in the WA. But nevertheless this is the policy that this region follows, so yeah until it changes, it must be followed.

Outer Oz

Sulania wrote:And in reality it's not the Mods that look over it. It's the algorithm that detects that, and then the admins look at it.

mods/admins/developers. comme ci comme ca. you are splitting hairs.

Sulania wrote:

I know, because I went through the process of finding this stuff out when a past friend of mine, Time Alliance, gave me access to his account, and we both got hit with the notification that the algorithm detected it.

Rhetorically, I wonder why you felt the need to include your friend's nation name. It seems like an unnecessary piece of detail.

I don't know what specifically triggered the message you got, and therefore I doubt your one specific experience is representative of the sophistication of the system. Anyways, I refer you to my above statement. (re: "closing argument")

Outer Oz wrote:Then I make my closing arguments:

I'm a resident here, and not a citizen, specifically because of the WA requirement. This region has chosen to have a WA requirement, and that's fine. But if the reason is to stop duplicate citizens, you are misinformed about how easy it is for dishonest people to have multiple WA nations. If you really want to keep puppeteers from manipulating things, you need to switch to an activity-based citizenship requirement, not a WA-based one.

And I'll just say that, seeing as it's either I trust the mods or the evidenceless personal anecdotes of a guy I talked to for the first time yesterday, I'll take the mods side until they are proven questionable.

I see no reason one person can't alt two accounts with decent activity between.

Latrovia wrote:I always thought that this should had been about the people after all. Like there are guys like you that are fine but don't want to be in the WA. But nevertheless this is the policy that this region follows, so yeah until it changes, it must be followed.

Because this stuff involves voting, and the best defense against Alt-voting lines up well with what the Mods inform us is a pretty sturdy system.

Kalaron wrote:And I'll just say that, seeing as it's either I trust the mods or the evidenceless personal anecdotes of a guy I talked to for the first time yesterday, I'll take the mods side until they are proven questionable.

What? Whose anecdotes? Sulania?

Kalaron wrote:

I see no reason one person can't alt two accounts with decent activity between.

Me neither, and the WA requirement isn't really a hurdle to anyone, either. Just pick your poison.

Kalaron wrote:Because this stuff involves voting, and the best defense against Alt-voting lines up well with what the Mods inform us is a pretty sturdy system.

Agreed but if I do remember correctly there were some suggestions about this.

Outer Oz wrote:What? Whose anecdotes? Sulania?

Me neither, and the WA requirement isn't really a hurdle to anyone, either. Just pick your poison.

He meant. You. :P

Latrovia wrote:He meant. You. :P

But I didn't give any anecdotes. I just wrote about my (admittedly limited) knowledge of web security and design. You can discount my statements if you want, but they aren't anecdotal. They are just informational statements.

Sulania did actually tell an anecdote, about him and his friend.

How are you all ?

Jaslandia, Latrovia

Outer Oz wrote:But I didn't give any anecdotes. I just wrote about my (admittedly limited) knowledge of web security and design. You can discount my statements if you want, but they aren't anecdotal. They are just informational statements.

Sulania did actually tell an anecdote, about him and his friend.

I know but oh well, I am just a guy trying my best to make this region prosper. Mostly because of my personal ego of doing better and creating better stuff for the community and whatever. I dont speak as much as I work, so yeah. :)

Outer Oz wrote:What? Whose anecdotes? Sulania?

Me neither, and the WA requirement isn't really a hurdle to anyone, either. Just pick your poison.

Nah, yours.

You keep saying that the WA requirement isn't a hurdle, which I have seen no evidence for...ever really. Really, the only way you'd know would be if you'd read of someone doing it or had done it yourself. Someone might be nutty enough to do it, admittedly, but god-forbid the Mods catch on.

Again, in a battle between trusting the statements of Mods or those of a guy I met a day ago, I prefer the Mods.

Latrovia wrote:Agreed but if I do remember correctly there were some suggestions about this.

And I support the side that improves our security.

Latrovia

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:The WA is exactly like the UN: it exerts absolutely no real power and no one really cares about membership other than your nation looks somewhat slightly better if you're in the organization.

Well, that depends. The WA can actually change your nation's stats, depending on the issue and its strength.

So, more like the EU, it is. Or 'murica.

Latrovia

Outer Oz wrote:Sulania did actually tell an anecdote, about him and his friend.

Indeed, I did.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:How are you all ?

Did your lovely penguins hear that a Song Contest like Eurovision will be made in the COFN!?? :D

Penguania And Antarctica

TIL: Scottish Gaelic is pronounced gallic, like gallantry - Nurem correct me if I'm wrong - and without Wales or Scotland, the UK wouldn't have had a left-wing government until 1997.

Latrovia, Aghrabia

Yukona wrote:TIL: Scottish Gaelic is pronounced gallic, like gallantry - Nurem correct me if I'm wrong - and without Wales or Scotland, the UK wouldn't have had a left-wing government until 1997.

Scottish accent is the best accent. I find it funny! :P

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