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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Senators, I further motion that the Senate dismisses Minister of Communications Santa Marana from his position effective immediately as per Cons III.IV.I, for dereliction of duty.
The motion is now being debated.
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The above nations were dismissed so the motions are void and regular business will resume shortly
Senators, we are now debating the following bill.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1877719
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looks good and lines up with whats already passed
Senators, we are now voting on the following bill.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1877719
My vote is Aye
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Aye
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye
6-0-0-1 passes Sevae officially BAD
We are now undertaking the confirmation hearings of the appointed Minister of Defence Andusre and of the appointed Minister of Domestic Affairs Snalland
The nominees have permission to speak on the Senate floor during this time. Use this period as a chance to make statements in support of the nominees or ask them questions on their plans for the coming 2 months.
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Andusre, Toerana V, Sevae, Snalland, The Ambis, Obalostan
Great nominees. how will you improve on your predecessor's work Snalland?
Ambis would regularly take a while to update factbooks, I will be doing that in a much quicker fashion. Additionally, Ambis didn't do much recruiting, I will be doing more recruiting. Time permitting, I would like to send a thousand recruitment telegrams myself by the end of the term. Hopefully with an active HAM others will be inspired to do their own recruiting. I'd also like to mention that I have done this job before, and did so competently. I won't promise that it will be an overwhelmingly spectacularly well ran ministry, but it will be ran competently. Unless something unforeseen happens, I can promise that I will be an active member of the executive and that the Domestic Affairs Ministry will run smoothly and with less delays.
Brototh, The Ambis
I have full confidence in Andusre; he is the region's most experienced military officer in the region and just who we need right now to run. No questions and vote begins soon
Andusre
aye for both
Andusre
After careful consideration:
Aye to Snalland
Aye to Andusre
Andusre
Aye for both
Andusre
The votes have ended
Both ministers are confirmed by votes of 4-0-0-3
Andusre
Senators, we are now debating the Public Election Convention Act (2023). If passed, this would become Legislative Resolution 067.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1874374
Senators, first, I must point to the preamble to justify why this bill is necessary; I will develop the primary point here though. Simply the problem is that elections are too frequent in this region for recalls to be functionally possible. Let me point to the attempted recall last term of Experthady and Aiyland, both of whom suffered periods of inactivity judged by the citizenry to be worthy of putting their positions to the test via a recall vote. However both of these were denied as term had within 14 days left and so as per the Constitution they were voided.
You may think it to be wise to just amend the 14 day rule, but the rule is good and functions for a reason- it combats election fatigue first of all, as too many elections too frequently causes a lower turnout. Second it means any prospective replacement MP serves a term longer than 4 days (about one bill; and probably less than 4 days!) by the time the whole process has been completed. My personal solution is that we should lengthen terms in some sort of way to help put a stop to this problem. The real problem is that by the time MPs have done something so serious (or failed to do anything to a serious level) that warrants a recall, there is no time left to make a recall possible or practical. An expansion of terms would put a firm stop to this problem.
Now I am not here necessarily to justify why terms should be expanded, but why this bill should be passed. Regardless, I feel it is important to set the stage for the debate so it makes sense why we are having this recall. As such, I direct us to the growing fact over 2 years now that Thaecian politics have become less attractive to the average citizen, and Executive activity has shifted to the region's primary focus nowadays. The issue is no matter how much any government- I know this better than most, I was Prime Minister- tries, the legislature takes up most of people's times through its consistent demands of re-election; there is a reason why Senators are usually also the ones active in executive government, not just because they are typically more experienced, but because they don't have the constant 2 months of election weighing on them. And in a time where political activity has really reached its nadir, how can we go on like we are? With a region at the core connected to the legislature, when we desperately need executive activity to survive: look at how low it is now and look at the looming fate of death that the region comes closer to. I do not mean that the region is literally on the point of death, but it feels as though we are tumbling down the mountain and doing nothing to help ourselves get back up.
I have been described by many as a Thaecian conservative; Let me point us to a real conservative tradition, 'changing to conserve.' If we as a region are to survive, we have to make these changes now so that we do not risk serious irreversible inactivity from our core members. It is time that we come together as a region to address this problem and find the best way to fundamentally change our region's structure; because it is evident that we cannot continue as we are in such an election-heavy legislative-focused environment; we need to put more focus on our executive and pull it away from the legislature.
Senators, I will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
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P.S. You may question why I have not simply called for a constitutional referendum. There are two reasons: One, that this is the issue of a single article and not the entire Constitution, Two, that some of the procedures are slightly different, for instance putting an emphasis on citizens vote, changing how Congress votes as two chambers instead of all together (just as any constitutional amendment would), and allowing for the convention to actually pass constitutional amendments.
New Central Iowa
I motion for unanimous consent on the following bill:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1884250
Please do not just straight up object to this if you go "omg remove bar bad". We have had a very very long and extensive discussion on the bar on discord. If you have questions please DM or TG me. Or just approve it- it's really what is best.
I acknowledge the motion
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any chance you could summarize what the Public Election Convention Act (2023) would do if passed?
[quote=brototh;52225249]I motion for unanimous consent.../quote]
aye, no reason for this not to be the case
Motion acknowleged.
I acknowledge the motion.
I object. Justices being exempt from position restrictions deserves more debate
What this does is basically call a mini-constitutional convention for one article of the constitution which is reforming elections in Thaecia. I explained why we have to reform elections but I think that it is vital that we have the citizenry get involved in this, so this allows for a citizens vote and debate to advise Congress on what the best course of action is. It would just mean we have a leader of the convention who organises debates and votes for Congress and the citizenry to take part in, in a formal setting that makes it easy for us to organise the debate. It is a pretty vital topic for us to deal with so I hope we can get this bill passed quickly.
The reason I have written this bill to do almost the same thing as a constitutional convention, rather than passing a constitutional convention, is because the procedures in this bill are marginally different to those of a constitutional convention: first, since this is one article, voting is conducted based on proposals rather than articles as a whole, and the final vote is to approve a single change to articles (and other laws if needed like LR 049 Electoral Commission Act 2022). Also it puts more emphasis on the votes of the citizenry rather than Congress; this is a region of the people by the people for the people after all. Also it lets us use the Convention to pass that constitutional amendment (with the same procedures as a normal amendment don't worry), it just means we don't have to waste time on conducting a separate vote for an already mass-approved amendment.
Overall pretty much what this bill does is organise debates for an article to be amended and make it so the whole procedure is more streamlined and less of a waste of time. I will propose amendments to the constitutional convention act itself later so that this bill is not needed in the future for single-article amendments with citizenry input, but for now it is far more efficient for us to pass this bill.
The Ambis, New Central Iowa
Senators, we are now voting on the Public Election Convention Act (2023). If passed, this would become Legislative Resolution 067.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1874374
My vote is Aye
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Aye
Aye
Aye
aye
Passed 5-0-0-2
Now debating this bill
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1884250
Some common sense changes for a modern era. 2/3 very inactive Justices. And it basically forces 2 people out of our political system for basically no benefit. It's not even like Justices don't express political opinions anyway.
Also it means our top legal experts, and let's be honest like myself, I wrote 80% of this region's law, can't be Justice due to the restrictions. Personally I don't have an interest in being Justice, I didn't just write this to advance my interests, but I do genuinely think that since our best members are doing other jobs we need to free up the Justice restrictions so that we can get more people active in the region rather than being locked away.
We complain a lot about activity. Then we send away our best members to the judiciary to do nothing in. What lol
Also the bar is pointless. It's almost entirely unused. It's just decoration and takes up time and effort for nothing. Let's just push it to the side; we can do it without a law that restricts us like crazy anyway.
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The Ambis
I agree that if current Justices were in the Senate right now debate would be more lively and we wouldn't have a situation where like 2 people participate in debates, usually even close to nobody participating including me. And yeah the bar is too big for our activity levels right now unfortunately
Toerana V, The Ambis
I think we can still have a bar but it should be a combined project between DAM/LAM and Culture, not as a long winded legal thing. It should be a fun thing for the sake of it
The Ambis
Not really any debate after all then.. Now voting on the bill.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1884250
My vote is Aye
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Aye
Aye
aye
aye
Passed 5-0-0-2
Senators, we are now debating the following bill.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1812386
First I must state that this should not turn into a debate on whether or not we should retain this bill or if it is useful at all. This debate should be focused purely on the merit of the amendments to the existing legislation.
Do not oppose this legislation because you think the law is useless; judge this bill based on its own merits on improving the current law. If you wish to repeal the act, write your own bill on that, but keep this debate and vote purely on improving the current legislation. That being said, this bill pretty objectively makes the current law better and resolves some of the silly mistakes in the original text; full support from me.
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Senators, we are now voting.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1812386
My vote is aye
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aye
The Ambis
Right... vote I guess
Aye
Aye
Aye
Passed 5-0-0-2
Post by South Azamm suppressed by Brototh Forniseimeda.
i acknowledge the motion
Post by South Azamm suppressed by Brototh Forniseimeda.
Under the powers granted to me by Legislative Resolution 067 Public Election Convention Act (2023) 5.3, this Senate is now indefinitely adjourned for the commission of the Public Election Convention, and will exit adjournment following the conclusion of the convention or the proposal of new and substantial business to the Chair.
I have elected to, effective immediately, resign as Senate Chair, in order to focus on my efforts in executive government
The standing period for Chair is now open.
Senators, you have 24 hours to declare your intent or non-intent to stand.
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aye i'll stand
The standing period is now over.
The statements and discussion period is now open.
This will last for 24-48 hours.
The declared candidates are:
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Snowflame[/spoiler]
I dont have a problem with the nominee. Even if I did, there is no other serious candidates willing. Full support
Senators, we are now voting on the election of New Central Iowa as Chair.
Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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Aye
Aye
Abstain as I am the one being voted on
Aye
aye
Aye
Right, this is my first time being chair, I'm not sure what I'm doing, if anyone can give me some insight on how to work this, would you please dm me on discord, telegram here or we can vc
alright, first order of business the confirmation of Obalostan as the culture minister, at this time obalostan has permission to speak on the senate floor, ask some questions about what plans are and such
Brototh, Obalostan
There is hardly any time left in term (two weeks to be exact)- but I asked NCI to put this up just because I think it's important to have them officially in place since they've been really good so far and we should make it official
Toerana V, The Ambis, New Central Iowa, Obalostan
I think Obalostan will make an excellent Culture Minister, I don't have any problems with him.
Obalostan
right, at this point voting will commence on the confirmation of Obalostan as the culture minister of thaecia,
my vote is aye
Abstain
Aye
Aye
passes 3-0-1-3
next, lets commence debate on https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1900843
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Brototh
I think it's a great treaty to have, our regions have been friendly towards each other for a long time! I think it's pretty well-written as well!
Brototh
Yeah, I have no problem with this.
Brototh
Love the name so much
Justizpalast, The Ambis
Right then, let's move it to voting!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1900843
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I'll put in my vote as an aye
Aye
Aye
Tell u what senators this is, as the kids say, pretty based, u should vote for.
Yes I have a sponsor it was Brototh
Brototh
Aye
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passes 4-0-0-3
With that out of the way, the candidacy for Chair is officially open.
Please state clearly if you wish to run for Chair or not.
the declaration period will be open for 24 hours, or until all members have stated their intentions.
The Ambis, Obalostan
Alright, Ill be running for chair
Ashlawn, Sma Cyrillic, Obalostan
I will NOT be running for Chair
Sma Cyrillic
I WILL be running for chair
Sma Cyrillic, Obalostan
I'm not gonna bother running cos I'll be leaving soon anyway
Obalostan
I'm running
After (more than oops) 24 hours, the CDP is closed.
The following people are running for Chair:
For the next couple days, you may now ask candidates any question. At the conclusion of a couole days, voting shall commence.
Right then peeps. You all know who I am, but lets do the whole why should I vote you?
1) Im qualified. Ive served as the Speaker of the House once, and essentially ran the house for the back half of last term since Snall was dealing with IRL things
2) I have a good track record. My house was an active one, with most people voting. I implemented a 24 hours to vote policy that I absolutely plan on using in the senate. Knowing that there is a time limit is very important, and encourages people to vote fast.
Thats really it for now. If you have questions/comments/concerns, feel free to ask here, or TG/ DM me!
Obalostan
I will ask a preemptive question to Eagle Country. Last term, your record was spotty, to say the least. Your turnout was inconsistent and you often seemed confused as to how to perform tasks such as voting. How can we trust you to run the senate for 4 months?
i'd like to run the house as a sort of continuation of my short term last time, i ran a few items but never got the full experience of running the senate,
similarly to the ambis i have a decent track record, when i do serve in house i try my best to be active, and when i cannot be i typically announce it in the senate RMB or in the discord.
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