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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Eh, not my problem anymore
Penguania And Antarctica
I myself, including my family, were lucky enough to immigrate to a western country following the collapse of one of history's greatest failures of a socialist experiment.
Because of the fact that we came from such a government, we had little more than the clothing on our backs, a few family heirlooms, and a bundle of useless commie banknotes on ourselves when we came. Despite neither of my parents' well respected degrees and former occupations being recognized in the west, we still made it out from living on welfare in the first couple of months, to them and my siblings living within the middle class bracket (again, despite the fact that my parents were not able to get their former degrees recognized for related work in the new country, they couldn't get well-paying jobs right off the bat).
Every single one of my friends who were also immigrants from my old country also made it to currently living within a middle class bracket, essentially having to start out fresh here because obviously former experience and degrees are not recognized here.
Coming from people who have firsthand actually experienced it, not a single one of us, or them, miss communism.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I wasn't referring to you. No need to get upset over that.
You said it wasn't true because of your own personal experience which is irrelevant to what he said
Well then that is tantamount to me saying that everything you post on this RMB and even discord is irrelevant. Or just you in general are irrelevant. It does not matter if you were referring to him or not. As I have stated twice already, this is a public RMB chat. Therefore, it does not matter who you are talking people, people are going to interject whether you like it or not. If you do not like it then do not discuss controversial topics such as politics in public or have the conversation in TG if you cannot refrain from referring to someone that differs from you or comes to the defense of someone else as irrelevant because then you won't like the backlash. You already quit RPs because things did not go your way. Jeez, you are making quite the track record for yourself.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Jesus Christ, I'm not a communist. I'm a leftist. And good for you and your mates. Is my experience somehow devalued or rendered worthless because yours was different? What do you want me to say? Wow, you escaped from a communist sh!thole so I'll turn into a Conservative overnight?
Mmk. Well let me tell you something. Communists like myself don't base their beliefs on their emotions, but rather their experiences and trends. That's all Communism and socialism is, really. Just an analyzation of ongoing trends and postulations about what will happen as a result.
Marx actually called his Dialectical Materialism, or rather his idea that history progresses logically and economic systems change over time, Scientific Socialism.
And, his ideas are becoming more and more true each year. That's not emotion, that's a hypothesis coming true. A purely scientific thing.
And, secondly, what should be is not what is. Plenty of fired up socialists that call for armed revolts (the ones you hear on TV and the ones that have also given people like myself a bad name) and all that wonderful stuff have an issue with this fact, and it appears you do too. Politics is not based solely on fact and clear logical thinking, no matter how much you think it should. It is an emotional affair, and always will be so long as we are humans that have basic emotions.
No it wasn't! It was relevant. And I am done talking about this. Go be in a bad mood somewhere else
Lord Jesus Christ Almighty! I come back on and 500+ RMB messages about politics! (*Shoots self*)
Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Penguania And Antarctica, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Guys lets take a break shall we? Calm down and come back online in 10 minutes
Penguania And Antarctica
...anywho, PARTICIPATE IN THE CURRENT PLR ELECTIONS...your vote will truly make an impact and how the PLR works with the international community
Russkov Soviet, Penguania And Antarctica, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Apparently socialism is purely only based on emotion. Man, who would've thought I would have needed to go to college, learn philosophy, and then spend 5 months reading up on just one guy's life time worth of writings just to understand a purely emotional ideology!
Nuremgard
Just stop it
And apparently because some guy online said him and his family and his friends all got off welfare in a few months and became middle class, I should bow down and recognise their superiority and their greater ideology. I suppose luck had f*ck all to do with it.
Please stop
Nope, I'm telling you about my background and why I, among many that I know who have a similar background to me, do not lean far left. I wrote this as more of a cautionary tale to not blindly jump into wanting to bite off more than you can chew regarding socialism, especially if you haven't experienced it firsthand.
Mind you, I'm not speaking out against socialism as a whole, rather only the more extreme leanings towards it.
Also I have not said anything about conservationism or liberalism, so you are the one who is trying to shift the topic and create a strawman here.
Cheers!
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Oh, no f*cking wonder. These are your people, dude.
Oh no, BitchFried is here!
(You guys seriously didn't believe me when I said I was a bulldog, did y'all?)
I just don't want there to be another argument
Friedensreich
End of the Road, it's an indie festival and they even have one of those naked art workshops with Iggy Pop as the naked model. I mean a naked Iggy Pop, sat there with his tackle out. That's the kind of festival I pay good money for.
Penguania And Antarctica, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Well I don't know why you're talking about far left ideology because I'm not a far leftist nor was I advocating for a far leftist government.
You got away from a crappy place and your family became self-made in a new place. Good for you. And thanks for your cautionary tale of wisdom about socialism.
Oh come on, you guys get all the fun while I'm shampooing the carpets to earn money to go to Holiday World with my friends before class starts, and I can't get my two pfennigs in?
Marx made predictions, yes, such as class warfare being inevitable. However, his solutions are purely emotional. Believing that the workers should run their machines because they work it, that there should be no currency, no borders, etcetera, this is all utopic thinking.
The only scientific thing I can really think of of Marx is LTV, which fails miserably when applied to the real world.
You said you were a Marxist a few days ago
Auxorii
Yeah, a Marxist in the sense I believe class is man's greatest divider. I never said I was a f*cking communist.
I have not mentioned anything about my ideology in that rmb post, and I have said nothing about myself being superior to you.
Yukona
You wrote your personal story as if it was some pearl of wisdom thrown before a socialist swine, sagely warning me about having socialist views.
Man just calm down
Clemodecralia, Yukona
Cut it out now or I'll end the conversation for you.
Yukona
What if it is true? Have you thought about that?
Post by Nuremgard suppressed by Magnatronia.
Yup. Patronise me. That's a surefire way to get me to believe in your ideology.
Jesus Christ you guys have a "constable"?
Bloody.......
I can't look at this clusterf*ck anymore. Logging out
Yukona
I read that as I'll end the two of you and I was pleasantly surprised
Magnatronia
Based on your rmb posts, I have gotten the impression that you lean pretty far left. Regardless of whether or not I was right in my assumption, there is no reason to attack me, just correct me and move on.
Yukona
...and this is why I'm glad I have my own ideology
Yukona
I don't consider myself far-left but if you do then that's your prerogative.
Yukona
You mean like Duke? People called him a bulldog because he wouldn't let go when Sir Handel/Falcon was dangling over a cliff edge.
https://youtu.be/UD3wTvwS_HQ
Jaslandia
Gotcha, I was mistaken then.
Yukona
Can you just stop? I am just trying to have a conversation here but it is really difficult, especially if you can't answer simple questions
Yukona
Yeah. Now no more arguing. Had enough of that sh!t already on the RMB. Our region must be on a permanent watch list by the NS Stasi.
Jaslandia
See above.
Can you guys actually stop? I don't like suppressing posts.
Who am I kidding, I do, but I don't wanna muck up the RMB.
Jaslandia, Tserra, Yukona, United Continental States
Thank you.
Well I am using NS++ so it's more like below
Whatever. So long as you can read it.
https://youtu.be/e7kJRGPgvRQ
I think a vodka is what I'm needing right now. Or a whisky.
Actually, that's wrong on many levels. Marx was an empiricist. In other words, he was steeped in fact. He rarely made any normative claims, and instead based nearly all of his ideology on philosophical and real fact. Hence the "Scientific Socialism" moniker.
He claimed what will happen, not what should.
The workers should have the fruits of their labor, according to Marx, because the fruits of the worker's labor is an extension of himself. Following Hegel, he claimed that the selling of one's labor and its products is alienation, which should (one of his rare normative statements, of which was based on past philosophic concepts) not be the case, and will not be the case when communism comes.
However, his claims about human nature were based in fact. In his Theses on Feuerbach, he cited Feuerbach and argued that social relations are the cause of changes in human nature, and later explained his reasoning through his The German Ideology, where he showed history, explained its social relations and means of production, and explained how it has changed to today's liberal society. He then follows this train of thought and applies it to what he believes will be the future; one where the poor are disenfranchised and will revolt against the wealthy elite.
Explaining why he said this above society will emerge is based on Kapital, where he used his Labor Theory of Value to explain how automation will make capitalists rich, and everyone else not so much. And, if I may add, LVT is almost identical to Human Capital Theory, which has been posited not even 20 years ago by neoliberal economists from the U. of Chicago. In addition, Creative Destruction by Schumpeter plays into Marx's thoughts about how automation will lead to workers being disenfranchised and replaced.
Yukona
Jaslandia
Lynchburg Lemonade
Vista Major
Because vodka and Southern Comfort are all I have at hand right now. Well actually now that I mention it, I don't have either at the moment. My whisky is at home and my mum doesn't drink any more so there's no vodka.
Vista Major, Yukona
With arguments like these, it's a small wonder why we're on NationStates instead of in any form of government :L
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Vista Major, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I couldn't be a politician. I'd get done for assault in Parliament on a daily basis.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Lex Caledonia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I hear you, I'd go mental in parliament.
Nuremgard
How dare you!
Well, y'all know my favorite drink, so I'll refrain from oogling about it.
Yukona
Gosh Trump is such an idiot
http://www.dailywire.com/news/18970/fact-check-amazon-paying-taxes-aaron-bandler?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro#
Friedensreich
I'd be the best filibusterer in Congress, lemme tell you :P
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
I swear, I dunno how Sturgeon has not given that Davidson cow a Glesga Kiss yet. Her hair would protect her from the heavy blow to Davidson's massive heid.
Lex Caledonia
You'd be getting sh!t thrown at you from me then lol.
A lot of us knew this simple truth before he got elected.
Jaslandia, Friedensreich
We'd probably be in the same party. My beliefs aside from the communist ones (which I have explained at length that I treat more like a religion because it is based on a lot of conviction and faith) are fairly centrist albeit still pretty damned libertarian.
I just think he is amusing, and I love how he is able to troll the sh!t out of people. But he is so fvcking stupid at the same time
Oh, even if we're in the same party you're still getting sh!t thrown at you lol. I hate filibusters.
I shudder to think how I used to support the guy because I thought he would mend our relationship with Russia. That's the only reason I like the guy, and within a month of his victory I regretted it deeply.
Nuremgard
I found him amusing when he was running. Now that he is actually in charge of the world's most powerful nation, with the codes to thousands of nukes at fingertips, he is just terrifying precisely because of how thick he is.
I thought his idea about improving relations with Russia was the only sane thing he ever said.
That, and quitting the intervention policy
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
In the end though, I didn't end up voting for him, so it's all good! #JillNotHill
Once the news came out that he colluded with Russia (and now that its all proven true by his government's actions), I really dislike the guy, bordering on hating him for his stupidity.
Yes. We need less of America and the West's policing, not more. But he wanted to look big and strong so he sent a few missiles to Syria. Then his supporters are like, "OMG how could you betray us like that?!"
It's a bit like asking a butcher, "OMG, why are you cutting up that lamb?!"
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I always hated him well before he became America's Orange Emperor.
Friedensreich
[nation=short]Magnatronia[/nation]
I don't think suppressing posts just to end a conversation is the right way. The suppression power should just be used for cases where our rules and values got violated by an individual.
But suppressing posts to end an argument that is annoying is an infringement of free speech since the conversation partners shall determine on their own when to stop.
I don't want to be the mean guy but I think you should unsuppress posts which aren't violating our rules.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Clemodecralia, Continental Commonwealths, Friedensreich, Kalaron, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Loved his boy scout speech
Though Mag's enforcement style is up to him, I did find him suppressing those posts a bit odd when seemingly no rules were violated. I TGed him a little while ago, and hopefully we can reach some sort of agreement.
Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
I scanned my eyes over an article in the Guardian about it. Couldn't give a sh!t to be honest. Just Trump being Trump. But as I said earlier, him encouraging the kids to boo his rivals and talking about politics made me think of the Hitler Youth.
Oh, God, a Trump Youth. All the poor weans would need to be sprayed with fake tan until they resembled Oompa Loompas and wear roadkill as wigs.
Friedensreich
Update on the elections:
Fattah and Samson are tied with 50/50 of the vote.
Nobody has voted for Bogdan. If this continues, there will definitely be a new President of the PLR
Yeah, I suggest you just listen to the speech before you listen to Guardian and their BS
I've no interest in his speech or anything the man said. I've got better things to do with my time. Like talk on NationStates about the speech I have no interest in watching.
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Post self-deleted by Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth.
Are you criticizing THE LAW?[/B][/I]
Nah I'm just kidding I'll talk to RCP about this.
Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, United Continental States
I think it's the duty of a citizen to question laws and those who execute them. And [nation=short]Kalaron[/nation] can confirm that I question a lot of stuff. :)
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Republic City Police, Friedensreich, Kalaron
going to be closing the polls soon for the PLR election
Who are the 5 dirty centrist fence sitters? :P
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I thought you said face sitters
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
That's for another chat entirely.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Get your mind out of the gutter, Mag! jk
Nuremgard, Clemodecralia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica
Link them for me. The original got lost in the 300 RMB messages I have
Jaslandia, Andromitus, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
A redneck called me a commie for supporting Sanders.
Andromitus
The Vote is over:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=peoples_liberation_republic/detail=factbook/id=859499
Andromitus
Can you imagine literally no one voting for the incumbent president in real life?!
Peoples Liberation Republic
I chose Left, but I'm still uncertain. Because I'm always willing to allow my opinion to change if new evidence is brought forward.
Clemodecralia, Vista Major, The United Providences Of Perland
Jesus Mag calm your suppressions.
Jaslandia, Vista Major, Andromitus
1st Address of the new PLR President:
http://thecoffincofn.boards.net/thread/9/united-states-national-news-broadcast?page=1&scrollTo=84
The boy must learn as I have, as have my father and my father before him.
SCIENCE
Onocarcass, Jaslandia, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland
What a complicated family tree
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Guys, calm down or I'll be forced to suppress everyone.
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Bring it on, ya pleb!
The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Clemodecralia, Penguania And Antarctica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-KcQVgi7Ns
Oh jeez, I see a lot of suppressions/unsuppression.
Penguania And Antarctica
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