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Post by Frostvile suppressed by Brototh Forniseimeda.

Frostvile

Aye

The bill passes 3-0-1-3. Not a good turnout to the vote at all

Senators, we are now debating the following bill. This is an executive priority and we will go as quick as we can with it.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1861349

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Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

its fine, it limits offices held by ministers and i think that's okay

I don't see an issue with this amendment.

Senators, we are now voting on the following bill.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1861349

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

Snowflame has informed me his vote is Aye

Aye. It is practical in the current situation

The bill passes 7-0-0-0

Senators, we are now debating the following bill.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1853233

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

We are now voting on the following bill

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1853233

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

Snowflame has informed me his vote is Aye

The above bill has passed (5-0-0-2) both chambers of Congress Marvinville

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Senators, we are now debating the Second Convention of Lausanne; better known as the Consortium treaty.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1850491

I am the Foreign Affairs Minister so feel free to ask any questions and I will happily answer them to the best of my ability. Considering I wrote 60% of the treaty I should be good to answer questions!

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

I have no major objections to this bill, and I encourage my fellow senators to vote for this treaty.

The Ambis

Thank you once again Chair for permitting me to speak on the floor of the Senate.

Any of you conscious of my involvement of Thaecian politics for a while will be aware of my stances on most thing, in this case Foreign Affairs. I'm usually firmly against any and all treaties, but in this case I believe this is a good idea.

I do have a couple of questions however, while in my experience both the East Pacific and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths are good, long standing partners of Thaecia with whom we already hold treaties, but would the Minister be able to inform us as to what she believes our relationship to the final partner of this treaty, the Free Nations Region, is like and how she hopes this treaty will develop those.

The second question I have is why now? Is this a treaty that has been in the works for a while or is this a somewhat recent development.

this bill is ultimately positive to thaecia, as such i have no quarrels with it

Toerana V wrote:Thank you once again Chair for permitting me to speak on the floor of the Senate.

Any of you conscious of my involvement of Thaecian politics for a while will be aware of my stances on most thing, in this case Foreign Affairs. I'm usually firmly against any and all treaties, but in this case I believe this is a good idea.

I do have a couple of questions however, while in my experience both the East Pacific and the Alstroemerian Commonwealths are good, long standing partners of Thaecia with whom we already hold treaties, but would the Minister be able to inform us as to what she believes our relationship to the final partner of this treaty, the Free Nations Region, is like and how she hopes this treaty will develop those.

The second question I have is why now? Is this a treaty that has been in the works for a while or is this a somewhat recent development.

The Free Nations Region [FNR] has been a close friend of ours for years and we've been considering the prospect of an individual treaty with them. We opened embassies with them in August 2020 and have been really close ever since. Embassies were originally opened in October 2019 but were closed after the tag:wa recruitment incident - and honestly, I think that having allies like that who air come to you with their problems, are better than those who don't. We've had relationships in the past with regions that have grievances with us but never air those, and those relationships always turn sour.

FNR is a really good region all around that has been a consistent ally to Thaecia through the many many things we've gone through over the years. Without them we would not be where we are now- they really have helped us develop as a region and on the international stage. It's surprising to me we don't already have a treaty with them to be honest- we're close allies participating together in pretty much all aspects. We might have had some closer relationships with TEP & AC in the past, but I wouldn't trade any of them, including FNR, away. The three Consortium allies are the longest and some of the closest friends we've had in Thaecia - and we really could not call it the same Consortium if FNR wasn't in it.

Second question; this iteration of the Lausanne convention was first proposed to me by Altys in late February 2023. But the First Convention of Lausanne was rejected by this very Senate in February 2021. It was rejected to being, let's be honest, pretty bad- it was too similar to the Regions Assembly of 2019 which we left, talking about electing these "Grand Conseillers" to this "Haut Conseil". It was really confusing and poorly written- I'm glad we rejected it in the end. Since then though our relationships have strengthened and strengthened more. The defeat of that treaty didn't mean we cooperated with each other less- it really strengthened our partnerships. And as gameplay has evolved and regions have chosen new paths and partnerships, the most consistent thing for Thaecia since the start of 2021 has been the friendship of TEP, FNR, and AC. The idea of a second Lausanne convention has been floated since March 2021 really- we've just never had the right governments at the right time and the right international circumstances and such to go forward with it. But now we're at a point where all of us are ready for it, and I'm looking forward to the next few years to come with the Consortium.

Let me know if there are any other questions - otherwise we will vote in about 20 minutes.

Toerana V

20 = 95 I think. Anyway, Senators, we are now voting on the Second Convention of Lausanne.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1850491

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh [FREE]

New Central Iowa [PHX]

Obalostan [IND]

Saltmore [ALT]

Santa Marana [FREE]

Sevae [PHX]

Snowflame [FREE][/spoiler]

Snowflame has informed me his vote is Aye

The treaty has passed 6-0-0-1

Senators, we are now debating the following bill as passed by the House.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1861021

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Voting then

My vote is aye

Brototh wrote:Senators, we are now debating the following bill as passed by the House.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1861021

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Senators, we are now undertaking the confirmation hearing of Legal Affairs Minister Brototh.

I don't think this should be a long ordeal; let's just get this over with but feel free to ask any questions you like.

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Yeah, this position is necessary but nobody wants it but you.

Though I would like to know, what do you plan to do in your role? If the answer is nothing it's fine. Do you think there is any way to make the LAM position more appealing or should it just stay a role that has to be filled but nobody wants it?

Sevae wrote:Yeah, this position is necessary but nobody wants it but you.

Though I would like to know, what do you plan to do in your role? If the answer is nothing it's fine. Do you think there is any way to make the LAM position more appealing or should it just stay a role that has to be filled but nobody wants it?

To be entirely honest, I don't particularly want it either. If there was someone who was willing to take it, and competent enough to do so obviously even though it isn't that demanding, I would gladly let them have the nomination rather than me- but nobody seems to want to so that's why we are here. That doesn't mean I intend to slack though, if I'm right then the bar exam needs another look at. I think I will also be writing some legislation to improve the bar anyway and being LAM would give me a good place to do that from. To be clear as well, I don't intend to resign after being confirmed- either I don't get confirmed or I get confirmed and do 3 months.

Senators, I'm not going to lie to you and tell you I've desired this job for ages, because I haven't. But I urge you nonetheless to confirm me, because this is a position that ultimately does need filling. It does do important things for the government in courts and the law, like the bar and being the representing council for the government. As the region's most prolific legislator, I know that I'm very qualified for this position and I think it's high time we just get this position filled and can move on from this lack of LAM nightmare.

Sevae, The Ambis

sorry for not clarifying, I did want to say I would confirm you. Thanks for your answer

yes politics nice

I am confirmed 6-0-1-0

Senators, we are now debating the following bill.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1853255

Contrary to popular belief for some reason this has NOT passed the Senate before even though the House speaker sent it to the PM's desk to sign. Still bicameral

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Senators, we are now voting on the following bill.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1853255

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Aye. Though the amendments are very confusing in that I can't see which changes were made

Obalostan wrote:Aye

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Obalostan

Obalostan wrote:Aye

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Obalostan

Marvinville the above bill has passed both Chambers

Senators, we are now debating the following bill as amended by the house

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1870621

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

See nothing wrong with these changes.

Now voting.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1870621

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Now debating.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1873853

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

The only argument I've heard against this bill from the so-called "free speech" proponents is that it doesn't go far enough and we should block TGs doing this as well. I agree with this conclusion and I will be proposing a second bill to do so in due course; I would rather we pass this as-is at this time before the election though.

The Ambis

is there a specific situation that this is over?

New Central Iowa wrote:is there a specific situation that this is over?
Yep, Saltmore made these very dispatches. It highlighted the security risk of allowing something like this for raiders, who could use it to rapidly gain endorsements in a sleeper operation to depose the Thaecian government. Also it confused newcomers who thought he was an executive government member who should be endorsed similar to the WAD.

Now voting.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1873853

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

We are now debating the repeal of the Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1550753#3

This treaty is not enforceable anymore since the frontiers update. It prohibits recruitment from regions who have also signed the treaty, but the problem is many of these will transition to Frontiers and so found nations. This means any stamp telegrams sent are actually illegal. So we need to get rid of this asap.

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

Now voting on the repeal of the below treaty.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1550753#3

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Brototh

New Central Iowa

Obalostan

Saltmore

Santa Marana

Sevae

Snowflame[/spoiler]

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