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Yodle wrote:Everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs I suppose. That is good that you would separate your religious views from politics, without separation of church and state you can get some bad results haha

Haha, but you know what, I support having an official religion and some religious legislation, but not too much.

Lemona

Post by Catholic Zealots suppressed by Yodle.

Catholic Zealots

I agree homosexually is unholy and must be cleansed. Only through Jesus and his salvation may you be saved.

Lemona

Post by Catholic Zealots suppressed by Yodle.

Catholic Zealots

Leviticus 18:22: " Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." 3. Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Lemona

Post by Catholic Zealots suppressed by Yodle.

Catholic Zealots

1 Kings 14:24: "And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel."

Lemona

Post by Catholic Zealots suppressed by Yodle.

Catholic Zealots

Romans 1:26-27

Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones; in the same way, men committed shameful acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Lemona

Post by Catholic Zealots suppressed by Yodle.

Catholic Zealots

These are the perfect words from God. Follow in his footsteps or live in sin.

Lemona

Catholic Zealots wrote:These are the perfect words from God. Follow in his footsteps or live in sin.

Well you got your country's name right.

Yodle, Lemona

Alright, so he was founded and moved right to us to start doing that. Something is going on here.

Timor-Ocidente, Yodle, Primera Republica De Cantabria, Democratic People Of The Northern South, Democratic People Of The Southern North, Lemona

Bernie Nation wrote:Alright, so he was founded and moved right to us to start doing that. Something is going on here.

Maybe he thinks Bernie Sanders folks should vote Donald J Trump like the last guy. Might be connected.

America The Greater wrote:Maybe he thinks Bernie Sanders folks should vote Donald J Trump like the last guy. Might be connected.

That's what I'm guessing.

Lemona

Okay, who activated the fascist cannon?

Lemona

I don't think anyone did my good sir. :)

Lemona

Evangelistic Republic Of The Saved wrote:I don't think anyone did my good sir. :)

Well, you'll have to excuse me, my good sir, but I wasn't very specific, could it be considered an autocannon?

Lemona

Yeah, do excuse me, Bernie Nation, I couldn't resist the joke.

Lemona

You are good bro,

Lemona

Timor-Ocidente wrote:Well you got your country's name right.

Hey man, I'm Catholic!

Lemona

Pacifca wrote:Hey man, I'm Catholic!

Well there is a difference between a Zealot and a regular Catholic.

Pacifca, Lemona

I Don't Think there is.

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:All of you, guys, let us have our personal opinions. A religious Russian, versus a ton of (I suppose) atheist Westerners. These things are POLAR OPPOSITE. Any discussion like this is doomed to fail. I believe God creates our personality and other personal attributes which do not show up on the surface. All your parents do is give you the way you look and whether you are male or female, everything else is made by God, meaning that your sexuality is determined by God. By the way, when I said homosexuality is unnatural, I said KIND OF, meaning it is in some ways, but perfectly natural in others. Now, back to the main point, if God makes me homosexual or infertile, God is trying to say that I am not going to continue this branch of my family line. That is what I think. And I will not illegalise adoption of children by gay couples if I ever will be in any seat of power. I just do not support it, but I am willing to allow this to happen.

But if god gives you your personality then anything you do is his fault .If a toy you buy from a company does something it's not supposed to do (tickle me elmo spouting random curse words ) you don't blame the toy you blame the manufacturer.

Lemona

Timor-Ocidente wrote:On what scientific basis lies your view that humans were meant to be hetero? Most scientific studies in general find sexuality to be a fluid concept rather than a stern precinct, in any case, hormones drive desire for reproduction and continuation of the species, while sexuality pushes for, well, sexual relations.

What about bi/pansexual people? Are we also unnatural because, despite our sexual attraction for the opposite sex, we also harbor sexual desires for our own? The logic starts to break down when you read about the increasing chance of sexual fluidity within people and the fact that communities of bi and pansexual people exist, some of who get married with the opposite sex, and some who get married to those of their own sex.

Dont forget that most life on earth is bisexual.Including peacock spiders!

Timor-Ocidente, Erathonia, Lemona

Terrasitrus wrote:But if god gives you your personality then anything you do is his fault .If a toy you buy from a company does something it's not supposed to do (tickle me elmo spouting random curse words ) you don't blame the toy you blame the manufacturer.

No, it is not. A toy does not have its own brain, a human does. God gives you your personality, but you make the decisions. If you have a talent for leadership, but you do not discover it, you will still have that talent, but you have not discovered it yet. Your decisions discover your personality, but God gives it to you

Erathonia, Lemona

Oh deary me, this is quite a debate here.

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:No, it is not. A toy does not have its own brain, a human does. God gives you your personality, but you make the decisions. If you have a talent for leadership, but you do not discover it, you will still have that talent, but you have not discovered it yet. Your decisions discover your personality, but God gives it to you

God grants us free will if I'm not incorrect (it's been awhile since I've picked up a bible), so doesn't that mean he's not necessarily responsible for the actions of individuals?

Ichu, The Socialist Republic Of Russia, Primera Republica De Cantabria, Erathonia, Lemona

Russia, are you Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox?

The Socialist Republic Of Russia, Bernie Is A Communist, Lemona

I'm Jewish if that helps!

Lemona

Yodle wrote:God grants us free will if I'm not incorrect (it's been awhile since I've picked up a bible), so doesn't that mean he's not necessarily responsible for the actions of individuals?

Yes, he is not responsible for what we do, that is exactly what I am saying. God gives us talents and attributes in our personality, but we decide what to do with our talents and personality. God grants you a talent at leadership, but you can use it to become a brave military commander, a skilled politician or an evil Mafioso leader :-).

Bernie Nation wrote:Russia, are you Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox?

Yes, I am Eastern Orthodox of the Russian patriarchate. Also, why do you not ask whether I was a Protestant?

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Yes, he is not responsible for what we do, that is exactly what I am saying. God gives us talents and attributes in our personality, but we decide what to do with our talents and personality. God grants you a talent at leadership, but you can use it to become a brave military commander, a skilled politician or an evil Mafioso leader :-).Yes, I am Eastern Orthodox of the Russian patriarchate. Also, why do you not ask whether I was a Protestant?

You mentioned a while back that you were Catholic, so I wasn't sure if you followed the Roman ideology or Eastern Orthodoxy like many other Russians.

Lemona

Smash Patriarchy, alright, I'll stop...

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Yes, he is not responsible for what we do, that is exactly what I am saying. God gives us talents and attributes in our personality, but we decide what to do with our talents and personality. God grants you a talent at leadership, but you can use it to become a brave military commander, a skilled politician or an evil Mafioso leader :-).Yes, I am Eastern Orthodox of the Russian patriarchate. Also, why do you not ask whether I was a Protestant?

Does the Eastern Orthodox follow the leadership or the pope? Or do they have their own hierarchy

Lemona

Bernie Nation wrote:You mentioned a while back that you were Catholic, so I wasn't sure if you followed the Roman ideology or Eastern Orthodoxy like many other Russians.

Did I say I was Catholic?

Yodle wrote:Does the Eastern Orthodox follow the leadership or the pope? Or do they have their own hierarchy

We follow a different hierarchy, we have no single figurehead, we have patriarchs of different patriarchates (normally countries which follow Orthodoxy, but sometimes regions) which all meet once in a while and make decisions. By the way, we kind of have a pope, but he is not officially considered one. The Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia is the most influential, significant and powerful patriarch. By the way, the first time an Orthodox patriarch met with the Pope was in June/July. By the way, there is a title in the Orthodox church called a Pope, but it is a very low rank, and it is Pope (or Pop) is also languages, not like the Pope of the Vatican, who is called a Papa by some, a Pope by others, and a Papež as well.

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Did I say I was Catholic?

We follow a different hierarchy, we have no single figurehead, we have patriarchs of different patriarchates (normally countries which follow Orthodoxy, but sometimes regions) which all meet once in a while and make decisions. By the way, we kind of have a pope, but he is not officially considered one. The Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia is the most influential, significant and powerful patriarch. By the way, the first time an Orthodox patriarch met with the Pope was in June/July. By the way, there is a title in the Orthodox church called a Pope, but it is a very low rank, and it is Pope (or Pop) is also languages, not like the Pope of the Vatican, who is called a Papa by some, a Pope by others, and a Papež as well.

Isn't the highest leader of the orthodox church the patriarch of Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul)?

And aren't they extremely similar as they were separated due to the extreme amount of people adhering to the christian faith around 11th Century AD?

Lemona

Post self-deleted by Ichu.

My fellow nations, we bring good news from the front lines! The Sanders of Time forces have managed to take back three regions from the grasps of HYDRA Command: Port Royal, a raider haven, Fascists United, and Breckenridge! We're currently looking for new soldiers to join our forces so we can continue to fight off the raiders, send me or [nation=short]America the Greater[/nation] a telegram in order to enlist!

Lemona

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:Isn't the highest leader of the orthodox church the patriarch of Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul)?

And aren't they extremely similar as they were separated due to the extreme amount of people adhering to the christian faith around 11th Century AD?

He is no longer powerful, since he is in a city mainly populated by Muslims, while the Patriarch of Moscow is in charge of not only a city mainly populated by Orthodox Christians, but a whole nation. Officially, the Patriarch of Constantinople is the most important, but the Patriarch of Moscow is more powerful in practice.

If you'd like to lodge a complaint about our defender force's name, contact me. The pun is just the only thing that occurred to me, in my defense.

So who here thinks that Trump is a solid presidential candidate for this upcoming election?

Bernie Is A Communist wrote:So who here thinks that Trump is a solid presidential candidate for this upcoming election?

He's been imploding on himself recently lol

Wmtz

Bernie Is A Communist wrote:So who here thinks that Trump is a solid presidential candidate for this upcoming election?

Are you a Trump supporter? If so, maybe you can telegram me some reasons why, I'd be interested in a different perspective.

Yodle wrote:He's been imploding on himself recently lol

I know it is funny, to watch lol

America The Greater wrote:Are you a Trump supporter? If so, maybe you can telegram me some reasons why, I'd be interested in a different perspective.

I'm not too sure who I support honestly.

Lemona

Bernie Is A Communist wrote:I know it is funny, to watch lol

I'm not too sure who I support honestly.

Join the club, I do not know who to support, an ultra racist but friendly to Russia candidate, or a tolerant candidate, who cannot tolerate the fact that the Russians love Putin. Anyway, why would I care. All I need to know is who sits in the Duma, who is the President of Russia, and which party has their bastards in the Commons.

Wmtz, Lemona

That's fair Hillary is someone I really don't want in office. She's way to shady for my liking.

Lemona

Welcome to the region [nation=short]Makeoeaii[/nation]!

Lemona

Yodle wrote:Welcome to the region [nation=short]Makeoeaii[/nation]!

Thanks! It's great to be here.

Lemona

Hello people I have two things to say: 1- We

now have a brand-new fancy-slanky discord, just go into https://www.discordapp.com/ and follow the instructions there. The server is at: https://discord.gg/VxtRG. 2- We're bringing more debate to you and a chance to get yourself introduced into our great and glorious region. Introducing governments in which you can get involved as a member of a party, a presidential candidate or even as an independent politician for a chance to get into governments, all of this of course is on discord in which you can campaign and debate with other people.

Arguin Isle

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:Hello people I have two things to say: 1- We

now have a brand-new fancy-slanky discord, just go into https://www.discordapp.com/ and follow the instructions there. The server is at: https://discord.gg/VxtRG. 2- We're bringing more debate to you and a chance to get yourself introduced into our great and glorious region. Introducing governments in which you can get involved as a member of a party, a presidential candidate or even as an independent politician for a chance to get into governments, all of this of course is on discord in which you can campaign and debate with other people.

Adding to that, our plans to implement a new system of government are not fully formed yet, and by joining Discord, you'll get the chance to participate in discussions about the direction we should go with our government. It will give individual nations more of a voice in our region.

Primera Republica De Cantabria

America The Greater wrote:Adding to that, our plans to implement a new system of government are not fully formed yet, and by joining Discord, you'll get the chance to participate in discussions about the direction we should go with our government. It will give individual nations more of a voice in our region.

I really want to get Discord, but I cannot use it on my browser and neither can I download it on my Kindle Fire. :-(

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:I really want to get Discord, but I cannot use it on my browser and neither can I download it on my Kindle Fire. :-(

Do you use the browser on your Kindle Fire?

Lemona

Guys, this is YUGE:

[B]Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons[/B]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/

Bernie Nation, Yodle, Primera Republica De Cantabria, Wmtz, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Join the club, I do not know who to support, an ultra racist but friendly to Russia candidate, or a tolerant candidate, who cannot tolerate the fact that the Russians love Putin. Anyway, why would I care. All I need to know is who sits in the Duma, who is the President of Russia, and which party has their bastards in the Commons.

What do you think of Putin?

Lemona

Hi everyone!

Yodle, America The Greater, Primera Republica De Cantabria, Lemona

Wmtz wrote:Hi everyone!

Hello!

Wmtz, Lemona

Shek Tong Tsui wrote:Guys, this is YUGE:

[B]Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons[/B]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/

Let's hope this can spread to the state private prisons

Wmtz, Lemona

Yodle wrote:Do you use the browser on your Kindle Fire?

Yep

Wmtz wrote:What do you think of Putin?

Great President

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Yep

Great President

Why? I think the American stigma against Russia is mostly stupid, but I have heard that he has suppressed freedoms and become like a dictator (I don't know if these are just rumors or not).

Lemona

They are rumours. The reason many people consider Russia a dictatorship is because the Russian people love Putin. And he has not suppressed freedoms.

Wmtz, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:They are rumours. The reason many people consider Russia a dictatorship is because the Russian people love Putin. And he has not suppressed freedoms.

With the critical exception of LGBTQ invidividuals and Pussy Riot.

Wmtz, Lemona

Wmtz wrote:Why? I think the American stigma against Russia is mostly stupid, but I have heard that he has suppressed freedoms and become like a dictator (I don't know if these are just rumors or not).

Sweden has even worse stigma just because planes overfly Gotland every so and so.

Lemona

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:With the critical exception of LGBTQ invidividuals and Pussy Riot.

Well, as Russia has explained, that stems from the country's deeply rooted religious beliefs. However, he has also told us that perhaps the treatment of the LGBTQ community in Russia is no nearly as terrible as Western media makes it out to be. But other than that and the media, I can't say any more definitely.

Yodle, Lemona

Bernie Nation wrote:Well, as Russia has explained, that stems from the country's deeply rooted religious beliefs. However, he has also told us that perhaps the treatment of the LGBTQ community in Russia is no nearly as terrible as Western media makes it out to be. But other than that and the media, I can't say any more definitely.

Yep, exactly. By the way, there is no law against civil partnerships between same sex couples, there is just a law (which is not a federal law) that does not allow homosexuals to propagate their sexuality. And the LGBT community in Russia are a very small minority.

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:They are rumours. The reason many people consider Russia a dictatorship is because the Russian people love Putin. And he has not suppressed freedoms.

What good things has Putin done?

Lemona

I think communism has proven to work and should be adopted.

Lemona

Bernie Is A Communist wrote:I think communism has proven to work and should be adopted.

Well, I agree in a sense that socialization of public utilities and collectivization of work is a good idea yet it needs a strong or no leadership, since I'm not the expert in neither and my point of view is rather Trotskyist I believe that going back to more ancient ways is the real key to communism in its real form, not going forward at a speed WAAAAAY too advanced for the rest of a huge country, which is the reason of the great purge, the Gulag and the rather unorthodox movement of people out to Siberia. It all really depends on which type of communism, or socialism, of which there are many different ideologies within, some of them being (from moderate to extreme):

-Social Democracy

-Democratic Socialism (They may seem the same but democratic socialism is more Dictatorship of the Proletariat-ish)

-Marxism (Pure and Simple)

-Leninism

-Maoism

-Stalinism

Then there are the other more Libertarian groups such as:

-Anarchists

-Trotskyists

-Paleo-Communists

Yodle, Wmtz, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Yep, exactly. By the way, there is no law against civil partnerships between same sex couples, there is just a law (which is not a federal law) that does not allow homosexuals to propagate their sexuality. And the LGBT community in Russia are a very small minority.

Is it true that Saint-Petersburg has a law on that that is valid for 99 years only?

Which oblasts do tolerate secret homosexual unions?

And what are your opinions on the Syrian Civil War and its sides?

Wmtz, Lemona

Wmtz wrote:What good things has Putin done?

Sorted out Russia after the mess Yeltsin got himself and his country into.

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:Is it true that Saint-Petersburg has a law on that that is valid for 99 years only?

Which oblasts do tolerate secret homosexual unions?

And what are your opinions on the Syrian Civil War and its sides?

1. I do not know, I do not live in Saint Petersburg.

2. Every oblast tolerates any type of union, as long as they do not harm others.

3. After the coalition defeats ISIL, Syria must hold an election, and decide who shall be the President. In case you did not realise, but Assad should have a right to stand for President as well as others.

Lemona

Post self-deleted by Erathonia.

Suggestion to the current government: Embassies with the region of The Internationale and the Federation of Anarchist Communes.

Yodle, Wmtz, Lemona

Hello People, seems like the constitution has already been finished so here's the link for suggestions! https://docs.google.com/document/d/19zT8aiFV-GbR_rC1os1VFB1YctVQkibjttl4G_V8oxQ/edit?usp=sharing

Makeoeaii, Lemona

I would love to hear about the reasons for your choices on the poll

Lemona

Bernie Is A Communist wrote:I think communism has proven to work and should be adopted.

No offense, but most, if not all communist countries are failures. The Soviet Union fell, East Germany, Poland and the other Warsaw Pact countries turned capitalist. China changed from a Communist country to a quasi-capitalist one, North Korea is possibly the worst country to live in,and we all know what's happening with Cuba. Saying that Communism works is like saying that invading Russia in winter is the best war strategy, to claim that you need to ignore virtually all of human history.

Lemona

Makeoeaii wrote:No offense, but most, if not all communist countries are failures. The Soviet Union fell, East Germany, Poland and the other Warsaw Pact countries turned capitalist. China changed from a Communist country to a quasi-capitalist one, North Korea is possibly the worst country to live in,and we all know what's happening with Cuba. Saying that Communism works is like saying that invading Russia in winter is the best war strategy, to claim that you need to ignore virtually all of human history.

You never know about the invading of Russia in winter, third times a charm!

Lemona

Yodle wrote:You never know about the invading of Russia in winter, third times a charm!

Karl von Clausewitz said that "Russia is not a country that can be invaded or occupied. It can only be defeated by its own weaknesses or internal troubles."

Karl von Clausewitz (1780 - 1831) - Prussian and later Russian military theorist and officer

Bernie Nation, Wmtz, Lemona

Yodle wrote:You never know about the invading of Russia in winter, third times a charm!

Also, by the way, Russia has been invaded much more than three times. Since the ascension of Tsar and later Emperor Peter the Great, Russia has only lost two (arguably three) and all of them were offensive wars (or at least started as an offensive war).

Lemona

Makeoeaii wrote:No offense, but most, if not all communist countries are failures. The Soviet Union fell, East Germany, Poland and the other Warsaw Pact countries turned capitalist. China changed from a Communist country to a quasi-capitalist one, North Korea is possibly the worst country to live in,and we all know what's happening with Cuba. Saying that Communism works is like saying that invading Russia in winter is the best war strategy, to claim that you need to ignore virtually all of human history.

Ah yes, I forgot how Marxist-Leninist dictatorships literally account for every other possible form of socialist state.

Yodle, Wmtz, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Also, by the way, Russia has been invaded much more than three times. Since the ascension of Tsar and later Emperor Peter the Great, Russia has only lost two (arguably three) and all of them were offensive wars (or at least started as an offensive war).

Sweden I think tried twice and failed

at all of them.

Lemona

Makeoeaii wrote:No offense, but most, if not all communist countries are failures. The Soviet Union fell, East Germany, Poland and the other Warsaw Pact countries turned capitalist. China changed from a Communist country to a quasi-capitalist one, North Korea is possibly the worst country to live in,and we all know what's happening with Cuba. Saying that Communism works is like saying that invading Russia in winter is the best war strategy, to claim that you need to ignore virtually all of human history.

Those failed due to capitalist intervention in almost all their affairs, let us not forget which economy actually won the war.

Lemona

Terrasitrus wrote:I would love to hear about the reasons for your choices on the poll

I was stuck between Hitler and Mao.. While Mao has the highest death toll to his name, I feel like the relatively successful genocide of Jews in Europe committed by Hitler had the largest impact on western culture. Like, even the mere mention of his name can spark a whole cascade of emotions and associations that will forever be negative. So that's why I chose him.. The reason I didn't choose Columbus is because even if he wasn't the first European to bring knowledge about the new world, someone else inevitably would have been and the fate of the Native American genocide would've been the same. Most of them died from disease spread by Europeans long before we came to do it ourselves. The reason I didn't choose Stalin was because even if he didn't purge and massacre his own people, he'd still be an evil dictator who helped to get us into the Cold War which lasted 40 years

Bernie Nation, Lemona

Timor-Ocidente wrote:Ah yes, I forgot how Marxist-Leninist dictatorships literally account for every other possible form of socialist state.

In theory they're perfect, in practice they don't really work it seems

Timor-Ocidente, Lemona

Yodle wrote:In theory they're perfect, in practice they don't really work it seems

Just my opinion, but the road to a utopia in which all are equal cannot start with an authoritarian regime bent on crushing opposition.

Yodle, Wmtz, Lemona

Timor-Ocidente wrote:Ah yes, I forgot how Marxist-Leninist dictatorships literally account for every other possible form of socialist state.

Marxism contradicts Leninism. Marxism is about democracy (dictatorship of the workers) and Leninism is about a totalitarianism (dictatorship of an elite).

Yodle, Primera Republica De Cantabria, Lemona

Marxism-Leninism was a mix created by Lenin to justify his authoritarian regime as a dictatorship of the proletariat. But yes, Marxism is quite Libertarian, as Marx described it as the process from revolution to anarchy (First comes revolution, then comes a government which rules for about 20 years or so to make things alright then the government falls because the people don't need it, and voila, we have a Marxist Dictatorship of the Proletariat).

Timor-Ocidente, Yodle, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Marxism contradicts Leninism. Marxism is about democracy (dictatorship of the workers) and Leninism is about a totalitarianism (dictatorship of an elite).

No matter how contradictory it is, the name of the philosophy that saw utilization in the SU and other states was/is called Marxism-Leninism.

Yodle, Lemona

If you could stop one of these horrible people by going back in time and convincing them not to do it who would it be?

Or how about no? I don't really want to deal with the consequences of a time travel paradox.

Yodle, Wmtz, Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Marxism contradicts Leninism. Marxism is about democracy (dictatorship of the workers) and Leninism is about a totalitarianism (dictatorship of an elite).

The thing about Marxism is it makes violence part of the making of the dictatorship of the proletariat. As a pacifist, thats a big no. I'm a democratic socialist.

Bernie Nation, Yodle, Ursus Island, Lemona

Wmtz wrote:The thing about Marxism is it makes violence part of the making of the dictatorship of the proletariat. As a pacifist, thats a big no. I'm a democratic socialist.

I am a liberal and socialist Russian monarchist, so I just plainly do not agree with communism or Marxism or Lenininsm or any other form of extreme socialism, because it supports revolution. A lot of people think that socialism was developed by people who understood the bad sides of communism and capitalism, and mixed the good sides of both. But that is wrong. Socialism is older than communism, Marx took socialism and pushed it further. He said that history works like this: first, there is a feudal system, where the power belongs to the monarch and the nobility. The nobility exploit the peasants and serfs on their land, and get income by selling the products they produce on their land. Then, the transition from aristocracy and feudalism to bourgeoisie and capitalism, where the economy is owned by a few lucky commoners. Then, the autocracy falls and is replaced by a bourgeois democracy, which must happen for the revolution to succeed, because this democracy will introduce the people to the basic aspects of democracy, and after a few years, the people, oppressed by capitalism, will rise up and start a revolution and establish a democratic socialist government. Then, after a few years, the people would start another revolution and overthrow the state and create an ideal version of ruling the nation, anarcho-communist communities which decide what will happen in their areas.

Primera Republica De Cantabria, Wmtz, Lemona

Wmtz wrote:The thing about Marxism is it makes violence part of the making of the dictatorship of the proletariat. As a pacifist, thats a big no. I'm a democratic socialist.

Revolutions can be peaceful, you know, you just need overwhelming popular support.

Wmtz, Lemona

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:Revolutions can be peaceful, you know, you just need overwhelming popular support.

Of course, I'm just saying Marx was ok with a violent struggle.

Lemona

Wmtz wrote:Of course, I'm just saying Marx was ok with a violent struggle.

Yeah, because in that time of dictatorships it was the only way of taking power.

Wmtz, Lemona

Primera Republica De Cantabria wrote:Those failed due to capitalist intervention in almost all their affairs, let us not forget which economy actually won the war.

Um, you mean the US economy? Because if you look at the respective GDPs the US was always richer than the USSR. Besides this just proves my point, if every single Communist country failed while many Capitalist ones survived, then Communism doesn't work, not in the long term. The ideology is flawed from the start.

Yodle, Lemona

Makeoeaii wrote:Um, you mean the US economy? Because if you look at the respective GDPs the US was always richer than the USSR. Besides this just proves my point, if every single Communist country failed while many Capitalist ones survived, then Communism doesn't work, not in the long term. The ideology is flawed from the start.

lol

Yodle, Lemona

Makeoeaii wrote:Um, you mean the US economy? Because if you look at the respective GDPs the US was always richer than the USSR. Besides this just proves my point, if every single Communist country failed while many Capitalist ones survived, then Communism doesn't work, not in the long term. The ideology is flawed from the start.

Actually, it is all lies, the Rouble was worth more than the Dollar. Capitalist countries survived because they decided to shift slightly left after the fall of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union fell not because of communism, but because of idiotic nationalist capitalists. I would rather live in Gorbachev's USSR and not in Yeltsin's Russia. Gorbachev's USSR, slow shift to democracy, there is no such thing as a millionaire or a homeless person and a strong economy. Yeltsin's Russia, ILLUSION of a quick shift to democracy (in reality it became an oligarchy with democratic aspects), a few millionaires and a ton of him less people and a sh*t economy. Please note, I am no communist (by the way the USSR was not even communist, it was very far left socialist).

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Actually, it is all lies, the Rouble was worth more than the Dollar. Capitalist countries survived because they decided to shift slightly left after the fall of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union fell not because of communism, but because of idiotic nationalist capitalists. I would rather live in Gorbachev's USSR and not in Yeltsin's Russia. Gorbachev's USSR, slow shift to democracy, there is no such thing as a millionaire or a homeless person and a strong economy. Yeltsin's Russia, ILLUSION of a quick shift to democracy (in reality it became an oligarchy with democratic aspects), a few millionaires and a ton of him less people and a sh*t economy. Please note, I am no communist (by the way the USSR was not even communist, it was very far left socialist).

Are you sure the Rouble was worth more? Even at its recent peak it was only like .05 to the American dollar

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Actually, it is all lies, the Rouble was worth more than the Dollar. Capitalist countries survived because they decided to shift slightly left after the fall of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union fell not because of communism, but because of idiotic nationalist capitalists. I would rather live in Gorbachev's USSR and not in Yeltsin's Russia. Gorbachev's USSR, slow shift to democracy, there is no such thing as a millionaire or a homeless person and a strong economy. Yeltsin's Russia, ILLUSION of a quick shift to democracy (in reality it became an oligarchy with democratic aspects), a few millionaires and a ton of him less people and a sh*t economy. Please note, I am no communist (by the way the USSR was not even communist, it was very far left socialist).

http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/20/everything-you-think-you-know-about-the-collapse-of-the-soviet-union-is-wrong/ nope it was just economic that killed the USSR.

Lemona

The Socialist Republic Of Russia wrote:Actually, it is all lies, the Rouble was worth more than the Dollar. Capitalist countries survived because they decided to shift slightly left after the fall of the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union fell not because of communism, but because of idiotic nationalist capitalists. I would rather live in Gorbachev's USSR and not in Yeltsin's Russia. Gorbachev's USSR, slow shift to democracy, there is no such thing as a millionaire or a homeless person and a strong economy. Yeltsin's Russia, ILLUSION of a quick shift to democracy (in reality it became an oligarchy with democratic aspects), a few millionaires and a ton of him less people and a sh*t economy. Please note, I am no communist (by the way the USSR was not even communist, it was very far left socialist).

Wasn't there also a very popular joke in Russia that went like "Everything they said about communism was false, everything they said about capitalism was true".

Lemona

Erm... I read history books and stuff, I was not born then. I am still only a child. I am 13, not 50.

Wmtz, Lemona

I hate to be so cliche, but people are using computers that would not exist without capitalism to argue against it. I hope they see the irony.

Lemona

Erathonia wrote:I hate to be so cliche, but people are using computers that would not exist without capitalism to argue against it. I hope they see the irony.

No they wouldn't exist without war...

Lemona

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