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Region: The Region That Has No Big Banks
The money doesnt go to governments it goes to the lower-middle class and the poor that need the money instead of the rich just getting money they dont need.
Partisan Italy
Its easy to call capitalism democratic until you notice the fact that right-wing countries appeal more toward big companies and religious fanatics instead of the people.
Theres nothing democratic about having a leader hellbent on shilling out for corporate favour or workers having no control how they manage the workplace they require for survival. And even though I do consider myself to be a social democrat I do believe that full-socialism is way more favourable than any form of capitalism. Personally, I think a mixed economy slowly progressing toward socialism would be our best bet.
Socialism doesnt cause dictatorship, its the human greed that does.
Partisan Italy
That's not what we see in socialist countries. In socialist countries, people are very poor, having to wait long lines for rolls of toilet paper. Just look at Vuvuzuela and North Korea. And don't tell me that "iT wAsNt rEaL sOc1aLiSm". Because it was, and it didn't work.
1. Most workers don't want to control their companies.
2. It's incentive to make money. Many small businesses also rely on capitalism, not just big corporations. So, ironically, you are stripping some people of their income.
I don't get why people believe in a system that has proven to fail time and time again.
There isn't a
A system that has proven to fail time and time again is the exact definition of Capitalism
New United Common-Lands
Exactly, capitalism. Failing to deal with technological unemployment, global poverty, societal aging, climate change, resource scarcity.
Partisan Italy
When private companies move up, they become so economically and politically powerfull that they can manipulate markets and prices all over the world, decide in which country pay taxes, monopolise entire sectors and productions, corrupt politicians and governments, pressure States to make wars or coup d'etat for their interests, steel hundreds of thousends of jobs relocating in countries with semi-slave workforce, have profits superior to the GDP of entire countries, receive State aids because they are "too big to fail", pay scientists in order to have false research papers favorable to their interests... I can go on to the infinite.
New United Common-Lands
Have you seen capitalist countries? I live in a capitalist country, and I'm just fine! Appreciate what you have because of capitalism!
1. Capitalism saved 80% of the world from starvation.
2. Encouraging immigration reverses societal aging.
3. Resources are abundant under capitalism, because people have incentive to make money from it.
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And if you think that only a government can be authoritarian and not a private company, you make a very big mistake: for exemple, the Commercial Companies of colonial times, that were private companies, could mobilize armies of mercenaries and conquer entire countries and peoples in order to steel their resources and lands and to enslave them. King Leopold of Belgium's Congo Free State also was a private company owned by him.
Today companies like Facebook or Google, or free app developer companies, spy on people and sell their private and intimate informations to the highest bidder, also governments and secret servicies, but also other companies that, potentially, might blackmail workers or refuse to employ them.
What about the people in poverty because of capitalism? What about the people starving because of capitalism? What about the people dying because of capitalism? I will only appreciate the comfortable life I have if poverty isnt an issue. No one should be comfortable with this broken system while thousands starve.
Partisan Italy
You forget that the entire world is a single system and that rich countries are rich because a lot of other countries are very poor. Also in rich countries there are enormous inequalities an a lot of poverty. This is capitalism
1. In socialism, one institution holds all those roles, the tyrannical and ginormous government.
They manipulate markets and prices.
They exploit people with high taxes to fund their huge government.
They monopolize the entire economy.
Many socialist governments are very corrupt as to deny people a decent living.
The government's workforce is semi-slave, all employees are government employees.
The government has more money than the people.
They exploit people with high tax rates to fund their big governments.
And spread propaganda to brainwash their citizens.
In capitalism, everyone is unequally prosperous.
In socialism, everyone is equally poor.
It should matter how much the people are making, not how much the rich make in proportion. The middle class in America is well-off, and can afford their basic needs.
Ok, so which is the difference between Soviet Union under Stalin or North Korea and a multinational company or a big bank? You are defending a regime attacking another.
Also you consider Socialism only as the totalitarian State model, but I brought you exemples of functionig libertarian and democratic Socialism.
Socialism is defined as the ending of the exploitation of man by man: only this is really Socialism, not regimes calling themself "socialists" or "communists".
Ok, so visit a favela in India or Brazil, or a country like Sierra Leone. Are they "unequally prosperous" or are they poor?
Propaganda? Last I checked our dear republican President Donald Trump utilised much of that to rally fascists by his side and need we forget about Hitler? And what about all the other right-wing tyrants? It doesnt matter what ideology youre apart of because propaganda is everywhere.
Partisan Italy
And what about the lower class?
Partisan Italy
Also private companies use propaganda: it is called marketing
This is not the fault of capitalism. Socialist governments can easily do this as well.
And without capitalism, we wouldn't have Facebook or Google. We would have a backwards society in which there were no technological advancements, because of a lack of incentive to sell them. The product you are using to play this simulation was made under capitalism.
There's a funny joke out there, it says:
What did socialists use before candles?
Electricity.
In communism and socialism, everyone starves.
Socialism helps the middle class, and the poor not the wealthy and corporations.
In capitalism everyone gets the worst except for the rich.
Partisan Italy
If capitalism was the maker of google and Facebook by god I wish it was never invented.
And of course our devices were made under capitalism. We live in capitalist nations.
And speaking of a backwards society, there are many capitalist nations that are just that. Russia, Japan, and Poland spring to mind. And although they might not be backwards technologically, they certainly are socially.
1. In socialism, the government exploits the people by giving them not enough resources because the money isn't enough in a zero sum pie.
2. Also Vuvuzuelan socialism started off as democratic, but quickly became tyrannical.
Define "socially backwards".
The lower class has been eradicated in America thanks to capitalism.
Ok I know your gonna say this is not a excuse. But,
THAT WASNT SOCIALISM.
Partisan Italy
Russia outlaws gay marriage, the government of Poland recently outlawed abortion (which resulted in mass riots and them making it legal once again✊) and LGBT in Japan is just generally frowned upon. So, in summary being socially backwards is believing that certain human beings deserve less rights than others simply because they are different.
Partisan Italy
Wrong. In capitalism, the middle class is well-off and the poor class is eradicated. Look at America.
In socialism, everyone is poor. Look at Vuvuzela or North Korea.
Ok first stop calling Venezuela Vuvuzela and secondly,
THAT WASNT REAL SOCIALISM AND THIS ISNT A EXCUSE.
Again with that?! You can't keep saying a weak talking point and expect to win a debate.
IT WAS REAL SOCIALISM, AND IT DIDN'T WORK!!! DEAL WITH IT!
This is the fault of capitalism, because, like Marx tought, the accumulation of capital always starts with a theft: colonialism, land grabbing, imposed austerity, massacre of American Indians, english enclosure acts are all exemples of this.
Cotton grown in colonial India or cultivated by slaves in America fostered the industrial revolution, rubber exctracted in Congo Free State, in conditions of slavery and with massacres that resulted in a genocide, fostered the automobile boom.
Workers violently separated from their common lands (means of production) with enclosure acts in England or with land grabbing in South East Asia went to work in factories. Land grabbing is separating workers from their means of production (common lands) also in Africa today.
We are talking about economic issues here, not social issues.
And abortion is murder, by the way.
Gay is okay though.
Look the government controls everything in Venezuela & North Korea that isnt socialism thats a dictatorship.
Partisan Italy
This has since changed. Laws have said that you can't treat workers as such, and placed a minimum wage. It's not capitalism to blame.
You think that socialism is exempt from being a dictatorship? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Weak argument! It's that same "iT wAsNt rEaL sOc1aLiSm" argument in disguise!
I am not saying socialism cant be a dictatorship Im just saying they are not socialist and Its not a excuse for the 10 trillionth time
Scientific advancement existed also before Capitalism
You can't use this same argument over again and win. If you would like to use this weak and debunked argument, then go ahead, make my day.
Tell me your definition of socialism.
Partisan Italy
But capitalism accelerated it by providing us with the internet.
I already told you.
When business is controlled by the government and money is distributed how the government wants it to be.
I go to sleep, next round tomorrow.
Good night friends, comrades and political rivals!
Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland
And the government is democratically-elected it gets distributed democratically.
Well socialism certainly hasn't been committing to that. Hypocritical.
(A fetus does not scientifically become a human being which can feel pain until 20-27 weeks of pregnancy, so an abortion before that time period is not murder. And it never truly is murder until it gains personhood.)
Ah, but I digress.
In terms of economics there are many different forms of socialism and society has vastly changed since the times of the soviets. The Communism utilised by them is far outdated, and there has since been better versions of socialism created, but not yet fully tested. The Nordic countries are ruled over by democratic socialist and social democratic political parties, but are not officially socialist. But they also arent capitalist. The Nordic countries are statistically the happiest nations in the world and they deny capitalism. Marxist-Leninism and the human lust for power is the problem, not socialism. The freer the market the freer the people, but it still needs to be restricted because of greedy corporations.
The nordic countries are some of the freest-market countries in the world. It is very easy to start a business there.
Its easy to start a business in a socialist country. It doesnt restrict your ability to start one.
Nope. This objects to the very ideology of socialism, in which all business is controlled by the state.
Socialism is defined as:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
See? Its regulated by the community not just some wealthy CEO paying minimum wage to its employees.
Partisan Italy
And how does the commmunity control companies?
1. And yet 740 million people around the world still live in destitution, Worlds 26 richest people own as much as poorest 50%, wealth can be shared through a socialist system. Wealth should be defined by how hard you work yet in Capitalism its defined by the private school you went to or having a silver spoon
2. Immigration cuts worker wages if uncontrolled, but not every country in the world can encourage immigration.. that is a short term solution for western countries which is filling the gap.
3. Resource scarcity means taking everything from our environment so theres no oil, coal, metals left... which is accentuated by the demands for businesses to make a profit
Partisan Italy
Most of those 740 million are in Africa, a land plagued by dictatorships and bad geography. And most billionaires aren't born rich.
Automation is an alternative to immigration, as you can have them work otherwise minimum wage jobs.
Renewable energy is a great alternative to oil and coal, because it's renewable.
We support renewable energy but oil and coal are being used by You Know It! Large corporations and gazillionaires.
Partisan Italy, The Green Environment
i dont really think so
Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland
Renewable energy is a great alternative to oil and coal, because it's renewable. - Tell the major Corporation about that. Developing software to get every last piece of oil out of the ground. ofc rewenable energy is better but its a free market therefore anything that makes money is viable.....
Partisan Italy
Only 3% of oil is available using current technology. With better fracking technology, we can reach further.
I'm happy that we agree at least on one thing: renewable technology is the only chance we have to save humanity from climate change.
Santu Surgo, Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland, The Green Environment
Self management by the workers
But most workers don't want to control their companies.
Well then they can just do what there CEOs tell them to do if they dont wanna control them.
Did term limits and political freedoms fell. Incredible
Yodle
I mean your not allowing people to elect people again if they still like them and there is no alternative.
Yodle
Thanks to everyone who voted for the "Universal Healthcare Act" :)
The Green Environment
hello
Partisan Italy, New United Common-Lands, The Green Environment
Your welcome :)
New United Common-Lands
Very much inactivity....
Partisan Italy, Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland, New United Common-Lands
how long until our election
I dont know, but I think it may be pointless Becuz based on the Census almost everyone is ok with the status quo.
Partisan Italy, Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland
true i guess
Yodle
but thats the whole point of an election
Yodle
Why such inactivity?
Yodle
idk
Yodle
nice
Yodle
How is everyone?
Yodle, The Green Environment
Very good, thanks!
Yodle, Lunmania, New United Common-Lands, The Green Environment
Im Good! hby?
Yodle, The Green Environment
Sorry for my inactivity lads, work has been busy as of late
Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland
Good as well! Getting tired of being in Lockdown but otherwise ok!
Yodle, Partisan Italy, The Green Environment
Welcome
Partisan Italy, The Green Environment
im still here dont remove me
Yodle
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Yodle, Partisan Italy, The Green Environment
Everything has been feeling a bit stale
Is that just me?
I feel it too
yeah no me too. feels like as soon as i knew how this game worked it became more of a grinding game than nation management. i guess when you can 'max out' stats in your country it doesnt feel like its about making YOUR ideal nation at all. i wish there was a bit more complexity to it
Peoples Republic Of Peepeeland
I mean we can still chat?
Mars Hotel
Welcome Mars Hotel
Mars Hotel
Hey you changed your flag! Your not Yemen anymore!
Many thanks!
New United Common-Lands
I love your nation!
Mars Hotel
Yeah i finally found a flag design that i liked :)
Brings up the image of a sci-fi communist state for me. Perhaps thats just because of the colour scheme
New United Common-Lands
Hiiiii owo
Lunmania, Ardeyn, The Green Environment, Mars Hotel
Hi!
The Green Environment
Hi, every new arrives!
The Green Environment, Mars Hotel
Hello TRTHNBB friends! ^_^
There are only two days left to submit your photos to this years Forest Photo Contest! Submissions will close on January 21st at midnight GMT. Anyone from a region that has an embassy with us can submit photos.
If you havent dug out your best photos yet or snapped some great new ones for the Contest, I highly suggest you do so. We have four great categories this year!
You can find all the full information here:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1478310
You can head over to Forest's forums (https://forest.freeflarum.com/t/photo-contest) to submit your photos, or you can telegram links to the images to me.
Happy submitting! :)
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