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How about you get off your computer, turn around and go outside, take a deep breathe, and realize all of what youve been saying all day and see how stupid you are
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I understand you are enjoying flamebaiting, but I think you should reflect on how that's not an argument.
The New Fandom Republic, Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Post self-deleted by Great Stubbington.
Ok buddy
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Post self-deleted by Quebecshire.
No, seriously, what's your point?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
You are Ban Evading.
Dragons Of Power
Magic
*woosh*
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Yeah, that's about what I thought. Be productive or cut it out.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Im being productive, Ive sold baking powder the kids down the street mom. I made 580 bucks cuz they thought it was coke.
Remember kids, dont listen to your parents, do dr*gs
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, Greater Sacramento
mood
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
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Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
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Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, Greater Sacramento
78 new messages, and all of them are the leauge going into civil war
great
Also hello young redditor the fact that you are here reading this shows only one thing, that you are a redditor with a very big brain. So [please carry on with you day and go browse r/funni
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I think you're severely overstating what's happening.
The New Fandom Republic, Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I am for commdic effect
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
For anyone who is for my ban, let me just say I'm not against regulation of the f word but the fact I was instantly banned for it which is treatment worse than we've seen with actual homophobes in this region. I said the f word twice in a gc and I got banned and let's remeber Quebec has said multiple times he will base his moderation of his emotions and considering there was an argument over mc right before this it really starts to make sense why I was banned.
If you think banning a gay guy for saying the f word in a gc away from the server is ok then that's on you.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
You were banned because you were spamming it knowing it was against the rules. That's unbecoming. You also defended your actions. Attempting to slander me when every single administrator and moderator involved has agreed that what you did was deliberate and violated the rules is not productive.
If I only give people a slap on the wrist for brazen violations of rules like that, they will think they can get away with it. Also, your treatment is not worse than "actual homophobes", at least not under any current mod policy.
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power, Malgax
Banning people who openly violate the rules and then insist that they have a right to do so is pretty reasonable. I don't know what you thought would happen.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Wasn't spam I said like 4 time at most, yes I'm defending the actions in the sense it isn't ban worthy, lol "slander" ok.
It wasn't even on server and a mute isn't a slap on the wrist and the current policy has changed so many times so that means nothing
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
So again banning a gay guy for saying the f word and treating it like actual homophobia
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
You actually called it spam last night yourself.
I'm not treating it like anything other than a violation of the ban on the term in relation to our community.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I don't know why you keep claiming we're treating it like "actual homophobia." Nobody claimed you're a homophobe, you were just behaving in an unbecoming manner.
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power
No I didn't and its being treated worse than homophobia. I guarantee if the general public knew everything there would be alot more ppl siding with us.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
An instant ban treats it like that
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
How is it being treated than homophobia? What?
No, it doesn't. An instant ban treats it like un-regretted brazen rulebreaking.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Just a year ago it took forever to ban Caezar and then you pressured me to make a statement to NSGP and manipulate the statement to make it look like we were swift in action when that was far from the case. Oh yeah and my sexuality mattered then when it benefited you!
And sure buddy an instant ban treats it like rulebreaking, despite the fact that slur was said in the server just a few months ago.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power, Malgax
You're literally just lying now.
We were wrong to not handle Caezar quickly, but you were not pressured to do anything, and lying about that is utterly disgusting. This is ridiculous and I'm done. If you want to know the conditions of an unban, I'll gladly state them.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Nah there was obvious pressure in vc otherwise I would have posted my original unfiltered statement of what happened but you made me revise it so it doesn't look bad
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
Plus wasn't Sac's statement literally about how we dropped the ball with Caezar and that was the real issue, not people using slurs jokingly? Like, he's taking a stance now that is consistent with what he said then (but wrong, in my opinion).
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power
I'm done. You can just leave if you're going to lie like this.
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power
The point here is an actual homophobe was treated better than I am now
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
You know exactly who is lying here buddy cause again that more lengthy statement would have come out
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
Oh yeah. We really screwed up. Caezar 100% was not handled promptly and that was an error. Thankfully we did handle it. But you can't lie and then say "look at this from a previous mod policy" to help you now. We both know if someone did what Caezar did but today, they would 100% be clapped quickly. Don't lie.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Sac wasn't pressured to say anything. The only thing that might have happened is a statement was condensed or told to be worded professionally if we were going to publish it as a part of a larger thing. I honestly will not tolerate literal libel here, so get out with that garbage.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
"An error" of constant harrasment being allowed. Again the point here is that Caezar got better treatment than I am getting now and the mod policy has changed so many times so that doesn't matter.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
So what you're saying is that we should apply a poor and failed mod policy to you because we were wrong to give Caezar leeway in the past? That's incredibly stupid.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Nah the point here is that the moderation is so double sided and inconsistent
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
It's not inconsistent. And if it is, you wouldn't be bringing up something from 10 months ago under a different policy.
Caezar is absolutely irrelevant to what happened yesterday and today.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Nah it is, because it shows moderation policy is not based off of what is best for the community but what suits your agenda
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
My agenda? Which is what? Not letting people say slurs?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
The admins have put a lot of work into improving moderation policy in a manner that has improved the region in several ways, and I think plenty of people have seen that. You being upset that you can't say a slur doesn't change that.
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
Guys we literally lost the leagues chronicle and speaker of the council we are just ignoring this
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
Nope. The Chronicle will either be suspended or redone in a different manner. Pursuant to the Constitution, a new Speaker will be appointed by tonight.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
You wanting to be a loved member in things like NSGP, cause remember we arent a community. We are your region
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
You are free to engage in whatever conspiratorial nonsense you wish to, which is clearly being enabled by Gagium with that regard.
Our community is doing just fine and is in my opinion better without tolerance for slurs. You're "my" region, and the admins have the right to take policies we think better it. Every action has been made by all of us in agreement for what we think improves the region.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Why even argue just unban, forgive, and forget.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
We will gladly do so if they can make us be confident that they will abide by our rules.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
You really don't realize how many people are frustrated with your stuff, it's just that only a few of us are willing to speak out.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
How brave of you to speak out in defense of saying slurs!
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
We have been consistently improving the region's administration and OOC Moderation policies since last summer when the whole embassy closure thing happened. A benefit of that is our newly expanded presence in the NSGP and the resurgence of the LDF. We are developing positive relationships with other regions and our moderation policies are a part of that. You've seen us close relations with the Red Wolf Alliance and India among others. This is not a bad thing.
The New Fandom Republic, Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
Thanks for twisting "Being sick of the inconsistent and two faced moderation policy"!
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
I'll agree to one thing here, Minecraft is a scourge, and honestly that might've contributed to your ban. However, that wasn't the basis of the ban being maintained. That came from the entire moderation team because we thought you weren't going to even agree to follow the server rules. If we were in a perfect sphere of window with infinity IQ, there's probably an academic point to be had about reclamation of slurs by their targets... But in a pragmatic, realistic sense, if you set your motto to your current discord status, you'd get warned regardless of your sexuality.
For the past three bans, the common thread across moderation is that there is a concern that members will just not follow the rules. When Legion sent Quebec a picture of him saying "r-tard" in another server, that's just breaking the rules. He could have said something along the lines of "I don't think that
'r-tard'" should be banned on the server. This opinion kinda sucks, but I used to hold it as well. In the spirit of full disclosure or something-
[spoiler=Me being wrong, circa 2020 CW: has r slur]
"It's not even that the usage of 'retard' are inherently harmful. It's not like 'o we gottem NSGPers now', or 'o we gottem LCNers now', as it's clear that it isn't being used as a slur against the disabled in either server.
Is it part of a more troubling trend of society to start misappropriating medical terminology for the mental disabled as insults over time?
I mean yes
Is it a server's responsibility to deal with societal ills that don't harm the safety of the server?
Hopefully not"
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Why my opinion was wrong, circa now]
It turns out that discord servers are part of society, and what we were doing was just abdicating responsibility.
[/spoiler]
That's an opinion that doesn't violate the server rules, but both Gagium and Legion's behavior was akin to taking pics of yourself vaping and sending it to the principal. It's not smart, it'll get you in trouble, and regardless of whether or not you believe the rule is good or bad isn't going to justify it.
Xusma brought the idea up earlier in #public that it was akin to wanting people to bend backwards to apologize, but really, just say that you'll follow the rules, and do follow the rules, and everything's dandy. No apology required, at all, 0 apologies.
-Side Note-
Caezar's bullshit is a large part of the reason we started going more hardline on people to begin with, being in a governmental/other position shouldn't matter whatsoever to how rule violations are handled.
Paleocacher, Creeperopolis, Icaris, Terranihil, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta, Malgax
I think Spode summarized it all rather well.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
Don't you love when you're working a full time job that wasn't one just a month ago, having to manage four college classes, and also have this thrown at you. Just amazing, it really is. Thank you to all of you who initiated it. You're making my life even more of a living hell than it already is. I appreciate it
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
And this is where my frustration comes from. Ive said multiple times a mute or whatever is fine but the fact that block game argument affected moderation policy.
And again I am not defending the use of that word but the fact that saying the f sure resulted in an instant ban for me because again Block game is beyond frustrating and its common knowledge Quebec's basis his punishment levels based on his current mood.
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
The region will be fine. No amount of conspiratorial nonsense or libel is going to justify the actions of those doing this crap, and we'll move forward with or without them.
It's not like we're setting a particularly unreasonable bar.
Creeperopolis, Icaris, Dragons Of Power
So if you're not defending the use of the word, you agree to the admin team's understanding of what would cause the ban to be revoked?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Crap always hits the fan when you are either in the bathroom, at work, or asleep.
The New Fandom Republic, Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power
Embassy construction has commenced between The League and The East Pacific.
Finally, some good news. 🎉
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
im always on the hammock and im forced to get up and go to the table
Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power
Yes! I literally said that in my DMs with you! But im not bending over back acting like this was handled a ok and that how minecraft affect moderation is fine
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
oh super poggers a gcr embassy
Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power
You didn't though. You said you had the right to say it off the server in other group chats. You can continue to pretend that the ban was unreasonable, but whatever.
This is the bare minimum for being unbanned,
You need to acknowledge that you will not use the f-slur or the r-slur in any venues relating to the region, its community, and its members. That is not limited to the server. That includes other chats, and you can't make or use chats to circumvent that, or in good conscience, we can't let you back in.
Also, I'm finding the behavior in the FCN pretty concerning, but that's secondary.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
No no, it's not that I think the region is falling apart, we'll be fine. It's the fact that I have to deal with this in the first place let alone learn about it the second I get off of a stressful day of work. It's just tiring... that's all
Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power
Well yeah, it is tiring.
Creeperopolis, Eminople, Dragons Of Power
We actually have diplo relations with 4 feeder GCRs and 1 sinker GCR
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Only took 45 days, eh?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
Honestly the moderation policy of being based on the moderator in question is kinda bad. Specifically the length of mutes being defined by the person handle them out. I think that the special protocol system is a stepping stone that could be usefully expanded to just general usage and consistency
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I figured as much but still
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Again thank you to all the people who initiated this. I shall give you a round of applause then a quick middle finger right after as I go back to work
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Moderators have more strict protocols. However, I trust the admins with more open discretion.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Yes if I want to joke with another region person about it I should not, everything is regional related
You need to acknowledge that he will not use the f-slur or the r-slur in any venues relating to the region, its community, and its members. That is not limited to the server. That includes other chats, and you can't make or use chats to circumvent that, or in good conscience, we can't let you back in.
Also, I'm finding the behavior in the FCN pretty concerning, but that's secondary. [/quote]
Me sh*tposting in the FCN is bad, ok.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Alright, let's relax. We got this under control, just go handle work and chill a bit.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
RMB has finally calmed down?
Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Dragons Of Power, New Makasta
Wdym
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
You guys literally were chatting and associating to whoever made a puppet with the slur in it. It is bad, yes.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Ha.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Not yet but somewhat
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
He's upset at the people who were breaking rules, lying about other members, and et cetera.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Im not one of those people, am I?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
dunno who the puppet was and by the time I saw it, it was gone
Creeperopolis, Xusma, Dragons Of Power
No. Sac, Gagium, and Legion are. And Xusma isn't helping.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
nobody is asking u to deal w this bud but okay
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power, Greater Sacramento
It was most likliy legion
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
I still think that what is going on there is rather unbecoming and indicative of how you guys are handling this, but that's just my take. You also botched the quote code and didn't address the rest entirely.
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
Well, he is an admin, so he kinda does have to?
Creeperopolis, Eminople, Dragons Of Power
what?
Creeperopolis, Dragons Of Power
You botched the quote code.
Regardless, if we unban you and you violate our trust on that, you're probably done for good. I hope that is understood. And the FCN thing needs to be resolved imho, but Terry isn't on right now.
Creeperopolis
Go away
Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, New Makasta
Where im not seeing it
Creeperopolis
Whatever, not the point. At all. Fix the FCN stuff and we can consider an unban, we need to understand that you're actually fixing this. Your status not being removed also is not helping.
Creeperopolis
I thing he means like this
, like shortened it as I did with the message by Quebec.Creeperopolis, Greater Sacramento
Road to 100
Creeperopolis, Spode Humbled Minions, Quebecshire, New Makasta, Republic Of Dragons, East Yourtanad
Not helpful, not the time.
I mean this drama is kind of providing more pages of messages
Creeperopolis, Republic Of Dragons
That's not good.
Creeperopolis
True it shows how long this drama has been going for and this isnt healthy when in the future people will go back and find this drama
Creeperopolis, New Makasta, Republic Of Dragons
Not to be snippy, but having RMB activity at the cost of fracturing the region is not very poggers
Creeperopolis, Quebecshire, Republic Of Dragons
It is what it is. People dying on the hill of "Quebec bad cuz uh he's an NSGP agent who doesn't let me say slurs" is not going to age well as a take. Hopefully they'll recognize that.
The New Fandom Republic, Creeperopolis, Icaris, New Makasta, Republic Of Dragons
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