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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Due to the vote taking a very long time and I would like to move on to other business, I will be ending the vote.
In the question of whether to pass the amendments to L.R. 051, the results are as follows
The ayes are 2, the nays are 3, the abstain are 2. The nays have it and the bill has failed the Senate.
Marvinville
I'll tell you mine. I don't think this institution is essential but it would be good for WA participation. One thing I would like to change is remove the 25% requirement - I think it should be up to the delegate which requirement to set.
[spoiler=Amendment A]Section II - All nations, excluding the Vice Delegate, Prime Minister, and members of the Security Council, must have at least 25% less endorsements than a number of endorsements below the endorsement cap, set by the elected World Assembly Delegate. The endorsement cap may not be lower than 75% of the delegate's endorsements.
I. A nation may be ejected from the region if they surpasses the elected WA Delegate in endorsements or is within the 25% threshold of endorsements enacted by this Act the endorsement cap.
II. The Vice Delegate and members of the Security Council shall not surpass the amount of endorsements of the elected World Assembly Delegate but may reach within the 25% threshold of endorsements enacted by this Act shall have a higher endorsement cap, also set by the delegate.[/spoiler]
I support amendment A
I have made an author amendment to the bill
I. Once a Security Councilor is confirmed by the House of Commons, they shall serve on the Council until they resign, cease to exist, lose citizenship, are disqualified from office, or are removed from office.
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
I will now be ending the amendment vote.
On the question of if Amendment A should be added to the bill, the votes are as follows:
The ayes are 6, the abstains are 1. Therefore, the amendment has passed.
However, there is some concern about the bill, so will be starting a second debate period. If you would like to post your thoughts, be sure to do so.
[spoiler=Senators]
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I am proposing another amendment
[spoiler=Amendment C]
Remove Article III and Article IV from the Act
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What's the reasoning behind this?
I realized that the constitutional amendment doesnt actually really do anything. Whatever is in the bill won't need a constitutional amendment
Solittus
Aye
Aye - I see no reason to object
aye
Aye
Aye.
Aye
Aye
Aye.
Aye
yes
Aye
Marvinville
The vote has now ended. For the question of whether to pass the bill, the results are as follows:
7 ayes, 0 nays. The bill has passed the Senate.
I would like to motion for unanimous Consent to pass the following bill:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1717469
I would also like to open debate on the following bill which has previously failed a UC motion:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1715984
Be sure to look over the bill and voice your opinions on it!
[spoiler=Senators]
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I acknowledge the motion
Object, deserves proper debate
Brototh, Toerana V, The Ambis
I am happy with the Leave of Absence Act, as amended, and I agree that it will be a helpful addition for Congress. I will be voting in favour.
Marvinville
Aye!
Aye
Aye
aye
Aye
I just realized I didn't vote in the original post.
My vote is aye
The vote has ended. On the question of whether to pass the Leave of Absence Act, the ayes are 6, the nays are 0, and the abstains are 1. The bill bas passed both the House and Senate and is now waiting to be signed into law.
Our next order of business is the following bill:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1710677
I ask that all senators read the bill and provide their thoughts on the Senate RMB.
Alongside that, I would like to motion for Unanimous Consent to pass the following bill:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1721165
[spoiler=Senators]Marvinville
Saltmore[/spoiler]
I acknowledge the motion.
I acknowledge the motion.
I will give my thoughts on the bill we're debating later.
finally, a UC that isn't a huge bill. I acknowledge the motion
I don't see the point of this bill. Seeing as Ministers are confirmed by the Senate, why should a 2/3rds majority in both chambers be required to remove them? The recall process in its current state is satisfactory.
I acknowledge the motion.
I object
I believe that Minister removal process should be similar to that of the EC and Justice. Both the EC and Justice require approval from the House, but neither can be removed from their office from the House alone. I think that this is a simple change that will help the Congressional removal power be similar for that for all appointed offices.
Nay
Aye
Nay
Nay
On the question of whether to pass the Minister Removal Act, the votes are as follows:
The ayes are 1, the nays are 3, and the abstains are 1. Therefore, the bill has failed the Senate.
We will now begin debating a bill that was recently passed by the House:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1744434
I ask all Senators to voice their thoughts on the RMB.
[spoiler=Senators]Marvinville
Saltmore[/spoiler]
Brototh
Good author
Solittus
I very much approve on this bill, it's certainly a necessary addition to law.
Brototh
Aye
Aye.
Aye
I vote Aye to the bill.
I would also like to motion for unanimous Consent to pass the following Constitutional Amendment:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1694923
I acknowledge the motion
I acknowledge the motion
I object to the motion
Aye
No business? Megamind meme
Snowflame, Marvinville, The Ambis
We will now begin our next order of business. As this bill has previously failed a motion of unanimous Consent, I will be putting it up for debate:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1721165
I encourage all senators to post their thoughts on the RMB!
[spoiler=Senators]Marvinville
Saltmore[/spoiler]
I will be voting in favour. This is a common sense amendment.
Aye.
Aye
Aye
Nay
Aye
Voting has now ended. On the question of whether to pass the Reform Act, the votes are as follows. The ayes are 5, the nays are 1, and the abstains are 1. The bill has passed both chambers of Congress.
Brototh
We have begun our next order of business which involves amendments to LR. 035: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1742449
I encourage all Senators to read the bill and discuss it.
Note: The author, Toerana V, noticed something about the bill and will be posting amendments for it.
[spoiler=Senators]Marvinville
Saltmore[/spoiler]
Toerana V
Thank you. All this amendment does is make this bill do something, as it is intended as an amendment to existing legislation but lacks a functional clause to make it do that.
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Delete Articles I, II and III
Creates Article I:
Article I
Section I - Replaces the entirety of L.R.035 with the following text:
Article I - Rules
Presiding Authority
[list][*]Section I - The Prime Minister or their designee is required to maintain an easily accessible set of rules for Thaecia's Regional Message Board. This is to be shared will all new nations;
[list][*]Sub-section I - These rules must ensure the rights of the citizen under the Constitution of Thaecia are upheld.
[/list][/list]
Mandatory Rules
[list][*]Section II - The following rules must be included in the rules maintained by the Prime Minister;
[list][*]Sub-section I - Any content in violation of site rules.
[*]Sub-section II - Content that is gory, obscene or vividly sexual, or otherwise PEGI 18.
[*]Sub-section III - Content intended to offend people on the basis of their ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or religious affiliation.
[/list]
[/list]
Article II - Suppression and Ejection
[list][*]Section I - A Regional Moderator may use suppression as they see fit to enforce the rules maintained by the Prime Minister or their designee;
[list][*]Sub-section I - This may include the use of blanket suppression, in a scenario where a Regional Moderator believes the behaviour of the suppressed individual in question warrants blanket suppression.[/list]
[*]Section II - Ejections or Bans from the region may only be used to enforce the rules in the following circumstances;
[list][*]Sub-section I - The individual has been issued a permanent ban from the regional discord server.
[*]Sub-section II - The individual has broken any of the rules explicitly stated within Article I, Section II.
[*]Sub-section III - The High Court has ruled that the nation is to be ejected and/or banned from the region for their conduct on the Regional Message Board.
[/list]
[*]Section III - Ejections, Bans or Suppressions may be subject to appeal;
[list][*]Sub-Section I - In the event where the individual appealing is subject to suppression only, they may submit a request the Prime Minister to review the ruling of the Regional Moderator. The Prime Minister may reaffirm or overturn the ruling made.
[*]Sub-Section II - In the event where the citizen appealing is subject to a ban for the reasons defined in Article II, Section II, Sub-sections II & III, their appeal must be to the High Court. The High Court may overturn the ban, choose to amend its length, or reaffirm the original ruling.
[*]Sub-section III - In the event where the individual appealing is subject to a ban for the reason defined in Article II, Section II, Sub-section I, their appeal must be to the relevant moderating authority of the Regional Discord.
[/list]
[/list]
Article III - Definitions
[list][*]The "Regional Discord" is defined as the discord server with the ID 537409732701585418.
[*]A "Regional Moderator" is defined as a Regional Officer with Communications permissions or Border Control Authority.
[/list]
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I'll answer any questions about this bill you may have. Ta
As there seems to be no debate. I will now open the vote for the amendment:
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Delete Articles I, II and III
Creates Article I:
Article I
Section I - Replaces the entirety of L.R.035 with the following text:
Article I - Rules
Presiding Authority
[list][*]Section I - The Prime Minister or their designee is required to maintain an easily accessible set of rules for Thaecia's Regional Message Board. This is to be shared will all new nations;
[list][*]Sub-section I - These rules must ensure the rights of the citizen under the Constitution of Thaecia are upheld.
[/list][/list]
Mandatory Rules
[list][*]Section II - The following rules must be included in the rules maintained by the Prime Minister;
[list][*]Sub-section I - Any content in violation of site rules.
[*]Sub-section II - Content that is gory, obscene or vividly sexual, or otherwise PEGI 18.
[*]Sub-section III - Content intended to offend people on the basis of their ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or religious affiliation.
[/list]
[/list]
Article II - Suppression and Ejection
[list][*]Section I - A Regional Moderator may use suppression as they see fit to enforce the rules maintained by the Prime Minister or their designee;
[list][*]Sub-section I - This may include the use of blanket suppression, in a scenario where a Regional Moderator believes the behaviour of the suppressed individual in question warrants blanket suppression.[/list]
[*]Section II - Ejections or Bans from the region may only be used to enforce the rules in the following circumstances;
[list][*]Sub-section I - The individual has been issued a permanent ban from the regional discord server.
[*]Sub-section II - The individual has broken any of the rules explicitly stated within Article I, Section II.
[*]Sub-section III - The High Court has ruled that the nation is to be ejected and/or banned from the region for their conduct on the Regional Message Board.
[/list]
[*]Section III - Ejections, Bans or Suppressions may be subject to appeal;
[list][*]Sub-Section I - In the event where the individual appealing is subject to suppression only, they may submit a request the Prime Minister to review the ruling of the Regional Moderator. The Prime Minister may reaffirm or overturn the ruling made.
[*]Sub-Section II - In the event where the citizen appealing is subject to a ban for the reasons defined in Article II, Section II, Sub-sections II & III, their appeal must be to the High Court. The High Court may overturn the ban, choose to amend its length, or reaffirm the original ruling.
[*]Sub-section III - In the event where the individual appealing is subject to a ban for the reason defined in Article II, Section II, Sub-section I, their appeal must be to the relevant moderating authority of the Regional Discord.
[/list]
[/list]
Article III - Definitions
[list][*]The "Regional Discord" is defined as the discord server with the ID 537409732701585418.
[*]A "Regional Moderator" is defined as a Regional Officer with Communications permissions or Border Control Authority.
[/list]
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I will be voting aye
[spoiler=Senators]Marvinville
Saltmore[/spoiler]
Toerana V
Aye
Toerana V
It makes sense,
Aye
Toerana V
Aye
Toerana V
aye
Toerana V
Nay
The amendment has passed. We are now voting on the bill as amended:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1760566
My vote is Aye
[spoiler=Senators]
Solittus[/spoiler]
P.S. Let me know if I did anything wrong; this is my first time posting an amended bill, so it's very possible I've formatted it incorrectly.
Aye
I will be voting nay
Nay
I will be voting Nay
aye
I will be switching my vote to nay
As over a day has passed, the vote has now ended. On the question of whether to pass the bill, the results are as follows:
The ayes are 2, the nays are 4, the abstains are 1. The bill has failed to pass the Senate.
Marvinville
051.14.3
"As soon as a business is available it must be put to the floor within 2 days"
Brototh
Sub-section IV - If an incumbent official wins a recall election, no recall petition may be presented against them for the next 14 days.
I see the logic in this, but why 14 days? that feels like a short period of time to be protected against further recalls. If a recall fails, unless I'm mistaken it means another attempt can be made 2 weeks later, and again and again. If I am mistaken please clarify for me. As it stands I will be voting Nay, but if clarification is provided I will consider changing my stance.
Snowflame
Author amendment:
Sub-section IV - If an incumbent official wins a recall election, no recall petition may be presented against them for the next 28 days.
Following the amendment I am happy to change my stance to Aye.
Thanks for chatting with me about this Marv and for taking my suggestion on board.
Marvinville
Aye
Aye
aye
For clarification I have voted Aye xD
Snowflame
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