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Region: The Confederacy of Free Nations
Here is mine:
https://gyazo.com/fc9597d3e030c16ea622f912b6b49990
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Autocracy lol.
Peoples Liberation Republic, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
It coincides with how I operate the PLR :). IRL though, I do plan to run for either the House of Representatives or the Senate once I and my friends set up our corporation
Nuremgard
Good for you.
Autocrats get sh!t done.
Peoples Liberation Republic
Plus if they're controlled and used responsibly chances are taking it out of the hands of criminals and into authorities such as commercial chains or actual government branches will lead to a cleaner supply and easier regulation for the benefit of users. Also, many drugs are not as bad as DARE sensationalises them to be - for example psychedelics will, for the most part, not make you jump off a building unless it's a deleriant.
Nuremgard
that we do. that we do. We already have a name for our coalition of some sorts along with a secret society along with an insignia and a "salute"
Nuremgard
Exactly. You take drugs out the hands of criminals and the government can make a fortune taxing them. Above all I believe in liberty. If someone wants to smoke cigarettes or take drugs, that's fine with me. And any health problems they have because of it, I'm happy for them to be treated on our NHS because we're all humans and we're all citizens deserving of respect and dignity.
I do not begrudge a smoker their treatment on the NHS. On the contrary, it makes me proud to live in a nation that has such a thing as a universal healthcare system. I may not be a fan of the UK but the NHS is its crowning achievement. Now that is something that makes me proud to be British for a change.
To be honest, for me the most dangerous part of drugs is actually getting them. Dealers are not nice people for the best part or you put yourself at risk of getting arrested or caught up in more dangerous criminal things - when in reality all you want to do is go back to your house by yourself or with a handful of friends and be alone.
Nuremgard
Good point, but if I may counter.
Black market drug dealers don't pay taxes on their profits and their buyers don't pay taxes on their purchases. Jurisdictions that have legalized drugs such as marijuana have shown that black markets for these drugs still very much exist because of government regulation and taxation on licit supply. Many buyers want more choice and lower prices, so the black market thrives and taxation is avoided.
Also, a number of people who access welfare services such as income compensation, disability, housing programs, and homeless shelters have issues with drugs. Certainly not all and I don't mean to generalize, but my previous profession was in human services and I found there was a large proportion of those who accessed these programs who also used drugs. As people who do not have incomes or homes cannot be taxed by most methods of taxation, how does this jive with legalizing drugs being okay because drug users pay taxes?
I take the same attitude to prostitution. If someone wants to pay for sex or sell their body - and all parties are consenting adults, it's nobody's business but theirs.
I take your points but there are black markets for everything, even mundane, legal products.
Drugs are definitely an issue in social depriviation and I think people do need help to get off them. But people get addicted to all kinds of things that are legal. Like alcohol or caffeine. But these drugs are just more socially acceptable so nobody cares as much.
Yukona
I have no idea if this will paste correctly, but if it does: the only thing I've learned is that i would be screwed if I was in the UK.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015?name=You&ec=6.88&soc=-4.92
Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I hear you. And, for the record, I am also socially libertarian and support drug legalization. I'm just more economically roght and this aligns well in my head, so I justs like to hear from the other side.
It's just a page showing where the British parties are on the compass.
Didn't you see the "you" thing?
I am all for drug legalisation but you raise a good point in how the poor can be disproportionately affected by drug abuse, and I know that helping them get off the drugs would improve their situation economically. So it's hard for me to square that circle sometimes. I want to help the poor but I'm also a believer in liberty, know what I mean?
It doesn't show a lonesome red dot in the bottom right corner like the weird kid in the cafeteria that no one wants to sit with?
No, I'm partially sighted. It's hard for me to see stuff sometimes.
Yukona
If I were to run for President, here are the states that I would win and most likely lose.
Red means majority of the voting population would vote for me
Purple means majority of the voting population would not vote for me
https://gyazo.com/f3da8b89348249f78f1fc41df69d517b
Nuremgard
Oh I see it now. Sorry. As I said, partially sighted.
Jaslandia, Yukona
Yep, I'm the same - there are no libertarian parties in the UK apart from an incredibly small one which has really relaxed gun laws, which I don't like, and has no chances of getting big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_(UK)
I put the Libertarians as one of my high up choices during the council elections because they support Scottish independence.
In hindsight, that diagram is highly inaccurate
How so?
We used to have one in Iceland but it merged with a nationalist party that supports the welfare system
Yukona
Its confirmed what I already suspected; that I am closest to the Lib Dems, but "close" is still pretty damn far.
It's the same in Canada, but fewer parties. I'm closest to the Conservatives because they are kind of an umbrella party for all things right. We have a Libertarian Party, but it's entirely unrepresented.
Which is why I was hoping the Liberals would go theough with their campaign promise of having some form of proportionalism incorporated into our electoral system. One or two Libertarian seats would be better than a Conservative Party, either in Government or in Opposition, that purports to advocate on behalf of libertarians and social conservatives concurrently. Somehow.
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
I wouldn't put most of the parties where they are - simple as.
I never took you for a libertarian. More a generally leftist. Or are you like me in that you're socially libertarian but economically leftist?
Yukona
If you lived here, I think you'd be too moderate to vote for the British Conservatives.
Yukona
Oh, you're absolutely right. I also wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican in the States.
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland
See, that's the thing. Generally, British and American conservatism is so extreme. But European conservatism is a totally different kettle of fish.
You guys are so lucky though, you've got Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson
Both of them are vile, arrogant, elitist, over-privileged tossers.
You do you. You just think they are arrogant because they are right
They are arrogant because they behave that way. You just love them because they're right.
The United Providences Of Perland
Socially, I'm a subscriber to "I don't give a f*ck"ism. As long as it doesn't effect me, I honestly don't care or want people to stop you from doing it. Things like abortion I think are the right of the woman, as she is the adult and she has teh capability to decide what is best for herself with proper medical consultation. I also subscribe to that belief with a degree of responsibility, as things like guns - I believe - are completely unnecessary to have in the United Kingdom outside of either crime or hobbies/sport - in that sense, they should be banned or held at the place where you go to shoot if it was a long-ranged firearm. Personally, I just think that although freedom is important, the whole thing of "we can defend our liberties" is bullshit, if the government was scared of you and your merry band of militia men you'd just get droned lol.
Regardless of that, I'm torn myself between economically left and right. Although I'm a strong believer in the free market, I'm also a staunch supporter of free healthcare. Why? Because just like freedom is a right everybody should have no matter what their background, so is good health - and people having to suffer and potentially die just because they couldn't afford to make themselves healthier is absolutely deplorable. Beforehand I didn't support nationalisation, however I'm more on the fence now, although I'd rather it only be in certain public good/service areas. I'm very anti-protectionism and believe it is one of the biggest c*ck-ups in economics, having been funded by multi-million dollar corporations that can't get efficient or competitive. Personally, I think tax is a genius thing, but it should be used responsibly and that the government should have a law limiting the total amount of income it can half. For example, 3/4's of a person's income, regardless of the actual level, will always be theirs (ball park figure).
I support the union but also self-determination, I do not support nuclear weapons as I believe they are largely pointless, I do however support the expansion of our military but a reduction to a purely non-aggressive or peace-keeping role. Although I'm against subsidies and encroachment on private proerty, I think that green energy should be heavily subsidised and constructed everywhere it can do because it's in the best issue of not just the country but our children and their children, so on. If anything, my most strong view is on green energy - when I see people put up "wind farms ruin our countryside" signs it really f*cks me off, would you rather have no countryside at all or a few big towers, who cares? I myself believe that we are in urgent danger of climate change, therefore it's not just something to invest in, but it's a matter of national security.
Nuremgard
I'd imagine you'd be a Liberal Democrat like me.
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland
The first time "lucky" and "Boris Johnson" were used in the same sentence since someone uttered, "You're lucky you arrived when you did; Boris Johnson just left."
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
Is the the Donald Trump looking UKIP guy?
Thanks for such a detailed response. I also subscribe to "I don't give a f*ckism" except I am in favour of banning guns entirely, even for sport and hobbies.
I am in favour of nationalising key industries like water, energy, transport etc. but I am fine with private enterprise for most other things. I used to be sympathetic to tariffs and subsidies but what changed my mind was that I once heard about a Welsh steel works being supported by public money because it couldn't turn a profit. I feel bad for the workers but I don't see why an industry should be kept on life support through public money just to artificially boost the employment figures for the government. If you cant survive commercially without help well...that's capitalism.
I feel bad for some of the farmers who may lose their EU subsidies but in general, I don't care as most of them are Tory wankers. :P But I'm bitter that way.
I am all for progressive taxation, against nukes, all for green energy and I also support boosting conventional military spending for peacekeeping efforts and self-defence.
Yukona
He's a Conservative
Yukona
I figured that out, I'm asking is he fat, with blond hair?
Easy to get confused but Johnson is like the British Trump. He was even born in America!
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/824968706258305024/5QODwULN.jpg
The guy below is the UKIP guy you're thinking of.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg/220px-Nigel_Farage_MEP_1%2C_Strasbourg_-_Diliff.jpg
The United Providences Of Perland
https://gyazo.com/afbe5940841f75e9d28383b9a98f148f
I think he is quite handsome hehe
The United Providences Of Perland
Sh*t I forgot you also have Farage! You guys have so many awesome politicans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson - I wouldn't say he's anything like Donald Trump. Also, despite what people think, he is a very, very smart man. I'd wager to say that although he's probably a nice bloke, he's also as cunning as a fox.
The United Providences Of Perland, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
I wish you were trolling.
And by the way, Johnson, handsome? You must be blind or desperate. Perhaps both.
Jaslandia, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
He, like most other Tories, need to take a long walk off a short pier.
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I love these guys that fight for their countries. You can just hear how much they love the UK and I respect that
LOL. Oh, man. You're duped. If you think they care about anything beyond their own self-interest and advancement, you're living in lala land.
I can see why politicians like Trump get elected now. With people like you thinking they "love and fight for their countries." :P
As much as I disagree with the politicians you like, the admiration of their love for the UK is going to fly over the head of a Scottish nationalist such as Nurem.
Jaslandia
Again, they don't love anything except their own survival and advancement.
Nationalism is dangerous, very dangerous.
I disagree. Without nationalism there would be no nations. And if you live in a former colony or somewhere that was once part of an empire, your country would not be where it is today.
Stop confusing all nationalism with Nazism. I know people love to think about Hitler gassing the Jews when they think nationalism but that isn't what it's about.
Lex Caledonia, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
It's called being patriotic and I am not going to apologize for it
I never made a comment about Nazi Germany. My main example would be Soviet Russia frankly. And some nationalism is good. But it becomes bad when you blindly support your country no matter what, which most of the U.K. Politicians may not do.
Did I say to say to repent? And patratism is nationalism by definition. If you use just the right amount, then you are good.
I agree that nationalism becomes pernicious when it turns into "my country wrong or right" and "we should dominate other countries because we're awesome."
Nationalism, in the sense of having control over one's destiny through self-determination, having an identity tied to your country of birth and some pride in that country are all perfectly healthy expressions.
The United Providences Of Perland
Ehhhh. "loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups"
Nationalism and patriotism both show the relationship of an individual towards his or her nation. The two are often confused and frequently believed to mean the same thing. However, there is a vast difference between nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism means to give more importance to unity by way of a cultural background, including language and heritage. Patriotism pertains to the love for a nation, with more emphasis on values and beliefs.
When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is the worst enemy of peace. According to him, nationalism is a feeling that ones country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive.
Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace. Most nationalists assume that their country is better than any other, whereas patriots believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots tend to believe in friendly relations with other countries while some nationalists dont.
Peoples Liberation Republic
Well I'm a civic nationalist.
Lex Caledonia
By the way you just described patratism, when looking at the definition of nationalism, they are the same.
A song for a fellow Jacobite.
https://youtu.be/-zQoQ1ckFxI?t=49
For what it's worth, I'm American, and I've always seen you as more libertarian-leaning. I think you would fit in quite well with American libertarian parties.
The United Providences Of Perland
I'm a leftist but my heart leaped out of my chest when I saw my council tax bill. I'll be claiming it back as I'm not liable to pay it being a student.
See? I'm not all pure. I do have some conservative instincts. Such as, "keep your hands off my money you scrounging, corrupt, councilor bastards!"
Jaslandia, The United Providences Of Perland
No, give them all ur Euros for the betterment of the collective.
Pounds. And no. I have a special loathing for local government.
Yukona
I don't like local governments but they serve a purpose I suppose, at least in the US.
I think they use pounds in the UK
The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Their purpose here is to give their bosses massive salaries.
The United Providences Of Perland
Stasi was quite a scary organisation.
Nuremgard, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona
Any secret service is.
I call the BBC TV license people here the Stasi or sometimes the Gestapo. Because they chase down license avoiders with such zeal. "You must pay for ze excellent propaganda we show!"
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona, Neo-Icelandic Commonwealth
You citedy tramp stamp tattoo exactly :P
That's the goal!
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Have you ever seen the movie 'The life of others' ?
Yukona
I have not.
Penguania And Antarctica
>Tries to go in depth and flush out nations linguistics
>Rewrites basic historical structure
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Tserra, Yukona
It's a movie about the Stasi and how they spy on people. A drama. A fictional story tho. Won an Oscar.
I find the scene scary when the Stasi officers enter the flat of the person they want to observe an equip it with microphones and cameras.
When they leave the flat the captain of the group notices that there is no light coming through the fish eye of the door of the flat opposite to the one they equipped. He rings the door bell. A woman opens the door and the captain says: "No word about this to anyone, Mrs. Meier. Otherwise your daughter can say good-bye to her studies of medicine." The woman nods with scare. While leaving the house the captain says to one of his officers "Send Mrs. Meier a small present for her co-operation. "
He was aware of the woman and her daughter and what she does. Really scary.
Nuremgard, Yukona
Man, whatever happened to the Boy Scouts?
Penguania And Antarctica
It's a really good movie. We watched it as part of our German Political Thought class in fourth year poli-sci.
Funny- when you posted about the Stasi being scary, this is immediately what I thought of.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
They scout boys
Yukona
Shows the kind of dark power the state can wield if it's not held in check.
Penguania And Antarctica
They succumbed to the SJW's, and no longer deserve to be called Boy Scouts.
Penguania And Antarctica
Nah, I was talking about them simultaneously booing Hillary Clinton and then having Trump make a disgraceful speech to a room full of children. I understand that not everyone's a fan of Hillary, but Jesus have some respect for the former Secretary of State.
Friedensreich, Penguania And Antarctica
They expected too much. They expected Trump to be reasonable and apolitical.
He encouraged the kids to boo Obama and Clinton. Reminded me of the Hitler Youth.
Penguania And Antarctica
Literally the opposite of what I was gonna say. And what does that even mean?
Jaslandia
Reds under the bed.
SJWs are out to get you. :P
OAFT that is such a good film.
Nuremgard, Penguania And Antarctica
I watched Goodbye, Lenin in my German class at high school which I liked. I had a crush on Daniel Bruhl.
Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona
Oh okay.
Never saw this movie. Just know the general plot and genre.
It's a good movie. Bruhl speaks 5 languages and can understand Portuguese. He's so hot.
Penguania And Antarctica
I can speak 2 languages. And can understand a bit Latin. I am not hot. :P
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
That's more than me! I was gonna' do Latin at school but not enough people picked it so I had to settle for my second choice: graphic design.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
Did you learn a foreign language?
Lies. I have seen your appearance in multiple pictures over Discord. If I was into guys I would totally crush on you. Maybe even take you to a Denny's.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica
I learned German for six years at school. Don't remember most of it though, like most of the stuff I learned at school.
Penguania And Antarctica
Taking him to Denny's? That's practically a proposal.
Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica, Tserra
Right?
Kinda like with McDonald's over here. Buy me some chicken nuggets and I'm yours. Although over here the big obsession is Nando's.
Penguania And Antarctica
Now you are exaggerating.
Oh ok.
I had to learn English and had it for 10 years in school.
And I had to do a secondary language for 4 years. I picked Latin. My school offered French and Russian as second foreign language too tho.
Nuremgard, Jaslandia
Any reason why you chose Latin rather than French or Russian?
Penguania And Antarctica
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