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I am switching my vote to Nay, this matter was brought up within our HoC coalition chat, and my fellow opposition Senator Naval makes a good point about it.

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, The Naval Federation, Orangemain

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING ON S.B. 19

[spoiler=SENATORS]

The Naval Federation

Duras

Marvinton

Titanne

Cerdenia

[/spoiler]

Since there has been very little debate on this bill, no interest in amendments shown, and every Senator has been active since opening of debate, I have decided to open voting early. I will update the standings as votes come in.

AYES- Titanne

NAYS-

ABSTAINS-

AYE

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING ON S.B. 19

[spoiler=SENATORS]

The Naval Federation

Duras

Marvinton

Titanne

Cerdenia

[/spoiler]

Since there has been very little debate on this bill, no interest in amendments shown, and every Senator has been active since opening of debate, I have decided to open voting early. I will update the standings as votes come in.

AYES- Titanne

NAYS-

ABSTAINS-

Aye

Titanne, Titannea

S.B. 19: RMB CODE OF CONDUCT HAS PASSED, WITH 3 AYES AND 2 NAYS

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

The Naval Federation

Marvinton

Duras[/spoiler]

I will now be sending the bill along to Fishergate so that the House may vote on the bill. Thank you to all senators who have participated in debate. We will now be taking a brief recess so that I may organize documents and let the house catch up to us. I apologize if this inconveniences anyone. We will begin action again on the 26th for the ministerial hearing of Justice Minister Broustan.

Levantx, Marvinton, Duras

Titanne as regular senator: Cerdenia this bill has already passed you should close the voting already.

Titanne as Chairman: We will now be taking a brief recess...

The consistency of the Chairman truly surprises me. Got mad at me for not rushing bills and now it appears he is doing the same xD

Titanne

Cerdenia wrote:Titanne as regular senator: Cerdenia this bill has already passed you should close the voting already.

Titanne as Chairman: We will now be taking a brief recess...

The consistency of the Chairman truly surprises me. Got mad at me for not rushing bills and now it appears he is doing the same xD

I’m sorry... XD. I wasn’t aware of just how far behind the House was.

Cerdenia, Duras

Dear colleagues, due to real life situations, I will not be active for 4 days. Thank you!

The Naval Federation, Titannea

Duras wrote:Dear colleagues, due to real life situations, I will not be active for 4 days. Thank you!

Thank you for letting us know. Senators, may I remind you to please ping me in your votes and announcements.

Duras

I hereby call the Senate back to order. Today we will be having a hearing for Justice Minister Broustan. Senators, this is sort of a general q/a session, required by law by L.R. 003. Tomorrow we will begin action again by beginning debate on S.B. 020.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

The Naval Federation

Marvinton

Duras[/spoiler]

Duras

Broustan, who do you plan to recruit for the JM as your deputy?

Broustan, it could be argued that your predecessor did nothing as JM. Obviously you hope to improve on that. What projects or ideas do you have in the works?

Broustan, I have one last question. You are to act as the government’s lawyer. Do you have the knowledge to do this?

Duras

Minister my question is rather simple are you committed as you told the members of the House of Commons to the principle of innocent until proven guilty and due process of law?

Broustan

(Sorry I need to add this reminder, Broustan has already been confirmed, this is not a confirmation hearing)

Titannea wrote:Broustan, who do you plan to recruit for the JM as your deputy?

Broustan, it could be argued that your predecessor did nothing as JM. Obviously you hope to improve on that. What projects or ideas do you have in the works?

Broustan, I have one last question. You are to act as the government’s lawyer. Do you have the knowledge to do this?

1) As of right now I have no plans to hire a deputy.

2) I've yet to bring this to the Justices, but one thing I'm hoping to bring to the region are more rp type cases. Kinda like that one bill TMS proposed a long time ago, the one about yogurt consistency. Or perhaps "broader disputes", things of that nature.

3) Well I'm not sure what you're looking for in this question, I've read up on the way I'm intended to act as JM (as outlined by our CJ). Perhaps you could rephrase that?

Titanne

The Naval Federation wrote:Minister my question is rather simple are you committed as you told the members of the House of Commons to the principle of innocent until proven guilty and due process of law?

Broustan

Yes Senator Naval, my awnser has not changed based on the house in which I give it.

Broustan wrote:1) As of right now I have no plans to hire a deputy.

2) I've yet to bring this to the Justices, but one thing I'm hoping to bring to the region are more rp type cases. Kinda like that one bill TMS proposed a long time ago, the one about yogurt consistency. Or perhaps "broader disputes", things of that nature.

3) Well I'm not sure what you're looking for in this question, I've read up on the way I'm intended to act as JM (as outlined by our CJ). Perhaps you could rephrase that?

I mean do you have the knowledge, in your opinion to prosecute and/or defend for the government

Broustan

No questions to the JM on my part, I believe most important stuff has already been adressed since his nomination, just wish him luck and hope our Justice Ministry improves.

Titanne, Broustan

I have no questions for the JM

Titanne, Broustan

Alright, when Broustan answers my question we will move on.

Broustan

Titanne wrote:

I mean do you have the knowledge, in your opinion to prosecute and/or defend for the government

Yes I believe so

Titanne

Broustan wrote:Yes I believe so

Excellent.

Hello all Senators, I’m sorry for the delay, but we are now back in business.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

Marvinton, Duras

Oh debate will last two days.

Duras

This bill is completely unnecessary, heck here in the Senate or House of Commons the Chairman and Speaker take care of factbooks, and things are a lot more active around here. I am absolutely sure the justices will be able to take care of the factbooks, considering court cases aren't as frequent as bills at all.

Cerdenia wrote:This bill is completely unnecessary, heck here in the Senate or House of Commons the Chairman and Speaker take care of factbooks, and things are a lot more active around here. I am absolutely sure the justices will be able to take care of the factbooks, considering court cases aren't as frequent as bills at all.

But wouldn’t you say that this bill would be a good way to get more people involved and trained? I’d say so. It also eliminates the possibility of a lazy ruling or incomplete explanations, as the Justices aren’t the ones recording. And yes, here in the Senate, we handle all our own documents, but in real life courts with less judges they have a stenographer. That translates into NS, so this bill aleviates pressure, eliminates sloppiness, and trains a new generation.

Titannea wrote:But wouldn’t you say that this bill would be a good way to get more people involved and trained? I’d say so. It also eliminates the possibility of a lazy ruling or incomplete explanations, as the Justices aren’t the ones recording. And yes, here in the Senate, we handle all our own documents, but in real life courts with less judges they have a stenographer. That translates into NS, so this bill aleviates pressure, eliminates sloppiness, and trains a new generation.

Making factbooks is easy, there is no need for "training". Justices don't have to update this stuff very frequently because there aren't many cases, shouldn't be any "laziness". This isn't real life so the comparison is irrelevant. Geez we need to stop wanting to create positions simply for creating positions.

Titannea

Cerdenia wrote:Making factbooks is easy, there is no need for "training". Justices don't have to update this stuff very frequently because there aren't many cases, shouldn't be any "laziness". This isn't real life so the comparison is irrelevant. Geez we need to stop wanting to create positions simply for creating positions.

Not my point. Justice positions are going to turn over, you aren’t concerned about running the talent pool dry? We’re actually losing population.

Titannea wrote:Not my point. Justice positions are going to turn over, you aren’t concerned about running the talent pool dry? We’re actually losing population.

Everyone is losing population, we are in the middle of NS summer slump, I am not concerned.

Titannea

Cerdenia wrote:Everyone is losing population, we are in the middle of NS summer slump, I am not concerned.

Well I am. And why not, is my question? I want a concrete reason, not an excuse.

Titannea wrote:Well I am. And why not, is my question? I want a concrete reason, not an excuse.

I already said why, it's called "summer slump", it's when it's Summer in the Northern Hemisphere and a bunch of people are on vacations (traveling, etc), meaning they are lesd active in NS and many nations cte.

Marvinton

Cerdenia wrote:I already said why, it's called "summer slump", it's when it's Summer in the Northern Hemisphere and a bunch of people are on vacations (traveling, etc), meaning they are lesd active in NS and many nations cte.

While that may be true, almost all of our loss cane recently, when nations would have started to CTE before summer began. Trust me, I live in the US.

Titanne wrote:While that may be true, almost all of our loss cane recently, when nations would have started to CTE before summer began. Trust me, I live in the US.

That makes no sense sir, nations take 28 days to cte. Either way it's irrelevant to the current bill, which is still bad.

Marvinton, Titanne

Cerdenia wrote:That makes no sense sir, nations take 28 days to cte. Either way it's irrelevant to the current bill, which is still bad.

Vote what you want then. I’m just saying is it really that bad to train new people?

Titanne wrote:Vote what you want then. I’m just saying is it really that bad to train new people?

This is no training, it's the creation of an unnecessary position just for the sake of it.

Marvinton

I do not support this current bill that we are debating here in the senate.

Cerdenia, Titanne

ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

AYES- Titanne, Duras

NAYS- Marvinton, Cerdenia, The Naval Federation

ABSTAIN-

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

AYES- Titanne

NAYS-

ABSTAIN-

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

AYE

Titanne

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

AYES- Titanne

NAYS-

ABSTAIN-

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

Nay

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, The Naval Federation, Titanne

Nay

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, The Naval Federation, Marvinton, Titanne

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

AYES- Titanne, Duras

NAYS- Marvinton

ABSTAIN-

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

Nay

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, Titanne

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF VOTING FOR S.B. 20

Judicial Secretary Act - S.B. 020

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article 1]There shall henceforth be created a position known as Judicial Secretary. The nation that holds this position should be appointed by the Head Justice and confirmed by the Senate. The nation who holds the title should install a puppet nation in The High Court, which should be given puppet authority.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 2]The Judicial Secretary shall perform the following tasks:

1. Record in a factbook each court case, including arguments, witnesses, and rulings.

2. Create a factbook with a detailed record of the Justice’s votes.

3. Create a “master” factbook that contains links to all of the aforementioned.

4. Be present at as many court cases as possible.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 3]The Judicial Secretary can be dismissed by either the Chief Justice or the Associate Justices by a simple vote. Any senator can demand a vote on the Judicial Secretary’s replacement[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article 4]This bill will be enacted 1 week after it’s passing, so that the Justices may select an exceptional candidate.[/spoiler]

AYES- Titanne, Duras

NAYS- Marvinton

ABSTAIN-

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

The bill has failed. We will now move on to a house bill.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR S.B. 11 AMENDMENTS

Thaecia Government Petitioning System Bill (S.B. 011)

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=PREAMBLE]

This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

a.) Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

a.i) This petition shall be in the form of a question

a.ii) This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

a.iii) This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

a.iv) This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

b.) Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

b.i) The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

b.ii) The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT II]

1. This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

a.) Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

a.i) If said petition has reached 20 signatures

a.ii) If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT III]

1. This bill requires the Prime Minister:

a.) To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

a.i) This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS]

The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article II Section 3 to read as follows:

The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate reserve the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Speaker/Chairman may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article II Section 2 of this law.

Amend Article III Section 3 to read as follows:

The Prime Minister of Thaecia reserves the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Prime Minister may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article III Section 2 of this law.

Amendment B

The Marconian State and Fishergate

Strike out Article I Section 1a.i

Amend Article II Section 1a to read as follows:

Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the issue raised by a petition,

Amendment C

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section 1a.ii to read as follows:

This petition shall be clearly addressed to either or both chambers of Congress, or to the Prime Minister, or to any combination of the above.

Add Article II Section 1a.iii to read as follows:

If said petition is addressed to the relevant chamber of Congress

Amend Article III Section 1a to read as follows:

To issue a government response to any petition addressed to the Prime Minister that reaches 10 signatures

Amendment D

Fishergate

Reformatting of the bill (see above example of bill formatting)[/spoiler]

[spoiler=SENATORS]Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

As the author of the bill Albianis shall be allowed to participate in debate.

All amendments look fine for me, don't see any problems with them, plan to cast my vote in favour of all.

Titanne

I like the idea of this bill. The amendments are ok for me too.

Fishergate and The Marconian State may participate in debate, as they authored the bill’s amendments.

Thank you Mr Chairman.

The first amendment aims to remove the influence of the President in determining whether or not the Speaker/Chairman may reject a petition. The House believed it is better to reserve this right to the Speaker/Chairman and to allow challenges to be made against them if they are perceived to be misusing this power.

The second amendment simply removes the requirement for a petition to be in the form of a question. The House believed this was an unnecessary requirement and that a petition formed as a statement or a demand can be just as effective.

The third amendment aims to clarify the differences between petitions directed at the executive and those directed at Congress. The House believed the original bill did not stipulate clearly between the two, so the amendment aims to rectify this. Note that the amendment allows for petitions to be addressed to both Congress and the Prime Minister if the author so desires.

The fourth amendment is just to make the bill easier to work with, so it is easier to refer to specific sections when debating the bill.

I hope Senators will agree with the changes suggested by the House and will apply them to the bill forthright.

Thank you all for your time.

Cerdenia, Duras

Senators, please heed the Hon. Speaker’s words.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

Fishergate

I agree with the Bill's amendments

I also agree with these amendments

[spoiler=SENATORS]Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

A vote on all of the amendments will now take place.

Titanne wrote:[spoiler=SENATORS]Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

A vote on all of the amendments will now take place.

AYE

Titanne wrote:[spoiler=SENATORS]Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

A vote on all of the amendments will now take place.

Aye

ALL AMENDMENTS ATTACHED TO S.B. 11 HAVE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

The bill has passed both Senate and the House and will now be sent to PM Andusre’s desk for approval. Rayekka I’m going to ping you too.

Thaecia Government Petitioning System Bill (S.B. 011)

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=PREAMBLE]

This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

a.) Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

a.i) This petition shall be in the form of a question

a.ii) This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

a.iii) This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

a.iv) This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

b.) Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

b.i) The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

b.ii) The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT II]

1. This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

a.) Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

a.i) If said petition has reached 20 signatures

a.ii) If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT III]

1. This bill requires the Prime Minister:

a.) To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

a.i) This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS]

The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article II Section 3 to read as follows:

The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate reserve the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Speaker/Chairman may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article II Section 2 of this law.

Amend Article III Section 3 to read as follows:

The Prime Minister of Thaecia reserves the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Prime Minister may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article III Section 2 of this law.

Amendment B

The Marconian State and Fishergate

Strike out Article I Section 1a.i

Amend Article II Section 1a to read as follows:

Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the issue raised by a petition,

Amendment C

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section 1a.ii to read as follows:

This petition shall be clearly addressed to either or both chambers of Congress, or to the Prime Minister, or to any combination of the above.

Add Article II Section 1a.iii to read as follows:

If said petition is addressed to the relevant chamber of Congress

Amend Article III Section 1a to read as follows:

To issue a government response to any petition addressed to the Prime Minister that reaches 10 signatures

Amendment D

Fishergate

Reformatting of the bill (see above example of bill formatting)[/spoiler]

Senators, we will now move on to another bill, however this bill will only have 1 day of debate, to squeeze in our next ministerial hearing. I urge Senators to allow this bill to pass without opposition, as it is going to affect the House and they feel these amendments will help them.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR H.B. 11 AMENDMENTS

Amendments to the Parliament Procedures Act (H.B. 011)

Author: Rayekka

Sponsor: Rayekka

As Amended By: The Marconian State and Fishergate

[spoiler=Preamble]To define the proceedings of the House of Commons, also known as Parliament, and enshrine them into law. Hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Debates]i) The purpose of the debate stage is for Members of Parliament to share and discuss their opinions of the bill in question.

ii) Bills are entitled to a minimum of 12 hours debate and a maximum of 5 days debate. It is up to the Speaker how long a bill is debated for.

iii) All bills are entitled to a debate, as long as it complies with Article VIII.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Amendments]i) Amendments can be put forward by any Member of Parliament (MP) at anytime during the debate process.

ii) Amendments can change either part or all of the bill on the floor.

iii) Amendments shall be debated during the debate stage of the main bill.

iv) For each Amendment submitted, an additional 12 hours can be added to the maximum debate time set out in Article I, Section II. However, if the overall debate time is longer than 3 days, new amendments cannot be submitted.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Votes]i) The voting stage shall occur after debating has been ended by the Speaker.

ii) If any amendments have been submitted, the Speaker can choose whether to put any of these to vote.

iii) If the Speaker does choose amendments to go to vote, all amendments shall be voted on at the same time.

iv) Time spent voting on amendments must last a minimum of 6 hours and a maximum of 2 days.

v) If any amendments are voted in favour, the main bill will be changed in accordance with that amendment.

vi) Once amendment voting is complete, the main bill is voted on. If the main bill has been successfully amended, this must be displayed by stating: “As Amended By: [MPs Name]” under “Author” & “Sponsor”.

vii) Votes on the main bill must last a minimum of 24 hours and a maximum of 5 days.

viii) MPs can cast either an “Aye”, “Nay”, or “Abstain” vote. “Abstain” votes are discounted from the overall total of votes cast.

ix) If an MP does not vote they are recorded as absent and are discounted from the overall total of votes cast.

x) An overall majority of MPs is required to cast a vote, as expressed in Article III, Section VIII of this law (“aye”, “nay” or “abstain”), in order for the House to reach quorum. No bill can be passed without quorum, though a recall motion may be passed with a minimum of one member casting a vote.

xi) A parliament member may be allowed to cast their vote for a bill in advance should they signal that they might not otherwise be available during the regular voting period, provided no amendments pass on the bill.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Speaker of the House of Commons]i) It is the role of the Speaker of the House of Commons (Speaker) to set the agenda, run debates & votes and maintain order in Parliament.

ii) It is the duty of the Speaker to maintain the legislative docket and law registries relating to the House of Commons.

iii) If a MP is disorderly by breaking the rules set out in Article XI the Speaker has the right to suspend them from the House of Commons for the remainder of that debate. This means the MP cannot speak on the House of Commons RMB until the debate has concluded.

iv) The Speaker has other rights which are set out throughout the rest of this Act.

v) There can only be one Speaker at any given time.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V - Deputy Speakers]i) The Deputy Speaker(s) position(s) should only ever be filled in the event of a Majority Coalition.

ii) Deputy Speaker(s) are appointed by the Speaker.

iii) The number of Deputy Speakers must be the same as there is coalition parties, not including the Speakers party and there cannot be more than one Deputy Speaker from each party. A MP from the Speakers party cannot be appointed Deputy Speaker.

iv) Deputy Speakers can take over the Speaker's role only if given direct permission from the Speaker. In the event this happens Deputy Speakers may exercise the rights set out for the Speaker in Article IV. These powers are removed from the Deputy Speaker upon the Speakers return.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VI - Shadow Speaker of the House of Commons]

i) In the event the Speaker has been inactive for 7 days or the Speaker role has been vacant for 5 days the Shadow Speaker of the House of Commons (Shadow Speaker) becomes Interim Speaker until the Speakers return or a new Speaker is selected.

ii) In the event of a Vote of No Confidence against the Speaker of House of Commons, the Shadow Speaker has the responsibility of running the debate and vote following the procedures set out in Article I and III.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VII - Caucuses]i) There are Caucuses and sub-caucuses.

ii) Caucuses are party members within Parliament. Parties select a Leader to head their Caucus in Parliament and they shall be known as the “Caucus Leader”.

iii) Sub-caucuses are divisions within a party or Parliament itself. These aren’t seen as official and therefore being apart of them carries no legislative or role benefit.

iv) Sub-caucuses should not be limited unless they directly violate Thaecian core values and principles.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VIII - Proposing Legislation]i) Any citizen of Thaecia can author legislation.

ii) In order for a bill to be put up for debate it must be sponsored by an MP.

iii) In order for a bill to be legal, it must contain a Bill Name, Author & Sponsor.

iv) It is recommended that bills are written by having headings as “Articles” and subheadings as “Sections” or just numbers. Roman numerals are recommended. World Assembly written bills are acceptable.

v) The Speaker may refuse to put a bill on the docket and request the Author rewrite the bill if it does not contain the requirements set out in Section III, is poorly written (e.g. spelling, punctuation & grammar) or contains profanity.

vi) The same piece of legislation cannot be voted or debate on more than once in a term of Parliament unless the bill was tabled by the Speaker (see Article XII).[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IX - Points of Order]i) Points of Order are where MPs can ask the Speaker of the House of Commons a direct question.

ii) The Speaker is obliged to respond if the Point of Order is a question and it is made clear that the MP is making a point of order, unless the Point of Order is clearly a joke or is not related to House business.

iii) In order for an MP to make it clear they are making a Point of Order, they must say “Point of Order Mr/Ms Speaker.”, and then ask their question.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article X - Titles]i) All Members of Parliament gain the “Honorable” title while they are a Member of Parliament. An MP will be known as an “Honorable Member” and must be officially referred to by this. “Friend”, “Gentleman” & “Lady” may be used as a substitute to “Member”.

ii) If a MP is a current or former Caucus Leader they earn the “Right Honorable” title. They will be known as a “Right Honourable Member” and be officially referred to by this. “Friend”, “Gentleman” & “Lady” may be used as a substitute to “Member”.

iii) “Hon.” can be used as a prefix for “Honourable”. “Rt. Hon.” can be used as a prefix for “Right Honourable”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XI - Behaviour in Parliament]i) All MPs must act professional and orderly in the House of Commons RMB.

ii) Disorderly behaviour is defined as using profanity, accusing a Member of something & calling a Member a name.

iii) Being disorderly can result in suspensions from the House.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XII - Tabling]i) Tabling is where ongoing Commons business is sidelined by the Speaker to make way for a more urgent business.

ii) In the event a bill is tabled, its entitled debate & voting times are reset for when it goes back on the floor.

iii) The Speaker has the right to table any business at any time.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XIII - Adjournments]i) Adjournments are where the Speaker deliberately stops all business for a short period of time.

ii) Adjournments cannot last longer than 3 days if there is business to be put to the floor.

iii) Adjournments can be long lasting if there is no business to be put to the floor. As soon as a business is available it must be put to the floor within 2 days.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XIV - Recess]i) Recess can only be called by the Speaker.

ii) Recess must be called 24 hours before Parliamentary elections are held, but this can be sooner at the Speakers choice.

iii) The Speaker can call recess for Public Holidays if they so wish.

iv) The closing of a Parliamentary Session must be announced by the Speaker in a closing statement to the House of Commons. Once this is done the House will go into recess.

v) The opening of a Parliamentary Session must be announced by the Speaker in a opening statement to the House of Commons. This can only be done once a majority has been found. Once the opening statement is done business may begin in Parliament.

vi) Recess can be as long as necessary as it is for a reason set out in Article XIII, Sections II & III.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XV - Amending this Law]

i) This Act is open for amendment as procedures change and adapt.

ii) To avoid abuse of government power, in order for this Act to be amended, it will require a two-thirds majority of support in the House of Commons and a regular majority of support in the Senate.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Amended Sections—]

The House of Commons has made amendments effecting the following sections of this bill:

Article III Section VIII

Article III Section IX

Article III Section X

Article XV Section II

[/spoiler]

The Naval Federation, Fishergate

I support these amendments.

Titanne wrote:ALL AMENDMENTS ATTACHED TO S.B. 11 HAVE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

The Naval Federation

Duras[/spoiler]

The bill has passed both Senate and the House and will now be sent to PM Andusre’s desk for approval. Rayekka I’m going to ping you too.

Thaecia Government Petitioning System Bill (S.B. 011)

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=PREAMBLE]

This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

a.) Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

a.i) This petition shall be in the form of a question

a.ii) This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

a.iii) This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

a.iv) This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

b.) Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

b.i) The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

b.ii) The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT II]

1. This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

a.) Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

a.i) If said petition has reached 20 signatures

a.ii) If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=ACT III]

1. This bill requires the Prime Minister:

a.) To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

a.i) This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

2. The following are exceptions to 2a:

a.i) If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

a.ii) If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

a.iii) If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

3. To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President[/spoiler]

[spoiler=SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS]

The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article II Section 3 to read as follows:

The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate reserve the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Speaker/Chairman may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article II Section 2 of this law.

Amend Article III Section 3 to read as follows:

The Prime Minister of Thaecia reserves the right to reject a petition addressed to them if they believe the petition is a waste of time and/or serving as amusement to the author(s). The Prime Minister may not reject a petition if they cannot justify this action under the provisions of Article III Section 2 of this law.

Amendment B

The Marconian State and Fishergate

Strike out Article I Section 1a.i

Amend Article II Section 1a to read as follows:

Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the issue raised by a petition,

Amendment C

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section 1a.ii to read as follows:

This petition shall be clearly addressed to either or both chambers of Congress, or to the Prime Minister, or to any combination of the above.

Add Article II Section 1a.iii to read as follows:

If said petition is addressed to the relevant chamber of Congress

Amend Article III Section 1a to read as follows:

To issue a government response to any petition addressed to the Prime Minister that reaches 10 signatures

Amendment D

Fishergate

Reformatting of the bill (see above example of bill formatting)[/spoiler]

Senators, we will now move on to another bill, however this bill will only have 1 day of debate, to squeeze in our next ministerial hearing. I urge Senators to allow this bill to pass without opposition, as it is going to affect the House and they feel these amendments will help them.

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR H.B. 11 AMENDMENTS

Amendments to the Parliament Procedures Act (H.B. 011)

Author: Rayekka

Sponsor: Rayekka

As Amended By: The Marconian State and Fishergate

[spoiler=Preamble]To define the proceedings of the House of Commons, also known as Parliament, and enshrine them into law. Hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Debates]i) The purpose of the debate stage is for Members of Parliament to share and discuss their opinions of the bill in question.

ii) Bills are entitled to a minimum of 12 hours debate and a maximum of 5 days debate. It is up to the Speaker how long a bill is debated for.

iii) All bills are entitled to a debate, as long as it complies with Article VIII.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Amendments]i) Amendments can be put forward by any Member of Parliament (MP) at anytime during the debate process.

ii) Amendments can change either part or all of the bill on the floor.

iii) Amendments shall be debated during the debate stage of the main bill.

iv) For each Amendment submitted, an additional 12 hours can be added to the maximum debate time set out in Article I, Section II. However, if the overall debate time is longer than 3 days, new amendments cannot be submitted.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Votes]i) The voting stage shall occur after debating has been ended by the Speaker.

ii) If any amendments have been submitted, the Speaker can choose whether to put any of these to vote.

iii) If the Speaker does choose amendments to go to vote, all amendments shall be voted on at the same time.

iv) Time spent voting on amendments must last a minimum of 6 hours and a maximum of 2 days.

v) If any amendments are voted in favour, the main bill will be changed in accordance with that amendment.

vi) Once amendment voting is complete, the main bill is voted on. If the main bill has been successfully amended, this must be displayed by stating: “As Amended By: [MPs Name]” under “Author” & “Sponsor”.

vii) Votes on the main bill must last a minimum of 24 hours and a maximum of 5 days.

viii) MPs can cast either an “Aye”, “Nay”, or “Abstain” vote. “Abstain” votes are discounted from the overall total of votes cast.

ix) If an MP does not vote they are recorded as absent and are discounted from the overall total of votes cast.

x) An overall majority of MPs is required to cast a vote, as expressed in Article III, Section VIII of this law (“aye”, “nay” or “abstain”), in order for the House to reach quorum. No bill can be passed without quorum, though a recall motion may be passed with a minimum of one member casting a vote.

xi) A parliament member may be allowed to cast their vote for a bill in advance should they signal that they might not otherwise be available during the regular voting period, provided no amendments pass on the bill.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Speaker of the House of Commons]i) It is the role of the Speaker of the House of Commons (Speaker) to set the agenda, run debates & votes and maintain order in Parliament.

ii) It is the duty of the Speaker to maintain the legislative docket and law registries relating to the House of Commons.

iii) If a MP is disorderly by breaking the rules set out in Article XI the Speaker has the right to suspend them from the House of Commons for the remainder of that debate. This means the MP cannot speak on the House of Commons RMB until the debate has concluded.

iv) The Speaker has other rights which are set out throughout the rest of this Act.

v) There can only be one Speaker at any given time.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V - Deputy Speakers]i) The Deputy Speaker(s) position(s) should only ever be filled in the event of a Majority Coalition.

ii) Deputy Speaker(s) are appointed by the Speaker.

iii) The number of Deputy Speakers must be the same as there is coalition parties, not including the Speakers party and there cannot be more than one Deputy Speaker from each party. A MP from the Speakers party cannot be appointed Deputy Speaker.

iv) Deputy Speakers can take over the Speaker's role only if given direct permission from the Speaker. In the event this happens Deputy Speakers may exercise the rights set out for the Speaker in Article IV. These powers are removed from the Deputy Speaker upon the Speakers return.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VI - Shadow Speaker of the House of Commons]

i) In the event the Speaker has been inactive for 7 days or the Speaker role has been vacant for 5 days the Shadow Speaker of the House of Commons (Shadow Speaker) becomes Interim Speaker until the Speakers return or a new Speaker is selected.

ii) In the event of a Vote of No Confidence against the Speaker of House of Commons, the Shadow Speaker has the responsibility of running the debate and vote following the procedures set out in Article I and III.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VII - Caucuses]i) There are Caucuses and sub-caucuses.

ii) Caucuses are party members within Parliament. Parties select a Leader to head their Caucus in Parliament and they shall be known as the “Caucus Leader”.

iii) Sub-caucuses are divisions within a party or Parliament itself. These aren’t seen as official and therefore being apart of them carries no legislative or role benefit.

iv) Sub-caucuses should not be limited unless they directly violate Thaecian core values and principles.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article VIII - Proposing Legislation]i) Any citizen of Thaecia can author legislation.

ii) In order for a bill to be put up for debate it must be sponsored by an MP.

iii) In order for a bill to be legal, it must contain a Bill Name, Author & Sponsor.

iv) It is recommended that bills are written by having headings as “Articles” and subheadings as “Sections” or just numbers. Roman numerals are recommended. World Assembly written bills are acceptable.

v) The Speaker may refuse to put a bill on the docket and request the Author rewrite the bill if it does not contain the requirements set out in Section III, is poorly written (e.g. spelling, punctuation & grammar) or contains profanity.

vi) The same piece of legislation cannot be voted or debate on more than once in a term of Parliament unless the bill was tabled by the Speaker (see Article XII).[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IX - Points of Order]i) Points of Order are where MPs can ask the Speaker of the House of Commons a direct question.

ii) The Speaker is obliged to respond if the Point of Order is a question and it is made clear that the MP is making a point of order, unless the Point of Order is clearly a joke or is not related to House business.

iii) In order for an MP to make it clear they are making a Point of Order, they must say “Point of Order Mr/Ms Speaker.”, and then ask their question.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article X - Titles]i) All Members of Parliament gain the “Honorable” title while they are a Member of Parliament. An MP will be known as an “Honorable Member” and must be officially referred to by this. “Friend”, “Gentleman” & “Lady” may be used as a substitute to “Member”.

ii) If a MP is a current or former Caucus Leader they earn the “Right Honorable” title. They will be known as a “Right Honourable Member” and be officially referred to by this. “Friend”, “Gentleman” & “Lady” may be used as a substitute to “Member”.

iii) “Hon.” can be used as a prefix for “Honourable”. “Rt. Hon.” can be used as a prefix for “Right Honourable”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XI - Behaviour in Parliament]i) All MPs must act professional and orderly in the House of Commons RMB.

ii) Disorderly behaviour is defined as using profanity, accusing a Member of something & calling a Member a name.

iii) Being disorderly can result in suspensions from the House.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XII - Tabling]i) Tabling is where ongoing Commons business is sidelined by the Speaker to make way for a more urgent business.

ii) In the event a bill is tabled, its entitled debate & voting times are reset for when it goes back on the floor.

iii) The Speaker has the right to table any business at any time.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XIII - Adjournments]i) Adjournments are where the Speaker deliberately stops all business for a short period of time.

ii) Adjournments cannot last longer than 3 days if there is business to be put to the floor.

iii) Adjournments can be long lasting if there is no business to be put to the floor. As soon as a business is available it must be put to the floor within 2 days.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XIV - Recess]i) Recess can only be called by the Speaker.

ii) Recess must be called 24 hours before Parliamentary elections are held, but this can be sooner at the Speakers choice.

iii) The Speaker can call recess for Public Holidays if they so wish.

iv) The closing of a Parliamentary Session must be announced by the Speaker in a closing statement to the House of Commons. Once this is done the House will go into recess.

v) The opening of a Parliamentary Session must be announced by the Speaker in a opening statement to the House of Commons. This can only be done once a majority has been found. Once the opening statement is done business may begin in Parliament.

vi) Recess can be as long as necessary as it is for a reason set out in Article XIII, Sections II & III.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article XV - Amending this Law]

i) This Act is open for amendment as procedures change and adapt.

ii) To avoid abuse of government power, in order for this Act to be amended, it will require a two-thirds majority of support in the House of Commons and a regular majority of support in the Senate.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Amended Sections—]

The House of Commons has made amendments effecting the following sections of this bill:

Article III Section VIII

Article III Section IX

Article III Section X

Article XV Section II

[/spoiler]

I support all of the amendments too.

The Naval Federation, Titanne

Good amendements. I would encourage all of my fellow senators, including those who disagree with the amendments (if any do), to vote in favour of them, considering this bill is about prodecures for the House of Commons. The Senate should respect he House's autonomy and pass those without any more additional amendments

Levantx, Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, The Naval Federation, Titanne, Fishergate

I hereby call a vote for amendments to H.B. 11. Senators, please ping me in your vote.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

Duras

The Naval Federation

Titanne[/spoiler]

VOTES

Aye: Titanne, The Naval Federation, Cerdenia

Nay:

Abstain:

Titanne wrote:I hereby call a vote for amendments to H.B. 11. Senators, please ping me in your vote.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

Duras

The Naval Federation

Titanne[/spoiler]

VOTES

Aye: Titanne

Nay:

Abstain:

Aye

Titanne

Aye

The Naval Federation, Titanne

Cerdenia wrote:Titanne

Aye

Thank you for pinging me. xD.

The Naval Federation

Titanne wrote:I hereby call a vote for amendments to H.B. 11. Senators, please ping me in your vote.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

Duras

The Naval Federation

Titanne[/spoiler]

VOTES

Aye: Titanne, The Naval Federation, Cerdenia

Nay:

Abstain:

Aye

Titanne wrote:I hereby call a vote for amendments to H.B. 11. Senators, please ping me in your vote.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Cerdenia

Marvinton

Duras

The Naval Federation

Titanne[/spoiler]

VOTES

Aye: Titanne, The Naval Federation, Cerdenia

Nay:

Abstain:

AYE

ALL AMENDMENTS TO H.B. 011 HAVE PASSED

[spoiler=Misc.]

Rayekka

Andusre[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

The Naval Federation

Duras

Marvinton[/spoiler]

DEBATE FOR Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Senators, this bill is urgent. Please respond to this post ASAP.

The Naval Federation, Andusre

I fully support this we should take this to a vote as soon as possible.

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, Titanne

I disagree with this bill strongly but this should not come as a surprise to any

I am strongly in favor of this bill.

This bill has my full support. Leaving the Regions Assembly is the current top priority, the people obviously voted strongly in favour of the main anti-RA candidate on the RA Representative election, now it is time for us to confirm the wishes of the people.

Levantx, The Naval Federation, Islonia

Titannea wrote:ALL AMENDMENTS TO H.B. 011 HAVE PASSED

[spoiler=Misc.]

Rayekka

Andusre[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

The Naval Federation

Duras

Marvinton[/spoiler]

DEBATE FOR Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Senators, this bill is urgent. Please respond to this post ASAP.

For me is very important to see what the citizens want. I am a "Remain" supporter, because I have the confidence that the RA can reform itself and become a working organization. I support this bill just because I think that the citizens have the right to decide the path of Thaecia in the RA.

Fishergate

Voting is Now Open for: Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Titanne: Aye

Cerdenia:

Duras: Aye

The Naval Federation:

Marvinton

Duras

Titannea wrote:Voting is Now Open for: Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Titanne: Aye

Cerdenia:

Duras:

The Naval Federation:

Marvinton

AYE

Titanne

Post self-deleted by Titanne.

Titannea wrote:Voting is Now Open for: Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Titanne: Aye

Cerdenia:

Duras: Aye

The Naval Federation:

Marvinton

Aye

Titannea wrote:Voting is Now Open for: Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Titanne: Aye

Cerdenia:

Duras: Aye

The Naval Federation:

Marvinton

Nay

Titannea wrote:Voting is Now Open for: Regions Assembly Referendum Bill (H.B. 012)

Author: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Sponsor: Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

[spoiler=Preamble]This House in the understanding that there is great debate amongst the people of Thaecia surrounding our membership of the Regions Assembly (RA) recognises the need for a Public Referendum on the Question: “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - Voting]1a. The answers to the question “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?” will be as follows “Leave” or “Remain”.

1b. This ballot will be conducted via Google Forums under the supervision of the Electoral Commission - When a vote has been cast it cannot be changed.

1c. The winning side must receive a margin of the vote greater than fifty percent. In the event of a tie, a second Referendum will be held one week later.

1d. The Referendum of Thaecian Membership of the Regional Assembly will take place on Saturday 10th of August 2019, lasting until Monday 12th of August 2019.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Implementation of the Result]2a. This House commits itself to the implementation of the decision of the Thaecian people in regard to this question.

2b. This House in the event of a “Leave” win will repeal the required legislation from Thaecian Law and pass a Withdrawal Act notifying the Regions Assembly of our intention to “Leave”. A further notice of withdrawal will be sent by our Regional Representative to the Regions Assembly in this eventuality.

2c. This House in the event of a “Remain” win will seek to reform the Regions Assembly into a functional organisation with this Houses support.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Question]3a. The Question be put to the people of Thaecia in this Referendum “Should Thaecia remain a member of the Regions Assembly or leave the Regions Assembly?”[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Campaign]4a. There shall be two officially recognised campaigns one campaign to “Leave” and another to “Remain”. Additional Non-Official Campaigns may also, take place.

4b. The Campaign Period for this Referendum will last from the Tuesday 6th of August 2019 until the close of Polls on the Monday 12th August 2019.

4c. Each Campaign will select a Chairman as their leader, they will represent them in any vocal or written debates. Other members may participate in multi-member debates.[/spoiler]

Titanne: Aye

Cerdenia: Aye

Duras: Aye

The Naval Federation: Aye

Marvinton: Nay

THE BILL HAS PASSED

Andusre, Rayekka

The Naval Federation, Duras

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

DEBATE WILL LAST TWO DAYS

Arirang Hill

Looks like a reasonable amendment to me, don't see any particular reason to oppose it.

Titanne, Arirang Hill

Cerdenia wrote:Looks like a reasonable amendment to me, don't see any particular reason to oppose it.

Me neither.

I disagree with the amendments to the bill

As the amendment author, Fishergate may speak.

Thank you Mr Chairman.

The amendment I wrote is intended to achieve two things.

The first is to make sure cabinet ministers are a little bit more active than the original bill aimed for. The House believes 10 days is too long for a minister to be inactive, so we suggest reducing this time frame to 7 days. I challenge any Senator to claim this is unreasonable.

The second is to ensure that an interim minister who holds the post for more than 7 days is subject to the same scrutiny afforded to a regular cabinet minister. This is intended to prevent abuse of power, whereby an interim minister could carry out all the powers of a cabinet minister, without having been approved by the House of Commons. Not only is this clearly undesirable, it is also unconstitutional. The 7-day time frame suggested by the House is long enough to give time for the true minister to return (bear in mind they will have been inactive for two weeks if it were to reach the end of this period), but not so long as to allow for abuse by the interim minister.

With that said, I now ask Senator Marvinton what is it he takes issue with regarding the suggested amendment? I would appreciate it if he could explain his reasons for disagreeing with the amendment.

Arirang Hill

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

DEBATE WILL LAST TWO DAYS

The amendments are good. I support them.

The Naval Federation, Titanne, Fishergate

I think we should take this to a vote since I dont think anyone else has any more questions.

Titanne, Fishergate

ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

VOTING WILL LAST UNTIL ALL VOTES ARE IN

Aye: Titanne, Marvinton, Duras, Cerdenia, The Naval Federation

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

VOTING WILL LAST UNTIL ALL VOTES ARE IN

Aye: Titanne

Aye

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

VOTING WILL LAST UNTIL ALL VOTES ARE IN

Aye: Titanne, Marvinton

AYE

Titanne wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT OF DEBATE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

VOTING WILL LAST UNTIL ALL VOTES ARE IN

Aye: Titanne, Marvinton, Duras, Cerdenia

Aye

CLOSURE OF VOTE FOR AMENDMENTS TO:

Deputy Minister Act (S.B. 013)

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Fishergate

Amend Article I Section II to read as follows:

Should a minister go inactive for more than 7 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Add Article I Section III to read as follows:

Should a Deputy Minister hold the position of Interim Minister for more than 7 days, they will be required to seek the approval of a majority of MPs. This can be achieved by holding a confirmation vote in the House of Commons.

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[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia

Duras

Marvinton

The Naval Federation[/spoiler]

The bill shall now cross PM Andusre’s desk for approval and then be added to the law registry by Rayekka.

Ayes: Titanne, Marvinton, Duras, Cerdenia, The Naval Federation

DEBATE FOR:

Thaecian Bar Association Act (S.B. 012)

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - The Bar Exam]The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Rights and Duties]All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Public Defenders]In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Negligence/Inactivity]All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V - Record-keeping]All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Add the following provision to Article II:

Citizens who pass the Bar Exam are recognised, and given the express right to display at the end of their name the honorific prefix; M.B.A (Member Of The Bar Association)

Amendment B

The Marconian State

Add the following provision to Article IV:

Public Defenders will be mandated to serve the people of Thaecia, if they are unwilling to do this without express reason, their position as a Public Defender within the Ministry of Justice will be subject to review by the respective authorities.[/spoiler]

Cerdenia, The Naval Federation, Marvinton, Duras, please note that Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay may participate in debate, as may The Marconian State, as Amendment authors.

Titanne wrote:DEBATE FOR:

Thaecian Bar Association Act (S.B. 012)

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I - The Bar Exam]The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II - Rights and Duties]All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III - Public Defenders]In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV - Negligence/Inactivity]All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V - Record-keeping]All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=—Suggested Amendments—]The House of Commons suggests the following amendments be made to this bill:

Amendment A

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

Add the following provision to Article II:

Citizens who pass the Bar Exam are recognised, and given the express right to display at the end of their name the honorific prefix; M.B.A (Member Of The Bar Association)

Amendment B

The Marconian State

Add the following provision to Article IV:

Public Defenders will be mandated to serve the people of Thaecia, if they are unwilling to do this without express reason, their position as a Public Defender within the Ministry of Justice will be subject to review by the respective authorities.[/spoiler]

Cerdenia, The Naval Federation, Marvinton, Duras, please note that Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay may participate in debate, as may The Marconian State, as Amendment authors.

The amendments are ok from me.

Titanne

I really like Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay’s amendment, but I’m not in love with The Marconian State‘s. It seems unnecessary, as it has a fairly large loophole. I can think of several universal excuses that would be counted as acceptable: I think my potential client is guilty, or I don’t have time, or the defender could just not respond to the plea. And even if those excuses were counted as not acceptable, what happens then? The amendment only lines out that there is a punishment, not what it is, and who delivers it.

The Naval Federation

Titanne wrote:I really like Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay’s amendment, but I’m not in love with The Marconian State‘s. It seems unnecessary, as it has a fairly large loophole. I can think of several universal excuses that would be counted as acceptable: I think my potential client is guilty, or I don’t have time, or the defender could just not respond to the plea. And even if those excuses were counted as not acceptable, what happens then? The amendment only lines out that there is a punishment, not what it is, and who delivers it.

Chairman, the issue about the loophole you have pointed out was addressed in Amendment C of which Amendment D was initially lifted from sadly the House decided not to support Amendment C.

[spoiler=Amendment C: (Article IV)]

Strike the provision “All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.” As this is in direct conflict with the rights set out in Article II. “The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections”

This provision will be changed to public defenders; “Public Defenders will be mandated to serve the people of Thaecia, if they are unwilling to do this without express reason, their position as a Public Defender within the Ministry of Justice will be subject to review by the respective authorities.[/spoiler]

The Naval Federation, Titanne

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay wrote:Chairman, the issue about the loophole you have pointed out was addressed in Amendment C of which Amendment D was initially lifted from sadly the House decided not to support Amendment C.

[spoiler=Amendment C: (Article IV)]

Strike the provision “All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.” As this is in direct conflict with the rights set out in Article II. “The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections”

This provision will be changed to public defenders; “Public Defenders will be mandated to serve the people of Thaecia, if they are unwilling to do this without express reason, their position as a Public Defender within the Ministry of Justice will be subject to review by the respective authorities.[/spoiler]

I unfortunately can’t support the amendment then. I love your amendment tho, nice thinking.

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay

I don't actually see any problem with Marconian's amendment, could someone give me the actual reason they are rejecting it?

The issue is based around the apparent fact that Article IV as pointed out by Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay conflicts with Article II's provision of rights.

In my view, we should retable Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay's Amendment C and fix the provisions of the Bill. I am also profoundly concerned about the lack of a Governance structure for this organisation. I call on you Mr Chairman to allow this Chamber to add additional Amendments to this BIll to correct these issues.

Upper Ontario And Hudson Bay, Titanne

Dear colleagues,

As you know, I am also the Minister of Home Affairs and also a Senator. After the debates that took place in the region, I decided to give up the mandate of Senator and dedicate myself 100% to the position of minister. Thank you for the opportunity to serve the region and its citizens.

Thank you!

[Spoiler=Senate Chairman]Titanee[/Spoiler]

Titanne, Fishergate

Cerdenia wrote:I don't actually see any problem with Marconian's amendment, could someone give me the actual reason they are rejecting it?

Well there’s a lot of loopholes, and according to UOHB, they were neglected to be filled in the House. The Naval Federation, this chamber already had the opportunity to amend the bill, but what did you have in mind? We need to work hard on this because of Duras’ resignation.

Duras

Titanne wrote:Well there’s a lot of loopholes, and according to UOHB, they were neglected to be filled in the House. The Naval Federation, this chamber already had the opportunity to amend the bill, but what did you have in mind? We need to work hard on this because of Duras’ resignation.

We cannot allow a Bill to pass into law as ill-defined as this one; we must provide a clear structure for the Bar Association and plug these gaping loopholes. It would be a democratic disgrace if this House failed to do so.

I would also, like to point out that members of this House such as myself, had no opportunity to amend this Bill once again I call on you to provide this House with the opportunity.

The Naval Federation wrote:We cannot allow a Bill to pass into law as ill-defined as this one; we must provide a clear structure for the Bar Association and plug these gaping loopholes. It would be a democratic disgrace if this House failed to do so.

I would also, like to point out that members of this House such as myself, had no opportunity to amend this Bill once again I call on you to provide this House with the opportunity.

If you have an amendment, submit it, but I feel that the issue is in the amendment. It is up to me what amendments go to a vote, however.

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