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America The Greater wrote:-Snip

I do get your perspective, I think i've already said my piece and I'm interested in what our fellow MPs think too! Albeit, I suppose getting MPs to regulate themselves might be difficult :D

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:I don't think we should kick someone out of Paraliament for being inactive. I believe if they are inactive for more than three months a vote should be called to vote to oust that person from parliament and enforce a 3 week- to amonth penalty from joining back as an MP.

I disagree with this much more strongly - I will never be in favor of voting to remove somebody from Parliament, and I also feel a 3-4 week penalty for being inactive is almost draconian. If people are inactive, but decide they want to return and become active again, this type of punishment will lock them out of doing so. It would totally stamp out all activity for people who return from a long absence.

Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:-Snip

The amendment is somewhat of a compromise between this style approach but yet not really affecting those who wish to rejoin

Vordoslavia

America The Greater wrote:I disagree with this much more strongly - I will never be in favor of voting to remove somebody from Parliament, and I also feel a 3-4 week penalty for being inactive is almost draconian. If people are inactive, but decide they want to return and become active again, this type of punishment will lock them out of doing so. It would totally stamp out all activity for people who return from a long absence.

Are you upset with the voting aspect or the lockout period I don't like the lockout period but I felt that was a compromise.

Vordoslavia

America The Greater wrote:From experience, pruning the list of MPs like this would require keeping track of all MPs and when they've voted last - for such a minor issue of removing people from the list, this would require a decent amount of work to keep up to date. I don't feel this encourages participation, I feel removing people from Parliament would only lead to a decrease in activity.

We could keep a tracker of the last session they participated in, but not for the purposes of pruning, instead for targeted turnout campaigns

America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:Are you upset with the voting aspect or the lockout period I don't like the lockout period but I felt that was a compromise.

Both, I feel both measures are excessively punishing toward people who may return.

Vordoslavia

From The Parliamentarian party, please vote AGAINST Gine Caruttiva's Amendment to Article VII. This amendment would negatively impact TRTHNBB, making parliament more of an elitist democracy than a direct democracy, which harms new and less involved nations in our region.

Thanks,

DPM Mjau

America The Greater, Vordoslavia, Western Arba Fir

Still nothing

I don't want to go home

I hate this

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:We could keep a tracker of the last session they participated in, but not for the purposes of pruning, instead for targeted turnout campaigns

I'm totally in favor of this!

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia, Mjau, Vladyslak

Vladyslak wrote:Still nothing

I don't want to go home

I hate this

I'm sorry Vlady, I really hope things get better soon.

Vordoslavia, Vladyslak

America The Greater wrote:Both, I feel both measures are excessively punishing toward people who may return.

So in your opinion what is a fair action to be done on those who are inactive?

Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:-Snip

Fair, maybe if this doesn't pass I'll speak to GC about a turnout inspired act, where we would contact MPs directly either via TG or Discord to say they haven't voted in a few times, but lets see what people think I guess - then it doesn't feel negative.

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:So in your opinion what is a fair action to be done on those who are inactive?

I don't support any punishment toward those who are inactive. I agree with Yodle's suggestion of trying to return them to activity by sending messages and encouraging them to vote, but if they don't, it harms absolutely nobody. Any punishment for inactivity would by definition harm somebody, so any punishment is by definition worse than no punishment imo

Vordoslavia, Vladyslak

America The Greater wrote:I'm totally in favor of this!

Yeah it basically achieves the same objective whilst also not being negative

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Vladyslak

I have a very strong urge to scream for multiple minutes on end

I don't feel safe

Vordoslavia, Krayo29

America The Greater wrote:I don't support any punishment toward those who are inactive. I agree with Yodle's suggestion of trying to return them to activity by sending messages and encouraging them to vote, but if they don't, it harms absolutely nobody. Any punishment for inactivity would by definition harm somebody, so any punishment is by definition worse than no punishment imo

Fair, I completely understand your pov. I just am really against having a 40 person Parliament and it turns out only 17 people actually have any interest in doing anything for the Region. I do really like Yodleidea of keeping a log of keeping track of activity.

Vordoslavia, Krayo29, Vladyslak

hi

it is called a [nation=noflag]Yodle[/nation]dea

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

I wanna run away but I know they'll catch me so I'll just stay

Vordoslavia

We can also label statuses on MPs, such as “Active” and “Inactive,” the difference being that it labels them as people who we want to bring back on the band wagon. This is all an HTML nation simulator game, no need to be punitive

America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Vordoslavia, Vladyslak

Welp, here goes a lot

Bye bye

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Mjau wrote:From The Parliamentarian party, please vote AGAINST Gine Caruttiva's Amendment to Article VII. This amendment would negatively impact TRTHNBB, making parliament more of an elitist democracy than a direct democracy, which harms new and less involved nations in our region.

Thanks,

DPM Mjau

could you elaborate how?

Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva wrote:could you elaborate how?

I think a lot of people are against the idea of just removing someone from Parliament just like that.

Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:I think a lot of people are against the idea of just removing someone from Parliament just like that.

"just like that" if ur inactive then leave yourself. if you don't wanna leave or can't, we'll do it for you. if you don't leave the parliament yourself after you go inactive doesn't that seem more like an "anti-direct democracy"?

Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva wrote:"just like that" if ur inactive then leave yourself. if you don't wanna leave or can't, we'll do it for you. if you don't leave the parliament yourself after you go inactive doesn't that seem more like an "anti-direct democracy"?

It's not democratic for anyone to be pushed out of Parliament, even if they can just rejoin. Why should we push people out? I haven't seen any justification that outweighs the downsides, both of which are relatively light anyway. I see no reason to vote for your proposal.

Vordoslavia

Mjau wrote:-snip

This is being raised by a Member of Parliament an average citizen - so I think calling it Elitist is a bit much and a mis-understanding of how the bill works.

Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva wrote:i take part in the robotics event in vienna with my team. we got a score 17/700 today 😭

and now we gotta do it tmmr twice again

cheer up and keep going

America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva wrote:"just like that" if ur inactive then leave yourself. if you don't wanna leave or can't, we'll do it for you. if you don't leave the parliament yourself after you go inactive doesn't that seem more like an "anti-direct democracy"?

I understand your view point and even agree that some sort of emphasis has to be placed on inactive MP's and I would like there to be without them being removed automatically from Parliament but it seems like most fear this will either deter said member from joining back or discourage future members from joining. Both we don't want to happen.

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

America The Greater wrote:-Snip

It's mine and GC's proposal, it doesn't push anyone out of Parliament who's active that's the point... but I do take on board a potential future bill of turnout focused approach.

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

New United Common-Lands wrote:This is being raised by a Member of Parliament an average citizen - so I think calling it Elitist is a bit much and a mis-understanding of how the bill works.

It's about a belief that MPs should be held to a higher standard than any citizen, which is counter to what an MP is supposed to be, so I think calling it elitist isn't wholly unfair-- although I agree it's a stretch

Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:I understand your view point and even agree that some sort of emphasis has to be placed on inactive MP's and I would like there to be without them being removed automatically from Parliament but it seems like most fear this will either deter said member from joining back or discourage future members from joining. Both we don't want to happen.

I don't think that would discourage anyone from joining or rejoining. Why else should you join the Parliament? Vote, write bills, represent. Why should you do that when you're inactive anyways? At some point we'll just have a bunch of inactive MPs

Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva wrote:I don't think that would discourage anyone from joining or rejoining. Why else should you join the Parliament? Vote, write bills, represent. Why should you do that when you're inactive anyways? At some point we'll just have a bunch of inactive MPs

And they'll cycle in and out, as they always do. I don't see what the problem is here. I recommend checking Yodle's message on the Discord, he's summarized a lot of my arguments in a more concise and better way. Parliament is and has always been our primary tool for getting everybody started in the government, and requiring a baseline level of activity is going to discourage people from joining.

Vordoslavia, Krayo29

New United Common-Lands wrote:It's mine and GC's proposal, it doesn't push anyone out of Parliament who's active that's the point... but I do take on board a potential future bill of turnout focused approach.

I absolutely agree that something has to be done about inactive MP's in the future as I am very against people who are just sitting there but Im not sure an automatic removal is necessary.

New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia

America The Greater wrote:-Snip

I have seperate annoyance about talk of elitism in the region maybe I'm just a lil senstive to that but yeah

Yodle, America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:I absolutely agree that something has to be done about inactive MP's in the future as I am very against people who are just sitting there but Im not sure an automatic removal is necessary.

I don't think there is any reason to be against that. MP is not an elite role and shouldn't have requirements other than citizenship.

Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:I absolutely agree that something has to be done about inactive MP's in the future as I am very against people who are just sitting there but Im not sure an automatic removal is necessary.

I agree, lets see where the vote goes, me & GC will absolutely take onboard the feedback from MPs thank you all.

America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga

Gine Caruttiva wrote:I don't think that would discourage anyone from joining or rejoining. Why else should you join the Parliament? Vote, write bills, represent. Why should you do that when you're inactive anyways? At some point we'll just have a bunch of inactive MPs

I 100% agree and I wrote an earlier chat addressing my concern with a large number of inactive MP's. I am right there with you. The part you lost me and I believe many people is the idea that a speaker or in general a member can be automatically removed. I as an MP have been pondering a solution for this for a while now. But I'm not sure this is the way to go.

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia

Who wants to be a Follower of Yodlism? You get to join the cabal and be the most elite!

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia

Its actually fun have proper debates on this stuff!

Parliament and Political Parties are starting to function quite well, so big credit to ATG as speaker for that and also our increasingly active political party scene

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Krayo29

Flomonga wrote:I as an MP have been pondering a solution for this for a while now. But I'm not sure this is the way to go.

Yodle has provided some really interesting ideas to the problem of activity - I know not everybody can join the Discord right now, so Yodle, if you get a chance, I'd really appreciate you talking about those ways to encourage activity here on the RMB. Just so I don't steal your ideas, lol

Yodle, Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:Who wants to be a Follower of Yodlism? You get to join the cabal and be the most elite!

I was Elite once...

New United Common-Lands wrote:Its actually fun have proper debates on this stuff!

Parliament and Political Parties are starting to function quite well, so big credit to ATG as speaker for that and also our increasingly active political party scene

Thanks NUCL! Wouldn't be happening without you inspiring this stuff too, people (myself included) are always excited to hear your take on an issue.

New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29

America The Greater wrote:Yodle has provided some really interesting ideas to the problem of activity - I know not everybody can join the Discord right now, so Yodle, if you get a chance, I'd really appreciate you talking about those ways to encourage activity here on the RMB. Just so I don't steal your ideas, lol

You can post it verbatim if you wish, credit is of no concern haha

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Vladyslak wrote:I have a very strong urge to scream for multiple minutes on end

I don't feel safe

If yelling releases tension, do it.

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

"Something for the Activity Committee to consider

We should view Parliament from the frame of reference of it being a purely volunteer venture. This means that the goal should ALWAYS be breaking down barriers to access, because human nature dictates that the more 'red tape' you have to go through the less likely you are to even try

Plus these are teens or younger that are the player base, so we really should be streamlining as much as possible

It makes sense for elected or appointed officials to have measures in place to address a lack of performance (or whatever else the issue is), but it really doesn’t make sense to have anything like that for people who can very easily be like 'nope I’m done lol'

Because they will LOL"

"We keep an active record of the % turnout, and make stretch goals as we go through sessions to try and maintain broader participation (outside the smaller group of MPs doing the internal debates )"

"Then we can have another project be MP recruitment with new (and old) players"

Courtesy of Yodle

IMO these are perfect ways to encourage activity without punishing inactivity.

Yodle, Vordoslavia

Gine Caruttiva

I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue. I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29

Flomonga wrote:Gine Caruttiva

I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue.I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.

I agree, it's going to stay controversial but I like GC's first couple bills. GC is definitely doing a great job getting involved in Parliament.

Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29

Agree or disagree, and political endorsements aside, lol.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:Gine Caruttiva

I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue.I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.

Yes even if it doesn't pass right now it's defintely prompted some great discussions about how we can address this in the future! Well done GC.

America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29

Flomonga wrote:Gine Caruttiva

I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue. I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.

And Nucl

America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia

Flomonga wrote:Gine Caruttiva

I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue. I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.

Thank you for mentioning this Flomonga, the fact that Gine put his proposed solution out there has got a discussion begun and a new piece of future legislation that has broad support, good job Gine Caruttiva!

America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29

I've added a new section to the voting responses sheet that includes the maximum number of "Against" votes that a bill can receive and still pass, if every other MP votes for a bill.

Yodle, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia

Everyone’s capacity to compromise is a sign that healthy debate is happening!

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29, Maen

Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Pyhdon wrote:Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

Yodɛl

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:Yodɛl

Your name is N'abɪonar d'ras ærɔŋɪosjɪonɪɑlkdɛŋklɪhɑhnjklɪonmæljknjɛdk

America The Greater, Vordoslavia

Pyhdon wrote:Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

At one point, when you first posted, i did try to work some words out but somehow i still dont understand Lol.

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

New United Common-Lands wrote:At one point, when you first posted, i did try to work some words out but somehow i still dont understand Lol.

Use the ai

Nuvea-Unis-Noror-d'olisod-du-terrem tʌt ðɪs ɪz iːzɪ

Vordoslavia

New United Common-Lands wrote:At one point, when you first posted, i did try to work some words out but somehow i still dont understand Lol.

I am a squiggly lines

Æɛrdɛslɛvɪɛ

who was writing my name and having a seizure while doing so?

Vordoslavia wrote:I am a squiggly lines

Æɛrdɛslɛvɪɛ

who was writing my name and having a seizure while doing so?

ChatGPT @https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1

Vordoslavia

Pyhdon wrote:ChatGPT @https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1

Liar!

So you do know what ChatGPT is...

Krayo29

Pyhdon wrote:Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

tempted to make this for aurenian now

Vordoslavia

Vordoslavia wrote:Liar!

So you do know what ChatGPT is...

I found out now I made this today

Vordoslavia

Pyhdon wrote:Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

also corpse sicrib merbn is hilarious

Vordoslavia

Vordoslavia wrote:Liar!

So you do know what ChatGPT is...

U r not being very nice

I found out today and thought "I need it for my lingo!"

Vordoslavia

Claibornia wrote:also corpse sicrib merbn is hilarious

use this link https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1 to translate

Vordoslavia

Pyhdon wrote:Made a translator

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286

Very comprehensive, I like the use of phonetics and diacritics. Also, reading this gave me schizophrenia.

In other news: BUGS! They're in your skin, and what YOU can do about it.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

may or may not have just head a tornado siren

Vordoslavia, Pyhdon

Chronic And Violent Ibs wrote:Very comprehensive, I like the use of phonetics and diacritics. Also, reading this gave me schizophrenia.

In other news: BUGS! They're in your skin, and what YOU can do about it.

use ai https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1

Vordoslavia

Chronic And Violent Ibs wrote:Very comprehensive, I like the use of phonetics and diacritics. Also, reading this gave me schizophrenia.

In other news: BUGS! They're in your skin, and what YOU can do about it.

Krɒnɪk ʌnd Vaɪələnt AɪBS

Vordoslavia

Claibornia wrote:may or may not have just head a tornado siren

hailnaw

Vordoslavia

Claibornia wrote:may or may not have just head a tornado siren

You are cooked

Good Luck

Pyhdon wrote:hailnaw

Vordoslavia wrote:You are cooked

Good Luck

i dont think it was actually i dont hear it anymore

maybe it was taken out

Vordoslavia

I love how my town had an 82% totality eclipse today but it's goddamn overcast and we couldn't even see it

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29, Western Arba Fir

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=claibornia/detail=factbook/id=2017834 heres a few things

Vordoslavia

Chronic And Violent Ibs wrote:Very comprehensive, I like the use of phonetics and diacritics. Also, reading this gave me schizophrenia.

In other news: BUGS! They're in your skin, and what YOU can do about it.

The fact that this was your first post on the RMB in like a week is hilarious

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Flomonga

Claibornia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=claibornia/detail=factbook/id=2017834 heres a few things

https://chat.openai.com/c/3b5959b9-6960-4c27-9b0b-c2edb292e9b7

Vordoslavia

Claibornia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=claibornia/detail=factbook/id=2017834 heres a few things

Can you do me ?

Claibornia wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/nation=claibornia/detail=factbook/id=2017834 heres a few things

me

Vordoslavia

New-Union wrote:Mom?

Hah! No.

Vordoslavia, Claibornia

Vordoslavia wrote:Can you do me ?

Pyhdon wrote:me

done and done

Vordoslavia

Maen wrote:Hah! No.

Mom?

Vordoslavia, Maen

Claibornia wrote:done and done

Thank you :)

I'll take it!

Vōrḍōslāviy

Claibornia wrote:Mom?

Like I said, NO. But I still accept you all. Also by the way, I use they/them pronouns.

Vordoslavia

Vordoslavia wrote:Thank you :)

I'll take it!

Vōrḍōslāviy

That's not what my government would ever refer to you as because all our government talks in latin and sometimes english

Vordoslavia

Maen wrote:Like I said, NO.

Mom?

Maen

Claibornia wrote:That's not what my government would ever refer to you as because all our government talks in latin and sometimes english

When is the English used?

Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Maen

Gine Caruttiva wrote:could you elaborate how?

The only thing it accomplishes is making it harder for people to participate in the parliament, which inherently makes it more elitist.

New United Common-Lands wrote:This is being raised by a Member of Parliament an average citizen - so I think calling it Elitist is a bit much and a mis-understanding of how the bill works.

Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:When is the English used?

Oh great Yodle!

Vordoslavia

Yodle wrote:When is the English used?

English is kind of a second lingua franca, but latin is way more common for us to use.

We mainly use english for diplomacy cause most other nations speak it, but also most Claibornians are tri or even quadrilingual

Vordoslavia, Maen

Just remember, everyone is made equal in eyes of Yodle

Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Krayo29

I started track and field training last week

Today we did long distance, which is what I’ll be doing

I didn’t drink enough water today

And I felt the most unbearable burning pain

I’ve been injured badly before, like a bike handle smashing into and ripping up my crotch

But when that happens the adrenaline makes the worst of the pain go away

This was

Like I was punched in the gut twenty times and then lit on fire

Vordoslavia

Lemona wrote:I started track and field training last week

Today we did long distance, which is what I’ll be doing

I didn’t drink enough water today

And I felt the most unbearable burning pain

I’ve been injured badly before, like a bike handle smashing into and ripping up my crotch

But when that happens the adrenaline makes the worst of the pain go away

This was

Like I was punched in the gut twenty times and then lit on fire

me after band camp

Yodle, Vordoslavia

mm

how often are elections

Vordoslavia

I am the next Soviet Union, except that it’s an autocracy.

Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia

Claibornia wrote:me after band camp

OOH

ANOTHER BAND KID

TELL ME MORE

Post self-deleted by Lemona.

Claibornia wrote:mm

how often are elections

Every 4 months! 1st Sept is next after May i think

Vordoslavia

Vordoslavia wrote:OOH

ANOTHER BAND KID

TELL ME MORE

GUH

TRIBE MEMBER HOW ARE YOU

Vordoslavia

I JUST HAD A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE!!!!!!!!

Yodle, Vordoslavia

Maen wrote:I JUST HAD A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE!!!!!!!!

Mom?

Claibornia wrote:GUH

TRIBE MEMBER HOW ARE YOU

YES

OOGA

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