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Thaecian Military Force Act - S.B. 008 - Voting

Author: Greater Conexus

Sponsor: Greater Conexus

[spoiler=Preamble]Acknowledging the discussion around a Thaecian military corps prior to the recent Senate snap elections.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I: Formation of this Thaecian military]

- To create the position of “Thaecian Defense Minister”, whose job will be to

plan any future liberations on enemy regions.

- To employ at least 10 nations as members of the military, ready to liberate/raid an enemy region with 24 hour’s notice.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II: Use of the Thaecian Military]

- To liberate allied regions who have requested our help.

- The responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III: Authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military]

- The authorisation shall be passed in the Senate and House of Commons similarly to current acts; by an absolute majority.

- If military action is recommended by the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 50% of both Houses will be required to agree on the authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military.

- Utilizing the Thaecian Military for raiding will have to be passed similarly to passing a constitutional amendment, which is that 2/3rds of both Houses will have to agree on it. If the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Prime Minister and President all agree that a raid should happen, this requirement is removed and the raid would be passed if it has 50% of both parties’ support.[/spoiler]

[Spoiler=Article IV: Public Referendum]

Section I

Upon the passage of this bill in the House of Commons and Senate, the final version of the bill shall be voted on by the Citizens of Thaecia, in a referendum organised through a regional poll. The referendum shall have a duration of 3 days, and must include an option in favour and one against the bill.

Section II

In order for the final version of the bill to pass, it must achieve a majority of the total number of votes cast on the referendum.[/spoiler]

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Aye: [0]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Ultimately I still decided to vote against this bill. I feel as if establishing a military as of right now shouldn't be a priority of our region, let's remember that this people who are involved in the military could instead be involved on our regional politics (something pretty much all actice citizen's of this region are involved with). For example, I myself would like to see the seats in the Senate increased to 7 before next election, so well instead of keeping our small legislature with a military which overall won't have a truly extremelly relevant purpose (since we can't be raided), we leave a military for when the region grows larger, and instead focus on increasing our legislature for example.

[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Albianis (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Levantx (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

-- Against

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1209141

Aye, but it doesn’t matter at this point.

Thaecian Military Force Act - S.B. 008 - Defeated

Author: Greater Conexus

Sponsor: Greater Conexus

[spoiler=Preamble]Acknowledging the discussion around a Thaecian military corps prior to the recent Senate snap elections.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I: Formation of this Thaecian military]

- To create the position of “Thaecian Defense Minister”, whose job will be to

plan any future liberations on enemy regions.

- To employ at least 10 nations as members of the military, ready to liberate/raid an enemy region with 24 hour’s notice.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II: Use of the Thaecian Military]

- To liberate allied regions who have requested our help.

- The responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III: Authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military]

- The authorisation shall be passed in the Senate and House of Commons similarly to current acts; by an absolute majority.

- If military action is recommended by the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 50% of both Houses will be required to agree on the authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military.

- Utilizing the Thaecian Military for raiding will have to be passed similarly to passing a constitutional amendment, which is that 2/3rds of both Houses will have to agree on it. If the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Prime Minister and President all agree that a raid should happen, this requirement is removed and the raid would be passed if it has 50% of both parties’ support.[/spoiler]

[Spoiler=Article IV: Public Referendum]

Section I

Upon the passage of this bill in the House of Commons and Senate, the final version of the bill shall be voted on by the Citizens of Thaecia, in a referendum organised through a regional poll. The referendum shall have a duration of 3 days, and must include an option in favour and one against the bill.

Section II

In order for the final version of the bill to pass, it must achieve a majority of the total number of votes cast on the referendum.[/spoiler]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Titanne (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [2]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT), Levantx (TPU), Albianis (TPU) [3]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

With 3 nays and 2 ayes, this bill hereby fails to pass.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

The Adjustment and Fixation of Thaecian Election Dates Act (AFTED) - H.B. 007 - Debating

Author: Andusre

Sponsor: The Marconian State, West Aldbund, Rayekka

As Amended by: Rayekka

[spoiler=Preamble] Concerned that the exact dates and times of elections can often be confusing and subject to interpretation, agreeing with Article IX of the Constitution, adding to the Thaecian Electoral Commissioner Act (HB 005), Congress hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

Section I: Acknowledgements of the Constitution

Congress, in order to maintain constitutionality, hereby reminds itself that Article IX of the Constitution mandates that House elections shall be held every 2 months, and that all other elections (Senate, Prime Minister and President) shall be held every 4 months.

Section II: Elections for the House of Commons

Inauguration of the House of Commons will be the 4th day of the month in which an election is scheduled for. The elections for the House of Commons must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. For example: if an election for the House is scheduled for February, inauguration must be on the 4th of February. Elections for the House of Commons should occur no earlier than 2 weeks before the inauguration date.

Section III: All Other Elections

Inauguration of the President, Prime Minister & Senate will be the 16th of the month in which an election is due. The elections for the Prime Ministry, Presidency and Senate must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. 4-month terms have concluded. The order in which these elections, and the House of Commons election take place is up to the discretion of the officiator of the election. Elections for the President, Prime Minister & Senate shall occur no earlier than 4 weeks before the inauguration date.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

Section I: For Future Reference

At the time of consideration of this bill (estimated by the author), the next scheduled elections will be for the House, Senate, Prime Ministry and Presidency, all of which are due to take place in July 2019. In accordance with this bill, the next inauguration date is 16th July 2019 for President, Prime Minister & Senate. The next inauguration date is 4th July 2019 for the House of Commons. Elections must be held prior to the dates set.

The next midterm election after the elections mentioned above are due to take place in September for the House of Commons, and the inauguration date will be 4th September 2019. All other elections shall follow this pattern.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

Section I: Inauguration Dates

President, Prime Minister & Senate inaugurations must be held in the months of March, July & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

House of Commons inaugurations must be held in the months of January, March, May, July, September & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

Section II: Snap Election Inaugerations

Inaugurations for Snap Elections are exempt from this act. [/spoiler]

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This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. The author is allowed to participate on this debate as always. Personal Opinion: This is a good bill which will improve our election organisation in general, not much else to say about it really, plan to vote in favour of this one.

[spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Albianis (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Levantx (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Can one of the authors explain in short what the effects of the Bill's are? I must confess that I do not really see or understand the concrete impact of the Bill. Except the more and in my opinion better order and timetable presented.

Ping:

AndusreRayekka

Andusre

The Adjustment and Fixation of Thaecian Election Dates Act (AFTED) - H.B. 007 - Voting

Author: Andusre

Sponsor: The Marconian State, West Aldbund, Rayekka

As Amended by: Rayekka

[spoiler=Preamble] Concerned that the exact dates and times of elections can often be confusing and subject to interpretation, agreeing with Article IX of the Constitution, adding to the Thaecian Electoral Commissioner Act (HB 005), Congress hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

Section I: Acknowledgements of the Constitution

Congress, in order to maintain constitutionality, hereby reminds itself that Article IX of the Constitution mandates that House elections shall be held every 2 months, and that all other elections (Senate, Prime Minister and President) shall be held every 4 months.

Section II: Elections for the House of Commons

Inauguration of the House of Commons will be the 4th day of the month in which an election is scheduled for. The elections for the House of Commons must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. For example: if an election for the House is scheduled for February, inauguration must be on the 4th of February. Elections for the House of Commons should occur no earlier than 2 weeks before the inauguration date.

Section III: All Other Elections

Inauguration of the President, Prime Minister & Senate will be the 16th of the month in which an election is due. The elections for the Prime Ministry, Presidency and Senate must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. 4-month terms have concluded. The order in which these elections, and the House of Commons election take place is up to the discretion of the officiator of the election. Elections for the President, Prime Minister & Senate shall occur no earlier than 4 weeks before the inauguration date.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

Section I: For Future Reference

At the time of consideration of this bill (estimated by the author), the next scheduled elections will be for the House, Senate, Prime Ministry and Presidency, all of which are due to take place in July 2019. In accordance with this bill, the next inauguration date is 16th July 2019 for President, Prime Minister & Senate. The next inauguration date is 4th July 2019 for the House of Commons. Elections must be held prior to the dates set.

The next midterm election after the elections mentioned above are due to take place in September for the House of Commons, and the inauguration date will be 4th September 2019. All other elections shall follow this pattern.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

Section I: Inauguration Dates

President, Prime Minister & Senate inaugurations must be held in the months of March, July & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

House of Commons inaugurations must be held in the months of January, March, May, July, September & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

Section II: Snap Election Inaugerations

Inaugurations for Snap Elections are exempt from this act. [/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Albianis (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Levantx (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

--- With the explanation bellow provided by our PM.

I would like to change my vote to a firm "Aye"

Levantx wrote:Can one of the authors explain in short what the effects of the Bill's are? I must confess that I do not really see or understand the concrete impact of the Bill. Except the more and in my opinion better order and timetable presented.

Ping:

AndusreRayekka

Sorry it took so long to answer, I assume I accidentally forgot about the notice.

The bill means that our elections have to begin on the 1st day of every election month, rather than being initiated on, for example, the 20th or 27th of a month which would obviously be impractical and arguably unconstitutional. That's all.

Levantx

The Adjustment and Fixation of Thaecian Election Dates Act (AFTED) - H.B. 007 - Passed

Author: Andusre

Sponsor: The Marconian State, West Aldbund, Rayekka

As Amended by: Rayekka

[spoiler=Preamble] Concerned that the exact dates and times of elections can often be confusing and subject to interpretation, agreeing with Article IX of the Constitution, adding to the Thaecian Electoral Commissioner Act (HB 005), Congress hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

Section I: Acknowledgements of the Constitution

Congress, in order to maintain constitutionality, hereby reminds itself that Article IX of the Constitution mandates that House elections shall be held every 2 months, and that all other elections (Senate, Prime Minister and President) shall be held every 4 months.

Section II: Elections for the House of Commons

Inauguration of the House of Commons will be the 4th day of the month in which an election is scheduled for. The elections for the House of Commons must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. For example: if an election for the House is scheduled for February, inauguration must be on the 4th of February. Elections for the House of Commons should occur no earlier than 2 weeks before the inauguration date.

Section III: All Other Elections

Inauguration of the President, Prime Minister & Senate will be the 16th of the month in which an election is due. The elections for the Prime Ministry, Presidency and Senate must always be initiated before this date and finish before the inauguration date. 4-month terms have concluded. The order in which these elections, and the House of Commons election take place is up to the discretion of the officiator of the election. Elections for the President, Prime Minister & Senate shall occur no earlier than 4 weeks before the inauguration date.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

Section I: For Future Reference

At the time of consideration of this bill (estimated by the author), the next scheduled elections will be for the House, Senate, Prime Ministry and Presidency, all of which are due to take place in July 2019. In accordance with this bill, the next inauguration date is 16th July 2019 for President, Prime Minister & Senate. The next inauguration date is 4th July 2019 for the House of Commons. Elections must be held prior to the dates set.

The next midterm election after the elections mentioned above are due to take place in September for the House of Commons, and the inauguration date will be 4th September 2019. All other elections shall follow this pattern.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

Section I: Inauguration Dates

President, Prime Minister & Senate inaugurations must be held in the months of March, July & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

House of Commons inaugurations must be held in the months of January, March, May, July, September & November and the elections for these before the inauguration date.

Section II: Snap Election Inaugerations

Inaugurations for Snap Elections are exempt from this act. [/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Titanne (TPU), Albianis (TPU), Levantx (TPU) [4]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: Greater Conexus (TSP) [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Legislative Recall Bill - S.B. 009 - Debating

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]Senators can be inactive, as can MP’s it’s just the nature of the game. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything about it. That is why I propose this bill to replace ineffective/inactive Senators.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]Any senator may propose a removal bill to remove one senator or MP from office. This bill must be approved by all but one of the members of the chamber it is proposed in. There are several safeguards to keeps from abuse of this power. A bill must be approved by at least two different political parties and in the case of a sole opposition, the bill cannot be enacted against them. A removal bill can only be proposed once per term in the Senate, and once per every two terms in the House. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]If it discovered that a removal bill was created to push someone with different beliefs out of their seat, they shall be punished by the High Court.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]It is up to the President and the Electoral Comissioner to decide how to proceed in case of a removal bill, they may do one of the following: leave the seat empty, appoint a replacement, or hold a snap election to determine the fate of the seat.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV]This bill will be enacted one week after the next general election.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. Personal opinion: I like the idea of the bill, however don't believe it is being well implemented. I don't think we should just make a bill to remove inactive senators/MPs, we should instead draft an impeachment procedures bill (however I believe this could be better adressed in the constitutional convention). Ultimately I propose that we drop this bill and instead either propose a bill with impeachment procedures (which will include inactivity as an impeachable offence) or propose impeachment procedures on the constitutional convention.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Levantx, Titanne

New Cerdenia wrote:Legislative Recall Bill - S.B. 009 - Debating

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]Senators can be inactive, as can MP’s it’s just the nature of the game. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything about it. That is why I propose this bill to replace ineffective/inactive Senators.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]Any senator may propose a removal bill to remove one senator or MP from office. This bill must be approved by all but one of the members of the chamber it is proposed in. There are several safeguards to keeps from abuse of this power. A bill must be approved by at least two different political parties and in the case of a sole opposition, the bill cannot be enacted against them. A removal bill can only be proposed once per term in the Senate, and once per every two terms in the House. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]If it discovered that a removal bill was created to push someone with different beliefs out of their seat, they shall be punished by the High Court.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]It is up to the President and the Electoral Comissioner to decide how to proceed in case of a removal bill, they may do one of the following: leave the seat empty, appoint a replacement, or hold a snap election to determine the fate of the seat.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV]This bill will be enacted one week after the next general election.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. Personal opinion: I like the idea of the bill, however don't believe it is being well implemented. I don't think we should just make a bill to remove inactive senators/MPs, we should instead draft an impeachment procedures bill (however I believe this could be better adressed in the constitutional convention). Ultimately I propose that we drop this bill and instead either propose a bill with impeachment procedures (which will include inactivity as an impeachable offence) or propose impeachment procedures on the constitutional convention.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

I could get behind your ideas, Cerdenia. The reason I proposed the bill here is because I can’t attend the conventions, but I’d be happy to drop this bill if someone brought my ideas up there.

Levantx

Legislative Recall Bill - S.B. 009 - Voting

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]Senators can be inactive, as can MP’s it’s just the nature of the game. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything about it. That is why I propose this bill to replace ineffective/inactive Senators.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]Any senator may propose a removal bill to remove one senator or MP from office. This bill must be approved by all but one of the members of the chamber it is proposed in. There are several safeguards to keeps from abuse of this power. A bill must be approved by at least two different political parties and in the case of a sole opposition, the bill cannot be enacted against them. A removal bill can only be proposed once per term in the Senate, and once per every two terms in the House. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]If it discovered that a removal bill was created to push someone with different beliefs out of their seat, they shall be punished by the High Court.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]It is up to the President and the Electoral Comissioner to decide how to proceed in case of a removal bill, they may do one of the following: leave the seat empty, appoint a replacement, or hold a snap election to determine the fate of the seat.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV]This bill will be enacted one week after the next general election.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: [0]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Abstain:[0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Well as I stated earlier, I believe we should work on an impeachment procedures bill or adding impeachment procedures to the constitution, rather then this proposal. Therefore I will be voting against it, and will seek to work in something regarding impeachments in the future.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Nay. (I have worked out an arrangement for this bill’s ideas to be brought up at the Constitutional Convention.)

Levantx

The Bill is than withdrawn?

- Abstain

Titanne

Legislative Recall Bill - S.B. 009 - Defeated

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]Senators can be inactive, as can MP’s it’s just the nature of the game. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t do anything about it. That is why I propose this bill to replace ineffective/inactive Senators.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]Any senator may propose a removal bill to remove one senator or MP from office. This bill must be approved by all but one of the members of the chamber it is proposed in. There are several safeguards to keeps from abuse of this power. A bill must be approved by at least two different political parties and in the case of a sole opposition, the bill cannot be enacted against them. A removal bill can only be proposed once per term in the Senate, and once per every two terms in the House. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]If it discovered that a removal bill was created to push someone with different beliefs out of their seat, they shall be punished by the High Court.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]It is up to the President and the Electoral Comissioner to decide how to proceed in case of a removal bill, they may do one of the following: leave the seat empty, appoint a replacement, or hold a snap election to determine the fate of the seat.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV]This bill will be enacted one week after the next general election.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: [0]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT), Albianis (TPU), Titanne (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [4]

Abstain: Levantx (TPU) [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

With 4 nays and 1 abstention, this bill is hereby defeated.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecia Military Defence Force Creation Act - S.B. 010

Authors: Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

Sponsors:Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

[spoiler=Preamble]

ACKNOWLEDGING the public opinion and social debate in the creation of a Military Defence Force.

DETERMINED to continue contributing towards interregional engagements and efforts of cooperation in political and military affairs.

HEREBY creates a Military Defence Force for the Region, on order to commit and contribute to the peace and security of Interregional sphere.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

° there shall be established a 'Minister of Defence' under the executive branch,

[list]- Whose duties shall be to create military policy, regarding the defence of our Region

- to engage in Military affairs, on domestic and interregional affairs

- to maintain and coordinate a Military Defence Force[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]° The Defence Force which shall be under the competence of the executive, from which the President shall be the Chief in Command, with the Minister of Defence as its operational Most Senior Officier, shall have the responsibility to defend the regions, and uphold interregional military engagements.

° the executive shall have the prerogative, and duty to engage in any defensive measures to secure the interests of the Region, and to maintain the sovereign integrity of the Region, and or its collective interests abroad.

° the executive shall at any time, when making use of the Military Force, for defensive and or offensive purpose continue to inform and interact with the legislator, as equal partners.

° the executive cannot, engage in any offensive military operations or engagements, without the expressive permission of the legislator, and by consensus of all executive ministers and senior officials.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol One]After the passage of the Bill by the legislator, according to its constitutional proceedings, the executive shall organise a non-binding referendum, asking the citizens opinion on the creation of a Military Force in Thaecia, on which the executive can determine its military policy agenda upon.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol Two]With the enactment of this legislative piece, and the executive implementation of this Law, the legislator advices strongly to employ at least a reasonable and reliable force of at least ten (10) military officers, in order to uphold the duties of the executive as is described by this Law.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Since this bill has 3 sponsorships, it shall be given priority in accordance with the Senate Procedures. Personal opinion: I am supportive of this bill, seems like a much more improved version of the previous military bill, although I still feel as if a military shouldn't be our priority as of right now. Either way, this bill seems good enough and will have my support.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Levantx, Xernon, Titanne

I actually would like to petition a motion to skip the debate,

as we have already discussed in full the normative aspects of the debate surrounding the military creation Act.

Also because a majority already supports the Bill, debate is practically not needed? Only of someone objects of course.

Titanne

Levantx wrote:I actually would like to petition a motion to skip the debate,

as we have already discussed in full the normative aspects of the debate surrounding the military creation Act.

Also because a majority already supports the Bill, debate is practically not needed? Only of someone objects of course.

Well our procedures don't really allow for us to skip the debate, however I will try my best to put this bill up for voting in 12 hours (which is the minimum amount of debate determined in the procedures).

Levantx

Statement of the Chairman of the Senate

Fellow Senators, I am proud to announce the selection of Levantx as the first ever Deputy Chairman of the Senate. The House of Commons recently passed our Senate Procedures bill, therefore this position is now official and so this was agreed on with TPU leadership. The role of the Deputy Chairman is to help out the Senate Chairman and take over in case I am not able to perform my duties for some reason. I am confident Levantx will be able to do a good job, as he has proven professionalism with his recent proposals to this Senate.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Levantx, Xernon, Titanne

New Cerdenia wrote:Well our procedures don't really allow for us to skip the debate, however I will try my best to put this bill up for voting in 12 hours (which is the minimum amount of debate determined in the procedures).

So, would now be a good time?

Thaecia Military Defence Force Creation Act - S.B. 010 - Voting

Authors: Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

Sponsors:Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

[spoiler=Preamble]

ACKNOWLEDGING the public opinion and social debate in the creation of a Military Defence Force.

DETERMINED to continue contributing towards interregional engagements and efforts of cooperation in political and military affairs.

HEREBY creates a Military Defence Force for the Region, on order to commit and contribute to the peace and security of Interregional sphere.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

° there shall be established a 'Minister of Defence' under the executive branch,

[list]- Whose duties shall be to create military policy, regarding the defence of our Region

- to engage in Military affairs, on domestic and interregional affairs

- to maintain and coordinate a Military Defence Force[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]° The Defence Force which shall be under the competence of the executive, from which the President shall be the Chief in Command, with the Minister of Defence as its operational Most Senior Officier, shall have the responsibility to defend the regions, and uphold interregional military engagements.

° the executive shall have the prerogative, and duty to engage in any defensive measures to secure the interests of the Region, and to maintain the sovereign integrity of the Region, and or its collective interests abroad.

° the executive shall at any time, when making use of the Military Force, for defensive and or offensive purpose continue to inform and interact with the legislator, as equal partners.

° the executive cannot, engage in any offensive military operations or engagements, without the expressive permission of the legislator, and by consensus of all executive ministers and senior officials.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol One]After the passage of the Bill by the legislator, according to its constitutional proceedings, the executive shall organise a non-binding referendum, asking the citizens opinion on the creation of a Military Force in Thaecia, on which the executive can determine its military policy agenda upon.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol Two]With the enactment of this legislative piece, and the executive implementation of this Law, the legislator advices strongly to employ at least a reasonable and reliable force of at least ten (10) military officers, in order to uphold the duties of the executive as is described by this Law.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Apologies for the delay. As I said on discord I was on a trip, and once I got home I ended up using my time just to look at the EU elections OwO. Things should get back to the regular schedule from now on though.

[Spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)

[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Levantx

Thaecia Military Defence Force Creation Act - S.B. 010 - Passed

Authors: Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

Sponsors:Greater Conexus - Titanne - Levantx

[spoiler=Preamble]

ACKNOWLEDGING the public opinion and social debate in the creation of a Military Defence Force.

DETERMINED to continue contributing towards interregional engagements and efforts of cooperation in political and military affairs.

HEREBY creates a Military Defence Force for the Region, on order to commit and contribute to the peace and security of Interregional sphere.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

° there shall be established a 'Minister of Defence' under the executive branch,

[list]- Whose duties shall be to create military policy, regarding the defence of our Region

- to engage in Military affairs, on domestic and interregional affairs

- to maintain and coordinate a Military Defence Force[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]° The Defence Force which shall be under the competence of the executive, from which the President shall be the Chief in Command, with the Minister of Defence as its operational Most Senior Officier, shall have the responsibility to defend the regions, and uphold interregional military engagements.

° the executive shall have the prerogative, and duty to engage in any defensive measures to secure the interests of the Region, and to maintain the sovereign integrity of the Region, and or its collective interests abroad.

° the executive shall at any time, when making use of the Military Force, for defensive and or offensive purpose continue to inform and interact with the legislator, as equal partners.

° the executive cannot, engage in any offensive military operations or engagements, without the expressive permission of the legislator, and by consensus of all executive ministers and senior officials.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol One]After the passage of the Bill by the legislator, according to its constitutional proceedings, the executive shall organise a non-binding referendum, asking the citizens opinion on the creation of a Military Force in Thaecia, on which the executive can determine its military policy agenda upon.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Protocol Two]With the enactment of this legislative piece, and the executive implementation of this Law, the legislator advices strongly to employ at least a reasonable and reliable force of at least ten (10) military officers, in order to uphold the duties of the executive as is described by this Law.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Greater Conexus (TSP), Titanne (TPU), Levantx (TPU) [4]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: Albianis (TPU) [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

With 4 ayes and 1 abstain, this bill hereby passes.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecia Government Petition System Bill - S.B. 011 - Debate

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=Preamble]This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

[list=a]

[*]Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

[list=I]

[*]This petition shall be in the form of a question

[*]This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

[*]This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

[*]This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

[/list]

[*]Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

[list=I]

[*]The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

[*]The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch

[/list][/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

[list=a]

[*]Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

[list=I]

[*]If said petition has reached 20 signatures

[*]If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

This bill requires the Prime Minister:

[list=a]

[*]To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

[list=I]

[*]This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President

[/list][/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. My personal opinion: When I originally read this bill I was against it, as I believed it was a rather complicated system and that it should be pretty easy to ask questions to the government. However, after re-reading it, I believe it could be a good way to give more power to the Citizen's, and helps us know more about what the government is doing in a regional crisis for example, in which the government could be hiding information from the people. In general it could be a good way to know what the government is doing and the government's plans to solve a regional problem. Plan to vote aye for this one.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

I shall vote in favour on the bill which lies now on the floor.

I think however that it has an overlapping function, with the possibility of any citizens to write as author, a Bill at any time. I this way the citizen already has the possibility to submit anything (in the form of legislation) to Congress. Okey it has to be sponsored, I do not think this is always an obstacle.

Still I shall vote FOR, because it will be an addition to the possibilities of any citizens, and also to ask clarification of the government branches, more direct democracy is more control to the citizens !

Levantx wrote:I shall vote in favour on the bill which lies now on the floor.

I think however that it has an overlapping function, with the possibility of any citizens to write as author, a Bill at any time. I this way the citizen already has the possibility to submit anything (in the form of legislation) to Congress. Okey it has to be sponsored, I do not think this is always an obstacle.

Still I shall vote FOR, because it will be an addition to the possibilities of any citizens, and also to ask clarification of the government branches, more direct democracy is more control to the citizens !

This petitions bill does allow for citizen's to propose bills without sponsorships. It allows citizen's to ask government related questions directly to the government, and the topic of their questions can be debated on the House of Commons or Senate.

Levantx, Titanne

Cerdenia wrote:This petitions bill does allow for citizen's to propose bills without sponsorships. It allows citizen's to ask government related questions directly to the government, and the topic of their questions can be debated on the House of Commons or Senate.

The bill does not allow citizens to propose bills, from my interpretation. It forces the HoC and Senate to discuss the issues brought up in the bill, but does not allow them to propose legislation. For this reason the bill will likely have my vote as AYE.

Titanne wrote:The bill does not allow citizens to propose bills, from my interpretation. It forces the HoC and Senate to discuss the issues brought up in the bill, but does not allow them to propose legislation. For this reason the bill will likely have my vote as AYE.

This was precisely my aim. For private citizens to ask questions and hold the Government to account. The previous petition system was a compromise between myself and Developing World's system. This one is my original proposal.

Fishergate

Titanne wrote:The bill does not allow citizens to propose bills, from my interpretation. It forces the HoC and Senate to discuss the issues brought up in the bill, but does not allow them to propose legislation. For this reason the bill will likely have my vote as AYE.

Oops apologies, just noticed I wrote that it "does allow", meant "doesen't". My bad.

Thaecia Government Petition System Bill - S.B. 011 - Voting

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=Preamble]This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

[list=a]

[*]Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

[list=I]

[*]This petition shall be in the form of a question

[*]This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

[*]This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

[*]This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

[/list]

[*]Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

[list=I]

[*]The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

[*]The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch

[/list][/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

[list=a]

[*]Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

[list=I]

[*]If said petition has reached 20 signatures

[*]If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

This bill requires the Prime Minister:

[list=a]

[*]To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

[list=I]

[*]This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President

[/list][/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

[Spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Golden York, Brototh

Titanne wrote:Cerdenia

Patience is a virtue.

Levantx, Titanne

Thaecia Government Petition System Bill - S.B. 011 - Passed

Author: Albianis

Sponsor: Albianis

[spoiler=Preamble]This is an act of the Thaecian Senate to require the formation of a system by which citizens of this nation can bring forward issues which will be debated on either the House or Senate floor upon reaching a certain amount of signatures.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I]

1. This bill allows citizens to:

[list=a]

[*]Post a petition as a dispatch created by the author, which can be subsequently advertised on the Regional Message Board (RMB)

[list=I]

[*]This petition shall be in the form of a question

[*]This petition shall be clearly addressed to either the House, Senate or Both

[*]This petition should raise an issue that can be addressed by either the Legislator or the Government

[*]This petition shall be appropriately labelled as a petition by the author

[/list]

[*]Sign petitions (as mentioned in 1a),

[list=I]

[*]The signature shall be in the form of the signatory’s nation’s name on the dispatch by which the petition has been made on,

[*]The signatory shall contact the author of the petition to add their nation to the dispatch

[/list][/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

This bill requires the Speaker of the House and the Chairman of the Senate to:

[list=a]

[*]Put to debate on the floor of the House/Senate the question asked in a petition,

[list=I]

[*]If said petition has reached 20 signatures

[*]If said petition is in the correct format (as per 1a)

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Speaker/Chairman requires the permission of the President[/list][/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

This bill requires the Prime Minister:

[list=a]

[*]To issue a government response to any petition that reaches 10 signatures

[list=I]

[*]This can be done through as a direct response to the petition on the RMB

[/list]

[*]The following are exceptions to 2a:

[list=I]

[*]If the petition is intended to waste the time of the legislator

[*]If the petition was created for the purpose of amusement for the author

[*]If the issue the petition raises has already been addressed

[/list]

[*]To enact an exception under 2b the Prime Minister requires the permission of the President

[/list][/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Albianis (TPU), Levantx (TPU), Titanne (TPU) [4]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: Greater Conexus [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

With 4 ayes and 1 abstain, this bill hereby passes.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecian Bar Association Act - S.B. 012

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]

To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I-The Bar Exam]

The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be 8 years of law school passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II- Rights and Duties]

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III- Public Defenders]

In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV- Negligence/Inactivity]

All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V- Record-keeping]

All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. My personal opinion: I like the idea of the bill, however believe there are some changes which must be made for it to be viable. First of all, I can't really understand the 8 years of law school, not like most people are going to even play this game for 8 years, seems like an unnecessary requirement which noone will be able to fufill. I also don't like the idea that the Justice Ministry is obliged to provide an attorney, I mean, if noone wants to represent the person let him just represent himself, we don't want to obligate anyone to represent someone.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Sorry for posting unannounced, but:

I apologize for the '8 years of law school' thing. I wrote that as a little joke to myself while writing it, and forgot to cut it out when I asked Titanne to sponsor it. Sorry for the confusion.

Levantx, Titanne

Rhyssua wrote:Sorry for posting unannounced, but:

I apologize for the '8 years of law school' thing. I wrote that as a little joke to myself while writing it, and forgot to cut it out when I asked Titanne to sponsor it. Sorry for the confusion.

You are allowed to post here as the author of the bill. Well then if possible I would like to request the correct version for that section, so that we won't need to use our time to vote on a separate amendment.

Here's the correct version. The only requirement will be passing the exam. Again, I apologize:

[spoiler]The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure. [/spoiler]

Obviously this bill has my support, I urge all other senators to vote aye as well, in order to quickly execute an important and critical part of Thaecia’s legal system.

[spoiler]Cerdenia

Albianis

Greater Conexus

Levantx[/spoiler]

Thaecian Bar Association Act - S.B. 012 - Updated Version

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]

To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I-The Bar Exam]

The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II- Rights and Duties]

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III- Public Defenders]

In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV- Negligence/Inactivity]

All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V- Record-keeping]

All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Updated version of the bill submitted by the author. Since it was proposed by the author no need for amendment voting.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Titanne

Thaecian Bar Association Act - S.B. 012 - Voting

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]

To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I-The Bar Exam]

The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II- Rights and Duties]

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III- Public Defenders]

In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV- Negligence/Inactivity]

All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V- Record-keeping]

All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

[Spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Islonia, Titanne

Why is the Senate tagged as Anime?

Thaecian Bar Association Act - S.B. 012 - Passed

Author: Rhyssua

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Preamble]

To ensure a fair trial, every citizen has the right to legal representation. However, there must be standards to make sure that said legal representation can serve the people of Thaecia properly. These standards shall be called the “Thaecian Bar Association”.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I-The Bar Exam]

The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket, and basic government structure.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II- Rights and Duties]

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following rights:

The right to choose their clients, unless they are a public defender. This right includes refusing to represent someone for personal reasons, biases, or conscientious objections.

All members of the Thaecian Bar Association have the following duties:

Attorneys must be active in the region at least once every ten days, so they’ll be aware when a potential client wants representation.

Attorneys must represent their clients to the best of their abilities. [/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III- Public Defenders]

In the event that a defendant wants legal representation, but can’t find an attorney, the Justice Ministry shall be obliged to provide an attorney, called a Public Defender. Attorneys may volunteer to serve as a public defender; if they do so, they may serve as long as they like, pending good behavior. By serving as a public defender, the nation waives their right to choose their clients.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV- Negligence/Inactivity]

All Thaecian lawyers must be able to accept clients and serve the people of Thaecia. Any member of the Bar Association that is unable to do this, or does so with deliberate negligence, will be subject to an inquiry from the Justice Minister and may face expulsion from the Bar Association if found to be negligent or inactive.

“Inactivity” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as not being on nationstates for at least once every ten days.

“Negligence” for a member of the Thaecian Bar Association will be defined as intentionally undermining a client’s case for any reason, be it personal, political, or otherwise.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article V- Record-keeping]

All current members of the Thaecian Bar Association will be listed in a factbook, which will be accessible to the public at all times. Nations needing representation may consult this factbook and contact the nations listed within it.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Levantx (TPU), Titanne (TPU), Albianis (TPU) [4]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: Greater Conexus (TSP) [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Debating

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article I]

The Prime Minister is hereby authorized to appoint a deputy minister for any minister that contacts them in advance about future inactivity outside of their control. This appointee must be confirmed by the House of Commons.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

The Deputy Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior at any time. This is the only job that Deputy Ministers have when their superiors are not inactive.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. My personal opinion: I don't see this bill as necessary at all, just extra bureaucracy. As of right now under our current system the Ministers are already allowed to pick a deputy to help them out, all this is doing is 1- Taking the minister's authority to appoint a deputy away and giving it to the PM and 2- requiring the House of Commons to confirm a deputy every time a minister may go inactive for a while, which is simply inefficient and a waste of time. Plan to vote nay to this one.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

- I agree with the Speaker Cerdenia on this one. The Bill adds again a confirmation layer for the House and Senate.

I believe that the Senate and House should focus on their primary duties, namely making law and not only controlling or appointing the executive. We are already overburdened.

In the current phase if this Bill I shall also vote against it. However if following amendment can be passed, this Bill can be an addition to the deputy issues.

AMENDMENT ONE - Change Article one as following:

"The Prime Minister is hereby authorized to appoint a deputy minister as Minister without the need of re-election, when the senior minister becomes inactive, and the House or Senate has impeached the said Minister on grounds of inactivity.

This can be called a "constructive impeachment"

At your opinion, Titanne

Titanne

I’d like to propose Levantx’s amendment. With the small addition of: this impeachment is temporary if it’s grounds are inactivity.

Titanne wrote:I’d like to propose Levantx’s amendment. With the small addition of: this impeachment is temporary if it’s grounds are inactivity.

To clarify about inactivity, I’ll like to add a clause that states the impeachment is temporary only if it’s grounds are inactivity due to an important, real life event.

Titanne

Greater Conexus wrote:To clarify about inactivity, I’ll like to add a clause that states the impeachment is temporary only if it’s grounds are inactivity due to an important, real life event.

The only problem that I have with it is that it’s very easy to lie and get away with it. A more general clause keeps the court from dealing with such trivial matters.

Also- Cerdenia, I forgot that the HoC bit was in there. I am going to ask that you remove it. To address your other concerns, I see your point, but the Prime Minister is elected literally for the point that they assign ministers. It would seem ineffective to me otherwise, as one person doing all of the similar jobs streamlines the process.

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Updated Version

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Article I]

The Prime Minister is hereby authorized to appoint a deputy minister as Minister without the need of re-election, when the senior minister becomes inactive, and the House or Senate has impeached the said Minister on grounds of inactivity. This impeachment is temporary if it’s grounds are inactivity.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

The Deputy Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior at any time. This is the only job that Deputy Ministers have when their superiors are not inactive.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill was updated as requested by the author, so no amendment voting was needed. I think it's still a bit confusing, could be re-worded though. I'll propose the following amendment:

Article I:

Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

I have nothing else to add, I agree if the amendments of the Speaker can be added.

- I also move therefor Mr. Speaker to a motion to end the debate, and start the voting on the Bill

Cerdenia, Titanne

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Amendment Voting

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Current Bill]

Article I

The Prime Minister is hereby authorized to appoint a deputy minister as Minister without the need of re-election, when the senior minister becomes inactive, and the House or Senate has impeached the said Minister on grounds of inactivity. This impeachment is temporary if it’s grounds are inactivity.

Article II

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.

Article III

The Deputy Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior at any time. This is the only job that Deputy Ministers have when their superiors are not inactive.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Amendment A

Author: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Article I:

Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Article III:

The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.

[/spoiler]

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Voting amendments now. I also added an additional change to article 3 on my amendment.

[Spoiler=Senators Left to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Amendment Passed

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

[spoiler=Current Bill]

Article I

The Prime Minister is hereby authorized to appoint a deputy minister as Minister without the need of re-election, when the senior minister becomes inactive, and the House or Senate has impeached the said Minister on grounds of inactivity. This impeachment is temporary if it’s grounds are inactivity.

Article II

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.

Article III

The Deputy Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior at any time. This is the only job that Deputy Ministers have when their superiors are not inactive.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Amendment A

Author: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Article I:

Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.

Article III:

The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.

[/spoiler]

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Titanne (TPU), Albianis (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [4]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: Levantx (TPU) [1]

______________________________________________________________________________________

This amendment has passed.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Voting

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]

Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

[Spoiler=Senators Left to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Aye, obviously.

Titanne wrote:Cerdenia

No need to ping me, patience is a virtue.

Titanne

Cerdenia wrote:No need to ping me, patience is a virtue.

But we all voted... for once...

Deputy Minister Act - S.B. 013 - Passed

Author: Titanne

Sponsor: Titanne

As Amended By: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Article I]

Section I

All ministers shall have the authority to choose a deputy minister for their respective ministries, this deputy must be approved by the Prime Minister. A minister shall be allowed to select his deputy to become "Interim Minister" of the area in which he acts, if the minister is to go inactive for personal reasons. An "Interim Minister" is able to act on behalf of his minister while occupying the job.

Section II

Should a minister go inactive for more then 10 days without prior announcement, the Prime Minister shall also be allowed to select the deputy of the inactive minister to become interim minister of the area in which he acts, being able to act on behalf of his minister during that time. Should the minister return after inactivity he will automatically retake his duties as a minister, and his deputy shall no longer be allowed to act on his behalf.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II]

The Deputy Minister shall have the following powers in case of their superior’s excused absence. The Foreign Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over embassies. The Culture Deputy Minister and Deputy Electoral Commissioner shall have power over polls. The Home Affairs Deputy Minister shall have power over Communications, and the Justice Deputy Minister shall have power over Border Control.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III]

The Interim Minister of any given department may preside at a Ministerial Hearing instead of their superior while acting on his behalf.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Levantx (TPU), Titanne (TPU), Albianis (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [5]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

With 5 ayes this bill passes unanimously.

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecian Representation in the Regions Assembly Act - S.B. 014 - Debate

Author: Cerdenia

Sponsor: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Preamble]Noticing the recent passage of "The Charter Of The Regions Assembly" in the Senate and House of Commons of Thaecia, this bill seeks to establish official procedures to determine the selection of Thaecia's representative to the Regions Assembly, which defines in Article 3 Subsection 1 of it's charter that each individual region has the right to a permanent representative to it's General Assembly.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I: Selection of the Representative]

Section I

The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the President at the start of his/her term, and confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. The President shall be obliged to propose an RA Representative within 15 days into his term, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section II

The President shall reserve the authority to propose the dismissal of the RA Representative, which must again be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. If an RA Representative is dismissed, the President shall be obliged to propose a new RA Representative within 10 days of the dismissal of the former represenative, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section III

Should a RA Representative resign, the same procedures set in Article I Section II regarding the proposal of a new replacement must be followed by the President.

Section IV

For the sake of this bill, the rules set out in the Position Restrictions Act (L.R. 004), shall not be applied to the RA Representative. Any individual in government shall be allowed to occupy this position without facing any restrictions.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II: Representative's Duties]

Section I

The RA Representative shall have the duty of representing Thaecia in the Regions Assembly's General Assembly, through the means of voting on resolutions and proposing resolutions if necessary, in accordance with Article III of the Regions Assembly Charter

Section II

The RA Representative shall be encouraged to communicate with the Thaecian Government in order to cast his votes based on what will have greater benefit to the region.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III: Representative's Term]

Section I

The RA Representative shall serve for the duration of the presidency in which he/she was nominated. Should a President be reelected he/she must either nominate a new representative or put the current representative up for a re-confirmation vote, following the procedures set out in Article I for the nomination of RA Representatives.

Section II

An RA Representative shall not be automatically removed from office should a President resign or be impeached, unless dismissed by the President under the procedures set out in Article I.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. This bill is mine so y'all probably already know my opinion on it xD

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

New Cerdenia wrote:Thaecian Representation in the Regions Assembly Act - S.B. 014 - Debate

Author: Cerdenia

Sponsor: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Preamble]Noticing the recent passage of "The Charter Of The Regions Assembly" in the Senate and House of Commons of Thaecia, this bill seeks to establish official procedures to determine the selection of Thaecia's representative to the Regions Assembly, which defines in Article 3 Subsection 1 of it's charter that each individual region has the right to a permanent representative to it's General Assembly.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I: Selection of the Representative]

Section I

The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the President at the start of his/her term, and confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. The President shall be obliged to propose an RA Representative within 15 days into his term, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section II

The President shall reserve the authority to propose the dismissal of the RA Representative, which must again be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. If an RA Representative is dismissed, the President shall be obliged to propose a new RA Representative within 10 days of the dismissal of the former represenative, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section III

Should a RA Representative resign, the same procedures set in Article I Section II regarding the proposal of a new replacement must be followed by the President.

Section IV

For the sake of this bill, the rules set out in the Position Restrictions Act (L.R. 004), shall not be applied to the RA Representative. Any individual in government shall be allowed to occupy this position without facing any restrictions.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II: Representative's Duties]

Section I

The RA Representative shall have the duty of representing Thaecia in the Regions Assembly's General Assembly, through the means of voting on resolutions and proposing resolutions if necessary, in accordance with Article III of the Regions Assembly Charter

Section II

The RA Representative shall be encouraged to communicate with the Thaecian Government in order to cast his votes based on what will have greater benefit to the region.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III: Representative's Term]

Section I

The RA Representative shall serve for the duration of the presidency in which he/she was nominated. Should a President be reelected he/she must either nominate a new representative or put the current representative up for a re-confirmation vote, following the procedures set out in Article I for the nomination of RA Representatives.

Section II

An RA Representative shall not be automatically removed from office should a President resign or be impeached, unless dismissed by the President under the procedures set out in Article I.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. This bill is mine so y'all probably already know my opinion on it xD

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

I see no problem with this bill, and I plan to vote in favor of this one.

Cerdenia

Post self-deleted by Titanne.

Mr. Speaker, Dear Colleagues

I believe that the current Bill in the Senate is a Bill which shall result in a split of our Foreign Policy between the Minister and the President. Where in the past until today the Foreign Minister was and is the only executive officer who can appoint and dismiss ambassadors, and which can also be hold accountable by the Senate and or House, trough Hearings and Impeachments.

The Bill which lies before you today shall end this democratic control of the Legislative in matters of Foreign Policy of extreme importance namely our representation towards the Interregional Community. The President is not obliged to present himself during Congressional hearings, his Foreign Policy agenda which shall be executed by this "RA Representative" cannot be controlled by the House and Senate. More Congress cannot even dismiss this RA Rep., this all falls under the shoulders of a vague and ceremonial President, who actually has no constitutional power.

I encourage all my colleagues to vote down this Bill. The system which is no in place. Where the Foreign Minister is in charge of our Foreign Policy Agenda, and thus also appoints and dismiss ambassadors and diplomats, is a good and democratic controlled system. I also call upon our Foreign Minister, Mr. Speaker, to appoint in his capacity as he already has according to the Constitution, and many precedents to appoint an ambassador and a team of diplomats to represent us to the Regions Assembly.

Titanne

Levantx wrote:Mr. Speaker, Dear Colleagues

I believe that the current Bill in the Senate is a Bill which shall result in a split of our Foreign Policy between the Minister and the President. Where in the past until today the Foreign Minister was and is the only executive officer who can appoint and dismiss ambassadors, and which can also be hold accountable by the Senate and or House, trough Hearings and Impeachments.

The Bill which lies before you today shall end this democratic control of the Legislative in matters of Foreign Policy of extreme importance namely our representation towards the Interregional Community. The President is not obliged to present himself during Congressional hearings, his Foreign Policy agenda which shall be executed by this "RA Representative" cannot be controlled by the House and Senate. More Congress cannot even dismiss this RA Rep., this all falls under the shoulders of a vague and ceremonial President, who actually has no constitutional power.

I encourage all my colleagues to vote down this Bill. The system which is no in place. Where the Foreign Minister is in charge of our Foreign Policy Agenda, and thus also appoints and dismiss ambassadors and diplomats, is a good and democratic controlled system. I also call upon our Foreign Minister, Mr. Speaker, to appoint in his capacity as he already has according to the Constitution, and many precedents to appoint an ambassador and a team of diplomats to represent us to the Regions Assembly.

Well Mr. Senator, with all due respect the current system is not democratic at all. Under our current system we can not impeach ambassadors either, since they are not legally government officials, it is not really a democratic system because we don't elect the Foreign Affairs Minister nor the Ambassador (while under my proposed system the RA Representative nominated by the President would need to be confirmed through a regional poll, thus making it more democratic).

With this system a citzen would know exactly what Thaecia's Foreign Policy would be through electing the President, it would encourage more campaigning regarding what stance a presidential candidate has for regional diplomacy.

Cerdenia wrote:....

With this system a citzen would know exactly what Thaecia's Foreign Policy would be through electing the President, it would encourage more campaigning regarding what stance a presidential candidate has for regional diplomacy.

I think my Right Honorable friend for his contribution to this debate. However Mr Speaker in my reply, my point of view is different than his. I agree that the RA Rep. as is proposed gives more democratic image because of its confirmation. Democracy doesn't stop when appointed!

The Ambassadors, which are employed by the Foreign Minister, are accountable to the Minister, and the Minister is again accountable to the Legislature trough Ministerial Hearings. This chain of accountability comes with the Possibility of impeachment and or discharge of the senior official.

The RA Rep. has no accountability to the Legislature. The President is not accountable trough hearings or others in Congress. We cannot impeach a sitting President or a Prime Minister as these positions are elected by citizens. A Minister however is confirmed by Congress and is Controlled by Congress. A democratic check is installed in this case.

That is why I am encouraging Senators not to vote in favour of this Bill. So that the MoFA finally receives the signal of the Senate. A signal that he is already enjoying the trust of this Chamber and he can move to a formal appointment of an Ambassador to the Regions Assembly, as he has already done in the past. When he appoints an ambassador he shall also be accountable for the actions in the Regions Assembly and question the Minister for the set policy. Which we could not do if this Bill passes.

The Right Honourable friend did not mention my first argument of a split foreign policy in the region when we open the door for the President to meddle in Foreign Policy instead of giving this domain also in one inclusive managed foreign policy controlled by the Foreign Affairs Departement. I believe that it is better for our interregional credibility to have one person or departement represent us. Not a split representation by one side the President and on the other the Foreign Affair Minister.

Thank You, Mr Speaker.

Levantx wrote:Mr. Speaker, [spoiler]Dear Colleagues

I believe that the current Bill in the Senate is a Bill which shall result in a split of our Foreign Policy between the Minister and the President. Where in the past until today the Foreign Minister was and is the only executive officer who can appoint and dismiss ambassadors, and which can also be hold accountable by the Senate and or House, trough Hearings and Impeachments.

The Bill which lies before you today shall end this democratic control of the Legislative in matters of Foreign Policy of extreme importance namely our representation towards the Interregional Community. The President is not obliged to present himself during Congressional hearings, his Foreign Policy agenda which shall be executed by this "RA Representative" cannot be controlled by the House and Senate. More Congress cannot even dismiss this RA Rep., this all falls under the shoulders of a vague and ceremonial President, who actually has no constitutional power.

I encourage all my colleagues to vote down this Bill. The system which is no in place. Where the Foreign Minister is in charge of our Foreign Policy Agenda, and thus also appoints and dismiss ambassadors and diplomats, is a good and democratic controlled system. I also call upon our Foreign Minister, Mr. Speaker, to appoint in his capacity as he already has according to the Constitution, and many precedents to appoint an ambassador and a team of diplomats to represent us to the Regions Assembly.

[/spoiler]

Thank you Levantx, for an excellent argument that changed my mind.

Levantx

Levantx wrote:I think my Right Honorable friend for his contribution to this debate. However Mr Speaker in my reply, my point of view is different than his. I agree that the RA Rep. as is proposed gives more democratic image because of its confirmation. Democracy doesn't stop when appointed!

The Ambassadors, which are employed by the Foreign Minister, are accountable to the Minister, and the Minister is again accountable to the Legislature trough Ministerial Hearings. This chain of accountability comes with the Possibility of impeachment and or discharge of the senior official.

The RA Rep. has no accountability to the Legislature. The President is not accountable trough hearings or others in Congress. We cannot impeach a sitting President or a Prime Minister as these positions are elected by citizens. A Minister however is confirmed by Congress and is Controlled by Congress. A democratic check is installed in this case.

That is why I am encouraging Senators not to vote in favour of this Bill. So that the MoFA finally receives the signal of the Senate. A signal that he is already enjoying the trust of this Chamber and he can move to a formal appointment of an Ambassador to the Regions Assembly, as he has already done in the past. When he appoints an ambassador he shall also be accountable for the actions in the Regions Assembly and question the Minister for the set policy. Which we could not do if this Bill passes.

The Right Honourable friend did not mention my first argument of a split foreign policy in the region when we open the door for the President to meddle in Foreign Policy instead of giving this domain also in one inclusive managed foreign policy controlled by the Foreign Affairs Departement. I believe that it is better for our interregional credibility to have one person or departement represent us. Not a split representation by one side the President and on the other the Foreign Affair Minister.

Thank You, Mr Speaker.

Well the thing isn't that they can't be impeached, but rather that no individual in government can be impeached under our current laws. There is no law or anything in the constitution which explains impeachment procedures, and so this is something that definetly must be adressed in the constitutional convention.

But well, hearing the concerns of my fellow senators I will be adding the two following changes to the bill and you guys tell me what you think of it, since I am the author this changes won't need to be voted on, but I would still like to hear the opinion of the other senators:

1st Change:

Add Article IV with the following:

"The RA Representative shall be considered a government official, and so shall be subject to any current or future impeachment procedures."

Change Article I to the following:

"The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the President at the start of his/her term, confirmed by the Foreign Affairs Minister and finally confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days..."

*Bold Indicates New Addition

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Levantx

Cerdenia, I thank you for the amendments you proposed based on our concerns. The Adjustment would indeed solve my main objections on the Bill.

i would still urge, leave out the President entirely out of the Bill. I do not object that the term of the RA Rep. can by in sync with that of the President. That is not the problem in my view. I would however propose the President is not charged with the "selection" of the RA Rep. But the Foreign Affairs Minister in consultation with the Regional Government (or the PM).

If this is the case we as Congress can hold the Foreign Affairs Minister accountable (during hearings), a it is his selection. If the Senators feels to combine the term sync with that of the President the Bill will still receive my support with these adjustments. However it would be only logic according to the made changes, that the term service is linked with that of the PM (as part of the Government) and the one who elects mostly a New Foreign Affairs Minister when he is elected, and thus possible also a new RA Rep, instead of that of the President?

[spoiler=AMENDMENT 3]Change Article I to the following:

"The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the Foreign Affairs Minister, which shall occur alongside the election of a Prime Minister and thus the inauguration of a new Regional Government. The RA Representative shall finally be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days..."[/spoiler]

Thaecian Representation in the Regions Assembly Act - S.B. 014 - Amendment Voting

Author: Cerdenia

Sponsor: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Current Bill]

Preamble:

Noticing the recent passage of "The Charter Of The Regions Assembly" in the Senate and House of Commons of Thaecia, this bill seeks to establish official procedures to determine the selection of Thaecia's representative to the Regions Assembly, which defines in Article 3 Subsection 1 of it's charter that each individual region has the right to a permanent representative to it's General Assembly.

Article I: Selection of the Representative:

Section I

The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the President at the start of his/her term, and confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. The President shall be obliged to propose an RA Representative within 15 days into his term, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section II

The President shall reserve the authority to propose the dismissal of the RA Representative, which must again be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. If an RA Representative is dismissed, the President shall be obliged to propose a new RA Representative within 10 days of the dismissal of the former represenative, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section III

Should a RA Representative resign, the same procedures set in Article I Section II regarding the proposal of a new replacement must be followed by the President.

Section IV

For the sake of this bill, the rules set out in the Position Restrictions Act (L.R. 004), shall not be applied to the RA Representative. Any individual in government shall be allowed to occupy this position without facing any restrictions.

Article II: Representative's Duties:

Section I

The RA Representative shall have the duty of representing Thaecia in the Regions Assembly's General Assembly, through the means of voting on resolutions and proposing resolutions if necessary, in accordance with Article III of the Regions Assembly Charter

Section II

The RA Representative shall be encouraged to communicate with the Thaecian Government in order to cast his votes based on what will have greater benefit to the region.

Article III: Representative's Term:

Section I

The RA Representative shall serve for the duration of the presidency in which he/she was nominated. Should a President be reelected he/she must either nominate a new representative or put the current representative up for a re-confirmation vote, following the procedures set out in Article I for the nomination of RA Representatives.

Section II

An RA Representative shall not be automatically removed from office should a President resign or be impeached, unless dismissed by the President under the procedures set out in Article I.

Article IV:

The RA Representative shall be considered a government official, and so shall be subject to any current or future impeachment procedures.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Amendment A

Author: Levantx

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Change Article I to the following:

"The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the Foreign Affairs Minister, which shall occur alongside the election of a Prime Minister and thus the inauguration of a new Regional Government. The RA Representative shall finally be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days..."

[/spoiler]

Aye: [0]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Abstain: [0]

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I am going to be voting against this amendment. I would like to clarify my intent with adding the President as the person who would pick the Foreign Affairs Minister. As of right now I have had a feeling that the office of President has been... let's say "abandoned". The President seems to mainly end up getting involved with World Assembly related stuff, but I feel like he could play a more active role, and my idea with he being the one to appoint the representative was that. Why should we have a President just as a cerimonial role? Don't see any reason to keep passing duties over to the PM, for the first few months of his term our incubent PM had a lot of stuff to do because of all of the responsabilities that the PM has (appointing ministers, justices, figuring out the crisis we had in the Senate, etc), in general it's can be a hard job, and I don't think we should keep giving him more duties. I mean even though it is the FAM who picks the representative, the PM does have to be sure to get a FAM who will serve the interest of the government, otherwise we will have the same split in diplomacy mentioned earlier.

[Spoiler=Senators (5)]

Cerdenia (PPT)

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecian Representation in the Regions Assembly Act - S.B. 014 - Amendment Voting Results

Author: Cerdenia

Sponsor: Cerdenia

[spoiler=Current Bill]

Preamble:

Noticing the recent passage of "The Charter Of The Regions Assembly" in the Senate and House of Commons of Thaecia, this bill seeks to establish official procedures to determine the selection of Thaecia's representative to the Regions Assembly, which defines in Article 3 Subsection 1 of it's charter that each individual region has the right to a permanent representative to it's General Assembly.

Article I: Selection of the Representative:

Section I

The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the President at the start of his/her term, and confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. The President shall be obliged to propose an RA Representative within 15 days into his term, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section II

The President shall reserve the authority to propose the dismissal of the RA Representative, which must again be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. If an RA Representative is dismissed, the President shall be obliged to propose a new RA Representative within 10 days of the dismissal of the former represenative, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The President shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section III

Should a RA Representative resign, the same procedures set in Article I Section II regarding the proposal of a new replacement must be followed by the President.

Section IV

For the sake of this bill, the rules set out in the Position Restrictions Act (L.R. 004), shall not be applied to the RA Representative. Any individual in government shall be allowed to occupy this position without facing any restrictions.

Article II: Representative's Duties:

Section I

The RA Representative shall have the duty of representing Thaecia in the Regions Assembly's General Assembly, through the means of voting on resolutions and proposing resolutions if necessary, in accordance with Article III of the Regions Assembly Charter

Section II

The RA Representative shall be encouraged to communicate with the Thaecian Government in order to cast his votes based on what will have greater benefit to the region.

Article III: Representative's Term:

Section I

The RA Representative shall serve for the duration of the presidency in which he/she was nominated. Should a President be reelected he/she must either nominate a new representative or put the current representative up for a re-confirmation vote, following the procedures set out in Article I for the nomination of RA Representatives.

Section II

An RA Representative shall not be automatically removed from office should a President resign or be impeached, unless dismissed by the President under the procedures set out in Article I.

Article IV:

The RA Representative shall be considered a government official, and so shall be subject to any current or future impeachment procedures.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Amendment A

Author: Levantx

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Change Article I to the following:

"The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the Foreign Affairs Minister, which shall occur alongside the election of a Prime Minister and thus the inauguration of a new Regional Government. The RA Representative shall finally be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days..."

[/spoiler]

Aye: Levantx (TPU), Titanne (TPU), Albianis (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP)[4]

Nay: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Thaecian Representation in the Regions Assembly Act - S.B. 014 - Voting

Author: Cerdenia

Sponsor: Cerdenia

As Amended By: Levantx

[spoiler=Preamble]Noticing the recent passage of "The Charter Of The Regions Assembly" in the Senate and House of Commons of Thaecia, this bill seeks to establish official procedures to determine the selection of Thaecia's representative to the Regions Assembly, which defines in Article 3 Subsection 1 of it's charter that each individual region has the right to a permanent representative to it's General Assembly.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article I: Selection of the Representative]

Section I

The Representative of Thaecia to the Regions Assembly (which shall be referred to as RA Representative) shall be selected by the Foreign Affairs Minister, which shall occur alongside the election of a Prime Minister and thus the inauguration of a new Regional Government. The RA Representative shall finally be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. The Foreign Affairs Minister shall be obliged to propose an RA Representative within 15 days into his term, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The Foreign Affairs Minister shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section II

The Foreign Affairs Minister shall reserve the authority to propose the dismissal of the RA Representative, which must again be confirmed by a majority of voting citizens at a public vote with a duration of 3 days. If an RA Representative is dismissed, the Foreign Affairs Minister shall be obliged to propose a new RA Representative within 10 days of the dismissal of the former represenative, this obligation may be extended by 5 days should a nomination fail. The Foreign Affairs Minister shall not be allowed to nominate the same person again if the person's nomination fails the public vote.

Section III

Should a RA Representative resign, the same procedures set in Article I Section II regarding the proposal of a new replacement must be followed by the Foreign Affairs minister.

Section IV

For the sake of this bill, the rules set out in the Position Restrictions Act (L.R. 004), shall not be applied to the RA Representative. Any individual in government shall be allowed to occupy this position without facing any restrictions.

[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article II: Representative's Duties]

Section I

The RA Representative shall have the duty of representing Thaecia in the Regions Assembly's General Assembly, through the means of voting on resolutions and proposing resolutions if necessary, in accordance with Article III of the Regions Assembly Charter

Section II

The RA Representative shall be encouraged to communicate with the Thaecian Government in order to cast his votes based on what will have greater benefit to the region.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article III: Representative's Term]

Section I

The RA Representative shall serve for the duration of the government in which he/she was nominated. After the start of a new government the Foreign Affairs Minister shall have to nominate a new representative or put the current representative up for a re-confirmation vote, following the procedures set out in Article I for the nomination of RA Representatives.

Section II

An RA Representative shall not be automatically removed from office should a Foreign Affairs Minister resign or be impeached, unless dismissed by the Foreign Affairs Minister under the procedures set out in Article I.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Article IV: Impeachments]

The RA Representative shall be considered a government official, and so shall be subject to any current or future impeachment procedures[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________

Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]

Nay: [0]

Abstain: [0]

______________________________________________________________________________________

[Spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]

Levantx (TPU)

Titanne (TPU)

Albianis (TPU)

Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]

Cerdenia,

Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia

Chairman of the Senate

Deputy Prime Minister

Senator

Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.