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When do you think life begins? And when does a foetus gain personhood?

Jaslandia

Aldaur wrote:When do you think life begins? And when does a foetus gain personhood?

I measure it by the same standard as death, brain activity.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:I measure it by the same standard as death, brain activity.

Same. I usually base it on a combination of brain activity, heart beat, and ability to feel pain.

Aldaur

Kalaron wrote:I measure it by the same standard as death, brain activity.

Jaslandia wrote:Same. I usually base it on a combination of brain activity, heart beat, and ability to feel pain.

So is that for life or personhood? Do you think they are the same?

Jaslandia

Baxten wrote:Not yet. It's finished, and I'll let people claim land when I can get the page up tonight.

tfw stayed up and still no page up to claim land

rly hoping the page isn't set up while I'm asleep and someone steals Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritime provinces bc only eastern Canada is and ever can be Kumania

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:tfw stayed up and still no page up to claim land

rly hoping the page isn't set up while I'm asleep and someone steals Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritime provinces bc only eastern Canada is and ever can be Kumania

Sorry. I took some NyQuil and passed out. Developing a cold right now, so I'm treying to take care of that.

Hello friends and foes. Have a nice relaxing Sunday.

[spoiler=Today are:]

Today are:

- Asarah B'Tevet (Israel)

- Babinden (Belarus, Russia)

- Commonwealth Day (Northern Mariana Islands)

- Earth's Rotation Day

- Male Watcher's Day

- National Argyle Day (United States)

- National Bubble Bath Day (United States)

- National English Toffee Day (United States)

- National JoyGerm Day (United States)

- National Sunday Supper Day (United States)

- National Winter Skin Relief Day (United States)

- Show & Tell At Work Day

- Typing Day

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[spoiler=This day in history:]

This day in history:

- 307 – Jin Huidi, Chinese Emperor of the Jin dynasty, is poisoned and succeeded by his son Jin Huaidi.

- 871 – Alfred the Great leads a West Saxon army to repel an invasion by Danelaw Vikings.

- 1297 – François Grimaldi, disguised as a monk, leads his men to capture the fortress protecting the Rock of Monaco, establishing his family as the rulers of Monaco.

- 1454 – The papal bull Romanus Pontifex awards the Kingdom of Portugal exclusive trade and colonization rights to all of Africa south of Cape Bojador.

- 1499 – Louis XII of France marries Anne of Brittany.

- 1547 – The first Lithuanian-language book, Simple Words of Catechism, is published in Königsberg.

- 1697 – Last execution for blasphemy in Britain; of Thomas Aikenhead, student, at Edinburgh.

- 1735 – Premiere performance of George Frideric Handel's Ariodante at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden.

- 1790 – George Washington delivers the first State of the Union address in New York City.

- 1806 – Cape Colony becomes a British colony.

- 1811 – An unsuccessful slave revolt is led by Charles Deslondes in St. Charles and St. James, Louisiana.

- 1835 – The United States national debt is zero for the only time.

- 1867 – African American men are granted the right to vote in Washington, D.C.

- 1877 – Crazy Horse and his warriors fight their last battle against the United States Cavalry at Wolf Mountain, Montana Territory.

- 1889 – Herman Hollerith is issued US patent #395,791 for the 'Art of Applying Statistics' — his punched card calculator.

- 1904 – The Blackstone Library is dedicated, marking the beginning of the Chicago Public Library system.

- 1912 – The African National Congress is founded.

- 1918 – U.S. President Woodrow Wilson announces his "Fourteen Points" for the aftermath of World War I.

- 1926 – Crown Prince Nguyễn Phúc Vĩnh Thuỵ ascends the throne, the last monarch of Vietnam.

- 1940 – World War II: Britain introduces food rationing.

- 1945 – World War II: Philippine Commonwealth troops under the Philippine Commonwealth Army units enter the province of Ilocos Sur in Northern Luzon and attack Japanese Imperial forces.

- 1956 – Operation Auca: Five U.S. missionaries are killed by the Huaorani of Ecuador shortly after making contact with them.

- 1961 – In France a referendum supports Charles de Gaulle's policies in Algeria.

- 1962 – The Harmelen train disaster killed 93 people in the Netherlands.

- 1963 – Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa is exhibited in the United States for the first time, at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C.

- 1964 – President Lyndon B. Johnson declares a "War on Poverty" in the United States.

- 1973 – Soviet space mission Luna 21 is launched.

- 1973 – Watergate scandal: The trial of seven men accused of illegal entry into Democratic Party headquarters at Watergate begins.

- 1975 – Ella T. Grasso becomes Governor of Connecticut, the first woman to serve as a Governor in the United States other than by succeeding her husband.

- 1977 – Three bombs explode in Moscow, Russia, Soviet Union, within 37 minutes, killing seven. The bombings are attributed to an Armenian separatist group.

- 1979 – Password Plus debuts on NBC.

- 1981 – A local farmer reports a UFO sighting in Trans-en-Provence, France, claimed to be "perhaps the most completely and carefully documented sighting of all time".

- 1982 – Breakup of the Bell System: AT&T agrees to divest itself of twenty-two subdivisions.

- 1989 – Kegworth air disaster: British Midland Flight 92, a Boeing 737-400, crashes into the M1 motorway, killing 47 of the 126 people on board.

- 1994 – Russian cosmonaut Valeri Polyakov on Soyuz TM-18 leaves for Mir. He would stay on the space station until March 22, 1995, for a record 437 days in space.

- 2002 – President George W. Bush signs into law the No Child Left Behind Act.

- 2004 – The RMS Queen Mary 2, the largest ocean liner ever built, is christened by her namesake's granddaughter, Queen Elizabeth II.

- 2005 – The nuclear sub USS San Francisco collides at full speed with an undersea mountain south of Guam. One man is killed, but the sub surfaces and is repaired.

- 2009 – A 6.1-magnitude earthquake in northern Costa Rica kills 15 people and injures 32.

- 2010 – Gunmen from an offshoot the Front for the Liberation of the Enclave of Cabinda attack a bus carrying the Togo national football team on its way to the 2010 Africa Cup of Nations, killing three.

- 2011 – The attempted assassination of Arizona Representative Gabrielle Giffords and subsequent shooting in Casas Adobes, Arizona, in which five people were shot dead.

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[spoiler=Famous Birthdays:]

Famous Birthdays:

- 1823 – Alfred Russel Wallace, Welsh-English geographer, biologist, and explorer

- 1867 – Emily Greene Balch, American economist and author, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1891 – Walther Bothe, German physicist and academic, Nobel Prize laureate

- 1894 – Maximilian Kolbe, Polish martyr and saint

- 1909 – Willy Millowitsch, German actor, director, and screenwriter

- 1912 – José Ferrer, Puerto Rican-American actor and director

- 1923 – Joseph Weizenbaum, German-American computer scientist and author

- 1934 – Jacques Anquetil, French cyclist

- 1935 – Elvis Presley, American singer, guitarist, and actor

- 1937 – Shirley Bassey, Welsh singer

- 1941 – Graham Chapman, English actor and screenwriter (Monty Python)

- 1942 – Stephen Hawking, English physicist and author

- 1947 – David Bowie, English singer-songwriter, producer, and actor

- 1967 – R. Kelly, American singer-songwriter, record producer, and former professional basketball player

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Quote of the day

Without tradition, art is a flock of sheep without a shepherd. Without innovation, it is a corpse.

- Winston Churchill -

Note: Penguania_And_Antarctica assumes no responsibility or guarantee for correctness of any given information. Any recourse to courts of law is excluded.

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Oelesa, Senatus Popolusque Mercunovus, Percyton

Just wanted to say, I support Keith Ellison for DNC Chair.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia

Magnatronia, dude, I'm not making up anything I've said about the whole Kongo rp, seriously look it up, Sudkivu [aka South Kivu] is a southernmost province Kongo, seriously, look up, like, a map of the area and about 5 minutes of research and the whole experience is really nice :P

Aldaur wrote:So is that for life or personhood? Do you think they are the same?

For me, it's for life. Personhood (at least to me) has more to do with sapience, and the ability to act with reason and proper judgement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom#Sapience

Aldaur

The Union Party applauds Mdogo's ascension to the Ministry of Justice, and wish him the best of luck in the future!

Percyton

Vista Major wrote:The Union Party applauds Mdogo's ascension to the Ministry of Justice, and wish him the best of luck in the future!

You could easily just say "Vista Major applauds Mdogo's ascension to the Ministry of Justice, and wish him the best of luck in the future!" since it's the exact same thing.

Bearlong, Vista Major, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:You could easily just say "Vista Major applauds Mdogo's ascension to the Ministry of Justice, and wish him the best of luck in the future!" since it's the exact same thing.

That's what telegrams are for

Andromitus

Finished the ITF Charter (with heavy inspiration from the NATO Treaty).

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=baxten/detail=factbook/id=458112

Aldaur, Vista Major

Baxten wrote:Finished the ITF Charter (with heavy inspiration from the NATO Treaty).

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=baxten/detail=factbook/id=458112

*faints*

Percyton

Vista Major wrote:*faints*

Alrighty then. What do others think?

Baxten wrote:Alrighty then. What do others think?

I totally agree, but, but, I may have just slightly broken articles 1 and 6 during with my involvement in Kongo

In short, I entered into Khutonga [Kongo, Congo] with a military escort and began non-military actions that included humanitarian aid and economic "research" regarding the southern provinces of the region. I then came under attack from the so called NICA and engaged them, than my zone was directly attacked by a non-member nation [Magnatronia] in which case I defended myself by driving them out of my occupied region with force and continued to push them out of the south.

So does this break either of those articles? and if so, How should I proceed?

Seriously are there more than 4 people reading the DIP?

If not well then I am sorry to disappoint those which read it because it isn't worth the effort drafting it then.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seriously are there more than 4 people reading the DIP?

If not well then I am sorry to disappoint those which read it because it isn't worth the effort drafting it then.

I read it. Peng, if you want others to help you with it, I'm sure more than Merc will help. Unfortunately I really can't, but others will.

Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:I totally agree, but, but, I may have just slightly broken articles 1 and 6 during with my involvement in Kongo

In short, I entered into Khutonga [Kongo, Congo] with a military escort and began non-military actions that included humanitarian aid and economic "research" regarding the southern provinces of the region. I then came under attack from the so called NICA and engaged them, than my zone was directly attacked by a non-member nation [Magnatronia] in which case I defended myself by driving them out of my occupied region with force and continued to push them out of the south.

So does this break either of those articles? and if so, How should I proceed?

First of all, what is the NICA. And no you didn't break any rules. It sounds like a defensive thing.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Seriously are there more than 4 people reading the DIP?

If not well then I am sorry to disappoint those which read it because it isn't worth the effort drafting it then.

If you're going by number of likes, I've seen plenty of times when your DIPs had more than 4 likes. Readership goes up and down, but I know I read them every day, and I enjoy them every time.

Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Vista Major wrote:*faints*

You alright, Vista? Should I have my driver call an ambulance?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:- Show & Tell At Work Day

I should try to get that started on the railway. I know my driver has been keeping a collection of memorabilia from my various accidents that I could bring in: a Mr. Jolly bobblehead that I got after I crashed into Mr. Jolly's Chocolate Factory, a floorboard from the brakevan that I crashed into one time, some dirt from the bank of dirt that stopped me after I ran away from Gordon, etc.

Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Andromitus wrote:I totally agree, but, but, I may have just slightly broken articles 1 and 6 during with my involvement in Kongo

In short, I entered into Khutonga [Kongo, Congo] with a military escort and began non-military actions that included humanitarian aid and economic "research" regarding the southern provinces of the region. I then came under attack from the so called NICA and engaged them, than my zone was directly attacked by a non-member nation [Magnatronia] in which case I defended myself by driving them out of my occupied region with force and continued to push them out of the south.

So does this break either of those articles? and if so, How should I proceed?

By the way, no harsh feelings dude. I just enjoy being the bad guy for fun. We still cool.

Magnatronia wrote:By the way, no harsh feelings dude. I just enjoy being the bad guy for fun. We still cool.

totally! it's just an RP, no IRL consequences for its outcomes!

Baxten wrote:First of all, what is the NICA. And no you didn't break any rules. It sounds like a defensive thing.

Oh come on Baxten I know you weren't paying attention to the IC, but at least remember the In game factions that you made :P BTW you called it the New Islamic Caliphate of Africa :D

Magnatronia

Andromitus wrote:totally! it's just an RP, no IRL consequences for its outcomes!

Oh come on Baxten I know you weren't paying attention to the IC, but at least remember the In game factions that you made :P BTW you called it the New Islamic Caliphate of Africa :D

Silly me, I forgot that that was their acronym. I just call them the Caliphate, but they're still fair game. They do pose a threat to stability and justice, anyways.

Andromitus

Baxten wrote:Finished the ITF Charter (with heavy inspiration from the NATO Treaty).

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=baxten/detail=factbook/id=458112

I'm curious as to why a trade federation would need some sort of military co-operation. However, I can't say that I'm aware if that sort of thing actually happens.

Vista Major

Bearlong wrote:I'm curious as to why a trade federation would need some sort of military co-operation. However, I can't say that I'm aware if that sort of thing actually happens.

The "Trade Federation" part is from Star Wars Episdoe I (the Galactic Trade Federation). Also, I have no better names; the ITF is much closer to NATO than it is to, say, NAFTA or something like that.

Baxten wrote:

Silly me, I forgot that that was their acronym. I just call them the Caliphate, but they're still fair game. They do pose a threat to stability and justice, anyways.

But no need to blow them off the face of the Earth like God did the Twin Cities

Baxten wrote:

The "Trade Federation" part is from Star Wars Episdoe I (the Galactic Trade Federation). Also, I have no better names; the ITF is much closer to NATO than it is to, say, NAFTA or something like that.

There needs to be some more counter alliances round these parts

Continental Commonwealths

Vista Major wrote:But no need to blow them off the face of the Earth like God did the Twin Cities

I mean, I know you're basically Sweden, but they really do pose a threat to all of us.

Vista Major wrote:There needs to be some more counter alliances round these parts

I agree; Flynn has one, but it never took off. I may totally restrict new members into the ITF to let Flynn build up his alliance.

Vista Major

Vista Major wrote:There needs to be some more counter alliances round these parts

I would create some kind of Comintern-esque thing but I'm waiting for the new map system to form.

Unfallious wrote:I would create some kind of Comintern-esque thing but I'm waiting for the new map system to form.

If you did that that'd be amazing. Unfortunately, I've got lots of homework at the moment, but i may be able to do it today.

Unfallious wrote:I would create some kind of Comintern-esque thing but I'm waiting for the new map system to form.

May I partake?

Bearlong wrote:May I partake?

How dedicated are you to the realisation of global socialism?

Baxten wrote:The "Trade Federation" part is from Star Wars Episdoe I (the Galactic Trade Federation). Also, I have no better names; the ITF is much closer to NATO than it is to, say, NAFTA or something like that.

Technically NAFTA is now NAFTT :p North American Free Trade Treaty. That way, a President can't dismantle it, only Congress can and no one wants to.

Aldaur wrote:Technically NAFTA is now NAFTT :p North American Free Trade Treaty. That way, a President can't dismantle it, only Congress can and no one wants to.

Thank God.

Aldaur

Baxten wrote:Thank God.

I wouldn't mind it being renegotiated, but it shouldn't be dismantled. Same with NATO, but that is also a Treaty, so Trump can't just leave :p I wish we were going to stay in the TPP though. While it certainly needed some changes, it was more about security than trade.

Unfallious wrote:How dedicated are you to the realisation of global socialism?

The fact that you don't already know the answer says much about how little you know me.

Andromitus

Baxten wrote:I agree; Flynn has one, but it never took off. I may totally restrict new members into the ITF to let Flynn build up his alliance.

Right, the ASN! Almost forgot about that

Unfallious wrote:I would create some kind of Comintern-esque thing but I'm waiting for the new map system to form.

With luck, this shall be the world:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Supranational_African_Bodies-en.svg/250px-Supranational_African_Bodies-en.svg.png

For reference, the Assembly of Sovereign Nations:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=730956

Post self-deleted by Aldaur.

I'd much rather we (America) put a halt on free trade for a good long while, especially with the less developed nations. I'd love to see the TPP and other agreements be destroyed. Free trade has taken a harmful toll on the American economy. Free trade has allowed greedy corporations to bypass giving their workers a great job with good pay and benefits by allowing these corporations to basically ship these jobs oversees, mostly to less developed nations, and free trade makes it so these corporations don't lose profit.

I say bring back the tariffs. Punish those who would rather see millions of Americans be unemployed due to their intense greed. Socialist ideals such as having the minimum wage be a living wage can only be accomplished if there wasn't an easy way out for the top 1% to not share the wealth. It is horrible that the only way for one to get a good job is to spend oodles of money on a college degree that sometimes doesn't even end up being worthy. Back when there were factory jobs, one could simply work in a factory and have a great career. These days since the factory jobs have been sent to those less developed nations, here in America one can only choose between attaining a college degree or working at a minimum wage job.

College is not for everyone. There's millions of hard workers who simply want to work and live a life free of immense financial worry without wasting years in school. Back when we had the factories, such a thing was possible. It's time we bring back those factory jobs. Otherwise our only options to let the middle class continue existing in this nation is to make college education tuition-free or create a maximum wage to potentially offset any inflation created by raising the minimum wage to a living wage. If you support these disastrous free-trade agreements, you support the continued attack on the middle class by the greedy top 1%.

Vista Major

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:[Best speech of 2017 so far]

Why isn't this person President yet?

Vista Major wrote:Why isn't this person President yet?

Because socialism won't work in America. Have you see how bad our government is at doing stuff? Things work far better when they are privatized. It is just a part of the culture in America. Socialism may work elsewhere, but it doesn't work here. I believe a mix of tariffs and free trade with select nations is the best option. It is more than economics, but also about geopolitics.

Vista Major

What the hell happened to the map?

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:Because socialism won't work in America. Have you see how bad our government is at doing stuff? Things work far better when they are privatized. It is just a part of the culture in America. Socialism may work elsewhere, but it doesn't work here. I believe a mix of tariffs and free trade with select nations is the best option. It is more than economics, but also about geopolitics.

Your lack of optimism disturbs me

Aldaur wrote:What the hell happened to the map?

Changes

Aldaur

Vista Major wrote:Your lack of optimism disturbs me

Changes

It isn't a lack of optimism, it is just reality. Different ideas work for different places. Ideas are not universal.

These are sh!tty changes.

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:Because socialism won't work in America. Have you see how bad our government is at doing stuff? Things work far better when they are privatized. It is just a part of the culture in America. Socialism may work elsewhere, but it doesn't work here. I believe a mix of tariffs and free trade with select nations is the best option. It is more than economics, but also about geopolitics.

I so much want to respond.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Bearlong wrote:I so much want to respond.

You just did.

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:What the hell happened to the map?

I think the map looks beautiful now :)

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:It isn't a lack of optimism, it is just reality. Different ideas work for different places. Ideas are not universal.

These are sh!tty changes.

Just because you lost tons of land doesn't mean it's bad. This is what the majority voted for in a very close race.

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:It isn't a lack of optimism, it is just reality. Different ideas work for different places. Ideas are not universal.

These are sh!tty changes.

I mean, there was three days to vote and comment...

You didn't.

Besides, it works pretty decently now.

Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:I mean, there was three days to vote and comment...

You didn't.

Besides, it works pretty decently now.

I was busy...and didn't see it.

Vista Major

Baxten wrote:Just because you lost tons of land doesn't mean it's bad. This is what the majority voted for in a very close race.

If I can only have part of my rightful lands, I want Australia and New Zealand (#82 I believe).

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:If I can only have part of my rightful lands, I want Australia and New Zealand (#82 I believe).

I can do that.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Baxten wrote:I can do that.

However, in the name of the glorious Lorenthil Dynasty, Aldaur will reclaim our lands! Expel the barbarians!

*Runs around shirtless, yelling and chest pumping with much patriotic ferver* :p

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:It isn't a lack of optimism, it is just reality. Different ideas work for different places. Ideas are not universal.

These are sh!tty changes.

Funny you should say that, I'm planning a thesis arguing that ideas are universal

The map is sexy and gorgeous. Thank Baxten for his tiresome work to bring us into RP Year 2020

Aldaur

Vista Major wrote:Funny you should say that, I'm planning a thesis arguing that ideas are universal

The map is sexy and gorgeous. Thank Baxten for his tiresome work to bring us into RP Year 2020

I would disagree with that thesis whole heartedly. It is entirely dependant on national culture.

Don't get me wrong, the map lools gorgeous. I'm just pissed I lost my lands :p

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:

I would disagree with that thesis whole heartedly. It is entirely dependant on national culture.

Don't get me wrong, the map lools gorgeous. I'm just pissed I lost my lands :p

I was being sarcastic, but I may just do an actual thesis in spite

You win some, you lose some

Aldaur

Aldaur wrote:

However, in the name of the glorious Lorenthil Dynasty, Aldaur will reclaim our lands! Expel the barbarians!

*Runs around shirtless, yelling and chest pumping with much patriotic ferver* :p

I'd like to see that ;)

Aldaur

Vista Major wrote:I'd like to see that ;)

The conquest or being shirtless? Lol

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:The conquest or being shirtless? Lol

*raises eyebrow*

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/23/12/enhanced/webdr07/grid-cell-13162-1419354068-10.jpg

Vista Major wrote:*raises eyebrow*

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-12/23/12/enhanced/webdr07/grid-cell-13162-1419354068-10.jpg

I'm only half asian mate.

So tell me. How close was this vote exactly? Would a single vote make the difference?

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:I'm only half asian mate.

So tell me. How close was this vote exactly? Would a single vote make the difference?

Nope.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Also, whoever moves in next to me, we must coordinate our history. You may be independent now, but you were all once a part of the Fallen Aldauri Empire. Aldaur has not been at it's homeland borders since the beginning of it's history. Aldaur lost it's empire in whatever the equivalent of WW2. We are bent on reclaiming what is ours though.

Point is, all nations nearby should have distinctly Aldauri cultural features so it makes sense to history.

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:Also, whoever moves in next to me, we must coordinate our history. You may be independent now, but you were all once a part of the Fallen Aldauri Empire. Aldaur has not been at it's homeland borders since the beginning of it's history. Aldaur lost it's empire in whatever the equivalent of WW2. We are bent on reclaiming what is ours though.

Point is, all nations nearby should have distinctly Aldauri cultural features so it makes sense to history.

I don't think the word "Must" should be there.

Aldaur, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:I don't think the word "Must" should be there.

No, it's good :p Anyways, as long as the nation has eastern culture and coordinates with me on our history, it should be good. That way everything makes sense. It makes no sense having a Russian styled Tsardom in Indonesia. Logic must prevail!

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:Also, whoever moves in next to me, we must coordinate our history. You may be independent now, but you were all once a part of the Fallen Aldauri Empire. Aldaur has not been at it's homeland borders since the beginning of it's history. Aldaur lost it's empire in whatever the equivalent of WW2. We are bent on reclaiming what is ours though.

Point is, all nations nearby should have distinctly Aldauri cultural features so it makes sense to history.

You're not going anywhere near Siberia then

Aldaur, Vista Major

Unfallious wrote:You're not going anywhere near Siberia then

I'm in Australia, so no worries. Geopolitical lore must make sense.

Vista Major

As for my lore, I'm fine with having been once part of my neighbours providing that Unfallious separated following a revolution that must have taken place over 100 year ago. Additionally, it must be understood that Unfallious is set to be uncompromisingly hostile to neighbouring nations divergent in ideology.

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Vista Major

Fun fact: Aldaur only produces maps that show it owning all of it's original imperial realms, despite current realities.

#Denial #Spite #Reclamation #SummerIsComing

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Unfallious wrote:As for my lore, I'm fine with having been once part of my neighbours providing that Unfallious separated following a revolution that must have taken place over 100 year ago. Additionally, it must be understood that Unfallious is set to be uncompromisingly hostile to neighbouring nations divergent in ideology.

Where is your nation going to be?

I hope there will be a list like before.

Aldaur wrote:Where is your nation going to be?

I hope there will be a list like before.

I plan to retake the area I originally designed Unfallious for: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=unfallious/detail=factbook/id=401957

Aldaur

Unfallious wrote:I plan to retake the area I originally designed Unfallious for: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=unfallious/detail=factbook/id=401957

Looks cold :p

Vista Major

The Royal Republic Of Kumania wrote:I'd much rather we (America) put a halt on free trade for a good long while, especially with the less developed nations. I'd love to see the TPP and other agreements be destroyed. Free trade has taken a harmful toll on the American economy. Free trade has allowed greedy corporations to bypass giving their workers a great job with good pay and benefits by allowing these corporations to basically ship these jobs oversees, mostly to less developed nations, and free trade makes it so these corporations don't lose profit.

I say bring back the tariffs. Punish those who would rather see millions of Americans be unemployed due to their intense greed. Socialist ideals such as having the minimum wage be a living wage can only be accomplished if there wasn't an easy way out for the top 1% to not share the wealth. It is horrible that the only way for one to get a good job is to spend oodles of money on a college degree that sometimes doesn't even end up being worthy. Back when there were factory jobs, one could simply work in a factory and have a great career. These days since the factory jobs have been sent to those less developed nations, here in America one can only choose between attaining a college degree or working at a minimum wage job.

College is not for everyone. There's millions of hard workers who simply want to work and live a life free of immense financial worry without wasting years in school. Back when we had the factories, such a thing was possible. It's time we bring back those factory jobs. Otherwise our only options to let the middle class continue existing in this nation is to make college education tuition-free or create a maximum wage to potentially offset any inflation created by raising the minimum wage to a living wage. If you support these disastrous free-trade agreements, you support the continued attack on the middle class by the greedy top 1%.

I won't comment on the rest, but I don't think tariffs are a good idea; they're a relic of the past that we've rightfully moved past. Re-imposing tariffs would only lead to trade war when other nations slap tariffs on our goods, which would slow global trade (which wouldn't be good in our increasingly globalized world).

In addition, tariffs would raise prices for the American consumer because the American-made goods, while still expensive, would now be the cheaper option; this would the poor and middle class, the very people the tariffs aim to protect by preserving their industrial jobs.

Aldaur wrote:I'm only half asian mate.

So tell me. How close was this vote exactly? Would a single vote make the difference?

That's why I'm curious. If Lat can do it, so can you

Eh, not really

Jaslandia wrote:I won't comment on the rest, but I don't think tariffs are a good idea; they're a relic of the past that we've rightfully moved past. Re-imposing tariffs would only lead to trade war when other nations slap tariffs on our goods, which would slow global trade (which wouldn't be good in our increasingly globalized world).

In addition, tariffs would raise prices for the American consumer because the American-made goods, while still expensive, would now be the cheaper option; this would the poor and middle class, the very people the tariffs aim to protect by preserving their industrial jobs.

Hey Jas. What would you think about joining the ITF, buddy. We're all about free trade and economic cooperation. Just sayin'

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Baxten wrote:

Hey Jas. What would you think about joining the ITF, buddy. We're all about free trade and economic cooperation. Just sayin'

>says he would restrict joining

>personally invites someone

Jaslandia, Aldaur, Continental Commonwealths

I'm*this* close to founding a Eurafrasimericarctic Union

Vista Major wrote:I'm*this* close to founding a Eurafrasimericarctic Union

I think that is called the UN bud.

So I am trying to write my national motto in tengwar (lotr elven), but it won't let me do it! D:<

Jaslandia, Vista Major

Baxten wrote:Hey Jas. What would you think about joining the ITF, buddy. We're all about free trade and economic cooperation. Just sayin'

Possibly. I'm just worried that some nations in the ITF (like you or Tse) still have some expansionist impulses, and I don't want Jaslandia associated with expansionists and imperialists.

Vista Major

Aldaur wrote:

I think that is called the UN bud.

So I am trying to write my national motto in tengwar (lotr elven), but it won't let me do it! D:&lt;

Please, the UN will pale in comparison. We're talking a unitary world republic.

Yeah, NS is a bit picky with those kinds of things

Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:Possibly. I'm just worried that some nations in the ITF (like you or Tse) still have some expansionist impulses, and I don't want Jaslandia associated with expansionists and imperialists.

Oh I definitely have imperialistic designs. And expansionism? You bet. Jingoism? That too.

In practice however, we tend to mind our own business, and expect the rest of the world to do the same. That thing with Perl was a one off, due to perceived weakness on his part. But with this new map, that is basically retconned.

Jaslandia, Aldaur

Jaslandia wrote:

Possibly. I'm just worried that some nations in the ITF (like you or Tse) still have some expansionist impulses, and I don't want Jaslandia associated with expansionists and imperialists.

#integrity

Jaslandia

I'm gonna invade everyone

Jaslandia wrote:Possibly. I'm just worried that some nations in the ITF (like you or Tse) still have some expansionist impulses, and I don't want Jaslandia associated with expansionists and imperialists.

We don't wish to expand, we wish to reclaim what is ours. Is it considered expansion when the North toom back the South in the civil war? I think not :p

Jaslandia

Magnatronia wrote:I'm gonna invade everyone

Not on my watch

The Royal Republic Of Kumania

Aldaur wrote:

We don't wish to expand, we wish to reclaim what is ours. Is it considered expansion when the North toom back the South in the civil war? I think not :p

Well...

Aldaur

Vista Major wrote:Not on my watch

Everyone

Vista Major wrote:Well...

It isn't. Aldaur will take it's homeland back and then be on our merry way not disturbing anyone.

Aldaur wrote:

It isn't. Aldaur will take it's homeland back and then be on our merry way not disturbing anyone.

Keep telling yourself that

Aldaur

Hope everyone had/has/will have a good day.

Mine is over now. Goodnight. (Here I would insert 'Love you all' but currently I'm really not in a lovely mood.)

Jaslandia

Magnatronia wrote:Everyone

Imma go get the nukes ready.

Vista Major wrote:Well...

Pretty sure we've seen this situation before.

Baxten wrote:I can do that.

Hey, are either #27 or 64 still open, it'd be perfect for my whole history that I have planned for myself

Magnatronia wrote:I'm gonna invade everyone

if you could stick to the tech period whilst you do so that'll be great

Unfallious wrote:if you could stick to the tech period whilst you do so that'll be great

Put a sock in it

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