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Region: Valaryia
Yeah want one?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Lmao sure
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
You're welcome
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Welp,
I guess it's just triple-reunion
The Northwest Corridor, Satn, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN
Skelleftella, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
WOO YEAH!
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
As for my reasoning behind the nay vote, it strikes me as more internal policy than something enforced on every nation, as it doesn't take into account land types ie arid, desert etc in terms of water availability which, raises economic and feasibility issues, as well as for our more capitalistically inclined regions I feel the policies with the HVS and free supplies may not go over well. All of these points being raised by a fully vegetarian nation.
The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Satn, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
To build on top of this, within a non-agrarian focalized society (especially in the more industrial-inclined ones, such as myself,) there is little to no need to provide the level of free support in the first place, much less on a REGIONAL SCALE. As you have said, internal policy is exactly what this should be; making this an international address essentially makes my taxpayer dollars turn into papers in the wind.
Also, yeah, the fact that this was raised by someone who looks to be a nation based entirely on preservation of nature and environmentalism (which is already bad enough for a nation like myself (again) whose industries rely on the destruction of nature) kind of puts me against it.
Satn, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Erm nothing wrong about it
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Dear Member States of Valaryia I feel as your Councilor Of Economic Affairs that it is my job to call into question all acts that can be deemed as damaging to our member's economies. That being said there are points of The Frogarias Act of 1993 (an act passed well before our influx of members with diverse economies) that may be damaging to our regional economy as a whole. I would like to call into question namely; "iv) Barren Islands must be used for reforestation/afforestation to prevent desertification.", "v) Kind of similar to rule (ii), no trees will be cut for making houses, thus leading to the formation of laterite soil.", "c) If caught cutting the trees, the brand can be suspended or even banned.", "vii) Factories can't dump any kind of waste in the oceans or seas. They must create separate chambers to accumulate waste and then dispose it of safely by either composting or vermicomposting on a large scale.", "viii) The construction of mobile towers should be lessened, to lessen the killing of birds due the frequency/radio waves coming out of those towers." Lastly, "i) Under the act, the manufacturing of CNG and electric automobiles is necessary." The first objection I will make is to the idea of barren islands being required to be used for "reforestation/afforestation to prevent desertification." (Val Constitution Frog Act) I feel this doesn't take into account the individual nation's need for housing and the expansion of other various industries. This "must" requirement forces nations with no concern of the aforementioned issues to do something they would not want to necessarily do hereby violating the core principle of our region, freedom. I will commend the effort and thought put into the idea, and address my next point. Article V of the aforementioned act states " no trees will be cut for making houses" while a commendable thought, it is one I feel is not achievable by many nations in our region again based on their environmental makeup (landforms and land types present in the nation) and the needs of their nations and peoples. The ever-growing populations of nations cause this to be another issue as if a nation was fully or even a majority wooded how could you avoid building homes, the act deemed strong enough to be listed with our other core tenants only poses "do" and "do nots" with no listed solutions or other paths of action to the issue for nations. "c) If caught cutting the trees, the brand can be suspended or even banned." as the nation responsible for the economic well being of our member states I must ask who will enforce this. The suspension of brands by a region on a member state is an overreach as it removes said nation to govern and roleplay as said entity wishes, again violating our regions core principle of freedom, and the ability to run a nation as one wants. To this, I propose rewording as a guideline perhaps. The monitoring of tree cutting itself is another question is it up to the nation or the region to train and provide these reporters, who pays for this the region or member nation, a massive expense to both to be sure, and forced spending on nations who again may thrive on industry. "vii) Factories can't dump any kind of waste in the oceans or seas. They must create separate chambers to accumulate waste and then dispose it of safely by either composting or vermicomposting on a large scale." This again comes to regional overreach and extreme spending forced on member states by the act, the labor and monetary cost of something like this may not be feasible by all member nations, which this act currently stipulates must abide by this. "viii) The construction of mobile towers should be lessened, to lessen the killing of birds due the frequency/radio waves coming out of those towers." This rule does not define lessen, and should again be better defined to all member states along with refunds or incentives to reduce the construction of towers or other alternatives. I would also call into question the idea that birds are heavily affected by these waves as https://www.audubon.org/news/no-5g-radio-waves-do-not-kill-birds#:~:text=Birds%20in%20This%20Story&text=%E2%80%9CRadio%20wave%20emissions%20above%2010,in%20magnetics%2C%20in%20an%20email.
provides interesting feedback on the subject as well as counterarguments to both sides of the argument. Finally, "i) Under the act, the manufacturing of CNG and electric automobiles is necessary." The conversion cost to member states would be absurdly high and fails to take into account pre-existing thriving industries. It further sets back nations who lack the technology to produce these cars, further damaging their economies with the necessity of new research. Slowing the betterment of lives of their citizens due to not having gas-powered cars, instead having to fund, research, and produce advanced alternative power sources, allowing these nations to further fall behind.
In short, I propose striking down the current The Frogarias Act of 1993 for the aforementioned regions and respectfully citing the fact it has been previously "forcefully removed during the Eurasian Elk Republican protests." showing that it was unfit to stand even in it's founding member state.
TLDR: This calls for the striking down of The Frogarias Act of 1993 for forced extreme spending, overreach of the region on member states, and being too focused on the interest of member states that may not reflect the thoughts of all member states ( it's not representative of our regions thoughts), and it was proposed before most of the members were here, to which I propose we either again vote for or amend the current act if it is not struck down.
The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Lusgastan, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
This message saves my main industries if we are to go into an amend or nullification. love you bro <3
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
What exactly is the AASA?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
IIRC it's the agrarian thingshite that Swede drafted
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Details?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Agrarias Act for Substance and something or other. Lemme grab the link
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1789045
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Also yeah, in the Frogarias Act... that last clause is stupid. Like off the walls stupid. I will build however many cell towers as is needed to meet supply and demand, and birds are only going to suffer if they hit the tower. In fact, I'd like to raise the point that birds commonly use power lines, cell towers and other things of the sort as nesting places. By limiting their production, that could ultimately do more harm than good.
Edit; Punctuation.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
To lessen bird mortalities from radio frequencies???
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
This is one of the best argument for a repeal I've ever seen. This is impressive and these argument actually pointed the flaw of the argument with facts and observation. Great job you did there.
Canadian North California, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Hello Satn, welcome to Valaryia! I see you are already a seasoned player, si I'll spare you the "any questions about NS" talk.
However, I would like to introduce myself. I am Koranz, the WA Delegate and President of the region. Any questions about Valaryia, we're eight here.
We don't have that here...
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
that was long since addressed in that conversation.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Swedesttanossa I'm sorry, but on this occasion, I'm voting nay on the passing of the Agrarias Act. It feels too specific to a certain type of nation for me, but you could always pass it in your nation as rp.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I think this poll is entering into what looks like a unanimous agreement of two things.
- The outline of the Act is entirely based on boosting only certain nations and wasting money in others.
- The outline of the Act is too specific to gain enough traction on the regional scale.
Am I in the ballpark?
Lusgastan, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Swadonland oh man, it's literally quadruple reunion now!
Swadonland, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Swadonland My brother in arms, good to be in the same region once more. :D
Swadonland, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
We are slowly just re-assembling the boys here, I can just tell lol
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
We can't do this, no please stop
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
T H E B O Y S A R E B A C K I N T O W N .
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
W E C A N
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I see many old friends, perhaps from Kaliningrad Division, reuniting in the last few days!
Hooray for reunions!
The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Repost with clarity edits:
Dear Member States of Valaryia I feel as your Councilor Of Economic Affairs that it is my job to call into question all acts that can be deemed as damaging to our member's economies. That being said there are points of The Frogarias Act of 1993 (an act passed well before our influx of members with diverse economies) that may be damaging to our regional economy as a whole. I would like to call into question namely; "iv) Barren Islands must be used for reforestation/afforestation to prevent desertification.", "v) Kind of similar to rule (ii), no trees will be cut for making houses, thus leading to the formation of laterite soil.", "c) If caught cutting the trees, the brand can be suspended or even banned.", "vii) Factories can't dump any kind of waste in the oceans or seas. They must create separate chambers to accumulate waste and then dispose it of safely by either composting or vermicomposting on a large scale.", "viii) The construction of mobile towers should be lessened, to lessen the killing of birds due the frequency/radio waves coming out of those towers." Lastly, "i) Under the act, the manufacturing of CNG and electric automobiles is necessary." The first objection I will make is to the idea of barren islands being required to be used for "reforestation/afforestation to prevent desertification." (Val Constitution Frog Act) I feel this doesn't take into account the individual nation's need for housing and the expansion of other various industries. This "must" requirement forces nations with no concern of the aforementioned issues to do something they would not want to necessarily do hereby violating the core principle of our region, freedom. I will commend the effort and thought put into the idea, and address my next point. Article V of the aforementioned act states " no trees will be cut for making houses" while a commendable thought, it is one I feel is not achievable by many nations in our region again based on their environmental makeup (landforms and land types present in the nation) and the needs of their nations and peoples. The ever-growing populations of nations cause this to be another issue as if a nation was fully or even a majority wooded how could you avoid building homes, the act deemed strong enough to be listed with our other core tenants only poses "do" and "do nots" with no listed solutions or other paths of action to the issue for nations. "c) If caught cutting the trees, the brand can be suspended or even banned." as the nation responsible for the economic well being of our member states I must ask who will enforce this. The suspension of brands by a region on a member state is an overreach as it removes said nation to govern and roleplay as said entity wishes, again violating our regions core principle of freedom, and the ability to run a nation as one wants. To this, I propose rewording as a guideline perhaps. The monitoring of tree cutting itself is another question is it up to the nation or the region to train and provide these reporters, who pays for this the region or member nation, a massive expense to both to be sure, and forced spending on nations who again may thrive on industry. "vii) Factories can't dump any kind of waste in the oceans or seas. They must create separate chambers to accumulate waste and then dispose it of safely by either composting or vermicomposting on a large scale." This again comes to regional overreach and extreme spending forced on member states by the act, the labor and monetary cost of something like this may not be feasible by all member nations, which this act currently stipulates must abide by this. "viii) The construction of mobile towers should be lessened, to lessen the killing of birds due the frequency/radio waves coming out of those towers." This rule does not define lessen, and should again be better defined to all member states along with refunds or incentives to reduce the construction of towers or other alternatives. I would also call into question the idea that birds are heavily affected by these waves as https://www.audubon.org/news/no-5g-radio-waves-do-not-kill-birds#:~:text=Birds%20in%20This%20Story&text=%E2%80%9CRadio%20wave%20emissions%20above%2010,in%20magnetics%2C%20in%20an%20email.
provides interesting feedback on the subject as well as counterarguments to both sides of the argument. Finally, "i) Under the act, the manufacturing of CNG and electric automobiles is necessary." The conversion cost to member states would be absurdly high and fails to take into account pre-existing thriving industries. It further sets back nations who lack the technology to produce these cars, further damaging their economies with the necessity of new research. Slowing the betterment of lives of their citizens due to not having gas-powered cars, instead having to fund, research, and produce advanced alternative power sources, allowing these nations to further fall behind.
In short, I propose striking down the current The Frogarias Act of 1993 for the aforementioned regions and respectfully citing the fact it has been previously "forcefully removed during the Eurasian Elk Republican protests." showing that it was unfit to stand even in it's founding member state.
TLDR: This calls for the striking down of The Frogarias Act of 1993 for forced extreme spending, overreach of the region on member states, and being too focused on the interest of member states that may not reflect the thoughts of all member states ( it's not representative of our regions thoughts), and it was proposed before most of the members were here, to which I propose we either again vote for or amend the current act if it is not struck down.
Skelleftella, Satn, Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Having a great week now haha
Swadonland, Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Formation of the Quartet
The Quartet (otherwise known as just "Q") is an intergovernmental political forum consisting of Skelleftella, Swadonland, Satn and The Northwest Corridor. It is officially organized around shared values of pluralism and representative government, with members making up world's largest arms manufacturing and most diversely political government legislatures. Members are usually great powers in global affairs and maintain mutually close political, economic, diplomatic, and military relations.
Originating from an initial discussion between certain national leaders, the Q has since become a formal, high-profile venue for discussing and coordinating solutions to major global issues, especially in the areas of defence, economics, and advanced social issues. The Q was founded primarily to facilitate shared initiatives in response to modern socioeconomic and combatant-addressing problems. The Q's Finance Ministers meet at least semi-annually, and up to four times a year at stand-alone meetings. Each member's head of government or state meets monthly at the Q Summit; other high-ranking officials of the Q meet throughout the year. Representatives of other states and international organizations are often invited as guests.
The Q is not based on a treaty and has no permanent secretariat or office. It is organized through a presidency that rotates monthly among the member states, with the presiding state setting the group's priorities and hosting and organizing its summit; alongside this, each nation has its own building of sorts to host these events within, whether they be initially built for that purpose or otherwise. Skelleftella currently presides for November 2022. While lacking a legal or institutional basis, the Q is considered to possibly wield a significant amount of international influence. However, the group has been opposed by anti-globalization groups, which often protest at summits.
The current summit will take place in Norjden, Skelleftella. Scheduled to take place in 27 November.
Canadian North California, The Northwest Corridor, Swadonland, Satn, Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Ok, I guess
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
When you quote a message with my national tag on it it pings me :ga:
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
What's happening here? I just came back from school. Just tell me the summary of what happened, I mean 60 messages.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Our country practices subsistence agriculture after extensive. That's why I've written the AASA Act.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Canadian North California, if you want, we can talk your argument on this act. Actually, this was my first act, so here's my argument.
First, respectfully citing that the act was removed back in 1993, for the Eurasian Elk Republican Protests, because it was unfit", that's really off-topic, to stop the Eurasian Elk Republican Protesters' protest, the act was not passed. Second, as you said that,
The first objection I will make is to the idea of barren islands being required to be used for "reforestation/afforestation to prevent desertification." (Val Constitution Frog Act) I feel this doesn't take into account the individual nation's need for housing and the expansion of other various industries. This "must" requirement forces nations with no concern of the aforementioned issues to do something they would not want to necessarily do hereby violating the core principle of our region, freedom.
For this, I haven't said that housing won't be done, this section's aim is to just prevent desertification. If you take a look at my map (TWI one), in my wiki factbook, you can see that Danrooqa and São Chulhuldriana had just a few cities. At last, I would say that this section isn't null/void, as it doesn't forces the industries to stop their expansion.
Third, you said that,
Article V of the aforementioned act states " no trees will be cut for making houses" while a commendable thought, it is one I feel is not achievable by many nations in our region again based on their environmental makeup (landforms and land types present in the nation) and the needs of their nations and peoples. The ever-growing populations of nations cause this to be another issue as if a nation was fully or even a majority wooded how could you avoid building homes, the act deemed strong enough to be listed with our other core tenants only poses "do" and "do nots" with no listed solutions or other paths of action to the issue for nations.
For this, I think so I have also written that trees should be first planted in maintained plantations, and then be cut. You can cut trees, but not directly from the forests, but from maintained plantations. So, this section isn't null/void.
Also, why not just limit population to 50 million for all nations, for the sake of realism? The Western Isles limits all the nations' population to just under 10 or 15 million. If you do that, then only the acts can actually act...
Fourth, you said that,
If caught cutting the trees, the brand can be suspended or even banned." as the nation responsible for the economic well being of our member states I must ask who will enforce this. The suspension of brands by a region on a member state is an overreach as it removes said nation to govern and roleplay as said entity wishes, again violating our regions core principle of freedom, and the ability to run a nation as one wants. To this, I propose rewording as a guideline perhaps.
This section tries to say that, if any brand cuts trees from the "forests", and not "maintained plantations", then the brand could be suspended/banned. So, this section isn't Null/Void.
Fifth, you said that,
"vii) Factories can't dump any kind of waste in the oceans or seas. They must create separate chambers to accumulate waste and then dispose it of safely by either composting or vermicomposting on a large scale." This again comes to regional overreach and extreme spending forced on member states by the act, the labor and monetary cost of something like this may not be feasible by all member nations, which this act currently stipulates must abide by this
You're actually saying correct. Composting or Vermicomposting on a "large scale" can cause extreme spending, and that's sounding so unrealistic. So, this section can be canceled.
At last, you're saying that,
The conversion cost to member states would be absurdly high and fails to take into account pre-existing thriving industries. It further sets back nations who lack the technology to produce these cars, further damaging their economies with the necessity of new research. Slowing the betterment of lives of their citizens due to not having gas-powered cars, instead having to fund, research, and produce advanced alternative power sources, allowing these nations to further fall behind.
I'm not even talking about conversion. We've got natural gas, we can convert it into CNG and LNG. And, we can make electric cars, just like Norway is doing. I'm just trying to say that, we can slowly convert to CNG and electric cars, at that rate of Norway.
That's it.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Seeing this region is on threat of an breakdown/dissolution caused by regulations and bureaucracy;
I must therefore, released my radical ideas as soon as possible which proposed a compromise on all sides; whether you are a conservative, environmentalist or whatever. The act will be named "Urgent Act of Valaryia". It will base freedom, friendship and egalitarianism as it's base, the core value of Valaryia region, it is going fo be delivered as soon as possible, but don't expect it be not flawed.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
OK, so I think that the AASA Act is a failure, because many of you practice Extensive Farming. So, I am.going to delete the poll, and the act is going to be implemented just in Swedesttanossa. No tension.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
The act was done. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1800983
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1781859
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
WOOOOOOO FREEDOM GOD BLESS VALARYIA CAPITALISM WOOOOOOOOO
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Umm...I am just saying that, I like capitalism, I don't like communism much, but it's logo, the hammer and the sickle logo, that's very cool.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Alright I'm just gonna ask.
If you're going to write all of these policies with these very specific problems, would it not be the better of the two ideas to enact it on a national scale and not on a regional one? These are problems that depends entirely on the nation, as well, which means that while I'm using facilities and preventing "casualties" (of which I've not had more than ten ever,) you're essentially undoing my national policies for the sake of your own interests.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Yes, these policies are completely there for a nation. But, why don't you just read the act? And understand what benefiting changes or undesirable changes it can do? And then vote?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I literally did read the act. That's why I wrote the message.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
BTW, if you're having problems with my act, then why not just tell me about the environmental problems of Valaryia, here in the RMB, and then I create acts?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
OK, can you please write the name of the sections and tell their undesirable changes?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
The best history of a nation I've ever read, and hehe, Honda Civic.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1720713
Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
i)Animal Pounds shall be shut down and abolished completely.
Abolishment of Clause I due to conflicts with other nations' internal policies on the containment and rehabilitation of animals. As a nation with my own set policies, I see no reason to have them washed over by a regional piece if my policies work for my nation.
ii) The Animal Pound Police or Police Departments shall be completely banned.
Abolishment of Clause II due to abolishment of Clause I needing workers to operate such. The amount of jobs that would be lost in a nation such as my own or another nation would raise unemployment and poverty rates, which (obviously) is very bad.
iv) Those animals who are still alone will be released in the lush green forests.
Despite this sounding like a good idea, this is the worst thing for strays. There are other beings out there ready to turn them into mincemeat and you seem pretty keen on dealing with the problem that way.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Two words.
Rocket Honda.
Koranz, Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Then, that's your choice. If majority of the people wants the act to be passed, then it would be passed, except yours.
But, if unemployment increases, there are always jobs waiting.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Mate, the tag at the end says "all nations residing in Valaryia." If it passes, I don't get the choice of it
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
OK, I'll make the change.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Thank you.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Exempt me too from the rules.
The Northwest Corridor, Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Hello Everyone, I am Swadonland, some may know me, some may not.
The Northwest Corridor, Koranz, Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
No capitalism
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Skelleftella, the situation of the region does not seem to me to be so grave that it may dissolve.
I appreciate your concerns and your ideas are very interesting, and I promise you that I will look at them further. (Especially the emergency freedom act and the telegram you sent me.)
However, I won't be taking any emergency action for now, because, as I mentioned before, I don't think it's that urgent.
Thank you everyone, and have a brilliant Friday!
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
If i may asked do
I Forget to ask that is the only thing does Valaryia have an discord yet. and kind sort of Roleplay, Moreover if am bored what should i do in this Region of Valaryia?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
We're all waiting for Achlavania to finish the discord, but about what to do, we could do a rp together if you fancy
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
You know what? We can use discord to solve situations which happened today, talking together to solve issues from the acts.
Swadonland, Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
But isn't that kinda just what we use the RMB for?
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Nobody has that much time to read the long issues/arguments in the RMB, and the RMB fills up a lot, that's why I prefer discord.
Koranz, Sal Radonia, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
When the Valaryia Discord will finished just an request, Sooner or later. or Tomorow even it depends?
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
we could use the discord for rps too, so
Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
That's the idea
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
alright
Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Alright I go to bed and the rmb explodes with discussion and discourse acknowledging certain concerns brought to me by several members states I feel obligated to address the RMB directly on certain issues.
First the matter of a discord, one is already being created I'm trying to implement certain features and it's being kind of weird so it's taking longer than expected to fully roll that out.
Second the passing of laws acknowledging how certain laws are either limiting of freedom or entirely too difficult for specific member states to accommodate and to avoid dissolution of the region I will be following certain suggestions, I have been working on a resolution where I believe the creation of an internal RP will be made this will be one of many but this rp will be for any nation wishing to participate in the legal system and vote, pass, and discuss laws, this will make the entire law system optional but still allows for the passing of them, I am still working on the proposal so I'll have more on that later.
Finally some concerns were brought to me over community, I will acknowledge things might have gotten heated for a moment but I am proud of you all for keeping a civil discussion and deescalating the situation when necessary.
I welcome all members and I promise the discord and my proposal shall be finished soon, this is all.
Canadian North California, The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Satn, Koranz, Sal Radonia, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Following my previous message, to not complicate anything or cause any further discourse, we will be halting all laws until we have fully figured out the system for it's grounds.
I also feel it necessary to remark this is not an insult to any member state, or me standing entirely against one or more opinion, I will entirely remain neutral but I was asked to make a stance and In order to keep things civil I have decided to intervene with suggestion from multiple members, we will figure out the legal system soon enough.
Skelleftella, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Official Statement of The Office of Councilor Of Economic Affairs of Valaryia
Friends and member states, first allow apologies for the unrest the earlier report may have generated that was unintentional. On to the matters presented in response to the earlier generated report see forum page 41. The Office sees as follows " For this, I think so I have also written that trees should be first planted in maintained plantations, and then be cut. You can cut trees, but not directly from the forests, but from maintained plantations. So, this section isn't null/void." First, to make sure the previous statements made by the Office were correct a thorough review was promptly enacted, upon this review, your point is understood but again The Office calls for clarity changes as your thoughts about tree preservation in sections are commendable, but should be better explained (ii) and (V), here the Office also calls for a clarity edit to better define tree sourcing, for both rules. Next The Office addresses "For this, I haven't said that housing won't be done, this section's aim is to just prevent desertification. If you take a look at my map (TWI one), in my wiki factbook, you can see that Danrooqa and São Chulhuldriana had just a few cities. At last, I would say that this section isn't null/void, as it doesn't forces the industries to stop their expansion." While again wishing to commend the fact that open conversation and critique can be freely had in this region the Office wants to call into question the member state's use of personal factbooks and maps to create regional bills as the Office feels its point may be to region-specific ie a member state having a lack of islands etc. The Office proposes a new and nuanced statement to better address the issues of desertification for all regions and of all land types, again the Office commends the bill's ideas. The Office condemns this following statement of "Also, why not just limit population to 50 million for all nations, for the sake of realism? The Western Isles limits all the nations' population to just under 10 or 15 million. If you do that, then only the acts can actually act..." As it understands while yes, this would be the only feasible way to have control over gameplay and real effect this makes sense but to do that is massive government overreach, as it requires for many, making a new account and then not using it for anything other then rp as per the current state of NationStates a nation's very beginning population is 5 million and the 50 million cap is not that many issues away. The Office understands the valid points of this argument but finds it to violate the Region Constitution. While also appreciating the use of prior knowledge the Office thinks this is not always conducive to policy-making in Valaryia as our mother region has it's own identity. The Office also thanks member states for responding to said earlier "RMB" post. "I'm not even talking about conversion. We've got natural gas, we can convert it into CNG and LNG. And, we can make electric cars, just like Norway is doing. I'm just trying to say that, we can slowly convert to CNG and electric cars, at that rate of Norway." The Office admits despite it's due diligence in researching the mentioned articles, the idea of CNG was misunderstood and with the additional clarification, the phrase is much better suited to the article the Office thinks, while still calling for a clarity rewriting of the piece as a whole. Again the Office appreciates the examples mentioned in the response by member states. "This section tries to say that, if any brand cuts trees from the "forests", and not "maintained plantations", then the brand could be suspended/banned. So, this section isn't Null/Void." The Office still raises previously mentioned questions of enforcement and calls for further investigation of this section, (section c of The Frog Act) in terms of enforcement, enforcement training and training cost etc, and calls for this to be reconsidered. In an apology to all member states, respectfully citing that the act was removed back in 1993, for the Eurasian Elk Republican Protests, because it was unfit", that's really off-topic, to stop the Eurasian Elk Republican Protesters' protest, the act was not passed. This point may have come off as offensive or harsh but the point the Office raises is why would something not utilized in a founding nation be fitting enough to blanket over an entire region of vastly differing economies and cultures that's all. It was not meant to condemn the thinking of a member state, and thanks said member state for the explanation, while strongly condemning the dismissive tone of the response. In short again the Office calls for a review, amendment, or striking down of the aforementioned Frogarias Act of 1993.
TLDR: The Office of Councilor Of Economic Affairs of Valaryia responds to member state feedback on a previously published piece found on forum page 41, and again calls for
a review, amendment, or striking down of the aforementioned Frogarias Act of 1993.
Achlavania, The Northwest Corridor, Skelleftella, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
All this discussion and stuff...I'm really starting to doubt about my position as the Councilor of Ecological Affairs. I think CNC is more experienced than me. Now, my request is to make the manager of the Unions of Valaryia.
Achlavania, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
If we're going to go down this route I propose an alteration to the council seating, we could merge the economic and Ecological seat into Councilor Of Legal Affairs or something along that line, create a new seat for Councilor Of Public Affairs, and run both the election cycle for that seat and the Councilor Of Security Affairs
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
What for my unions...I mean...the Unions of Valaryia? Will that be managed by the Councilor of Public Affairs, or a new officer seat will be created?
Achlavania, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Councilor Of Pulic Affairs would be responsible for managing most of the RP content I believe your unions fall under that right?
We'll wait to see what the other councilors and president have to say for this change to the council however.
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
If I may...
Combining the ecological seat with the economic seat could be seriously detrimental to some. The combination of a seat with the intent of preserving and improving environmental status could seriously conflict with modern industrial economics. That divide in belief between the Office and the Resident has chance to sow distrust; and I believe that's fairly well justified.
In an example, say there was a policy that required cars to be entirely electric. I'm pretty sure there is one, which would make this even more accurate. The policy of all-electric cars has the possibility to dry up an entire category of gasoline production, which plays a big part in the economics of the automobile industry. Alongside that, nations with lack of power supplies that are affordable to operate would be stuck with natural gases to make the electricity that's used to power the cars made to REDUCE carbon emissions. That in and of itself is ironic. This bit is in relation to the last couple of days in terms of certain Acts enacted.
Another example would a case of produced power. In some nations, there isn't exactly an affordable way to produce power without having to spend millions on new facilities. Going green with energy production is an amazing idea when looking at it through the lens of the richer nation, but the poorer nation will always suffer from a tariff or something of the sort for continuing to follow the only system they can afford. This is in relation to a case of some nations being of billions of [insert currency here] while others struggle to keep up with their developments.
Both of the prior points are from a personal perspective, but I strongly suggest applying what I have mentioned here into situations of the past to see if there would be such a correlation.
My "proposition" (and by that I mean unnecessary suggestion) would be the following;
i.) Retain the Ecological Affairs Councillor position. Swede has a wonderful view on how the environment should be shaped for the betterment of the Region and keeps that in mind to a degree when writing. The only issue is (from my own knowledge) a lack of moderation of Acts written both by this position and parchance any other position with trhe power to suggest such a document.
ii.) Instate a Councillor for Legal Affairs to review Acts before submission. That way, there is someone with the sole purpose to review legal documents and stuff of the sort to ensure fair terms, equity, and prosperity within the region, not just for one or another.
TL;DR; We only need a Legal Affairs advisor if we're going to have someone start monitoring Acts instead of having another position multitask. That way, everyone can gain something out of an Act, not just one group.
I do not mean to offend in this post. It is never my intent. This is purely for the sake of conversation and suggestion.
Canadian North California, Swadonland, Satn, Koranz, Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Well said
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Thank you very much, I appreciate the kind words
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
My reasoning for merging both Ecological and economic councilor is quite simple, if we do regulate the passing of laws into an rp and therefore make them optional than maintaining two councilor seats for that side of the region seems a tad bit excessive, so allowing the formation of a seat purely with the intent to manage the whole of passing laws and running elections not merely submitting them, and than forming a seat in relation of most rps would cover the rest of the basis on that end.
Skelleftella, Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
In that case, I still believe that Economic Affairs has its own position in the region, specifically because of the amount of complications the position holds alone. Legal Affairs, however, is a definitive requirement for the future. That I can agree with.
Canadian North California, Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
So you are proposing that the council seating remains as is, but the formation of the Councilor of Legal Affairs be made on top of the current seating?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
If that is the suggestion, I would fully support the creation of a new seat.
Achlavania, The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
To manage everything in terms of documents, data and articles (or at least revise them,) yes. That is my suggestion in short
Achlavania, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Alright makes sense, we'll see how the rest of the region feels about your suggestion before running any elections
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Thank you for taking my words into consideration.
Achlavania, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I consider the words of all member states, I'd be a pretty bad founder if I didn't
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Just my opinion :-
There should be a Councilor of Legislative Affairs, who will find out any faults in any of the acts, written by any nation. And, there should be a Councilor for Environmental Legislative Affairs? To check that if these acts will be able to shape the environment more efficiently, or it will b able to conserve the environment. But, the councilor should have a wonderful and a creative knowledge about environment.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Hello, how are you today?
Koranz, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I'm gonna say that one for specifically environment would be unnecessary, considering that then you need one for economics, security, so on so forth.
Rather, a Councillor for Legislative Affairs would cover everything in that proposal
Swedesttanossa, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I do agree with this merge.
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
^^
Yes, all of that affairs should be managed by only one office
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Okay than I suggest this maneuver, we disband the offices of Ecological and Economic Affairs, form the Councilor Of Legislative Affairs, than form the Councilor Of Security Affairs as that office is still necessary to avoid any invasions or inter regional threats and than possibly form the Councillor of Legal Affairs to bolster council leadership, I will also review the powers of previously formated roles to better situated these changes.
We could also trade it the Legal Affairs for Public Affairs if the legal Affairs situation cross sections with Legislative Affairs
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I'm going to reiterate the necessity of a Councillor of Economics again. It's a role that we still will need filled even if it were to be disbanded, as "Legislative" wouldn't exactly have the coverage on "Economics." Councillor of Security Affairs is an idea that should be fulfilled. I just don't see a reason to abolish roles that already exist to create another role made to monitor the roles it replaces
Canadian North California, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
Personally, it wouldnt make much sense to discontinue the position of Councilor of Economic Affairs as it doesnt really impede on too much internal legal affairs. After all we require one for economic regulation and integration of the region.
Aside from that Im pretty happy with the proposal.
The Northwest Corridor, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I just spent three hours making a google document that essentially sprouted from yike = oof.
God my life is sad
Canadian North California, Valaryian Burvenchkaht
not even tell me more about said document
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
I would propose a minor tweak. Maybe legal and legislative be one position?
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
As the current head of the department, how would that effect me? Would it require my reelection to the newly made position etc.
Regards,
PM Bartholomew Trent, Councilor Of Economic Affairs
Valaryian Burvenchkaht
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