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All valid points. The SNP has done sh!t while in government which has pissed me off but it doesn't stop me voting for them. I suppose the Lib Dems and Greens are the only decent alternatives in England. Shame about the FPTP voting system. I only hope they don't do something as stupid as going into coalition with the Tories again. Clegg, in my opinion, was just an overambitious politician who thought he'd have more control than he did in government. And Farron's views irritated me on a personal level but as far as I know, his voting record was generally liberal in giving gay people more rights and protections. So at least he didn't let his religion interfere with the liberalism which his party is supposed to stand for.
Yeah not a fan of FPTP, I mean again - it was the Liberal Democrats who tried to pioneer changing that, and it (remember that massive push a few months ago?) remains a massive part of their campaign to reform the shoddy voting system. I don't like the Greens because they're Republican, but I'd love to see a Green-Lib Dem coalition and to be honest I'd have no problem with a Green government, it's just a slight qualm I have with one of their policies, I am extremely environmentalist anyway.
Cable assured us he wasn't going to, and the party has very much learnt their lesson. At the moment it could even be said they're scared of coalitions they way they talk about them, so my dreams of a Lib Dem-Green coalition are on the back burner for now, my nation The West Country is essentially a "what-if" a country was ruled by them/in that way.
As you said, the whole bloody point of liberalism is that you let people, regardless of your own views, do what they want. Farron can think being homosexual is a sin, and that's fine! He didn't force that view on anybody else and in-fact he encouraged people to be proud, he also voted strongly for gay marriage and LGBT rights. Any religious person is entitled to interpret their scriptures how they want, just as much as a gay person can do and be whatever they want - and he knew that! That's why I don't get why the media lambasted him for it, or why the country jumped down his throat about it, but I think they misunderstood liberalism and thought everybody who is a liberal must also be incredibly liberal in the internet sense in that he had to be very pro-homosexuality, not religious, etc. What makes me question his judgement however is why on Earth he refused to comment on it and actually talk about it and explain it - I think it's because he got scared and thought anything he did say on the matter would alienate his followers who had constructed him as something else anyway. He wasn't a suitable leader, and even Cable said to me he has no idea why Tim chose to try and keep it low key, in my opinion his actions spoke louder than his words but either way I suppose he was going to dig himself a grave with the mob that was forming.
Nuremgard, Aghrabia, Anglia Imperium
Great to see you again, Aghrabia!
https://youtu.be/4by17fmWGr8
I thought you meant 'G.I.' as in 'solider' or 'G.I. Bill', so I was very confused for a moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._(military)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill
The Greens may be republican but even if they were in government, the monarchy would not be under threat. The royals are, much to my despair, incredibly popular in the UK and the entire British establishment is pro-monarchist/stepped in monarchist tradition. But I totally understand not voting for a party out of principle. You're a passionate monarchist so why would you vote for a republican party? A personal red line for me is independence. I wouldn't vote for any unionist party, no matter how left wing they were.
I don't like the Lib Dems because of the coalition but I wouldn't vote for them anyway. The Scottish Lib Dems are useless, irrelevant and arch unionists who always vote along with the other unionist parties in the Scottish Parliament so I have no time for them. However, if their reformist vision for the UK is genuine then I applaud that.
I think the media just wanted a little witch hunt to be honest. They knew his comments would fill the papers for a few days. I didn't even find his views all that offensive. So he's a Christian who believes homosexuality is a sin. Big deal. Many religious people do. Was he abusing gays in the street? No. Was he calling us abominations and throwing insults at us? No. Was he denying us equal rights through his voting record in Parliament? No. He was doing the opposite. I didn't pay much attention to Farron but it irritated me how obsessed the media was with him and how they practically bullied him. People are free to express their distaste for homosexuality. It's a free country. So long as they're not being outwardly homophobic in a violent or verbally abusive manner, I can live with the disapproval of some religionists.
It was a bad example of liberals showing themselves up and giving the rest of us who consider ourselves liberals a bad name. I detest religion passionately but I'd never dream of trying to stop someone from practising their faith or believing what they believe.
Aghrabia, Yukona, Anglia Imperium
Thanks. One of our more civil discussions. Wait for a day when we're discussing Scottish independence again. There is always blood.
Aghrabia, Yukona, Anglia Imperium
I wanted the two of them to have an angry internet fight, not to have a civil discussion about the Liberal Democrats and its recent history and their views on the party.
Nuremgard, Anglia Imperium
Sorry to disappoint.
Percyton
Step 1: Get Angry
Step 2: Fight
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Make Up
Nuremgard
Just to address this for any third-party, we don't ever truly fight. Sometimes, I've got to admit, I get a bit pissed off but I'd never explicitly state that - especially in the heat of moment - or escalate it into a fight. It just so happens that Nurem doesn't like my country and wants to break it up, and I'm incredibly patriotic and want to keep it together - and we're both very proud of our countries even if one incorporates the other in my case, it's like water and oil. On the other hand, we are very good friends and there is never any ill blood between us, we are simply rattling sabres because we're two opinionated followers of politics with a warrant to say what we like on the internet. We'll always be able to have a friendly and close discussion regardless of what has been said, what will be said, or whatever happens to this pissant country.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Great. Now, I have to imagine the two of you arguing and then making up instead of being able to see the real deal.
Nuremgard, Yukona
People tend to have strong opinions about the state they've attached their identity to being broken up. I can understand the deep emotional connection to one's nation. I should know. I'm a nationalist after all.
Yukona, Percyton
This is so awesome. I loves the Yuk.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton
No, this region is better when everyone is arguing and fighting one another. It's also great when we insult each other behind our backs.
Mercunova, Yukona, The Scottish Twins
I too can get pissed off during discussions about independence as Yuk said. Some unionists do have a superior and arrogant mindset towards Scotland. Yuk isn't one of these unionists. I believe that he passionately loves the United Kingdom and wants to preserve and improve it. At the end of the day, we're just two Brits with very different ideas about what's best for the sh!tty little island we both inhabit together.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton, The Scottish Twins
You called yourself a Brit. You're adorable.
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova, Yukona, Percyton
Well it's true. It's what I am lol whether I like it or not.
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Percyton
He's on the island of Great Britain, so he's British. Here are some insults and swear words in Scottish Gaelic.
https://tierracelta.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-to-swear-insult-cuss-and-curse-in.html
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Yukona, The Scottish Twins
True, lol.
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
You don't need the insult just a bottle to the dome
Nuremgard
Donald: Hullo, aw! We jist cam back tae sae we're quite canty tae see France advance tae th' World Cup Final. We waur ne'er rootin' fur England, an' in honor of Scotland an' France's historic ties, we waur rootin' fur France.
Douglas: Especially now. After England lost tae Croatia, a lot of Sodor's Sassenach engines decided tae root fur Croatia insteid of France. They jist coods nae bear tae root fur their supposed rival athwart th' channel. Och, if ye waur listen tae the Sassenach engines gab, ye woods hink th' Hunder Years' War ended yesterday!
Donald: Ah well. It's their loss. They'll be disappointed when those wee jimmies frae th' Balkans fall before French cleats!
Douglas: Aye. France forever!
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton
Or as we say in Glasgow, "he's getting glessed."
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
British slang sounds like it was made by someone who got a "bottle to the dome".
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
That's the English for you. They invent the language and then butcher it with their hideous accents. ;)
Penguania And Antarctica, Gualimole
All hail Noah Webster and American spelling conventions.
Jaslandia
No. I think it's great you guys broke free from the yoke of the British Crown but your spelling conventions should have sent you to the Tower.
Bearlong
[spoiler=All Hail Noah Webster]Color
Aging
Mustache
Theater
Center
Fiber
Liter
Flavor
Humor
Labor
Neighbor
Apologize
Organize
Recognize[/spoiler]
Jaslandia, Baxten
*Cringes* Betraying your King was bad enough. Then you had to go and desecrate his language.
Bearlong, Aghrabia, Yukona
Tired af, but I'm pretty happy.
Nuremgard
Good to hear!
I accidentally abolished the State Press policy in Iberia. I'm a bit miffed.
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
So, what's everyone up to?
Russkov Soviet, Jaslandia
It's ironic that we're talking about betraying kings because it's the 60th anniversary of the 14 July Revolution in Iraq.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/14_July_revolution_-_mutilated_corpse.jpg/220px-14_July_revolution_-_mutilated_corpse.jpg
"The mutilated corpses of Prince 'Abd al-Ilah of Hejaz (left) and Prime Minister Nuri al-Said (right). Arabic text: 'Prince 'Abd al-Ilah hung and cut up by shawarma knives, Pasha Nuri al-Said pulled around.'"
I'm chatting to you lovely people on here while also chatting to pals on Skype while also listening to Celine Dion. You?
Talking about a historical event that literally nobody cares about.
Nuremgard, Mercunova
Sucks to be them.
Jaslandia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyMUpPdVqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T38eLWOpCYk
Nuremgard
Glad to hear from the two of ya. The family and I decided, at first, to root for Croatia after they beat Russia. However, after talking with the delegates and leaders of both nations, we've switched our "alliance" to France. Apparently our citizens prefer France more than Croatia, so I guess the people have spoken? xD
Jaslandia
Yes. Also, #FreeLula.
Ah well... You'll get it back soon.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
You may not care but we hold a long grudge.
https://youtu.be/MiXgOQ9_-RI?t=157
Ah, Celine Dion... are you also a member of team rainbow?
Which one?
Just working on some stuff on the computer, then I'll be off to bed. (Yes.. It's only 3pm now, but I've been up since 4am.)
Jaslandia
14 July Revolution.
Indeed I am.
Watching Evangelion with my fiance. Nothing much aside from that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvGpoKhTbVA
Ah fair enough. Can't blame you for wanting to sleep :P
As in, 14th July Iraq Revolution?
Ah, ditto.
Russkov Soviet, Mercunova
Are you a sinful homosexual or a fence sitter?
Jaslandia, Mercunova
Fiance... say what??!
Yes.
Its also Bastille Day, another holiday of betraying kings. How eventful
Nuremgard
He sounds so excited.
Yukona
Was July designated as Kill Your King Month or something?
Oh I'm no fence sitter.
Most definitely sinful.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Mercunova
Good. As my sister says, don't sit on the fence or you'll get splinters on your arse.
Everestopia, Mercunova
I say we make July the month of republicanism.
Nuremgard, Mercunova
Oh, there's nothing on the heterosexual side of the fence I find alluring.
Mercunova
Unfortunately I think Trump may have set the cause for republicanism back another thousand years or so.
Nor me. Men all the way pour moi.
Everestopia, Mercunova
Good evening.
Jaslandia
The President of the United States is so powerful that the US essentially is a republican monarchy. We also have political dynasties here, so it all fits the bill.
Nuremgard
Sully became a cradle robber with the Wee Baby Kal (and f*cked him repeatedly as well)
Mercunova
Biphobia?
Mercunova
I guess there were some British traditions you just couldn't shake off.
Hey, bud. How's our favourite German doing?
Jaslandia, Aghrabia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
Good evening.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Mercunova
No. She disdains political centrists.
Again. What??!
Mercunova
Most of our Founding Fathers were colonial leaders. Like father, like son, I guess.
Everestopia, Nuremgard
Kal was pan the whole time.
Si, Kal became the catcher and they're engaged, but Quaker marriage processing takes time, so the wedding isn't for a while
Mercunova
All men are created equal. Except if you're black, female, gay or poor.
The Supreme Court interprets "men" as referring to both men and women.
The Founding Fathers interpreted men as white, property-owning, heterosexual humans with penises.
More just Fiance I'm confused by. Like for real?
Ring and the sha-ding?
Mercunova
>only German :/
I'm okayish. You?
Once again, there was pressure to try and broaden it, but human greed and a more conservative era squashed that
Si
Oh, did that Morman guy from the CFN ever return?
He had blonde hair and glasses. If that helps?
Nah it's not the real thing. As we all know, marriage isn't real unless one of the people involved has a vagina.
I'm not bad. *hugs*
Penguania And Antarctica
As greed and conservatism so often do.
Their interpretation doesn't matter. It's the Supreme Court's interpretation that actually affects the United States today.
But your Founding Fathers were still dicks.
Not all of them were bad. Thomas Paine was radical for his time.
Jaslandia
True.
Yes.
I'm hating myself for eating too much today.
What did you eat?
Penguania And Antarctica
You shouldn't. Eating is one of life's pleasures.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Ask someone who has required the Heimlich and they'll argue over that relentlessly.
Nuremgard
Time Alliance? He's still gone.
Mercunova
A lot to list everything.
It's not pleasure. It's a creation of Satan.
Isn't he the one we don't talk about because of...reasons?
Jaslandia, Mercunova
What reasons?
A hatred of pleasure can be quite toxic. If you feeling suicidal, which I suspect you are because of some past statements and how you see yourself, then please call 112.
Jaslandia
You could say that.
I think he had some very interesting kinks which he overshared in public.
Jaslandia, Mercunova, Yukona
Oh, I remember. He was a zoophile.
Jaslandia, Yukona
I'm not suicidal.
I thought you were due to reasons I am not going to talk about.
I think there was other stuff too, including vore.
Jaslandia
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