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Region: The Thaecian Senate
Great! I am in agreement with you on this one, Cerdenia. If citizens find a reason to get a president or PM out of office, they can recommend that Senators begin the process of impeachment, or bring the problem to the attention of the people and not vote for the incumbent. This bill is rendered useless to me by this fact.
Xernon
These kind of protections add a certain Roleplay element to the politics of this region, yet it highly unlikely to be practical. These kind of protections are afforded to governments in real life that dramatically affect people's lives. I think, although a fun hobby, when we take a step back from our keyboards we do realise this is just NS.
This bill would also greatly reduces our pool of political candidates for these positions, it presumes constant growth and consistent growth in political interest.
I forget whether or not I supported this last time round. I definitely support this in principle but those principles don't apply hear, it like me ranting about free markets when we don't really have an economy on here, it's simply not practical in my opinion.
The Marconian State, Cerdenia, Xernon
Term Limits Act - H.B. 003 - Voting
Author: Korsinia
Sponsor: Korsinia
As Amended By: Rayekka and Developing World
[spoiler=Preamble]
Understanding that the President and Prime Minister can serve unlimited amounts of terms, with no breaks in between. Justices can sit as long as they like with no election of their positions. Hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I: President and PM term limits]
Individual citizens of Thaecia may serve an a maximum of two (2) consecutive terms as Prime Minister and a maximum of two (2) consecutive terms as President.If a Prime Minister or President loses or does not stand for re-election they cannot serve another term in that position at any time. Should the need for impeachment be necessary, it can be done through 2/3rds support in the House of Commons and 2/3rds support in the Senate. Impeachment proceedings can be started by either chamber of Congress. If the President or the Prime Minister retires after one term or loses re election he can not run for this offices for 5 months[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article II: Defining term]
Defining term to be the period after the day of the Presidential/Prime Minister elections, to the day before the next elections.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III: Justice hearings]
The Justices of Thaecia will be re-evaluated through a hearing in the Senate and re-confirmed by the Senate every 6 months. An absolute majority is required to re-confirm a Justice. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV: Justice impeachment]
Should a Justice not be fit for their position, the Senate can impeach them with a 2/3rds majority. Justices are deemed not fit for their position if they have committed a felony in Thaecia or are inactive for 28 days or longer. If the 2/3rd majority for impeachment is not reached, but a 1/2 majority is, the Senate will recomend the resignation of that certain Justice[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: [0]
Nay: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators Left to Vote (3)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)
Vacant[/spoiler]
Since no amendments were submited I decided to go straight to voting phase.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Xernon, Titanne
Nay
Xernon, Titanne
Nay
Xernon
Term Limits Act - H.B. 003 - Defeated
Author: Korsinia
Sponsor: Korsinia
As Amended By: Rayekka and Developing World
[spoiler=Preamble]
Understanding that the President and Prime Minister can serve unlimited amounts of terms, with no breaks in between. Justices can sit as long as they like with no election of their positions. Hereby enacts the following:[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I: President and PM term limits]
Individual citizens of Thaecia may serve an a maximum of two (2) consecutive terms as Prime Minister and a maximum of two (2) consecutive terms as President.If a Prime Minister or President loses or does not stand for re-election they cannot serve another term in that position at any time. Should the need for impeachment be necessary, it can be done through 2/3rds support in the House of Commons and 2/3rds support in the Senate. Impeachment proceedings can be started by either chamber of Congress. If the President or the Prime Minister retires after one term or loses re election he can not run for this offices for 5 months[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article II: Defining term]
Defining term to be the period after the day of the Presidential/Prime Minister elections, to the day before the next elections.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III: Justice hearings]
The Justices of Thaecia will be re-evaluated through a hearing in the Senate and re-confirmed by the Senate every 6 months. An absolute majority is required to re-confirm a Justice. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV: Justice impeachment]
Should a Justice not be fit for their position, the Senate can impeach them with a 2/3rds majority. Justices are deemed not fit for their position if they have committed a felony in Thaecia or are inactive for 28 days or longer. If the 2/3rd majority for impeachment is not reached, but a 1/2 majority is, the Senate will recomend the resignation of that certain Justice[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: [0]
Nay: Cerdenia (PPT), Albianis (TPU), Titanne (TPU) [3]
Abstain: Greater Conexus (TSP) [1]
______________________________________________________________________________________
I have decided to close this voting earlier since all Senators have logged on since I initiated the voting. With 3 nays and 1 abstention, H.B. 003 hereby fails.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Position Restrictions Act - S.B. 002 - Debate
Author: Cerdenia
Sponsor: Cerdenia
As Amended By: Fishergate & The Marconian State
[spoiler=Preamble]
Recognizing a lack of regulation on the occupation of multiple positions by the same person. With this bill the parliament seeks to create reasonable restrictions to the occupation of government positions, in order to allow for more people to get involved on our regional politics and to prevent any conflicts of interest. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I - High Court Justices]
The Chief Justice and Associate Justices of the High Court may only be allowed to hold their positions as justices. Justices shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler= Article II - President and Prime Minister]
The President and the Prime Minister may only be allowed to hold their respective positions. The President and the Prime Minister shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III - Ministers]
The Ministers of Home Affairs; Foreign Affairs; Justice; Culture;Roleplay and any future ones created, shall only be allowed to hold their position as minister and either the position of Member of Parliament or Senator at the same time. Ministers may not be allowed to occupy 2 ministries or be both a Senator and Member of Parliament at the same time. Ministers shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV - Senators and Members of Parliament]
Senators and Members of Parliament may only be allowed to hold their respective positions and any other extentions to them (Speaker and Leader of the Opposition for Members of Parliament, Chairman of the Senate and Shadow Chairman for Senators). They shall also be allowed to hold the position of a minister, or either the position of a deputy minister or deputy Prime Minister. Senators and Members of Parliament shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article V - Grandfathering]
Those nations who are in contravention of articles III and IV of this law, but who held their positions prior to this law's passing, shall be exempt from the terms of this law for the remainder of their present Congressional term. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article VI - Voting on One's Own Nomination]
Individual members of the legislative branch are compelled to vote abstain or present in the case of themselves being nominated to a ministerial position, or the vote on being fired from their ministerial position. [/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators (4)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)
Vacant[/spoiler]
We previously passed this bill in the Senate and it went to the House, where they passed 2 amendments, and as such it is required that we vote on this bill once more. As I wrote this bill I believe it is pretty obvious that I support it, both amendments approved are fine and I am willing to back the bill with them.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
I am very much in favor of this bill. Its an important part of checks & balances, as well as diversity in the government, which as you may have noticed, is a major theme of this term for me.
Cerdenia
Position Restrictions Act - S.B. 002 - Voting
Author: Cerdenia
Sponsor: Cerdenia
As Amended By: Fishergate & The Marconian State
[spoiler=Preamble]
Recognizing a lack of regulation on the occupation of multiple positions by the same person. With this bill the parliament seeks to create reasonable restrictions to the occupation of government positions, in order to allow for more people to get involved on our regional politics and to prevent any conflicts of interest. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I - High Court Justices]
The Chief Justice and Associate Justices of the High Court may only be allowed to hold their positions as justices. Justices shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler= Article II - President and Prime Minister]
The President and the Prime Minister may only be allowed to hold their respective positions. The President and the Prime Minister shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III - Ministers]
The Ministers of Home Affairs; Foreign Affairs; Justice; Culture;Roleplay and any future ones created, shall only be allowed to hold their position as minister and either the position of Member of Parliament or Senator at the same time. Ministers may not be allowed to occupy 2 ministries or be both a Senator and Member of Parliament at the same time. Ministers shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV - Senators and Members of Parliament]
Senators and Members of Parliament may only be allowed to hold their respective positions and any other extentions to them (Speaker and Leader of the Opposition for Members of Parliament, Chairman of the Senate and Shadow Chairman for Senators). They shall also be allowed to hold the position of a minister, or either the position of a deputy minister or deputy Prime Minister. Senators and Members of Parliament shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article V - Grandfathering]
Those nations who are in contravention of articles III and IV of this law, but who held their positions prior to this law's passing, shall be exempt from the terms of this law for the remainder of their present Congressional term. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article VI - Voting on One's Own Nomination]
Individual members of the legislative branch are compelled to vote abstain or present in the case of themselves being nominated to a ministerial position, or the vote on being fired from their ministerial position. [/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators Left to Vote (3)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)
Vacant[/spoiler]
Well seems like there wasn't much debate on this bill unfortunately, therefore I will be putting it for voting now.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Aye.
Aye
Position Restrictions Act - S.B. 002 - Passed
Author: Cerdenia
Sponsor: Cerdenia
As Amended By: Fishergate & The Marconian State
[spoiler=Preamble]
Recognizing a lack of regulation on the occupation of multiple positions by the same person. With this bill the parliament seeks to create reasonable restrictions to the occupation of government positions, in order to allow for more people to get involved on our regional politics and to prevent any conflicts of interest. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I - High Court Justices]
The Chief Justice and Associate Justices of the High Court may only be allowed to hold their positions as justices. Justices shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler= Article II - President and Prime Minister]
The President and the Prime Minister may only be allowed to hold their respective positions. The President and the Prime Minister shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III - Ministers]
The Ministers of Home Affairs; Foreign Affairs; Justice; Culture;Roleplay and any future ones created, shall only be allowed to hold their position as minister and either the position of Member of Parliament or Senator at the same time. Ministers may not be allowed to occupy 2 ministries or be both a Senator and Member of Parliament at the same time. Ministers shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article IV - Senators and Members of Parliament]
Senators and Members of Parliament may only be allowed to hold their respective positions and any other extentions to them (Speaker and Leader of the Opposition for Members of Parliament, Chairman of the Senate and Shadow Chairman for Senators). They shall also be allowed to hold the position of a minister, or either the position of a deputy minister or deputy Prime Minister. Senators and Members of Parliament shall therefore be prohibited from occupying other positions in government not already listed on this section. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article V - Grandfathering]
Those nations who are in contravention of articles III and IV of this law, but who held their positions prior to this law's passing, shall be exempt from the terms of this law for the remainder of their present Congressional term. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article VI - Voting on One's Own Nomination]
Individual members of the legislative branch are compelled to vote abstain or present in the case of themselves being nominated to a ministerial position, or the vote on being fired from their ministerial position. [/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Titanne (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [3]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: Albianis (TPU) [1]
______________________________________________________________________________________
With 3 ayes and 1 abstain, S.B. 002 officially passes and hereby becomes law.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
The Nomination of Rhyssua for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Debate
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators (4)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)
Vacant[/spoiler]
In accordance with the Thaecian Constitution, the Senate must confirm the appointment of the Prime Minister. We are now on debate phase, during this phase I would encourage all senators to ask questions to the nominee, similar to Saint Ryvern's nomination. I really hope we can do some good debating this time. Justices must be experienced people, and this is the perfect time to wheter the nominee really is prepared for the job.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Andusre
I'll start us off with a simple question: Rhyssua why do you want this position?
Of course being the nominee Rhyssua is allowed to speak on this RMB for the time being. My question to the nominee is: I've seen you around for quite a while and remember seeing you run for the House of Commons as an independent last time around, however I don't believe you have previously occupied any position here in Thaecia, so I would like to ask: How can the people be sure about your experience for such a high ranking position? Have you ever occupied any other positions elsewhere in NationStates?
I want this position because I'd like the chance to participate in Thaecian government, and make a difference in how the region runs. Ever since I joined Thaecia, I've been interested in regional government, and earning a position within it. After a good bit of reading, I decided that the judiciary looked like the best fit for me.
I'll be honest; I don't have much experience outside of Thaecia. The only experience I had with regional government before joining Thaecia was as the border control officer for a small region made mainly of my friends (it no longer exists). The only significant things I did there were password-protect it after I read about raiders, and ban a few puppets that were influencing elections. As for how the people can be sure about my experience, I can only say that I'll do my best, and that I'm familiar with how our government operates. I'm sure that Chief Justice Saint Ryvern and the other associate justice will be able to help if I do come across a problem that might be beyond me.
Cerdenia, Xernon
Hello Rhyssua, I am very happy to see you nominated for this prestigious position. I think that you will be a great fit if confirmed. Ive got three questions:
1. How will you deal with disputes between political parties?
2. How will you cooperate with your fellow justices?
3. How will you allow the citizens of Thaecia to be involved in debate and court cases?
Levantx
1. I hope to moderate any disputes between parties, and hear both sides of the issue. After that, I'll do my best to give an unbiased appraisal.
2. I'll make sure we discuss every ruling until we either reach a consensus or become too entrenched in our beliefs to continue debating. Throughout this process, I'll work to keep the debate civil, and try to call for recesses whenever it becomes too heated.
3. I'll always be open to questions or debate about the court, whether on the RMB, Discord, or telegram. If a citizen poses a question or concern that I can't answer, I'll bring it to the whole court to discuss.
Xernon, Titanne
Hello Rhyssua, I am very pleased that your nomination can be my first activity here in the Senate, instead of default day-to-day bill debate. Thank you for your nomination.
I have a very simple question for you. What is your opinion on the case proposal towards our Speaker in the House Rayekka?
What do you think should be reasonable timetable for the Court to produce a verdict on a case?
Will you produce if asked by citizen or official, preliminary advisory opinions in preparation of a court trial? Or and what is your opinion on this instrument?
I would like to welcome Levantx to the Senate, filling the vacant TPU Seat. Hope we can work well together.
Levantx, Andusre
2. I'm thinking 3 or 4 days. That way, all of the justices will have a chance to give their opinions and debate before making a verdict, while not being too long. It's also a good timetable in case some irl stuff shows up for one of the justices.
3. Most likely no. If the advisory opinion would be from the whole court, then it would take up unnecessary time to give an opinion. If it was just from me, it'd be extremely unofficial, and could change as evidence is presented during the trial.
1. That sounds a lot like asking for a preliminary advisory opinion ;)
Strictly speaking, I don't think it violates the constitution (My main reason would be Article 2, Section 3, which lets the Speakers set the agenda for their chamber). However, I'd need to do more research on the issue to be sure.
Levantx, Xernon
Mr Chairman
I want to tank Rhyssua for his respons. I add that I agree that the Court should set some rules for them selves in producing a certain timetable 3 tot 4 days is a good estimate, of course in my opinion this can be even more.
An preliminary opinion, what I had in mind is indeed NOT from the whole court. But only from one justice. It is a formal opinion of one justice which can give already an first analysis on the trial, with no official impact as court. It however can be useful to determine if a case is court material? Sometimes if both parties already agree with the statement of one justice a court trial is not needed, if both parties agree, and a court can also use the opinion of one justice work as bases for good debate so that part of the work is already done. I am in favour, and hope to see that justices will in all their neutrality create such opinions. Of course this doesn't mean that after discussion within the court they can change from opinion.
I conclude, with offering my support for the nomination as justice.
Rhyssua
The Nomination of Rhyssua for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Voting
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Aye
Aye
Aye
The Nomination of Rhyssua for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Passed
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Levantx (TPU), Titanne (TPU, Greater Conexus (TSP) [4]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: Albianis [1]
______________________________________________________________________________________
With 4 ayes and 1 abstention, this senate hereby approves the nomination of Rhyssua for Associate Justice of Thaecia.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Levantx, Andusre
The Nomination of Islonia for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Debate
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators (5)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Last nomination to the High Court, if approved we will have filled all Court positions. Once more I encourage all Senators to ask the nominee questions.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Andusre, Albianis
As I have been doing for all other nominees I'll be starting off by asking you: What are your experiences with government in NationStates? And why do you believe you are a good choice for Justice?
Before answering, I have to inform you that due to the fact that I am in a school trip in the UK, it is possible that my answers may be late.
1. I have no experience in any NationStates government. Thaecia is the first region in which I want to take part in the régional government.
2. Honestly, I can't say that. Saying that I am a good choice for Justice when we can't is a bit daring to me. Except that, I hope to do the best I can with the CJ and the AJs to fufil this function and act for Thaecia.
Andusre
I must honestly say that your previous answer on the questions asked by our Chair has not convinced me to vote in favour for your nomination.
Can you convince me why you are the suitable candidate as justice? What is your Party Affiliation at this time here in NS, would you describe yourself more left or Right and or conservative or progressive?
Ok, this is not looking good for you. Im likely going to base my vote off how you answer other questions, I have none.
No problem. This is why this debate is happening anyway.
I am a Thaecian citizen who follows the HoC and Senate debates. I am a Thaecian citizen who just want to cet involved in his region's government. The only suitable reason that I can find is that I am someone like another. I am not special. Any actions that I would take as and Associate Justice will be done by Mr average.
I don't have any affiliation with a Thaecian party even if I feel close to what the Pirate Party is defending.
I would describe myself left and progressive.
Islonia would you care to explain to those here that are not involved in the RP, of your role as the 'IHO' and how (despite being entirely fictional) your experience in dealing with 'international crisis' may help with your role?
Levantx, Islonia, The Marconian State, Titanne, Greater Conexus
I am very glad with your answer on my question. Thank You!
My main concerns during this last hearing, and nomination before the Court was that the possible composition of the court was not diverse in ideology. I was afraid that is could become a TPU bastion, which is not a could thing for a independent judicial branch. That is why I am pleased to hear that a member of the Court can align himself with ideas of the current opposition (PPT). I would have rather seen a TSP nominee to be honest, but with the election the PPT is more represented by the people and thus this is a good reflection of our public opinion.
Also with your RP experience here in Thaecia, which promises some skilled and detailed opinion from you as justice. You will hereby have my vote FOR the nomination as justice to the Court.
Islonia
Post self-deleted by Titanne.
I have decided on my vote. In our first court it is absolutely critical to me that we select qualified and active justices. We already had a late start on this given the fact that court cases have already been filed. That is why I cannot stand idly by and support the nomination of Islonia to the High Court. He has not presented a reason for himself to be on the court, is not qualified at all, and, from what I can tell, he is not very active. This is not even comparing him to the other nominees, now justices. Rhyssua and Saint Ryvern were both very active and responsive to our questioning, Islonia has not been. I find the fact that someone nominated to such a prestigious position is not willing to answer questions is a problem. That is why I am going to vote nay and urge all senators to do so as well.
Levantx, I would agree that a bipartisan court is important, but having a good court should come first. And I do not believe that Andusre would intentionally choose a partisan court, he has served well and fairly as a PM. And for another point, I do not believe that the PPT and TPU are really that different or against each other. After all, in this very senate, the TPU and PPT are on a coalition together! I think that Islonia being on the court wouldnt even aid the cause of bipartisanship.
Interesting debate going on, will be leaving it opened for a few more hours so that Islonia can have a chance to respond to the critics.
As for my personal opinion, as of right now I am planning to abstain. While I feel like the nominee could give us a bit more clarification on how he plans to do stuff in the High Court, I also don't feel as if there are many better choices to be honest, with the nominee always having been unaffiliated also making me believe that he will do a good job at remaining unbiased.
Titanne
I am sorry for the late answer. I wasn't near my phone and therefore couldn't answer.
To answer Titanne, as I said earlier, I am on a school trip. I am not very active because of this (If I were at home, my answers wouldn't be delayed). Plus, Andusre didn't know the bipartisanship thing. And I insist on the fact that even if I feel close to what the PPT is defending, I am not in it and won't join it in the near future.
To answer Albianis:
The IHO ("Islonian Humanitarian Organisation ") is an international organisation which primarely acts as an human rights defender and an international body which is regulating the International Amphitheater in Alpina (Islonia's capital) where the international committees take place. (Somewhat of a WA)
For what experience this RP-Related Institution bring, I could say the fact that I always find something in which everyone agrees while respecting some ideas. (For example, the first Developing World's Civil War peace conference which failed because of a plan that failed because three(the most autocratic ones) of the six factions didn't agree with the plan proposed by the IHO because it was too oriented towards democracy.) I can also quote the fact that I always stand up for what I think is good, which gave me some problems in the RP. (Islonian Airspace violated by one of the DWCW's factions and a threat from this same faction saying that the IHO will be 'destroyed')
This is much better, although I will likely still vote nay. I think that there are much better possible candidates, it is not anything personal, Islonia.
Levantx, Islonia
The Nomination of Islonia for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Voting
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: [0]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
______________________________________________________________________________________
I have decided to abstain from this voting for now. As I stated earlier I am a bit unsure about the qualifications of the nominee, however at the same time I like the fact that he has been an independent for his entire residency in Thaecia, and don't believe there are many better choices out there.
[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
, Mr. Chairman
I would like to cast my vote in FAVOUR of the nominee.
Aye
Nay
For
The Nomination of Islonia for Associate Justice of Thaecia - Passed
Nomination by Prime Minister Andusre
______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Levantx (TPU), Albianis (TPU), Cerdenia (PPT) [3]
Nay: Titanne (TPU) [1]
Abstain: Greater Conexus (TSP) [1]
______________________________________________________________________________________
I decided to switch my vote to aye for the nominee. Ultimately I am still pretty uncertain regarding this nomination, however I wanted it to pass because I honestly don't feel as if there are many much better choices out there, and those which do understand about regional law better are already established politicians.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Saint Ryvern, Rayekka, Islonia, Andusre
The Nomination of Rayekka to become Electoral Commissioner - Debating
Nomination by President Xernon
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This nomination is now up for debate. Personal opinion: I am in favour of it, Rayekka has proven to be a qualified invididual through his good leadership in the House of Commons, and has also promised to become an independent and not run for reelection if nominated, meaning he will be able to take care of our elections without bias. Being the nominee Rayekka shall be allowed to speak on this debate. Senators feel free to direct any questions at him.
[spoiler=Senators (5)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
I think that Rayekka will be a great fit for the position. Unless something dramatic happens, he will have my vote.
Thank you Mr. Chairman for putting my nomination to the floor so promptly. Before I start, I'd like to commend the Chairmans dedication and efficiency in running the Senate. The Senate has never ran so smoothly!
As for my nomination, I will repeat here what I said to the House of Commons. I am the right person for this job. I have years of experience in leadership and key organisation roles & to run Thaecia's elections would be a great honour.
As the Electoral Commissioner role is an unbiased role, if I am confirmed, I will be leaving the TPU and resigning my Speaker role to continue the rest of my Parliamentary term as an Independent Member of Parliament. At the next election I will not stand for re-election. I do not believe that people should posses the power to run and regulate their own election. If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.
- Rayekka
Speaker of the House of Commons
Leader of the House of Commons TPU Caucus
Member of Parliament
Saint Ryvern, Levantx, Cerdenia, Xernon, Titanne
Confirm him peeps.
Cerdenia
With the Conditions promised by Rayekka, I shall vote 'Aye' for the nomination.
Cerdenia
The Nomination of Rayekka to become Electoral Commissioner - Voting
Nomination by President Xernon
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Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
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[spoiler=Senators Left to Vote (4)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Andusre
Aye
Xernon
Aye
Xernon
Aye
Xernon
Aye
Xernon
The Nomination of Rayekka to become Electoral Commissioner - Passed
Nomination by President Xernon
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Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Albianis (TPU), Titanne (TPU), Levantx (TPU), Greater Conexus (TSP) [5]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
With 5 ayes, 0 nays and 0 abstains, this nomination hereby passes unanimously. Congratulations to Rayekka on being nominated, hope he can do a good job as our electoral commissioner for the next few months.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Rayekka, Xernon, Greater Conexus
The Charter Of The Regions Assembly - S.B. 007 - Debating
Author: Levantx
Sponsor: Levantx
[spoiler=PREAMBLE]
IN ORDER TO interact with and towards other Regions, a framework or organised structure of interregional interactions, as equals, is needed to pursuit efficient and fundamental diplomacy.
BELIEVING that the Regions Assembly, as it first and one of a kind Interregional Organisation could serve Regions across with the need of having an organised and orderly fashioned way of communicating, and recognizing each other in a systems of international norms, and laws.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ARTICLE ONE]
ENCOURAGING The Thaecian Senate and The House Of Commons to ratify and enforce the Charter of the Regions Assembly, towards membership of the Interregional Organisation, as a Founding member.
ASKING the Government to start the membership procedures to the Regions Assembly, and the formal accession to the Organisation.
HOPING to inspire other allied Regions, and or partner Regions, to inspire and encourage in entering the same interregional framework.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ENACTMENT]
HENCEAFTER the Ratification of this Resolution, by a majority in both the House and the Senate, as accordingly to Article two (2) section two (2) of the Constitution, the Charter shall be deemed Ratified.
The Charter, and membership towards the Interregional organisation shall enter into force after the formal deposit of this ratification by the Government towards the Regions Assembly, and the establishment of embassies between Thaecia and the Regions Assembly
[/spoiler]
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This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. Personally I am planning to vote against this piece of legislation, mainly because the organisation in which the bill refers to doesen't appear to even be known like at all, according to their own factbook as they don't have any member regions (check Here). I also don't see much purpose in such organisations in general, I mean there already is the World Assembly for those who are interested, plus I would recommend talking with the Foreign Affairs Minister in regards to this kind of stuff. So well in conclusion, as of right now I am planning to vote against the bill.
[spoiler=Senators (5)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Xernon
Thank You MR. Chairman Cerdenia, I first want to congratulate Rayekka for his nomination.
On the Resolution I have proposed. I firstly want to correct the statement of the Chair, The Regions Assembly is a new created organisation, and has already been under consideration of Six other Region at this time check here bellow under "Ratification".
I am active on the discord server/conference of the Region and had the pleasure to speak with delegations from Africa, Northern Utopia, which where highly enthusiastic to join the interregional organisation. Besides those two regions our own close ally Republic Of Free Nations is also considering to join. I think the matter of members, is not that there is no interest in the region, but that someone has to go first, and I think we can take that leadership position upon us.
The Purpose of the Region, in creating a new dimension of politics based between regions is a dimension which can be beneficial for our activity, and diversify our activity. I think this can solve the 'bored' messages of our citizens. The idea of cooperation between regions is an idea we should not compare with the non-functional World Assembly. The World Assembly is centred towards nations, while the Regions Assembly is a region-centred organisation. Which is not the same.
I have debated this proposal with our Foreign Minister, his main concerns where that it could impact our regional sovereignty, or that we as region could be overvoted. This is also solved with negotiations with the current founder. he assured me personally that this project will be a "by the region, and for the regions" mission. So we have already impacted and made changes on the Charter. Our sovereignty is kept save as a result. We can only in my opinion have added value from this endeavour, by creating new channels of recruitment opportunities, new manners of Roleplay, events, new dimension of cooperation and activity. The RA itself is a very good and organised organisation, which shall serve as a very good information hub and database for region by region communication.
I urge my colleagues to vote FOR this resolution, and the ratification of this Treaty. I hope Thaecia as new and very active and growing region. Shall not take a backseat in Interregional diplomacy, but be at lead and a frontrunner tacking the lead in this project as a Founding Region. In my opinion this shall increase our image towards others.
I am hereby sponsoring Foreign Affairs Minister Korsinia to participate on this debate, in accordance with the RMB Usage procedures.
I would like to second that,
Ok, heres my take. I think that this regional assembly is a good idea, as simple as that. However, one side of me thinks that we should wait, and see how other regions react to this before joining ourselves. The other side of me thinks that Thaecia should take advantage of this opportunity to be a founding member and dive in head first. I will wait to hear other points before deciding on my vote.
The Charter Of The Regions Assembly - S.B. 007 - Voting
Author: Levantx
Sponsor: Levantx
[spoiler=PREAMBLE]
IN ORDER TO interact with and towards other Regions, a framework or organised structure of interregional interactions, as equals, is needed to pursuit efficient and fundamental diplomacy.
BELIEVING that the Regions Assembly, as it first and one of a kind Interregional Organisation could serve Regions across with the need of having an organised and orderly fashioned way of communicating, and recognizing each other in a systems of international norms, and laws.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ARTICLE ONE]
ENCOURAGING The Thaecian Senate and The House Of Commons to ratify and enforce the Charter of the Regions Assembly, towards membership of the Interregional Organisation, as a Founding member.
ASKING the Government to start the membership procedures to the Regions Assembly, and the formal accession to the Organisation.
HOPING to inspire other allied Regions, and or partner Regions, to inspire and encourage in entering the same interregional framework.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ENACTMENT]
HENCEAFTER the Ratification of this Resolution, by a majority in both the House and the Senate, as accordingly to Article two (2) section two (2) of the Constitution, the Charter shall be deemed Ratified.
The Charter, and membership towards the Interregional organisation shall enter into force after the formal deposit of this ratification by the Government towards the Regions Assembly, and the establishment of embassies between Thaecia and the Regions Assembly
[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: [0]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
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This bill is now up for voting. I decided to abstain from the voting because, although the explanation of the author did make me think more positively of the ide, I would still like to see it in practice before deciding whether or not I would like Thaecia to join it.
[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote (4)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Aye
Aye,
please vote FOR ;-) I really believe this is a step forward for Theacia :D
TG or DM to be convinced
Nay
Aye
The Charter Of The Regions Assembly - S.B. 007 - Passed
Author: Levantx
Sponsor: Levantx
[spoiler=PREAMBLE]
IN ORDER TO interact with and towards other Regions, a framework or organised structure of interregional interactions, as equals, is needed to pursuit efficient and fundamental diplomacy.
BELIEVING that the Regions Assembly, as it first and one of a kind Interregional Organisation could serve Regions across with the need of having an organised and orderly fashioned way of communicating, and recognizing each other in a systems of international norms, and laws.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ARTICLE ONE]
ENCOURAGING The Thaecian Senate and The House Of Commons to ratify and enforce the Charter of the Regions Assembly, towards membership of the Interregional Organisation, as a Founding member.
ASKING the Government to start the membership procedures to the Regions Assembly, and the formal accession to the Organisation.
HOPING to inspire other allied Regions, and or partner Regions, to inspire and encourage in entering the same interregional framework.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=ENACTMENT]
HENCEAFTER the Ratification of this Resolution, by a majority in both the House and the Senate, as accordingly to Article two (2) section two (2) of the Constitution, the Charter shall be deemed Ratified.
The Charter, and membership towards the Interregional organisation shall enter into force after the formal deposit of this ratification by the Government towards the Regions Assembly, and the establishment of embassies between Thaecia and the Regions Assembly
[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Aye: Titanne (TPU), Levantx (TPU), Albianis (TPU) [3]
Nay: Greater Conexus (TSP) [1]
Abstain: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
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With 3 ayes, 1 nay and 1 abstention, S.B. 007 hereby passes.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Thaecian Military Force Act - S.B. 008 - Debating
Author: Greater Conexus
Sponsor: Greater Conexus
[spoiler=Preamble]Acknowledging the discussion around a Thaecian military corps prior to the recent Senate snap elections.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article I: Formation of this Thaecian military]
- To create the position of Thaecian Defense Minister, whose job will be to
plan any future liberations on enemy regions.
- To employ at least 15 nations as members of the military, ready to liberate/raid an enemy region with 24 hours notice.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article II: Use of the Thaecian Military]
- To liberate allied regions who have requested our help.
- The Thaecian Military shall only be used to liberate regions, except for special circumstances, in which it will be elaborated below.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Article III: Authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military]
- The authorisation shall be passed in the Senate and House of Commons similarly to current acts; by an absolute majority.
- If military action is recommended by the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 40% of both Houses will be required to agree on the authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military.
- Utilizing the Thaecian Military for raiding will have to be passed similarly to passing a constitutional amendment, which is that 2/3rds of both Houses will have to agree on it. If the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Prime Minister and President all agree that a raid should happen, this requirement is removed and the raid would be passed if it has 50% of both parties support.[/spoiler]
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This bill is now up for debate and as always amendments are welcomed. My personal opinion: I am not opposed to the idea of a regional military, however personally I believe it should be restricted to defending only, not raiding, which the bill mentions in article III. As I stated during my run for senate I also believe that this issue should be decided on a referendum, not just approved by the Senate and House of Commons, and that the military should be small (I don't believe a large military matches the theme of our region, and don't believe it would be beneficial for our foreign affairs).
[spoiler=Senators (5)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
I am absolutely against the formation of a large defense force, our region is fairly immune to raiding due to Xernon being non-executive. I think that a small defense force- only a few people- is far more practical than a large-scale force such as this.
Levantx
I follow with thr idea that we should not include the definition of an army into an Bill. I however would support the creation of ministery of defense.
I also do not understand why only 40% of the House and Senate should agree? Can you explain? Also when it concerns raiding a two third is needed?
If I may add I think any collective defensive measure (allies and support) also raising should be decided by the executive. As military is there pregoratove. Only when it concerns a declaration of War it should be the legislator agreeing on that with 50%
Cerdenia
The 40% is due to the fact that the FAM is most likely more informed about the diplomatic relations between regions, thus if they advise military action, it would have to be because there is a good reason
As stated, the military force would require only 15 people. In my opinion, that would make a rather small military force. 15 nations would take about 6% of Thaecias population.
Well that may be true in theory, but in pratice most of our population isn't actually active, I believe we only got 49 votes cast last HoC election, so considering only the actually active population of the region (which is the only part likely to be involved with a military), it would make up a pretty high percentage.
That is true. Titanne, may I ask how many people would you like in a defense force?
5-10, maybe.
Can I move to amend the proposal in suggesting to create a force of 10 nations, instead of 15?
Could you tell me what your vision for this military would be first? And yes, probably.
Well since you are the author of the bill the amendment won't need to be voted on, since as far as I am aware, the procedure is that the author's changes to his own bill don't need to be voted on if the bill itself isn't up for vote yet. So yeah I will just add your changes once we get to voting phase.
Also, since it appears there is still some debate going on I'll leave the debate opened for a few more hours.
My vision of this would be to help other regions if they get raided, since not everybody removes executive status from the WA Delegate. Also, if, say, the FAM decides that a region is against Thaecian interests, the Senate and HoC would be able to vote on a raid.
Levantx
I agree and would support the idea of R/D as part of politics and gameplay here in our region.
So that is why I believe this Bill is in its spirit an important addition to our region. Military activity, new ministry and gameplay! Nice!
However I do not support the idea of a Bill determining a value of soldiers. I think the executive should do that by itself. So I would like to see the whole the second paragraph of article one gone.
Secondly, I am a Democrat and the 40% idea is not something I will support. A democracy is not government by a minority, but majority. I agree with the idea that the MoFA should agree however that is not a problem.
Maybe to add an new idea? Collective self-defense think of military alliances should also be included on that procedure no?
The Bill if amended in these two key minor changes shall receive my support.
Titanne
Given the changes Levantx states and the change me and Greater Conexus discussed, this bill would have my tentative support.
Levantx
Could you please explain what you mean by the bill determining the value of soldiers?
Also, Cerdenia, could you change the 40% to 50%? I think it was a typo.
Levantx
Noted, will be changed once the bill is up for voting.
I mean that your Bill, if I understand correctly is setting in article one section two, "at least 10 soldiers" determining that we MUST have an army.
While I believe that this determination or predefined rule should not be written in law.
I think of for example a possibility for a PM willing to have no army or a pacifist policy agenda. This will than be impossible? I think a policy agenda also in matters of military should be decided by the executive as he is also an elected official elected based on his policy agenda, even if that policy agenda is a pacifist one.
I suggest that this maybe can be made less predefined, something like "the responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements."
But how the Governement should do that is up to them.
Cerdenia
Senators I'll be leaving the debate opened for this bill for just 3 more hours, as we have already debated on this bill for more then 24 hours and we don't seem to be achieving much. Please if you have any amendments to submit, do it now.
[spoiler=Senators (5)]
Cerdenia (PPT)
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Amendment
Replacing article 2 paragraph 2 with:
"... the responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements."
May I ask if this military is for defensive purposes only Senator Greater Conexus?
I am hereby submiting the following amendment:
[Spoiler=Article IV: Public Referendum]
Section I
Upon the passage of this bill in the House of Commons and Senate, the final version of the bill shall be voted on by the Citizens of Thaecia, in a referendum organised through a regional poll. The referendum shall have a duration of 3 days, and must include an option in favour and one against the bill.
Section II
In order for the final version of the bill to pass, it must achieve a majority of the total number of votes cast on the referendum.[/spoiler]
My views and those of my party are that the creation of a military should be decided through a referendum, which is why I am submiting this amendment.
Following at Cerdenia's amendment I would also like to say that a militia would be more effective, taking orders from a MoD, nations could at first volunteer to be 'called to arms' pre-raid and then volunteer if a raid has begun.
It must made clear that I would only ever support defensive wars.
I would like to amend the number of soldiers from 15 to 10.
That change was already proposed by the Author, so it won't need to be voted on.
Titanne
The likeliness of our region getting raided would be near to zero, as our nations WA delegate doesnt have executive powers. Thus, this military force would be used to help liberate other allied regions.
Thaecian Military Force Act - S.B. 008 - Amendment Voting
Author: Greater Conexus
Sponsor: Greater Conexus
[spoiler=Current Bill]
Preamble
Acknowledging the discussion around a Thaecian military corps prior to the recent Senate snap elections.
Article I: Formation of this Thaecian military
- To create the position of Thaecian Defense Minister, whose job will be to
plan any future liberations on enemy regions.
- To employ at least 10 nations as members of the military, ready to liberate/raid an enemy region with 24 hours notice.
Article II: Use of the Thaecian Military
- To liberate allied regions who have requested our help.
- The Thaecian Military shall only be used to liberate regions, except for special circumstances, in which it will be elaborated below.
Article III: Authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military
- The authorisation shall be passed in the Senate and House of Commons similarly to current acts; by an absolute majority.
- If military action is recommended by the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 50% of both Houses will be required to agree on the authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military.
- Utilizing the Thaecian Military for raiding will have to be passed similarly to passing a constitutional amendment, which is that 2/3rds of both Houses will have to agree on it. If the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Prime Minister and President all agree that a raid should happen, this requirement is removed and the raid would be passed if it has 50% of both parties support.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Amendment A
Author: Levantx
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Amend article 2 section 2 to: "The responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements."[/spoiler]
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
Amendment B
Author: Cerdenia
[spoiler=Amendment B]
Create Article IV with the following:
Section I
Upon the passage of this bill in the House of Commons and Senate, the final version of the bill shall be voted on by the Citizens of Thaecia, in a referendum organised through a regional poll. The referendum shall have a duration of 3 days, and must include an option in favour and one against the bill.
Section II
In order for the final version of the bill to pass, it must achieve a majority of the total number of votes cast on the referendum.[/spoiler]
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT) [1]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
[spoiler=Senators Yet to Vote(4)]
Albianis (TPU)
Titanne (TPU)
Levantx (TPU)
Greater Conexus (TSP)[/spoiler]
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Aye
Nay
Thaecian Military Force Act - S.B. 008 - Amendment Voting Results
Author: Greater Conexus
Sponsor: Greater Conexus
[spoiler=Current Bill]
Preamble
Acknowledging the discussion around a Thaecian military corps prior to the recent Senate snap elections.
Article I: Formation of this Thaecian military
- To create the position of Thaecian Defense Minister, whose job will be to
plan any future liberations on enemy regions.
- To employ at least 10 nations as members of the military, ready to liberate/raid an enemy region with 24 hours notice.
Article II: Use of the Thaecian Military
- To liberate allied regions who have requested our help.
- The Thaecian Military shall only be used to liberate regions, except for special circumstances, in which it will be elaborated below.
Article III: Authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military
- The authorisation shall be passed in the Senate and House of Commons similarly to current acts; by an absolute majority.
- If military action is recommended by the Foreign Affairs Ministry, 50% of both Houses will be required to agree on the authorisation of use of the Thaecian Military.
- Utilizing the Thaecian Military for raiding will have to be passed similarly to passing a constitutional amendment, which is that 2/3rds of both Houses will have to agree on it. If the Foreign Affairs Ministry, Prime Minister and President all agree that a raid should happen, this requirement is removed and the raid would be passed if it has 50% of both parties support.[/spoiler]______________________________________________________________________________________
Amendment A
Author: Levantx
[spoiler=Amendment A]
Amend article 2 section 2 to: "The responsibility of Government to defend the region, and uphold its responsibilities towards allies and military engagements."[/spoiler]
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Titanne (TPU), Greater Conexus(TSP), Albianis(TPU), Levantx (TPU) [5]
Nay: [0]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
Amendment B
Author: Cerdenia
[spoiler=Amendment B]
Create Article IV with the following:
Section I
Upon the passage of this bill in the House of Commons and Senate, the final version of the bill shall be voted on by the Citizens of Thaecia, in a referendum organised through a regional poll. The referendum shall have a duration of 3 days, and must include an option in favour and one against the bill.
Section II
In order for the final version of the bill to pass, it must achieve a majority of the total number of votes cast on the referendum.[/spoiler]
Aye: Cerdenia (PPT), Titanne (TPU), Greater Conexus(TSP), Albianis(TPU) [4]
Nay: Levantx (TPU) [1]
Abstain: [0]
______________________________________________________________________________________
Both of the proposed amendments to this bill have passed, I will be putting the final version up for voting soon.
Captain of the Pirate Party of Thaecia
Chairman of the Senate
Deputy Prime Minister
Senator
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.