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Region: Refugia
This sounds quite fun!
Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Laisou, Lamberto
Oh my word, amazing. Thank you for this update. Your dispatch is now the 10th trending.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Laisou, Bellerre, Lamberto
And who, might I ask, is in first?
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Laisou, Lamberto
That sounds like fun as long as it's on a weekend, who knows what school will throw at me this week. Jk, I only have 2 projects for the next couple of weeks(if you don't count the DBQ I have to do tonight, my WHAP teachers' nice like that).
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Pedesko, Laisou
I am officially a democracy again!
Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Cadenzana, Bellerre, Tre Bia Land
Here you go! Here is the November Issue of The Monthly Tabloid Newsletter! Don't forget to Upvote!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1469228
Thanks for sending a diplomat!
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Mediumville, Laisou
Respect your view but it is not the prevailing one amongst larger regions. More condensed lists of embassies generally signify that the region is discerning about who it establishes an embassy with - and suggests that they are more likely to make a sincere effort to build and maintain strong relationships with those they do hold embassies with. Closing an embassy with an inactive region means that the region can refocus its foreign affairs on the regions who reciprocate our efforts and/or gives us additional capacity to open new embassies with regions that might benefit us socially and politically.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Tre Bia Land
Heya folks.
By popular request, the World Assembly Development Program for cards is back up and running for December, check it out:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1444682
Edit: Slightly unrelated, but whoever is the first Refugi to make a complete Season 3 Refugia Nations collection will get a free Season 3 Testlandia from me. That's a standing offer, as I will not be making that collection in the coming season.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Cadenzana, Julance
I just endorsed everyone in Refugia.
Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Bellerre, Tre Bia Land
Im exciteddddddddd!!!! Also how are yall? Hows ya days? Were gettin into holiday season nowadays :333 Eeeee Im excited!! Anyway have a great day folks ^-^
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Pedesko, Bellerre, Tre Bia Land
I'm tired but good. Happy tired you could venture. I'm absolutely vibing with the Christmas spirit already. You have a great one too!
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Indimu, Tre Bia Land
Just an announcement on the GA vote: Seeing the overwhelming amount of support this proposal has received from Refugi, plus the counterarguments given in the RMB when we discussed it, I've changed my vote to For. My previous against vote was shaky anyway and mostly based on some of Cretox's word choice habits :P
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Bellerre
Welcome Melotzeli, Golialdwith, Isle Aurelia, Onaflz, Girls And The Gays, Tre Bia Land, Julance, Min Ruma, Lamberto, Browand, and Bipitybopity to Refugia! If you have any questions about how Nationstates or Refugia works, please feel free to ask either here or in our official discord server (linked at the top of the region page) ^-^ everyone here is super nice and helpful.
If you haven't already, please consider signing up for the World Assembly. If you become a WA nation, you'll be a Member State in Refugia, which will let you apply to be on our regional map and vote in our elections. But what's most important is that you just do what makes you feel comfortable. If all you're feeling up to at the moment is chilling and chatting with us while answering issues, that's totally cool.
Chacapoya, Onaflz, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Nova Nova Hibernia, Bellerre, Girls And The Gays, Tre Bia Land, Julance
Hey folks, the 2020 Refuge Census is concluded, I've placed the results in a handy and compact dispatch below for your viewing pleasure. Thanks to everyone for helping to fill one out, I got a fantastic 40 responses back from you all!
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1471200
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Cadenzana, Ambassador Bele Levy Epies, Bellerre
This is wonderful <3 thank you everyone who participated in the census this year.
I have a couple things to point out real quick. First up, we have another embassy proposal coming up in a couple hours once the current poll ends. This one is to open an embassy with Spiritus. Read my advice below, and vote once the poll is up! https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1471025
Second is a discussion for Repeal: "Protecting Sites of Religious Significance":
Proposal: (https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=honeydewistania_1606802638)
Thread: (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=494438)
I think this is pretty straightforward. Honeydew addresses all the problems stated in the original thread for Protecting Sites of Religious Significance, including the arguments that we discussed in this RMB. We didn't vote for the original and I'd like to see it repealed due to how absolutely exploitable and full of holes it is.
If anyone has any thoughts about this, the census, or the embassy advice, please let us know ^-^
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Cadenzana, Bellerre
It would be weird if I didn't support this repeal since I've also written a proposal to replace the original legislation: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=494935
No matter what, GAR#522 functionally classifies every church and the grave of every religious practitioner as something similar to a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Depending on how someone's nation is, this could be a substantial percentage of an entire country. I don't agree with everything in the repeal, and I also agree with the premise of the original legislation, but I feel there's a strong enough case to be made for removing 522 and replacing it with something more focused.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Bellerre
Frankly, I wouldn't even need to read the repeal (even though everyone should and it should still have merit on its own, don't get me wrong), because its a safe assumption that Luca's version will be much better than the original. :P
But yeah, I can see a haphazard definition for religiously significant sites turning into a mess. Full support of the repeal.
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Flohovistan
Aaaaamazing
I love Refuge
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Michelland, Flohovistan, Pedesko, Bellerre
I joined right at the end of 2019 so I got to put myself as part of the older minority despite 99% of my time in Refugia being in 2020. 😎
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg, Flohovistan
Hey everyone, I mentioned a few days ago that I might set up an among us game night for Refugians. About how many of you would want to join tomorrow night? (we can pick a time based on when the most people are available)
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Pedesko
I would love to, as would my better half! We would be pretty flexible with timing as well!
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
I'd be interested. It'd be fun to brutally murder my fellow region mates in a game of Among Us. Assuming they won't do it first that is...
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Flohovistan
It is gonna be on sight my friend.
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Cadenzana
Post self-deleted by Chacapoya.
Yes, I'm available at around 4:00 est.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
Well, my secularism rate dropped for the first time in several months by 0.2 points or something like that... Sad.
Michelland
Post self-deleted by Junitaki-Cho.
Catching up on recent stuff: strongly support the current religious site repeal, for reasons that we've already stressed here and on the forums. Also in support of the embassy with Spiritus. I don't know the region well, but they seem nice and Salax has always been friendly.
It looks like the next GA proposal likely to reach quorum is Repeal: Rights of the Employed, which I have very mixed feelings about.
Proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=cretox_state_1607062375
Forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=495070
Target: https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=491/council=1
Target forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=484456
This is a weird one because rather than repealing and replacing, the replacement has already passed and become GAR#527 [https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolution/id=527/council=1]. I didn't know you could do that. So this repeal rests largely on the subtle differences between GAR#491 and GAR#527, which the repeal hits on two main points:
- The definition of "worker": It seems to have been a point of contention whether #491 defines "workers" broadly enough, specifically with regard to subcontractors and the gig economy. I'm not confident evaluating either #491's straightforward definition or #527's ridiculously wordy one, but the texts are linked above.
- The provisions regarding breastfeeding. Judging from the forum thread (which veers into a bunch of OoC bigoted nonsense, so proceed with caution), this was the main reason #491 was such a close vote. It walks a very strange line through this issue: women must prove to their employers that they're unable to avoid having to breastfeed during the work day, which seems kind of invasive and leaves room for the employer to act in bad faith, but it also mandates that employers who employ breastfeeding women must have a dedicated private space for the sole purpose of breastfeeding, which seems a bit much and does appear to discourage hiring women.
The rest of the repeal's text is less interesting. It questions the inclusion of adoption as a qualifying cause for parental leave, even though adoption is covered by pseudo-replacement #527 (as it should be), including the baffling clause of "Adding that this mandate incentivizes business-minded governments to unduly burden adoption of older children to the detriment of adoptees, adopting families, and foster care systems," which I can't make sense of at all. The last section observes, reasonably, that there's some considerable overlap between #491 and older human rights legislation, making some of its clauses less necessary.
I feel it's important to note that GenSec is currently alleging a mild honest mistake for the following clause:
It's being suggested on the grounds that #491 only requires these spaces for businesses with breastfeeding employees, not as a general mandate for all businesses. I think it's a small quibble, but this proposal may be withdrawn and re-lodged.
I've also observed a second potential violation, though I haven't brought it up on the forums. Take a look at the following comparison from the repeal:
This seems to be a misrepresentation of the parental leave outlined in #491, seen below (emphasis mine):
If I were feeling bold, I might even argue that this is more than an honest mistake as it contains a second misdirection: #527, which was written by the same author as the repeal, does compensate paid leave, but this leave does not pay out their full wage:
I'd like to hear some other thoughts on this, because it's really a double-edged repeal in the best case.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
You're smart.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho
Agree with both sentiments. Salaxalans has never been anything but friendly to me. I've talked to some other people their independently, but any weirdness there I attribute entirely to my own fault.
As long as the text of a resolution does not block further legislation on the subject, and so long as the new legislation is not a duplication or a contradiction, it's fine. A good example is how there was a ban on the forced sterilisation of minors, which was then followed up by a more encompassing ban on forced sterilisation in general.
For this topic, the area is a little over my interest level to dissect. But I think the way it works in this case is because definitions are set according to the resolution they're in. Those definitions don't extend past the resolution. So you can define the same term in slightly different ways and as long as the actual legal mandates do not cross wires, there's room if it's different enough.
It does not pay out their full wage, no, but the claim is that the leave is unpaid, which it observably isn't. Good find.
It's up to you, but I would raise those concerns in the thread. It looks to me as misrepresenting the target.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho
Thank you for posting this and starting the discussion. I'm also kind of in the boat of "this doesn't really align with my interests enough for me to have a lot of strong opinions", so I wasn't looking forward to having to initiate the conversation.
You make a lot of really good points. I appreciate that you have strong thoughts on this, because it helps me to better understand a lot of this text that is otherwise very dry to me. You've given me a much more solid idea about what's going on. I especially appreciate you finding the legality challenge point. I think bringing that up in the thread is a great idea, especially right now since the proposal was pulled for corrections.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho
Er... does this mean today? Or tommorow? I hate timezones.
Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, New Flohovistan
In the interest of transparency, Cretox altered the text to address the legality and accuracy concerns detailed above, which definitely make me more interested in a tentative "for" vote if it reaches quorum. It's still kind of a messy legislative situation and I have some reservations about #527 being the final replacement for reasons recently discussed here, but the implications of #491's breastfeeding provisions and the amount of worker's rights precedent in the WA makes me think it's a net positive repeal.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Indimu, Bellerre
Post self-deleted by Pedesko.
When is the among us game?
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
Sorry for being late on the Among Us game, I can make a lobby right now. Itll be on mobile (not sure if you can connect with a PC) and Ill edit this post with the code as soon as I get it
Edit: code is RZLICF. Feel free to join any time tonight (I forgot to announce a time in advance, so I'll just keep it open as long as people are playing) and you're welcome to invite someone from outside as long as the lobby isn't full
Edit #2: the server was kicked for inactivity since we don't have enough people online right now. Again, my fault for not announcing a time. If we get enough people online at the same time tonight, I'll make another lobby. otherwise, we can try again another time
(hopefully) final edit: new code is USLEMF
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Michelland, Junitaki-Cho, Namkanda-
I missed it! Could I make a new lobby later today?
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg
I didn't realize it was happening :(
Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg, Flohovistan
Apologies to those who missed it. Again, its nobodys fault but mine. Feel free to make a new lobby if you want, let us know here and in the discord if you do.
Sylh Alanor, Flohovistan
New lobby! code: gitoof
edit: new code ykictq
Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg
Hello there y'all's. I am New Flohovistan. My original nation (Flohovistan) was getting a bit too conservative for my tastes, and wasn't getting any more liberal, so I decided to create a new nation. This will be my main from now on.
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Bellerre, Tre Bia Land
Youve already had flohovistan
Weve had one, yes. but what about second flohovistan?
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Cadenzana, New Flohovistan
A-yup. Just in time for my annual LOTR marathon.
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg
Just so everyone knows, in case something similar happens to them, you can always bring a nation back from bad decisions or directions. It can take some doing, especially if you have an older nation where the stats are more set in and established. I ended up jumping off two previous "mains" because I got uncomfortable with decisions I made, but I've ridden every issue out on Sylh Alanor and it's worked out really well.
Not saying you have to stick with any particular nation, just that you don't have to abandon a nation (if you like it).
Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Junitaki-Cho, Cadenzana, Namkanda-, New Flohovistan
And of course, there's also the option of having multiple active nations. In terms of game mechanics, a person's WA nation is de facto their main, but I personally enjoy having nations for more than one purpose. I'd love to eventually have a whole bunch, all with their own ideology, but for now all i need is this one and Sobek City.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, New Flohovistan
I play 4 "main" nations, but only this one is in the WA, so it is my "main" in that sense.
I usually don't abandon a nation unless I originally created it as a throwaway, or if it CTE's and I lose interest in it.
I allowed my previous nations to CTE about a year ago, then ended up resurrecting 2 and creating 2 new ones (not in that order nor at once). It took me some time to decide on the theme I wish to establish for each, based on the region I resided it in and how its decision-making turned out. Some focus on high Civil Rights, others are more Authoritarian. One has AI citizenship, another bans Computers.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, New Flohovistan
Why would anyone abandon a nation at all? Even the ones you don't like can be useful for something.
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, New Flohovistan
No one should abandon a nation! Imagine the horror of street nations, abandoned by their owner, rummaging food from trashcan. Who will look for them?
Chacapoya, Feu De Glace, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Michelland, Cadenzana, Ambassador Bele Levy Epies, New Flohovistan
I won't abandon Flohovistan, it's just that this one will become my main.
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Michelland
Talking about that, I just had a "Socialist experiment" in my country because I become a socialist yesterday and today I'm again a capitalist ^^
The whole thing was pretty fun I should say, and now at least my employment rate has grown a lot !
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Namkanda-, New Flohovistan
Post self-deleted by Namkanda-.
The link is on the region page :)
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Namkanda-, New Flohovistan
Yes we do click on refugia in the tabs
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Namkanda-, New Flohovistan
And click on regional discord
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Namkanda-, New Flohovistan
There's only two days left to qualify for the card lottery, so if you're a World Assembly member, make sure to toss an endorsement on Sylh Alanor and you'll be entered into a drawing for some rather expensive and lovely looking cards to bring up your International Artwork stat: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1444682
After this, we'll have a creative works competition, so check back then too.
Chacapoya, Samudera, Narwhal, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Junitaki-Cho, New Flohovistan
heeey how can I change the rights of my civilians and the political rights???
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, New Flohovistan
Answer issues with answers that you think will raise your civil and political freedoms. It will take a long time, but it will happen.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris
Hi, what's this
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, New Flohovistan
What's what? NationStates? or Refugia?
Melenavenia, Feenustias
Forget it xD
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, New Flohovistan
If you want some help learning how to play the game, we'll be happy to provide it.
Also, welcome to Refugia.
Melenavenia
Welcome to Refugia! Feel free to join the World Assembly and endorse our favorite forest deity, Sylh Alanor!
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Cadenzana, New Flohovistan
Hi everyone! Just letting you all know that I'm going to organize another game night this Saturday starting 8:00 PM American Eastern time. At the moment, I'm planning on doing Among Us again. Other suggestions are welcome, though - I doubt it would be fun to play the same game every week. As long as the game is free and can host at least 10 or so players, I'd love to try something new.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, New Flohovistan
Question: How successful have the other games of Among Us been? Since I know a set time I will be setting a reminder on my phone though.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg, New Flohovistan
Due to poor planning on my part, we only got up to 7 players last week. That's why I went ahead and set the time, so people wouldn't miss it. I might formalize the sign-up process a bit more in the future, but for now I'm just announcing it here and letting folks join freely once it starts.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, New Flohovistan
should i skip issues?
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, New Flohovistan
That's up to you! Issues are the only way to affect your stats (and generate cards if you're into that). That being said, there are some issues where you won't like any of the answers. In those cases, I think it's entirely fair to dismiss ^-^
Edit: General Assembly resolutions can also affect your stats if you're a member, but issues are the only way for you to have a direct effect on them.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, New Flohovistan
Welcome Edoth, Sinper, Qwert 1, Namkanda-, Segposyan, Middle Platznia, Random Clicking, Harmonious People, Harmonizes, Real Men Head Boop With Kittens, The Meme Nation, Bikoillbarah, Inner Altoritand, Feenustias, Tlaria, Suparmarket, and Phyto to Refugia! (Wow, so many people! Sorry to anyone I didn't catch, the list cut off because I waited a little too long for a new message.) If you have any questions about how Refugia or Nationstates works, please let us know either in this board or the discord! We have a lot of nice and helpful people in the region, and there's usually someone around who can help out ^-^
If you haven't already, please consider signing up for the World Assembly (on the left sidebar). This lets you become a Member State in Refugia, which gives you access to our beautiful regional map, allows you to vote in our referenda and elections, and even run for office. Or you can just chill and chat with us while answering issues, that's totally cool too. Welcome again <3
Also welcome Cat Grills! I'm really really happy you wanted to move a nation in!
Chacapoya, Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Bellerre, New Flohovistan, Harmonizes, Feenustias
I decided to make Flohovistan my main once more, because I know I can eventually change, and I have six months of this nation.
Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg
I believe in your ability to change, Flohovistan :)
Welcome Northern Argyle <3 I'm so happy you came back.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho
Hello everyone! I look forward to working with you! I just joined Refugia. We're a newly developing nation and need some guidance.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho
Lots of new faces. Welcome, everyone.
The next WA vote is likely going to be on the Water Fluoridation Act:
Proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=scalizagasti_1607437218
Forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=494791
Anyone have any thoughts on this? It's the first GA in a while that I really don't have any issue with. It's pretty well written, the author received and incorporated good feedback, and it's both specific in its targets and broad enough to apply fairly on a nation-by-nation basis. Unless I'm overlooking something, it's a very agreeable measure.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan
Welcome! Everyone here's really nice and helpful, so if you have specific questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Ongmonnif
Hello,
I am a little new to the World Assembly, But I was wondering why many of Refugia have decided to vote against "Commend Praeceps" in the Security Counsel. I am still undecided myself, but from what I read, I wasn't immediately aware why the proposal might warrant a "no" vote.
Chacapoya, Middle Platznia, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
Sorry about that, we actually had a discussion about this in the server yesterday and I was caught off guard with it going up this morning. Normally we would have talked about it in the RMB. To summarise our thoughts from yesterday, there's no ill will toward Praeceps specifically. They seem to be a fine person, though maybe it's a bit early to give them a commendation. In fact, it's telling that most of the responses in the thread talk about how much they like Praeceps as a person instead of anything about the resolution itself.
The issue with the proposal is that it's badly written. The major issue I personally have with it is that one of the points in the commendation seeks to reward Praeceps for the condemnation of the co-author, Noah's Second Country (under a meme nation pseudonym). This is probably the reason Noah's main is not named, and it's instead this joke nation. I just find it kind of distasteful and quid-pro-quo'y to attempt to commend someone because they wrote a resolution for you. That's gross.
Also, there are a lot of pointless memes and jokes in the proposal which are just there to fill space, since there isn't enough there to actually warrant a commendation. I think it's very badly written and can't support it on those grounds.
Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Honeydewitopia, Junitaki-Cho, Tre Bia Land
I do actually think that this is fantastically written and probably one of the best uses of a committee in recent memory.
It looks like there are two requirements for this proposal.
1) requires members to conduct research and sent it to the WA committee.
2) require public drinking water fluoridation if the committee determines it to have positive health effects.
And the rest of the resolution deals with setting up the circumstances of how that conclusion can be reached and what information it's based on. The biggest hurdle of something like this already seems to be accounted for in 4(d), where nations may request financial, technological, or logistical aid where they wouldn't be able to carry out the fluoridation on their own. I can't really find a problem in the way it's constructed to do that.
It might have been a better idea to include a section, possible 6(d) that could have said "no available fluoride in their territory" so member nations aren't functionally required to synthesise fluoride out of the air or otherwise buy it from neighbouring nations. Presumably in such a situation, 4(d) can also accommodate shipments of the stuff. That isn't really a deal-beaker for me though. So I will be voting for this when it's up.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Honeydewitopia, Junitaki-Cho
Clarification: Praetor was not at all involved in the drafting of SC#320, and was even going to oppose it at first (before voting for). That clause is referring to the time Praetor punished Noah for heisting a guild member. Other than the punishment thing (and the co-authorships, LOL), I am unable to see what other jokes are contained within the proposal.
I completely agree with you. However negative perceptions of fluoride + TNP stomp will have this proposal sink. :(
Melenavenia, Flohovistan
I agree with the points on Water Fluoridation Act. I like it a lot- it's one of the best GA resolutions I've seen go up to vote in a while- and I'm going to be voting for it when it comes up.
I don't feel that's particularly clear in the text, then, because I'm not the only one who made that mistake. Regardless, even if it's just a card guild punishment, the quid-pro-quo criticism still stands. It feels a bit obvious when the argument is made through a puppet that's not stated to be Noah.
Melenavenia, Flohovistan
After having checked around my usual places to scan for vote opinions I'm a little bit unnerved by the sort of libertarian conspiracy theories about fluoride that are being used to determine voting positions on this topic.
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Honeydewitopia, Junitaki-Cho
I stand to gain absolutely nothing by being mentioned in this proposal.
Honeydewistania proposed that I coauthor a proposal under "Pineappleistania" long before the idea to commend Praeceps even surfaced. Frankly I don't really see where you see any pointless jokes and memes beyond that one line.
Also, I never asked anyone to condemn me. It's cool but I'm by no means in debt to Westinor or Honeydewistania for writing the resolution.
Anyway, I just happened to see this discussion as you're currently the second-largest delegate to oppose the proposal so I was curious. Have a nice day.
Melenavenia, Michelland, Flohovistan
Heya Refugia. This week's card lottery has just concluded. So here's a quick post with the chat log about these drawings:
[spoiler=Chatlog from the Discord][11:56] Anyway, here's textwall: Okay! So!
[11:56] Anyway, here's textwall: I believe I have some giveaways to do
[11:56] Anyway, here's textwall: And we can use Dot this time, how cool is that
[11:56] Emily: Omg that's right!
[11:56] Emily: That's so exciting
[12:00] Anyway, here's textwall: Okay, so these are the nations that I see endorsing Sylh Alanor at this moment:
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1. Vikoland
2. Melenavenia
3. UwUsberg
4. Nekhuser-Ra
5. Kallictora
6. Michelland
7. The Sul Hom Laks
8. Wankdeed
9. Elenaraghaenaris
10. Junitaki-cho
11. New Filippe
12. Kadrinar
13. Narwhal
14. Fulleristan
15. Chacapoya
16. Floofybit
17. Lura Enim Omnia
18. Duolian
19. Dia Hedera
20. Lambflakitobia
21. Coalition of Aspa
22. Pedesko
23. Dumbasser
24. Lower French Gregballs
25. Laisou
26. The High Commission for Foreign Affairs
27. Baha u allah
28. Cadenzana
29. Skanatavria
30. Charcuterie
31. Guliford
32. The Isle of Raftel
33. Imzhou
34. Neue Wale
35. Feu de Glace
36. Golialdwith
37. Tre Bia Land
38. Nova Nova Hibernia
39. Northern Argyle
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[12:01] Anyway, here's textwall: That's my own form of a pretend embed :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:01] Anyway, here's textwall: Uh let's see
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: Going to do Bears Armed first if that's alright. Is that alright? I think yes.
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: I cast roll 1d39
[12:02] [BOT] Dot: Anyway, here's textwall rolls 35.
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: Wow
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: It's @Sakana!
[12:02] Emily: Saka!
[12:02] Bearamantha: Sakakakaka
[12:02] Natalie: That's good. She could really use the DV boost
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: Saka wins Bears Armed, although I do not think she needed any more wea- yeah lol
[12:02] Emily: Maybe this will get her into the top 1%
[12:02] Anyway, here's textwall: Okay, Saka is now disqualified
[12:03] Mel: :eyes:
[12:03] Anyway, here's textwall:
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1. Vikoland
2. Melenavenia
3. UwUsberg
4. Nekhuser-Ra
5. Kallictora
6. Michelland
7. The Sul Hom Laks
8. Wankdeed
9. Elenaraghaenaris
10. Junitaki-cho
11. New Filippe
12. Kadrinar
13. Narwhal
14. Fulleristan
15. Chacapoya
16. Floofybit
17. Lura Enim Omnia
18. Duolian
19. Dia Hedera
20. Lambflakitobia
21. Coalition of Aspa
22. Pedesko
23. Dumbasser
24. Lower French Gregballs
25. Laisou
26. The High Commission for Foreign Affairs
27. Baha u allah
28. Cadenzana
29. Skanatavria
30. Charcuterie
31. Guliford
32. The Isle of Raftel
33. Imzhou
34. Neue Wale
35. Golialdwith
36. Tre Bia Land
37. Nova Nova Hibernia
38. Northern Argyle
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[12:04] Anyway, here's textwall: Okay next is HELAW: CHOCOLATE GOODNESS
[12:04] Anyway, here's textwall: I cast roll 1d38
[12:04] [BOT] Dot: Anyway, here's textwall rolls 13.
[12:04] Anyway, here's textwall: Samudera!
[12:04] Emily: Samu!
[12:04] Natalie: Samu!
[12:04] Anyway, here's textwall: @Samu, a Narwhal Hi, you won a thing
[12:04] Anyway, here's textwall: Okay Samu is now disqualified
[12:05] Emily: This is a better card for Samu :P
[12:05] Emily: Than the last one he won
[12:05] Mel: Petition to have a narwhal emote
[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall:
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1. Vikoland
2. Melenavenia
3. UwUsberg
4. Nekhuser-Ra
5. Kallictora
6. Michelland
7. The Sul Hom Laks
8. Wankdeed
9. Elenaraghaenaris
10. Junitaki-cho
11. New Filippe
12. Kadrinar
13. Fulleristan
14. Chacapoya
15. Floofybit
16. Lura Enim Omnia
17. Duolian
18. Dia Hedera
19. Lambflakitobia
20. Coalition of Aspa
21. Pedesko
22. Dumbasser
23. Lower French Gregballs
24. Laisou
25. The High Commission for Foreign Affairs
26. Baha u allah
27. Cadenzana
28. Skanatavria
29. Charcuterie
30. Guliford
31. The Isle of Raftel
32. Imzhou
33. Neue Wale
34. Golialdwith
35. Tre Bia Land
36. Nova Nova Hibernia
37. Northern Argyle
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[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall: Finally, the drawing for Drasnia S2
[12:06] Emily: Wait we've moved down the list of highest regional international artwork for everyone who is able to win xD
[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall: I cast roll 1d37
[12:06] [BOT] Dot: Anyway, here's textwall rolls 5.
[12:06] Emily: Wow
[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall: Kallictora
[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall: Who I think actually won last month
[12:06] Emily: Kallictora is a lucky person
[12:06] Emily: Yeah
[12:06] Anyway, here's textwall: Geez Dot
[12:06] Natalie: Wow
[12:07] Anyway, here's textwall: Bad bot
[12:07] [BOT] Dot: HEY!
[12:07] Emily: D:
[12:07] Anyway, here's textwall: It's fine of course. It's technically random. Or at least as random as I know how to make it
[12:07] Emily: Also Dot hasn't chosen Kallictora before lol
[12:07] Anyway, here's textwall: Yeah, it was Bebop
[12:08] Mel: Thank you Dot
[12:08] [BOT] Dot: I'm here to help ^-^
[12:08] Anyway, here's textwall: So yeah, all of those win things.
[12:08] Emily: Congrats to winners :D
[12:08] Anyway, here's textwall: And one week from now, we'll conclude the endotarting competition, which is much less probability oriented.
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Congratulations to Feu De Glace, who won the S2 Bears Armed!
Congratulations to Narwhal, who I assume will prefer the gift on Samudera, who won the S2 Helaw!
And best of all, congratulations to Kallictora, once again. But this time, for winning the legendary S2 Drasnia!
For everyone else who did not win, we're not quite finished yet. Next Saturday is the conclusion of the endotarting competition. The goal is to get out as many endorsements as possible to anyone and everyone in Refugia. The top fifteen people who give out the most endorsements to other WA nations in the region will be gifted at Ral Ixshida, and I strongly suspect we'll be giving them out to the top 20 as well. So get to endorsing your fellow Refugi and you can have one of these cards shipped directly to your nation's door pretty effortlessly.
Chacapoya, Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Bellerre
Congrats to all the winners <3
Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan, Bellerre
For those of you planning to join, Among Us starts in four hours. I'll announce the join code 5 minutes before we start, hope to see a few of you there!
Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Bellerre
I just endorsed everyone.
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg
Hopefully, you'll get most of your endorsements back.
Sylh Alanor, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan
I have written my first factbook! Or, 3vilFish88 wrote it... You might want to keep that name in mind, it'll appear later...
And, yeah, I'm really new here. (This is only my third day on this site in fact.)
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
Our Among Us game night begins in five minutes, join code is YXTRVF
Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
This region seems fun
Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan
It is! It is even funner in the Discord server which is in the region description.
Sylh Alanor, Flohovistan, Inversa
The discord huh? Well might as well join it to see the full experience of this region
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
I like your flag by the way! Seeing how it looks to be an American communist flag is there lore behind it?
Sylh Alanor, Flohovistan, Inversa
Not really I just looked for a flag that seemed moderately Democratic Socialist, untill the file loads for another flag I have planned to use, the current one will remain
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
yo we're playing among us right now, use code YKOWOF if you're interested
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan, Inversa
I'd love to join in but I dont have the storage to install the game sadly
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan
Welcome ^-^ I'm happy you think so highly of us!
Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Inversa
In less then 2 hours my economy went from Basket Case to Implodable
This is fine everything is AOkay
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan
Hey everyone, check your telegrams. I've sent out an important announcement about how regional government polls will be run from here forward!
Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Michelland, Flohovistan, Indimu, Bellerre, Midnight Sky, Ongmonnif, Inversa
*blinks*
I won a thing..?
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Awesomeeee!
*returns to endorsing everyone else*
Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Nova Nova Hibernia, Bellerre, Inversa
I still cannot understand what is the vote about.
Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Flohovistan
Well the one that's going in right now, which is located here: https://vote.calref.network/vote/3
Is about whether or not this passes: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1448932
In that dispatch, you can see the proposal version, the current version, and a marked up version with the changes between the two.
Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Uwusberg, Flohovistan, Junitaki-Cho, Bellerre
Assembled with Dot's Region Saver.
Written by Refuge Isle.