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Region: The Thaecian Senate
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Closing of the Vote on the Fourth Constitution Act
We are now closing the vote on the Fourth Constitution Act
All the seven Senators have voted in favour of this bill, and thus this bill fulfils the requirement of a two-thirds majority and passes the Senate.
Presumptive Speaker Of Altonianic Islands, I hereby present to you the Fourth Constitution Act for consideration by the House.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Opening of the Debate on the Emergency Impeachable Offences Act
Senators, we are now starting the debate period on the Emergency Impeachable Offences Act.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Tabling of the Current Business and Starting of the Debate on the Prime Minister's Nominations
I am tabling the current business "Emergency Impeachable Offences Act".
I am hereby initiating the debate on the Prime Minister's nominee for the Culture Minister Requelizza and the Prime Minister's nominee for the Justice Minister Democratized Peoples.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Hi Senators, below you'll find a link to my announcement of the nominees:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=45095118
In this statement, I explain their qualifications and why I feel that they are equipped to join our Cabinet. If you have any questions for them, please do share them so we can get them addressed. As always, I thank you very much for your consideration.
Prime Minister
The Islamic Country Of Honour
Questions for Requelizza:
A. To you, what would be an active Culture Ministry?
B. Which area of entertainment do you wish the Culture Ministry to focus on?
C. In your first two weeks in office, can you give us a brief overview of the events that you wish to organise?
D. How do you plan to translate your plans into actions?
E. Do you have a specific plan on how you will be organising your Culture Ministry? If so, can you describe it?
F. As Culture Minister, alongside the normal games, is it also feasible to organise our own customised games/events?
G. What would you identify as the biggest problem with the present Culture Ministry?
H. How do you plan to ensure a decent turnout for the games/events the Culture Ministry would be organising?
I. What would you consider your signature project of your term?
Questions for Democratized Peoples (Peeps):
A. To you, what would be the main purpose and objectives of the Justice Ministry?
B. What would be something you plan to do differently from Cerdenias Ministry?
C. Do you have any new projects in mind for the Justice Ministry?
D. Do you want the Justice Ministry to take charge of rectifying and improving on certain laws, or do you want it to focus solely on identifying the faults in the laws?
E. Do you have anyone in mind for Deputy Minister at the moment?
F. What would be an active Justice Ministry to you?
Xernon
A. The Justice Ministry should provide legal support to the executive, thoroughly prosecute violation of Thaecian law, proactively look for ways to improve our laws, and provide legal tools such as the Bar Exam to the rest of the region.
B. I think Cerdenia has done a very good job as Justice Minister. If anything I would grow the staff of the JM a little bit in order to train up a future JM and also refine the Bar Exam to focus more on interpretation skills than reading comprehension.
C. I don't have any specific project in mind other than ensuring that the executive is fully briefed on the impacts and implications of the new Constitution, assuming that it passes.
D. The JM should actively propose solutions to faults found in our body of law.
E. I do not have anyone in mind but will look to hire one.
F. An active JM would ensure that legal violations are timely prosecuted, clarifications to bad laws are suggested, JM candidates are trained, and the Bar Exam is routinely updated.
Xernon
My answers are very verbose, sometimes redundant, and sometimes veer off the topic of the question. I apologise in advance.
A. An active Culture Ministry would to me be a Culture Ministry that way more than fulfils its barebones minimum required and acceptable activity. Being active includes having frequent activities like hosted game nights, polls, RMB discussions et cetera. It also includes behind-the-scenes activity, i.e. input, throughput and output from the Culture Ministrys internal staff and the organiser themself. For example, staff attending CM meetings, discussing and revising a CM schedule and enlisting for particular events, with the Culture Minister actively overseeing it all. However, required acceptable activeness is subjective and completely determined by the regions needs which the ministry caters to. Supply needs to meet demand. More on this later.
B. Whatever the public wishes for. Participating and taking part in entertainment is and should always be voluntary and decided by the individual. An unsuccessful game night where the host must resort to asking people to join feels forced, whereas a successful game night where turnout is naturally good is more ideal and something I will strive for. Therefore, asking the regions residents what they would enjoy and consider partaking in, ideally through a poll, would tell the ministry what pieces of entertainment to consider for the majority to be satisfied. This does not mean I do not already have plans for particular types of entertainment which I believe will have a good turnout. The key to success lies in acknowledging feedback from event attendees, discussing entertainment with staff and looking back at history to optimally structure the schedule so that it fits peoples needs and time zones.
C. Pertaining to my answer to the previous question I do have concrete plans for specific events (mostly) but will try to form a schedule on the basis of some sort of questionnaire like a poll. Therefore, my first week would probably be me getting accustomed to my post, my staff and the channels in the Executive Server, having a meeting with the CM staff, possibly starting the work on a schedule, and posting a link to a poll on the RMB as well as in Thaecord where residents may vote on different forms of entertainment like off-site games and RMB-related on-site activities like trivia contests. My second week would be assigning staff to host the first events, choosing times of the most general activity for the best potential turnout, also taking into account the staffers time zones and suitability for hosting particular events. I believe in quality over quantity, so if problems and delays occur - both regarding myself and other staff - I will wait and postpone events to give the best experience. Real life always takes precedence.
D. By diligently overseeing that the ministry functions in every aspect, of course with the help of others. We plan to accomplish our reasonably set goals for the term by creating and fulfilling realistic deliverables and holding me and my staff accountable to the public. For the goals piece, we plan to break down the Prime Minister's objectives for the Culture Ministry into manageable sub-goals across two key areas: on-site and off-site sub-objectives. This will allow us to organize what we want to accomplish into realistic daily and weekly objectives. For the communications piece, we want to hold ourselves accountable and realise we have huge expectations especially after a slow start to the term in the Culture Ministry. Therefore, we will seek to update the region at least once a week on our progress.
E. Yes, and it has to a large extent been explained already in previous questions. I will oversee that all staff are available when needed and know what they are supposed to do when hosting different events. I will hold periodic meetings where I transparently discuss the state of the ministry. In these meetings, I also plan on discussing the schedule and working on revising it, taking all staffers ideas and suggestions into account, but also trying to incorporate feedback from people who have attended events into it, striving to reach uniform optimality and satisfaction. Much more initial planning cannot be done as this post is new to me. Certain novel problems will have to be tackled right when they appear, but I can learn from them and plan accordingly for the future. Since I am but one person, certain areas will be handled by others, like the aforementioned plan to have the Prime Minister break down the ministry into two areas.
F. Yes, it is. Looking back at history, this has already been successfully done before. Organising an event like a movie night, reviving the CYOA, or doing something else (for which I already have some plans) is most certainly feasible and can, if done properly, bring great joy to the region. All it requires is time, advertising, clever planning, and proper action.
G. Inactivity. I believe the Culture Ministry has great potential and only needs active leadership. The CM is overshadowed by inactivity, inactive leadership in my opinion being the main culprit. The inactivity that the ministry has seen is unfortunately from the top down. I know we have several competent, avid staffers, who are more than capable and willing to deliver. What I aim to bring in my term is the leadership needed to help them channel their activity. With active guidance, I will oversee the ministry and make sure there is an optimal schedule that all staff understand and can follow. My initiative to poll residents on what events they want to see will hopefully increase turnout when these events are hosted, which would bolster confidence in me and the staff, keeping morale up and willingness to contribute with quality high.
H. Through a poll (probably made with Google Forms) with many different options of both games, RMB-events and some other planned custom events, I plan on incorporating what the people most want into a schedule that satisfies the majority. Events shall be held during times of high regional activity so that more may join, but a large part of it will come down to advertisement. Oftentimes, people wish to join something but are unable to because of preoccupation. If the schedule and its events are thoroughly advertised in advance, people can plan ahead to be able to partake. They may also, of course, make suggestions like asking for the start of an event to be delayed a reasonable amount of time for them to make it, if others say they are willing to wait. The structure and timing of the Culture Ministry shall be flexible, as reality is seldom completely predictable and adjustments need to be made along the way for us to reach optimality. Whilst turnout is important, I still prefer quality over quantity. Therefore, even if an event does not get many participants, I still wish the experience for those attending to be good. This includes changing one event for another, if those attending wish for it.
I. I plan on organising a joint event with another region like XKI. It would certainly be a great project but for it to be successful it would require a lot of time and development. I do not want to reveal any more information, as it might ruin the surprise (and no, that is not an excuse for not actually having anything planned yet I promise yes really 😛 ).
Xernon, Sevae
I have no further questions and intend to vote in favour of both.
I also have no further questions and intend to vote in favour of both candidates.
Opening of the vote on the nominations
Seeing as there are no further comments, I am opening the vote on the nominees
Democratized Peoples: Aye: Sevae, Emazia, Ashlawn, Baobab In Thaecia, Nova Anglicum, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Nay:
Abstain:
Requelizza: Aye: Sevae, Emazia, Ashlawn, Baobab In Thaecia, Nova Anglicum, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Nay: -
Abstain: -
Creckelenney did not vote on either nominee
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The Islamic Country Of Honour[/spoiler]
Post self-deleted by The Sarangtus Lands.
Aye to both
Aye to all
Aye to both
Aye to both
Democratized Peoples, Requelizza, congratulations, you have been confirmed 6-0-1 (The Islamic Country Of Honour voted Aye via discord) Xernon
I am opening discussion of the Treaty of Sarpedos between Thaecia and The League, will provide the text in a moment.
I sponsor Xernon to present the treaty
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Xernon
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Hello Senators,
First, I want to thank you profusely for confirming my nominees for the Ministry of Culture and Ministry of Justice so seamlessly. I promise you that they will not disappoint and that my government will endeavor to genuinely do all we can to live up to the trust you have placed in us.
Today, Senators, I come to you with a different matter -- this Administration's first bilateral treaty! I am very excited to announce the expansion of ties with The League. The League is a region that has long stood by Thaecia on the diplomatic and military fronts. The Thaempirial Army and the League's Defense Forces have collaborated and deployed together in several key operations over the past few months. On diplomatic and foreign affairs issues, The League has stood in solidarity with us repeatedly, most recently supporting our position on the August controversy and collaborating with us on WA votes. Seeing this history of cooperation, both regions seek to formalize and cement this partnership that we have developed. The Treaty of Sarpedos seeks to do just that and I hope that you will consider and support it.
Thank you,
Prime Minister
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1596576
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Andusre, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Full Support, obviously
Aye
Ashlawn, Xernon, Brototh
Aye
Ashlawn, Xernon, Brototh
Aye
Xernon
Aye
Xernon
Aye
Vote is closed. The treaty passes 5-0-2 (everyone but ICH and Creckelenney has voted)
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Next order of business is the Constitution once the House vote is closed
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1578093
Debate has begun
Debate has ended. Vote is starting on the Constitution https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1578093
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
aye
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Aye
Vote is closed. The Constitution passes Mardis Ashlawn
Aye: Ashlawn (via discord), Sevae, Baobab in Thaecia, The Islamic Country of Honour, Creckelenney
Did not vote: Emazia, Nova Anglicum
The Treaty of the Cross and the Crow with Balder is now up for debate https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1597184
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Xernon, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I support the treaty, I feel like it's a great step in our relationship with one of the biggest GCRs and the second-biggest Independent GCR.
Why so early? Because Balder works like that - first a treaty is signed between like-minded regions, and then the relationship is developed further
Andusre, Xernon, The Islamic Country Of Honour
As with the Treaty of Sarpedos it would be quite weird if I opposed this, full support
Andusre, Xernon, The Islamic Country Of Honour
I have no objections, and this treaty seems like it will be a great step forward in our relations with Balder.
Also, thats a good name.
Xernon, The Islamic Country Of Honour
Sorry for the delay. Seeing as there was no further discussion, the vote is now open on the Treaty of the Cross and the Crow.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1597184
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Aye
Xernon
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Xernon
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Xernon
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Xernon
Aye
Xernon
The treaty has passed Xernon. Aye: Sevae, Ashlawn, Baobab in Thaecia, The Islamic Country Of Honour, Creckelenney. Did not vote: Emazia, Nova Anglicum
Andusre, Xernon
I am now opening debate on the Creation Of Regional Holidays And Observances Act. The author, Brototh, is invited to speak on the RMB.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1552573
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Brototh, Creckelenney
Based
Creckelenney
Thank you for your input Madame President!!!!!!
With the idea of international workers day being added as a regional observance I have decided to amend article one
Section II - A regional holiday shall be defined as a day celebrating various events, activities, or topics; regional holidays will grant all citizens of the nations of this region a free day from work. directly relating to the region of Thaecia.
Section III - A regional observance shall be defined as the commemoration or other observance of various events, activities, or topics; regional observances will not grant all citizens of the nations of this region a free day from work. that are not neccesarily directly related to the region of Thaecia.
I feel it would be rather stupid to not give citizens a day off work on workers day, and I also feel that the prior version still has the roleplay legislature vibe I initially intended
[spoiler=Amendment II]Hereby adds a new regional observance in Section I known as International Workers' Day, and held on the first of May, designed to celebrate the history and progress of and resulting from the labour movement, to be numbered as III, after Earth Day and before Eid Al-Fitr, and renumbers all other sections accordingly.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment III] Hereby adds a new regional observance in section I, after Eid Al-Fitr and before Yom Kippur, known as Victory in Europe Day (VE-Day) to commemorate the sacrifices of the world's people against fascism, and to commemorate the continued fight against fascism in all its forms, and shall be celebrated on the 8th of May.[/spoiler]
There's one possible, but trivial, concern with the reasoning for celebrating a certain day, which is, January 5th. I know, this is a very significant day in Thaecian history and one which heralded the end of the chapter of toxic partisan politics, and sure we should celebrate it, but I do not think that day ought to be celebrated in honour of our region's politics. While, as I said, it managed to eliminate the toxicity emanating from partisan politics, it did also take away the high-intensity once visible in our politics, something which took us a year and a half to get back after partisan politics again gained momentum, and even then, we haven't managed to completely retrieve that same level of intensity, as politics is much subdued when it compares to that era. For a region like us which prides itself on the political gameplay we offer, January 5th isn't an appropriate day for celebrating that.
Please take note of the fact I have never advocated not to celebrate this day, and I believe this day should be celebrated in honour of our region's perseverance. January 5th resulted in the departure of some of the Government Officials at that time, and yet when such a big political crisis would have devastated some regions, we managed to stay strong and grow stronger.
I think that it should be celebrated just for that reason. The extremely high level high energy momentum is something that was bad. And even now, we have something similar to it today, with TGP v. TCU- however, it's something that's shown our political growth from Jan 5 '20. When it was TCU v. UNI, it was toxic as hell- it was awful, we all know it. Now we have a very similar ideological battle that, while getting heated sometimes, is nothing near what it was.
What happened back then was bad, yes, but it has been a very significant day in our politics- in fact, it is the day of our politics. It signalled the start of a new era- it signals us being able to pick up, and carry on, and our politics have bounced back and become far better in my opinion. It's very hard to pinpoint any other significant political date- the founding of Unity isn't good because of the toxicity, the new parties were founded and collapsed too far apart imo, not sure really. It is, in my opinion, the best date we can use.
There is one other possible date- 26 Feb 2019, the first Thaecian election, it would also elevate Independence to first. I think that could work
I propose an Amendment:
Moves Regional Holiday 3 Immigration Day (March 03) to February 20, renumbering any subsections appropriately.
The Islamic Country Of Honour
I'll sponsor this amendment
Brototh
I mean, there's nothing wrong with this, I'm in full support, always good to add a level of fun to the region!
Sevae
I am opening the vote on the amendments. For the purposes of clarity, Emazia's amendments will be named I and II, and Brototh's amendment will be named III. The first amendment that Brototh wrote about was her amending the bill as author and as such does not require voting on.
[spoiler=Amendment I]Hereby adds a new regional observance in Section I known as International Workers' Day, and held on the first of May, designed to celebrate the history and progress of and resulting from the labour movement, to be numbered as III, after Earth Day and before Eid Al-Fitr, and renumbers all other sections accordingly.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment II] Hereby adds a new regional observance in section I, after Eid Al-Fitr and before Yom Kippur, known as Victory in Europe Day (VE-Day) to commemorate the sacrifices of the world's people against fascism, and to commemorate the continued fight against fascism in all its forms, and shall be celebrated on the 8th of May.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment III]Moves Regional Holiday 3 Immigration Day (March 03) to February 20, renumbering any subsections appropriately.[/spoiler]
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Aye to all
Aye to all
aye to all
Aye to all
Aye to all
Aye to all
Aye to all
Closing of the Voting Stage on Amendments and Opening of the Voting Stage on the Main Bill
Senators, all the amendments have passed with a vote of 7 in favour, and none against.
We are now voting on the final bill, which I recommend you to view before voting: Final Bill
Many thanks to Sevae for handling the affairs of the Senate in the last few weeks, and many thanks to President Brototh for making the dispatch of the final bill.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Brototh
Aye
aye
Aye
Aye
The bill passes 4-0-3 (Ashlawn, Baobab in Thaecia, and Nova Anglicum did not vote) Sma Cyrillic
We are now debating the removal of Electoral Commissioner Mardis. The motion needs 2/3 approval to pass.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1602517
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Brototh
I think he intends to resign, but let's do this and get it over with anyway in case he doesn't .
Voting on the motion is open since there was no debate. With 6 Senators remaining, 4 votes are needed to recall I assume.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
aye
Abstain
Aye
Aye
Aye
Vote is closed. The motion passes 4-0-1-1, with Emazia not voting
The next business will be announced by ICH
Opening of the Debate Stage
In what would be a break from the past traditions where we used to debate one bill at a time, we would be debating two bills this time. I had asked then-Justice Minister Cerdenia about its legality, who saw no issues with its legality, and thus I dont think theres any legality issue with this action.
Since these two bills wont require much of a debate, I felt we could help save some more time of the Senate by debating two of them together, much like what we did during the cabinet nominations.
These are the two bills the esteemed Senators are going to debate on:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1580382
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1552761
The author Dendrobiumis granted permission to speak on the floor of the Senate.
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Creckelenney, Dendrobium
The first one seems like a necessary amendment to prevent confusion and help good bills to pass even if the sponsor is no longer a representative.
The second bill seems like a small amendment and you can't really be against it, it's just nothing massive. I am in support of both bills.
Dendrobium, Sevae
Ahh, the first amendment is a little verbose but I haven't found a way to change that, and it does do a good job of clarifying things.
The second one is good, especially after Primo Order updates the Designated Survivor Act in accordance to the Constitution Act :p
But yes, I'll vote in favour of both
Dendrobium
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Both Hon. Senators have already pointed it out, but these are basically some procedural fixes or additions meant to complement and complete existing Bills. The debate will probably end soon anyway, but if anyone has questions concerning these Amendments, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.
I am in favour of both the bills, particularly the Amendment to the LR 051. The Amendment to the LR 051 identifies a grey area left by the bill, which raises the question of the fate of a bill which was sponsored by a representative at that time but could not be put up for debate during their tenure. I am glad, this amendment, makes it clear that the validity of a bill is maintained even after the sponsoring representative loses their seat, and one another great catch by the author, was that they laid out an alternative plan to ensure a bill does not lose its validity after the author leaves the region, and this will help us ensure some of the great proposals are not lost to time, and after reading the Constitution before passing this judgement, I can confidently say theres no issues with its constitutionality, and thus, when and if the bill reaches the voting stage, it will receive my aye vote along with the other amendment bill.
Dendrobium
cursive againnn
Okay, this debate has lasted long enough. Voting on the two bills is open now
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1580382
Aye: Sevae, Ashlawn, Baobab in Thaecia, Creckelenney, The Islamic Country Of Honour
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1552761
Aye: Sevae, Ashlawn, Baobab in Thaecia, Creckelenney, The Islamic Country Of Honour
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
Aye to both
Aye to both
Aye to both
Aye to bothe
Dendrobium
Vote is closed. Result is 5-0-1. Everyone voted aye except for Emazia (ICH via discord)
We are now debating the Thaecian Mental Health Resources Bill. The author, United Cascadian Peoples, is invited to speak on the RMB
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=united_cascadian_peoples/detail=factbook/id=1604565
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
I think this is a good thing to have in legislation. While I'm opposed to purely OOC bills like the Climate Change or Yogurt Viscosity and think they should at least be in the RP registry and at best be debated by a separate RP body, this bill seems to do something actually related to on-site matters so I support it
However, I fear the current version seems to mandate that there be a Ministry of Culture, which I don't agree with, and think that if someone wants to mandate the ministry's inclusion, that should be done with different legislation. So I'm proposing a simple amendment:
[spoiler=Amendment A]All instances of "The Cultural Ministry" are replaced with "The minister responsible for Home Affairs"[/spoiler]
That way it's the HAM that is responsible for maintaining this list because they're also responsible for the Law Registry and could easily take care of the list as well.
Creckelenney, Baobab In Thaecia
Good bill, focusing on a very important topic that would very much benefit from being put into legislation. While there are some minor issues (See amendment A), there are no large issues that would have any sort of significant consequence. I like it.
We are now voting on Amendment A
[spoiler=Amendment A]All instances of "The Cultural Ministry" are replaced with "The minister responsible for Home Affairs"[/spoiler]
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Creckelenney[/spoiler]
aye
The voting on amendments is suspended, bill is back on debate stage
I have to agree with Senator Sevae here, regarding the culture issue, other than that, it's a good bill.
[spoiler=Amendment B]
Adds Section II to Article I
This shall be categorised as an RP legislation. [/spoiler]
[spoiler=Amendment C]
Amends Article II Subsection A to be read as,
The Minister in charge of Domestic Affairs, in their capacity as a regional officer gameside, shall be responsible for maintaining and updating the Mental Health Resources List as needed; no later than every 6 months; in the event that weblinks are no longer functioning.
The minister in charge of Domestic Affairs, should they desire, may delegate this task to another regional officer, though the Home Affairs Minister shall still be responsible if the required tasks under this law are left unfulfilled within the stipulated duration
Should they fail to carry out the duties assigned to them, they shall have their regional officer powers game side removed from them for a duration of one week from the time the stipulated timeline ceases.[/spoiler]
Baobab In Thaecia
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