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Russian Fedration wrote:Ok and ? so?

So few people would RP a war with you, basically.

Good RP means taking losses with victory, the downs with ups. I am completely doubtful that this is how any such RP would go, and that they'd be wholly ridiculous.

Basically, this is a perfect example for me to quote every time we have to justify having agreements to RP, since Yuk now doesn't have to fight your probable "We have reserves zergrush" method. Not much more than that.

Andromitus wrote:*shudders*

*Shudders from a sugar high*

Yukona wrote:Same goes for what you said ay lmao

uh ok?

Kalaron wrote:So few people would RP a war with you, basically.

Good RP means taking losses with victory, the downs with ups. I am completely doubtful that this is how any such RP would go, and that they'd be wholly ridiculous.

Basically, this is a perfect example for me to quote every time we have to justify having agreements to RP, since Yuk now doesn't have to fight your probable "We have reserves zergrush" method. Not much more than that.

Oh i do RP to Lose , the wins and the Losses . It dosent sound like that tho it sounds like something else .

Russian Fedration wrote:uh ok?

Oh i do RP to Lose , the wins and the Losses . It dosent sound like that tho it sounds like something else .

ok

Russian Fedration

Post self-deleted by Andromitus.

Hoo boy, please read the whole thing, its all important -

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25481214

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Vista Major

Merlinton wrote:Who's even in charge of that? I think when I got accepted it was [nation=short]Vista Major[/nation] or [nation=short]Baxten[/nation]? I actually don't know who has admin power in the forums.

Either way, there's zero excuse for nobody in charge responding to [nation=short]The empire of handland[/nation].

Citizenship? That would be the job of our MoIA, or their deputy.

Vista Major wrote:Citizenship? That would be the job of our MoIA, or their deputy.

Forum access. I think that's you or Lat, no?

Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Forum access. I think that's you or Lat, no?

Now, [I]that[/I] is Latrovia, unless he gave me those powers and I just don't know about them.

Andromitus wrote:Hoo boy, please read the whole thing, its all important -

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25481214

*reads*

Yes yes very good

Jaslandia, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

The North Naboo Pact

[I]Peace, Justice, Democracy[/I]

Vista Major wrote:The North Naboo Pact

[I]Peace, Justice, Democracy[/I]

They're no match for droideka's!

Russian Fedration

I am thinking of forming a Leftist Bloc withing the COFN in the forums. Any nations have input on this notion?

Andromitus wrote:Hoo boy, please read the whole thing, its all important -

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=25481214

"Any Magnatronian Citizen that successfully reaches International Waters or a surrounding nation shall be given amnesty and protection in Andromitus if they so desire."

Lol [nation=short]magnatronia[/nation] your country is so crappy now that Andy is offering refuge to your citizens.

Jaslandia, Belmora, Kivasek, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Merlinton wrote:"Any Magnatronian Citizen that successfully reaches International Waters or a surrounding nation shall be given amnesty and protection in Andromitus if they so desire."

Lol [nation=short]magnatronia[/nation] your country is so crappy now that Andy is offering refuge to your citizens.

I guess it really is jumping the ship from Magnatronia, huh?

Jaslandia, Belmora, Andromitus, The United Providences Of Perland

Merlinton wrote:"Any Magnatronian Citizen that successfully reaches International Waters or a surrounding nation shall be given amnesty and protection in Andromitus if they so desire."

Lol [nation=short]magnatronia[/nation] your country is so crappy now that Andy is offering refuge to your citizens.

Kivasek wrote:I guess it really is jumping the ship from Magnatronia, huh?

Yukona wrote:Bukake

Vista Major wrote:The North Naboo Pact

[I]Peace, Justice, Democracy[/I]

Vile racists

Merlinton, The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Belmora, The Vidnoye, Kivasek, The United Providences Of Perland

Busy day for the Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy as we welcome [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] as our newest signatory and [nation=short]The Cross and Davids Star[/nation] as our newest observer!

Jaslandia, Belmora, Vista Major, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton

RP ANNOUNCEMENT

Today I leave the Reich, this is for the best as Baxten and Oelesa are going down too different paths that our people can no longer be united as one.

Now Oelesa moves to have a provisional government with Jakob Streicher and his family returning to be king after being Governor of Oelesa during it's time with the Kasierreich.

We wish the best of luck in these times of uncertainty.

The Royal Republic Of Kumania, Jaslandia, Latrovia, Belmora, Vista Major, The Vidnoye, Kivasek, The United Providences Of Perland

Oelesa wrote:RP ANNOUNCEMENT

Today I leave the Reich, this is for the best as Baxten and Oelesa are going down too different paths that our people can no longer be united as one.

Now Oelesa moves to have a provisional government with Jakob Streicher and his family returning to be king after being Governor of Oelesa during it's time with the Kasierreich.

We wish the best of luck in these times of uncertainty.

It's sad watching a great alliance of people falling.

Jaslandia, Belmora, The United Providences Of Perland

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Busy day for the Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy as we welcome [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] as our newest signatory and [nation=short]The Cross and Davids Star[/nation] as our newest observer!

The UK looks humbly upon the future of a more peaceful and progressive community of COFN.

Jaslandia, Belmora, Continental Commonwealths, Andromitus, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland

Oelesa wrote:RP ANNOUNCEMENT

Today I leave the Reich, this is for the best as Baxten and Oelesa are going down too different paths that our people can no longer be united as one.

Now Oelesa moves to have a provisional government with Jakob Streicher and his family returning to be king after being Governor of Oelesa during it's time with the Kasierreich.

We wish the best of luck in these times of uncertainty.

Perland congratulates Oelesa on their newfound independence and hopes they carry on a path of prosperity.

Oelesa wrote:RP ANNOUNCEMENT

We wish the best of luck in these times of uncertainty.

OOC, you people are CREATING the uncertainty by ceding from your organizations and governments!

Belmora

Magnatronia wrote:OOC, you people are CREATING the uncertainty by ceding from your organizations and governments!

Different ideas, so yes we are. I'm not sure what your point is.

Belmora

Oelesa wrote:Different ideas, so yes we are. I'm not sure what your point is.

Oh nothing actually. I'm just saying, you guys as a whole are pretending like you don't know why COFN got so unstable suddenly. But it's literally because "Oh, everyone else is leaving their government organization/association? LEMME DO THE SAME SO I'M COOL!"

Magnatronia wrote:Oh nothing actually. I'm just saying, you guys as a whole are pretending like you don't know why COFN got so unstable suddenly. But it's literally because "Oh, everyone else is leaving their government organization/association? LEMME DO THE SAME SO I'M COOL!"

It's not like trying to be cool or pretending. Things are uncertain . Baxten wants reform, a democracy of sorts. I'm not willing to do that, and rather than force one side another we leave. The ITF is another story, but no one seems to care if it stays.

Oelesa wrote:It's not like trying to be cool or pretending. Things are uncertain . Baxten wants reform, a democracy of sorts. I'm not willing to do that, and rather than force one side another we leave. The ITF is another story, but no one seems to care if it stays.

Alright, but I stand by my position. It's frustrating to see people pretend like there's crisis coming outta nowhere, when they made it themselves. You know? Same idea behind the 'red scare' and USCS-ITF tension.

Magnatronia wrote:Vile racists

Im not on that list? I don't know if I should be happy that you don't see me as racist towards you or upset that you don't see me as racist towards you ;)

Magnatronia wrote:Alright, but I stand by my position. It's frustrating to see people pretend like there's crisis coming outta nowhere, when they made it themselves. You know? Same idea behind the 'red scare' and USCS-ITF tension.

Isn't that the point of RP. Pretending?

Oelesa wrote:Isn't that the point of RP. Pretending?

It is! But that's not what I mean. My problem is when people make up problems or conflicts. Maybe in your case, that's not entirely true. But I can't help but notice a lot of of the 'crisis's' here are usually made out of completely thin air, just for the sake of "it's cool and everyone's getting into it too". Like, no. Have a reason. If you want to invade someone, have a good reason. Imagine if Vista outta nowhere wanted to be militaristic, so he invaded Baxten for no apparent reason. That would be pretty shifty? Now, if it was TCADS or Vid, then sure. Or even, if he had a regularly schedule election that bought a fascist into power, okay, then that makes sense. You have a decent reason to do that. The perfect example of what bothers me is that dude who came here a while ago, I think he left? He constantly shifted from nazi, to communist, to democracy, to civil war in the matter of hours. For no reason!

The Vidnoye

Magnatronia wrote:It is! But that's not what I mean. My problem is when people make up problems or conflicts. Maybe in your case, that's not entirely true. But I can't help but notice a lot of of the 'crisis's' here are usually made out of completely thin air, just for the sake of "it's cool and everyone's getting into it too". Like, no. Have a reason. If you want to invade someone, have a good reason. Imagine if Vista outta nowhere wanted to be militaristic, so he invaded Baxten for no apparent reason. That would be pretty shifty? Now, if it was TCADS or Vid, then sure. Or even, if he had a regularly schedule election that bought a fascist into power, okay, then that makes sense. You have a decent reason to do that. The perfect example of what bothers me is that dude who came here a while ago, I think he left? He constantly shifted from nazi, to communist, to democracy, to civil war in the matter of hours. For no reason!

The 'reason' for this crisis is that I spread information about Baxten planning to get Vid to invade Sul for him in order to use it as some kind of false flag where he could swoop in, save the day and eliminate desire for Sulanian independence. That's what's causing this crisis: mistrust. The commander of the ITF demonstrated he couldn't be trusted so that's falling apart. Baxten demonstrated mistrust in his administration of the Reich, so that's falling apart. It's not something created out of thin air.

Friedensreich, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:The 'reason' for this crisis is that I spread information about Baxten planning to get Vid to invade Sul for him in order to use it as some kind of false flag where he could swoop in, save the day and eliminate desire for Sulanian independence. That's what's causing this crisis: mistrust. The commander of the ITF demonstrated he couldn't be trusted so that's falling apart. Baxten demonstrated mistrust in his administration of the Reich, so that's falling apart. It's not something created out of thin air.

Thank you, bro. I just wanted reassurance that this wasn't one of those "Because it's cool" moments.

Oelesa

Magnatronia wrote:Thank you, bro. I just wanted reassurance that this wasn't one of those "Because it's cool" moments.

Yeah, for once we're not doing a 'cool-for-the-sake-of-cool' thing and I'm liking it. The last day has been fairly nice and organic RP and it all sprung up from a tip-off about Vid trying to get into the ITF.

Jaslandia, Oelesa, Magnatronia

Magnatronia wrote:Vile racists

Unlikely

Jaslandia, Yukona

Unfallious wrote:The 'reason' for this crisis is that I spread information about Baxten planning to get Vid to invade Sul for him in order to use it as some kind of false flag where he could swoop in, save the day and eliminate desire for Sulanian independence. That's what's causing this crisis: mistrust. The commander of the ITF demonstrated he couldn't be trusted so that's falling apart. Baxten demonstrated mistrust in his administration of the Reich, so that's falling apart. It's not something created out of thin air.

I'm glad someone finally explained this on the rmb!

Merlinton, Jaslandia, Oelesa, Yukona, Percyton

Well it appears that Socialists won.

What do i do now xD

Russian Fedration, Belmora, Vista Major

The Vidnoye wrote:Well it appears that Socialists won.

What do i do now xD

We're just getting started! :D

Russian Fedration, Vista Major

Kalaron wrote:OK.

So what happens when you get embargoed for war-crimes by seperate nations?

Sorry, just got back from the Krankenhaus.

What happens when 10 put travel bans on me because I'm not a nice little snowflake?

Just so you all know, this is my first RMB post as a high school graduate. I had my formal graduation ceremony earlier today.

Yukona wrote:[spoiler]***RP***

Hello everyone!

I just have a little announcement to make. Me and Penguania And Antarctica have a great announcement which would be great if you all read. As most of you don't know, Yukona left the ITF shortly before it collapsed yesterday in order to become fully neutral, I also decided that we needed some sort of international regulating body in order to stop the bad things that have been happening from happening?

The international criminal court will be held in Vancouver, Yukona (TBA) and the international criminal court will be held in Icemounton, Penguania and Antarctica. There is a difference, Peng's court will handle the diplomacy-ish side of things, for example if a country has a bit of your land you think is yours, you can take that country to the justice court. This is for international disputes and everything that isn't a direct crime, so for example putting weapons in space/at a border, etc. etc. will all be under the justice court. The criminal court will handle people accused of breaking the universal declaration of human rights (we'll steal the UN one) or committing war crimes. They this would work is an international warrant would be put on your government members' heads, and they would receive a travel ban and a freeze on assets/more if we can think of it. The point is, embargoes hurt the people of the country and the country that is giving it out, therefore it is not in the best interest to enact trade restrictions as a punishment. If any government member that was wanted were to leave the country, they'd be requested by the court to be arrested and extradited by the country they're in and go to trial in Yukona.

Essentially, this is trying to stop people being morons and is purely in character. There are a few things to highlight, though: we won't come after you, this court doesn't have bounty hunters, etc. This is a purely voluntary movement, if a criminal in - say - Latrovia visits Kalaron and Kalaron don't want to extradite them, that's their call. Furthermore, when I say me and Peng head the organisation, it's only where the court is controlled from and located in its self (i.e the infrastructure and buildings, etc). We haven't figured it out yet, but somehow nations will be sat on the jury, act as judges, etc. - so everyone will be involved.

Currently we have Unfallious, Tserra, Baxten, Kumania, Yukona, Penguania and Latrovia ready to be a part of this idea - the point is, join or not, you will still be under the jurisdiction of the court. To explain this, if you commit a war crime, you will still have your foreign assets frozen and a travel ban placed on you - regardless of whether you're in the court or not as its outside of your control. However disputing the charge can only be done by willing members, therefore it's in your best interest to try and make your voice heard.

Sorry if that was a bit muddled and senseless, but hopefully you get the gist. We're not going to be writing out huge law codexes, we'll just be following the UDHR and other things like the rules of war, it's meant to be a bit of a laymans court, we're no experts.[/spoiler]

Nice. I approve of this wholeheartedly.

http://i.imgur.com/vR8qCsg.png

Tserra wrote:Barnes and Noble

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Barbados :P

Barbara Ann

https://youtu.be/vPRonG87eKw

Belmora, Continental Commonwealths, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Pirate Kingdoms, Yukona, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Friedensreich wrote:Sorry, just got back from the Krankenhaus.

What happens when 10 put travel bans on me because I'm not a nice little snowflake?

You join yourself with millions of other not-so-nice snowflakes to form a deranged, mutant, killer, monster snow goon.

Jaslandia, Pirate Kingdoms

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=belmora/detail=factbook/id=823981

Just made my royal family factbook! Let me know what you think! :D

Jaslandia, Vista Major, Percyton

Continental Commonwealths wrote:You join yourself with millions of other not-so-nice snowflakes to form a deranged, mutant, killer, monster snow goon.

I was going to say "form an army of gingers and go to town on them", but that works too.

Jaslandia

I expect a war between the commies and the capies, this will be fun, and sad, to watch from the sidelines.

Belmora, Vista Major

Belmora wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=belmora/detail=factbook/id=823981

Just made my royal family factbook! Let me know what you think! :D

His imperial highness, was my former PM. Like same people. Apart that, we're up to negotiations with your nation :)

Jaslandia, Belmora

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I expect a war between the commies and the capies, this will be fun, and sad, to watch from the sidelines.

WAR ! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

Jaslandia, Belmora, Percyton

Latrovia wrote:WAR ! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

"War, the great equalizer."

Belmora

Latrovia wrote:WAR ! WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?

ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING! WAR! UH! YEA!

Oh....are those not the lyrics? :p

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:Somebody has some s e n s e, Jesus Christ, thank you Andy

You're only saying he has some sense because he agrees with you. You are just shrugging off the points I brought up.

Jaslandia wrote:Just so you all know, this is my first RMB post as a high school graduate. I had my formal graduation ceremony earlier today.

Nice. I approve of this wholeheartedly.

http://i.imgur.com/vR8qCsg.png

Barbara Ann

https://youtu.be/vPRonG87eKw

Congrats !! :)

Jaslandia, Belmora, The United Providences Of Perland, Percyton, James The Red Engine

Friedensreich wrote:You're only saying he has some sense because he agrees with you. You are just shrugging off the points I brought up.

Nope, I replied to them, it's just you A) didn't understand my argument B) didn't read all of my posts C) you didn't have any questions further to what I told you - ultimately, I'm saying he has sense because despite not agreeing he's not just like THIS IS BLOODY OUTRAGEOUS, it's like British politics but even more mind numbing - it's your pejorative to seek out information, not mine, if you are inquisitive

Belmora wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=belmora/detail=factbook/id=823981

Just made my royal family factbook! Let me know what you think! :D

Looks good, although Tsarevich Illarion and Tsarevich Kasimir look uncomfortably similar in my opinion. Are they twins or something?

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:Congrats !! :)

Thank you.

Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Belmora wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=belmora/detail=factbook/id=823981

Just made my royal family factbook! Let me know what you think! :D

Sophisticated

The United Providences Of Perland wrote:I expect a war between the commies and the capies, this will be fun, and sad, to watch from the sidelines.

What the Cold War was meant to be

Jaslandia, Belmora, The United Providences Of Perland

Belmora wrote:ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING! WAR! UH! YEA!

Oh....are those not the lyrics? :p

G

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!

Belmora

Jaslandia wrote:Just so you all know, this is my first RMB post as a high school graduate. I had my formal graduation ceremony earlier today.

Congratulations!

Russian Fedration, Jaslandia, Belmora, Kivasek, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Jaslandia wrote:Looks good, although Tsarevich Illarion and Tsarevich Kasimir look uncomfortably similar in my opinion. Are they twins or something?

Thank you.

What do you mean? Lol Chris Pine and Prince Carl Philip look nothing alike lol They are supposed to be brothers in my factbook though :p

Jaslandia

Yukona wrote:Nope, I replied to them, it's just you A) didn't understand my argument B) didn't read all of my posts C) you didn't have any questions further to what I told you - ultimately, I'm saying he has sense because despite not agreeing he's not just like THIS IS BLOODY OUTRAGEOUS, it's like British politics but even more mind numbing - it's your pejorative to seek out information, not mine, if you are inquisitive

A) I think I understood it, and I still don't like it?

B) What did I miss?

C) Actually I still have quite a few.

Why do it?

What do you stand to gain?

How will you regulate this organization?

And finally, where can I go to sign something that says "Nope"?

Merlinton wrote:Congratulations!

Thank you.

Belmora wrote:What do you mean? Lol Chris Pine and Prince Carl Philip look nothing alike lol They are supposed to be brothers in my factbook though :p

I see. Maybe it's just because their facial hair is so similar.

Belmora, Percyton

Friedensreich wrote:A) I think I understood it, and I still don't like it?

B) What did I miss?

C) Actually I still have quite a few.

Why do it?

What do you stand to gain?

How will you regulate this organization?

And finally, where can I go to sign something that says "Nope"?

1) because it's nice to have peace for some nations and no chemical weapons

2) we haven't decided, but it will be regulated

3) the door?

Jaslandia

Jaslandia wrote:Thank you.

I see. Maybe it's just because their facial hair is so similar.

Congrats, Jas!

Jaslandia, Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Yukona wrote:1) because it's nice to have peace for some nations and no chemical weapons

2) we haven't decided, but it will be regulated

3) the door?

1) How will this create peace?

2) Otherwise, leaving the courts unregulated would be very bad. So at least y'all are going to put it under control....

3) Ok. I'll throw pig's blood at the door of the headquarters for this organization to show my dislike of it.

Russian Fedration

Friedensreich wrote:1) How will this create peace?

2) Otherwise, leaving the courts unregulated would be very bad. So at least y'all are going to put it under control....

3) Ok. I'll throw pig's blood at the door of the headquarters for this organization to show my dislike of it.

A) Doesn't take a genius to figure it out

B) Well they'll be regulated so what's your point

C) Not really a question

Jaslandia

Nuremgard wrote:Congrats, Jas!

Thanks, Nurem!

Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica, Percyton

Yukona wrote:A) Doesn't take a genius to figure it out

B) Well they'll be regulated so what's your point

C) Not really a question

a Simple Court Cant make Peace .

Everyone should come into the Dubtrack radio station; things are getting pretty good and diverse

Russian Fedration wrote:a Simple Court Cant make Peace .

Never said it did...OK?

Yukona wrote:A) Doesn't take a genius to figure it out

B) Well they'll be regulated so what's your point

C) Not really a question

Æ) It kinda does. You can't just claim something'll create peace. Especially since there are people actively against this idea, you can't claim peace will come out of regulating the behavior and inventory of nations. I know for sure that once you hippies try to get pissy at me because I violate your laws, keeping the peace will be nigh impossible.

The whole idea of how the court would work will not create peace. You're creating an organization whose favored mode of operation is to piss off nations outside of it through [Enter Method Here]. Do you really expect nations outside of the court to not get salty and refuse to follow your laws and hearings after you place travel bans and freeze up their money-making assets?

You can take a gander of what has happened irl when people place punishments on nations for violating their international law. Despite all the sanctions and attempts to stop them because of their violations, NK still has a nuclear program and is still a totalitarian dictatorship.

B) Point is that atleast you guys are getting something right. It's not entirely doomed to fail.

C) It's a statement, and a promise. Prepare to clean up hog blood off of the front entrance of your hippy organization!

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:Never said it did...OK?

"because it's nice to have peace for some nations ".

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:A) Doesn't take a genius to figure it out

B) Well they'll be regulated so what's your point

C) Not really a question

Yukona wrote:Never said it did...OK?

Your A Kinda Makes it look like you did ...

Friedensreich

Friedensreich wrote:Æ) It kinda does. You can't just claim something'll create peace. Especially since there are people actively against this idea, you can't claim peace will come out of regulating the behavior and inventory of nations. I know for sure that once you hippies try to get pissy at me because I violate your laws, keeping the peace will be nigh impossible.

The whole idea of how the court would work will not create peace. You're creating an organization whose favored mode of operation is to piss off nations outside of it through [Enter Method Here]. Do you really expect nations outside of the court to not get salty and refuse to follow your laws and hearings after you place travel bans and freeze up their money-making assets?

You can take a gander of what has happened irl when people place punishments on nations for violating their international law. Despite all the sanctions and attempts to stop them because of their violations, NK still has a nuclear program and is still a totalitarian dictatorship.

B) Point is that atleast you guys are getting something right. It's not entirely doomed to fail.

C) It's a statement, and a promise. Prepare to clean up hog blood off of the front entrance of your hippy organization!

Be Warry of Ticking Brown Boxes

Friedensreich wrote:"because it's nice to have peace for some nations ".

Then don't be a part of it lol, it's going ahead without you, sorry chicken :^)

Friedensreich wrote:Æ) It kinda does. You can't just claim something'll create peace. Especially since there are people actively against this idea, you can't claim peace will come out of regulating the behavior and inventory of nations. I know for sure that once you hippies try to get pissy at me because I violate your laws, keeping the peace will be nigh impossible.

The whole idea of how the court would work will not create peace. You're creating an organization whose favored mode of operation is to piss off nations outside of it through [Enter Method Here]. Do you really expect nations outside of the court to not get salty and refuse to follow your laws and hearings after you place travel bans and freeze up their money-making assets?

You can take a gander of what has happened irl when people place punishments on nations for violating their international law. Despite all the sanctions and attempts to stop them because of their violations, NK still has a nuclear program and is still a totalitarian dictatorship.

B) Point is that atleast you guys are getting something right. It's not entirely doomed to fail.

C) It's a statement, and a promise. Prepare to clean up hog blood off of the front entrance of your hippy organization!

A) There's, what, three nations against it, all who use the OOC 'it's just not fun' to basically defend it. Tough sh*t, it's going ahead. You'd be slapped with embargoes for misbehaving anyway, I don't think you understand that ay lmao.

Yukona wrote:Then don't be a part of it lol, it's going ahead without you, sorry chicken :^)

A) There's, what, three nations against it, all who use the OOC 'it's just not fun' to basically defend it. Tough sh*t, it's going ahead. You'd be slapped with embargoes for misbehaving anyway, I don't think you understand that ay lmao.

>Claims my only argument is "just not fun"

>I said it won't work because nations won't follow what you guys say after you tick them off in the exact same post you quoted

Ayyyyyyy lmpfao I do! I think it's doomed to fail because nations don't act like the way you want them to. I'm glad I don't plan on working with this court, because God are they idealistic and self-righteous. (Plus I'm glad I don't have anything that you utopians can use against me)

Now, you know I disagree with you and think your pet project will not work out, but no hard feelins, mmmk?

Russian Fedration, Belmora

lmpfao?!

Jaslandia, Belmora

Continental Commonwealths wrote:lmpfao?!

You mean 'Impfung' ?

Vista Major

Continental Commonwealths wrote:lmpfao?!

laughing my phat fvcking arse off?

Russian Fedration, Friedensreich

Continental Commonwealths wrote:lmpfao?!

It's from a scene in Family Guy to make fun of the German language :P

Russian Fedration, Belmora

Friedensreich wrote:>Claims my only argument is "just not fun"

>I said it won't work because nations won't follow what you guys say after you tick them off in the exact same post you quoted

Ayyyyyyy lmpfao I do! I think it's doomed to fail because nations don't act like the way you want them to. I'm glad I don't plan on working with this court, because God are they idealistic and self-righteous. (Plus I'm glad I don't have anything that you utopians can use against me)

Now, you know I disagree with you and think your pet project will not work out, but no hard feelins, mmmk?

Never claimed it was your only argument so hold your horses, John Wayne. Considering multiple nations have signed up to its and it's entirely voluntarily whether you follow it or not in or out of the court as an organisation. If stopping war crime and human rights abuses is self righteous and utopian then again, that's fine, I don't really care because I feel like a f*cking parrot. And we've already established you disagree out of the incessant number of one liners you've managed to bless us with today, but you seem to imply that's it's my project exclusively

posted on sul's ooc forum line :)

Vista Major, Yukona, Solla Ultima

Friedensreich wrote:

Ayyyyyyy lmpfao I do

Cool, why do you care about this court then?

If you know the alternative would be embargos that are just plain worse than having your assets frozen, and that the same nations in the court would embargo you if they weren't in one, then why would you be upset at it's creation?

Friedensreich wrote:Æ) It kinda does. You can't just claim something'll create peace. Especially since there are people actively against this idea, you can't claim peace will come out of regulating the behavior and inventory of nations. I know for sure that once you hippies try to get pissy at me because I violate your laws, keeping the peace will be nigh impossible.

The whole idea of how the court would work will not create peace. You're creating an organization whose favored mode of operation is to piss off nations outside of it through [Enter Method Here]. Do you really expect nations outside of the court to not get salty and refuse to follow your laws and hearings after you place travel bans and freeze up their money-making assets?

You can take a gander of what has happened irl when people place punishments on nations for violating their international law. Despite all the sanctions and attempts to stop them because of their violations, NK still has a nuclear program and is still a totalitarian dictatorship.

B) Point is that atleast you guys are getting something right. It's not entirely doomed to fail.

C) It's a statement, and a promise. Prepare to clean up hog blood off of the front entrance of your hippy organization!

So let me break this first one down:

1) You've done a war crime

2) A court has decided you've done a war crime and it's people freeze any assets your government has put inside the collective nations

3) You decide to war with them?

Yeah, smart move, now every nation but two others all agree that you're insane and won't ally or trade with you.

Oh, did I mention that one of the signatories is a member of the USCS? So invading him means you're warring with them, too. And then there's me, who most people rely upon for weaponry and wouldn't see invaded. Then there's Peng and Yukona, Peng is wholly peaceful and a member of O-HOPE so good luck of you invade him, and Yuk still has ties to the old allies of the ITF.

Simply put, you lose without "cheating".

North Korea is a dictatorship lead by an obese and evil man who is able to scare western civilians enough that china pays them piecemeal enough for the dictator to live in semi-luxury, but almost all of their people live in abject poverty. NK is a poor example to throw up because...again...they're just puppets to Beijing, and if Beijing wanted, NK would downgrade their armaments out of fear of starving. We've made them dependent on Chinese benefactors due to China's gov being full of scummy people.

Yukona

The Vidnoye wrote:posted on sul's ooc forum line :)

same here.

The Vidnoye, Yukona

The Vidnoye wrote:posted on sul's ooc forum line :)

I want to , i just dont feel like "Applying"

Yukona wrote:1) Never claimed it was your only argument so hold your horses, John Wayne.

2) Considering multiple nations have signed up to its and it's entirely voluntarily whether you follow it or not in or out of the court as an organisation. If stopping war crime and human rights abuses is self righteous and utopian then again, that's fine, I don't really care because I feel like a f*cking parrot.

3) And we've already established you disagree out of the incessant number of one liners you've managed to bless us with today, but you seem to imply that's it's my project exclusively

Let's break this down:

1) How else is this statement from you: "There's, what, three nations against it, all who use the OOC 'it's just not fun' to basically defend it" supposed to be interpreted?

2) We've already established it's going to have effects on nations outside of it, no? Don't you remember when I cited your own explanation of it that said all nations are under its jurisdiction? And, don't you also remember that I, someone that isn't going to be in it, still has to pay attention to your new laws now or be labeled a "war criminal"?

3) It's just my way of doing things. I keep things simple until I absolutely have to write walls of text. Nobody wants to read walls of text, and so I keep things short and sweet. If you don't like that, lemme just quote you about this whole court thing: "it's going to happen anyway", so if you have a problem with it, too bad?

I don't think I did. If you took it that way, I apologize. Until I say the words "exclusively yours", please don't assume I'm implying it is.

Finally, I tried offering an olive branch and said "no hard feelings", but you're getting more and more defensive. So this is where I end this conversation with you before I say something I'll regret. Expect an IC response shortly.

Russian Fedration

Kalaron wrote:Cool, why do you care about this court then?

If you know the alternative would be embargos that are just plain worse than having your assets frozen, and that the same nations in the court would embargo you if they weren't in one, then why would you be upset at it's creation?

So let me break this first one down:

1) You've done a war crime

2) A court has decided you've done a war crime and it's people freeze any assets your government has put inside the collective nations

3) You decide to war with them?

Yeah, smart move, now every nation but two others all agree that you're insane and won't ally or trade with you.

Oh, did I mention that one of the signatories is a member of the USCS? So invading him means you're warring with them, too. And then there's me, who most people rely upon for weaponry and wouldn't see invaded. Then there's Peng and Yukona, Peng is wholly peaceful and a member of O-HOPE so good luck of you invade him, and Yuk still has ties to the old allies of the ITF.

Simply put, you lose without "cheating".

North Korea is a dictatorship lead by an obese and evil man who is able to scare western civilians enough that china pays them piecemeal enough for the dictator to live in semi-luxury, but almost all of their people live in abject poverty. NK is a poor example to throw up because...again...they're just puppets to Beijing, and if Beijing wanted, NK would downgrade their armaments out of fear of starving. We've made them dependent on Chinese benefactors due to China's gov being full of scummy people.

I don't think I've made any sort of indication that I give a damn about who is in it, only that the idea of the organization as a whole is horrible. So your little bit about "I'm in it and I make gunz and stuff" is lost on me, simply because I don't care about how you're in it. I have nothing to do with you, and I want it to stay that way. To put it shortly, I'd rather fight a war than have to deal with some pain in my ass forever.

How would you feel about the example via Russia? Iran?

Russian Fedration

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Jaslandia, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:Let's break this down:

1) How else is this statement from you: "There's, what, three nations against it, all who use the OOC 'it's just not fun' to basically defend it" supposed to be interpreted?

2) We've already established it's going to have effects on nations outside of it, no? Don't you remember when I cited your own explanation of it that said all nations are under its jurisdiction? And, don't you also remember that I, someone that isn't going to be in it, still has to pay attention to your new laws now or be labeled a "war criminal"?

3) It's just my way of doing things. I keep things simple until I absolutely have to write walls of text. Nobody wants to read walls of text, and so I keep things short and sweet. If you don't like that, lemme just quote you about this whole court thing: "it's going to happen anyway", so if you have a problem with it, too bad?

I don't think I did. If you took it that way, I apologize. Until I say the words "exclusively yours", please don't assume I'm implying it is.

Finally, I tried offering an olive branch and said "no hard feelings", but you're getting more and more defensive. So this is where I end this conversation with you before I say something I'll regret. Expect an IC response shortly.

Jesus.

A) My interpretation of your (as in the collective, your friends, etc.) was that you want to commit war crimes or abuse human rights IC, therefore you don't want the court trying to stop you, because it's "not fun". <--- that's how it's interpreted

B) I've made it clear it is a voluntary nation to be a part of, but if you become a war criminal, nations will embargo your ENTIRE country regardless of whether there is a court or not. As a socialist, you should support the removal of the punishment from the people onto the real perpetrators, the government. You don't HAVE to freeze the assets or HAVE to extradite, you can if you want. Ultimately, you have to pay attention to all nations around you, again - regardless of the court - because that's diplomacy. This tries to remove the burden from the people, prevent unwanted wars, act as a level mediator, and provide some rules to war. If you don't like it - just like what you said to me - "too bad". The court isn't out to get you, if you're going to be committing war crimes/abusing HR, you're going to get embargoes and tension anyway.

B) Yeah, it is too bad, you do you just like I shall do I? Me and my friends wont stop making the court, you won't not be in it, so what exactly are we achieving here? It's going to happen anyway as in - I'm going to continue whether you like it or not, just like you are, so revert to the beginning of "B)" and see that reiterated.

D) Ends it with mmmk, assumed you were being sarcastic or giving a half assed olive branch at that, I don't hold you in ill standing apart from the fact you've made me literally want to cave my own head in with a claw hammer over the amount of times I've had to repeat myself

Yukona wrote:[spoiler]***RP***

Hello everyone!

I just have a little announcement to make. Me and Penguania And Antarctica have a great announcement which would be great if you all read. As most of you don't know, Yukona left the ITF shortly before it collapsed yesterday in order to become fully neutral, I also decided that we needed some sort of international regulating body in order to stop the bad things that have been happening from happening?

The international criminal court will be held in Vancouver, Yukona (TBA) and the international criminal court will be held in Icemounton, Penguania and Antarctica. There is a difference, Peng's court will handle the diplomacy-ish side of things, for example if a country has a bit of your land you think is yours, you can take that country to the justice court. This is for international disputes and everything that isn't a direct crime, so for example putting weapons in space/at a border, etc. etc. will all be under the justice court. The criminal court will handle people accused of breaking the universal declaration of human rights (we'll steal the UN one) or committing war crimes. They this would work is an international warrant would be put on your government members' heads, and they would receive a travel ban and a freeze on assets/more if we can think of it. The point is, embargoes hurt the people of the country and the country that is giving it out, therefore it is not in the best interest to enact trade restrictions as a punishment. If any government member that was wanted were to leave the country, they'd be requested by the court to be arrested and extradited by the country they're in and go to trial in Yukona.

Essentially, this is trying to stop people being morons and is purely in character. There are a few things to highlight, though: we won't come after you, this court doesn't have bounty hunters, etc. This is a purely voluntary movement, if a criminal in - say - Latrovia visits Kalaron and Kalaron don't want to extradite them, that's their call. Furthermore, when I say me and Peng head the organisation, it's only where the court is controlled from and located in its self (i.e the infrastructure and buildings, etc). We haven't figured it out yet, but somehow nations will be sat on the jury, act as judges, etc. - so everyone will be involved.

Currently we have Unfallious, Tserra, Baxten, Kumania, Yukona, Penguania and Latrovia ready to be a part of this idea - the point is, join or not, you will still be under the jurisdiction of the court. To explain this, if you commit a war crime, you will still have your foreign assets frozen and a travel ban placed on you - regardless of whether you're in the court or not as its outside of your control. However disputing the charge can only be done by willing members, therefore it's in your best interest to try and make your voice heard.

Sorry if that was a bit muddled and senseless, but hopefully you get the gist. We're not going to be writing out huge law codexes, we'll just be following the UDHR and other things like the rules of war, it's meant to be a bit of a laymans court, we're no experts.[/spoiler]

I like that idea. Percyton would be fully willing to cooperate with such an effort. In fact, since Percyton is already a neutral state, we'd be willing to house some offices or departments for the international courts. If Yukona or Peng need that, of course.

Penguania And Antarctica wrote:

- 1953 – Pierce Brosnan, Irish-American actor and producer

Happy birthday, Pierce! Pierce Brosnan was originally going to narrate both the U.S. and U.K. versions of my TV show starting from season 12, but he dropped out before that could happen; to this day, the producer people never told us why he left. However, Pierce did narrate the special The Great Discovery before he left, and me and the other engines got to meet Pierce when he visited the island. He was a very nice guy, and I think he was just as excited to meet us as were to meet him.

Continental Commonwealths wrote:The Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy welcomes its newest signatory, [nation=short]The United Providences of Perland[/nation]! Welcome aboard, Per!

Continental Commonwealths wrote:Busy day for the Organization for Humanity, Optimism, Peace, and Empathy as we welcome [nation=short]Latrovia[/nation] as our newest signatory and [nation=short]The Cross and Davids Star[/nation] as our newest observer!

Congrats to all of you! Our O-HOPE family continues to grow!

Jaslandia wrote:Just so you all know, this is my first RMB post as a high school graduate. I had my formal graduation ceremony earlier today.

Congratulations, Jas! With me being around as long as I have, I've seen countless children grow up and graduate high school, even if I can't always be at the ceremony. I always envy those graduates: So young and eager, ready to take on the world. It's an attitude I think more of us should adopt, and I hope you have that attitude as you leave high school!

Jaslandia, Latrovia, Penguania And Antarctica, The United Providences Of Perland, Yukona, James The Red Engine

https://youtu.be/uOyoRtVrOAo

Lol the rainbow flag is an AltRight symbol because you're separating the colors lol

Belmora wrote:https://youtu.be/uOyoRtVrOAo

Lol the rainbow flag is an AltRight symbol because you're separating the colors lol

I like your banner guy, looks pretty neat

Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica

Friedensreich wrote:I don't think I've made any sort of indication that I give a damn about who is in it, only that the idea of the organization as a whole is horrible. So your little bit about "I'm in it and I make gunz and stuff" is lost on me, simply because I don't care about how you're in it. I have nothing to do with you, and I want it to stay that way. To put it shortly, I'd rather fight a war than have to deal with some pain in my ass forever.

How would you feel about the example via Russia? Iran?

Friedensreich wrote: I know for sure that once you hippies try to get pissy at me because I violate your laws, keeping the peace will be nigh impossible.

The implication of this statement is that you'll war with the members of the court.

If you're going to war with them, then clearly you either care or the style of the RP from your last region is nearly incompatible with our own. Again, almost no one will RP with you if you're literally willing to ignore how humans actually react until your nation gets destroyed.

Furthermore, this is a case of how disingenuous any argument with you on this matter is. By refusing to understand how overwhelmingly terrible the outcome would be for you (think "Be slaughtered", not "Fight a war"), you only help to prove that it doesn't matter what points are given, you'll only read a quarter of it and dismiss the rest of the argument.

Russia's economy is slowing to a crawl, but is supported by oil. Almost every non-AK weapon program they launch is liable to fail while these sanctions are in effect, but they will likely still be approved for construction. Furthermore, Russia is led by a near-dictator of a leader who regularly lavishes his friends with incredible amounts of wealth, the corruption is nearly tangible from here, so of course he won't care at all, he's absolutely insulated and Russia won't collapse while Oil is priced highly.

Iran is supported by an incredibly large amount of oil that it can pawn off at Japan and Eastern Asia...or china too...that inevitably saves it from the full implication of it's effects.

Woah so a state can either be a puppet state or have oil and survive being sanctioned by the grace of a high market, it's almost like no nation would ever want to live under that worry unless the leaders knew it could survive on dirt sandwhiches for a long while in the real world.

Except then you realize how ineffective that is in a region full of reletively eco-friendly nations where demand is comparatively low during the booms and supply is almost always extrodinarily high.

Yukona wrote:Jesus.

A) My interpretation of your (as in the collective, your friends, etc.) was that you want to commit war crimes or abuse human rights IC, therefore you don't want the court trying to stop you, because it's "not fun". <--- that's how it's interpreted

B) I've made it clear it is a voluntary nation to be a part of, but if you become a war criminal, nations will embargo your ENTIRE country regardless of whether there is a court or not. As a socialist, you should support the removal of the punishment from the people onto the real perpetrators, the government. You don't HAVE to freeze the assets or HAVE to extradite, you can if you want. Ultimately, you have to pay attention to all nations around you, again - regardless of the court - because that's diplomacy. This tries to remove the burden from the people, prevent unwanted wars, act as a level mediator, and provide some rules to war. If you don't like it - just like what you said to me - "too bad". The court isn't out to get you, if you're going to be committing war crimes/abusing HR, you're going to get embargoes and tension anyway.

B) Yeah, it is too bad, you do you just like I shall do I? Me and my friends wont stop making the court, you won't not be in it, so what exactly are we achieving here? It's going to happen anyway as in - I'm going to continue whether you like it or not, just like you are, so revert to the beginning of "B)" and see that reiterated.

D) Ends it with mmmk, assumed you were being sarcastic or giving a half assed olive branch at that, I don't hold you in ill standing apart from the fact you've made me literally want to cave my own head in with a claw hammer over the amount of times I've had to repeat myself

A) I don't and don't plan to, but I don't like the thought of groups of nations organizing to enforce laws that I don't like in the first place.

I'd absolutely love it if an organization formed to prevent war, but one that just freezes its assets and lightens up its own coffers with other nations over the way it treats its own people is just something I do not like.

As a socialist, if the people of the nation that you guys consider abusive of HR don't rebel or appeal for it, it shouldn't be any foreign nation's right to interfere and try to 'help'. If they do nothing and do not ask for help, leave them alone. When/if they do ask for help, by all means, glass 'em. I'd probably be interested in helping, to be honest, if the people of the nation ask for it.

My problem with this whole court is that, while it's good at getting the real perpetrators, it ignores the fact that some nations don't need or want what you want. Cultural differences exist. If women here have to wear burqas as part of their culture, for example, and you consider that an affront to human rights, you should respect my culture enough not to go crazy about it. You should only try doing your thing after you have reason to believe that the people don't like it. You shouldn't automatically freeze up assets and pass out the gavels once you find out about what the nation is doing in violation of your laws. If you only acted after referenda or any other way of collecting public opinion were passed that said the government was working against the wishes of the people, you'd probably get a big thumbs up from me.

D) I'm a b!tch, you should know that by now :P

Plus, I haven't had caffeine all day, which has probably made me irritable and ditzy. You should probably know that I drink tea like a fish, so you can probably guess I have a caffeine addiction by now.

Russian Fedration

Yukona wrote:I like your banner guy, looks pretty neat

I'm Aldaur :p But thanks! :p It's the Russian Armed Services symbol

Penguania And Antarctica, Yukona

UK :)

http://s15.zetaboards.com/COFN/topic/10201365/1/#new

Jaslandia, Vista Major

O-HOPE is best hope

North Naboo is my boo

Jaslandia, Belmora, Penguania And Antarctica

Oh boy, I can't wait to burn... I mean help Sulania

Merlinton, The Vidnoye, Penguania And Antarctica, Magnatronia

this might be random but where in the world is 100 on the map

Russian Fedration, Belmora

Solla Ultima wrote:this might be random but where in the world is 100 on the map

https://youtu.be/7lvemCG1AQg?t=1m25s

Well I wont be in the sulainian rp :(

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