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Refuge Isle wrote:Welcome back, by the way Athidill and Wu Nation, you're two of my favourite people and I hope live has been alright while you've been away.

Ouch, that hurt jk.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Wu Nation, Melenavenia

Subadent wrote:Ouch, that hurt jk.

I have carefully instructed my national apologists to grovel before you and beg forgiveness with this supreme gift.

Subadent, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:I have carefully instructed my national apologists to grovel before you and beg forgiveness with this supreme gift.

Apology a c c e p t e d. also my schools IT department is s*it they f*cked my laptop login and thus i can no longer login to my emails and timetables D:

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Its time for a subadentian annexation, come here WU jk.... maybe :eyes:

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Subadent wrote:Apology a c c e p t e d. also my schools IT department is s*it they f*cked my laptop login and thus i can no longer login to my emails and timetables D:

Simply show up to random classes. Become and expert in any field by picking places at random to drop in and complete homework never =)

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

It's kind of a dream of mine to just live near a school and shadow classes that interest me constantly. I feel like, if you show up early enough, they'll just accept your presence until the final.

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Welcome back, by the way Athidill and Wu Nation, you're two of my favourite people and I hope live has been alright while you've been away.

Thanks <3

Eh, you know, sure it's had its ups and downs like, but now I'm on winter break for two weeks and I'm going to be spending some time with relatives and friends so that's a pretty good prospect. Tá súil agam go bhí beatha is fearr leat <3 God, that grammar is awful.

I'm really thinking of really power-studying Irish these next few weeks. It's been soooo long since I last used Duolingo or just did anything to expand my grammar and vocab and I feel it would be really empowering for me to get back to Irish.

Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Wu Nation, Melenavenia

Athidill wrote:Thanks <3

Eh, you know, sure it's had its ups and downs like, but now I'm on winter break for two weeks and I'm going to be spending some time with relatives and friends so that's a pretty good prospect. Tá súil agam go bhí beatha is fearr leat <3 God, that grammar is awful.

I'm really thinking of really power-studying Irish these next few weeks. It's been soooo long since I last used Duolingo or just did anything to expand my grammar and vocab and I feel it would be really empowering for me to get back to Irish.

It's times like those that I feel bad for leaving our impromptu study group. But I'm proud of you for keeping with it!

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Feels nice to be back in the game. I used to play this like 2 years ago in The West Pacific. Decided to come back see what's changed so what up.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Wew, that was a backlog read.

Irish politics were something that get brought up at times in the chat back when we had one because there are a few people here that are interested in Ireland and the Irish language to various degrees of connection and familiarity. It definitely not the case to take the assumption that someone has no idea what they're talking about if something gets brought up for discussion, especially in such detail.

oh no we're talking about the election

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Welcome back, by the way Athidill and Wu Nation, you're two of my favourite people and I hope live has been alright while you've been away.

life has been not great but im really happy to be back here, so thats good! i still miss the discord tho

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

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Mars-Miners wrote:Nope, after Athidill's curious answer, I'm going somewhere else. Have fun and good luck and all good Refugia.I don't feel fun at interpreting and basic discussions in a computer-game. Good bye.

Áth merely told you that they're French and continued the conversation. If one set back in an otherwise pleasant acquaintanceship is worth leaving a community, I'm afraid that your standards might be too high 😅

Language operates on a textual and a subtextual level. English especially has a lot of landmines when it comes to conveying nuance and subtext. If you're immersed in the language for long enough, it starts making sense, but if you're not comfortably fluent you can make mistakes. Most of us have at least one language besides English and can sympathise with those mistakes, and would have moved past this if you had.

If you're certain leaving is the right move for you, then I hope you find a region you can be happy in. If you change your mind, we're still here and I certainly don't fault you for accidental word choice.

Athidill, Melenavenia

Blue Night Springs wrote:Feels nice to be back in the game. I used to play this like 2 years ago in The West Pacific. Decided to come back see what's changed so what up.

Welcome ^-^ most likely things haven't changed much in two years. At the very least, we've been around as a region for a little over one year and nothing about the wider game has changed in that amount of time.

How are you? It's always nice to meet new people <3

Athidill, Melenavenia

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God, I'm really coming to terms with the fact that speaking grammatically correct and not merely intelligible Irish does entail learning the declension scheme. Like, conjugations are fine since there's only ever like two conjugation tables but declensions are just eeh.

Welcome back, people!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Oh wow, Ath is back. That's a pleasant surprise. Welcome, friend.

Huri De Wintre, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

A question for American Refugians--who to you is the most appealing Democratic candidate currently out of those still running? You don't have to explain why. I am very conflicted still over my support for 2 candidates even though they're both surging in popularity.

Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:A question for American Refugians--who to you is the most appealing Democratic candidate currently out of those still running? You don't have to explain why. I am very conflicted still over my support for 2 candidates even though they're both surging in popularity.

Apologies for not fulfilling the first bit (🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦), but I've been following the candidates pretty closely, so maybe I have something of value.

I really like Elizabeth Warren. The USA is very conservative compared to us, and I feel she's countered that by backing up all her ideas with extremely thought out plans.

I'm pretty solidly NDP here (social Democrats, think Sanders or Occasio-Cortez), so I'm partial to Sanders on a policy level, but I don't think he could get anything done. To enact the policies he wants, you'd need to have more representation in Congress.

Melenavenia

Melenavenia wrote:A question for American Refugians--who to you is the most appealing Democratic candidate currently out of those still running? You don't have to explain why. I am very conflicted still over my support for 2 candidates even though they're both surging in popularity.

It’s gotta be Bernie for me. I’d obviously love to have a president who wasn’t another old white guy, but he will definitely be the “maximum mitigation of damage” as far as i can tell.

Also, M4A covers transition and I’ll never be able to afford it otherwise (:

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Athidill wrote:God, I'm really coming to terms with the fact that speaking grammatically correct and not merely intelligible Irish does entail learning the declension scheme. Like, conjugations are fine since there's only ever like two conjugation tables but declensions are just eeh.

Welcome back, people!

That's half the fun! Besides, you try to get one thing right and then you look back and you're half way into learning the whole thing

Sylh Alanor wrote:Apologies for not fulfilling the first bit (🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦)

I recognised the slight shift in font style, but otherwise this probably wouldn't have made sense.

For whatever reason flag emotes don't seem to render the right way on desktop, so all I see are CACACA :P

Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote: I recognised the slight shift in font style, but otherwise this probably wouldn't have made sense.

For whatever reason flag emotes don't seem to render the right way on desktop, so all I see are CACACA :P

Oh, oops lol. Does this version work better? 🇨🇦

Huri De Wintre, Melenavenia

Sylh Alanor wrote:Oh, oops lol. Does this version work better? 🇨🇦

It is now showing up as CA. The font is still different, though. :)

Melenavenia

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:It is now showing up as CA. The font is still different, though. :)

This is unfortunate. I only wish to convey my feelings through a flag.

Melenavenia

Sylh Alanor wrote:This is unfortunate. I only wish to convey my feelings through a flag.

Which country's flag are you trying to show? If you'd like, I could find a site with the flag and post the link or just post a link to the picture.

Melenavenia

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:Which country's flag are you trying to show? If you'd like, I could find a site with the flag and post the link or just post a link to the picture.

Lol that's okay, don't worry friend. I'm using the emoji of the Canadian flag. If it's not working as an emoji, I'm not worried about linking an image. I'm sure most people know what it looks like :p

Melenavenia

Outside of specialised sites and apps, flag emoji seem to have the most trouble existing normally.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Outside of specialised sites and apps, flag emoji seem to have the most trouble existing normally.

That's because Windows doesn't support the national flag emojis yet nor is any color font format supported by all common browsers.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Is the flag of Refugia based on a flag or multiple flags in real life? It looks like a mix of the Canadian flag, the European Union's flag, and maybe France's flag to me.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:Is the flag of Refugia based on a flag or multiple flags in real life? It looks like a mix of the Canadian flag, the European Union's flag, and maybe France's flag to me.

Mostly the flags that I've made don't have any inspiration from anything, I just put things together when I feel like making something. In this case, it *was* a bit inspired from Canada and was originally supposed to be red or green. But I was going through some different hue transformations and this shade of turquoise seemed to settle pretty well.

If anyone's curious, I've put some other flags that I've made into this dispatch https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1223147

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Melenavenia wrote:A question for American Refugians--who to you is the most appealing Democratic candidate currently out of those still running? You don't have to explain why. I am very conflicted still over my support for 2 candidates even though they're both surging in popularity.

Bernie all the way. Warren lost me after she straight up lied about Bernie and then yelled at him for saying she lied during the debates, also how she took his policies to gain her popularity and then promptly rejected them once she surged in the polls.

I am not a fan of Pete (and I’m from Indiana). He’s just young gay Biden to me. I’ll vote for either in a general but I’m happy that Bernie is doing so well so we can finally combat that ratchet effect. The further right the right moves, the further right the left moves. Maybe, just maybe, there’s some hope for some real democratic/left policies instead of Republican and Republican-lite™

Ashaie, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg

Virandon wrote:Bernie all the way. Warren lost me after she straight up lied about Bernie and then yelled at him for saying she lied during the debates, also how she took his policies to gain her popularity and then promptly rejected them once she surged in the polls.

Forgive me asking this, as I'm afraid I might not be as clued in on American news as you are. Has proof come out that the "aides" that reported details about the meeting lied, and that her signing onto it was also a lie? I haven't seen that. Also can you give some examples of her rejecting policies that, to my knowledge, she had supported for years before this election cycle?

Virandon, Melenavenia

I did expect to see a lot of Warrens and Sanders support coming from Refugia but I also expected to see a little more support for other candidates. Anyway, do any of y'all have Valentines? It's that time of the year again.

Sylh Alanor

Sylh Alanor wrote:Forgive me asking this, as I'm afraid I might not be as clued in on American news as you are. Has proof come out that the "aides" that reported details about the meeting lied, and that her signing onto it was also a lie? I haven't seen that. Also can you give some examples of her rejecting policies that, to my knowledge, she had supported for years before this election cycle?

Great question! I say that she lied about Bernie saying he didn’t think a woman should be president because she herself said it happened in a private meeting, his actions as an activist throughout his career negate that, and when he defended himself, she, on stage, with her mic on, yelled at him for saying she lied (which he didn’t do, he said he didn’t do that, he didn’t call her a liar). The centrist left is so desperate to slander him that they will do anything for it, even lie or stretch the truth. They do it on MSNBC too. Here’s an article about the exchange https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/politics/sanders-warren-debate-handshake.html

I should make it clear that the MOST important issue to me this election cycle is universal health care. I’m in my early 20s and filing bankruptcy currently because my insurance didn’t cover any portion of a $36,000 hospitalization in 2018. Overall, I’m 77,000 in debt because I got sick and decided to go to college. If you don’t come from money in this country, you are set up for failure.

Bernie campaigned on health care in 2016. He was the one with a Medicare for All plan. Suddenly Warren was on board.... and then not so much. (Link for proof that she didn’t come out in support of single-payer/universal until this election cycle https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-sanders-044457) She wasn’t on board with Medicare for All, and criticized it until recently. Her M4A plan doesn’t move to single payer until her 3rd year of presidency. AFTER midterm elections. For those of you who don’t know, every two years there are elections for some of the representatives and senators. Half of them are elected during the presidential election, and half are elected two years later. Or, she’s doing it right before re-election, when she could be spending her entire presidency campaigning for it. Obama delayed his healthcare legislation, because he wanted more bipartisanship, and we got saddled with the mess that is the ACA. I would not be covered under her plan, because, even though I am low-income, I am a single woman with no kids, so that means I’m back to square one. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2019/11/18/the-health-202-elizabeth-warren-is-no-longer-a-medicare-for-all-purist/5dd145a788e0fa10ffd20ed8/

I am equally tired of the pandering. I am tired of white women telling me, an LGBT+ woman of color, that I should be voting for a woman and not some old white guy. It’s not like Bernie is any old white guy, he’s a Jewish man whose parents were Polish and Austrian immigrants. He lost most of his extended family in the Holocaust. Unlike some of his colleagues (Biden) his record matches his views. He marched during the civil rights movement, he’s been arrested as an activist. Those actions speak louder than words to me. I see a man who has spent his long career fighting for minorities, and that matters to me more than age and gender.

Sorry for the long post! I just wanted to clarify my position. Would I prefer to vote for Warren over Buttigieg or Biden? Absolutely! But I won’t be voting for her in the primaries.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg

Virandon wrote:-snip-

Oh wow, thank you for the long breakdown on your thoughts. I feel like I understand the situation much better now. I'm so sorry for your having to deal with the medical system, it sounds like a nightmare.

Do you think it's possible that Warren's plan to implement M4A is more likely to work? As far as I'm aware, most of the congressional representatives of the democratic party aren't in favour of it as a policy yet, so a bill probably wouldn't make it through Congress, especially if it's introduced on day one of a presidency.

The treatment of Sanders as just another old cishet white man is strange to me, given that I've seen pictures of him marching for civil rights in the 60s and speaking at a pride event in the 80s. He seems to be a legitimate ally for groups of people who aren't well represented.

I listened to a podcast recently talking about Sanders and his relationship with the media over time. It's fascinating; did you know the young turks guy used to be an anchor on MSNBC? The channel used to be super progressive according to this podcast, but shifted to support Obama on his more centrist ideology with an eye on Clinton running in 2016. That also led them to oust a lot of their more progressive anchors because they weren't happy with the changes.

Also nobody should tell you who you should support just because of your demographic. That's just rude. Just because I'm lgbt doesn't mean I like Buttigieg lol.

(also sorry if it gives you a notification that I suppressed your post, I'm on mobile and missed the quote button at first!)

Virandon, Melenavenia

Hit Me Plz wrote:Hit me plz

As you wish.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

In my opinion, Warren’s (and anyone else’s) Medicare plans can’t work in the long term. While her plan is better than the “Medicare for all who need it” or “Medicare for all who want it” platforms of others (I’m looking at you, booty judge), it is prone to being dismantled over time.

Basically, what will happen is this. She passes the first stage of her plan after getting into office. Obviously, the plan won’t be perfect. Someone, somewhere won’t get the care they need. That’s inevitable with any plan.

This will immediately get played up by the republicans. “See - m4a is failing. Let’s go back to a private system before it’s too late!” Then, before we know it the midterms come around. A bunch of Republican congresspeople get elected, and all our progress is undone.

A true M4A will avoid this. I like to use the firefighter analogy here. If your local fire department failed to put out a fire, you probably wouldn’t vote to disband the whole service. You might put in regulations, add funding, or any number of other changes. The specifics don’t matter. When a system is designed for everyone, shortcomings are met with improvements.

Now let’s say your local fire department charged 300 of your local currency every time they put out a fire. Or they only fight fires when they determine someone “needs” it, and let the private sector do the rest. In this system, if a mistake happens, people are much more likely to get rid of the fire department altogether. After all, some people aren’t even covered by it, so why should they want their tax money going to it?

I think of healthcare in the same way. The only stable system is one where everyone is covered for all conditions from day one.

Refuge Isle, Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Virandon, Melenavenia

Hit Me Plz wrote:Hit me plz

**smacks you in the face with the nearest log**

To everyone else talking about American politics:

I really enjoy this talk about Sanders and Warren. I really like Sanders I think he is an outstanding guy and unlike most candidates I believe he believes what he campaigns for. I wish more politicians were like him. I am just afraid like so many others that switching to M4A would not work because of the costs. I have seen so many statistics saying it would be fine and so many others saying it would be terrible. Each type has listed a multitude of reasons and I just don't know what to think anymore. I am not good with math nor do I have an excellent understanding of the economy and America's monetary capabilities (though I know we can spend a heck ton of the military--though we have good reason to with the advancing influence of China and Russia). I know M4A has worked in other countries, notably in Europe but European populations and vastness (not land size though except Russia none can) except Russia perhaps do not even compare to us but I just don't know if it'll work here. I am 16 years old and I am scared for my future. I am afraid of student loans and the costs that would come with all the other necessities of life piled upon it with the additional possibility of having something else pile upon it like a bad injury or an accident. I cringe at the fact that I will not likely be able to retire as many people who are of retiring age can now. I fear I will not even be able to move to Canada to live with my 2 year+ boyfriend if things turn out like how I hope they will.

I don't care about someones ethnicity, birthplace, or language (though of course I'd like to be able to communicate, because communication is great for a multitude of ways). I have had several instances where I have had someone point out, "There's only 1 Asian guy in the class" and I have to look around to confirm that because frankly I don't care. I don't understand the human obsession with ethnicity, birthplace, and language. I would cry just the same if I found someone dead on the street no matter what they looked like. I love people. I just want a president who sees things the same way and Sanders definitely seems to fit that but like I said I don't know if his plans will work. There are no sources I can trust because everything seems to be in bed with a point of view or a goal. I just want what is right. I just want what will ensure I will not have my future crushed.

Sorry if that was a bit of a rant. I got emotional midway when I started talking about my fears.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Virandon

Melenavenia wrote:-snip-

Economics can be hard to understand, I don’t even understand it sometimes. I think that the economy WILL take a dip, without question. M4A will be eliminating an ENTIRE industry, but the economy will also recover. Also there is the question of WHO will be affected by this policy, and the answer is: rich people, honestly. Those who are employed at health insurance companies can find jobs working in the medical sector or at other insurance companies (industries come and go, and its easier for white color workers to find replacement jobs than blue collar ones, like the coal miners in WV), but the CEOs of big health insurance corporations like Anthem/Blue Cross Blue Shield? They will take the hit the deserve, in my opinion.

I don’t mean to sound condescending, but I think you should be proud of yourself for taking such a vested interest in politics and economics. I’m a high school ESL teacher and it’s hard to get my students engaged in their civics classes. Even though you can’t vote yet, they’re important issues to understand. I’ll try to make this my last political post of the day, but sometimes I just can’t help myself 😂

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Virandon wrote:-snip-

My uncle (who raises me) works for a bakery as a technician. He uses Blue Cross Blue Shield through the bakery for his insurance. Obviously I don't want him to lose his insurance. Personally, I'm on my grandmother's (who adopted me as well) insurance provided by the military because her husband was an Air Force veteran. I don't know exactly how private or government funded this insurance exactly is provided by the military. I don't want my uncle's, grandmother's, and my healthcare quality to go down because it is no longer private basically. I know you said you'll try to make that your last political post but that right there is another big reason of mine why I am afraid to support Sanders despite my approval of him because he has stated in the past he wants to get rid of all private insurance. I don't care about any CEOs of insurance companies--I have no reason to.

I also have a question for you. Do you think that a president could enforce better regulations on insurance companies and make it more affordable and/or make there be both government and private insurance options without their work being overturn like how Obama's work has been under siege by Trump on day 1? I just want the best option, really. Whoever has the best option and has other savory and acceptable plans I would put my support behind.

Also, you don't sound condescending at all to me. I know most people my age don't know who the candidates are running for president besides Trump and maybe Biden and Sanders. I have always had a love hate relationship with civics and politics. On one hand it is fascinating and interesting to me but on the other hand the biased opinions of others on it drive me insane. I am a moderate. I have views on things that some people would say is a Democrat point of view, a Republican point of view, a Libertarian point of view, a Socialist point of view--you get the point and I always try to flip every stone to discover every side but somethings like M4A are too controversial so I can't get any real fact behind it without obvious bias or the worry of less obvious bias. So while I am happily indulging in what you are telling me I am taking it with a grain of salt as I should with anything. Thank you though, Virandon. Wish you luck on getting your students engaged in civics.

Subadent, Athidill, Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:My uncle (who raises me) works for a bakery as a technician. He uses Blue Cross Blue Shield through the bakery for his insurance., I don't want him to lose his insurance. I'm on my grandmother's (who adopted me as well) insurance provided by the military because her husband was an Air Force veteran. I don't know exactly how private or government-funded this insurance exactly is provided by the military. I don't want my uncle's, grandmother's, and my healthcare quality to go down because it is no longer private basically. I know you said you'll try to make that your last political post but that right there is another big reason of mine why I am afraid to support Sanders despite my approval of him because he has stated in the past he wants to get rid of all private insurance. I don't care about any CEOs of insurance companies--I have no reason to.

I also have a question for you. Do you think that a president could enforce better regulations on insurance companies and make it more affordable and/or make there be both government and private insurance options without their work being overturned like how Obama's work has been under siege by Trump on day 1? I just want the best option. Whoever has the best option and has other savoury and acceptable plans I would put my support behind.

Also, you don't sound condescending at all to me. I know most people my age don't know who the candidates are running for president besides Trump and maybe Biden and Sanders. I have always had a love-hate relationship with civics and politics. On the one hand, it is fascinating and interesting to me but on the other hand, the biased opinions of others on it drive me insane. I am a moderate. I have views on things that some people would say is a Democrat point of view, a Republican point of view, a Libertarian point of view, a Socialist point of view--you get the point and I always try to flip every stone to discover every side but somethings like M4A are too controversial so I can't get any real fact behind it without obvious bias or the worry of less obvious bias. So while I am happily indulging in what you are telling me I am taking it with a grain of salt as I should with anything. Thank you though, Virandon. Wish you luck on getting your students engaged in civics.

w o a h

Athidill, Sylh Alanor

trying embassies with Evergreen Conifer now with the new First Minister Central Birdland.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor

Subadent wrote:trying embassies with Evergreen Conifer now with the new First Minister Central Birdland.

If at first you don't succeed, yeah?

Subadent, Athidill, Sylh Alanor

Refuge Isle wrote:If at first you don't succeed, yeah?

yep

Athidill, Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:My uncle (who raises me) works for a bakery as a technician. He uses Blue Cross Blue Shield through the bakery for his insurance. Obviously I don't want him to lose his insurance. Personally, I'm on my grandmother's (who adopted me as well) insurance provided by the military because her husband was an Air Force veteran. I don't know exactly how private or government funded this insurance exactly is provided by the military. I don't want my uncle's, grandmother's, and my healthcare quality to go down because it is no longer private basically. I know you said you'll try to make that your last political post but that right there is another big reason of mine why I am afraid to support Sanders despite my approval of him because he has stated in the past he wants to get rid of all private insurance. I don't care about any CEOs of insurance companies--I have no reason to.

The problem with private insurance is that it doesn't actually give you much. Your uncle still has to pay premiums up front to have insurance at all, then pay part of each doctor's bill (sometimes quite high amounts). Sometimes, the private insurance companies will fight with the insured person and try to get out of paying for certain things. Your grandmother's VA healthcare is a tax-sponsored system, same as the US Military's TriCare system. It's entirely paid for by American taxpayers, the same way M4A would be paid for. Essentially (the way it works here, anyway), part of your taxes go to the centralised healthcare system, the government issues you a healthcare ID card, and you show that at the hospital/doctor's office. You don't pay anything extra, you just get seen and go. We still have to pay part of/all of medication costs here, and some elective procedures aren't covered, but for the most part we don't have to live under that same stress.

Private companies are always going to work toward their own profit; it's just a reality of capitalism. Therefore, private insurance companies are always going to charge as much as they can get away with, and pay the hospitals as little as they can get away with. When the system is designed so that the government pays hospitals directly, things tend to work a little more smoothly. At least, that's the case in my experience. And since everyone pays a uniform amount to the government for those health services, someone who only rarely visits a doctor (me) can help cover someone who is less fortunate and needs life-saving surgeries. As far as I'm concerned, socialism is empathy, and it says a lot when a government/culture fights back against that, just because they think that the less fortunate are lazy or bad. In my opinion it doesn't matter if someone's lazy, they still have a right to live and be okay.

I hope things work out with your boyfriend btw :) everyone should be welcome to move somewhere that rewards good work and behaviour with actual care.

Athidill, Virandon

Melenavenia wrote:-snip-

Military insurance is controlled by the government, so that wouldn’t change, also insurance wouldn’t be necessary under M4A, because everyone would have health care. Your uncle wouldn’t have premiums or deductibles anymore (health insurance is something you have to pay for, and it doesn’t pay for ANYTHING until you pay a certain amount. So if your uncle gets seriously hurt BEFORE he hits his deductible, then all of that would have to come out of his own pocket.) Health care quality only goes down under single-payer programs when conservatives defund them, like the NHS.

However, there are some people that don’t even have health care, or who’s insurance plans don’t cover certain things (like mine), so some health care is better than nothing. Conservatives were also against Medicaid (government funded health care for very low income families) when it was put in place, but it’s been so popular that conservatives can no longer take it away, they can only defund it.

The UK runs into problems because they operate with a parliamentary system, so conservatives have an easier time winning because UK citizens don’t actually vote for their prime minister. So a moderate voter in the UK who likes a Tory policy will be stuck with British Trump (Boris Johnson). The US of course has the crapshoot that is the Electoral College (so we of course have our own problems), but that is one positive of the federalist system: we vote for individuals, not a party that votes for our leaders for us.

I hope I have not offended any Brits in our group, I’m not trying to trash your political system. Trust me, I know ours is terrible 😂 please correct anything I’ve said wrong!

My issue with just regulating the insurance companies is that health care is a necessity, not a commodity. To quote AOC, it’s not like buying an iPhone. There are many options other than an iPhone. You can choose not to buy a phone at all, but health insurance forces people to choose whether or not to live. Those of us who can’t afford it will die, those who can but have to choose between life and feeding their kids, will most likely, die. I don’t mean to sound dramatic, but it is life or death for a majority of Americans. Single-payer/M4A means that EVERYONE will be covered regardless of social and economic status. We won’t need private insurance because your uncle will be covered, everyone will—that’s what single-payer/M4A does.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Virandon wrote:but that is one positive of the federalist system: we vote for individuals, not a party that votes for our leaders for us.

Fun fact, even though the UK (a constitutional monarchy) doesn't have federalism, Canada (also a constitutional monarchy) does! Technically, all federalism means is that you have two separate levels of government (federal/provincial or federal/state) that have separate responsibilities.

In theory, having the Prime Minister be the leader of the majority party is supposed to result in PMs being somewhat moderate within their own party so that they can appeal to the different wings/maintain the confidence of the House of Commons. It also means that the leader of our executive is aligned with the governing party in Parliament and avoids the problem the US system has where the President can be one party and the House/Senate another, leading to constant fighting and gridlock. That's not to say there aren't problems, of course, just some interesting differences. We also have conventions where everyone in a party votes for party leaders, which is different from the UK, so it's not super relevant to what you were saying at all, sorry 😅 I'm also realising that I don't actually know what the word is when you vote for everyone, Senate and President included.

Subadent, Athidill, Virandon, Melenavenia

Sylh Alanor You’re right! That’s my bad, I used the wrong term. I should have used republic 🤦‍♀️ That’s embarrassing.

Subadent, Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Tale as old as time.

Athidill, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Has Evergreen Conifer managed to sort out their Communications/Culture candidate issues, then?

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Cool flag Sylh Alanor even though when it is small like it is on the regional message board the tree looks like a ghostly face and that is spooky.

Virandon wrote:-snip-

Also, I see Virandon. Thank you for the explanation and not getting mad at me.

Virandon

Greetings all! Happy to have commenced embassies with Refugia and hope we'll continue that into the future :)

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Virandon, Melenavenia

Apparently making it illegal to threaten someone online removes the Public Protest policy. That makes no sense threats and protesting are not the same.

Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:Apparently making it illegal to threaten someone online removes the Public Protest policy. That makes no sense threats and protesting are not the same.

That's a weird one. The actual mechanics of that option are that it may add "No Dissent" or it may add or remove "Public Protest" depending on where your other stats are and go in the result. (875/3)

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:That's a weird one. The actual mechanics of that option are that it may add "No Dissent" or it may add or remove "Public Protest" depending on where your other stats are and go in the result. (875/3)

I didn't gain the "No Dissent" policy which I'm glad. I am all for protest but having that get removed for banning online threats? Now that's just annoying, glad I didn't get "No Dissent" though.

Melenavenia wrote:I didn't gain the "No Dissent" policy which I'm glad. I am all for protest but having that get removed for banning online threats? Now that's just annoying, glad I didn't get "No Dissent" though.

I imagine you got it because it also outlaws threats against the government or government officials. Which is good, to be fair, but sometimes the game enjoys taking leaps that my brain doesn't.

Huri De Wintre, Melenavenia

Sylh Alanor wrote:I imagine you got it because it also outlaws threats against the government or government officials. Which is good, to be fair, but sometimes the game enjoys taking leaps that my brain doesn't.

I mean the issue was brought up because government officials were being threatened but the ban was on all online threats. And yeah, some of the issues' results really blow me away like how I became completely socialist on accident because I thought I was just going to get an AI assisted economy but it somehow made me socialist and banned private enterprise and made my economy completely controlled by AI.

Sylh Alanor

Melenavenia wrote:I mean the issue was brought up because government officials were being threatened but the ban was on all online threats. And yeah, some of the issues' results really blow me away like how I became completely socialist on accident because I thought I was just going to get an AI assisted economy but it somehow made me socialist and banned private enterprise and made my economy completely controlled by AI.

Ah yeah, unfortunately that one requires some close reading. Any planned economy is inherently socialist, and having an AI run that planning is just taking another step on that same path. I know the issue you're talking about, though, and can see how it would be difficult to catch a potential change you weren't directly looking for.

Melenavenia

Melenavenia wrote:like how I became completely socialist on accident because I thought I was just going to get an AI assisted economy but it somehow made me socialist and banned private enterprise and made my economy completely controlled by AI.

That exact thing happened to me once. I will leave it to you to find it in this chart XD

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=refuge_isle/detail=trend?censusid=48

It didn't do much for me at the time, but I was pretty heavily reliant on the private sector. Now I've reached a weird equilibrium where I'm capitalist, technically, but my economic freedom is at 18% :p

Huri De Wintre, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Hey, at least your Employment jumped through the roof!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Licatia

Narwhal wrote:Hey, at least your Employment jumped through the roof!

True! Another thing I don't really get. I'm guessing it's hard to have high employment rates at the same time as high welfare, but genuinely aside from the speed that business happens, most of the actual economy in Refuge Isle is pretty screwy.

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Hi friends, I wanted to recommend voting for on the current security council resolution at vote. At first, I was a little unsure because while they're fascists and awful, they also haven't actively done anything against any other regions or stopped the anti-fascist movement on NS in any way. Since they're just a small region that keeps to themselves, I kind of considered this a waste of time.

That being said, I looked through their RMB during my research phase and actually found the phrase "protect the race", so I'm going to say yeah let's just get rid of them.

Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis

I'm voting against. Giving this kind of people the exposure they wanted is bad idea.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

I examined the top WA delegates voting against liberating the Union of Axis Powers and the majority of them are part of regions that are authoritarian and/or fascist. That right there is a great reason to vote for other than the region itself.

Narwhal wrote:I'm voting against. Giving this kind of people the exposure they wanted is bad idea.

Also, I get what you mean by that but I'd rather fascist Nazi sympathizing regions to get destroyed. The majority of people who would see that and give it the attention people like that would want are probably already doing that on this site.

Sylh Alanor

Normally I would vote against, but I looked at their RMB and at posts from their allied regions (Fifth Empire and Nazi Europa) and they are all really mad about it. The vindictive anti-fascist in me is pushing me to vote “for.”

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

I just looked at regional happenings and saw how many nations suddenly ceased to exist. What's up with that?

Virandon wrote:Normally I would vote against, but I looked at their RMB and at posts from their allied regions (Fifth Empire and Nazi Europa) and they are all really mad about it. The vindictive anti-fascist in me is pushing me to vote “for.”

I didn't even look at their RMB and yeah I see Nazi Europa and Fifth Empire there upset. The group itself seems pretty dead as those two region's delegates are the only ones posting there at the moment. I looked at Nazi Europa's RMB and a nation there said "Hail to Nazi Europa and death to the leftists!". Their post was up post-WA liberation resolution for Union of the Axis Powers so that's telling of what they're about.

Sylh Alanor

In case anyone is curious about what's happening in the world, it's been about 28 days since the Reddit wave, so all the people who made an account and never returned to the game are expiring today. Some five or six thousand accounts were just cleared out, imcluding about twenty here in Refugia.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Aulivuel

What's the funniest/most extreme policy you've accidentally made in any of your nations?

In this nation, I accidentally outlawed sports and biological birth, in another one, (this one isn't funny I'm just disappointed in my self for doing this) I accidentally outlawed religion because of a misclick.

Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:In case anyone is curious about what's happening in the world, it's been about 28 days since the Reddit wave, so all the people who made an account and never returned to the game are expiring today. Some five or six thousand accounts were just cleared out, imcluding about twenty here in Refugia.

and what a wonderful 28 days it has been. Thank you all for your inclusiveness.

Melenavenia, Aulivuel

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:What's the funniest/most extreme policy you've accidentally made in any of your nations?

In this nation, I accidentally outlawed sports and biological birth, in another one, (this one isn't funny I'm just disappointed in my self for doing this) I accidentally outlawed religion because of a misclick.

God I was half asleep and accidentally abolished the court system and adopted capital punishment with one wrong click. Since then I’ve had the setting on that asks “Are you sure?” Because I haven’t been able to get rid of those policies yet and it’s been weeks lmao

Melenavenia

Virandon wrote:God I was half asleep and accidentally abolished the court system and adopted capital punishment with one wrong click. Since then I’ve had the setting on that asks “Are you sure?” Because I haven’t been able to get rid of those policies yet and it’s been weeks lmao

I'm just glad I didn't outlaw religion in my main country.

Melenavenia

The Independant State Of Stonerton wrote:and what a wonderful 28 days it has been. Thank you all for your inclusiveness.

What was the Reddit thing? I have heard it talked about but I've managed to not wrap my brain around what it actually is. I'm assuming from how you quoted the message you came as part of that.

Refuge Isle, The Independant State Of Stonerton

Melenavenia wrote:What was the Reddit thing? I have heard it talked about but I've managed to not wrap my brain around what it actually is. I'm assuming from how you quoted the message you came as part of that.

Last month someone posted a topic on AskReddit that said something to the effect of "what's the most underappreciated website that needs more attention?" and the top or second top comment was NationStates. Naturally, everyone saw it and like ten thousand accounts registered in the same afternoon.

Melenavenia, Macleaviopia

yup. It was underappreciated game, most of the comments were about how fun and relaxed it was. I like politics, and with my kids I have very little time to game anymore, so I figured i'd take a peak, along with 10000 other people.

Melenavenia

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:What's the funniest/most extreme policy you've accidentally made in any of your nations?

In this nation, I accidentally outlawed sports and biological birth, in another one, (this one isn't funny I'm just disappointed in my self for doing this) I accidentally outlawed religion because of a misclick.

Literally forgot to answer your question and I was looking through the RMB for a dispatch I was making and remembered. Anyway, I already said this before but the most extreme policy I accidentally made was that I accidentally became socialist. I understand there are some people who are socialist here but I was aiming for a capitalistic society initially but now I've decided to just go with it.

The Independant State Of Stonerton wrote:yup. It was underappreciated game, most of the comments were about how fun and relaxed it was. I like politics, and with my kids I have very little time to game anymore, so I figured i'd take a peak, along with 10000 other people.

I personally did find it through reddit around the same time but through a completely different post on a much smaller subreddit. To be honest, I didn't even realise it was online at first. XD

Melenavenia

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:What's the funniest/most extreme policy you've accidentally made in any of your nations?

In this nation, I accidentally outlawed sports and biological birth, in another one, (this one isn't funny I'm just disappointed in my self for doing this) I accidentally outlawed religion because of a misclick.

It wasn’t a one-click thing exactly, but after I abolished the court system I assumed I’d have to work to keep that value near zero. As it turns out, it is absolutely possible to have less than zero law enforcement.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Uwusberg wrote:It wasn’t a one-click thing exactly, but after I abolished the court system I assumed I’d have to work to keep that value near zero. As it turns out, it is absolutely possible to have less than zero law enforcement.

But how, like how do they justify that? How would you justify having negative law enforcement? Hehe

That's seriously hilarious.

Melenavenia, Uwusberg

Elenaraghaenaris

Well, I’ve got great rehab programs and my overview still says that “crime is virtually nonexistent” in my nation. So I figured law enforcement would be an unnecessary burden on the taxpayer and a violation of civil rights.

My headcanon about the negative number is that some people in my country support a policy of authoritarian anarchy. That is, the state exists purely to cause as much chaos as possible. (Not to be confused with anarcho-authoritarianism, in which the citizens collectively enforce brutal totalitarian policies without the influence of hierarchies)

Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris

Im going to be defiant and stay in Refugia as hermit King :3 xD

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis

Subadent wrote:Im going to be defiant and stay in Refugia as hermit King :3 xD

Understandable, but you're awesome and probably could continue being awesome in another place :P

Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Understandable, but you're awesome and probably could continue being awesome in another place :P

Ill make another region Called Refugia 2 Electric Boogaloo

Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Virandon, Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Licatia, Macleaviopia, The Independant State Of Stonerton

Subadent wrote:Ill make another region Called Refugia 2 Electric Boogaloo

I’d honestly be happy to join Refugia 2. This place has been my home since I started playing NS, and at the very least I’d like to be in a region with familiar faces.

Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis, Licatia, Macleaviopia, The Independant State Of Stonerton

Uwusberg wrote:I’d honestly be happy to join Refugia 2. This place has been my home since I started playing NS, and at the very least I’d like to be in a region with familiar faces.

I guess Refugia the sequel time everyone

Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis, Licatia

Post self-deleted by Subadent.

If youd like to join :dab: send me a tg

Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Licatia

Post self-deleted by Refuge Isle.

Uwusberg wrote:I’d honestly be happy to join Refugia 2. This place has been my home since I started playing NS, and at the very least I’d like to be in a region with familiar faces.

If it helps, Em and I will be in Karma. It's a a bit more busy than we're used to, but it has a friendly feel, generally =)

Melenavenia

Im now going to construct the region, Any name suggestions that include Refugia?

Melenavenia

Subadent wrote:Im now going to construct the region, Any name suggestions that include Refugia?

New Refugia?

Subadent

Melenavenia wrote:New Refugia?

boom already a winner x3

Melenavenia

Refuge Isle id Like your permission to use the flag of Refugia?

Melenavenia

Rufugia Incarnate

Melenavenia

Subadent wrote:Refuge Isle id Like your permission to use the flag of Refugia?

Strictly speaking, you are also free to remain here if you want to use the region for some great adventure.

Subadent, Melenavenia

Refuge Isle wrote:Strictly speaking, you are also free to remain here if you want to use the region for some great adventure.

So we are free to continue to use the Refugia Region

Refuge Isle

Subadent wrote:boom already a winner x3

Sorry for the delay, my computer is lagging.

Melenavenia

If there's actual interest in it? Sure. I've been having a hard time rallying anyone for a serious conversation lately, and my health isn't great, so giving people pointers to friendly regions was better in my view than them CTEing. But if you would rather use the infrastructure here than move, I'm obviously not going to crush your dreams. That's not what I'm about.

Huri De Wintre, Subadent, Melenavenia, Northeastern Arrakis

Refuge Isle wrote:If there's actual interest in it? Sure. I've been having a hard time rallying anyone for a serious conversation lately, and my health isn't great, so giving people pointers to friendly regions was better in my view than them CTEing. But if you would rather use the infrastructure here than move, I'm obviously not going to crush your dreams. That's not what I'm about.

we know refuge and we care about yo health sis

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

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