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Region: Refugia

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Refuge Isle wrote:I would like to ask both of your what you plan to accomplish under the following term as Councillor and what Foreign Affairs actions you would like to take.

I think that, in my previous term as FA Councillor, we've set up a lot of things that can pay off within the next month or two. After establishing a consulate with The East Pacific, we're already to a point where we qualify to become an embassy, but we have to wait until mid-November to initiate that process.

I'd also aim to clean up our embassy list a bit, closing a few of the unnecessary ones that either wanted us as embassy collections (The Embassy) or liked us in a meme fashion (Australialia). I also realised that a lot of our early success in FA as a region was when we focused on growing friendships with other regions similar to us in size and aims, like Conifer and New West Indies. I've started establishing a relationship with Grace Of Gaia, which I hope to turn into an embassy after elections are over, and have a list of some others I'll work on at that point.

Overall, I think that we can have an extremely productive upcoming term, and I look forward to the idea of seeing a new level of friendship develop between Refugia and the outside world ^-^

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria, Junitaki-Cho, Pedesko, Dia Hedera, Coalition Of Aspa

“Picture it: Violetists wed to atheists, Faithologists in marital bliss with devout members of Atheism. A diverse nation in harmony, if only for the sake of their grandkids.”

I'm never going to change my official faith's name, it's too funny.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:“Picture it: Violetists wed to atheists, Faithologists in marital bliss with devout members of Atheism. A diverse nation in harmony, if only for the sake of their grandkids.”

I'm never going to change my official faith's name, it's too funny.

atheist and atheist... which one is an atheist? :D

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Well, Atheism is my country's faith, because the government is strictly secular. I haven't the slightest clue what they practice though.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Sylh Alanor wrote:Everyone remember to endorse everyone else to qualify for the upcoming card events! We've done a really good job and we're getting stronger as a region, but we can always go a little further ^-^

Out of curiosity, what are the card events? And if we all endorse each other, won't the WA Delegate change? I remember something like that happening in the region before.

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Teinazheria, Pedesko

Received a "Oaks 88" card with the motto "Refuge" on it, is that a familiar name I hear?

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:Out of curiosity, what are the card events? And if we all endorse each other, won't the WA Delegate change? I remember something like that happening in the region before.

The card events are listed in the dispatch below. And if every WA nation in Refugia endorsed every other one, we'd have a tie, that's true. But most likely there are people who won't do that. So we just want to get the average endorsements up.

We've already gone from an average of 2 on the lowest endorsed nations to 8 :)

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Teinazheria wrote:Received a "Oaks 88" card with the motto "Refuge" on it, is that a familiar name I hear?

Yes, the Oaks are one of my puppet series :3

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

I need help electing a government for Deltina. Is there a way to make an interactive election that y'all can vote in, even if it's just a poll with random names?

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Deltina wrote:I need help electing a government for Deltina. Is there a way to make an interactive election that y'all can vote in, even if it's just a poll with random names?

If you want to make a strawpoll and link it in the RMB, I'm sure you'll get votes :)

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria, Deltina

Refuge Isle, I would like to know why you remove the tag "liberal" from Refugia, i've always thought that it fitted the region perfectly ?

Is it linked to the many new members ?

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Michelland wrote:Refuge Isle, I would like to know why you remove the tag "liberal" from Refugia, i've always thought that it fitted the region perfectly ?

Is it linked to the many new members ?

Hmm, I can put it back. I'm not 100% sure what the tags should be when it regards politics, though, and we don't have any official tag policies. The new members of course are welcome and always will be.

I'm removing [Independent], though, because that refers to raiding+defending regional alignment.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Sylh Alanor wrote:If you want to make a strawpoll and link it in the RMB, I'm sure you'll get votes :)

Thanks for the idea.

This is the first official Presidential Election for Deltina. Other elections will start up in the next few days/weeks.

This election will last 2 weeks. Please vote if you see this! https://www.strawpoll.me/21107265

Go off of your personal opinions, or what you think would fit best.

Deltina Description: Civil Rights Lovefest

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Post self-deleted by Deltina.

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:And if we all endorse each other, won't the WA Delegate change? I remember something like that happening in the region before.

Yes, that is why if the nations of this region collectively want Sylh Alanor to remain the WA delegate, you all must be careful to not over-endorse other nations over Sylh Alanor. Also, when that happened when we were both here it was because someone used bots/puppets to endorse the second most endorsed nation (myself) to more endorsements than Sylh Alanor had.

Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Just lost my 2% income equality, sad.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Asladiesta wrote:Just lost my 2% income equality, sad.

:(

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Nova Nova Hibernia

Asladiesta wrote:Just lost my 2% income equality, sad.

still ahead though, that was and still is awesome.

New Camelot Of Avalonia, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

To catch back up with welcomes, witness this divinely-inspired message:

Welcome to Loterdam, Coalition Of Aspa, Asladiesta, Fibbledornk, Seadasca Sol, and Dumbasser! I know a couple of you have already joined us in the discord, but I wanted to give you a formal and warm welcome 💚 If you have any questions about how Refugia or Nationstates as a whole works, please don't be afraid to ask anything, everyone here is super nice.

For those of you who haven't already, please consider joining the World Assembly and becoming a Member State of Refugia! By becoming a member state, you qualify to get onto our regional map and can vote in our elections and on referendums. But the most important thing is that you feel comfortable and safe here.

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Is there a reason the region changed a tag from "Independent" to "Liberal"?

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Lambflakitobia wrote:Is there a reason the region changed a tag from "Independent" to "Liberal"?

Liberal has been a tag for this region since it was founded. There's an early wayback snapshot displaying such.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190527204511/https://www.nationstates.net/region=refugia

I was going to remove it to change it up, but this was considered: Controversial.

Regarding the Independent tag, I will quote myself from seven posts up.

Refuge Isle wrote:I'm removing [Independent], though, because that refers to raiding+defending regional alignment.

Refugia is neutral on gp issues. The tags should reflect that stance.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Teinazheria, Nova Nova Hibernia

Ahh ok fair enough, makes sense, I didn't see your message.

Edit: Looking back it seems somehow I missed a lot of messages. I shall inform the Grand Chairperson's PA that they need to up their game.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Teinazheria

Woah I got the best Insurance in the region

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Sunniside, Nova Nova Hibernia

Deltina wrote:Woah I got the best Insurance in the region

I would've thought that for that to be the case you'd have to be in the top 1% worldwide--but apparently not. Refugia seems very lacking in the insurance industry.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Do you ever just misclick and accidentally junk a trading card you wanted to keep?

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko, Deltina

Melenavenia wrote:I would've thought that for that to be the case you'd have to be in the top 1% worldwide--but apparently not. Refugia seems very lacking in the insurance industry.

Despite being welcoming to all types of nations, I've found that we tend to attract a very specific group xD

We're low industry, high environment and personal liberties.

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Deltina, Dia Hedera

Sylh Alanor wrote:We're low industry, high environment and personal liberties.

Two industries that we seem to be good at are Information Technology and Book Publishing. This seems to mean that Refugia, as a whole, is technologically interconnected and full of scholarly/bookworm individuals.

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Melenavenia wrote:Two industries that we seem to be good at are Information Technology and Book Publishing. This seems to mean that Refugia, as a whole, is technologically interconnected and full of scholarly/bookworm individuals.

It's the high usage of simplebots and ancient tomes.

Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Post self-deleted by Michelland.

Howdy folkens. As you may have seen, The North Crystal was just banned. This was the alt of Crystalsummer, a nation banned from multiple regions due to their actions OOC. We in Refugia do not tolerate harassment of any kind in our community, and will work to ensure that everyone is safe here.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Pedesko, Dia Hedera, Dumbasser

Sylh Alanor wrote:Despite being welcoming to all types of nations, I've found that we tend to attract a very specific group xD

We're a low industry, high environment, and personal liberties.

It might be that that low industry, high environment, and personal liberties countries seek welcoming regions?

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Pedesko wrote:It might be that that low industry, high environment, and personal liberties countries seek welcoming regions?

That seems likely ^-^

Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Greetings treasured humans,

Today is the day of the drawing for the S2 Luna Amore, here are the results:

[spoiler]

Refuge Isle wrote:Luca Today at 11:44

I see 31 nations presently endorsing the delegate. Those are:

1. Vikoland

2. Melenavenia

3. UwUsberg

4. Nekhuser-Ra

5. Kallictora

6. Hannovria

7. Michelland

8. The Sul Hom Laks

9. Wankdeed

10. Elenaraghaenaris

11. Vaastland

12. Junitaki-cho

13. Flohovistan

14. New Filippe

15. Calirdels

16. Kadrinar

17. Narwhal

18. Fulleristan

19. Zuniann

20. Boolie Town

21. Chacapoya

22. Floofybit

23. Lura Enim Omnia

24. Duolian

25. Nova Nova Hibernia

26. Dia Hedera

27. Lambflakitobia

28. Refuge Isle

29. Coalition of Aspa

30. Pedesko

31. Dumbasser

Luca Today at 11:45

I cast roll 1d31

Bebop [BOT] Today at 11:45

Luca, rolling 1d31 - [ 5 ] > 5

Luca Today at 11:45

Kallictora wins, hooray

:tada:

[/spoiler]

As a result Kallictora has been shipped over the card. Big congrats to them.

The next card event is little bit less determined by the random number generator. The legendary S2 card Sciongrad is going to be sent out a week from today to the top ten nations who have given out the most endorsements in Refugia. So all you need to do to win one of those is to look for people in the region to endorse - how easy is that.

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I'm also going to take this time to start taking candidates for the Councillor of Culture, whose responsibilities are defined as orchestrating cultural events and developing the identity of the Regional culture and publishing a regula Regional Eco Report. This term would run from October 21st to Feburary 21st. All member states are allowed to run for this election.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Kallictora, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Nova Nova Hibernia

Only online would a candidate vote for their own opposing candidate...

Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Melenavenia wrote:Only online would a candidate vote for their own opposing candidate...

People are always surprised, and yet I've always done it, lol

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho

Sylh Alanor wrote:People are always surprised, and yet I've always done it, lol

I'm not surprised at all actually. Other online elections for online things such as this often have one of the candidates voting for each one of the others.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Hey everybody, just wanted to go ahead and address my duties as delegate! In lieu of regional support leaning in this direction, and seeing no personal issues with either resolution, I am currently voting for both. If anyone has any questions about either, or wants to discuss details of the votes/decisions further, I'm always happy to see more World Assembly-based discussion in the community ^-^

GA resolution-at-vote: Repeal "World Assembly Trade Rights"

SC resolution-at-vote: Commend Kuriko

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

I'm a bit late on repeal trade rights, I haven't followed that one too closely along the way, but I'm more or less comfortable with how that is going. Obviously I support Commend Kuriko. It's vastly better written than the original resolution and the content has been more or less done up to ignore SecGen issues for the purposes of RP continuity. If it was good enough to be passed the first time, surely a more comprehensive version is acceptable. It would be very odd if I said Kuriko wasn't a commendable figure even though I significantly disagree with some of the political choices she has made along the way.

So, around tomorrow, there's going to be another one coming up called Reducing Disease Vectors.

At the moment I'm leaning majority "meh" :p

The way it defines as "vector" indicates something like a mosquito, flea, or rat. And it certainly seems like what it wants to do is exterminate those for the sake of stopping the spread of disease. With that as the case, I'm moderately concerned about the consequences of taking creatures out of an ecosystem, even if they are typically considered pests or possibly dangerous to sapient inhabitants. But that's also not really what's happening.

Looking through the clauses individually, I get this for effects:

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2. Conduct research

2(a). But not if this isn't a problem for you, help other people instead (optional)

3. Tells a pandemic committee from #53 to provide information to member states (presumably they were doing this already)

4. Requires members contribute to 2's research for free if they know anything

5. Requires nations create government advice for how to deal with assorted plague creatures

6. Non-binding clause to do something with research information (wat)

7. Reminds the audience that the resolution does not impact reducing the threat of plague creatures in ways other than how the resolution does while simultaneously forgetting that the resolution has functionally done nothing in general.

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So ultimately, I just don't think that it does much of anything.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho

Refuge Isle wrote:I'm a bit late on repeal trade rights, I haven't followed that one too closely along the way, but I'm more or less comfortable with how that is going. Obviously I support Commend Kuriko. It's vastly better written than the original resolution and the content has been more or less done up to ignore SecGen issues for the purposes of RP continuity. If it was good enough to be passed the first time, surely a more comprehensive version is acceptable. It would be very odd if I said Kuriko wasn't a commendable figure even though I significantly disagree with some of the political choices she has made along the way.

So, around tomorrow, there's going to be another one coming up called Reducing Disease Vectors.

At the moment I'm leaning majority "meh" :p

The way it defines as "vector" indicates something like a mosquito, flea, or rat. And it certainly seems like what it wants to do is exterminate those for the sake of stopping the spread of disease. With that as the case, I'm moderately concerned about the consequences of taking creatures out of an ecosystem, even if they are typically considered pests or possibly dangerous to sapient inhabitants. But that's also not really what's happening.

Looking through the clauses individually, I get this for effects:

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2. Conduct research

2(a). But not if this isn't a problem for you, help other people instead (optional)

3. Tells a pandemic committee from #53 to provide information to member states (presumably they were doing this already)

4. Requires members contribute to 2's research for free if they know anything

5. Requires nations create government advice for how to deal with assorted plague creatures

6. Non-binding clause to do something with research information (wat)

7. Reminds the audience that the resolution does not impact reducing the threat of plague creatures in ways other than how the resolution does while simultaneously forgetting that the resolution has functionally done nothing in general.

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So ultimately, I just don't think that it does much of anything.

Removing vectors like mosquitos doesn't do much to harming environments, however other potential vectors like rats and such would cause a significant amount of harm to environments. I'm going to have to say a hard no to this one.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Seadasca Sol

Coalition Of Aspa wrote:Removing vectors like mosquitos doesn't do much to harming environments, however other potential vectors like rats and such would cause a significant amount of harm to environments. I'm going to have to say a hard no to this one.

The effect of removing mosquitoes from the environment is unknown but there are signs that point that certain species especially are very important for the environment. As as whole however, we don't understand how mosquitoes exactly fit into the food web and if they were removed they may have unintended consequences. Some mosquitoes though, for example, are very important pollinators on the male side while the female mosquitoes are what we'd consider pests. Obviously, you can't have only male mosquitoes around as they would simply be unable to reproduce. So, basically, what I'm trying to say is that mosquitoes may have a important role to play in the ecosystem.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Coalition Of Aspa

Melenavenia wrote:The effect of removing mosquitoes from the environment is unknown but there are signs that point that certain species especially are very important for the environment. As as whole however, we don't understand how mosquitoes exactly fit into the food web and if they were removed they may have unintended consequences. Some mosquitoes though, for example, are very important pollinators on the male side while the female mosquitoes are what we'd consider pests. Obviously, you can't have only male mosquitoes around as they would simply be unable to reproduce. So, basically, what I'm trying to say is that mosquitoes may have a important role to play in the ecosystem.

So basically just more reason to vote no on getting this passed as we don't know the full effects of everything that would happen if we removed these vectors of transmission. Trying to reduce disease is a noble goal, but if ruining your environment is the consequence, it's not worth it. You're reducing infection rates at the sacrifice of reducing the quality of life for your own citizens, which long term will increase death rates.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Attempting to remove any creature that has the chance of developing a disease and passing it on to humans can also suggest the removal of all creatures, do people not remember bird flu or swine flu? This proposal seems to be a get out of jail free cards for nations and businesses that are destroying eco systems which puts us all at more risk than any disease. As others have said, it's a solid no from me too.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Seadasca Sol, Coalition Of Aspa

Pedesko, Michelland

The Avalonian Government would like to begin the process of going over the agenda and deciding official policy of the League of the Democratic Left. The first agenda point is Neutrality and Demilitarisation. The Avalonian Government would like to propose a policy of encouraging policies of neutrality and demilitarization by member states, but not requiring such. This will ensure that countries may still keep defensive militaries, but that the league will not be a place for the proliferation of military conflicts.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305947

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

New Camelot Of Avalonia wrote:Pedesko, Michelland

The Avalonian Government would like to begin the process of going over the agenda and deciding official policy of the League of the Democratic Left. The first agenda point is Neutrality and Demilitarisation. The Avalonian Government would like to propose a policy of encouraging policies of neutrality and demilitarization by member states, but not requiring such. This will ensure that countries may still keep defensive militaries, but that the league will not be a place for the proliferation of military conflicts.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1305947

I agree with your proposal

Just a question: should we communicate by RMB posts or telegrams or others means ?

New Camelot Of Avalonia, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Michelland wrote:I agree with your proposal

Just a question: should we communicate by RMB posts or telegrams or others means ?

Whatever is easiest, we can telegram what we think, and then post the decisions?

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Pedesko

New Camelot Of Avalonia wrote:Whatever is easiest, we can telegram what we think, and then post the decisions?

OK I also think it would work better that way

New Camelot Of Avalonia, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Okidokie, the election for foreign affairs is concluded. Sylh Alanor is re-elected, hooray!

I received an amazing zero candidates for culture, so I will be acting-culture until such time as the universe graces us with the majesty of another.

My first act will be messing up the regional flag, hooray.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Refuge Isle wrote:Okidokie, the election for foreign affairs is concluded. Sylh Alanor is re-elected, hooray!

I received an amazing zero candidates for culture, so I will be acting-culture until such time as the universe graces us with the majesty of another.

My first act will be messing up the regional flag, hooray.

How can I run for a regional position? I'm considering running for Councilor of Internal Affairs.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris

Flohovistan wrote:How can I run for a regional position? I'm considering running for Councilor of Internal Affairs.

Great!

The next election is going to be next week. So on the 22nd of this month, I'm going to taking candidates over a 48 hour period. Any member state can run for office by announcing their candidacy in the RMB.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Refuge Isle wrote:Great!

The next election is going to be next week. So on the 22nd of this month, I'm going to taking candidates over a 48 hour period. Any member state can run for office by announcing their candidacy in the RMB.

All right. Nice.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris

Good luck, Flohovistan ^-^

Also, sorry for not replying earlier to the discussion over the next GA proposal going to vote. I really liked reading all of it though, and as long as everyone's on the same page, I think we can do an early vote against.

Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

golden

Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

I've sent in map file updates to feature Boolie Town and Dia Hedera. Please let me know if you spot any errors.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1287372

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Refuge Isle wrote:-snip-

Only now with the inclusion of Dia Hedera do I realize how empty the right side of the map was.

Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Howdy.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Ratlantis Imperium wrote:Howdy.

Hey there.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Yesterday I made another nation to see if I could get any top 1%s. I do 5 issues and come back the next day

2 5%s

14 10%s

Fourteen

😂

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Ratlantis Imperium wrote:Howdy.

Welcome to Refugia, comrade.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Pedesko

The Talking Point:

Pandemics are over and done with by the time it takes to pass the nation's stringent border security.

To which Anne-Marie Juliette replies: "That's what she said." In an afterthought, she adds: "All I really care about is the health of our citizens."

Bananas Ingested Per Day: 5.44 -> 5.66 +4.0%

We really should have a national plant rather than national animal--ours would be bananas.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

TW: Pedophilia, mentions of sex

I just received an issue, "Some Body to Love", in which a teen pop star sold her virginity to the highest bidder in celebration of "becoming legal", the issue provided three options, teach women that prostitution=lack of respect for one's body, outlaw prostitution, or limit what one can charge for prostitution. There was no option to make a law prohibiting a teenager from engaging in sexual acts with a legal adult, nor was there an option to prohibit minors from engaging in or with the sex market.

In short, the issue gave me the option to condemn prostitution, control the market of sexual service, or outlaw prostitution. The problem I have with it is that the pop star selling her virginity was a minor, meaning that she was exploited by society. A teenager cannot give consent to an adult.

The problem with the issue is the fact that idols have a significant influence on society. She was normalizing the sexual exploitation of minors, yet I was not able to outlaw that exploitation.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan

Those typos bothered me way too much for me to ignore them.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:-snip-

I get what you're saying but I do have to point out that this teen pop star sold her virginity to the highest bidder in celebration of "becoming legal". This seems to mean that they just reached the age of consent but are still of teen age (ex: 18 years old). So yes, icky but technically still a consenting "adult" despite being a teen.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Melenavenia wrote:I get what you're saying but I do have to point out that this teen pop star sold her virginity to the highest bidder in celebration of "becoming legal". This seems to mean that they just reached the age of consent but are still of teen age (ex: 18 years old). So yes, icky but technically still a consenting "adult" despite being a teen.

In a lot of countries, teens can give sexual consent to an adult if they have sexual majority (15 in France for example) but they have to get their parent's agreement.

Correct me if I'm wrong

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Michelland wrote:In a lot of countries, teens can give sexual consent to an adult if they have sexual majority (15 in France for example) but they have to get their parent's agreement.

Correct me if I'm wrong

I know the age of consent is different in different countries. However, since a lot of the issues on this site seem to come from an American perspective I used the widespread American age of consent (18 years old).

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Melenavenia wrote:I know the age of consent is different in different countries. However, since a lot of the issues on this site seem to come from an American perspective I used the widespread American age of consent (18 years old).

I honestly forgot that it was 18 in eleven states in the US, but because the issue specifically said "teenage pop star", I assumed that they meant 16 (the age of sexual consent between an adult and a minor in most circumstances in 34 states). In the remaining six states it's 17.

In the US the age of sexual consent between minors can be between 11 and 16 (depending on the state), as long as the age gap doesn't exceed 3 years. But, the loophole is that a 15-17-year-old could legally have sex with an 18-year-old.

In the US, you must be 18 if you want to sell/provide sexual services. (this part isn't commonly known)

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:In the US, you must be 18 if you want to sell/provide sexual services. (this part isn't commonly known)

The author of that issue probably was thinking of 18 years old as well so that's why the teen pop star was able to get away with prostituting themselves. Also my reasoning for saying 18 years old when it varies by state by state is that I believe that is the oldest age of consent in the US nationwide.

Refuge Isle, Uwusberg, Flohovistan

My main problems with the issue were that it didn't specify what age exactly the "teenage pop star" was (she could be anywhere between 13 and 17, or if the wording was horrid: 18) and that all the options either condemned prostitution or limited the price one can charge for it.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:My main problems with the issue were that it didn't specify what age exactly the "teenage pop star" was (she could be anywhere between 13 and 17, or if the wording was horrid: 18) and that all the options either condemned prostitution or limited the price one can charge for it.

Yeah, unfortunately I don't believe NS is specific enough to where you can know things like that. It'd be great actually if you set your own age for things like that but perhaps that is too in-depth for the issues of this game. I understand your concerns about the teen pop star now and your worry that they might be at the low end of teenage years.

Refuge Isle, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Elenaraghaenaris wrote:My main problems with the issue were that it didn't specify what age exactly the "teenage pop star" was (she could be anywhere between 13 and 17, or if the wording was horrid: 18) and that all the options either condemned prostitution or limited the price one can charge for it.

Sometimes an issue leaves you no choice but "Dismiss."

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Fulleristan

Lower French Gregballs wrote:Sometimes an issue leaves you no choice but "Dismiss."

I think one of the biggest problem of the game is that each time you lower your civil rights, you increase your social conservatism which doesn't make sense when you do something like forcing universities to have bathrooms for transgenders.

And also what the game considers as civil rights, I saw that allowing people to take organs from someon's corpse without their consent or legalizing abortion decreased them, so for me it doesn't make any sense because alive people' rights should be prioritized over those of dead people and unborn babies in the census.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

One thing I do want to add, the abortion issue raises civil rights both if banned or legalized. There was a bit of a thing about it.

And the organ issue does pay into religious liberties. There are some religions that do not allow organs to be removed from the body upon death, or even some that forbid it in life.

But I agree that it can feel very arbitrary at times.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Michelland wrote:I think one of the biggest problem of the game is that each time you lower your civil rights, you increase your social conservatism which doesn't make sense when you do something like forcing universities to have bathrooms for transgenders.

Just a heads up, the proper convention would be "[...]bathrooms for transgender people," or something to that effect. Referring to groups as "the gays," "the transgenders," etc. can come off as being a bit dehumanizing, and even worse, is usually grammatically incorrect.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

In about 11 hours (but possibly at major), we're going to have a Security Council vote called Condemn Northern Borland. I'm going to be recommending a vote against.

This condemnation reads like a forum posts that's going through a list of observations that do not have any real weight. There's no narrative of case being made that supports a condemnation, it is simply a list of notes about the nation for trivia purposes. You can see that reasonably clearly in this section in particular:

"AWARE that this Northern Borlandian upper class has become so profitable as to distort World Census rankings on industry, with support from a government that spends the entire national budget on subsidising it: the nation currently ranks in the top sixty worldwide for all sixteen major industries other than book publishing (250th), information technology (691st), arms manufacturing (1,077th) and trout fishing (4,151st), with the manufacturing industry as a whole the 81st-largest in the world;"

I'm not opposed to stats C&Cs on principle, although the standards for a stats-based condemnation/commendation are astronomical. But basically I like to view SC resolutions as things that tell a good story. Something that builds the idea of what a nation does or is and whether or not it's good or evil. This condemnation does not provide that, it's just like reading the nation's auto-generated text on its front page. So, should this nation be condemned to recognise their years of diligent issue-answering, I think it should be another resolution that does it.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho

Welcome Glizzie, Salsoor, Ard Advenap, Lower French Gregballs, Canadas Toronto, The Itsunam Islands, Pyzhanyan, Deacland, Ratlantis Imperium, and Polagria! If you have any questions about Refugia or Nationstates as a whole, please feel safe asking, everyone here is super nice and helpful ^-^

Also, if you haven't already, please consider signing up for the World Assembly and becoming a member state! If you do, you can apply to be on our regional map and also vote in all of our regional elections and on our referendums. But overall, we want you to feel safe and comfortable while you're here.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Junitaki-Cho wrote:Just a heads up, the proper convention would be "[...]bathrooms for transgender people," or something to that effect. Referring to groups as "the gays," "the transgenders," etc. can come off as being a bit dehumanizing, and even worse, is usually grammatically incorrect.

Yeah sorry I should have put "for transgender people", English is not my first language so I did not know that it was not gramatically correct or dehumanizing.

I did not mean to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Pedesko

Open question to Refuge Isle, if a nation is unable to hit the targeted eco goals by the deadline what will be the repercussion, and should that be mentioned in your new draft RRS policy dispatch?

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Lambflakitobia wrote: hit the targeted eco goals

What are The eco goals?

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Nova Nova Hibernia

Lambflakitobia wrote:Open question to Refuge Isle, if a nation is unable to hit the targeted eco goals by the deadline what will be the repercussion, and should that be mentioned in your new draft RRS policy dispatch?

The goals are for the regional average as a whole, there aren't mandates for individual nations. They are largely In Character laws that reflect the region's interests.

There are no repercussions for anyone's stat choices, of course.

All of the regional law is here, so if it isn't here, it's not a rule: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1200707

Also since the question was targeted at me specifically, it might be productive to mention that while I did write the original statutes in April of last year, the regional law is written by member states and passed as referendums, including the section about eco goals. If you're referring to this draft that I'm working on, you will note that law is not being changed, it is adding categories to the RRS and reorganising council responsibilities into subsections. I do not intend to add new legislation in that proposal.

Pedesko wrote:What are The eco goals?

"RRS 11. The Region defines the goals and expectations in it Members' conduct and operations in the following ways

a. Reach an average Environmental Beauty score of 1,900 on or before December 31, 2020, and maintained thereafter.

b. Reach an average Eco-Friendliness score of 5,000 on or before December 31, 2020, and maintained thereafter."

As it turns out, averages are rather difficult to maintain when 50 new nations join, alas.

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Duolian, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

I'm running for Councilor of Internal Affairs. If you want to know why you should vote for me, read the corresponding factbook on my nation page.

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia

Flohovistan wrote:I'm running for Councilor of Internal Affairs. If you want to know why you should vote for me, read the corresponding factbook on my nation page.

Getting a jump on it! Accepted.

For everyone else as well, I'll be accepting candidates for Councillor of the Interior, whose responsibilities are defined as facilitation of Regional engagement through communication with and polling of Member States and residents. Furthermore, the Councillor is responsible for broadcasting announcements via telegram and ensuring an amicable discussion environment.

This position runs from Oct 28 - Feb 28 of next year. And candidates will be accepted now through October 24th.

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Refuge Isle wrote:

As it turns out, averages are rather difficult to maintain when 50 new nations join, alas.

We should march into all these new nations and start planting tree labyrinths immediately. We'll have "lost in the wilderness" as everyone's highest death rate in no time.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Ahhh ok, I misunderstood and thought it was per-nation not a region wide average. It is a worthwhile goal and one I'll do my best to help with it.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

Lambflakitobia wrote:Ahhh ok, I misunderstood and thought it was per-nation not a region wide average. It is a worthwhile goal and one I'll do my best to help with it.

We'll never place barriers to keep people from being here with us if this is where they want to be ❤️

Barring, you know, them being actively dangerous to others of course.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Jasimin, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Lambflakitobia, Michelland, Flohovistan

Hii

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Lambflakitobia, Michelland, Flohovistan

Samudera wrote:Hii

Hi!

Samudera, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Pedesko wrote:Hi!

Welcome to Refugia.

Lower French Gregballs, Samudera, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris

Samudera wrote:Hii

Samuuuu it's so sweet that you moved your main here! Wow, Refugia is actually getting really impressive lately 😅

Lower French Gregballs, Samudera, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Sylh Alanor wrote:Wow, Refugia is actually getting really impressive lately 😅

Who's writing the recruitment telegrams?

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Nova Nova Hibernia

Samudera wrote:Hii

Sylh Alanor wrote:Samuuuu it's so sweet that you moved your main here! Wow, Refugia is actually getting really impressive lately 😅

Samu and Saka moving their mains here has made my entire year.

Very happy and grateful for everyone

Lower French Gregballs, Samudera, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho

This nation is not my main one, but I resigned my "main" one from the WA and joined this one to make it my "main" after joining here. This allows me to keep my old friends in my old region without causing too much confusion, while focusing on this place, which I have now chosen as my second "home." I look forward to the week-of-waiting to pass so I can become a full-fledged member.

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan

The township of Junitaki-Cho:

Supportive of Refugia's commitment to fair and democratic regional governance;

Recognizing the importance of the Refugia Revised Statutes in enabling international collaboration and an equitable balance of authority;

However concerned by a lack of legal clarity and continued contradictory statements from acting officials on electoral process;

Steadfast in its dedication to regional ideals and improvements;

Hereby invokes RRS 4 and calls for a seconding Member State to bring the following proposal to a vote.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1447093

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

"The small, barren, and uninhabited island of Hanshedrik is claimed by both Elenaraghaenaris and Skandilund, and for years both sides have playfully vied for its control. New satellite images have shown that the Skandilundian flag has been planted on Hanshedrik, along with a gift of danishes. As you have no other plans today, you have called for a meeting to finally solve the dispute once and for all."

I love the issues based on real life. This one is referring to the Whisky War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Junitaki-Cho wrote:The township of Junitaki-Cho:

Supportive of Refugia's commitment to fair and democratic regional governance;

Recognizing the importance of the Refugia Revised Statutes in enabling international collaboration and an equitable balance of authority;

However concerned by a lack of legal clarity and continued contradictory statements from acting officials on electoral process;

Steadfast in its dedication to regional ideals and improvements;

Hereby invokes RRS 4 and calls for a seconding Member State to bring the following proposal to a vote.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1447093

Seconded!

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho

(I’m on mobile and initially hit the incorrect button.)

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Pedesko wrote:Who's writing the recruitment telegrams?

I missed this when it came up the first time, sorry. Em wrote the original and I wrote most of the one that's being used now. Sometimes we take turns sending them out

Lower French Gregballs, Samudera, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

boop

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Narwhal wrote:boop

boop

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

Pedesko wrote:boop

Who put the boop in the loli-poli-boop-shoop?

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Pedesko

Narwhal wrote:boop

whaddaya mean, boop?

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Pedesko

Flohovistan wrote:whaddaya mean, boop?

Well obviously they mean boop.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan

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