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Socialistic Britain wrote:ohhh nooOOOO

us? the silly region? stop with the spam?

treeson

:3

treeson D:

Socialistic Britain, Maen

Ardeyn wrote:While I understand your concern, I feel an official condemnation towards us is taking things out of proportion here.

This action was agreed on by both officials and citizens of Aurora active at the time of us learning of this. If Auroran Supreme Soviet will overturn my action with majority vote later, I'll revoke the condemnation and will take whatever punishment Supreme Soviet will decide to place on me.

Socialistic Britain

Socialistic Britain wrote:ohhh nooOOOO

us? the silly region? stop with the spam?

treeson

:3

skrongly, sqronjly, skrongly treason. Me skrongly attak sociqalikic britaqn nw >:3

Socialistic Britain

Gine Caruttiva wrote:sqronjily flujlify :3

flujilify :3

Socialistic Britain

Gine Caruttiva wrote:treeson D:

treeson D: attak? >:3

Socialistic Britain, Gine Caruttiva

Maen wrote:skrongly, sqronjly, skrongly treason. Me skrongly attak sociqalikic britaqn nw >:3

swkait wjdnoOOOO

Maen

Maen wrote:flujilify :3

flujilify

Socialistic Britain

Socialistic Britain wrote:swkait wjdnoOOOO

mahjahajhlaa >:3

Socialistic Britain

Maen wrote:treeson D: attak? >:3

nuh uh!

Socialistic Britain

New United Common-Lands wrote:Also, ItÂ’s worth adding we joined the InterLeft via a referendum.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=189321

Fair point.

Socialistic Britain

Gine Caruttiva wrote:nuh uh!

awww :3 fineeeeneen but stilljd treesonÂ

Socialistic Britain, Gine Caruttiva

look en mijen skrongly sqronjly factbok lnguag

Socialistic Britain

Maen wrote:look en mijen skrongly sqronjly factbok lnguag

this just turned norwegian

Socialistic Britain

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia wrote:This is an undemocratic move. First voicings of such intentions had appeared in IL discord around two days ago, and you knew that at least one IL official had intentions to campaign for you not leaving. Yet here you are, not even letting other side to prepare, while rolling all your arguments right with referendum announcement. It's clear for which result you're aiming and what methods you use to achieve it. And yes, consider this an official condemnation of your act by the government of Aurora.

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, out.

I am saddened you have used this opportunity "officially condemn us". But to take a step back, we are listening to our members and allies - the speedy nature was more due to how my personal diary worked for hosting this.

We also wanted to get your views as part of this process, it's not like we are shying away from debate, I've actively encourage Tea to share their opinions. But ultimately, as a sovereign region its for TRTHNBB members to decide our own future.

I've scheduled a debate on Thursday 30th May. I will be looking to host the referendum between June 2nd - June 9th, so everybody can have more time to discuss.

As i said in the message we dont want to jeopardise our relationships, I am glad we have a treaty of friendship with Aurora and we are of course committed to this. This issue of the referendum is more about the InterLeft as an organisation not achieving it's goals... nothing to do with the member regions.

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Lkandria, The Washington Federation, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Lemona, Astravica, Cat Army, Gine Caruttiva, Maen

Gine Caruttiva wrote:this just turned norwegian

hwoweng dereju nutheruse use Skrongly-Sqronjly!?!

Socialistic Britain, Gine Caruttiva

Pyhdon wrote:he has a gun on him, I will bomb lemona with bleach If he does

Bleach? Oh no, what will my guns and drones and mechs and missiles do about that?

Socialistic Britain

Mijen noes usen de Skrongly-Sqronjly strtngÂ… now. :3

Socialistic Britain

New United Common-Lands wrote:I am saddened you have used this opportunity "officially condemn us". But to take a step back, we are listening to our members and allies - the speedy nature was more due to how my personal diary worked for hosting this.

We also wanted to get your views as part of this process, it's not like we are shying away from debate, I've actively encourage Tea to share their opinions. But ultimately, as a sovereign its for TRTHNBB members to decide our own future.

I've scheduled a debate on Thursday 30th May. I will be looking to host the referendum between June 2nd - June 9th, so everybody can have more time to discuss.

As i said in the message we dont want to jeopardise our relationships, I am glad we have a treaty of friendship with Aurora and we are of course committed to this. This issue of the referendum is more about the InterLeft as an organisation not achieving it's goals... nothing to do with the member regions.

You are so inspiring NUCL (I mean this)

How would you consider running for PM next election?

Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands

Lemona wrote:Bleach? Oh no, what will my guns and drones and mechs and missiles do about that?

Did you know that bleach is a corrosive and toxic chemical? It could probably cause major health problems and infrastructure damage—and— if there were people outside, death. :3

Socialistic Britain

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia wrote:This is an undemocratic move. First voicings of such intentions had appeared in IL discord around two days ago, and you knew that at least one IL official had intentions to campaign for you not leaving. Yet here you are, not even letting other side to prepare, while rolling all your arguments right with referendum announcement. It's clear for which result you're aiming and what methods you use to achieve it. And yes, consider this an official condemnation of your act by the government of Aurora.

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, out.

A condemnation is what should be condemned here. You could have definitely gone about this better.

Socialistic Britain

Claibornia wrote:A condemnation is what should be condemned here. You could have definitely gone about this better.

Also, it is not “undemocratic” to hold a vote on leaving without holding debates with other IL members. We have a right to decide if we want to leave or not, and it is not right for you to call us out because we didn’t hear why you think we should stay.

Socialistic Britain

New United Common-Lands wrote:I am saddened you have used this opportunity "officially condemn us". But to take a step back, we are listening to our members and allies - the speedy nature was more due to how my personal diary worked for hosting this.

We also wanted to get your views as part of this process, it's not like we are shying away from debate, I've actively encourage Tea to share their opinions. But ultimately, as a sovereign its for TRTHNBB members to decide our own future.

I've scheduled a debate on Thursday 30th May. I will be looking to host the referendum between June 2nd - June 9th, so everybody can have more time to discuss.

As i said in the message we dont want to jeopardise our relationships, I am glad we have a treaty of friendship with Aurora and we are of course committed to this. This issue of the referendum is more about the InterLeft as an organisation not achieving it's goals... nothing to do with the member regions.

I apologise for this outlash, which I admit was caused by an emotion, which, to be fair, was collective. Don't make mistake, I'm still pissed by this, but alright. In accordance to what we discussed in voice chat in Auroran discord, and since you actually made corrections which will allow for proper democratic debate, I'm removing Condemnation. I'm still mad, but I'm not gonna let the anger cloud my judgement too much. Just know this - you guys are our friends. We will respect whatever you choose, but we'll reserve our right to form our own opinion and voice it honestly. Anyway, for now, this conflict is over. Let's all go do something actually enjoyable.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia wrote:I apologise for this outlash, which I admit was caused by an emotion, which, to be fair, was collective. Don't make mistake, I'm still pissed by this, but alright. In accordance to what we discussed in voice chat in Auroran discord, and since you actually made corrections which will allow for proper democratic debate, I'm removing Condemnation. I'm still mad, but I'm not gonna let the anger cloud my judgement too much. Just know this - you guys are our friends. We will respect whatever you choose, but we'll reserve our right to form our own opinion and voice it honestly. Anyway, for now, this conflict is over. Let's all go do something actually enjoyable.

Are you saying NationStates isnÂ’t enjoyable?

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia wrote:Just know this - you guys are our friends. We will respect whatever you choose, but we'll reserve our right to form our own opinion and voice it honestly.

I'd like for us to stay friends too, so I hope any condemnations come with a bit more discussion and forethought.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia

[tells himself “this is getting heated, better stay out of it”]

Eurasia: We see you talking to yourself, Alpha.

Crap.

America The Greater wrote:I'd like for us to stay friends too, so I hope any condemnations come with a bit more discussion and forethought.

At the moment of me writing this literally ENTIRE active Aurora was up and overreacting, though I'll once again point out that we're more pissed at how it was handled. Looking back, yeah, strongly worded message could've been named something else, but eh, looking back too much is useless. What happened is happened, we now need to think about future.

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain

Maen wrote:Are you saying NationStates isnÂ’t enjoyable?

It is, but this specific kind of fun isn't good for one's nerves.

Socialistic Britain, Maen

[spoiler=NUCL Post]

New United Common-Lands wrote:Should TRTHNBB leave the InterLeft alliance?

Almost 2 years ago, in unprecedented fashion, The Region That Has No Big Banks voted overwhelmingly to join the Inter-regional alliance the InterLeft, receiving 30 votes for and 4 against. https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=189321

Back then, our foreign affairs and relations lacked depth, and the InterLeft offered our region the opportunity to grow close relations with regions who had similar leftist ideals. At the time the member regions were; Union of Ever Socialist Republics, The Union of Greater Onionist Nations, The Free Peoples Union and Wintercrest. The alliance was described an ongoing project to create a left-wing interregional alliance (of predominantly smaller regions), with the focus on creating a forum for dialogue in the pan-leftist spectrum with emphasis on cultural cooperation, diplomacy, and collective military defense.

However, in reflection, a lot has changed since 2022, our region has matured having 6 successive active governments, developing foreign and cultural affairs especially. Now with an active ambassador programme, great relations with our embassies, hosting regular events on our discord, and joint events as well. When looking in the mirror, we can say for certain our own foreign affairs are in a much stronger position than back then.

This brings us to our position as a member of the InterLeft. Recently, we have had government discussions about our membership, due to losing our IL discord server, as the owner of the server had their discord account hacked. The current members of the InterLeft are Democratic Socialist Assembly, Aurora, and Wintercrest, which throughout our membership we have developed exceptional relationships with, and we would want to do nothing to jeopardise these relationships with our friends and allies.

Yet, we cannot ignore the fact that InterLeft has stagnated for a long time now, losing a sense of purpose and direction. The InterLeft has been plagued with inactivity, and consecutive chancellors being unable to effectively realise any form of change within the organisation. Against the 3 main objectives of the alliance outlined at itÂ’s inception; Cultural Cooperation, Military Defense and Diplomacy we have not managed to achieve as much as we would have wanted.

1. Cultural Cooperation, we have hosted some events on the InterLeft server, notably Civilisation nights and TTRPG; otherwise, there has been no real events organised under the InterLeft banner wider than the discord server.

2. Military Defense, we have a defensive pact, but no InterLeft military, nor would we want to participate in a military organisation with multiple regions as we have our own Liberation Forces.

3. Diplomacy, we have managed to develop great relations with the 3 member regions, however the alliance has reached a glass ceiling with there being very little other leftists regions who would want or even be eligible to join.

From my perspective as Minister of Foreign Affairs, It certainly feels like thereÂ’s an apathy towards the organisation, and many un addressed issues - like for instance the huge issue of itÂ’s poor reputation as seen by many other regions in NS (for reasons out of our control). In addition, given the Interleft is a solely discord based community, many members of TRTHNBB are unable to properly participate in the alliance and many residents have little idea what the InterLeft is.

I am saddened we have got to the position where the InterLeft hasnÂ’t really achieved everything we wished it too, however on the other hand I look at how far TRTHNBB has came in this period. When we have a focus on our Regional Affairs, and Foreign we can reap rewards for our own region. Leaving the InterLeft gives us a greater opportunity to focus on developing our own regional and foreign affairs.

Tomorrow, I will share a poll on whether we should vote to leave the InterLeft. Please do share your views on the RMB or discord server. IÂ’d be happy to answer any questions you have.

Kind regards

New United Common-lands

Minister of Foreign Affairs

[/spoiler]

Wintercrest is disappointed and saddened by this statement made by TRTHNBB's government. Change is something that must be fought for and it is disheartening to see TRTHNBB is no longer willing to fight. An alliance's job is to support its members and it is true that InterLeft hasn't done a good job of that. New United Common-lands has made true and valid points. While InterLeft brought all of us together, it has only done that. Each member regions ties with one another have flourished independently outside of InterLeft as their own unique strand.

However, Wintercrest is dismayed at the perspective displayed for outside eyes to feast on, frustrated by the lack of culpability from NBB's InterLeft representatives, and overall we are dissatisfied with NBB's approach, especially to fellow alliance member regions on this topic. Furthermore, we find NBB's lack of response/unyielding dissent to suggestions addressing points made in the InterLeft Discord Server untasteful.

We will be issuing a full formal statement at a later time, please consider this a precursor.

The Independent States Of Allied Forces, President of the People's Republic of Wintercrest

The Independent States Of Allied Forces, Tea Island Systems, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Western Arba Fir

So i guess the general reaction is that everyone is upset

but we shouldn't let other regions stop us from doing what we want

Socialistic Britain, Gine Caruttiva

This is our democratic decision, after all

Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands

Gine Caruttiva wrote:This is our democratic decision, after all

Yea, it seems like most people in our region support this

Honestly I think Wintercrest and Aurora both are saying this is purely NUCL's decision, but literally everyone else is behind it.

New United Common-Lands, Gine Caruttiva

Claibornia wrote:Yea, it seems like most people in our region support this

Honestly I think Wintercrest and Aurora both are saying this is purely NUCL's decision, but literally everyone else is behind it.

I agree. I think NUCL rushed the referendum in the beginning, sure, but he did that because there's overwhelming support from everyone he talked to. I'm glad we're gonna wait a week or so, in order to give everyone a chance to make their point, but in the end this is a matter for us to decide as citizens of TRTHNBB. This alliance should be more than capable of functioning without us, but their aggressive messaging suggests otherwise. I just feel we're not being given the respect we're due.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Ardeyn, New United Common-Lands

Official Statement from the Office of the President of the People's Republic of Wintercrest

Good evening all. Earlier, I made a prior statement based on the facts presented at the time. In between that time and now, I have had a personal conversation with New United Common-Lands which help to clear up any clarifications and concerns. By the end of it, I came to understand NBB's reasoning and vision more clearly and I can appreciate it.

Plus my 10 page formal statement has been reduced to several sentences :)

Wintercrest understands that this decision is the will of their people and we respect that. No matter if TRTHNBB leaves InterLeft or not, we reaffirm our commitment to friendship and pledge to stay allies. However, we ask that NBB considers the prospect of helping reform InterLeft into an organization that all can be proud of. A vibrant, diverse hub and melting pot of likeminded regional cultures and unparalleled friendship.

The Independent States Of Allied Forces, President of the People's Republic of Wintercrest

Yodle, America The Greater, The Independent States Of Allied Forces, New United Common-Lands, The Washington Federation, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Western Arba Fir

Wintercrest Founder wrote: However, we ask that NBB considers the prospect of helping reform InterLeft into an organization that all can be proud of. A vibrant, diverse hub and melting pot of likeminded regional cultures and unparalleled friendship.

I really appreciate your statement, and I'm relieved to hear that our regions' friendship won't be damaged by either result of the referendum.

Yodle, Wintercrest Founder, The Independent States Of Allied Forces, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands

America The Greater wrote:
Wintercrest Founder wrote:

I know our first message came off as strong worded and that was intentional, but our friendship is not in jeopardy :)

Just making sure y'all know we're taking this seriously

Yodle, America The Greater, The Independent States Of Allied Forces, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Western Arba Fir

Now, that i am an rp admin

The times of godmodding, and unrealistic rps are coming to an end, wait for you

Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Western Arba Fir

Wintercrest Founder wrote:-Snip

Thank you ISAF, thanks for our conversation earlier and this message now. We are committed to friendship with Wintercrest, no matter the outcome. Just to reiterate my apologies, for the confusion I caused and the lack of communication on my part. Anyways, I hope we can have productive conversations next few days with IL colleagues as well!

Yodle, America The Greater, Wintercrest Founder, The Independent States Of Allied Forces, Socialistic Britain, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia

New-Union wrote:Now, that i am an rp admin

The times of godmodding, and unrealistic rps are coming to an end, wait for you

New Union in power?! Who allowed this madness?!

But seriously, well done on your promotion (if this is serious I canÂ’t tell)

Brocklandia, Yodle, Socialistic Britain

New United Common-Lands wrote:New Union in power?! Who allowed this madness?!

But seriously, well done on your promotion (if this is serious I canÂ’t tell)

It is, wash allowed, ty

Britain is not online...

https://youtu.be/EzWNBmjyv7Y?si=VS8Nxed8PgutESyY

Yodle, New United Common-Lands

New United Common-Lands wrote:Should TRTHNBB leave the InterLeft alliance?

Almost 2 years ago, in unprecedented fashion, The Region That Has No Big Banks voted overwhelmingly to join the Inter-regional alliance the InterLeft, receiving 30 votes for and 4 against. https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=189321

Back then, our foreign affairs and relations lacked depth, and the InterLeft offered our region the opportunity to grow close relations with regions who had similar leftist ideals. At the time the member regions were; Union of Ever Socialist Republics, The Union of Greater Onionist Nations, The Free Peoples Union and Wintercrest. The alliance was described an ongoing project to create a left-wing interregional alliance (of predominantly smaller regions), with the focus on creating a forum for dialogue in the pan-leftist spectrum with emphasis on cultural cooperation, diplomacy, and collective military defense.

However, in reflection, a lot has changed since 2022, our region has matured having 6 successive active governments, developing foreign and cultural affairs especially. Now with an active ambassador programme, great relations with our embassies, hosting regular events on our discord, and joint events as well. When looking in the mirror, we can say for certain our own foreign affairs are in a much stronger position than back then.

This brings us to our position as a member of the InterLeft. Recently, we have had government discussions about our membership, due to losing our IL discord server, as the owner of the server had their discord account hacked. The current members of the InterLeft are Democratic Socialist Assembly, Aurora, and Wintercrest, which throughout our membership we have developed exceptional relationships with, and we would want to do nothing to jeopardise these relationships with our friends and allies.

Yet, we cannot ignore the fact that InterLeft has stagnated for a long time now, losing a sense of purpose and direction. The InterLeft has been plagued with inactivity, and consecutive chancellors being unable to effectively realise any form of change within the organisation. Against the 3 main objectives of the alliance outlined at itÂ’s inception; Cultural Cooperation, Military Defense and Diplomacy we have not managed to achieve as much as we would have wanted.

1. Cultural Cooperation, we have hosted some events on the InterLeft server, notably Civilisation nights and TTRPG; otherwise, there has been no real events organised under the InterLeft banner wider than the discord server.

2. Military Defense, we have a defensive pact, but no InterLeft military, nor would we want to participate in a military organisation with multiple regions as we have our own Liberation Forces.

3. Diplomacy, we have managed to develop great relations with the 3 member regions, however the alliance has reached a glass ceiling with there being very little other leftists regions who would want or even be eligible to join.

From my perspective as Minister of Foreign Affairs, It certainly feels like thereÂ’s an apathy towards the organisation, and many un addressed issues - like for instance the huge issue of itÂ’s poor reputation as seen by many other regions in NS (for reasons out of our control). In addition, given the Interleft is a solely discord based community, many members of TRTHNBB are unable to properly participate in the alliance and many residents have little idea what the InterLeft is.

I am saddened we have got to the position where the InterLeft hasnÂ’t really achieved everything we wished it too, however on the other hand I look at how far TRTHNBB has came in this period. When we have a focus on our Regional Affairs, and Foreign we can reap rewards for our own region. Leaving the InterLeft gives us a greater opportunity to focus on developing our own regional and foreign affairs.

Tomorrow, I will share a poll on whether we should vote to leave the InterLeft. Please do share your views on the RMB or discord server. IÂ’d be happy to answer any questions you have.

Kind regards

New United Common-lands

Minister of Foreign Affairs

As the Deputy Prime Minister I believe it is right for TRTHNBB to leave IL

Flomonga

Claibornia wrote:Yea, it seems like most people in our region support this

Honestly I think Wintercrest and Aurora both are saying this is purely NUCL's decision, but literally everyone else is behind it.

*turns on OR voice, because I can't be asked switching nations*

At least in the case of Aurora we were primarily annoyed because of NUCL saying that 'the referendum would happen tomorrow', for basically the reasons elaborated in Eurasia's first post: [spoiler=the post in question]

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia wrote:This is an undemocratic move. First voicings of such intentions had appeared in IL discord around two days ago, and you knew that at least one IL official had intentions to campaign for you not leaving. Yet here you are, not even letting other side to prepare, while rolling all your arguments right with referendum announcement. It's clear for which result you're aiming and what methods you use to achieve it. And yes, consider this an official condemnation of your act by the government of Aurora.

Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, out.

[/spoiler]

Now that this has been confirmed not to be the case, we are less annoyed at this. Although we would still be saddened if TRTHNBB leaves InterLeft and believe that trying to actually fix the issues with InterLeft would be a better course of action, we will respect the results of a democratic referendum.

America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia

Currently trying to figure out how to write a proposal the proper way. Maybe I could use some help, but eh I donÂ’t care.

Brocklandia

Anyways, I suppose I may as well go ahead and address some of the concerns about InterLeft:

Claibornia wrote:As an aspiring member of the ministry of defense, I must say that the IL has been very neglectful raided regions. As you said, there is no military, and no coordination in any way. Meanwhile, our own personal military has grown exceptionally, and will hopefully see continued growth under Gine Caruttiva. So from a defense perspective, there isnÂ’t really much the IL is doing, while we as a region are doing much more.

The reason InterLeft lacks a military (in spite of the framework for one sort of existing) is primarily because we've never really needed one. There are only relatively few members of InterLeft actually interested in R/D from what I can tell, and most of them already participate in Libcord (as either members of Wintercrest's military, the WRAF, or as members of the BLF - me being included in the latter).

Pyhdon wrote:Interleft has big barks, so they are doing treeson. I would have liked to call them sons of birches but it is too rude

As one of the people who founded it, I can confirm that we do not in fact have any big banks.

New United Common-Lands wrote:

3. Diplomacy, we have managed to develop great relations with the 3 member regions, however the alliance has reached a glass ceiling with there being very little other leftists regions who would want or even be eligible to join.

From my perspective as Minister of Foreign Affairs, It certainly feels like thereÂ’s an apathy towards the organisation, and many un addressed issues - like for instance the huge issue of itÂ’s poor reputation as seen by many other regions in NS (for reasons out of our control).

Apathy is certainly an issue, one I am hopeful we can fix. However, neither of the other things you mentioned here are things we can really do anything about. There are few other regions that would be eligible to join. Although I believe our poor reputation is no longer as poor as it once was.

New United Common-Lands wrote:

Leaving the InterLeft gives us a greater opportunity to focus on developing our own regional and foreign affairs.

How so? I cannot see any way in which it would do this. Unless you mean that TRTHNBB members would have more time available to 'develop regional and foreign affairs', which I doubt, because the apathy towards InterLeft you mentioned is as much an issue from TRTHNBB members as anyone else in InterLeft.

Claibornia wrote:Also, it is not “undemocratic” to hold a vote on leaving without holding debates with other IL members. We have a right to decide if we want to leave or not, and it is not right for you to call us out because we didn’t hear why you think we should stay.

You do. It is however arguably undemocratic to deny us the opportunity to tell you why we think you should stay, which is how Eurasia interpreted that post.

Brocklandia, America The Greater, The Independent States Of Allied Forces, Socialistic Britain, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia

How about we form our own group? As NUCL said we joined when we had little influence and now were at the big kid table. We have great foreign affairs and respect. If so many regions and individual citizens relied on the interleft even with unstable leadership then we would have no problem growing our own group because clearly others trust us and have similar visions as we do. We as a region also would benefit greatly in terms of resources and influence. If we have all these complaints about how IL didnt do this or that we could just start our own building on the successes' and legacy of IL and adjusting their failures and shortcomings.

Yodle

Flomonga wrote:How about we form our own group? As NUCL said we joined when we had little influence and now were at the big kid table. We have great foreign affairs and respect. If so many regions and individual citizens relied on the interleft even with unstable leadership then we would have no problem growing our own group because clearly others trust us and have similar visions as we do. We as a region also would benefit greatly in terms of resources and influence. If we have all these complaints about how IL didnt do this or that we could just start our own building on the successes' and legacy of IL and adjusting their failures and shortcomings.

Or you could 'adjust their failures and shortcomings' by, well, addressing them within the context of IL itself.

Hello from the East!

Brocklandia, Yodle, America The Greater, La Xinga, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, The Washington Federation, The New Las Vegas, Western Arba Fir

Mr. House sends his greetings from the East!

Remember to visit New Vegas often!

Brocklandia, Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, The Washington Federation, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Venesia Grande, Western Arba Fir

Hello The Region That Has No Big Banks (TRTHNBB)

Are there any big banks here

Brocklandia, Yodle, America The Greater, New United Common-Lands, The Washington Federation, The New Las Vegas, Western Arba Fir

Romanoddle Republic wrote:Hello The Region That Has No Big Banks (TRTHNBB)

Are there any big banks here

No. If there are, please report them to your nearest Sandersist-Yodleist Inquisitor immediately.

Brocklandia, Yodle, America The Greater, Soviet Federation Of Eurasia, Romanoddle Republic, The New Las Vegas

Astravica wrote:

Apathy is certainly an issue, one I am hopeful we can fix. However, neither of the other things you mentioned here are things we can really do anything about. There are few other regions that would be eligible to join. Although I believe our poor reputation is no longer as poor as it once was.

How so? I cannot see any way in which it would do this. Unless you mean that TRTHNBB members would have more time available to 'develop regional and foreign affairs', which I doubt, because the apathy towards InterLeft you mentioned is as much an issue from TRTHNBB members as anyone else in InterLeft.

I have doubts about how the lack of engagement in the InterLeft can be fixed, weÂ’ve struggled with this for the last year now, with no real indication of this changing. As I said before a lot of our members donÂ’t even have dealing with the InterLeft because they are not on discord and the IL has no out reach further than that unless itÂ’s about voting in chancellor elections.

Maybe you are correct it wonÂ’t make much difference regarding how we can develop our own region, because we are already doing that, but in theory you are talking about us being more engaged which would collectively require more time and dedication.

America The Greater

New-Union wrote:Long data chat

I sent all the information of my nation to the gpt chat, rp rules, and the lkandria dispatch to him

I carried out the massacre because I needed to boost my agricultural industry to supply India and not deal with instability

But you haven't said the promt you wrote to the AI about the Massacre. It is something very specific and brief. The promt

Socialistic Britain

💀🎺

Yodle, Socialistic Britain

Krayo29 wrote:But you haven't said the promt you wrote to the AI about the Massacre. It is something very specific and brief. The promt

Literally

"Descreva o cenário em inglês, a nova união ordena que seu exército se distribua nos territórios de maen após a rendição, após uma semana os cidadoes de maen ficam sem internet, luz, água, e sequer rádio, enquanto as sirenes de emergência emitem uma gravação, escreva a gravação seguindo essas qualificações, a gravação deve ter "caros cidadoes de maen", crie um motivo para separar os homems das crianças e mulheres (desastres naturais e etc), A razão por trás disso e para pegar os homens e executalos, e que na gravação avise que não cooperar resultará em retribuição letal"

My message straight from chat gpt, translate it yourself, it's 6 in the morning and I'm sleepy

Socialistic Britain, Syrasia, Venesia Grande

Merlovich wrote:Hello from the East!

Hello! Very nice to see y'all here :3

The New Las Vegas wrote:Mr. House sends his greetings from the East!

Remember to visit New Vegas often!

Greetings!

Romanoddle Republic wrote:Hello The Region That Has No Big Banks (TRTHNBB)

Are there any big banks here

I hereby confirm there is a lack of banks here.

Yodle, America The Greater, Merlovich, Socialistic Britain, Romanoddle Republic, Syrasia, The New Las Vegas

New United Common-Lands wrote:Hello! Very nice to see y'all here :3

Greetings!

I hereby confirm there is a lack of banks here.

Greetings indeed!

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Syrasia, Venesia Grande

Embassies Established with The East Pacific

May 26th 2024

Good morning!

I am very please to report, we have successfully opened Embassies with The East Pacific (TEP) as of May 26th, 2024. Over the past couple of months, we have participated in some joint events with TEP, joining a Civ 6 event hosted by TEP, and hosting a few Civ 6 and TOS games nights here as well. I am very glad we have managed to formalise this, opening and official embassy with TEP.

Can't wait to see some citizens from TEP participate in cultural events hosted by TRTHNBB, and vice versa!

Be sure to drop by TEP's RMB and say hi!

Yodle, America The Greater, La Xinga, Socialistic Britain, Romanoddle Republic, Syrasia, The New Las Vegas, Venesia Grande, Krayo29, Western Arba Fir

New United Common-Lands wrote:Should TRTHNBB leave the InterLeft alliance?

Almost 2 years ago, in unprecedented fashion, The Region That Has No Big Banks voted overwhelmingly to join the Inter-regional alliance the InterLeft, receiving 30 votes for and 4 against. https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=189321

Back then, our foreign affairs and relations lacked depth, and the InterLeft offered our region the opportunity to grow close relations with regions who had similar leftist ideals. At the time the member regions were; Union of Ever Socialist Republics, The Union of Greater Onionist Nations, The Free Peoples Union and Wintercrest. The alliance was described an ongoing project to create a left-wing interregional alliance (of predominantly smaller regions), with the focus on creating a forum for dialogue in the pan-leftist spectrum with emphasis on cultural cooperation, diplomacy, and collective military defense.

However, in reflection, a lot has changed since 2022, our region has matured having 6 successive active governments, developing foreign and cultural affairs especially. Now with an active ambassador programme, great relations with our embassies, hosting regular events on our discord, and joint events as well. When looking in the mirror, we can say for certain our own foreign affairs are in a much stronger position than back then.

This brings us to our position as a member of the InterLeft. Recently, we have had government discussions about our membership, due to losing our IL discord server, as the owner of the server had their discord account hacked. The current members of the InterLeft are Democratic Socialist Assembly, Aurora, and Wintercrest, which throughout our membership we have developed exceptional relationships with, and we would want to do nothing to jeopardise these relationships with our friends and allies.

Yet, we cannot ignore the fact that InterLeft has stagnated for a long time now, losing a sense of purpose and direction. The InterLeft has been plagued with inactivity, and consecutive chancellors being unable to effectively realise any form of change within the organisation. Against the 3 main objectives of the alliance outlined at itÂ’s inception; Cultural Cooperation, Military Defense and Diplomacy we have not managed to achieve as much as we would have wanted.

1. Cultural Cooperation, we have hosted some events on the InterLeft server, notably Civilisation nights and TTRPG; otherwise, there has been no real events organised under the InterLeft banner wider than the discord server.

2. Military Defense, we have a defensive pact, but no InterLeft military, nor would we want to participate in a military organisation with multiple regions as we have our own Liberation Forces.

3. Diplomacy, we have managed to develop great relations with the 3 member regions, however the alliance has reached a glass ceiling with there being very little other leftists regions who would want or even be eligible to join.

From my perspective as Minister of Foreign Affairs, It certainly feels like thereÂ’s an apathy towards the organisation, and many un addressed issues - like for instance the huge issue of itÂ’s poor reputation as seen by many other regions in NS (for reasons out of our control). In addition, given the Interleft is a solely discord based community, many members of TRTHNBB are unable to properly participate in the alliance and many residents have little idea what the InterLeft is.

I am saddened we have got to the position where the InterLeft hasnÂ’t really achieved everything we wished it too, however on the other hand I look at how far TRTHNBB has came in this period. When we have a focus on our Regional Affairs, and Foreign we can reap rewards for our own region. Leaving the InterLeft gives us a greater opportunity to focus on developing our own regional and foreign affairs.

Tomorrow, I will share a poll on whether we should vote to leave the InterLeft. Please do share your views on the RMB or discord server. IÂ’d be happy to answer any questions you have.

Kind regards

New United Common-lands

Minister of Foreign Affairs

Yes, we should leave

New-Union wrote:Literally

"Descreva o cenário em inglês, a nova união ordena que seu exército se distribua nos territórios de maen após a rendição, após uma semana os cidadoes de maen ficam sem internet, luz, água, e sequer rádio, enquanto as sirenes de emergência emitem uma gravação, escreva a gravação seguindo essas qualificações, a gravação deve ter "caros cidadoes de maen", crie um motivo para separar os homems das crianças e mulheres (desastres naturais e etc), A razão por trás disso e para pegar os homens e executalos, e que na gravação avise que não cooperar resultará em retribuição letal"

My message straight from chat gpt, translate it yourself, it's 6 in the morning and I'm sleepy

Thank you. Don't worry, I already translated it. I understand a little Portuguese.

Venesia Grande

Maen wrote:Did you know that bleach is a corrosive and toxic chemical? It could probably cause major health problems and infrastructure damage—and— if there were people outside, death. :3

Oh

I didnÂ’t think of that

But also, how is he gonna get that in my nation

Puttt

Im writing an wa propossal, anyone wants to be co-author?

Recognizing that all people should be able to choose who they are, both what their name and gender are, it is urgent that these rights be recognized by law.

Knowing also that these rights are, many times, prevented by the judge or seriously delayed, urges all WA nations to offer these rights to their citizens.

This assembly declares that the rights of trans people, both changing the name and gender on the national identity document, must be included in the laws of all countries.

Socialistic Britain, Venesia Grande, Krayo29

Puttt wrote:Im writing an wa propossal, anyone wants to be co-author?

Recognizing that all people should be able to choose who they are, both what their name and gender are, it is urgent that these rights be recognized by law.

Knowing also that these rights are, many times, prevented by the judge or seriously delayed, urges all WA nations to offer these rights to their citizens.

This assembly declares that the rights of trans people, both changing the name and gender on the national identity document, must be included in the laws of all countries.

pretty sure that law already exists

Socialistic Britain, Puttt

Puttt wrote:Im writing an wa propossal, anyone wants to be co-author?

Recognizing that all people should be able to choose who they are, both what their name and gender are, it is urgent that these rights be recognized by law.

Knowing also that these rights are, many times, prevented by the judge or seriously delayed, urges all WA nations to offer these rights to their citizens.

This assembly declares that the rights of trans people, both changing the name and gender on the national identity document, must be included in the laws of all countries.

While I support the creation of a bill like this

ItÂ’s been made multiple times

Socialistic Britain, Puttt

Socialistic Britain wrote:Pyhdon.. I like the neat idea of your alien population being made of metal.

but im gonna be honest, im gonna have to veto this and say it is.. semi-godmodding? also doesnt make too much sense

unless they're robots or something

kinda, like transformers

Puttt

Lemona wrote:Bleach? Oh no, what will my guns and drones and mechs and missiles do about that?

no, bleach makes it all go haywire, as it is liquid, and turns your lemonans into water-like fluid

Puttt wrote:Im writing an wa propossal, anyone wants to be co-author?

Recognizing that all people should be able to choose who they are, both what their name and gender are, it is urgent that these rights be recognized by law.

Knowing also that these rights are, many times, prevented by the judge or seriously delayed, urges all WA nations to offer these rights to their citizens.

This assembly declares that the rights of trans people, both changing the name and gender on the national identity document, must be included in the laws of all countries.

yes me, I was about to say that

Puttt

New-Union is an rp admin? What. The. [expletive]. Is. Wrong. With. Whoever. The. [another expletive]. Gave. Him. Admin. After. Doing. Something. That. Is. Borderline. Godmodding. In. My. Opinion!?

New-Union wrote:Literally

"Descreva o cenário em inglês, a nova união ordena que seu exército se distribua nos territórios de maen após a rendição, após uma semana os cidadoes de maen ficam sem internet, luz, água, e sequer rádio, enquanto as sirenes de emergência emitem uma gravação, escreva a gravação seguindo essas qualificações, a gravação deve ter "caros cidadoes de maen", crie um motivo para separar os homems das crianças e mulheres (desastres naturais e etc), A razão por trás disso e para pegar os homens e executalos, e que na gravação avise que não cooperar resultará em retribuição letal"

My message straight from chat gpt, translate it yourself, it's 6 in the morning and I'm sleepy

"New-Union orders exorcism to distribute our territories of Maen after surrender, after a week the cities of maen lose internet, electricity, water and also radio connection as emergency sirens emit a siren, a siren that has a lot of qualifications, a siren that says "All cities of Maen!" as a motive to separate the men from the women and children, by killing if neccesary. at 1:30, they were told to come and be executed, and the sirens

advice that non-compliance will kill them anyway. "

What the heck

Why did chatgpt go against it's own policy

Pyhdon wrote:New-Union is an rp admin? What. The. [expletive]. Is. Wrong. With. Whoever. The. [another expletive]. Gave. Him. Admin. After. Doing. Something. That. Is. Borderline. Godmodding. In. My. Opinion!?

You got no room to talk

Also he never godmodded youÂ’re just mad he beat you

Venesia Grande

Rusty Portuguese translation for me, but anyway

I used some French cognates there as well, and Spanish to figure most of it out.

and then I just waffled

Also im going to work on a system for disciplinarian action in rp, any suggestions?

Brocklandia, Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Venesia Grande

I think I'm going to leave rp

Brocklandia, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Western Arba Fir

Claibornia wrote:You got no room to talk

Also he never godmodded youÂ’re just mad he beat you

A) in his original rp he had outcomes, which is against rp

B) He sent 2 offensives, and did not give me time to clawback, thinking I will be roasted

C) He then tried to force me to leave the provinces, even though technically, I am

C1) Still fighting back

C2) he made some mistakes

So, no, he kinda borderline godmodded, and I saw it just as how I saw now that the rp that got me in trouble was godmodding, after reviewing it with an old mod

Claibornia wrote:Also im going to work on a system for disciplinarian action in rp, any suggestions?

Absolutely! Bring back public hangings ... Oh, and also the rack. I mean, why should we have to pay extra to use medieval torture devices in sex dungeons when the government coffers can be used to pay for them and make them available to everyone? Isn't that the core of socialism? Discipline should no longer be restricted to the privileged few who happen to have an S&M club nearbyeee ... Uh ... Oh, you meant a different kind of "disciplinarian action"? Then never mind.

[sub]Well, except for the public hangings. Definitely bring back those.[/sub]

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Krayo29

Krayo29 wrote:I think I'm going to leave rp

Well, put it away properly. Don't just leave it out in the middle of the floor where anyone can trip over it again.

Yodle, America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Krayo29

Pyhdon wrote:A) in his original rp he had outcomes, which is against rp

B) He sent 2 offensives, and did not give me time to clawback, thinking I will be roasted

C) He then tried to force me to leave the provinces, even though technically, I am

C1) Still fighting back

C2) he made some mistakes

So, no, he kinda borderline godmodded, and I saw it just as how I saw now that the rp that got me in trouble was godmodding, after reviewing it with an old mod

Ok IÂ’m gonna do something that needed to be done a while ago

New-Union how do you respond to this

Claibornia wrote:Ok IÂ’m gonna do something that needed to be done a while ago

New-Union how do you respond to this

I mean, I git in trouble twice, I realised that rp was godmodding, not my new rp

Astravica wrote:Or you could 'adjust their failures and shortcomings' by, well, addressing them within the context of IL itself.

I have only been here for a year so I dont know what they are. But clearly IL has plenty of them. Which is why starting our own group would be beneficial.

Yodle

Finally back in the WA

Yodle, Western Arba Fir

Brocklandia wrote:Well, put it away properly. Don't just leave it out in the middle of the floor where anyone can trip over it again.

thanks for the suggestion. It would be an ingenious way to "end" NU. He trips and rolls to the stairs where he falls, giving himself a lucky (sorry unfortunate) blow to the head with the tragic result of his death. I will claim that I am very absent-minded and I almost never remember where I put things...

Pyhdon wrote:yes me, I was about to say that

Ops...

Sht, I just tripped on a rp and broke my ankle 😭

Socialistic Britain, Krayo29

Hi?/Привет?

Puttt

Leruytpo wrote:Hi?/Привет?

Hello, how are you?/Привет, как дела?

Leruytpo wrote:Hi?/Привет?

Hello! If you have any questions about this region we are here to help! (I need google translate to figure this out.)

United States Of Alpha wrote:Hello! If you have any questions about this region we are here to help! (I need google translate to figure this out.)

he said/он сказал

Здравствуйте! Если у вас есть вопросы по этому региону, мы готовы помочь!

By the way, we are a region that will not tolerate and dont have big banks/Кстати, мы - регион, который не терпит и не имеет крупных банков.

Would prefer if you all kept it in English so everyone can read your messages.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain, Venesia Grande, Western Arba Fir

America The Greater wrote:Would prefer if you all kept it in English so everyone can read your messages.

You didnÂ’t say anything about both English AND Russian.

America The Greater

America The Greater wrote:Would prefer if you all kept it in English so everyone can read your messages.

this guy* speaks Russian, and I am giving translations

*person

Pyhdon wrote:this guy speaks Russian, and I am giving translations

he google translated hi

Leruytpo wrote:Hi?/Привет?

Pyhdon wrote:Hello, how are you?/Привет, как дела?

Pyhdon wrote:he said/он сказал

Здравствуйте! Если у вас есть вопросы по этому региону, мы готовы помочь!

Well, thank you for duplicating the message into my native language and your region is beautiful :)/Хорошо спасибо что вы дублироте сообщение на мой родной язык и ваш регион прекрасен :)

Yodle

America The Greater wrote:Would prefer if you all kept it in English so everyone can read your messages.

I smh can translate Portuguese without a translator, and some rusty Russie

Leruytpo wrote:Well, thank you for duplicating the message into my native language and your region is beautiful :)/Хорошо спасибо что вы дублироте сообщение на мой родной язык и ваш регион прекрасен :)

No Problem! By the way, can you speak English here, most people dont speak Russian and I am not on 24/7. Thx in advance:)/Без проблем! Кстати, вы можете говорить по-английски здесь, большинство людей не говорят по-русски, и я не на 24/7. Заранее спасибо:)

Pyhdon wrote:No Problem! By the way, can you speak English here, most people dont speak Russian and I am not on 24/7. Thx in advance:)/Без проблем! Кстати, вы можете говорить по-английски здесь, большинство людей не говорят по-русски, и я не на 24/7. Заранее спасибо:)

thanks :3

Leruytpo wrote:Well, thank you for duplicating the message into my native language and your region is beautiful :)/Хорошо спасибо что вы дублироте сообщение на мой родной язык и ваш регион прекрасен :)

Thank you! That makes us feel special. You are welcome with us./Спасибо! Это заставляет нас чувствовать себя особенными. Добро пожаловать к нам.

Leruytpo wrote:thanks :3

no problem

if you need any other help, just ask!/Если вам нужна любая другая помощь, просто спросите!

United States Of Alpha wrote:Thank you! That makes us feel special. You are welcome with us./Спасибо! Это заставляет нас чувствовать себя особенными. Добро пожаловать к нам.

You said it, not that

"Спасибо! Это заставляет нас чувствовать себя особенными. Приглашаем вас присоединиться к нам" is the translation

(last translation message unless asked)

Sorry I donÂ’t even know a single word of Russian so IÂ’m having to google translate my messages.

Venesia Grande

United States Of Alpha wrote:Sorry I donÂ’t even know a single word of Russian so IÂ’m having to google translate my messages.

I know rusty, but otherwise I use deepl translate

Pyhdon wrote:this guy speaks Russian, and I am giving translations

I'm just a girl :)

Venesia Grande, Krayo29

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