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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Aye to the bill but not the amendment.
Levantx, The Bigtopia
Aye to the Bill and Abstain on the Amendment
The Bigtopia
Aye to the Bill. Nay to the amendment. I agree with Bigtopia that it would be to easy to influence.
The Bigtopia
Aye to the bill and nay to the amendment
The Bigtopia
VOTING END
The period of voting is over.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273452
[spoiler=Congressional Investigation Act]
Ayes:
Did not vote:
Antenion[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Nays:
Ayes:
Abstentions:
Did not vote:
Antenion[/spoiler]
This bill passes but the Amendment fails
[spoiler=PM]Rayekka[/spoiler]
This bill has now passed through the HoC and the Senate and now waits to be signed into law or vetoed.
Levantx, Rayekka, Asean Nations
We will move on to the next piece of legislation shortly
Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour
OPENING DEBATE: AMENDMENTS TO LR 008
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273455
Senators, the floor is now open for debate, which will last two days.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Antenion, Asean Nations
My Fellow Senators, I apologize for my Recent Inactivity, I have no access to any technological device because mt parents are crappy
Brototh, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations
I think that the amendments are sound and ought to be passed. I see no issues in them.
Levantx, Asean Nations
I agree with the Chairman on this matter
Levantx
I also have no objections regarding the tabled law and await the passage of this law through the Senate
Levantx, Asean Nations
I also have no objections
I request the Chairman to check if there is unanimous consent to the bill. If there is, we can close the debate and the vote and pass it. This will save time, allowing us to focus on other legislations.
Asean Nations
I'm assuming no objections as Senators have had two days to speak up.
Asean Nations
OPENING VOTE: AMENDMENTS TO LR 008
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273455
I invite all Senators to cast their votes on this legislation
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
I vote aye to all amendments
The Islamic Country Of Honour
Aye to amendments A,B,C,D,E,G nay to amendment F
I vote Aye to all Amendments
The Bigtopia
I vote aye to all amendments
Indian Genius, The Bigtopia
I vote Aye to all amendments.
The Islamic Country Of Honour
Aye to all amendments
The Bigtopia
Aye to all Amendments
The Bigtopia
ENDING VOTE - Amendments to LR 008
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273455
[spoiler=AMENDMENT A]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT B]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT C]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT D]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT E]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT F]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia
Nays: Catlin[/spoiler]
[spoiler=AMENDMENT G]
Ayes: Asean Nations, Catlin, Antenion, Indian Genius, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Cydoni, The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Senators, we will begin debate on the next bill shortly.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
[spoiler=PM]Rayekka[/spoiler]
These amendments have now passed through both houses and await to be signed into law or vetoed.
OPENING DEBATE - Amendments to Parliament Procedures
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273456
Senators, I open the floor to debate on these amendments, which shall last for at least two days
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
The Islamic Country Of Honour
Personally, I don't find anything wrong
Indian Genius, The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I also don't find anything wrong.
I would like to propose two Amendments:
[spoiler=Amendment I] i) The Deputy Speaker position will be filled in all situations
ii) The Deputy Chairman will be appointed by the Speaker and can be any MP from any party, excluding the Speaker.
iii) Deputy Chairmen can take over the Speaker's role if given direct permission from the Speaker. In the event this happens Deputy Chairmen may exercise the rights set out for the Speaker in Article IV. These powers are removed from the Deputy Chairman upon the Chairman's return.
iv) Shall the Speaker be inactive for longer then 2 days with the House not adjourned or in recess the Deputy Chairman shall take over his attributions until either the Speaker returns or a motion of no confidence is voted against that Speaker.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment II] i) The Shadow Chairman is a formal position held by the Opposition Leader in the House of Commons
ii) The Shadow Speaker can also be Deputy Chairman[/spoiler]
Basically, I want this bill/amendment be stretched to the Senate too
I'm sorry, but this law is 'parliamentary procedures' and not 'congressional procedures', this bill is talking about the HoC only. There is a separate law you can amend to do this; the Senate Procedures act.
Fishergate, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Ok, I should have understood that. I take back the amendments.
The Bigtopia
I don't find any problems with the bill either
Sorry to interrupt u, my fellow Senators, but I would like to inform u guys about something. Honourable Minister of Foreign Affairs Levantx is planning to start peace talks with the regions, Southfield and Enadia. Taking this into consideration, I would like to call a Ministerial Hearing regarding it. Calling a Ministerial Hearing will help us in knowing the exact details of the plan and as the Senate takes the call on the treaties, I believe a Ministerial Hearing should be called.
Levantx, Snowflame, Titanne, Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Catlin, Asean Nations
OPENING VOTE - Amendments to Parliament Procedures
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1273456
I invite all senators to cast their votes on these amendments, which shall last for two days
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
I vote aye to all amendments.
aye to all!
Aye to all
Aye to all Amendments
Aye to all amendments
Aye to all
Aye to all
Post self-deleted by The Islamic Country Of Honour.
VOTING END
All Amendments pass and these amendments now await PM Rayekka's decision
Senators, we have now gotten through all of the backed up House bills! We'll begin debate on a new bill soon.
Asean Nations
HEARING: FAM Levantx
All Senators are asked to pose any questions they might have for the FAM regarding his term thus far.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Snowflame, Asean Nations, Zon Island, Al0Neforever
Thank you Mr. Chair
I am hear to answer any of your question about the ongoing of my Ministry. As the Constitution clearly defines that it is the Senate who should decide and ratify on Treaties and agreements made between our region and others.
You have the power of oversight, it is up to the senate to control me. I am offering my cooperation in that vital part of democracy.
I want to start with clarification. There have been plans between my administration and Southfield and Enadia to sign a peace accord. Following my press statement on planning to negotiate peace between said regions. One of our partner regions have closed embassies with us.
Now I am here today before you. I ask you to give me a mandate to persuit talks with both Southfield and Enadia. I ask your approval and later on the ratification of these peace accords.
I am here to answer your question, on why peace is important, and why we should not back down because other regions demand us to back down.
I thank you for your attention
Marvinton, Indian Genius, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Al0Neforever
I have no problem with the peace accord, Levantx
Levantx
Is making 'peace' with Enadia and Southfield worth it at all? Such peace is really just ceremonial. I don't consider the gesture of peace toward them worth losing good embassy regions. Considering that Enadia is widely disliked, it really isn't necessary to extend peace to them.
FAM Levantx
Levantx, Asean Nations, Al0Neforever
I agree with your analysis and I also believe that the peace accord is not worth the lose of embassies with Gay. However the principle of having a credible and strong foreign affairs policy is that we cannot be blackmailed by other regions in changing our foreign policy.
Yes, senators, I believe that it is just that what the region of Gay has done. They have publicly corner us and have left us with a simple choice either One way or the other, with no room of talks between us and them.
Senators, if Gay have had in private contacted me and explained that the situation is a red line for them. I would have backed down.
Publicly stating that Thaecia should close its efforts for peace, and giving us an ultimatum of e days to fix the situation. That is not the way to conduct Diplomacy with a partner. I have explained to the Gay Foreign affairs Minister that we will not be forced to make decision on the bases of a foreign region, but that we decide on our policies based on our own interest and regional procedures.
They have clearly used the ultimatum to force our hand. My intention was to uphold the credibility of our Foreign Affairs, and to show others that Thaecia is a strong and independent region.
Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island, Al0Neforever
Levantx Isolationism or globalism
Levantx
I am a Minister of the executive branch of our region. I do not decide on Foreign Dicours, you Senator do decide whether our region should persuit Globalistic or Islationalistic discours.
I am myself a personal believer of a global progressive approach. I shall advice the Senate in that capacity. However I will executive as you will legislate.
Marvinton, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations
Thank you for your explanation; I have no further questions.
Levantx, Asean Nations
I prefer Globalism.
Levantx
Mr. Chair The Bigtopia
I would like to have a symbolic vote of confidence or a mandate to continue my efforts to deliver those peace deals.
When I have reached an agreement after you give me a mandate. I will be back to ask the Senate to vote on the Peace Accords.
For now I would like to ask a vote to give me the permission to move on or not.
Fishergate, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island
OPENING VOTE - FAM Policy
All Senators are asked to cast their vote on whether FAM Levantx can move forward with his new policies or not
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Fishergate, Asean Nations, Zon Island, Deppendants
I vote aye.
Deppendants
I vote aye
The Bigtopia, Deppendants
Aye
The Bigtopia, Deppendants
Deppendants
Aye
The Bigtopia, Deppendants
Aye
The Bigtopia, Deppendants
Aye
The Bigtopia, Deppendants
Voting Closed - FAM Policy
Ayes: Cydoni, Asean Nations, Indian Genius, The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Catlin
Did not vote: Antenion
We will begin debate on the next bill soon
Levantx, Indian Genius, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour
When are we going to start the next Debate, Mr. Chairman? It has been 24 hours since the last action of the Senate.
Marvinton, Fishergate
Opening Debate: Constitutional amendment - Early Elections
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=senate_chair/detail=factbook/id=1279014
Senators, the floor is now open to debate
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Catlin, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour
There is nothing wrong with this Constitutional Amendment in fact it's a good idea. This amendment will prevent what happend to the Senate last section.
Levantx, The Bigtopia
sorry for the double post, I vote aye
Sorry to interrupt, my fellow Senators, but I would like to inform the Senate of the Courts ruling on C.R 004. Before the verdict, there were controversies regarding Senator Cydonis membership as he left the region in the middle. This verdict clears the confusion and as he returned before the WA update, his membership is safe and so he can continue in his post by the grace of God!
Marvinton, Indian Genius, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations
Very good.
I also think it's a good idea. I vote Aye
We aren't voting just yet, but noted in case you aren't around for the voting
I also don't see any problem with this bill
Levantx, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour
OPENING VOTE: Constitutional Amendment - Early Elections
All Senators are asked to cast their votes
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=senate_chair/detail=factbook/id=1279014
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx
Aye
The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Aye
The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Aye
The Bigtopia
Aye
Aye
The Bigtopia
CLOSING VOTE - Const. Amendment Early Elections
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=senate_chair/detail=factbook/id=1279014
[spoiler=RESULTS]
Ayes: (5)Indian Genius, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour, The Bigtopia, Cydoni
Did not vote: (2): Antenion, Catlin[/spoiler]
This amendment passes and now awaits the attention of the House
Asean Nations
Senate Treaty Ratification - Southfield Peace Accord
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=levantx/detail=factbook/id=1288458
All Senators may debate this treaty.
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Asean Nations
Theres nothing wrong in the bill so I am in favour of it.
Asean Nations
For all clarification, this is the motion debated and voted on. Because I want it to be recorded in the Senate library.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1292318
Asean Nations
Ah, didn't see that. Got it
Levantx
UPDATE FROM SOUTHFIELD
Official referendum results are in:
Thaecia-Southfield Peace Accords Vote:
Yes: 83.3%
No: 17%
*These results have been certified by the Constitutional Court. Should you wish to contest the results, you must lodge an appeal within 5 days*
The Southfieldiam people voted to pass the accords!
I suggest the senate also moves on the ratify the Accords
The Bigtopia, Asean Nations
From your previous hearing and from the absence of opposition to this action, the Debate period is over.
Asean Nations
OPENING VOTE - SOUTHFIELD PEACE ACCORDS RATIFICATION
All Senators are asked to place their vote on ratifying the Southfield Peace Accords.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1292318
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Levantx, Asean Nations
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye.
VOTING CLOSED: SOUTHFIELD PEACE ACCORDS RATIFICATION
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1292318
[spoiler=RESULTS]
Ayes: (5)Indian Genius, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour, The Bigtopia, Catlin
Did not vote: (2): Antenion, Indian Genius, Cydoni[/spoiler]
[spoiler=FAM]Levantx[/spoiler]
The Peace Accords are now ratified
Levantx, Asean Nations
OPENING DEBATE - MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE AMENDMENT
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cerdenia/detail=factbook/id=1284414
Senators, the floor is now open for debate
[spoiler=SENATORS]
The Bigtopia[/spoiler]
Cerdenia, Asean Nations
I support this bill
My only concern is the capped-days 30 and 60 respectively on the House and Senate, and this restriction kinda defeat the purpose of
Sub-section I - a constructive vote of no confidence can also be used in the event that a coalition (change) is found to replace a ruling coalition which has lost the majority in congress
Marvinton, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I share the same concern as ASEAN Nations
Marvinton, Asean Nations
We considered changing it, however no MP could come up with any amendment which would fix the problem, therefore the overwhelming majority of the House of Commons came to the conclusion the current version of the amendment is the best way foward. Plus it's not really a new system, my amendment doesn't create that cap, the cap is already in the current constitution.
The Bigtopia, Asean Nations
Post self-deleted by The Islamic Country Of Honour.
Doesn't look reasonable. The opposition could push foward multiple motions of no confidence to confuse other legislators and obstruct government business. Poor solution.
The Bigtopia
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Marvinton, Titanne, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Post self-deleted by The Islamic Country Of Honour.
I would like to call for an Amendment to Amendment II. I would like to remove this following part from the Section IV "A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 60 days for the Senate, and one every 30 days for the House of Commons and have it replaced by this A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 30 days for the Senate, and one every 15 days for the House of Commons
Sorry Cerdenia, I agree we should have contemplated even more before proposing it. The decision was taken in a haste and so it didnt meet your expectation. I will take special care to ensure that great solutions are provided from now on. Btw I commend ur decision to point our mistake out! Criticisms like this help in letting us know where we are lacking and where work should be done. Thank you!
The Bigtopia
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079
I would like to propose a Amendment to Amendment II
Marvinton
I'd be in support of this.
I am also in support
The Bigtopia
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