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Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I do it to help other people? You keep crying about how poor you are

And you keep crowing about how well off you are and how evil the government is. Give us all peace from your rightist whining would you please?

How lucky it is for you that it is not illegal to be a moron in a democracy.

Friedensreich wrote:Mmk that's not true at all, because one I graduate and can have a well paying career, I'm paying back not only the money I was directly given by the government, but also any taxes I used to get there.

And don't tell me "oh the rich are deprived", they used public services just like everyone else does.

It doesn't matter if they use public services or not! The use of government services might imply agreement to pay for those services, if people who didn't use the services were not required to pay. But in fact, the government forces citizens to pay taxes regardless of whether they use government services or not. Therefore, the fact that you use government services does not indicate anything about whether you agree to pay taxes.

Friedensreich wrote:Mmk that's not true at all, because one I graduate and can have a well paying career, I'm paying back not only the money I was directly given by the government, but also any taxes I used to get there.

And don't tell me "oh the rich are deprived", they used public services just like everyone else does.

Wont somebody think of the rich people?!

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:And you keep crowing about how well off you are and how evil the government is. Give us all peace from your rightist whining would you please?

How lucky it is for you that it is not illegal to be a moron in a democracy.

You would be the first one to go to jail

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You would be the first one to go to jail

Right after you, sunshine.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:You would be the first one to go to jail

Nuremgard wrote:Right after you, sunshine.

Okay, okay, thats enough. You two both have had numerous warnings and proddings from the Moderators to cool it down. They've done there best to attempt to diffuse this situation and not transorm our regions RMB into a hatestorm nightmare.

Well you two both didn't listen to them so now your going to listen to me, cut it out now. This is your final warning before are begin to utilize my Constables to the fullest extent of the law.

Jaslandia, Yukona

And I quoted those above to get your attention, not to point those two posts out individually as examples

Andromitus wrote:Okay, okay, thats enough. You two both have had numerous warnings and proddings from the Moderators to cool it down. They've done there best to attempt to diffuse this situation and not transorm our regions RMB into a hatestorm nightmare.

Well you two both didn't listen to them so now your going to listen to me, cut it out now. This is your final warning before are begin to utilize my Constables to the fullest extent of the law.

Lemme guess, somebody stole your sweet roll?

Andromitus

Andromitus wrote:Okay, okay, thats enough. You two both have had numerous warnings and proddings from the Moderators to cool it down. They've done there best to attempt to diffuse this situation and not transorm our regions RMB into a hatestorm nightmare.

Well you two both didn't listen to them so now your going to listen to me, cut it out now. This is your final warning before are begin to utilize my Constables to the fullest extent of the law.

What the hell does that even mean? Sorry, I am new to this region

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It doesn't matter if they use public services or not! The use of government services might imply agreement to pay for those services, if people who didn't use the services were not required to pay. But in fact, the government forces citizens to pay taxes regardless of whether they use government services or not. Therefore, the fact that you use government services does not indicate anything about whether you agree to pay taxes.

It kinda does. Am I supposed to ignore how companies like the banks are allowed to continue their growth and recover from 2008 because of, get this, not only government bail outs, but also use of public services such as the postal service (I get mail from banks regularly trying to convince me to take one of their credit cards with borderline predatory interest rates) and publicly funded roads.

And, like I said before, if you want to escape taxes, go out in the woods and proclaim yourself as a religious organization.

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Andromitus wrote:Okay, okay, thats enough. You two both have had numerous warnings and proddings from the Moderators to cool it down. They've done there best to attempt to diffuse this situation and not transorm our regions RMB into a hatestorm nightmare.

Well you two both didn't listen to them so now your going to listen to me, cut it out now. This is your final warning before are begin to utilize my Constables to the fullest extent of the law.

For the record, that was me ending the argument. Simmer down. No need to get all Gestapo on us.

Friedensreich wrote:It kinda does. Am I supposed to ignore how companies like the banks are allowed to continue their growth and recover from 2008 because of, get this, not only government bail outs, but also use of public services such as the postal service (I get mail from banks regularly trying to convince me to take one of their credit cards with borderline predatory interest rates) and publicly funded roads.

And, like I said before, if you want to escape taxes, go out in the woods and proclaim yourself as a religious organization.

I just have one question for you tax-lovers. If I stop using public services can I get my money back?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I just have one question for you tax-lovers. If I stop using public services can I get my money back?

No, and that's simply because you didn't even pay attention to my previous argument.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I just have one question for you tax-lovers. If I stop using public services can I get my money back?

No. You are a citizen of a nation and obliged to abide by its laws. Go live on Mars if you don't like it.

Friedensreich wrote:No, and that's simply because you didn't even pay attention to my previous argument.

Well, I agree that the government isn't supposed to bail out the banks. Now, answer my question

http://i.imgur.com/vnxeeUO.png

Nuremgard wrote:No. You are a citizen of a nation and obliged to abide by its laws. Go live on Mars if you don't like it.

What? I thought I gave consent by using public services, because, you know, that's what you said like 20 minutes ago

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well, I agree that the government isn't supposed to bail out the banks. Now, answer my question

Answer mine.

If you don't like taxes so much, why don't you go to the woods with a couple of other crazies and proclaim your little commune as a religious organization?

Onocarcass wrote:http://i.imgur.com/vnxeeUO.png

And that is?

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:What? I thought I gave consent by using public services, because, you know, that's what you said like 20 minutes ago

Paying tax is a civic duty and a law. Besides, you cant stop using public services. You always will despite your constant howling to the contrary.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:And that is?

I'm not part of you argument, I just like to share the things I'm working on.

Yukona

Friedensreich wrote:Answer mine.

If you don't like taxes so much, why don't you go to the woods with a couple of other crazies and proclaim your little commune as a religious organization?

That's not how it works in Iceland. Now answer my question properly, if you can that is

Onocarcass wrote:I'm not part of you argument, I just like to share the things I'm working on.

I know, I was just asking what it was

Friedensreich wrote:Answer mine.

If you don't like taxes so much, why don't you go to the woods with a couple of other crazies and proclaim your little commune as a religious organization?

Because him and his family are doing okay and he wants to make things sh!ttier for everyone else. It makes him feel even more superior than he already does. But he gives to charity and leads scouts to he should be canonised.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:That's not how it works in Iceland. Now answer my question properly, if you can that is

And with that, I'm done with you^

You aren't listening to reason, and you keep shifting the goalposts in this discussion.

Nuremgard wrote:Paying tax is a civic duty and a law. Besides, you cant stop using public services. You always will despite your constant howling to the contrary.

that's what we are arguing about? Just because something is legal doesn't make it right

Friedensreich wrote:And with that, I'm done with you^

You aren't listening to reason, and you keep shifting the goalposts in this discussion.

Good answer!

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I know, I was just asking what it was

One of the many maps I've made. I tend to create maps, and think up their story while I'm making them. But then I never know what to do with them from there.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:that's what we are arguing about? Just because something is legal doesn't make it right

It's not right- in your opinion.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Good answer!

I know right, it's easy to end an argument when you show off your superiority complex by saying lines like "if you can"!

Nuremgard

Onocarcass wrote:One of the many maps I've made. I tend to create maps, and think up their story while I'm making them. But then I never know what to do with them from there.

Cool Nordic names :P

Nuremgard wrote:It's not right- in your opinion.

And his whole argument is based on his opinion, lol.

Friedensreich wrote:I know right, it's easy to end an argument when you show off your superiority complex by saying lines like "if you can"!

He's right wing. You didn't expect him to be magnanimous did you?

Nuremgard wrote:It's not right- in your opinion.

Well, if you think it is right then why not just pay it and stop forcing me to do so as well?

Friedensreich wrote:I know right, it's easy to end an argument when you show off your superiority complex by saying lines like "if you can"!

Well, I guess you can't

Friedensreich wrote:And his whole argument is based on his opinion, lol.

All our arguments is based on opinion. He has just fallen into the trap of thinking his opinion is fact.

Friedensreich

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well, if you think it is right then why not just pay it and stop forcing me to do so as well?

Because you're not a special snowflake and we're all citizens who abide by the same laws. You don't deserve special treatment just because you whinge about paying tax.

Friedensreich

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Well, I guess you can't

I guess you can't either.

Nuremgard wrote:All our arguments is based on opinion. He has just fallen into the trap of thinking his opinion is fact.

Nah remember, all that matters are facts. Opinion and emotion has no place in politics.

Nuremgard

Friedensreich wrote:Nah remember, all that matters are facts. Opinion and emotion has no place in politics.

Had we followed pure logic, slavery would never have been outlawed. Slavery made nations incredibly rich and productive. That's the facts. But saying enslaving people is inhumane is just silly emotion.

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:Because you're not a special snowflake and we're all citizens who abide by the same laws. You don't deserve special treatment just because you whinge about paying tax.

I wasn't asking for special treatment! And again, just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal, Apartheid was legal. So I am going to ask you again. Who not just pay your taxes and stop forcing me to do the same if I think it's wrong?

Nuremgard wrote:Had we followed pure logic, slavery would never have been outlawed. Slavery made nations incredibly rich and productive. That's the facts. But saying enslaving people is inhumane is just silly emotion.

It is inhumane. Slavery actually reminds me of something else where someone takes your income without permission

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I wasn't asking for special treatment! And again, just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal, Apartheid was legal. So I am going to ask you again. Who not just pay your taxes and stop forcing me to do the same if I think it's wrong?

Because then there would be an imbalance. I am paying tax and you're not. That would set a precedent that says some people must obey the law, but others don't have to.

Taxes are involuntary. That's why they're called TAXES.

Again, if you don't like this, f*ck off to a remote island somewhere and stop whining about the big bad government raping you.

Jaslandia, Friedensreich

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I wasn't asking for special treatment! And again, just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal, Apartheid was legal. So I am going to ask you again. Who not just pay your taxes and stop forcing me to do the same if I think it's wrong?

Because you can't pick and choose what you get in life. The way you just worded that is that you want everyone else to pay their taxes while you get to have zero taxes.

Nuremgard wrote:

Again, if you don't like this, f*ck off to a remote island somewhere and stop whining about the big bad government raping you.

He seems to conveniently disregard this, despite maybe 4 people saying so by now.

Nuremgard wrote:Because then there would be an imbalance. I am paying tax and you're not. That would set a precedent that says some people must obey the law, but others don't have to.

Taxes are involuntary. That's why they're called TAXES.

Again, if you don't like this, f*ck off to a remote island somewhere and stop whining about the big bad government raping you.

That's what we are debating about! Why should taxes be a law? Just give me one legitimate reason and I'll stop, I promise. And telling someone to leave is something that people with no arguments say.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:It is inhumane. Slavery actually reminds me of something else where someone takes your income without permission

That's because you're an idiot.

Actually, I find your equivalence quite morally repugnant. There are people in the world today who are slaves. To say your situation (paying tax) is the same as their situation in being slaves, is not all wrong, but disgusting too.

Talk to a little girl who used to be a sex slave and tell her, "I know how you feel, honey. I'm being taxed so I am being violated too."

Friedensreich

I'm seriously wondering how we ended up with this whole issue on the RMB

Kalaron wrote:You know, if nothing else, let us all celebrate the fact that no one is insane enough to suggest a privatized military to defend the nation.

I mean, I do have PMCs running around, but the national military is still a hell of a lot stronger than them.

Jaslandia, Tserra

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:That's what we are debating about! Why should taxes be a law? Just give me one legitimate reason and I'll stop, I promise. And telling someone to leave is something that people with no arguments say.

Taxes are law because that's how the world works. Deal with it.

Friedensreich wrote:He seems to conveniently disregard this, despite maybe 4 people saying so by now.

If you don't like it, you can leave.

Such a statement inevitably comes up whenever someone expresses dissatisfaction with something in a political argument. Let me start by answering a more general question.

If conservatives/libertarians don't like big government, why don't they just leave?

A lot of libertarians and conservatives do migrate to other locations if they are able to find a location more to their liking and if the benefits of moving outweigh the convenience of not moving. If you haven't heard of it, there is a movement called The Free State Project that recently completed their goal of getting 20,000 libertarians to pledge to move to New Hampshire.

For many people, though, moving isn't an option or is an option that they would much rather avoid. Moving to another state usually means that you have to find another job. If your family lives in your home state, you will be leaving them behind. You might also be leaving behind a lot of close friends and you might have to give up living, say, near the coast for a much less favorable climate. And this is just when you move to another state; moving to another country is another story entirely. One of the most important issues for me as a libertarian is keeping things local so that if I (or anyone else that is dissatisfied with the politics of their city or state) ever do decide to follow this advice and just leave, I still have a lot of choice within the U.S. and don't have to start considering moving to the other side of the world (And what about the possibility that there aren't any better countries than the U.S.?).

Regardless, telling someone that they can always leave is about as valid an argument as telling someone that if they don't like being stolen from, they could always just not have valuable stuff. It's your choice to own valuable stuff, so if your things get stolen, isn't it your fault for choosing to own things of value? Moving somewhere else is always on the table as a last resort (in fact, I intend to leave California once I finish school), but if changing things to your liking is at all possible, I'd say that's easily the more preferable option. If I don't like the color of my house, I'm going to try painting it before buying a new house.

Finally, if progressives don't like small government and freedom, why don't they just leave the country and go somewhere that already has big government?

Nuremgard wrote:Taxes are law because that's how the world works. Deal with it.

That's not even an argument. Slavery was also the law once but that didn't stop people from fighting against it. It is painfully obvious that you can't find a single reason, single reason!

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:That's not even an argument. Slavery was also the law once but that didn't stop people from fighting against it. It is painfully obvious that you can't find a single reason, single reason!

And it's painfully obvious you don't understand the difference between taxation and slavery.

I hope the Icelandic government increases your taxes at some point. Preferably to pay for new Syrian refugees in your neighbourhood. Just knowing it would boil your piss makes me smile. :)

Friedensreich

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:[spoiler]If you don't like it, you can leave.

Such a statement inevitably comes up whenever someone expresses dissatisfaction with something in a political argument. Let me start by answering a more general question.

If conservatives/libertarians don't like big government, why don't they just leave?

A lot of libertarians and conservatives do migrate to other locations if they are able to find a location more to their liking and if the benefits of moving outweigh the convenience of not moving. If you haven't heard of it, there is a movement called The Free State Project that recently completed their goal of getting 20,000 libertarians to pledge to move to New Hampshire.

For many people, though, moving isn't an option or is an option that they would much rather avoid. Moving to another state usually means that you have to find another job. If your family lives in your home state, you will be leaving them behind. You might also be leaving behind a lot of close friends and you might have to give up living, say, near the coast for a much less favorable climate. And this is just when you move to another state; moving to another country is another story entirely. One of the most important issues for me as a libertarian is keeping things local so that if I (or anyone else that is dissatisfied with the politics of their city or state) ever do decide to follow this advice and just leave, I still have a lot of choice within the U.S. and don't have to start considering moving to the other side of the world (And what about the possibility that there aren't any better countries than the U.S.?).

Regardless, telling someone that they can always leave is about as valid an argument as telling someone that if they don't like being stolen from, they could always just not have valuable stuff. It's your choice to own valuable stuff, so if your things get stolen, isn't it your fault for choosing to own things of value? Moving somewhere else is always on the table as a last resort (in fact, I intend to leave California once I finish school), but if changing things to your liking is at all possible, I'd say that's easily the more preferable option. If I don't like the color of my house, I'm going to try painting it before buying a new house.

Finally, if progressives don't like small government and freedom, why don't they just leave the country and go somewhere that already has big government?[/spoiler]

But if you're apparently under slavery, it should be your top priority to leave. If taxes are such a bad thing in your eyes, then do something about it. But you for sure aren't going to force your will on a nation full of people when you're likely one of the few that care.

And if you're in California, like I said earlier, claim your little commune in the woods to be a religious organization. Religious organizations are exempt from taxes in the US.

And if you want to leave the US, then *le shrug* I can't help you.

I will not vote in the poll because I HATE THE WARSAW PACT!!!

Magnatronia

Nuremgard wrote:And it's painfully obvious you don't understand the difference between taxation and slavery.

I hope the Icelandic government increases your taxes at some point. Preferably to pay for new Syrian refugees in your neighbourhood. Just knowing it would boil your piss makes me smile. :)

I already have Syrian refugees in my neighborhood and they are wonderful. Getting them was a voluntary effort where everyone participated. But it says a lot about yourself that you just want to piss me off. And, by the way, the government is planning on reducing taxes

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I already have Syrian refugees in my neighborhood and they are wonderful. Getting them was a voluntary effort where everyone participated. But it says a lot about yourself that you just want to piss me off. And, by the way, the government is planning on reducing taxes

Yet you still whine. Your Messiah complex is showing again btw.

Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:But if you're apparently under slavery, it should be your top priority to leave. If taxes are such a bad thing in your eyes, then do something about it. But you for sure aren't going to force your will on a nation full of people when you're likely one of the few that care.

And if you're in California, like I said earlier, claim your little commune in the woods to be a religious organization. Religious organizations are exempt from taxes in the US.

And if you want to leave the US, then *le shrug* I can't help you.

I am not forcing my will on anyone because those who still want to pay taxes can! Is it really so difficult to understand this?

Nuremgard wrote:Yet you still whine. Your Messiah complex is showing again btw.

Your arguments are like, really good!

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Your arguments are like, really good!

Thank you.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I am not forcing my will on anyone because those who still want to pay taxes can! Is it really so difficult to understand this?

It is, because you want to not pay taxes in a society where taxes are mandatory. Is that hard for you to understand?

You live in a country, you pay the taxes associated with it. Damn, you keep playing mental gymnastics because you got zero argument.

Nuremgard

Friedensreich wrote:It is, because you want to not pay taxes in a society where taxes are mandatory. Is that hard for you to understand?

You live in a country, you pay the taxes associated with it. Damn, you keep playing mental gymnastics because you got zero argument.

He just wants to use the roads et al for free lol. Let the peasants pay tax but not him.

Friedensreich

Weird poll, Yuk. Not opposed to it- just a random choice. :P

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Thank you.

Such a civil end. I love when opponents in a debate compliment one another, even if it's just a cop out sarcastic way.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Weird poll, Yuk. Not opposed to it- just a random choice. :P

I only know some stuff about the USSR and East Germany lol

Friedensreich wrote:It is, because you want to not pay taxes in a society where taxes are mandatory. Is that hard for you to understand?

You live in a country, you pay the taxes associated with it. Damn, you keep playing mental gymnastics because you got zero argument.

That is what we are debating about! Why they should be mandatory! Give me one reason why taxes should be mandatory, please. The only thing I am asking for is one reason!

Cesorion wrote:I will not vote in the poll because I HATE THE WARSAW PACT!!!

Meh, it's not you're endorsing them, just find them interesting I guess

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Weird poll, Yuk. Not opposed to it- just a random choice. :P

Meh, couldn't think of one and it's one I wanted to do - no one on Discord had any good suggestions, please telegram any further ones to me

Nuremgard wrote:He just wants to use the roads et al for free lol. Let the peasants pay tax but not him.

No one should be taxes. And I would be considered a peasant

Friedensreich wrote:Such a civil end. I love when opponents in a debate compliment one another, even if it's just a cop out sarcastic way.

Life's too short, Fried.

Friedensreich

Meeting in 10 minutes. Please join if you intend to debate.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No one should be taxes. And I would be considered a peasant

pay*

Oelesa wrote:Meeting in 10 minutes. Please join if you intend to debate.

On discord

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:No one should be taxes. And I would be considered a peasant

Alrighty.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:That is what we are debating about! Why they should be mandatory! Give me one reason why taxes should be mandatory, please. The only thing I am asking for is one reason!

Give me one reason why we shouldn't pay taxes. And I want a rational reason, not a "omg it's theft" 'reason'.

Nuremgard

Friedensreich wrote:Give me one reason why we shouldn't pay taxes. And I want a rational reason, not a "omg it's theft" 'reason'.

Cause it's rape. Duh. No, it's rape and slavery all rolled up into one.

Actually no. Taxes are worse than being enslaved and raped.

Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:Give me one reason why we shouldn't pay taxes. And I want a rational reason, not a "omg it's theft" 'reason'.

I asked you to justify the law and I am going to ask you again. I know you can't do it but let me tell you why they are theft. Imagine that I have founded a charity organization that helps the poor.1 But not enough people are voluntarily contributing to my charity, so many of the poor remain hungry. I decide to solve the problem by approaching well-off people on the street, pointing a gun at them, and demanding their money. I funnel the money into my charity, and the poor are fed and clothed at last.

In this scenario, I would be called a thief. Why? The answer seems to be: because I am taking other people’s property without their consent. The italicized phrase just seems to be what “theft” means. “Taking without consent” includes taking by means of a threat of force issued against other people, as in this example. This fact is not altered by what I do with the money after taking it. You wouldn’t say, “Oh, you gave the money to the poor? In that case, taking people’s property without consent wasn’t theft after all.” No; you might claim that it was a socially beneficial theft, but it was still a theft.

Now compare the case of taxation. When the government “taxes” citizens, what this means is that the government demands money from each citizen, under a threat of force: if you do not pay, armed agents hired by the government will take you away and lock you in a cage. This looks like about as clear a case as any of taking people’s property without consent. So the government is a thief. This conclusion is not changed by the fact that the government uses the money for a good cause (if it does so). That might make taxation a socially beneficial kind of theft, but it is still theft.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:[spoiler]I asked you to justify the law and I am going to ask you again. I know you can't do it but let me tell you why they are theft. Imagine that I have founded a charity organization that helps the poor.1 But not enough people are voluntarily contributing to my charity, so many of the poor remain hungry. I decide to solve the problem by approaching well-off people on the street, pointing a gun at them, and demanding their money. I funnel the money into my charity, and the poor are fed and clothed at last.

In this scenario, I would be called a thief. Why? The answer seems to be: because I am taking other people’s property without their consent. The italicized phrase just seems to be what “theft” means. “Taking without consent” includes taking by means of a threat of force issued against other people, as in this example. This fact is not altered by what I do with the money after taking it. You wouldn’t say, “Oh, you gave the money to the poor? In that case, taking people’s property without consent wasn’t theft after all.” No; you might claim that it was a socially beneficial theft, but it was still a theft.

Now compare the case of taxation. When the government “taxes” citizens, what this means is that the government demands money from each citizen, under a threat of force: if you do not pay, armed agents hired by the government will take you away and lock you in a cage. This looks like about as clear a case as any of taking people’s property without consent. So the government is a thief. This conclusion is not changed by the fact that the government uses the money for a good cause (if it does so). That might make taxation a socially beneficial kind of theft, but it is still theft.[/spoiler]

Your answer did not fall within the specified parameters.

Please answer the question in a rational fact-based manner, and not in a way where your opinion is supposed to be considered factual.

Damn, sure gonna enjoy waking up in the morning and scrolling through more of this sh*te

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Friedensreich

Auxorii wrote:Through taxes. If it was voluntary nobody would pay them.

?

Did you pick your confirmation name? Think mine is Benjamin. Bloody horrible.

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:Damn, sure gonna enjoy waking up in the morning and scrolling through more of this sh*te

Read that in the poshest English accent ever.

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Your answer did not fall within the specified parameters.

Please answer the question in a rational fact-based manner, and not in a way where your opinion is supposed to be considered factual.

Just name the things that aren't true. Just because you didn't prepare for this argument doesn't mean that I have to change it. Now, can you name one reason why taxes should be mandatory?

Yukona wrote:Damn, sure gonna enjoy waking up in the morning and scrolling through more of this sh*te

Next up is another debate about religion. I plan on instigating that :P

Jaslandia

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:Just name the things that aren't true. Just because you didn't prepare for this argument doesn't mean that I have to change it. Now, can you name one reason why taxes should be mandatory?

This doesn't answer my question.

Have a nice day.

Friedensreich wrote:Next up is another debate about religion. I plan on instigating that :P

Even as someone who loves having a pop at religion, please don't lol

All these scrubs on the poll went for USSR and East Germany, smh should've went with Albania or Romania

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth

Friedensreich wrote:Next up is another debate about religion. I plan on instigating that :P

Religion is stupid. Believing in some invisible guy up in the skies is insane

Friedensreich wrote:This doesn't answer my question.

Have a nice day.

I will since you gave up and I won the argument

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:All these scrubs on the poll went for USSR and East Germany, smh should've went with Albania or Romania

We would if we knew the first thing about any of them.

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I will since you gave up and I won the argument

Lol no, but whatever helps you sleep at night babe.

Nuremgard

YO, WE'RE HAVING A PARLIAMENT MEETING ON THE DISCORD

Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth wrote:I will since you gave up and I won the argument

We won.

Nuremgard wrote:We would if we knew the first thing about any of them.

Shame Yugoslavia ain't on there :P

Nuremgard wrote:I only know some stuff about the USSR and East Germany lol

I just remember what Romania did to Mr. and Mrs. Ceausescu. If you're going to essentially make yourself the state, you best make sure that the people continue being happy with the state.

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:Lol no, but whatever helps you sleep at night babe.

He probably checks under his bed at night for the tax man.

Friedensreich

Nuremgard wrote:He probably checks under his bed at night for the tax man.

The fact my mother worked in the IRS gives him nightmares.

Nuremgard

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I just remember what Romania did to Mr. and Mrs. Ceausescu. If you're going to essentially make yourself the state, you best make sure that the people continue being happy with the state.

L'Etat, c'est moi.

Jaslandia

Friedensreich wrote:The fact my mother worked in the IRS gives him nightmares.

I have a feeling if he encountered a Boggart, it would take the form of a smartly dressed official from the Treasury holding a very large tax bill.

Nuremgard wrote:We would if we knew the first thing about any of them.

Albania was batsh*t insane under Enver Hoxha and split off from Yugoslavia, the West, the USSR, and even China. Also, all those bunkers, Ponzi schemes, and the 1997 civil war after the fall of the People's Socialist Republic.

Romania, meanwhile, was ruled by Ceaușescu who ruled almost akin to a monarch (had a presidential sash and scepter) and his Securitate were incredibly brutal (saying a half-finished Ceaușescu joke could've led to you and your family getting dragged out in the middle of the night and executed for crimes against the Socialist Republic) until the fall of the government in 1991.

Jaslandia

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Albania was batsh*t insane under Enver Hoxha and split off from Yugoslavia, the West, the USSR, and even China. Also, all those bunkers, Ponzi schemes, and the 1997 civil war after the fall of the People's Socialist Republic.

Romania, meanwhile, was ruled by Ceaușescu who ruled almost akin to a monarch (had a presidential sash and scepter) and his Securitate were incredibly brutal (saying a half-finished Ceaușescu joke could've led to you and your family getting dragged out in the middle of the night and executed for crimes against the Socialist Republic) until the fall of the government in 1991.

You learn something new everyday.

Jaslandia, Friedensreich, Pirate Kingdoms

Nuremgard wrote:I have a feeling if he encountered a Boggart, it would take the form of a smartly dressed official from the Treasury holding a very large tax bill.

Just continue to ridicule me, that's what losers do. Also, what the fvck is a Boggart?

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