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Region: The Region That Has No Big Banks
I do get your perspective, I think i've already said my piece and I'm interested in what our fellow MPs think too! Albeit, I suppose getting MPs to regulate themselves might be difficult :D
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
I disagree with this much more strongly - I will never be in favor of voting to remove somebody from Parliament, and I also feel a 3-4 week penalty for being inactive is almost draconian. If people are inactive, but decide they want to return and become active again, this type of punishment will lock them out of doing so. It would totally stamp out all activity for people who return from a long absence.
Vordoslavia
The amendment is somewhat of a compromise between this style approach but yet not really affecting those who wish to rejoin
Vordoslavia
Are you upset with the voting aspect or the lockout period I don't like the lockout period but I felt that was a compromise.
Vordoslavia
We could keep a tracker of the last session they participated in, but not for the purposes of pruning, instead for targeted turnout campaigns
America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia
Both, I feel both measures are excessively punishing toward people who may return.
Vordoslavia
From The Parliamentarian party, please vote AGAINST Gine Caruttiva's Amendment to Article VII. This amendment would negatively impact TRTHNBB, making parliament more of an elitist democracy than a direct democracy, which harms new and less involved nations in our region.
Thanks,
DPM Mjau
America The Greater, Vordoslavia, Western Arba Fir
Still nothing
I don't want to go home
I hate this
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
I'm totally in favor of this!
Yodle, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia, Mjau, Vladyslak
I'm sorry Vlady, I really hope things get better soon.
Vordoslavia, Vladyslak
So in your opinion what is a fair action to be done on those who are inactive?
Vordoslavia
Fair, maybe if this doesn't pass I'll speak to GC about a turnout inspired act, where we would contact MPs directly either via TG or Discord to say they haven't voted in a few times, but lets see what people think I guess - then it doesn't feel negative.
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
I don't support any punishment toward those who are inactive. I agree with Yodle's suggestion of trying to return them to activity by sending messages and encouraging them to vote, but if they don't, it harms absolutely nobody. Any punishment for inactivity would by definition harm somebody, so any punishment is by definition worse than no punishment imo
Vordoslavia, Vladyslak
Yeah it basically achieves the same objective whilst also not being negative
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Vladyslak
I have a very strong urge to scream for multiple minutes on end
I don't feel safe
Vordoslavia, Krayo29
Fair, I completely understand your pov. I just am really against having a 40 person Parliament and it turns out only 17 people actually have any interest in doing anything for the Region. I do really like Yodleidea of keeping a log of keeping track of activity.
Vordoslavia, Krayo29, Vladyslak
hi
it is called a [nation=noflag]Yodle[/nation]dea
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
I wanna run away but I know they'll catch me so I'll just stay
Vordoslavia
We can also label statuses on MPs, such as Active and Inactive, the difference being that it labels them as people who we want to bring back on the band wagon. This is all an HTML nation simulator game, no need to be punitive
America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Vordoslavia, Vladyslak
Welp, here goes a lot
Bye bye
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
could you elaborate how?
Vordoslavia
I think a lot of people are against the idea of just removing someone from Parliament just like that.
Vordoslavia
"just like that" if ur inactive then leave yourself. if you don't wanna leave or can't, we'll do it for you. if you don't leave the parliament yourself after you go inactive doesn't that seem more like an "anti-direct democracy"?
Vordoslavia
It's not democratic for anyone to be pushed out of Parliament, even if they can just rejoin. Why should we push people out? I haven't seen any justification that outweighs the downsides, both of which are relatively light anyway. I see no reason to vote for your proposal.
Vordoslavia
This is being raised by a Member of Parliament an average citizen - so I think calling it Elitist is a bit much and a mis-understanding of how the bill works.
Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
cheer up and keep going
America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia
I understand your view point and even agree that some sort of emphasis has to be placed on inactive MP's and I would like there to be without them being removed automatically from Parliament but it seems like most fear this will either deter said member from joining back or discourage future members from joining. Both we don't want to happen.
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
It's mine and GC's proposal, it doesn't push anyone out of Parliament who's active that's the point... but I do take on board a potential future bill of turnout focused approach.
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
It's about a belief that MPs should be held to a higher standard than any citizen, which is counter to what an MP is supposed to be, so I think calling it elitist isn't wholly unfair-- although I agree it's a stretch
Vordoslavia
I don't think that would discourage anyone from joining or rejoining. Why else should you join the Parliament? Vote, write bills, represent. Why should you do that when you're inactive anyways? At some point we'll just have a bunch of inactive MPs
Vordoslavia
And they'll cycle in and out, as they always do. I don't see what the problem is here. I recommend checking Yodle's message on the Discord, he's summarized a lot of my arguments in a more concise and better way. Parliament is and has always been our primary tool for getting everybody started in the government, and requiring a baseline level of activity is going to discourage people from joining.
Vordoslavia, Krayo29
I absolutely agree that something has to be done about inactive MP's in the future as I am very against people who are just sitting there but Im not sure an automatic removal is necessary.
New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia
I have seperate annoyance about talk of elitism in the region maybe I'm just a lil senstive to that but yeah
Yodle, America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia
I don't think there is any reason to be against that. MP is not an elite role and shouldn't have requirements other than citizenship.
Vordoslavia
I agree, lets see where the vote goes, me & GC will absolutely take onboard the feedback from MPs thank you all.
America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga
I 100% agree and I wrote an earlier chat addressing my concern with a large number of inactive MP's. I am right there with you. The part you lost me and I believe many people is the idea that a speaker or in general a member can be automatically removed. I as an MP have been pondering a solution for this for a while now. But I'm not sure this is the way to go.
Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia
Who wants to be a Follower of Yodlism? You get to join the cabal and be the most elite!
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia
Its actually fun have proper debates on this stuff!
Parliament and Political Parties are starting to function quite well, so big credit to ATG as speaker for that and also our increasingly active political party scene
Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Krayo29
Yodle has provided some really interesting ideas to the problem of activity - I know not everybody can join the Discord right now, so Yodle, if you get a chance, I'd really appreciate you talking about those ways to encourage activity here on the RMB. Just so I don't steal your ideas, lol
Yodle, Vordoslavia
I was Elite once...
Thanks NUCL! Wouldn't be happening without you inspiring this stuff too, people (myself included) are always excited to hear your take on an issue.
New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29
You can post it verbatim if you wish, credit is of no concern haha
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
If yelling releases tension, do it.
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
"Something for the Activity Committee to consider
We should view Parliament from the frame of reference of it being a purely volunteer venture. This means that the goal should ALWAYS be breaking down barriers to access, because human nature dictates that the more 'red tape' you have to go through the less likely you are to even try
Plus these are teens or younger that are the player base, so we really should be streamlining as much as possible
It makes sense for elected or appointed officials to have measures in place to address a lack of performance (or whatever else the issue is), but it really doesnt make sense to have anything like that for people who can very easily be like 'nope Im done lol'
Because they will LOL"
"We keep an active record of the % turnout, and make stretch goals as we go through sessions to try and maintain broader participation (outside the smaller group of MPs doing the internal debates )"
"Then we can have another project be MP recruitment with new (and old) players"
Courtesy of Yodle
IMO these are perfect ways to encourage activity without punishing inactivity.
Yodle, Vordoslavia
I do actually have a lot of respect and appreciation that you attempted to fix this issue. I do believe that in the future this issue will be resolved after many successful and unsuccessful voting sessions.
Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29
I agree, it's going to stay controversial but I like GC's first couple bills. GC is definitely doing a great job getting involved in Parliament.
Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29
Agree or disagree, and political endorsements aside, lol.
Yodle, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia
Yes even if it doesn't pass right now it's defintely prompted some great discussions about how we can address this in the future! Well done GC.
America The Greater, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Krayo29
And Nucl
America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia
Thank you for mentioning this Flomonga, the fact that Gine put his proposed solution out there has got a discussion begun and a new piece of future legislation that has broad support, good job Gine Caruttiva!
America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29
I've added a new section to the voting responses sheet that includes the maximum number of "Against" votes that a bill can receive and still pass, if every other MP votes for a bill.
Yodle, New United Common-Lands, Vordoslavia
Everyones capacity to compromise is a sign that healthy debate is happening!
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29, Maen
Made a translator
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pyhdon/detail=factbook/id=1964286
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
Yodɛl
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
Your name is N'abɪonar d'ras ærɔŋɪosjɪonɪɑlkdɛŋklɪhɑhnjklɪonmæljknjɛdk
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
At one point, when you first posted, i did try to work some words out but somehow i still dont understand Lol.
Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
Use the ai
Nuvea-Unis-Noror-d'olisod-du-terrem tʌt ðɪs ɪz iːzɪ
Vordoslavia
I am a squiggly lines
Æɛrdɛslɛvɪɛ
who was writing my name and having a seizure while doing so?
ChatGPT @https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1
Vordoslavia
Liar!
So you do know what ChatGPT is...
Krayo29
tempted to make this for aurenian now
Vordoslavia
I found out now I made this today
Vordoslavia
also corpse sicrib merbn is hilarious
Vordoslavia
U r not being very nice
I found out today and thought "I need it for my lingo!"
Vordoslavia
use this link https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1 to translate
Vordoslavia
Very comprehensive, I like the use of phonetics and diacritics. Also, reading this gave me schizophrenia.
In other news: BUGS! They're in your skin, and what YOU can do about it.
Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
may or may not have just head a tornado siren
Vordoslavia, Pyhdon
use ai https://chat.openai.com/c/853feb05-121d-4224-98fa-3ed9719e54c1
Vordoslavia
Krɒnɪk ʌnd Vaɪələnt AɪBS
Vordoslavia
hailnaw
Vordoslavia
You are cooked
Good Luck
i dont think it was actually i dont hear it anymore
maybe it was taken out
Vordoslavia
I love how my town had an 82% totality eclipse today but it's goddamn overcast and we couldn't even see it
Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Flomonga, Krayo29, Western Arba Fir
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=claibornia/detail=factbook/id=2017834 heres a few things
Vordoslavia
The fact that this was your first post on the RMB in like a week is hilarious
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Flomonga
https://chat.openai.com/c/3b5959b9-6960-4c27-9b0b-c2edb292e9b7
Vordoslavia
Can you do me ?
me
Vordoslavia
Hah! No.
Vordoslavia, Claibornia
done and done
Vordoslavia
Mom?
Vordoslavia, Maen
Thank you :)
I'll take it!
Vōrḍōslāviy
Like I said, NO. But I still accept you all. Also by the way, I use they/them pronouns.
Vordoslavia
That's not what my government would ever refer to you as because all our government talks in latin and sometimes english
Vordoslavia
Mom?
Maen
When is the English used?
Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Maen
The only thing it accomplishes is making it harder for people to participate in the parliament, which inherently makes it more elitist.
Vordoslavia
Oh great Yodle!
Vordoslavia
English is kind of a second lingua franca, but latin is way more common for us to use.
We mainly use english for diplomacy cause most other nations speak it, but also most Claibornians are tri or even quadrilingual
Vordoslavia, Maen
Just remember, everyone is made equal in eyes of Yodle
Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia, Krayo29
I started track and field training last week
Today we did long distance, which is what Ill be doing
I didnt drink enough water today
And I felt the most unbearable burning pain
Ive been injured badly before, like a bike handle smashing into and ripping up my crotch
But when that happens the adrenaline makes the worst of the pain go away
This was
Like I was punched in the gut twenty times and then lit on fire
Vordoslavia
me after band camp
Yodle, Vordoslavia
mm
how often are elections
Vordoslavia
I am the next Soviet Union, except that its an autocracy.
Socialistic Britain, Vordoslavia
OOH
ANOTHER BAND KID
TELL ME MORE
Post self-deleted by Lemona.
Every 4 months! 1st Sept is next after May i think
Vordoslavia
GUH
TRIBE MEMBER HOW ARE YOU
Vordoslavia
I JUST HAD A TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE!!!!!!!!
Yodle, Vordoslavia
Mom?
YES
OOGA
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