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Korsinia, The Marconian State
We ought to get this party started very soon.
Your wish is my command!
I am happy to announce the (tardy) opening of the 1st Thaecian Senate! More information is available in the factbook linked here:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_chairman_of_the_senate/detail=factbook/id=1157117
We look forward to a productive first senate, and apologise sincerely for the late opening of the upper chamber!
[spoiler=Senators]
Titanne[/spoiler]
I ask that Chairman Taralania makes an alt nation to be send here so he can be granted permissions over the Senate's necessary functions.
Cerdenia, Myrineos, South Azamm
this name doesn't fit, but im Taralania, and this was also the only puppet i had that had over a lotta people
The Chairman Of The Senate
Hello members of the Thaecian Senate!
Im very happy to have this opportunity to help craft and approve legislation with all of you. I hope that we can work together and avoid petty squabbles between political parties, because really, are we that different?
Taralania
yes, yes we are. the technocratic party will be our downfall maaan
Its true. They dont have any seats in the senate though, do they?
Taralania
that doesn't matter, they will totally find a way, duuuuuude
Titanne
Also who is the Shadow Chairman? The leader of the second largest coalition?
Or does the Shadow Chairman act as an assistant of sorts to Taralania?
Fair enough
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1182434
Titanne
I feel that our constitutional review must put an emphasis on the Supreme Court of Thaecia. How will we appoint the justices?
Will they serve a set term or a life-long term?
Taralania
Welcome, Senate Chairman Broustan, to the Senate! May your tenure be fruitful and productive.
Cerdenia
Ight bois here we go. Lets hope this goes better than last time...
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=senate_chairman_broustan/detail=factbook/id=1190802
Here's our first topic of debate! Factbook arguments should be submitted in this order:
If you all would be so kind as to read and write quickly I would really appreciate it. Something I just realized, make sure you put your main points in the Factbook, but debate can simply be done here in the RMB.
Hi guys! Slightly confused as to what Im commenting on. Isnt that a house bill?
It is, but it's passed the house, so it's our turn to debate it. If we give it the ok, it's a law. If we vote it down we send it back to the house.
Ohhhh ok. Thanks again.
SNAP ELECTION FOR THE THAECIAN SENATE
The upper chamber of the Thaecian legislature has, in essence, collapsed due to inactivity. To ratify this situation, the leaders of the Senate have agreed to call a snap election. All citizens (WA residents) are eligible to vote and run in this election. Votes cast by non-WA nations without a waiver shall be excluded from the final result. The election will take place on the 6th April. To declare your candidacy for this election, you must inform (by any means) President Xernon of your intention to run by the 5th April. If you do not, you will be excluded from the ballot.
Best of luck to all candidates and parties.
Cerdenia, Xernon, Greater Conexus, Senate Chairman Broustan, South Azamm
RESULTS FROM THE SNAP ELECTION
Congratulations to the following citizens for their election victory:[list]
[*]Titanne
[*]Cerdenia
[*]Albianis
[*]Developing World[/list]
Hopefully this term will be more productive than the last. Best of luck!
Saint Ryvern, Cerdenia, Developing World, Xernon, Duras, Greater Conexus
Home sweet new home:)))
Xernon, Duras
Resolution on the Viscosity of Yogurt and other Dairy Products - H.B. 002
Author: The Marconian State
Sponsor: The Marconian State
WHEREAS the viscosity of yogurt within the region is either too liquid or too thick,
WHEREAS some cheeses, when processed in certain fashions, may cause health concerns to the general populace,
ENACTS a regulatory body called the Thaecian Cheese and Yogurt Administration (CYA) in order to properly regulate the viscosity and processing of yogurts and other cheese and dairy products,
BARS any yogurt, cheese, and other dairy products from making it onto the market without inspection by the CYA,
DELEGATES the structure of the regulatory body of the CYA to the President,
ALLOCATES funds to pay for the expenses of the CYA every financial year, adjusted for inflation, with increases or decreases to the budget to be approved by the House and Senate, as according to the Constitution.
The Bigtopia, Zanaana
This is the first bill we will be voting on.
Ministerial Hearings Act - H.B. 001
Author: Rayekka
Sponsor: Rayekka
To further the checks & balances purpose of Congress. Hereby enacts the following.
The purpose of Ministerial Hearings is for Congress to submit questions to a specific Minister in the executive government, to make sure progress and competence is being carried out by the executive branch. All members of the Government are subject to Ministerial Hearings. Members of the Government are defined as the Prime Minister, the Minister for Home Affairs, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Justice Minister, the Cultural/Entertainment Minister, and the Roleplay Minister. The President is not subject to Ministerial Hearings. Ministerial Hearings will be held on that Houses RMB.
Every Monday, the House of Commons business will stop and the Speaker will call upon a Minister to speak in the House of Commons (what Minister is called is set out in Section 4). Throughout the week Members of Parliament will be able to submit questions to the Speaker. On Monday, the Speaker will then select and submit 5 questions to the Minister that must be answered that day.
When the Prime Minister is called to a hearing. The Speaker can select and submit 8 questions to the Prime Minister.
Ministers may also make statements to the House as separate to answering questions.
Every Friday, Senate business will stop and the Senate President will call upon a Minister to speak in the Senate (what Minister is called is set out in Section 4). Throughout the week Senators will be able to submit questions to the Senate President. On Friday, the Senate President will then select and submit 5 questions to the Minister that must be answered that day.
When the Prime Minister is called to a hearing. The Senate President can select and submit 8 questions to the Prime Minister.
Ministers may also make statements to the Senate as separate to answering questions.
Ministerial Hearings are ran on a 6 week schedule. The House of Commons & Senate schedules will be different.
House of Commons Schedule:
Week 1: The Prime Minister
Week 2: The Culture/Entertainment Minister
Week 3: The Foreign Affairs Minister
Week 4: The Justice Minister
Week 5: The Home Affairs Minister
Week 6: The Roleplay Minister
Senate Schedule:
Week 1: The Justice Minister
Week 2: The Home Affairs Minister
Week 3: The Roleplay Minister
Week 4: The Prime Minister
Week 5: The Culture/Entertainment Minister
Week 6: The Foreign Affairs Minister
Urgent Ministerial Hearings are un-scheduled hearings that will be held if a group of Members of Parliament or Senators believe one is required.
In order for an Urgent Ministerial Hearing to be held, a proposal must be put to the floor of that chamber and passed with a simple majority. If the proposal passes, the Urgent Ministerial Hearing must be held within 3 days of the proposal being passed, not including Mondays and Fridays.
In the event of an Urgent Ministerial Hearing, members of the chamber holding the Hearing may submit questions as they please in which the Minister must answer all of them that day.
Urgent Ministerial Hearings will be held in that chambers RMB.
This law shall come into effect the next Monday after this law is passed.
Cerdenia, Greater Conexus
Please read these! Here are the first two bills that we will vote on.
I see. I have some Amendments to this one
Im actually not sure if were allowed to amend the house bills. To be clear, we will be debating the dairy one first.
So we are not? Wierd but ok
Im not entirely sure. I have sent. Xernon a telegram asking.
I support this bill at it's current state, I am sure it will do a good job at helping the government and the region as a whole to understand the performance of the cabinet (if it has any problems which the Parliament could possibly adress through legislation for example). Not sure what exactly Developing has planned for his amendment, however I am unsure if the Senate is technically allowed to amend legislation. Our constitution states:
"Any bill drafted and proposed to the House must achieve 50% of the chamber's support. If it meets this threshold, it shall be passed to the Senate where it also must achieve 50% support. If it fails to reach 50% support in the Senate, it may be sent back to the Commons to be amended or scrapped. If it does command a half of the Senate's support, it will become law. The same process will be applied for bills originating in the Senate, which will be sent to the House upon passage."
So judging by my interpretation, if we were to amend the bill on the Senate we would require for it to be sent back to the House once again to be voted there, considering that if the bill was amended it's version approved in the Senate technically wasn't approved by the House, and it seems as if a proposal requires 50% of both chambers to become law. At the same time the Constitution is technically not being fully enforced yet, so I am not sure if that really matters, either way I believe it's an issue which should be brought up on our constitutional convention.
Thursday night, assuming that the Senate has received a response about amending legislation, we will have an official debate about House Bill #2. This debate will be held in between 3:00 and 4:00 pm. Please do not comment on the Senate RMB, but telegram one of the senators with your concerns or ideas. All citizens of Thaecia
Yes, that is what I thought as well, but just to be sure.
Post self-deleted by Titanne.
Please disregard any talk I had about a timed debate. I see that this was flawed tanks to Cerdenia, so the debate WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Cerdenia
Debates may now begin on The Marconian States Bill. Xernon has clarified, and amendments proceed as Cerdenia thought.
Resolution on the Viscosity of Yogurt and other Dairy Products - H.B. 002
Author: The Marconian State
Sponsor: The Marconian State
WHEREAS the viscosity of yogurt within the region is either too liquid or too thick,
WHEREAS some cheeses, when processed in certain fashions, may cause health concerns to the general populace,
ENACTS a regulatory body called the Thaecian Cheese and Yogurt Administration (CYA) in order to properly regulate the viscosity and processing of yogurts and other cheese and dairy products,
BARS any yogurt, cheese, and other dairy products from making it onto the market without inspection by the CYA,
DELEGATES the structure of the regulatory body of the CYA to the President,
ALLOCATES funds to pay for the expenses of the CYA every financial year, adjusted for inflation, with increases or decreases to the budget to be approved by the House and Senate, as according to the Constitution.
Please post any comments you have here!
I am absolutely against this resolution. The senate is late, we have no time to debate joke Roleplay Legislation, RP legislation occasionally wouldn't be a problem, but currently the senate has more important things to do. I encourage all Senators to vote against this resolution when voting time comes, let's just vote this down quickly so we won't have to waste anymore time.
also Titanne Andusre asked me to ask you to join discord so I am just posting this here so he won't get mad at me lol.
Pekares, Developing World, Andusre, Xernon, Titanne, Greater Conexus
It is way to early to vote on RP legislation. We should first adress the important issues for Thaecia and after that vote on RP legislation. I will vote against any RP legislation during my first three months. After that I might reconsider
Cerdenia
Still a no. We can put this legislation on hold until we have time for it. Now, let's vote on Rayekka's bill.
So we can not amend it?
Ministerial Hearings Act - H.B. 001
Author: Rayekka
Sponsor: Rayekka
To further the checks & balances purpose of Congress. Hereby enacts the following.
The purpose of Ministerial Hearings is for Congress to submit questions to a specific Minister in the executive government, to make sure progress and competence is being carried out by the executive branch. All members of the Government are subject to Ministerial Hearings. Members of the Government are defined as the Prime Minister, the Minister for Home Affairs, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Justice Minister, the Cultural/Entertainment Minister, and the Roleplay Minister. The President is not subject to Ministerial Hearings. Ministerial Hearings will be held on that Houses RMB.
Every Monday, the House of Commons business will stop and the Speaker will call upon a Minister to speak in the House of Commons (what Minister is called is set out in Section 4). Throughout the week Members of Parliament will be able to submit questions to the Speaker. On Monday, the Speaker will then select and submit 5 questions to the Minister that must be answered that day.
When the Prime Minister is called to a hearing. The Speaker can select and submit 8 questions to the Prime Minister.
Ministers may also make statements to the House as separate to answering questions.
Every Friday, Senate business will stop and the Senate President will call upon a Minister to speak in the Senate (what Minister is called is set out in Section 4). Throughout the week Senators will be able to submit questions to the Senate President. On Friday, the Senate President will then select and submit 5 questions to the Minister that must be answered that day.
When the Prime Minister is called to a hearing. The Senate President can select and submit 8 questions to the Prime Minister.
Ministers may also make statements to the Senate as separate to answering questions.
Ministerial Hearings are ran on a 6 week schedule. The House of Commons & Senate schedules will be different.
House of Commons Schedule:
Week 1: The Prime Minister
Week 2: The Culture/Entertainment Minister
Week 3: The Foreign Affairs Minister
Week 4: The Justice Minister
Week 5: The Home Affairs Minister
Week 6: The Roleplay Minister
Senate Schedule:
Week 1: The Justice Minister
Week 2: The Home Affairs Minister
Week 3: The Roleplay Minister
Week 4: The Prime Minister
Week 5: The Culture/Entertainment Minister
Week 6: The Foreign Affairs Minister
Urgent Ministerial Hearings are un-scheduled hearings that will be held if a group of Members of Parliament or Senators believe one is required.
In order for an Urgent Ministerial Hearing to be held, a proposal must be put to the floor of that chamber and passed with a simple majority. If the proposal passes, the Urgent Ministerial Hearing must be held within 3 days of the proposal being passed, not including Mondays and Fridays.
In the event of an Urgent Ministerial Hearing, members of the chamber holding the Hearing may submit questions as they please in which the Minister must answer all of them that day.
Urgent Ministerial Hearings will be held in that chambers RMB.
This law shall come into effect the next Monday after this law is passed.
Personally I believe we should give it a bit more time to debate, I was the only Senator who even gave an opinion on it.
No.
Crap
I agree, and Developing World just gave his opinion. All of us are no's, so let's just hold off for a few weeks until we have free time
Agreed
I vote AYE on this bill, with the specification that the Amendment thing must be fixed. What is even the point of another filter of bills who cannot modify anything?
I was reffering to Rayekka's bill, just give it at least a few more hours of debate so that Greater Conexus and Albianis can give their opinions.
There is no point in that if they cannot amend anything
I
We can, but it has to go back to the House of Commons for ratifications.
Cerdenia
Fine. Then I propose an Amendment
Of course. The vote will probably take place tomorrow.
Cerdenia
Go ahead and write it up then!
Debates are what generate the betterment of ideas, a Senator may look at this bill at first and think of voting aye, but maybe after seeing a convincing argument he will vote nay, debates aren't just for amendments.
Developing World, Greater Conexus
I propose that the President must also come every 4 months with a speech containing the progress and regress Thaecia made during that period of time and his proposals for the next 4 months, like the SOTU
Xernon, Titanne, Albianis
I will write it up more beautifully when I have time, but u guys get the point, so let's debate it
Cerdenia
True point. Sorry
Cerdenia
You should write the actual changes to the bill, not just ask for the Chairman to change it based on what you want...
Cerdenia, Titanne
What do you guys think of my idea?
Titanne
That sounds like a good amendment, although it will need to be written up with the current bill as a seperate bill. In that case, if the Senate approves your amendment, we will vote down the current bill and vote for the amended one.
Developing World
Anybody else having other opinions?
Sounds good I guess, I would vote in favour of this bill with or without this amendment.
Developing World
So would I. While I would prefer it with the President included, either way is a step in the right direction. I am unsure how I will vote. It really depends on Greater Conexus and Albianis on what happens to the amendment.
Developing World
Post self-deleted by Developing World.
Amendment proposal:
The President, while not a subject of the Ministerial Hearings, must give a report to both chambers about the state of Thaecia and the future plans for the region after every 4 months passed. After that he must take at maximum 5 questions from each chamber selected by the Speaker/Chairman and asked by the members of the chamber
Amendment Proposal:
Exchange all references to 'Culture / Entertainment Minister' with 'Culture Minister'
I apologize for my tardiness I was in the Convention where this exact issue was brought up.
This should be a very quick debate on this amendment Titanne, so my recommendation to the Chairman is to put this one up for debate first to save time for Developing World's proposal to be debated.
Cerdenia, Xernon
Our next proposal will be another House bill, and then we will move on to your bill.
Thank you.
I will start the voting period tomorrow on your amendment. If it passes, I will send it back to Rayekka, if it does not, we will debate the bill in its current state.
Apologies for the confusion I was referring to the amendment proposals...
Titanne
Oh ok.
Albaniass Amendment Proposal:
Exchange all references to 'Culture / Entertainment Minister' with 'Culture Minister'
We will now begin voting on Albianiss proposal to amend Rayekkas legislation. All those in favor, say Aye, all those opposed say nay, and all those who wish to abstain say abstain. Cerdenia
Aye
Aye
Titanne
Aye
And with that vote, Albianiss Amendment is passed!
Cerdenia
Developing Worlds Amendment proposal:
The President, while not a subject of the Ministerial Hearings, must give a report to both chambers about the state of Thaecia and the future plans for the region after every 4 months passed. After that he must take at maximum 5 questions from each chamber selected by the Speaker/Chairman and asked by the members of the chamber.
We will now begin voting on Developing Worlds Amendment. We will follow the same system as before.
Aye.
Aye
Am I allowed to ask for an amendment to Developing Worlds proposal?
If it passes I guess so, amending the amendment which hasn't even passed yet would be quite weird though xD
Sorry, I was thinking about another thing entirely, Ill petition my own amendment.
Aye for the proposal
Proposal for amendment:
1. The Ministerial Hearings may be released to the public, if the Senate has voted to do so with a 50% majority.
2. Failing to provide a Ministerial Hearing to the Senate during the correct time and date willl be grounds for impeachment, if the minister has no excuse.
3. The excuse written above shall be defined as medical problems, travel, work-related problems(irl), school, etc.
And with that, Developing Worlds Amendment passes. I will telegram Rayekka right away with our changes.
Oh never mind.
We will now begin voting on Greater Conexuss amendments. Same system, please.
Also, the RMB is open, so the hearings should be held there. School should also be an excuse.
Greater Conexus
Aye
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I am opposed to this. First the ministerial hearings are already public, this can be seen here for example:
"'Every Monday, the House of Commons business will stop and the Speaker will call upon a Minister to speak in the House of Commons..."
or here:
"Every Friday, Senate business will stop and the Senate President will call upon a Minister to speak in the Senate..."
Calling upon ministers to speak in the house and senate is obviously reffered to the house and senate regions, as it's the only place all MPs and Senators have acess to. As for impeachments, I believe they would be justified if the failure happened multiple times, just forgetting about one hearing leading you to be impeached is quite exaggerated.
Xernon, Titanne, Greater Conexus
Nay
Good point. I now say nay to Greater Conxeus and aye to Cerdenia.
Cerdenia
Greater Conexus do you agree with this?
Post self-deleted by Titanne.
How about I remove the made public thingy, then change the impeachment time to 4 weeks of sustained absence in ministerial hearings?
What about the failure to appear at two consecutive hearings can result in an impeachment?
Thats better...
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