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Asean Nations wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I would like to propose a Amendment to Amendment II

I would be against this. It would eat up time in the legislatures. We don't need a symbolic vote here - we should be able to move on if no seats swap following a special election or if the Speaker/chairman is adequate.

Asean Nations

The Bigtopia wrote:I'd be in support of this.

I agree with you on this

The Bigtopia

The Bigtopia wrote:I would be against this. It would eat up time in the legislatures. We don't need a symbolic vote here - we should be able to move on if no seats swap following a special election or if the Speaker/chairman is adequate.

Would it be too much of a cost to hear the voice of the newly elected and new member of the legislative? Would it be too much of a cost on re-confirming the trust to the Leadership with the new-composition of the Chamber?

I don't think so

Marvinton

I feel the sub-section II will take up some time as it requires a vote of no-confidence after every special election. Special election means by-polls and there might be a lot of by-polls across a Senate’s term. So it will take up a lot of time and stop the Senate from concentrating on other things, so I request the ASEAN Nations to take a close look at it and reconsider.

The Bigtopia, Asean Nations

Senate, I had a talk with the Election Commissioner and he advised that the sub-section II should be read as ‘In the result that a snap election takes place which fundamentally alters the composition of Congress, so as to deprive the ruling party(ies) of their majority, a Speakership election must be called.’ I believe that this will be better and request Asean Nations to consider this change

Asean Nations

At the same time, I would like to request the Chairman of the Senate to grant some more time for debate and to ensure that my friend, Senator Asean Nations gets enough time to contemplate on his amendment

Levantx, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island

The Islamic Country Of Honour wrote:At the same time, I would like to request the Chairman of the Senate to grant some more time for debate and to ensure that my friend, Senator Asean Nations gets enough time to contemplate on his amendment

It is hereby extended, the debate isn't over.

Asean Nations, Zon Island, The Islamic Country Of Honour

I express my gratitude to the Honourable Chairman of the Senate for accepting my request.

Asean Nations

Senator's I hope you give me few more hours to sort this. I'm just very busy [lots of (rl) works to do]

Thank you!

The Bigtopia

Asean Nations wrote:Senator's I hope you give me few more hours to sort this. I'm just very busy [lots of (rl) works to do]

Thank you!

Don't worry about it - RL first.

Asean Nations

As per Senate procedures, I will be sponsoring Electoral Commissioner United States Of Edingbridge to participate in the ongoing debate.

However, as a friendly warning, we've spent a lot of time on this bill - a lot of that time with no debate going on. The voting will most likely begin Saturday.

I am pleased that my friend, Senator Asean Nations has listened to us and made the change to sub-section II! I would like to thank him for listening to the views of the people who helped him enter the Senate. He sets a good precedent through this which other representatives should emulate. I would like to state that since my concern has been addressed, I now pledge my support to the Amendment.

I support the amendment.

Closing debate - Amendment on no confidence

We've spent too much time on this and there is no debate since people were pretty busy this week.

OPENING VOTE - NO CONFIDENCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cerdenia/detail=factbook/id=1284414

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I invite all Senators to cast their votes on the amendment and the amendment to the amendment

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

Asean Nations

Aye to the constitutional amendment, nay to the amendment to the amendment. We don't need our time wasted by motions of no confidence every time a snap or special election happens, only if it's needed.

Catlin wrote:Aye

Could you specify what you're voting aye to? There are two things we're voting on here

Mr. Chairman, u forgot to add my amendment

Aye to the Amendment, nay to the Amendment's Amendments

The Bigtopia wrote:OPENING VOTE - NO CONFIDENCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cerdenia/detail=factbook/id=1284414

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I invite all Senators to cast their votes on the amendment and the amendment to the amendment

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

Senators, just to be clear in my Amendment to the Amendment there are two things I've change.

First one is in Article II Section IV and I've added Sub-sec II and bumped the original Sub-Sec II to be Sub-sec III

Marvinton, The Bigtopia

And I apologise for my inactivity and not able to fully participate in debates. I'm swarmed by school works and family matters.

Marvinton

Hello Mr.Chairman, I would like to remind u of my amendment, I had also submitted an amendment

Marvinton

The Islamic Country Of Honour wrote:Hello Mr.Chairman, I would like to remind u of my amendment, I had also submitted an amendment

I thought you'd retracted it and endorsed ASEAN's amendment. Could you put it in a more official format? We'll vote on it next, I suppose. Apologies

Asean Nations

The Bigtopia wrote:I thought you'd retracted it and endorsed ASEAN's amendment. Could you put it in a more official format? We'll vote on it next, I suppose. Apologies

I would like to call for an Amendment to Amendment II. I would like to remove this following part from the Section IV "A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 60 days for the Senate, and one every 30 days for the House of Commons” and have it replaced by this “ A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 30 days for the Senate, and one every 15 days for the House of Commons”

The Bigtopia

That’s my amendment to Amendment II:

Change Amendment II to the following:

“ A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 30 days for the Senate, and one every 15 days for the House of Commons”

The Bigtopia

So, we'll sort things out later - I for one have gotten more than a little confused at this last bill - but until then, I hereby call the Senate into recess. It will last until January 2nd, when we will open again. Happy holidays, everyone!

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

Once again, apologies for the insanity that has been this bill - I haven't had often-enoguh access to NS this week and had finals the week before - but we will finish the vote and vote on ICH's amendments as soon as it is over.

Levantx, Marvinton, Indian Genius, Titanne, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Deppendants

Alright! The Senate is now open for business! The recess is hereby over. We'll begin with voting on ASEAN's Amendment. Take a minute to read everything over again.

Asean Nations

OPENING VOTE - NO CONFIDENCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I invite all Senators to cast their votes on the amendment to the amendment

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

Asean Nations

The Bigtopia wrote:OPENING VOTE - NO CONFIDENCE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I invite all Senators to cast their votes on the amendment to the amendment

[spoiler=SENATORS]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

"Aye"

The Bigtopia

Since it's the amendment to my constitutional amendment which is still up for a final vote I am assuming I am still allowed to speak here as per the Senate's procedures.

The amendment proposed by Senator Asean completely undermines the whole idea of our amendment which was approved by both the governmnet and opposition as a compromise in the House of Commons. This amendment has two major problems, first one is that it completely abolishes caps to the time of motions of no confidence. While it would be better if we had an alternative to this, the only alternative was one proposed by MP Marvinton over in the House of Commons and it actually has a vague definitions which results in a sort of minority rule, as such the amendment ended up being massively rejected by the House. Again, noone has really come up with a proper solution to this, if we remove the cap on motions of no confidence this could be used as a tool by the opposition to continuously call motions of no confidence for no reason, clogging up space in the RMB, wasting the time of the commissioner and making it a pain to actually propose legislation due to the House being obstructed with motions of no confidence.

The other problem with this amendment is another vague definition:

"In the event that a Snap/Special Election took place a Vote of No Confidence must take place, If the Composition of the Respective Chamber is greatly changed specially the ruling coalition. If the motion passes the Speaker or the Chairman must resign on their post and a election for the position must take place."

First of, if there is a snap election for all of the chamber's seats then we automatically already have a speaker election as we will have elected a full new set of legislators. Now, the idea of having a motion of no confidence every single time we have a by-election is just illogical, specially as it would waste this House's time if the government retained it's majority.

In conclusion I don't see the point of this amendment and it doesn't appear like senators have looked at these problem.

What I do however believe would be a good solution to the no-confidence motion problem would be cutting down the time of motions on each chamber by half. Senator ICH has proposed such an amendment and it would be great if this Senate looked at it, it's a much more reasonable and sensible solution.

The Islamic Country Of Honour wrote:That’s my amendment to Amendment II:

Change Amendment II to the following:

“ A vote of no confidence shall be capped at one every 30 days for the Senate, and one every 15 days for the House of Commons”

[spoiler=Senators]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour

With the concerns raised. I would like to re-introduce my Amendment to the Amendment

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

Cerdenia, The Bigtopia, The Islamic Country Of Honour

Asean Nations wrote:With the concerns raised. I would like to re-introduce my Amendment to the Amendment

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1295079

I would also like to have my amendment included in it. This would save the time of the Senate

Asean Nations

I like this piece of legislation

Asean Nations, The Islamic Country Of Honour

After ASEAN has implemented the changes I had proposed in his amendment, I am now in favour of it and would like to inform the people that I am voting ‘aye’ on this

Marvinton, Asean Nations

I was already "aye" on this. I am still "aye".

Levantx, Marvinton, Asean Nations

I vote Aye.

Asean Nations

I resign from the Senate. I can’t work with the toxic establishment I am sorry. I wish someone will take care of The Senate Forum in my absence. Bigtopia was a great guy to work with and also the other guys. Thanks a lot Senate

The Bigtopia, Asean Nations

The Islamic Country Of Honour wrote:I resign from the Senate. I can’t work with the toxic establishment I am sorry. I wish someone will take care of The Senate Forum in my absence. Bigtopia was a great guy to work with and also the other guys. Thanks a lot Senate

We're sorry to see you go, good luck with whatever you do next.

I think the worst is behind us, though.

Asean Nations

Aye

Asean Nations

Closing Vote: Amendment to Amendment

Results:

Ayes (5): Antenion, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Indian Genius, The Bigtopia, and Asean Nations

Did not vote (2): Catlin, Cydoni

This bill has now been amended

Asean Nations

OPENING VOTE: No Confidence Amendment

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cerdenia/detail=factbook/id=1284414

I ask all Senators to please cast their votes on this piece of legislation.

[spoiler=Senators]

Asean Nations

Catlin

Antenion

Indian Genius

Cydoni

The Bigtopia[/spoiler]

CLOSING VOTE - No Confidence Const. Amendment

Ayes: Antenion, Catlin, Asean Nations, Indian Genius, Cydoni, The Bigtopia

The amended constitutional amendment is now at the attention of the Speaker of the House

[spoiler=Speaker]Marvinton[/spoiler]

Marvinton, Asean Nations

CONFIRMATION - DEPUTY JUSTICE NOMINEE - [nation=noflag]Dannet[/nation]

Senators, we now will debate Chief Justice [nation=noflag]Rhyssua[/nation]'s nomination of [nation=noflag]Dannet[/nation] as Deputy Justice. The nominee is permitted to speak on the Senate floor to respond to Senators as they debate and question the nominee's nomination

[spoiler=SENATORS]

[nation=noflag]ASEAN Nations[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Catlin[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Antenion[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Indian Genius[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Cydoni[/nation]

[nation=noflag]The Bigtopia[/nation][/spoiler]

Asean Nations, Dannet

I have no questions, I feel like he is gonna do a great job

The Bigtopia, Dannet

[nation=noflag]Dannet[/nation], What political party here in Thaecia would you say best reflects your own views? If you become Deputy Justice, will you become/stay an independent?

What are your views on Globalism/Islolationism and Reform?

Asean Nations, Dannet

Dannet, what is your way of dealing with court cases.

Asean Nations, Dannet

Post by Dannet suppressed by a moderator.

Dannet wrote:[spoiler]Thank you Mr. Chairman for the opening question.

Both as a potential Deputy Justice and Independent, I do not resemble, endorse, or "lean towards" any political party or any specific legislation for that matter.

The position I seek, and the stance I hold, requires impartiality, careful attention to detail, and ultimately is subordinate to extant legislation- namely the constitution.

As for your second question, "My Opinion" on [any given subject] is not only irrelevant, it is precluded from consideration; The Will of the People is "My Opinion".

I would find it next to impossible to entertain or exhibit any bias or prejudice regarding the will of the people.

Well said. You are definitely allowed to have your own opinions as a Deputy Justice, however, if Islonia is any indication.

Post by Dannet suppressed by a moderator.

This is an expansion upon Senators Catlins question. Should a case be opened to where you are personally conflicted, what would your course of action be?

The Bigtopia, Dannet

Post by Dannet suppressed by a moderator.

I just want to ask if you have any concerns, comments or suggestions Regarding any Acts on the Law Registry, especially on L.R.008 Thaecia Legal Code

The Bigtopia, Dannet

Post by Dannet suppressed by a moderator.

I want to know your thoughts on the current situation of Thaecia.

Dannet

Dannet wrote:Thank you Senator ASEAN Nations.

I do, in fact, have many concerns regarding the Law Registry. Too many to list in this venue.

My concerns, however, are less about what is written and covered, but what is missing. That is, overlooked.

New and unexpected contingencies arise frequently. From what I've seen thus far, Thaecian legislators are doing their best to fill in what's missing, and insert what's been overlooked.

As for commenting on L.R. 008, I can see no fundamental flaws that would merit any serious rewrite, if that is what the senator was implying.

Thank you for the answer Dannet, looking forward to your ideas.

Dannet

Post by Dannet suppressed by a moderator.

As it appears that there are no further questions, we will now vote on the confirmation of [nation=noflag]Dannet[/nation] as Deputy Justice of the High Court.

Senators, please cast your votes.

[spoiler=SENATORS][nation=noflag]Antenion[/nation], [nation=noflag]Catlin[/nation], [nation=noflag]ASEAN Nations[/nation], [nation=noflag]Indian Genius[/nation], [nation=noflag]Cydoni[/nation], [nation=noflag]The Bigtopia[/nation][/spoiler]

Aye

Chairman Bigtopia

Aye

Chairman Bigtopia

aye

Chairman Bigtopia

VOTING END - DEPUTY JUSTICE CONFIRMATION - [nation=noflag]Dannet[/nation]

Dannet is hereby unanimously confirmed as a Deputy Justice of The High Court

[spoiler=SENATORS][nation=noflag]Antenion[/nation], [nation=noflag]Catlin[/nation], [nation=noflag]ASEAN Nations[/nation], [nation=noflag]Indian Genius[/nation], [nation=noflag]Cydoni[/nation], [nation=noflag]The Bigtopia[/nation][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Chief Justice][nation=noflag]Rhyssua[/nation][/spoiler]

We'll move on shortly

Antenion, Asean Nations, Dannet

OPENING DEBATE - PARLIAMENT PROCEDURES REFORM BILL

Author & Sponsor: [nation=noflag]Terentiland[/nation]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=terentiland/detail=factbook/id=1295087

Senators, the floor is now open for the debate. Apologies for the delay.

[spoiler=SENATORS]

[nation=noflag]ASEAN Nations[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Catlin[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Antenion[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Indian Genius[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Cydoni[/nation]

[nation=noflag]The Bigtopia[/nation][/spoiler]

Marvinton, Asean Nations, Terentiland

I do not have any objections to this bill, it is well written and needed.

Asean Nations, Terentiland

OPENING VOTE- PARLIAMENT PROCEDURES REFORM BILL

Author & Sponsor: [nation=noflag]Terentiland[/nation]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=terentiland/detail=factbook/id=1295087

Senators, please cast your votes on the Parliament Procedures Reform Bill

[spoiler=SENATORS]

[nation=noflag]ASEAN Nations[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Catlin[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Antenion[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Indian Genius[/nation]

[nation=noflag]Cydoni[/nation]

[nation=noflag]The Bigtopia[/nation][/spoiler]

Terentiland

aye

Terentiland

Aye

The Bigtopia, Terentiland

VOTING END

Ayes:

[Nation]Antenion[/Nation]

[Nation]The Bigtopia[/nation]

[nation]Catlin[/nation]

[nation]Indian Genius[/nation]

Nays:

None

Abstentions:

[Nation]Cydoni[/nation]

[Nation]ASEAN Nations[/nation]

Motion Passed

The Bigtopia, Terentiland

With the Permission of The Bigtopia I hereby declare this Senate on Recess until the seats left by Me, Bigtopia, and ICH is filled

The Bigtopia

Guys its been fun, but with exams comming up and issues with my current living arrangments (mainly my SOFA Agreement) im going to be resigning from my posistion of Senator to make room for someone who can be active on both Discord and NS. I love you all, and wish you well.

The Bigtopia

With great hope and strong pride, I invite all newly elected Senators to take the Oath of Office!

[spoiler=OATH]"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter."[/Spoiler]

[spoiler=Senator-Elects] Titanne, Cerdenia, Al0Neforever, Brototh, and Catlin[/Spoiler]

After doing so you are hereby inaugurated as members of the Senate of Thaecia.

Brototh, The Bigtopia

I, Titanne, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Brototh, The Bigtopia, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

I, Cerdenia, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Brototh, The Bigtopia, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

I,Al0Neforever, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Korsinia, Brototh, The Bigtopia, Terentiland

I, Brototh, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Korsinia, The Bigtopia, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

I Catlin do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter

Brototh, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

[spoiler=Hello Senators-] Indian Genius, Asean Nations, Titanne, Cerdenia, Al0Neforever, Brototh, and Catlin[/spoiler]

If anyone wishes to stand for the Chairman position, you may do so now.

Brototh, Titanne, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Al0Neforever

Terentiland wrote:[spoiler=Hello Senators-] Indian Genius, Asean Nations, Titanne, Cerdenia, Al0Neforever, Brototh, and Catlin[/spoiler]

If anyone wishes to stand for the Chairman position, you may do so now.

I will be standing for the Chairman position.

The Marconian State, Brototh, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

I will be standing for Chairman of the Senate.

The Marconian State, Brototh, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

I will be standing for Chairman of the Senate.

The Bigtopia, Terentiland

Post self-deleted by Indian Genius.

Post self-deleted by Indian Genius.

I will be standing for the Senate Chairman.

Terentiland

[Spoiler=Hi Senators!] Indian Genius, Asean Nations, Titanne, Cerdenia, Al0Neforever, Brototh, and Catlin [/spoiler]

You may now vote on who you wish to be your Chair! If no member achieves a majority (which is likely with four candidates), I will initiate a runoff between the two candidates with the most votes per the Constitution.

Brototh, The Bigtopia, Asean Nations, Zon Island, Al0Neforever

I vote for Cerdenia.

The Bigtopia, Al0Neforever, Terentiland

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