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Continental Commonwealths wrote:I support a ranked ballot so that if a candidate does not receive a majority of first place votes, it at least is calculated that they received the majority of highest ranking votes. This really stems from the purpose of having MPs that are elected from specific constituencies as I like the idea of regions having a single representative who is beholden to her/his electorate. While also liking the idea of a candidate having majority support from said constituency.

But I believe it should go to a referendum. I know it's unlikely to pass, but a Government with less than 40% of the vote can't say they have a majority mandate to skew how all future elections shall be determined.

If a referendum made me choose between FPTP or PR, however, I'd probably opt for PR as long as it was open list.

Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:If a referendum made me choose between FPTP or PR, however, I'd probably opt for PR as long as it was open list.

Scotland uses closed lists which is frustrating. A politician roundly rejected by the electorate can still sneak into a seat through the back door by getting a list seat.

Continental Commonwealths

Nuremgard wrote:Scotland uses closed lists which is frustrating. A politician roundly rejected by the electorate can still sneak into a seat through the back door by getting a list seat.

Closed list PR is a scary thing. You're voting solely for a party's ideology while you have little to no idea who is going to represent it or you in the legislature. *shudders*

Nuremgard, Aldaur

Why are music videos so utterly insane sometimes?

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Closed list PR is a scary thing. You're voting solely for a party's ideology while you have little to no idea who is going to represent it or you in the legislature. *shudders*

What's funny though is that the leader of the Scottish Conservatives left Glasgow because nobody ever voted for her there. She found a cosy, more right-wing area in Edinburgh.

Continental Commonwealths

Killdash wrote:Why are music videos so utterly insane sometimes?

Because TV commercials are allowed to advertise to children on the subject of food and drink.

Killdash

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Because TV commercials are allowed to advertise to children on the subject of food and drink.

Like some make sense, or are visually pleasing. Some tell stories, some feature bands performing.

Others are bat-shït off-the-well crystal-meth-inspired mind jiggery-pokey.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Killdash wrote:Like some make sense, or are visually pleasing. Some tell stories, some feature bands performing.

Others are bat-shït off-the-well crystal-meth-inspired mind jiggery-pokey.

https://youtu.be/98AJUj-qxHI

Killdash, Penguania And Antarctica

Jaslandia wrote:https://youtu.be/98AJUj-qxHI

Yes, this is almost exactly what I meant.

See also; Your Woman; White Town

Like, they're trying to get a message across, I know they are, but it's just not happening.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

I think we should get rid of the legislature, elect national leaders and have everything based on referendums.

Aldaur wrote:I think we should get rid of the legislature, elect national leaders and have everything based on referendums.

Let's elect you dictator :P

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:Let's elect you dictator :P

A dictator that is elected by the people, bound by the constitution, checked by the judiciary and has his policies find legitimacy through the results of popular referendums? That doesn't sound bad at all.

Nuremgard

Aldaur wrote:A dictator that is elected by the people, bound by the constitution, checked by the judiciary and has his policies find legitimacy through the results of popular referendums? That doesn't sound bad at all.

https://youtu.be/A-pIw4OtiXc?t=12

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:https://youtu.be/A-pIw4OtiXc?t=12

It really is. But, this system is more democratic if you think about it. If everything is put up for a referenda or is based on polls, then it is a lot closer to what the people actually want. There has been so many times where the voters have said they wanted to do something through a referendum or a ballot measure just to have the legislature say no. The legislature is just a bunch of old men talking and they never do anything about what they talk about. Not to mention how incredibly corrupt and scandalous they are. So many that join the legislature come out far wealthier than when they got in, and that is not from their Congressional or Parliamentary paychecks. With all of the backroom deals and pork barrel politics, all the legislature does is screw the people over for personal gain, mostly through inaction, which is the very death of any state. People don't want Congress, they want action! A strong executive that is accountable to the people can provide that. This is what happened in Rome. The Senators were so thoroughly corrupt that the people looked to their exeuctive leaders, and rightly so! It worked out well for a long while. The only problem with Rome is that they had no real written constitution or judiciary to check the executive, and there wasn't such a thing called referendums back then. Things are different now, and in this fast paced world, we need action based on what the people want.

Nuremgard

Aldaur wrote:It really is. But, this system is more democratic if you think about it. If everything is put up for a referenda or is based on polls, then it is a lot closer to what the people actually want. There has been so many times where the voters have said they wanted to do something through a referendum or a ballot measure just to have the legislature say no. The legislature is just a bunch of old men talking and they never do anything about what they talk about. Not to mention how incredibly corrupt and scandalous they are. So many that join the legislature come out far wealthier than when they got in, and that is not from their Congressional or Parliamentary paychecks. With all of the backroom deals and pork barrel politics, all the legislature does is screw the people over for personal gain, mostly through inaction, which is the very death of any state. People don't want Congress, they want action! A strong executive that is accountable to the people can provide that. This is what happened in Rome. The Senators were so thoroughly corrupt that the people looked to their exeuctive leaders, and rightly so! It worked out well for a long while. The only problem with Rome is that they had no real written constitution or judiciary to check the executive, and there wasn't such a thing called referendums back then. Things are different now, and in this fast paced world, we need action based on what the people want.

*holds crown waiting to anoint Ald*

Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:*holds crown waiting to anoint Ald*

*Swats crown out of hand*

The power belongs to the people. The executive is but a mere function to serve their needs. Plus, a crown would ruin my hair :p

Praesis ut prosis, ne ut imperes.

Lead in order to serve, not in order to rule.

Nuremgard

Old men? Really? On NS?

Aldaur wrote:*Swats crown out of hand*

The power belongs to the people. The executive is but a mere function to serve their needs. Plus, a crown would ruin my hair :p

Praesis ut prosis, ne ut imperes.

Lead in order to serve, not in order to rule.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:*Swats crown out of hand*

The power belongs to the people. The executive is but a mere function to serve their needs. Plus, a crown would ruin my hair :p

Praesis ut prosis, ne ut imperes.

Lead in order to serve, not in order to rule.

Don't be such a peasant. Monarchy is the grand style of ruling.

Aldaur

Killdash wrote:Res ipsa loquitur.

Indeed. Mine shall be a rule of negligence lol

Nuremgard wrote:Don't be such a peasant. Monarchy is the grand style of ruling.

I prefer the Imperator narrative

Aldaur wrote:Indeed. Mine shall be a rule of negligence lol

I prefer the Imperator narrative

So like a popularly elected Roman emperor.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:So like a popularly elected Roman emperor.

Because that ended well.

Jaslandia

Killdash wrote:Because that ended well.

This is NS, not Rome.

Jaslandia

Killdash wrote:Because that ended well.

I already stated the flaws it had that could be easily remedied in the modern era. Also, when you have a good Emperor like Augustus, Hadrian, Trajan, Aurelius, etc. you have several decades of positive rule. Having a constitution, referendums and elections really cuts out the possibility of bad emperors and instead give you good or meh leaders like when you elect a President.

Killdash

Aldaur wrote:I already stated the flaws it had that could be easily remedied in the modern era. Also, when you have a good Emperor like Augustus, Hadrian, Trajan, Aurelius, etc. you have several decades of positive rule. Having a constitution, referendums and elections really cuts out the possibility of bad emperors and instead give you good or meh leaders like when you elect a President.

I see what you mean. But the other factor is, not everyone really wants to wade into the mud of regional politics. That's why we have a legislature. So that the people who are well informed and actually care, make the decisions.

That being said, I do think we should hold elections for the legislature, and the cabinet.

*** Greater Banitia as an old man sitting by the fire in his creaking rocking chair***

"You know kids, Nationstates has come a long way! When I was just a young nation of 5 million citizens, issues were completely random/unrelated. Heck, we didn't even have banners!"

*** Smokes his pipe thoughtfully, gazing into the fire ***

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Killdash, Penguania And Antarctica

Greater Banitia wrote:*** Greater Banitia as an old man sitting by the fire in his creaking rocking chair***

"You know kids, Nationstates has come a long way! When I was just a young nation of 5 million citizens, issues were completely random/unrelated. Heck, we didn't even have banners!"

*** Smokes his pipe thoughtfully, gazing into the fire ***

Ah, old times.

Jaslandia, Greater Banitia, Penguania And Antarctica

Oops. Legalised cannibalism in Tangshan so crime went up again. My bad.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Penguania And Antarctica

Nuremgard wrote:Oops. Legalised cannibalism in Tangshan so crime went up again. My bad.

Sounds legit

Aldaur

Killdash wrote:I see what you mean. But the other factor is, not everyone really wants to wade into the mud of regional politics. That's why we have a legislature. So that the people who are well informed and actually care, make the decisions.

That being said, I do think we should hold elections for the legislature, and the cabinet.

Then that is a problem that needs to be addressed. Educating the people is the first step. Then we have to mobilize them so they can participate. The fact that people aren't educated enough, the legislature does whatever they want against the will of the people and how their voices aren't heard is what makes them not want to participate. It's no wonder people are so apathetic. It's also no wonder that radicalism is becoming more popular. Action is needed and fast, before more radical action is taken.

Nuremgard

Greater Banitia wrote:*** Greater Banitia as an old man sitting by the fire in his creaking rocking chair***

"You know kids, Nationstates has come a long way! When I was just a young nation of 5 million citizens, issues were completely random/unrelated. Heck, we didn't even have banners!"

*** Smokes his pipe thoughtfully, gazing into the fire ***

*sits across on the ground in cross-legged stance, inhaling from a hookah*

"Those were the days, back when all we had were either poorly-written factbooks or WA resolutions to liberate Nazi regions/ban abortion."

*inhales once more, blowing the sweet scent of smoke into the fire*

Nuremgard, Greater Banitia, Penguania And Antarctica

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:*sits across on the ground in cross-legged stance, inhaling from a hookah*

"Those were the days, back when all we had were either poorly-written factbooks or WA resolutions to liberate Nazi regions/ban abortion."

*inhales once more, blowing the sweet scent of smoke into the fire*

*Smiles at as if remembering a distant memory*

"Ah yes, back when the WA at least tried to enforce their famous resolutions, when they really were our greatest audience". The old man chuckled before his jests devolved into a furious whirlwind of coughs. He settled down, rocking in his rocking chair, puffing drowsily. "How they tried, oh how they tried!" the old man said, a bittersweet smile plastered across his wrinkled face.

*The old man slowly gets up from his chair, shuffling slowly towards the fire. As he creeps closer to the fire's light, the old sigils of the Black Riders are revealed as well as a score of battle scars. Hunched over, he stokes the fire. He slowly shuffles back towards his seat, setting himself down with a tired sigh.*

"We had our fun, our age has gone

Comrades, Riders one thousand strong

Raiders we were, through time transcend

But Ah! The grief, Our ride must end."

With that, the old man breathed his last, his chair slowly ceasing its rocking motion.

In the distance, the outline of a rider can be seen. A head bowed in loss outlined by the moon.

With another glance, the rider is gone, into the night along with the dying embers of a once great fire.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Killdash, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra, Pirate Kingdoms, Confederacy Of Free Nations

*Sees Nurem retake the delegacy*

It's a coup! All hail our New Old Temporary Overlord!

Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica

Hello buddies.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Birth of the Bab (Baha'i Faith)

- Conflict Resolution Day

- Get to Know Your Customers Day (United States)

- Heroes' Day (Kenya)

- International Sloth Day

- National Brandied Fruit Day (United States)

- National Get Smart About Credit Day (United States)

- Revolution Day (Guatemala)

- Spirit Day (International)

- Suspender's Day

- Vietnamese Women's Day (Vietnam)

- Waiters Day

- World Osteoporosis Day

- World Statistics Day

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 1572 - Relief of Goes: Cristobal de Mondragon, with 3000 soldiers of the Spanish Tercios, relieves the siege of the city.

- 1720 - Caribbean pirate Calico Jack is captured by the Royal Navy.

- 1740 - Maria Theresa takes the throne of Austria. France, Prussia, Bavaria and Saxony refuse to honour the Pragmatic Sanction and the War of the Austrian Succession begins.

- 1781 - The Patent of Toleration, providing limited freedom of worship, is approved in Habsburg Monarchy.

- 1803 - The United States Senate ratifies the Louisiana Purchase.

- 1818 - The Convention of 1818 is signed between the United States and the United Kingdom, which settles the Canada-United States border on the 49th parallel for most of its length.

- 1873 - Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and Rutgers universities draft the first code of American football rules.

- 1904 - Chile and Bolivia sign the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, delimiting the border between the two countries.

- 1910 - The hull of the RMS Olympic, sister-ship to the ill-fated RMS Titanic, is launched from the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

- 1941 - World War II: Thousands of civilians in Kragujevac in German-occupied Serbia are murdered in the Kragujevac massacre.

- 1944 - The Soviet Army and Yugoslav Partisans liberate Belgrade, the capital of Yugoslavia

- 1944 - American general Douglas MacArthur fulfills his promise to return to the Philippines when he commands an Allied assault on the islands, reclaiming them from the Japanese during the Second World War.

- 1947 - The House Un-American Activities Committee begins its investigation into Communist infiltration of Hollywood, resulting in a blacklist that prevents some from working in the industry for years.

- 1951 - The "Johnny Bright incident" occurs in Stillwater, Oklahoma

- 1961 - The Soviet Union performs the first armed test of a submarine-launched ballistic missile, launching an R-13 from a Golf-class submarine.

- 1968 - Former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy marries Greek shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis.

- 1970 - Siad Barre declares Somalia a socialist state.

- 1973 - "Saturday Night Massacre": United States President Richard Nixon fires U.S. Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus after they refuse to fire Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox, who is finally fired by Robert Bork.

- 1973 - The Sydney Opera House is opened by Elizabeth II after 14 years of construction work.

- 1977 - Rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd's plane crashes.

- 1981 - Two police officers and an armored car guard are killed during an armed robbery in Rockland County, New York, carried out by members of the Black Liberation Army and Weather Underground.

- 1982 - During the UEFA Cup match between FC Spartak Moscow and HFC Haarlem, 66 people are crushed to death in the Luzhniki disaster.

- 1991 - The Oakland Hills firestorm kills 25 and destroys 3,469 homes and apartments, causing more than $2 billion in damage.

- 1991 - A 6.8 Mw earthquake strikes the Uttarkashi region of India, killing more than 1,000 people.

- 2011 - Libyan Civil War: National Transitional Council rebel forces capture ousted Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi in his hometown of Sirte and kill him shortly thereafter.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1632 - Christopher Wren, English physicist, mathematician, and architect, designed St Paul's Cathedral

- 1859 - John Dewey, American psychologist and philosopher

- 1882 - Bela Lugosi, Hungarian-American actor

- 1891 - James Chadwick, English physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1923 - Otfried Preußler, German children's books author

- 1931 - Mickey Mantle, American baseball player and sportscaster

- 1942 - Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard, German biologist and geneticist, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1946 - Elfriede Jelinek, Austrian author and playwright, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1950 - Tom Petty, American singer-songwriter, guitarist, and producer

- 1956 - Danny Boyle, English director, producer, and screenwriter

- 1958 - Viggo Mortensen, American actor and producer

- 1966 - Stefan Raab, German comedian, singer-songwriter, producer, and television host

- 1971 - Snoop Dogg, American rapper, producer, and actor

[/spoiler]

Quote of the day

Today you are you! That is truer than true! There is no one alive who is you-er than you!

- Dr. Seuss -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Continental Commonwealths, Confederacy Of Free Nations

Aldaur wrote:*Sees Nurem retake the delegacy*

It's a coup! All hail our New Old Temporary Overlord!

Hail [nation=short]Nuremgard[/nation]!

Hallowed be thy name !

Etc. ... :)

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Killdash, Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Then that is a problem that needs to be addressed. Educating the people is the first step. Then we have to mobilize them so they can participate. The fact that people aren't educated enough, the legislature does whatever they want against the will of the people and how their voices aren't heard is what makes them not want to participate. It's no wonder people are so apathetic. It's also no wonder that radicalism is becoming more popular. Action is needed and fast, before more radical action is taken.

Okay, but how many people actually have an interest in regional politics? Some people are just here to RP, others, to hang out. They don't really want to bothered by voting on every single issue.

Worse, they couldn't be bothered to read all the background on the issues, which means that most will be voting on their gut, or because they like the one nation, or seniority.

Crato wrote:cock rooster

ass donkey

tit bird

Crato wrote:ass donkey

tit bird

Always nice to see people responding to themselves :P

Latrovia wrote:Always nice to see people responding to themselves :P

shut

Crato wrote:shut

See You Next Tuesday, as my dad calls fellow road users.

Killdash wrote:See You Next Tuesday, as my dad calls fellow road users.

up

Killdash wrote:Okay, but how many people actually have an interest in regional politics? Some people are just here to RP, others, to hang out. They don't really want to bothered by voting on every single issue.

Worse, they couldn't be bothered to read all the background on the issues, which means that most will be voting on their gut, or because they like the one nation, or seniority.

I feel you two are talking about two different things?

Our current system works just fine, regardless.

Aldaur

My inner right-winger has an orgasm every time it sees tax rates in my country fall considerably.

52% to 46%. Mmm. Oh, yeah, that's good.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Greater Banitia wrote:*** Greater Banitia as an old man sitting by the fire in his creaking rocking chair***

"You know kids, Nationstates has come a long way! When I was just a young nation of 5 million citizens, issues were completely random/unrelated. Heck, we didn't even have banners!"

*** Smokes his pipe thoughtfully, gazing into the fire ***

If you're an old man in the region does that mean Jas is an urn?

Jaslandia, Killdash, Penguania And Antarctica, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Unfallious wrote:If you're an old man in the region does that mean Jas is an urn?

yes

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:If you're an old man in the region does that mean Jas is an urn?

Well, the former's dead now, so Jas is still the old guy along with Big Willy :p

Jaslandia

Unfallious wrote:If you're an old man in the region does that mean Jas is an urn?

I must be at least 120-130.

Jaslandia, Freewire

Killdash wrote:Okay, but how many people actually have an interest in regional politics? Some people are just here to RP, others, to hang out. They don't really want to bothered by voting on every single issue.

Worse, they couldn't be bothered to read all the background on the issues, which means that most will be voting on their gut, or because they like the one nation, or seniority.

Oh you're talking about regional politics? I was talking about real life lol

Killdash, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Pirate Kingdoms wrote:Well, the former's dead now, so Jas is still the old guy along with Big Willy :p

Please God, tell me that I'm not "Big Willy"

If so, I'm just old in real life (comparatively). I'm not that old with relation to NS.

Jaslandia, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus, Pirate Kingdoms

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Please God, tell me that I'm not "Big Willy"

If so, I'm just old in real life (comparatively). I'm not that old with relation to NS.

You are, on both ends :p

P.S. Thank Nurem for the amazing moniker

Killdash, Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Oh you're talking about regional politics? I was talking about real life lol

Oh. Different issue then, :).

Aldaur

I want to thank the people who have filled up the survey. I see a lot of opinions, thoughts and I am happy to receive suggestions as well.

Soon after a few days when I get more responses I will create some sort of report and expect your privacy to be there.

Names will not be given out as I want to respect everyone's privacy here. Your comments might be especially if and when they involve the government and share a variety of solutions.

I figure out that some of you may fear the probability that you will be recognised - that is why I won't make a report on your good and bad experiences around here. That is entirely yours and thank you for sharing it with me. I promise that I DO take very seriously privacy and that is the reason that what you shared with me, stays with me.

This survey will help me mostly seeing the pros and cons of the region and create a better image of what is at stake here. I promise that as long as it is in my hand the government of the CFN will not tear apart, and if I decide to run for President next term, I will work my ass for everyone's well being around here.

We got to keep in mind that before we are a political region we are a community. A community worth fighting for.

Thank you all and please share your opinion here: [B]https://harryts.typeform.com/to/eJ5UHe[/B]

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Unfallious wrote:If you're an old man in the region does that mean Jas is an urn?

Evidently so. I hope you all are okay with a box of ashes as your MoJ.

The region has its new flag!

[nation=short]Sulania[/nation]'s submission won 8 votes to 6.

Latrovia

Congratulations Minister [nation=short]Sulania[/nation]! May our region thrive under your flag. :D

Jaslandia

So apparently, legalising robot-marriage takes down your Civil Rights.

Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths

Killdash wrote:So apparently, legalising robot-marriage takes down your Civil Rights.

I was as surprised as you are.

Killdash

Continental Commonwealths wrote:I was as surprised as you are.

Very strange that, I didn't get it at all.

How is everyone?

Penguania And Antarctica

New Estaris wrote:How is everyone?

I'm good, you?

New Estaris

Kalaron wrote:I'm good, you?

I have a Danish family friend over, and he said last night that he wanted fish, so we cooked fish and the house smells bad.

New Estaris wrote:How is everyone?

I'm getting sick and up for 19 hours now. But beside this I'm doing okay.

New Estaris wrote:I have a Danish family friend over, and he said last night that he wanted fish, so we cooked fish and the house smells bad.

How'd you cook it?

I think Trump was hired by Clinton.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Aldaur wrote:I think Trump was hired by Clinton.

You somehow trumped Trump's own conspiracy theories.

Jaslandia, Killdash, Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:I think Trump was hired by Clinton.

Saucy sauce? Or just gut feeling?

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:I think Trump was hired by Clinton.

I've been saying that all along. There's nothing that leads me to believe it isn't true.

Aldaur

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus wrote:I've been saying that all along. There's nothing that leads me to believe it isn't true.

Let's face it, it wouldn't be the strangest thing you've seen in this election.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Killdash wrote:Let's face it, it wouldn't be the strangest thing you've seen in this election.

Imagine that. Donald was hired to help Hilary win, and that's why newer and bigger gaffes keep popping up, as he attempts to sabotage his campaign, all the while gaining more support.

"This was a yuge mistake, I simply can't say anything that will make these people stop voting for me".

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Continental Commonwealths wrote:You somehow trumped Trump's own conspiracy theories.

I just can't believe he is so stupid to ruin his campaign this way. A normal person would do everything they can to improve their campaign and he just does the opposite. I honestly just find this election so baffling because Clinton's campaign is so clearly corrupt and Trump is just so ridiculous. He is also not as vigorous in the presidential debates as he was in the nomination debates.

Here are just a few of the corrupt things that we know of that has come out during Clinton's campaign.

- Deletion of tens of thousands of emails

- Google's manipulation of search data in regards of Clinton

- The rigged democratic nomination against Sanders

- Her secret talks with Wallstreet

- Paid speeches for Goldman Sachs

- Silencing of Bill Clinton's accusers

- Tax exemption for Clinton Foundation and those who donate to it

Now let's look at some of the irrational things Trump's campaign has said.

- Mexicans are murderers and rapists

- grab them by the pvssy

- End NATO

- I like Putin

- 2nd Amendment people, you know what to do

- McCain and POWs are not heroes

- Insulting a gold star family

- My hands are big

- I'd do my daughter

- Look at her face, is that the face of a president?

- insult driven campaign

I don't have any evidence to say it is true or not, nor will I ever. However, I thought this in the beginning and wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. She is so thoroughly corrupt and Trump is so irrational that it begs the question of what really is happening.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Aldaur wrote:I think Trump was hired by Clinton.

Or South Park happened.

Just remember, vote for the turd sandwich

Nuremgard, Aldaur

Sulania wrote:Or South Park happened.

Just remember, vote for the turd sandwich

Or the douche bag

Aldaur wrote:Or the douche bag

Donald Trumps already in this election.

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:Or the douche bag

Actually, we were looking for "giant douche." I'm sorry Aldaur, your team has lost a point.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:I don't have any evidence to say it is true or not, nor will I ever. However, I thought this in the beginning and wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. She is so thoroughly corrupt and Trump is so irrational that it begs the question of what really is happening.

From what I've heard as well, some of Clinton's biggest backers have been members of the Saudi royal family. So we all know she wont do much to change that cosy relationship.

Aldaur

Sulania wrote:Actually, we were looking for "giant douche." I'm sorry Aldaur, your team has lost a point.

Lol so sorry

Nuremgard wrote:From what I've heard as well, some of Clinton's biggest backers have been members of the Saudi royal family. So we all know she wont do much to change that cosy relationship.

No it won't. If she pulled this off though, idk whether to be disgusted or impressed :p

Aldaur wrote:Lol so sorry

No it won't. If she pulled this off though, idk whether to be disgusted or impressed :p

To be honest she hasn't had to do much except sit back and watch Trump hand her the election.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Nuremgard wrote:To be honest she hasn't had to do much except sit back and watch Trump hand her the election.

Which is why I find it suspicious. She won from day one.

Aldaur wrote:Which is why I find it suspicious. She won from day one.

Eh. I don't care. As long as whoever wins doesn't start WW3, I'll be fine.

Aldaur wrote:Which is why I find it suspicious. She won from day one.

Goes to show how much of a poor candidate Trump is by pretty much every measurement. As the old saying goes, "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity."

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Jaslandia wrote:Goes to show how much of a poor candidate Trump is by pretty much every measurement. As the old saying goes, "Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity."

But idk if I buy that he is stupid. Sure, he's an ass, but he did use the system to make self pretty rich. I've also listened to him talk about the market and his business and it is clear that he is a very intelligent man. He isn't a stupid person, and I am sure he can rationalize using a filter when he is on stage. It would be too irrational to think he got this far and was intelligent enough to use the system for his benefit, and then so nonchalantly muck it all up.

Aldaur wrote:But idk if I buy that he is stupid. Sure, he's an ass, but he did use the system to make self pretty rich. I've also listened to him talk about the market and his business and it is clear that he is a very intelligent man. He isn't a stupid person, and I am sure he can rationalize using a filter when he is on stage. It would be too irrational to think he got this far and was intelligent enough to use the system for his benefit, and then so nonchalantly muck it all up.

Firstly, having the resources to hire advisors who can feed him a comprehensible financial policy does not make him intelligent.

Secondly, he was made rich only by having an incredible starting advantage. He certainly wouldn't be the first person to have managed such a feat.

Thirdly, being intelligent- if one were to comtend that he is such- and being capable of instilling a measured, charismatic, and confident public persona are not one of the same.

But I'm still reeling by the "very intelligent man" comment, to be honest. I choked and almost died on this pizza.

Jaslandia

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Firstly, having the resources to hire advisors who can feed him a comprehensible financial policy does not make him intelligent.

Secondly, he was made rich only by having an incredible starting advantage. He certainly wouldn't be the first person to have managed such a feat.

Thirdly, being intelligent- if one were to comtend that he is such- and being capable of instilling a measured, charismatic, and confident public persona are not one of the same.

But I'm still reeling by the "very intelligent man" comment, to be honest. I choked and almost died on this pizza.

He used that advice and made himself even wealthier. That is not something all businessmen can do. A lot of people fail in the business world, so it takes some degree of intelligence to succeed. Yes, he started with a significant boost, but as did many others, and yet they still failed. He also was very successful in media and the entertainment industry.

What spoils his intelligence is the fact that we don't like him and that he doesn't sound intelligent. People said the same thing about George W. Bush, but I guarantee you that he is likely smarter than any of us here. In fact, you cannot be stupid and be a Presidential candidate. This is less about him being intelligent and more about not being stupid. Trump is not stupid enough for me to believe that he did this on his own.

This election was decided before the first primary vote was cast. Just as it was predetermined that Obozo would win in 2008 and 2012, it is fixed for Billary in 2016. As uninformed and idiotic as the American electorate is, I still cannot see them legitimately electing a socialist candidate 3 times in a row (especially the 2nd and 3rd time, the first time could be chalked up to an error in judgement).

Shaggyofwv wrote:This election was decided before the first primary vote was cast. Just as it was predetermined that Obozo would win in 2008 and 2012, it is fixed for Billary in 2016. As uninformed and idiotic as the American electorate is, I still cannot see them legitimately electing a socialist candidate 3 times in a row (especially the 2nd and 3rd time, the first time could be chalked up to an error in judgement).

While I agree that the election is rigged, in that the electoral system is created this way to vote insiders into office, but Clinton is very far from a socialist. She is almost the exact opposite.

Aldaur wrote:He used that advice and made himself even wealthier. That is not something all businessmen can do. A lot of people fail in the business world, so it takes some degree of intelligence to succeed. Yes, he started with a significant boost, but as did many others, and yet they still failed. He also was very successful in media and the entertainment industry.

What spoils his intelligence is the fact that we don't like him and that he doesn't sound intelligent. People said the same thing about George W. Bush, but I guarantee you that he is likely smarter than any of us here. In fact, you cannot be stupid and be a Presidential candidate. This is less about him being intelligent and more about not being stupid. Trump is not stupid enough for me to believe that he did this on his own.

You make the strangest and most grandiose conjecture-infused statements that it's often at times difficult to keep up.

All the same, I do believe he's stupid enough to have allowed his campaign to falter the way it has. He too often took the advice of poor allies, he sided with those who could only hurt his image while isolating himself from those that could assist in own partial salvation, and his past is so filled with skeletons- ones that I daresay result from his unintelligent and careless actions- that he has wrought precisely what he has sowed.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:You make the strangest and most grandiose conjecture-infused statements that it's often at times difficult to keep up.

All the same, I do believe he's stupid enough to have allowed his campaign to falter the way it has. He too often took the advice of poor allies, he sided with those who could only hurt his image while isolating himself from those that could assist in own partial salvation, and his past is so filled with skeletons- ones that I daresay result from his unintelligent and careless actions- that he has wrought precisely what he has sowed.

I'll just say to agree to disagree.

Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Aldaur wrote:But idk if I buy that he is stupid. Sure, he's an ass, but he did use the system to make self pretty rich. I've also listened to him talk about the market and his business and it is clear that he is a very intelligent man. He isn't a stupid person, and I am sure he can rationalize using a filter when he is on stage. It would be too irrational to think he got this far and was intelligent enough to use the system for his benefit, and then so nonchalantly muck it all up.

While Trump certainly had advantages in business, and even then his business record his mixed, I still think he's at least somewhat intelligent. I think what we see of Donald Trump is a combination of his stubborn and brash personality, and a persona he's been cultivating for himself for years. I think his public personality is partly because he can't control his flaws (stubbornness, can't accept blame, thin-skinned), and partly because he realized long ago that he could take advantage of what would ordinarily be flaws to launch himself into celebrity status. That in itself takes a bit of cunning.

Shaggyofwv wrote:This election was decided before the first primary vote was cast. Just as it was predetermined that Obozo would win in 2008 and 2012, it is fixed for Billary in 2016. As uninformed and idiotic as the American electorate is, I still cannot see them legitimately electing a socialist candidate 3 times in a row (especially the 2nd and 3rd time, the first time could be chalked up to an error in judgement).

Clinton and Obama are both extremely far from socialists. In fact, many have called Clinton a corporatist (I personally wouldn't go that far, but I'd say she is more business-friendly and more influenced by big money compared to other Democrats like Obama and Elizabeth Warren).

Also, while our electoral system has many problems, I would hardly call it rigged; in fact, actually voter fraud is extremely rare based on previous elections.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:All the same, I do believe he's stupid enough to have allowed his campaign to falter the way it has. He too often took the advice of poor allies, he sided with those who could only hurt his image while isolating himself from those that could assist in own partial salvation, and his past is so filled with skeletons- ones that I daresay result from his unintelligent and careless actions- that he has wrought precisely what he has sowed.

Personally, I would chalk all that up to stubbornness and his inability to accept he is wrong, rather than general stupidity. Trump had lots of people telling him to change and become better, but he couldn't accept the fact that his current persona won't win him the election.

Aldaur, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus

Trump? Hillary?

Gees, if you guys are stressed out about these two, just wait till 2020.

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Jaslandia wrote:

Also, while our electoral system has many problems, I would hardly call it rigged; in fact, actually voter fraud is extremely rare based on previous elections.

When I say rigged, I mean that the system is made in a way to keep radicals out, which I view as a positive and a negative. But people like Trump or Sanders will never win the Presidency without winning over the party establishment. Naturally, radicals can't do that.

Aldaur wrote:When I say rigged, I mean that the system is made in a way to keep radicals out, which I view as a positive and a negative. But people like Trump or Sanders will never win the Presidency without winning over the party establishment. Naturally, radicals can't do that.

Alright, that I can understand; I'm not sure about the general election, but the primary system of both parties include things like super-delegates and unbound delegates specifically to tip the balance in favor of more moderate (and inevitably, pro-establishment) candidate. After the Democrats lost big-time with radical George McGovern in 1972, they decided they needed a system to stop radicals who wouldn't stand a chance in the general from getting the nomination, with the Republicans adopting a similar system around the same time.

However, Trump shows this system can be bucked, and super-delegates and such only make a difference in really close primaries; not only are there not enough super-delegates to make a huge difference, but since the party elites don't like to be seen as violating the will of the people, they'll likely shift to the anti-establishment candidate if it is obvious the the anti-establishment candidate can win even without super-delegates.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

Killdash, Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:Alright, that I can understand; I'm not sure about the general election, but the primary system of both parties include things like super-delegates and unbound delegates specifically to tip the balance in favor of more moderate (and inevitably, pro-establishment) candidate. After the Democrats lost big-time with radical George McGovern in 1972, they decided they needed a system to stop radicals who wouldn't stand a chance in the general from getting the nomination, with the Republicans adopting a similar system around the same time.

However, Trump shows this system can be bucked, and super-delegates and such only make a difference in really close primaries; not only are there not enough super-delegates to make a huge difference, but since the party elites don't like to be seen as violating the will of the people, they'll likely shift to the anti-establishment candidate if it is obvious the the anti-establishment candidate can win even without super-delegates.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

Republicans don't have super delegates. I wonder if they will get them after this.

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:Republicans don't have super delegates. I wonder if they will get them after this.

They don't have super-delegates per se, but they still have a somewhat similar system where party elites can influence who gets nominated.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/141611-does-the-gop-have-superdelegates-the-republican-partys-nomination-rules-are-different-this-year

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:They don't have super-delegates per se, but they still have a somewhat similar system where party elites can influence who gets nominated.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/141611-does-the-gop-have-superdelegates-the-republican-partys-nomination-rules-are-different-this-year

Still. Every little bit helps. I wonder if the Republican Party will drift more towards libertarian thought as a way to distance themselves from the failed AltRight movement of Trump.

Jaslandia, New Estaris

Who wants to make a poli-party?

Aldaur wrote:Still. Every little bit helps. I wonder if the Republican Party will drift more towards libertarian thought as a way to distance themselves from the failed AltRight movement of Trump.

I'm thinking the party will either shift in a Ted Cruz-like social conservative direction, or a Paul Ryan-like moderate direction. Cruz and Ryan and their factions are both quite influential in the Republican Party, while the libertarian elements in the party aren't particularly influential and are mostly limited to a few people like Rand Paul.

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:I'm thinking the party will either shift in a Ted Cruz-like social conservative direction, or a Paul Ryan-like moderate direction. Cruz and Ryan and their factions are both quite influential in the Republican Party, while the libertarian elements in the party aren't particularly influential and are mostly limited to a few people like Rand Paul.

It looks to me like there are a few factions in the Republican party. The traditionalist Pence-ians (party leadership), the radical Cruzites (second most popular), the AltRight Trumpists (most popular among the grassroots), Libertarian Paulists (very small but growing), and the moderate Ryanites (quite unpopular). I wonder which will win the Republican internal civil war :p I have a feeling that a more charismatic and presidential version of Trump will come along and be the Reagan for the AltRight sometime in the future though.

Jaslandia

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