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Aye (7) Brototh World Trade Hulldom Emazia Dendrobium Rayekka Ashlawn

Nay (1) Marvinville

Abstain (1) Cydoni

The bill passes Snowflame.

Senators, we have begun debate on the Delegacy Transition Act as amended by the House. The Author Andusre is permitted to speak during the debate.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1466346

Let's just get this rubbish over with and pass it. Anyone who tries to reintroduce WT's amendment without a very good reason, and does it just to annoy me or the House, I will be very upset with.

Given that the original endo-cap of 50% was eliminated when proposed by the House, I’m completely fine passing this.

Post self-deleted by World Trade.

Brototh wrote:Let's just get this rubbish over with and pass it. Anyone who tries to reintroduce WT's amendment without a very good reason, and does it just to annoy me our the House, I will be very upset with.

[spoiler=joke which i probably shouldn't make on the senate rmb but eh]

Senator: reintroduces WT's amendment to spite the House

Brototh: HOW DARE YOU UNDERMINE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE[/spoiler]

But yes please do pass this, would be very cool of you and I think the compromise reached satisfies all sides.

Taungu, Ashlawn, World Trade, Brototh, Emazia, Dendrobium, Sevae

Andusre wrote:[spoiler=joke which i probably shouldn't make on the senate rmb but eh]

Senator: reintroduces WT's amendment to spite the House

Brototh: HOW DARE YOU UNDERMINE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE[/spoiler]

But yes please do pass this, would be very cool of you and I think the compromise reached satisfies all sides.

You made me laugh, so, we let it slide xp

Taungu, Ashlawn, World Trade, Andusre, Emazia, Sevae

I would like to propose this amendment

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Amends Article II, Section III:

Section III - The Responsibilities of the Founder(s) incoming president

The WAD-elect Founder account, Thaecia Founder, must send a telegram to all residents in the world assembly who are not endorsing the WAD-elect, encouraging them to do so. The account must do this within 7 days of the release of the results of the presidential election.

[/spoiler]

Please let me know your thoughts and ideas of how we can change it if you disagree with this. Also the language is not ideal in the first sentence so please let me know if you would like to change it.

I will vote against the Right Honourable Senator Marvinville's amendment due to the fact viewing % is more likely higher when sent from Thaecia Founder rather than from the President.

Amendment A is actually something I was planning on writing.in fact, my earlier post was proposing an amendment similar to this one. However, I wanted to bring it up with the other Senators and Andy first. This is an amendment I do support, but there isn't much harm from this bill specifically if it doesn't pass. It could be seen as setting a precedent, but it also could not. I would love to hear my fellow Senator's thoughts on this amendment.

Personally I can't see any harm in Amendement A. If necessary the WAD-elect can always (informally) ask the founder account to aid them in spreading this message. However I do not think the bill will be of less quality without this Amendement, we should be cautious of putting too much work onto the founder account. In short I agree with Senators World Trade and Marvinville, though I would suggest changing the usage of "incoming president" to "WAD-elect" simply for the sake of clarity and uniformity throughout the bill.

World Trade, Marvinville

Emazia wrote:I will vote against the Right Honourable Senator Marvinville's amendment due to the fact viewing % is more likely higher when sent from Thaecia Founder rather than from the President.

Although this could be true (although we can't actually say for sure), is it really worth setting the precedent that the founder account can be given power in the law registry (outside of appointing regional officers) because a couple less people would see it? With the telegrams being sent out by the WA-elect, the delegacy will be transitioned quite quickly, and so I don't see the point in keeping it.

Dendrobium, Marvinville

I edited the amendment to dendro's suggestion

World Trade, Dendrobium

Senators, we have begun voting on Amendment A by the Hon. Senator Marvinville.

[spoiler=Amendment A]

Amends Article II, Section III:

Section III - The Responsibilities of the Founder(s) incoming president

The WAD-elect Founder account, Thaecia Founder, must send a telegram to all residents in the world assembly who are not endorsing the WAD-elect, encouraging them to do so. The account must do this within 7 days of the release of the results of the presidential election.

[/spoiler]

My vote is nay

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Aye

Marvinville

Post by Blue Meadows suppressed by The Chairman Of The Senate.

Blue Meadows

Dictatorship in Thaecia. There should be no nation within Thaecia Region with any form of Dictatorship. As I stand here today, we will not give up until every nation in Thaecia which governs by any form of Dictatorship is expelled from this region.

Any help with getting this movement moving is much appreciated.

How do you feel?

All Dictatorship in the Thaecia Region should be banned!

Aye

Marvinville

final bill vote

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1469404

aye

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Snowflame The above bill has passed.

Senators, we are now debating these amendments to the Congressional Toolbox Act.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dendrobium/detail=factbook/id=1465685

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

I would like to motion for a hearing with Thaecia's Foreign Affairs Minister Andusre to question him on the events that have been hidden from the general public during UCRCon, which our region was negatively affected by. It is our job to conduct oversight on the executive branch so we can be informed on current issues that involve the region.

If this motion passes, we have decided to hold a private hearing on discord so any "confidential" information will not jeopardize the region in any way so the FAM can continue his work and so we can do our job in oversight.

Brototh

The above debate has been tabled and the motion voting will begin. Under L.R.034 Congressional Toolbox Act Article I Section III, a motion must pass with a simple majority, which is 5 (five) votes.

Senators, we have begun voting.

My vote is Nay.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Aye

Marvinville

Aye

Marvinville

Aye

Marvinville

Brototh wrote:Snowflame The above bill has passed.

Senators, we are now debating these amendments to the Congressional Toolbox Act.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dendrobium/detail=factbook/id=1465685

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

We have restarted debate

So basically this Amendement would define how hearings would work and all things around it, because, ironically, we have seen how messy it can otherwise get. Would vote yes, very smexy.

World Trade, Marvinville

I don't see anything that's necessarily objectionable.

We have begun voting.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dendrobium/detail=factbook/id=1465685

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Post self-deleted by Brototh.

Post self-deleted by Brototh.

Aye

Dendrobium

Snowflame, the above bill has passed. We are now debating on the amended Military Commission Act. I have decided to do this instead of Hulldom's bills as I believe personally that it is more pressing. We will be doing Hulldom's first bill next.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=speaker_snowflame/detail=factbook/id=1470709

The House added some cosmetic amendments tbh, I don't really see it influencing our vote choices. Unless we have something to say, vote will begin ASAP.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Aye

World Trade

Emazia wrote:Aye

love the enthusiasm but this do be a debate

Emazia

I’m not seeing any issues with the amendments.

World Trade, Brototh, Emazia

Brototh wrote:Snowflame, the above bill has passed. We are now debating on the amended Military Commission Act. I have decided to do this instead of Hulldom's bills as I believe personally that it is more pressing. We will be doing Hulldom's first bill next.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=speaker_snowflame/detail=factbook/id=1470709

The House added some cosmetic amendments tbh, I don't really see it influencing our vote choices. Unless we have something to say, vote will begin ASAP.

[spoiler=Senators]

Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

we'll vote. Aye

Aye

World Trade

Aye (at the correct time for once)

World Trade

Aye

World Trade

Nay

Marvinville

Well boys we did it. The military exists. I ask any deputy chair to start the debate on the next bill. Need to go sort some stuff out

Brototh wrote:Well boys we did it. The military exists. I ask any deputy chair to start the debate on the next bill. Need to go sort some stuff out

Going off this, we are now debating on the net bill which amends L.R. 009:

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1465455

So now I have actually been able to read the bill throught, I have a few remarks:

1. In the amended version, it reads that "A Recall [...] required the filing of a criminal case against them by the Justice Minister or the intervention of NationStates moderators, [...]." This would mean only the JM or NS moderators would have the ability to file a case. Let that sink in for a moment. Say the JM is occupied with other, possibly more pressing, matters or, as is the case now, is a vacant position, then no one else will be able to bring this issue to the Court; that is of course ignoring NS mods for obvious reasons. Besides that, some cases would most likely be brought up by someone other than the JM, for whatever reason but an example might be close ties between the person who would be brought to Court and the JM, but this Amendement would rule that possibility out.

2. Second to that, this Amendement also attempts to define a time period of inactivity or lack of participation after which one may be filed a case against. I beleive this is a necessary part and it would be good to include this definition. However, I also believe we all agree that IRL-related things overrule NS-related things. Maybe it would be better if there were just a few words added which allow members of Congress to gain protection from these criminal cases or recalls if they passed on a message to the Chair or Speaker, or to their Chamber of Congress as a whole stating their temporary absence.

Before submitting Amendements, I would like to hear the thoughts of both the author of this bill and the other Senators, to see wether there are other people who might share these concerns or if there has been a misunderstanding from either side.

Dendrobium wrote:~snip~

I’m perfectly fine if you want to amend the section about the time. Preferably to something like “without a previously announced leave of absence”. And I’m not suggesting in the first amended clause that only the JM or NS moderator could do so-I’m suggesting that recall can only if criminal law is broken or NS site rules is broken egregiously. Which, as I remember, is the standard.

I would like to propose the following AMendements:

[spoiler=Amendement A]Changes the first part of this bill to say:

"A Recall may only be enacted against a member of Congress if they are deemed to have broken the laws of Thaecia or of NationStates, which required the filing of a criminal case against them by the Justice Minister or the intervention of NationStates moderators[...]"[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendement B:]Changes the last part of this bill to say:

"[...]or have endured a prolonged period of inactivity-defined as missing at least four consecutive votes or having not logged into their NationStates nation in at least ten days without previously declaring said absence to the Speaker of the House of Commons or the House of Commons, or the Chairperson of the Senate or the Senate."[/spoiler]

Dendrobium wrote:I would like to propose the following AMendements:

[spoiler=Amendement A]Changes the first part of this bill to say:

"A Recall may only be enacted against a member of Congress if they are deemed to have broken the laws of Thaecia or of NationStates, which required the filing of a criminal case against them by the Justice Minister or the intervention of NationStates moderators[...]"[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendement B:]Changes the last part of this bill to say:

"[...]or have endured a prolonged period of inactivity-defined as missing at least four consecutive votes or having not logged into their NationStates nation in at least ten days without previously declaring said absence to the Speaker of the House of Commons or the House of Commons, or the Chairperson of the Senate or the Senate."[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

We shall now vote on the above amendments.

A: Aye

B: Aye

Senators, we shall now vote on the final bill.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1473599

My vote is Aye

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Snowflame the above bill has passed.

Senators we will now debate on the Congressional Reduction Act 2020.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1450606

While the House has been a thousand percent more efficent this term undoubtedly, very good job to Snowflame and all the MPs, there is no doubt in our minds that the House must be reduced in size. I doubt many will disagree with this bill. Please voice concern if you have any.

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

Sevae

Not a fan on principle, but...sorely needed.

Let’s do this thing.

After what has happened since the house expansion we can all see that increasing its size to 15 seats was not the best idea. However, it would be too small for our quite large region if we were to revert it entirely, and thus, I feel, this is good compromise between the two.

Absolutely necessary bill and, without any intention of sounding rude to those it applies to, people who do not think so probably haven't been paying attention for the lest few months. I will be voting Aye.

Very necessary I will support.

I believe the house has greatly improved this term, however it does have its challenges. I don't see a 2 seat difference will do much to change the current house or make it better. I will vote against this bill once we start voting.

I'd like to propose the following amendment:

[spoiler=Amendment A]Changes Article 1 to say:

"The House of Commons will be reduced by 4 seats, to a total of 11 seats."[/spoiler]

At the request of the Chairman the above bill has been tabled.

Senators, we have begun debate on The WA Constitutional Amendment.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1465683

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

I know Ashlawn has said he wants to amend this to make something clearer, he has my blessing.

As for what I’m attempting to do: in trying to put Thaecia on the map, we need a WA presence outside of individual authors, we need a WA office. This would allow for the President to create said office or create an officer responsible for WA affairs.

I'd like to propose the following amendment:

[spoiler=Amendment A]Changes Amendment 1 to say:

"The President or nominated Vice President has the authority to represent the region as a whole for matters relating to voting in the World Assembly, though the President may delegate day-to-day duties relating to WA Affairs, excluding voting on proposals, to any office or Thaecian that they see fit."[/spoiler]

We will now vote on the below amendment

Abstain

[spoiler=Senators]Ashlawn (IND)

Brototh (TPU)

Cydoni (IND)

Dendrobium (SOL)

Emazia (TPU)

Hulldom (LPT)

Marvinville (TFP)

Rayekka (IND)

World Trade (LPT)[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Amendment A]Changes Amendment 1 to say:

"The President or nominated Vice President has the authority to represent the region as a whole for matters relating to voting in the World Assembly, though the President may delegate day-to-day duties relating to WA Affairs, excluding voting on proposals, to any office or Thaecian that they see fit."[/spoiler]

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