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Ardeyn wrote:Happy New Year everyone !

Just for the record I may be a little bit more busy than usual as I’m currently reworking the entire TST and brainstorming a few ideas for the new regional rp (+ personal life stuff) I hope 1 more nation decides to join the rp soon so I can put them into fruition

Xoxo

Yeah I think we need 1 more nation to start RP :D

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Yeah I think we need 1 more nation to start RP :D

We Could consider Joining this RP, But i'm unsure on how it would work

Silica Republic wrote:We Could consider Joining this RP, But i'm unsure on how it would work

Read The Roleplay Dispatch Should Probably Pin It.

what happened to the regional forum?

New United Common-Lands wrote:what happened to the regional forum?

I think the link became bugged wait a minute.

What the heck happened to my ideology? It said I was before a NY Times Democracy and now a Innoffensive Centrist Democracy I don’t remember being NY Times Democracy last time I was I remember NY Times Democracy I soon turned back into Liberal DS Then DS unless I changed 2 ideologies at the same time idk what happened.

Also To Clarify: Also to clarify, all I did was not allow parliament to act like 4 year olds.

Yodle

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:What the heck happened to my ideology? It said I was before a NY Times Democracy and now a Innoffensive Centrist Democracy I don’t remember being NY Times Democracy last time I was I remember NY Times Democracy I soon turned back into Liberal DS Then DS unless I changed 2 ideologies at the same time idk what happened.

Also To Clarify: Also to clarify, all I did was not allow parliament to not act like 4 year olds.

Sounds like NationStates to me LOL

Edit: thought I was on Yodle when I typed this lmao

Yodle

Make sure y’all vote in the poll!

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Do you know how to modify party program and informations?

Yodle, Socialistic Britain

Partisan Italy wrote:Do you know how to modify party program and informations?

you may not be able to if your trying to edit the dispatch that you didnt create for me it says edit in the bottom right hand corner

Partisan Italy, Socialistic Britain, The Green Environment

I have published in my factbook the new SUR program, slightly different from the original one.

I have modified:

- Drug policy

- Foreign policy

- Energy policy

- Leader responsibilities

- Peace and war section (deleted)

- Economic policy (only slightly)

I may have forgotten to list some changes I have made, but the old version is still present in the party section of the Region.

The new program is only provisional, open to discussions and changes.

Yodle, Socialistic Britain

Partisan Italy wrote:I have published in my factbook the new SUR program, slightly different from the original one.

I have modified:

- Drug policy

- Foreign policy

- Energy policy

- Leader responsibilities

- Peace and war section (deleted)

- Economic policy (only slightly)

I may have forgotten to list some changes I have made, but the old version is still present in the party section of the Region.

The new program is only provisional, open to discussions and changes.

I sent you the SUR Party Code so make a dispatch and put the code.

Thanks To Yodle For Gifting Me Postmaster General!

Yodle

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:I sent you the SUR Party Code so make a dispatch and put the code.

I don't know how to use the code

Partisan Italy wrote:I don't know how to use the code
just copy the code and paste it into your dispatch

Yodle, Partisan Italy

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The Green Environment wrote:just copy the code and paste it into your dispatch

Thank you!

Is the dispatch the factbook?

The Green Environment

Partisan Italy wrote:Thank you!

Is the dispatch the factbook?

Factbooks and some other stuff

Partisan Italy

Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“We are living in many ways in a socialist society right now, problem is as Dr. Martin Luther King reminded us, we have socialism for the very rich, rugged individualism for the poor, When Donald Trump gets $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury condominiums, that’s socialism for the rich.” - Bernie Sanders, 2/19/2020

Yodle, Partisan Italy, Pifflepoff, New United Common-Lands

I have just finished to modify the SUR program using the code. It is on my factbook. Good read!

Yodle

Hey folks,

I’m really glad to see activity! I was checking out our allies and their regions and it definitely inspired me to get the regional government, even a rudimentary form of it, up and going very soon!

To achieve this, we should first address the most immediate things which a regional government can control and influence. I think we should write up (I can do the writing up part itself to make it fancy) and vote on a law for rules regarding RMB conduct, but since the forum isn’t fully set up for legislative debates and not everyone has Discord, I think we should brainstorm right here on the RMB itself!

So, I pose this question to you guys, what rules and restrictions would you want to see implemented into a law regarding RMB conduct? This can include things we explicitly forbid, the consequences for breaking conduct, the consequences for continuously breaking conduct, general good practices for a healthy RMB, or even standardizing weekly discussion questions and things like that! Feel free to throw around any ideas you have :D

Partisan Italy, Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland, The Green Environment

I know I'm terrible, but I just added some new policies to the SUR program, so it is Now different from the program you could have read.

Yodle wrote:Hey folks,

I’m really glad to see activity! I was checking out our allies and their regions and it definitely inspired me to get the regional government, even a rudimentary form of it, up and going very soon!

To achieve this, we should first address the most immediate things which a regional government can control and influence. I think we should write up (I can do the writing up part itself to make it fancy) and vote on a law for rules regarding RMB conduct, but since the forum isn’t fully set up for legislative debates and not everyone has Discord, I think we should brainstorm right here on the RMB itself!

So, I pose this question to you guys, what rules and restrictions would you want to see implemented into a law regarding RMB conduct? This can include things we explicitly forbid, the consequences for breaking conduct, the consequences for continuously breaking conduct, general good practices for a healthy RMB, or even standardizing weekly discussion questions and things like that! Feel free to throw around any ideas you have :D

First we need to state the obvious,

No discriminatory language (Racism, Religious Discrimination, Etc.)

No spam

Secondly, for legislative debates I think it would be a good idea to start your debate message with [DB] to not confuse with just regular talking.

Partisan Italy

Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“Americans’ right to freedom of speech should not be proportionate to there bank accounts” - Bernie Sanders, 9/9/2014

Yodle, Partisan Italy

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“Americans’ right to freedom of speech should not be proportionate to there bank accounts” - Bernie Sanders, 9/9/2014

These are good

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“Americans’ right to freedom of speech should not be proportionate to there bank accounts” - Bernie Sanders, 9/9/2014

Yeah these are really cool I definitely like them

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“Americans’ right to freedom of speech should not be proportionate to there bank accounts” - Bernie Sanders, 9/9/2014

You should definitely keep them up! Despite the fact that we are technically a non partisan region in principle, most of the people here are left wing because of the regions history and name so I think it’s a good idea

Were Back!

Silica Republic

About the new bill in parliament, how would we pay for a universal healthcare system?

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:About the new bill in parliament, how would we pay for a universal healthcare system?

Taxing the wealthy I suppose.

Partisan Italy

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Taxing the wealthy I suppose.

How much would it cost?

And why can't we let people decide on whether to use private healthcare or the universal healthcare system?

Also, how will this healthcare system be structured?

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Taxing the wealthy I suppose.

But in countries WITH universal healthcare, everyone's taxes are raised to fund it.

Which is why I hereby vote against this bill in parliament.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:But in countries WITH universal healthcare, everyone's taxes are raised to fund it.

even if that is true, I think it'd be better than people spending all there money on mediocre healthcare from private healthcare companies with only economic incentives.

Partisan Italy

I’d rather pay extra taxes than be denied my right to advanced medical attention simply because I don’t have the cash to boot.

Partisan Italy

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:even if that is true, I think it'd be better than people spending all there money on mediocre healthcare from private healthcare companies with only economic incentives.

I think a great alternative is to regulate healthcare prices, and making sure that healthcare funds don't go to insurance companies.

In the UK we pay national insurance which is a line on our taxes.

Personally I am a great supporter of universal healthcare system. I think that private healthcare has to be nationalized, because here in Italy the coexistance of public and private healthcare is a disaster: private healthcare tycoons and insurance companies lobby politicians in order to foster the private sector to the detriment of public healthcare.

Some of the results are: artificially lengthened waiting lists for public medical services in order to divert patient to private clinics owned by doctors who also work in the public, continuous cuts to public healthcare budget, the request by public hospitals (thanks to regional law) of the payment of tickets for public health services and a lot of corruption.

Yodle, New United Common-Lands

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:But in countries WITH universal healthcare, everyone's taxes are raised to fund it.

It is true, but with a proportional system in which who has more pay more and who has less pay less or nothing at all.

I think that it is better and less expensive to pay taxes for a Universal healthcare system then for military budget and for making wars. Who benefits from wars? Only big companies and capitalists.

How to vote for a bill?

Partisan Italy wrote:How to vote for a bill?
Telegram Aya Democratic Republic

Partisan Italy

I like how sometimes I am very good in one world census category for the world, and very bad for the region, and Vice versa.

Examples:

Social Conservatism - World: Top 66%, Region: Top 42%

Religiousness - World: Top 75%, Region: Top 45%

Partisan Italy, New United Common-Lands, The Green Environment

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:I like how sometimes I am very good in one world census category for the world, and very bad for the region, and Vice versa.

Examples:

Social Conservatism - World: Top 66%, Region: Top 42%

Religiousness - World: Top 75%, Region: Top 45%

all nations states in this region are really liberal

Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“So tell me, what it means to be a socialist?” - Ezra Klein

“A democratic socialist, what it means is that one takes a hard look at countries around the world, who have success records in fighting and implementing programs for the middle class, and working families.”, 7/28/2016

Yodle

What do you think about the new SUR program?

Partisan Italy wrote:What do you think about the new SUR program?

Looks good !

Partisan Italy

Shouldn’t we change the flag back to the original now?

Ardeyn wrote:Shouldn’t we change the flag back to the original now?

Maybe, Tommorow I’m too lazy lol

New United Common-Lands wrote:all nations states in this region are really liberal

nope

Hey guys if you like this I will continue but if the majority of you guys, think this is too partisan or something then tell me!

Also the quote doesn’t have to be from Bernie Sanders although probably the majority will, so think of it more as a Anti-Rich quote.

Sanders Quote Of The Day

“We will no longer tolerate the greed of corporate America, and the billionaire class”, 3/8/2019

Partisan Italy

Partisan Italy isn’t actually apart of parliament but has voted for the bill?

No, I didn't vote for the bill

I'm watching TV. It's crazy what is happening in Washington! And it's crazy that these people really think that Trump is anti establishment. America needs Socialism, not Biden or Trump.

I'm sorry for what is happening

Partisan Italy wrote:I'm watching TV. It's crazy what is happening in Washington! And it's crazy that these people really think that Trump is anti establishment. America needs Socialism, not Biden or Trump.

I'm sorry for what is happening

What?! Do you want America to become North Korea?

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:What?! Do you want America to become North Korea?

If Trump stays in power it will.

Partisan Italy wrote:No, I didn't vote for the bill

In the parliament dispatch Aya put you down in the list of people voting for the current bill.

No, I hate North Korean regime, it's barbaric!

North Korea is not really socialist

Ardeyn wrote:If Trump stays in power it will.

In the parliament dispatch Aya put you down in the list of people voting for the current bill.

I don't know why, I didn't vote, I'm not yet a member of parliament

Partisan Italy wrote:No, I hate North Korean regime, it's barbaric!

North Korea is not really socialist

Give me an example of any socialist country that is not "barbaric".

And that typical "iT wAsNt rEaL sOc1aLiSm" argument is a bad one.

Partisan Italy wrote:I don't know why, I didn't vote, I'm not yet a member of parliament

Ah must’ve been a mistake then

Aya Democratic Republic

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:Give me an example of any socialist country that is not "barbaric".

And that typical "iT wAsNt rEaL sOc1aLiSm" argument is a bad one.

Evo Morales in Bolivia or Rafael Correa in Ecuador, for exemple. Or, better then Correa and Morales, the succesful experiment of libertarian socialism of EZLN in mexican Chiapas. Other experiments of good Socialism were repressed in blood, such as the anarchic revolutions in Spain or in Ukraine, or the revolution in northern Syria (Rojava) that is in crisis after the turkish attack.

New United Common-Lands

Socialism must benefit the people and mankind, or it is not Socialism

Ardeyn wrote:Ah must’ve been a mistake then

Aya Democratic Republic

It is surely only a mistake.

Partisan Italy wrote:Socialism must benefit the people and mankind, or it is not Socialism

So does Vuvuzuela, Mao's China, and the USSR count as socialism? By your logic, no. By basic logic, yes. Typical argument from a socialist.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:So does Vuvuzuela, Mao's China, and the USSR count as socialism? By your logic, no. By basic logic, yes. Typical argument from a socialist.

Venezuela, China, &, The USSR aren’t socialist and yes I know you said it was a excuse it really is not. By your logic North Korea is a democracy because it’s name is the Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea.

Partisan Italy

Partisan Italy wrote:It is surely only a mistake.

It is.

Partisan Italy wrote:Evo Morales in Bolivia or Rafael Correa in Ecuador, for exemple. Or, better then Correa and Morales, the succesful experiment of libertarian socialism of EZLN in mexican Chiapas. Other experiments of good Socialism were repressed in blood, such as the anarchic revolutions in Spain or in Ukraine, or the revolution in northern Syria (Rojava) that is in crisis after the turkish attack.

1. Anarchy is not necissarily socialism.

2. There are a lot more succesful capitalist countries.

USA

Japan

S. Korea

UK

France

Germany

Ireland

Switzerland

Sweden

Taiwan

Norway

Australia

Deng's China

Botswana

India

Saudi Arabia

Turkey

Pre-Communist Cuba

Canada

Hong Kong

Macau

Imperialist Europe (Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands)

3. There are a lot more failed communist & socialist countries than successful ones:

USSR

Mao's China

Cuba

India

Hungary

Poland

Ethiopia

Uganda

Congo

Syria

Libya

Brazil

Yugoslavia

Albania

Vuvuzuela

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Venezuela, China, &, The USSR aren’t socialist and yes I know you said it was a excuse it really is not. By your logic North Korea is a democracy because it’s name is the Democratic People’s Republic Of Korea.

I never said it in accordance to name, it's in accordance to the system. And you're still desperately trying to cling on to "iT wAsNt ReAL sOc1aLiSm".

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:1. Anarchy is not necissarily socialism.

2. There are a lot more succesful capitalist countries.

USA

Japan

S. Korea

UK

France

Germany

Ireland

Switzerland

Sweden

Taiwan

Norway

Australia

Deng's China

Botswana

India

Saudi Arabia

Turkey

Pre-Communist Cuba

Canada

Hong Kong

Macau

Imperialist Europe (Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands)

3. There are a lot more failed communist & socialist countries than successful ones:

USSR

Mao's China

Cuba

India

Hungary

Poland

Ethiopia

Uganda

Congo

Syria

Libya

Brazil

Yugoslavia

Albania

Vuvuzuela

Successful ≠ Good

Any country can be “successful” a country can be successful while being a cruel dictatorship. While most of those successful countries aren’t dictatorships, most either are successful through corporate greed, or has policies like welfare, or a decent minimum wage, Etc.

And most of your failed socialist states aren’t socialist. And if they were the reason they failed is because there a dictatorship. Just like capitalism it can fail if it’s a dictatorship.

Partisan Italy

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:So does Vuvuzuela, Mao's China, and the USSR count as socialism? By your logic, no. By basic logic, yes. Typical argument from a socialist.

I have given you exemples of good and libertarian Socialism.

Yes, there were and there are exemples of authoritarian Socialism, but, if it remains authoritarian, it is not socialist . Karl Marx spoke of a stateless communist society as the final stage of the socialist revolution, after the dictatorship of the proletariat. Experience has demonstrated that the dictatorhip of the proletariat degenerates, in most cases, in a brutal authoritarian State, in which the bureaucratic class steels the power from the people. But also Liberalism has given rise to a brutal dictatorship when it was implemented after the French Revolution.

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Successful ≠ Good

Any country can be “successful” a country can be successful while being a cruel dictatorship. While most of those successful countries aren’t dictatorships, most either are successful through corporate greed, or has policies like welfare, or a decent minimum wage, Etc.

And most of your failed socialist states aren’t socialist. And if they were the reason they failed is because there a dictatorship. Just like capitalism it can fail if it’s a dictatorship.

1. You're still clinging on to the strawman argument "iT wAsN't rEaL sOc1aLiSm". So basically, according to your logic, socialism is only sociaism when it works, which is almost never.

2. Cuz of a dictatorship? Tell that to Deng's China, which I listed in the list of succesful capitalist countries.

3. The communist party was elected democratically in India.

Don't blame it on authoritarianism.

Partisan Italy wrote:I have given you exemples of good and libertarian Socialism.

Yes, there were and there are exemples of authoritarian Socialism, but, if it remains authoritarian, it is not socialist . Karl Marx spoke of a stateless communist society as the final stage of the socialist revolution, after the dictatorship of the proletariat. Experience has demonstrated that the dictatorhip of the proletariat degenerates, in most cases, in a brutal authoritarian State, in which the bureaucratic class steels the power from the people. But also Liberalism has given rise to a brutal dictatorship when it was implemented after the French Revolution.

1. Karl only applied anarchy to communism, when there is clearly a difference between communism and socialism.

2. Anarchy (statelessness) doesn't work. It descends into a lawless society.

So either way, it's loss.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:1. You're still clinging on to the strawman argument "iT wAsN't rEaL sOc1aLiSm". So basically, according to your logic, socialism is only sociaism when it works, which is almost never.

2. Cuz of a dictatorship? Tell that to Deng's China, which I listed in the list of succesful capitalist countries.

3. The communist party was elected democratically in India.

Don't blame it on authoritarianism.

1. It’s not a excuse. What’s your definition of socialism then?

2. As I said before, Successfull ≠ Good

3. Dictators can be elected, there have been several cases of dictators abusing there power.

Partisan Italy

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:1. Anarchy is not necissarily socialism.

2. There are a lot more succesful capitalist countries.

USA

Japan

S. Korea

UK

France

Germany

Ireland

Switzerland

Sweden

Taiwan

Norway

Australia

Deng's China

Botswana

India

Saudi Arabia

Turkey

Pre-Communist Cuba

Canada

Hong Kong

Macau

Imperialist Europe (Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands)

3. There are a lot more failed communist & socialist countries than successful ones:

USSR

Mao's China

Cuba

India

Hungary

Poland

Ethiopia

Uganda

Congo

Syria

Libya

Brazil

Yugoslavia

Albania

Vuvuzuela

You speek of succesful countries, but the success is only for very few people.

Also liberal democracy is not really democratic: it gives you the illusion of freedom, but it is a hidden oligarchy for rich people. For exemple, like Snowden has revealed, we are constantly spyed, or by the government or by multinationals like Facebook or Google.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:1. Karl only applied anarchy to communism, when there is clearly a difference between communism and socialism.

2. Anarchy (statelessness) doesn't work. It descends into a lawless society.

So either way, it's loss.

Anarchy does not mean absence of organized institutions, only institutions different from State intitutions and more democratic. In Chiapas it works, and very well.

Partisan Italy wrote:Anarchy does not mean absence of organized institutions, only institutions different from State intitutions and more democratic. In Chiapas it works, and very well.

Ok I can be pro-socialist but I think anarchy may be a bit too far. It is defined as a country with no laws.

Partisan Italy

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Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Ok I can be pro-socialist but I think anarchy may be a bit too far. It is defined as a country with no laws.

Anarchy means a country with no laws in the common sense, but, as an ideology, it is very different. EZLN in Chiapas is an anarcho-communist popular movement, so they are anarchists, but they aren't lawless.

Partisan Italy wrote:Anarchy means a country with no laws in the common sense, but, as an ideology, it is very different. EZLN in Chiapas is an anarcho-communist popular movement, so they are anarchists, but they aren't lawless.

If they aren't lawless, they're not anarchist.

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Anarchy is not the only possible form of libertarian socialism. We also can think of a State with a multi-party democracy, in which each party represents different types of socialism.

I don't know which form is better, but the important is that workers controll collectively the means of production and that the society is democratically governed.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:If they aren't lawless, they're not anarchist.

They are anarchists. They use assemblies and direct democracy, not State institutions.

I quote from Wikipedia:

"At a local level, people attend a popular assembly of around 300 families in which anyone over the age of 12 can participate in decision-making. These assemblies strive to reach a consensus, but are willing to fall back to a majority vote. The communities form a federation with other communities to create an autonomous municipalities, which form further federations with other municipalities to create a region. The Zapatistas are composed of five regions, in total having a population of around 360,000 people as of 2018.

Each community has 3 main administrative structures: the commissariat, in charge of day-to day administration; the council for land control, which deals with forestry and disputes with neighboring communities; and the agencia, a community police agency".

Partisan Italy wrote:You speek of succesful countries, but the success is only for very few people.

Also liberal democracy is not really democratic: it gives you the illusion of freedom, but it is a hidden oligarchy for rich people. For exemple, like Snowden has revealed, we are constantly spyed, or by the government or by multinationals like Facebook or Google.

Average and Poor Incomes have increased under Capitalism, not just wealthy incomes. Meanwhile everyone's income declines under socialism and communism.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:Average and Poor Incomes have increased under Capitalism, not just wealthy incomes. Meanwhile everyone's income declines under socialism and communism.

Again, and if I have to repeat this one more time I will explode, THAT IS NOT REAL SOCIALISM.

Partisan Italy

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Again, and if I have to repeat this one more time I will explode, THAT IS NOT REAL SOCIALISM.

Are you still clinging to that stupid strawman argument? IT WAS REAL SOCIALISM, AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

You're only pretending it wasn't real socialism because you KNOW that socialism doesn't work.

ADR, how could you argue for socialism, when you are a capitalist country?

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:ADR, how could you argue for socialism, when you are a capitalist country?

NationStates was being dumb with issue results.

Partisan Italy, Lunmania

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:Are you still clinging to that stupid strawman argument? IT WAS REAL SOCIALISM, AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

Ok fine, what is your definition of socialism?

I am pausing the Sanders Quote Of The Day since we seem to have a debate.

DSP (Aya Democratic Republic) SUR (Partisan Italy) VS TSB (Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland)

Partisan Italy

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Ok fine, what is your definition of socialism?

When business is controlled by the government in a centrally planned economy. Or by the workers.

Socialist governments distribute money how they like, not necessarily equally, but usually.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:When business is controlled by the government in a centrally planned economy. Or by the workers.

Socialist governments distribute money how they like, not necessarily equally, but usually.

But the government is elected by the people.

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:But the government is elected by the people.

Do you see that in socialist countries? no.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:Do you see that in socialist countries? no.

Would it be fair to say capitalism is entirely a dictatorship if you lived during the colonization times? No

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:Would it be fair to say capitalism is entirely a dictatorship if you lived during the colonization times? No

1. The capitalist system is democratic because it allows us to vote for which products to buy, who to buy from, and provides incentive.

2. The entire world was made of dictatorships during colonial times.

Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland wrote:1. The capitalist system is democratic because it allows us to vote for which products to buy, who to buy from, and provides incentive.

2. The entire world was made of dictatorships during colonial times.

In socialism you can buy what you want too, Socialism just doesn’t allow corporations to abuse there power.

Also all the socialist countries are dictatorships but that doesn’t means socialism is a dictatorship.

Aya Democratic Republic wrote:In socialism you can buy what you want too, Socialism just doesn’t allow corporations to abuse there power.

Also all the socialist countries are dictatorships but that doesn’t means socialism is a dictatorship.

But socialism prevents private companies from moving up. It's government force.

The government controls big business, so most of the money goes to them.

Therefore, you are being a hypocrite when you argue that capitalism is an oligarchy. Because socialism is an oligarchy.

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