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I don’t have any concerns with this, allowing more officials to be held responsible for their actions as well as giving more power to Congress for their investigations. Whether we’ll use it, is another matter, but it’s nice to know it’s here. I support

Indian Genius

I support this as well, especially as someone who thinks investigations are underutilised

Edit: Actually, no. I do not support. There is already a mechanic in place to conduct a hearing, what's the point of having an investigation mechanic as well? I'd like to repeal this bill rather than make amendments to it.

Indian Genius

Because the author of the above bill has lost their citizenship, it is tabled until further notice. We have begun the debate on the Removal of Shadow Positions and Caucuses Act.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1519420

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

yeah, I support it as I did before.

The point isn't even partisanship anymore, it's the fact that the Shadow Speaker or Chairman doesn't actually challenge the Speaker or Chairman anymore, and these positions are useless

Again tabled because I was not notified of some stuff. Lets do a confirmation, those are always fun and a more pressing matter at the moment.

We have hereby commenced the Confirmation Hearing of Islonia for Minister of Foreign Affairs.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

The Islamic Country Of Honour, Marvinville

I have no questions to this nominee, I've known him for long enough to trust him for this position. It's painful to see us having to lose another legislator because the former FAM couldn't act like a normal person, but it is what it is I guess.

We need to look into amending the Position Restrictions Act soon though, this ain't working out.

Islonia, Andusre, Emazia, The Islamic Country Of Honour

I agree with amending LR004, and back to the matter at hand, I've been in the ministry with Altys for long enough to trust him completely, and I have no questions given the situation we're in.

Islonia, Andusre, Emazia, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Mardis

My only question to the candidate is what their plans or stances regarding the former ministry are. Under Hulldom a process of updating embassies and ambassadors was put to action, so I was wondering what your idea is on this. Do you plan to continue or completely restructure what had been commenced?

Besides that I have no questions, Islonia is in my opinion very well fit for the task of FAM.

Islonia, The Islamic Country Of Honour

Islonia has been here for a long time and has proven to be a capable and dutiful public servant. I wholeheartedly support his nomination.

Islonia, The Islamic Country Of Honour

I don't have a problem with the selection here, Islonia has the experience needed to be a good FAM and I support the nomination

Islonia, The Islamic Country Of Honour

Dendrobium wrote:My only question to the candidate is what their plans or stances regarding the former ministry are. Under Hulldom a process of updating embassies and ambassadors was put to action, so I was wondering what your idea is on this. Do you plan to continue or completely restructure what had been commenced?

I do plan on restructuring a bit. First off-- scrapping the pods (who only seemed decorative anyhow) and replacing them with groups. Each group of embassy would be led by one Senior Diplomat (this also means reforming the way SDs work) who would ensure diplomats do their work (if the diplomat isn't themselves-- ie Slowflame being ambassador to all regions of the Force Union we have embassies with).

I also wish to edit our embassy requirements to remove the mandatory part. While they are representing our values, they shouldn't limit us nonetheless. Plus it's already established that we broke them in the past several times.

And finally I'll just reshape the discord server a bit, for ease of use.

Pap Sculgief, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Dendrobium

Senators, we have begun the Confirmation Vote on Islonia for Minister of Foreign Affairs.

My vote is Aye.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

The Islamic Country Of Honour

aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Senators, the Confirmation Vote of Islonia for Minister of Foraign Affairs has ended:

Results:

Aye - Ashlawn, Cerdenia, Dendrobium, Ermica, Pap Sculgief, Sevae

Nay - None

Abstain - Emazia, Toerana V

This means Islonia has been confirmed as Minister of Foreign Affairs. Congratulations.

We have begun debating on Amendments to L.R. 031 and the author, Marvinville, has permission to use the Senate RMB during this debate.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1514436

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

No issues, full support

I think its a pretty basic fix to L.R. 031 that should get vast support.

Simple aye vote here. It was a needed fix.

This is needed to fix the bill. No real problem against it

yeah this makes sense

As my fellow Senators have said, this is just a basic fix and I support it.

Senators, we have started voting on Amendments to L.R. 031.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1514436

May vote is Aye.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

Toerana V

Senators, the voting has ended.

Results:

Aye - Ashlawn, Cerdenia, Dendrobium, Emazia, Ermica, Pap Sculgief, Sevae, Toerana V

Nay - None

Abstain - None

This means the Amendments to L.R. 031 have passed.

We have now begun debating on the Non-Agression Pact Between The Republic of Europeia and Thaecia as submitted by Prime Minister The Islamic Country Of Honour.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1538107

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

The Islamic Country Of Honour

I am obviously in support of this as I love both regions and am happy that we're finally codifying our relationship. To alleviate some possible concerns:

Firstly, this non-aggression pact doesn't in any way undermine our sovereignty: the things codified there we have already done before: haven't spied on Europeia, haven't attacked it or its allies, haven't recruited from them, etc. Europeia hasn't spied on us either or done any of the above. This would only ensure that they wouldn't do that to us in the future and neither would we, without changing the Thaecian identity or anything like that.

Now to the main part: why do we need this NAP? Well, firstly, Europeia is one of the biggest User Created Regions, and it would benefit us interregionally to have a treaty with them. Not only would the very name of Europeia elevate our reputation among non-defender regions - among defender regions, this would also increase our influence - an already established region of Thaecia having a NAP with Europeia would be a big thing and would make them want to, in turn, deepen ties with us and get our attention, and this would ultimately give us more influence among Defenders and Independents alike. This wouldn't do the opposite and alienate them - here, just look at TEP who has a treaty with Europeia and with Defender regions, and has influence in both spheres.

Of course there is another reason for this NAP - simply that we have many double citizens and have already cooperated culturally as well. It just is a logical step forward in our relationship with another region we have quite a lot in common with already (not to mention the military operations we have done together).

Finally, this NAP could also help us change Europeia's ways - knowing that we have a NAP, Europeia would cooperate with us even more, and might even participate in defending operations with us eventually (especially given that this NAP might be upgraded to a full treaty as well). Of course this is a long shot, but a NAP would definitely help us more in this endeavour than doing nothing - Europeia's only Unaligned ally is The East Pacific right now, and having more unaligned allies could certainly shift them more to our sphere.

Of course I'm a double citizen myself, but I believe in what I said as a Thaecian - I do not doubt this would be mutually beneficial.

Ashlawn, Andusre, Brototh, The Islamic Country Of Honour

Content-wise, this is very similar to the Thaecia-TEP treaty ratified last year so I have no problem on that front - we aren’t giving up sovereignty and this a treaty to work with Europeia not compete with them.

I feel that working with a region like Europeia is an opportunity we should take, and this NAP provides a vantage point to further the relationship we have. I have no problem with this and intend to support

Andusre, Brototh, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Sevae

doesn't do anything anyways, no much point in debating this

As I was the author of IFE (which we wrote partially encouraged by this), and I was pretty much the most active Thaecian in the treaty debate I feel I have a right to speak here.

Cerdenia wrote:doesn't do anything anyways, no much point in debating this
It very much does do something. Alone, it guarantees that we won't be engaging in any hostile actions with Europeia- read it, it restricts recruitment, espionage, and raiding hostilities. While we wouldn't do that anyway, it is a good thing to have a guarantee for both ends of friendship and mutual relations between our regions. I don't see how you can say it doesn't do much, when it very much does enforce several things.

Additionally, the treaty also provides a very good standpoint for future relations with Europeia. This treaty is something that Europeia pretty much requires for future cooperation, and I am very excited to work with them- I like them, they're cool people, and you already know my thoughts about getting big embassies and relations and the like, but Europeia I am genuinely passionate about.

This treaty opens a very large number of doors for us for future relations with EIA and I certainly believe it should be passed because of the great FA implications it can and will have.

Ashlawn, Andusre, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Sevae

I'm not a foreign policy guy, but diplomacy is good, and I think that a majority of Thaecians would be happy with this bill.

Andusre, Sevae

For the text of treaty: No Issues with the Text, reads like a fairly run of the mill Non Aggression Pact

For Everything Else: For the record, I'm not someone who does much work in Foreign Affairs, the extent of my experience has been passive ambassadorships to usually defender aligned regions.

It's Europeia, it has a patchy history in R/D, and I'm getting concerned as to the Foreign Affairs direction of this administration.

We seem to be trying to become allies and open embassies with everyone, even when it comes with severe lapses in judgement which move us closer to open embassies with regions that contact OOC banned individuals.

Since December, we have opened embassies with Defender Aligned Regions like the Rejected Realms, XKI and our continued relationship with the League, while simultaneously opening consulates and beginning relations with Independents, some who lean very much into the raider side, just without an official declaration of ideology.

I am confused as to where we attempting to go here, are we trying to be friends with everyone? This is undoubtedly an interesting policy, but I am very concerned that if another TNP-TSP altercation occurs that Thaecia could be stuck in the middle of it, especially if the back channels between the two opposing sides fail to produce results. For those unaware of what I'm on about, TNP a little while ago did a Quorum raid run on regions supporting a proposal to Repeal "Liberate CCD" - When the RRA and SPSF, among others, countered this, TNP borderline accused them of being fascists and fascist sympathizers. If Thaecia had maintained embassies/partnerships with both regions during this time period, I'm concerned as to how the government will be able to deal with these situations if it becomes a large problem. We are further entangling ourselves in a complex web of alliances and embassies with a wide range of regions and ideologies, which would make it hard for us to do anything except say nothing when our allies are fighting, at risk of loosing one of them.

Onto Europeia itself. They have an interesting history in R/D. Most recently, their participation in the raid of The Embassy, which saw the destruction of a prominent inter-regional community that, well, an awful lot of people cared deeply about. While it appears that their leadership received backlash for participation, it has been argued that the destruction of an interregional hub was not "griefing" - Words of our own President, and therefore is okay. Naturally, I think is a silly notion.

Onto the notion that we can somehow change their R/D. Europeia has exponentially more experience than Thaecia when it comes to R/D. It is incredibly, and I believe unrealistically, optimistic to assume that we could have a shot at changing their R/D stance. It would take some serious leg work alongside our allies in TEP to do so, and is not something that I believe will happen in the next 6 months to a year, minimum, especially due to them having significantly longer, older, and more influential allies that share a closer R/D philosophy to them. Thaecia is ultimately insignificant and small when it comes to their other existing allies. I am moreso concerned about the effect that Europeia will have on our R/D stance. We are currently very much Independent, we raid about as much as we defend. Thaecian liberators are common at big libs, but so are tag runs and their counters in detags. We do everything fairly actively, while Europeia leans heavily into the occupation side of things. We have already seen Europeia begin to influence the Thaempirial Army, with the primary motivation behind our participation being to please Europeia. While our Indie status means that we are obviously going to participate in an occupation here and there, participation for the near sole purpose of pleasing a larger region is not something that feels great. We're Thaecia - not a region of pillers for some ally to call in when they can't gather enough support at home.

Something else I am going to point out is that we only share consulates with Europeia, not fully fledged embassies and yet are leaping to a NAP. This strikes me as a bit odd, but this is apparently how Europeia operates, but I would be more comfortable with a step like this (in general, not necessarily specific to Europeia) if we at least had a decent stretch of time of being embassy partners, exchanging reports, participating in jointly organized raids/libs etc, before we sign a treaty of any kind. Alongside this, there is much that the general citizenry doesn't know about Europeia or its community, having had very little time to interact with the other side via the medium of cultural events, joint listening/film watching sessions like we recently saw with FNR and others.

In credit to Europeia, they did recently pass a bill mandating a policy, in which contains some form of anti griefing policy, showing progress, but this appeared to be as a result of internal backlash, not external pressure on the part of their allies, still showing how it is likely pointless for Thaecia to try and push Europeia in any direction without strong support from its larger allies.

TL;DR: Europeia Bad, NAP Bad, Thaecia should become an epic hard core defender isolationist region with, er, screw it, a Monarch!

Sevae

Toerana V wrote:It's Europeia, it has a patchy history in R/D, and I'm getting concerned as to the Foreign Affairs direction of this administration.

We seem to be trying to become allies and open embassies with everyone, even when it comes with severe lapses in judgement which move us closer to open embassies with regions that contact OOC banned individuals.

Alongside this, there is much that the general citizenry doesn't know about Europeia or its community, having had very little time to interact with the other side via the medium of cultural events, joint listening/film watching sessions like we recently saw with FNR and others. (from later)

I would honestly like to see examples. Naturally, OOC banned individuals are a huge no-no but OOC moderation is one thing that Europeia excels at, and this NAP would only increase the reputation of our OOC moderation, given our history with it.

Now to the point about "everyone". Yes, you can raise questions about this administration's foreign policy, and they're fair at times. But Europeia is different, it's not just "everyone". We have done many military things with them (which you oppose, fine, but that is part of sharing a special relationship). In addition, there was a Europeia/Thaecia week back in summer that was a huge success. We have had many dual citizens as I said, including currently me, Andy, Vor, Taungu, ICH, formerly Maowi, Brousty, even Marv, earlier Nate. Taungu is now a deputy minister of World Assembly Affairs under me and Maowi in Europeia, Andy is an Ensign in their Navy, I'm obviously a senator here, Maowi was an MP, Nate ran for MP - the point is, we have a whole lot in common, and most of the "general citizenry" is familiar with Europeia.

Toerana V wrote:If Thaecia had maintained embassies/partnerships with both regions during this time period, I'm concerned as to how the government will be able to deal with these situations if it becomes a large problem. We are further entangling ourselves in a complex web of alliances and embassies with a wide range of regions and ideologies, which would make it hard for us to do anything except say nothing when our allies are fighting, at risk of loosing one of them.

Onto Europeia itself. They have an interesting history in R/D. Most recently, their participation in the raid of The Embassy, which saw the destruction of a prominent inter-regional community that, well, an awful lot of people cared deeply about. While it appears that their leadership received backlash for participation, it has been argued that the destruction of an interregional hub was not "griefing" - Words of our own President, and therefore is okay. Naturally, I think is a silly notion.

Onto the notion that we can somehow change their R/D. Europeia has exponentially more experience than Thaecia when it comes to R/D. It is incredibly, and I believe unrealistically, optimistic to assume that we could have a shot at changing their R/D stance. It would take some serious leg work alongside our allies in TEP to do so, and is not something that I believe will happen in the next 6 months to a year, minimum, especially due to them having significantly longer, older, and more influential allies that share a closer R/D philosophy to them. Thaecia is ultimately insignificant and small when it comes to their other existing allies. I am moreso concerned about the effect that Europeia will have on our R/D stance. We are currently very much Independent, we raid about as much as we defend. Thaecian liberators are common at big libs, but so are tag runs and their counters in detags. We do everything fairly actively, while Europeia leans heavily into the occupation side of things. We have already seen Europeia begin to influence the Thaempirial Army, with the primary motivation behind our participation being to please Europeia. While our Indie status means that we are obviously going to participate in an occupation here and there, participation for the near sole purpose of pleasing a larger region is not something that feels great. We're Thaecia - not a region of pillers for some ally to call in when they can't gather enough support at home.

In credit to Europeia, they did recently pass a bill mandating a policy, in which contains some form of anti griefing policy, showing progress, but this appeared to be as a result of internal backlash, not external pressure on the part of their allies, still showing how it is likely pointless for Thaecia to try and push Europeia in any direction without strong support from its larger allies.

Okay, you make a large point here so I'll just answer to it here.

Firstly you say we aren't a region of pilers - and you're absolutely right. Which is why it only makes sense that someone who we've already piled with, Europeia, now would be connected to us via a NAP, which means we didn't pile for nothing, and the piling actually advanced our foreign policy. That's what regions usually do - I'm sure TRR has also piled on a Liberation lead by allies - and would be reluctant to pile on a Liberation not lead by allies. This NAP only serves to show that our foreign policy does make sense and have a purpose. From all I heard in the halls of Europeia, there's an impression that Thaecia is a very important region, and we wouldn't have achieved that recognition without piling with them. On the other hand, we've shown that we aren't to be taken for granted by piling on operations against Europeia as well, again achieving recognition.

Just listen to the words "Pact of Non-Aggression". It doesn't mean that we're selling our forces to Europeia, it means that Europeia recognises that we're a force to be reckoned with, and we recognise them. It makes sense - they need us and we need them. Why do we need them? Well, imagine this doesn't pass. The Independent sphere will obviously refuse to work with us, and we're left with Defenders only. We become just another Defender region in a sphere that wouldn't let us have lots of influence because all of it is already taken. They have XKI, TRR, TSP, TGW - we'll be reduced to just pilers, something you actually fear. On the other hand, if this does pass, we'll still have a sphere of our own, only sharing the fame with TEP and a couple of not-so-well-known regions (not even FNR as they've joined the PfS and become yet another Defender region nobody really knows about).

And granted, Europeia has a history of mistakes, but that's just another thing we share with them. We forgive their past mistakes, they forgive ours - that's how FA works and is supposed to work.

As for a possible conflict between the two sides we're allied with - sure, it can happen, I won't deny. We could just stay silent in that case, that would make most sense, as you said. You don't have to choose, what's the point? If an ally would break ties with us because we were silent - well, good riddance, they're not a good ally in that case, especially since they know our situation where we can't support either side. Has anyone ever broken ties with Switzerland because of their neutrality? Not that I have heard of, even though Switzerland did do some questionable things, which we won't.

As for changing Europeia's policy, well, I did say that it's a long shot, and the only thing I said is that it's better than not passing this NAP - a rather obvious point you probably can't refute, and as I said before, not passing this would bury all our chances of changing their ways, also quite obviously.

I know I probably haven't managed to convince Bow as it's close to impossible, but I hope to have shined even more light on things!

Andusre, Brototh, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Dendrobium

I sponsor Andusre to speak on the RMB

Andusre

Hello Senators, sorry for the delay (an explanation is given in #senate of Thaecord). With that in mind,

[spoiler=Some Responses to Bow]

Toerana V wrote:We seem to be trying to become allies and open embassies with everyone... Since December, we have opened embassies with Defender Aligned Regions like the Rejected Realms, XKI and our continued relationship with the League, while simultaneously opening consulates and beginning relations with Independents, some who lean very much into the raider side, just without an official declaration of ideology.

I am confused as to where we attempting to go here, are we trying to be friends with everyone? This is undoubtedly an interesting policy, but I am very concerned that if another TNP-TSP altercation occurs that Thaecia could be stuck in the middle of it, especially if the back channels between the two opposing sides fail to produce results.

From the perspective of the leader of our military, I do not view this is not a bad thing. We simply have no reason to declare an ideology on the R/D spectrum. On the one hand, we have no interest in becoming raiders because we have friends in Defender regions; on the other, we have no interest in becoming defenders because we stand gain both domestically and in FA from raiding here & there. Our unaligned status allows us the flexibility to do whatever we want, to advance Thaecian interests across the wider NS world, and to forge strong relationships with other regions who seek to co-operate with us - defender or raider. We don't need to declare an ideology, we don't want to declare an ideology, so we won't.

To your concerns about being caught in the middle of a battle between two opposing sides of R/D, I think that's a valid concern and it's one I too have thought about. However, such situations are not impossible to navigate. The Free Nations Region, which has diplomatic ties to both The North Pacific and The South Pacific, managed to handle that sensitive diplomatic situation in a way which kept both sides "at bay", and they retain their relationship with both feeders. These crises can be overcome, even if we find ourselves in the middle of two battling sides.

Toerana V wrote:Onto Europeia itself. They have an interesting history in R/D. Most recently, their participation in the raid of The Embassy, which saw the destruction of a prominent inter-regional community that, well, an awful lot of people cared deeply about. While it appears that their leadership received backlash for participation, it has been argued that the destruction of an interregional hub was not "griefing" - Words of our own President, and therefore is okay. Naturally, I think is a silly notion.

"received backlash for participation" is quite the understatement :p The internal backlash against the ERN's participation in The Embassy raid felled the incumbent Europeian president Pichtonia, who lost re-election to Calvin Coolidge. Couple this with the changing of ERN policy on embassy closures (particularly in tags & occupations) and I believe your concerns about this raid should be alleviated. Also, consider that one of the main reasons defenders gave for not trying to liberate Equestria was because the ERN-led hold with participation from the NPA, EPSA & TEA meant the region and its natives would not be subject to griefing.

Toerana V wrote:We have already seen Europeia begin to influence the Thaempirial Army, with the primary motivation behind our participation being to please Europeia. While our Indie status means that we are obviously going to participate in an occupation here and there, participation for the near sole purpose of pleasing a larger region is not something that feels great. We're Thaecia - not a region of pillers for some ally to call in when they can't gather enough support at home.

I can understand all things you have said in this quoted post, apart from this one. This, and I apologise for the bluntness, is absolute nonsense :p As Seva said above we have proven multiple times to Europeia that we are our own region which will not unquestioningly and blindly follow their call to arms in any R/D activity. For example: we liberated the hold in North Africa which the ERN was piling in. And, hell, at today's minor update we liberated Japan - which, again the ERN was piling in! As far as I am aware, Europeia respects our unaligned/independent status and our right to self-determination. I think that mutual respect for each other's R/D priorities has been and will continue to be a key pillar of the Thaecia-Europeia relationship as it continues to grow & flourish.

Toerana V wrote:Alongside this, there is much that the general citizenry doesn't know about Europeia or its community, having had very little time to interact with the other side via the medium of cultural events, joint listening/film watching sessions like we recently saw with FNR and others.

Europeia attended both iterations of the Late Nite Festival and they hosted us for a Region of the Week back in 2020. Granted there may be more room for this sort of cultural co-operation than there has already been so far, but that much is up to the MoFA & Culture Ministry.[/spoiler]

Brototh, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Sevae

i cba to reply, feel free to do what you do best mr chairman

Andusre, Brototh

Toerana V wrote:i cba to reply, feel free to do what you do best mr chairman

Alright well moving on from this topic, how does the Honourable Senator feel about the Regulation of Yogurt Viscosity Act?

serious time: pls can we vote now

Senators, we have begun voting on the Non-Agression Pact Between The Republic of Europeia and Thaecia.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1538107

My vote is Aye.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

Results:

Aye (5) Ashlawn Dendrobium Ermica Pap Sculgief Sevae

Nay (1) Toerana V

Abstain (2) Cerdenia Emazia

The Treaty has passed.

Senators, we have begun debate on the Removal of Shadow Positions and Caucuses Act.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1519420

let's vote for it and get this over with quickly

Edit: actually let's table it again and remove forever, it's a waste of time

Senators, the above bill has been tabled and we have begun debate on the Positions Restrictions Reform Act (2021).

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1538571

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

Brototh

I see no problems with this.

It's a good bill, but I still kinda wish we would just keep the original one and amend it cause it's the oldest Thaecian law still in effect (and also I wrote it so seeing it go is even sadder for me lol).

Islonia, Andusre

Cerdenia wrote:It's a good bill, but I still kinda wish we would just keep the original one and amend it cause it's the oldest Thaecian law still in effect (and also I wrote it so seeing it go is even sadder for me lol).
I feel like the old one was so heavily based around Senators and MPs not being able to have multiple positions a R&R is appropriate

Also ya girl gotta be racking up them authorships yk smh 😔😔✋/s

Islonia

Looks good to me.

I'm also in support of this, will write up a longer post if needed but for now will just say it's a needed change

I have no problem with this bill that has been proposed

Senators, we have started voting on the Positions Restrictions Reform Act (2021).

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1538571

My vote is Abstain.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (CERD)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

The Positions Restrictions Reform Act has passed and is hereby passed onto the House of Commons Marvinville.

Votes:

Aye - Cerdenia, Emazia, Ermica, Pap Sculgief, Sevae

Nay - none

Abstain - Ashlawn, Dendrobium, Toerana V

Senators, we have now begun the Confirmation Hearing for Rhyssuan Peoples for the position of Electoral Commissioner, as nominated by the President.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Cerdenia (CERD)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

Marvinville, Sevae, Rhyssuan Peoples

Support, nothing else to say!

Rhyssuan Peoples

Hello everyone! I'm here and ready to answer your questions (if I miss one, don't hesitate to ping me on discord)

I don't think I wanna question u m8, do u have any ideas of question you would ask yourself?

Cerdenia wrote:Do you have the experience necessary for Electoral Commissioner?

Great question: I have plenty of experience running elections, having served as Electoral Commissioner from March to June 2020 (approximately, this entire year's been a time vortex so I might be a month off). With the departure of our previous EC, we need someone immediately ready to take the reins without a lot of time to learn; I believe I can do that and I hope Congress agrees with me.

Cerdenia

Rhyssua is lucky that I was here to ask the questions that he totally didn't make up!!!!!

Has my support!!!!!

Emazia, Rhyssuan Peoples

You've got my support.

Rhyssuan Peoples

You have my support regardless, but for the sake of transparency, what do you want to do as EC?

Emazia wrote:You have my support regardless, but for the sake of transparency, what do you want to do as EC?

Priority number one is getting the midterm completed reasonably on schedule. Once I'm confirmed, there may be a few changes based on what my predecessor left me (mainly whether I have access to his voter rolls; I'll likely switch to requiring voters TG or DM me a code after voting, at least for this election). I'll also bug some more people to run, make sure I have a competent DEC/AEC in case something happens to me, and see if I can't bug Congress to pass my amendment to the EC act (the one that removes the RNG from redistribution).

Emazia

Even though I have some disagreements with the nominee when it comes to policy, they're extremely qualified for the position and have my full support.

Senators, we have begun voting on the nomination of Rhyssuan Peoples for the position of Electoral Commissioner.

Aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

The Islamic Country Of Honour

aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Aye

The Islamic Country Of Honour

Results:

Aye (7) Ashlawn Cerdenia Dendrobium Emazia Ermica Pap Sculgief Sevae

Nay (0)

Abstain (1) Toerana V

Rhyssuan Peoples nomination for Election Commissioner has been approved by the Senate and will be sent to the House.

[spoiler=Speaker]

Marvinville[/spoiler]

Senators, we have begun debate on the Removal of Shadow Positions and Caucuses Act.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1519420

Brototh

Full Support. Shadow Roles are meaningless.

Post self-deleted by Cerdenia.

Waste of time, Shadow Positions don't even harm this legislature in any way. Has the Chairman really got no agenda at all?

I would like to propose the following amendments, all sponsored by me:

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Amends Article I to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Repeals Reinforces support for LR.027 The Shadow Speaker Act[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendment B]

Amends Article II to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Articles VI and VII from LR.024 The House Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VII in LR.024 to fit accordingly[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendment C]Amends Article III to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Article VI from LR.037 Senate Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VI in LR.037 to fit accordingly[/spoiler]

Ashlawn

In full support of this bill. The Shadow Positions are a total waste of space on the WFE's and serve no purpose at all. Their only "tasks" are already being taken on by deputies and the idea behind the Shadow Positions are no longer up to date or relevant. Additionally, I honestly find it rather ironic that someone who always advocates against "useless bills" or "bills that literally do nothing" is now advocating in favor of an in fact useless position that does literally nothing.

Ashlawn

I absolutely support this bill, as the death of partisanship has made shadow positions irrelevant.

Dendrobium wrote:Additionally, I honestly find it rather ironic that someone who always advocates against "useless bills" or "bills that literally do nothing" is now advocating in favor of an in fact useless position that does literally nothing.

The fact that I'm the only senator not in coalition with the Chairman, and doing opposition to him, proves this is false.

Cerdinia

Cerdenia wrote:The fact that I'm the only senator not in coalition with the Chairman, and doing opposition to him, proves this is false.

Supporting one in becoming Chair doesn't mean "going into coalition" with them. Pretty sad, actually, that you see yourself as the only on in the right here. That you have the feeling only by being Shadow Chair yourself you could ever possibly do opposition in a Congress without even any real set in stone coalitions. And lets just for a moment suppose you are in fact the only one on the right here; lets take a look at what that might mean. Proposing rediculous amendments to a bill you already find useless, only lengthening to time needed to be spent on this topic by doing so? Not very consistent with your outspoken mentality of wanting to spend as little time as possible on every small topic. Besides that, if you wish to keep the Shadow Positions, mind telling us, what exactly have you done as Shadow these last few months? We already got past the opposition argument, that's not worth much, so what is left? Regularly insulting other Congresspeople and the Chair for not doing their job isn't something you need a hollow title for. Proposing amendments like the above ones certainly isn't helpful for the Congressional Process either and only hinders it from doing it's important tasks. So, please, give just one good reason to keep your current amendments and much desired postion.

Ashlawn

Dendrobium wrote:Supporting one in becoming Chair doesn't mean "going into coalition" with them. Pretty sad, actually, that you see yourself as the only on in the right here. That you have the feeling only by being Shadow Chair yourself you could ever possibly do opposition in a Congress without even any real set in stone coalitions. And lets just for a moment suppose you are in fact the only one on the right here; lets take a look at what that might mean. Proposing rediculous amendments to a bill you already find useless, only lengthening to time needed to be spent on this topic by doing so? Not very consistent with your outspoken mentality of wanting to spend as little time as possible on every small topic. Besides that, if you wish to keep the Shadow Positions, mind telling us, what exactly have you done as Shadow these last few months? We already got past the opposition argument, that's not worth much, so what is left? Regularly insulting other Congresspeople and the Chair for not doing their job isn't something you need a hollow title for. Proposing amendments like the above ones certainly isn't helpful for the Congressional Process either and only hinders it from doing it's important tasks. So, please, give just one good reason to keep your current amendments and much desired postion.

Cause I'm god

Brototh, Cerdinia, Mardis

If possible I would like to move on to the abolition of the presidency next, it's also pretty much useless.

Brototh

Cerdenia wrote:If possible I would like to move on to the abolition of the presidency next, it's also pretty much useless.

I concur

Cerdenia

Senators, we have begun voting on the following amendments.

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Amends Article I to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Repeals Reinforces support for LR.027 The Shadow Speaker Act[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendment B]

Amends Article II to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Articles VI and VII from LR.024 The House Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VII in LR.024 to fit accordingly[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendment C]Amends Article III to read as follows (strike denotes removal of words, bold denotes addition of words):

i. Removes Recognises the importance of Article VI from LR.037 Senate Procedures Act

ii. Renames all following articles to VI in LR.037 to fit accordingly[/spoiler]

Nay to All

[spoiler=Senators]

Cerdenia (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (IND)

Ermica (TCU)

Pap Sculgief (IND)

Sevae (IND)

Toerana V (IND)[/spoiler]

Abstain to all, the laws being amended are going to be repealed soon anyway

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