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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Senators, we have begun voting on the Positions Restriction Reform Act (2021) As Amended.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1551096
Aye
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]
aye
Aye
Aye
Toerana V
Aye
Aye
Results:
Aye (6) Ashlawn Dendrobium Emazia Ermica Sevae Toerana V
Nay (0)
Abstain (0)
The Positions Restriction Reform Act (2021) As Amended has passed.
Senators, we have begun the confirmation hearing of Islonia for Foreign Affairs Minister.
Islonia has proven to be dependable and motivated during his time in the Thaecian government, and I have no issues with his confirmation.
Islonia
We all know Islonia is fit for the job. I don't have any questions for the candidate.
What sort of direction would we see an Islonian foreign affairs department take in terms of foreign relations?
Thank you for your question Honourable Senator.
An Islonian Foreign Affairs Ministry is in practice already in place since I was Foreign Affairs Minister for about a month and then led the FA Council as the most Senior Member after my resignation (so in effect running the ministry). The changes I have already enacted during my tenure are:
- Training future MoFAs by not having only one Deputy Minister but several (not legally though)-- named Senior Diplomats (SDs). Each SD is in charge of a group of region, generally grouped around a theme (our closest allies and friends are all in one group for example). They basically act as mini ministers, overseeing the diplomats in the groups; being sure they do their job, and if that's not the case, to boop them/propose a replacement.
- As a followup to the above-- a fully involved FA Council (composed of the PM, MoFA, SDs + advisors) in every of our actions, because more heads is always better when taking important issues, and decision making is obviously part of the training.
- Closing embassy that stood there mostly for optics (topic still in discussion for some other embassies) and simply re-centering ourselves on relations with less regions but ones that truly matter.
- More transparency (which in effect translates to me declassifying information whenever I publicly post information about it).
You can pretty much expect a continuation of all the above for the remainder of the term.
Toerana V, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye
I am happy to answer any questions Senators may have, but to preempt this I am going to give some explanation behind each Article/Section
Article I
The Major feature of this amendment is the introduction of a citizen recall for members of the Legislature.
Article 1 Details how a citizen may begin the recall process.
Article II
Article two details how a recall works, assuming it meets the minimum requirements.
I'm not going to explain how it works, that's clearly set out in the legislation itself.
I chose 3 days larger as a filler to be changed by the Senate/House, but it's a decent amount of time for a recall on its own.
60% for recall was largely a compromise to reassure concerned legislatures that it'll be harder for them to be removed because of a lack of popularity. This is also true for the 14 day cooldown
Article III
Section I and its subsections are deliberately a 1 item list to allow the House/Senate to add to it. I believe it is fine on its own, as it blocks problems with policy/platform as it is, and Section III already allows the court to rule on more vague reasons.
Article IV & V
Articles IV and V are largely aesthetics overhauls of the existing bill. This preserves the current recall procedure the legislature has to govern itself
Article VI
As a reference for aesthetics purposes, to stop a fairly ugly looking format being listed in the middle of the bill
Article VII
Functional to enact the amendment
[spoiler=Amendment A]All instances of the term "by-election" are replaced with "snap election"; the word "by" is struck out from Article I Section 1.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment B]Article V is amended to the following:
1. A recall vote commences in the Senate, lasting 2 days or until all Senators have voted;
1-1. It requires the support of 2/3rds of all Senators to pass.
2. If it passes the Senate, a recall vote commences in the House of Commons, lasting 2 days or until all MPs have voted;
2-1. It requires the support of 2/3rds of all MPs to pass.
3. If the recall is passed by the Senate and House of Commons, the individual is immediately removed from Office;
3-1. A snap election is triggered for the vacant seat.
4. If a recall vote fails to pass in either the Senate or House of Commons, the recall vote is dismissed.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment C]Article III is struck out and other articles are renumbered accordingly.
Article I, section 1., is amended to:
1. A recall may be initiated against a member of the House of Commons or Senate;[/spoiler]
First amendment is just aesthetic but necessary to avoid another court case
Second one removes the Court from approving a recall because that is a clear case of court overreach imo. It gives the court too much power and we all know that power corrupts, especially people that aren't really accountable.
Third one is a long shot and it probably won't be approved, but my reasoning is: firstly, that's court overreach again and it can get to arbitrarily decide which petition is valid, and we all know that afterwards they'll just reject the appeal because "they don't have to accept all appeals". It's better to have a bad petition reach voting stage than have a good one not reach it because the Court decided so. The other requirement is already in Article I so it isn't needed
As for the removal of policy disagreement as something you can't be recalled for - well, duh, it's a political game, of course it makes sense that you can be recalled over policy disagreement if 2/3 of Congress hates your policy so much that they want to recall you and vote to recall you. "Minority protection" is something very often talked about but if you're in the minority, you have to be good enough to be elected instead of relying on your social popularity. For example, I doubt that anyone would vote for Marv hadn't he been so popular, and he probably would have been recalled under the new system - but he has friends in the Court - social friends - who would say "no, no, this is a policy disagreement" and scrap the petition. On the other hand, I doubt Bow would have been recalled because he really is a good Senator, one of the best, and doesn't, you know, disrupt things, while also being in a minority, so this still makes it easy for people like Bow not to be recalled.
I have made my case and I hope all 3 do pass, but there's so much I can do
Toerana V
I completely support the three amendments proposed by Sevae
They weren't in the original bill because of compromise, a lack of ability to read, apparently, and the fact the later articles are just a rewrite.
I support the removal of Article III because I believe that to ensure the citizen's right to recall is enshrined it needs to be no strings attached. The people fighting this amendment are people who have opened stated that they would abuse it to remove political opponents (Marv) and people fearmongering about giving the citizenry power (Brototh) - claiming that citizens *will* abuse this because apparently Thaecians can't be trusted with a right to recall.
Naturally, Amendment A is a no brainer
Amendment B I am cautiously in support of. The Court has an immense amount of power in this region, and we keep handing them more. Removing the requirement for the court to approve a recall makes it a proper recall, instead of impeachment with a different name.
Sevae
Brototh has retracted their objections to the proposed amendments, and thus I retract my statement about his fear mongering to be polite.
Sevae
I support the proposed amendments. The Court is pretty strong already, so more power is not the best move.
Toerana V, Sevae
Point of order for the Chair, Ashlawn, would this Amendment to L.R. 009 fall under any or more categories laid out in L.R. 037, Article II, Section V?
Toerana V
I think it's borderline. The proposal in front of us is not a bill, it is an amendment. Passed legislation are not bills (unless L.R.037 claims that laws are still bills) so it shouldn't result in this being an illegal move on the part of the Senate - it's just a de facto repeal and replace amendment of existing legislation, not an amendment to a bill current on the Senate floor - that would make it illegal.
Sorry about my absence here we go
As I mentioned in our messages I personally don't feel that this Amendment qualifies under Article II since Section 1 of that article says "Amendments may be put forward by any Senator at any time during the debate process." The current business was obviously not put forward during the debate process and therefore the rest of Article II doesn't apply to it.
Senators, we have begun voting on the following amendments to the Amendment to L.R.009.
[spoiler=Amendment A]All instances of the term "by-election" are replaced with "snap election"; the word "by" is struck out from Article I Section 1.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment B]Article V is amended to the following:
1. A recall vote commences in the Senate, lasting 2 days or until all Senators have voted;
1-1. It requires the support of 2/3rds of all Senators to pass.
2. If it passes the Senate, a recall vote commences in the House of Commons, lasting 2 days or until all MPs have voted;
2-1. It requires the support of 2/3rds of all MPs to pass.
3. If the recall is passed by the Senate and House of Commons, the individual is immediately removed from Office;
3-1. A snap election is triggered for the vacant seat.
4. If a recall vote fails to pass in either the Senate or House of Commons, the recall vote is dismissed.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment C]Article III is struck out and other articles are renumbered accordingly.
Article I, section 1., is amended to:
1. A recall may be initiated against a member of the House of Commons or Senate;[/spoiler]
Aye to all
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]
Toerana V, Dendrobium
Aye to All
Aye to all
Aye to all
Results:
Aye (4) Ermica Sevae Toerana V Ashlawn
Nay (0)
Abstain (2) Dendrobium Emazia
The amendments have passed.
Senators, we have begun voting on the Amendment to L.R. 009 as amended.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ermica/detail=factbook/id=1555094
Aye
[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]
Well we didn't have a chance to fix the holes that the amendments we voted on caused, so I can't vote "Aye"
I also can't vote "Nay" because then this proposal has to be tabled if it fails until the next term.
So, I'm going to abstain unless this is tabled to pass through some necessary fixes.
Brototh
Amendment to L.R. 009 as Amended is tabled until further notice.
(Cba to find the password to my Thaecian account so I am using my main)
For when the proposal is moved back to debate I would like to propose the following amendments:
Amendment A:
2-1. Publish a petition on the Regional Message Board that targets a specific, valid individual, stating an explicit reason for the recall, during using the format in Article V;
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Grammatical Error & with the removal of invalid reasons there is no reason why an "explicit reason" must be mandated. Mandating the format alone is enough
Amendment B:
Introduces 1-2, renumbers all subsequent subsections
1-2. This vote must be accessible to all Thaecian citizens;
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Oversight on my part but there is no requirement for a vote to be accessible to Thaecian citizens
Amendment C:
Replaces the full stops at the end of Article III, 1-1 and 1-2 with semi Colons
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Purely aesthetic, it's inconsistent with the rest of the bill and we might as well cram it in here while we have a chance
There will probably be a few more coming when Brototh wakes up and tells me I missed something, but I can't see anything else.
Toerana V keeps talking bout me here so I'll just come down here to talk about it, might as well at this rate Senate is kind of dead anyway.
Don't think it's entirely legal using your main but...eh, whatever.
The amended version is as I described on Disc, probs unconstitutional. At this rate Congress can de facto unilaterally recall an MP/Senator. I support cutting Congress entirely:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1554490
I suggest you use this one bow, put in your amendments you just talked about. We can use this, makes life about a thousand times easier. I doubt the Thaecon house will even pass the first one you proposed anyway, much less high priority debate it. So we might as well just use this which is a hundred times better anyway.
I'm going to open the debating period for the Amendment to L.R. 009 as Amended. With most of the senators absent there probably won't be much debate, but I'll put it up for now. The debating period will last until we can sensibly call a vote on any amendments. Toerana V and Brototh, I suggest we work something out on Discord so we can try and get something done. It's hard with only two senators, but we can at least keep the debating period open until people come back.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1555094
Oh finally.
I think we should take Brototh's advice, and I'll be cutting my proposed amendment C and moving forward with the following amendment in its place to remove Article III and Article IV in their entirety:
Amendment C:
Article III and Article IV are removed in their entirety, and all subsequent articles are renumbered.
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Given the fact the Senate has near literally died, I'd like the chair to move this to a vote. Ta
Toerana V iirc, I might have made some changes to the bill here and there to make it slightly easier to read. Idk, might be remembering wrong, so just double check and read through my text to make sure
According to the Chair, the Amendments are hard to read, so I'll repost to make them easier to read:
Amendment A:
2-1. Publish a petition on the Regional Message Board that targets a specific, valid individual, stating an explicit reason for the recall, during using the format in Article V;
Amendment B:
Introduces 1-2, renumbers all subsequent subsections
1-2. This vote must be accessible to all Thaecian citizens;
Amendment C:
Article III and Article IV are removed in their entirety, and all subsequent articles are renumbered.
Senators, we have begun voting on the amendments to Amendment to L.R. 009. Gonna keep this open until enough people vote.
[spoiler=Amendment A] 2-1. Publish a petition on the Regional Message Board that targets a specific, valid individual , stating an explicit reason for the recall, during using the format in Article V; [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment B] Introduces 1-2, renumbers all subsequent subsections
1-2. This vote must be accessible to all Thaecian citizens; [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment C] Article III and Article IV are removed in their entirety, and all subsequent articles are renumbered.[/spoiler]
Aye to all
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ashlawn (IND)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND) [/spoiler]
Toerana V
Aye to all
Aye to all
Toerana V
Aye to all
Toerana V
I'm going to close the voting period in 24 hours. I want to give Ash and Dendro a bit more time if they come back, but after 24 hours we're done.
Toerana V
On the topic of the inactivity of the Chair and their Sr. Deputy, I'd appreciate some support for this Motion of No Confidence - If anyone else is interested in co-signing it with me so we can replace the chair that'd be much appreciated.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1558233
I would first like to apologize for my prolonged period of inactivity. I had a lot of work in real life that resulted in me being unable to check NS for a good week. However, it was my fault for not making clearer public statements indicating that I would be gone for a prolonged period of time. I recognize that my failure to make these proper statements significantly slowed, and in some cases halted, the Senate's business.
All I can really say is that I will be more active for the remainder of this term. With all of my irl work finished I will have very few if any distractions, allowing me to fulfill my obligations as Chairman of the Senate.
Considering the Senate is basically dead anyway, I'd like to propose a docket plan. I already did it on discord but I feel it is going to get lost so putting it here will like, not lose it or whatever.
[spoiler=Docket plan]EC act (3d)
Convention motion (4d, have to vote on debating the motion first)
Amend LR 048 (3d, during convention)
CRA (3d, during convention)
Repeal LR 036 (3d, during convention)
Amend LR 015 (3d, during convention)
Election concludes on or around 15th, voting period begins on or around 12th, Senate business concludes on 12th. About a month to go.[/spoiler]
That's 19d of work there, it'll probably get us 22/23d, 29 days overall left. Just wanted to provide this because I feel it is very crucial to what will happen coming in next term. There is enough time for us to push through all remaining business if we have high activity. I have a feeling if we have 29d, considering the whole constitution is basically finished already with only some minor policy changes like Justice reconfirmation, it is probably possible for us to be able to push in the Fourth Constitution somewhere as well.
Toerana V
Hello everyone. The Constitution mandates that I preside over the no-confidence motion, so here we are. We'll start with 48 hours to debate the motion. If I judge that the debate's continuing in earnest after it ends I'll extend it. After the debate, we shall vote on the motion. Should it pass, we would then immediately begin elections for a new Chairman.
Senators, you may begin debate.
[spoiler=Senators]
Toerana V[/spoiler]
Toerana V
Despite Ashlawn's return, and their claim that they will now have sufficient time to conduct the duties of Chair, I believe that this motion of no confidence is the best thing for the Senate, despite it eating up more crucial Senate time.
The lack of clarity, or any form of statement to the Senate on this RMB or Thaecia's discord server by the Chair appeared to result in hestitency in their Jr. Deputy, who was unsure of what to do being both inexperienced and because of an apparent desire of not wanting to do a job because there was an impression, stated by Marv, that Ashlawn had plans for legislation to push forward. This resulted in Senate business grinding near completely to a halt.
I do not hold any grudge or dislike of the Senate Chairman due to this absence - stuff happens and we all have to re-prioritize sometimes, but the vanishing at such a crucial time without giving the Senate any form of public warning of a slowdown in Senate has resulted in the Senate being unable to do its job without leadership, at a crucial time with legislation to pass holes caused by recent court rulings, and the now inability to pass the Constitutional Convention motion, which was being debated in the House at the time of the vanishing, a near universally agreed upon move due to the poor state of this constitution.
At quieter times, or less important times, the halt of Senate business may have been begrudgingly accepted, but the Legislature cannot stop working because of the businesses of an individual. At the least, they could have informed their Jr. Deputy of the Absence and request for them to conduct Senate Business in place of both themselves and their Senior Deputy, but the hesitation by the Jr. Deputy, at least to begin with, quite seriously implies that this was not a conversation that was had.
Therefore, I encourage my colleagues to vote in favour of this motion
Emazia
Sorry to barge in, but I promised to close the voting period. I wasn't able to close the vote exactly at 6 pm EST because I had to do some things IRL, but 25 1/2 hours isn't that far off.
Results:
Amendments A, B, and C:
Aye (4) Ermica Emazia Toerana V Sevae
Nay (0)
Abstain (2) Dendrobium Ashlawn
All amendments have passed.
I am going to wait for now and put the amended bill to vote after the no confidence motion.
As for the no confidence motion itself, I am opposed to removing Chairman Ashlawn from his position. While notifying senators would have saved us a lot of time and energy, I understand that life gets in the way sometimes. Were there communication problems? Absolutely, but I don't blame Ashlawn. I should have been more proactive to begin with, and at least a portion of the blame lies with me. In any case, I think that it would be better for Ashlawn to serve out the rest of his term as Chairman to avoid further problems.
although I signed this motion, I don't support it anymore as I find Ashlawn's explanation sufficient and have faith he can be active once again
I sponsor Brototh to speak on the Senate RMB
I'll get a proper reply to the comments later
Brototh
Senators,
There is no guarantee that the Chairman Ashlawn will be able to return fully to his position. Senate business, as we have all seen it and all agree upon, was completely and utterly halted at some points. Obviously, we can all agree that this is a major issue. Being a Chairperson who had to resign due to IRL issues- I can respect and understand whatever Ashlawn went through in this time.
However, it has become blatantly clear over almost the whole term at the general delay of voting and debating concluding in general- especially now, due to whatever unfortunate event has occurred. The total lack of communication from the Chair in this time has been extremely hard hitting to the Senate in general- until yesterday, just after the no confidence motion was called in fact, the Chair had not posted on the RMB once in ten days.
Of course, there is no guarantee that other Senators who would take the Chairman's place would not have IRL issues either- however, when something has occurred that has clearly caused so much distress to the Chair it has completely halted Senate business or at least significantly delayed it for several weeks now, it calls into question if something this clearly significant will start up again? Of course, I hope not- because Ashlawn is a cool dude, and I would not wish that on anyone- but it is something that we very strongly have to consider. Being someone who resigned due to IRL issues myself, while it is not accurate to compare two completely different situations, I can tell you that when faced with something very significant, I thought several times I could 100% get back to it, I was wrong.
On this in more detail- no confidence motions are capped once every thirty days in the Senate. That is the rest of the term- and we have very, very crucial legislation to push through right now. Can we guarantee that we will not be plagued with the same inactivity from the Chair again, and end up losing on extremely valuable and needed time? The time we lose from this motion and electing a new Chair pales in comparison to the time we will lose from a dead Senate again. There are no second chances now.
I encourage Senators to take on board what I have said, and very strongly consider how they are going to vote.
World Trade, Toerana V, Emazia, Marvinville, Mardis, Love You 3000
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of Thaecia against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
Ashlawn, Brototh, Toerana V, Ermica, Marvinville, Sevae, Love You 3000
[quote=sevae;44283042]although I signed this motion, I don't support it anymore as I find Ashlawn's explanation sufficient and have faith he can be active once again[/quote]
We had faith he would be active when he was elected. He shattered that confidence when he vanished without a trace. As Brototh stated, his first post on the Senate RMB in 10 days was his response to the No Confidence Motion. I believe that if we had not put forward this motion he would have continued comfortably in his absence, and that we forced him to react.
We no longer have time to risk letting Ashlawn remain - as if this no confidence vote fails we will be unable to change Senate leadership without their resignation - and another round of crippling inactivity will be more detrimental to the Senate than the last one has been. Ashlawn has already shown that they do not inform the Senate that they are unable to conduct their duties, and will not resign from their position should they find themselves unable to do their job. This has been more than clearly shown by the events that have occurred over the past week and a half.
[quote=ermica;44278249]As for the no confidence motion itself, I am opposed to removing Chairman Ashlawn from his position. While notifying senators would have saved us a lot of time and energy, I understand that life gets in the way sometimes.[/quote]
I entirely agree, life gets in the way - I went through a period of pretty poor activity during the last leg of my exams which saw me miss a vote or two, but I didn't grind the Senate to a halt because of it. You can't control what happens in life, but you can control how you respond to it, and Ashlawn didn't even provide us with a statement on this RMB or one of the two discord servers with channels designated for senate business.
[quote] Were there communication problems? Absolutely, but I don't blame Ashlawn. I should have been more proactive to begin with, and at least a portion of the blame lies with me.[/quote]
You were handed a very difficult situation - Both the Chairman and Sr. Deputy vanished without any form of statement. Naturally, you didn't want to leap just in - they could be gone for a day, a week or longer. You weren't to know when either of them would return, and as such you were hesitant, especially with your perceived inexperience. You could have been more proactive, sure, but Ashlawn equally could have told you that you'd need to conduct Senate business for a while to give you the confidence necessary to execute the requirements of the office without being unsure of whether you'd find yourself usurped and a confused Chairman asking questions of why and when you did x or y.
[quote]In any case, I think that it would be better for Ashlawn to serve out the rest of his term as Chairman to avoid further problems.[/quote]
To avoid future problems? I'm not sure what you mean.
Surely, removing Ashlawn would help solve any future problems we may have for the remainder of this term - and it lets him more worry and obligation free react to IRL problems.
Removing Ashlawn would cause no problems - especially if we choose someone active and competent to be his replacement.
Brototh, Marvinville, Love You 3000
I'd like to make a quick response to some of the things said in the debate so far.
First, I'd like to reiterate that I know for a fact that I will not have any large amount of work for the rest this term.
Secondly, both the President and Senator Toerana V both mentioned how I didn't post on the RMB for 10 days and I only did so when the motion of no-confidence was presented. On discord on NS-Politics I said that I would be hoping to return on Friday. I agree that these passing statements are not a substitute for a public statement and will not try to say that they are. On Friday, I asked the Honorable Senator to provide the raw text for their amendments because I was having a hard time identifying the Amendments clearly. I did this with the full intent of starting the vote. However shortly after I had to go eat Lunch and when I came back Ermica had started the vote.
Since the debate has petered out, we shall begin the vote. A simple majority is required for the motion to succeed.
(for reference, Aye means you want to REPLACE the Chairman, Nay means you want to KEEP the Chairman)
[spoiler=Senators]
World Trade[/spoiler]
Toerana V
Aye
I encourage my fellow Senators to consider how they vote, and read the debate and posts above before casting their ballot.
Marvinville
Nay
Abstain
Nay
Ashlawn
Nay
Ashlawn
Abstain
The no-confidence motion fails, and as a result Ashlawn remains the chairman. The Senate shall continue its business.
Aye: 1
Nay: 3
Abstain: 2
Did Not Vote:1
[spoiler=Senators]
World Trade[/spoiler]
Senators, we have begun voting on the Amendment to L.R. 009 as Amended.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1560067
Abstain
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)
World Trade (IND)[/spoiler]
aye
Aye
Aye
Disappointing that we have chosen to not only sanction inactivity, but approve of it with this vote.
Aye
Aye
Results:
Aye (5) Emazia Ermica Sevae Toerana V World Trade
Nay (0)
Abstain (2) Ashlawn Dendrobium
The Amendment to L.R. 009 as Amended has passed and will be sent to the House.
[spoiler=Speaker]
Andusre[/spoiler]
Senators, we have begun debate on The Electoral Commission Act of 2021 (amended).
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1553961
I introduce the following Amendment:
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Changes Article II Section 1
Section I - As per Article VIII, Section III of the Constitution, elections to the Legislature will use the Single Transferable Vote, specifically the Droop formula for calculating quotas in the Single Transferable Vote system and wherein only full votes may be used in the re-calculation of the same, except where surplus votes are evenly split, where it shall be distributed proportionally as per Article II Section I Subsection I, and those to the executive shall use Instant Runoff Voting.[/spoiler]
Good bill
Senators, we have begun voting on the following amendment to the EC Bill.
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Changes Article II Section 1
Section I - As per Article VIII, Section III of the Constitution, elections to the Legislature will use the Single Transferable Vote, specifically the Droop formula for calculating quotas in the Single Transferable Vote system and wherein only full votes may be used in the re-calculation of the same, except where surplus votes are evenly split, where it shall be distributed proportionally as per Article II Section I Subsection I, and those to the executive shall use Instant Runoff Voting.[/spoiler]
Aye
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)
World Trade (IND)[/spoiler]
Toerana V
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye
Senators, the amendment has passed and we have begun voting on The Electoral Commission Act of 2021 (amended).
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1561442
Aye
[spoiler=Senators]
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)
World Trade (IND)[/spoiler]
Aye
Aye
I forgot to vote I am so incredibly sorry >_>
Aye
aye, damn it I also forgot
Aye
Results:
Aye (6) Ashlawn Emazia Ermica Sevae Toerana V World Trade
Nay (0)
Abstain (1) Dendrobium
The Electoral Commission Act of 2021 (amended) has passed and will be sent to the House.
[spoiler=Speaker]
Andusre[/spoiler]
Senators, we have begun voting on whether to debate the Motion for the Third Thaecian Constitutional Convention.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1555495
Aye
Brototh, Toerana V
aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Senators, we have begun debate on the Motion for the Third Thaecian Constitutional Convention.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1555495
Time to wait 12 hours while we twiddle our thumbs
Anyone want a cup of tea?
Sevae
Senators, with permission of the Chair we have begun voting on the Motion for the Third Thaecian Constitutional Convention.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1555495
[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)
Dendrobium (SOL)
Emazia (IND)
Ermica (TCU)
Sevae (IND)
Toerana V (IND)
World Trade (IND)[/spoiler]
My vote is Aye.
Brototh
aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Results:
Aye (7) Ashlawn Dendrobium Emazia Ermica Sevae Toerana V World Trade
Nay (0)
Abstain (0)
The Motion for the Third Thaecian Constitutional Convention has reached the 2/3rds majority required. Therefore, the Electoral Commissioner will begin the process of electing the Convention Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson.
[spoiler=EC]
Rhyssuan Peoples[/spoiler]
Senators, we have begun debate on the Congress Regulation Act as amended.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1559534
Brototh
"Another authorship will make a fine addition to my collection!"
I haven't had chance to read over all of it to an extent I can comment on it truly (and unfortunately I doubt I will be), but I do agree with the general idea from the parts I did get to read. In my belief it is often the best case to, when possible, make things as clear and and condensed as possible. We have no need to spread all of these things out, and bringing them together will help make it a lot easier for aspiring lawmakers. Of course I can't say for definite as I haven't read over it thoroughly, but unless any concerns are raised I will be voting aye for this.
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.