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Thank you to so many of you from Refugia who have signed our petition to ban real life fascists and neo Nazis from NationStates. Nations from Refugia have been by far some of the biggest signers of the petition.

Cheers,

The Langburn Islands

Chacapoya, Whorth, Melenavenia, Araine, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Melenavenia wrote:My boyfriend. He is the best thing I've ever been given in my life.

I like that answer. It's really wholesome

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Ongmonnif

Melenavenia wrote:My boyfriend. He is the best thing I've ever been given in my life.

That is literally the cutest thing ever I love it :D

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Ongmonnif

Welcome Typica, The Pacific National Defense Council, Correro, Polokistan, Aslumland, Cancvr, Republic Of Luisneheil, Insanely Vexed Goblins, and Culonia Saudita to Refugia! I hope you enjoy your stay. If it applies to you pay attention to the rest of this message:

If you have any questions about the region or how NationStates works feel free to leave it here on the RMB! You can also join our Discord server found at the top of the page within our region description. We're all friendly and don't bite!

If you haven't already, consider joining the World Assembly (located on the left sidebar) which will allow you to become a Member State! Member States are able to get a spot on our map (link in the region's description), vote in regional polls, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're not interested in that, that's completely fine! We're a chill laid back community and we aim to make everyone's experience here as wonderful as possible.

Samudera, Typica, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Bellerre, Ongmonnif, Golden Gateway, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Notice:

The candidacy period for Councillor of Foreign Affairs has concluded. I have received only one valid candidate declaration, delivered to me in #ground-floor of the Discord server. By no contest, Pantala And Pyrrhia will be the new Councillor upon conclusion of the current term, on the 14th of February at midnight. In lieu of an election, we shall distribute supplies from the strategic chocolate stockpile.

I would like to thank Sylh Alanor for proving to be a top-tier FA Councillor the last two terms, and for all the vast sums of work that went into building the embassies we have now. I would also like to thank her for building the Foreign Affairs dispatch, so wonderful and informative, which will be passed on to the next Councillor, as well as providing all of the regular FA updates to allies over these last eight and a half months.

I have full confidence that Pantala And Pyrrhia will do a fantastic job and we will all be around to help figure things out.

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The next election will be in five-ish days to elect the Councillor of Culture.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Lethodus, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Indimu wrote:Good morningish Refugia!!

pours tea and sets out some cookies

Hope you all are having a wonderful day!! ^-^

Grabs a cookie, breaks it in two. Gobbles the first half in 2 seconds. Crumbles the other half in his backyard to the great merriemnt of all the pigeons

Oh, What a wonderful day!

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Floofybit, Indimu, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

hello everyone nice to be here

Kraljevstvo Rata, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Vandensia, Araine, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Tovenia, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Lower French Gregballs wrote:Grabs a cookie, breaks it in two. Gobbles the first half in 2 seconds. Crumbles the other half in his backyard to the great merriemnt of all the pigeons

Oh, What a wonderful day!

Aww that is so cute :D that makes me very happy ^-^

The Peoples Country wrote:hello everyone nice to be here

Morning! Welcome to Refugia! \o/

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Ongmonnif

The Peoples Country wrote:hello everyone nice to be here

hello!

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Indimu, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Refuge Isle wrote:-Snip-

Congratulations Pantala And Pyrrhia on your nomination for foreign affairs counselor! I look forward to seeing how Refugia grows under your influence... And it's encouraging to see newer nations running for positions! ^-^

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Pluvie, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Araine wrote:Congratulations Pantala And Pyrrhia on your nomination for foreign affairs counselor! I look forward to seeing how Refugia grows under your influence... And it's encouraging to see newer nations running for positions! ^-^

Thank you so much Araine! I’ll try my best to do well in the new position!

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Free Las Pinas Ii, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Ongmonnif

I highly recommend the Councillor of Interior position. It's a good low-energy, yet still important, Councillor position which will help you prepare yourself for other Councillor positions you may be interested in but don't yet feel qualified or experienced enough for.

I'll be releasing a Councillor of the Interior dispatch before the end of the election for Councillor of Culture.

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Elenaraghaenaris, Pluvie, Araine, Free Las Pinas Ii, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Liphia, Tovenia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

That I remember? Probably cold spray shots. Not fun, do not recommend. If I’m talking pain over time definitely breaking my arm tho. Mostly cuz I walked around school for almost the whole day after I broke it like yeah it just hurts, the fact that I can’t bend my elbow without dying is totally okay. I think I ended up going home when I was trying to write with that arm and every time I moved my fingers it was like searing pain. I think my teachers were like pls go to the hospital my boy. Was anyone else the “Meh I don’t wanna bother anyone” kid? Cuz like that was definitely me

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

I bet it would be the time I bonked the back of my head so hard it had to be stitched up. Not sure because I was young so I don't remember.

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

I have a genetic disorder which is extremely, extremely rare and because of that I have many health issues, one of which being my bladder. I had to get a needle stuck up a... well... unconventional spot that inserted a long tube going far up all the way to my bladder, then filling a balloon inside it with liquid. It was the worst thing imaginable. I would have rather gotten heart surgery again, or had casts on both my legs for 6 weeks again but... it is what it is.

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Pluvie, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif, Tovenia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Probably the times my lungs have collapsed. Genuinely unlike anything I had before experienced, and it has led to mild panic attacks whenever I become short of breath.

Melenavenia, Elenaraghaenaris, Araine, Floofybit, Indimu, Ongmonnif

Welcome The Peoples Country, Los Monos Locos, and Resplendent Devotion to Refugia! I hope you enjoy your stay. If it applies to you pay attention to the rest of this message:

If you have any questions about the region or how NationStates works feel free to leave it here on the RMB! You can also join our Discord server found at the top of the page within our region description. We're all friendly and don't bite!

If you haven't already, consider joining the World Assembly (located on the left sidebar) which will allow you to become a Member State! Member States are able to get a spot on our map (link in the region's description), vote in regional polls, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're not interested in that, that's completely fine! We're a chill laid back community and we aim to make everyone's experience here as wonderful as possible.

Resplendent Devotion, Elenaraghaenaris, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Eh... I would assume it was when I dropped a rock on my finger once and broke it, but I was only a toddler, so I don't remember it, so I can't say for sure.

Elenaraghaenaris, Floofybit

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

When I displaced my collarbone after I had heart surgery. It felt like my whole spine was dislocating whenever I moved my head or arms wrong.

Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

When I displaced my collarbone after I had heart surgery. It felt like my whole spine was dislocating whenever I moved my head or arms wrong.

Melenavenia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Last year I had a toothache from an awful cavity and bacterial infection, that led to headaches, earaches, and more all compounding together. Eating hurt because my teeth kept clacking together. It was hard to even swallow sometimes. I couldn't lie my head down on that side, but lying on the other side also hurt. I couldn't brush my teeth, and I was limited basically to mashed potatoes, applesauce, and yogurt. I was crying, like, daily for a week.

Eventually I got the tooth pulled, and some antibiotics, but Jesus. I never want pain like that again.

Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Probably getting mauled by a dog when I was seven.

In lighter news,

Notice:

Today is the last day to get your endorsements out for the endotarting competition. The top players who have given out the most endorsements will receive a MV 40 legendary card, so toss out some endorsements on people, particularly the delegate, Sylh Alanor, so we can build votes and influence \o/

I shall dispense prizes this time tomorrow.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Pluvie, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Boring answer is probably when I had a tooth that broke and couldn't get a dentist appointment for a week. More exciting answer is probably when I was ten and went down a slide holding a metal pole, which hit the ground before I did and jammed me in the eye. It took a while for them to realise I'd cut my eyelid but somehow my eye was okay, but I still had to wear an eyepatch to school for a few weeks and got made fun of for it.

Kraljevstvo Rata, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Slipping on a rock at the beach which resulted in a deep scar.

Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

I thought about this for a bit to try and remember something but what I could remember wasn't very extraordinary compared to other people's stories...

I was at a pool party with my friends and one of their sisters. The sister tried to push me into the pool and grabbed me from behind so she had the tactical advantage and I tried to grab onto the metal part of the pool screen to help steady myself. Unfortunately for me they had installed chicken wire along the bottom of their screen because they had a young dog who tried to scratch at the screen so I missed the metal part of the screen and instead ripped open my ring finger on my right hand all the way down to the bone. I did NOT get pushed into the pool though, so mission success.

Whorth, Refuge Isle, Araine, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

Today I discovered that empathizing with the enemy will completely get rid of your army. Treason is also common now, apparently.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Welcome Hre-Ball and Uggadugga to Refugia! I hope you enjoy your stay. If it applies to you pay attention to the rest of this message:

If you have any questions about the region or how NationStates works feel free to leave it here on the RMB! You can also join our Discord server found at the top of the page within our region description. We're all friendly and don't bite!

If you haven't already, consider joining the World Assembly (located on the left sidebar) which will allow you to become a Member State! Member States are able to get a spot on our map (link in the region's description), vote in regional polls, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're not interested in that, that's completely fine! We're a chill laid back community and we aim to make everyone's experience here as wonderful as possible.

(I saw your message earlier HRE-ball, this is just my thing)

Whorth, Refuge Isle, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

I made a very important poll.

Lower French Gregballs, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Hello Refugia,

For no reason in particular, I'd like to direct your attention to this poll: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=169492

You can vote from the comfort of your own region, and it's got four days left on it. I'm wondering if we can help make it the most voted-in poll of all time. 👀

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Free Las Pinas Ii, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Refuge Isle wrote:Hello Refugia,

For no reason in particular, I'd like to direct your attention to this poll: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=169492

You can vote from the comfort of your own region, and it's got four days left on it. I'm wondering if we can help make it the most voted-in poll of all time. 👀

Vote fox though.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Wascoitan In Refugia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif

Refuge Isle wrote:Hello Refugia,

For no reason in particular, I'd like to direct your attention to this poll: https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=169492

You can vote from the comfort of your own region, and it's got four days left on it. I'm wondering if we can help make it the most voted-in poll of all time. 👀

Cats may have more votes but since the flaw of two cat votes makes the leading cat vote lower than the fox vote, foxes are winning. Go foxes!

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

I blame Sylh Alanor for the fox takeover from the perfectly extraordinary cats.

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Refuge Isle wrote:I blame Sylh Alanor for the fox takeover from the perfectly extraordinary cats.

Don't worry, my foxes are holding back from voting due to conflict of interest :P

Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Refuge Isle wrote:You can vote from the comfort of your own region, and it's got four days left on it. I'm wondering if we can help make it the most voted-in poll of all time. 👀

What's the standing record?

Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Sylh Alanor wrote:Don't worry, my foxes are holding back from voting due to conflict of interest :P

We need your foxes now, the cats are taking over!!!

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

Even when putting psychological pain aside, nearly drowning sucks. I was sucked out by a riptide, and then pulled under, then thrashed against some rocks. I literally dissociated from my body. Somehow, at the same time, accepting it was the most peaceful thing I've ever felt. It was incredibly odd, and I ended up getting a panic attack later on just because I'd felt a similar degree of peace.

Otherwise, periods (at least for me) are cripplingly painful, and cause me to essentially lose most of my will to live.

So yes, those would be my 2 things. The latter probably wins for being a monthly occurrence, but the former makes a decent story.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Tre Bia Land, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Notice:

Heya folks, the Endotarting competition for this month is at an end. I have promised fifteen S2 Wallenburgs out to the top endorsers for February, and that's what you all shall receive. I've just run the breakdown of everyone's endorsements and here's what the results were:

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67 - Melenavenia (Perfect Score!)

67 - Sylh Alanor (Perfect Score!)

67 - Floofybit (Perfect Score!)

67 - Laisou (Perfect Score!)

67 - Cadenzana (Perfect Score!)

67 - Liphia (Perfect Score!)

67 - Araine (Perfect Score!)

67 - Indimu (Perfect Score!)

67 - Vandensia (Perfect Score!)

65 - Tovenia

64 - Narwhal

64 - Pantala And Pyrrhia

63 - Ongmonnif

62 - Junitaki-Cho

60 - Nerdy Tangent

56 - Elenaraghaenaris

45 - Michelland

37 - Chacapoya

32 - Tre Bia Land

26 - UwUsberg

26 - New Filippe

26 - Ergenstien

26 - Typica

20 - Lambflakitobia

19 - Wankdeed

19 - Coalition of Aspa

18 - Duolian

18 - Golden gateway

17 - Ideotopia

16 - Cidaris

15 - Nottinghaven

11 - Charcuterie

8 - TLSROA

7 - Nekhuser-Ra

7 - Fatholi

6 - Skanatavria

5 - Threnodie

5 - Gamelan

4 - The Vermillion Islands

4 - Atiomia

3 - Kallictora

3 - The Sul Hom Laks

3 - Whorth

2 - Fulleristan

2 - Imzhou

2 - Vikoland

2 - Scottlaine

1 - Of Your mom

1 - The peoples country

1 - United Lunar

1 - The Gaelic People

1 - Woodlam

1 - Sueloc

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Congrats to the winners and thanks a million for supporting the region. We shall doubtlessly do more card giveaways next month for people who help boost our WA presence.

Chacapoya, Samudera, Typica, Melenavenia, Pluvie, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif, Tovenia, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Kraljevstvo Rata wrote:Question of the Day!

What’s the most physically painful thing you've ever experienced?

It was either wisdom tooth surgery, as vomiting and opened mouth wounds do not mix well, or IUD placement. The placement of the IUD was like very bad period cramps but not as bad as my absolute worst period cramps. And it was still that bad after 3 ibuprofen and 2 Tylenol. But there is a vasovagal reflex that happens that for me caused delirium, sweating, light headedness, nauseous, dizziness, and sweating. Did I mention sweating? I sweated so much that I got completely stuck to the medical paper they put down on the table. I was still pealing it off hours later. And that delirium! I loudly told a 70+ year old man in the elevator to never get an IUD because I felt like he owed an explanation to why such a sweaty person was being wheeled out of the hospital. And then I took a five hour nap to avoid the pain.

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Vandensia, Floofybit, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Sorry for not being more on top of things regarding WA duties lately. I haven't been feeling well recently and didn't feel like I could make much of an educated impact on the stuff at vote. Currently, however, there's a proposal titled Right to Secure Digital Communication set to go to vote tomorrow morning.

Proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=greater_cesnica_1612933360

Forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=497160

I'll do a full summary of this tomorrow when I write up an IFV, but the gist of this one is that it's about securing people's right to use encrypted communication methods without state interference. I like the idea and think it's worthwhile. A couple of possible concerns:

- The definition of secure communication methods. I don't like the inclusion of intent here, as it leaves room for an argument that some methods of communication don't set out to protect the data being transmitted and therefore may be impeded by a corrupt state.

- 2(d) only prevents the requirement of backdoors which allow the state to spy, and not a third party. This may be covered by other components of clause 2, but it's a strange omission.

- 2(c). It sounds good until you realize how many methods of communication are inherently insecure. Email isn't secure in most applications. Neither are telephone signals. I suppose this means nations would have to develop secure protocols for all of these in order to continue to use digital communication effectively, and while that's good in the end, it's unclear whether this was the intent of the author.

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Tovenia

Refuge Isle wrote:

63 - Ongmonnif

looks intensely for the four I missed

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou

*swims happily*

never thought we already have sixty-seven WA members, surely refugia have gone a long way

Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Narwhal wrote:*swims happily*

never thought we already have sixty-seven WA members, surely refugia have gone a long way

I looked at your name and remembered the 2009 narwhals song

Narwhal, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou

I miss the old days of youtube where the videos were actually good and not clickbait and junk

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Hre-Ball wrote:I miss the old days of youtube where the videos were actually good and not clickbait and junk

Old youtube was awful tho. I do have a lot of nostalgia for it, but it was awful.

Refuge Isle, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Narwhal wrote:*swims happily*

never thought we already have sixty-seven WA members, surely refugia have gone a long way

Very true. We've been really lucky to have found so many good people.

Narwhal, Sylh Alanor, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou

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Junitaki-Cho wrote:Sorry for not being more on top of things regarding WA duties lately. I haven't been feeling well recently and didn't feel like I could make much of an educated impact on the stuff at vote. Currently, however, there's a proposal titled Right to Secure Digital Communication set to go to vote tomorrow morning.

Proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=greater_cesnica_1612933360

Forum thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=497160

I'll do a full summary of this tomorrow when I write up an IFV, but the gist of this one is that it's about securing people's right to use encrypted communication methods without state interference. I like the idea and think it's worthwhile. A couple of possible concerns:

- The definition of secure communication methods. I don't like the inclusion of intent here, as it leaves room for an argument that some methods of communication don't set out to protect the data being transmitted and therefore may be impeded by a corrupt state.

- 2(d) only prevents the requirement of backdoors which allow the state to spy, and not a third party. This may be covered by other components of clause 2, but it's a strange omission.

- 2(c). It sounds good until you realize how many methods of communication are inherently insecure. Email isn't secure in most applications. Neither are telephone signals. I suppose this means nations would have to develop secure protocols for all of these in order to continue to use digital communication effectively, and while that's good in the end, it's unclear whether this was the intent of the author.

I don't particularly care for the writing and practices of Greater Cesnica, but I will take the time to back up some of these arguments.

For the structure of the definitions, I really think it's poorly done. The definitions are long and winding and include content that functionally should have been in the preamble. This sounds like a nitpick, but really the purpose of a definition is to act like a placeholder text. To explicitly define something that otherwise might be ambiguous. So such definitions should work like a simple replacement of content so that you understand the context of the clause. What does that look like here? Well it basically looks like this

0 wrote:Banning or restricting user access to any {any method which utilizes ciphers to protect the integrity of communications or any other digital data by rendering unencrypted data known as 'plaintext' into an indecipherable form known as 'ciphertext'; which can then only be rendered legible by using a decryption key available to authorized parties, thus denying access to unauthorized parties} method or other secure communication method, and from enacting any prohibitions upon the implementation of {any method which utilizes ciphers to protect the integrity of communications or any other digital data by rendering unencrypted data known as 'plaintext' into an indecipherable form known as 'ciphertext'; which can then only be rendered legible by using a decryption key available to authorized parties, thus denying access to unauthorized parties} methods or secure communication methods, subject to Article 3, or

What a hell.

Anyway

Junitaki-Cho wrote:I don't like the inclusion of intent here, as it leaves room for an argument that some methods of communication don't set out to protect the data being transmitted and therefore may be impeded by a corrupt state.

Agreed. Presumably something intended to protect data (or not) is a sentiment that would be known beforehand, but it does rather depend on it being known beforehand. That may not be possible to determine, even in a good faith interpretation, especially for situations where you could encounter something new.

Junitaki-Cho wrote:2(d) only prevents the requirement of backdoors which allow the state to spy, and not a third party. This may be covered by other components of clause 2, but it's a strange omission.

Yes true, but I don't believe it's that important. Strictly speaking, in order to get around this, you would need to construct a section telling member states they must pass laws to prevent unauthorised third party access to encrypted communications. This concept would likely get pushback from the folks who believe that, for example, a school should be able to intercept everything that passes through their library computers. Or employers intercepting things that happen on office computers. It turns into a larger thing in a hurry.

Possibly this resolution suffers from the lack of a statement saying that a government cannot purchase or legally coerce a third party into giving them intercepted communications, both this and the above comments are perfectly acceptable to have in a separate and complimentary resolution dedicated to them.

Junitaki-Cho wrote: 2(c). It sounds good until you realize how many methods of communication are inherently insecure. Email isn't secure in most applications. Neither are telephone signals. I suppose this means nations would have to develop secure protocols for all of these in order to continue to use digital communication effectively, and while that's good in the end, it's unclear whether this was the intent of the author.

I don't agree with this interpretation. The text reads

"Prohibits member states from ... Requiring the usage of insecure encryption methods, technologies, or standards, or"

This does not mean that using unencrypted data transmission is prohibited. You can continue writing letters, making phone calls and speaking. It means that the government cannot force citizens to use encryption methods which do not effectively accomplish encryption or are intentionally sabotaged. There is a conversation to be had about whether an encryption method that is traditionally considered to be "good" can be insecure if any theoretical situation could be thought of where it were be broken into. But I don't think there's anything wrong with this section as written.

Leaning towards support from me, personally.

Melenavenia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou

Ongmonnif wrote:looks intensely for the four I missed

On discord Refuge Isle posted a link to Endorse The World on the announcements page which helps you find any nations that you didn't endorse in your region.

Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

If you choose black in the poll, no matter your reasoning for it being your favorite color, you are canonically emo in my mind.

Araine, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Liphia

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Laisou wrote:On discord Refuge Isle posted a link to Endorse The World on the announcements page which helps you find any nations that you didn't endorse in your region.

Too bad I don't have discord... (I don't plan on getting it, I'm intent with other things)

Melenavenia wrote:If you choose black in the poll, no matter your reasoning for it being your favorite color, you are canonically emo in my mind.

Well... shoot.

Melenavenia

Ongmonnif wrote:Too bad I don't have discord... (I don't plan on getting it, I'm intent with other things)

Well... shoot.

No worries, the link to TNP's site is here: https://forum.thenorthpacific.org/pages/endorse_world/

You can plug in your nation and Refugia as the region and find who you're missing as of last Major update.

Melenavenia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif

As promised, the Office of Interior Affairs Official Dispatch: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1504721

Lower French Gregballs, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Hey guys! Come on over to the XKI, Owlograd from Europe is serving us all doughnuts! Doughnut party!

Humansanity, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Welcome Eathabax and Pai Sho Lo to Refugia! I hope you enjoy your stay. If it applies to you pay attention to the rest of this message:

If you have any questions about the region or how NationStates works feel free to leave it here on the RMB! You can also join our Discord server found at the top of the page within our region description. We're all friendly and don't bite!

If you haven't already, consider joining the World Assembly (located on the left sidebar) which will allow you to become a Member State! Member States are able to get a spot on our map (link in the region's description), vote in regional polls, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're not interested in that, that's completely fine! We're a chill laid back community and we aim to make everyone's experience here as wonderful as possible.

Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Apologies for not following up this morning. We've been having power issues since last night.

Refuge Isle wrote:I don't agree with this interpretation. The text reads

"Prohibits member states from ... Requiring the usage of insecure encryption methods, technologies, or standards, or"

This does not mean that using unencrypted data transmission is prohibited. You can continue writing letters, making phone calls and speaking. It means that the government cannot force citizens to use encryption methods which do not effectively accomplish encryption or are intentionally sabotaged. There is a conversation to be had about whether an encryption method that is traditionally considered to be "good" can be insecure if any theoretical situation could be thought of where it were be broken into. But I don't think there's anything wrong with this section as written.

I recognize that it doesn't prohibit insecure communications, but it cannot require them. This is an issue when it comes to more mundane government functions - dealing with the IRS or human services office becomes more cumbersome when you can't designate the most common contact methods as the way to go - and for government jobs, which could not compel an employee to use an insecure standard even for low risk daily tasks.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia

Hello all! Thank you for the invitation, this looks nice

Lower French Gregballs, Whorth, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Ongmonnif, Liphia, Tovenia, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Post self-deleted by Hre-Ball.

every citizen in my country has their data tracked from their phones, every citizen is watched by an army of drones, every child is safe and every teen thinks responsibly, every person eats healthily and well if you don't...we can fix that

Whorth, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Atrilia wrote:every citizen in my country has their data tracked from their phones, every citizen is watched by an army of drones, every child is safe and every teen thinks responsibly, every person eats healthily and well if you don't...we can fix that

Interesting

Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Atrilia wrote:every citizen in my country has their data tracked from their phones, every citizen is watched by an army of drones, every child is safe and every teen thinks responsibly, every person eats healthily and well if you don't...we can fix that

Ok Oceania

Eurdrea wrote:Hello all! Thank you for the invitation, this looks nice

Welcome ^-^ it's nice to have you here.

Lower French Gregballs, Melenavenia, Ongmonnif, Tovenia

Hi all, I'm so excited to join Refugia! <3 I think I endorsed all WA members, but if i missed you, please let me know! I can't wait to meet you all!

Lower French Gregballs, Lethodus, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Vandensia, Michelland, Indimu, Ongmonnif, Liphia

Happy Valentine's Day y'all. :3

Lower French Gregballs, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Michelland, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Liphia

Melenavenia wrote:Happy Valentine's Day y'all. :3

Same to you! Love you all! 💗

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Michelland, Floofybit, Liphia

Republic Of Central Darfur wrote:Hi all, I'm so excited to join Refugia! <3 I think I endorsed all WA members, but if i missed you, please let me know! I can't wait to meet you all!

Nice to meet you!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Heya! How is everyone?

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Brencora wrote:Heya! How is everyone?

Hi Brencora. Today is a good day. Welcome to Refugia! How are you?

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Ongmonnif

Tovenia wrote:Hi Brencora. Today is a good day. Welcome to Refugia! How are you?

I'm doing wonderful! The weather is great!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Indimu, Ongmonnif

Welcome Tamils, Eurdrea, Imbault, Republic Of Central Darfur, and Brencora to Refugia! I hope you enjoy your stay. If it applies to you pay attention to the rest of this message:

If you have any questions about the region or how NationStates works feel free to leave it here on the RMB! You can also join our Discord server found at the top of the page within our region description. We're all friendly and don't bite!

If you haven't already, consider joining the World Assembly (located on the left sidebar) which will allow you to become a Member State! Member States are able to get a spot on our map (link in the region's description), vote in regional polls, and even run for office when elections come up! If you're not interested in that, that's completely fine! We're a chill laid back community and we aim to make everyone's experience here as wonderful as possible.

Welcome back from the dead Arabestan!

Chacapoya, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia, Tamils

Notice:

I am now opening candidacy for the Councillor of Culture, whose responsibilities are defined as orchestrating cultural events and developing the identity of the Refugi culture.

This term runs from February 22[sup]nd[/sup] through June 21[sup]st[/sup]. I will accept candidates from now until the end of the day, Tuesday, February 16[sup]th[/sup]. Any Member State may run and no member state is presently barred from running. If interested, you may announce your intentions here in the RMB or in the Discord server in #ground-floor.

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Culture is pretty cool 😊 Better than Interior---

Ongmonnif

Hello, I’m here to officially announce my candidacy for Councillor of Culture.

During my previous tenure as Councillor of Culture, the regional requirement for Eco-Reports was established, and I produced five, which are collected along with two ‘Culture Reports’ here. I plan on posting these regularly, using the wonderful additions that Luca added during her tenure as Councillor of Culture.

Those Refugi present in our discord server may take note of my regular (over the past month) hosting of game nights, playing Tetr.io, Skribbl.io, and Uno together as a group. As Councillor of Culture, I would schedule these more formally as Refugi Game Nights, and post those schedules and links in both the Discord and the RMB so that those gameside Refugi could join in.

I also plan on introducing regular movie or tv nights, where we get together collectively and watch something together while being able to chat with each other. This is a wonderful opportunity for us to get to know our embassy regions better as well, as we’ve already received interest (in my former capacity as Councillor of Foreign Affairs) from XKI to have collaborative movie nights. I'd be happy to work with culture departments in other friendly spaces as well.

Finally, I hope to move some more traffic to our forum, where we have RPs, spam games, and the potential for more personal and private discussions with one another. This could ultimately result in adding new features to CalRef/Refugia, given the interest these things have so far gathered.

In all, my goals for the upcoming term are to bring us closer together as a community, so that we can be better friends to one another and feel like we have others who care about us. And I think it’s highly possible.

-Emily

Chacapoya, Melenavenia, Araine, Wascoitan In Refugia, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Ongmonnif, Liphia, Pantala And Pyrrhia, Tamils

Post self-deleted by Tamils.

Hi, I would like to get a hold of the Discord invite since the one which is on this page seems invalid. I appreciate all your help.

Thanks,

Paul Fabian Raj

Melenavenia, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Tamils wrote:Hi, I would like to get a hold of the Discord invite since the one which is on this page seems invalid. I appreciate all your help.

Thanks,

Paul Fabian Raj

Good evening friend :)

I would check the discord link again. It’s a permanent link and should get you into the server

This is true of any device/account unless you have been previously banned, and if that is true, I would ask and advise you to leave ^-^

Chacapoya, Refuge Isle, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Indimu wrote:Good evening friend :)

I would check the discord link again. It’s a permanent link and should get you into the server

This is true of any device/account unless you have been previously banned, and if that is true, I would ask and advise you to leave ^-^

I just started playing this game couple of days back so I am not sure how I got banned, friend.

Laisou, Ongmonnif

Tamils wrote:I just started playing this game couple of days back so I am not sure how I got banned, friend.

I hadn't said you were banned, only that if the discord link was invalid, it would be because you were banned. If you are not banned, the link should work fine, but it's one of those two things :)

OOPS POSTED WITH THE WRONG NATION! This is Indimu's alt mb

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Pantala And Pyrrhia

Pluvie wrote:I hadn't said you were banned, only that if the discord link was invalid, it would be because you were banned. If you are not banned, the link should work fine, but it's one of those two things :)

OOPS POSTED WITH THE WRONG NATION! This is Indimu's alt mb

What makes you sure it has to be that either of those two situations? Don't you think in the slightest chance there may be an error.

Laisou

Tamils wrote:What makes you sure it has to be that either of those two situations? Don't you think in the slightest chance there may be an error.

It is very unlikely. Discords servers are solid, I haven't known there to be many errors with it, especially with permanent links that have been tested just today. If the link is invalid, you are almost certainly banned. If you're having some other problem like internet connection or smth, that's not something I can help with, but if the link comes up with invalidity, you have almost certainly been banned :)

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Post by Giotya suppressed by Refuge Isle.

Giotya

Was it a mistake that I was supressed in that discord server?

To the nations who have taken this opportunity to brigade this region and its discord server, you are not welcome in my home. I am disappointed that members from NSLeft would participate in a server raid, and I can't say this at all paints your trope in a good light.

I will solicit moderator intervention for nations that attempt to circumvent the bans I have issued.

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Cheesy Tots, Dyllonia, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Free Las Pinas Ii, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Ongmonnif, Liphia, Pantala And Pyrrhia, Republic Of Central Darfur

Post by Hre-Ball suppressed by Indimu.

Hre-Ball

Refuge Isle wrote:To the nations who have taken this opportunity to brigade this region and its discord server, you are not welcome in my home. I am disappointed that members from NSLeft would participate in a server raid, and I can't say this at all paints your trope in a good light.

I will solicit moderator intervention for nations that attempt to circumvent the bans I have issued.

(Forgive my rude mouth) THEM B### DID WHAT?!!!!? THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE I’M WILL F####### SHOVE MY BOOTS UP THEIR STUPID A##!!!!!!!!!!

Hello all! I'm a new member here

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Ongmonnif, Republic Of Central Darfur

Intercontinental States wrote:Hello all! I'm a new member here

Welcome to Refugia! Hope you enjoy your stay!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Intercontinental States

Hre-Ball wrote:-snip-

This is not particularly acceptable or kind behavior. While the invasion may not have been a great move, neither is this. Do not blatantly insult or threaten others, end of story

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Dyllonia, Sylh Alanor, Araine, Floofybit, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Hi Intercontinental States, it's so nice to meet you. I hope you have a great time here in Refugia with us!

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Imbault, Intercontinental States

Hi there Refugia! I am very pleased to be among you! I'm new in here so don't hesitate to give me your best advice to prosper on the website and to be fully involved in the region.

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Araine, Floofybit, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Imbault wrote:Hi there Refugia! I am very pleased to be among you! I'm new in here so don't hesitate to give me your best advice to prosper on the website and to be fully involved in the region.

:O your flag is so cool!! I love it :>

Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif, Imbault

Hello, I'm new here and I'm glad to be here with other people that is here!

I have a problem: the Discord link doesn't work.

I would like some help with that issue.

Thank you all!

Melenavenia, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Tsarovia wrote:Hello, I'm new here and I'm glad to be here with other people that is here!

I have a problem: the Discord link doesn't work.

I would like some help with that issue.

Thank you all!

What is it telling you when you click on it?

Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Sylh Alanor wrote:What is it telling you when you click on it?

It says The invitation is not valid or has expired

Ongmonnif

Intercontinental States wrote:Hello all! I'm a new member here

Welcome!

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Laisou, Ongmonnif, Intercontinental States

Sylh Alanor wrote:Hello, I’m here to officially announce my candidacy for Councillor of Culture.

During my previous tenure as Councillor of Culture, the regional requirement for Eco-Reports was established, and I produced five, which are collected along with two ‘Culture Reports’ here. I plan on posting these regularly, using the wonderful additions that Luca added during her tenure as Councillor of Culture.

Those Refugi present in our discord server may take note of my regular (over the past month) hosting of game nights, playing Tetr.io, Skribbl.io, and Uno together as a group. As Councillor of Culture, I would schedule these more formally as Refugi Game Nights, and post those schedules and links in both the Discord and the RMB so that those gameside Refugi could join in.

I also plan on introducing regular movie or tv nights, where we get together collectively and watch something together while being able to chat with each other. This is a wonderful opportunity for us to get to know our embassy regions better as well, as we’ve already received interest (in my former capacity as Councillor of Foreign Affairs) from XKI to have collaborative movie nights. I'd be happy to work with culture departments in other friendly spaces as well.

Finally, I hope to move some more traffic to our forum, where we have RPs, spam games, and the potential for more personal and private discussions with one another. This could ultimately result in adding new features to CalRef/Refugia, given the interest these things have so far gathered.

In all, my goals for the upcoming term are to bring us closer together as a community, so that we can be better friends to one another and feel like we have others who care about us. And I think it’s highly possible.

-Emily

Accepted

Chacapoya, Sylh Alanor, Junitaki-Cho, Laisou, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif, Liphia

Tsarovia wrote:It says The invitation is not valid or has expired

Good afternoon. I’ll tell you the same thing I told the person yesterday who came into the region in a near identical manner with the exact same problem.

If you are unable to get into the discord, there are two reasons why that would be:

1. You have been banned from the server in the past, in which case I would advise and ask you to leave.

2. A problem on your end in which case I can’t help you, but as far as I know, discord is pretty dang good about invites, so if the message is saying it’s invalid, the answer is all but certainly the first reason.

Chacapoya, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Laisou, Ongmonnif

Cadenzana has started a space program!

I'm genuinely super excited about that!

Chacapoya, Lower French Gregballs, Whorth, Typica, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Pluvie, Free Las Pinas Ii, Floofybit, Ongmonnif, Tovenia, Imbault

Cadenzana wrote:Cadenzana has started a space program!

I'm genuinely super excited about that!

Congrats! To the stars and beyond :D

Lower French Gregballs, Sylh Alanor, Melenavenia, Floofybit, Cadenzana, Ongmonnif

Indimu wrote:Good afternoon. I’ll tell you the same thing I told the person yesterday who came into the region in a near identical manner with the exact same problem.

If you are unable to get into the discord, there are two reasons why that would be:

1. You have been banned from the server in the past, in which case I would advise and ask you to leave.

2. A problem on your end in which case I can’t help you, but as far as I know, discord is pretty dang good about invites, so if the message is saying it’s invalid, the answer is all but certainly the first reason.

I am 100% sure that I haven't got banned, so I didn't get int the server

Melenavenia, Ongmonnif

Tsarovia wrote:I am 100% sure that I haven't got banned, so I didn't get int the server

Hi.

Server owner here. The permanent invite is this: https://discord.gg/AGkGzh6UB3

It is the only invite to the server that exists and someone joined with it one hour ago, so certainly it is working. Telegram me the username you are joining with and I will tell you if the account is presently banned.

Beyond that, I cannot help you. I've heard in the past that some people who have parental controls or have filtered school internet cannot use Discord, but that is obviously not something I can do anything about.

Typica, Melenavenia, Junitaki-Cho, Indimu, Ongmonnif

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