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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Post by Porfloxia suppressed by New Toerana Order.
Sitting??? Like in a chair?!?!?!? Is this a silent coup, to quietly maintain control of the chair while officially not standing??? The end times are nigh!!!!!!!
I remain seated
Also aye to the uc
Toerana V, The Ambis
fine, acknowledged
Toerana V, The Ambis
I just wanted to note that the UC motion has passed as a majority of senators have approved it without any objection.
Toerana V
The standing period closed last night, and so now I hereby open the discussion and statements period with our sole declared candidate, Senator Snowflame. Within this period, the candidate may address the chamber and the Senators of the chamber may, too, address the candidate, voicing concerns, making comments, or fielding questions. This period shall last around 28 hours, but expect minor variation. The floor is now open to discussion and statements.
The Ambis, New Central Iowa
Apologies for the delay, but I now hereby open Senate Chair Election Voting. Any sitting Senator may vote for the standing Chair candidate. As the only candidate is Snowflame, there shall be three voting options, an "Aye" vote declares confidence in the candidate, a "Nay" vote declares no confidence for the candidate, and "Abstain" indicates an abstention from voting that is discounted from the overall total number of votes cast. The vote shall last 24 hours or until each legislator has been able to cast their vote, whichever comes first.
aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
The vote is hereby closed. With 5/6 of active Senators voting, and 100% of these votes being in favor, the Senate has shown overwhelming approval of the candidate. It is therefore my honor and privilege to name Snowflame the new Chairperson of the Senate!
Snowflame, Toerana V
I would like to thank my fellow Senators for again electing me unopposed. It is a huge honor to have the opportunity to again lead the Senate for the next few months. I'm looking forward to working with the Members of Parliament, the Speaker of the House, the Ministers, the Secretaries, and the Prime Minister. As it of no surprise, I disagree with the Prime Minister on most, if not all, forms of policy; however, as I have with all previous Prime Ministers who I have disagreed with, we will work together, pass well-written laws, and get Thaecia out of this population and recruitment crisis that we currently face. Together, as a chamber and as a region, we can fix things for the better. So again, thank you.
I am appointing Obalostan as Junior Deputy and I am appointing The Ambis as the Senior Deputy.
Our first piece of business will be up momentarily.
The Ambis
First Piece of Business
Our first piece of business is the confirmation hearing For Creckelenney as Minister of Defence and Snalland as Domestic Affairs Minister.
You two may give your opening statements if you have any; however, I will be asking a few questions to both of the nominees. Senators are also encouraged to ask questions, and Toerana V has permission to talk on the floor of the chamber.
[Spoiler= Creck Questions]To Creckelenney
1. From my experience being in the military, a crucial issue I've seen is allowing autonomy within the military. What I mean is that because the military is relatively inactive, there are difficulties getting officers to lead operations. Do you have a solution to this?
2. Do you have any plans to update or change the military ranks?
3. Is there a policy from the tenure of any previous Minister of Defence that you wish to bring back or maintain?
4. Do you hold a specific R/D ideology whether that be defender-leaning or raider-leaning, and will that impact who you decide we should hold operations with?[/Spoiler]
[Spoiler= Snall Questions]
To Snalland
1. A year ago we were nearing 400 nations and now we are getting close to 200 nations. Recruitment and retention are a problem. Are there any major reforms you plan to put within the ministry that could help with this problem?
2. How often will the recruitment competitions be?
3. Do you have any population goals that you want to reach by the end of your tenure?
4. Do you have any plans for mandatory recruitment among ministers or will the region-wide competitions be the basis of reforms targeted towards recruitment?[/spoiler]
Thank you both.
[spoiler=Senators]The Ambis
Obalostan[/spoiler]
Toerana V, The Ambis
Yeah, I'll echo steak's stuff.
Hey all, Snall here. A few quick things to say before I answer Snow's questions. I've been DAM twice before, and while they weren't excellent terms on my part, I believe they were done competently. I can assure that I will again do a competent job, although I hope to do more than competently.
1: It's hard to say for sure. Obviously, something needs to change with recruitment. However, what exactly needs to be changed isn't clear. I will be recruiting actively, and hopefully if people see me recruiting that will make somebody want to recruit as well. Because of the way that recruiting works, it's not really a great use of our time to have multiple people recruiting all at once. The idea should be to have more people recruiting than there are now. How that gets done, I'm not entirely certain, although there are a couple of ideas that could be done. With retention, we've actually got a whole secretariat solely for retention. I will obviously be helping, and there's a few ways I think that retention could be done better. We need to reach out more often to our on-site only population, not everyone wants to or can access Discord. We need to run polls more often, we need to run activities that onsite members can have access to, and we need to do everything possible to make sure that the RMB is a fun and active part of our community again.
2: Do you remember Brototh and Andy's recruitment challenge? Probably not, but the idea is that the competition will run continuously, with weekly (or monthly if the turnout isn't great) announcements commemorating the people who are doing the recruiting. If nobody recruits at all, which I doubt will happen because Altys has done recruiting recently and I assume he will continue to do so, then I get all the shout outs by default, because I will be recruiting.
3: I'm not going to set a population goal. We've 227 nations at the moment of writing, and while this is pretty embarrassing, it's not the end of the world. With active recruiting, I think 250 isn't unreasonable, but again I'm not going to set a goal because if it turns out that we can't meet that goal by the end of the term, people might react negatively to something that is ultimately outside of my control. I can only control how often I recruit, not how often anybody else does. And while I plan on recruiting for a few hours every day while I'm minister, I can't guarantee that I alone will be able to get it done.
4: I think Marv and/or Andy tried to have all their ministers recruit, and that didn't really work. I will not force anybody who doesn't want to recruit to recruit. The recruitment contest isn't the only plan for recruitment either. We will be running stamp fundraisers to continue to support stamp recruitment. We may get API back up and running. We're going to put a lot of effort into this, and hopefully it will pay out.
Toerana V, The Ambis
Just wanted to pop in and say that both snall and creck are cool and I'll be sad if they're voted down.
Creckelenney
1. Not particularly, but I do have a few ideas. (do not ask me to share them because they are not fully formed yet and i don't want to have to lie to you)
2. Not at this time, no.
3. Not that I can think of.
4. I have always been more raider-leaning, but I do not believe that will have an impact.
(sorry for the sort of nothing answer, i have something going on right now and if i dont answer now i will not remember in the future)
Toerana V, The Ambis
Ayee to both
Ayeh to both
1. Abstain (i can abstain, right?)
2. Aye
Toerana V
(you, by law, have to abstain)
Creckelenney
Aye
Aye
Aye for both
Voting has now ended with all 6 senators having voted. The results are as follows:
1. Whether Creck should be confirmed for the position of Minister of Defence:
The ayes are 5, the nays are 0, the abstains are 1, and 0 senators did not vote.
Creck has hereby been confirmed for the position.
2. Whether Snall should be confirmed for the position of Domestic Affairs Minister:
The ayes are 6, the nays are 0, the abstains are 0, and 0 senators did not vote.
Snall has hereby been confirmed for the position.
Toerana V, Creckelenney, The Ambis
I am re-opening debate over the following bill because the vote never officially ended pending Bow's election as Prime Minister, and because the Senate needs something to do:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1954833
[spoiler=Senators]The Ambis
Obalostan[/spoiler]
I encourage all senators to debate the bill and give their thoughts.
As I stated prior, I fully disagree with this bill and am once again planning on voting aye.
I will be abstaining. I could go both ways on this bill
I sponsor Porflox
I will be opening the vote in the morning after Porflox gives their argument.
Going to keep it short: (unironically) literally nothing could go wrong.
Good faith participation by citizens will only help add diverse views to the conversation. If someone spams, they can be stopped by the chamber leader.
New Toerana Order
Abstain
Nay
I hereby inaugurate Sunipi as Thaecia's newest Senator. Congratulations, Sunipi.
Sunipi, The Ambis
Thank you Justizpalast.
I will be abstaining on the bill, as I do not believe it to be right to vote in a bill without giving Senators the chance to debate my views.
Justizpalast
aye
Nay
Nay
Voting has now ended. On the question of whether to pass the Congressional Sponsorships Reform Act, the results are as follows:
The ayes are 1, the abstains are 2, and the nays are 4. 0 Senators did not vote. Thus, the bill has failed to pass the Senate.
I am also declaring the Senate to officially be on recess as there is no business left to be conducted.
The Ambis
Hi Senators, and happy holidays. In pursuance with the law, we have had business we could have been conducting. As it has been over three days, as the Deputy Chairman, I am officially opening debate on the High Court Depoliticization Act.
[spoiler=Senators]The Ambis
Obalostan[/spoiler]
I am in favour of this bill and plan to vote aye
Toerana V
I vote aye
aye
The Ambis
Abstain - sorry, I didnt have time to look at this (being Christmas an all)
Toerana V, The Ambis
Abstain
Aye
The Ambis
Aye
The Ambis
We pass Toerana V, and we recess
Toerana V
great people full support
Ashlawn, Creckelenney, The Ambis
Hey. If you vote this down I will renominate them and actively attempt to recall all opposing Senators. There are no other options, either volunteer yourself or approve this.
Cheers
Creckelenney, The Ambis
I'M FREE THANK GOD I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I GOT THAT JOB
also good nominations, no objections
Toerana V, The Ambis
I have no problems with either nominee, full support
The Ambis
Double aye
aye to both
Aye and aye
Aye to both
Vote closed. We both pass senate!
I hereby inaugurate The Ambis, Santa Marana, New Central Iowa, and Aultic States as Class One Senators. Class Twos, please congratulate your new colleagues.
The Ambis
Welcome back Santa!
Santa Marana
Following much needed correction from Bow, I hereby open the Standing Period for the Chairperson Election. Per the law, this shall last at least 24 hours, or until each legislator in their chamber has declared their intent or non-intent to stand. Any sitting legislator may declare their intent to stand.
I do not intend to stand.
I stand
I do not intend on standing
I stand
Santa Marana
The standing period is now closed, and so now I hereby open the discussion and statements period with our declared candidates, Senator Snowflame and Senator The Ambis. Within this period, the candidates may address the chamber and the Senators of the chamber may, too, address the candidates, voicing concerns, making comments, or fielding questions. This period shall last around 24 hours. The floor is now open to discussion and statements.
Snowflame, The Ambis
Ladies, gentlemen, and all other relevant parties. I believe I should be chair for two reasons:
1) Snow completely neglected his job at the end of last term. I started several debates and votes, and even had to DM him several times to get him to vote. I, on the other hand, have always been active.
2) If nothing else, I want to break Snows streak of unanimous speaker/chair elections
Toerana V
Also, the man at no point had a docket, which is legally required
Toerana V
Thank you EC. My fellow Senators, this isn't an election over inactivity, it's an election over political ambition.
Last term, there was barely ANY senate business. In fact, the Senate was on very long recesses because of a lack of business. What Ambis did last term wasn't take over because of neglect, but a soft coup of the Senate. He did not message me about any debates aside from the one where he was a nominee. And he started that debate as I was talking on Discord with Bow and other parties publicly about political business. His "DM him several times to vote" was over HIS nomination and was way before the 24 hour minimum. My fellow Senators, what Ambis wants is to fulfill another political agenda.
IF Ambis or any Senator for that matter had any problem, I would've been DMed or asked about something. But Ambis wants political power.
Once again, there has been barely ANY business. What Ambis is stating today is misleading at best and lying at worse.
lol this ambis wanting political power shtick is amusing
This is highly insulting to me. I am motivated only by my want to see the Senate grow stronger. I think that can be clear in my reluctancy to accept the role of Culture Minister, and the fact that I did not run last term.
That's true. Very little buisness. Which should have made it clear when...
Could not be more wrong. There is a legal ability for the Senior Deputy Chairman (myself) to take over if the Chairman goes absent for three or more days. The bill I passed last term had been passed by the House more than three days ago, and Senator Snowflame had not yet acted on it, so I took it upon mysef to get it passed, as I knew the term was drawing to a close, and I didn't want it to get re-debated.
False. I DMed Snow on December 28th, BEFORE my nomination, to go vote in the Senate. This one is just false.
I admit, I was rash in rushing to start the nominations. However, there was a vacany in the cabinet, and I'm sure not even you can deny that vacancies are dangerous things. My goal was to fill these vacancies as soon as possible. I swear, hand on heart, that I would have done the same had I not been a nominee. Additionally, it might have been before the 24 hours, but I intended to end the vote as soon as I woke up the next day due to time contraints of the coming election. I had valid reasons to DM him.
Again, I'm just insulted. You know me. Again, if I had wanted power, why would I not have ran last term. I already have power. I'm a minister. And a secretary. I don't need the chairman position to get things done. This is just making the senate run at an efficeny that I have proven in the past.
How am I lying? How am I lying Steak?
Also, I accept any and all questions, whether publicly or privately.
Toerana V
Just to quickly respond to Ambis:
The bill that Ambis is referring to is the High Court bill that was being debated in the House. Just a fact check, the bill did not pass the House until the 23rd of December, Ambis put the bill up on the 21st of December. So, its not that I didn't act on not putting the bill up...the bill had not officially passed the House!
As the Senators saw in Ambis' opening remarks, one of his main reasons to run against me was to beat my streak lol. Which he did by running. But, I don't care about my streak. I care about making sure the Senate runs efficiently.
I am not here to argue with Ambis. The Senate sees the inaccuracies with what he has stated and his incorrect arguments of inactivity. Countless times, Ambis has soft usurped the Senate without my knowledge. My entire plan has always been to gather senators of a diverse political background in order to create a team of hard working people to run the chamber. This is STILL my plan. Its impossible to do that when one of your team members is effectively attempting to usurp the chamber. One thing is true: I know Ambis, and so I was shocked to see his actions last term.
I am not here to argue with Ambis. I am here to answer any questions the Senate may have.
Santa Marana
I will note that I made a small factual error. The bill had not passed the house for three days, it had simply been available to debate upon.
For the streak thing, thats not one of my main reasons. Just a happy bonus that I joked about
Oh jeez an actual debate. Cool. Well, now that y'all have seen that, you must make a decision. Who shall be the next Senate Chair? The Ambis? Or Snowflame?
You can decide right now! All Senators may vote. The voting period shall last at least 24 hours, or until every Senator has cast their vote. Vote vote vote!
Snowflame
Out of respect, I will abstain from voting
I will be voting for Snowflame.
I vote for Snowflame
Abstain
I'm voting snowflame
If Snowflame will be voting himself, then I see no reason to abstain. I change my vote to myself.
Ambis
I would like to thank the Senate for re-electing me. As soon as possible, I will be announcing my deputies and will get the docket posted. If any of you have any bills you would like to have put on the floor, be sure to either telegram me or send me a DM on Discord.
Thank you.
The Ambis
Good afternoon! I would first like to appoint Santa Marana as Senior Deputy and New Central Iowa as Junior Deputy. So, congratulations to you both.
We are also now going to begin our first piece of business:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1985757
I encourage all Senators to debate and give their thoughts on this bill! Thank you.
[spoiler=Senators]The Ambis
Santa Marana[/spoiler]
I, obviously am for this bill. We keep talking about how we need to deregulate DJ, but never do
Snowflame
I have no objections to the bill and see no reason to vote it down. DJ needs needs to be deregulated.
Due to a lack of debate, we will now begin voting.
[spoiler=Senators]The Ambis
Santa Marana[/spoiler]
I will be voting aye.
I'll be happy to vote Aye!
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye.
Aye
Voting has now ended. On the question of whether or not to pass the Deputy Justice Deregulation Act [Amendments to L.R.048], the results are as follows:
The ayes are 7, the nays are 0, and the abstains are 0. Thus, the bill has passed the Senate and will be sent to the House:
Since there is no new business, the Senate will be going on recess. Enjoy the, hopefully, short break!
I declare myself speaker.
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