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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Strike the provision All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive. As this is in direct conflict with the rights set out in Article II. The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections
This provision will be changed to public defenders; Public Defenders will be mandated to serve the people of Thaecia, if they are unwilling to do this without express reason, their position as a Public Defender within the Ministry.
Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, Titanne
Ok, when we get our newest member, Ill add that to the suggested amendments docket.
The Naval Federation
By the way, Senators, I have decided that we need to take an informal recess, as it appears that the vote on this bill may be a tie, and we don't currently have a tie breaker! Thanks!
I motion to drop this bill. We should call a snap election as soon as possible and leave this voting for after it, there is one permanent vacancy (aka reformist seat which can no longer be filled), plus the other TPU seat which is still vacant. I urge the Chairman to pass a motion for snap election as soon as possible, and leave this bill for after we have an actual reasonable amount of people to vote.
Duras
Actually, the Ministers are going to do that, my top two priorities are to have a hearing for Lemonadia, and pass the congressional expansion bill.
Also, xD please ping me...
Aye to both
Titanne
Am I even in the senate still...?
Titanne
Yes, please vote.
Aye, Nay
RESULTS FOR:
Thaecian Bar Association Act (S.B. 012)
Author: Rhyssua
Sponsor: Titanne
[spoiler=Preamble]To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the Thaecian Bar Association.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I - The Bar Exam]The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article II - Rights and Duties]All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:
The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.
All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:
Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so theyll be aware when a potential client wants representation.
Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III - Public Defenders]In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but cant find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV - Negligence/Inactivity]All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.
Inactivity for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.
Negligence for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a clients case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article V - Record-keeping]All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Passed Amendments]The following amendment has been made to this bill:
Amendment A
Add the following provision to Article II:
Citizens who pass the Bar Exam are recognised, and given the express right to display at the end of their name the honorific prefix; M.B.A (Member Of The Bar Association)[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Parties Involved]
Andusre[/spoiler]
We are now having a judicial hearing for Rhyssua to become Chief Justice. Please submit any questions you may have to him. This session will last as soon as all Senators contact me and say that they have no further questions.
Rhyssua
Question to the Associate Justice Rhyssua
Justice, it has come to my attention that the way the High Court handled it's most recent civil case was in a certain way rather "inefficient" (to be more exact, I have a feeling that the case took to long to be solved). I have heard of the news that you may be appointed Chief Justice in the near future following the resignation of your colleague, so I would like to know: Do you think there should be changes to the current way the court is run?
Rhyssua, Titanne
The problem with any changes would be maintaining balance. The case was filled with delays from all parties involved, and refusing those delays would only result in throwing the case out earlier than we did. If I were to change anything, it would be to shorten the timetable and institute a limit on delays.
Absolutely
Cerdenia, Titanne
No further questions, thank you.
Rhyssua
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Aye
Titanne
Aye
Titanne
I am in favour of this. The MP himself has been doing a good job, however this act is being proposed as he announced his intentions of resigning privately, and our party even had a primary for the seat, however he ended up unfortunately never actually resigning publicly. Again, all in favour of this.
Marvinton, Titanne, Fishergate
Aye
Nay
Those elected in the August 2019 Senate Snap election have now been inaugurated.
A Chairman Election must be held before business begins. This will begin if one of two things happen.
1) a majority coalition is formed.
2) if no coalition is formed by the end of the week.
I will run the Chairman Election as it is my duty to do so.
Titanne, Marvinton, Levantx, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Saint Ryvern, Levantx, Marvinton, The Marconian State, Titanne, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
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I announce my candidacy for Senate Chairman
Chairman Election:
As no coalition has been formed, a Chairman Election will now be attempted.
If you wish to stand as candidate please say so below. You have 36 hours to cast your candidacy.
Titanne, Marvinton, Levantx, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Titanne, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I will stand.
It is now my understanding a coalition has been formed between the TPU & Unity. The chairman election will continue as normal.
Levantx, Marvinton, Titanne, Fishergate
I'll run for Senate chairman
Fishergate
It is my understanding no other candidates wish to stand.
Now due to the nature of the coalition. As the only opposition Senator. The Islamic Country Of Honour will become Shadow Chairman once the election concludes.
But as for now, the candidates are:
Please cast your ballots below, voting closes in 24 hours.
Titanne, Marvinton, Levantx, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Levantx, Marvinton, Paropia
Post self-deleted by Marvinton.
I cast my vote for Marvinton
I vote me.
I cast my vote in favour of Titanne
I abstain from voting
Cerdenia
If it is allowed to change, I also change my vote I want to vote for Marvinton than.
In light of the TPU breaking our coalition agreement, I change my vote to an abstention.
Levantx
I would like to withdraw myself from the senate chair election
In light of the TPU breaking our Coalition agreement, I change my vote to abstain.
I ask Rayekka to re-organise the Chairman election due to the fact that circumstances have changed. Naming the coalition which doesn't exist, the withdrawal of Marvinton as only other candidate. The UNI will re-consider naming a new Candidate. A third argument is that many have changed their vote during these elections. Which is a reason to name this round not according to good procedures.
Cerdenia, Titanne, Fishergate, Paropia
I change my vote to abstain
Levantx, Fishergate, Paropia
I, as well, vote abstain, and urge Rayekka to organize Chairman elections in two days time.
Levantx
I am again putting my name forward, unless I hear otherwise from party leaders.
Marvinton
I am willing to run as Candidate for the Chair of the Senate, with the support of The Islamic Country Of Honour as our Coalition partner in the Senate.
Marvinton, Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
The UNI+TPP coalition has agreed to nominate Levantx as the Chairman candidate with me as his Deputy InshaAllah
Levantx, Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Paropia
Chairman Election
Senators, please vote below for either of the follow candidates. Abstentions are accepted.
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (UNI)
Marvinton, Paropia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
You have 24 hours to vote.
Marvinton, Titanne, The Bigtopia, Paropia
The Bigtopia
I cast my vote for Levantx
Fishergate, The Bigtopia
I vote in line with our Coalition agreement with The Islamic Country Of Honour,
Cast my vote in favour of myself as Senate Chair.
Titanne, Fishergate, The Bigtopia
I vote for Titanne
The Bigtopia
I vote for Levantx
Levantx, Fishergate, The Bigtopia
Chairman Election Results:
Levantx has been elected Senate Chairman.
Votes:
Levantx (UNI) - 3 votes
Titanne (TPU) - 2 votes
Therefore the Unity/Thaecian People's Party Coalition control the Senate.
Further appointments:
The Islamic Country Of Honour is Deputy Chairman.
Titanne is Shadow Chairman.
The Senate can now go into session at Chairman Levantx's disgression.
Lemonadia, Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Paropia, Zon Island, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Senate Chair
OPENING STATEMENT FROM THE CHAIR
Dear Senators,
I am because we are, and We are because Citizens are! That is my opening message to you all. I hope that we can have a constructive third session the next four months. the Chair shall stand open for you all in coordinating and helping out in the legislative process.
Order, Order, Order, I hereby Open the Third Session of Senate
Fellow Senators, We start with the Prime Minister's Nomination of Lemonadia as Associate Justice before the High Court. I invite the nominee to attend the debate which shall last 12 hours to respond to possible questions of Senators, while debating the Candidacy.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
Titanne[/spoiler]
The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I ask the Hon. Lemonadia if he plans to become an independent upon his confirmation to the High Court. I would also like to inquire if he intends to coordinate with the other justices on his rulings.
The Bigtopia
I would like to urge Mr. Lemonadia the exact opposite of what the Hon. Senator has just recommended to the nominee. I would like to see Mr. Lemon hold his Party affiliation in the Court.
Senators, it is never written that an Justice elect has to renounce his party affiliation. I also am of the opinion that it is more fairly for Justices to come clean and be honest about their previous party affiliations rather than try to forget about them. It is not that when a justice elect becomes justice his ideas and values will change. Knowing these values is part of the transparency and openness we require from Justices.
That is why I hope that Mr. Lemon will hold on to his Party Affiliation, and will try to be not neutral in his capacity as justice, but Multisided Loyality, meaning he can recognize and understand all forms of opinion and form objective-based conclusions. Because absolute neutrality doesn't exist. You are you, because we are all humans interacting with eachother.
My question, again will you renounce your party affiliation?
The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Absolute neutrality may not exist, but our goal should be to get as close as possible. Of course it was never written that justices must be independent, but for 200 years, it was never written that the president must only hold 2 terms, but yet that definitely was tradition to ensure the safety of the country. It avoided power clumps, it helped separation of powers. It is no different here. In the US Courts, everyones an independent, but we all know that Thomas is conservative, and Sotomayors liberal. But they cannot be a part of party establishment. Its a HUGE conflict of interest. Lemonadia?
The Bigtopia
I believe Mr. Lemonadia can still be a part of a party during his time as an Associate Judge in the High Court. Since the law doesnt bar him from renouncing his party status, he shouldnt be forced to. At the end, he should be left to his own choice and he should do what he thinks would be best for him and the region. I do hope he wont take his party affiliation into consideration when deciding on cases if he decides to retain his party affiliation
Titanne, The Bigtopia
My problem is his leadership role. Surely you see the conflict of interest?
Thank you for hearing me today.
As for party affiliation, I will resign from Unity if and when I join the court. While my opinions and views won't change, my current position as part of Unity's Leadership would be a conflict of interest. While I think it possible to be a member of a party and a fair justice, I personally find it preferable to resign altogether.
As for Titannes second question, I believe that communication and coordination is essential to the success of the Court and I intend to coordinate with the other justics to the best of my ability if confirmed.
Fishergate
Thank you. No further questions, but thats exactly what I wanted to hear. I appreciate the time you took to answer me.
Lemonadia
Titanne, Paropia
Aye
Aye
Abstain
Aye
--- OPENING DEBATE - SCROLL N. 007:
Second Reading S.B.017 Deputy Justice Act - Suggested Amendments by the House
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1252819
I open the floor for senators willing to debate the amendments made by the House on passed S.B.017 named the Deputy Justice Act.
Remember that we will only be voting on the Amendments made in the House by Arirang Hill, not the S.B.017 entirely as the Senate Bill already passed Senate.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
I agree with the misc. amendment, but am not a fan of the first one. The Senate has to have a hand in all court appointees, even deputies, just like the House has a hand in all ministerial appointees.
They were all misc. amendments. Check article 5 dude.
Titanne
xD yup I have no objections then!
Levantx, Paropia
I agree with the Hon. Senator Titanne. I think the amendment is not blocking that.
In article 5 of the original senate bill it is so that the Senate needs to approve every deputy justice in becoming deputy justice. I do not think the Senate needs again a second vote when a deputy justice will become justice in the event of inactivity. The Senate than already has voted him to do that job.
Titanne
Sorry just for clarification: youre saying say you agree with my misunderstanding?
Levantx
Yes, as Paropia has already said. Article 5 already includes nomination procedures.
So actually these amendments are just cosmetic.
If there are no objection, I can close the debating period?
Paropia
CLOSING DEBATE -- VOTING ON S.B.017 AMENDMENTS BY THE HOUSE
I open the floor for senators to vote on the Amendments individually made by the House.
So, please cast a vote on each amendment. Remember we are not voting again on the S.B. only on the amendments.
If the amendments are passed the S.B. will become law. If we reject one or more amendments the Bill will go back to the House.
[Spoiler=SENATORS]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
Aye to both amendments.
Aye to both
Aye
Aye
Aye to both
VOTING RESULTS - DEPUTY JUSTICE ACT AS AMENDED
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FOR: 5
AGAINST: 0
ABSTAIN:
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The Deputy Justice Act As Amended shall enter into law once registered by the Regional Government.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1252819
[Spoiler=Senator]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Executive]
[/spoiler]
Titanne, Paropia
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OPENING DEBATE - Scroll nr. 004
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https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1252802
House proposes amendment to existing L.R.007 AFTED. I have received an already amended Bill which should replace L.R.007.
The Floor is now open to debate the Amended Bill.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
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I would like to sponsor, and ask Fishergate or Rayekka as one of the amending authors to come and introduce (explain) the changes made in this amended version.
I would like this amendment to be written in english....
I have questions to the authors on its clarification
You can ask your question immediately, by tagging the author in your question. The Authors of the Bill are allowed to participate in the debate.
Hey Rayekka? Can you explain what you changed?
Thank you Levantx for inviting me to take part in this debate.
I was approached by United States Of Edingbridge, who wanted me to write an amendment to the AFTED bill that would allow him and Rayekka to adjust the date of the House inauguration by a few days to suit themselves better. This is what the new Article III aims to achieve.
While I was writing that amendment, I decided to also write another couple of amendments to the bill.
One of these removes the old Article II, which was just a sort of utility guide to help explain how the provision of the original bill would be carried out. I felt this was no longer relevant, especially as it included clarification of the next election dates at the time the bill was first written. These dates are now in the past and the elections they refer to have already happened.
The final amendment changes the inauguration date for both the House and the Senate to the 8th day of the month of the election. Originally it was the 4th for the House and the 16th for the Senate. I feel it is better to hold both Congressional elections simultaneously so that coalitions can be agreed across both chambers of Congress, rather than separate deals having to be made for each chamber.
Titanne, I hope I have been able to help you understand what is changed by these amendments.
Levantx
Ok. This new bill procedure is not very good imho... I cant tell whats new and not...
You can open up the original bill from the law registry and compare them side-to-side.
Levantx, Titanne
I am personally in favour of the changes made. I think it is a good thing to align the elections more with each other to simplify.
Are there any other questions from the opposition towards the Bill? Both sides will have the right to be raise their concerns or support.
If no objection I will close the debate, 2 hours from now.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
OPENING VOTING - Scroll nr. 004
-- AFTED ACT - Already Amended by the House
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The Floor is now open to VOTE the Amended Bill.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
Marvinton[/spoiler]
Aye
Nay
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