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Liberals aren't leftists

Liberals are neither

D: That sounds rough. I can't imagine being back in classrooms right now.

The meaning of "liberal" depends of where you live : In USA it often means "progressist" which include political liberalism with things like free speech while in Europe it would mean economic liberalism

That sounds like a nightmare. BC has full distance learning for the foreseeable future, which is a definite upside to a reasonable (provincial) government. Also I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with the masks, are you able to use different types of masks instead? I have one that doesn't have to hook over my ears, and I like it.

Yeah, I think our regional aim is a collective of people who are on the left socially speaking, no matter their economic ideas. We can have our personal preferences and thoughts on economics (mine are probably pretty obvious) and the ethics of certain practices, but there's never a reason to ridicule or be short with someone who means well.

God... My school is 100% online, and I can't imagine how other places aren't doing it. Massachusetts USA, my home state is doing really well, and it's kinda sad that other states aren't practicing the level of care that we are.

If it interests anyone, I've compiled a list of Refugia's World Assembly positions in a dispatch.

The list includes all the voting power that we've had since we were founded. If you'd like to add to the voting power, make sure you join the World Assembly and endorse Sylh Alanor

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1434851

This dispatch may destroy your brain if you're on mobile. So, sorry for that, tables really only work on PC.

no. We can't use face shields, or anything else, just these masks that have to go over your face and are very hot.☹️😷🥵🥵 Made by law from Mike Dewine.

To my knowledge, face shields are proven to not work for covid, since they don't actually form a seal against you and just hover in front of your face. The reason I asked about cloth masks in particular is that they tend to breathe better and are either as effective, or very slightly less effective, as the standard surgical masks. I think having a mask mandate in school is extremely wise on the part of your governor though, and I'm happy that you're not being put in danger.

I'm so sorry, that's absolutely terrible and frightening. Is there someone you can complain to? Someone health-educated who will understand that you're higher risk and can help to explain to your parents why being in this environment is bad?

i work in a school for children with additional needs and us teachers arent actually allowed to wear masks, which is quite scary! i feel for u americans (im in the uk), we have it bad enough here but i cant imagine the anxiety given how pervasive it is over there

Cards are just a sub-game in NationStates. The only way they impact your nation is with the international artwork census stat: (https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nice_wee_place/detail=trend/censusid=86)

Some people collect cards because they're about players they know, like Saka, who is a treasure (https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/card=1377098)

Or they have regional collections like this one for Refugia (https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=19667)

And sometimes people collect cards because they're just silly (https://www.nationstates.net/page=deck/collection=16534)

There's lots of different goals people have for cards, and it's basically like a choose your own adventure book about what you want to do with them.

Adding to this, three layer cotton masks where the central layer has electrostatic properties have been shown in multiple studies to be comparable to surgical masks, but other types of cloth have not produced the same results. [https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/36/eabd3083]

Wait, trump is a conservative, get outta here! This place is liberal.

Trump colon 2020

Ah yes, Trump's famous running mate, the :.

Nonetheless, this is a LIBERAL, civil rights oriented region and I would recommend leaving, as your beliefs do not match up with Refugia's morals.

I cannot enforce such rules, but I strongly suggest you leave.

Also, your civil rights are terrible, which is against Refugia.

Whoa whoa, as long as people are pleasant and not actively harming or trolling, they're welcome here. Everyone is capable of growth and change through positive reinforcement and feedback, and so there's no need to be hostile toward anyone :)

Even if we don't see eye to eye on political matters, Calirdels is welcome here until they show themselves to be actively mean or harmful toward other people, or get to a point where they are clearly trolling.

Hello, founder here, so presumably no one knows better what the point of Refugia is than me (at least until I'm legislated to obsolescence)

Having different political views is not banned in Refugia. I don't intend to make an echo-chamber, and I also don't intend to let people get attacked in the name of free speech either. The mental code of conduct we have is that people should be respectful of one another. And as long as that is the case, the administration is fine with its residents. Strictly speaking if people don't get exposed to better points of view, you're not going to change anyone's mind. So have rational discussions when possible, and if it gets too bad I'll get my boots on.

My position is frick the politicans. I don't like any of them. >:(

I live in Canada, but fascism isn't something we're going to have in Refugia, IC or OOC.

There is not a situation regarding fascism at this time.

In the end, it doesn't change that our region is fundamentally left leaning and it always going to support human rights, pro-environmental ideas, and all of our other goals.

As long as I'm here, it will remain that way and it would be surprisingly hard to kick me out. 😜

Trump is a fascist. He's only running as a republican to get votes.

Believe me when I say this, even outside of the US we know who Trump is and what he's about, lol.

That sounds like a conversation you should have with the person who made the mention. There was nothing in the mention that was against the rules.

First off, "freedom of speech" isn't an excuse that works on Nationstates, and outright hate speech or trolling won't have a place in this region, as I stated before.

With that out of the way, here's my approach to the situation. Calirdels has stated that they're in school, and referenced their father before stating political beliefs. I infer from this information that they are young, probably a teenager. Young people often, though not always, pick up their political beliefs through their parents, and these adopted political beliefs can change once that person moves out from under their parents and into their own life. I was certainly a conservative person while in school, because that's what my parents believed and that's all I was exposed to. This is not a unique experience in our community, and plenty of people who were influenced in one direction when they were young grew into a different direction when they were out and experiencing things on their own.

That isn't to patronise or look down on Calirdels, who may believe this whole-heartedly in their own right. If they agree with how Trump has been portrayed to them, that's outside of our concern, as long as they align with our regional values of human rights, environmentalism, and equity for all people. We aren't a US-based region, though a lot of our members live there, and we're not a Canadian-based region, though a lot of our Councillors live there. We're a chill, laid-back, multi-national and multi-cultural place of like-minded individuals who support one another and will engage with one another in a civil manner if topics come up. And if Calirdels is willing to have those discussions with us from time to time, in a civil manner, and approach other opinions with an open mind, they're absolutely welcome here. And, as I said before, if anyone resorts to bullying, hate speech, or outright trolling, that is the point at which we'll move to intervene.

I promise, we can sympathise with your position and understand where you're coming from. The US has been a bit of a horror show in our news to the point where I've tried to stop looking at it as much as possible for my own mental and emotional health. Living there is a totally understandable source of stress.

Those are for the most part better now, fwiw. At least the ones that were covering us in smoke.

Yeah... I live in the Pacific Northwest and was being affected by the fires (specifically the smoke), I was talking about personal experiences as someone who lives close to the area. And yes, earlier in September, things were really bad. Like I said, they're mostly calmed now.

All right. Trump lies like heck. Virtually everything he proposed was a lie. And he's cozying up to RUSSIA! RUSSIA! America hating Russia with every bone of our body is one of the defining factors of our fair country. Trump is friendly with our greatest enemy. That alone should get people to not vote for him.

You're literally arguing with an April Fools Day theme setting from 2005. Please search for an actual opinion.

So your policy goals is based entirely around a label that a candidate has? That's a great indicator that you're in no way affected by anything they do.

I'd agree there, although i consider it more productive to identify the USA as a fascist state. It's understandable to point out powerful fascist individuals like trump, but too many people (mostly white moderates) get caught up with focusing all their energy on trump as a person. it's pretty much a guarantee that the fascist uprising in america will continue, regardless of who wins in november. [sub]also, the republican party is pretty fashy too[/sub]

i don't personally put any faith in him. Like i want trump to lose obviously, so vote blue. But i'm not holding my breath for anything real to change

Psh, yeah I mean what did William Henry Harrison accomplish?

I think most of your presidents have been bad 😅 like maybe you've had a few who weren't, but maybe the US political system isn't good.

Hey, he was a record-setting president!

We had a much more troubled history than you did... But we've had some good ones: JFK, Obama, I can't think of any more...

oof

I consider countries south of the US border Latin America. (Mexico, Central and South America, Carribean) But your point is completely valid, because a lot of people consider Mexico part of North America. And yes, there are problems there worse than the USA. But our problems are just as bad, although they are very different.

As much good FDR did in leading the country out of the Great Depression and through most of WWII, that must be tempered by the fact that he also commited one of the more inhumane actions America has ever undertaken, namely the internment and theft of property of Asian-Americans during the war.

We killed 200,000 innocent civilians during WWII, the Axis powers killed 20 million at least. Most of the 200,000 people we killed were at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I looked it up and between Nagasaki and Hiroshima up to 226,000 people were killed. The lowest number would be 129,000. I'm very certain many enemy nation's citizens were killed by US forces in other ways as well, whether that be from explosive bombing, fire bombing, etc. War is nasty basically.

Yup so true. We consider ourselves the center of the world... we aren't. We are a major player in the game of nations, but we aren't the most important - nobody is, as the politics of the world are ever-changing.

I'm referring to Executive Order 9066, which resulted in ~120,000 people being put into concentration camps due to fear that their race would cause them to attack the United States. 62% of these people were American citizens. Once the war was over, many had no homes to return to and most had lost a majority of their personal possessions.

The bombing of Dresden comes to mind.

And that's one more thing.

Eugenics was popularized in America. Our Jim Crow laws directly inspired the Nuremberg laws, which set the stage for the Holocaust. We had an active Nazi Party in American politics.

While we were better than the Nazi's, we were in no way a bastion of justice and morality.

Hm I wonder what's going on in the RM- 🙈

Honestly, yeah. I got a pretty decent public education by relative standards, and almost all the history was specific to the US or otherwise focused on world events the US ended up being involved in. We never learned about European colonialism or the USSR or the history of international tensions or any other cool stuff unless it somehow tied back to American consequences, and when that's the history you teach a generation or two it's no surprise (and no fault of the kids) that they end up with this view that America has driven the world since 1776.

That sounds like a lot, I hope it wasn't for one course specifically. Also which Europeans in particular? There are a lot of countries there, and I've found that specific sections of any one of them can take up entire terms! We had a rundown of Russian history for the first week of my Soviet Union class, and even that was way rushed (same professor teaches pre-1900 Russian history occasionally and I'm hoping to find an open class for that at some point before I graduate), then the Soviet stuff on its own (1916-1990) was still too much content for a term.