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Region: The Region That Has No Big Banks
I like this idea
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Just make everyone have the same exact modern technology, simple and fair (I know nobody with support this)
i mean
that is technically the most fair solution
Mjau
Applications for Interleft's Interregional RP are now open!
The following dispatch provides all the info you need to get started, (rules, the map, background lore etc) though for ease I am also including the application form at the bottom of this message.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1951807
The setting is a sci-fi one, and will be held on both the dedicated section of the InterLeft Discord and the Interleft RMB.
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Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Yeah no. It still needs to be futuristic so earth and Gaia can interact with each other Also there should be an advantage too having more SA than someone else. I shouldnt have the exact same technology as say Vordoslavia (sorry to use you as an example) when he has 53 SA points and I have over 1,000. Although I do agree that maybe some more stats should be considered when determining how advanced a nation is
Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Interesting time to advertise this
Socialistic Britain
I just thought that if we can settle for the compromise of Socialism, surely we can settle for the compromise of equal Scientific Advancement right?
Socialistic Britain
Back to my previous point of basing our rp on stats
Makes it more interesting in my opinion
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
No. Thats not a compromise. A compromise benefits both parties. This only benefits new nations
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Im honestly kinda interested in this. Ill try and make a thing later. Dont worry Im not gonna abandon Britains RP
Socialistic Britain, Kanoshu, Sicario Mercenary Corps
Capitalism gives a bunch of power to the rich (long-standing scientifically advanced nations) and nearly none to the poor (New Nations).
Socialism gives equal power to everybody, so the rich lose a bunch of power, and the poor gain a lot of power.
Socialistic Britain
I have already made an application
New United Common-Lands, Kanoshu, Sicario Mercenary Corps
Technically not a compromise
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
i have now just realized i mixed economics and industry..
Sicario Mercenary Corps
So the rich lose power and the poor gain power. Again, thats not a compromise (although I would like to see that someday). A compromise is more like theres last cookie and both you and your friend want it so you cut it in half. Compromise. Or you and your sibling want to play the Xbox. Maybe you each get 2 hours. Compromise (or play a split screen game)
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
So it goes
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps
sounds alot like not a compromise
Sicario Mercenary Corps
But why should the NS stats matter so much? We can compromise and have a limited scaling system, sure, but your way is just encouraging larger nations to snowball and suck all the fun out of the RP for new nations. We should be prioritizing getting new people on board.
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
I see what you mean, the new nations (the poor) don't lose anything, but isn't socialism still seen as ideally better than capitalism? Only the rich strongly refute that.
Socialistic Britain
Not everyone prioritizes new people
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Answer issues 🤝 Go up in stats
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
See? Thats a compromise. A limited SA scale. Kinda like Ardeyn said that a liked. New nations are still included but nations with more SA still have an advantage. So a newer nation could hypothetically win against someone with a higher SA rather than it being basically impossible
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps
Socialism is an economic system, not a rp governance system
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Why is it bad to prioritize new people, we don't want just the same people running the government being the only ones ever participating in the region, we could essentially then be a region of 20 nations.
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain
Well the new nations would gain a lot but old nations would lose a lot. Also were getting off topic from talking about the RP
Socialistic Britain
Yes, thats a compromise. It would be easier to make a whole new rp thing with the everyone is equal in power than changing what we have
Socialistic Britain
It's the distribution of power, and the distribution of money (money is power), is roughly the same, it's a metaphor.
Socialistic Britain
Not saying good or bad, just saying not everyone does
Personally I dont care too much
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
It's a good idea, but what's the point in roleplay if it would take me five years to have any chance in a conflict versus a powerful nation? What's the point of rp now then?
Socialistic Britain
Dont worry, it wont take 5 years. I havent even been on NS for 4 years I dont think
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps
Thats for RP Admins to balance better, but then also make alliances or do stuff like that
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
People also dont answer issues who RP. I feel like there should be recognition for answering issues on a daily basis
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps
Yeah, I mean it's tough to say, it's fine now I guess but I feel like new nations should have somewhat more power.
Socialistic Britain
I just don't think that should be the key factor in determining RP strength. If we don't incentivize new people joining, we're going to lose activity again.
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
How else would you determine strength, given this is RP based on your nation & NS calculator helps too
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
By the size of your land claim, but everybody has the same scientific advancement?
Socialistic Britain
Sure, it is now. What I'm saying is that the system as it stands is discouraging new members from actively participating.
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
I think a limited scaling system or some sort of points system with ns stats involved is the best we could do
America The Greater, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Maybe a non NS RP then would be better
Socialistic Britain
For an open parliament should there be a requirement of seven days residency? I think that sounds fair.
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain
Limited scaling system seems the best way forward - I definitely think opening up a committee for RP discussion would help us determine what the region wants to do here
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
That seems like a fair compromise. I mean, I wasn't able to invade Watermelon a few months back in the RP because my military simply wasn't strong enough, and it was totally fair that I shouldn't be able to invade people without consequences as a new nation. While I think we could make it more welcoming for newcomers, I don't think we should change too much because like it or not, the system as it stands has worked for some time.
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Considering this is gathering much interest, I guess we do a vote on whether to stick with current guidelines or revise in favour of a new proposal
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Adreabhal
I think that's fair
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
I know I say this a lot but I dont want Nations joining within a few days and then voting on stuff. There needs to be a time requirement it shows your dedicated to the region
Socialistic Britain, Adreabhal, Mjau
How about:
"Requires all residents that wish to be a member of the Parliament to have at least thirty-day residency, unless a nation is specifically exempted from this by the Prime Minister."
Socialistic Britain
Seven days isn't really a lot of time, I would agree. I think a month is much more fair: It's about the amount of time it takes for a nation to disappear, so at least it shows that the nation isn't just playing for a week and then dipping, and it shows some level of dedication to the region since nations that aren't going to stay typically stay a much shorter amount of time than a month.
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Why the exemption? Doesn't seem to me like a power the PM needs to have
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Sometimes a nation can be very active and if the PM agrees they deserve to be in the parliament why not?
It's not perfect to vest the power on the PM but parliament voting is so slow that by the time it passes, it's probably already been a month..
Socialistic Britain
I don't think it's unreasonable to vest the power to exempt someone from parliament in someone. The administration of this region aren't people to unfairly ban people and if they did, I trust that behavior would get called out.
Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands
A month works
Socialistic Britain, Adreabhal, Mjau
This says that the PM can exempt a nation from having to wait 30 days to join parliament, not kick them out of parliament.
America The Greater, Adreabhal
Ahhhh okay
Mjau
Because the PM is just one person. Elected, sure, but even elected officials can have agendas that don't align with the citizens of the region. It's an undemocratic procedure to allow the PM to bypass those rules. Not saying NUCL would use this for anything bad, but NUCL won't be the PM forever.
Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Mjau
I see what you mean but I also want a shortcut, maybe it's best to remove it for now though.
This will all go to a vote anyway, I assume, I just want to make sure my opinion's noted and maybe spark a conversation
Mjau
Yeah, it's good you're telling me your view on this because otherwise, I wouldn't know what's popular or unpopular in it.
America The Greater
What I've added since my last update includes:
e. Forbids any person from having multiple nations within the Parliament.
f. Assigns the role of presenting bills to Parliament to the Prime Minister until the Prime Minister declares otherwise.
"f" is just because we don't have a speaker of the house to present bills right now, so NUCL could do it until one is appointed.
Ive been delaying my rp because Ive been lazy but I could totally incorporate this really easily if yall would be down for it.
Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands, Mjau
Has it really been announced that Celist is TRTHNBB's cartographer now? lol
He was appointed a while ago
Celist
It's a workaround, so we probably shouldn't enshrine that first in the constitution - I would include a clause stating that the Speaker presents bills, and if no Speaker is present, the PM takes the responsibility, and so on. Also again removes the possibility of some future PM appointing any other non-elected person as the one who presents bills
Mjau
This is just a bill though, since I'd like this to happen now whereas the actual new constitution is going to take a while longer. I can do that though.
America The Greater
I don't want to make this about me or anything but I did want to share that today is the 1-year anniversary of Adreabhal's foundation! Thank you to everyone in this region for being cool and welcoming me into stuff. I look forward to continuing with this region; y'all have been nothing but awesome and I'm very grateful to have a place here!
America The Greater, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Great, we hope you will join the parliament after we pass this bill (hopefully) so that your voice may be better heard in our region!
America The Greater, Adreabhal
I did just apply cause I figured "Why not?"
America The Greater, Mjau
If you "applied" it may have been the old parliament post, but even if it was, you'll be free to join after this bill is passed.
America The Greater
I actually think that link is deprecated - I did the same thing but the system has totally changed. Which reminds me, our WFE is another thing we should probably revamp as a region
Adreabhal, Mjau
Who isn't in a political party, just for reference
America The Greater, Mjau
We're actually in the process of abolishing political parties with this bill I'm writing.
Sicario Mercenary Corps, Vordoslavia
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Mjau
Thanks for the heads-up
America The Greater
POLITICAL PARTIES ARE TO GIVE PEOPLE A VOICE, THERE IS NO FREEDOM IF YOU DO THIS
Mjau
lol don't worry you can still technically be in a political party I guess, but you will no longer vote for political party seats in Parliament.
America The Greater, Vordoslavia
Parliamentary Reformation Bill
Author: Mjau
The Region That Has No Big Banks:
Recognizes that the current Parliamentary system is uninviting to new members of the region and is therefore unproductive. The Region That Has No Big Banks, therefore:
Abolishes the party-list proportional representation voting system assigned to Parliament. The replacement shall be an open Parliament where any member of The Region That Has No Big Banks may join if they wish.
Realizes that this would lead to an increase in an increase in the peoples interest in joining Parliament. The Region That Has No Big Banks, therefore:
Removes the limit on the number of Members of Parliament, meaning there can be any number of Members of Parliament. This is in order for the Parliament to best represent the beliefs of all of the people, instead of only those who have been in the region for many months.
Forbids any person from having multiple nations within the Parliament.
Assigns the role of presenting bills to Parliament to the Speaker of the House. If the Speaker of the House is not present, the Prime Minister may present bills.
Requires all residents who wish to be a member of the Parliament to have at least thirty days of residency in the region before joining.
Requires Parliament to hear all bills submitted by any nation, if they are not worthy of being heard, they can simply be voted against.
Notes, Mjaus Explanation:
Our Parliament is filled with mostly our long-standing members, and even mostly members of the cabinet, including our Prime Minister and our Governor. These people have their power for good reason, and they have the most experience, but these are the people in our region with the most power. The people with the most power dont best represent all of the beliefs of the people of the region. So, the Parliament must be more open to all members in order to best represent the beliefs of all residents and to empower the people of The Region That Has No Big Banks.
-Mjau
Please, read my bill and tell me why you are against it if you are, I want feedback.
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, New United Common-Lands
Political parties also tend to drown out any other voice
*cough cough current American political situation cough cough*
America The Greater
I think keeping political parties is good for RP, but yeah, not my favorite system for Parliament
Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
ah, so political parties can still do stuff, just not as much
America The Greater, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Wth? Can someone run me up on 190+ Messages?
Seems that we can still use them for campaigning or organizing people by policy, but it won't be directly relevant to Parliament anymore
It really doesn't affect the real purpose of political parties, it just abolishes the party-list proportional representation voting system (which is arguably pretty bad).
America The Greater
political parties are becoming illegal lol
New United Common-Lands
Hey do you think you could put this under a spoiler? Just to avoid unnecessarily filling up the rmb with long messages
Socialistic Britain, Mjau
Lots of debate on whether we should reform the RP's system of scientific advancement, and also discussion about the direction of the region's Parliament
Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps
We were also talking about RP reform as well. We've been busy
*potentially
Has to pass
I think we should reform RP
America The Greater, Socialistic Britain, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Adreabhal, Vordoslavia, Mjau
Shocker
[I]Sarcasm[/I]
Adreabhal
No. Me? Sarcasm? Never
Yeah but youre not coming back.
Socialistic Britain
But it's also not true, political parties aren't being banned via that bill, it just seeks to abolish the party's relevance in voting for Parliament
Sicario Mercenary Corps
Nah, how about literally anything anybody argues about
[I]yeah, right.[/I]
Mjau
The State and Political Parties will become one when everyone joins the Common-unism Party
Sicario Mercenary Corps, Adreabhal, Mjau
Ah yeah I'll do that in the future sorry, what's the command for it?
Sicario Mercenary Corps
what is this rp thing everyone is talking about? if its something seperate that I need to do stuff to join (ie a form or something) where do I find it
Socialistic Britain
I think there is a list of all of em somewhere? Am in a math lecture so dont have time to find it cuz Ive forgotten the command lol
Mjau
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=330837
America The Greater, Sicario Mercenary Corps, Mjau
Ah np I'll look thanks
Sicario Mercenary Corps
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