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Venesia Grande wrote:Hmm, I don’t know, maybe it wasn’t, but what was it then?-Fascism?!-That would be odd.

While the USSR was opposed to Facism, from my limited knowledge they sounded pretty facist, at least in a surface-level way. Stalinism is VERY similar to Facism

"While primarily focused on critiquing Nazism, Wilhelm Reich considered Stalin's Soviet Union to have developed into red fascism. The term is often attributed to Franz Borkenau, a key proponent of the theory of totalitarianism (which posits that there are certain essential similarities between fascism and Stalinism)."

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Okay, I'm going to say now

Perhaps we should stop discussing or rather arguing(?) about politics and ideologies?

Maybe save that discussion for another time.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Socialistic Britain wrote:Okay, I'm going to say now

Perhaps we should stop discussing or rather arguing(?) about politics and ideologies?

Maybe save that discussion for another time.

This is turning out way more civilised than usual britain imtryingreallyhard;w;

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

haha

I finally have it!

The key to victory!

The idea is in my head

It needs to brought out

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:"State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity and where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, centralized management and wage labor)." Sounds like the Soviet Union to me :D

"In their historical analysis of the Soviet Union, Marxist economists Richard D. Wolff and Stephen Resnick identify state capitalism as the dominant class system throughout the history of the Soviet Union."

No, I do beg to differ. Nationalisation, no matter when or who makes use of it, never is a capitalist tool and isn’t an element of capitalism. Thus describing the SU as state-capitalism is a logical fallacy based on the wrong assumption of a nationalised economy being able to at the same time be a capitalist economy which isn’t how capitalism works.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

They say who murdered three

Three

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Xerimerc wrote:This is turning out way more civilised than usual britain imtryingreallyhard;w;

I do respect you are keeping it civil, but I don't want to risk this just turning into a argument where nobody gets anywhere.

If you want to keep chatting and manage to keep it civil, go ahead but I will be watching.

[sub]and good job xeri :) *patpat*[/sub]

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:No, I do beg to differ. Nationalisation, no matter when or who makes use of it, never is a capitalist tool and isn’t an element of capitalism. Thus describing the SU as state-capitalism is a logical fallacy based on the wrong assumption of a nationalised economy being able to at the same time be a capitalist economy which isn’t how capitalism works.

xeri didn’t say capitalism=nationalism

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:They say who murdered three

Three

Three?

Three

SLP

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Hanged

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:I’m not a socialist or communist

I’m a welfare capitalist or restricted capitalist

And im the one to say that true communism hasn’t been achieved

Because it hasn’t

Human nature has corrupted it

Marx’s ideas were never used without having a twist on them

I would almost be willing to agree on the last part there if we could agree upon an addendum.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

If we met

At midnight

At the hanging tree

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Socialistic Britain wrote:I do respect you are keeping it civil, but I don't want to risk this just turning into a argument where nobody gets anywhere.

If you want to keep chatting and manage to keep it civil, go ahead but I will be watching.

[sub]and good job xeri :) *patpat*[/sub]

yaeyuwu

Venesia Grande wrote:No, I do beg to differ. Nationalisation, no matter when or who makes use of it, never is a capitalist tool and isn’t an element of capitalism. Thus describing the SU as state-capitalism is a logical fallacy based on the wrong assumption of a nationalised economy being able to at the same time be a capitalist economy which isn’t how capitalism works.

Yes

State-Capitalism is different to regular Capitalism

That's why we call it a different thing

Because it's different in certain ways

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:yaeyuwu

Yes

State-Capitalism is different to regular Capitalism

That's why we call it a different thing

Because it's different in certain ways

Like welfare capitalism is different

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Lemona wrote:fascism is what they fought against sir

Yes, that’s why I said it would be odd.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

I’ll be

Right back to say?

Haha

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:Like welfare capitalism is different

"Welfare capitalism is different from socialism because socialism is majority government control of welfare services. Some examples of welfare capitalism are businesses offering healthcare benefits, organizations offering childcare, or a place of employment giving extended time off for maternity leave."

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:"Welfare capitalism is different from socialism because socialism is majority government control of welfare services. Some examples of welfare capitalism are businesses offering healthcare benefits, organizations offering childcare, or a place of employment giving extended time off for maternity leave."

mmhmm

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Restricted capitalism

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Yes, that’s why I said it would be odd.

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

they hated facism

and then (knowingly or not) turned into a form of facism

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Lemona wrote:xeri didn’t say capitalism=nationalism

What?-What do you mean?-Neither said I?!

Please elaborate.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

Lemonans prepare for death

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:What?-What do you mean?-Neither said I?!

Please elaborate.

you just said

goddamnit

You started talking about nationalism and capitalism not being intertwined, while xeri made no mention of the two being intertwined

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Xerimerc wrote:yaeyuwu

Yes

State-Capitalism is different to regular Capitalism

That's why we call it a different thing

Because it's different in certain ways

Then we shouldn’t call it capitalism but something else entirely as to avoid any and all confusion.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Then we shouldn’t call it capitalism but something else entirely as to avoid any and all confusion.

no

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

A fleet of drones and soldiers prepare, nicknamed “The Final Fleet”.

Socialistic Britain, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:you just said

goddamnit

You started talking about nationalism and capitalism not being intertwined, while xeri made no mention of the two being intertwined

Nationalisation is what I said, not nationalism?!-The both aren’t the same thing in English, are they?

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

Hmm

Well i'll have to get going

keep the conversation civilized!

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Nationalisation is what I said, not nationalism?!-The both aren’t the same thing in English, are they?

hmmmm

appears you right

Sorry I’m tired

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:While the USSR was opposed to Facism, from my limited knowledge they sounded pretty facist, at least in a surface-level way. Stalinism is VERY similar to Facism

"While primarily focused on critiquing Nazism, Wilhelm Reich considered Stalin's Soviet Union to have developed into red fascism. The term is often attributed to Franz Borkenau, a key proponent of the theory of totalitarianism (which posits that there are certain essential similarities between fascism and Stalinism)."

I totally missed that and I would rather agree.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Then we shouldn’t call it capitalism but something else entirely as to avoid any and all confusion.

We call it state-capitalism for the same reason we call certain things phytoestrogens

Phytoestrogen is called such because it is found in plants, and structurally resembles estrogen in humans. However, they behave differently to eachother in the body

State-Capitalism is called that because the way it does things in a way that is similar to capitalism

However, they are different in the way they work [sub](I feel I have phrased this poorly, but my brain now wory sorry)[/sub]

also sorry for the weird comparison I just remembered it for some reason

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Socialistic Britain wrote:Hmm

Well i'll have to get going

keep the conversation civilized!

No, stay, I want to be on the map.

Lemona, Xerimerc

The Final Fleet Splits into Five groups.

One positioned on the border with Pinevilla

One in Brittany

One Guarding Austria

One In Morocco

And one in India

As this fleet is split into 4 fleets, consisted of remaining drones are soldiers.

A smaller regiment is placed in Kenya to protect and kill Pinevillians.

As the clock clicks, they prepare for the fight.

Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:no

Why not?-It only makes sense for it to get a totally new term.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:No, under communism/socialism the state will prohibit all religion and religious institutions and wants you (as an individual) to give up your religious and spiritual views as it stands in the way of the nation, thus enforcing atheism which in itself becomes a pseudo-religion by being enforced and sponsored fanatically.

Soc/Com also doesn’t allow for personal freedom since most things, even personal interests such as sports and outdoor activities (a.k.a. hobbies) will become either state-regulated or the state will interfere in them to stamp out any and all personal beliefs that interfere and vary from their pov, since it views everything else as treason.

I don’t think I was being unclear when I said that socialism and communism are a threat towards minorities due to their high levels of compliance to conformity and peer pressure that they usually make use of which, of course, is suppressing differing pov’s and stances, including on sexuality and gender identity and surrounding issues, which thus and thereby can be highly psychologically damaging as well as physically harmful to lgbt+ individuals (especially trans*gender, etc).-The compliance to conformity also further marginalises groups that are already marginalised, like religious, ethnic, and cultural, etc. since they have lost all rights to express themselves as a minority.

The compliance to conformity is one of the most quintessential parts of communism and socialism; just remember Tetris, every little piece surrenders its individuality for ‘the greater good’, the nation comes first, then the individual.

Communism has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative beliefs.

The literal definition of communism is 'a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.'

If you would like to borrow the Communism manifesto I have a copy for you.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Nationalisation is what I said, not nationalism?!-The both aren’t the same thing in English, are they?

nationalism

noun

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

nationalization

noun

the transfer of a major branch of industry or commerce from private to state ownership or control.

They are different things

Lemona, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Communism has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative beliefs.

The literal definition of communism is 'a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.'

If you would like to borrow the Communism manifesto I have a copy for you.

Yasssss NUCL comes to bestow upon us the divine knowledge of someone who actually knows what they're talking about

Lemona

Xerimerc wrote:nationalism

noun

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

nationalization

noun

the transfer of a major branch of industry or commerce from private to state ownership or control.

They are different things

no xeri you didn’t read this right

My dumb @ss read nationalization as nationalism and got him confused

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:We call it state-capitalism for the same reason we call certain things phytoestrogens

Phytoestrogen is called such because it is found in plants, and structurally resembles estrogen in humans. However, they behave differently to eachother in the body

State-Capitalism is called that because the way it does things in a way that is similar to capitalism

However, they are different in the way they work [sub](I feel I have phrased this poorly, but my brain now wory sorry)[/sub]

also sorry for the weird comparison I just remembered it for some reason

Apart from your soc/com views, you do rather seem to be a very agreeable person and fellow human being :)

Lemona, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:are you

are you

coming to the tree

they strung up a man

who they say murdered three

Strange things do happen here, no stranger would it be.

If we met at midnight in the hanging tree.

Lemona, Xerimerc

I read soc/com as Socks coms

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:Yasssss NUCL comes to bestow upon us the divine knowledge of someone who actually knows what they're talking about

Its just the google definition of communism Lol

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Apart from your soc/com views, you do rather seem to be a very agreeable person and fellow human being :)

Yasss thanki I try to present that way

it usually reaps better results

[sub]having to overthink every aspect of my outward personality to optimize results is PAIN but also worth it uwu[/sub]

Lemona

New United Common-Lands wrote:Its just the google definition of communism Lol

That's what I've been doing the entire time too lol

New United Common-Lands, Lemona

New United Common-Lands wrote:Strange things do happen here, no stranger would it be.

If we met at midnight in the hanging tree.

Are you, are you comin' to the tree

Where dead man called out for his love to flee?

also finally someone who knows the song

New United Common-Lands, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Communism has nothing to do with Liberal or Conservative beliefs.

The literal definition of communism is 'a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.'

If you would like to borrow the Communism manifesto I have a copy for you.

No, thanks; I still have quite the backlog of books including Marx‘s “Capital: Critique of Political Economy” which btw, is quite long.

New United Common-Lands, Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:No, thanks; I still have quite the backlog of books including Marx‘s “Capital: Critique of Political Economy” which btw, is quite long.

Try fully automated luxury communism. Very good book.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:No, thanks; I still have quite the backlog of books including Marx‘s “Capital: Critique of Political Economy” which btw, is quite long.

DAS KAPITAL

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Communism is the right ideology invented in the wrong era.

Lemona, Xerimerc

New United Common-Lands wrote:Try fully automated luxury communism. Very good book.

sips hot coco while listening to leftists and rightists on the internet

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Communism is the right ideology invented in the wrong era.

I prefer socialism out of the two but sure

Xerimerc

:0

Xeri can make POLLS NOW

MYPOWERGROWSWITHEACHPASSINGDAY

Lemona

I find it Funny when people try to stop me from having hot coco when it is 100 degrees out

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Try fully automated luxury communism. Very good book.

By whom?

Lemona, Xerimerc

Xerimerc wrote::0

Xeri can make POLLS NOW

MYPOWERGROWSWITHEACHPASSINGDAY

wait wait

So Yodle gave you the ability to kick zombies out

And now you are an actually security officer

Hmmmm

And yet I still have only polls

Despite being one of the only actually elected ones

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Try fully automated luxury communism. Very good book.

The title describes what I dream of what

Lemona

Lemona wrote:wait wait

So Yodle gave you the ability to kick zombies out

And now you are an actually security officer

Hmmmm

And yet I still have only polls

Despite being one of the only actually elected ones

Well

I still lack comms controls

for some reason ):

Lemona

Venesia Grande wrote:By whom?

Aaron Bastani

Lemona, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:sips hot coco while listening to leftists and rightists on the internet

Assuming Xeri and co. are the leftists, who are the rightists then?

Lemona, Xerimerc

Xerimerc wrote:Well

I still lack comms controls

for some reason ):

MoDA should have coms

how else can I save the crew from the imposters when we can’t speak to eachother

Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:wait wait

So Yodle gave you the ability to kick zombies out

And now you are an actually security officer

Hmmmm

And yet I still have only polls

Despite being one of the only actually elected ones

Our government getting thicc

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Assuming Xeri and co. are the leftists, who are the rightists then?

pinevilla, despite his nation being socialist, is on the right

I’m center-right

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Our government getting thicc

why

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Elections will be soon though.. Well after christmas

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Our government getting thicc

people should be elected based on thiccness

Lemona

New United Common-Lands wrote:Aaron Bastani

Idk who they are but it definitely sounds interesting since I probably wouldn’t enjoy the idea.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:pinevilla, despite his nation being socialist, is on the right

I’m center-right

[sub]pinevilla still gets kisses from xeri tho uwu[/sub]

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Despite being on the zombie part at first

just remember on monday before school I gave orders sooo

Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:Assuming Xeri and co. are the leftists, who are the rightists then?

Xeri's nation is pretty right wing

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:[sub]pinevilla still gets kisses from xeri tho uwu[/sub]

because he hasn’t said anything wrong in a while

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:Xeri's nation is pretty right wing

Xeri is leftist irl

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Idk who they are but it definitely sounds interesting since I probably wouldn’t enjoy the idea.

The guy actually lives in my city, he's a UK political commentator, not really mainstream though, just someone who tweets a lot.

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Lemona wrote:because he hasn’t said anything wrong in a while

yeshehasbeengoodboy

Lemona, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:The guy actually lives in my city, he's a UK political commentator, not really mainstream though, just someone who tweets a lot.

Portsmouth

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Lemona wrote:pinevilla, despite his nation being socialist, is on the right

I’m center-right

Ah, that’s fascinating. Especially since my nation has a different pov than me.

Lemona, Xerimerc

New United Common-Lands wrote:Xeri's nation is pretty right wing

It is intended to be an exaggerated parody of that which I despise. Thats what a lot of my nations are tbh

New United Common-Lands, Lemona, Venesia Grande

No need to out my location to the internet sir

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:No need to out my location to the internet sir

[Insert Address]

New United Common-Lands, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:No need to out my location to the internet sir

The power

of the google search

you must careful to filter out anything that could be used to locate you to anything more specific than *countrynamehere*

New United Common-Lands, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:The power

of the google search

you must careful to filter out anything that could be used to locate you to anything more specific than *countrynamehere*

no he has already said he lives in Portsmouth before

New United Common-Lands, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

New United Common-Lands wrote:I don’t know haha, also if you didn’t guess I’m from Portsmouth 😂

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Lemona wrote:

I remember

Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:no he has already said he lives in Portsmouth before

But still

Xeri does this and it has proven effective so far

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:It is intended to be an exaggerated parody of that which I despise. Thats what a lot of my nations are tbh

That is how Shongbao started.

Lemona, Xerimerc

A filled like button is a broken heart

Xerimerc

Venesia Grande is a different approach; I am trying out different things.

Lemona, Xerimerc

Lemona wrote:A filled like button is a broken heart

Do you always talk in songs?

Lemona, Xerimerc

Venesia Grande wrote:That is how Shongbao started.

I have one nation thats just some freakish combination of nazi germany and the USSR, even if that doesn't really make sense

mm

I once tried to make a nation that reflected my beliefs, Telakia, but it too fell to the "exaggerated half-joke nation" plague

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:I have one nation thats just some freakish combination of nazi germany and the USSR, even if that doesn't really make sense

mm

I once tried to make a nation that reflected my beliefs, Telakia, but it too fell to the "exaggerated half-joke nation" plague

Ono he CTE'd

hehe

funi

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Do you always talk in songs?

That one is not a song

It’s referring to how I like every post I see on here

Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

mm

idk what to do

;w;

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Retatsgsgshsgshhs

Lemona, Xerimerc

Xerimerc wrote:I have one nation thats just some freakish combination of nazi germany and the USSR, even if that doesn't really make sense

mm

I once tried to make a nation that reflected my beliefs, Telakia, but it too fell to the "exaggerated half-joke nation" plague

Shongbao was meant as an ridiculous exaggeration and parody of socialist banana republics but turned into something else entirely in the end; sadly it CTE’d and I can’t recover it w/o the right password whatever that would be.

It was pretty fun while it lasted though; And bloody hedgehogs, I even wrote a backstory, lore and trivia and invented an own timeline/mode of telling time and calendar for it.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

Pinevilla wrote:Retatsgsgshsgshhs

HAIII

Socialistic Britain, Lemona

I'm tempted to move a nation of mine here, specifically The Wings Empire

[sub]it'll give me another excuse to make a nation solely based around creatures or monsters

mainly birds though [/sub]

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Shongbao was meant as an ridiculous exaggeration and parody of socialist banana republics but turned into something else entirely in the end; sadly it CTE’d and I can’t recover it w/o the right password whatever that would be.

It was pretty fun while it lasted though; And bloody hedgehogs, I even wrote a backstory, lore and trivia and invented an own timeline/mode of telling time and calendar for it.

Cool :3

Lemona, Venesia Grande

Xerimerc wrote:mm

idk what to do

;w;

Hug me please.

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Xerimerc

Also hewwo britainy did xeri do a good job

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Hug me please.

*hugspatshugsHugsHUGSMOREHUGS*yaey

Socialistic Britain, Lemona, Venesia Grande

Venesia Grande wrote:Shongbao was meant as an ridiculous exaggeration and parody of socialist banana republics but turned into something else entirely in the end; sadly it CTE’d and I can’t recover it w/o the right password whatever that would be.

It was pretty fun while it lasted though; And bloody hedgehogs, I even wrote a backstory, lore and trivia and invented an own timeline/mode of telling time and calendar for it.

If I remember correctly, can't you simply say you forgot the password or something?

You just need to give your email and then they'll send a page to you where you can set a new password and recover the nation.

I could be entirely wrong though

Lemona, Xerimerc, Venesia Grande

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